Pod Insights The Tucker Carlson Show Tucker and Qatar’s Prime Minister React to Trump’s Move Against Bibi About this episode No American president has ever sided with an Arab state over Israel until Donald Trump forced Bibi to apologize to Qatar. A reaction from Qatar’s PM.
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1:00 Tucker Carlson? Thank you, Sheikh Mohammed, for doing this. Have you been reading the coverage on American social media of this?
1:09 Speaker 04 Well, actually, I've been going through some of them this morning. I saw a lot of contradicting messages.
1:16 Tucker Carlson? Pretty intense, I'd say. This country is being denounced as a terror state, terror financing. Very high volume. Lots of attacks, including from politicians, sitting U.S. senators, Ted Cruz, for example. And the main criticism seems to revolve around Hamas. And the idea is that your country, and you specifically, are supporters of Hamas. You're terror financiers. And I'd like to just get right to the truth of that. So my understanding is Hamas is here in Doha because the United States and Israel asked you to host Hamas. Is that true?
2:00 Tucker Carlson? And if not, what is the truth about Hamas in Doha?
2:02 Speaker 04 Well, thank you. Thank you, Taker. First of all, look...
2:08 Speaker 04 The starting of the relationship with Hamas and the communication was started back more than ten years, thirteen years ago, at the request of the United States. Even beyond that, like it was nineteen years ago, when they first participated in the election. And then, when they moved their office back in 2012 here, it was used only for the communication and to facilitate like ceasefire, facilitating aid to Gaza. Now, unfortunately Qatar has been attacked for having them here, but when you look, you know, at what's happening within the region, this region, when you look at its conflict,
2:50 Speaker 04 it has, the parties of the conflict, sometimes they are state actors, sometimes they are non-state actors. If you have no one speaking to those non-state actors, how we are going to resolve or to reach to a solution at the end of the day? And now, we have seen that this communication has led to ceasefires, has led to the release of the hostages, has led to elevating the suffering of the people over there. And unfortunately, you know, there are like politicians who are trying to use this for to score like short-term political gains, to fuel their narratives, in order to like, you know, using Qatar to blame, to blame another country for what's happening over there or for their wrong policies.
3:32 Speaker 04 All our aid and all our support and financing that went and what they claim that went to Hamas, went to Gaza, went to the people, and was under very transparent process that the United States is fully aware about. Israel is the one facilitating, and it's not one government, it was across governments, Netanyahu, Bennett, we have dealt with all the agencies. Lapid was a prime minister at a certain point of time, Mossad, Shinbad, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, all of the, and the defense, all of them, they were involved in these aids and the delivery of those aids. So today, when they are claiming that this financing of, this is the financing of Qatar to Hamas, it has no basis.
4:14 Speaker 04 It's just, you know, a way to spread this information about a country that doesn't do anything for them, but it's, it's doing things that are against their policies. If you just go to Qatar records with, and its engagement with the United States for the last twenty years or thirty years, Qatar has never went to the United States and, you know, encouraging them to bomb this country or to support this group or to that group. We've been always in our dialogues with the United States about how we de-scale the region, how we bring peace to the region. And this peace cannot happen without an engagement with everyone in the region.
4:54 Tucker Carlson? Well, I'm confused then. If you hosted Hamas here and sent money to Gaza, both of those things at the request of the US government and the Israeli government, successive Israeli governments, why did Israel bomb your country?
5:11 Speaker 04 Well, it's, I don't know if there is... I don't know if, you know, if any of the actions that's been like, or many of the actions that's been taken been justified or rationalized or even like were ethical actions. But in a principle, even you have a mediator, you know, the concept of mediation is like a safe place for the conflicted parties to achieve a deal, to end wars and to end conflicts. And to have the mediator being bombed by one of the parties of the conflict, this has been unprecedented. And I've said that many times, that this is, you know, it's not only an unethical move.
5:56 Speaker 04 It's, it's just, you know, throwing everything like, you know, against the wall, like throwing the international law, throwing the respect of the sovereignty of any other country. Besides, you know, ethically, it's not, it's not really acceptable or no one can swallow it.
6:14 Tucker Carlson? No. And the aftermath was also unprecedented. So President Trump basically told the Israelis to apologize to you. He took your side. He took the side of an Arab country against Israel in this specific case. I don't think I've ever seen that before. I don't think it's ever happened before. What was your reaction to that?
6:41 Speaker 04 Well, of course, President Trump has took, was very clear from the beginning since the attack. Actually, when he was informed about the attack, he assigned one of his advisers to reach out to us. And at the same time, he called his highness after the attack and he expressed his frustration, his disappointment from such a thing that's happening by Israel. Because he knows everything about the process and he knows how hurtful we were throughout this process. And, you know, this kind of move was shocking for him as, you know, a partner in these
7:25 Speaker 04 efforts, in these endeavors to achieve peace in Gaza. And at that time, actually, when the strike happened, it was happening while we were trying to convince Hamas to accept the offer was made by President Trump at that time. To convince them to engage, to convince them to get, you know, get a deal before the 20 points being developed when the attack happened.
7:53 Tucker Carlson? So you're saying that President Trump was surprised by the bombing of Doha by the Israelis? Of course, it was his peace process that was short-circuited by their bombing using American money. You're saying that the president didn't know that was going to happen, he was surprised?
8:12 Speaker 04 He's, he called us right away, his advisers reached out to us, they reached out to us just a couple of minutes before the attack, which was like, the attack was already happening. So, he's, it was very clear demonstration with all the actions that this is something happened against Israel and he doesn't accept it. And he made it very clear for everyone that this is like a red line, that he doesn't want anyone to cross it and we highly value that and appreciate it.
8:48 Tucker Carlson? And I'm just pressing you on this because there were news accounts in the subsequent days, the next day, the day after, in Israel saying, no, the Israeli government did this.
9:00 Tucker Carlson? The Prime Minister did this with the agreement of Donald Trump. This was part of Donald Trump's plan, was to bomb Doha, bomb his own peace negotiations. And you're saying that's not true?
9:11 Speaker 04 Well, I think this is one of many efforts to sabotage the relationship between Qatar and the United States, and they want us to believe that. And I think that, you know, these efforts are not new to us. We have seen a lot of efforts ongoing for years now, you know, based on disinformation and spreading lies and false information about Qatar in order to hurt the relationship between Qatar and the United States, which we see it from our perspective as mutually beneficial for both countries. Because we advocate for something different than what, you know, our adversaries advocate. Our adversaries advocating for escalation, for bombing, for controlling.
9:53 Speaker 04 But we advocate for resolving conflict in diplomatic way, trying to stabilize the region. And that has been Qatar policy since inception.
10:03 Tucker Carlson? So you said that your country has sent money to Gaza for humanitarian reasons, that's your position, basically paying to help the people who are being bombed by Israel. Now there's the question of who rebuilds Gaza, which has of course been completely destroyed, and who pays for it? And I wonder, well, I don't wonder, I just imagine with total certainty that you will be asked to pay for the rebuilding of Gaza. Why would you do that? Why would you rebuild a region that's been destroyed by a country that also bombed you?
10:44 Speaker 04 Well, look, Tucker, here, you know, there is like a very...
10:51 Speaker 04 Say like an ironic situation when you look at like two conflicts happening at the same time and you are hearing like many about when it comes to the Russia-Ukrainian conflict that Russia should fund all the reconstruction and their assets should be seized to fund all the reconstruction of Ukraine while when you are talking about Gaza and Israel, you know, flattened this land and you said you say that Israel has the responsibility to rebuild what it's destroyed, they will tell you no, you will have as a region you will have the responsibility to do so. And it's really a very ironic double standards when you look at it.
11:36 Speaker 04 From our side, as a state of Qatar, we will continue supporting the Palestinian people. We will do whatever to alleviate their suffering, but we are not the ones who are going to write the check to rebuild what others destroyed. That's basically our position. But also, we will not let the Palestinian people at the drive if they are not helped or they are not funded.
11:57 Tucker Carlson? I should say from an American perspective, it's even more grotesque. So you are asked to pay for the destruction and for the rebuilding. This is like, it's a little much. So but you're saying clearly that your country will not pay to rebuild what Israel destroyed.
12:12 Speaker 04 That's our position. Our position is to that our payments will go only to help the Palestinian people if we see that the help is coming to them is insufficient. That's basically our position.
12:26 Tucker Carlson? What happens to the current residents of Gaza? Do they stay in Gaza? I know there's an effort to find some other country to send them to either in Asia or Sudan or Milwaukee, but do they stay in Gaza?
12:42 Speaker 04 Well, I think that, you know, when it's hurting us when we hear people talking about the people of Gaza as like, you know, some sort of different people because like they have the right and to have the choice where to live. And they don't want to, you know, to leave their country. And we have seen these demonstrations like in many occasions when we see the opening between the south and the north of Gaza. We see the mass return of the people to their homes, even if their homes is flattened and gone. They just go there and build a tent. And this is just showing you how solid are those people, how resilient are those people,
13:26 Speaker 04 how those people, they don't want to leave the land that they belong to. And I don't see anyone has the right to deport them or to force them, to force them to go somewhere else. It's their country, it's their home, and they have all the right to stay there and to live there.
13:48 Tucker Carlson? Yeah, the idea of moving millions of people by force into another country, you know, has been discredited, I would say historically. Big picture, this is a question that remains unanswered in the United States, like what is the plan here exactly in the Levant? What is Israel's plan? What is the strategy? I understand it's, you know, defeating Hamas and Hezbollah and, you know, I understand the short-term goals that are often articulated, but what's the, what does this look like in 10 years? What, what is the, like, the object? Do you have any idea?
14:22 Speaker 04 Well, I, I, I think, you know, if we, if we look at the situation currently, I have mentioned that yesterday, the situation currently is not, like, is not something that can survive for long and being stable. Now, the issue that if the Israeli forces remains there, if the violations remains happening in Gaza, this conflict can...
14:55 Speaker 04 Escalate again, and that's what all of us we want to avoid. The best plan is to apply what's been already agreed on in the plan that President Trump has launched and the countries in the region has supported, to rebuild Gaza for the Gazan people, for the Gazan people to remain there, but also finding a political solution for the bigger issue, because if you keep this issue unresolved, the Palestinian issue unresolved, you know, things will escalate again and again. We cannot build a house without building the foundation of that house.
15:39 Speaker 04 And the foundation of that house, that the Palestinian people get their rights for their states, and they have the right to stay in their own land.
15:47 Tucker Carlson? From an outside perspective, it seems like the prospect of, you know, full rights internally, or a separate and autonomous Palestinian state, those seem like more remote than ever. That seems less likely than ever to happen, but maybe I'm reading it wrong.
16:07 Speaker 04 Well, unfortunately, you know, peace needs, you know, a partner also for that. With the current configuration in Israel and what we are seeing in the political landscape there, and the Knesset and all those resolutions that they are passing against the two-state solution is just, you know, setting us apart from this path, which is unfortunate to see that there is no enforcement to push them, that this is the only path forward to have a two-state solution.
16:44 Speaker 04 We cannot, you know, remain hostage to the far-right and extremist agenda to, like, ethnically cleanse the Palestinian, or to kick them out of their lands. And what we are looking for, we are looking for two countries, two people, living side by side peacefully, and being part of the region. And that's what the entire region is aspiring for.
17:10 Tucker Carlson? It is widely believed in Washington that Israel will initiate another war against Iran in this coming year, 2026. I don't know if that's true. Do you believe it is true?
17:21 Speaker 04 Well, let's hope not. I think that it's very important to try to find a way to reactivate the talks on the nuklears and to see a track of diplomacy because right now what we are seeing, there's an absence of any efforts in resolving the issue diplomatically. And as we have like mentioned many, many times that anything would happen to Iran, it will have its impact on the entire region, on the entire Gulf region. Qatar, Saudi, Bahrain, Kuwait, UAE, all the countries will be affected with such a thing.
18:00 Speaker 04 And I hope not, but you know, there is a lot of uncertainty of what's happening in the region right now. We see Lebanon bombing is continuing while what supposedly the war has ended. We see Gaza bombing is still continuing while there is a ceasefire is ongoing. So it all depends on how can we make sure that Israel stops at this level and doesn't escalate further.
18:28 Tucker Carlson? One of the reasons I openly admire you despite much criticism and was grateful to interview you today is because your country acts as a kind of neutral zone around the world, not just in your region. Switzerland no longer being non-aligned, unfortunately, it's fallen to your country to be the place where people can negotiate conflicts to peace, settlement. You're doing that in Eastern Europe with Russia, Ukraine. You helped get Evan Gershkovich out of prison in Russia. I don't know if you've gotten credit for that. God bless you for doing that. Do you see that conflict as moving toward resolution?
19:06 Speaker 04 Well, I think that there are a lot of hope in the current endeavor that's carried out by the United States to reach to a resolution because I believe that, you know, this war has becoming like very disruptive, not only for Europe and not only for the Ukrainians, becoming disruptive for the entire world and it's just, you know, polarizing the world more and more. And this is not in anyone's interest and tool has its consequences. Right now, we see relentless efforts by the US administration in order to achieve a
19:43 Speaker 04 deal and the Ukrainians are engaging in this process and we are trying our best also whenever we are needed to help and to support within that process. But I believe it is solvable, it can be achieved, it's not something impossible.
20:03 Tucker Carlson? So, last question. I've been personally, not to make it about me, but I have been criticized as being a tool of Qatar. And I just want to say what you already know, which is I've never taken anything from your country and don't plan to. I am, however, tomorrow buying a place in Qatar, both because I am...
20:23 Speaker 04 You pay a high check.
20:24 Tucker Carlson? In Doha, yeah. And I'm doing that because I like the city, I think it's beautiful, but also to make the statement that I'm an American and a free man and I'll be wherever I want to be, which I think is important. But that does kind of leave us in a place where I have not taken any money from Qatar, I have instead given money to Qatar. And I wonder if you feel that that means I've bought you and you will now spew my propaganda.
20:51 Speaker 04 Thank you. Just ask me whatever you want me to do for you, I will do it. But, look Tucker, unfortunately, as I told you, that there are a lot of players putting a lot of efforts to sabotage the relationship between Qatar and the United States and... To try to demonize anyone who will come to this country. Our efforts, when we are lobbying or doing, you know, our outreach in the United States is to make sure that this relationship is safeguarded. And the relationship for us is mutually beneficial. We are not getting aid from the United States. It's we are instead, we are buying from the United States.
21:37 Speaker 04 We are partnering with them. We are investing in the United States. The United States investing in Qatar. And this relationship has been always a two-way relationship. And we pay all these amounts for lobbying only to protect and to safeguard this relationship. If we were not like being attacked and under a lot of like disinformation campaign that's been unfortunately funded by other players who doesn't want to see a US-Qatar relationship flourish, we wouldn't, we would spend this money for better things, you know, to do with the relationship.
22:19 Tucker Carlson? Sheikh Mohammed, thank you so much for taking the time to do this. I appreciate it.
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