Bonus Episode: The Sonic Youth New York Kool Thing Walking Tour

A mythic trip through some of New York City’s most rock ‘n’ roll addresses. Beyond the Chelsea to beatdowns with Bob Dylan, stoopside hangs with the Stones, Miles backstage with Iggy, Jackson and Nico, Yoko and John, and the IRA and the FBI, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 1:14Jake Brennan?

  I like a story with a twist as much as anyone, but some of the best traditions don't have one. They just started and kept going. That's something that's great about Chateau St. Michelle. They've been leading Washington wine since 1967 with wines that are balanced, expressive, and easy to enjoy. Choosing the right bottle shouldn't feel complicated. It should be something you open with confidence every time. So for once, here's a story with no twist, just a good bottle. Redefine your rituals with Chateau St. Michelle.

• 1:46Jake Brennan?

  Hey, Discos. Need a little more DisgraceLand in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to DisgraceLand: The Afterparty.

• 2:12Jake Brennan?

  Welcome to the DisgraceLand bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the after-party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party. It's the bridge to get you from one full episode of DisgraceLand to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. And our mission is to uncover the truth and to confront the myth and to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, we're taking a walk through New York to some of the coolest rock and roll history addresses with Bob Dylan and Sid Vicious, The Rolling Stones, Marty Scorsese, Miles and Iggy, Jackson and Nico, Yoko, John, the IRA, the FBI, and more. Plus, your voicemails, texts, emails, comments, DMs, and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried.

• 2:54Jake Brennan?

  DisgraceLand is where I tell the stories they didn't want told, the kind that you'll end up telling somebody else. All right, discos, let's get into it.

• 3:10Jake Brennan?

  Guys, I am here, and if you're hearing an extra pep in my step this morning, it's because I got this new recording sitch. And I'm really liking the way I sound, if I'm being honest with you.

• 3:24Jake Brennan?

  We had some Sonic Youth noise stuck in our phones for the last couple of weeks. We couldn't figure out what the hell it was. I feel like we have, hopefully. Sounds good to me. Anyways, I hope it sounds good to you. I'm psyched to be talking to y'all. I was thinking about Sonic Youth this morning in the context of the story that we just told this week, and specifically about the concept of cool. Sonic Youth were just the coolest. They knew they were the coolest. They sounded the coolest, looked the coolest, didn't seem to care if we thought they were the coolest or not either. And you know, that's a hallmark for being cool, not giving a shit. So they weren't just one of the coolest New York bands of all time, which is saying something. They were one of the coolest bands of all time. They influenced so many groups, so many artists, so many writers, hell, even podcasters like yours truly.

• 4:08Jake Brennan?

  There is some unfortunate scandal, drama, really, not so much scandal, I guess. I don't know. Those two words are kind of, they kind of mean the same thing. At the tail end of Sonic Youth's story, talking, of course, about Thurston Moore's affair and betrayal of his bandmate and wife, Kim Gordon, who is beloved by fans. And that betrayal likely means that Sonic Youth's story is indeed dead as dead as Nancy Spungen in the Chelsea Hotel. Nancy is never coming back and neither is Sonic Youth. Nancy's death, her murder by, well, we still don't know who murdered her. Most people believe Sid Vicious did it. Others believe it was a drug dealer, a fixture on the downtown scene, whose name shall go unmentioned here in this podcast because,

• 4:50Jake Brennan?

  well, he's still out there. In any event, Nancy Spungen's death in room 100 at the Chelsea Hotel on West 23rd Street in October of 1978 is a mythic New York rock and roll event. Now Nancy wasn't that influential. She was cool, I guess, but she wasn't in a band and she wasn't influential in the way that Kim Gordon from Sonic Youth was influential, is influential, or in the way that her Sex Pistols boyfriend, Sid Vicious, was influential. She died in the Chelsea Hotel, like I said. Now, if you walk outside the Chelsea and you continue on to this New York Sonic Youth cool thing, walking tour that we're about to embark upon, and you head over to 8th Avenue

• 5:33Jake Brennan?

  and then south for about a mile, you're gonna run into Bank Street and that's where Sid Vicious died. It was a couple of months later and I believe he died from a hotshot given to him from his mother in a mercy kill. That happened at 63 Bank Street in the West Village. And that happened, like I said, a few months later in February of 1979. Now Sid's death took place steps away from 105 Bank Street. And that's where John Lennon and Yoko Ono lived between the years 1973 and 1975. So a couple of years before Sid Vicious died at Bank Street,

• 6:13Jake Brennan?

  John Lennon and Yoko Ono lived there. 1973 to 1975, this is the era when the FBI was tapping their phone and everyone remembers John and Yoko living in the posh Dakota building uptown. But before they fully settled into the bourgeois lifestyle that so angered and triggered John's assassin, Mark David Chapman, John and Yoko slummed it in a two-room, one-bedroom apartment on Bank Street. That's where John entertained Black Panthers and IRA Gun Runners. It's also where he was robbed and had his TV stolen. And that really pissed John Lennon off because John Lennon loved that TV set. He also loved his buddy Bob Dylan. Now, Bob Dylan lived a short walk away, a bit further south in the village at 94 McDougal Street.

• 6:57Jake Brennan?

  Now, McDougal is where Bob was sitting out on a stoop when he spotted A.J. Weberman one afternoon in 1971. Bob chased him on foot over to Elizabeth Street and proceeded to beat the shit out of A.J. Weberman. Now, Elizabeth Street is where the most rock and roll movie director of all time grew up, Martin Scorsese. Marty based Mean Streets on his formative experiences in that neighborhood, like hearing the Rolling Stones' Jumpin' Jack Flash for the first time. Now, that song was released in 1968. Thirteen years later, the Rolling Stones would film a music video for another song, Waiting on a Friend, on an apartment stoop just a few blocks away at 96 St. Marx Place. 96 to 98 St.

• 7:40Jake Brennan?

  Marx is also the address of the building on the cover of Led Zeppelin's 1975 album, Physical Graffiti. Don't ask me how that happened. I don't know. I do know that this building is on the same block as 19-25 St. Marx, which is where the DOM was located. The DOM means home in Polish. The DOM was home to the Velvet Underground in 1966. It's where they brought out their whip for Andy Warhol, and it's where Jackson Brown hooked up with Nico. Nico later hooked up with Iggy Pop when Iggy first arrived in New York City in late 1969 with the Stooges. Now, if you take public transport uptown from St.

• 8:21Jake Brennan?

  Marx, about 60 or so blocks on the west side, you're going to find 210 West 70th Street. That's where Ungano's was. Ungano's was the place where Iggy Pop's Stooges set up a multi-night residency in 1970. Miles Davis lived around the corner at 312 West 77th. Miles saw those early Stooges shows. He was there. He was hanging out with them backstage, hoovering up lines of blow. Miles Davis loved the Stooges. Can you believe that? Miles was far fucking out. I can believe it. Miles's Upper West Side home was nearby Birdland, which was just south on Broadway, down on 52nd Street. Birdland is where Miles got his face beat in by a racist cop. That was in 1959. New York City took Miles's cabaret card, which effectively banned Miles from playing music live in the city. In response, Miles headed

• 9:06Jake Brennan?

  just south of Midtown to 207 East 30th and holed up in Columbia's 30th Street Studio. And when he emerged six months later, Miles Davis did so with a masterpiece, Sketches of Spain, one of the coolest albums of all time. Take that racist cop. And thus concludes our New York Sonic Youth Kool Thing Walking Tour. We hope you enjoyed it. Please remember to tip your guide on your way out. And you can do so by becoming an All-Access member of Disgrace Land. And when you do, you're gonna get Zeth and I later in this exclusive section of this here after-party discussing one of the wilder events from music history, an event that I just breezed by here. And it was that time that Bob Dylan chased down one of his stalkers and beat the piss out of him in the middle of the day, right there

• 9:49Jake Brennan?

  in downtown New York. Now, this event is part of our larger Bob Dylan Part Two story, but it's so insane, it deserves a deeper conversation. So, that's what Zeth and I are doing today in the exclusive section of this after-party. Go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up and unlock exclusive content like this, plus ad-free listening. All right, Sonic Youth. Thurston was there, man. You know it. Speaking of Bob Dylan and Thurston Moore. Hold on, I need a break. That was a lot. I kinda went for it there. You guys still with me? I hope so. I need some coffee. Hang on. I was thinking of Thurston Moore and Sonic Youth, and I was thinking of all these incredible characters at the same time in New York City. Thurston Moore saw Sid Vicious. Thurston Moore saw Sid Vicious. Where

• 10:33Jake Brennan?

  was the famous Sid show? Max's? Yes, he was there, as I put in our episode. And I just, I just love the idea that you have this, this wild connection between the modernity of Sonic Youth and the 80s downtown cool, to Sid Vicious and Nancy, to, to John Lennon, Bob Dylan, Marty Scorsese, The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin. I just, it's just fascinating to me. It's all kinda right there. It's amazing. I'm not telling anything, anybody, anything they don't know. It's just, when you put it in this context, it strikes me as being incredibly compelling.

• 11:13Jake Brennan?

  Bob Dylan moved after that event with Weberman, AJ Weberman, he moved out of New York to West Coast, to the West Coast, to Los Angeles, Malibu. That's where that part of his life started. But of course, he came back to New York. And like I said, you got Thurston Moore there in the eighties. I was imagining, as I was putting this all together in my head this morning, I was imagining Bob Dylan kicking Thurston Moore's ass. Not now, but like in 1985, like 1985 Thurston Moore, you know, back in the day Thurston Moore, Sonic Youth is just starting to take off downtown. Thurston's hot shit. Dylan's back in the city for whatever reason, and he somehow encounters Thurston, who acts douchey to Dylan.

• 11:57Jake Brennan?

  Maybe they're at Bleecker Bob's arguing over who got their hands on the vinyl copy of Sun Ra's Jazz in Silhouette first. Thurston gets cute, says something like, "You haven't written a good song since Blinded by the Light." Bob hauls off, cracks him right there in the experimental jazz section. Thurston gets up, grabs a first pressing copy of Joy Division's Unknown Pledges out the wall, and he frisbees it at Bob's head. Bob ducks, grabs a stack of Mitch Miller records from the discount bin, hurls those at Thurston, then Bob just pulls up his hoodie, ducks out onto West Third, walks away into the, uh, into the, into the New York sunset. Kinda, kinda wouldn't, wouldn't mind seeing that happen. It didn't happen. It's not gonna happen. Okay, yeah, maybe it did, we don't know about it. Anyway, where was I? Yes, Sonic Youth in the feed this week, coming up in the rewind slot.

• 12:42Jake Brennan?

  Right after this, our episode on Jeff Buckley, our classic episode on Jeff Buckley. Then next week, our new episode on Wendy O'Williams. The Wendy O'Williams episode, it's a shocking story. It's a sad episode. It's a revealing episode. It's a rock and roll episode. And kinda like this episode, it's a New York episode. New York in the 1970s. It's all about the cost, the cost that artists, real artists, sometimes have to pay. Rock and roll is a filthy fucking business, and it will break your heart if you're not careful. And when you're listening to the Wendy O'Williams episode, be thinking about her onstage antics. And think about all the shows and concerts that you've seen in your life, maybe some recently. Maybe some back in the day, who knows?

• 13:24Jake Brennan?

  And be thinking about what the craziest thing that you ever saw an artist do on stage was. That's going to be the question of the week. What's the craziest thing you've ever seen an artist do on stage? 617-906-6638. Voicemail and text, I want to know. Let me know. You might hear yourself on next week's after party. Don't go anywhere, guys. I'll be right back after this with your comments, emails, texts, voicemails, and more.

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• 14:25Jake Brennan?

  I like a story with a twist as much as anyone, but some of the best traditions don't have one. They just started and kept going. That's something that's great about Chateau St. Michelle. They've been leading Washington wine since 1967 with wines that are balanced, expressive, and easy to enjoy. Choosing the right bottle shouldn't feel complicated. It should be something you open with confidence every time. So for once, here's a story with no twist, just a good bottle. Redefine your rituals with Chateau St. Michelle.

• 14:56Speaker 04

  I'm Malcolm Gladwell, host of Smart Talks with IBM. I spoke with Dr. Laura Jayhai of Cleveland Clinic about how advanced computing is helping shorten the path from medical discovery to treatment.

• 15:09Speaker 05

  The moment that there is a compound that someone in a lab thinks it would be effective to treat a certain disease, it takes about 10 to 13 years from that moment to when that drug is on a shelf for a patient. A big part of that gap could be computationally solved. Better simulation of compounds, designing drug trials that are more efficient, that would finish faster. That was the motivation to bring computational tools and technology closer to biomedical researchers.

• 15:43Speaker 04

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• 16:04Jake Brennan?

  617-906-6638, voicemail and text. I'm in the phone booth. It's the one across the hall. I'm not hanging out with Debbie Harry. She's in a VW bug with Ted Bundy somewhere. What are we talking about? We're talking about all kinds of stuff, guys, and that's what I love about our conversation. It's all over the flipping map. It's all connected to music. It's all connected to true crime. All right, let's hear from Laura in the 585.

• 16:31Speaker 06

  Hey, this is Laura from the 585. Just had to call you out after hearing for the third time you ends up talk about the lyric Spike Jones on the Box being from The Weight. It is not. It is from Up on Cripple Creek. So anyway, you had me ranting and snare this morning while I was walking my dogs, so just wanted to call you and set the record straight. Rock and roll. Keep up the good work.

• 16:56Jake Brennan?

  Laura, you're absolutely right. I, I, I'm just going with faith here that you're right. I know this is up on Cripple Creek. That I meant, I could have mentioned The Weight. I meant up on Cripple Creek. Damn, man. We're talking a lot. We're talking a lot of shit. And, uh, yeah, we mess things up from time to time, as you know, and I appreciate the correction. Thank you, Laura. Spike Jones on the Box from the great band on their great song, The Weight, written by the Staples. And I'm kidding. I'm fucking with you. Of course, up on Cripple Creek. Thanks for the call, Laura. Let's check in with the 414.

• 17:38Speaker 07

  Hey, Jake. Oh, man, it's so very hard to narrow it down to just four musicians, but died too young. So I tried to make a list outside of the 27 Club because I feel like a lot of people know those. They're big names, but that's why Amy Winehouse and Janis Joplin are not on my list. So here we go. All right. My four would be Otis Reddick. Dwayne Allman, Patsy Cline, and the grievous angels himself, Graham Parsons. I really enjoy listening to the pod. I've been listening for many, many, many years and it's just a delight to be in this community with so many other music lovers and learn so much about stories we may not know and some that we already do. So thanks for what you do.

• 18:20Jake Brennan?

  414, thank you for this message. This is a great way to think about it. You can't, you can have a Mount Rushmore of artists who died too young and you can't use any from the 27 Club. I love that. And what a selection here too. Otis Redding, Patsy Cline, Graham Parsons and Dwayne Allman. That's, that's, I'd pay to see that. Where would we put it? Which state? All right, let's go to the 970.

• 18:45Speaker 06

  Hi Jake, just finished your Ian Watkins episode, which I wasn't really sure if I wanted to listen to knowing just the small but most awful details of the story I did. And I was surprised at how much detail you shared and I was again surprised and frankly depressed that you were able to do so tastefully, I suppose is what I want to say, though it feels odd to use that word, but more so in a way that makes it worth talking about, helpful,

• 19:22Speaker 06

  productive to talk about because I am a mental health advocate professional and I do believe that to protect the most vulnerable children, in this case, literal babies, things like this, as horrific as they are, do warrant some level of investigation and dissection.

• 19:51Speaker 06

  I'm glad he's not around anymore and I'm glad that we were able to discuss it in a way that centers the victims. Anyway, I guess like great job and thanks for sharing.

• 20:10Jake Brennan?

  All right, 978, thanks so much. Yeah, tough subject and one that I avoided for a really long time, if I'm being honest. Just the, the subject of child abuse in general is something that I, I told myself early on, I didn't want to discuss just because I didn't want my head in that space. And I'm not sure other people want their heads in that space either. But I don't know, something about the Ian Watkins thing was, was so, um, just compelled me to learn more and to learn more until finally I was like, okay, I have to write this. And I did. And I was very careful, as you could hear, and I appreciate you saying so. I was very careful with how I depicted what happened. And I was trying to be respectful

• 20:53Jake Brennan?

  to the victims. I did receive a couple of them, being honest, a couple of angry emails from folks. And I get it. And I get it. I get it. I get it. I get it. But, um, I think that these stories, even though I don't want to tell them all the time, I think they do deserve to be told. And, uh, I, I came at it hopefully with the proper level of sensitivity. All right, let's go to some texts, shall we? Lisa from the 907 writes in, hey, the blockbuster album that didn't work for me was Dirt by Alice in Chains. I have no better reason than my boyfriend and future ex-husband loved it. He ruined all grunge for me. Maybe I'll

• 21:34Jake Brennan?

  be able to appreciate it in a future decade or lifetime. But 30 years in, I still can't. Lisa from the 907. I added that bit about the lifetime Lisa just having some fun. Man, this sucks. This sucks. I would hate to have an entire genre of music ruined for me because of a shitty ex. But Lisa. I appreciate the text. Sounds like you got a good sense of humor about it. All right. Well, we get this really, I love this. I love this. I love this. I'm getting ahead of myself. This is from the 440, uh, 440 text and Matt Bowden, are you listening by the way? It says, hey, double Elvis, two suggestions for possible brackets over in Patreon, gangster movies and summer songs.

• 22:20Jake Brennan?

  Loved the themes bracket and look forward to the next one. Now, 440 is referencing the bracketology, the May madness that we had over in our Patreon regarding,

• 22:32Jake Brennan?

  uh, vintage sitcom theme songs, which that all came out of an argument that Zeth and I had in one of our podcast conversations. It was completely unplanned, but now that we've done it and we had such fun doing it, although Matt Bowden, I think he, he had to take some, a sabbatical for a little bit afterward because he put so much time and effort into it.

• 22:54Jake Brennan?

  I kind of want to do it again and I loved the, I was shocked by the, the passionate response from the disgraced land listeners and Hollywood land listeners to theme songs from television shows. And I totally get it. It's nostalgia. It's nostalgia and that really motivates folks, but I think 440, these two categories for future brackets, gangster movies and summer songs. First of all, gangster movies. I'm right in that wheelhouse right now. I'm just, I'm just consuming everything I can get my hands on. That is, that is Italian mafia. I've kind of moved beyond even all the bad shit.

• 23:33Jake Brennan?

  And now I'm kind of moving into like Chechen mafia stuff and just, it's, it's a whole sickness of mine, I guess. But summer songs is great and it's apropos, of course. I love this idea. Curious what you think. Anyone else wants to chime in? You can. I'm into it. 617-906-6638. Guys, let us know what you think. If you've got any other. Bracketology subjects you'd like us to mine. The whole thing too, just back to the sitcom music thing that we did. I've never been like a March Madness guy. I'm not into it at all. I like sports. I've just never been into college basketball. My whole family does it. They are, they're all like, and they all get the squares and all that stuff. Not me.

• 24:16Jake Brennan?

  But this year, I, I, right now, actually, I'm completely obsessed with NCAA baseball in the tournament that hap- that started two weeks ago and is still going on. We're down to the College World Series now. And I think it was the sort of bracket madness that we started. I just got it in my head and then I was like, okay, this is the thing I'm into now? Sure, why not? So it'd be fun to get into some gangster movie summer songs or something else that you guys suggest. Again, 617-906-6638. Voicemail and text to let us know. All right, the 802 text in Jake KB from the 802 first. Let me say you owning a 1968 Barracuda as a teen makes me tremendously jealous.

• 25:00Jake Brennan?

  My dream car is and always will be a 71 Hemi Cuda in black, like the one in Phantasm. My first car was a 70 Dodge Dart swinger I bought for 500 bucks in 1990. Second, Jesus build my hot rod is the best car song ever. Also, didn't know about Gibby Haynes involvement on that tune. Just had to share my thoughts on these things. Rock a roll at 802. Love it, man. You know, on the, the Hemi Cuda, first of all, great taste in the all black. Mmm, I hear you. The Dodge Dart 1970, I don't know if I mentioned this. I bought my 67 Barracuda off of my friend Dutch,

• 25:40Jake Brennan?

  who sold it to me because he had just purchased a 64 Dodge Dart with the push button transmission. Just awesome era for cars. So cool. Hey, by the way, whoever emailed me about writing a book about cars and rock and roll, I emailed you back and, you know, I know you work for a real publisher and, uh, you know, I'm, I'm interested in learning more, I should say, so get on back, all right? 216 text in, hey, the story of Glenn Schwartz from Pacific Gas and Electric is a wild one. He's a founding member that James gained and mentor to Joe Walsh. He went out west to join PG and E and enjoyed the lifestyle of a rock and roller. And then he found religion and went over the deep edge. Eventually came back here to Cleveland.

• 26:24Jake Brennan?

  And lived in his car for a while. And that car was a 1967 Plymouth Barracuda. No, I'm kidding. He'd play a bar and club shows here in the later years, often with his bass playing brother Gene, who was known to just break out into religious sermons at any given moment. Uh, Glenn Shorres, Pacific Gas and Electric. Interesting. Check that out. Thank you, 216. Appreciate it. And as always, I appreciate all of you guys. 617-906-6638. Voicemail and text at disgracelandpod on the socials [email protected]. I'm going to take a quick break. I'll be back on the other side with your emails and more.

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• 27:34Jake Brennan?

  I like a story with a twist as much as anyone, but some of the best traditions don't have one. They just started and kept going. That's something that's great about Chateau St. Michelle. They've been leading Washington wine since 1967 with wines that are balanced, expressive, and easy to enjoy. Choosing the right bottle shouldn't feel complicated. It should be something you open with confidence every time. So for once, here's a story with no twist, just a good bottle. Redefine your rituals with Chateau St. Michelle.

• 28:05Speaker 04

  Hello, hello. I'm Malcolm Gladwell, host of Smart Talks with IBM. Imagine your business depends on a system you didn't build and don't fully control. For years, it works perfectly. It's fast, reliable, affordable. So over time, more and more of your operations rely on it. Then one day, the terms change. What once felt flexible now feels difficult to leave. Moving to another provider or bringing those capabilities back under your own control could take years, cost millions, and disrupt the business in the process. That's the challenge of digital sovereignty.

• 28:44Speaker 04

  Businesses today rely on all sorts of third-party systems: cloud platforms, data pipelines, AI models, software tools. Most days, these systems operate quietly in the background. But when something changes, like costs go up or rules shift, organizations are forced to confront how much control and flexibility they actually have. So to understand the challenge up close, I traveled to Paris to speak with IBM's Anna Paola, a C and X as CIO, Giovanni Doniello, two people who think about these questions every day. Hear the full conversation at ibm.com/smarttalks or wherever you get your podcasts.

• 29:37Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys, we are back. Happy to be here. [email protected]. On the email machine, Delbert Brown sends us this email from parts unknown. What's up, discos? First and foremost is Lane Staley. But in true top five fashion, artists who make me stop and listen. Number one, Lane Staley. It's a no-brainer. Number two, Chris Cornell. Euphoria Morning is slept on. However, his entire discography is a lesson to any vocalist. Number three, Janis Joplin. She was incredible. Number four, Freddie Mercury. I don't really like Queen. Man had some pipes on them. Number five, David Bowie. Could many artists transport you from the streets to outer space? Sad, they aren't with

• 30:20Jake Brennan?

  us any longer, but we are truly lucky to be able to share the same space anytime we get to let one spin. Love your work, buds. Rock-a-rola. That's from Delbert Brown. Delbert, we appreciate your email. Thank you very much. Delbert's email comes to us in response to our George Jones episode. George Jones, he of the great country voice. And the question we asked, which artist with that golden set of pipes makes you just stop in your tracks? Sherri Wright writes to us again from parts unknown. She says, Hey, I'd love to suggest an episode on the band Uriah Heap. In the early 70s, they were the shit when it came to blend of prog and hard rock. Their album, Demons and Wizards spawned a couple of hits, including Easy Living, the

• 31:05Jake Brennan?

  track they're best known for. The lineup for that album included one of the best male rock vocalists, in my opinion. And it's a damn shame that he and the extremely talented members are largely unheard of by younger generations. Okay, Uriah Heap, I get you. I hear you. I'm gonna look into it. I can't say that I know much about Uriah Heap, except that I think Metallica was into them. Sherri, thank you for the email. We appreciate you. Lot of people writing to me about Widows Bay. I think it comes to an end this week as I'm recording this. I think so. I don't want it to end. I don't. No one else I don't want to come to an end. This film should be played loud podcasts that we're making.

• 31:47Jake Brennan?

  Every time we're doing it, I look up, it's like an hour's gone by. And I feel like we've just barely scratched the surface of what I want to talk about. We only do one of these a month and it's gotta stay that way. I'm not advocating for any more work. But I will say that I have a blast making this show. And I've said it before and I'll continue saying it, this film should be played loud as a podcast about two of my favorite things, music and movies. In the combination of the two, it discusses one movie per episode and the soundtrack that accompanies that movie, all the great needle drops, perhaps the scoring, although it's mainly needle drops that we discussed. The last episode we covered was on Royal Tenenbaums.

• 32:30Jake Brennan?

  This new episode that we're covering is on Dazed and Confused. And we covered this because Dazed and Confused is the ultimate last day of school. Let's get the hell out of here. No more teachers, no more books. Movie that you can come up with. If there's even close second, I'm all ears. Let me know. Matt, play the folks a clip and share with them what they might be missing if they're not All-Access members and copying this content, which is video content, by the way, not just audio, video. Matt, go ahead, play them a little bit. When they're chasing the freshmen through town. It's an incredible car chase. Yeah, it's awesome. It's awesome. And dude, can we talk- About that black truck they're in. Oh, it's great. That black truck is, I don't know what it is, but I just, I want that truck.

• 33:15Jake Brennan?

  Actually, a scene I want to be a part of, I want to be riding in that fucking truck is what I want to be. Yeah, in the, in the lawn chair in the back. I think it's Chevy. I can't recall. There's, my wife loves old trucks and she's trying to convince me to buy this F-350 from the 90s, which is incredible. I don't have the nostalgia for it because it's the 90s and it's literally the truck my stepfather used to drive. So I kind of do that way, but it's not like, you know? But that chase is, it's too, it's too fast on those roads. But then later, when they're actually going to the Moon Tower and they're racing, like that, that's completely authentic. We would do that all the time. It's a bigger road. Like the earlier part when they're, when they're truck chasing, they're fucking flying. Yeah. They're flying. It's crazy. It's crazy.

• 33:57Jake Brennan?

  All right, that's, this film should be played loud. It's on Dazed and Confused and that's the new episode that we have in your feed available for you now. If you are an All Access member, in order to become an All Access member, just go to disgracysampod.com and sign up. All right, guys, you don't have to sign up for Hollywood Land. Not at all. That's available for you right now, right in the Hollywood Land feed. You can follow along on iHeart or the Apple Podcasts app, wherever you want, wherever you get your podcasts, you got Hollywood Land, all right? And I'm in there giving recommendations every week with Zeph. Zeph's in there teeing up, curating your movie watching experience for the week. Old classics, new bangers, whatever you want. We got it covered. Make sure you're following Hollywood Land on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, wherever you get podcasts. Now, if you want some of that hot Bob Dylan fight action,

• 34:42Jake Brennan?

  you can also be an All Access member for that. Okay? That's coming up right now with me and Zeph. Go to disgracysampod.com to sign up to hear that conversation and unlock ad-free listening and even more exclusive content. All right, back after this.

• 35:07Jake Brennan?

  All right, we're back and I'm going to recap. But before I do that, we're going to dip into our archive here. Now, listen, we talked about so many great artists. Miles Davis, Iggy Pop, hell, even Martin Scorsese, Rolling Stones, Velvet Underground, Led Zeppelin, John Lennon, Bob Dylan. Matt will pull a couple. He'll grab the episode information for you and dump it in the show notes. So you can easily navigate through our massive archive to hear whichever of those episodes you want to hear. Now, let's recap, shall we? Number one, this week, our new episode on Sonic Youth is available for you right now. Number two, our rewind episode that you can hear right after this is on Jeff Buckley. Next week, our brand new episode will be on Wendy O'Williams. That's number three. Number four, Zethkazilos Hollywood and Crime Vibes in Hollywoodland.

• 35:52Jake Brennan?

  So make sure you are subscribed. I'm going to give you my music recommendations over in the rap party every week in the Hollywoodland feed. Number five, the current This Film Should Be Played Loud is on Dazed and Confused. And you got me an all access member to cop that. So go to disgracelandpod.com to sign up. Number six, 617-906-6638. Your voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of music history. So keep calling, texting in with your answers to this week's question of the week, or with whatever else you want to talk about. I'm around, I'm here for it. Hit me up. Number seven, do not forget Discos. This isn't just content, it's a community, a community of the obsessed. And no one cares about music books, records, and the crime and grime that ties them all together like you do. And that is a disgrace. All right. Sonic Youth's "Goo" was released on June 26, 1990.

• 36:37Jake Brennan?

  And we're talking about that date because that is the album we're talking about in this week's full episode of Disgraceland. And here is what America was listening to on that day, according to the Billboard charts. Number one, "It Must Have Been Love" from Pretty Woman by Roxette. Last week, one. Peak position, one. Weeks on Chur, 12. Number two, "Step by Step," New Kids on the Block. Last week, four. Peak position, two. Weeks on Chur, five. Number three, "Poison." Bell Biv DeVoe. Last week, three. Peak position, three. Weeks on Chur, twelve. Number four, hold on. Wilson Phillips, last week's two.

• 37:23Jake Brennan?

  Peak position, one. Weeks on Chur, fifteen. Number five, six.

• 37:43Jake Brennan?

  Quit talking and start mixing. Cut it. Hey guys, time to dust off your detective skills while unwinding in the Caribbean on Virgin Voyages' second true crime voyage. It's back by popular demand, this five-night, adults-only escape sets sail March 20th, 2027, to Grand Turk in the Beach Club at Bimini. The difference between this year and last will be that I will be on the cruise this year, along with Zeph, and he and I will be taping a live version of Disgrace Land, along with podcast hosts from Exactly Right's Buried Bones, Podcast of the Year Award winners Wisecrack, and other fan favorites. Get on this cruise with us, guys, and enjoy live podcast recordings, behind-the-scenes

• 38:26Jake Brennan?

  storytelling, exclusive meet-and-greets, and immersive true crime programming throughout this one-of-a-kind voyage. Head over to www.virginvoyages.com/trucrime to secure your spot. I like a story with a twist as much as anyone, but some of the best traditions don't have one. They just started and kept going. That's something that's great about Chateau St. Michelle. They've been leading Washington wine since 1967 with wines that are balanced, expressive, and easy to enjoy. Choosing the right bottle shouldn't feel complicated. It should be something you open with confidence every time. So for once, here's a story with no twist, just a good bottle. Redefine your rituals with Chateau St. Michelle.

• 39:09Jake Brennan?

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