Money and Dating for a New Generation

Comedian Jared Freid sits down with Haley to discuss the economics of being a touring comic, how our approaches to money and dating have evolved from our parents' generation, the financial reason your situationship isn't ready to commit, and more. Run a business that takes appointments? Use code FINANCIAL at glossgenius.com/financialtea for 50% off your first two months of a premium plan. Financial Tea with Mrs. Dow Jones is a Sony Music Entertainment production. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts and follow us at @sonypodcasts To bring your brand to life in this podcast, email [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Haley Sacks?

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• 2:07Haley Sacks?

  So you put 100K of your own money into producing the special?

• 2:10Speaker 01

  Give or take, yes. My worst purchase of all time was the Kemosabe hat I bought in Aspen.

• 2:17Haley Sacks?

  How much was it? 500?

• 2:19Speaker 01

  You're, you're being too kind. Oh, like 1,200 bucks.

• 2:22Haley Sacks?

  Stop!

• 2:23Speaker 01

  Like crazy. I think maybe, no, 1,500. Being in a relationship is an act of delusion. You need to be delusional enough to believe that you and this person are a love that can last forever. I have sent the post-shooting text to someone I've had.

• 2:37Haley Sacks?

  You've sent the post-shooting text?

• 2:38Speaker 01

  It is crazy that that's, it says a lot about the times we're in.

• 2:43Haley Sacks?

  This is Financial Tea.

• 2:48Haley Sacks?

  What's up, sippers? Welcome back to the Financial Tea. This is the podcast where I teach you how to build wealth with a side of market drama, money scandals, and of course, financial pop culture. And today is a very exciting day in the studio because we have Jared Freed, comedian, podcaster, and Netflix star, because his new special, The Family Plan, is out. It's so good. I was truly dying laughing. I feel like it's made for millennials. It just really hits you where it hurts. And also my old neighbor, which I feel like we don't talk about enough.

• 3:23Speaker 01

  Yes, we lived, uh, Soho.

• 3:25Haley Sacks?

  No, Ludlow Street.

• 3:26Speaker 01

  Ludlow. Was that Soho? No, that's Lower East Side.

• 3:29Haley Sacks?

  Lower East Side.

• 3:30Speaker 01

  That's where it was. My one year on the Lower East Side. I loved it down there.

• 3:34Haley Sacks?

  So we always start with a few rapid fire questions. I think you're the first person I've ever heard say that getting the ick is only women get the ick, and it's not relatable to men. And so if we were going to take gender out of the equation, can you give us your biggest financial ick in dating and your biggest financial turn on?

• 3:53Speaker 01

  My financial ick would be a lack of passion.

• 3:57Haley Sacks?

  Oh, that's a good one.

• 3:59Speaker 01

  I like women with like careers and, and love their jobs and, you know, like, I never related to like the idea of a woman with like a great job intimidating a man. I never related to that. Lawyer, doctor, you know, my, my girlfriend, she's a wealth manager. Like, that's hot. I like, I like, I like a woman with passion and a career and just killing it. Like, that really turns me on.

• 4:25Haley Sacks?

  What is the most that you've ever spent on a date? Like, have you ever done like full, like, oh, Makase, send in the black car, like, here's your little bracelet?

• 4:35Speaker 01

  Never send a black car.

• 4:36Haley Sacks?

  Do you, are you like, what?

• 4:38Speaker 01

  I would send a woman home in a black car. That's, I think that's a, that's a fun touch to like a hookup.

• 4:45Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 4:45Speaker 01

  It's like, I got the Uber. But the, one time, I'll never forget it. I was going on a date with someone and my friend is like the restaurant guy. He knows all the restaurants.

• 4:58Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 4:58Speaker 01

  And he was like, you gotta go to this place in the West Village. It's like highly rated, all this. And I didn't even look it up. I just like went. And I took this girl, it was like, literally like a first date. And it was so embarrassing. I, the name escapes me. It's a...

• 5:12Haley Sacks?

  Tell me about it, I'll maybe...

• 5:14Speaker 01

  It was a Swedish fancy place in the West Village, like deep in the West Village. And I remember, I remember sitting down and being like, this does not match what we're doing on a first date. Like, this should have been drinks. And I...

• 5:28Haley Sacks?

  We're having tiny meatballs.

• 5:29Speaker 01

  It should be something shareable. And this was like, you know, silver platter in front of you, silver platter in front of me. Voila, dinner is served. And I was like, I am so embarrassed. And I remember I went to my friend who's married and he knows all the restaurants. And I was like, why would you send me there? Because the only thing I saw on the menu was they had a pretzel. And he goes, what did you think? I would send you to a restaurant with a pretzel on a hook? Like you're at a Dave and Buster's? I'm like, yes! That's where you send someone who's going on a first or second date. Like, this was like early date and I felt, I felt so weird.

• 6:02Haley Sacks?

  No one eats on the first, like, you don't eat for the first three months. That's what Cardi B says.

• 6:05Speaker 01

  I would eat. I, I'm eating. I, I, I would be, I want a girl eating on those first three months. What would we relate on? What would we talk about?

• 6:13Haley Sacks?

  Okay. And then what is the best and worst purchase you've made this week? And how much did each cost? Because I know that you've been going all around town, you're promoting a special.

• 6:22Speaker 01

  The best purchase would probably be the $5 posies that, like, it's like, you know, those like little white flowers in the, when you walk into Trader Joe's?

• 6:36Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 6:37Speaker 01

  When you walk into Trader Joe's, they have that flower stand. There's one little tiny thing, five bucks. If you're a guy who's in a relationship, I don't think for dating this will work, because for dating, it looks like you're trying to pull a grift. But if you're a guy who's in a relationship, you're committed with someone, and you say, I'm going to Trader Joe's, and you come home with that $5 little pansy white, you know, fluffy, fluffy things. That $5 gets you so much mileage as a good boyfriend.

• 7:10Haley Sacks?

  The great ROI.

• 7:12Speaker 01

  No better ROI than the $5, whatever that $5 flower at the front of Trader Joe's is, if you come home with it, if you bring it back, oh, I got the, the shrimp crisps and the, and the salsa and the, the chips. Ah, and, oh, look at that. I remember, here are some posies. They're gonna react as if you brought back the head of a lion to your cave and you have done the greatest thing on earth. So that's the best purchase.

• 7:39Haley Sacks?

  And do you have a worst purchase?

• 7:40Speaker 01

  The worst purchase this week?

• 7:46Speaker 01

  My worst purchase of all time was the Kemosabe hat I bought in Aspen.

• 7:51Haley Sacks?

  No, we need to, let's like dig into that a little, because the Kemosabe of it all, like, they really, that is a grift, where they're like, you're in Aspen, you need to buy, how much was it? 500?

• 8:01Speaker 01

  You're, you're being too kind. It's, the Kemosabe experience is...

• 8:08Haley Sacks?

  By the way, there's like pictures of Rihanna meeting Jeff Bezos at Kemosabe, like, it is...

• 8:13Speaker 01

  And he's on a horse.

• 8:14Haley Sacks?

  Yes, it's like the place.

• 8:15Speaker 01

  He's on a horse. Like, I'm not even like, he's, you can find this picture. Jeff Bezos walks into Kemosabe on a horse. Here's the thing about Kemosabe. It is, you have to treat it as if you are walking into a used car dealership. Because the women working there are all like pretty and cute. And they're like, want a shot? And then you're like, yeah, why wouldn't I want a shot? And they have shots ready made. It's a Carlos and Charlie's. They do a shot ski, you're taking a shot ski. And I remember walking in and being like, there is no way I am ever gonna walk out of here, New Yorker with a stupid cowboy hat on my head. And then I took one shot, the girl put a beer in my hand, and she goes, just put it on. And I put it on, I go, ahhhh. And

• 8:59Speaker 01

  she's like, it isn't bad. They even know how to talk to you to make you feel good, because they'll go, hi, you know?

• 9:06Haley Sacks?

  I don't hate it.

• 9:07Speaker 01

  They go, yeah, I don't hate it. I didn't think it would work. And you're like, I don't know, I'm not gonna be that guy. And then they go, try the other one. And by the end of that experience, you know, it's like, I've always said this about massage, massage places.

• 9:22Haley Sacks?

  Oh, I love a massage place.

• 9:23Speaker 01

  Love a massage place, but all a masseuse has to do to make me feel like it was worth the money is to whisper in my ear, boy, you really needed this.

• 9:33Haley Sacks?

  Yes. Oh, my gosh, 100%.

• 9:35Speaker 01

  To give you...

• 9:36Haley Sacks?

  Yes. You were really tight.

• 9:38Speaker 01

  You, you don't.

• 9:39Haley Sacks?

  You were, yes, they need to give you like the little, like the something at the end.

• 9:43Speaker 01

  The rationalization. They need to like...

• 9:44Haley Sacks?

  I even do it at like a juice bar place if I don't feel well. I'm like, what's good for the flu? And they're like, oh, this is gonna cure you.

• 9:51Speaker 01

  All they have to do, one, like, one touch of helping you rationalize. And it's like, that gets you the bigger tip, that gets me the better experience of coming back. I would actually go into a massage parlor and not get a massage, and then just have them go, you look tight. And then I would walk out and I would feel better.

• 10:09Haley Sacks?

  And then you walk out.

• 10:10Speaker 01

  I would pay 20 bucks for that.

• 10:11Haley Sacks?

  Five dollars.

• 10:12Speaker 01

  So they do that at Kemosabe. They do the, you know.

• 10:16Haley Sacks?

  They liquored you up?

• 10:17Speaker 01

  They liquor you up. They put the hat on your head. They go, ah, they go, I didn't think it would work, but like, it's not bad. And then they put another one on you and they go, no.

• 10:26Haley Sacks?

  Oh.

• 10:26Speaker 01

  No, you can't wear that. That's crazy. And then they put another one on. By the end of it, you're going, do I get rabbit or beaver?

• 10:33Haley Sacks?

  And do I need both?

• 10:34Speaker 01

  Right. Well, then you start going, rabbit doesn't last as long. So it's a better purchase to get the beaver because that will last you longer. And I do want to have this hat.

• 10:45Haley Sacks?

  Forever.

• 10:46Speaker 01

  At my wedding and my retirement party. So I will, this is a lifetime purchase.

• 10:49Haley Sacks?

  And it's something I'll be wearing every day.

• 10:51Speaker 01

  Yeah. It was the dumbest use of money, but again, it's those Aspen, it's the air and Aspen.

• 10:56Haley Sacks?

  The Aspen air.

• 10:57Speaker 01

  Right.

• 10:58Haley Sacks?

  Wait, so how much was the hat?

• 10:59Speaker 01

  Oh, like 1,200 bucks.

• 11:00Haley Sacks?

  Stop.

• 11:01Speaker 01

  Like crazy money. I think maybe, no, 1,500.

• 11:03Haley Sacks?

  Where is it now?

• 11:05Speaker 01

  1,500. Because then you start putting the accoutrements. You put the belts.

• 11:10Haley Sacks?

  It's like getting a crock with all the gibbets.

• 11:12Speaker 01

  Yeah. Oh, yeah. You gotta get, you can't just get a hat. Now you gotta get the, the gator belt around it. And you gotta get the feather and that comes free. So whoa, we're getting it for free. I gotta do it. Then A, we'll put some, we'll burn some letters underneath the, you know, the cabin and it's for free. You go free? Why not?

• 11:28Haley Sacks?

  Oh.

• 11:28Speaker 01

  You got a couple beers and a couple shots in you and you're like, listen, I'm an Aspen baby.

• 11:33Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 11:34Speaker 01

  And that's, that's the problem with any vacation mindset is like, I'm never gonna be back here.

• 11:40Haley Sacks?

  But let's go back to your special because something that I actually found it to be really rooted in finances. Obviously family plan. It's about being on your family phone plan, but also even within the special, you talk about, you know, how we're the first millennials are the first generation to earn less than their parents. And so it puts us in the position where we are reliant on them and.

• 12:05Speaker 01

  In some way or form. I don't think, I think some way or form, you're more reliant on your parents than maybe your parents were reliant on their parents.

• 12:13Haley Sacks?

  Yes, exactly.

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• 13:04Haley Sacks?

  With this like grim reality that millennials are the first generations who are gonna do material worse than our parents. How do you think that affects our dating lives? Because you know, there's a lot of data now that, you know, dating is so much harder than when our parents were young. The rate of single adults has been climbing. So I'm just curious if you think there's a tie to that?

• 13:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course. You know, there's a thing called the hope index, I think. Hope index in the US is like very low. I don't know the number. I, but I'm referencing something like, I don't think we live in hopeful times.

• 13:36Haley Sacks?

  No.

• 13:37Speaker 01

  So if you don't believe that your career track is taking you towards the ability to have the things in life that you'd like, it's way better to live as a renter in everything than it is to live as a buyer who's stuck in something that maybe they wouldn't be able to afford in the future.

• 13:56Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 13:56Speaker 01

  And being in a relationship is a version of buying. So.

• 13:59Haley Sacks?

  So interesting. I love that.

• 14:00Speaker 01

  Right. That's why millennials, like, you know, we do a lot of blaming everyone for like, oh, we can't buy homes. But a lot of that is our own like fear.

• 14:08Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 14:09Speaker 01

  Of ability to earn later in life. And you know, the boomers aren't exactly retiring. They're working forever. So again, you're now being held, Gen X, you know, millennial being held in kind of one space with no upward trajectory really in sight. I could understand how, why, you know, how hard it would be to say.

• 14:30Haley Sacks?

  Does it make you feel confident?

• 14:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. And, and being in a relationship is an act of delusion. You need to be delusional enough to believe that you and this person are a love that can last forever. And, you know.

• 14:42Haley Sacks?

  So interesting. It's so true. Do you feel like that with your girlfriend?

• 14:46Speaker 01

  Oh, I feel that way with everyone I've dated. That you need a good mix of logic and delusion to be in a relationship or to be single. You kind of have, and I, I think as I was single later in life, I got more logical and less delusional and more.

• 15:01Haley Sacks?

  How did that look? Like what did, how did that materialize?

• 15:03Speaker 01

  Well, because you go, I'm not gonna dive in with someone to let them down in the future. Because the odds of us being something real is very low. Why, it hasn't worked before. Why would it work now? You know, and you become safer. You become safer not to hurt other people in the way you've hurt people in the past. Because maybe you dated someone like for my case, I was someone who ended relationships. So I would be in positions where I'd end things before the next step. So the ending before the next.

• 15:31Haley Sacks?

  You knew this is not gonna go anywhere. I don't want to disappoint them.

• 15:34Speaker 01

  I wasn't a delusional enough about.

• 15:36Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 15:36Speaker 01

  The, the relationship itself to push through to the next level. And that's a, that's a measure of logics that, you know, of going, ah, you know what? You know, I can just, there's way less asked of me as a single person. There's not a lot of asked of you as a single person. It's, it's expensive today, but cheaper in the long run.

• 15:59Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, it's very expensive to be single, but also like you buy a lot of freedom.

• 16:05Speaker 01

  Right. Well, it's cheaper emotionally.

• 16:06Haley Sacks?

  You have so much cheaper emotionally. You know, I think something that's similar between us and our work is that we've both had a lot of takes and opinions on dating over the years. Obviously mine about finances, but yours about, you know, interpersonal dynamics. And I shared a lot of those while I was single. You did too. And now you're in a relationship. I'm in a relationship too. And do you feel like any of your advice, are you confronting it for the first time? And do you feel like it's, you know, actually holding up?

• 16:34Speaker 01

  I never like, I tried my best to not to stay away from like telling people what to do. I would always tell people what I felt in the moment. So like, you know, for me in a relationship, I'm, I'm not really faced with my advice as much as I'm faced with new emotional spaces.

• 16:50Haley Sacks?

  Oh, interesting.

• 16:51Speaker 01

  You know, I'm more faced with like, oh, this feels good to be in a relationship with a shared this or someone. It feels, you know, oh my God, I gotta, you know, when I talk on a podcast or do my material, how I care for someone else and how I, you know, think about that, you know, how I put that out there. That's all stuff that like is new to me and like worth acknowledging.

• 17:12Haley Sacks?

  And you know, there is such a jump from when you're dating someone to when you are in a relationship. And I feel like you really feel it financially because there's, you know, when you're dating someone, maybe you're taking them out to dinner. And like you're, you said it's a cute touch at the end of the day to send them home in a black car, all those things. But then as you, relationships become more realistic and it does become, you know, you're actually splitting groceries. Maybe you're splitting rent. Like it's almost more industrial. And so can we talk about how you see that transition happening in relationships with finances? And do you have any feelings about how you can make it smoother? Cause I feel like it can be difficult.

• 17:48Speaker 01

  I definitely difficult because money's so emotional.

• 17:50Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 17:51Speaker 01

  I, I like, my kind of going policy has been to just be curious. You know, like when you do coaching, like I'm sure it's a lot of questions.

• 18:02Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, it is.

• 18:02Speaker 01

  You know, like you have to know everyone's financial position is different, their ability and to save and to spend and how they feel about saving and spending. So like, I think there's a lot of questions. Like I, I just like our, our first question was like, I was like, how much are you paying in rent? Like that was like a little bit of an easier thing because it kind of got the ball rolling. But like, just understanding like, you know, everyone has so many insecurities around money. You know, again, like who's on the family plan? No one answers. Like that's an insecurity. That's, I don't know what that is, but I think questions, curiosity, be curious. That's my, my policy.

• 18:42Haley Sacks?

  That's really good advice. I think that's such a great way into these money conversations that are so difficult versus being like, hey, we need to talk about this thing, being like, oh, like, how do you feel about this?

• 18:54Speaker 01

  Right. And it doesn't have to be just numbers. It's just feelings, you know, like the numbers, you know, they can be tough because and the other thing is some people just don't know their numbers and are embarrassed. They don't know those numbers.

• 19:05Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 19:05Speaker 01

  Like they get embarrassed. So how much you spend on groceries a month?

• 19:08Haley Sacks?

  I have no idea.

• 19:09Speaker 01

  Is it a Trader Joe's month? Is it a Whole Foods month? I just think it's like worth acknowledging how emotional is and how tough it is. Like.

• 19:14Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 19:15Speaker 01

  You know, college.

• 19:16Haley Sacks?

  That's really good advice.

• 19:17Speaker 01

  You know, college debt, like that's an emotional thing. You know, talk about generationally, like if you're, you have college debt for a degree you're not really using. Like there's just like so many, there's so much to this.

• 19:28Haley Sacks?

  Credit card debt for a credit card that you got pushed into getting maybe at that first fair in college. Like just all these things because it's such a, it's an industry that definitely benefits off of people's ignorance. So.

• 19:40Speaker 01

  Right.

• 19:41Haley Sacks?

  And it's never taught. Um, okay. But back to the special. You self-produced it. So you put 100K of your own money into producing the special.

• 19:50Speaker 01

  Give or take. Yes.

• 19:50Haley Sacks?

  Yeah. So how'd you decide to make that investment? I know it took a long time from concept to actually getting it out. Like walk us through this. Cause I would love to know how much a comedian actually makes from an episode.

• 20:03Speaker 01

  Well, my, you could, there's two ways to have a special. It either gets leased, or it gets, uh, it gets, you make it and then they lease it from you for two years, which is the deal I have, which is 220,000. Um, I also made a, a deal with Betches to be the co-producer so that they would promote it. So.

• 20:21Haley Sacks?

  That's so smart.

• 20:22Speaker 01

  Well, it was, the thinking was at a minimum, Betches would pu- push out wherever it went. And maybe that would help me to sell it. Maybe that would help me just in general, it wouldn't get seen by nobody, just off of my ability to go on podcasts. So it was really an act of insecurity as far as like, well, if no one buys this, what's the bottom? What can I assume the bottom to be? And the bottom being that Betch is a huge media company that I love, being somewhere that could promote it to their fans that are, are already have a relationship with me. So, but then that means giving them like 50% of the, of the, of what's left of the 220.

• 21:06Speaker 01

  But also, you know, you gotta hire PR people, you gotta hire, um, you know, the, the, there's other costs. I go to LA, I come to New York, I live in Delray Beach. So, you know, as far as the money from the special, that's it for me. Like, it's not really, the special to me was a way to find new people. Like, I want people to watch an hour of me and go, I gotta go see him live. You know, it's kinda like the music model. Come see me live as opposed to buying the album. Like, let me put it out on Netflix on a huge platform, hopefully it catches fire. And I'm proud of it. I guess like the advice to anyone who's doing stand-up and producing their own special is you better be able to like, uh, be proud of it. Like, I, you know, every comedian knows the jokes that work 100% of the time and the ones that work 50% of the time.

• 21:52Speaker 01

  If you have a, a special that you're like, eh, I, you know, maybe it's not worth putting that much money into it.

• 21:58Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, oh yeah.

• 21:59Speaker 01

  Uh, you have to be real with yourself.

• 22:00Haley Sacks?

  You have to like do your diligence on the investment. Like, oh, if I'm gonna put a hundred K into this thing, is it actually, that's, that's how I feel about the S and P 500. Cause it's like, you know, 100% of the time, if you keep your money in for 20 years, you're gonna make money.

• 22:12Speaker 01

  Right, but you gotta have the, you know, you have to have the, um, the risk tolerance.

• 22:18Haley Sacks?

  Totally, and the timeframe.

• 22:20Speaker 01

  Right.

• 22:21Haley Sacks?

  You have to be able to say goodbye to the 100K for that period.

• 22:24Speaker 01

  And see the 100K to go down to 80K in the first day and then go, I'll be fine.

• 22:29Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 22:30Speaker 01

  Um, and that's the same with the special. I have to be able to see, you know, the, the, the bottom is Betches putting out my YouTube special and going, I'll be fine. You know, because I believe in the material so much that if anyone watches it, they're gonna go, I gotta see more of this guy.

• 22:43Haley Sacks?

  Mm-hmm, there you go. It is, I saw it. Um, okay, so I think that you being a comedian, it's sort of this black box, like the financial reality of it. So I would love for you to talk through for our listeners, some of the ways that you make money. Obviously, you're super successful now, you have your Netflix special, you tour, you have your podcast, you work with Betches. But let's go back a little bit. Um, you know, what was the lifestyle and financial reality when you were building and starting out? And where are you at sort of now?

• 23:16Speaker 01

  I mean, the reality was that, you know, you start, to me, I considered it grad school. Like, I, I'm lucky enough where I was like, I can spend, you know, I was working doing life insurance, annuities, financial planning stuff for like four years, three or four years. And I was like, this isn't for me. And I was like, I can, you know, it was kind of the 25, 26 where everyone's like, you know, you have that friend that's going to law school.

• 23:46Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 23:47Speaker 01

  And you have to be fighting, you know, the friend that went to law school is probably doing like, doing okay, has a good, you know, backing of family too.

• 24:00Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 24:00Speaker 01

  So I had like, li- literally like bar mitzvah savings in my bank account where I was like, okay, this would've gone towards going to grad school.

• 24:10Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 24:10Speaker 01

  Or in some way or form. And I was like, let me put this towards taking classes and getting good at comedy, like sketch writing. Um, I'll go to.

• 24:20Haley Sacks?

  Did you UCB?

• 24:22Speaker 01

  I did sketch writing at UCB, which was that, at the time, it was like tough to get in their improv class. I did Chicago City Limits for improv. I did, uh, storytelling with a guy named Adam Wade, who's like a fantastic storyteller, unbelievable.

• 24:37Haley Sacks?

  So even then you invest in your human capital. You were like, I'm gonna put money towards building my skills here. I've got some natural talent and I'm going to refine it and learn how to do this really well.

• 24:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, I wanted to get good at it.

• 24:49Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 24:49Speaker 01

  And I went to open mics every night and, you know, the reality of it was like, I was very lucky that I could do it in a way that was like very much like, I'm gonna go 100% all day long on this. So like, you know, that was really the reality then. And then like, I was looking for really any opportunity I could get. Like, you know, as far as like ways to be funny for money, whether it was shows or like, you know, there were like weird opportunities would come up where you can write tweets for a celebrity.

• 25:19Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 25:20Speaker 01

  You know, I would write tweets for guys that, you know, that wanted to be funny at their, you know, whatever charity tournament and get stuff like that. So really figuring out, but also knowing like what my day-to-day was. Like, I knew what it took me, uh, on a monthly to live. And I was like, and then I, you know, over time, you're like, okay, what are ways to get myself out there? And then podcasting, at the time, it really wasn't a place to make money, like as ads are concerned. It was really a way to talk directly to fans and I wasn't really getting cast in anything. So I was like, here's a way that I can like put my word out there. And then I can also write and put myself on, like I would put myself on diff- I would send like material to like places to put my name out there. Oh, you can follow Jared Freeman, the social media started getting more and more.

• 26:05Speaker 01

  So that was really the beginning of like, do, and then starting the podcast, I went to like, I remember total frat move was like posting my stuff. And I was like, they had a million Twitter followers and I was like, hey, do you guys wanna? I went and met with them when I was on a bachelor party in Austin. And I was like, do you guys wanna like do a podcast? And they were like, what's a podcast? I was like, perfect.

• 26:27Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 26:28Speaker 01

  And then I was like, you promote it, I'll find a production place and then I'll, you know, I'll host it. And so we started that and we were like really teaching that audience about podcasting.

• 26:37Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 26:38Speaker 01

  And then I always said, I was like, if women just got into podcasting, I think I have a show that women would like. Cause we were doing dating advice and then that's how I met Betches because I started like sending them tweets and things that they could post and just really looking to get out there and hoping for someone to go, whoa, this guy's writing is really good, we'll get him involved with this, or oh, you submit for this show. That never really happened more, what happened was the world kinda came to me.

• 27:04Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 27:05Speaker 01

  People started doing ads on podcasts, you know, I was doing this yelling at The Bachelor.

• 27:11Haley Sacks?

  Oh, that was great, love that.

• 27:12Speaker 01

  That was getting attention where people were like watching my stories as if it was a show I was putting on. So like, that's kind of the way it worked out.

• 27:19Haley Sacks?

  Quite entrepreneurial though, like where you did sort of build it and then they came. Where you're like, okay, you got an audience, I'll do the podcast thing, like let's go.

• 27:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's all entrepreneurial. I think comics are like the hardest working people that people think don't work hard at all.

• 27:32Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, no, you work so hard. Um, but you know, going back to this, you're talking about finding your audience and how you thought, you know, women were interested in dating. How did you sort of break into that being your niche? Cause you do it in a way that's so relatable to audiences.

• 27:50Speaker 01

  I was just doing what I do and the idea that women would like what I do was like kind of a surprise. Um, but I've always gotten along with, you know, just like the debate. Like, I've always had women come to me for dating talk in general. And then the show worked better when Betches came on, you know, I would have them as guests. And they were like, we like a podcast, we, we, we wanna start one of these. And I hooked them up with producers to like help them start theirs. And then when they called me in, they're like, hey, let's do a show where we do the male female point of view. And that's how you upstarted.

• 28:22Haley Sacks?

  I wanna get back to dating, cause we all love your takes on that. So what sort of money realities have surprised you when you've been out on the field?

• 28:30Speaker 01

  I, I think for me, it was always hard to date someone, you know, I think it was way harder to date someone who was young with money.

• 28:40Haley Sacks?

  Oh, interesting.

• 28:41Speaker 01

  I think like when someone's young and comes from money, I think that was always like a more difficult dating scenario because, you know, that would put a rush on kind of what I was doing. And I couldn't kind of provide that way. I noticed that like when I was dating around, you know, I'm doing comedy, I'm like 27, 28. And then around that age, you know.

• 29:11Speaker 01

  I think that's like, when you're twenty seven, twenty eight, I've always believed you can always cancel on a twenty five year old woman, or a thirty four year old woman. Cause they're like, thank God. So twenty five year old woman, she's like, I'll go hang with my friend.

• 29:27Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 29:27Speaker 01

  I got a whole group.

• 29:28Haley Sacks?

  The thirty four year old's like, I'll take a bath.

• 29:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, totally. You can't, you will, I, I, you will rue the day you cancel on a twenty nine year old woman. Because she's faced with like, a whole group where

• 29:43Speaker 01

  people, especially when you're dating and you're taking it seriously, like, you got the ones that are starting to get married and engaged, and you got the ones that are getting left behind. You're like, I don't want to be the left behind one. I want to be the married, engaged one. And it was always tough for me because I could see that when I was dating someone around that age, or that I was around that age especially, because I was, I wasn't dating, you know, younger or whatever, I was dating my age and they, you could see that like, I was like, I can't do the next financial step and feel comfortable about where my life is.

• 30:15Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 30:16Speaker 01

  And I think that gets underrated. I think that gets vilified on the male side and, you know, I do think men want, you know.

• 30:24Haley Sacks?

  They want to provide?

• 30:26Speaker 01

  They want to feel like they are valuable. I think everyone wants to feel valuable. And I think,

• 30:34Speaker 01

  you know, part of what makes a man feel valuable is the ability to do the next thing and be running towards the next step. And I always wanted that. I wanted to like sprint towards the next step. And, and women find indecision horribly unattractive. So the, oh, you know, what do you want to do?

• 30:54Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 30:54Speaker 01

  I don't know. I can't commit. Like, that's all not hot to a woman. So for me, it was always like, I could always just feel that. And I think with people who were like, used to a certain lifestyle, I think they were also not willing to go through the, the grind of it all.

• 31:17Haley Sacks?

  Do you think that they, would you have felt comfortable with a woman supporting you though? Like if you had met a, like one of those young girls with money?

• 31:25Speaker 01

  No, because then, you know, what do they say about dating a rich person? Date someone with money.

• 31:33Haley Sacks?

  It's the most expensive thing you'll ever, yeah.

• 31:35Speaker 01

  You'll pay every day of your life. Yeah, yeah. I, I never wanted to be in that situation. And some people do. Some people go,

• 31:39Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 31:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'd rather have two houses.

• 31:43Haley Sacks?

  I have a friend like that.

• 31:44Speaker 01

  Right.

• 31:44Haley Sacks?

  She's like, looking for it. And I celebrate it. I'm like, okay, you know what you want.

• 31:49Speaker 01

  Right. I think, I, I don't know if a man would be celebrated as hard, because he'd be like, well, what is this guy doing?

• 31:56Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 31:56Speaker 01

  You know, well, he doesn't work? He's a comedian who hasn't had anything happen for him?

• 32:01Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 32:02Speaker 01

  You know, like, it's like, not a great look. And, and not a great feeling, too. I, I wanted to feel fulfilled.

• 32:07Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 32:08Speaker 01

  Filled, you know?

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• 33:04Haley Sacks?

  So you say though, that maybe like something that holds people back from taking the next step in relationships is financial readiness, especially when you're a man, but I feel like that's never the reason that's given when you're broken up with. It's always like, something else. And so, do you think that?

• 33:20Speaker 01

  You don't think they give that reason as a?

• 33:22Haley Sacks?

  Have you, have you broken up with a girl and been like, it's because I'm not rich enough yet?

• 33:25Speaker 01

  I would think it's like, I'm not ready.

• 33:27Haley Sacks?

  I'm not, and no, but I'm saying like, that's so.

• 33:29Speaker 01

  I think that's like what a guy's saying when he's saying he's not ready.

• 33:32Haley Sacks?

  You, oh, interesting.

• 33:33Speaker 01

  I think that would be, right? How long have you been with your boyfriend?

• 33:38Haley Sacks?

  Uh, for five months.

• 33:39Speaker 01

  Five months?

• 33:40Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 33:40Speaker 01

  How did you guys meet?

• 33:41Haley Sacks?

  Unhinged.

• 33:42Speaker 01

  Unhinged?

• 33:43Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 33:43Speaker 01

  What does he do?

• 33:44Haley Sacks?

  He works in finance.

• 33:45Speaker 01

  Works in finance. Could you see yourself dating someone that didn't work in finance?

• 33:48Haley Sacks?

  I mean, I've dated comedians. I've dated like so many different kinds. I, like, I dated people who I thought were interesting, which then led me towards people who were often broke.

• 34:00Speaker 01

  Well, that's the thing, you laugh. But that's so funny. But that's funny that like, you know, you're asking, they never say it upfront, that they weren't financially ready to, you know, be ready for that. But like, you, like, you would be a tough person to date in that scenario?

• 34:18Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, I know. I think it was definitely intimidating for a lot of guys, like, also because there's this idea that maybe if you date Mrs. Dow Jones, you have to be super rich.

• 34:27Speaker 01

  Right. But also Mrs. Dow Jones goes to the Hamptons.

• 34:30Haley Sacks?

  I don't know about the Hampton.

• 34:31Speaker 01

  House in Martha's Vineyard.

• 34:32Haley Sacks?

  Family, though.

• 34:33Speaker 01

  Family money.

• 34:34Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 34:34Speaker 01

  Got to keep up. You've seen, you're not going to live a lifestyle, I would, it would be tough to believe that your lifestyle is going to be any lower than your parents while dating you.

• 34:43Haley Sacks?

  But.

• 34:44Speaker 01

  Went to summer camp?

• 34:45Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, no, no.

• 34:45Speaker 01

  I'm saying all these things like,

• 34:47Haley Sacks?

  Private school, all these.

• 34:48Speaker 01

  Private school.

• 34:48Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 34:49Speaker 01

  So like, all the, you, like,

• 34:50Haley Sacks?

  Vacations.

• 34:51Speaker 01

  Right. So it's like, I think like, from the perspective of like,

• 34:54Haley Sacks?

  No, it's a big pill to swallow. You gotta want to go there. But I also think that what's different is that I will put my own oxygen mask on first. Like, I've never looked to someone, ever gone on a date and been like, great, this is who's going to pay for it. I'm like, how am I going to pay for it?

• 35:09Speaker 01

  Right. But you've also had like the backing of, like, I just think like, that's also in, like, it's a cause and effect thing. Like, you had the money so you can be more confident about money.

• 35:22Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 35:23Speaker 01

  So like, I, I think if, like, I just think like, the idea of like, why don't men get in front of whether they're, I think a lot of men believe they could be in a date, in a relationship. Like, they're like, I think it gets, it's easy to be like, well, he said he wanted to be in a relationship, then all of a sudden he doesn't. No, now, he doesn't want to be in a relationship with you. You know, we dated, we saw each other, it was great. Now I'm being face to face with the reality of stepping into this future. The reality of stepping into this future is finding out that, oh my God, I gotta date someone who has all these things going on that I don't think I can keep up with.

• 36:02Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 36:03Speaker 01

  You know, and I don't think I can keep up with the track that's laid in front of me while also, again, you dated comedians.

• 36:10Haley Sacks?

  No, I did. I remember I was dating this guy who lived in Bushwick with like three roommates, and we went to the bodega, and I got a Pellegrino. And he like, thought it was the craziest thing in the world. Like, and it was, I didn't.

• 36:22Speaker 01

  That factors in.

• 36:23Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 36:24Speaker 01

  You getting the Pellegrino, not a big deal.

• 36:26Haley Sacks?

  Not a big deal.

• 36:27Speaker 01

  Not a big deal in the scheme of life.

• 36:30Haley Sacks?

  No.

• 36:30Speaker 01

  But it is a personality.

• 36:31Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, it's like, oh shit, like, there was a difference in our, yeah, how we spent money.

• 36:36Speaker 01

  Right. If he looks at a Pellegrino and goes, oh my God, that's like a different life.

• 36:40Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 36:40Speaker 01

  You know, so, I think that's.

• 36:42Haley Sacks?

  That's a bridge to a new world.

• 36:44Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 36:44Haley Sacks?

  So first you drink the Pellegrino, then you're in the Hamptons. Next thing you know, you slip and you slide, you're in Kemosabe.

• 36:50Speaker 01

  Well, next thing you know, you're not, you, you're being told, why are you being a comedian? It's not working out.

• 36:55Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, you need to go get a, a job where you can put money, put meat on the table.

• 36:59Speaker 01

  What are you doing? And you lose kind of the ownership over your own life.

• 37:04Haley Sacks?

  I'm sure you felt this dating a bit, where it's like you have a big digital footprint, where you talk a lot about dating.

• 37:09Speaker 01

  Right.

• 37:09Haley Sacks?

  So, what did that impact?

• 37:12Speaker 01

  It made it harder to like, go to the next level with someone because I have to talk honestly about my life. And I think what would happen was, I'd date someone and it'd get to a point where I wasn't ready to jump through the next step, but I was still dating someone. And you go on a podcast and you talk about your dating life, it would feel like I was lying to someone.

• 37:36Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 37:36Speaker 01

  Even though we were like, on the same page, we commu, it doesn't matter how much you're communicating with someone. Hey, you and I were in this space and I'm not ready for the next thing. And they're like, no, I'm cool. I, I, I'd just like to know that you're off the apps. And oh yeah, I'm off the apps. And then you go on a podcast and you're like, yeah, so single life, and now you're like, I, I would feel badly. It would, it would make my stomach turn. So it was hard for me to find the timing of it all, to get someone to go to the next, to be ready.

• 38:05Haley Sacks?

  How did you know with your partner now? Like, I, I feel like it was impacted a little bit too by, you clearly are attracted to her ambition and like her stability.

• 38:15Speaker 01

  She and I dated years ago.

• 38:18Haley Sacks?

  Oh, wow.

• 38:19Speaker 01

  And then I had to end it because I just wasn't there. And I, you know.

• 38:23Haley Sacks?

  How old were you when you guys dated?

• 38:25Speaker 01

  Thirty seven.

• 38:27Haley Sacks?

  Oh, wow.

• 38:27Speaker 01

  Thirty, no, thirty eight. Thirty eight, and then I was just, I wanted to be there. I wanted to have the confidence to go to the next step, but I just didn't have it. I said to her, you know, and then, we didn't talk for two and a half years.

• 38:40Haley Sacks?

  So now that your career is in a, like, this, like, awesome place, now, is that where you got the confidence from? Like, where?

• 38:47Speaker 01

  I think it was more assessing what I wanted from life. I spent two and a half years, we didn't talk. We were, it wasn't, you know, she, I, I wrote a book, the,

• 38:58Haley Sacks?

  The Red Flags.

• 38:59Speaker 01

  Walking Red Flag. The book was not telling you how to date, it was getting you inside the mind of the red flag you might be dating.

• 39:07Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 39:07Speaker 01

  And why can't it give you answers? What, so it was being, it was a vulnerable storytelling book where I'm like, here's how I felt in this scenario. And a few of those stories were about us, her and I, and was looking back at it. So.

• 39:23Speaker 01

  I had been thinking about her and then she ended up reaching out to me and I was like, I was like literally debating whether I would text her or not.

• 39:31Haley Sacks?

  That's so interesting to share.

• 39:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I, I like to think that it's, uh, like, I think the messiness of our story is beautiful. Like, I, I think it's what makes it interesting. I think it's what, it's worth telling because, you know, I, I'm really, uh, I really have a lot of, uh, I'm thankful that she had, you know, the, the confidence that I didn't. You know, a lot of people look at texting someone they used to date as like a negative, or maybe they could say it is and, you know, they'd sound like a smart person, but like, I think trying is the most admirable thing of all. So as far as relationships are concerned, as far as putting out a special and paying for it.

• 40:14Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 40:15Speaker 01

  If it didn't work out, at least I tried, you know, and, you know, I put a lot of effort into everything I do and then.

• 40:23Haley Sacks?

  The coolest thing in the world is to try.

• 40:26Speaker 01

  I, I.

• 40:27Haley Sacks?

  And to like, and to totally eat shit and take the risk that that might happen is the coolest thing in the world. Like being apathetic is really, uh, it will lead to depression, I think.

• 40:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, yeah, well, you gotta, yeah.

• 40:38Haley Sacks?

  I will say the weirdest texts I've ever sent to an ex is I had a ex who worked at Blackstone and they had the shooter that came there and I was like, fuck, like, do I text him? Like, that's really scary. And I was like, I think I asked ChatGPT, like, how do I text my ex who, like, there was a active shooter in his office building?

• 41:01Haley Sacks?

  We did not get back together. I think he was like, yeah, it was really scary. Like, thanks for reaching out.

• 41:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think that's like an adult. Like, like, you were worried about him. It's okay. You can worry about someone you don't want to get back together with.

• 41:13Haley Sacks?

  I'm like, just so it's clear, like, this is not like a getting back together text. Just want to make sure you're cool. Like.

• 41:19Speaker 01

  I have sent the post-shooting text.

• 41:21Haley Sacks?

  No, you haven't.

• 41:22Speaker 01

  To someone I've had a.

• 41:22Haley Sacks?

  They've sent the post-shooting text.

• 41:24Speaker 01

  It is crazy that that's, it's, it says a lot about the times.

• 41:28Speaker 01

  But it is crazy to me.

• 41:31Speaker 01

  There was, I don't want to.

• 41:32Haley Sacks?

  Or no, not who, but like, what was the shoot, like, what was the shooting?

• 41:34Speaker 01

  It was just a tragedy. I don't, it was horrible. I was, but I, it's crazy that I relate to that. Cause I, I texted someone that I had been on dates with and was like, I just want to make sure, like.

• 41:48Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, you, you.

• 41:48Speaker 01

  And you do, it, it's crazy because this is the humanity of it. Like, this is where, like, a lot of my dating, you know, if I'm to be accused of anything, it's to be too empathetic to the villain.

• 41:58Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 41:59Speaker 01

  Not the villain in the shooting. That's, I'm not empathetic to them. I'm saying to my own, like, to what you're saying of like, what do I send the text to someone?

• 42:09Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 42:09Speaker 01

  Where you're thinking of yourself and you're like, I don't want to seem this way, but also there was a huge fucking tragedy that happened. But that's everybody. You know, like, I think that's a more human thing that the, the losers in the comment section will, they'll go, what a.

• 42:28Haley Sacks?

  Oh, he's so.

• 42:29Speaker 01

  Thinking about yourself when it comes to the shooting or, you know, or whatever, like, it's, but that is a real life. That's why I love hearing real stories where I go.

• 42:40Haley Sacks?

  Well, cause the dating is so weird. Cause you got really close to someone and then you're supposed to just be like, never talk to them again. And if you do talk to them again, then you're desperate. And it's like, you don't know if they want to talk to you again.

• 42:50Speaker 01

  Totally. And our parents' generation, it was more of a straight line from dating to relationship to marriage to babies to house, where we have these kind of zigzag routes. So it's like, you know, the situation ship is a product of an extra four years, the age of first marriage versus a, a decade ago is four years older. That's a huge number.

• 43:10Haley Sacks?

  It's huge.

• 43:11Speaker 01

  To jump. So you go, what do you do with that? You gotta fuck.

• 43:14Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 43:15Speaker 01

  So you're gonna have, you're gonna have a lot of weird conversations. So, you know, on that subject.

• 43:19Haley Sacks?

  You're gonna have a trail of girls who might be involved in a shooting that you.

• 43:23Speaker 01

  That you have to be like, hey, I am worried about you. I hope you're okay, but I also don't want to get back together with you.

• 43:28Haley Sacks?

  Yeah. Here's a picture of me and my new girlfriend. By the way, you good girl.

• 43:32Speaker 01

  Right. It's crazy. Like, it's crazy. That's why this conversation is a bone to be chewed on. You know, like I, it is a worthwhile conversation because, but it's, it's funny how it gets shouted down. Like, that story is like, very funny to me.

• 43:47Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, it's so funny. I also love, but I think that something that you do so well is you give us a purview into that male vulnerability and like thoughtfulness, because so much of the, uh, what's talked about with men with dating is like, oh, like he doesn't care or like, there's no feelings or just, you know, and like you, you make it so human.

• 44:08Speaker 01

  Well, also.

• 44:08Haley Sacks?

  And even the stuff that you said about money, I found so human where it's like, you know, men should admit that, like where it's.

• 44:14Speaker 01

  I appreciate that, but also we're in a world of punch up, punch down. I mean, you play the algorithm game.

• 44:21Haley Sacks?

  Oh, yeah. When you talked about those extremes, I'm like, I should be more extreme, but it's scary. I'm not that extreme of a person. Like, I, I actually am logical.

• 44:29Speaker 01

  But also like you're, a lot of your stuff is like, women are dealing with this. You're playing the women game.

• 44:34Haley Sacks?

  Oh.

• 44:35Speaker 01

  So like.

• 44:36Haley Sacks?

  I'm so excited about the Lululemon divorce because they have no prenup, which is like, how messed up is that? That's where my brain rot is. Yeah. The guy who founded Lululemon is getting divorced and there's no prenup. And I'm like, great. Content gold.

• 44:48Speaker 01

  I mean, and people hate him.

• 44:49Haley Sacks?

  They hate him. He is, the microplastics, it's rotting our vaginas.

• 44:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, but he also, he also said, um, but even that.

• 44:56Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 44:57Speaker 01

  You're going.

• 44:57Haley Sacks?

  I'm doing it. Clip it. Rotting the vagina.

• 44:59Speaker 01

  Rotting vaginas. He's killing women.

• 45:01Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, he's killing women and he has no, I hope that she takes him for all he's worth.

• 45:05Speaker 01

  He's also said that women with like bigger bodies shouldn't wear his clothing. Like, that's like, to me, that's the most horrific thing you could say.

• 45:12Haley Sacks?

  That's the worst part. Yeah, yeah. Not the PFAs. It's about the sizes.

• 45:15Speaker 01

  I didn't even know about that. So like, I, I don't know. I, I'm okay with giving.

• 45:19Haley Sacks?

  You're so right.

• 45:20Speaker 01

  But I don't, I think a lot of men are in a position of power dating, you know, because they're not rushing.

• 45:26Haley Sacks?

  That's so true.

• 45:27Speaker 01

  So, so.

• 45:28Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, there's no rushing.

• 45:28Speaker 01

  The power dynamic of like a guy not rushing and like, that is acknowledged. But I, I think that's also why a lot of women get pushed into woo-woo scenarios and don't hear from a lot of men, because it's not worth it.

• 45:41Haley Sacks?

  What do you mean woo-woo?

• 45:42Speaker 01

  I think men online, if they are, all you hear from online about men with dating generally are just angry men.

• 45:49Haley Sacks?

  Or you got like those coaches who are like, uh, like, if he does this, then like ladies, like he'll never talk to you again. And like.

• 45:58Speaker 01

  It's all just grifty shit. I, I just.

• 46:01Haley Sacks?

  But when you're in one of those anxious situation ships, you eat it up because it hits you right where it hurts.

• 46:07Speaker 01

  Scratching the itch.

• 46:07Haley Sacks?

  Yeah. Well, I'm really glad that we were able to relate on texting an ex about a shooting and I really feel like we landed on something there. We got there at the end. Um, and Jared, you are amazing. I'm so really love your special.

• 46:23Speaker 01

  Thank you so much.

• 46:23Haley Sacks?

  If you guys want, just like something to watch that's going to make you laugh. It's so smart.

• 46:28Speaker 01

  Watch with your parents.

• 46:29Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, watch with your parents. Your parents are in it.

• 46:31Speaker 01

  They're in it. My parents are in it.

• 46:32Haley Sacks?

  Everyone is, all these millennials, they're using their parents for money. You're actually putting your parents to work and that's a beautiful thing.

• 46:39Speaker 01

  Let them work for me. That's right.

• 46:40Haley Sacks?

  There you go. We're flipping the coin.

• 46:42Speaker 01

  Thank you for having me. It was great.

• 46:43Haley Sacks?

  Don't forget to like this episode, subscribe to the show, rate, review. It helps us so much. We'll see you next week, sippers. Stay rich.