Dan Farah | Club Random with Bill Maher

Bill Maher sits down with filmmaker Dan Farah to discuss his documentary "Age of Disclosure" about UFOs (sorry, UAPs!) and government cover-ups. Dan reveals what high-level intelligence officials told him on camera about crash retrievals and non-human beings. They debate everything from ocean-dwelling alien crafts to Steven Spielberg's prophetic filmmaking, why Mars is a terrible vacation spot, and whether getting probed is really as common as '90s pop culture suggested. Bill weighs in on whether Trump could be the one to announce “we are not alone” (with some very real concerns about optics), while also battling a stubborn Zippo lighter that may or may not need alien intervention. Support our Advertisers: -Get 10 free meals and a FREE Zwilling knife on your third box at https://www.hellofresh.com/random10fm -Head to https://www.squarespace.com/CLUBRANDOM to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code CLUBRANDOM. Subscribe to the Club Random YouTube channel: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/c/clubrandompodcast?sub_confirmation=1⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Watch episodes ad-free – subscribe to Bill Maher’s Substack: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://billmaher.substack.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to the podcast for free wherever you listen: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/ClubRandom⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Buy Club Random Merch: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://clubrandom.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices ABOUT CLUB RANDOM Bill Maher rewrites the rules of podcasting the way he did in television in this series of one on one, hour long conversations with a wide variety of unexpected guests in the undisclosed location called Club Random. There’s a whole big world out there that isn’t about politics and Bill and his guests—from Bill Burr and Jerry Seinfeld to Jordan Peterson, Quentin Tarantino and Neil DeGrasse Tyson—talk about all of it. For advertising opportunities please email: [email protected] ABOUT BILL MAHER Bill Maher was the host of “Politically Incorrect” (Comedy Central, ABC) from 1993-2002, and for the last fourteen years on HBO’s “Real Time,” Maher’s combination of unflinching honesty and big laughs have garnered him 40 Emmy nominations. Maher won his first Emmy in 2014 as executive producer for the HBO series, “VICE.” In October of 2008, this same combination was on display in Maher’s uproarious and unprecedented swipe at organized religion, “Religulous.” Maher has written five bestsellers: “True Story,” “Does Anybody Have a Problem with That? Politically Incorrect’s Greatest Hits,” “When You Ride Alone, You Ride with Bin Laden,” “New Rules: Polite Musings from a Timid Observer,” and most recently, “The New New Rules: A Funny Look at How Everybody But Me Has Their Head Up Their Ass.” FOLLOW CLUB RANDOM https://www.clubrandom.com https://www.facebook.com/Club-Random-101776489118185 https://twitter.com/clubrandom_ https://www.instagram.com/clubrandompodcast https://www.tiktok.com/@clubrandompodcast FOLLOW BILL MAHER https://www.billmaher.com https://twitter.com/billmaher https://www.instagram.com/billmaher Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 2:11Bill Maher?

  Certainly, they are not beefing.

• 2:13Speaker 03

  I don't think we would know.

• 2:14Bill Maher?

  We would, if they were beefing, right above us.

• 2:20Speaker 03

  He's the greatest filmmaker of all time.

• 2:21Bill Maher?

  He is, absolutely. I always say about him, he's known as the greatest filmmaker, and he's still underrated.

• 2:29Bill Maher?

  Dan?

• 2:30Speaker 03

  Hey, how you doing?

• 2:32Bill Maher?

  Good, how are you?

• 2:32Speaker 03

  Good to see you, man.

• 2:34Bill Maher?

  Dan, your spaceship is double parked out.

• 2:37Speaker 03

  Thanks for having me.

• 2:38Bill Maher?

  We're gonna have to move that.

• 2:39Speaker 03

  I got dropped off.

• 2:42Bill Maher?

  You don't travel in a spaceship, Dan? Are there people who think that... Do you get hate for being the apostle here of the UFOs? No hate mail on that?

• 2:54Speaker 03

  Not really, not really.

• 2:56Bill Maher?

  That's amazing, because this country is so divided that I would think anything like... Because certainly, you know, it's in your documentary, and I talked about it on my show with Marjorie Taylor Greene, who concurs with some of the people in the Defense Department who think aliens, they're demons. We're talking about angels and demons, fallen angels is what Marjorie Taylor said. That's, I mean, you say aliens, other people. To me, this could be the dividing line to start like a lot of online fighting, no?

• 3:28Speaker 03

  You know, like, everybody's, you know, allowed to have their own opinion. The one thing I have gotten, I have gotten, um...

• 3:35Speaker 03

  I have gotten some like angry DMs on these social media sites where people are like, "I want more evidence, I want to see this, I want to see that." And I'm like, "I do too, we all want more," but, you know, to me...

• 3:44Bill Maher?

  Angry that you're not giving enough evidence, or angry that you're just saying this and it's really something like demons or angels?

• 3:54Speaker 03

  There's a lot of people who just wish there was more evidence for them to see, but I think, you know, I think disclosure of this stuff is a process.

• 4:00Bill Maher?

  Well, I saw, I cut this out of the paper the other day, just because I wanted to read it. It was just, just yesterday, uh, "The British military actively just tried to obtain extraterrestrial technology in the 90s."

• 4:16Bill Maher?

  This just came out, they just released this. "After thousands of reported sightings over Belgium between November 1989 and April 1990, large, silent, low-flying, black triangles demonstrating propulsion capabilities far beyond any known flight technology." And the British thought they needed to find out what it is so they could reverse-engineer it. They, you know, said, "We gotta have this."

• 4:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, I saw that too. There's a lot of activity, historical activity, in the UK. There's a, one of the interviews I did that I had to just cut for time in the film, I interviewed a former base commander of Rendlesham, of a base that was in Rendlesham Forest in the UK.

• 5:05Bill Maher?

  Oh yeah, they mentioned that, yeah. It's in Suffolk, England.

• 5:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, so it was a joint, at the time, it was a joint base between, between UK and US, and there, on Christmas Eve, can't remember which year, it was in the 80s, there was a big UAP event, just outside the base, and...

• 5:23Bill Maher?

  UAP is the old UFO, huh?

• 5:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 5:27Bill Maher?

  That really, really changed things a lot when they made that change, huh?

• 5:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, I, I think it helps, I mean, I really do.

• 5:32Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 5:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, so, one of the guys I interviewed...

• 5:35Bill Maher?

  Unidentified flying object, unidentified aerial phenomenon?

• 5:39Speaker 03

  Unidentified, it stands for unidentified anomalous phenomenon.

• 5:43Bill Maher?

  Oh, for fuck's sake. It's a UFO, and we got used to UFO, and it's the same thing, and you're just confusing people. It's not helpful, it's unhelpful.

• 5:52Speaker 03

  There's two valid reasons. So, one of the guys I interviewed, Jay Stratton, very senior intelligence official, he found that when he would bring up UFOs in certain rooms, it led to this giggle factor, and there's a stigma around that word. So, UAP allows it to be looked at differently. Also, a lot of the activity is happening in our oceans, and these things aren't flying, like, UFO stands for flying.

• 6:16Bill Maher?

  All right, all right, fine.

• 6:17Speaker 03

  So, there you go.

• 6:18Bill Maher?

  Take it. But, to me, it seems like a minor, you're probably right about that. Okay, so we'll get used to the new one, but it's probably... So inconsequential compared to what to me seems like the issue. And you know, you were on Real Time recently. Yeah, yeah, no, I mean, the movie, your movie, Age of Disclosure, about this is groundbreaking. And you know, I'm on your page, basically. I mean, look, do we know anything? No, I just feel like it gets harder and harder as the evidence accumulates.

• 6:59Bill Maher?

  And you know, what your movie did so well was it arrayed this lineup of very credible people, including the Secretary of State, senators, you know, military people. Not the, you know, when I was first doing comedy, it was all these jokes about, "A little green man came down and they ate my wife and she liked that." You know, that just, that was all it, probing my asshole. And now it's not that. It's not the farmer in the middle of nowhere. It's very credible people, so.

• 7:33Speaker 03

  That's what I wanted to do. I wanted to make the most credible doc ever made on the topic. Something that wasn't sensational. I always wished this film existed. Over the years, I've been fascinated with this topic. I've watched every doc on it. I've watched every movie or series about it. And I always wished someone would go, take the time to make a documentary that only interviewed people who have direct knowledge of this as a result of working for the US government. And to just have them share what they lawfully can, not sensationalize it, don't just throw some random guy in there because it's cool casting. Just set the bar at like, real credible people who actually have direct knowledge of this.

• 8:08Bill Maher?

  Well, I mean, part of the reason why this documentary couldn't have been done 10 years ago is because there weren't nearly as many credible people. The things we've seen in the last decade, and the testimony from people like in the Navy who've seen these phenomenon, I don't remember that happening before 10 years ago. It looks to me like the aliens kind of want us to know that they're here. It doesn't look like they're hiding it much anymore. They may be saying, "Jesus Christ, these people are taking a long time to come around to what is fairly obvious," you know.

• 8:52Bill Maher?

  And as I said to you on Real Time, I'm not.

• 8:58Bill Maher?

  That upset about it because obviously they have the capability to do great harm. And they're not. They seem to be just monitoring. That could change.

• 9:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, as the film, as people in the film talk about. Circumstances change. We've, we've evolved technologically.

• 9:16Bill Maher?

  Not with these lighters.

• 9:18Speaker 03

  Here's another one.

• 9:20Bill Maher?

  I'm either the unluckiest person in the world. Who I, every time I try to get a simple Zippo lighter, I'm not trying to. I'm embarrassed the Zippo company, but maybe there's like a, a, a really good version of this. I, I don't know. I do what I'm supposed to do. I put the thing in and that's what. And it works once at home and then I do it here and it doesn't work.

• 9:40Speaker 03

  You got an old school, old school Vic.

• 9:42Bill Maher?

  I, I, if the aliens come, I would like to make this their first mission. To get this fucking lighter working.

• 9:49Speaker 03

  True quality of lighter.

• 9:50Bill Maher?

  They're so cool looking and I like them. They just don't work for me.

• 9:53Speaker 03

  Hilarious.

• 9:54Bill Maher?

  Maybe it's me. But I'm sorry, what were you saying?

• 9:57Speaker 03

  No, the, you know. A lot of people talk about how. If more intelligent life is here and they haven't destroyed us. You know, there's hasn't been a, you know, war of the worlds type moment that that means that they're completely benign and there's nothing to worry about. And, you know, that's a nice positive thought for sure and that'd be amazing if that's true. But I think a lot of the intelligence officials in my film went out of their way to say it's, you know. Good to prepare for all scenarios and the reality of it is like we've evolved technologically. At a really rapid pace over the last 80 years. But our morals haven't, right?

• 10:34Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 10:34Speaker 03

  We're still invading sovereign nations. We're still threatening nuclear war.

• 10:37Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 10:37Speaker 03

  We're a violent species.

• 10:38Bill Maher?

  They, they may be in the process of deciding.

• 10:42Speaker 03

  And so the, but, but, but the point a lot of the people in my film make is that. We're kind of like barreling towards a crossroads where we're. We're reaching the point of either already doing what, being able to do what they do. Or soon being able to do what they do. And at that point they would have to contend with us and we're, we're a violent species and so it kind of. Kind of puts a lot in perspective and I think one of the takeaways a lot of people told me they had from the film is men, humanity's really gotta get their shit together and, you know, kinda come together on this because we're all in this situation together and that's a tough task.

• 11:14Bill Maher?

  That's not gonna happen.

• 11:15Speaker 03

  It's probably not gonna happen, right?

• 11:16Bill Maher?

  Totally not gonna happen.

• 11:17Speaker 03

  So then it's like, okay, well then we guys gotta be prepared for all scenarios.

• 11:21Bill Maher?

  The good news is, and again, I think I mentioned this to you, it reminds me of, you know, the movies where the bad guy or somebody likes a lot so says, "Come on, if I wanted you to be dead, you'd be dead already." That's, I feel like, where we are with the aliens right now.

• 11:38Speaker 03

  Possibly.

• 11:39Bill Maher?

  That doesn't mean tomorrow, it won't change and I do think one compelling piece of evidence about the whole shebang is that they did seem to appear right after the nuclear age began. It seems like that triggered...

• 11:57Speaker 03

  Or proactive, yeah, more actively.

• 11:58Bill Maher?

  You first see it, of course, the bomb is 1945. 1947 really is when we first, Roswell and stuff like that. To me, that's quite a coincidence or it's like, oh, they're watching us.

• 12:14Speaker 03

  It seems like that's when they started paying attention.

• 12:17Bill Maher?

  Let's pay attention, they've reached the nuclear threshold. Remember when we were nuclear? Little green fellow people here on the planet. We were crazy and we did crazy things and we had these bombs and it was polluting and it was just terrible. But let's keep an eye on them.

• 12:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, look, the people in my film all feel, everyone I discussed a specific point with felt strongly that once you crack the atom, it puts you on this trajectory towards doing what they do. And it's only a matter of time at that point and so that's when they started monitoring us. The thing that the people I interviewed are more concerned about than possible intentions of non-human intelligent life is what would happen if an adversary cracked this technology before we did and used it for bad. Because this technology has the potential to revolutionize the way we live and change things for the better. It could be the solution to the energy crisis, it could lead to interstellar travel, a lot of technological breakthroughs could come off the back of it that could be great for

• 13:22Speaker 03

  us, but it could also be used as the most terrifying weapon of mass destruction. You could instantaneously deliver a nuclear weapon.

• 13:31Speaker 03

  To the other side of the planet.

• 13:32Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I mean, maybe the tipping point is fusion. I mean, we've learned how to split the atom. That's nuclear. But that's not really where the gold is. The gold is in fusion, which they're getting closer. Fusion is the opposite. We're putting them together at temperatures that are hotter than the sun. So the challenge is not just doing that. They seem to be able to do that. But then how do you channel that? Like, how do you not, whatever's holding this energy, how do you not melt that thing? You know? So plainly, the aliens have this.

• 14:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:11Bill Maher?

  I mean, they have something that we don't have.

• 14:14Speaker 03

  An energy source that we haven't realized.

• 14:16Bill Maher?

  Yes, that allows them, I mean, all the witnesses pretty much say, some variation of, you know, the thing can hover for three hours and then just move at speeds we've never seen before.

• 14:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:29Bill Maher?

  Or go, as you say, in the ocean without losing any speed. You know, there seems to be no element of friction there. They seem to be moving in a way that...

• 14:44Speaker 03

  Just defies physics as we know it, essentially.

• 14:46Bill Maher?

  As we know it.

• 14:46Speaker 03

  That's the simplest way to say it, yeah.

• 14:48Bill Maher?

  So I can't help but think that is tied to fusion and maybe something beyond fusion. But that's our next moment in human history.

• 14:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:57Bill Maher?

  Is fusion. And we're knocking on the doorstep, but we're still a very long way away.

• 15:03Speaker 03

  There's also a lot of forces working against technology like that coming to the forefront. You know, I mean, look how, we see it in the news this week, how significant oil is to the world, right?

• 15:14Bill Maher?

  Oh, yeah.

• 15:15Speaker 03

  You know, the introduction of a new energy source would basically overnight destroy an entire marketplace that has driven the world for years.

• 15:26Bill Maher?

  I'll say this for Trump's move into Venezuela. I mean, I don't totally hate it. Some of it I do hate. But to the aliens who are worried that we are getting too advanced, sure, that was very reassuring. Not this guy. This guy's still thinking about oil?

• 15:48Bill Maher?

  And still thinking about, you know, stuff like whatever he's thinking about. It's not, it's not, what do you think, what do you think Donald Trump knows about?

• 15:58Speaker 03

  So I think he's become very aware of the situation in the last few months. And I think he, behind the scenes, is pursuing the truth about the things he is in the dark on. I, I hope that he, you know, steps up this year and tells the world definitively that we're not alone in the universe, because he knows those base facts and he could share that with the world. And I think, I think it would be the greatest moment a leader could possibly have. I mean, there's no bigger moment in the history of humanity.

• 16:28Bill Maher?

  I don't think any of us have ever known him to ever not share. Like, when he, I saw yesterday, he put out these, no, he didn't do it yesterday, but they were talking about it yesterday on CNN, these text messages that the head of NATO, who used to be the, I think, the president of Denmark, had sent him. And they were very complimentary, you know, I mean, it's not a big secret that a great way to ingratiate yourself with our president is to be complimentary. And they were meant to be private, but of course, Trump puts them on Truth Social because, you know, here's a guy, an important guy saying nice things about me, I'm just gonna put it out there.

• 17:11Bill Maher?

  I mean, Kanye does the same thing, you know, don't expect, a lot of the younger generation, don't expect anything to ever be private. They just don't have that same feeling, so just don't put it out there. But again, I, I don't remember President Trump ever really holding anything back, so I feel like if he-

• 17:30Speaker 03

  I think he's proactively gathering information right now.

• 17:32Bill Maher?

  That could be true, that absolutely could be true. I mean, he's, could be waiting for the, the right moment, like a week-

• 17:38Speaker 03

  This week's not the right moment.

• 17:39Bill Maher?

  A week before the next election. The aliens are here, and if I'm not here to stop it, you know, I can see that.

• 17:47Speaker 03

  Look, I think it, literally, in all seriousness, it would be the biggest moment a leader could ever have in human history. It, it, it's bigger than any huge presidential speech. Like, think about, think about those great moments leaders have had in our history, like from Gettysburg Address to Kennedy's Space Race speech, Martin Luther King's "I Have a Dream" speech.

• 18:05Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 18:05Speaker 03

  Whatever you put on the list, this would be bigger than that. And it's also arguably the most bipartisan moment you could possibly have. There's, this issue is the most bipartisan issue in politics right now. The leaders from both parties are aligned on wanting more disclosure, and more aligned on that than anything else.

• 18:25Bill Maher?

  Yeah, when I think about the famous New York Times headline, "When We Walked on the Moon", I don't think they've ever had a bigger typeface than not, "Men Walk on Moon", you know, giant letters.

• 18:39Speaker 03

  Picture "We Are Not Alone".

• 18:41Bill Maher?

  You know, what, how big a type do you need for this headline?

• 18:46Speaker 03

  That's a full page.

• 18:47Bill Maher?

  If it was definitive proof, you know, like, "Little Green Man arrives, says, 'Take us to your leader'". I mean, they don't have type.

• 18:56Speaker 03

  I mean, I think it's just simply, "We are, we are not alone", and a US president stepping to the microphone and making that clear for the entire human population, it just would have so many huge consequences.

• 19:08Bill Maher?

  And it's your belief, I think, and many others, that the reason this really hasn't happened is because it would scare people.

• 19:15Speaker 03

  No, no.

• 19:16Bill Maher?

  No?

• 19:16Speaker 03

  I think there's a lot of reasons. Like, we go into a lot of reasons in the film, but those reasons have sort of changed over time. I think originally, it was simply, if you put yourself in the shoes of military intelligence officials in the 40s, and you realize this is real, you've got to find out a lot of answers to your own questions before you make it known, right? And then I think they found out that this was happening in "Adversarial Nations 2", and then it became like a Cold War dynamic of, "We've got to keep this secret because we don't want our enemies to know what we know and don't know", and one of the ways they kept it secret is they created the stigma around this topic. That's revealed in my film. One of the senior CIA officials in my film says that... Elements of the intelligence community, including the CIA, created the stigma around

• 20:01Speaker 03

  this early on, late 40s, early 50s, to get people thinking it's crazy if you look into this. It's a kind of a genius way to get people avoid, you know, asking questions, right? And looking into it. And then that gets into the culture and it gets compounded over the years, then the stigma gets created. Then the stigma became a reason for people not to want to speak up about it, because no one wanted their reputation ruined.

• 20:24Bill Maher?

  But would there not be panic?

• 20:27Speaker 03

  I think there, I think at one point, people, early on, I think in the 40s and 50s, there was a general feeling amongst military and intelligence people that knew about this, that we need to, we need to learn a lot more about this before we tell the world, there's a situation that we don't know anything about and we can't protect you from, and cause panic, right? But I, I think it's naive to think that in 2026, people are going to be jumping out of buildings if they find out of, that we're not alone in the universe.

• 20:54Bill Maher?

  Not jumping out of buildings, but I can't imagine a lot of rednecks wouldn't be like, we gotta kill these motherfuckers now, while we got them in our sights, while we got, we got the muscle, we got the armaments, we got everything we need, we gotta kill these people, we don't, I can't believe there wouldn't be that faction in America.

• 21:16Speaker 03

  There'll be.

• 21:17Bill Maher?

  Or all over the world.

• 21:18Speaker 03

  There'll be a lot of mixed responses, but ultimately, the reality of it is, one of the big learnings from making this film is that we are in a race with adversarial nations, most notably China, to crack this technology. And we have a better chance of winning that race.

• 21:37Bill Maher?

  More technology.

• 21:38Speaker 03

  UAP technology, the technology at play, like, so the film reveals that.

• 21:43Bill Maher?

  You mean reverse engineering their craft?

• 21:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, so the film reveals that.

• 21:47Bill Maher?

  Do we have their craft?

• 21:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, so, yeah, so a number of the intelligence officials in the film reveal that there's a deeply hidden crash retrieval program in the US, there's also one in Russia and China.

• 21:57Bill Maher?

  So some of them have crashed.

• 21:58Speaker 03

  Some of them have crashed.

• 21:59Bill Maher?

  So they're not perfect?

• 22:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, and we've retrieved some of that technology.

• 22:01Bill Maher?

  They're, they're aliens, they're not fucking gods, right?

• 22:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:05Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I mean, that's, that's just the fact.

• 22:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, they're dealing with technology.

• 22:09Bill Maher?

  Because I've heard people say, well, if they're so, if they're so advanced, how come they keep crashing their vehicles? Well, I don't think they keep crashing their vehicles, I think, you know.

• 22:20Speaker 03

  All technology has some kind of, like.

• 22:24Speaker 03

  Either flaw or vulnerability, right? And so, one of the things that people in my film talk about is, in the early days of our atomic weapons program, we realized an unintended consequence of testing was it could cause some of these UAP that we didn't know were there to crash. So there's been all these learnings over time of what could cause these things to crash.

• 22:53Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I'm sure there are some, one reason why they have been monitoring us for so long is because they don't know about this planet. And they're finding out, they're gathering information. I mean, if, I don't know if you-

• 23:05Speaker 03

  Or they've been here long before us.

• 23:06Bill Maher?

  Or they have been here long before us.

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• 24:08Bill Maher?

  But if it's the reverse, if they're just discovering us and we're alarmed because they got the little beep on their phone that said, "Oh, they went nuclear. Okay, we're gonna get down there and see what's going on." I mean, like in War of the Worlds, which is what I go by, that's my bible. No, I'm kidding. Because when has Scientology ever led us astray scientifically? But, you know, that is sort of based, that is the Scientology. I mean, I can see why Tom Cruise was attracted to do that movie. Other than the fact that it's an awesome movie and Spielberg directed it. But it is about the, because I think in Scientology, they believe that stuff was buried underground and then came up, and that's what happens in War of the Worlds.

• 24:51Bill Maher?

  But as you remember, in War of the Worlds, there's no real ending to it. The aliens are totally kicking our ass, and then they just die. And Morgan Freeman does the voiceover, and everyone is like, okay.

• 25:04Speaker 03

  That's also what happens at the end of Crystal Skull, Indiana Jones' Crystal Skull. They find the UFO that was buried underneath the pyramid, rises up at the end of the movie.

• 25:12Bill Maher?

  And dies?

• 25:13Speaker 03

  No, just rises, it comes, rises up.

• 25:14Bill Maher?

  Because in War of the Worlds, they just die because they got a virus.

• 25:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:19Bill Maher?

  So it's really COVID. If they had just worn the masks, I'm always saying to everybody, let's go back to wearing masks. I'm kidding, of course.

• 25:28Speaker 03

  But like, going back to the thing that concerned everyone I interviewed was that if we as a nation don't take this more seriously and make it a real national priority, then we could wake up one day and find out that China beat us in this race, and the consequences could be huge.

• 25:45Bill Maher?

  So what does that mean? China would be allied with the?

• 25:48Speaker 03

  No, no, no.

• 25:49Bill Maher?

  Aliens?

• 25:50Speaker 03

  So a number of the officials in the film reveal that our country and Russia and China all have these hidden programs that are retrieving crashed UAP and trying to reverse engineer them. And it's a technology race. They refer to it as the Manhattan Project on steroids. And so the idea is, you know, here we have this stigma that originally was created to keep people from looking into this, and now it's kind of backfiring. And that we're in a technology race now, and the majority of scientists in our country don't even know this is real. They don't know it's a valid area of inquiry.

• 26:21Bill Maher?

  Well, that, you get to something that I found so fascinating in the movie, which is the idea that A lot of what we know about all of this phenomenon is compartmentalized.

• 26:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 26:34Bill Maher?

  Like, the CIA knows this, and the Energy Department knows this, and the Defense Department knows this, and they don't necessarily share the information. And we gotta, I mean, to me, this is a little like the Epstein files, except not underage girls, little green men.

• 26:53Bill Maher?

  Like, we want the files out. We want you to collate all the files, because we saw with the Epstein thing, it was a shit show. It came out drip by drab, some of it was real, then suddenly we got a million more, and, you know.

• 27:07Speaker 03

  I mean, honestly, the better analogy-

• 27:08Bill Maher?

  I feel like that's what's going on with this, except, again, not underage girls, little green men. And if we could just get all these agencies to share, because you are all on the same team, guys, we're all in the American government, share, and then, and then, because that has to happen, I think, before they release it to the people.

• 27:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, but the best, honestly, the better analogy is the 9/11 situation. Intelligence, the intelligence community wasn't sharing information in the most effective way, and there was intelligence gaps, and then this horrible intelligence failure happened, and, and this attack happened, and, and we all dealt with the consequences, and then what hap, what happened after that? Everyone said, oh, this has to be course corrected, so we formed the Director of National Intelligence position as, as an answer to that, right? And their sole job is to coordinate the intelligence community, so information is actually shared, right?

• 28:05Bill Maher?

  All we did was create a giant, new, ridiculously large, unobservable, in many ways, bureaucracy.

• 28:14Speaker 03

  But the point is that we, history shows bad things happen when our intelligence community doesn't share information, and so-

• 28:19Bill Maher?

  I know, but, you know-

• 28:19Speaker 03

  With this situation.

• 28:20Bill Maher?

  I remember my joke at the time that we'd created the Department of Homeland Security was, gosh, if we only had some sort of central intelligence agency. You see my point? We already had it.

• 28:34Speaker 03

  But their job, the CIA's-

• 28:35Bill Maher?

  They need to get rid of-

• 28:36Speaker 03

  CIA's job was never to coordinate all of the various intelligence community elements. That was never their stated purpose. Whereas the Director of National Intelligence, that's their purpose.

• 28:49Bill Maher?

  Yeah, and you know what? I gotta give them credit.

• 28:55Bill Maher?

  I mean, something worked. Now, maybe it was just that the jihadists decided to take a break. I mean, they have been at it for over a thousand years, so like, they played the long game. Maybe it was like, okay, we visit a painful chastisement on the infidel. Let's take a couple of decades off. That could be, I don't think that's it.

• 29:14Speaker 03

  No, I think we put resources towards this, and it's working.

• 29:16Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I think, yes.

• 29:17Speaker 03

  And so if we put resources towards the UAP issue, and we make the base facts known,

• 29:21Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 29:21Speaker 03

  a lot of great change will come out of that. And the US will lead in that technology race.

• 29:27Bill Maher?

  Well, I find it very interesting that your movie is called The Age of Disclosure. And Spielberg has a movie coming out called-

• 29:35Speaker 03

  Disclosure Day.

• 29:37Bill Maher?

  What is the key word here that we seem to be tracking? It would be disclosure. I mean, it seems like this is the issue now, that we've- For a lot of people, we move past the question, is it happening? It's a little like climate change. There was a time when it was like, is it happening? Is it man-made? And then, you know, of course, there are stragglers who don't believe it is, but they're not credible people.

• 30:00Speaker 03

  You know, it's interesting, what was the turning point in that? Al Gore's Inconvenient Truth, a documentary, right?

• 30:05Bill Maher?

  It was, yeah, I mean, certainly that came out, you know, I think 2002 or something. I feel like by the 90s, people were on the page of, it's happening, and it is man-made. What to do about it? That's a debate we absolutely can and shouldn't be having. But there are still stragglers, you know, who don't believe in that, as they will always be with this. There will always be stragglers. But basically, you pass these tipping points where it's like, evolution. You know, when 1859, Darwin put that out. It wasn't like in 1860, everybody was like, oh, evolution, we all believe in that. It took a while before it's tested, people challenge it. And then it's like, okay, this is the reality, let's go on to the next question.

• 30:50Bill Maher?

  I feel like we should be on to the question of, again, I don't think it's coincidence that this word comes up in both- These films disclosure. And I feel like when they look back now, the Spielberg movie comes out in June. I feel like, you know, you're gonna be the John the Baptist to this. Jesus Christ of a movie because it is Spielberg. It's something zillions of people are gonna see. It's about the same subject, but it's for the masses. Not that your movie didn't do great, but it's like this is now.

• 31:22Speaker 03

  Number one bestselling documentary ever on Prime Video.

• 31:25Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 31:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:26Bill Maher?

  Yeah, yeah, people are interested and people get it. And I feel like from the history majors point of view, the analogy is this. The Roman Empire was persecuting Christians. You know, feeding them to the lions, that old shit in the third century.

• 31:48Bill Maher?

  Thirty years later, they were Christians. You know, they went from feeding them to the lions to, okay, now we are that.

• 31:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:58Bill Maher?

  One emperor declared it, and then we all just fell in line. Maybe it took a few years, I'm sure, but I feel like that's where we are with this. Like it was a eye roll for a long time. Oh, aliens, UFOs, yeah, sure, sure, sure. And maybe that's still gonna be the case. We don't know, nobody knows. But I feel like it's it's it's passing that tipping point where if you're the person who really thinks we're alone in the universe, you're kind of on the side of.

• 32:30Speaker 03

  Not flat earthers and yeah.

• 32:32Bill Maher?

  Yeah, flat earthers, right. You're you're exactly, you're you're kind of or global warming isn't, you know, I mean, Republicans were still saying that it wasn't real and it wasn't man made very recently. I mean, certainly in the last 20 years, they were trotting out silly. There was one Newsweek story in the seventies about how the planet was cooling. Look, the planet's cooling, they used to say. And that and it's like, okay, you know what? You can you can always convince a certain number of people.

• 33:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:03Bill Maher?

  But I feel like this is where it's gonna go. And I feel like the big thing is gonna be the Spielberg movie.

• 33:09Speaker 03

  Everyone I interviewed was really clear with me that it's not a question as to whether this is real. That's we're way past that. Every single person I interviewed made that very clear. Their educated opinion was we are way, way past that. Now the question is. Where are they from? What's their intention?

• 33:24Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 33:24Speaker 03

  And can we, as a nation, crack this technology before an adversary does? And they all took that extremely seriously. And they thought, everyone I interviewed thought, that getting rid of the stigma in our country is a huge, huge hurdle to winning that technology race. We have, we have to get rid of the stigma so that academia and the scientific community can take this seriously and know it's a valid area of inquiry and help us win this technology race. And they all thought that this documentary is gonna play a major role in opening the public's eyes. And I heard that over and over from everybody, from Rubio on down. And they were all very, very serious about it. I do think it's power movies, though, as you're talking about Stevens movie.

• 34:08Speaker 03

  You know, movies have a unique power to open people's eyes to thoughts.

• 34:11Bill Maher?

  They absolutely do.

• 34:12Speaker 03

  I'm into this topic because my childhood was the eighties and early nineties. And my favorite movie since I was a little kid was Close Encounters. I grew up on Close Encounters, E.T., X-Files was on television when I was in school. And Close Encounters made a huge impact on me. It made me curious about these big questions, made me curious about this topic. You know, it presented it in a very grounded way. It's a very ahead-of-its-time movie.

• 34:36Bill Maher?

  Well, I have always been a proponent of the idea that everything the movies depict then comes to life, which is why the fact that there are so many movies about post-apocalyptic world, you know, after the war, after the war came and now it's a hellscape, it's The Baron, and it's just, you know, Denzel and somebody else walking across a desert. You know, it's just terrible. Because I feel like I've just seen it too many times. Well, whatever they're predicting is gonna come true. And that, I mean, I remember seeing Minority Report, a great Spielberg movie, and they had screens.

• 35:20Bill Maher?

  They were just touching and moving things on the screen, which we all do a billion times a day now. But then it was like, wow. Or even flip phones in Star Trek.

• 35:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:29Bill Maher?

  You know, I mean, lots of stuff.

• 35:31Speaker 03

  No, he's always forward-thinking and covering things that will come to be. Another great, great film from years ago that was ahead of its time was Abyss. With all the activity under the ocean.

• 35:43Bill Maher?

  That's James Cameron in the ocean. I mean, he loves the ocean. It was not a good movie.

• 35:48Speaker 03

  Oh, I liked it. I liked it a lot.

• 35:50Bill Maher?

  As movie making, I don't, I mean, I don't remember it that well. I remember being bored to tears in the theater. And I'm a big Cameron fan. I love Titanic.

• 35:59Speaker 03

  You watch it. It's a good one.

• 36:00Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 36:00Speaker 03

  And yeah, and Close Encounters, I watch every few months.

• 36:04Bill Maher?

  Is that, is that about space people in the ocean?

• 36:07Speaker 03

  The Abyss is about, you know, non-human intelligent life under the ocean.

• 36:10Bill Maher?

  Oh.

• 36:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:12Bill Maher?

  And what's the, uh, spoiler alert, what's the end?

• 36:16Speaker 03

  Just, just, just the takeaway is that there is other life here and it's in the ocean. And a number of the people in my film go on the record about the UAP activity in our oceans. Even, you know, from senior members of Congress to intelligence officials, they talk about technology that's not from here, that's otherworldly, that has been seen coming in out of the ocean and into the ocean. And then in conversations I've had outside of the film, people have told me about activity that's been tracked by our submarines. That's just absolutely bonkers, like massive crafts moving at crazy speeds under the water, going past our submarines. So there's a there there. There's a real situation.

• 37:01Bill Maher?

  Yeah, if you, if you were an alien and you wanted to hide here on the earth itself.

• 37:05Speaker 03

  You'd do it on our ocean, yeah.

• 37:06Bill Maher?

  You'd do it under, because the ocean is very unexplored.

• 37:09Speaker 03

  It's like, say, yeah, in my film, Admiral Tim Gallaudet says that we have studied the surface of the moon in more detail than we have the bottoms of our oceans. And our oceans are like 75%, 75% of our planet is ocean, right?

• 37:24Bill Maher?

  Well, that's if you believe we went to the moon.

• 37:28Speaker 03

  Yeah. But I do think, I really do think that, going back to the power of movies, you know, I wouldn't have made this movie or been interested in this topic had I not, you know, watched Close Encounters countless times and had my curiosity peaked. And I think that, you know, my hope is there's people out there who start looking into this topic because they watched this documentary or because they watched Stephen's movie and. In June and they start thinking about it differently, taking it seriously.

• 37:54Bill Maher?

  So let's, let's go through the movies and what they depicted and see if that's how it's really gonna happen. Close Encounters, we wanna communicate with the aliens. And we do it through, as I recall, a synthesizer? You know, he's.

• 38:10Speaker 03

  Frequencies.

• 38:12Bill Maher?

  Playing this tune.

• 38:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:13Bill Maher?

  And then they play the tune back.

• 38:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:16Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 38:16Speaker 03

  It's like, yeah.

• 38:17Bill Maher?

  So maybe it's that. Then there was a movie called, I think called Arrival.

• 38:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's a great movie too.

• 38:23Bill Maher?

  That is. A great movie?

• 38:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think it's great.

• 38:26Bill Maher?

  Remember loving that one either.

• 38:27Speaker 03

  That's really good.

• 38:29Bill Maher?

  I feel like.

• 38:30Speaker 03

  You gotta do a binge.

• 38:30Bill Maher?

  I feel like your interest in this topic is so. See, I'm just looking as a, you know.

• 38:36Speaker 03

  Now that you've watched this doc, you gotta do a binge, yeah.

• 38:38Bill Maher?

  Okay, but in that one, I remember there was just a lot of, uh, the aliens writing in this big curlicue language on a screen. And it was like, it didn't look like anything we've ever seen, but it was some sort of writing.

• 38:52Speaker 03

  Some sort of contact event, some sort of communication, yeah.

• 38:55Bill Maher?

  So how do you think it'll happen? What, how will we? I mean, shouldn't they know with all their advanced knowledge? Can't they just have a English to alien thing in their phone that?

• 39:06Speaker 03

  I mean, you know, some of, some of the people in my film talk about how there have been contact events. Some of the intelligence officials in my film talk about, uh, learning of an event that happened, um, where UAP landed on a, on a military base and non-human beings interacted with CIA and Air Force officials.

• 39:25Bill Maher?

  When you see, I mean, when you say interacted, you mean dating?

• 39:31Bill Maher?

  No, but what do you mean by interacting? You meant they had a conver.

• 39:34Speaker 03

  Said they interacted, they communicated somehow. That's, that's what, you know, a.

• 39:38Bill Maher?

  Well, what's the somehow? They must, if they're, if they're testifying about this, what's the somehow?

• 39:44Speaker 03

  That was, that was all that was said. And they, and the intelligence official in the film talks about a conversation he had with, um, President Bush I, senior, about this. And, um, yeah, it's a fascinating part of the film. Uh, Hallam and Air Force Base is the name of it.

• 39:59Bill Maher?

  I loved it that Bush II, his comment was, "I ain't telling."

• 40:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's one of the, that's.

• 40:05Bill Maher?

  I mean, that says a lot.

• 40:06Speaker 03

  That was one of the.

• 40:07Bill Maher?

  "I ain't telling."

• 40:07Speaker 03

  But that was one of the coolest.

• 40:09Bill Maher?

  But Texas, if they try to mess with Texas. Where the point of the spear.

• 40:16Speaker 03

  What he talks about in that section of the film, I think is fascinating. A bunch of the people I interviewed revealed that during Bush two's administration, shortly after nine eleven, he was contemplating going public with the base facts that he had learned that we're not alone in the universe.

• 40:31Bill Maher?

  Is that right?

• 40:31Speaker 03

  And they held, they held a multi-day, I think it was two or three day think tank where they invited a couple dozen people to come and evaluate what the pros and cons would be. And they basically ranked, they were tasked with debating and then, and then applying a number to the impact. So on a scale of one to 10, like 10 being a bad impact, too much impact, one being minimal impact to every like vertical of society, like religion, the economy, all these different areas they came up with. And a number of the people that were part of this think tank, they went into it excited about it and hopeful that it would bring about disclosure. And then they all came out on the other side deciding it would be a bad idea, that the time wasn't right for it. This was like right after nine eleven.

• 41:12Speaker 03

  One of the people in that think tank is in my film, is Dr. Hal Hoodoff, is a senior scientist for my film, worked on a lot of classified UAP programs.

• 41:19Bill Maher?

  Well, that wasn't Bush one.

• 41:21Speaker 03

  No, it was two.

• 41:21Bill Maher?

  Bush two, okay, right.

• 41:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, one was the one who talked about the Hal, Halley landing.

• 41:26Bill Maher?

  So this think tank was when Bush two was.

• 41:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, and then they decided not to do it and not to go public with it.

• 41:32Bill Maher?

  Well, that was prudent, to use the father's term. I mean, not after nine eleven, you know, like it's, let's deal with the jihadists before we deal with the aliens.

• 41:41Speaker 03

  It's also come out recently that Cheney was very involved in covering this up.

• 41:49Speaker 03

  No longer around, obviously.

• 41:52Bill Maher?

  What are you saying, something nefarious, that the, the aliens killed him because he knew too much?

• 41:56Speaker 03

  No, no, I'm saying he, maybe, maybe it'll lead to change that he's no longer around.

• 41:59Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I don't think it was them. He had a heart that plugged into the wall, okay?

• 42:03Speaker 03

  No, I didn't mean it like that.

• 42:04Bill Maher?

  This guy was not well when he died, but.

• 42:07Speaker 03

  No, I didn't mean like that. I mean, he was involved in the decision to, to not have it go public.

• 42:10Bill Maher?

  My guess is he would have had Halliburton digging on the planet X-ray before they ever signed a deal, but not to speak ill of the dead, but so.

• 42:23Speaker 03

  What do you think will happen? Now you've seen, you've seen this documentary, you've seen how the truth is starting to come out. What do you think about?

• 42:28Bill Maher?

  Well, again, I, I, I think the Spielberg movie is, I mean, it's Steven Spielberg. I think this will be sort of the.

• 42:38Bill Maher?

  Ultimate moment in his amazing career.

• 42:44Bill Maher?

  Because, as we were starting to say, movies do move people. People are a mass. They are the masses. They're called the masses for a reason. They're not called the bunch of intellectuals. They're the masses. I love them. I'm not putting them down. But I'm just saying, masses need to be moved by mass entertainment.

• 43:05Speaker 03

  Totally.

• 43:05Bill Maher?

  And that has, you know, Hollywood, which I criticize a lot, and they deserve it a lot. But Hollywood, show business in general, is responsible for societal change probably more than any other part of society. I'm talking about...

• 43:21Speaker 03

  Couldn't agree with you more.

• 43:22Bill Maher?

  You know...

• 43:22Speaker 03

  And he's the greatest filmmaker of all time.

• 43:24Bill Maher?

  He is, absolutely. I always say about him, he's known as the greatest filmmaker, and he's still underrated.

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• 44:59Bill Maher?

  But like if you go back to Gentleman's Agreement in 1947, which is about antisemitism, which is back in style. But back then, they were against it, and they made movies like that. Racial issues, who's coming, guess who's coming to dinner in 1967? Gay issues, AIDS, disabilities, nuclear, energy, China syndrome. I mean, when Hollywood addresses an issue, it does change minds. And it's mostly been for the better. It's mostly been, you know, liberal people saying, you know what? Let's move up on this now. You know, we've, and we entered a woke era where I think we went a few subway stops past

• 45:43Bill Maher?

  where we should have gotten off on some things. But basically Hollywood has been a force for good in opening people's eyes to a lot of social issues that they need to have their eyes open to. And now, I think it's, you know, if we can like step up and do our part, it will be this issue, it will be technology, which really is the social issue of the day.

• 46:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:05Bill Maher?

  I know it is categorized differently as technology. But I mean, when AI is poised to take, you know, God knows how many jobs from people, not to mention transform life in every other way. It's a social issue. It of course is a social issue. And, you know, this, look, I don't know what the aliens, I don't know what they think of AI, but I'm guessing that that's another trigger moment for them, just the way the nuclear was. I mean, we got nuclear in 45. We got AI, we got ChatGPT on the phone in 2023 or 2022, something like that. Okay, that to me is another really watershed moment.

• 46:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:49Bill Maher?

  And to them, you know, I'm guessing it's like, okay.

• 46:55Bill Maher?

  As you said at the beginning of the show, we're getting, maybe we're threatening them a little bit, getting closer to parity with what they know. I think we're still a long way away. But of course, if you were prudent, as aliens, I think we all know are.

• 47:09Speaker 03

  We're getting to a level where they'll have to contend with us.

• 47:11Bill Maher?

  They would have to contend with us. And they, you know.

• 47:14Speaker 03

  The, you know, I do think that, and I hope, that the combination of my documentary, the disclosure, and Stephen's film Disclosure Day, you know, will, will reach the masses and impact the way the average person thinks about this topic.

• 47:34Bill Maher?

  What do you think the aliens are thinking as they're obviously watching this right now? Because they obviously have the technol-- AI has the technology to monitor everything, so we have it. They certainly have it. So somebody is, is monitoring this right now. Somebody or something. What do you think they're thinking about what we're saying? And before I let you answer, may I just say, I have always felt that aliens were among the finest people in my, in my district. Mr. Chairman, I have to go to another meeting now, but I just want to say they are the salt of the earth. I'm doing the speech from Godfather two. But really, what do you, what do you think they're thinking?

• 48:17Bill Maher?

  Like, brave guys, they get it about us.

• 48:20Speaker 03

  I mean, obviously, it's pure speculation, but you know, the, the interesting thing about that question is, my takeaway from making this film is that we're not dealing with one non-human intelligent life. My take, my takeaway is that there is a lot of intelligent life out there and that they, they, like humans, they probably all have different intentions and different points of view.

• 48:40Bill Maher?

  You just opened up a can of worms. I'm gonna have to have another drink. So, yeah, you're right. Like, we're talking about the, like, it's one.

• 48:47Speaker 03

  It's a singular force, it's not.

• 48:48Bill Maher?

  So.

• 48:49Speaker 03

  It's like talking about the government as a singular thing when, you know, there's all these moving parts.

• 48:53Bill Maher?

  And is there evidence of that? Like, like different aircraft, different bodies?

• 48:57Speaker 03

  Yes, yes.

• 48:57Bill Maher?

  So, but the.

• 48:58Speaker 03

  So one of the intelligence officials in my film.

• 48:59Bill Maher?

  They must be aware of each other.

• 49:00Speaker 03

  One of the really brave things someone said in my film, Hal Pudoff, who's, you know, considered a gray beard in the intelligence community, has worked on a lot of classified UAP programs. He says on camera that the recoveries have included, the crashed UAP that have been retrieved, those crash sites have included the bodies of non-humans and that the bodies were not all the same type, implying different species.

• 49:24Bill Maher?

  But could be different species who are working and living together.

• 49:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, sure, anything's possible. I mean, you're guessed as good as not.

• 49:31Bill Maher?

  I mean, certainly, that's what's going on on every starship I've ever seen on television. I mean, from Star Trek to The Orville, or, you know, any of those shows. There's always, you know, humans like Captain Kirk, working with Vulcans like Mr. Spock. And then there's the robot guy, and then there's the guy with the, looks human, but she's really a hot chick, and they just make her eyebrows look weird, and she's got pointy something, but she's still a hot chick. And, you know, just, there's everything.

• 50:04Bill Maher?

  So that could be the case, or it could be, because certainly, they're working in concert. Certainly, they are not beefing.

• 50:12Speaker 03

  Well.

• 50:12Bill Maher?

  We would know that.

• 50:13Speaker 03

  Well, we don't, I don't, I don't.

• 50:15Bill Maher?

  Come on.

• 50:15Speaker 03

  I don't think we would know.

• 50:17Bill Maher?

  We would, if they were beefing, right above us.

• 50:20Speaker 03

  If non-human intelligent life that we're not fully aware of has conflict, I, I, I think it's naive to think we would understand that.

• 50:26Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 50:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:27Bill Maher?

  But they wouldn't be trying to, in some way, defeat each other?

• 50:33Speaker 03

  I mean, I, I, I think all, all possibilities are on the table. I really do. I think it, I think that what is really happening is probably scenarios that we can't even imagine.

• 50:45Bill Maher?

  Yeah, that's right. I agree.

• 50:46Speaker 03

  You know, like, we're looking at this all through.

• 50:49Bill Maher?

  Our lens.

• 50:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, our lenses.

• 50:51Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 50:51Speaker 03

  And what we understand.

• 50:54Bill Maher?

  You think we'll catch up to that in your lifetime?

• 50:57Speaker 03

  No.

• 50:58Bill Maher?

  No?

• 50:58Speaker 03

  I think the base facts, I think my film brings out the base facts. I mean, to be honest, I think this film is disclosure. This is 34 really high-level military government intelligence officials breaking their silence on what they can lawfully disclose, telling you what they have become aware of, putting their reputation on the line to tell you the facts and let you know this is real. Here's the circumstances, here's how we got here, here's the lay of the land, just putting it all on the table.

• 51:23Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 51:24Speaker 03

  I think, you know, for optics that can be upped by a president stepping to the microphone and definitively saying it, but we already just got told the truth, you know? Like, Rubio's one of the, you know, Rubio's on camera in that, in my film, more than 33 other people, right? 32 other people, and now he's our Secretary of State and now Security Advisor. He's not a lunatic who said crazy things and then got pushed aside. He said very important, serious things, and then he got put in the second most powerful position on the planet.

• 51:52Bill Maher?

  Well, to be fair, there are lunatics in our government. He is not one of them.

• 51:56Speaker 03

  No, he's definitely not one of them.

• 51:57Bill Maher?

  He is one of the more adults.

• 51:59Speaker 03

  He's a, he's a very thoughtful.

• 52:02Bill Maher?

  Yes, I agree.

• 52:03Speaker 03

  And serious person.

• 52:03Bill Maher?

  No, I'm very glad he's there.

• 52:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:07Bill Maher?

  Because, I don't know if you saw him standing behind Trump the other day when Trump was saying, "We're taking over Venezuela," and he's got, "Oh, Jesus." You know, and then, of course, he comes back the next day. It reminds me a little like Bush and Tony Blair. Bush would say something stupid, and then Tony Blair would translate it into English, and we'd all be reassured. And then Rubio comes out the next day, he's like, "We're not taking over Venezuela, okay? We're affecting the policy," and, you know. And that's, okay, I'm glad there's adults, and I'm glad on this issue that he is, he is one of them, because, you know, it is gonna take balls.

• 52:42Speaker 03

  It's one of the reasons why I do think that we might see, you know, the current president, you know, not this week, not next week, but sometime in the near future, step to the microphone and make that statement, because he's got Rubio behind him, and Rubio's so aware of the truth, and he's become even more aware of the truth now that he's the national security advisor.

• 53:00Bill Maher?

  I'm absolutely sure Trump will do the right thing with this as long as it involves making money from crypto. Okay? As long as the disclosure will also involve tremendous payoff to the family, because he does, he does remind me of a very corrupt sheriff who also does clean up the town, so many places where it needed clean. Sometimes he does clean up the town where it needed it.

• 53:28Speaker 03

  The payoff will be huge. I mean, I think, I think that is a move that would be, you know, the response would be incredible. It would get so much support around the world for someone to find, a leader. You know, a leader of the free world steps to the microphone and tell all of humanity the truth at once about the biggest cover up in the history of the world. I mean, it's, it'd be a pretty amazing moment, so I do hope it happens.

• 53:54Bill Maher?

  I, I, yeah, I mean, that's a very optimistic view that people would take it with, you know, such aplomb. Maybe they will. Again, I feel like a lot of the reason why they haven't disclosed stuff is because they do fear panic. That, the government does that a lot. I mean, look at how they overreacted to COVID and lied about certain, now, I'm not, please don't start with the anti-vaxxer. I'm glad we got the vaccine and it saved millions of people's lives. I didn't want it. Okay, said my thing. But the government did suppress a lot because they were just afraid that people, if they

• 54:33Bill Maher?

  heard the wrong information, which wasn't always wrong, they would do the wrong thing. They don't really trust the people. So whether they will trust them with an issue like this, I do think that's a bigger part of it than, than you seem to want to admit.

• 54:50Speaker 03

  No, no, I think, no, I think it's a huge, I think it's a huge hurdle.

• 54:52Bill Maher?

  Oh, you do?

• 54:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, so, look, like I said earlier, this, this technology, one of the takeaways from making this film, became very clear to me that this technology that UAP have, the technology that make UAP work, that technology can be used to revolutionize the way we live or it can destroy everything. You could literally, I mean, just to say it clearly, it can be used to instantaneously deliver a nuclear weapon to the other side of the planet. That is the most terrifying thing of all time, right? And so if you, if you make that technology public and this new energy source public, people could weaponize it. So, so, so, yes, they're 100%. Everyone I interviewed talked about how that is the humanitarian issue that we face and it's held back sharing this for a very long time.

• 55:37Speaker 03

  And the only way forward to make it public and get those benefits would be to open up some of it, the base facts about it, and, and, and treat it like we treat nuclear technology, right? Like that became a humanitarian issue. Nuclear technology is known, we know we use it for good, and we also know that nuclear weapons exist. The average person is not told about like the capabilities of nuclear weapons, the vulnerabilities, how many we have, how many are being made, where they're stored.

• 56:04Bill Maher?

  No, we know that.

• 56:05Speaker 03

  No, we don't, there's tons of information on nuclear weapons that are classified.

• 56:08Bill Maher?

  Okay, we know how many we have. It's in treaties. I could tell you how many we have.

• 56:14Speaker 03

  I don't think that information's all out there, to be honest, but the...

• 56:17Bill Maher?

  But you have no, but you're just, you're just saying that. You don't have any, you don't have any reason to say that. And I don't think...

• 56:23Speaker 03

  Well, this analogy has been made to me, has been made to me by a number of intelligence officials and government officials, how that is the only actual reference point for how to handle this and make it a humanitarian issue. You know, use the technology openly for good and yes, for some weapons.

• 56:41Bill Maher?

  I'm just saying, when it comes to like knowing how many nuclear weapons we have, we do know. And we do know what they can do. I mean, we've been trying to reduce the number for decades and decades. Some people have made some progress. We used to actually have more. We still have way too many. I mean, we have enough to like destroy the planet a zillion times over. So what's the point? But, you know, there was a time when we and the Soviet Union each had something like 30,000, 30,000 nuclear weapons. I mean, what would it take to just create a total nuclear winter? Probably less than 100.

• 57:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean...

• 57:20Bill Maher?

  So what was the point of 30,000? So they got it down, but it's still, it's still, I don't know what it is now, 10,000 or something. But it's, it's a crazy number still. But we do know. Not everything is a giant secret. It doesn't matter.

• 57:33Speaker 03

  I mean, it doesn't matter. I mean, I, I think there's a lot regarding nuclear weapons that is classified.

• 57:37Bill Maher?

  Maybe, I'm sure it is.

• 57:38Speaker 03

  The point, but the point they're making is...

• 57:40Bill Maher?

  I don't, I don't want Joe Blow to know where they all are.

• 57:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, the point, the point they're making is like... To get the benefit of this technology, you'd have to make a lot of this public. But there's a downside to that because bad actors could use that information

• 57:54Bill Maher?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 57:55Speaker 03

  to create weapons of mass destruction. And so that's this humanitarian issue that exists right now, that is a real hurdle.

• 58:02Bill Maher?

  But we have had the ability to destroy the world since 1945. I mean, that's really the big changeover point in history. Not this with the aliens. This will be bigger in different ways. But yeah, could they wipe us out? Yes, but we've had the ability, as we never had before 1945, to wipe out ourselves. Before that, it was always, well, you know, that's a thing God will do or he won't do. You know, God will come, Jesus is going to come down and, you know, they're going to kill everybody except 144,000 Jews. They get grandfathered into heaven or whatever that bullshit is. But now, we really do. I mean, mankind has, what is he saying? What does Oppenheimer say?

• 58:45Bill Maher?

  He said, "We have become the destroyer."

• 58:48Speaker 03

  Of worlds, yeah.

• 58:48Bill Maher?

  The destroyer of worlds. I mean, that's a sea change. And again, I think that's what alarmed the aliens. Because maybe they, I don't know what other planets are like or where they're from or whether they're eyeing this as some sort of great place or some, I mean, it is...

• 59:08Speaker 03

  There's a lot of what ifs. I mean, like, here's a what if. What if this trajectory we're on technologically was a trajectory that another species or another form of humanity was on somewhere else? And it led to destruction, you know? And they're watching us to see if history's going to repeat itself. You know, are we on the same trajectory that other people have been on in the past? Who knows?

• 59:28Bill Maher?

  But I'm just saying, I mean, people have always talked about Earth like it's the Goldilocks planet. And when you look at other planets, they are awful. Desolate, I mean, I've done two very funny, I must say, editorials about how silly it is for us and Elon Musk in particular to be so all head up on getting to Mars. Mars? Like, how bad would we have to rat fuck this planet where it was worse than a place that's 270 degrees below zero, has no air, has six month giant dust storms, you have to live underground because of the radiation? I mean, how bad would it have to get?

• 1:00:11Bill Maher?

  Every planet looks like a horrible shithole. So like, if I was an alien, I'd be like, whoa, this place has Cabo. You know, this, this place has beaches and it's balmy and it's nice. Now, maybe that doesn't affect them, but maybe it does. That, I think, could be, the fact that we're so attractive, I mean, makes them want to rape us.

• 1:00:35Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:00:36Bill Maher?

  Stumped you on that one, Doc, huh?

• 1:00:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, I, I personally think Musk knows a lot more about, uh,

• 1:00:45Bill Maher?

  Musk?

• 1:00:46Speaker 03

  This situat- Elon, I think he knows a lot more about the situation than-

• 1:00:50Bill Maher?

  Do tell.

• 1:00:51Speaker 03

  Than, than he has talked about.

• 1:00:52Bill Maher?

  How does he know?

• 1:00:53Speaker 03

  It's impossible to have-

• 1:00:54Bill Maher?

  How does he know?

• 1:00:55Speaker 03

  The level of clearances he has and to operate in space and not be aware of these facts.

• 1:01:00Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 1:01:01Speaker 03

  I mean, there are numerous NASA astronauts, highly respected NASA astronauts, who have come back and talked about UAP activity they saw while in space.

• 1:01:08Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:01:09Speaker 03

  There is a number of, um, there's a lot of activity that's been documented in space. A number of the intelligence officials I interviewed talked, talked to me about it. I had like, I had a section that was gonna be about this in the film, I just cut it for time, cause I had to get this thing under two hours. But, uh, if I put everything in there I wanted, it would've been a four hour movie. Well, the whole thing was a director's cut, cause it's an independent film, there is, there is no studio.

• 1:01:33Bill Maher?

  No, but I mean, director's cut, meaning make a longer version, just like we're doing, this is a longer version of what we started on.

• 1:01:40Speaker 03

  I might make a sequel, I might make a sequel, there's been, um, seen a lot of excitement.

• 1:01:45Bill Maher?

  Maybe the aliens could partner with it, just provide some of the financing.

• 1:01:49Speaker 03

  That'd be nice, that'd be nice, you know?

• 1:01:50Bill Maher?

  They must be flush.

• 1:01:53Speaker 03

  I've thought about it. I've thought about a sequel. We'll see. We'll see what happens.

• 1:01:56Bill Maher?

  Yeah, let's see what happens.

• 1:01:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, I want to see what happens inside a government.

• 1:01:59Bill Maher?

  See what happens after the Spielberg movie.

• 1:02:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:02Bill Maher?

  The Spielberg movie is going to be very good for you and for this idea of getting, I mean, just a lot more people are going to be asking the question that you are prompting them to ask that needs to be, you know, fairly settled, as we said, in the way that evolution was at some point settled. Climate change at some point was settled. Let's move on to the next realistic question.

• 1:02:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:27Bill Maher?

  Which, as you say, is who are they? What do they want?

• 1:02:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:31Bill Maher?

  And, you know.

• 1:02:33Speaker 03

  And are, and is the US...

• 1:02:33Bill Maher?

  How do we communicate with them?

• 1:02:35Speaker 03

  And is the US leading in this technology race? That's super important.

• 1:02:39Bill Maher?

  And if they say, "Take us to your leader," who do we say is our real leader? Because we, I mean, come on, we don't want to, we don't want to take him there. Because he'll show them the ballroom. It'll be all about the ballroom. I know he came a long way, but I just want to say.

• 1:02:56Speaker 03

  I want to see it happen. I want to see him and Rubio step to the microphone and tell us the truth. That's really, truly what I want to see happen. And, you know...

• 1:03:02Bill Maher?

  Well, he's got the balls to do it. I'll give him that.

• 1:03:05Speaker 03

  You know, in the movie, we put the Kennedy space race speech, a key part of it, where he says that technology has no conscience of its own. It's up to mankind, whether they use it for good or for bad. And that is why, to quote Kennedy, he said, "That's why it's imperative the US help lead the way so they can be a part of the decision to use space technology for good." And he compares it to nuclear technology. He's like, "Space technology, like nuclear technology, has no conscience of its own." And this is that situation on steroids. And so I do think it calls for a leader to step up and say that.

• 1:03:37Bill Maher?

  Oh, it definitely does.

• 1:03:39Speaker 03

  This technology could be used for good, could be used for bad. The US wants to help make sure it's used for good. And we're going to put our resources and our brain power towards it. That would rally academia, the scientific community.

• 1:03:49Bill Maher?

  I'm just saying. If they do say, "Take us to your leader," and that is Donald Trump, I mean, he is the president of America, and that is the leader of the free world. If they're going to base their ideas about how we all are, I mean, you know, he's got some points that aren't completely horrible, but, I mean, there's a lot there. There's a lot there that's gonna make them go, "What the fuck have we gotten us into here?" I mean, I wouldn't want them to think we're that narcissistic. I wouldn't want them to think we're that corrupt. You know, I mean, I feel like he really does want to clean up the town.

• 1:04:34Bill Maher?

  He does want to be the hero sheriff who cleans up the town. And I'm not gonna lie and say that there's things that don't need cleaning up. I mean, the borders were too open. You know, colleges are crazy out of control. I could go on. But I would hate the aliens to base their judgment on us based on how he has handled these issues, even when he identifies, you know, "I don't want to put tariffs on spacecraft." You know, I mean, it just wouldn't be a good look for humans. I mean, I don't know who the human is I would like for them to see.

• 1:05:15Speaker 03

  I would imagine that we're viewed as a whole. That's my takeaway. I think that humanity is viewed as a whole. Like, we're all in this together. And if, and the reality of it is, you know, like, not a great look that Putin's invading sovereign nations, right? Not a good look that people are threatening to war.

• 1:05:33Bill Maher?

  Putin, another guy I would not want them to base, I would rather them base us on Trump than Putin, okay? I mean, there are worse guys. I mean, yeah. But, okay, so.

• 1:05:47Speaker 03

  But do you think, here's the thing, like, you just gotta also think about all the technology, technological breakthroughs that could come out of this. There's a scene, part of my Rubio interview that ended up getting cut out for time, was he spent a few minutes talking, making the point that there were like 35,000, I think it was maybe 32,000, really significant inventions that came off the back of the space race, right? It was a single mission, get to the moon, but all these other inventions came off the back of that technology race that impact our life every day. And his point was, we don't know.

• 1:06:20Bill Maher?

  Tang.

• 1:06:21Speaker 03

  I remember you meant, yeah, you said, but there's a lot, there's a lot of things. And, and, and stuff that has helped make progress in, in the medical field.

• 1:06:29Bill Maher?

  GPS, didn't we get that from this?

• 1:06:32Speaker 03

  I think so, I think so. I don't, to be honest, I don't remember. But his point was, we don't know what's gonna come off the back of taking this more seriously and putting the right, putting power and resources towards this.

• 1:06:42Bill Maher?

  That's a great point.

• 1:06:43Speaker 03

  And, you know, it's foolish to, to, to rule out the fact that it might change our lives for the better, you know? We don't know.

• 1:06:51Bill Maher?

  It might.

• 1:06:52Speaker 03

  So, like, my hope is that just that happens.

• 1:06:55Bill Maher?

  I mean, to quote every invader ever, "Resistance is futile." Resistance is futile. I mean, if they, if they wanna kick our ass, I'm sure they can. So, I mean, probably best to make friends with Keanu Reeves.

• 1:07:15Speaker 03

  And just get our shit together as a species, you know?

• 1:07:19Bill Maher?

  Yeah, that's not gonna happen because we're so divided. I once did a whole thing about this, like, when I was a kid and they said, "Well, mankind would unite if there was an attack from Mars."

• 1:07:29Speaker 03

  Well, that's that Reagan speech, remember? Reagan gave that speech in the UN. He says, "I often think that nothing would unite all of humanity and make us see what we have in common."

• 1:07:39Bill Maher?

  They would not. It would not happen. As soon as the aliens landed, the Republicans and the Democrats would try to get them to be on their side against the other party.

• 1:07:50Speaker 03

  It's reminded me of another funny, actually, probably the only funny thing said in, in my documentary. Rubio says, "This is, this is not a partisan issue in our country." And then he slides in, "At least not yet." And I think he's right that eventually, you know, exposure will happen on a bigger level and then it will find some sort of like partisan divide.

• 1:08:10Bill Maher?

  Candace Owens, the day after they land is not going to be saying, you know what? Let's all get together, people. No, she's gonna say some crazy shit and there's gonna be five million people who see it and follow that and Tucker Carlson is gonna be doing that same shit. And there's gonna be people on the left, not as crazy, but crazy also. We're gonna do stuff like that. I just don't see that as our saving grace. Okay, so before I forget, I wanna, because the one issue I wanna get to, only because I know someone who had an experience. You mentioned contact before.

• 1:08:52Bill Maher?

  I know someone who actually feels like they saw something on the ground, you know, Men in Black kinda stuff, which we haven't talked about yet.

• 1:09:01Speaker 03

  They thought they were abducted or they just saw something?

• 1:09:02Bill Maher?

  No, no, no, not abducted. Just went out to the woodshed late at night and opened the door and there was obviously something there that was not a bobcat.

• 1:09:13Speaker 03

  Wow, where?

• 1:09:15Bill Maher?

  I can't say, I can't say anything more.

• 1:09:18Speaker 03

  Sworn to secrecy.

• 1:09:21Bill Maher?

  This person is very, it spooked him and he's not an easily spooked person, but yes, I'm guessing he's not the only one who has such an experience.

• 1:09:32Speaker 03

  I've heard from a lot of people ever since I, before the movie came out, when I put the trailer online in January of last year, I started, people started reaching out to me, very credible people, some Hollywood folks, like filmmakers who have, a filmmaker who won Best Picture, reached out to me to share the story, something he saw.

• 1:09:51Bill Maher?

  I don't know if Hollywood and credible are the two words you wanna put together.

• 1:09:56Speaker 03

  This particular person was very credible.

• 1:09:57Bill Maher?

  No, there are some people.

• 1:09:58Speaker 03

  Senators, there's a senator who's never, never spoken up publicly about this topic, ever. He reached out to talk about something him and his son witnessed on a fishing trip. He was like, I'm really glad you're getting this movie out there. People need to learn, there's more out there than us. And that was a wild conversation.

• 1:10:14Bill Maher?

  What happened on the fishing trip?

• 1:10:16Speaker 03

  They were on a fishing trip out in open water and they saw a giant craft right above their heads.

• 1:10:23Speaker 03

  That's all he told me, but super serious guy. I never, I never spoken to him prior. He reached out.

• 1:10:28Bill Maher?

  That you hear a lot. I'm talking about.

• 1:10:31Speaker 03

  I mean, that's pretty extraordinary.

• 1:10:32Bill Maher?

  It's very extraordinary, but it's still a little bit removed from actually being here in some sort of form on Earth. That you hear a lot. That I really don't doubt anymore. There's just too many sightings of that. Where they're observing from close quarters, but not here.

• 1:10:53Speaker 03

  So this friend of yours saw a being.

• 1:10:55Bill Maher?

  A being?

• 1:10:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:10:56Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 1:10:57Speaker 03

  Yeah. I mean, one of the intelligence officials in the film goes, remember the guy, Dre Stratten, who I talked about earlier, he goes on record in the film saying that he has seen a non-human being with his own eyes and.

• 1:11:07Bill Maher?

  Well, if we have the corpses. Right? That, is that in dispute anymore?

• 1:11:14Speaker 03

  I don't, I don't think so.

• 1:11:15Bill Maher?

  You don't think so?

• 1:11:16Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:11:16Bill Maher?

  We have alien corpses.

• 1:11:19Speaker 03

  Numerous

• 1:11:22Speaker 03

  very senior intelligence officials have got on the record saying that.

• 1:11:26Bill Maher?

  And people have said, I mean, I know people in the movie that you made say, if you saw what I saw with my own eyes. Right?

• 1:11:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:11:37Bill Maher?

  I'm assuming that's what they're talking about. They've seen.

• 1:11:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:11:40Bill Maher?

  An actual body.

• 1:11:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:11:42Bill Maher?

  You know, I mean, it's one thing.

• 1:11:45Speaker 03

  People have testified under oath to Congress saying this. And David Grush, one of the intelligence officials who testified. He talked about non-human bodies that have been recovered.

• 1:11:57Bill Maher?

  I mean, it, it makes a difference when, now, this is not firsthand, because I haven't seen it. But it makes a difference to me when somebody very close to a situation says they saw something. Like, to give an analogy, that's ridiculous, but I remember having a discussion a long time ago with some, with people sitting around, and somebody said Tom Cruise was gay, which was a rumor that was going around for a while, because they say about everybody who's successful. And somebody who is a, another movie star, said, "I saw Tom Cruise with my own eyes fuck a girl."

• 1:12:36Bill Maher?

  And this is a long time ago, when they were very young. But it was like, it always stuck.

• 1:12:40Speaker 03

  Did you ask him why he was looking?

• 1:12:41Bill Maher?

  It always stuck with me, you know.

• 1:12:43Speaker 03

  Why were you watching?

• 1:12:44Bill Maher?

  Well, you know what? When you're 22 and you're on a movie set, it could happen. I'm not saying he watched him do it. I'm saying he saw with his own eyes, Tom Cruise. Okay, so like, that to me always said like, okay, you know what? However many times you want to convince me that so and so is gay, or so and so is gay, you know, at the end of the day, you're just fucking pulling shit out of your ass. Anyway.

• 1:13:11Speaker 03

  Look, I really think.

• 1:13:11Bill Maher?

  As far as this goes, like, if somebody credible says something like this, it just adds a lot of weight for me.

• 1:13:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:13:20Bill Maher?

  And so.

• 1:13:22Speaker 03

  To me, that's the greatest evidence, because I've said this on a bunch of interviews I've done about the movie. I full-heartedly believe you could put a 4K video, taken from a military base, of a UFO, over a nuclear weapons site, and half the human population will say it's fake, it's made by AI.

• 1:13:38Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:13:38Speaker 03

  Some Hollywood producer did it.

• 1:13:39Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:13:40Speaker 03

  Like, that's where we're at as a society.

• 1:13:42Bill Maher?

  No, I get it.

• 1:13:42Speaker 03

  But people putting their reputation on the line. I mean, a number of the people in my film intend to run for president one day. You know? A number of the people in my film are still actively working in the intelligence community. These are people who have a lot to lose by destroying their reputation with bullshit.

• 1:13:57Bill Maher?

  But I want to go deeper a little into this thing about the men in black aspect of it. Because that doesn't, it seems to be the one part you don't really get into too much. Like.

• 1:14:09Speaker 03

  I mean, we talk about the legacy program. A number of people in my film reveal that the program that has been keeping this all away from the public is referred to as the legacy program. In the film, they break down which elements of government are in it. The CIA, the Air Force, the Department of Energy, and major defense contractors make up this program called the legacy program. I personally think that when people have historically referred to quote-unquote "men in black", they're referring to people who have been affiliated with the legacy program. That's what I think.

• 1:14:43Bill Maher?

  But I'm asking about the idea that there are beings, say they are able to take human form. I personally don't think they're there doing that right now. I think that's a movie.

• 1:14:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't, I've never heard that.

• 1:14:56Bill Maher?

  Okay. But that would be the next step for them to do. I mean, if they wanted to really get up close and personal. I mean, certainly that's Men in Black, that's also the movie, um, you know, what's the, they redid it with Nicole Kidman, uh, you know.

• 1:15:12Speaker 03

  Wow, was that Body Snatchers?

• 1:15:14Bill Maher?

  No, it's the, it's Body Snatchers, yes, exactly. Body Snatchers. Um, I, I, I think that's science fiction, quite frankly.

• 1:15:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think so.

• 1:15:24Bill Maher?

  And it, it sort of hurts the cause when people go to these places.

• 1:15:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:15:29Bill Maher?

  Maybe where we're not yet.

• 1:15:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:15:32Bill Maher?

  But the idea that they're, that they would want to have some sort of presence actually on the ground, eh, it's not crazy to me because wouldn't you wanna, do you think you could really get every bit of information you need from hovering in a spacecraft? I mean, at some point, don't you have to sort of like get a little more up close and personal with Planet Earth and the people in it before? I mean, how did they get the people? They must have landed at some point if, what do you think about the, what was the book, Communion, which was the big book?

• 1:16:05Speaker 03

  Look, I didn't, I didn't get into abductions in the film, cause I thought, you know, I was, I was making this film for the masses, right? For your average person who hasn't already gone down the rabbit hole and, and kind of been convinced, but this is, this is supposed to be a very digestible, accessible film, right? So I didn't get into that, cause there's a bridge.

• 1:16:24Bill Maher?

  Communion.

• 1:16:25Speaker 03

  I think it's a bridge too far.

• 1:16:26Bill Maher?

  If people, you did, the whole thing.

• 1:16:27Speaker 03

  No, for, for my film, I thought it was a bridge too far. I do think there's a there there. I have talked to a number of people who.

• 1:16:32Bill Maher?

  I mean, if people don't remember what Communion was, it's a book that Whitley Strieber, I think, was the author. And what it basically was, I'm really, you know, back of the envelope here, but.

• 1:16:44Bill Maher?

  A lot of people had a very, very similar experience. That's what he calls it communion. And when you ask them, I think independently, but certainly in a group, what was what happened, they just had this experience. It involved someone and they kind of described him the same way, like four foot tall, the almond eyes. You know, it's the classic.

• 1:17:08Speaker 03

  I interviewed military personnel, like real people with great resumes, who had experiences on military bases and then claimed that they were abducted. I interviewed them and it's very compelling to hear them talk. And people who don't know each other having similar stories, it's extremely compelling.

• 1:17:26Bill Maher?

  But why do you think they they all looked, I mean, they all say like four foot tall, like.

• 1:17:32Speaker 03

  Well, they don't all say that, to be clear. They they there's there's different, there's a few different.

• 1:17:39Bill Maher?

  They all did in communion. That seemed to be, maybe that was just the species that was in vogue at the time.

• 1:17:47Speaker 03

  Well, in that book, that's what they talk about.

• 1:17:49Bill Maher?

  But, I mean, if they really are that advanced, wouldn't they be taller? I mean, they must know that everybody swipes left on any.

• 1:17:57Speaker 03

  There's a few different, there's a few different types of being that are described regularly by people who say they've been abducted. There's, if you want to go down a really interesting rabbit hole, there's, there's a, there's a, a psych, a famous psychiatrist who's passed away. He died in a horrible accident. His name was John Mack and he was the head of child psychiatry at Harvard.

• 1:18:17Bill Maher?

  And you say it was an accident?

• 1:18:21Speaker 03

  I do, I do believe it was an accident. He was riding his bike and he got hit by a car, but I think.

• 1:18:26Bill Maher?

  And he got hit by a spaceship, riding his bike.

• 1:18:29Speaker 03

  But you should read his books. He, he was a very straight laced psychiatrist. He was at the time, he was the most famous child psychiatrist in the world. And he started seeing some patients who had claimed to be abducted. And he at first thought maybe they just, you know, were crazy people. And then he started to go down the rabbit hole a little more. And he started to believe that what these people say they experienced, they really did experience. He started finding. All these commonalities, people had no relationship to each other.

• 1:18:57Bill Maher?

  Well, that's that was what was compelling about that book. I'm not saying I'm 100% believing it, but I do remember at the time, and I do remember a lot of people talking about it. And it was, to say the least, odd. Now, there are odd psychological phenomenon that do happen here on Earth.

• 1:19:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:19:15Bill Maher?

  But it was odd that so many people would have such a similar memory of something. And it was a vague memory. They, you know, they seemed to have been abducted. If this is the story, they, you know, they came back and it was like, boy, my ass is sore.

• 1:19:36Speaker 03

  Not everyone, not everyone. That's, that's, that's okay. I've actually interviewed a lot of people who say they've been abducted that had, did not have that experience. But it did happen to some people.

• 1:19:45Bill Maher?

  Okay. Well, let's just say the good-looking ones.

• 1:19:49Bill Maher?

  They, you know, either the aliens abducted me, or there was something at John Waters' after Halloween party. No, but, you know, it just seemed like there was.

• 1:20:02Speaker 03

  This is why I didn't include it, because it's a slippery slope to someone not taking it serious. And, you know, but.

• 1:20:10Bill Maher?

  I take everything serious.

• 1:20:11Speaker 03

  I think there's, I think there's a, I think there's a there there, as bizarre as that is.

• 1:20:17Bill Maher?

  Well, I feel like it's moved in phases. I feel like there was the Roswell phase, and then there was a phase where they seemed to be, and this also is, what's the, Close Encounters, that seems to be that phase where they were more, they were interested in getting up close and personal. And they did need to find out what a human body was like. And maybe that is what the anal probes were all about.

• 1:20:47Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, a moment in Close Encounters that most people forget about is at the very end, when the craft lands and the doors open, people walk off of it.

• 1:20:57Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 1:20:58Speaker 03

  Pilots, Air Force pilots from the 50s or the 60s.

• 1:21:01Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:21:01Speaker 03

  That haven't aged a day.

• 1:21:03Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:21:04Speaker 03

  And.

• 1:21:06Speaker 03

  I think he put that in the movie because he knew that the abduction situation is a real situation and wanted to at least address it a little bit. But did in a way, a genius Spielberg way, where a lot of people don't even pay attention to it. The whole buildup to the craft landing was enough for them and, you know.

• 1:21:24Bill Maher?

  Well, he put that in the movie because he works in Hollywood. And in Hollywood, if you say haven't aged a day, you got me.

• 1:21:31Speaker 03

  All right. I think a lot of it's fascinating stuff, man.

• 1:21:34Bill Maher?

  This is fascinating stuff. And I think you're doing a great job getting it out there. It's important work. I think you will be remembered for your important work.

• 1:21:44Speaker 03

  I appreciate you, you know, paying attention to it.

• 1:21:47Bill Maher?

  Oh, no, no, no.

• 1:21:48Speaker 03

  Using your platform to bring attention to this topic.

• 1:21:50Bill Maher?

  I, you know, I take shit from both sides because people, they say they want honesty, they don't.

• 1:21:57Speaker 03

  You're from Jersey, like me.

• 1:21:59Bill Maher?

  I'm from Jersey, like you.

• 1:22:00Speaker 03

  So that's, that's what it gotta be.

• 1:22:06Bill Maher?

  All right, pal.

• 1:22:06Speaker 03

  Thank you. Thanks, man. Appreciate it.

• 1:22:09Bill Maher?

  All right.

• 1:22:13Speaker 03

  Good pinot.

• 1:22:14Bill Maher?

  Next one now. Oh, no, that's the one.

• 1:22:18Speaker 03

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• 1:22:19Bill Maher?

  Oh, thanks.

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