The Internet's Favorite Dermatologist Shares Her Secrets (w/ Dr. Idriss)

Dr. Shereene Idriss joins Haley to discuss all things skincare: what's worth the spend, where you're getting duped, and when to get needles involved. Comment your favorite part of the episode to be entered to win the Dr. Idriss Major Fade Duo! We'll be selecting our ten favorites, it's major!!! Financial Tea with Mrs. Dow Jones is a Sony Music Entertainment production. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts and follow us at @sonypodcasts To bring your brand to life in this podcast, email [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Haley Sacks?

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• 1:58Speaker 01

  And how can you hold on to the essence of who you are and show up? And I think this is what people confuse, looking healthy versus looking younger.

• 2:05Haley Sacks?

  Should we be getting preventative botox?

• 2:06Speaker 01

  No, I have never been a fan of preventative botox.

• 2:10Haley Sacks?

  When it came to starting your skincare line, how much did it cost to start it?

• 2:14Speaker 01

  It was expensive.

• 2:15Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 2:15Speaker 01

  Because I wasn't just doing one product. I was working on at the time, four different products. So it was around a little bit above a million.

• 2:27Haley Sacks?

  This is Financial T.

• 2:32Haley Sacks?

  What's up, sippers? Welcome back to Financial T. This is a podcast where I teach you how to build wealth with a side of market drama, money scandals, and of course, financial pop culture. And today, we have my very own dermatologist. Like this woman had a needle in my face about six days ago, and she's likely also your favorite Instagram follow, Dr. Shereen Idris.

• 2:56Speaker 01

  Thank you so much.

• 2:56Haley Sacks?

  And you are here to talk all things beauty and skincare. We need you, girl. So thank you for being here.

• 3:00Speaker 01

  All things beauty and skincare and how you can invest in yourself.

• 3:02Haley Sacks?

  Yes.

• 3:03Speaker 01

  Because you're obviously the investment queen.

• 3:05Haley Sacks?

  I know. And it's like, there's just so much hearsay out there. I feel like every day, there's a new product. I'm supposed to get a new treatment. And it's like-

• 3:12Speaker 01

  A lot of noise.

• 3:13Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, I need to know, like, we, I need you to tell us and he, like, where do we put our money to actually keep looking good and not just fall for all these charlatans?

• 3:23Speaker 01

  All right, let's jump into it. Whatever you want to, everything. We'll cover everything.

• 3:27Haley Sacks?

  We're covering everything. Thank you. We're going to be here for three days.

• 3:29Speaker 01

  Fine.

• 3:30Haley Sacks?

  Well, welcome to the pod. I always like to start with a few rapid fire questions.

• 3:33Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 3:34Haley Sacks?

  So what was your best and worst purchase of the week? And how much did each cost?

• 3:39Speaker 01

  Ooh. Okay, so my best purchase of the week, and I did get a 20% discount, it was still expensive, was a, I bought it on, today's Thursday, I bought it on Tuesday because my husband wanted to walk and it was really cold. It was this suede jacket with a little bit of like, like a shirling kind of fur on it. And it was 2,500, but I got it, I think for like 2,000.

• 4:02Haley Sacks?

  Ooh, from where?

• 4:03Speaker 01

  It was Allison Olivia, because it's under my office.

• 4:05Haley Sacks?

  Oh, my God.

• 4:06Speaker 01

  And so I, as I left the office, you told me we were walking 60 blocks. And I was like, let me get a coat. And I bought that one because I was like, if I'm going to buy a coat, let it be a coat that I'm going to wear over and over again.

• 4:15Haley Sacks?

  I love it.

• 4:16Speaker 01

  The worst purchase of the week was, have I bought anything else? I don't really shop that much unless it's like Amazon. Unless it was like some stupid, oh, I know what it was. It was a stupid TikTok like skincare buy that's complete BS.

• 4:31Haley Sacks?

  What is it? Even you fall for those?

• 4:33Speaker 01

  I bought it just to see. It was like the Dr. Miloxicand something. I'm not even going to give them, that's not, that's not- It was an under eye cream that supposedly helps with discoloration, but it's, it's basically like a concealer.

• 4:47Haley Sacks?

  Oh, my gosh. Oh, it's a concealer.

• 4:49Speaker 01

  But it looks like an under eye cream. And so it was a silly purchase. It was an impulse buy at like 1:00 AM.

• 4:54Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, that's always, use Apple Pay, like Apple be paying.

• 4:56Speaker 01

  Apple Pay.

• 4:59Haley Sacks?

  Okay, what is something that you spend a crazy amount of money on, but you swear by?

• 5:03Speaker 01

  What do I spend? Okay, so I have, as of mid-August, it's definitely the, it has a proven track record, but my trainer is very expensive.

• 5:14Haley Sacks?

  Oh, I spend money on this too.

• 5:16Speaker 01

  And I spend money on my trainer. And I have decided I do not want to age weak. Like, I want to age strong.

• 5:22Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 5:22Speaker 01

  And so I now lift weights two to three times a week at a gym.

• 5:26Haley Sacks?

  It's horrible.

• 5:26Speaker 01

  And I know, but I don't sweat with this trainer. And he looks like Arnold Schwarzenegger adjacent. So I'm too scared to like complain.

• 5:33Haley Sacks?

  Yes.

• 5:34Speaker 01

  So I just do what I need to do and I get out. And I feel like this is when I finally started seeing changes in my body that I've never had a bicep. And I'm showing everybody my bicep. You want to see?

• 5:43Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, I want to see.

• 5:44Speaker 01

  I'll show you guys.

• 5:44Haley Sacks?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 5:45Speaker 01

  I have a line.

• 5:46Haley Sacks?

  That's crazy.

• 5:47Speaker 01

  This, it was just like softness. So I'm very proud of myself.

• 5:52Haley Sacks?

  I'm proud of you too. Okay, so you have this huge social platform that you educate all of us on skincare and aesthetics. And you're such a trusted voice on the internet. I feel like most people who are listening are familiar with you, but if someone's listening and they don't know you, can you just tell them sort of like what you do?

• 6:10Speaker 01

  Who am I?

• 6:11Haley Sacks?

  Who is this?

• 6:12Speaker 01

  I'm still figuring it out. I'm 42.

• 6:15Haley Sacks?

  It's actually the Jay Shetty podcast where we go deep.

• 6:17Speaker 01

  Oh, my God. Where's the Kleenex?

• 6:19Haley Sacks?

  Yes, exactly.

• 6:21Speaker 01

  Okay, so I'm a 42-year-old, certified cosmetic dermatologist based in New York City. I am also a mother of two. I have an eight-year-old and a seven-year-old. In addition to that, I go online pretty much every day. And my goal is really to help you, to empower you, to help yourself, so that you can really cut through all the bullshit and all the noise. And I have a very low barometer for bullshit. And I just want people to help themselves for whatever it's worth. And so I'm on Instagram, YouTube, and TikTok, educating every week. And I also own my practice in New York City, Idris Dermatology, that I run. And I also have a skincare brand called Dr. Idris. And I'm the CEO and founder of that, where we are at every available store in the US and Canada.

• 7:03Haley Sacks?

  Oh, and by the way, if you subscribe to my YouTube and Dr. Idris's YouTube, then you will get entered into a giveaway to win one of her major fade systems, which are amazing.

• 7:15Speaker 01

  Which is basically all you need to try to target discoloration in three simple steps.

• 7:19Haley Sacks?

  It's so good. And I, even before I saw you, I was using your products. I think they're so gentle, but also they work so well.

• 7:25Speaker 01

  No, thank you. I mean, that's the goal. It's like, I wanted them to be effective enough to really see a difference, but not fight your skin so that you want to give up.

• 7:33Haley Sacks?

  Okay, so I obviously post a lot about money online. But what's so interesting is that every time I cover skincare, or like, if I talk about how I am resistant to botox, you guys, I'm not like, being brave. I wish I didn't have these. I've tried really hard, which we'll get into. I get so much engagement. And I think it's just because people save so much information online and have trouble sort of parsing what to pay attention to, what to ignore. So my goal from today's episode is to really have you as this expert voice to just cut through the noise and break down the beauty and skincare from a financial perspective. Because like, girl, if I was buying all of these 400 creams that the influencers are shelling, I would be broke.

• 8:13Speaker 01

  We all would be.

• 8:13Haley Sacks?

  Yeah. And it's like, and even I like try and be careful about the skincare buying. And I'm still like, I have too much. So I, we really need your help. So let's start with, if you had $70 to build someone's starter routine, what would you buy?

• 8:28Speaker 01

  I mean, if I only had $70 to build a routine, the most important thing you have to ask yourself again is, what is your biggest issue? And let's just assume that your biggest issue right now is just, you need a routine for basic hygiene and moisture, right? I would get a cleanser, but I would use the cleanser only at night, for the most part, as long as your skin is healthy, happy, and not inflamed and not oil acne prone.

• 8:51Haley Sacks?

  So I've heard this. So you're not supposed to wash your face in the morning?

• 8:53Speaker 01

  I wash my face with water in the morning. I cleanse at night.

• 8:56Haley Sacks?

  Okay.

• 8:57Speaker 01

  So I get the day off at night.

• 8:58Haley Sacks?

  Okay.

• 8:58Speaker 01

  So I'd get a cleanser. Number two, as we get older, our skin cells don't turn over as regularly. So it's important that we exfoliate a little bit more regularly, the older we get, especially post 40. So I would get a glycolic acid, exfoliating acid, because glycolic acid can also help hold on to hydration and in the long term, help promote collagen production. Number three, I would invest in a moisturizer that fits my skin type for the environment that I'm in.

• 9:26Haley Sacks?

  Oh, so true.

• 9:27Speaker 01

  If I live somewhere very humid and I am, let's say, a little bit oilier, I'd get something lighter like a gel moisturizer. If I'm very dry and I live in the middle of the desert, I would want something way thicker. And so your environment does dictate how your skin responds. So I would make sure that I get a moisturizer, the thickness, based on my skin type and the environment. And then obviously a sunscreen.

• 9:47Haley Sacks?

  So good. Okay, love. And where do you think that spending more on skincare actually improves the result? Like, where are we paying for packaging or texture or the fantasy?

• 10:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I think it's very hard to say that the more expensive a product is, the better it's gonna be. So I don't think you can have that blanketed statement. But I do think that brands and companies that are really doing a lot of research and development, clinical studies, trying to get all of that information to back the products that you're getting, or especially products that are multi ingredient stories, are gonna just be a little bit naturally more expensive. But I think you wanna look for brands that are really having like clinical studies backing their products. Are they referring to ingredients that are tried and true? At least if you're a novice. If it's something that is new, that is like a buzzword, like a trendy ingredient, oftentimes the marketing is leading the science.

• 10:41Haley Sacks?

  Salmon sperm.

• 10:43Speaker 01

  Exosomes.

• 10:43Haley Sacks?

  PDRA.

• 10:44Speaker 01

  Like, all of that stuff, like, one thing, when done in a clinic as an injection, is very different than something applied topically to your skin. And so I don't fall for that noise, right? And I would much rather that you build a routine on tried and trues versus trends. Because a trend has not yet stood the test of time.

• 11:02Haley Sacks?

  So are there any expensive products that you could name that you're like, okay, those ones are actually really good and worth it?

• 11:08Speaker 01

  I think there are some. I think there are some. I think, for example, if you're looking at like growth factor serums, right? Skin Medica is a very expensive one. Their TNS serum, but they have years of like their data. It's granted their data to back it up, but it's there. Alastin is another company that also has a growth factor product. I think you have to understand what it is that you're trying to buy. If it's a $300 hyaluronic acid serum, no. Absolutely not. Please, don't even, if someone like brings it in my office, I'll take it and be like, I'm gonna throw this, but I feel bad that you spent this money. But, you know, I probably would toss it in the trash for them so that they can see the visual that they do not need to spend that money on that. But yeah, I think if you're looking for things that have more data behind it, like those, sure, those are more expensive, but why not?

• 11:52Haley Sacks?

  Okay, love that. And on the other hand, are there three drugstore products that you would recommend to patients?

• 11:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, for sure. I think once you have your routine that is targeted, the universals that are always good to kind of plug and play is like vaseline. As simple as it is, it is a, I have it basically in my bathroom, my kid's bathroom, because if you have a nick, it can help. You don't need nus for it. If you're somebody who's very dry and you have your routine, but you want something extra, you can layer it on top. If you're having a skin reaction that you're reacting to something, stop everything and just use vaseline almost as an occlusive to get your skin back into what it used to be. So that's an easy one. Number two, for people who have problematic skin, benzoyl peroxide wash, great, 12 bucks. You don't need to do more and that will keep the bacteria at bay.

• 12:42Speaker 01

  And on the same sort of spectrum, ketoconazole shampoo, nizoral shampoo.

• 12:48Haley Sacks?

  Oh, yeah, you've posted about that.

• 12:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, because people, a lot of people have dandruff on their scalp, but they also have it on their face where they're constantly flaking right here or in their eyebrows. And so to be able to use that as a face wash is also very helpful to keep all that inflammation quiet.

• 13:04Haley Sacks?

  Okay, I love that. So are there certain things that you think you can absolutely get cheap, like a cleanser? Do you think like a cheap cleanser is totally fine, but then get the nicer lotion?

• 13:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, you do not need to be spending $150 on a cleanser.

• 13:16Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 13:17Speaker 01

  Find a cleanser that works for you, because it's gonna be the foundational step of your skincare routine. And it doesn't have to cost you more than like 15 to 50 bucks at most, right? And if you're someone with sensitive eyes, that's why I did my cleanser, right? But you can pick your own depending on what you need. Number two, I do not think you need a dedicated like single ingredient serum. I think this was a trend in 2020, 21, when we were all becoming cosmetic chemists at home. But I think it is time for us to evolve and I think multi ingredient stories that can do multiple things at once are the most beneficial. And when it comes to hydration, there's always gonna be some element of hydration from the products that you're getting. So compound your products to really benefit your problem.

• 13:57Speaker 01

  And if you really need that extra hydration, layer it in at the end, but don't put the investment upfront on just a hydrating serum. Because you're gonna have glycerin in products, you're gonna have hyaluronic acid in products, you're gonna have all of that in products. So I think those are probably the two biggest takeaways in terms of like, how do you simplify your routine? Before like spending a lot of money.

• 14:16Haley Sacks?

  Okay, great. So we don't have to spend a lot.

• 14:17Speaker 01

  You don't need to spend money also on face masks.

• 14:19Haley Sacks?

  Oh, yeah.

• 14:20Speaker 01

  Face masks are nice to have. I'm not talking about LED, I'm talking about the sheet masks.

• 14:23Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 14:24Speaker 01

  But nine out of 10 of my patients, at least from my experience and my interactions with them, they're not using these on a regular basis.

• 14:31Haley Sacks?

  No, it's before an event.

• 14:31Speaker 01

  So why are we spending $200 on sheet masks that are being used maybe once every couple of whatever? I'd rather you spend the money on something you're getting much more consistently throughout the course of your life than every once in a while.

• 14:44Haley Sacks?

  And the eye masks drive me crazy too, where now the influencers are normalizing that you have to have a single use eye mask every day when you do your makeup. I'm like, in what world?

• 14:53Speaker 01

  In what world?

• 14:53Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 14:54Speaker 01

  And how long are you getting ready for?

• 14:55Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, exactly, because you have to let it sit for so long. And they're putting on for four minutes.

• 14:59Speaker 01

  Literally, like probably on a good day, eight minutes.

• 15:02Haley Sacks?

  I know.

• 15:02Speaker 01

  So that's a good day where I get to sit down.

• 15:05Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 15:05Speaker 01

  So I.

• 15:06Haley Sacks?

  I don't understand when, like when we're supposed to use the eye mask and they're so expensive, all the big brands.

• 15:10Speaker 01

  All of them and then you just toss them in the trash. You're like, what am I doing?

• 15:13Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

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• 16:39Haley Sacks?

  I feel like a good place to start, though, with your skincare advice, although we've jumped in, is to sort of break it down by age. So what I was thinking is that you could maybe give us general skincare advice for someone in their twenties, then someone in their thirties, and then in their forties? And then we can talk about like how that advice sort of differs for each decade. Because like, do we need to get facelifts in our thirties? We've got it to that, but we'll start there.

• 17:01Speaker 01

  Okay, so skincare advice, in your twenties, I think you really wanna shut down the noise and really not give into peer pressure. Because you're gonna see on social media, you need so many things, you do not. Your twenties, you're never gonna be as good as that again. You're gonna be a plump little chicken.

• 17:17Haley Sacks?

  I know.

• 17:18Speaker 01

  You're a plump chicken, not for much longer, but then that, enjoy the plumpness, okay? And enjoy your little chicken state, okay? And really protect what you have. I think that is the biggest thing about your twenties is getting into the habits of learning how to protect what you have and really developing a routine that is based on habits, whether it is washing your face, learning how to moisturize your face so you're not overdoing it. Maybe starting to incorporate some kind of retinoid, because our collagen all starts to decline starting in our late twenties. And using sunscreen, finding the sunscreen that you'll actually want to use, kiss many frogs and figure it out. In your thirties, it's really about being more proactive. If you're noticing things that are starting to become problematic, getting ahead.

• 18:01Speaker 01

  So for me, in my thirties, I went through IVF, I had a lot of hormonal treatments. I also used to burn a lot as a kid, because I used to be like, go sit in the sun, get some color, go be healthy. And so I started to notice a lot of discoloration, hyperpigmentation, and then melasma. And so for me, my thirties was really about trying to figure out a routine to start to suppress that hyperpigmentation and that discoloration so that I'm not finding myself in my forties trying to reverse all the damage. And so that's really was the foundational basis of my Dr. Idris Major Fade line, because I used to be on a 12 step routine. And so for you in your thirties.

• 18:36Haley Sacks?

  12 steps.

• 18:37Speaker 01

  It was redonculous. And it's documented in a Harper's Bazaar, go to bed with me. Whereas afterwards, once my kids started crawling, I was like, I can't do this. Like zero track.

• 18:47Haley Sacks?

  Yes.

• 18:47Speaker 01

  And so that's how Major Fade came about and that's how I simplified it. But whatever your problem is, get ahead and start to really figure out how can you get ahead so that it doesn't become a bigger problem that you're constantly trying to reverse? And that's where your thirties are at, right? And then your forties, I think it's really about how can you like preserve what you have? My goal with aging is, and for me and my patients, is truly about like, how can I hold on to who I am? You know, while enjoying every stage of life without trying to be 25 at 45, I'm 42 now. And how can you hold on to the essence of who you are and show up, and I think this is what people confuse, looking healthy versus looking younger? And I think that's the biggest goal in your forties.

• 19:32Speaker 01

  Whether it is introducing in-office treatments, or if you've already done it in your thirties and you're trying to now just get a step ahead in your forties. Or having a solid skincare routine that you're slowly expanding on, whether it's growth factor serums or a different peptide serum or something a little bit stronger. That's where your forties are at. Preserving who you are, holding on to the quality of your skin and making sure it shows up in a healthy way every single day versus trying to turn back time and be somebody that you're never gonna be again because that time has passed.

• 20:03Haley Sacks?

  Totally. I love that. And do you think that in your twenties, there's people spending on things that they'd be better off saving for later? Like, should we be getting preventative botox?

• 20:12Speaker 01

  No, I have never been a fan of preventative botox. And I think that also is probably why you are so resistant.

• 20:19Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, because I got it.

• 20:20Speaker 01

  Not to call you out.

• 20:21Haley Sacks?

  No, it was, I got it for free when I was like in like 26 or 27 and then, like this is, guys, I'm 35. Everyone thinks that I'm like being brave by not having, by having my forehead move, but I've really tried like every kind of, yeah, I'm completely resistant.

• 20:38Speaker 01

  So. I think the idea of preventative botox feeds into fear. You should not be fearing the aging process in your twenties. If anything, it's such a privilege that we can all get older. But let's choose how we wanna age. And we have so many luxuries available to us that we can choose to age better if we want to for ourselves. Right? And it's not because it's being imposed on us. But at twenty, eight out of ten twenty year olds don't have built in lines. So you're basically blocking movement altogether because you're trying to never get that line to form.

• 21:10Haley Sacks?

  Exactly.

• 21:11Speaker 01

  I can understand the concept.

• 21:12Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, that's what they say. You don't wanna have the line start.

• 21:15Speaker 01

  The concept, but again, like you may never have formed that line to begin with. So what are we doing? Instead pissing money away, instead go to Paris.

• 21:24Haley Sacks?

  Yes.

• 21:24Speaker 01

  Have a life experience instead of it. If you are going to try to get botox at a younger age, let's say you're the two out of ten that has a deep line and you look angry at rest. I would strongly advise that you space out your treatments.

• 21:37Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, that's what it messed me up.

• 21:38Speaker 01

  Get told you need to probably do this every three to four months because the average duration of botox is ten to twelve weeks. However, I would strongly encourage you that you let your muscle movement come back. That you let your emotions show on your face and you let your muscle memory come back because you don't wanna lose that completely and lose the essence of who you are. But on the worst case scenario, end up in a place where you are now.

• 22:00Haley Sacks?

  Me, the worst case scenario. Awesome. Love this for me.

• 22:05Speaker 01

  But more resistant to it. And then they're gonna tell you, okay, but maybe we should try a different type of botox. However, it's botulinum toxin type A that we are injecting, whether that's botox, dispore, Jevault, ZM, Daxify. Right? Nice in the US. And they're all variations of the same type. So you're not really gonna avoid that quote unquote resistance by switching the types of botox. Unless you get botulinum toxin type B, which is known as myobloc, which most people don't inject and the duration of that is still very short.

• 22:37Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, and I heard that you would get resistance to that really fast too.

• 22:39Speaker 01

  You can also get resistance.

• 22:40Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, so it's like a lever that you should pull.

• 22:43Speaker 01

  Worth like you're getting married.

• 22:45Haley Sacks?

  Yes, that's what I was thinking. Save it for the wedding.

• 22:47Speaker 01

  Save it for the wedding.

• 22:48Haley Sacks?

  Exactly. I'm like, I'm not going to be until I'm walking down that aisle, honey.

• 22:52Speaker 01

  We'll figure that out.

• 22:53Haley Sacks?

  Yes, we'll figure it out when we get there. But with the being immune to botox, have you seen that before? Like, is there anything that can be done to turn it around? I'm not just asking selfishly for me because when I post about this, it goes so viral every time just because a lot of people DM me that their botox isn't lasting as long.

• 23:08Speaker 01

  Okay, so there's two things here. Hold on.

• 23:11Speaker 01

  Okay, so true immunity is rare.

• 23:14Haley Sacks?

  Okay.

• 23:15Speaker 01

  There is resistance that can happen. And if you have resistance to what your point, what you've done, you gotta take time, like over a year where you get nothing and then try it again.

• 23:27Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 23:27Speaker 01

  That could help. However, what you just said about it doesn't last as long is something that I see all the time. And I always warn patients, especially people who've never had botox, the first time you get it, maybe the first two, maybe even the first five.

• 23:42Haley Sacks?

  It's gonna be incredible.

• 23:43Speaker 01

  It will last maybe five, six months. And you feel like, wow, this has lasted so long.

• 23:48Haley Sacks?

  Addictive.

• 23:49Speaker 01

  But the true duration of botox is ten to twelve weeks. And the way it wears off is not like ding. It's like you get it done, then you look good, and then one day you have more movement, then one day you have less movement, then one day you have more movement, then less. And it kind of has this undulating pattern until it finally wears off. So there is a period after the beginning where that happens. And then fast forward ten years, it starts lasting a little bit longer again.

• 24:14Haley Sacks?

  Oh, wow.

• 24:14Speaker 01

  Because your muscle gives a little bit over time. And so you have to live through the different phases. The danger is, once it starts really doing this undulating thing, you start thinking, I need it every three to four months. I would strongly advise that you still push it out.

• 24:31Haley Sacks?

  As long as you can.

• 24:32Speaker 01

  And really get your muscle memory back and not feed into the fear of this and you having to get it every three months. Because you're gonna buy yourself a bigger problem.

• 24:40Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, and that's also better financially too, because something I feel like people don't think about with, you know, injectables, in-office treatments, but also skincare in general, is that like, these are subscriptions.

• 24:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:51Haley Sacks?

  We all talk about Spotify and Netflix on our balance sheets, but what about the botox every three months?

• 24:57Speaker 01

  You're right. Very smart that you think of it that way. And what I tell also patients is like, you don't wanna feel like you are beholden to this every three months. You wanna view, for example, botox as giving your face moments of pause. So you're slowing down the aging process. It's not stopping it.

• 25:13Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 25:14Speaker 01

  But you don't wanna be chasing it all the time where you need it every three months and now you're spending so much money getting it every three months, but you're not being happy because it's coming back. So if you change your perspective and really just view it as like, it's a moment of pause twice a year.

• 25:26Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 25:27Speaker 01

  It's a much happier subscription.

• 25:28Haley Sacks?

  I like that.

• 25:29Speaker 01

  Than feeling married to it every three months on the dot.

• 25:31Haley Sacks?

  Totally. So but with the, you know, whenever you have an issue with your skin, then the internet will give you a solution that you have to pay for. So with the botox not working, the new solution is, oh, should I be face taping? And then I have to pay for all the face tape. And so it's like, do we believe in that?

• 25:48Speaker 01

  Listen, I mean, face taping, if you put any sort of silicone based tape on your face, it's going to hold on to the moisture in your skin slightly better. It's going to minimize the appearance of the very superficial fine lines, at least for a few minutes to maybe an hour or two after you wake up and you take it off.

• 26:09Haley Sacks?

  Other takes you twenty minutes to do the whole tape routine.

• 26:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, now people swear by it. If that makes them happy, great. I'm not gonna knock it.

• 26:18Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 26:19Speaker 01

  Do you know? And if you have the bandwidth and the ability and the desire to do it, God bless.

• 26:24Haley Sacks?

  Thank you.

• 26:24Speaker 01

  But if it is going to add more stress, which would add to my plate, that I think I have to do this every night and figure out how to do it correctly and go to sleep and not move in my bed. I would not, I, I, I won't, it doesn't fit my vibe. And so I would rather not do it.

• 26:38Haley Sacks?

  I love it. Thank you for that. Um, okay, let's pivot to hair health because that is something that's been taking over my group chats for sure and my Instagram feed. I feel like also with all the GLP one usage, there's so much thinning now and shedding. And also just like when you're young, like I never thought about my hair when I was little, I had like a big.

• 26:57Speaker 01

  I think there was also stigma. No one talks about hair loss when you were younger. Like, we're around, like, I'm forty two.

• 27:01Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 27:02Speaker 01

  But growing up, women were not talking about hair loss.

• 27:04Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, it's so true. And now it's like a thing and you, you know, it's a normalization to use minoxidil. And, you know, I, now it just feels like this other bucket that I'm supposed to be paying into more subscriptions to my beauty routine of my supplements and my, you know, I gotta get new shampoo and should I get a hair serum and minoxidil? And it's just like, what is worth the money? And when should someone like skip it? And like, how do we keep our hair looking?

• 27:29Speaker 01

  First things first, I'm gonna take you off the edge.

• 27:31Haley Sacks?

  Yes, I'm like.

• 27:31Speaker 01

  I'm gonna walk you back.

• 27:33Haley Sacks?

  The botox doesn't work and I'm balding.

• 27:35Speaker 01

  Let me walk you back. Okay, okay, let me walk you back. Okay. First things first, okay? We're gonna take a deep breath and kumbaya, okay? Kumbaya. Take some.

• 27:47Speaker 01

  All right, first things first. You wanna make sure that your base is healthy. Are we iron deficient? Do we have a well-balanced diet? No supplement is gonna replace a well-balanced diet. No supplement. Okay, so forget it. Just have a well-balanced diet. Are we vitamin D deficient? Have we checked common things that are off that affect hair, like thyroid dysfunction? So I wanna make sure that the foundational stuff are covered before we jump into this. And then there's obviously a million options, but we have to think of it as what is the over the counter form to a little bit more intense to prescription to potentially treatment? And what is it that I wanna do for myself? Right?

• 28:31Speaker 01

  If it is truly female pattern hair loss, there is no cure.

• 28:35Haley Sacks?

  And this is just genetic or?

• 28:37Speaker 01

  Genetic and hormone related.

• 28:38Haley Sacks?

  Okay, and is it, does it come later in life or this is something you would have had your whole life?

• 28:43Speaker 01

  It tends to start affecting women more so in their early, late twenties, early thirties. And people start to see a shift more so than, okay? I struggled with hair loss and I, I'm currently on treatment. I know, you look at this like, wow. I know, if I show you my before pictures, I'll show you some pictures on my phone. Okay. But there is many different things that you can choose to do. But I think you have to wonder, ask yourself first, how bad is the hair loss? And how much of it is affecting your mental well-being?

• 29:13Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, that's so true.

• 29:14Speaker 01

  If your mental well-being is really affected, we will throw the kitchen sink at it and then figure out what is working by pairing stuff back. So you're not doing all the things all the time until you're at a better baseline and you feel happier. And what do I mean by the kitchen sink? Starting with over the counter. You have hair supplements, which might be helpful, but not really if you're not on a well-balanced diet. Right? Number two.

• 29:34Haley Sacks?

  So skip the Nutriful, skip the Well-Bal.

• 29:36Speaker 01

  I'm not, I'm not skipping it. I was on Nutriful. I did feel like it allowed my hair to stay on my head longer and I wasn't shedding as much. So again, if, and I, and I had a very healthy diet.

• 29:46Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 29:46Speaker 01

  I'm not someone who doesn't eat. I love food, so I'm like, all the things. I did use that at one point. Then you have topical minoxidil. Don't buy the one for women, buy the one for men. We don't wanna pay the tax. It is real, okay? And so buy it five percent and see if that works for you. I developed an allergy to topical minoxidil. So I got very, very flaky and shedding. I looked like I had dandruff, so I couldn't tolerate it as well. And then you have in office, you know, and there's other things over the counter like ketoconazole shampoo that could potentially also be helpful on the margin. So why not throw it in there and see if it helps with better scalp health? But then beyond that, in office, you have PRP where you take your own blood and we inject it and we see if you respond. I respond to PRP.

• 30:28Speaker 01

  And so it did help sustain my hair growth in my thirties. Um, and it was helpful there. So if you know that it works for you, great, you can do it as little, as often as you find yourself. You can figure out your own timeline with it once you know you respond. And then you have as well, prescription medications. So in the prescription front, there are medications that can help to stimulate hair growth, like minoxidil, pills, not the topical. And then there are prescription medications that help to counterbalance the effects of androgens on hair loss. So like spironolactone. And so depending on what your issue is, we can then decide to go on a pill or not. But it's important to understand it's not a cure. So this is something we're subscribing to over the course of our life.

• 31:12Haley Sacks?

  So this is a real subscription.

• 31:14Speaker 01

  It's a real subscription.

• 31:15Haley Sacks?

  Yes.

• 31:15Speaker 01

  Can you stop it? Sure.

• 31:17Haley Sacks?

  But you're gonna lose your hair.

• 31:19Speaker 01

  And I have the discussion, especially with women, if they're choosing to get pregnant or wanting to get pregnant. Do we do this after?

• 31:24Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 31:25Speaker 01

  Because there's, you know, or are you so affected mentally by that you want to do it before and you'll deal with the hair loss while you're pregnant? Like, we have to have those very honest discussions upfront because it's all part of it. And then there are people who are on the very severe end of the spectrum where it's not spoken about nearly enough, who are candidates for hair transplants. And women are candidates for hair transplants too. It's not just for men.

• 31:48Haley Sacks?

  Not just men in Turkey.

• 31:48Speaker 01

  It's not just men in Turkey.

• 31:49Haley Sacks?

  Yes.

• 31:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:50Haley Sacks?

  Send the women to Turkey too, Dr. Idris.

• 31:52Speaker 01

  Or have someone, I'm looking for someone from my office who loves hair.

• 31:55Haley Sacks?

  Yes.

• 31:56Speaker 01

  This is if anyone's looking for a job who's a hair transplant, I'm looking for someone.

• 31:59Haley Sacks?

  You should.

• 32:00Speaker 01

  That is something that is really part of the aging process, you know, that really affects and impacts women very, very deeply so. And so you really have to kind of have this very holistic view of hair.

• 32:11Haley Sacks?

  But I feel like I still don't understand what are the products that really actually move the needle, like the supplements or whatever, but you're supposed to use.

• 32:17Speaker 01

  Supplements are whatever. So after I switched from supplements to topical, I did PRP.

• 32:22Haley Sacks?

  Oh, so the minoxidil and the PRP really helps.

• 32:24Speaker 01

  For me, it was really the prescriptions. I still occasionally do PRP. I'm playing now with the idea of hair secretomes, which is you can culture a molecule from the root of your hair.

• 32:34Haley Sacks?

  My god, you're a scientist.

• 32:36Speaker 01

  Um, to culture it. It's expensive, but you can culture it and then you can reintroduce it. So I did my first treatment like a month ago. I'm neither here nor there. Um, I will let you guys know how that one works. But the science is very interesting there.

• 32:48Haley Sacks?

  And how much would it cost to get PRP on your head, do you think?

• 32:52Speaker 01

  PRP is probably anywhere from fifteen hundred dollars to twenty four, twenty five hundred dollars a session.

• 32:58Haley Sacks?

  Okay.

• 32:58Speaker 01

  Depending where and how you're getting it done.

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• 34:06Haley Sacks?

  Okay, now I want to pivot to lasers because if you thought that I messed up my face with Botox, girl, you're gonna love my laser story. So me, skin.

• 34:17Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 34:17Haley Sacks?

  No issues, just normal, no pigment, just live in my, yeah, live in my damn life.

• 34:23Speaker 01

  How old were you?

• 34:24Haley Sacks?

  I was like thirty one.

• 34:26Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 34:26Haley Sacks?

  Maybe thirty two and I, my sister was getting married, so obviously I was the bride. And so I was like, okay, I need to do an in-office treatment to get ready for this big event.

• 34:37Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 34:37Haley Sacks?

  And I was so influenced, of course, by all the influencers in my feed, always going to the derm, getting their faces singed off, getting the lasers. So I thought, great. I had a friend who had just gotten Fraxel. I thought, I want to do Fraxel. Did I think about what my skin needed? No. I just was like, great, she did Fraxel, that'll work for me. Didn't think about like if our skins were the same or anything. And by the way, the practitioner didn't look at my skin or anything. They were like, okay, if you want to do Fraxel, we'll do Fraxel and did it to me.

• 35:07Speaker 01

  The same day?

• 35:09Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, I was just, I already booked it. Like, it wasn't like a discussion.

• 35:12Speaker 01

  You picked it and you booked it.

• 35:13Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, I picked it and booked it, which like, I feel like is, you shouldn't be allowed to.

• 35:16Speaker 01

  Like a red flag.

• 35:17Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, red flag is like when you're, why, I didn't go to medical school, why am I telling you what to do? But anyways, he did it. It was a guy, of course. And guess what? Looked amazing for the wedding, but then, da, da, da, da, it gave me melasma. And now your girl Haley, you can't tell because I cover it up, which is a good thing about melasma. You can cover it, but I have full melasma. And I just feel like this is a good example of when you fall for a trend, instead of really like considering yourself and what you need. And so, and I feel like, I don't know, I speak for my audience when like we are all laser curious.

• 35:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:49Haley Sacks?

  So what should someone ask or check before paying for a laser or any in-office treatment that you see online? Because, I don't know, you really do have to advocate for yourself and I'm a good example of, I got a little botched.

• 35:59Speaker 01

  Okay, to make you feel better. I'm not defending the practitioner. I don't know who did this. I don't want to know.

• 36:04Haley Sacks?

  Oh, he, by the way, every person that's messed me up, top doctors in New York City, I'm not doing like Groupon Botox.

• 36:10Speaker 01

  I will tell you, melasma wasn't caused by the laser, but it probably woke it up.

• 36:14Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, woke it up.

• 36:15Speaker 01

  So you're probably prone to it.

• 36:17Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 36:17Speaker 01

  So don't, don't kick yourself too hard.

• 36:19Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 36:19Speaker 01

  Okay, that you have it.

• 36:20Haley Sacks?

  So it's gonna come out at.

• 36:21Speaker 01

  It was probably gonna come out, you know, through some form in your life because melasma is really tricky. And I say like melasma is a bitch, like she is, like one minute she's quiet, one minute she's like, ah, in your face.

• 36:32Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 36:32Speaker 01

  And.

• 36:33Haley Sacks?

  And she's permanent.

• 36:33Speaker 01

  And she's permanent and heat can trigger it, hormones can trigger it, pregnancy can trigger it, menopause can trigger it, stress can trigger it. So so many things can trigger it. But I do agree with you that you have to have an understanding of what lasers are because lasers are just like a category, right? And if you're thinking about laser treatment, lasers can really do one of three things. If you're really specifically talking about a laser, not a device, a laser. A laser can either target pigment, it can either target redness, or it can target, target water for collagen. And depending on how the heat is delivered, it's also different for each one. So again, it's not universal. But when you are prone to melasma, I personally have found in my practice as well and personally,

• 37:16Speaker 01

  anything that is breaking your skin barrier and introducing heat is not something you want to do so cavalierly. Okay, because it will wake up faster. But can you get other laser treatments? You could definitely get a laser for redness where I'm not breaking your skin barrier down at all. And if anything, I have also seen anecdotally that it can help a bit with melasma because it's minimizing that heat flush that you get in your face that might wake it up. So there are other lasers that could potentially benefit you if that's your problem. But so I don't want you to be scared of lasers as a whole, but I do want you to.

• 37:49Haley Sacks?

  I am. I was told like I can only do chemical peels.

• 37:51Speaker 01

  I want you to approach lasers with much more skepticism.

• 37:54Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 37:55Speaker 01

  But not fear them. So it's good to ask the questions to understand, you know, like, how is this going to impact my melasma? Or can it cause any other issues that I don't need to know about? Um, I think those are very, very, like, very good questions to ask before you decide to do anything.

• 38:09Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 38:09Speaker 01

  Um, but I don't want you to be scared of the whole category as a whole because some treatments could still help you without affecting your melasma or causing another issue.

• 38:18Haley Sacks?

  Why do you know it's time to do a laser? Like, obviously you're sweating.

• 38:21Speaker 01

  So when I think of, when I think of laser treatments, right, pigment, redness or texture, I ask myself, number one, for pigment, am I on the right skincare routine?

• 38:30Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, so start there.

• 38:31Speaker 01

  Over the counter, that's why I get major fade. Have I boosted it with a prescription like hydroquinone to see if I can get even more benefit from it? And then I decide, is this something that is really worth it for me for what I'm trying to achieve? So my skincare routine has to reflect what I'm trying to get out of the laser. When it comes to redness, redness is trickier because redness could be due to an inflamed skin barrier. It could be vascular. If it's an inflamed skin barrier, it's skincare. If it's vascular and reactive and you flush and you get nervous and your ears get red and it impacts how you show up, it's going to be a laser treatment. And I think the V beam, the pulse dye laser is the most underrated laser in a cosmetic derm practice because it can really make a huge difference over time and you don't see it until you see it. And then number three is texture.

• 39:17Speaker 01

  And I have to ask, like, is it fine line texture or is it deeper acne scar texture? Like, are we trying to remodel the skin? Because if it's deeper texture, it's not just laser treatments that I'm going to do. I'm going to do a multiple different things, multitude of different things, affecting your skin from the outside in and the inside out. From subcision to lasers to micronealing with heat to like resurfacing. So it's many different things. If it's very fine line situational texture, then we can discuss a laser treatment only if I know you're on the right skincare routine again. Have you tried, have you been on a retinoid? How has, you know, other treatments in office affected those fine lines, whether it's Botox or Sculptra or filler or fat transfer, et cetera? And then we talk about the laser treatments.

• 39:58Haley Sacks?

  Okay, so you basically need a good practitioner to help you.

• 40:01Speaker 01

  I think you have to look at you as a whole.

• 40:03Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 40:03Speaker 01

  It can't just be, you can't look at a detail. And that's why I don't have a magnifying.

• 40:06Haley Sacks?

  And don't look at an influencer.

• 40:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, don't look at an influencer, don't look at a magnifying mirror. I don't believe in getting CO2 lasers at twenty years old if you've never had acne scars.

• 40:13Haley Sacks?

  Oh my gosh, I see that online all the time too.

• 40:14Speaker 01

  All the time. And you're like, they're gonna look wax figurines by the time they hit forty, fifty.

• 40:19Haley Sacks?

  So crazy.

• 40:20Speaker 01

  And you're like, what are we trying to achieve here?

• 40:22Haley Sacks?

  For lasers, how much do they cost? Like, how much should you be budgeting for if you want to have your first laser treatment?

• 40:28Speaker 01

  I mean, anywhere from like fifteen hundred to like two thousand five hundred dollars. It depends.

• 40:33Haley Sacks?

  And how often do you have to do it?

• 40:36Speaker 01

  I don't believe in signing people up for a subscription of laser treatments.

• 40:39Haley Sacks?

  Okay.

• 40:39Speaker 01

  I think you have to, depending on what the issue is, like, let's say it's pigment and you're on the right routine. Let's do one and see how good we get and see if now prescriptions can hold it and keep it going, you know? I don't like people doing two or three or four.

• 40:51Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 40:52Speaker 01

  Um, I think you kind of have to see where you're at in terms of like your skincare routine, prescription, and how much benefit you get from one treatment. Some person might be so happy with one, some person might, another person might need two or three.

• 41:04Haley Sacks?

  Okay, so you just mentioned retinol.

• 41:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:06Haley Sacks?

  Which is another thing that really confuses me and probably confuses a lot of people listening to you because it's like, everyone's always online talking about your retinol. You're such a loser if you don't use your retinol. I don't know how to use retinol. And now there's a new viral trend, Dr. Idris, of tretinoin and azellic acid.

• 41:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:23Haley Sacks?

  And so should we all be doing this? Can you break this down? Like, I am a loser.

• 41:28Speaker 01

  No, you're not a loser at all.

• 41:29Haley Sacks?

  Also, you're my doctor, you're a loser. Why aren't I in retinol? Yeah, we'll talk about that after.

• 41:33Speaker 01

  So because I, the reason you're not on it yet is because I want to really get your pigment down first.

• 41:37Haley Sacks?

  I'm going to pill first.

• 41:38Speaker 01

  Hydroquinone can be irritating and so I didn't want to irritate you with hydroquinone and Tret. And I don't like the compounded one that has a steroid because I don't want you using that. And so I'm trying to first get that under control.

• 41:48Haley Sacks?

  Yes, we're being targeted.

• 41:49Speaker 01

  We're being targeted and we're being systematic because we have time on our side.

• 41:52Haley Sacks?

  We sure do.

• 41:52Speaker 01

  That's what we're doing.

• 41:53Haley Sacks?

  Okay, thanks, love.

• 41:54Speaker 01

  Um, you're welcome.

• 41:55Haley Sacks?

  You're in charge.

• 41:56Speaker 01

  You're a part of, you're.

• 41:57Haley Sacks?

  I'm a part of it, yeah, yeah.

• 41:58Speaker 01

  You're a part of it. But I will tell you that retinoids are confusing to many different people. I think because we interuse words like retinol and Tret, but they're both part of the retinoid family of vitamin A, right?

• 42:13Haley Sacks?

  Oh, so retinol is a vitamin A?

• 42:14Speaker 01

  It's a vitamin A.

• 42:15Haley Sacks?

  Okay.

• 42:15Speaker 01

  Tret is a vitamin A.

• 42:16Haley Sacks?

  Okay.

• 42:17Speaker 01

  And a retinol is a weaker form of vitamin A that has to get converted twice to become Tret.

• 42:21Haley Sacks?

  Okay.

• 42:22Speaker 01

  Okay, so it's inactive versus Tret is active.

• 42:25Haley Sacks?

  Okay.

• 42:25Speaker 01

  And people in the US and abroad all think that stronger is better. But it's not. Because stronger can come with inflammation, irritation, purging, flakiness, redness, and actually stronger can maybe inflame your melasma. So consistency over intensity when it comes to the retinoid game.

• 42:44Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 42:44Speaker 01

  And I'm so happy because I feel like in the past year, I'm seeing a shift in the literature and also among dermatologists online, where they're finally saying it more as well. We're like, less is more. If you can tolerate a lighter retinol or something that is a little bit gentler within the vitamin A category on a much more regular basis, you're gonna have better long-term outcomes.

• 43:04Haley Sacks?

  When it came to starting your skincare line, how much did it cost to start it?

• 43:08Speaker 01

  It was expensive.

• 43:09Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 43:10Speaker 01

  Because I wasn't just doing one product. I was working on at the time, four different products. So it was around a little bit above a million.

• 43:20Haley Sacks?

  And that was cash you made that you saved? That you were like, I'm gonna invest back in myself.

• 43:23Speaker 01

  And it was a big discussion to be had. Like, I was sitting with my husband and I was like, we have two kids. You know, it was 2021, 2020, 21. The world was a little bit unstable. He knew I had this money saved also for the office. And he was like, listen, you don't have to spend the million all at once. It's not like you're spending it all at once. But ultimately, you are your own best investment. And if you think this is something you want to do, he's like, I believe in you. And we're still young enough that we can take this risk, that we can try to put it towards the brand. And if it doesn't work out, you can always, it's always good that you've tried it because you don't want to live with the regret of not having tried it. And we were fortunate that he had a job and I had a job. And so we had to do it.

• 44:01Haley Sacks?

  Good cash flow, yeah.

• 44:02Speaker 01

  Where it wasn't like we were sitting on this hoping and praying. And so for me, it was like, okay, am I gonna use this money to buy an extra laser? Which I didn't choose to do for the practice because lasers are at least like quarter to half a million bucks, depending.

• 44:14Haley Sacks?

  And do you lease them or you buy them?

• 44:16Speaker 01

  I initially leased to buy, but now I just buy them. So it's just.

• 44:21Haley Sacks?

  And how long does a laser last for?

• 44:23Speaker 01

  I mean, a long time.

• 44:24Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 44:24Speaker 01

  A long time. You know, like Fraxel's been around for a very long time.

• 44:27Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 44:28Speaker 01

  But I did, I chose not to buy two lasers. I kept them for later on purchases. And I didn't take the whole practice and I took that money instead and said, okay, let's start it to invest it over the next three to four years within this skincare brand. And that's how I built it.

• 44:41Haley Sacks?

  And now, how much is it worth?

• 44:43Speaker 01

  It's a great question. The number, those numbers, we are, it's an internal, it's private still.

• 44:49Haley Sacks?

  But it's cash flow positive?

• 44:51Speaker 01

  It is. I mean, it's, it is cash flow positive, but everything you make in the brand goes back into the brand.

• 44:55Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 44:55Speaker 01

  So I'm not making money from the brand. I'm reinvesting it every year if I'm trying to grow.

• 45:00Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 45:00Speaker 01

  And that's where like, at this point, you're like, at what point do you take an investment? Because it's so hard to keep up. And if you're trying to grow, it's not like you're trying to grow. So you might need a bigger influx.

• 45:10Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 45:10Speaker 01

  For what I could sustain. Because I've been able to sustain it, but it's been slow and steady, right? And so I'm not, I don't take home a salary from the skincare brand, no.

• 45:18Haley Sacks?

  Okay. And then, you know, it's so amazing to hear about your husband. I love watching you guys on social media. And it really just reminds me that your, the biggest financial decision that you will ever make is.

• 45:28Speaker 01

  Is who you marry.

• 45:28Haley Sacks?

  Exactly.

• 45:29Speaker 01

  It's the most important decision. Because I think about this all the time. Like, if I was married to another human that I've known in my life, right? Would they have believed in me or have been able to, willing to take that financial risk? Or willing to push me forward? Or wanting me to have the success that I have as a woman and he's a man? And there are so many people that you see who are threatened by even the slightest success and to have someone who's just confident in themselves. And so happy for my success is like, the best investment of all. Like, really, who are you gonna spend your life with? Who's gonna be your cheerleader? And who's gonna be the person by your side?

• 46:04Haley Sacks?

  Well, Dr. Idris, thank you so much for coming on the show. I feel like this will be the first of many episodes together because we definitely need your wisdom.

• 46:10Speaker 01

  I could just hang out with you.

• 46:11Haley Sacks?

  I know.

• 46:12Speaker 01

  I'm hanging out with you after we're done.

• 46:13Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, we are. I was like, what are you doing after? Clear your schedule.

• 46:16Speaker 01

  I did, I canceled my patient.

• 46:18Haley Sacks?

  I can't wait. But thank you so much, Sippers, for listening. And reminder that we are doing an amazing giveaway of Dr. Idris products. We're giving away.

• 46:26Speaker 01

  I'm so excited.

• 46:27Haley Sacks?

  Yes, tell them what it is.

• 46:28Speaker 01

  Okay, so you guys are gonna be getting the Major Fade Set, which is three different products that target pigmentation through different ways. Two of which, the serum and the moisturizer, I use every day, twice a day. And the mask, the Exploating Mask, probably like.

• 46:40Haley Sacks?

  I love that mask.

• 46:41Speaker 01

  That's the one that keeps winning awards. It's so funny, but for me, the serum is the powerhouse. But the mask, I use probably two to four times a week at night, only at night. And so you guys can be brighter humans from the outside in.

• 46:52Haley Sacks?

  All you have to do is subscribe to both of our YouTube channels and then just comment your favorite part of the episode and we'll read them all and choose 10 winners. And like, the better your comment is, you know, the more major fades coming your way.

• 47:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, you'll stand out.

• 47:05Haley Sacks?

  You're gonna stand out. Okay, stay rich.

• 47:09Speaker 01

  Thank you.

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