The Underbelly of Luxury Travel Planning w/ Olivia Ferney

Haley is joined by elite travel agent Olivia Ferney (aka @travelwithlivii) to discuss the most expensive trips she's planned, the wildest requests she's received, and what she's learned from her ultra-wealthy clients. Financial Tea with Mrs. Dow Jones is a Sony Music Entertainment production. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts and follow us at @sonypodcasts To bring your brand to life in this podcast, email [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Haley Sacks?

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• 2:06Speaker 01

  The experience market is kabooming. I mean, Super Bowl is our Super Bowl. If you want to pay to put a steak on a private jet, like, we can do it. It's a huge waste of money, in my opinion, but no problem, we'll get it done. I'll be out and these guys will come up to me and be like, hey, I want to be a client. I'm like, you probably can't afford it. Love you. I love telling them that you can't afford it. It's fantastic. And then they, I've had a couple of guys just pull out their bank account and be like, I'm good. Like, stop, what's, what, it's the number.

• 2:32Haley Sacks?

  Great. You, like, always 50 mil plus.

• 2:36Haley Sacks?

  This is Financial Tea.

• 2:41Haley Sacks?

  What's up, sippers? Welcome back to Financial Tea. This is a podcast where I teach you how to build wealth with the side of market drama, money scandals, and of course, financial pop culture. And before we get into anything today, because we have a really good episode, I just want to remind you to rate, review, subscribe. It helps the show so much. And we'd love to hear from you. I read all your comments. So leave me something. Today, we have someone very exciting in the chair who honestly, like, I can't believe that she's even here IRL because she's usually pimping all over the world. It's crazy that you are in Dumbo right now.

• 3:13Speaker 01

  That's fair.

• 3:13Haley Sacks?

  We have got Olivia Ferny in the house. You've definitely seen her content. She is a luxury travel agent, content creator. She goes by Travel With Livy. And she just, every day, going viral for these videos where she's talking to ultra wealthy clients about, you know, their travel demands. She's seen it all. So today, I wanted to have her on the show just to learn more about what she does, get the tea on the crazy things that you've seen, get your tips, because I feel like you have really good tips about travel. And maybe you have some for us people traveling on a budget. You're like, no. You could also say pass on that. But Olivia, welcome to Financial Tea.

• 3:54Speaker 01

  Thank you for having me. I'm so excited to be here.

• 3:56Haley Sacks?

  I'm so excited to have you. I, you know, we are both Time 100 creators, so so we're going to be reunited tonight as well.

• 4:04Speaker 01

  Looking fabulous.

• 4:05Haley Sacks?

  Before we jump in, we always do some rapid fire. So ready. What were your best and worst purchases of the week so far? And how much did each cost?

• 4:12Speaker 01

  Oh, my goodness. Well, I mean, as a group, we spent $266,000 on bottle service with a client like 72 hours ago, setting a Guinness World Record for the largest bottle service presentation in Vegas. So that was probably like the company largest spend, although it wasn't even through the company. It was just something we were a part of. Personally, I, I mean, I flew out my whole team to come see that, just because I felt like they had to be there. It was such a monumental moment for our entire team. So

• 4:42Haley Sacks?

  How big is your team?

• 4:43Speaker 01

  Uh, 10 of us.

• 4:43Haley Sacks?

  Wow, full time?

• 4:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. So we brought everybody in, everybody came to watch. And we had also just people outside of the team as well. We had like management, just people like friends and family. Everybody was there. We had a couple of clients. So hotel rooms, dinners, flights, that was a little bit expensive, but

• 4:59Haley Sacks?

  Well, you needed people there to drink all the champagne.

• 5:01Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 5:02Haley Sacks?

  Yes. Did you finish all of it?

• 5:03Speaker 01

  There were no open, no full bottles left. So it was all gone.

• 5:08Haley Sacks?

  How was the hangover?

• 5:09Speaker 01

  Horrific, but we're fine. Worst purchase of the week, honestly, New York City Ubers.

• 5:15Haley Sacks?

  I know.

• 5:15Speaker 01

  Suck.

• 5:16Haley Sacks?

  You just got here, like, you were like, why does it take an hour to get everywhere?

• 5:18Speaker 01

  Why does it take an hour to get everywhere?

• 5:21Haley Sacks?

  I feel like your next endeavor is going to be like a helicopter.

• 5:24Speaker 01

  Helicopter, drop lift, everywhere. Yeah, I will pay $1,000 to go anywhere. That's fine. Just drop me where I need to go. Can't sit in traffic.

• 5:31Haley Sacks?

  Yes, the traffic is horrible.

• 5:32Speaker 01

  It's insane.

• 5:33Haley Sacks?

  You learn how to make the car like your office, though. What is the most expensive trip you've ever planned? And how did that cost break down?

• 5:39Speaker 01

  I cannot go over the most expensive ones I've had. I can tell you they're in the many, many millions. I am NDA'd like crazy for those trips, so I can't break them down per se. But last week, for example, we had a million dollar yacht charter. And that was just the charter. And then to get there, that particular client owns his own plane. So that cost was not included. But if you were to charter to there, that would be 200,000 to 300,000 minimum, up to a million plus, depending on what plane you're getting. And then, of course, dinners every night, South of France, you're looking at probably $5,000 to $15,000 minimum. And then another 40 to 75, $100,000 plus for bottle service, usually every night because they're going out as well. So very easily, that becomes like a 1.5 plus plus trip.

• 6:21Haley Sacks?

  That's for how many people?

• 6:22Speaker 01

  That was, I think, eight of them.

• 6:24Haley Sacks?

  I just am seeing so many, like, celebrities are obsessed with going on yachts, right? Like, I just saw Jennifer Aniston is on a yacht in Mallorca, you know, Selena Gomez is on a yacht. They're all on freaking yacht charters. And so, but I was looking up the economics of it because like my financial brain was cooking and I was like, what's going on? And it is like 500K to a million dollars a week, right?

• 6:44Speaker 01

  It's a fortune. It is a fortune. Like, that was a beautiful boat, but some of the big, like, Jeff Bezos style boats, you're looking at millions of dollars before like APA and all these other fees. So like, your flat rate for a boat, you also have to pay about a 30% charge for gas, for food, for provisions, like all that stuff.

• 7:01Haley Sacks?

  And then the tip is also huge, right?

• 7:03Speaker 01

  Oh, huge tip. I mean, you can be an a-hole and not tip, but you know, you should be a good guy in that industry because it'll get around really quickly. So you have to tip really well.

• 7:13Haley Sacks?

  And we've all seen Below Deck. That's a big part of it. So Olivia, for my listeners who aren't familiar with your content, can you just explain what it is that you do? Because you're a content creator, but you have a business. And like, talk us through the whole Olivia empire.

• 7:27Speaker 01

  So many moving pieces nowadays. I mean, it really started, so we can dive into this a little bit more as we go through. But when I met Troy Arnold, who's now my amazing fiance, he had this spectacular business. We met in an event, I hate talking about this, called model volleyball.

• 7:43Haley Sacks?

  You were a model?

• 7:43Speaker 01

  I was not. Troy likes to say he was. He also was not. We were, it's like, models play volleyball on the beach and you pay for bottle service around to watch them play bad volleyball for like 19 hours straight and you get wasted. So Miami. But it was really fun at the time. I was drunk. Troy came up to me and then we slowly started getting to know each other. But that was like the original meet cute, I guess. But when he told me about his business, I was like, I just can't help but get involved in everybody's business, apparently. I have a background in digital marketing, so he had no marketing whatsoever on any front. I felt like it was being done wrong a lot on social media. So I started to experiment a little bit. And of course, we hit the ground running. Within a month, we had like 400,000 followers. Within

• 8:27Speaker 01

  eight months, we had a million and plus. And our whole lives have changed. Now, as all of that was happening, I was getting really, really, just like aware of what was going on in the business. I was becoming a salesperson for the company. I was becoming a marketing person for the company. I was becoming a travel agent, all at the same time, and educating like crazy and learning what it's like to work with this level of clientele. And then while the social media was blowing up, of course, our client base started exploding. And then we had to expand really, really quickly.

• 8:53Haley Sacks?

  The thing I think is really interesting about the ultra wealthy is that, you know, as dupe culture has become so prevalent, like, you can, you don't need diamonds, you can get a lab diamond, or you can get any bag from China, or you know what I mean? Like, what they, the new currency is experiences, because that's something that cannot be replicated. But more with your clients who are legitimately wealthy, like, if you've seen that difference for them, because there is like a peacocking to that echelon of person. And so instead of being like, hey, look at my new watch, that's $750,000, it's more like, I just went to this part of Africa that no one's been

• 9:35Haley Sacks?

  in, except for like, you know, the people who, you know, have lived there for thousands of years. And like, we were airdropped in by Olivia Ferny and like, you know, we had caviar with like, whatever, you know, I don't know.

• 9:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, I would say we've seen a huge influx over the last like year and a half, two years. It's always been a thing, but now that COVID is completely wiped out, obviously, there was a little bit of a dip there. The experience market is kabooming. Oh my gosh. So we really hone in. I mean, Super Bowl is our Super Bowl. Like, the private suites, the hotel rooms, we buy millions of dollars of inventory just to have access for our clients. That they can get the best suite when they're a couple of weeks out and they find out their team is going, or when all the suites are sold out at the arena, and then we can get them the suite. So yeah, it's definitely, I mean, F1s, tennis events, golf, anything that people can actually go to has become very high in demand.

• 10:25Haley Sacks?

  Because you go to these dinner parties or whatever, and you're like, that's what you want to talk about. You know, it's

• 10:30Speaker 01

  That's the flex.

• 10:31Haley Sacks?

  It's a social currency, for sure. This is the Financial Tea, so we always ask for the numbers. So how does it break down? Like, what is your salary? What does your commission look like? You know, how does that work?

• 10:44Speaker 01

  So we actually don't take traditional travel agent commissions. Those usually look like 10% across the board. Anybody that's going to become a travel agent, whether you're, you know, low tier or top tier. And for us, we charge $100,000 for the year flat, and that's just to get access to our team.

• 11:00Haley Sacks?

  Oh, smart. So it's a subscription service?

• 11:02Speaker 01

  Yes. So it's a yearly subscription. We'll call it a membership.

• 11:05Haley Sacks?

  And do you also do reservations? Because like, I have a billionaire friend in New York, who, and there's obviously, New York, it's so hard to get reservations. And she's like, oh, want to go to Corner Store tomorrow? Want to go to like, the 86? Like, and she pays for one of these? And it's just like, they got you in wherever? That you can do that too?

• 11:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 11:21Haley Sacks?

  Okay, I need your number.

• 11:23Haley Sacks?

  Do you do it for friends?

• 11:24Speaker 01

  Only, only special friends. Of course, always text me. Um, so yeah, we, we pay a hundred, it's a hundred thousand dollars for the year is the model. And then usually we have a minimum spend of like 1.5 million for the year.

• 11:35Haley Sacks?

  Whoa.

• 11:35Speaker 01

  None of our clients ever come close to that. Usually it's way above. Um, you know, we're looking at four to five mill a year minimum, especially for bigger families. They, I mean, as I just said, we had a yacht charter that was a million dollars last week. So that's, that's one trip. If you just take three or four of those throughout the year. And then our service actually becomes very cheap for those clients and we're also saving them a ton of money. When it comes to jets, that is the biggest waste of money. I, I see a lot of people, a lot of like, our clients will spend with other people and that's why they come over to us. If that makes any sense.

• 12:04Haley Sacks?

  And even for the ultra rich, it's like, you're still looking for value.

• 12:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:08Haley Sacks?

  You know what I mean?

• 12:09Speaker 01

  Of course. Yeah. Everybody should. I think you'd be stupid just to be throwing out money like.

• 12:13Haley Sacks?

  A hundred percent.

• 12:14Speaker 01

  And why, what is, isn't there some insane statistic about people that win the lottery? It's like 70% of them blow it within the first year.

• 12:20Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 12:20Speaker 01

  You have to be smart to keep your money, no matter how much you have.

• 12:23Haley Sacks?

  And that's what I always say when people, I, I always give advice when there, I say, if you're gonna win the lottery, keep your mouth shut. Got a good lawyer. Don't tell anyone. Claim it under an anonymous name.

• 12:32Speaker 01

  It really should be like legally, um, you should have to get a financial advisor.

• 12:36Haley Sacks?

  Yeah. And a lawyer.

• 12:38Speaker 01

  And a lawyer.

• 12:38Haley Sacks?

  Yeah. You need, and don't tell anyone because it's also like for these clients, like if I'm Jeff Bezos and I'm negotiating something, I'm automatically gonna charge Jeff Bezos. Like if he comes to my lemonade stand, I'm like, oh, the lemonade, that's forty dollars. Yeah, it's gonna be forty, more like 400, like, sorry, inflation is crazy these days, Jeff. But it's like, you know, if you, Olivia comes to me and says, it's a client, he wants lemonade. Okay, four, four dollars. You know, so it's good. So you own the business with your husband or with your fiance? And so you, how many clients do you, like, how big is the business, I guess, instead of, because you're all gonna tell me the salary. So how big is the business?

• 13:14Speaker 01

  Yeah. So right now, we always keep our concierge plus group under 50. So even if we, when we fill up, we will take people away, or not take them away, we'll wait and see if they wanna. So far, we just started the concierge plus membership eight months ago, I think eight or nine months ago.

• 13:28Haley Sacks?

  So that's the 100K.

• 13:29Speaker 01

  Yes, that's the 100K and we're just, we're keeping it. Yeah, we're keeping it really, really tight for now. I mean, we'll see over the next couple of years, but we are quality over quantity right now.

• 13:38Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 13:38Speaker 01

  I do not want a bazillion clients. Not everybody is the right client. We say no to people all the time. And it's kind of nice having a waitlist of people.

• 13:45Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, that is, that's cheap.

• 13:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:47Haley Sacks?

  So that's one revenue. Where are the other revenue streams for you?

• 13:50Speaker 01

  So we do also do corporate stuff outside. Um, so we are helping like large corporations with large hotel blocks. Um, some of those are huge bookings. So we try not to say no to those. We do have a separate team that handles all that stuff. Obviously there is only so many hours of the day. So myself and like our higher level team and Troy are dealing with our concierge plus members. And then we have another team that helps with, you know, the big buyouts are doing massive activations.

• 14:13Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 14:14Speaker 01

  Which are really fun and good for content as well.

• 14:16Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 14:16Speaker 01

  And then of course, there's the influencing side, which pays very well.

• 14:19Haley Sacks?

  I know. People don't realize. I know. We could really make a good buck around here.

• 14:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:24Haley Sacks?

  So what has that been looking at? Like Howard, how do you monetize your content? How much have you been making as an influencer?

• 14:29Speaker 01

  So I mean, altogether, it looks like I'm gonna make a million plus this year, which is great.

• 14:34Haley Sacks?

  She's a seven-figure lady.

• 14:36Speaker 01

  Which is very exciting.

• 14:36Haley Sacks?

  Okay, girl.

• 14:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, coming from.

• 14:39Haley Sacks?

  But you have to put a lot into, because I know also you're now investing a lot more in your look too.

• 14:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:44Haley Sacks?

  Which I love. I want to talk, well, talk to us more about the money, but then I want to talk about the look stuff.

• 14:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. Um, I mean, the money stuff is confusing. I am a violence saver, I will say. So I don't spend a dime on myself.

• 14:54Haley Sacks?

  Did you grow up with like, like what was your money relationship growing up?

• 14:57Speaker 01

  Two parent teachers who told me to be terrified of losing everything.

• 15:00Haley Sacks?

  Exactly.

• 15:00Speaker 01

  So.

• 15:01Haley Sacks?

  It's all, it's all in there from like when you're seven.

• 15:03Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 15:03Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 15:03Speaker 01

  Um, and it is very obvious. I, I'm spending money on myself is like the most embarrassing thing to my core. I have, I struggle with it a lot. Which is great that I'm an influencer now, because everything's free.

• 15:12Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 15:14Speaker 01

  So it can make sense. I invest every penny I have, either back into the business or, um, into my, I just have a financial advisor that kind of handles everything else for me.

• 15:22Haley Sacks?

  When you first started your content, it, you were really like workout clothes, just like chill, whatever. And now it's like you are glamorous model diva.

• 15:30Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 15:31Haley Sacks?

  You know, like you look really, I mean, you've always looked amazing, but it's like, you're definitely, I mean, I, you see it with every influencer that it's like.

• 15:37Speaker 01

  Slow.

• 15:38Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, it's just, yeah, I know. The glow up does happen, but it's like the glow up costs money. So how much are you spending on like becoming Travel with Liv?

• 15:46Speaker 01

  It really, it's, it's crazy to say, but like it, I haven't really spent any money on it. I.

• 15:51Haley Sacks?

  Oh, you're just getting sent clothes and stuff.

• 15:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a lot of that. It's just a lot of like the right brands that I've always been wearing. Um, and honestly, I haven't been showing a lot of that either. I feel like I have had great business style most of my life. I've always dressed very corporate. So that side of me, I just wasn't really filming. So I'm starting to show that a little bit more. But the day-to-day fashion side, like I do have a stylist now.

• 16:11Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 16:12Speaker 01

  You know, we just pay by every meeting, I would say.

• 16:16Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 16:16Speaker 01

  But a lot of those brands are just like.

• 16:18Haley Sacks?

  And when you pay the stylist, they have connections, which is awesome.

• 16:21Speaker 01

  She's a beast.

• 16:22Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 16:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, her name's Danielle. She's from the UK. She is like, I don't even know how I found her, but she is God's gift to earth. Like she shows up, well, she sends people, because she's in the UK, obviously, but like, we had boxes and boxes and boxes of stuff just brought in yesterday, like filled up the whole room.

• 16:38Haley Sacks?

  Oh, my God.

• 16:38Speaker 01

  Yeah. And she, she gets it. Like she wants business batting. She's like, she'll tell me to, no, no, no. You need to elevate this because of this, and this is the comment I read. So let's change this. Get out of the workout clothes, girl. Like it's time to.

• 16:50Haley Sacks?

  It's image shaping. It's like, was it Diaw with La Roche? Where it's like, he's not her stylist. He's like her like image, like sculptor.

• 16:57Speaker 01

  Consultant. It's like PR and stylist and bestial in one.

• 17:01Haley Sacks?

  I know. It's interesting that your clients find you on social media though. I mean, it makes so much sense, but it's also like, then you sort of know when you sign up with you that, okay, if I have this crazy call with her or something, it might end up in a video. So what is the permission structure like? Like obviously discretion is a huge part of working with ultra wealthy, but you're blasting it a little.

• 17:22Speaker 01

  It's so.

• 17:22Haley Sacks?

  How do you got away with that?

• 17:23Speaker 01

  You know what? It's something that I still would like to know the answer to. Um, to be honest, it's been so interesting. A lot of people are like, why are your clients not offended? Who's looking at this like you're making fun of me? But a lot of people that see the content either relate to it, they're like, she can pull this off and I struggle with this issue. And no shame on them. Like, be, these people are paying millions of dollars to travel. I would be asking for loves from a different ocean if I didn't like the one who's in that ocean. Like, I totally get it. So just trying to move without any judgment there. But when it comes to talking to people about the calls, you know, right away, to be honest, when I get on a phone call, first off, depending on what industry they're in, I'm likely not gonna ask if it's somebody that's just gonna NDA me. Uh, and some of these phone calls, like I know from the alias,

• 18:05Speaker 01

  they're gonna give me an NDA before I even get on the initial call to potentially sign them up for concierge plus. Those people will never be on calls. Their vacations will never be spoken about. I have other clients who own businesses that are like, hey, would love to maybe advertise with you if we could do a call about this. Or they find their situation really funny and they love the content. So they change the name, you're good. Or live, oh my God, you'll never believe what happened today. You have to do a call about this. So I think there's like a really big split of, of clients and like, we're just able to respect it. And it's just knowing the relationship and, and working with it.

• 18:38Haley Sacks?

  So you mentioned the lobster from a different ocean, which I, I'll let you explain that, but I obviously want to know the craziest client request. Cause this was when you had.

• 18:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:47Haley Sacks?

  A client who asked for lobster from a different ocean.

• 18:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, I would say, I mean, the, the one that really got me, because I felt like a bit of a rude person for judging this, was the lime situation. I don't know if you ever saw that one. So we had a woman that was, of course, food in general. We have tons of food requests. We have so many people with preferences, allergies, things that they're just really particular about. I personally am allergic to gluten and dairy and it's very frustrating when I don't have options. So I hear the frustration and also people are nightmares when they're hangry. So add those two things together. So I deal with a lot of food related stuff. Um, we had a woman that had, she was allergic to limes that were from that particular region. And I got off the phone and I made fun of her, like fully. And I've talked about it on podcasts. I'm like, that was crazy. That was insane.

• 19:34Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 19:34Speaker 01

  That was a preference. That was not an allergy.

• 19:36Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 19:37Speaker 01

  A doctor picked it up and blasted me online and was like, he wasn't mean about it, but he's like, you're wrong. This is fully an allergy. This is very possible. When something like that happens, we just have, I mean, we have amazing people at the hotels that can help us handle those situations. So that one happened rather late at night. I had to go to bed, but we were able to literally source another lime. It's also produce. Like you might be on an island, but they have produce from other parts of the world, always ready to go. So that was quite easy to actually solve. We just had to kind of figure out how we were gonna do it. And then just, just bring in the limes for her and keep them there for the week.

• 20:10Haley Sacks?

  So the craziest requests are really the food related ones?

• 20:13Speaker 01

  I would say food related.

• 20:14Haley Sacks?

  Yeah. So lobster from a different ocean, limes from a different region, those sort of ones.

• 20:17Speaker 01

  Those kinds of things, for sure. And it's just last minute too. And like, we've had people that want certain types of beef flown in and like, stuff can happen to food when you're moving it, right? So if you show up and your steak's gone bad and it flew in from like six hours away, you gotta, right away. And it's expensive, but it's possible. If you want to pay to put a steak on a private jet, like, we can do it. It's a huge waste of money, in my opinion, but no problem. We'll get it done. If you've got finances to do it, it's okay.

• 20:41Haley Sacks?

  So you're saying the standard budget rate for the trips you plan, it sounds like it's like a million plus per, per trip?

• 20:48Speaker 01

  Um, I mean, it's all over the place. We have tons of people that are taking like 50 to 150 a year, or sorry, 50 to 150 per trip. Really depends. If it's like an individual business guy that's just coming to New York for two days, you're gonna be on the lower end. Um, and some of those clients don't always want the penthouse, which always gets it, gets it down there as well. Um, but the family trips usually are insane. So there is, there is quite a bit of a, a range, I would say, when it comes to individual trips.

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• 22:08Haley Sacks?

  So you talk a lot about the kids of the ultra-rich. And on Mrs. Dow Jones, I talk a lot about generational wealth. And it's sort of funny because people are obsessed with growing generational wealth for their kids. Like, they want to have rich kids, but as a culture, we hate nepo babies and we hate rich kids.

• 22:30Speaker 01

  Isn't that funny?

• 22:31Haley Sacks?

  It's like this dichotomy.

• 22:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:32Haley Sacks?

  So I just wonder sort of like what your experience has been with these children, what your feelings are about generational wealth, you know, you could pass on fine money, but you can't pass on financial literacy.

• 22:45Speaker 01

  That's fair.

• 22:46Haley Sacks?

  And, you know, by the second generation, not 80% of generational wealth is gone, 90%. And when you hear your calls, you sort of get why? Because these kids seem like they're just blowing through it.

• 22:59Speaker 01

  They blow through it. Yeah. It's funny to actually look at it globally because different areas don't struggle with that the way that North America does. Like, you look at the families in Dubai and they're on seven, eight, nine generations and it's just growing and growing, but yet somehow.

• 23:14Haley Sacks?

  But they have so much principle that I feel like it's.

• 23:16Speaker 01

  It's just different.

• 23:17Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, it's just a different level. Like, when you got that oil money, it's like, if they're gonna spend a million dollars on whatever.

• 23:23Speaker 01

  You actually can't even run through that.

• 23:24Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, they're like, try, try. Yeah, maybe a sports gambling or something.

• 23:28Speaker 01

  Yeah. And they're just much more, I mean, there's just so much more regimented things going on over there. So it just doesn't happen. But here, yeah, of course, we see so many third generation, it's always gone. Working with these kids, I mean, first off, something to note, for us, we are really trying to tap into this because there are trillions of dollars that are going to go into these younger kids within the next couple of years. You know, we've got a lot of.

• 23:51Haley Sacks?

  The great wealth transfer.

• 23:52Speaker 01

  The great wealth transfer. It is coming and these kids love our content. So, you know, it is nice that we're targeting them and hopefully they want to come work with us as they come into billions and billions of dollars over the next, you know, several years. So, working with them is great. I am a part-time family therapist for a lot of these people. They love to get in trouble.

• 24:10Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, it does seem like that.

• 24:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:12Haley Sacks?

  So what's like the craziest requests that you've heard from kids?

• 24:15Speaker 01

  Just like, they just get in trouble. They, I've had to deal with people getting the cops called on them who've been stuck in jail.

• 24:21Haley Sacks?

  For what?

• 24:22Speaker 01

  Just like, I can't, I can't talk about it, but just like, they just do, they do stupid teenage stuff, but just add a couple hundred thousand dollars onto the stupid thing that they did. And they, they get in trouble. They go out to the nightclubs, they get drunk, they're underage sometimes. Like, they're just, they're just running around like the city's theirs because it is. They, no one says no to them. So they're not used to hearing that. And then they do stupid stuff and they get in trouble. And that's, so I'm just dealing with stuff like that a lot of the times. Yeah. And I just, overall, it is tough sometimes to try and tell them no.

• 24:54Haley Sacks?

  They don't hear it.

• 24:55Speaker 01

  A lot of these parents are scared of their kids.

• 24:57Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, that's what I've noticed is that they want you to be the bad cop.

• 25:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:01Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 25:01Speaker 01

  Which is interesting. But also, I mean, that's what we get paid to do.

• 25:04Haley Sacks?

  But do you think it's like this outsourcing of childcare? Like, there's this romanticization of, oh, I'm gonna have a kid and have a nanny who raises them or whatever. And then it's like, you sort of like fill in that role a little bit and it's, you, you know, like they're sort of pushing it off onto you?

• 25:17Speaker 01

  It's different per family. I know a lot of families we work with are so tight with their kids and just like, they value that core group more than anything in the whole world. And then I have other families that are like, you know, their kids are just kind of off on their own and they don't have that relationship that's as strong. So, it's totally, it's, yeah, it's totally different per family. But yeah, some of them do have a lot of nannies and some of the kids think of their nannies as like their, their parents or their second parents, they see them more.

• 25:43Haley Sacks?

  What are the craziest requests that you've gotten from the kids?

• 25:47Speaker 01

  What are your last minute?

• 25:47Haley Sacks?

  Where you're like, are they like, will you get me coke?

• 25:49Speaker 01

  Oh, my God. Oh, my God. So we, we do a lot of.

• 25:53Haley Sacks?

  People ask you to do like illegal stuff?

• 25:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course, of course. Oh, my gosh. I love that you asked that question. We never talk about this so often. I cut my surfaces off at like 12 o'clock at night. I was like, I say nothing good happens after 12 o'clock usually. It's, I know it's nothing good happens after two, but anybody in any major city, when the kids are out, when the parents are out, if I have new clients or like boys trips, girls trips, I'm gonna get the text in the morning. Usually I'm sleeping and then I'll get a, hey, by the way, do you know anybody? And then at 7:00 AM, they're like, hey, I'm so sorry about last night. We don't do anything like that. We usually just ignore those texts. I would like to keep my hands clean for as long as we can. Yeah. I mean, it's, people like to have fun and no shame in that, go nuts. There's a lot of crazy things happening in these worlds,

• 26:40Speaker 01

  but we are not the people to help you with that.

• 26:42Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 26:42Speaker 01

  So they gotta find it on their own.

• 26:44Haley Sacks?

  What about like sex workers or like bringing girls, not even sex workers, like maybe just like getting like yacht girls?

• 26:49Speaker 01

  Those are, yeah, those are like a promoter.

• 26:51Haley Sacks?

  Oh, a promoter. So you have a person for it. So I'm like, Liv, I'm going on a yacht this weekend. I want to have.

• 26:55Speaker 01

  There's a million people that do that. Yeah.

• 26:57Haley Sacks?

  But you could connect me if I needed like a lot of hot guys on a yacht?

• 27:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'd put you in contact with somebody that might be able to help you.

• 27:03Haley Sacks?

  Awesome. Because I definitely feel like that's something I want to do, just for me, you know, like.

• 27:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's, there's people that do that. I'm, you know, we try and focus in what we're very good at and not handle all the messy stuff. But there's tons of people in New York, Vegas, all the major cities have like nightlife guys and promoters that can fill the tables with hot guys and, you know, and make sure you're having a good time.

• 27:23Haley Sacks?

  I love it. What is the most personal thing anyone has let you in on or like asked them to do?

• 27:30Speaker 01

  We are, I really sometimes am a full-blown therapist. There's been a lot of like, just, like personal stuff, you know, you might call me and be like, hey, Liv, there's, yeah.

• 27:40Haley Sacks?

  Surrogacy.

• 27:41Speaker 01

  There's a, you know, I'm worried that someone's gonna hide money. We're going through divorce. I'm worried that they're, you know, I'm making the wrong decisions. Can you help set me up with somebody? I'm.

• 27:49Haley Sacks?

  Who's sort of a financial advisor too.

• 27:51Speaker 01

  Yes and no. I have phenomenal people that I work with on the financial side that we kind of just help facilitate. I honestly am a facilitator of relationships.

• 27:59Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, that's, you're like a broker.

• 28:00Speaker 01

  I kind of am. Yeah.

• 28:01Haley Sacks?

  But a safe broker.

• 28:03Speaker 01

  Safe broker.

• 28:03Haley Sacks?

  Yeah. So you're not gonna be like, I'm the broker and you're gonna have to spend all these other fees because I'm giving you to all these people who are gonna try and like get a buck off you.

• 28:10Speaker 01

  People trust me and that's huge for me. There's a million people a day trying to become that person that I go to. I am so protective of my clients. Like, even we had a reporter the other day that was like, I need all this information on your client. And I was like, sorry, I'm not gonna risk my business for your article.

• 28:28Haley Sacks?

  Well, what I think is amazing about your business is that, yes, you're gonna make like a million dollars, it sounds like, off of influencing this year, which, that's correct, right?

• 28:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:37Haley Sacks?

  But that doesn't really hold a candle to how much you're making off of the actual business. And so when you have money, it gives you the power to say no. You know, like I was thinking about this with LeBron James, that he just took this like four million or whatever, like he took a 93% pay.

• 28:54Speaker 01

  He's coming to, to the Philly. I'm so excited.

• 28:57Haley Sacks?

  But he took this huge pay cut and it's like, oh, how can you do that? And it's because like, he has fuck you money. He can say.

• 29:03Speaker 01

  It doesn't matter.

• 29:04Haley Sacks?

  And he can go for something bigger. And so it's the same thing for you. You don't have to pimp yourself out for these like small fry things.

• 29:12Speaker 01

  No.

• 29:12Haley Sacks?

  Because you have the financial security of this like bigger business that that, you realize that that's the, the bigger picture.

• 29:20Speaker 01

  That's the piece. Yeah. Now, I have been there. Like, when we, when I started with Troy, I remember going and sitting at, almost like a hooker. You go to those big, nice, fancy restaurants and you're just sitting there by yourself until you meet somebody that has a lot of money. But then, of course, you gotta switch it right into business and be like, hey, by the way, who plans your travels? All the things.

• 29:39Haley Sacks?

  So at the beginning, how did you get those clients?

• 29:42Speaker 01

  It was a nightmare. It was an absolute nightmare. I literally was. I was going to the one hotel. I was going to Faina. I was going to like Edition and Satie everywhere on, on Miami Beach and just waiting for clientele. And of course, it didn't work. I was taking any tip I could get. I was booking like a honeymoon for $20,000 where I made negative a thousand. And it was so much work that my hair was falling out. It was horrible.

• 30:04Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 30:05Speaker 01

  It's not fun. But then, of course, I was, I was just hustling so hard in that avenue that while the social media was kind of blowing up, I wasn't even paying attention. And then all of a sudden, we looked and we're like, oh, my God, the New York Times is calling us. Oh, my God, Wall Street Journal is calling us. Oh, my gosh, somebody wants to pay us a hundred thousand dollars to do an ad. Like, it was just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And then, next thing you know, I'm getting a DM from X billionaire. And I'm like, oh, no. What did we do?

• 30:27Haley Sacks?

  So you sort of figured out how to get that, the marketing pipeline?

• 30:32Speaker 01

  Yeah. And that was, and I still think even if like the social media stuff didn't blow up, I was starting to see returns. You know, like sales, usually it's gonna take you a year, especially in luxury sales, to see even one return. You gotta put in time with those relationships. You gotta do a lot of dinners, a lot of shooting. And they have to trust you, especially when it's that caliber of clientele.

• 30:51Haley Sacks?

  Well, that's, I mean, so if I'm a billionaire and I'm at the Faina and you come up to me and you're like, hey, can I plan your trip? I wouldn't really trust you. But if I'm on social media and I see your page and it's clear that you're working with all these other rich clients and I want a piece of that life.

• 31:06Speaker 01

  Now it's.

• 31:06Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, now it's a different conversation.

• 31:08Speaker 01

  Right. Now we have people, I'll be out and these guys will come up to me and be like, hey, I want to be a client. I'm like, you probably can't afford it. Love you. I love telling them that you can't afford it. It's fantastic. And then they, I've had a couple of guys just pull out their bank account and be like, I'm good.

• 31:20Haley Sacks?

  Wait, stop. They, what's, what it's the number?

• 31:22Speaker 01

  Great. You, like always 50 mil plus.

• 31:24Haley Sacks?

  Wait, in the bank account?

• 31:25Speaker 01

  Which, first off.

• 31:26Haley Sacks?

  Investment account. It's an investment account. You.

• 31:28Speaker 01

  You know what? I actually haven't looked that close. I hope to God it's an investment.

• 31:31Haley Sacks?

  No, that's my biggest.

• 31:32Speaker 01

  That much cash should never be saved in your bank account.

• 31:35Haley Sacks?

  I know.

• 31:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, we've had tons that are just like, we'll flash it. I'm like, all right, it still doesn't mean you're a great client, but now we can at least have a conversation. But yeah, I mean, I do. I never want to tell people that it's not possible without social media because like, I do believe that at this point, I hopefully would have a good client base. I don't know if I'd have billionaires yet, but I think I'd still be doing pretty well just because like I was out there hustling every single day, like hands in the dirt, just meeting people and trying to build those relationships.

• 32:01Haley Sacks?

  But you're still doing that. You're just doing it digitally.

• 32:03Speaker 01

  But now I'm doing it digitally and in person and now people are walking up to me. So, you know, of course.

• 32:07Haley Sacks?

  Such a good feeling when it switches.

• 32:08Speaker 01

  It's great. And thank God we have the social, but I never want to like deter anybody away from thinking that it can't happen without social media because I think that in like real life sales is still very much a thing and people can crush. You just gotta really work at it.

• 32:21Haley Sacks?

  Yeah. I mean, but I think it's also like work smarter, not harder.

• 32:24Speaker 01

  If you can, absolutely.

• 32:26Haley Sacks?

  But with your clients, have you ever fired a client?

• 32:28Speaker 01

  Oh, yes, many.

• 32:29Haley Sacks?

  What's like the worst thing that they've done?

• 32:30Speaker 01

  Um, it's just a, it's level of respect across the board. Anybody that we've gotten rid of, it's just the way that they talk to us. You don't always see it and sometimes they are very good at hiding it. They will come in in the first couple of interviews. They're like, I'm such a good guy. I care about you guys. I think you're lovely people. They speak very high level energy, which is like, you read me like a book. If you speak like that, I'm like, oh, you're great. But that, yeah, it, there's a, there's a flip usually after the first trip where they just start swearing. You guys suck. I don't know why I paid you. I want a refund, but then they still want to stay. It's just that constant level of insanity and almost like emotional switch. And that for me, I've seen several times.

• 33:10Haley Sacks?

  That's the hardest thing about being in like a service industry. I feel like it's like you can really get caught up with people's drama.

• 33:17Speaker 01

  I don't have the energy for that. I'm like, I take on a lot of that stuff too. I feel it really heavy in my stomach and I just, it affects me. So I can't have people like that around me. There's too many good people out there to be working with assholes.

• 33:28Haley Sacks?

  That's a really good point. That it's like a really good abundance mindset.

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• 34:40Haley Sacks?

  So where do the ultra wealthy like to go? Like what's trending 2026 for travel for them? What do they like to do? Have you noticed changes in how they travel, what they're prioritizing?

• 34:51Speaker 01

  People always ask me this. I think it's funny for people that I think it's so obvious, but of course it's not because I'm just so ingrained in this. People are following this Instagram thing. So like three years ago, the Kardashians went to Mallorca. Mallorca is everywhere. It's kind of like Paris fashion and American fashion. A couple of years later, we started to follow the trend. Same thing. Social media, everybody who's anybody goes out and then it's like St. Bart's. Over the next three years, I think St. Bart's is going to be an absolute nightmare. Even this year it was a nightmare. There were way too many people there. But of course, because of all the social media blow up, everyone is going to spend every dollar they can to go take a photo in St. Bart's and look like they're a billionaire. So it's just going to get ruined. Um, my people, honestly, there are not as many trends with ultra high net worth individuals.

• 35:36Speaker 01

  They like what they like. They go to the same hotels every single time. They take the same vacations with their families.

• 35:42Haley Sacks?

  So they're go, they're repeating the trip.

• 35:43Speaker 01

  They repeat their trips.

• 35:44Haley Sacks?

  Yeah. So interesting.

• 35:45Speaker 01

  Sometimes they'll switch, but if they really like something, especially I work with a ton of families. If they have kids, like they don't like to switch it up. If it went great last year, stick with it. It's also really nice to have concierge teams that like know you and you can return back to that and you don't have to build those relationships again. They feel like more trust there.

• 36:01Haley Sacks?

  Hundred percent. That's so like, that's how my family traveled growing up.

• 36:05Speaker 01

  Now, the only outlier there is the new money people. So, you know, we've worked with a lot of crypto people. We accept crypto as payment. Um, and they're hilarious. They're so funny. They'll come in, you'll see the market will go up if Bitcoin and any of the coins and we'll just be like, get ready. I want to spend $2 million. Let's go, let's do it all. They send us crypto. They go off, do this crazy vacation, come back, they'll keep going. And then you'll see the crash and then they're dead silent. We don't hear back from them until the market goes back up again. It's really funny. But they, they always want the craziest experience. Like what do you have? What have I not done? How can we get there? So like African safaris. I want to go to Ibiza and do like the craziest nightlife trip for three weeks. I want to go do a boat in somewhere we can barely get a boat into, like just all the things. So

• 36:51Speaker 01

  those guys are fun, but they want it right away and they want something that they've never done before. So we have to kind of keep a good eye on the client profile to see what they've done so that we don't show up with something that they've already done.

• 37:00Haley Sacks?

  Do you see your clients sort of performing their wealth in the trips that you book for them?

• 37:05Speaker 01

  Um, some yes, some no. Teach their own. I'd be posting like crazy. Now I'm, I love social media. So of course my stuff would be everywhere, but some clients would rather die than be on camera. So.

• 37:16Haley Sacks?

  Yeah. I feel like the biggest luxury with the rich is to be private.

• 37:20Speaker 01

  I hear that.

• 37:21Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 37:21Speaker 01

  I totally hear that. Do you know how exhausting it is to be on camera? And I love my fans. They're amazing. But like some days you want to look like shit and just not talk. We talked about this. You know, I don't want to talk to anybody some days.

• 37:32Haley Sacks?

  Yes.

• 37:32Speaker 01

  But you lose that privilege when you become famous. Like that's, people always say there's that selling your soul to the devil for fame. I think that that's what it is.

• 37:40Haley Sacks?

  It's not selling your soul to the devil. It's selling your ugly.

• 37:42Speaker 01

  Like you're done. You will never be able to walk down the street looking horrible. It's go get your morning coffee, singing away. Someone's going to take a photo of you and say you're on meth. Like there's, it's gone. It's gone. And that's like the sell your soul.

• 37:54Haley Sacks?

  Totally. Unless you can tell us where to go, like a secret island where you can just like be looking like a meth head.

• 37:59Speaker 01

  I mean, you can rent out Necker Island anytime you want, but you gotta have some money to do that.

• 38:05Haley Sacks?

  So you're, one thing I think is really interesting about your work is like how intimately aware you are of your client's life. And I'm sure with this, you're able to learn not just about how they travel, but how they handle money. Like it's clear. They really love value. They don't want to get ripped off. That makes sense. But what have you learned from working with ultra rich that you apply to your own finances?

• 38:26Speaker 01

  Get somebody who knows how to do it to do it. Yeah. My wealth managers are fantastic. And I also am starting to understand deeper into the saying like the rich just keep getting richer. You just have access to more things. You really can't deny that. I even like two years ago would never have known about like pre-IPOs and all these incredible, and I'm, I'm just not a finance girl. But now I have these amazing people that are calling me and are educating me on what this is. This could be risky. This could not be risky and just helping me really diversify my portfolio. But I think just having connections and being in these circles, unfortunately for the everyday man is, is growing my wealth for me. So I know that's a hard thing for everybody to say, well, I want to do it too. But

• 39:09Speaker 01

  just being able to get educated by this level of people is like put so many new things into my head and it's quite incredible.

• 39:16Haley Sacks?

  Yeah. It's so true. The access really is crazy.

• 39:18Speaker 01

  Everything.

• 39:19Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, it really is. To get those deals where you're going to get those beyond average returns. Yeah. So I think a lot of people listening are definitely fascinated by all your stories. I know that I am, but you know, we're not operating on the same wavelength as your clients. We can't afford the million dollar trip.

• 39:36Speaker 01

  Me either.

• 39:37Haley Sacks?

  Like what tips do you give to people traveling on a budget? Do you have, I know that's not your specialty, but or like where do you go? Obviously you're saying, okay, St. Bart's is cooked. You know, all these Instagram places, not worth it, but like, do you see any up and coming locations that we, like, okay, for example, I go to Greece every summer, but it's always a hot new island in Greece. And I'm like, I got to avoid it. So like last year I went to Siphnos in Folegondros. This year everyone is in Siphnos. And so I'm going to Amorgos, which is, you know, there's a new hotel there that I'm going to go do. That's like going to be great, but it's not quite in the zeitgeist yet. So like, do you have those cusp places?

• 40:16Speaker 01

  I have a couple, but I already hear it. Like I've made a couple of videos and every, I've gotten messages. I actually, I won't even say the name again because I'm stopping to advertise this spot. But there's a island in Hawaii that I, I used to talk about constantly. And actually I had like five or six local people message me and they're like, we are so overwhelmed. Please stop advertising our island. And I haven't talked about it since. So I try, I always feel bad talking about the underrated places because they're going to blow up. It's going to happen. Um, Montenegro. Is my like, I think it's gonna absolutely explode. Everybody's slowly starting to whisper about it. That's where we're starting to send people. Um, the one and only there is spectacular. There's a lot of good spots over there. So I would say Montenegro. Um, obviously if you can afford it, just get on a boat because it's never going to be overcrowded there.

• 41:01Haley Sacks?

  Is that really like the peak travel?

• 41:03Speaker 01

  That is in my opinion.

• 41:05Haley Sacks?

  You have like a full staff, you can go wherever you want.

• 41:07Speaker 01

  Boat lug, I don't think you can beat luxury yachting. It's phenomenal. You can stay in your bubble. You don't have to talk to anybody, but you still have access to all the best restaurants and you can go to the best hotels and go hang out there and get drinks. It's, it is like the elite of elite traveling in my mind, but so it's very expensive. So I would say best hack is try, and this is tough because you don't want to travel not on peak season. Of course, everybody wants to go to the same parts during the season. But if you can, I call it shoulder season, but people don't know what that means. So if you can travel not on peak season, that is ideal. And you could just Google that, like Google, when is it the best in Costa Rica? And then go when it's not the best. Unfortunately, you might have a lot more rain than you might on peak season, but

• 41:48Speaker 01

  you're going to save so much money by traveling. And also just please, for the love of God, stop booking your trips three weeks before you go.

• 41:55Haley Sacks?

  That's such a good tip.

• 41:56Speaker 01

  You can't book hotels uh longer than a year away, but if you can like start at eight, nine months, you are going to save thousands of dollars. So please just go in advance. Like everybody works, you know, when you're gonna have time off. Book the, the Christmas vacation after Christmas this year. The week after, just book it. There's gonna be great discounts, great deals. It's like, that is the way to go. Book early, go off peak season.

• 42:19Haley Sacks?

  Those are really good hacks.

• 42:20Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 42:21Haley Sacks?

  What are your non-negotiables when traveling?

• 42:24Speaker 01

  I am a carry-on freak.

• 42:26Haley Sacks?

  No, you need to, I need your help. What are we doing?

• 42:29Speaker 01

  It's so serious. It is no joke.

• 42:31Haley Sacks?

  Flavor carry-on are you, what brand is it? Like, we need to know, like.

• 42:35Speaker 01

  So I, I'm trying to look cuter at the airport because I look kind of like I just called off the street. Usually when I get on a flight, I'm like full of track pants, giant sloppy duffel bag. I usually I have, I just bought a Todd's like leather bag that just will allow me to beat the crap out of it and still look good. I love that bag. So I got like a big purse that I'm liking, but also usually they have a beige black carry-on. It's like a laptop bag. That one's great to pack. If you get a long flight, that's like, that's the must-go. Um, hydration sheet masks, non-negotiable for me. I always bring an extra strength melatonin because I think not sleeping on a flight, especially if you have a time change, horrendous. Um, and then like you need, of course, good headphones, always a must-go.

• 43:18Speaker 01

  What else do I bring? Hand cream. Usually I get really, really dry while I'm on there. Um, oh, and electrolytes.

• 43:23Haley Sacks?

  I was gonna say electrolytes for sure.

• 43:25Speaker 01

  Have to have electrolytes.

• 43:26Haley Sacks?

  And I feel like throughout the interview, every question that I gave you, you'd be like, oh, I haven't heard that before. Or you'd be like, people always ask me that. So I'm wondering, besides about cocaine, what are?

• 43:37Speaker 01

  People try and ask and normally I'm like, let's just not talk about this, but it's a real thing. Of course, people do drugs. That is a real thing. We just don't handle it.

• 43:45Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, rich kids love to just snort a few lines. But are there any other things that you wish that people would ask you and you haven't had the chance to answer? Like that you feel like people like don't know about what you're doing, that you're like, ooh, this is good.

• 43:57Speaker 01

  I don't know. I, you know, I'm, I was, it's really cool when I get to talk about just like life as a human. I am not accustomed to this and I'm getting to see so many things.

• 44:08Haley Sacks?

  What, you work with your fiance?

• 44:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:10Haley Sacks?

  What is that like?

• 44:11Speaker 01

  It's beautiful. It's so nice. Um, of course, we literally try and kill each other once a week, but in like the nicest fun way. We are, you know, we'll yip at each other when we're working sometimes because we will disagree on something, but the second that it's over, we're just like, we're so in love. We're so happy right now. And just like, even like, like I show up last night after such a long day of shooting and there's a massive bouquet of flowers and a martini waiting for me and this like beautiful handwritten note, like he's always just celebrating me and so congratulatory and like won't stop bragging. It's so embarrassing when we go out anywhere. He's just so proud to be my partner and to have that in a business. And we're also insane. Like both of us work 22 hours a day. So we don't sleep and you can't have a partner that's not on the same level as you. So I just feel very blessed to like have that connection in life. It's been very cool.

• 44:56Haley Sacks?

  I love that. Did you have like toxic relationships in the past or it wasn't like that?

• 44:59Speaker 01

  Horrendous, horrendous. I've dated just horrible people for a try. I think I learned my lesson and then, and then came back. I just always believe the best in people from the get-go and it's bitten me in the butt a couple of times.

• 45:11Haley Sacks?

  Okay. My last question for you is you like you're saying, okay, you got, like you are saying you with your fiance, he gave you sort of a luxury experience when you got to the hotel, like martini, huge bouquet waiting, whole whatever. So what luxury experiences do you really love?

• 45:28Speaker 01

  I'm an F1 girl A till I die. I think F1 Vegas is the coolest event I have ever been to. If you have not been, you need to put it on your bucket list. I think it's the coolest thing ever. Even if you don't like F1, the parties, the people, networking wise, young women, get over there, get over there. You don't have to go to Greek club. You don't have to do all the things, but like go hang out at the win and meet people. It's just celebrities and business moguls everywhere.

• 45:49Haley Sacks?

  Okay, that's fantastic.

• 45:50Speaker 01

  The room where it happens.

• 45:51Haley Sacks?

  The room where it happens is F1.

• 45:53Speaker 01

  Okay. Well, thank you so much, Olivia, for being here. This was so good.

• 45:56Haley Sacks?

  Of course. Thank you for having me.

• 45:58Speaker 01

  And stay rich.

• 46:00Haley Sacks?

  Stay rich.