Jordan Love Green Bay Quarterback on Packers 2023 season, beating Dallas Cowboys in playoffs, free agency, the mystic of Lambeau Field & overcoming adversity and dealing with the loss of his father early in life

One of the biggest football stories of the 2023 NFL season came out of Green Bay, as Quarterback Jordan Love led his Packers team to the postseason, knocking off the NFC favorite Dallas Cowboys on the road. In his first year as a starter, Love surpassed expectations and rallied a young team to be one of the last standing at the end of the season, coming up just short of playing in the NFC Championship. Love is sitting with Ryan, Channing and Fred to talk about his past year, quieting the doubters while building on the success of this year, free agency moves and Jordan takes us back to how his football journey started, sharing life events that made him question if playing quarterback was even something he could do. When the Packers drafted Aaron Rodgers’ successor in 2020, they selected Jordan Love out of the state of Utah with the 26th overall pick, and although he was expected to come in as a backup, Jordan understood the responsibility of the long lineage of great QBs in Green Bay history that he was following and the unique opportunity in front of him to learn from one of the game's best to ever do it, in Rodgers. This past season, getting his opportunity to start after Rodgers left for NY, Love made his position known that he was no longer the back up as it was the start of a new era in Green Bay with a fresh style of QB play under center. Jordan let his on field play do the talking for him, quieting any doubters that he could be the next great Packers QB. Jordan threw for over 4,000 yards and 32 touchdowns in his first season starting and led the Packers to the NFL Playoffs where they knocked off the Dallas Cowboys in an upset victory on the road, garnering league wide respect and earning top honors as one of the best QBs in the game. Coming up short against the 49ers one game shy of the NFC Championship, Jordan looks at the missed opportunities and certain plays he wishes he had back but knows it only makes him better prepared to take on adversity going forward. He shares the highs and lows of the 2023 season and also what he learned from playing behind Rodgers and how he used it to help him become a better leader on the field and a threat to opposing defenses. In 2023, game by game the football world could see Jordan’s confidence increase while putting up MVP caliber numbers with a young receiving core around him. Jordan talks about the team's progress and how to build off of it this season and is excited with Green Bay's new free agency pickups that only makes the team stronger. Jordan is confident about becoming the team to beat in the NFC North and uses adversity to propel him forward, becoming better each time on the field. No stranger to loss and setback, at 14 years old, Jordan lost his father, which left a hole in his world but he shares how instrumental his mother and three sisters were in his upbringing and the core of his world now. As a young player, he relied on a strong support system of family and coaches during the process of mourning his dad's sudden passing, but found strength in the adversity and learned to turn his pain into focus of living out his football dream in his father's memory. Expectations continue to rise around Love and the Packers and Jordan welcomes the pressure to shed the underdog stigma and show the world his team deserves to be respected as one of the top competitors in the NFL. New episodes drop on Tuesdays at 12 p.m. ET and Fridays at 3:30 p.m ET on YouTube, with audio available on all streaming platforms including Apple, Spotify and Amazon. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:30Ryan Clark?

  When we was doing it, and like Jonathan said that, and I was like, oh, man, you knew she would. You know, like, I'm thinking that people are gonna see it and be like, this is a black love story. I thought everybody was gonna love it and like laugh. You know what I mean? Bro, we spent two weeks defending him. I seen it. Chad, I started posting them on the story, on my story. Like, they were my kids. They really loved each other. Trust me. I'm defensive.

• 0:56Channing Crowder?

  Black love, shit.

• 0:57Ryan Clark?

  I was like, y'all ain't never been around two people that love each other the way they hate us. Y'all don't know how it is.

• 1:03Channing Crowder?

  He swiped left.

• 1:05Fred Taylor?

  But hey. You can't tell people what their love story is.

• 1:09Ryan Clark?

  Nah, yeah.

• 1:10Fred Taylor?

  That's what you're trying to tell people on the internet?

• 1:13Channing Crowder?

  I know, I know what happened to my love story. I was the bad one.

• 1:17Fred Taylor?

  So you were the good little one?

• 1:18Channing Crowder?

  I was the catch.

• 1:22Fred Taylor?

  So, you was like, you, you, you, you said that on the show too. You, you talking about this light skin and his red bones and...

• 1:30Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, cuz I watched, I watched Poetic Justice, and I watched Opposite of the Gentlemen. And that was my, my sexual experiences that I watched. And then I capitalized on it.

• 1:40Fred Taylor?

  A lot of J.O.'s...

• 1:41Channing Crowder?

  Cuz you gotta lick down that neck, and you gotta come down that middle.

• 1:44Ryan Clark?

  I have a question. Can you just get it out early? The whole with light skin and all that? Just get it out early, go ahead. What we got, what we got? Go ahead, get it out early.

• 1:52Channing Crowder?

  I appreciate you keeping the culture going. Light-skinned, pretty dudes.

• 1:57Fred Taylor?

  Come on. See, that's the thing. There you go, appreciate that. He said. They would like that one over there. He set up.

• 2:04Channing Crowder?

  Light-skinned, pretty dudes, man, we taking over.

• 2:06Fred Taylor?

  That's how J.O. got set up.

• 2:08Channing Crowder?

  We got Steph, we got Obama.

• 2:10Fred Taylor?

  That's exactly how J.O. got set up.

• 2:12Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, y'all, y'all, y'all don't want to admit that now, us light-skinned dudes.

• 2:16Fred Taylor?

  Can you admit that you set up J.O.? Because what he said was.

• 2:19Channing Crowder?

  He set up J.O.

• 2:19Fred Taylor?

  He said he was a catch.

• 2:21Channing Crowder?

  And we all the catch.

• 2:22Fred Taylor?

  I'm bad, we bad red bones.

• 2:24Channing Crowder?

  We all the catch. Everybody see me sit back and cross my leg here in a second. That's what that boy, we sit like that, you cross your leg? When you sit, you don't cross your leg.

• 2:32Fred Taylor?

  My head's saying flex, man, don't fall into that, child.

• 3:00Ryan Clark?

  Man, Jordan Love, welcome to the Pivot.

• 3:03Fred Taylor?

  Yes, sir.

• 3:03Ryan Clark?

  This is Freddie T., this is Chad, I'm RC. First of all, man, congratulations on an amazing year.

• 3:10Fred Taylor?

  Thank you, thank you.

• 3:11Ryan Clark?

  Truly. First year starting, it's difficult, man, to be in a place where it's 30 years of Hall of Fame, plus of Hall of Fame play. And the way you executed, rebounded from some difficult games, I thought it was amazing. But quarterbacks are kind of like superheroes, especially in Green Bay, right? Every superhero has an origin story. You were almost Michael Jordan Love, which I think is, would have been a really cool name.

• 3:38Fred Taylor?

  Would have been really cool, yeah.

• 3:39Ryan Clark?

  Would have been a really cool name, Michael Jordan Love. But, you know, your father was always pushing you and saying that you were going to be what you eventually became. But I guess your story would start at 14, when your father passes, when your mother encourages you to continue playing football. What was that time like for you?

• 4:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, that was a difficult time. Obviously, just losing my father. You know, that was tough, being 14 years old. You know, the man I look up to, the man who raised me, losing a parent. Like, it was very tough for me and my family. A very hard situation, but yeah, like you said, you know, being able to bounce back and handle that adversity and, you know, like you said, that year I was thinking about quitting football. Like, I was a backup quarterback, playing wide receiver. Stuff wasn't really going my way, and I was like, man, I might have to give it up. And my mom, you know, knowing that my dad's dream was for me to play football, me to be an athlete, that he was the one that was always out front, throwing the football with me, teach me how to throw, teach me how to catch, you know, that that was his dream for me, and she's the one that really pushed me.

• 4:48Speaker 04

  And, you know, so stick it out another year and see what happens. And, you know, ended up sticking out that year and became the starting quarterback. And was able to fight through that adversity, get over that uphill battle, and, you know, come out better for it on the other end.

• 5:05Channing Crowder?

  Moving forward from that, like, you're making it real simple, but it's not that simple. You know what I'm saying? Like, moving forward from that, like, what was that like? Because people need to know, you know what I'm saying, why you are where you are today.

• 5:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, it was tough. You know, like I said, you lose, you know, the person who's taught you so much in life, and it was hard. It was very hard. Being a kid, just not understanding, you know, why the situation happened. Obviously, you know, people pass away and life goes on, but for it to be your dad, it's like, man, you never would have thought that would have happened. And that's my superhero, you know. My parents were my superhero. They both were, you know, police officers. So I've, you know, heard stories about my dad fighting crime and, you know, he seems like a superhero, and then to lose him was tough. But, you know, I had my three sisters, my mom, and, you know, I had a lot of supports, you know, system around me that were able to help me get through it. But it was a very tough time, you know. That whole year, I'd say, was... Tough because you gotta just adjust to life.

• 6:03Speaker 04

  You know, everybody you talk to after that is asking you how you're doing and you know, just things like that. It's a tough situation. It taught me at a young age that adversity happens in life. You know, you want life to be perfect. You want to think it's this, you know, dream and fairy tale that everything's gonna be happy, everybody's gonna be healthy, but life goes on and things happen and it's not that way. So to be able to just handle that adversity and move on and grow from it. And I think just emotionally it matured me a little bit at a young age, too.

• 6:33Ryan Clark?

  Channing's sisters beat him up a lot, right?

• 6:37Channing Crowder?

  They did. They used to beat me with the... My sister twisted off the antenna of an S10 pickup truck and whooped my back. And I threw a Kool-Aid cup at her and we were fighting.

• 6:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't know how you... They don't throw Kool-Aid cups. It's over with. You throw a Kool-Aid cup. Hit your sister all day. It's over with.

• 6:57Channing Crowder?

  We live a little different.

• 6:58Ryan Clark?

  But you did have, you had three older sisters.

• 7:00Speaker 04

  Two older sisters, one younger, yeah.

• 7:02Ryan Clark?

  You know, and you know, like your pops wanted a son, but you had to... When you were like 5'6" or something entering high school, you were a smaller guy. You've obviously grown.

• 7:13Speaker 04

  5'6", my freshman year, man.

• 7:15Ryan Clark?

  5'6"?

• 7:16Speaker 04

  But I was, my parents started me early. So I was almost a year younger than everybody in my class, you know? So I was always the younger guy. And yeah, just had a, you know, a late bloomer. Yeah, I was 5'6". 5'6", 100 and like...

• 7:28Channing Crowder?

  Late bloomer, bitch. You was a midget.

• 7:32Speaker 04

  I got a football picture of my freshman year. I was one of the smallest dudes on my, like, in my friend group. I was the smallest dude, playing receiver, like backup, you know what I mean? And then I got another picture of my senior. I'm talking to everybody. So it's crazy how, yeah, man.

• 7:45Ryan Clark?

  So what happens in that transition, though? Like, when does it click that you could actually be something? Because even after growing six inches or whatever it is, becoming the starting quarterback, it wasn't like you became this five-star player and every college was knocking down your door. So when were you able to start to think, okay, to yourself, that you could realize these dreams of becoming what you are today?

• 8:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, man, that was, uh, that was the journey for me is because in high school, obviously undersized, was a backup and, you know, I got strength coaches telling me, "Oh, you're gonna be, you're gonna be, you know, 6'4", "You're gonna be huge", you know, "Look at my hands, look at my feet", things like that. Like, "Just wait, you'll grow into your body", and I'm like, "I'm not believing it." And then, you know, started hitting growth spurt, but, you know, still was trying to figure it out on the field, things like that. Wasn't this great player, I was a two-star coming out. And so, it's all these things that, you know, my confidence wasn't super high in high school. I was always saying I was good. More than anything, I was a basketball player. I thought I was gonna be a hooper, and that didn't work out, but I'd say my junior, going into my senior, that's when, you know, started going to more camps, played 7-on-7 with Ground

• 8:51Speaker 04

  Zero, got a little bit more looks over there. You know, that's when the offers started rolling, and I was like, "Okay, I'm gonna go to college and, you know, get a free education, hopefully become the starting quarterback", but my mindset still wasn't, "I'm gonna make it to the NFL", like, that was a dream, but it wasn't like a reality, thinking that that could actually happen. So, you know, I went to college, and I think really, once I started starting in college and started seeing myself getting better and better and better, and being able to compete with these dudes, so I was looking around and being like, "Man, these dudes are really good", like, "I wish I could get there", and then, you know, just kept working, and, um, obviously, I got there, took over in college, become a starter, and those dreams, I was like, "Okay, next step's the NFL now", and it's all becoming a little bit more real. So, I think my confidence through that, it all, just kept growing.

• 9:33Fred Taylor?

  Not until I was about 16, I met my dad. You know, so, part of my childhood, I didn't know who my dad was. My mom was young, my grandmother stepped up to the plate, like, she helped fill that void of not having a father figure, so me and my grandmother, it was like this prior to she, she passed away. Did you have another male figure in your life after losing your dad, or was it your, your mom, or grandmother, or anyone? Who stepped up to kind of help fill that void?

• 10:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, so I had, obviously, my mom, who was, you know, she, she's awesome. If you guys ever get a chance to meet her, she's, you know, a superstar. She is always looking out for me and making sure everything's good with me and my sister, so she, she's very, very awesome and a blessing. But, um, other than that, I had, you know, some, some close friends growing up, who I was, you know, would go over and hang out at their house, play basketball, like, stay the night, those kind of things, and his dad, Mr. Hicks, was a very good role model.

• 10:29Speaker 04

  For me, when my dad passed away and then my football coach, my high school coach, Brian Nixon, he was also just someone who was there, who I always looked up to because he was my coach. And then, you know, he helped me through the journey of football. And he was the one that was continuing to push me and tell me I was gonna be, you know, I was gonna go to college. I was gonna, you know, grow into my body and become a really good player. And I had him, I had those two guys, but I had, you know, uncles and my grandpa was somebody that I look up to. And he was always checking on me after this incident to make sure everything was going good in my life. You know, the list goes on. There were so many different people that helped me, but I think the biggest one is always my mom.

• 11:08Fred Taylor?

  You have an agent and David Mulagut, who's hands down one of the best in the business.

• 11:14Ryan Clark?

  He got it.

• 11:15Fred Taylor?

  I follow Twitter. I follow Rapaport. And athletes first, deals done by David. I see the shit.

• 11:22Speaker 04

  You know, David, that's, he's the man. The thing that stood out to me most about Dave was just how much pride he takes in that and trying to do the best for everybody he's with. And his whole brand is family ties. And like, when I met David, it was, you could see, like, the guys he represent, it almost feels like a family. Get that bond going and have a group of guys that you can, you know, be cool with. And you're all going through the same thing to, you know, just build that relationship. So I think that was one of the coolest things I've seen. I don't know if there's too many other agents doing it like he's doing. And then obviously.

• 11:51Fred Taylor?

  But no, athletes first, I think that's an amazing name for the company because, you know, he fights for the deals. You have some agents out there that just kind of float. They let the teams box them in. But all these deals I've seen come out, the athletes come first. Like, he's like, no, we're not settling for that. We're gonna go out and kick these teams out respectfully. Gonna do business the right way. So.

• 12:14Ryan Clark?

  You talked about the journey, right, to get to where you are. And, you know, like, I wasn't drafted. Like, both of these guys were drafted. You're a first-rounder. Like, I couldn't imagine the excitement when the phone actually rings. And you get an opportunity, you know, okay, this is where I'm gonna spend the next year of my life, hopefully the next decade of my life. But for quarterbacks, only one guy plays. And you get drafted to Green Bay where Aaron Rodgers is the quarterback. What was that part of the process like for you? Because it has to be the excitement.

• 12:45Channing Crowder?

  Of knowing you've been drafted, knowing that you're a first-round quarterback, but you also understand at least right away you'll be sitting.

• 12:51Speaker 04

  Draft night is a crazy night in general unless you know what team you're going to right off, right off the top. It's, you know, the sitting and waiting and just, you know, seeing guys get taken in that just waiting game, waiting for your phone to ring. So I was there with my family, man, and I was super excited when that phone finally rang. And, you know, I see Green Bay, Wisconsin. I'm like, okay, answer it. Packers. I'm like, oh, here we go. Got drafted. Like, that's, I mean, that's what you work for. That's a dream come true and a blessing just to get there. But my mind immediately went to, okay, yeah, Aaron Rodgers is there. Like, I'll be watching Aaron my whole life. So, you know, just knowing that he's there and that's his team, it's like, okay. Obviously, I'm not coming in and starting right away in this situation. You know, it's gonna be

• 13:32Speaker 04

  a situation where I'm gonna come in and, and learn and, you know, develop and be a backup to start and, and just see what the situation plays out and how it unfolds. But definitely right away knew, you know, I wasn't coming in to start.

• 13:45Channing Crowder?

  Coming out, being a dog, being, everybody knew what the, yeah, first-round draft pick. And then now people start questioning your talent. And that's something that a lot of players have to deal with.

• 13:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, I think most players gotta deal with that. I think it's one thing that you, you gonna have, people gonna have these questions until you get on the field. And obviously, being a backup for three years, the questions kept coming in and not even getting a preseason my rookie year. So I definitely didn't see the field at all. So people just didn't really know what I was about. Being drafted to Green Bay, they have Aaron Rodgers. Like, you know, there's a lot that went into my situation. I think it just raised people's antennas a little more. Like, who is this guy? Can he play? Is he gonna be good? He's like, what's the situation gonna look like? So, you know, I dealt with that for three years. And, you know, it was a lot. It was people coming to me in the locker room like, bro, why, why are these people asking me about you all offseason? I'm like, man, I, like, I don't know, I don't know what to tell you.

• 14:36Speaker 04

  I'm gonna get out there when I get out there, when I get my opportunity. So, yeah, it was a lot of dealing with that, man.

• 14:42Fred Taylor?

  So it's one thing to be questioned, but I guess the question is, did you question yourself and your abilities? Like, your patience? What was at the forefront? Complacency? Like, ah, I don't know what's gonna happen? Or more motivation?

• 14:58Speaker 04

  I think if anything, it was more motivation. Just wanting to prove people wrong. You know, I see people, I see everything they're saying, you know, this guy can't play, who is this guy? This guy's trash. And, you know, just knowing that once I get my opportunity, I'm gonna prove people wrong and I'm gonna show them who I am. And just waiting on that opportunity, knowing that I gotta control what I can control and the situation is what it is. And as long as Aaron is there, I'm gonna, you know, keep doing what I can do to get better in the offseason when I get those opportunities and those reps with the starters and take advantage of preseason when I get those chances in the game and just trying to make the most of that situation. But knowing that when I get my opportunity, I'm gonna take and run with it.

• 15:34Ryan Clark?

  You started the season hot, you know. First few games, played extremely well. And then it was like week three or four through 10 where the team struggled. Coming into the season, like a lot of the talk was, right, because before you got an opportunity to start, it was Aaron couldn't excel because Devante left. And there weren't people on the team to throw the football to. And then you take over and it's all these first and second year young people and young players at the skill positions that's gonna have to grow with you. You guys start hot, you kind of hit a lull in the middle of the season where the team's not playing great, but your statistics aren't great. And then you go on this run to finish the season, that's MVP caliber numbers. Played, I think you beat Pat, I think you

• 16:18Ryan Clark?

  beat Dak, obviously, in the playoffs as well. What was, or how did you deal with that time where the team wasn't playing well? Because essentially with the deal that you did, you were playing to show them, I can be the franchise guy going forward. And I know you had to hear some of the noise during that point.

• 16:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, the noise was there, obviously. Like you said, a young receiver corps, you know, they're hearing the noise as well. Like, we don't have any weapons, we don't have any vets on the team and the receiver corps, things like that. So, you know, our whole team was very motivated to go out and prove people wrong. My first year starting, like, there's just a lot of variables. But you started, you know, opened up with Chicago, played a great game. And then, you know, like you said, kind of after that, we went on a loser streak, not playing as well. You know, I think all those games we lost, though, we were right there. Like, they were very close games where, besides really, you know, our first Lions game, where they're they're close games, where if we just did a couple of things different, executed a couple of plays, we'd get there and we'd be right over the hump. But I think more than anything,

• 17:18Speaker 04

  it was just getting reps, being out there on the field. You know, we had a lot of young guys, like I said, to be able to develop and gain experience each game. And being down in a couple of those games and seeing ourselves like, man, we gotta find a way to turn this around. Like, defense is balling, offense is... A couple of plays here and there that we're just not capitalizing on. So I think more than anything, it was just keeping our confidence high and not not letting that waiver throughout that whole process, knowing that we were gonna get over to something. Like, we're a good team. I knew we were a good team. I knew we had a lot of good weapons. We just gotta find ways to play well. And I think the biggest thing was not letting our confidence waver. People in the locker room stayed together. You know, it wasn't a lot of point fingers and complaining. But guys, you know, stuck together and found ways to get better.

• 17:59Ryan Clark?

  Talk to me about Thanksgiving, though.

• 18:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, Lions.

• 18:02Ryan Clark?

  Right? Like, Thanksgiving against the Lions, that was that was the game, you know, everybody sitting home, we eating, getting an opportunity to sit down. And we all knew what the Lions were. Eventually, they go to the NFC Championships, where you guys, you guys very well could have been as well. But that was one of those games, man. Like, everything felt like it clicked. Everything seemed to be on point. Was that sort of the point where you guys realized who you could actually be? And for yourself individually, did it sink in that, okay, I could really do this?

• 18:33Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. Well, I really think every game throughout the season, we were building that confidence and gaining it through each, you know, game we played. But the Lions game, man, I think that was our, you know, first time seeing another team for the second time. Obviously, the first game didn't go how we planned and didn't play as we wanted. And we knew we were a good team. We knew they were a good team. But I still think, you know, we just didn't come out and play the way we were supposed to. And I think just starting fast that game, you know, got us going and got us in that mindset. Like, all right, we know who we are and we know what we can do to these guys. And we were just executing on all cylinders and just playing, you know, free, you know, not worrying about mistakes. That was a big turning point for me in the season was just...

• 19:16Speaker 04

  Loosen up and not worry about mistakes, not trying to be perfect out there on the field. You know, if you, if you make a bad pass, you miss a throw, miss a read, you know, forget about, forget about it, move on to the next play. So that was huge for me and my confidence. But like I said, it was our first time seeing a team for the second time and yeah, that was, that was a fun game. That was a fun game.

• 19:35Channing Crowder?

  Well, coming in as a young quarterback and what, what the start of your career was and knowing you were backing up, like you said, Rodgers was there and all, and then being the guy, because it's safety of running back, a linebacker, like when we got drafted, it wasn't that pressure on us of being the face of the franchise. And so then you come in and you have to really, you have to really turn into that dude. Like what's that pressures like? Cause I, I don't even know, bro. I, I, I locked in, it was, it was Junior Sale, Zach Thomas and Jason Taylor were the other linebackers when I got in. So I had no pressure. Like they ran into me all the time. I had a bunch of tackles because they didn't believe in me. But the pressure of being the guy, the guy of a city.

• 20:17Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm. It's a lot of pressure. But that's what comes with being a quarterback. That's what comes with being an NFL. But yeah, when I got to Green Bay, it was a lot of pressure, just like we talked about, being the guy that was drafted to a team that had Aaron Rodgers. And you know, I'm trying to prove myself and prove how good of a player I am to these guys who don't know me. You know, I've never played with me. So that, that was where I felt that pressure, just trying to prove it to my teammates of who I am, which, which was tough. Trying to prove that while, you know, being a rookie, learning the playbook. Like there was a lot that went into my rookie year that, you know, I, I tell people all the time, it's tough to excel as a rookie quarterback, you know, getting thrown in the fire and trying to learn so many new things at one time and also perform on the field. But you know, I was able to, you know, kind of just put that pressure to the side

• 21:01Speaker 04

  and because it's easier when you're not playing, I would say. When you're on the bench and you know, I didn't really have to do a lot of media that year. So you know, there was a lot of things that I was kind of not in that light of what it'd be like if I was a starting quarterback. So a little bit of that pressure was taken off, I would say.

• 21:20Ryan Clark?

  You talk about pressure. It's pressure, man, to go to Dallas in the first week of the playoffs and play against the Dallas Cowboys, who at the time, people thought could win the Super Bowl. They had a quarterback who's in the MVP conversation, you know. Y'all show up and it wasn't even close. He dead ass up. You know what I mean, like y'all, like y'all, like y'all started playing and won. Like leading the game, you know what I'm saying, like you in red zone, y'all throwing it side on, y'all started, like, like really. You and Matt LaFleur really seemed to click as the season went along. It was like he had to learn what life was like without Aaron Rodgers and what fits Jordan Love best. And you also had to learn what it's like to be the starting quarterback of the Green Bay Packers.

• 22:03Ryan Clark?

  What was that week of preparation headed into that game? What were some of the conversations you guys had? Because you're running up against a team that truly, everybody thought this is the year that the Dallas Cowboys finally get it.

• 22:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, you know, there was a lot going into that week just because, like we said, the year we had going into that, it was a win and get in situation. So we were rolling, had won our last couple of games and been playing well. And then obviously get to the playoffs, this is my first time being in the playoffs and being a starter. There's a lot of guys on our team, first time being in the playoffs. We're going to get up against a really good Dallas team at their place. So, you know, our conversation with Matt, he was telling me all week, man, just don't put any added pressure on yourself. Treat it like another game, which I'm sure a lot of coaches have told you guys, but you know, that was kind of our mindset. That underdog mentality, like we were going to go in there and shock people and that's what we did. But, you know, credit to Matt, we, I think we had a really good game plan coming into it. Obviously, we played the Cowboys the year before.

• 22:59Speaker 04

  Matt had a good feel of, you know, the defense and what they, he felt like they were going to be doing. I think we had an outstanding game plan going into it.

• 23:06Ryan Clark?

  Okay, look, all right, man, listen, I know you're nice and humble and all. Very pleasant. Y'all was blowing them out though.

• 23:12Speaker 04

  We was, we was.

• 23:14Ryan Clark?

  They tore they bro, they tore they ass up, let's be honest. At some point where you're sitting on the sideline, you were sitting on the sideline, because you know how it is, it's just like, hey, it's just another game and they telling you all this. But I've been in those big playoff games, them not so much, but I have, right? And so when I was in those games, like they didn't really. I can't even, I can't even, I can't even tell right now. The difference, right? And I couldn't imagine being the quarterback.

• 23:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:38Ryan Clark?

  Like, once your team starts to get up and you're winning and you're at Dallas and you see that they're reeling. When does it hit you that, hold on, like, we beating they ass?

• 23:48Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm. I mean, that whole game, that's what we were thinking on that sideline. Like, it was, it was a fun game. Just to come in there, you know, the crowds into it and to be able to, you know, quiet that stadium down real early, it was awesome, man. But I think really, man, everything we was doing was working, it felt like. It's one of those games where you're just locked in, in the zone, and, and you can't do no wrong, almost. So, yeah, we rolling.

• 24:10Ryan Clark?

  You made a close friend of ours really cry, like, real tears. I called, I called our producer after the game, you know, to check on her. I know she's a huge Dallas fan.

• 24:22Speaker 04

  Okay, okay.

• 24:23Ryan Clark?

  The pivot almost ended, legitimately.

• 24:25Fred Taylor?

  Told they ass.

• 24:26Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, we had, we had shoots the next week. She couldn't get out of bed. And honestly, y'all broke the Cowboys. They not even participating in free agency. Like, they, the Cowboys forgot that there was offseason after that game. This will be Michael Parsons and nobody.

• 24:44Fred Taylor?

  Just want to go back and remind our viewers, the reason why our producer was crying and almost ended the show is because of you. You were 16 for 21, 272 yards, three touchdowns, a passer rating of 157.2, which is a point shy of a perfect pass rate. You had a hell of a game. And Alicia was like, I cannot believe this. So, shout out to Mr. Love for making our producer feel bad.

• 25:16Ryan Clark?

  We ain't had no believers in here, man. We ain't had no believers. I'm be honest, Jordan. I was skeptical.

• 25:23Ryan Clark?

  But when you, when that, when that, when that does happen, though, like, I say this all the time, right? Expectations are the leading cause of disappointment.

• 25:30Fred Taylor?

  Mm.

• 25:31Ryan Clark?

  Right? And so, coming into the season, there were doubters. And those people felt really good, like, week three through 10. You know, Jordan Love's not ready. There's not enough skilled player experience. He's gonna have to lead this young group. There were questions about Matt LaFleur. Matt LaFleur can't coach without Aaron Rodgers. All of those adjustments are made, and we're in the divisional round of the playoffs. We're... Watching the Green Bay Packers up at halftime against the San Francisco 49ers, who at that time were the best team in the NFC, number one seed. When you're at halftime of that game, playing as well as you are, Aaron's running the football the way he is, the defense is dominating at that point.

• 26:13Ryan Clark?

  What were those conversations at halftime? Because you guys were 30 minutes away from advancing to the NFC Championship.

• 26:22Speaker 04

  Man, those conversations were just similar to most other games. Let's go finish that game. That's the mindset. Obviously, we knew what type of team San Fran was, all the weapons they got over there. But yeah, I mean, we were right there in that game with them and with a chance to win. And obviously, fell short, just a couple of little opportunities, ended up throwing two interceptions in that game. So it's all those little details, like if this doesn't happen, if you execute this play a little bit better, what could have happened? So we're in that mindset of what could have been? If we could have made it to the Super Bowl, being the team that everybody doubted coming into the year, being the team that nobody thought was going to win, so-and-so game.

• 27:04Speaker 04

  But like you said, man, coming into playoffs, the expectations were low for us. People didn't even think we were going to make it there. But as a team, we knew, like I said before, how good we were. We had a lot of really good pieces. And once we started clicking towards the end of the season, man, we were rolling. So yeah, that was a tough game. But yeah, halftime, those conversations were, let's go finish this game and we're on a roll to the Super Bowl.

• 27:25Ryan Clark?

  Obviously, quarterbacks get a lot of the praise when a team does well. But they definitely have to accept a lot of accountability when your team loses. You mentioned throwing those two interceptions in that game. Obviously, the last one, well, both to Dre Greenlaw, but obviously, the last one to Dre Greenlaw, getting outside of the pocket, trying to make a play, which is the thing we all pointed to when you were leaving Utah State. He can make off-platform throws. He knows how to improvise. He can create second-chance plays. I know quarterbacks think differently. You guys kind of go through, okay, what could I have done differently? What could I do moving forward so that this doesn't happen? How much have you thought about those interceptions?

• 28:09Ryan Clark?

  How much have you thought about those last 30 minutes of the season to motivate you going forward?

• 28:16Speaker 04

  A lot. You know, those are the plays you go back and watch and like you said, you just think, what could I have done differently to make this a better play? To not have this interception. So I've watched that clip a good amount of times. Obviously makes you sick going back and watching those plays like that. But yeah, like you said, it's that just knowing when to make those plays and when to, you know, cross that fine line of doing too much and doing enough to make a play. So just understanding, you know, that a lesson I learned in college, you don't have to be Superman out there. You don't have to try and make every play. And that's one thing I did a little bit too much in college was trying to make those Superman throws and extend every play. And you know, in your head, you're like, okay, yeah, this is a completion. I'm gonna get it right there to that guy and then throw it.

• 29:01Speaker 04

  And nah, these guys are, they're fast in the NFL. They're gonna recover on that ball and pick it. So just that fine line of understanding when to, you know, try and make those heroic plays and put the team on your back and when to throw it away to, you know, live to fight another down, things like that.

• 29:17Speaker 00

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• 29:46Ryan Clark?

  How hard is that when you're extremely talented though? Like there, you know, like I knew there was a box of things I could do. And then there was a whole hell of a lot outside of those boxes I couldn't, right? And I sort of just stayed in my lane. And I was like, as long as I stay in this lane, they probably won't fire me, right? It's different for you because you're drafted in the first round because you have a skill set that says you should be. And not only that, for three years, you've watched someone with an extremely large bag of tools as well, make some of those off-platform throws, do some things that truly aren't necessarily coached. So with having that extreme level of talent, how difficult is you to sort of rein yourself in for some things and some habits

• 30:28Ryan Clark?

  you may have built being at Utah State and being the best player on the field many times?

• 30:32Speaker 04

  I mean, that's very hard. It's one of those things that I've been working on since I got to the NFL because, you know, coming out of college, that was the biggest question mark was, you know, is he going to be a guy throwing the ball all over the field and doing too much out there, which I did my last year at Utah State. But, you know, that's that fine line of me and Matt talk about all the time is, you know, going through your reads and, okay, can I make this throw? Is it too tight or just finding that check down? And that's the lesson I've had to learn is, you know, check downs are not bad and they get you those positive yards, get the ball moving. And then, like I said before, there are times where you gotta, you know, fit the ball in there, make those tight window throws. But like you said, being able to watch A-Rod and, you know, see the crazy

• 31:13Speaker 04

  plays he made, but also the smart plays he made of, you know, kind of calculating those risks and knowing when to, you know, take those risks and when not to was huge for me and my development, just to see a guy do it. Very talented, could make every throw on the field and make it look easy. And then just learning how to play the game and not be a game manager, but, you know.

• 31:36Ryan Clark?

  It's a bad word.

• 31:37Speaker 04

  I'm not even trying to say that.

• 31:40Speaker 04

  I ain't trying to say that. But, you know, that fine line, that fine line of just being a pro and, you know, making those good reads and finding ways to win those games.

• 31:49Ryan Clark?

  You now, obviously, extremely mature. You mentioned, you know, the passing of your father, sort of progressing that maturity forward. But, you know, now you're in a situation, you mentioned how amazing your mother is and, you know, having sisters. What has it been like to experience the highs of, you know, being drafted, but also fighting through the adversity and having them be a part of this process after knowing what it is like to lose someone close to you?

• 32:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, for me, I think that's the craziest part that I've experienced. For me, that's easy. You know, that's what I've been doing my whole life. You play the game, you win some, you lose some, and you gotta, you know, hear about it the next day. But obviously, I think for my friends and family, you know, me making the NFL and now they're seeing all this stuff on social media, you know, people talking crazy about me and they're the ones kind of getting affected by it. And they're like, they're always calling me, like, are you doing okay? Like... Just want to check on you, see how you're doing. I've seen stuff on social media, how they're talking about you. I just want to make sure you're not seeing all that. And I'm like, you know, this is just another day for me. Like, we've experienced harder things and, you know, people talking bad about me on social media. So, people that don't know me.

• 33:01Speaker 04

  So, I'm not ever going to get wrapped up in all that hype and let that affect my day. But it is tough, you know. You're not immune to it. You see some of the stuff people say. And for me, it's always, like I said earlier, trying to prove people wrong and take that and use that as fuel. But I think the craziest part is how my family is now.

• 33:20Ryan Clark?

  How hard do they get, though? Because I know, like, my people like to fight. You know what I mean? Like, they...

• 33:25Channing Crowder?

  Oh, Lord, they some pit bulls or whatever.

• 33:27Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, like, when my people see it, like, they still want to fight now. You know what I mean? Like, Tiki Barber can't ever go to Louisiana. You know? Like, I already know. Like, I ain't even got to deal with it. You know what I mean? So, for you, because it didn't too, right? It's always trying to, like, manage their emotions. Because you're kind of even-kill. You could deal with it. You understand it's part of the program. But you know, like, when your people hot and they start telling you about it, it actually starts to piss you off. Right? Because it might be something you haven't even seen.

• 33:58Channing Crowder?

  Bernie Mac said it. Be yourself. If people don't like you for being yourself, then fuck them. And that's what it is. Like, that's the way I live. I think that's the way your dad lives. You know, Ryan responds to a lot of people. But, yeah, man, be yourself. Like, you can not... You have to be yourself because everybody else is taking.

• 34:18Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, but I think the... I guess my point in asking the question is, it's not... A lot of times, when you're being attacked as a player, it's not about being yourself. Like, it's not about the person a lot of times. It's about what you do for a living, right? The thing that you've poured your entire life into to have an opportunity to do. You're playing a kid's game for King's ransom, and you're doing all that you can. And then people are constantly criticizing. People are constantly scrutinizing. And when your family members hear it or your friends hear it, it affects them differently because they know that you're doing all of those things in order to earn this. And so, I think...

• 35:00Ryan Clark?

  So, that was always hard for me to navigate because there were things I didn't want to hear that you had to. In Green Bay, bro, like I play there. The stadium just pops up in the neighborhood, right? You know, we, now Pittsburgh wasn't gonna always put you up in the best hotel, but we were usually in nice hotels. Like, we were in the joint, I remember walking, like, the door opened and you was outside. You know what I mean?

• 35:25Channing Crowder?

  It was a motel.

• 35:26Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, it didn't have a hall.

• 35:29Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, I was at the motel.

• 35:30Ryan Clark?

  And sort of being the only show in town, do you look at that and say to yourself, this is great? Like, I know if I play well, everybody's gonna love it, everybody's gonna support us, support us, this is what they do on Sundays and Thursdays and Monday nights? Or do you look at that as added pressure, knowing what the history of that position has been in that organization?

• 35:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think what you said at first, just how great of an experience it is being in Green Bay, and like you said, everybody in Green Bay is a Packer fan. They love Packers, they love football, and, you know, that's what they got out there. There's not too much going on, that's what they have. So, I think it makes it all that much more special. Like you said, when you're winning, they love you. And that's sports in general, when you're losing, you know, the love might not be there. So, but the pressure side, I try not to add too much pressure. We already have enough pressure as it is to perform and be who we are. So, I never will let, you know, a city or the fans or what's going on outside of ball try and affect me, because there's already pressure to perform.

• 36:39Speaker 04

  And, I mean, that's my job right now, is to perform. And it's a performance-based job we talk about. So, if you're not doing that, you ain't gotta worry about the fans, you know? You gotta worry about...

• 36:48Ryan Clark?

  Your job.

• 36:49Speaker 04

  Your job, yeah. So, I think it's all great.

• 36:52Ryan Clark?

  My frat brother plays on your team?

• 36:54Speaker 04

  Who's that?

• 36:54Ryan Clark?

  He plays corner.

• 36:56Channing Crowder?

  Kappa, he's a Kappa.

• 36:58Speaker 04

  John Money?

• 36:58Ryan Clark?

  What's wrong with Jair, man?

• 37:01Channing Crowder?

  They spin the little canes around the hand and they twist their booties.

• 37:05Ryan Clark?

  Nope, nobody does...

• 37:07Channing Crowder?

  That's what y'all do, y'all twitch y'all booties.

• 37:09Ryan Clark?

  It's the shoulders, it's nothing to do with that.

• 37:11Speaker 04

  Shimmy.

• 37:12Ryan Clark?

  Whatever. Bro, what is wrong with Jair, man? He ran up on the lady... And she was like, this Green Bay fan thinks that they have a chance. You know what I mean? My dog ran out, he was at the coin toss because he felt like he was in his hometown. And being in his hometown, he should be a captain. Right? And he wasn't phased by it, he was very honest about why he went out there. What's up with Ja here, man?

• 37:40Speaker 04

  Man, that's Ja. That is Ja. When you talk about, you know, be who you are, that's who Ja is. He is a, to say the least, he's a character. And you never really know what you're going to get out of Ja. It's always a very interesting conversation that keeps you on your toes. But, man, I love Ja. Everybody on the team loves Ja. And yeah, the news reporter, just the little things he does. You never know what he's going to do next. So, but obviously you see what type of player he is on the field, man. He's a phenomenal player. So I can't say enough good things about him.

• 38:13Fred Taylor?

  Aaron Rodgers. That was the night he suffered, the Monday night game, he suffered his Achilles tear. What was your initial thoughts and reaction when you saw that play?

• 38:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, that was tough, man. I was watching there, the game, I was glued in. I was excited to see, obviously, what Aaron was going to do over there with the Jets, man. I think a lot of people were excited to see, you know, I've been watching them on Hard Knocks. And just excited to see it. And then, man, for him to go down that quick and that early, it was tough. I didn't, obviously, didn't know what was going on at first when he was getting up and going to the sideline. And, man, I was just hoping all the best for him, hoping it wasn't anything too serious. But, man, that was tough.

• 38:53Fred Taylor?

  We've talked a lot about your maturation, your patience, your maturation, turning into the player who you are now. And learning behind Aaron. What's like the number one takeaway that you would be able to share with us that you learned from him?

• 39:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, the biggest thing I always say I saw from him was the consistency, day in and day out. You know, that was my first taste when I got to the NFL. You know, you think in college you're a good player, things like that. And you get to the NFL, I was able to see this dude. Be great every day in practice. Make like as many crazy throws you see him making in the game, he's making 10 times crazier plays in practice and you know, every ball is on the money. You know, and it's not just the throws, it's the protections, the reads he does and everything does, you know, quarterback specific was was very consistent in his approach throughout the week. So I think that was the biggest lesson I learned from him is just trying to be as consistent as I can every day because I was my rookie year, I was all over the place, you know,

• 39:51Speaker 04

  wild throws and bad reads and I said, man, if I can just get consistently good every day and almost, you know, do what I see him doing, that would make me a better player. But yeah, just the consistency.

• 40:04Fred Taylor?

  Green Bay, we know the legend, we know the mystique, like it's all football. The fans are shareholders of the of the team. When you were drafted that night, and I know you're familiar with the Lambo leap and all that, when I my first time playing in Green Bay, I thought the Lambo leap like I had to jump this high. That fucking shit.

• 40:24Speaker 04

  No, it's up there. Uh huh. No, no, no.

• 40:27Fred Taylor?

  It's about waist, a little bit more than waist high. Right? It's a little fence, right?

• 40:30Speaker 04

  I don't know about all that. It's up there.

• 40:33Fred Taylor?

  It ain't like that.

• 40:34Speaker 04

  It's a big leap. Jay Jay, you gotta get up there, bro.

• 40:36Fred Taylor?

  It's kinda like right here.

• 40:37Speaker 04

  No, yeah.

• 40:38Fred Taylor?

  All right. So a little, little Green Bay trivia, right? Do you know who started the Lambo leap?

• 40:42Speaker 04

  Leroy Butler.

• 40:43Fred Taylor?

  But Leroy Butler.

• 40:45Ryan Clark?

  Not a Hall of Famer.

• 40:46Speaker 04

  Come on, man.

• 40:47Fred Taylor?

  Duval, my guy Leroy.

• 40:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, Leroy is great people. He's still, you know, he's out there at practices. He keeps in contact with all the players, man. He's a great dude.

• 41:25Ryan Clark?

  We talked about the Dallas Cowboys, y'all broke them, right? After y'all played, they can't figure out that there's a season that needs to be played in 2024. One team that does understand that there's a season to be played is the Green Bay Packers. You go out, you get Josh Jacobs, you guys bring over Xavier McKinney at safety. Like, this is the team that's saying, "All right, we want to go out and win." You know, you've cleared cap space, losing one of the great ones, but, you know, David Bakhtiari had been injured. When you think about this upcoming year, you know, what you were able to do, Wicks, Dobbs, I mean, just Reed, like, all the different players who made plays. Now you got Josh in the backfield. How excited are you for this upcoming season, being a second-year starter and knowing that

• 42:10Ryan Clark?

  you're playing for an organization that believes now because of their quarterback, now because of their head coach, they can win now?

• 42:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's a great feeling, man. We're all very hungry for this upcoming year, but, like you said, man, the confidence from, you know, top to bottom is there. You know, the organization believes that, you know, it's the perfect time to have a chance to win a Super Bowl this year. And those conversations we had after that 49ers game were, man, like, work harder, try and find ways to get better, because next year, we're going to do it. Ain't it, there's no more, "We're a young team," there's no more of those what-ifs. Like, people know what we're about now, and, obviously, you know, we'll have that target on our back, people are going to want to beat us. So, you know, we're hungry. I know everybody in that locker room is hungry and ready to get back, and, obviously, we added some key pieces with Josh Jacobs and Xavier McKinney. So, I'm excited. We're going to have some more pieces coming in with the draft, but I'm excited for me

• 43:01Speaker 04

  to be able to take that next step, year two, for a lot of the series we have, to, you know, those rookies that we had last year, to be able to take that next step in year two, because I know just how much experience you gain from having that one, that first offseason to work and grow as a player, and now you know that playbook coming in, and you're not trying to learn it. So, we're all very excited, but we got a great squad, and...

• 43:24Ryan Clark?

  Y'all still kind of the underdogs though, Joe. Like the Green Bay Packers have been the king of the North.

• 43:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 43:29Ryan Clark?

  For as long as we could possibly remember. The Minnesota Vikings, two years ago, have an excellent year. Green Bay is knocked out of the playoffs late by the Detroit Lions. Detroit Lions now win the North. You guys come and play very, very well down the stretch. But I don't know if going into the season, people are going to be looking at y'all and saying, "Okay, this is the team to beat in the division." What do you feel like you guys have to do to regain that, right? So y'all could get back to when Aaron was telling folks he owned the organization when he was playing against NFC North teams.

• 44:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, you just gotta go win it, right? That's obviously, you know, he left, people left and, and, you know, people said, "We were, you know, not that team in the NFC anymore." And, you know, they weren't worried about us. But I think the only way to get that, that title back is to go win it. And so, you know, that's what we've got plans on doing this year.

• 44:26Channing Crowder?

  Hey, man, hold it down for the light skins.

• 44:29Speaker 04

  I'm always holding it down.

• 44:30Channing Crowder?

  You always hold it down for us, bro. We taking over now. Don't sleep on us.

• 44:34Ryan Clark?

  You guys are not.

• 44:36Channing Crowder?

  Hey, man, you gotta learn how to cross his big ass legs.

• 44:39Speaker 04

  I gotta do a little bit, there we go.

• 44:42Channing Crowder?

  That's a light skin pose.

• 44:43Ryan Clark?

  I'm telling you what, he crossed his leg, he crossed his leg ball like mine. He might don't need to just, just sit like that, man.

• 44:49Fred Taylor?

  Since we're talking quarterbacks in NFC North, you're without two quarterbacks in the division. Kirk Cousins is now in Atlanta and Justin Fields is now in Pittsburgh. How excited are you for Justin to have an opportunity to, you know, show people exactly what he can do under the terms of good coach and Coach Tomlin, all those different things?

• 45:11Speaker 04

  Man, I'm very excited for Justin. Obviously, since he's got to the league, we've been, you know, linking up in the offseason, doing different things, working out together. So, you know, our relationship has grown. But, man, I think more than anything, just getting a fresh situation, you know, and like I've said, now he gets a chance to go continue to prove people wrong who've doubted him and, and said he isn't this and he isn't that. So I'm excited for him and just a fresh opportunity, man, you know, be able to go and, you know, take over a new team. So I'm happy for him.

• 45:41Fred Taylor?

  I think, I think what's important is he has an opportunity now to. Kind of see what it looks like to learn some things under, you know, a veteran player at his position because when he was drafted, he was just thrown into the fire and Chicago hadn't got right since. The multiple coaches, the offense coordinators, like it's just been a disaster. So, he's lacked that consistency. Now, he's at a situation where he has a veteran quarterback to compete with. We don't know what's gonna happen. Only Coach Tomlin knows and maybe RC can give us a little bit more insight, having played in Pittsburgh. But I think for me, I think the benefit will, being able to get there and having that veteran

• 46:22Fred Taylor?

  that can show him, much like Aaron showed you, and also having a coach like Coach Tomlin, who knows how to get the best out of players.

• 46:30Ryan Clark?

  The bottom line is, man, there's only 32 spots for all of y'all.

• 46:34Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 46:35Ryan Clark?

  And what Justin Fields being traded to the Pittsburgh Steelers says to me, is it's very difficult to not only earn those spots, but keep those spots. And, you know, what you were able to do in your first year as a starter definitely showed that you belonged. The way you finished the season showed that you could be a part of an elite tier. We always ask this question, and you know, you're a young man, so it's gonna be other pivots in your life, but we always ask, like, what was the biggest pivot in your journey? The moment that you always point to that happened, that either changed your life, changed your direction, taught you something, took something from you, that allowed you to be where you are today?

• 47:17Speaker 04

  I would say, I mean, we've already talked about it, but just my dad passed away, man. That has been my biggest battle throughout life and something that I definitely think has shaped me, shaped my childhood, and it changed the way I look at life. You know, I think that was definitely the biggest pivot in my life is, you know, going through that adversity and, you know, just gave me that lesson that, you know, life's gonna keep going on. You know, things happen in life. And kind of that mindset that... It is what it is, control what you can control. Control, you know, how I keep moving on and handle every day going forward and you could sit in a room and, you know, cry about it all day long and that's not gonna help you.

• 48:01Speaker 04

  That's not gonna help you going forward. So I definitely think that was the biggest pivot in my life.

• 48:05Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I know for you all, obviously, the adverse reaction to medication was very difficult. Does it, is it harder to deal with because of the way it happened for you? Or is it just simple, because all of us, you know, if you lose a parent, it's difficult. But just not having some of those answers?

• 48:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, that was definitely the hardest part of it. Knowing that, you know, that wasn't my dad at the time, you know, it was, it was a different person, you know, the medication was messing with his mind and kind of altering that. So I definitely think that was the hardest part because you could say, you know, what if, what if this didn't happen? What if things didn't get changed? He'd still be here today. So that was definitely the hardest part, but that's that lesson I learned, man, you know? What can I do? It is what it is.

• 48:55Ryan Clark?

  Well, I mean, you are his, his dream personified, man. And I think you can always walk forward knowing that, you know, you handled the adversity. Like you said, your mother was there for you to push you. You had family there, but he'd obviously be extremely proud. But the people who are still here, I'm sure are proud of you as well. We appreciate your time, dawg.

• 49:16Speaker 04

  It's yours, man.

• 49:17Channing Crowder?

  You get manicures?

• 49:19Speaker 04

  He said what?

• 49:20Channing Crowder?

  You get manicures?

• 49:21Speaker 04

  Nah, man.

• 49:21Channing Crowder?

  Because your nails are fucking immaculate.

• 49:22Speaker 04

  Nah, my nails look good.

• 49:24Channing Crowder?

  Bro, your nails are shiny and shit.

• 49:25Speaker 04

  Man, nah, nah.

• 49:26Channing Crowder?

  Bro, you get manicures. Bro, nigga, you get manicures. Don't act crazy.

• 49:30Speaker 04

  Nah, I got my nails done. My toes though, I get a pedicure.

• 49:33Channing Crowder?

  You get a pedicure?

• 49:34Speaker 04

  I go, my girl get a pedicure.

• 49:35Channing Crowder?

  You don't get manicures?

• 49:36Speaker 04

  Hell nah.

• 49:37Channing Crowder?

  I was sitting there, boy, I'm like, damn, this nigga shit.

• 49:39Speaker 04

  My nails are just long, dirty.

• 49:40Channing Crowder?

  Man, them shit shiny!

• 49:43Channing Crowder?

  Them shit pink.

• 49:44Speaker 04

  I was taking showers, I get, I take, I take a good amount of showers, man.

• 49:48Channing Crowder?

  Them shit's a pink and beautiful. You was sitting there talking and putting your hand in the guy, I was like...

• 50:16Speaker 05

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