Ed Sheeran: You Either Love Me or Hate Me

Join Alex in the studio for an interview with Ed Sheeran. Ed opens up about his early insecurities and why he thinks people have such strong opinions about him. He also reveals his most embarrassing night out, why he built a pub in his backyard, what some of his most unhinged lyrics mean, and the unexpected item he’s always willing to splurge on. Enjoy!

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Alex Cooper?

  Call Her Daddy is brought to you by American Eagle. Holiday outfits just got way easier. American Eagle's new arrivals are basically everything you need right now. Super soft sweaters, lightweight layers, comfy lounge styles, heritage faves, and low-rise jeans that are very much back in the rotation. Whether you're heading to a holiday thing or just hanging with your people, there's something for every plan. Just don't wait too long. Your new faves won't be around forever. You can check it all out at AE.com or just go to the store. Call Her Daddy is brought to you by Pandora Jewelry. Make their holiday unforgettable with a gift that says it all from Pandora Jewelry.

• 0:43Alex Cooper?

  I feel like the best gifts are always the ones that feel really personal, right? Like, anyone can buy you something nice, but when someone gives you a gift that is actually meaningful, you appreciate it so much more. And that's what I do love about Pandora. They have so many pieces that you can really just make your own, from festive charms to personalized engravings and jewelry that can represent the people and the moments that mean the most to you. So whether you're shopping for your partner or your mom, your best friend, you can find something that really is specific to them. Maybe it's a charm that makes you think of the trip that you guys took together once, or maybe it's an engraving for your anniversary, or just a piece that feels like them the second you see it.

• 1:28Alex Cooper?

  Pandora makes it so easy to give a gift that feels thoughtful and personal and makes every holiday moment even more meaningful and special. Because at the end of the day, the best gifts aren't just about the piece itself, but it's the intention and the story behind them. Say more this holiday season with Pandora. Shop now at pandora.net or visit your closest Pandora store. Call Her Daddy is brought to you by Stouffer's. Let me tell you something. When I am hungry and I am trying to figure out what to eat, sometimes you can just actually become so, you're angry. You're like, I am busy, I'm hungry, I'm getting hangry, I'm getting angry. What can I eat? I need something hot and delicious and

• 2:09Alex Cooper?

  low maintenance. Well, introducing Stouffer's dinners are not only delicious, they're done in a flash. Serve up their classic lasagna, chicken pesto, or carbonara for two. Whatever you're craving, Stouffer's is your hot, delicious, easy meal fantasy. When the clock strikes dinner, think Stouffer's. You can see all the delicious options at Stouffer's.com. Call Her Daddy is brought to you by Ashley. Okay, so whenever I am picking new furniture for my house, or redesigning a room, it is so important to me to make sure that it also is cohesive with the rest of my house and the vibe that I'm feeling. And I think filling your home with beautiful durable pieces from Ashley will help you create a backdrop for growing family's

• 2:54Alex Cooper?

  biggest memories, right? You want your home to feel cozy and you want it to feel like you. And thanks to features like stain resistant performance fabric, even the messiest memories will be easy to clean. So, visit your local store or head to ashley.com to find your style.

• 3:14Alex Cooper?

  What is up Daddy gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy.

• 3:23Alex Cooper?

  Ed Sheeran, welcome to Call Her Daddy.

• 3:24Speaker 01

  Hey.

• 3:25Alex Cooper?

  Okay, wait, I was gonna ask you, a musician never is sitting in the seat at 9 a.m. Like, I've never had a musician. Is that the coffee?

• 3:34Speaker 01

  There we go.

• 3:34Alex Cooper?

  Bring in the coffee.

• 3:35Speaker 01

  Thank you. Um, thank you so much. Thank you. Um, I'm honestly an early riser. Like, I'm an early riser and an early bed timer, but I'd have two very young girls at home. So like, I'm up at 5:30 every morning.

• 3:47Alex Cooper?

  Oh, my God.

• 3:48Speaker 01

  So, um, yeah, I was up, I was up at about 6:30 this morning.

• 3:51Alex Cooper?

  And what time did you go to bed?

• 3:52Speaker 01

  3:30.

• 3:53Alex Cooper?

  Oh, wow. So you could get, like, do you get a little, like, loopy? Like, are you gonna get, like, weird funny? Or are you gonna, like, fall asleep on me?

• 3:59Speaker 01

  Honestly, I have no idea where my body is at the moment. We've been India, China, and then just, and then UK for a bit, and then now in America. So I'm, my, my body is all over the shop at the moment.

• 4:09Alex Cooper?

  Wait, you were in Boston?

• 4:11Speaker 01

  We're in Boston last night, yeah.

• 4:12Alex Cooper?

  That is one of my favorite places ever. I went to college there. So Boston to me is like-

• 4:16Speaker 01

  What college did you go to?

• 4:17Alex Cooper?

  Boston University.

• 4:18Speaker 01

  Amazing.

• 4:18Alex Cooper?

  I spent many nights on bar floors and club floors and-

• 4:24Speaker 01

  So where are you originally from?

• 4:25Alex Cooper?

  Pennsylvania.

• 4:26Speaker 01

  Amazing.

• 4:26Alex Cooper?

  And then I went to school in Boston and I remember being in Boston and be like, this is the greatest fucking place. These bars are epic, the people are epic. Like everyone just goes so fucking hard.

• 4:35Speaker 01

  It definitely feels European. It definitely has like a, a vibe about it that every time I've gone to Boston, like it's always been the first place for me, like the first biggest theatre I played and the first arena I played here and then the first stadium and it's always been, but I guess there's something to do with the uh Irish heritage, I guess that, yeah, but yeah, I love, I love Boston. Last night was fun. We did, it was obviously St Patrick's Day. And um I flew the, the folk band that played with me on Galway Girl, I flew them over and they learned all my songs and we basically did a trad jam of, it was like a set, but it was like with an Irish trad band.

• 5:13Alex Cooper?

  And was that where you were like running on top of the bar singing?

• 5:16Speaker 01

  No, that was in Nashville. That was in Nashville.

• 5:18Alex Cooper?

  Oh, you've been like getting after it?

• 5:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've been around. I kind of, this whole entering into this album campaign, I was just like, I don't want to do anything that I've done before. And for me, all of that sort of stuff is so fun. It like way more fun than like organizing a like proper gig that's ticketed and blah, blah, blah. If you just turn up somewhere and play, you still play the gig, but it's just chaotic and fun.

• 5:40Alex Cooper?

  That's fun though, that you're at a place in your career where you're even interested in doing those type of things. Cause I feel like the bigger people get, they're like, no, I don't need to go do random shit like that.

• 5:49Speaker 01

  No, it's the, that's, I feel like that's when you actually connect with people. I think, I find it so fun. Uh, I like the balance of having all of it, like even when I was on tour in the States last time, but I was doing a theatre on a Friday and then a stadium on a Saturday. And I loved the juxtaposition of the two. And I think being a performer, it, no matter what you do in life, if you do the same thing all the time, eventually it's going to get tiresome, even if it's playing a stadium show the whole time, which is obviously like a really, really amazing thing to do. But it, I, when people, I talk to people about it and they ask about doing these pop up shows to twenty, thirty people. I'm like, you wouldn't eat a burger, breakfast, lunch and dinner every single day. So it's nice having-

• 6:27Alex Cooper?

  Little mix up. We're switching it up.

• 6:29Speaker 01

  I love it. Yeah.

• 6:46Alex Cooper?

  Call Her Daddy is brought to you by SoFi, the everything app for smarter money. If your money is scattered across five different apps you never open, you're not in control. Your money should move you forward. With SoFi, you get award-winning banking, investing, borrowing, and more all in one app. So you finally know where your money is. Make your first move with SoFi Checking and Savings. Competitive APY, no account fees, a bonus when you join with eligible direct deposit. Terms apply. SoFi Bank, N A member FDIC. When you're ready to invest or pay off that debt, everything you need is right there. As a SoFi member, you get access to SoFi Wealth's world-class financial planners to help you know what to do next. Get started today at sofi.com/callherdaddy.

• 7:31Alex Cooper?

  SoFi, get your money right. This is a paid advertisement by SoFi Technologies and is not intended to be financial advice. Daddy gang, did you know the average person has to send out 51 resumes just to try to land a job? It is insane and it's a lot of work, but honestly, I believe that, right? I remember when I got my first job out of college, I literally spent months applying and applying and applying and then applying. And the worst part is you can spend all this time finding the right role, fixing your resume, writing the application, and then you might not even hear back, right? And it is so frustrating because you're like, okay,

• 8:12Alex Cooper?

  I know I would be so great for this job, but how do I actually get them to even notice me? That is where ZipRecruiter comes in, my friends. Okay, ZipRecruiter matches you up with the right job in minutes. And their new feature even lets your application be seen first by employers. You can try it out by going to ziprecruiter.com/daddy. It is such a game. Game changer, guys. When you apply for a job, you can be seen first. Just tell the employer why you're interested in the role and your application jumps to the top of their list. No matter where you are in your career journey, make your application be seen first only on ZipRecruiter.

• 8:53Alex Cooper?

  Try it out now by going to this exclusive web address, ziprecruiter.com/daddy. Again, that's ziprecruiter.com/daddy. Call Her Daddy is brought to you by Stouffer's. Let me tell you something. When I am hungry and I am trying to figure out what to eat, sometimes you can just actually become so, you're angry. You're like, I am busy, I'm hungry, I'm getting hangry, I'm getting angry. What can I eat? I need something hot and delicious and low maintenance. Well, introducing Stouffer's. Dinners are not only delicious, they're done in a flash. Serve up their classic lasagna, chicken pesto, or carbonara for two. Whatever you're craving, Stouffer's is your hot, delicious, easy meal fantasy. When the clock strikes dinner, think Stouffer's.

• 9:38Alex Cooper?

  You can see all the delicious options at stouffers.com. When it comes to beauty and fragrance, I am all about the fearless, unapologetic vibes, and that is exactly what you get in YSL's newest fragrance, Lieb L'Eneu. Lieb L'Eneu is a citrus floral masterpiece, alcohol-free, and completely liberating. It's a fragrance that makes a statement the moment you wear it. I love how it feels fresh, light, yet still bold. It is the perfect balance of feminine and daring, and it's got this incredible staying power and leaves my skin feeling radiant and glowing. It really is the perfect balance of citrus and florals. It's so fresh and sexy.

• 10:23Alex Cooper?

  If you are ready to experience something new, trust me, daddy yang. Lieb L'Eneu, a refreshing twist on the iconic Lieb Ode Parfum. I personally have this fragrance and I will say, my favorite thing, although yes, I love my husband thinking I smell good, there is nothing better when women or your girlfriends compliment you. And every single time I have worn this fragrance, My girlfriends are like, no, what are you wearing? Give it to me right now. That smells so freaking good. And Matt is obsessed with it. I'm always looking for something that has a fresh citrus floral scent, but it needs to still be that perfect balance of not overpowering, but still bold. And this has exactly that.

• 11:06Alex Cooper?

  So Daddy Gang, if you want to try it out, shop now at Sephora. Okay, I want to get your take on some very American things as a Brit. Okay. Rodeos.

• 11:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm down. I like, do you know what I like is, is culture? And I feel like a rodeo is, is culture. I like going to countries and feeling like that's what I, I lived in, I lived in Nashville for a couple of years. I lived in New York for a year. I've lived in LA like on and off and doing things that are so specifically American. If that makes sense, like you go to, whenever I travel the world, I'll try and do things that feel cultural. And I feel like going to a baseball game and having a hot dog feels, for me as a Brit, I'm like, this feels American. I think like a rodeo is that for me. Like getting into the swing of that would be fun. Like I would love, I spoke to my promoter and I was like, do they do tours of rodeos? Cause I'd love to just tour rodeos, even if it's like for four weeks, just do it.

• 12:04Alex Cooper?

  Okay, you living in Nashville at that time or anytime? Have you ever considered doing a country album?

• 12:10Speaker 01

  I think there's, yeah, I guess so, but I, the, from living in Nashville, you can't just like dip your toe in. If I'm going to do it, I have to do it and then that's it.

• 12:21Alex Cooper?

  Do you have like a good twang? Like, could you pull it off?

• 12:23Speaker 01

  I feel, because my heritage is, is sort of Anglo Irish and I grew up with trad music in my household. I think it would have to be a little twinge of that. I think I'd have to bring Irish trad music into country. Cause it's all kind, it's the same instruments anyway. But um, yeah, so I wouldn't have a twang. But I've made, I've made country songs in the past. They've just never come out. I feel like I have to, I have to do it properly, properly. And I think when you transition to country, you can't transition back. Once you're there, you're there.

• 12:54Alex Cooper?

  So maybe you'll do it like your later phase of life.

• 12:57Speaker 01

  Nashville is like my favorite city in in the States and I would, yeah. It's always been like my end goal would be like, I'm gonna move to Nashville and transition to country. But I, yeah, I, I think you just have to do it properly. It's like a, it's a genre you have to really respect. And um, it's not just a dip in and out.

• 13:15Alex Cooper?

  I get it. Um, okay, the Super Bowl.

• 13:18Speaker 01

  I like it.

• 13:19Alex Cooper?

  Have you ever been asked to do the Super Bowl?

• 13:22Speaker 01

  There was a conversation about 10 years ago to go on with someone and I think that would be the only way that I would do it at the moment. I don't think, I've had this conversation before. I don't think English artists are like, I mean, there are some that have the pizzazz of Super Bowl, fireworks, dancers, blah, blah, blah. But me going up there and being like, here's the A team and here's perfect. I just like, no one wants to see that. Whereas if there was a show with a lot of that, like say like, if it was Beyonce's show and she had all the kind of bells and whistles and then there was a moment where we sung perfect together, that makes sense to me. But me, I don't know, I can't, I can't picture myself doing it. Can you picture me doing it?

• 14:02Alex Cooper?

  I, as you're talking, I'm trying to picture it.

• 14:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:05Alex Cooper?

  What, what if it's like a spotlight and?

• 14:08Speaker 01

  For 15 minutes, you know? I would definitely go on and do it with, with someone. I think, I think, yeah, just to do the Super Bowl, but I don't think my uh, set lends itself to that. I don't know. I just, you know, like, you, you got horses for courses. You gotta do what like suits you.

• 14:27Alex Cooper?

  Don't get it twisted. I really appreciate the self-awareness. Like, most people would be like, call me whenever and put me in. You're like, you know, I don't know if I've got that side of the things where I'm like going out and outfit changes.

• 14:41Speaker 01

  I think I could nail one song. I think I could, if someone brings me on, I think I could do it really well for one song. But I can't, I, just my, the, the catalog that I have doesn't really lend itself. Have you seen me play as well? Cause it's with a loop pedal and you have to build the things. It doesn't really lend itself to the Super Bowl. Hey, hang on guys, I've just got to set this up for two minutes. You know, it doesn't really.

• 15:01Alex Cooper?

  And also like you saying like, and I come out and I'm singing like A Team, like everyone just starts sobbing in the audience and it's like getting in their feels.

• 15:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, they just go and get a beer. This is so comfy here.

• 15:11Alex Cooper?

  Are you, isn't this cozy?

• 15:13Speaker 01

  So comfy.

• 15:13Alex Cooper?

  I wanted you to feel like you can really like, you could take off your shoes. You don't have to take off your shoes, but some people take off their shoes.

• 15:18Speaker 01

  They're very clean.

• 15:19Alex Cooper?

  Okay, don't take off your shoes, keep your shoes on. Um, ranch dressing.

• 15:22Speaker 01

  I got really into ranch dressing when I lived in Nashville. Um, and then I got really fat. So I've kind of like eased off the ranch dressing a bit. I'm more of a like balsamic vinegar boy.

• 15:33Alex Cooper?

  Sorry, what?

• 15:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:34Alex Cooper?

  A bell salmon?

• 15:35Speaker 01

  Balsamic vinegar, you've never had that?

• 15:37Alex Cooper?

  Oh, balsamic.

• 15:38Speaker 01

  Oh, right, yeah. I have this in restaurants where I say water and they're like, what? Oh, water, water.

• 15:44Alex Cooper?

  Wait. Say balsamic?

• 15:48Speaker 01

  Balsamic.

• 15:49Alex Cooper?

  Oh my God, I thought you said a.

• 15:50Speaker 01

  A bull Samick.

• 15:51Alex Cooper?

  No, I thought you said a ball sack. No, I thought you said a ball salmon. Then, okay, yeah, yeah. Okay, so you're into your balsamic vinaigrette.

• 16:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:02Alex Cooper?

  Oh, healthy legend.

• 16:03Speaker 01

  We, we have a cider where I'm from in Suffolk that's like, it's like the number one cider in, in the UK. And it's called Asples. And I was saying that to a friend and he was like, y'all have a cider called ass balls?

• 16:17Speaker 01

  You never see it.

• 16:18Alex Cooper?

  It does sound like that, what is it?

• 16:20Speaker 01

  Asples, it's like, uh, it's, well, it's a, it's a cider, it's like a, oh, you guys would call it hard cider.

• 16:25Alex Cooper?

  What is your favorite thing to eat when you're here?

• 16:28Speaker 01

  Chicken wings. But the chicken wings are like the size of my fist. And when you see the chicken wings in England, they're like, you know, actual chicken wings, they're quite like meager and you know, but here it's like you're literally eating steroids.

• 16:42Alex Cooper?

  Because they're pumping them with all of that shit and then we're like eating it and acting like nothing's wrong.

• 16:46Speaker 01

  Chicken wings.

• 16:47Alex Cooper?

  Um, okay, the best American fast food chain in your opinion?

• 16:52Speaker 01

  Five guys, I think everywhere around, around the world, but I'd say when I'm in America, Whataburger in Texas. I think that, that burger bangs the most in terms of all the burgers that I've had, Whataburger bangs. But if there's, it's an American fast food chain around the world. I'd usually go five guys. Oh, I fuck with KFC as well, man. I really like KFC. Yeah.

• 17:14Alex Cooper?

  Wait, have you had In-N-Out?

• 17:16Speaker 01

  Yes, I've had, I've had In-N-Out. I do like In-N-Out. Um, but I feel like there needs to be a wide, wide lens view on a fast food restaurant, and I don't think In-N-Out's chips bang. Sorry, they're fries. I don't think they bang. Whereas KFC actually do the best fries. KFC fries bang.

• 17:33Alex Cooper?

  What?

• 17:34Speaker 01

  They bang.

• 17:35Alex Cooper?

  I've never had, I've never had their fries.

• 17:37Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 17:38Alex Cooper?

  I need to go.

• 17:38Speaker 01

  And I think this about Burger King as well, because I've never really been keen on Burger King's burgers, but their fries are always good.

• 17:43Alex Cooper?

  Oh, their fries are so fucking good.

• 17:45Speaker 01

  But yeah, KFC, KFC fries, um, bucket. I actually, mate, both kids, the night before we stayed at my manager's house, and both my children, the night before, we had a big family bucket. That was like our initiative. Big family bucket and a bottle of Dominus. You know, Dominus, uh, red wine from Napa?

• 18:03Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 18:03Speaker 01

  A really nice wine with a family bucket.

• 18:05Alex Cooper?

  That is like so high-low. You're like eating KFC, and then you're like drinking your nice wine. You're like, this is life. Okay, how do we feel about Disneyland?

• 18:14Speaker 01

  My kids like Disney. We went to Disneyland. They weren't, like, they just weren't fucking with it. And it was sort of like, I wanted, I wanted to sort of see them go, wow, but they were just sort of like, I don't know, yeah.

• 18:28Alex Cooper?

  I think it's, there is no one that's like, that was fine. It's either like, eh, or I'm getting married there.

• 18:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which I think is great. I think it's great. I think, like, I find anything in life, there has to be those extremities. That's what I feel about my music is I either have people that really hate me or really love me. There's no kind of like passive, eh, yes. And I think that middle bit is what you have to avoid, that like, yes, it's, it's all right. Like, you have to be like fanatical about something or like, I don't like that thing.

• 19:00Alex Cooper?

  So you would rather someone be like, fuck Ed Sheeran, rather than be like, he's all right?

• 19:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's been my entire career. And that's how, that's how you have a fanbase is. People really ride for you or they really fucking wanna take you down.

• 19:14Alex Cooper?

  Why do you think people don't like you?

• 19:17Speaker 01

  I don't know. I think that sometimes overexposure goes into it, like songs being on the radio too much. I think also I don't necessarily fit the social norm of what a pop star should look like or act like. And I don't know if that rubs people up the wrong way that I do look like their brother who works at a pizza shop. I feel like people are like, why? Like, why has that happened? And maybe that annoys them. And then you pair that with the overexposure.

• 19:44Alex Cooper?

  Has anyone ever, in the beginning days of your career, tried to convince you, like, wait, let's dress like this and cut your hair like this and do this?

• 19:52Speaker 01

  Totally, yeah. And I think you kind of, I've sort of slipped into that as well, especially because of the the era that I came up in was, you know, Justin Bieber was massive, One Direction were massive. And I think there was always part of me that goes, should I sort of look like that?

• 20:09Alex Cooper?

  What would that have looked like? What would we have done?

• 20:12Speaker 01

  I don't look like that as a, like, it's like dressing a mannequin that just doesn't need to be dressed like that, you know? So I feel like I always have to stay true to like who I am. And also my fanbase, from the beginning, started out kind of misfit-y like me. And my gigs were just full of people that, you know, it was like ripped jeans, baggy, you know, Converse, big shirts, rather than we're getting clammed up to go out to the gig. It might like have segued into that now that the gigs are bigger and people have got older. But I found being a misfit, I attracted misfits.

• 20:45Alex Cooper?

  Yes, I do remember the Tumblr era photos of you and those were cool. I liked that side, but then I get what you're saying. Like, I couldn't have seen you in like a purple leather getup with like a backwards hat and like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's good that you stayed.

• 21:03Speaker 01

  Maybe when I'm up, maybe the Super Bowl, maybe that's when I debut it.

• 21:06Alex Cooper?

  Oh my God, you're gonna come out at the Super Bowl. You're gonna have a full leather getup. And then the year after, you're gonna go right to country music and you're gonna wear a cowboy hat for the rest of your career.

• 21:16Speaker 01

  And actually leather trousers, you could reuse them on both. Because you being a cowboy, you've got to have some leather there, you know?

• 21:24Alex Cooper?

  Do you own any leather trousers?

• 21:26Speaker 01

  Yes. Yeah, because I dressed up as Edward Scissorhands for, um, I did a Christmas, I do a Christmas party every year with my best friends. I'm dressed up as Edward Scissorhands, so I was like full leather.

• 21:36Alex Cooper?

  How did that go?

• 21:37Speaker 01

  Uh, I had to take off the jacket after about 10 minutes because I was like, I am hot. And bear in mind, this is December in England when it's freezing and I was still roasting.

• 21:46Alex Cooper?

  Oh, interesting.

• 21:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, leather trousers aren't, I don't fuck with them.

• 21:50Alex Cooper?

  Okay. Um, can we talk about your home in England? You built a pub?

• 21:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:56Alex Cooper?

  In your garden.

• 21:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:58Alex Cooper?

  Explain how, why, what was the inspiration?

• 22:01Speaker 01

  I think, like, there was a local pub that I would always go to and, uh, I still do go to it, but there's, you can never really let loose the way that you used to be able to as in my teenage years. You know, you go to a pub to blow off steam and I think it sort of turned into everyone always knew that I went to this place. So I don't know, you could never really get to the point where you're actually like blowing off steam and proper drunk because you have to kind of keep an eye out on anything, you know, anything could happen. Um, so there was a dilapidated barn on my land. So I was like, we could just turn it into a pub. So I bought an old pub off eBay, like the kind of, uh, the counter and the whatever.

• 22:43Alex Cooper?

  Off of eBay?

• 22:44Speaker 01

  It was on eBay, yeah. It's on eBay. It was just an old pub that had sort of taken the sort of shelving and counter and stuff. Um, and then I got all the plumbing, wiring, I don't even know the pipes put in. Uh, and it's sort of like, it's a room for memorabilia. I think Cherry was like, eventually there was so much shit in the house that actually just having it all in one place, like even just like meeting this football player and having a shirt signed and having it on the wall. Like it's better having it there than in the bedroom.

• 23:14Alex Cooper?

  Absolutely. She's like, take all of your shit and put it in the pub.

• 23:18Speaker 01

  Basically, I have, because there's like a tunnel to it. Um, and in the tunnel, there's like, I've built like a, a, a listening room and there's a cinema and that's kind of my, I'd say it's less of like a man cave and more of a man catacombs. Um.

• 23:31Alex Cooper?

  I love that for you. Cherry's like, go and be gone and like do your thing.

• 23:37Speaker 01

  Because I collect, um, movie props too. So I've got like all of that. There.

• 23:42Alex Cooper?

  What is your favorite movie prop that you have?

• 23:44Speaker 01

  Uh, I'm a huge Hook fan, so I bought Robin Williams's Pan costume and Rufio's sword. And then Julia Roberts's Tinker Bell costume, so probably those two.

• 23:54Alex Cooper?

  How much? Above six figures?

• 23:57Speaker 01

  No, no, no, not on those, not on those. I have done on props before, like I bought C3PO that was not cheap.

• 24:06Alex Cooper?

  Do you regret it?

• 24:07Speaker 01

  No. I do it every birthday. I'll just buy one prop a year and for my birthday, it's like, it's like the thing that I look forward to. I think all year, what am I gonna get? There's always a movie prop auction around that time. And yeah, I choose one thing and.

• 24:20Alex Cooper?

  Is there anything out there that you're like, I've got my eye on this?

• 24:24Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, cause the auction's coming up. I'm trying to get the George Clooney Batman costume. Cause everyone doesn't like the Batman and Robin film, but that was my first Batman film that I saw. So I have a real like, um, draw to that movie. I bought the, um, Alyssa Silverstone, uh, Batwoman costume from that. So it would be like a matching.

• 24:43Alex Cooper?

  Wait, so are you going to these auctions?

• 24:45Speaker 01

  It's online. It's online.

• 24:47Alex Cooper?

  You're like an eBay guy, huh?

• 24:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I spend a lot of time in hotel rooms. My main, my main hobby outside of music is movies. That's like the, the only, I do like, I do music and when I'm not doing music, cause I'm, it's shows and studio and I do that pretty much like 95% of the time when I'm not like doing home family stuff. And then if I've got spare moments, I watch movies. So it's, those are like my two passions.

• 25:11Alex Cooper?

  What are your top three movies?

• 25:13Speaker 01

  Uh, Goodfellas, Cool Runnings, and this, this would be like, I don't know if everyone would see this, but, uh, I've watched, to watch every single year. I think Love Actually is a masterpiece. Every single year I watch that and every single year I'm not tired of it. And those three films I could watch anytime, anyplace. Good for, I'm reading Goodfellas again at the, the moment. That movie just, I can't ever tire of it. Cool Runnings, I can't ever.

• 25:37Alex Cooper?

  I've never seen Cool Runnings.

• 25:38Speaker 01

  Oh, Cool Runnings is, it's a phenomenal film. It's really, really worth watching. It's kind of humorous, heartwarming. It's not like the Hollywood ending where. I'm not gonna ruin it for you, but it's like, it's a really, really perfect movie.

• 25:51Alex Cooper?

  Now I gotta watch it. No spoilers. Um, okay. So we're going for the Batman costume.

• 25:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm glad. This isn't gonna come out within the next two weeks, is it?

• 25:59Alex Cooper?

  Oh, cuz you wanna make sure you get it?

• 26:01Speaker 01

  I wanna make sure I get it, yeah.

• 26:02Alex Cooper?

  Can you give me a ballpark of how much you're willing to spend?

• 26:08Speaker 01

  I would go up to six figures for it, I think.

• 26:10Alex Cooper?

  Ed.

• 26:10Speaker 01

  That's like history, though. It's history. It's like, you know, someone bought the, um, uh, um, red slippers, Dorothy's red slippers, but they spent like, I think they spent like 25 mil on them.

• 26:22Alex Cooper?

  Do you wish you had gotten those?

• 26:24Speaker 01

  I have never seen The Wizard of Oz. Yeah, it's on my list, but as soon as I had kids, there were certain films that I was planning on seeing. I was like, I'll just wait to watch them with my kids. But yeah, I've never, never seen The Wizard of Oz.

• 26:36Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, get ready. It's, it's a great one, but look at you. You're like ashamed.

• 26:41Speaker 01

  I'm kind of ashamed about it, yeah.

• 26:42Alex Cooper?

  You're allowed to say it. No one can come for you. You, you are a movie person. You've been busy. You're watching other things that hasn't been top priority. Um, does your pub have a name?

• 26:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's called The Lancaster Look. It's basically my mom's maiden name and my wife's mom's maiden name cuz they both, um, yeah, I think I wanted to sort of immortalize their maiden names. I feel like even more getting married and having daughters. It's sort of like, I wanna preserve. It's kind of weird, like the old tradition of taking names away and having names there. You know, our daughters have both of our last names and I sort of wanted to preserve my mom's maiden name and my wife's mom's maiden name in something that was permanent.

• 27:27Alex Cooper?

  That is the, like, for women around the world listening, everyone's gonna be like, yeah, he's a really great guy. Because do you know how many men and their, like, toxic masculinity can't handle the concept of like, what do you mean you're not gonna take my last name? Or what do you mean you're not?

• 27:43Speaker 01

  That's how I grew up, though. Cuz that, that's the only thing that I knew. Like, my mom had my dad's name and, you know, I come from a very large Irish Catholic family. Sheeran was the, the name. And I think it wasn't until getting married and having daughters where you're. Perception of it shifts. You I think you have to like, you can't just be born and just believe things. You have to kind of experience and be brought over. And now I very, very much believe that that should be the case, that you you should obviously keep both identities when you have children.

• 28:13Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, I think that's beautiful. Um, sorry, I'm obsessed with this pub idea. Um, can you explain to me how many people like, are you throwing ragers in this thing?

• 28:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. But I think if you're throwing a rager, it should be like five people. I think that's like, or like 12, five to 12 people is a really good night. I do, we built a chapel on our, on our land and we do like Christmas carols there. And then after the Christmas carols, everyone comes in for like mulled wine and mince pies and stuff. That's like, we can hold 40 or 50 people, but it's like a crammed space in that.

• 28:48Alex Cooper?

  Wait, you're not singing Christmas carols all year round, just you're talking about.

• 28:52Speaker 01

  At Christmas, yeah.

• 28:53Alex Cooper?

  Okay. I thought you were gonna say, no, every week we're doing Christmas, or are you?

• 28:57Speaker 01

  No, we do. I do you know, it's I, I know it sounds weird to like, sort of build an infrastructure on your property where you don't have to leave it, but I feel like so much that I want, there's certain moments you just want to spend with your family and not have someone filming you while you're doing it, especially like whether it's something like that at Christmas, or whether it's a memorial or so. There's just certain like intimate moments you want to have like that.

• 29:23Alex Cooper?

  I don't think it sounds weird at all. I actually, it's refreshing to hear you're like, in a beautiful way, not that you can't complain about it, but you're like, I'm just gonna take matters into my own hands. And I now have the resources and the funds that I'm gonna like build this thing so that I can like go to my pub and I can go to the chapel.

• 29:40Speaker 01

  But I I let other people enjoy, like my security guy got married in my chapel and that was like really lovely, really, really lovely. So the chapel is like, it's there.

• 29:49Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, like sign up if you want to get married and Ed will let you come by. Um, which celebrity would you like to invite to the garden pub?

• 29:58Speaker 01

  Uh, I had a glimpse of what a night with Post Malone would be like with, um, we hung out in New York at Global Citizen Festival. I actually bought him a, um. I found this company that do the huge vinyl dinosaurs that you get at zoos. You know, the ones that are like the size of buildings.

• 30:16Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 30:17Speaker 01

  So I've sent him a T-Rex because we were sort of joking about it. And he was just like, yeah, yeah, send me one whenever I live here. And, uh, and it's done and it's going to arrive and he's going to get this fucking huge T-Rex that is just gonna. And I've only met him once, so he's just gonna be like, what the fuck? But I feel like because I hung out with him for that amount of time and I can sense the kind of person he is. Think he's going to appreciate it, but I think he would be the hang. I'd want, I'd want a couple of days hang with him.

• 30:44Alex Cooper?

  No, Post Malone is like one of those people that when you're in a room with him, even if you're in a room for, with him for like a couple minutes, you're immediately like, I need nineteen more hours with you. This isn't enough.

• 30:55Speaker 01

  He's a really sweet guy, really sweet guy.

• 30:57Alex Cooper?

  He is. What is the most embarrassing thing you can recall of just like a drunken night, whether you're with your friends or you're out?

• 31:06Speaker 01

  I've never said this publicly, but I'm going to say it. I was playing a city in Europe, this is like twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen. And my best mate was out with his mum and his, his sister. And we sort of started drinking espresso, not espresso, what are they called, cafe Patron?

• 31:22Alex Cooper?

  Oh, yeah.

• 31:22Speaker 01

  And then I went to bed and, uh, I got up in the middle of the night to have a pee. Uh, and I was sleeping naked and I walked out, uh, to have a pee. And then I hear a door close and I open my eyes and I'm in the corridor, naked, no key. It's like four AM and I'm like, oh my God, what am I gonna do? And I'm kind of looking around and as I look around, it's like CCTV, CCTV. And I'm like, ooh, this is not good. And, uh, there was like room service, someone had had room service and I went to go and get the, uh, napkin and I put the napkin on, clicked, uh, the lift, went down to the lobby. Bear in mind, it's like four AM, there's like people working in the hotel and I'll just kind of walk with this thing. And I was like, please can you let me back in my room? And please, can you not tell anyone about this?

• 32:07Speaker 01

  And my security guard went to go and wipe all the, um, CCTV. Well, he told me he wiped it, he might have, might have kept it for blackmail later on down the line, but yeah.

• 32:15Alex Cooper?

  Ed?

• 32:17Speaker 01

  I think that's the most embarrassing thing that I've ever done.

• 32:19Alex Cooper?

  What was the reaction of the people standing at the front desk?

• 32:22Speaker 01

  It was very much sort of like, you could see their eyes widen and be like, you're, and me going, please, just don't ask. Don't tell anyone.

• 32:32Alex Cooper?

  Just the thought of also like you walking down in four a.m. Those people are probably like so not paying attention to what's going on. They're like half asleep and then just like Ed Sheeran walks into the lobby naked.

• 32:43Speaker 01

  Holding a napkin. Yeah, yeah.

• 32:47Alex Cooper?

  Did you wake up in the morning and like fully comprehend what you did?

• 32:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:52Alex Cooper?

  Did you go back to bed easily?

• 32:53Speaker 01

  I went back to bed. Yeah. Cause I was like, nothing's going to change the fact that that just happened, you know? I messaged my security guard and I was like, please can you work the footage?

• 33:01Alex Cooper?

  It's so.

• 33:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was sort of like, nothing's going to change. And also like, it's a very human mistake.

• 33:05Alex Cooper?

  Oh, yeah, for sure. For sure. So casual. Everyone's done that, right? No.

• 33:09Speaker 01

  Everyone could do that, though.

• 33:10Alex Cooper?

  True. Very true.

• 33:13Speaker 01

  I definitely, I then bought pajamas and I started sleeping in pajamas.

• 33:16Alex Cooper?

  Every time you're on the road, you're like, put something on my body.

• 33:19Speaker 01

  Well, I don't, you know what? I'm sober at the moment. So that's definitely like helping the not doing stupid shit.

• 33:25Alex Cooper?

  How is that going?

• 33:26Speaker 01

  Good. I just, you know, I saw the schedule for this year of album release and I was like, cause I'm, I'm basically, I'm flying all around the world and then flying home and being dad as well. And I'm like, I don't wanna, I don't wanna then add on an extra layer of tiredness on that. So I'm just gonna not drink and be very focused and energized, I guess.

• 33:47Alex Cooper?

  That's amazing. I feel like that is a underrated thing that when you're going so hard with work, that you think that you need like a drink at the end of the night to relax you. But then I've been feeling it recently where I'm like, I just wake up feeling like fucking shit. Like, there's gotta be a different way to relax.

• 34:05Speaker 01

  So I get, I get in and I'll put on a movie and actually that sort of does the job. Cause you kind of relax into the movie. And then by the end of it, you can just go to sleep rather than being, cause I also have fun when you drink, you don't really have a proper sleep anyway. Cause there's so much sugar in your body.

• 34:18Alex Cooper?

  I have the worst sleeps. And even if you have like one drink, it still is affecting you. Okay. Maybe, maybe that's in my future. We'll see.

• 34:26Speaker 01

  I'm not gonna be sober for forever, but I've definitely changed my relationship with alcohol. Cause I used to drink every single day, every single day. Not like, I'm not a spirits guy and I'm not really, I kind of do beer a little bit, but I'm more of like a wine guy at the end of the day. But now. Now I'm not doing that. Me and my wife do date night once a week and I feel like that'll be the time when I do start drinking to, we'll do a bottle of wine together that night rather than like every single night having to have something.

• 34:51Alex Cooper?

  I love that for you.

• 35:08Alex Cooper?

  Call Her Daddy is brought to you by SoFi, the everything app for smarter money. If your money is scattered across five different apps you never open, you're not in control. Your money should move you forward. With SoFi, you get award-winning banking, investing, borrowing, and more all in one app. So you finally know where your money is. Make your first move with SoFi checking and savings. Competitive APY, no account fees, a bonus when you join with eligible direct deposit. Terms apply. SoFi Bank NA Member FDIC. When you're ready to invest or pay off that debt, everything you need is right there. As a SoFi member, you get access to SoFi Wealth's world-class financial planners to help you know what to do next. Get started today at sofi.com/callherdaddy.

• 35:53Alex Cooper?

  SoFi, get your money right. This is a paid advertisement by SoFi Technologies and is not intended to be financial advice. Call Her Daddy is brought to you by Stouffer's. Let me tell you something. When I am hungry and I am trying to figure out what to eat, sometimes you can just actually become so. You're angry. You're like, I am busy, I'm hungry, I'm getting hangry, I'm getting angry. What can I eat? I need something hot and delicious and low maintenance. Well, introducing Stouffer's. Dinners are not only delicious, they're done in a flash. Serve up their classic lasagna, chicken pesto, or carbonara for two. Whatever you're craving, Stouffer's is your hot, delicious, easy meal fantasy. When the clock

• 36:35Alex Cooper?

  strikes dinner, think Stouffer's. You can see all the delicious options at stouffer's.com. I do want to know, what do you think is the biggest misconception about you?

• 36:46Speaker 01

  I don't really know because I feel like all the misconceptions that are about me, people don't, they're people that don't know me. So I think that there's lots of things flying about the internet. There's rumors that also like- Really gather steam because I think that people want to believe them. There's all these things that like come out and unless I actually come out and go, these things didn't actually happen. People just run with it because I think they like, they, people love negative stories like that. And um, yeah, I think that uh, there's just, I think being in the public eye, there's just always, always a lot of misconceptions about you. But I think unless someone actually knows me

• 37:28Speaker 01

  as a person, they can't pass judgment on who I am.

• 37:32Alex Cooper?

  Do you think you handle being in the public eye well?

• 37:34Speaker 01

  I, this has been my life since I was 19. So I think that the first five years, six years of my life, no. Um, I really didn't and I really struggled with it. Uh, relationships wise, not just romantic, but just relationships in my life, friendships, family, ev- everything like it, just everything shifted. And I know people go, um, you know, when someone becomes famous, they've changed, they're this, but genuinely I didn't for the first three years. I was, I was exactly the same person and everyone around me changed, just in their way of treating me or acting or talking or like leaking things or doing this or doing this. And then, and then you start changing and you become a paranoid fucker and then it all starts sort of like shifting. So I think at the

• 38:16Speaker 01

  beginning, it's that transitional period where you're just trying to work out how, who you are and whether I am my stage name and that's me the whole time and I'm pop star and I'm, I'm this, or whether there's like two human beings and I can be, uh, you know, a son to my mum without having to be a pop star or like a husband without having to be a pop star and then sort of like separating the two. And I think over the last, since COVID really, being at home and separating the two and knowing that it's quite, it's a really, really fun job, uh, to dip into, you know, it's really fun. It's really fun to be a pop star for the night and go to the Grammys and sort of be like, wow, look at everyone. But then it's important to be able to go home and be.

• 39:00Speaker 01

  Like a regular human being. And I think that's why I don't live in Los Angeles. Cause I don't think I'd ever switch off. I think I'd always just be pop star.

• 39:08Alex Cooper?

  I think that makes sense. I think it's healthy for you to have like a good balance. Like you're talking about being like, I can go work nine to three and then I go home and I'm like with my daughters and my wife. And I'm having like a pretty normal life and then I'm going to the pub in my backyard and then we're going to the lake. And then we're going to the chapel and it was a full day and it was like, but I think you have to create that world for yourself. Because you're right. If you do just keep working, then you are just like Ed Sheeran where people are thinking you're just like this pop star. And you're mega famous and you're so rich. And then it gets to people's heads and it's like, you need to have some semblance of normalcy.

• 39:41Speaker 01

  And honestly, Cherry is the biggest grounding force. Like anytime that anything is a little bit like, a little bit too Hollywood. She's like, bro, go on. It's, and it's really, and especially because I grew up with her. There's, there's always just a, a lens of Suffolk over it of just like, come on, man. Like I tried to build a bowling alley in our, in our backyard and she was just like, come on, man. You don't, you don't need that.

• 40:08Alex Cooper?

  She's like, the chapel and the pub are enough. Are you good at bowling?

• 40:12Speaker 01

  Not really.

• 40:15Alex Cooper?

  Do you like bowling?

• 40:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:17Alex Cooper?

  Okay, yeah, yeah.

• 40:18Speaker 01

  Everyone likes bowling.

• 40:19Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 40:20Speaker 01

  I think I'll become good at bowling. I think as long as it's not on the property, I think she's, she's, I think she just wants to, she doesn't want our kids growing up and it being like, you know, the Richie Rich house where there's literally McDonald's in them. Have you seen Richie Rich?

• 40:32Alex Cooper?

  Yes, but like so long ago.

• 40:34Speaker 01

  Classic. Macaulay Culkin.

• 40:36Alex Cooper?

  You should do something with like movies. I didn't realize you were this into movies.

• 40:41Speaker 01

  I mean, I've got a letterbox. No one knows I have a letterbox, but I do have a letterbox.

• 40:45Alex Cooper?

  Wait.

• 40:47Alex Cooper?

  Explain?

• 40:48Speaker 01

  Well, I just review movies online for myself, just to log them, just to see what I've, I've watched. I have no followers on it. Like it's literally, I've just logged the films I watch.

• 40:58Alex Cooper?

  Ed, wait. What?

• 41:01Speaker 01

  No one reads it though. It's just for me to like log it.

• 41:04Alex Cooper?

  Wait, why wouldn't you let it be public?

• 41:06Speaker 01

  It is public.

• 41:07Alex Cooper?

  But no one knows it's you. What's your username?

• 41:09Speaker 01

  I guess they'll find out now. I think it's more fun for people to find it. People, I watched Gladiator 2 and there's a character in it who's like the really crazy emperor that has syphilis.

• 41:21Alex Cooper?

  Oh my god, yes.

• 41:22Speaker 01

  Apparently based on me. So that is my profile picture. Is that emperor?

• 41:27Alex Cooper?

  Wait, what?

• 41:28Speaker 01

  I saw an interview with him where he's like Ridley Scott based his character on me. I don't know if I'm offenders, you know? Or very complimented. Thank you very much Ridley. Where's my call?

• 41:39Alex Cooper?

  Cause as a moviegoer, you're like, oh my god, like they're basing something on me. But then that character is like.

• 41:45Speaker 01

  Character was pretty, yeah, obscene.

• 41:48Alex Cooper?

  Kind of fucking crazy. Okay, wait, would your username, would we be able to find you?

• 41:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:54Alex Cooper?

  What is it? Like Ed Sheeran?

• 41:55Speaker 01

  No, it's like, it's similar to my Instagram. It's like Teddy, I think, or maybe it's Ted's. It's Ted or Teddy something.

• 42:02Alex Cooper?

  Oh, I'm going to look it up.

• 42:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:03Alex Cooper?

  Start Googling. What is something embarrassing that you used to care about? Like growing up when you were younger or in your like, um, early teens that you don't really care about anymore?

• 42:17Speaker 01

  I think it would be like, the older that I've got in the music industry, I think that, um, the first like five years of my career, everything worked and went well. And then the first like song that didn't work or like flopped, you, that was like a real like learning curve for me. Um, and I think the older I get, the more I'm like, those moments are gonna happen, but it's about the kind of overall catalog that you're building. And, um, I think my rule has just always been make music that I can stand behind. Sometimes it will work and sometimes it won't, but as long as I like it, that's kind of all that matters. And yeah, I think I used to be quite embarrassed about that when I was like 24, 25.

• 43:01Speaker 01

  Cause obviously like it's never fun putting a load of, uh, work into something that, and then you put it out there on the line and you're like, this has to work. And then when it doesn't, I think at the time there was like a transitional. Period of me sort of living with that. And now I think that I it's kind of like what I'm saying about like these pop ups and stuff like that. Like my rule for everything now is I just have to really enjoy it. And then the success or not success kind of comes secondary to that.

• 43:30Alex Cooper?

  I think that's beautiful because I feel like also as a creative, you have to know that sometimes you don't need extreme success to enjoy what you're doing. Because sometimes as long as you actually really believed in it.

• 43:44Speaker 01

  Well, that's the whole point. That's why we get into it, isn't it? That's the whole, that's the whole point of it. And I think that um also it's about like realistic expectations. I think that my second and third record and first to a point, but second and third record was so big that it's, you know, aiming for that every single time is just not realistic. And they both happened kind of by accident. It just clicked. And so it's just something will click, something won't click, something will click. Like there's so many songs in my career that I didn't expect to do well, that ended up becoming massive over time. That it's again, just make shit you like, put it out. You have to give it the best opportunity as well. You have to work every single song the same as you worked all the other songs and it's done. The rest follows.

• 44:29Alex Cooper?

  What is the song that surprised you the most that popped off that you were like, what the actual fuck?

• 44:35Speaker 01

  I put out a song called Afterglow that charted at like 92. And it was the first time anything that I put out within that that 10 year period had charted outside the top 10. And I remember being like, oh, oh my God. And then over time it climbed to number two and ended up having it's almost like half a billion streams now. But it's such a like, it's such a learning curve of just like, sometimes you've just got to let things sit and then they find their audience. Um, and I closed my set with that now. It's like a really important song within my setlist. But I remember that week being like, oh my God.

• 45:12Alex Cooper?

  Why? Because did you not love it as much?

• 45:14Speaker 01

  No, I loved it. It's just like going, when I just saw it going at 92, I was like, oh, maybe I'm wrong.

• 45:21Alex Cooper?

  That's a nice feeling though, right?

• 45:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, definitely.

• 45:24Alex Cooper?

  Let's talk about your tattoos. Do you have any, like, what do you think of all of your tattoos? What has the best story behind it for you?

• 45:31Speaker 01

  They've all got stories, really. I think my left arm is my first five years of my career. My right arm is kind of the next five years. And then I got my chest and back done. And my back is kind of the most recent one. I like my, I got my kids' footprints like the week that they were born. So I quite, I quite like that because they're tiny and obviously they're a lot bigger now. Um, my legs have actually started being my kids' drawing books. So my daughter's just done a little bunny rabbit for my leg and you can put like the date of it. It's quite nice seeing it.

• 46:01Alex Cooper?

  Wait, does she come up to you and be like, dad, get this as a tattoo? Or are you like going and looking at their drawings and be like, genius?

• 46:08Speaker 01

  And going sort of that, yeah, sort of that. Now she's like, she'll draw something and be like, get it as a tattoo. But, um, yeah, I think I'm gonna get one each for each of them every year.

• 46:18Alex Cooper?

  Is there ever a tattoo you've wanted to remove?

• 46:20Speaker 01

  I think if I was to remove one, I'd remove all of them. I think that I kind of believe that about tattoos is you're either a tattoo person or you're not. And I, yeah, I think if I was gonna remove, I'd go completely nothing. Or, because I kind of see it as one tattoo. It's like one long story. Yeah.

• 46:36Alex Cooper?

  Beautiful. Um, okay, you and Taylor Swift have been friends for decades. I'm a big Swiftie. What has been your favorite memory together?

• 46:44Speaker 01

  That's a good one. Um, do you know what? I, I have this, uh, I was in these court cases for like two years. Well, there, I mean, a lot longer than two years, but there was one each year and I had to go through all my old devices to give them like, you know, voice notes and blah, blah, blah for the lawyers to have. And going through all my old texts with people that... I've known for that for that long. It was really like nostalgic going through. And I think that the period of time that I was on the red tour would have been, you know, I lived in Nashville and she lived in Nashville and we used to fly to and from the gigs together and do all sort of, I don't know, I literally spent almost every single day with her for about six months. So I think

• 47:26Speaker 01

  that period of time. And I do, you know, I see her when I see her, I probably see her like four times a year and we do what what I said, like, instead of catching up the whole time, we have like proper sit down, six hour catch ups. And I think that that's like, a really nice way to to do it. But I think that period, yeah, 2013.

• 47:45Alex Cooper?

  It's beautiful. Um, okay. Which of your love songs is your wife's favorite?

• 47:51Speaker 01

  Oh, uh, it's actually track 13. It's the last track on this new record and it wasn't, it was meant to be a 12 track album. And there was this song that from the beginning of writing it, she was obsessed with. And she kept being like, is it on their album? Is it on the album? And I was just like, I played it to lots of people and it didn't have the same reaction as as everything else. And in the end, I just gifted it to her and I just went, I'm just gonna put this on just for you. And you can, you can name it what you want to name it. And like, yeah, so so that I think is her favorite. And yeah, it just exists because of her, basically.

• 48:24Alex Cooper?

  Wait, that's so sweet. Wow, that's so nice to just be like, yeah, I told my husband to put it on. So it's just for me.

• 48:31Speaker 01

  It came from, I spent a bit of time working with Bono from from U2 and he gifted this song called, you know, the sweetest thing. Oh, the sweetest thing. He gifted that to his wife. He missed, I think he forgot her birthday. And then he wrote a song for her and then just said, you can just have this song. And like, all the proceeds go to like a charity of her choice and stuff. And so I had heard that story hanging out with him and his wife. And I came home and told Cherry that. And yeah, I think it kind of was born out of that.

• 48:59Alex Cooper?

  That is beautiful. Um, you have obviously written so many songs for huge artists. Is there any song that you wish you had kept for yourself?

• 49:08Speaker 01

  No, because I think that they all have their own space and stories. And I do honestly believe that, like, a song like Little Things for One Direction does not exist in the same way if I sing it, that they sing it. I think it came at like a pivotal point of their career and was what it was. And I think same thing for like,

• 49:30Speaker 01

  I don't know, Love Yourself with Justin, I think it came after What Do You Mean Sorry? And it was like stripped back and the perfect point. I don't think if I'd have sung it, it'd be the same. And East Side with All's In Cletus, like Benny's first single, I think if I'd have released that, that wouldn't have been, yeah, I think they all, they all hold their own space, I guess. And if I'd have done it, maybe I wouldn't have done it properly.

• 49:53Alex Cooper?

  Yeah. Is there any song of yours that you are secretly sick of playing?

• 49:59Speaker 01

  No, honestly, no. And I think that it goes back to what I was saying of like, you have to be able to stand behind it. I think if you, if you compromise yourself in music to like, do a certain thing, like reach a certain fanbase or like whatever, and you can't stand behind it, if it, if it doesn't work, then you've kind of failed in your mission because you've made it to work. And if it works, then you have to play it for the rest of time. So I'm very, very careful that everything that I make, I have, I have to be confident enough to sing it for forever. And also, if, even if you've sung a song 2000 times, it's always different every time you play it with the, the crowds. So, so yeah, I'm not really sick of playing anything, really.

• 50:41Alex Cooper?

  Okay, let's break down some of your lyrics.

• 50:43Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 50:43Alex Cooper?

  I'm gonna give you a lyric and you're gonna tell me the meaning behind it or any story. Okay. He's got his eyebrows plucked and his asshole bleached. What are you referring to, Ed?

• 51:01Speaker 01

  Oh my God. Uh, yeah. Do you know what? There's a song called New Man and um,

• 51:08Speaker 01

  I actually haven't heard those. I haven't sung that song in years. Um, it's basically, I don't know, it was a 27 year old's take on

• 51:18Speaker 01

  that, you know, like being, being the ex-boyfriend and sort of, I don't know.

• 51:23Alex Cooper?

  I think it's beautiful.

• 51:25Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, I wrote that with Jesse Ware, actually. We, we, we had a lot of fun writing those lyrics because it was all just kind of like throwing out stuff that we all thought was a bit like funny.

• 51:35Alex Cooper?

  Have you ever had an ex call you out for writing a song about them?

• 51:38Speaker 01

  Of course, yeah, of course. But I'm a songwriter, like I, I always say like, and I, and I've dated songwriters in, in the past as well. And it's kind of one of those things that I've got to be able to take it as well as, um, write it. And I think that, um, you know, it's the good and, good and bad. And, and also like writing songs is It is the two extremes. It's the same thing. You can't write a song about a feeling that's like, "Yeah, my day was alright today." And I can't write about it. It either is like, "I am the most in love that I've ever been," or "I am the, you know, most hurt," or blah, blah. It's like the two extremes and those, those are the things that come out and also those are the things that connect with people. So, you know, you can listen to an artist's songs and be, and be like, well, they only really, they're either like,

• 52:20Speaker 01

  they either love someone really much, they either hate someone, but those are the times that you write songs that actually feel something, you know? So, um, so yeah, I've definitely had, I wouldn't even say arguments, conversations. Um, and I think that because I've been a songwriter since I was 11, that anyone that I've been romantically involved with at least knows that you take the good with the bad. Cause you're going like, there, there, there will be both sides. You will, you will get both sides, you know?

• 52:49Alex Cooper?

  Would you often, back in the day, would you just like press upload? Or were you ever giving people a heads up? It was coming?

• 52:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've always given people heads up unless I haven't been in touch with them anymore. I mean, obviously there's like breakups of people you just don't speak to anymore. But yeah, there's, yeah. I feel like I have a good enough relationship with my exes that, yeah.

• 53:12Alex Cooper?

  You could be like, "Hey, a banger's coming. Get ready."

• 53:16Alex Cooper?

  "This one slapped. You want to hear it?" They're like, "Fuck you."

• 53:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, fucking hell. Well.

• 53:21Alex Cooper?

  Okay. "They say I'm up and coming, like I'm fucking in an elevator."

• 53:27Speaker 01

  I wrote that when I was 15. I was really proud of that line.

• 53:32Alex Cooper?

  It's pretty good.

• 53:33Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 53:33Alex Cooper?

  It's pretty good. What headspace do you think you were in when you wrote that?

• 53:37Speaker 01

  I loved rap battles. I loved rap battles. So I would, there was, I would be watching like online. There was a couple of like leagues in the UK. There was Jump Off and, and Don't Flop. And those were the two that I would like watch as a teenager. And it was all about metaphors and similes and just saying clever shit line after line and punchlines and stuff. So I would, that was. I was in a phase of writing songs where I was just trying to fit in punchlines. And when I wrote that, it went down so well at gigs from the age of 15 as well. Everyone's just like, oh, that song that it just kind of stayed in. It's quite weird actually singing that song as a 34 year old. Having written it at 15 because you're singing it and like this is so different to how I am now.

• 54:22Speaker 01

  Even like I have lines, I'm like, I spit fast, I know that all my shit's cool. I will blast and I never went to Brit school and like, I'm singing it as a 34 year old dad now on stage. Like, yeah, I just don't know if I believe this anymore.

• 54:37Alex Cooper?

  You're like, oh yeah, 15 year old me, I've really grown.

• 54:40Speaker 01

  People love it though. People love it, you know?

• 54:43Alex Cooper?

  But I feel like that's what's fun though, is that you still will play those type, you know what I mean?

• 54:47Speaker 01

  I love the fact that I closed my show with a song that I wrote when I was 15. It's like, it's like a kind of really nice full circle moment. Cause I used to play that song to no one and now you close a stadium with it. Still, it's the same song, same setup, everything.

• 55:00Alex Cooper?

  Pretty amazing.

• 55:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's fun.

• 55:02Alex Cooper?

  Okay, um, azizam, I want to get lost in your ocean and drown. This obviously is a lyric from your new single. What are you talking about, Ed?

• 55:15Speaker 01

  Um, I think with that song, it was, uh, it kind of just all felt really, really fun and immersive. I think that's where the ocean thing came from is just like immersing yourself in the night. That line definitely had some people in my circle being like, do you really need to say drown? Um, I don't know, it sounded good. Sometimes that's all that counts in the studio is does it sound good?

• 55:36Alex Cooper?

  And what does azizam mean?

• 55:39Speaker 01

  Azizam is Farsi and it means, uh, my dear or my love. The guy that I made the tune with Ilya is Persian and we were literally in the studio. We were just trying different things and he was like, would you ever do something Persian influenced? And He just sort of led me on this journey. We've got like footage of the moment where he's like, I'm like, what's like my love in Farsi? And he's like, oh, Azizam. And I was like, that's a fucking cool word. And you kind of like it. It really like, it's a, it's a really fun song.

• 56:08Alex Cooper?

  It, well, it's funny because when I was listening to it, it's awesome, but I like hear it the way that you sing it of like, well, I'm not even gonna fucking try, but like how you kind of leave like a pause where you like, Azizam. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Um, moving on. That was embarrassing.

• 56:24Speaker 01

  Did you like the songs?

• 56:25Alex Cooper?

  They're amazing. They're so good. Um, okay. Can we talk about your wife though? You guys met in high school and then you didn't start dating until much later. How did you reconnect?

• 56:36Speaker 01

  Uh, I started employing like my best mate on tour. Um, so I kind of, I went through, um, periods of time on tour. Like I'm a solo artist and I don't have a band. So, and I'm very much like, I would just tour on my, I would obviously like, I have a crew, but my crew were like 50 year old blokes. So there's only so much, uh, bonding you can do, I think. And I got intensely lonely and burnt out. And yeah, I remember I spoke to my mate. She's, she grew up opposite me, Lauren, and she was, she'd just left university. She now like works in tour management on my tour and stuff and has been doing it for 10, 10 years. But she was very much, I guess, worried about me

• 57:19Speaker 01

  and just came on tour, started working on tour. And then we were in, uh, New York and her sister was living with Cherry. And I had had, uh, you know, moments with Cherry when, when we were younger. Um, and I guess like, we just kind of reconnected and picked up where, where we left off, I guess. And it's one of those things where I wasn't really expecting it to happen. I kind of just got out of a relationship. I was on tour for God knows how long and it just felt really, I was sort of like, unless I do this, it, I will always regret it. So I just sort of jumped in. And yeah, best decision I think I've made.

• 57:57Alex Cooper?

  You have two daughters. How has your life changed since becoming a father?

• 58:03Speaker 01

  Very dramatically, actually. Very dramatically. I think just, um,

• 58:08Speaker 01

  I mean, even just not being a fucking maniac with drinking drugs or smoking or, you know, I exercise now, never exercised before. Um, I get up in the morning rather. I used to sleep till like 4pm. Like I'm, it's really has changed dramatically. And just in the way that I'm home more and my work schedule is based around them rather than based around me.

• 58:29Alex Cooper?

  That's incredible.

• 58:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:30Alex Cooper?

  Do you sing to them? Like, do they understand?

• 58:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course. It's usually Moana. Like, it's usually just me singing Moana. Yeah, they like, I have a song on the album called Sapphire that they love. So it's either Moana or Sapphire. Moana, by the way, top fucking tier Disney music. Top tier.

• 58:49Alex Cooper?

  Absolutely. Do you just like walk around the house and sing that to them?

• 58:51Speaker 01

  Yeah. All, all the songs actually. And Moana too, actually, when I went to go and see it, I wasn't like, straight away enamored with the songs. And now those songs are my favorite songs too.

• 59:00Alex Cooper?

  Which one is your favorite?

• 59:01Speaker 01

  Putting me on the spot here, probably the Chi Hu song.

• 59:03Alex Cooper?

  What does that sound like?

• 59:04Speaker 01

  Can I get a, can I get a Chi Hu? That one. Who are you? Who are you gonna be? Gonna make some, gonna make some history. Come on up, Moana, go get your destiny. Mate, my children fucking love it.

• 59:17Alex Cooper?

  Oh, that's good.

• 59:18Speaker 01

  Yeah. And they've got the, we went to go and see Mufasa and they loved the brother song.

• 59:22Alex Cooper?

  Oh.

• 59:23Speaker 01

  Coincidentally, same writer as Moana won. So yeah, it's all Lin-Manuel Miranda.

• 59:28Alex Cooper?

  You're gonna be singing it up. Your kids are in heaven over there. They're lucky. That's nice to have.

• 59:48Alex Cooper?

  Call Her Daddy is brought to you by Southern New Hampshire University. Daddy gang, let's get real, okay? We like to make our own rules. Southern New Hampshire University gets it. They let you learn what you want with over 200 career-focused programs, where you want with 100% online courses, and how you want with no set class times. Basically, you get to call the shots from day one. Visit s n h u dot edu slash call her daddy to learn more. Call Her Daddy is brought to you by Stoffers. Let me tell you something. When I I am hungry and I am trying to figure out what to eat. Sometimes you can just actually become so,

• 1:00:27Alex Cooper?

  you're angry. You're like, I am busy. I'm hungry. I'm getting hangry. I'm getting angry. What can I eat? I need something hot and delicious and low maintenance. Well, introducing Stouffer's dinners are not only delicious, they're done in a flash. Serve up their classic lasagna, chicken pesto or carbonara for two. Whatever you're craving, Stouffer's is your hot, delicious, easy meal fantasy. When the clock strikes dinner, think Stouffer's. You can see all the delicious options at Stouffer's.com. Right now, we have a single out. Is there more coming?

• 1:01:01Speaker 01

  Yep, I have a, uh, my, my idea was because the album is so broad, I didn't want to just be like, here's the single, here's the album. So they're kind of, there's music coming every sort of like two, three weeks. So there's Azizam now. There's a song called Old Phone that comes out in a couple of weeks. And then after that, there's another song that come and we shot all these videos and I, I, I'm less about like, single moments and more about, I want people to sort of feel the breadth of the record. And I'm very confident that one of the songs will work. But it's more about just putting them out and letting people hear some of the record before it's out. Rather than what I've done before is just like, here's my first single, here's the album and yeah.

• 1:01:45Alex Cooper?

  How is this music different than everything you've put out before? Or is it?

• 1:01:50Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, it's definitely different. I think I've been more explorative with this, with this album. I've kind of had a, an attitude of why the fuck not? Like, and not really felt like I have to be in a box of being a singer songwriter of, like, I have to do this or I have to do that. And I, I lived in India for a little bit and worked with a load of Indian musicians and producers and blah, blah, blah. Obviously I made a song like Azizam with Ilya, who's Persian and that's in that world. And, um, Old Phone, I think is more in a Nashville country world. And there's just lots of different moments on the record and the, the record is called Play and therefore it has to be playful. It has to be celebratory. I released two albums that are kind of, well, one, one was the sort of main album and one sort of came off the back of it. But they were both very like,

• 1:02:36Speaker 01

  Very depressing about quite hard hitting subjects, very muted. I still think they're beautiful records, but I feel like coming out of that of having, you know, going through grief and all of that sort of stuff coming out, I needed to have something that felt bright and colourful and playful. And that's where doing St Patrick's Day, playing at Tootsie's in Nashville, doing the New Orleans thing, the whole record just has to feel like fun and exciting.

• 1:03:03Alex Cooper?

  How do you avoid writer's block?

• 1:03:05Speaker 01

  I think you just write all the time. I think you have to, I think writer's block is actually fear of being shit rather than, because I think everyone can write, you have to just sit down and write, but you have to accept that sometimes it's shit and it's not good enough. And I think that I just write and write and write. Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's great. And sometimes it will be a song that you keep. And I think if you do that year in, year out, you're left at the end of the year with like 10, 11 songs that are really great. And then you can actually start forming an album.

• 1:03:34Alex Cooper?

  It's really interesting to hear you talk about like the way that you're approaching projects, albums essentially, but they're projects in your brain of like, this one was like more intense. So now this needs to feel more fun. And like, I can feel that energy from you. Um, okay, Ed, last question. What do you want your legacy in music to be?

• 1:03:54Speaker 01

  I would love

• 1:03:57Speaker 01

  for it to seem possible to any kid out there that just wants to pick up an acoustic guitar. I think that the, the thing, I think the thing that's jarring about me to people is also the thing that creates hope, because I am a regular dude who picked up an acoustic guitar, who's not from a major city, who made it happen by going out there. And I would love for all kids to go, fuck, I could probably do that too, rather than feel like it's an impossible thing.

• 1:04:26Speaker 01

  Because it's really not, it's really not. I think that it's, I couldn't sing when there's footage of me online where, have you seen it?

• 1:04:33Alex Cooper?

  No, but now I'm gonna Google it.

• 1:04:35Speaker 01

  Where I can't sing. I mean, we could play, we could play it now.

• 1:04:39Alex Cooper?

  Wait, you can't see, you couldn't sing?

• 1:04:40Speaker 01

  It's got, if you type in Ed Sheeran addicted, it's me when I'm 14, singing.

• 1:04:45Alex Cooper?

  It's that bad?

• 1:04:46Speaker 01

  It's bad. But then I like practised and became, you can actually just find the song online. Yeah, someone leaked all my old EPs, which I guess shows progress. Listen to it. You can fast forward it a little bit. I've got an intro because I love, I love an intro.

• 1:05:05Speaker 01

  Here we go.

• 1:05:10Speaker 01

  It's alright, you wait.

• 1:05:23Alex Cooper?

  Wait, you sound like little baby Ed. Wait, that's cute.

• 1:05:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it's not like, it's not professional standard, is it?

• 1:05:30Alex Cooper?

  Oh no.

• 1:05:31Speaker 01

  That's what I'm saying, we can turn it off now. Um, but I'm saying like, I didn't know, I didn't know how to sing in tune. And then I taught myself how to sing in tune by practicing. So I honestly, when I go into talks at like, music schools and to kids and stuff, I always play that and go, uh, because everyone just assumes that you're born and you're just, you just got it. And it, you can teach yourself. I taught myself, well, I didn't teach myself how to play guitar, but I learned how to play guitar. I learned how to perform. I learned how to perform in front of lots of different crowds. I learned how to song write. I learned how to sing. And I'd love my legacy to be any kid, anywhere, literally anywhere goes, I can do that too. Because I think that that's like music's, music is a thing that it's also for, uh,

• 1:06:14Speaker 01

  kids that aren't good at other things, who don't have a lot of self-worth or self-confidence. If they start music in any form, in, in poetry or singing or instruments, or even like work in a studio or whatever, it gives you so much like worth and confidence in yourself as a human being. And I think that in school, there's so much like importance put on, you must be good at this subject and you must be good at this subject to actually be a good human being and to go out in the world and achieve. And I, I just wasn't good at anything as a kid and I didn't have a lot of self-worth because of that. And I felt like I was stupid and music was, I was only good at music. And that became my career. And I think when I go into schools and stuff and talk to people, I'm like, you only need one thing that you're good at. And then that is you for life. You find one thing, you work really hard at it,

• 1:07:00Speaker 01

  then that is your career. And I think that that I would love for my legacy to be.

• 1:07:05Alex Cooper?

  I think that is so beautiful and I appreciate you bringing up the concept of like, Kids looking at celebrities and musicians and actors and anyone in the arts like it seems like this far away concept and you have made it feel like achievable in a way that can be actually like everyday motivating for a person being like I'm one step away from my gorgeous cover going on YouTube and sounding like Ed and then look where you are.

• 1:07:35Speaker 01

  But then not being embarrassed about that phase of your life because another thing that I've found in my career is I've learned everything from my failures and nothing from my success. It's not like I was on stage at Wembley Stadium being like I'm learning a lot from this. I learned everything on the way to there and I think that what that shows is actually failing at something is good because then I learned how to sing after then and there's so much like importance nowadays on you just even on social media about like succeeding and showing you're doing well and like not being in but like the embarrassment of something failing or flopping when actually all of those things every single artist in the world has played to two people in a room and sucked every single and that is a really important stepping stone and everyone

• 1:08:20Speaker 01

  has written songs that have released that other people didn't like that's an important stepping stone. It's all about like learning from failures rather than just always your career just can't do this the whole time. You can't just get bigger and bigger and bigger, better and better. Everything works because that's just not real life. It's about like picking yourself up after the failures and trying again rather than giving up. I again always say I'm sorry to bang on about education stuff, but I think with with anything, it's important that when you have that thing that you love, that you want to do, don't give yourself a plan B because if you have a plan B and it gets really difficult and starts failing, you always revert to the plan B. And if you have plan A, at all points, you go, this has to work. And even at the points where you fail, like I've done

• 1:09:05Speaker 01

  really terrible shows where it's there was a show that I did in Exeter where it was like. Think like sixty quid to get down there on a train, but I had a rucksack full of back CDs and I was like, do you know what? If I sell seven CDs, I've made my money back and a tenner. So all I need to do is sell seven CDs at this gig. And I got to the gig, no one turned up. I waited too long to see if people had turned up and then I missed my train home and had to sleep at the train station. And in that moment, like eighteen, nineteen, I was like, why am I doing this? Like, all my friends have just gone to university. Some of them have gone out to get jobs. They're actually like on their path. And I feel like I'm not achieving anything. And in that moment, my head just went, but this is the only thing you can do. So just keep doing it and hope it

• 1:09:50Speaker 01

  will work. And I think that in that moment, had I had a plan B, I would have gone, cool, I'll just, I'll go and do, I'll go and do that now. You must find that though. I mean, you're hugely successful. You must have just been like, this is gonna work.

• 1:10:03Alex Cooper?

  I, well, I, yes, and I relate a lot to that of not having a plan B and then people, whether it was like making fun of you for it, or you feeling like, why am I not doing a traditional? Like, I remember being in college and all the girls were taking courses that were like finance and all that. And I was like in the film school and everyone was like, where is that gonna get you? And a lot of times I was like, I don't know. But those feelings, it, you know in you what you actually love. And you have to go with that.

• 1:10:34Speaker 01

  The people making fun of you as well, because that is a huge thing. It's like, it's, it's so easy for other people to like, make fun of someone for taking a risk and, and doing something. And I, I actually think it comes from like an internal thing of when they say, what's she doing? She can't do that. It's actually because in their own heads, they can't do it. And they haven't got the thing that goes, you know, fuck it, I'm just gonna do this. Fuck what other people think. And it's, it's like almost a taking the piss out of you for even dreaming about it. Because why the fuck would you dream about being successful? Like, just do, do your plan B. I think it's like almost a scary thing sometimes for that. And I got, mate, I had-

• 1:11:16Speaker 01

  None of my mates, even my best friends now, none of them really came to the first gigs I did. It wasn't until it started catching steam that suddenly people were like, I'm not saying like all my mates, but a large amount of my mates who are now my best friends and have been since since school. I had my, one of my best friends who literally like, you know, he's godfather of one of my kids. When I was a teenager, rung me up pretending to be Zane Lowe and was like, Zane Lowe worked on Radio One at the time and had this thing called hottest record in the world, where he would like debut a new record of an unsigned artist. And he rung me up pretending to be Zane Lowe. And then all of, you know, he had all of my other mates on the phone and they were all laughing down the phone. And I was like, you know, stuff like that.

• 1:12:01Alex Cooper?

  Ed, that is traumatizing. I was crying.

• 1:12:05Speaker 01

  But then four years later, guess what? I'm hottest record in the world on Zane Lowe.

• 1:12:10Alex Cooper?

  That's so crazy. You can never let them forget. I'm like, you little fuckers never came to my shows in the beginning. Fuck you.

• 1:12:17Speaker 01

  I mean, my mate Zach, real one, Zach always came to the shows.

• 1:12:21Alex Cooper?

  Zach, there's always one.

• 1:12:23Speaker 01

  Shout out Nick.

• 1:12:25Alex Cooper?

  No, I, that is such a beautiful message to leave this on. Cause I can imagine there's so many people watching this right now that are either like gonna quit the job because they're not making enough and they hate it. And they're like, okay, I'm just gonna like not pursue it anymore. And I'll just go do what like my parents had wanted me to do. Or there's someone that is like doing something in this moment that people are making fun of them for, or they feel let down and they feel like there's no way to actually get to what they want. This is like, here you fucking go.

• 1:12:54Speaker 01

  It all comes down to enjoyment though. Cause I think if you're still enjoying what you do, because even though I did that Exeter gig and no one turned up for it, I was still playing music that night rather than doing something I didn't want to do. So I think there will come difficult times in everyone's careers. But as long as you love what you do, you've always got that at the end of the day. But I'd say if you're in a job that you don't love.

• 1:13:18Speaker 01

  Like, try and find something that you love.

• 1:13:20Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:20Speaker 01

  You know?

• 1:13:20Alex Cooper?

  Go, go for your passion and make it your job if you can. Ed, this has been so fun. I wish I could talk to you for like 10 more hours because I feel like we could do one, an entire podcast on just movies in general.

• 1:13:34Speaker 01

  We could do it again?

• 1:13:34Alex Cooper?

  I know. We could do it again. Maybe I'll see you again.

• 1:13:37Speaker 01

  I would love to do a movie one.

• 1:13:39Alex Cooper?

  I, I would sit here with you and geek out over a movie because I'm a movie girl too. Like I'm full movies.

• 1:13:44Speaker 01

  Have you seen The Florida Project?

• 1:13:45Alex Cooper?

  Yes.

• 1:13:45Speaker 01

  Just, literally just watched that the other night.

• 1:13:47Alex Cooper?

  Oh my God.

• 1:13:47Speaker 01

  blew my fucking mind.

• 1:13:48Alex Cooper?

  Did you see Nora?

• 1:13:49Speaker 01

  Of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I hadn't really heard of Sean Baker before then. So then I went back and did like Tangerine in The Florida Project. But Florida Project, like, I haven't cried like that at a movie for, just at the end, with the little girl. I was just like.

• 1:14:02Alex Cooper?

  No, he's so fucking talented. Um, thank you for taking the time. I know you're running on like two hours of sleep and you were fucking great. So thank you.

• 1:14:09Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:14:09Alex Cooper?

  Thank you.

• 1:14:24Alex Cooper?

  Thanks to Lieb by Yves Saint Laurent for sponsoring today's episode. Make a statement with Lieb Lounou, the fragrance that sets you apart. Shop now at Sephora. Call Her Daddy is brought to you by Alka Seltzer Cold. Life's already messy enough. Drama, dating, working, a cold or flu? We don't have time for that. Alka Seltzer Cold Fast Dissolve Tablets are designed to deliver cold and flu relief fast. Just drop the two tablets in water and hear those bubbles bursting into action, ready to work faster than pills. Pills take time to dissolve. Next time a cold or flu strikes, quick Alka Seltzer Cold. Nothing works faster for cold and flu symptom

• 1:15:07Alex Cooper?

  relief. Among oral OTC products, use as directed. Call Her Daddy is brought to you by T-Mobile. Daddy gang, there are honestly so many reasons to just choose T-Mobile. They've got T-Mobile Tuesdays perks, tons of freebies, travel benefits like hotel and rental car savings. They make your phone plan.

• 1:15:27Alex Cooper?

  Feel like it's actually giving you something back instead of just being another bill that you have to pay every single month. And if you're a student, T-Mobile has student perks plans designed specifically for you. I remember being in college and constantly literally just looking for ways to save money understandably. And so these are the kind of perks I would have absolutely taken advantage of. Students can get things like a $5 movie ticket every month, exclusive access to concerts, okay, and even streaming benefits. So you can always have a reality TV binge night with your girls. And when you're already paying for your phone every month, getting all of these extra benefits on top of it, just, it makes sense, right?

• 1:16:11Alex Cooper?

  For all the reasons to choose T-Mobile, find yours at tmobile.com/membership. Qualifying plan required. Visit tmobile.com.