TBT: Kristin Cavallari

Throwback Thursday The legendary Kristin Cavallari joins Bunnie, bringing all her iconic energy. The two dive into Kristin’s wild journey from reality TV queen on Laguna Beach and The Hills to her lasting status as a Hollywood "it" girl. Kristin dishes on flings with Morgan Wallen and the mysterious Montana Boy (yes, their big… hearts), life in the dating world after divorce, and spills some juicy behind-the-scenes drama from Very Cavallari. She also shares how she built her booming jewelry and skincare brand, Uncommon James, and what exciting moves she’s planning for 2025 and beyond. Kristin: IG https://www.instagram.com/kristincavallari/?hl=en | Let's Be Honest with Kristin Cavallari https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/lets-be-honest-with-kristin-cavallari/id1700725168 Watch Full Episodes & More: www.dumbblondeunrated.com

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Bunnie XO?

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• 0:34Speaker 01

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• 0:40Speaker 02

  Get some of the coolest tits.

• 0:51Bunnie XO?

  Is this thing on? Hi babies, welcome back to another episode of Dumb Blonde. My girl Kristin Cavallari is in the house, baby.

• 0:59Speaker 03

  Hi, I'm so excited to be here.

• 1:02Bunnie XO?

  Dude, I am so stoked to have you here. This has been a long time coming.

• 1:05Speaker 03

  I know. We've been talking about this for, I mean, months, months.

• 1:09Bunnie XO?

  Maybe it might even be a year.

• 1:10Speaker 03

  That's what I was gonna say. It might be. Yeah. So yay, so happy it's finally happening.

• 1:15Bunnie XO?

  Dude, you are an icon in your own right, dude. You have been around forever. And I don't think, like, I don't feel like the new TikTok people really know like your whole lore.

• 1:24Speaker 03

  I love you.

• 1:25Bunnie XO?

  You have like a lore to you. And it's like, people are just like, oh, Kristin Cavallari just came on the scene. I've seen comments like that. And I'm like, and they're like, who is she? And I'm like, how do you guys not know who Kristin is?

• 1:35Speaker 03

  When people comment, who are you? You're the one commenting on my page. Get out of here.

• 1:40Bunnie XO?

  I'm the one who's going viral. Who the fuck are you? You know?

• 1:43Speaker 03

  It's so funny. TikTok is its own thing. I just did a voiceover to myself from Laguna Beach and people thought it was like a, like in real time, like I was just doing it.

• 1:53Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:53Speaker 03

  And some people obviously get it, but TikTok is, it's, yeah, is it a younger generation?

• 1:58Bunnie XO?

  I, I, not on my FYP, but I, I feel like there's so many people that do use TikTok that it's like, the age group is just so vast over there.

• 2:07Speaker 03

  Well, I don't know what for you pages I'm falling. But it's like, it's such a mixed bag. It's either like Laguna Beach fans who have known me for 20 years, you know, or these people are like, who the fuck is this chick? So yeah, I get, I get all kinds of comments.

• 2:20Bunnie XO?

  Well, let's get them familiar with you because I have an entire interview planned out for you because I there's just, you have so much. So it's like, I just want to cover everything. And I hopefully in this interview, people and podcasts, people will be able to get to get a sense and a feel for you of like everything that you've accomplished before you, you know, became on TikTok and was on Very Cavallari and all that stuff. So.

• 2:42Speaker 03

  All right. I love it. So let's dig in.

• 2:44Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, let's dig in. Let's take it back to the hills because that's where I fell in love with you. You had like this huge personality and you didn't take anybody's shit.

• 2:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:53Bunnie XO?

  And I was like, who is this woman? How did that all come about? Because was it like a bunch of rich kids whose parents like, sent them to casting agents or like, how did this even come about?

• 3:03Speaker 03

  So Laguna Beach or the hills?

• 3:04Bunnie XO?

  The hills.

• 3:05Speaker 03

  The hills.

• 3:05Bunnie XO?

  The hills was first, right?

• 3:07Speaker 03

  No, so Laguna Beach was first.

• 3:08Bunnie XO?

  Okay, Laguna Beach.

• 3:09Speaker 03

  Okay, so Laguna Beach. So I mean, literally it fell into my lap. I was going to high school. We all were just going to school. And MTV showed up one day and did an open casting call. And how they were able to come to the school was the school initially was on board with it. MTV was paying the school. So they found all of us. And then of course, the parents freaked out and they were like, there's no way we can have cameras in these classrooms. So MTV was like, that's fine. We already found our cast. So what we would do is we would just film on the weekends. But it was right place, right time. It fell into my lap and it completely changed my life.

• 3:41Bunnie XO?

  That's insanity.

• 3:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:43Bunnie XO?

  So you grew up in Laguna Beach or did you grow up in like?

• 3:46Speaker 03

  So I grew up all over. So a lot of people think I'm from Laguna, but I didn't move to Laguna until I was a freshman in high school. So I was born in Colorado.

• 3:53Bunnie XO?

  Oh, wow.

• 3:54Speaker 03

  Moved to Connecticut, moved back to Colorado. My parents got a divorce. I moved to a suburb of Chicago. And then I was getting into a lot of trouble. And so I ended up moving in with my dad, my freshman year of high school to Laguna.

• 4:06Bunnie XO?

  What kind of trouble were we getting into?

• 4:07Speaker 03

  Well, Bunny.

• 4:09Bunnie XO?

  Cause I need to hear this. Makes me feel better about my childhood.

• 4:14Speaker 03

  But so funny, cause for so long, I was kind of ashamed of my childhood and then like my partying ways and stuff. And now I just fully embrace it, you know?

• 4:21Bunnie XO?

  You have to. That's what made you the woman you are today.

• 4:23Speaker 03

  Exactly. But so I started smoking pot in eighth grade. I started drinking. I was sneaky now.

• 4:28Bunnie XO?

  Eighth grade?

• 4:29Speaker 03

  Eighth grade. Yeah, I was young. And so, and my boyfriend Johnny at the time lived close. And he would drive his golf cart over to my house and pick me up and we would just, I mean, just animals. I got taken home by the cops in eighth grade. It's like all your typical stuff.

• 4:45Bunnie XO?

  Who introduced you to drugs and that scene so early? Was it just like ditching, school, partying?

• 4:51Speaker 03

  Ditching school and just friends. Yeah. You know, it just, I think I was sort of drawn to that group of kids. Because I had a lot of trauma. And so, you know, my escape was to start drinking and doing drugs. And the only way I found a connection was with my boyfriend. I didn't have a connection at home. And so that was where I found it, was with my boyfriend and through all of my friends.

• 5:14Bunnie XO?

  When you talk about the trauma, can we touch base on that? Like, was it just a rough relationship with the parents?

• 5:22Speaker 03

  So my dad is a narcissist, typical narcissist.

• 5:25Bunnie XO?

  So is mine. I'm just dealing with my dad today, actually. And he died in May.

• 5:30Speaker 03

  Oh, really?

• 5:30Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. No, it's having a narcissistic father is so, it just, it's, you can't explain it unless you've gone through it or somebody can relate to it.

• 5:39Speaker 03

  Cause there's so many layers to it. It's so complicated.

• 5:41Bunnie XO?

  It's disgusting.

• 5:42Speaker 03

  It really is disgusting. I actually cut my dad out of my life a couple of years ago. Which is the best thing I've ever done, quite honestly. I feel like it was the last thing I needed to do in my healing journey. And there was a period where I was like, I felt like, am I gonna have bad karma if I cut him out of my life? And am I gonna have to like come back in another lifetime and have to like, you know, work through all the same shit again? And I actually had a medium say to me, she was like, no, actually, that was like what you came to do in this lifetime. Was to be able to stand up for yourself and set boundaries and cut him out of your life.

• 6:13Bunnie XO?

  Oh, my God.

• 6:14Speaker 03

  Okay, that made me feel so much better. Yeah, just validated everything. But anyways, so, so I had a narcissist. Dad growing up and then parents divorce, stepfamilies, some sexual trauma with a couple different guys in my life and just, you know, just like one thing after another.

• 6:32Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 6:33Speaker 03

  Um, and so, yeah, I was just looking for any kind of, any kind of connection and outlet as well. So that was why I kinda, you know, went down the path that I did.

• 6:43Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. They say that children who are born Capricorns, um, normally have issues with the mom. So for you to have issues with you, I wonder what your moon sign is.

• 6:55Speaker 03

  Well, okay, I don't know which one is moon and which one is, uh, what's the other one?

• 6:59Bunnie XO?

  Venus.

• 6:59Speaker 03

  There's Venus. So I'm cancer and Aries, but I don't know which one is which.

• 7:04Bunnie XO?

  I could see you being an Aries moon because I'm an Aries moon also.

• 7:07Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 7:07Bunnie XO?

  So you might have, I don't know. We'll do your chart. I'll, I'll have to text you.

• 7:10Speaker 03

  Okay, fine.

• 7:11Bunnie XO?

  I'll get your number and we'll, or we can do it on the podcast. I don't even care.

• 7:14Speaker 03

  I love it.

• 7:14Bunnie XO?

  Do you, Mimi, do you know how to look up the birth charts? Well, yeah, will you look it up?

• 7:18Speaker 03

  Oh, fun.

• 7:18Bunnie XO?

  Just give, um,

• 7:21Speaker 03

  I was born, and I was born at, I think, 8:00 PM.

• 7:26Bunnie XO?

  The fact that I know that so easily. I was a fucking, an AM baby and I, I can, I'm a night owl.

• 7:33Speaker 03

  Oh, really?

• 7:34Bunnie XO?

  I can, isn't that crazy? Like I came in the world AM and you will never catch me up at 6:30 AM.

• 7:39Speaker 03

  That is hilarious. Yeah.

• 7:41Bunnie XO?

  Ever dude. Uh, while she's looking that up, we'll continue, but isn't it crazy though that like so much happens in your early life and it's like you, you don't know how to deal with it and you carry it so deeply. So it comes out in other ways, which was of course for you was the partying and stuff like that.

• 7:58Speaker 03

  Yeah. I know. I think everyone is the way they are because of their childhood. This is like my favorite conversation.

• 8:03Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 8:04Speaker 03

  You know, because I just think, and I think a lot of people, they don't take the time to actually look inward and really work through their trauma and figure out why they are the way they are.

• 8:13Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 8:13Speaker 03

  And I feel like that's been my whole fucking life, basically. It's like having to like figure it out.

• 8:18Bunnie XO?

  Breaking generational classes. Literally, that's me too. Same.

• 8:21Speaker 03

  And finally, I'm about to turn 38 and I finally feel like I'm in a good place with everything and have a good handle on it, you know?

• 8:27Bunnie XO?

  I'm so glad you got ahold of it early because I didn't want to start dealing with my shit. Till I hit forty. And when I tell you I hit forty years old, I had the most crazy depression. Like it like, it's like you can be so strong your entire life and then it's that one day that you just wake up and everything fucking hits you like a brick wall.

• 8:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 8:46Bunnie XO?

  So the fact that you have gotten ahead of it is just amazing. I'm so proud of you for doing that.

• 8:50Speaker 03

  I mean, I've always said, I feel like the first, the first half of my life was just like thing after thing, just like, it was just a lot. And now I'm hoping that I'm setting the second half, second half of my life up to just be fucking chill.

• 9:04Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 9:04Speaker 03

  Just like relax and be able to just enjoy my life.

• 9:08Bunnie XO?

  Do you think all that trauma that you had was why you were so fierce on Laguna Beach and the hills?

• 9:15Speaker 03

  I think it definitely played a role. And I think always being the new girl and moving around constantly, I was able to be put in any situation and it was like sink or swim. And I figured out how to survive, you know, and how to make the most of it. So I think I naturally sort of had this tough exterior, this like take no shit attitude, but I also was able to figure out any situation you could put me in. So I think the combination, yeah, is what made me this like, you know, fucking firecracker.

• 9:43Bunnie XO?

  I love that though. And that's what you were known for. And that's literally why people fell in love with you because, you know, back then, we didn't have a lot of like strong personalities like that on TV.

• 9:51Speaker 03

  Well, I got a lot of hate for it at the time. And now it's interesting because people are like, wait a minute. Maybe Kristen wasn't the villain. Fuck, twenty years later, I'll take it.

• 10:03Bunnie XO?

  I, you know, and I'm, I don't want to talk shit about her, but Lauren always rubbed me the wrong way. And I was just like, I don't know. Like, it just seems a little too manufactured. Like, it just didn't seem real to me. But you always came across as authentic.

• 10:15Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 10:16Bunnie XO?

  Do you feel like because you were always the, you know, fierce one and the one to speak up and the one to fight back? Do you feel like people didn't really get a sense of who you really were because of that?

• 10:27Speaker 03

  Hundred percent. And I think that was the thing. Laguna Beach showed one side of my personality. And I mean, you know, we're all, we have so many different sides to our personality. And so. You know, people, because I do have a very soft side too. And of course, as I've gotten older and became a mom and everything, I've really honed in on that. But even back then, I mean, I did as well. And I still have that, that, you know, take no shit side to me. But when that's the only thing they're showing, yes, I mean, you can't really get to know someone. And it's interesting, because Stephen and I actually did a Back to the Beach podcast. It was a rewatch podcast, and we went back, and it was the first time I had seen it since it aired. And at the time, I remember being like, MTV fucked with me so hard. And I thought

• 11:12Speaker 03

  it was unfair. And then going back and rewatching it, and talking to everybody, I was like, oh, no, they fucked with everyone. Like, they did, what they did to me, they did to every single cast member, even, you know, Lauren, they only showed one side of her personality, too. Stephen, the same thing. And so, I walked away from that, being like, it just, it was what it was. And I was so mad about it for so long. But it was a nice way to kind of like, wrap that up and be like, it wasn't just me. I wasn't the victim in that situation. Like, it happened to us all.

• 11:38Bunnie XO?

  Oh, that's, that's actually a really cool perspective, though, because most people would internalize that and be like, I was picked on and victimize themselves. And you were like, no, actually, they did it to everybody. So you guys didn't have any control of what was getting put out there.

• 11:51Speaker 03

  Nothing. Nothing.

• 11:53Bunnie XO?

  I feel like reality TV back in the day did that to everybody. Like, you signed your life and rights away as a human. And what they wanted to present you as was what you were gonna be known as.

• 12:03Speaker 03

  Yep, I know. Because, you know, it was one of the first reality shows. So we didn't know what we were signing up for. And, you know, even things like, they would have us just record wild lines, just lines, and they could splice them in wherever they wanted. And so, in a sense, I mean, we kind of had an idea of what they were doing. Because we're like, well, obviously, I didn't say this. But you're having me say it into a microphone, so you're clearly gonna use it somewhere. So we knew that they were manipulating it to a degree. But until we actually saw it, we had no idea what was going on.

• 12:33Bunnie XO?

  And you guys were kids.

• 12:35Speaker 03

  I was 17.

• 12:35Bunnie XO?

  Did you guys' parents have any say so in any of that?

• 12:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, our parents had to sign off on it. My mom had a lot of reservations, but I wasn't living with her at the time. So it kind of didn't matter. My dad was on board with it. So, yeah, I know.

• 12:49Bunnie XO?

  You know what, look at where you are now.

• 12:50Speaker 03

  No, it's all good. It's all good. Yeah, I'm happy. I'm happy my mom didn't stop it, you know. But it was, it was hard to deal with at that age, just because it's hard enough being a teenager, you know. And then, having your lives being manipulated when it's your real boyfriend, your real friend, it just gets really... Just really messy, quite honestly, so.

• 13:09Bunnie XO?

  Was it, how real was it though? Because you know, reality TV back then wasn't quite real. Didn't they give you guys plots and like, or was it genuine?

• 13:18Speaker 03

  Well, so Laguna Beach was more put us in situations and then kind of see what happens, knowing that a particular situation is gonna probably press my buttons or, you know, this is not the group of people I would normally hang out with, kind of a thing. Let's have Kristen's boyfriend go up to this other girl's house, even though they're dating. And so situations that they know is gonna piss us off.

• 13:41Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 13:41Speaker 03

  But I don't think any show is 100% real. I think it's impossible to have a show. Even if you have cameras on you 24/7, like Jersey Shore, for example, they still have to edit it down into a 42-episode or whatever it is.

• 13:58Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, 30-minute episodes for.

• 14:00Speaker 03

  Right. And so there's no way that something can be 100% real. You just, there's no way to capture all of that.

• 14:07Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

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• 14:52Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely. We have your birth chart right here.

• 14:55Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 14:56Bunnie XO?

  So you are a Capricorn sun, you're an Aries moon, because I can see it in you.

• 15:00Speaker 03

  Oh, you were right.

• 15:00Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, totally. And you're a Capricorn rising, so your mercury is Capricorn, wait.

• 15:06Speaker 03

  Yep, Capricorn. Why did I think I had cancer?

• 15:08Bunnie XO?

  Your Venus is Scorpio, ooh, so you're a lover.

• 15:11Speaker 03

  Oh, that makes sense.

• 15:12Bunnie XO?

  You're a lover, baby. I love that Pisces, Pisces. A lot of cap. You have a Capricorn stellium in you, baby. You have one,

• 15:21Speaker 03

  Okay, wow.

• 15:22Bunnie XO?

  Three. Does she have three or four planets in Capricorn? Three planets in Capricorn. Yeah. So that's a stellium.

• 15:27Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 15:27Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. So you're a hardcore cap, baby.

• 15:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, I could have told you that.

• 15:31Bunnie XO?

  But I could see the Aries moon in you because I'm an Aries moon too, and we're just so fiery.

• 15:35Speaker 03

  Yes. Okay. So the Aries is the fiery.

• 15:37Bunnie XO?

  Well, and Cap too.

• 15:38Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 15:39Bunnie XO?

  Cap is Earth, but also the Aries part of it too is just, it all, I'll have to sit down and explain birth charts.

• 15:46Speaker 03

  Okay, I love this.

• 15:47Bunnie XO?

  End of that. But I just feel like astrology really tells people like who they are. It's like, it's a love language.

• 15:53Speaker 03

  Totally. I believe in all this stuff. I love it.

• 15:55Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, do you?

• 15:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:57Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 15:57Speaker 03

  That.

• 15:57Bunnie XO?

  We'll have to, I'll have to start sending you stuff.

• 15:59Speaker 03

  Okay, yes.

• 16:00Bunnie XO?

  I'm totally into that. So moving on from the hills and all that stuff, are you friends with anybody still from the cast?

• 16:06Speaker 03

  I mean, I still talk to pretty much everybody and the rewatch podcast kind of brought us all back together, which was really fun.

• 16:13Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 16:13Speaker 03

  And I have my 20 year high school reunion coming up in the fall. And so I can't, I can't wait.

• 16:19Bunnie XO?

  Are you excited?

• 16:20Speaker 03

  I'm so excited.

• 16:21Bunnie XO?

  The hottest one there going back there.

• 16:24Speaker 03

  No, I don't know. Everyone in Laguna Beach still looks really good. There's something in the water.

• 16:27Bunnie XO?

  I'm telling you, the west coast girls are just.

• 16:30Speaker 03

  It's true. That's sunshine, baby. I do think it's good for you.

• 16:33Bunnie XO?

  I'm from Vegas and we were always in Cali. Like we, Vegas girls and Cali girls kind of like, we all just.

• 16:40Speaker 03

  Well, that's like, we were always in Vegas because it's so easy. We would, we'd have nights where we're like, let's just go to Vegas. Fuck it.

• 16:45Bunnie XO?

  Half hour flight.

• 16:46Speaker 03

  Oh my God, it's so easy.

• 16:47Bunnie XO?

  You know how many coked out trips I took on a flight?

• 16:52Bunnie XO?

  Bro, being locked on a plane.

• 16:55Speaker 03

  We would drive too.

• 16:56Bunnie XO?

  Oh, I couldn't do it.

• 16:57Speaker 03

  Let's just fucking drive.

• 16:58Bunnie XO?

  Fuck. Three hours. I couldn't do it. Three and a half hours locked in a car.

• 17:02Speaker 03

  Oh, train wreck. Yeah.

• 17:03Bunnie XO?

  Fucking cracked out of my mind. There's no, I've done it, but there's just, I could now, I could never.

• 17:08Speaker 03

  Could never.

• 17:09Bunnie XO?

  No way.

• 17:10Speaker 03

  No. No.

• 17:13Bunnie XO?

  Dude, I look back. We just got some pictures from my best friend who passed away. Her sister sent me a bunch of pictures of us. And there's one of me in there that's like methed out.

• 17:21Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 17:22Bunnie XO?

  Girl, where are my eyebrows?

• 17:23Speaker 03

  I know. Well, I was the same way. I had no eyebrows and I fucked them up forever now.

• 17:29Bunnie XO?

  I had to see, no, your eyebrows look fucking good.

• 17:31Speaker 03

  Well, they're fitted.

• 17:32Bunnie XO?

  Mine are too, but yours like, like you have hair. I can't even fucking grow a fucking eyebrow back.

• 17:37Speaker 03

  Okay. You know what I'm going to tell you? Castor oil. Do you ever put castor oil on them?

• 17:40Bunnie XO?

  I tried it on my belly button and it made me feel weird.

• 17:43Speaker 03

  I put it in my belly.

• 17:45Bunnie XO?

  I can't do it. It made me feel weird. So I get scared now. I'm so sensitive.

• 17:50Speaker 03

  I rub it all over my stomach.

• 17:52Bunnie XO?

  And it works for you? Do you love it?

• 17:53Speaker 03

  And I put it on my face, too.

• 17:55Bunnie XO?

  I tried to do the castor oil thing because I wanted to be like the castor oil girlies too. And it just made me, I woke up the next day. I'm such a sensitive like girly now because of all the fucking shit I did in my past.

• 18:06Speaker 03

  Well, yeah.

• 18:06Bunnie XO?

  So like now I can't. It's like I used to fucking snort eight balls and now I can't even use castor oil.

• 18:10Speaker 03

  Right?

• 18:10Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, it's fucked up.

• 18:12Speaker 03

  It is fucked up.

• 18:13Bunnie XO?

  No, it's fucking, it's bullshit, dude. Anyways, moving on from the castor oil packs. How did you take, so you did Laguna Beach, you did the hills, and then after that, did you want to stay in reality TV? Or was that more of like your exit out?

• 18:29Speaker 03

  I was like, get me the fuck out. And I think more than reality TV, just living in LA and feeling like I was, my life felt really claustrophobic because at that point I had paparazzi on me every single day.

• 18:41Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 18:42Speaker 03

  So every time I wanted to leave my house, whether it be just run to Walgreens or whatever, I'd have to be like, fuck, am I gonna have to deal with this? And, you know, this is before social media. So the tabloid world was just ruthless.

• 18:56Bunnie XO?

  It was so bad back then.

• 18:57Speaker 03

  It was really bad. And I was on the cover of fucking every magazine. It seemed like every other week for some bullshit I didn't do or like saying I need to go to rehab and all this shit. I just, I had sort of hit my wall and I really wanted out of LA.

• 19:10Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 19:11Speaker 03

  It wasn't even so much like, it wasn't even, I wanted to be done with an entertainment career. I knew I wanted to be done with reality TV, but it was more like, I gotta get the fuck out of LA for my own sanity. And I actually met my ex-husband a month after we wrapped the hills.

• 19:25Bunnie XO?

  Oh, wow. So Jay came in that?

• 19:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:28Bunnie XO?

  Are we allowed to say his name?

• 19:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, we can totally say his name. Yeah, I met him when I was 23, a month after we wrapped the hills and it just sort of naturally got me out of LA, which was great.

• 19:36Bunnie XO?

  Oh, that's how it was with Jay, when I met my Jay was literally, it got me out of Vegas. If I would have stayed in Vegas, I would have killed myself.

• 19:44Speaker 03

  Right? That's how I felt like in LA.

• 19:46Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 19:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know. It's kind of cool how, you know, when you really want something, how the universe just sort of delivers it when you're ready.

• 19:53Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely. All you gotta do is ask and the universe will grab it.

• 19:56Speaker 03

  It's true.

• 19:56Bunnie XO?

  So you meet Jay. How, Tom, take me on that journey with you guys' relationship.

• 20:02Speaker 03

  So Jay, a year prior, I got a call from my publicist and he said that Jay Cutler wanted to fly me to Chicago and take me on a date. And I didn't know who Jay was. So I Googled him and I was like, I mean, I don't, I was like, whatever. I don't know. So I said,

• 20:17Bunnie XO?

  I didn't know who Jay was till he was on your show.

• 20:18Speaker 03

  I love you.

• 20:20Bunnie XO?

  I knew who you were. I didn't know who Jay was.

• 20:22Speaker 03

  Yeah. So I said, no. So, okay, fine. So a year later, I was visiting my mom who happened to still live there. And I was going to a Bears preseason game with my cousin who was Bears obsessed. I totally forgot Jay even asked me out. My mom brought it up. And my cousin was like, what the fuck? You're such an idiot. Jay's the man. You've got to go out with him. So I ended up getting us family passes to meet Jay after the game, thinking it was going to make my cousin's life. I would probably never talk to this guy ever again. And he walked in and I was like, oh, shit, he's cuter than I thought he was going to be. And

• 20:54Bunnie XO?

  When he asked you out, how did he ask you out?

• 20:56Speaker 03

  Well, it was through my publicist.

• 20:57Bunnie XO?

  Okay, gotcha.

• 20:58Speaker 03

  So it was never, we never had any interaction.

• 21:00Bunnie XO?

  Got you.

• 21:00Speaker 03

  So he walked in, he was really cute. He was very smart because he kind of like won my mom over, was talking to my mom the whole time. He drove us to our car and then he texted me immediately. And he was like, something about like, well, you got to come back or something. And then I think I came back like a week later. And then it was like, that was it. We moved really fast.

• 21:21Bunnie XO?

  No, I love relationships like that, though.

• 21:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 21:23Bunnie XO?

  You know, granted, you know, you guys have gone your separate ways, but I still feel like a moment in time, that moment in time was what you needed and it was like magical.

• 21:32Speaker 03

  Yeah. And he was, he was exactly what I was looking for at the time. And again, I mean, I was 23. I think I was a baby, you know, like hindsight is 2020. I don't regret a damn thing, though. I mean, there's so much good that came out of our relationship. And ultimately, not only did I get my kids and it got me out to Franklin, Tennessee, and you know, all these great things, but it forced me to figure out my shit and grow up and do the work that I needed to do. And so I'm really thankful for that as well.

• 22:01Bunnie XO?

  What do you, what would you say was kind of, I don't want to use the word downfall because that's heavy, but what, what do you think?

• 22:09Bunnie XO?

  Was part of the reason for the relationship unraveling?

• 22:12Speaker 03

  Um, so, uh, Jay and I always had a tough relationship, even from the very beginning. And I think, um, I'm really careful about what I say, obviously, because we have three kids together.

• 22:28Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely.

• 22:29Speaker 03

  But I think-

• 22:29Bunnie XO?

  And we can always cut things out, too.

• 22:31Speaker 03

  Yeah. Um, I just, I haven't talked about him in so many years. I've like, I made a vow. I was like, I'm done talking about him. But I'm happy to talk about it. It's just, I'm trying to think about like, the best way to say it because, you know, I think, um, it, things were just never good. And we tried really hard. I will say, like, we really did everything that we could. And ultimately, I had to make a decision of taking care of myself and putting myself first. And especially as a mom and having these three little kids, I really wanted my kids to see me happy and see that I was making myself a priority and taking care of myself.

• 23:14Speaker 03

  Um, especially now having a daughter too. I think that's so important.

• 23:18Bunnie XO?

  It is so important because I feel like when parents stay together and they're miserable, that causes more fucking trauma for the kids.

• 23:25Speaker 03

  1,000%.

• 23:27Bunnie XO?

  Than just seeing healthy co-parenting.

• 23:29Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. Because what you're teaching your kids then is A, stay in something because you're fucking miserable.

• 23:34Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 23:34Speaker 03

  And B, they have no idea now what a healthy relationship looks like. And it just, if you can't be your best self, that obviously trickles down to your kids. And you take out your hurt and your sadness on your kids, it's just such a negative, toxic environment.

• 23:50Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 23:50Speaker 03

  And, you know, as soon as I got out of my marriage, um, I remember even my mom saying to me like, shit, I had no idea how bad it was. But like, I was a shell of who I was and immediately I got my spark back.

• 24:02Bunnie XO?

  I love that for you.

• 24:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:04Bunnie XO?

  When you say that it was bad, was it just polar opposites or was it arguing? Like, what was it that was so bad?

• 24:11Speaker 03

  It was just, it was toxic, you know? And I think because I hadn't done the work with, on myself and-

• 24:17Bunnie XO?

  You were a baby too.

• 24:17Speaker 03

  I was a fucking baby. Like, I didn't know any better.

• 24:20Bunnie XO?

  How old was he when you guys got together?

• 24:21Speaker 03

  He was, um-

• 24:24Speaker 03

  I think he had, I think he was 28, 27 or 28.

• 24:27Bunnie XO?

  So you guys were both young.

• 24:28Speaker 03

  We were both young.

• 24:30Bunnie XO?

  That's young love. I feel like the first, like the first love or the first young love like that where you get married or something like, is like toxic, you know?

• 24:37Speaker 03

  Hundred percent.

• 24:37Bunnie XO?

  You guys don't know how to fucking navigate life. I know how I was a fucking 23. I'm sorry to anybody whose paths had to cross with mine in that era of my life.

• 24:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:48Bunnie XO?

  Because I was just a shit show.

• 24:49Speaker 03

  Like you shouldn't be allowed to get married before age 30, quite honestly.

• 24:52Bunnie XO?

  I agree.

• 24:53Speaker 03

  You shouldn't be allowed to.

• 24:54Bunnie XO?

  I agree.

• 24:55Speaker 03

  You don't know who the fuck you are at that age.

• 24:56Bunnie XO?

  Bro, I swear, I 100% agree.

• 24:59Speaker 03

  I know it. But yeah, but so the thing is, I was repeating a pattern with my dad, you know? And because I hadn't done the work on my relationship with my dad, that's what you do, you know? I ended up marrying my dad. And so it really forced me then to work through my shit, which is, which is what I did. So when we got a divorce, for the last almost five years, quite honestly, it's, I've really taken the time to like, get my shit together so that I don't then make the same mistake.

• 25:26Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 25:27Speaker 03

  I don't want to say mistake, that's not the right word, but I don't want to be repeating that pattern.

• 25:31Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely.

• 25:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:32Bunnie XO?

  For sure. And they do always say that if, unless you do the work, you will meet the same person, the same human in different bodies until you learn that lesson.

• 25:40Speaker 03

  Over and over again.

• 25:41Bunnie XO?

  Over and over again. So what we saw of Jay on Very Cavallari, because when did Very Cavallari come into the picture? Did you start Uncommon James first?

• 25:51Speaker 03

  I did, but they were pretty close together. Um, Very Cavallari must have been 2017, I want to say. Or is that right? Yeah, because we did three seasons and it ended in 2020. So yeah. Yeah, 2017.

• 26:05Bunnie XO?

  How did Uncommon James come about?

• 26:08Speaker 03

  So I had a shoe line with Chinese Laundry. Do you remember that?

• 26:11Bunnie XO?

  I do. I loved all their shoes.

• 26:13Speaker 03

  My, my brand growing up. So I had a shoe line with them and I loved it, but because I was doing shoes with them, I wanted to do something on my own and I felt like jewelry was the next natural step. I love accessories. I think they make or break your outfit. So I, um, well, I had this fire in me to show everybody that I knew what I was doing in the branding world. Because with Chinese Laundry, at the end of the day, while I had final say, I didn't really, because it was a whole team of people. This is a well-established company. And I learned to trust my gut. I knew my customer. And so I had this fire in me of like, I'm gonna show everyone that I know what I'm doing in the branding world. So I launched Uncommon James out of our house. And at the time, I was essentially a stay-at-home mom. Like, I did little things.

• 26:57Speaker 03

  I would host these big award shows, these pre-shows for E on the red carpets. But other than that, I was basically a stay-at-home mom. And so I just honestly wanted something to do also.

• 27:09Bunnie XO?

  And probably set yourself apart from the reality star.

• 27:12Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 27:12Bunnie XO?

  You know, because you've grown. You've had a baby by now. You're married. It's like,

• 27:16Speaker 03

  I wanted like my own thing. Yeah. And so, launched it. And then I knew, because, you know, I had been offered a million reality shows, obviously, like, you know, coming off of Laguna Beach in the hills, I knew I could always fall back on that if I needed to. But I wanted to do a show similar to Vanderpump Rules and have it be about Uncommon James. So pitched it to E, and they were like, we'll do it if you're on it more. So I had to get Jay on board then, and I had to get one of my friends on board. And then, yeah, we did it. And I did it-

• 27:48Bunnie XO?

  One of your friends being Kelly?

• 27:50Speaker 03

  Yes. And we, yeah, we can talk about that. Yeah. And she, or so, so we, we did the show. And honestly, the only reason I did it was for Uncommon James. Best decision I've ever made for the company. But I also, because I was an executive producer, I had such a different experience doing Very Cavallari. And the producers really looked at me like an equal. I was involved in every creative conversation. I always knew what was going on. And it was, that aspect of it was such an enjoyable experience. It was a great way for me to end my reality TV career, just with such a positive taste in my mouth. So I was really, really happy that I ended up doing it.

• 28:29Bunnie XO?

  That's amazing. So did you actually get a say-so on what was aired?

• 28:32Speaker 03

  I was able to get shit taken out. I was, I mean, like, yeah.

• 28:36Bunnie XO?

  I mean, it was juicy. There was a lot of drama under it. I watched it.

• 28:40Speaker 03

  It could have been way better.

• 28:42Bunnie XO?

  I'm like, I don't know. I thought you- You guys did a great fucking job.

• 28:45Speaker 03

  I think I think it could have been better. I think it could have been funnier. I wanted it to be like, I mean, and there were definitely Jay was very funny on the show.

• 28:52Bunnie XO?

  Well, he was. He was hit or miss. He was either really funny or it was like, what is going on with this guy?

• 28:57Speaker 03

  Well, and I mean, you should have seen the shit that got edited out. There was one time we were filming and we were fighting so bad. The camera guys were like, okay, cameras down, like, everyone take a break.

• 29:08Bunnie XO?

  Oh, shit.

• 29:08Speaker 03

  But they can't show that because they wanted Jay and I to seem like we were perfect, you know, or like had this great relationship.

• 29:13Bunnie XO?

  Um, you could pick up on the tension, though. You could feel it.

• 29:16Speaker 03

  I think you could too. Like now, obviously, we got divorced pretty quickly thereafter. I think people then could kind of see the cracks, you know? But they tried to do a really good job of showing us in a very positive light.

• 29:26Bunnie XO?

  You don't have a good, I'm, you're, I'm the same way. You don't have a good poker face. If you're pissed off.

• 29:30Speaker 03

  I can't bullshit, man. It's like, I gotta be real.

• 29:33Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, there was a couple of times I was like, she's pissed at him. Like, you could feel the energy on it because I, I watched Barry Cavill Larry too.

• 29:40Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, I, the whole time that we were doing that show, I was really unhappy, really unhappy in my marriage. And that was sort of like, well, that was a distraction probably also, you know? At that point, I was throwing myself into so much work stuff.

• 29:53Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 29:54Speaker 03

  That I was, it was all a distraction.

• 29:56Bunnie XO?

  Do you feel like the drama from the show overshadowed the brand of Uncommon James?

• 30:01Speaker 03

  No, because what it did for the company was insane. I mean, you can't buy that kind of marketing overnight. It just catapulted us to the next level and it just, it set Uncommon James up honestly to something I never even could have imagined. And so, and still, I mean, we continue to grow and, and I really do think it's because of the show initially. I really do. So, no.

• 30:26Bunnie XO?

  No, I agree. I couldn't agree more. No, I mean, what is it? What do they say? All news is good news or something like that?

• 30:31Speaker 03

  All press is good press. Exactly. Like, fuck it. Which sometimes it's hard to, hard to wrap my head around, but yeah.

• 30:36Bunnie XO?

  We're learning, yeah, we're learning that now. We're new into the, the fame thing. So there's a couple, like, we go viral for some things that we've said in like, 2020 and it's like, we're not even, we're not even those fucking people anymore.

• 30:48Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 30:48Bunnie XO?

  You're like, let us grow, let us grow. But the internet will, man, that will just hold you to who you were at that moment in time.

• 30:54Speaker 03

  They hold on to everything.

• 30:55Bunnie XO?

  And they like to bring it back and rerun it. And you're just like, what is fucking happening?

• 31:00Speaker 03

  God, I know. Like, let's see you five years ago, what you were doing.

• 31:04Bunnie XO?

  Literally, let's shake those skeletons.

• 31:06Speaker 03

  Let's go there.

• 31:07Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, for sure. Where do you get the inspiration for Uncommon James? Like for the jewelry and you have clothes too, correct?

• 31:13Speaker 03

  So we do, we're primarily jewelry and actually now we have skincare. We've got merch, like we've got sweats and t-shirts and shit. Yeah, but I wouldn't say we do clothing. Um, but so for the jewelry, it just depends. I find that whatever's kind of going on in my life is where I'm pulling inspiration from. So, I mean, you know, like during COVID, it was like, I was doing a collection about adventure. Like when we could, you know, when the world started opening up again, like what we would be doing, like a daydreaming collection. Um, I was in Greece this past summer and that inspired a whole collection. So it just kind of depends on whatever's happening in my life.

• 31:45Bunnie XO?

  I love that. So it's like just little glimpses of where you're at in your life.

• 31:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 31:49Bunnie XO?

  You'll be able to look back on your collections and be like, okay, I did this when I was here. And I did this when I was with this person and like, yeah.

• 31:56Speaker 03

  Well, and so my daughter is a sailor. She has a collection coming out in, I think it's April, but we designed it last New Year's, actually, when we were at the beach. And so like, and that's really sweet. And it's all, you know, this beach theme and stuff. So, yeah, it is, it is kind of like a little scrapbook in a lot of ways of like, yeah, what, where I was at in my life. It is fun.

• 32:15Bunnie XO?

  I love that for you.

• 32:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:16Bunnie XO?

  Moving on to the very Cavallari drama that had happened, you had your best friend, Kelly Henderson on the show.

• 32:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:23Bunnie XO?

  You guys had been friends for a really long time, correct?

• 32:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, we had known each other, uh, well, actually we met in 2010 when Jay and I started dating, but we didn't become close until a couple of years later. But yes, I mean, we definitely were friends for a while.

• 32:37Bunnie XO?

  What happened on the show? Was that, was it a storyline or was that really unfolding?

• 32:44Speaker 03

  No, that was real. So, so what happened was, um, so I think it was season two. Uh, people started saying that it seemed like Jay and Kelly were having an affair.

• 32:57Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 32:57Speaker 03

  And I actually was completely oblivious to any, any of that. But then I remember being like, wait, what the fuck? And like really starting to pay attention to it. And I was like, I never once thought that anything was going on. I, I stand by that. I don't, I don't think anything happened, but my issue was how Kelly was handling it and adding fuel to the fire and sort of taking advantage of it for her own benefit. And I said something to her and it just blew up in my face. I mean, I will always stand by the fact that if a friend came to me and said, "Hey, listen, here's how your actions made me feel," I would go, "Holy shit, that was not my intention. I am so sorry. Let's talk about this." And this is relationships too, but when people can't

• 33:42Speaker 03

  take any accountability and turn it around and throw it in in your face, like I don't, I can't do that. You know what I'm saying? And I've had a lot of experience with that. That's actually like a huge thing for me moving forward with all of my friendships, relationships, whatever, is accountability is so fucking huge.

• 34:00Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 34:00Speaker 03

  And it's really hard for a lot of people.

• 34:02Bunnie XO?

  Preach it, sister. Clip that, Jason.

• 34:06Bunnie XO?

  That's a good one.

• 34:07Speaker 03

  That is a good one. But it's, I just, I'm at a point in my life where, because there's no, I can't do anything with that then, right? Like this is how I feel. And if you can't acknowledge that, well then I don't, I can't move on.

• 34:20Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 34:20Speaker 03

  So that's basically what happened.

• 34:23Bunnie XO?

  So the rumors were that they were having an affair. You never once thought like, "This is possibly true." Like where does a rumor like that come around from?

• 34:32Speaker 03

  Well, it was because of how she was with him. She definitely, uh, she was crossing the line and and then like the way she would talk about him on social media, it was just, it was always adding fuel to it where I was like, "Wait, what the fuck is actually going on?"

• 34:48Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 34:48Speaker 03

  But no, I really, I really don't think anything happened. I mean, fuck, I don't know, to be honest with you. Like, do I know for sure? No. And Jay used to trash her, which I now sort of think if a guy is trashing a girl, it's because there's

• 35:00Bunnie XO?

  100%.

• 35:01Speaker 03

  Probably something going on. And I did

• 35:03Bunnie XO?

  Did you ever confront him? Like, "Hey, is this really going on?"

• 35:06Speaker 03

  He walked, you know, hand in hand with me during that whole thing, but you know, uh, when you're dealing with a pathological liar, it's hard to know what the fucking truth is. There are things from my marriage that I will never know. Um, and I've just sort of had to let that go. You know what I mean? It's, I'm, I'm over it now and I can, that's why I can probably talk about it so freely, but

• 35:31Bunnie XO?

  Such an amazing thing for you to say, though, that you can talk about it freely now because there's a lot of women who have gone through divorces also that never got the apologies that they deserved.

• 35:42Speaker 03

  And a lot of times you won't. I never did and I never will.

• 35:46Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 35:46Speaker 03

  But you have to do it for you. You know what I mean? You have to forgive them. And because at the end of the day, people who are lying to you or who are cheating or whatever the situation may be, that's because they're hurt.

• 35:58Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 35:58Speaker 03

  That's about them. Like that has nothing to do with me. And so when you can get to that place and almost have empathy for those people and realize how much they're struggling, like it's, it's not about me. So I, I forgive.

• 36:10Bunnie XO?

  Big of you.

• 36:11Speaker 03

  Kelly, I forgive Jay for anything that he did. Like I just, anyone in my life, my dad even, I've, I have empathy for my dad because I understand why my dad is the way he is. I can have empathy and forgive these people and still not have them in my life. You know, those two things can coexist.

• 36:26Bunnie XO?

  If Kelly, has Kelly tried to apologize to you?

• 36:29Speaker 03

  No. And in fact, I saw her one time at the airport and she fucking bolted. I was like, I could give you a big hug right now and be like, whatever, you know, like I don't hold grudges. But that just tells me she hasn't worked through it. She's still holding on to that. So.

• 36:42Bunnie XO?

  That's, that's rough, man. Because it's, it also at the same time makes her look really guilty. Like of something like, why can't you just face me? Like, I'm not even with this dude anymore.

• 36:52Speaker 03

  A hundred percent.

• 36:53Bunnie XO?

  Never let a man get in between a friendship type of situation. Girl code.

• 36:56Speaker 03

  Girl code. Like, what? That is like, I can't even wrap my head around that.

• 37:02Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. So you're, you are on this TV show. You know, you're doing your last hurrah off with reality TV, as you said, and then, you know, all this blows up. What happened with Shannon Ford? Are you guys friends now?

• 37:17Speaker 03

  I've seen her. Yeah, we're, we're totally cool.

• 37:19Bunnie XO?

  You guys are good now? Okay. Cause I remember that was a whole thing too.

• 37:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:22Bunnie XO?

  Um, you're going through all of this and then you and Jay are headed for divorce. You guys get this divorce. What, how are you feeling in that moment? Like?

• 37:31Speaker 03

  Oh, that was such a crazy time. I felt so many different things.

• 37:37Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 37:37Speaker 03

  I mean, it was everything from. Such a weight being lifted to feeling like I could finally breathe.

• 37:45Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 37:45Speaker 03

  To being so fucking devastated that I, that I was tearing up our family. You know, obviously coming from divorced parents, the last thing I ever wanted was a divorce. So, and, and I won't lie to you, that still will creep up once in a while. Christmas, I felt that. I got really sad Christmas Eve because I was like, it just sucks that we're not together as a family. I don't want to be back with Jay at all, but it's that, that family unit, you know? That bums me out sometimes.

• 38:14Bunnie XO?

  Do you guys think you could ever do a Christmas together eventually? How are you guys co-parenting right now?

• 38:19Speaker 03

  Um, it's, it's been so up and down.

• 38:23Bunnie XO?

  Well, I should not shocking because I mean, we've seen Jay's behavior.

• 38:27Speaker 03

  Zero fucking consistency, which is really hard.

• 38:30Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, you poor baby.

• 38:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, it has not been easy to say the least. Um, you know, we sat together at a basketball game earlier in the year and I was like, holy fuck. This is the best thing that's ever happened.

• 38:45Bunnie XO?

  You're like, I'll fucking take it, the bare minimum.

• 38:47Speaker 03

  We made it. Wow, we can sit next to each other. Um, and we haven't sat together since, so I'm fucking up.

• 38:55Bunnie XO?

  Jay, come on, baby.

• 38:56Speaker 03

  What the fuck?

• 38:57Bunnie XO?

  Let's get it together.

• 38:58Speaker 03

  It's a, it's a bumpy road. So I'm going to say probably no Christmases together, which is fine. It's, and to be honest, that's not even what I want. It's, you know, it's just, um, I think when you go through a divorce and you have kids, like there are those moments where you're like, it's a bummer just because you don't want that. But there's also a lot of good, of course, that came out of that. And I think even for my kids, you know, it's going to make them stronger. Like there's, I could list a thousand things of why it's positive, but I do have those moments, but, um.

• 39:29Bunnie XO?

  In that, in that moment, uh, you know, going through the divorce, just wrapping a reality show.

• 39:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:35Bunnie XO?

  How were you feeling? Like even getting back into like the dating scene.

• 39:38Speaker 03

  That was easy for me.

• 39:41Speaker 03

  That was like riding a bike.

• 39:42Bunnie XO?

  We're gonna get there, baby. We're gonna get there, sister.

• 39:44Speaker 03

  That was a piece of cake. Well, you know what it was? I think so. I actually immediately started dating someone. And then I went from that to another thing immediately. And so for the first year I was like, woo, having fun. I'm free. I'm dating. I'm like getting my spark back, like just fucking loving life, quite honestly. And then Jay and I actually went on a couple of dates. Um, yeah, we went on a couple of dates trying to see if like, cause ah man, it's fucking hard. And I think unless you've gone through this, especially with a toxic marriage, it's like, it has this hold on you. And until you can like,

• 40:20Bunnie XO?

  Trauma bond almost.

• 40:21Speaker 03

  It's a fucking trauma bond. And until you can really break that, I would go back a couple of times and be like, but I know it's not right, but like, why am I doing it? But so we did, we went on a couple of dates. And then after I finally, you know, for the 18th millionth time was like, I can't do this. Um, then I really did the work. And then it like, I had lonely times. I had sad times. It was really hard for me then to meet someone. Like I dated, but I didn't meet anyone that I liked for a really long time.

• 40:49Bunnie XO?

  Because you're in the process of healing and you're just like, ew, like you get the ick so easy.

• 40:53Speaker 03

  So easy, which is a good thing, you know? Um, but yeah, then I, then I had to really, you know, get real with myself and do the healing journey. So it was, it was good.

• 41:04Bunnie XO?

  What's a wellness like ritual that you do for yourself, like to ground yourself?

• 41:09Speaker 03

  I mean, I really do love meditating.

• 41:11Bunnie XO?

  Me too.

• 41:12Speaker 03

  I don't do it as much as I would like to, but when I do it, it's fucking powerful.

• 41:16Bunnie XO?

  I just started doing sauna. I just started.

• 41:18Speaker 03

  Yes. Do you meditate in the sauna?

• 41:19Bunnie XO?

  That's my new thing.

• 41:20Speaker 03

  That's what I do.

• 41:21Bunnie XO?

  I just started doing it.

• 41:22Speaker 03

  It's the best.

• 41:23Bunnie XO?

  It's the best. Because you can't take your phone in there. Like I just set mine outside and I just kind of like sit in there for a half hour and just zone out. Yeah.

• 41:30Speaker 03

  It's the best.

• 41:31Bunnie XO?

  And you feel so good after you do it.

• 41:33Speaker 03

  Well, they say it literally changes your vibration. Like it literally, you know, yeah. So I, I do love it. Um, what else do I do? I actually have these oracle cards too. I like pulling oracle cards.

• 41:44Bunnie XO?

  Oh, I love that for you.

• 41:45Speaker 03

  It's just kind of fun. I got tarot cards too. I think I'm like a fucking medium all of a sudden.

• 41:49Bunnie XO?

  You're like our little gypsy over there.

• 41:51Speaker 03

  Like reading them for all my friends.

• 41:52Bunnie XO?

  I would let you read my tarot cards.

• 41:54Speaker 03

  I would love to read your tarot cards.

• 41:56Bunnie XO?

  Let's do it. We'll have to do that. Like I'm coming over for dinner just so you can read my tarot cards.

• 42:00Speaker 03

  Go.

• 42:01Bunnie XO?

  So you've written books, you've built businesses and you're raising a family. How do you define success for yourself these days?

• 42:10Speaker 03

  I love that question. Success, I think, is inner peace. Quite honestly, like, period. It's that simple. But I think.

• 42:18Bunnie XO?

  There's no, there's no, peace is priceless.

• 42:21Speaker 03

  That's the thing. And I think, you know, what we were talking about earlier, like, when your whole life has not been peaceful, I value it so much. And I've, I feel lucky because I've gotten to a place where I've been able to sort of like, curate my life to be exactly what I want. You know, the, my podcast that I'm doing, Uncommon James, everything's on my terms. I'm my own boss. I can work when I want to work. My kids are always my priority. And if I want to take a week off and go fuck around, I can. And that for me is heaven. So I feel very, very lucky.

• 42:52Bunnie XO?

  You're like a phoenix that rose after that, you know, that rises through the ashes.

• 42:56Speaker 03

  Phoenix rising. Yeah. Thanks. That's how I feel.

• 42:59Bunnie XO?

  No, listen, girl, you're a warrior. And, you know, real recognize real. I get it, man. It's when you go through so much, like, just tragedy and bullshit in the beginning of your life, all you want now is peace. Like, you can ask my girls, I don't fucking even want, if it's not fucking me, feeding me, or financing me, I don't fucking care.

• 43:18Speaker 03

  Amen, baby.

• 43:19Bunnie XO?

  About what the fuck has you got going on? You want to come to me with some bullshit? Take it elsewhere. I do not care.

• 43:23Speaker 03

  No time for that.

• 43:25Bunnie XO?

  So, you know, after the divorce, you said that it was really easy for you to start dating.

• 43:31Speaker 03

  Here we go.

• 43:34Speaker 03

  I love that little smile on your face.

• 43:36Bunnie XO?

  Because you already know it's coming, baby.

• 43:38Speaker 03

  I know. Let's go. Let's go, babe.

• 43:40Bunnie XO?

  Was one of those men happened to be Morgan Wallen?

• 43:43Speaker 03

  How did I know?

• 43:46Bunnie XO?

  Because you dropped a bomb and the entire internet went insane. What was your, was your friend Justin Anderson?

• 43:52Speaker 03

  Our suspect video.

• 43:54Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 43:55Speaker 03

  Oh, God.

• 43:56Bunnie XO?

  Can we elaborate on this? Because, you know, and I have to, I have to navigate this.

• 44:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, you guys know Morgan.

• 44:04Bunnie XO?

  I will see, here's the thing. I've seen Morgan numerous times. I've only hugged him. I've never had a conversation with him. My husband and him are friends and they love, my husband is like, that's my bubba.

• 44:13Speaker 03

  He's a good, yeah, and he, Morgan's a good guy. I do, he has a big heart. He really does.

• 44:18Bunnie XO?

  He's a playa from the Himalayas.

• 44:19Speaker 03

  Thousand percent.

• 44:20Bunnie XO?

  The amount of women that have sat on my couch that have been with Morgan Wallen is crazy.

• 44:24Speaker 03

  He's been with every woman on the planet. So that, and that was the thing.

• 44:27Bunnie XO?

  As he should, he's single.

• 44:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, he absolutely should. I mean, yeah, yes, I, I definitely hung out with Morgan. Um, Morgan is, he's very sweet. Here's what I'll tell you is the first date that we went on, he was a true gentleman and he was like, I'll pick you up, I'll pick the place, like just fucking handled business. He came and picked me up. He met my kids. My kids were so excited.

• 44:52Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 44:52Speaker 03

  It was so cute. We, he got us a private room. You know, he had like his bodyguard and whatnot and um, dropped me off. He kissed me in the rain and it was like the sweetest thing. And then we hung out thereafter and it was, I will say, it was a very, um, that was up and down too. It was just like, it was a lot. Yeah.

• 45:15Bunnie XO?

  They always say you'll find the same person in different bodies.

• 45:18Speaker 03

  So that's true. But yeah, I love Morgan. I haven't talked to him in probably a year. Um, but I, I have nothing but good things to say about him.

• 45:26Bunnie XO?

  Was he romantic?

• 45:28Speaker 03

  Um.

• 45:33Bunnie XO?

  I've heard he's great in bed.

• 45:35Speaker 03

  He was good in bed.

• 45:36Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. We got another one to confirm. Another one has Morgan. You slay brother, slay. All right? And we are in no way.

• 45:44Speaker 03

  Fucking Morgan, God.

• 45:46Bunnie XO?

  You know, Morgan's gonna be hitting up Jay like, can you please tell your wife to never talk about me on her podcast again?

• 45:51Speaker 03

  Only for you, buddy. Only for you.

• 45:53Bunnie XO?

  I appreciate it. So, but you did say, and I do, I, we have to bring this up. You did say that he hurt your feelings.

• 46:01Speaker 03

  Justin said that, yeah.

• 46:02Bunnie XO?

  Okay, Justin said that.

• 46:03Speaker 03

  Justin said that. So, Morgan, so, okay. Oh, God. I'm so sorry, Morgan. He didn't hurt my feelings. It's more. I'll be honest with you. Morgan was the first guy in my entire fucking life that wasn't like just completely enamored with me. And I was like, what in the fuck is going on? It really threw me.

• 46:26Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, cuz you're used to people like worship me.

• 46:29Speaker 03

  I'm used to guys being like crazy where I'm like, eh, whatever.

• 46:32Bunnie XO?

  Well, it's probably because he has 20 other girlfriends.

• 46:34Speaker 03

  Exactly. Exactly. He was busy.

• 46:37Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 46:38Speaker 03

  And so, um, yeah.

• 46:40Bunnie XO?

  Allegedly.

• 46:41Speaker 03

  Allegedly. Allegedly. But yeah, so it was one of those things where I was like, why do I keep going back to this guy? When it's just like.

• 46:50Bunnie XO?

  It's trying to get the approval of your father.

• 46:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And I love having the upper hand. And I feel like with him, I didn't have the upper hand. And I was like, I'm gonna fucking get it.

• 47:00Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 47:00Speaker 03

  Never did.

• 47:01Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 47:01Speaker 03

  I will say, I walked away from him a couple of times and I was ultimately the one that ended it. But I never felt like I like had him, you know? And yeah, the only time in my life. So it really fucked with me.

• 47:12Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, well, he has a reputation for being a bad boy.

• 47:15Speaker 03

  Hundred percent.

• 47:16Bunnie XO?

  Lives up to it. I mean, the dude's throwing fucking chairs off roofs, you know?

• 47:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I'm, listen, I'm glad that didn't work out. I don't, I don't wanna beef with Morgan. I love Morgan, but I don't wanna beef with Morgan.

• 47:27Bunnie XO?

  I feel like Morgan might be a stepping stone, you know, for like finding your true love.

• 47:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:32Bunnie XO?

  He's like the bad boy that you wanna play with and then you just, you tuck him away and you put him in the past.

• 47:36Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 47:37Bunnie XO?

  The man that you love.

• 47:38Speaker 03

  At the time, quite honestly, I was like, I kinda just want a fuck buddy in Nashville.

• 47:42Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 47:42Speaker 03

  That's really hard to find here for some reason. And I wanted to make Morgan that, but it was just like.

• 47:47Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, Morgan seems to be the guy that wants to step up to the plate to be people's fuck buddies.

• 47:51Speaker 03

  A great fuck buddy. The problem is honestly, he was on tour. He's so busy.

• 47:54Bunnie XO?

  Haley's losing it over here. She knows so many girls that have been with him too.

• 47:58Speaker 03

  Even I do. And I'm like, God.

• 48:01Bunnie XO?

  Morgan has needs a support group.

• 48:03Speaker 03

  No, literally, literally, cuz everyone's heart is broken.

• 48:06Bunnie XO?

  I know. Morgan, you're out here breaking people's hearts, man.

• 48:10Speaker 03

  Morgan. But he was so busy, honestly, that it was just like, why the fuck am I, like, what are we doing? This is silly. So.

• 48:17Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, he's a stepping stone.

• 48:18Speaker 03

  He's, and he was fun. Like, we had a good time. And so, you know, all good, all good.

• 48:22Bunnie XO?

  Jason Statham. Statham. Statham. How do I put it? Jason Statham.

• 48:27Speaker 03

  Jason Statham.

• 48:28Bunnie XO?

  Where? How? That doesn't even seem like your type.

• 48:31Speaker 03

  Oh, my God, when I was, how old was I? I was probably like 21.

• 48:37Bunnie XO?

  Mm hmm.

• 48:37Speaker 03

  Um, oh, he, I loved him.

• 48:40Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 48:41Speaker 03

  I mean, not really, but I know he, um, yeah, we were really good friends.

• 48:46Bunnie XO?

  Is he tiny?

• 48:47Speaker 03

  Um, he's smaller than you would think.

• 48:49Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 48:49Speaker 03

  They all are, though.

• 48:50Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 48:51Speaker 03

  You know what I mean? That's my issue with actors. They're never this like macho like.

• 48:54Bunnie XO?

  I feel like I'm bigger than every fucking person that I've seen on the big screen.

• 48:57Speaker 03

  I know.

• 48:58Bunnie XO?

  Every time I meet him, and you're tiny.

• 48:59Speaker 03

  But so are you, but no, you are, but yes.

• 49:02Bunnie XO?

  I'm a big bag bitch and I'll take it. I identify as a big bag bitch and listen.

• 49:08Speaker 03

  Harley.

• 49:10Bunnie XO?

  They get so mad at me when I say it, but I'm like, bro, I'm a big bag bitch.

• 49:13Speaker 03

  You're fucking tiny.

• 49:14Bunnie XO?

  No, stop it.

• 49:15Speaker 03

  No, but these guys, that's the thing. They're never what you want them to be.

• 49:19Bunnie XO?

  Ever.

• 49:19Speaker 03

  Ever.

• 49:20Bunnie XO?

  And they wear lifts.

• 49:21Speaker 03

  I know. Yeah. So.

• 49:22Bunnie XO?

  Did Jason wear lifts?

• 49:23Speaker 03

  Uh, no.

• 49:24Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 49:25Speaker 03

  Well, maybe in the movies and shit. I don't know. But yeah, but no, but Jason is a, he's a great guy. He's a lot of fun.

• 49:31Bunnie XO?

  Did you guys actually like date date or was it just more like a?

• 49:33Speaker 03

  A little bit. Yeah, we dated a little bit.

• 49:35Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 49:35Speaker 03

  Yeah. Um, no, he was, he was great. We had the same group of friends. So we started out as, as friends and then it just kind of escalated. But yeah, no, I, nothing but good things to say about Jason too.

• 49:47Bunnie XO?

  How long was it?

• 49:48Speaker 03

  God, I don't even remember. I mean, we, cause we were friends at first. Um, God, this is so long ago. I would say maybe a year, but not like hooking up and dating, probably a couple of months that that was going on. But yeah.

• 50:01Bunnie XO?

  Let's talk about your, cause we're gonna, we're gonna hop off your dating for a second.

• 50:05Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 50:07Bunnie XO?

  She's like, whoo.

• 50:09Bunnie XO?

  Let's talk about this beef you have with the Kardashians.

• 50:13Bunnie XO?

  She's like, let's, let's hop out of one frying pan into another.

• 50:16Speaker 03

  Fuck. Okay, let's go there.

• 50:18Bunnie XO?

  What is it about that family? Because I've had numerous people and they sponsor my podcast, so.

• 50:24Speaker 03

  I do their ads on my podcast too. And I'm like out there talking shit. They just renewed it for 2025.

• 50:30Bunnie XO?

  I was asked to.

• 50:31Speaker 03

  Hey, if you want me to just keep talking shit, I will.

• 50:34Bunnie XO?

  I love it. So I love that, you know, you know, I, I think it's cool that they just don't care. They're like, you know what? We're gonna fucking just sponsor the podcast.

• 50:41Speaker 03

  I know. I know.

• 50:42Bunnie XO?

  There's a lot of people who have sat on my couch that have different, different stories, but the same scenarios with this family.

• 50:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:48Bunnie XO?

  It comes to a point where it's like. Some of it can't be made up.

• 50:53Speaker 03

  No, I mean, I think the thing is, I feel like we're living in this time right now where karma is like really playing a role and people are being held accountable on a big scale.

• 51:03Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 51:04Speaker 03

  And I'm here for that. I fucking love that. And you know, mine really stems from, God, again, I mean, this is, I was probably like 22, 21 or 22 and well, I'd known Scott, Disick, same thing, same group of friends. We were always buddies.

• 51:21Bunnie XO?

  Well, you were with Brody Jenner, weren't you?

• 51:23Speaker 03

  I dated Brody. Brody was my first boyfriend in LA. Yeah. So, yeah, it was all that, that group of people. And Scott and Courtney started dating. That's how I met Courtney. I fucking loved Courtney. We were really good friends.

• 51:35Bunnie XO?

  I could see you guys being like, you guys are kind of like the same personality.

• 51:38Speaker 03

  Very similar. Courtney was awesome. And they broke up and I was doing something in Vegas, actually. And I went with a bunch of my guy friends. Scott happened to be one of the guys that came. Again, we were always just friends. Well, he was devastated about Courtney and the next morning, we all went out, we had a good time. I was never even alone with Scott.

• 51:58Bunnie XO?

  He was devastated about Courtney, but fumbled the ball. How many times?

• 52:01Speaker 03

  Well, exactly. I mean,

• 52:03Bunnie XO?

  Men are always like the victim.

• 52:05Speaker 03

  Always the fucking victim. Like, maybe if you got your shit together, it would be a different story. But so the next morning, it was on like page six or something that Scott and I had hooked up. And I was like, what in the motherfuck? And my friend Stu was like, I know for a fact that was Scott who told them that, planted that to try to make Courtney jealous. Well, what do you know? That's in fact what happened. Courtney was really upset about it. And I remember being on the phone with Courtney, being like, Courtney, you know that that's not true. I would never fucking touch Scott. And I don't know. She was like, well, I don't know. I just know I have sisters and I would never put myself in that situation.

• 52:39Bunnie XO?

  Her sisters have allegedly been with.

• 52:43Speaker 03

  Right?

• 52:43Bunnie XO?

  You know, like.

• 52:44Speaker 03

  I'm like, okay. And then, so they did end up getting back together and we, you know, we stopped talking. But, but I am like, Scott must have said it was true or something because all it would have taken was for Scott to be like, that's not true. And that was my issue too, because this was on the cover of every fucking tabloid. And I remember doing an interview, again, before social media. So it's not like you can go on and defend yourself.

• 53:07Bunnie XO?

  And like clear your name.

• 53:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, so I remember doing an interview being like, that's not true. And all it would take is one of the Kardashians to be like, that's not true, for it to go away, but they wouldn't do that. And that's the part that pisses me off is like, they, I think they have no regard for anyone else other than themselves.

• 53:24Bunnie XO?

  They don't really defend themselves either.

• 53:26Speaker 03

  I guess they kind of don't, do they?

• 53:28Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, like there's sometimes that there's accusations coming out about them and I'm waiting for one of them to speak up and they never say a fucking word.

• 53:34Speaker 03

  Well, I think, you know, talk about what we said earlier, they're in the camp of all press is good press for sure. Where I'm like, no, this is my fucking reputation and my name. I'm like, I didn't, I have an issue when something is so not true. If something comes out and it's true, I'm like, whatever. Yeah, but I'm like, I didn't fucking do that.

• 53:52Bunnie XO?

  So that explains why you were so mad when Scott reached back out to you.

• 53:56Speaker 03

  So I go on my podcast and just was talking shit about the Kardashians, like nothing in particular, but just talking shit. And then Scott Disick DMs me after fucking 15 years or something and is like, I miss you, we should hang out. It just felt so calculated to me. And this is what the Kardashians and a lot of people in Hollywood do is when you're out there talking shit, they want to shut you up. So it's keep your friends close and your enemies closer. And I don't play that game. It's so fake to me.

• 54:24Bunnie XO?

  Do you feel like Scott is still under control of that family?

• 54:26Speaker 03

  Thousand percent.

• 54:27Bunnie XO?

  Oh, okay.

• 54:28Speaker 03

  I think so.

• 54:29Bunnie XO?

  I feel like he's such a loose, he's like a loose cannon.

• 54:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, like, he is for sure, but I think at the end of the day, they definitely can kind of control him.

• 54:38Bunnie XO?

  They run them in in their lives, that's for sure.

• 54:40Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, they do. Poor Rob.

• 54:42Bunnie XO?

  Poor Rob has like disappeared.

• 54:44Speaker 03

  I know. I was on Dancing with the Stars with him. He's the sweetest, but he's kind of, yeah. Where is Rob?

• 54:51Bunnie XO?

  Oh, yeah.

• 54:51Speaker 03

  Is Rob okay?

• 54:52Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, Rob, Rob, do the red, what is it? What is it? The Britney Spears does the yellow rose? Post a yellow rose if you need help.

• 54:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly.

• 55:00Bunnie XO?

  Poor Rob.

• 55:01Speaker 03

  I know.

• 55:02Bunnie XO?

  All that estrogen too. It's gotta be just fucking insane.

• 55:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:06Bunnie XO?

  So moving on from your beef with the Kardashians, because it's really not even beef. I think, I feel like it's legit. Like, your feelings are hurt and Kourtney should have been a better friend to know that you would not do that.

• 55:15Speaker 03

  Well, and it's like, I honestly, I don't even really give a fuck, to be honest with you. But it's just that the fact that Scott was trying to slide into my DMs. I was like, oh, fuck off.

• 55:23Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 55:23Speaker 03

  But hey.

• 55:24Bunnie XO?

  You're like, look, an elephant never forgets and fucking, I remember everything.

• 55:27Speaker 03

  Exactly. And you don't want to fuck with someone who has a weekly podcast. Like, you know that. Like, I'll come out and say whatever. I'm also a loose cannon sometimes.

• 55:35Bunnie XO?

  Let's talk about your podcast really quick. What is the name of your podcast so people want to listen to it?

• 55:40Speaker 03

  Let's be honest. Yeah, it's, you know, wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah, but it's, and it's a mix. You know, that's what I love is having creative freedom with, you know, Uncommon James and the podcast to talk about whatever I want to talk about. I mean, you get that. If one week I want to talk about, you know, fucking Scott Disick sliding into my DMs or interview a neurosurgeon.

• 55:58Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 55:59Speaker 03

  You know, like, I have that freedom, which is really great and keeps it exciting for me.

• 56:02Bunnie XO?

  I admire the fact that you could do podcasts by yourself.

• 56:05Speaker 03

  Thanks. Do you never do them?

• 56:06Bunnie XO?

  No, I haven't mastered that.

• 56:08Speaker 03

  You would be so good at that.

• 56:09Bunnie XO?

  I feel like nobody wants to hear me talk that much.

• 56:11Speaker 03

  Oh, that is not true. You would be so good at it.

• 56:14Bunnie XO?

  I'd just be sitting here talking. I would probably, they'd be like, by the time I got done, they'd be like, does she have five personalities? Because she literally made herself laugh and she couldn't stop laughing. And then she got pissed off. Like, what just happened? Like.

• 56:24Speaker 03

  It is, but it's weird.

• 56:25Bunnie XO?

  It might be bad for me.

• 56:28Speaker 03

  I remember when I started doing them, I was like, this is the most unnatural awkward thing on the planet. I'm just talking to myself. Like, it's weird, but it's a, it's a muscle. You would be so good at it, Bonnie. I feel like you should try it.

• 56:39Bunnie XO?

  I don't know. Listen, if you guys see me talking to myself, it's because Kristen told me to do it. So let's talk about the Montana boy.

• 56:47Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 56:48Bunnie XO?

  Okay, because listen, I was fucking rooting for you, dude.

• 56:51Speaker 03

  You were so cute on TikTok.

• 56:53Bunnie XO?

  I was because I was like, let this fucking woman live, bro.

• 56:57Speaker 03

  Thank you. I know.

• 56:59Bunnie XO?

  What was the age difference?

• 57:00Speaker 03

  Thirteen years.

• 57:01Bunnie XO?

  I mean, it's not terrible.

• 57:03Speaker 03

  I mean, you know, the thing is, I will stand by this. I still think age is just a number. And it was so interesting for me to see how up in arms people were because I was older and I'm the woman compared to how it is for men.

• 57:19Bunnie XO?

  But Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher got away with it and they were the cutest thing ever.

• 57:22Speaker 03

  And there's so many people, talk about Jason Statham. I think he's like 20 something years older than Rosie. I mean, like, there are so many relationships out there and people don't bat an eye, but when a girl does it, that really pissed me off. I was like, what the fuck? Also, it's not like, I don't know, I think. So, okay, actually, here's my real opinion on it. This is what I think. I don't think people give a shit that I'm dating, that I was dating someone younger. I think it's that I can do whatever the fuck I want in my life. I'm out there doing what I want and a lot of people can't do that. And that's what's triggering for people.

• 57:57Bunnie XO?

  Amen.

• 57:57Speaker 03

  Yeah. And so, yeah, it was fascinating for me to see that whole thing.

• 58:02Bunnie XO?

  To see the reaction.

• 58:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 58:04Bunnie XO?

  How did you guys meet? How did that come about? Did you, did you see him on TikTok and you were like, I want that one?

• 58:09Speaker 03

  Okay, yeah, literally I saw him on TikTok and I was like, fuck, he's so hot. But like, okay, that was that. And then like a couple of months later, he DM'd me on Instagram and I was like, what the fuck?

• 58:20Bunnie XO?

  You manifested that.

• 58:21Speaker 03

  I literally did. Yeah. And then, and then found out they were moving to Nashville. And I was like, well, fuck, if this isn't meant to be.

• 58:31Bunnie XO?

  You're like, I mean, I just, I need to welcome him home.

• 58:34Speaker 03

  I needed that fuck buddy. I was like, oh, this is not Morgan.

• 58:37Bunnie XO?

  And listen, 13 years younger, you know, it's, it's gonna be good.

• 58:40Speaker 03

  There you go.

• 58:42Bunnie XO?

  So how was you guys' relationship? If you could like sum it up in a nutshell?

• 58:46Speaker 03

  It was great. Honestly, I mean, we did have a real connection. I don't want to minimize that at all. He's a really good guy. It was a beautiful relationship. I, you know, I have nothing bad to say. It was fun until it wasn't, you know, it was like.

• 59:04Speaker 03

  It just, um, I felt the age difference. Like no, no shit, no shock. Like of course. And I get that, you know, everyone's like, oh, I fucking knew it. It's like, okay, but we all knew it.

• 59:15Bunnie XO?

  Let me have fun.

• 59:16Speaker 03

  I was having fun.

• 59:17Bunnie XO?

  It was, it's called a fling for a reason.

• 59:18Speaker 03

  Exactly. Like, am I supposed to marry everyone I date? Like, I don't understand. I was having fun. And I think people forget that the last five years have been my dating era. Like I always had boyfriends. I met Jay when I was 23. I never was able to date and figure out exactly what I want. And like figure out myself through dating. And so that's what I've been doing the last five years. And that was really fun for me. It like sort of.

• 59:43Bunnie XO?

  It was a distraction too.

• 59:45Speaker 03

  It was a distraction. It was really easy. It just sort of naturally fit into my life. I said this on my podcast, but you know, it's maybe selfish looking back, but I didn't really have to bend for him in a lot of ways. He just kind of fit into my life. And with where I'm at in my life, that was really, it was perfect.

• 1:00:02Bunnie XO?

  What you needed.

• 1:00:02Speaker 03

  It was what I needed. And, um, yeah, but Mark's a great guy and I have.

• 1:00:07Bunnie XO?

  I never even knew his name. I just know him as Montana.

• 1:00:09Speaker 03

  I love you.

• 1:00:11Bunnie XO?

  That's Montana boy.

• 1:00:12Speaker 03

  The Montana boy.

• 1:00:13Bunnie XO?

  Talks to me about it is like, yeah, her and the Montana boy.

• 1:00:18Bunnie XO?

  Did you, did you ever look around when you were with him and just be like, maybe, and this is not a diss to him at all. It's just, maybe this is too small for me because you know, you do have such a lore and like, you're an icon. And not saying that he's, he, he won't be, but I mean, all he has right now is the shirtless TikTok videos.

• 1:00:35Speaker 03

  Yeah. And it's, I think it's a combination of, yeah, I mean.

• 1:00:39Bunnie XO?

  That's not me being mean. I'm just trying to keep it real. He's beautiful.

• 1:00:44Speaker 03

  I think, you know, I think when you are young and you don't have life experience, coupled with maybe not a lot going on in your life.

• 1:00:52Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:00:53Speaker 03

  There's not a lot to talk about. There's not a lot to bring to the table.

• 1:00:57Bunnie XO?

  They're just pretty to look at.

• 1:00:58Speaker 03

  Which can go for a minute, you know, that'll get you through for a minute.

• 1:01:02Bunnie XO?

  No, I get it.

• 1:01:03Speaker 03

  Until it won't.

• 1:01:05Speaker 03

  And so, yes, I, um, I came out of it and was craving real, um, depth and emotional.

• 1:01:15Bunnie XO?

  Intimacy.

• 1:01:16Speaker 03

  Intimacy.

• 1:01:17Bunnie XO?

  You know, seduce my mind and then you can have my body. That's what I always say.

• 1:01:21Speaker 03

  Yeah. So now I'm like, really like in that mode of like, I want to learn something from a man. I want to like,

• 1:01:26Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, teach me daddy.

• 1:01:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:01:28Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, I love that.

• 1:01:30Speaker 03

  But this, but that's what I'm saying. Like it's fun. Like all this whole journey that I'm on is really fun and it's the evolution of me. And I'm figuring it out and I love that. Like I had that as part of my overall story. Like, fuck yeah. I dated a 24 year old.

• 1:01:44Bunnie XO?

  Was he ever insecure with like what he had going on and then what you had going on? Did that ever become an issue with you guys?

• 1:01:50Speaker 03

  Um, I mean, we have to remember too, we only dated for like seven months. So I think, um, but, um, no, I don't, I don't think that was an insecurity for him. Listen, I think he was sort of along for the ride. Like he was just like happiest.

• 1:02:05Bunnie XO?

  He's like, I'm fucking Kristin Cavallari. You can't tell me shit.

• 1:02:09Speaker 03

  Kinda, you know, um, so no, I don't think that was an issue.

• 1:02:14Bunnie XO?

  Was he sad when you guys broke up?

• 1:02:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was, it was really hard. It was really hard and it, um, it crushed me quite honestly because I knew I was breaking his heart. And so, yes. Um, and actually it's been one of the harder breakups for me in the sense where like normally I'm like, I'm done. Great. I'm moving on. I never even think about the guy again, but I think I've had a lot of guilt about it and I feel really bad.

• 1:02:40Bunnie XO?

  And so he's so sweet.

• 1:02:41Speaker 03

  He's so sweet. He really is so sweet. And, um, yeah. So that's been, it's been hard for me to like, let it go. And we've stayed in touch too. And I think that probably makes it harder as well.

• 1:02:52Bunnie XO?

  Would you give it another old wraparound?

• 1:02:54Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:02:54Bunnie XO?

  The old wraparound.

• 1:02:55Speaker 03

  As much as I love, you know, getting between the sheets with him.

• 1:03:00Bunnie XO?

  Look at her. She's all playing with her neck. She's all excited.

• 1:03:04Speaker 03

  No, I have to just close that door.

• 1:03:06Bunnie XO?

  She's like, no, I'm fucking healing. All right.

• 1:03:08Speaker 03

  Now we're in our healing process. No, I actually, I'm, I'm kind of dating someone else now.

• 1:03:13Bunnie XO?

  Can we know who it is?

• 1:03:15Speaker 03

  I'm not gonna say who it is and it's really new, but.

• 1:03:18Bunnie XO?

  Is he in the spotlight also?

• 1:03:20Speaker 03

  He is a retired athlete, which I will tell you.

• 1:03:23Bunnie XO?

  You love the athletes.

• 1:03:24Speaker 03

  Fuck, they love me, I think.

• 1:03:26Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:27Speaker 03

  They always find me.

• 1:03:28Bunnie XO?

  I love that.

• 1:03:29Speaker 03

  But he's.

• 1:03:30Bunnie XO?

  You're a wag.

• 1:03:31Speaker 03

  So I'm a fucking wag through and through. He's such a good guy and he really, it's new, but he checks all the boxes where I'm like, fuck, this is what I've been needing.

• 1:03:41Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:42Speaker 03

  So we'll see, we'll see. He's coming in a couple of days to stay with me.

• 1:03:44Bunnie XO?

  Tell us who it is and we'll bleep the name out.

• 1:03:47Speaker 03

  Okay, bleep it out.

• 1:03:49Bunnie XO?

  Okay, I don't know who it is.

• 1:03:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's, he wasn't like a big, well, I don't know, I don't know, because I don't know athletes really that much. But yeah, he retired a couple of years ago and he has so much depth and I just like love talking to him. He's 40.

• 1:04:02Bunnie XO?

  Good.

• 1:04:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, he has kids. So yeah, we connect on so many different levels, which is awesome.

• 1:04:08Bunnie XO?

  Is he cute? Mimi's over there.

• 1:04:10Speaker 03

  I'm gonna show you. Yes, but let me show you like real photos of him, not like fucking.

• 1:04:16Bunnie XO?

  Sweaty, sweaty hockey ones.

• 1:04:18Speaker 03

  The athletes never look good in their like.

• 1:04:21Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:21Speaker 03

  Their photos online. I'm always like, get them in like real, real life and they're so much better.

• 1:04:26Bunnie XO?

  No, that's how I felt about, what was that one Raiders, the fire crotch? He was so damn fine. I even told my husband, I think his last, Max Crosby. I was like, we saw him at a game and I was like, who's this? And I said, baby, my new, my, I texted my husband, I go, my new favorite number is I think 98. And that was his number and he goes, oh, you're Max Crosby, girl.

• 1:04:47Bunnie XO?

  I love it. My husband was like, go baby, go.

• 1:04:49Speaker 03

  See, that's such a good relationship when you're just confident and secure. Like the fact that you can say that to him, I feel like all my ex-boyfriends would be like, what? Oh my God, are you gonna leave me for him? You know what I mean? Like that energy.

• 1:05:00Bunnie XO?

  And yep, I've been in relationships like that and I refuse.

• 1:05:03Speaker 03

  I won't do it again.

• 1:05:04Bunnie XO?

  It took me a long time when I got with Jay to really understand the, the non jealousy because I came from such jealous relationships. And I used to get upset with him. I'm writing about this in my book actually. And I used to get kind of upset with him, like, do you not love? Me like, why aren't you like fighting for me, fight over me?

• 1:05:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:21Bunnie XO?

  But I realize that's the toxicity in me.

• 1:05:23Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:05:24Bunnie XO?

  That wanted that in him and he never, he never arose to that occasion.

• 1:05:28Speaker 03

  I love that.

• 1:05:29Bunnie XO?

  Now I'm just like, God, I couldn't imagine being with a jealous human like that.

• 1:05:32Speaker 03

  Like, I'll never do that again.

• 1:05:33Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, never, never, ever.

• 1:05:35Speaker 03

  I love that for you. That's so nice.

• 1:05:37Bunnie XO?

  You're, you're gonna find it too.

• 1:05:38Speaker 03

  I know.

• 1:05:39Bunnie XO?

  You're too much of a beautiful woman to not have somebody see how fucking special you are.

• 1:05:43Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 1:05:44Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, it's coming, baby. I can feel it.

• 1:05:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, me too.

• 1:05:46Bunnie XO?

  Let's talk about this home invasion that you were just rea- like you just recently started talking about it?

• 1:05:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, I haven't talked about it because honestly, my kids still don't know. And even when I talked about it on my podcast and it kind of, you know, hit the media and stuff, I was sort of sitting there like, fuck, is my oldest gonna say something to me? Because my, he's on, he has all the things, you know?

• 1:06:06Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:06:07Speaker 03

  Uh, my boys have phones and stuff, but he never said anything to me. So I was like, all right, hopefully, hopefully he dodged that bullet.

• 1:06:12Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, we won't clip this.

• 1:06:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, don't clip this.

• 1:06:15Bunnie XO?

  We won't.

• 1:06:15Speaker 03

  Um, so it was actually, it was during 2020. Um, so we were in the Bahamas for spring break and we ended up being there for a month because it was when COVID hit. And I had all my uncommon James jewelry like laid out in my closet. And earlier in the day, our HVAC unit broke, so we had workers in the house fixing it and, okay. So Camden, my oldest and I, who this is, um, almost five years ago. So he was like, what, six or seven? Don't make me do math on the spot, but, um, he was sleeping with me that night. So we went to bed early. So I had no idea where anyone else was in the house. And I woke up to, the door was opening and the light from the kitchen woke me up.

• 1:06:57Speaker 03

  And I was so out of it. I honestly thought it was Jay and thank God, because I go crawling on the bedroom floor. I go, what the fuck are you doing?

• 1:07:07Speaker 03

  And so this guy is like, oh, fuck, stands up, runs out. And I was like, whole fuck. He had a ski mask on, long black sleeves, black pants, like the whole nine.

• 1:07:17Bunnie XO?

  Like while you're sleeping?

• 1:07:19Speaker 03

  Sleeping with my fucking baby in bed with me. So I think because, well, so then I'm like, holy fuck, but I didn't want to wake up Camden. So your instincts just kick in, but I'm like, fuck, I have to go out in this house and figure this out. And I have no idea where he is or where Jay is or the kids or whatever. So. I grabbed my phone. I text Jay. I'm like, are you awake? No response because it's like 1 a.m. So I'm like, fuck, I go out in the house and I'm just like looking around. I go in another bedroom. No one's there. I go upstairs. Finally, I find Jay. As soon as I woke up Jay, I got really nervous. Like before that, I was like a fucking Navy SEAL, just like going like

• 1:07:55Bunnie XO?

  Mama bear mode.

• 1:07:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, your instincts just kick in. And then once Jay woke up, I was like shaking and I got so scared. Long story short, it was one of the HVAC unit guys. He took all the cash that we had in a backpack, but we got it back. It was like a guy that worked at the resort that we were at.

• 1:08:09Bunnie XO?

  And you wanted to go to the Bahamas.

• 1:08:12Speaker 03

  I know.

• 1:08:12Bunnie XO?

  Not doing it.

• 1:08:13Speaker 03

  You know what's fucked up? I've been back to that resort since.

• 1:08:16Bunnie XO?

  Bitch, bitch is like YOLO.

• 1:08:18Speaker 03

  Can't care me, bitch.

• 1:08:21Bunnie XO?

  I love that though. You're like, you know what? I'm gonna go back and just face it head on.

• 1:08:24Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 1:08:25Bunnie XO?

  Face your fears.

• 1:08:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, you know, yeah. And I so that's like one of those things that I won't tell my kids that until they're older. But unless, you know, I keep talking about it and they find out.

• 1:08:33Bunnie XO?

  But it's crazy that you don't have fear from that, you know, because like that's, that's scary. You have fucking PTSD from that.

• 1:08:40Speaker 03

  I know. I'll tell you what, I don't know. I think even living in LA and stuff, I used to be so scared. Living in this little house that I had in West Hollywood, you know, you're on top of your neighbor, the whole thing. But living out here, I'm like 20 minutes from here, in the middle of nowhere, I'm on 130 acres. I feel so safe.

• 1:08:56Bunnie XO?

  Yay.

• 1:08:56Speaker 03

  Like so safe. Again, it's just at peace.

• 1:08:59Bunnie XO?

  Yep.

• 1:08:59Speaker 03

  And it's just a good feeling. I don't know. Yeah, I feel I've got German shepherds. I've got a gun. I've got the whole thing. So it's like, I just.

• 1:09:04Bunnie XO?

  She said, bitch, I'm strapped with dogs.

• 1:09:07Speaker 03

  Don't get it twisted. But I just, yeah, I feel really, really safe out here.

• 1:09:11Bunnie XO?

  I love that.

• 1:09:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's a good feeling.

• 1:09:13Bunnie XO?

  What does 2025 have in store for you?

• 1:09:16Speaker 03

  It's a good question. I hope to just continue to just kind of be where I'm at. I used to be such a planner and be like, I need to do X, Y, and Z this year. And I've gotten into this more of a headspace of just like letting life unfold. And that's not to say I don't have goals, you know, I'm going on a podcast tour, like there are really fun things happening. But I'm just kind of like letting it all happen.

• 1:09:38Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:39Speaker 03

  So I don't, I don't know.

• 1:09:40Bunnie XO?

  Whatever, whatever happens, happens.

• 1:09:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:09:42Bunnie XO?

  Just letting the universe just come to you freely.

• 1:09:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:09:46Bunnie XO?

  I love that.

• 1:09:46Speaker 03

  Thanks.

• 1:09:47Bunnie XO?

  I love where you're at in life. I love the space that you're in. I feel like you've fought to be here and it's, you know, something to be proud of.

• 1:09:53Speaker 03

  Thank you. Appreciate that.

• 1:09:55Bunnie XO?

  A lot of people don't figure it out and a lot of people, you know, victimize themselves or they, you know, Wallow and self pity and you're just out here being like, you know what? This has happened. I did this. I did this. I take accountability and I'm moving the fuck on.

• 1:10:09Speaker 03

  Well, because there's no growth in the victim mentality, you know? So yeah, you gotta take, take charge of your life. Like, that's what I would tell people. Take your life in your own hands and do the damn thing.

• 1:10:19Bunnie XO?

  I love it. Yeah, I'm gonna be doing that with you in 2025. I'm planning like a birthday trip for me and I never do that.

• 1:10:25Speaker 03

  Good.

• 1:10:26Bunnie XO?

  It's the first time I've celebrated my birthday and I can't even. Yeah, she was shook, but and I wanna go, but I wanna go out of the country. And so like, this year, I'm just kind of like, I have worked my ass off my whole life. I just wanna fucking kind of have fun this year.

• 1:10:39Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:10:40Bunnie XO?

  I might even drink some alcohol. All right. And I've been sober since 2017, you know? So I'm like, look at Haley's, hey, I got, I drank a beer with Haley one night.

• 1:10:48Speaker 03

  Are you sober sober? Are you California sober?

• 1:10:50Bunnie XO?

  No, I'm sober sober.

• 1:10:51Speaker 03

  Amazing.

• 1:10:52Bunnie XO?

  I white knuckle through life, baby.

• 1:10:54Speaker 03

  Damn.

• 1:10:54Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, no, it's brutal. It's brutal, but I had to, I had to do it for my spiritual. Um, and you know, emotional healing that I had to go through.

• 1:11:03Speaker 03

  No, I get it.

• 1:11:04Bunnie XO?

  The, when I hit 40, now I'm about to be 45. So I'm like, you know what? I've done the work.

• 1:11:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:11:08Bunnie XO?

  Let me fucking just have fun.

• 1:11:09Speaker 03

  There you go. See, I love that. Good. You should go have some fun.

• 1:11:13Bunnie XO?

  No, that's why I understand where you're at too, just letting things happen. So.

• 1:11:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, I love it.

• 1:11:17Bunnie XO?

  Thank you for coming on the podcast.

• 1:11:19Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 1:11:19Bunnie XO?

  I appreciate you being here.

• 1:11:21Speaker 03

  I appreciate you so much.

• 1:11:22Bunnie XO?

  We actually get to end the season with Kristen, right?

• 1:11:24Speaker 03

  Oh, hell yeah.

• 1:11:24Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. So you're, you're like our season finale, baby. Going out with a bang.

• 1:11:28Speaker 03

  Yes. Well, thank you.

• 1:11:30Bunnie XO?

  Thank you. And tell people where they can find you if they don't know.

• 1:11:33Speaker 03

  So just Kristin Cavallari Instagram on and TikTok. And then let's be honest, my podcast every Tuesday.

• 1:11:39Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, you guys go check her out. You'll fall in love with her just like I did. Fucking 20, what is it in 2020, 2006?

• 1:11:46Speaker 03

  2004.

• 1:11:48Bunnie XO?

  2004. God, I can't remember.

• 1:11:50Speaker 03

  20 years.

• 1:11:51Bunnie XO?

  20 years ago.

• 1:11:52Speaker 03

  It's wild. It makes me feel old, but.

• 1:11:54Bunnie XO?

  Insane. Thank you guys for tuning into another episode of Done Blonde. I'll see you guys next season. Bye.