Jason Kelce on Life under a microscope, new role as ESPN analyst, proud big brother, why Travis is unique, Patrick Mahomes, Taylor Swift, Andy Reid & credits his wife Kylie for being the anchor to the beautiful chaos

"I still try to be that authentic person, I think that's important for me... It makes it difficult because everything you do is under a microscope and everything you say is under a microscope..." Jason Kelce As the NFL Kicks off this week, there will be some famous football faces missing on the sidelines, notably the greatest coach of all time Bill Belichick and Super Bowl Champ & future Hall of Famer Jason Kelce. Although not too far from the sidelines, these guys are making the pivot into different roles this season analyzing the game they love vs competing for it week after week. But Jason shares with Ryan, Channing and Fred that he’s been pivoting his entire life, as it hasn’t always been the pageantry of fame, success and celebritism we see now. In this episode of The Pivot Podcast in partnership with Fanatics, Jason reflects back on the ups and downs of his football journey, his family-first mentality, his relationship with his brother Travis, meeting his wife Kylie and how he manages to stay even-keeled in the current chaos of his life. We laugh a lot and learn even more about the man behind the jolly smile we see all the time. Hard work and success has always been core to the Kelce family, but the spotlight seems to be shining the brightest now on the family. A 6th round NFL draft pick turned Super Bowl champ with a NFL career spanning 13 years including 7 Pro Bowl seasons, The former Philadelphia Eagle may be retired from football but says he’s taken on more jobs now than he’s ever had before. Preparing to work alongside Ryan for ESPN Monday Night Football Countdown each week while continuing to build his podcast empire with Travis after recently signing a deal worth over a $100M, one of the largest podcast deals done to date. Growing up in Cleveland Heights, it’s sometimes hard for Jason to imagine how two brothers not just made it to the NFL but crafted a career filled with accolades and now have taken the world by storm with their brotherly bond as their personal and professional lives are captivating not just sports fans, but everyone. Ryan asks Jason how he is handling it all and how escapes the limelight to find quiet for himself and with his wife and kids. Jason says staying true to who he is and not changing has helped balance out the expectations and lets us in on his secret getaway to block out the noise. Extremely grateful for the opportunities, Jason recognizes the positives that have come with the meteoric rise the past 2 years between the Super Bowl match up vs Travis, to Kylie and his mom becoming household favorites to their podcast taking off to his brother’s personal life dating Taylor Swift bringing them all under a different type of microscope. The trio chat about they dynamics of Jason's relationship with Travis amongst so many big changes, from his relationship with Taylor to their business endeavors as he shares with Fred, Channing and Ryan that at the grass roots, him and Travis are very similar humans with the same core values and opens up on a few of the the traits that make them different, from pop culture tastes to footwear. Jason credits his wife Kylie for impacting him in a ways he can’t put into words and says she is the anchor, holding everything down as the waters continue to wash in new things everyday. Talking football as the guys do, Jason offers a unique perspective into his own career, the Eagles, Andy Reid and on what makes Travis and Patrick Mahomes so darn special and hard to defend as the discussion of a Chiefs 3peat becomes more real as the season gets ready to kick off. And of course, Channing and Jason exchange some of their stories that make them lovable and give us all laughs. Stay tapped into all things Pivot and subscribe! As NFL season begins this week, we are bringing you all the premium content you're looking for- starting with this week's episode with one of the latest and greatest to touch a football. Big season ahead! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:30Ryan Clark?

  It's funny, the first week's matchup is Travis against, you know, obviously the Ravens defense, they went crazy last year. So it was cool, man, just to listen to how his brain works. His brain works so, so differently. My man, how you doing, man? Good to see you as well, brother. Everything's blessed, man.

• 0:47Speaker 02

  Nobody shut down Travis better than the Patriots, I'll tell you that right now.

• 0:50Speaker 03

  We tried to shut you down too, but we couldn't do it.

• 0:53Speaker 02

  Couldn't get it. You got me a few times.

• 0:54Speaker 03

  No, we couldn't. I mean, it was hard.

• 0:56Speaker 02

  I always hated playing you guys. You knew how to [bleep] the nose and everything.

• 0:59Speaker 03

  We went into every game with you and I said, what did I say?

• 1:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02Speaker 03

  Cover them up. You can't pull.

• 1:05Speaker 02

  I'm in. Good to see you, Travis.

• 1:07Ryan Clark?

  We're here.

• 1:09Speaker 02

  Coach, how you doing, man? Good to see you, man.

• 1:11Channing Crowder?

  Yes, sir.

• 1:12Ryan Clark?

  By the way, his favorite story, yeah, his favorite story about you. Appreciate you coming up. Yes, sir. Is the Matt Light story. That's his favorite story. He told it already. He told it, he told it already, dawg. You deserved to be beat up, though.

• 1:27Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. That's why I wanted to see what happened.

• 1:28Ryan Clark?

  If you ever said that to me, like, if you ever said what you said to that man to me, I'm fighting you too, bro.

• 1:32Speaker 02

  That's why I wanted to see what happened. Now we gotta fight.

• 1:36Speaker 02

  I would get on the scale and I'll be, okay, please be over 290. And over time, I think, all right, I'm good mentally today.

• 1:42Ryan Clark?

  Hey, that's the thing, too. If you go into the game light, though, you got a whole different mindset.

• 1:46Speaker 02

  I'm cramming water, all the power bars I can. I'm like, okay, I gotta add two pounds for this game.

• 1:51Channing Crowder?

  When Zach Thomas used to weigh in and height preseason, he wouldn't stop moving. He'd step on the scale, step off and say 220.

• 2:00Channing Crowder?

  And then the height thing, he'd just walk past and say 5'11".

• 2:05Ryan Clark?

  It didn't matter. He was gonna make 20 tackles a game either way.

• 2:07Speaker 02

  Monster.

• 2:08Ryan Clark?

  It did not matter, bro.

• 2:09Speaker 02

  He sold 100 tackles for me. He owe me some money. It's my gap, Zach. Stop.

• 2:16Ryan Clark?

  You ready to roll, brother?

• 2:17Speaker 02

  Let's do it.

• 2:18Ryan Clark?

  Let's get it, man. See if we can get you back home. Hey, man, can we start the show?

• 2:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, sorry, sorry.

• 2:21Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, you know, saying, you know. Stop being so popular, dawg.

• 2:26Fred Taylor?

  Your daughter's got a favorite Taylor song?

• 2:29Speaker 02

  So, right now, I've been listening a lot to the "I Can Do It With A Broken Heart", the new one.

• 2:35Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 2:36Speaker 02

  And Ellie, right now, there's a line in that where "I'm a real tough kid, I can handle my shit", and Ellie's three years old, so when she says, "I'm a real tough kid, I can handle my stuff",

• 2:48Speaker 02

  that's all I hear on a daily basis, because it gets a laugh out of me every time.

• 2:51Fred Taylor?

  I know, I can imagine.

• 3:06Speaker 02

  How we doing?

• 3:07Ryan Clark?

  Good, brother. What's happening?

• 3:08Speaker 02

  Real good. I don't know, just kinda rolling, getting ready for Monday night. I'm excited, nervous too.

• 3:15Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, you ain't gotta be nervous.

• 3:16Speaker 02

  I'm just, I think you're always nervous until you actually do something, right? I don't know. Were you nervous?

• 3:24Ryan Clark?

  If it matters to you, yes. If it matters to you, I think you're nervous. When I host now, I'm nervous.

• 3:34Speaker 02

  Still?

• 3:34Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, but as an analyst, eventually, it kinda goes away.

• 3:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's definitely an easier job on the analyst.

• 3:41Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 3:41Speaker 02

  All right, my turn to talk. Laying on me sky.

• 3:44Ryan Clark?

  Easy, easy.

• 3:45Speaker 02

  I can do that.

• 3:46Ryan Clark?

  It too.

• 3:47Speaker 02

  Facilitate everything. You're more kinda going with the flow of it, right?

• 3:51Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 3:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. He took on more jobs after football. You're not lying. Why?

• 3:57Speaker 02

  I can't not be busy, otherwise I'll go crazy. I need something to do and something to strive for. I think that that's like something that I need just psychologically. And there's a lot of opportunities and you don't know how many, how long those opportunities are going to be there. You can sit things out and still go back and do them. And I think you want to capitalize on the moment and in the, in the, you know, momentum that's been built up. But at the same time, you know, we are retired and trying, trying to spend more time with the family and the kids. So that's a tight rope I'm walking right now.

• 4:29Ryan Clark?

  Well, the voice you hear in the face, I'm sure everybody is familiar with is Jason Kelsey. Super Bowl champion Jason Kelce, six-time All-Pro Jason Kelce, seven-time Pro Bowler Jason Kelce, media darling Jason Kelce, smaller belly Jason Kelce. This is Fred Taylor, Channing Crowder, I'm Ryan Clark. Welcome to the Pivot, a part of Fanatics and Pivot fam. Thank you for pivoting with us. I mean, you kind of got into it already, Jay, and you have created these amazing opportunities for yourself. You had been a great football player for 11 years, a Hall of Fame level football player. But it does seem like the

• 5:13Ryan Clark?

  last two years of your career, there was this meteoric rise in celebrity. And now we see you everywhere. You're working. I worked with you at ESPN. We're just parading you around. You're our new toy, right? Like you've got me indoors and at dinners that I've never been in. I've been there for a decade. But for you, how, how are you though, handling the juggling of this new life now?

• 5:38Speaker 02

  Um, I don't know. I'm just kind of trying to not do much different, if I'm being honest. And it's hard, you know, I think.

• 5:47Speaker 02

  There's a lot of advantages and a lot of benefits and the last two years have been very, you know, it's been a very quick climb to where it's at now. And I've always been appreciated in Philadelphia where I played, like I've always had, like, people walk around, I've always been an offensive lineman that people know, which is rare for offensive linemen. So I've always been appreciated in this city, but now it's much more on a national scale. And part of that's obviously because of the show with Travis and I. The first year we started it, we both go to the Super Bowl, we're playing each other in the Super Bowl, my mom's in the Super Bowl. That took it off and then obviously you continue it on, so it builds another year of momentum.

• 6:29Speaker 02

  My brother's love life brings another set of fan base and people interested in our lives. So it is at a higher level than it's ever been and it's happened very quickly and it's opened a lot of doors, like we were just talking about, like there's a lot of opportunities to do things. For me, I don't really try to do that much different. I try to just keep living my life, really stay grounded in my family and my kids and the things that I've been doing that have allowed me to be successful to this point. But you also try and see what is happening now and you know, what sounds like something that's fun and creative and cool and something you'd like to do and you kind of roll with it as it goes.

• 7:11Fred Taylor?

  I like to say, we're not officially retired. I like to call it career change.

• 7:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:16Fred Taylor?

  I love what you're doing and I think you're gonna be great at it because you know what it takes, first and foremost. What retirement feels like is when you sit on your wallet.

• 7:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:23Fred Taylor?

  And your hip starts to hurt.

• 7:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:25Fred Taylor?

  That's what real retirement feels like. Feel me? But you said something interesting, you said you don't know if you can stay away long enough because you don't know if you can get back to it.

• 7:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:37Fred Taylor?

  Are you potentially thinking about coming back? Is that a sign? Cause you look good.

• 7:42Speaker 02

  I feel good. I'm probably too light, maybe if somebody wants me to tight end, I could come back. You know, I probably carried out two to three years longer than maybe, yeah, I've been thinking about this for a while. It's not like just retired on the spot. It was really hard to do the last two to three years with where my body's at mentally and it became a point, especially this last year, where it's very apparent my body is starting to shut down.

• 8:17Speaker 02

  You know, Wednesday practices, you know, we do this drill.

• 8:22Speaker 02

  Kind of prepare you for a bull rush.

• 8:25Speaker 02

  You never want to go into a game without having to stop a bull rush at least once that week in practice. That's the way I like, I need to feel that, anchor down and feel that balance. And we always do this drill on Wednesdays, push, pull, guy grabs you by the shoulder pads, pushes you and you have to sit down, anchor your hips without your hands. And we would do it on Wednesdays and my hips don't work on Wednesdays anymore. Like it just doesn't happen. And I'm like, this is not good. And it got to that point and I think I probably, the reason I was able to get two to three years out was, you know, the league has changed a lot. You know, I didn't have to practice a lot on Wednesdays the last three years really. They would give me a lot of reps off, which is very different than earlier in the career

• 9:08Speaker 02

  where you're doing all the reps in practice, all the walkthrough things. They took those reps off of me and preserved me for the game, which allowed me to play at a high level and feel good still. But then now of a sudden that's not working and I don't feel good. And I gotta do more and more and it's, it wears on you mentally, it wears on you physically. And it's, and that's why ultimately, you know, I don't think I could do another one.

• 9:35Speaker 02

  And then also, you know, I still ended playing at a good level. I don't want to stay longer and then get to a point where like now I'm committed to this, but I'm not the player that I enjoy. Right. Playing the game. That's kind of, so no, I don't think I'm going to come back.

• 9:56Speaker 02

  I just don't see that happening for multiple reasons now.

• 9:59Ryan Clark?

  You gonna owe some folks a lot of money.

• 10:02Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 10:03Ryan Clark?

  You go back and play football.

• 10:05Speaker 02

  For sure. And I'm gonna have to eat tons of cheese steaks to get back up to the right weight.

• 10:12Channing Crowder?

  Thinking about physically, like you could feel when you can't, like you saying, you can't pull as fast.

• 10:15Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 10:16Channing Crowder?

  You can't lank her down and all.

• 10:17Speaker 02

  It might not have been apparent watching the tape, but you as a player know.

• 10:20Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 10:21Speaker 02

  You can feel it.

• 10:21Channing Crowder?

  Especially if you're on a high level.

• 10:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, and like you feel it when you hit somebody. It's like, man, I just don't have that, that, you know, that pop that I had. And it had been going down, but last year I think was a significant moment where you're like, okay.

• 10:35Channing Crowder?

  And what about the mental side though? Cause you said like the last couple of years it took off, new heights took off. And then you had the show on Prime Video and all that.

• 10:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:42Channing Crowder?

  Mentally, did that, did that give you any kind of solace in knowing that, okay, there's something after football? Because you played it since you were a kid, your whole family, you're a football family.

• 10:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:52Channing Crowder?

  The mental side of retiring.

• 10:54Speaker 02

  Well, I do think, listen, anybody that has options outside of football is gonna make, it's gonna be an easier decision to retire. Like Brandon Brooks, really good friend of mine, outstanding player, retired probably when he could have kept going. But he really knew that he wanted to, you know, go into grad school, go into Wharton, uh, and go into the finance sector. And he had a very clear vision of what he wanted to do at football. And I think that made the decision easier. Now, I still think he retired because he was done playing football, but that does make the decision easier. But I don't think, you know, I've really tried to limit it to, yeah, I know that once the football decision, retire is done, it's done. You know, the podcast stuff is, the opportunities that are there have, are beneficial and it does make it easier.

• 11:39Speaker 02

  But I don't think that I retired because that's there, if that makes sense. I think I retired just because I don't, more because of the football side.

• 11:47Channing Crowder?

  You don't want the big bastards.

• 11:48Speaker 02

  Pretty much. I'm tired of wrestling motherfuckers every single day. I'm tired.

• 11:53Ryan Clark?

  That's it. You know, you, uh, you wrestle now with your family.

• 11:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:58Ryan Clark?

  You know, you mentioned being able to spend more time. I have a question, bro. Like, you're a handsome guy. You were in, voted like one of the sexiest men on the planet.

• 12:07Speaker 02

  That was more like a joke.

• 12:08Ryan Clark?

  At one time. So it couldn't have been hard to, to date. You were in the NFL. I mean, you have that going for you. Bro, why the hell was you on Tinder?

• 12:18Speaker 02

  It was fun. Yeah, I mean, you're, you're, I'm young, I'm single. You know, you're, you're just having fun. I don't know, I lived in the city. I'd go out all the time. I mean, when you're young, you can go out. I can go to practice after being out till, you know, 2, 3 in the morning and function just fine, so.

• 12:39Ryan Clark?

  That, that, that no longer lasts either. That's not a thing anymore either.

• 12:42Speaker 02

  I remember, yeah, I can't, definitely can't do that. And then I remember Brent Selick telling me one time, like, he's like, "Man, I feel like crap. I ate, I drank this milkshake last night." And I'm like, "Yeah, it's not the football that makes you feel like crap, it's the milkshake. What are you talking about, bro?" And then I ate some ice cream and then went out to practice. The next day, I was like, "Oh shit." I think Selick was on to something. Like, "I feel terrible today." So you, yeah, you find out that, you know, eventually you can't just eat and do whatever you want. But early in your career, you can. And I lived down in the city of Philadelphia, Old City. And I'd walk around, go to different bars, restaurants, and swipe Tinder and try and have fun.

• 13:23Speaker 02

  And it didn't last long, because I met my wife, and then that was that.

• 13:28Ryan Clark?

  But you met your wife on Tinder and you fumbled the date. One of the best centers.

• 13:33Speaker 02

  For sure.

• 13:33Ryan Clark?

  And the history of the game falls to sleep on the woman of his dreams. A woman that he thought was so captivating.

• 13:42Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 13:43Ryan Clark?

  He called for a second date.

• 13:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:45Ryan Clark?

  How did you fall asleep on the date? And what was the call like? Like, say, "Boo, you know, like, I know we swiped on each other and you came to meet me and the homies."

• 13:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:55Ryan Clark?

  "I poured up a little bit, but I would love to do it again."

• 13:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, something like that. Yeah, I mean, so we met up after the Eagles holiday party from that year. So Jeffrey Lurie throws a Christmas party, holiday party every year, and we had already been tuned up from that party. So we were going to the billiard spot, Buffalo Billiards in Old City. Afterwards, it's like a, you know, just hang out and have fun. So we met up after all that. So I think she understood that this was something that was set in place long before we were even gonna meet up and all this stuff was gonna happen. So we agreed to go on a second date. And I was captivated with her, though, and I, I don't, like...

• 14:38Speaker 02

  I feel like if, uh, if she wouldn't have been a Buffalo Billiards, maybe I wouldn't have remembered Buffalo Billiards at all. But somehow something I snapped out of it and I still remember that moment still of her walking through that door. Um, I don't remember a lot from that night, but I remember that. And then, um, apparently Bo Allen had to carry me home. But yeah, it was a, not the best first impression.

• 14:59Channing Crowder?

  I'm just saying this, I know Bo.

• 15:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:01Channing Crowder?

  If Bo has to carry you, you in bad shape, bro.

• 15:04Speaker 02

  For sure. And I think I was, he said I was fighting him every step of the way. I was just like making it harder and harder for him and he was dropping me and, ah, yeah, so.

• 15:12Channing Crowder?

  I don't know what, how a Tinder works.

• 15:14Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 15:15Channing Crowder?

  But you were just swiping. What, why was that swipe different than the other swipes?

• 15:21Speaker 02

  Well, the first swipe, she was the most beautiful person I ever seen on the app. So that's why it was different right away. But then you start messaging and you start talking and you're vibing and you're like, oh, this girl's really cool. And then you, you meet in person the first night, not a lot of discussion, right? I'm in bad shape. Um, but then you, you keep, you know, we went out on a second date. Um, uh, went ice, ice skating, uh, you know, and then we just kept hanging out and the more you talk in person, the more you really realize that there's a lot of like common values and, and, and, and, and principles and, uh, the things that we both want out

• 16:04Speaker 02

  of life, uh, are matching up. And that's when it really starts to be like, okay, I think she's really, really different. Not just the other stuff.

• 16:13Channing Crowder?

  Do you open at some point with your shirtless body? Cause I've seen you more without a shirt on than I ever wanted to in my life. You seem like you like to take your shirt off.

• 16:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, I might've been shirtless the first night. I don't remember, but there's a decent chance.

• 16:26Channing Crowder?

  What is it, Bob's Billiards?

• 16:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. Buffalo Billiards, Buffalo Billiards. I don't know that they would let me with the shirt off there, but, um, yeah, I don't know at what point the shirt came off. I know, I don't even know if I should, I know I've like, uh, I embarrassed myself the second date too. Cause we're going ice skating and I'm tying my skates and the moment I sit down, a fart squeezed out.

• 16:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, not good, not good guys. And luckily she laughed at that. He said squeezed out. And it ain't like that happens all the time. Like I'm not like, I'm not like a, you know, a repetitive fart or whatever. I don't know, but um, I don't, it was so embarrassing and she laughed. I was like, alright, we're gonna be fine. She can laugh at that, we'll be good.

• 17:13Fred Taylor?

  I think that's a really dope story, man. All of us in the NFL, right? We all have moments in our lives where we, we go hard. Like we out party and just having a good time, probably doing stuff excessively, as you mentioned, try to get to practice and make it through.

• 17:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:29Fred Taylor?

  But we always find that, that, that one person that sort of helps us slow down and changes it. We're all girl dads, right? So my daughter, she melted my heart and that was the one thing that slowed me down.

• 17:40Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 17:41Fred Taylor?

  Right? Your wife? How did she make you better?

• 17:45Speaker 02

  My wife, um, first of all, everything you just said, like, when you're, when you're on your own, everything you do, not everything, but a lot of what you do is just, you know, intrinsically what you want. And, and, and it's very much a lifestyle and you're going out and doing things that, that give you joy and give you satisfaction and give you purpose and, and, and entertainment. What my wife did for me, and I think sports does this too, but nothing does it like a spouse, is ultimately, you know, everything that you're doing

• 18:29Speaker 02

  comes under the lens of us both and what am I doing to fulfill her? And what am I doing to make her happy and to give her entertainment? So the moment, you know,

• 18:44Speaker 02

  What she's done for me has really caused me to look outside myself and to really focus on that aspect, on how can I, you know, get the most, what's the purpose of life? And what's the purpose of a marriage? And, you know, I don't think it happens consciously. I need to look back and it's like, man, I'm like such a different person now than I was before I met Kylie. And that magnifies when you have children, because, I mean, children are even, I mean, they would die if you weren't there. They'll just walk out and, you know, drown. My daughter would drown in the pool if I wasn't sitting there with her. Like, she just walks in, like, I'm like, you know you can't swim, why are you walking in the pool? I think that's the number one thing.

• 19:26Speaker 02

  She's made me a more compassionate, a more empathetic, a better person, just in general. And that's carried over to everything else.

• 19:37Ryan Clark?

  You are not a meathead.

• 19:38Speaker 02

  I think I am.

• 19:40Ryan Clark?

  And I say that because you're, all of your, like, pictures in every program, or your pictures for each year, your headshots, it's like meathead pictures, it's like a progression of meatheadedness, right? But, listening to you, there's so much depth, and I think that is, to me, one of the coolest parts of New Heights. It was, you still had your fun, you still talked about ball, but it was people understanding how much depth you had. And then there's like this joy that we always see, right? And I got to see an intensity though, when you, as you played, watching you on the sideline Monday Night Footballs.

• 20:19Ryan Clark?

  But, you know, dude, like, you're like defensive MVP in high school, you don't get a scholarship, you change positions, you're the 30th O lineman drafted, you tear your ACL, I think, in 13. Like, it seems like this total pageantry all the way to being named the king for your life, but it really wasn't that.

• 20:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:39Ryan Clark?

  When you were in like some of those situations, some of the adverse situations, what were the things you leaned on to get through those and continue to be, at least outwardly, would always seem like a positive upbeat dude?

• 20:53Speaker 02

  Well... You know, I think I've been very fortunate to be surrounded by really good people. And I've been very fortunate to be surrounded by people that believed in me. Even when like circumstances and adversity and things start you make you start to question that. In the NFL, I had Jeff Stoutland when I had a really bad year in 2016. And I've talked about this openly in my retirement speech and before.

• 21:18Speaker 02

  It was a rough year for me and I didn't know if I'd be back in Philly. I didn't know what was gonna happen. And the one guy that like really believed that I could fix it was Stout. So that helps reinforce in my head like, alright. At least this guy believes in me. And if he's believing in me, he's an expert off in the line coach, like he knows something.

• 21:35Speaker 02

  And I think I was very fortunate to have people that believed in me my whole life. I had Stout in the NFL. I had Paul Longo in college. I had Howard Mudd when I first got to the NFL when I was an undersized guy who had coached Jeff Saturday. I had my mother and father growing up.

• 21:51Speaker 02

  I had high school coaches. I had a band teacher Brett Baker. Like it might seem stupid, but like the jazz ensemble in Cleveland Heights was like a big deal. At least for the band kids. And we would tour during spring break and battle other jazz bands.

• 22:07Speaker 02

  And I'm a freshman and they don't let freshmen into the jazz ensemble. But Mr. Baker like asked me to be in the jazz ensemble, right? So like there's it's a confidence builder, right? So I always had people that like for some reason had faith and belief in me. There's always been people that have also doubted me. And this is something that Jim Schwartz told me is like. The best predictor of success in the NFL is guys that are very self-aware. So like if you think you're the best thing ever and you're not, you ain't gonna pan out. And if they think you're terrible and you're not terrible, you're not gonna pan out. It's the guys that like really know who they are and how good they are, where they're weak at, what they need to do to get better.

• 22:49Speaker 02

  And I think that I have always been able to like block out stuff that I think doesn't offer any type of benefit to listen to. Or like, hey, you know, I hear that and say that guy's got a point. Maybe if I do this differently, I can correct that. Or like, I think I'm very good at like. Navigating that noise and that's helped me progress through the adversity through the years. You know, it's, I've been very self-aware throughout my career.

• 23:17Channing Crowder?

  Just coming up to RC's point, coming up, you hear you were running back and linebacker.

• 23:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:22Channing Crowder?

  Walk-on to Cincinnati.

• 23:23Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 23:24Channing Crowder?

  Transition to O-line, like, was this strategic?

• 23:27Speaker 02

  No.

• 23:27Channing Crowder?

  Was it God? Like, you just, you just started getting fatter, like?

• 23:30Speaker 02

  No, Paul Longo, it was strategic by Paul Longo. So, we, I got very fortunate. I committed to Cincinnati under Mark Dantonio. Mark Dantonio, first year, and I was a walk-on linebacker. I played for Pat Narduzzi, who's now at Pittsburgh, I think, still. And they called me Dick Buckus that year, because I was like an old-school, I couldn't, like, I couldn't fucking cover a pass to save my life. I'm just like, let me, where's my gap? I'm gonna hit this thing like a missile. The starting center screaming like, Kelce, I got a stinger. I'm like, I don't care. Tackled the starting running back in like a scout team drill. Like, that's not supposed to happen. I'm just being ridiculous. But, so Mark leaves, goes to Michigan State, and

• 24:15Speaker 02

  we hire a coach, Brian Kelly, who comes in, and they want to run a different offense. They want to run a more spread, you know, you, you, smaller offensive line, zone-based. Before, it was all these big guys and power football. The strength coach he brought with him, Paul, had been a strength coach at Iowa, had been a strength coach at Central Michigan, and he was, he loved project guys. He loved taking guys that were like borderline athletic at this position they were at, and making them like a standout athleticism guy at a different position. And he was very good at transforming guys. He did it with Joe Staley in San Francisco, same, same strength coach moved him. And...

• 24:57Speaker 02

  I had never thought I was gonna play offensive line and I'm just sitting there doing a winter workout, trying to get a scholarship.

• 25:03Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 25:03Speaker 02

  And Paul says, you know, I think you'd make a good center.

• 25:09Speaker 02

  And I'm like, ha, I kinda laughing, I'm like, ha, like, what are you, this is dude talking about? Like, I'm not playing center. There's no chance. Like, I'm 230 pounds. What am I doing? I'm gonna play center? And that spring, man, I played like four days at linebacker. And of course, it's before you put the pads on, so I'm not looking good in the, it's a lot of pass-heavy offense.

• 25:35Speaker 06

  You're not a 7-on-7.

• 25:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, the 7-on-7 is not going well. I'm tackling running backs in like 1-on-1s just so they can't make it. Like, it's like, that's pass interference, Jason. I'm like, alright, I got you.

• 25:45Speaker 02

  So, they moved me and I played pretty well. I was mad that they told me that like three days in. I'm like, dude, cuz I had put some weight on my freshman year. I was like 250 at one point over the winter because I'm not playing, I'm just drinking and eating a bunch of food. Lost a bunch of weight, went back down to 230, and then like, hey, we're gonna move you. So I was like, why couldn't you guys have told me this before I lost all this weight?

• 26:08Speaker 02

  But I do well that spring. They say they wanna keep me at center. And I don't remember if I was telling the, if I told this to Brian Kelly or Jeff Quinn, the offensive line coach. But they said, you know, we wanna keep you at center. I'm like, well, guys, I'm not gonna just stay here, put on, you know, 60 pounds for free. Like, I'll just go walk on somewhere else. So they said, well, we'll give you a scholarship the next year. We can't do it this year cuz we're, we have to wait till the next semester. We're all booked up on scholarships, so this semester, but we'll give you one the next semester if you agree to move. So.

• 26:41Fred Taylor?

  What is it about the, uh, the sixth round of the draft? I mean,

• 26:45Speaker 02

  Tom Brady?

• 26:46Fred Taylor?

  Antonio Brown, yourself, Tom Brady, uh, Terrell Davis.

• 26:51Speaker 02

  TD's sixth round?

• 26:52Fred Taylor?

  TD's sixth round. Hall of Famer, Hall of Famer, Hall of Famer. And we don't know what AB is gonna do, but he's definitely a Hall of Fame caliber player. What is it about the sixth round? How was your, your, the moments up to the draft and going through that entire process?

• 27:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, I didn't know where I was gonna get picked. You know, I was, I got, um, I guess to rewind, I was an undersized guy. I was already undersized, so I knew I was already eliminated from a number of teams' draft boards, probably just on the style of player I was. And to make matters worse, at the combine, I got appendicitis. I thought it was a stomach flu at the time, but it was actually appendicitis. So I'm literally in that big room in the railroad or whatever with the train in there. I'm going meeting with coaches, straight to the bathroom to puke or go out the other end. Seriously. Like all the, and I'm like, dude, what is happening? And I go out, for some reason

• 27:46Speaker 02

  I ate sushi. All comes up. Like just, I'm very smart back then. So I weigh in at 280 pounds. And I'm like, dude, I might have just lost getting drafted. And the next day, thankfully, I feel a little bit better. And it stopped coming out of both ends. And I'm like, okay, I'm gonna go out here and I'm gonna run. I'm gonna do it. Because this is the only way I'm gonna salvage anything from this experience, is at least go show them that I'm more athletic than all these guys. So I got out there, run, run well. Still not, I think I could have got better on my 40, but I do well. It's a good combine performance.

• 28:30Speaker 02

  And then four days after that, or that next week, happened, started happening again. This time I go to the emergency room and they're like, we gotta do an emergency appendectomy. You're got a perforated appendix and we gotta take that out. So I didn't know what was gonna happen in the draft. Like initially, before all that, I'm like, man, I think I can go like fourth round. Like I've seen where the other centers are. You know, I'm not gonna go above Rodney Hudson and the bigger name guys, but I could sneak up into like, you know, third or fourth round. But after that experience, I'm like, I'm just kinda hoping I get drafted at this point. Like I don't, like it's a big question mark. And

• 29:07Speaker 02

  First day goes by, you're not even, you know, you're still watching, you're like, maybe some, no chance. Second day, get through the third round, and I'm like, alright, we're hoping. And then, as the rounds start going by, you get to the sixth, and I mean, I really might not get drafted. I don't know. Like, the Chiefs were one of the teams that were interested in me, and they drafted Rodney Hudson early. St. Louis, I don't know if they, they were the only other team besides the Eagles. Those are the three, like, official visits I had. So those are the three teams where I'm like, if I'm gonna go somewhere, it's gonna be here. The only other team that did anything with me is, uh, New England worked me out as a fullback. Yeah. I'm watching the draft, and I see that the Eagles got two picks back-to-back, and they had already taken two linemen. So I'm like, it might not work

• 29:51Speaker 02

  out for the Eagles. Like, how many interior linemen are they gonna draft this year? Luckily, I get a call from 215, and it's Andy Reid, and, you know, right away, you know, he's telling me, hey, we're, we got this next pick, we're gonna pick you at this 191. Uh, has anything happened to you? You hurt? You getting any injuries or car accidents? I'm like, no, coach, I'm good. Everything's fine. And, uh, he starts telling me who he's gonna hand the, he's like, I'm gonna hand the photo to the general manager, Harry Roseman, then I'm gonna hand it to the offensive coordinator, uh, Marty Morningwig, then I'm gonna hand it to, um, the O-line coach, Howard Mudd. And, uh, he's like, you got that? And I was like, yeah, I got that. He's like, alright, what did I just say? And I'm like, coach, I don't, I don't know. Because everything's processing so crazy.

• 30:35Speaker 02

  Your dad's crying in front of you, because now it's been announced at this point. And I'm trying to process all this stuff. And Andy said, you know, well, you're gonna have to do better. There's gonna be like 70,000 people staring at you on game day. You gotta keep your capo shirt. I'm like, he's already testing me. But, um, so that was, that was drafting.

• 30:51Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, I, it's so much there that I can use to follow up. The one thing jumped out was the sushi.

• 30:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:57Fred Taylor?

  It brings, it brings me to an episode of New Heights that I was watching, when you talked about the hot dog isn't a sandwich. And you were very passionate in breaking down why a hot dog isn't a

• 31:07Speaker 02

  sandwich.

• 31:07Fred Taylor?

  Because I would take you more for a hot dog person than a burger person, not sushi, Jason.

• 31:12Speaker 02

  Uh, listen, I like all three. I like food in general. I'll, I'll get down with all of it. I'll, I'll eat, I've, I've eaten caviar, uh, and bull testicles. So I'm, I go in a far, a far range of what I've consumed.

• 31:23Fred Taylor?

  Hold up, bull nuts.

• 31:24Speaker 02

  So I own 20, uh, cows in southeast Missouri, uh, Cabo Cane, uh, and, uh,

• 31:33Speaker 02

  We have like a castration day at the farm, right? So I go down there and I'm gonna castrate my own animals, because that's my job, which is an experience in itself. And they had a fire going and they're starting to put the testicles on the fire. And I mean, I had to try one of them.

• 31:53Ryan Clark?

  I mean, you didn't, you actually didn't have to try them.

• 31:57Speaker 02

  You're right.

• 31:58Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, that's like, and that's all too though, man, like, that's your animal. That's like naming your cow like Meatball.

• 32:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:04Ryan Clark?

  Because you know eventually.

• 32:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, we named one of them Kale. Yeah. Because we thought that's a funny juxtaposition.

• 32:10Ryan Clark?

  You.

• 32:11Speaker 02

  Breeding Kale here.

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• 32:28Ryan Clark?

  When we walked in today, Bill Belichick.

• 32:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:31Ryan Clark?

  Is outside and I'm always fascinated when greats get around each other. Obviously, many feel the greatest coach to have ever coached in the NFL and accomplishments say so.

• 32:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:43Ryan Clark?

  He says, every game we played against the Philadelphia Eagles, we game planned for you.

• 32:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:49Ryan Clark?

  I told the coaches, make sure we have somebody right in front of him at the nose. If he tries to pull, I want you to grab him. To hear the greatest coach of all time say amongst all the players on the Philadelphia Eagles, the number one priority in the game plan was stopping Jason Kelce. How does that feel?

• 33:11Speaker 02

  It feels good. No, I mean, I think, you know, to know that you're affecting the opposing team's game plan, knows that you're an integral piece of what's making your offense successful. And I don't know if that's, you know, I don't know how many offensive linemen were game planned like that. I don't know.

• 33:27Fred Taylor?

  Zero.

• 33:27Speaker 02

  Zero?

• 33:28Fred Taylor?

  Zero.

• 33:29Speaker 02

  Maybe, but I mean, listen, that speaks to one, I had a great strength there. I also like blocking a head up, big nose guard probably wasn't my strength, especially if this is a man up mono, mono, straight ahead block. Events. Events.

• 33:44Speaker 02

  And I used to tell Stout, I mean, can I still pull if he's head up? He's like, the guard can still go get him. Let me get out of here. I'm the better man. We got Landon Dicker. He's 360. Let him block this guy. Let me go get this linebacker right here. But no, it feels really, really good to know that you're respected in that way, or that you're a perceived player of that caliber, that you're one of the keys to stopping something the other team's doing.

• 34:07Ryan Clark?

  Jay, like, you know, you mentioned 2016.

• 34:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:11Ryan Clark?

  You'd already been to a Pro Bowl by then.

• 34:14Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 34:14Ryan Clark?

  I think you went with 14?

• 34:16Speaker 02

  I went in 2014.

• 34:17Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, you went 2014.

• 34:18Speaker 02

  And I actually went, it's kind of, this is the way the Pro Bowl works too, and you know. Like, my year, I probably should have gone 2013. I was really good that year. 2014, I was okay, but I think I probably got in from the year before. 2016, I got into the Pro Bowl, and it was probably my worst season in the NFL.

• 34:36Ryan Clark?

  What was it about that season?

• 34:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:38Ryan Clark?

  That made it so tough? You said you didn't play well, but it was Stout that believed in you, that helped you sort of come out of that. What was it about that season that was different from all the rest, when, I mean, it's at least public perception, and when I cut the film on, was stellar play at the position?

• 34:53Speaker 02

  I think it's, there's a few factors. One, we were going out of the no-huddle Chip Kelly era, and we were going back to a huddle offense with Doug Peterson. And when you're in no-huddle, it neutralizes a lot of the power that D-line men play with, right? So you're less worried about that. And I think, over three years of doing that type of offense, had just developed, quite frankly, bad technique, because I didn't have to deal with bull rush. Like, when you're going on the ball over and over and over again, a D-line ain't bull rushing you. He's gonna try and work an edge, and so you do different techniques, and I'm playing high with wide hands, because it works for a guy trying to get on your edge, but it's not good for somebody coming right down the middle of you. So I think

• 35:36Speaker 02

  that was part of it. I think, too, it was just, you know, a different offense. It was a different system that I hadn't really ironed out yet. I had a lot of holding calls, in part because I was too out in front of the running back, so a linebacker could undercut me, right? And then, when he undercuts me, I reach back, and that's a holding call, right? We're doing more runs out of gun, so all of a sudden, with where the back's at, I can't go as far in this nose, because I can overreach him. And then, if I overreach him, then I'm holding him. You know, and when the back's in dot, right under center... It's hard to overreach somebody like he's already past that guy if he tries to back

• 36:17Speaker 02

  to you. So a lot of those things crept up. And I think also I was just getting back into a heavier, stronger player that is needed in more of a traditional huddling offense.

• 36:32Ryan Clark?

  How much doubt did you have that you could get back to the play that sort of set you up to be a pro bowler after trying to adjust to all those things? Was there ever a moment in your head, you was like, you know, man, I was a six round draft pick, you know, I have torn my ACL, you know, I am undersized.

• 36:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, the first two weeks, I was like, what is this? So it's really, I say the 2016 season, really the only games I'm upset with from that season are the first two. We got things fixed relatively quickly, but as you know, if you start off with a narrative and you struggle, it's gonna be bad. We played the Browns early on. Danny Shelton beat the crap out of me. I mean, I was playing with hands out here, I'm high, I'm not, I was, the technique was atrocious. When I go back and watch, I'm like, what the heck was I doing? Seriously, I'm like, I'm playing a guy who outweighs me and I'm letting him have my chest and get lower than me? What, like, there's no strategy that that works in, right? Then

• 37:35Speaker 02

  we played the Chicago Bears. Akeem Hicks spikes long sticks one time, sends me back, I can't grab the ground. I still think I wore the wrong cleats. And after those two weeks, I get out of those cleats. You're in that mode, you're like, bro, I gotta fix these cleats, I gotta get, I changed my helmet. I changed my helmet because I'm like, man, this one's a little bit closer to my face, maybe if I get it out here. So I'm doing all of it, right? You're throwing everything there.

• 38:00Ryan Clark?

  It had nothing to do with you, it was like, it's...

• 38:02Speaker 02

  But Stout is like, dude, we gotta, we're working all, all, all those two weeks. After that, we really started to focus on, you know, get your hands underneath, get them inside, proper footwork, be in a position to, to, to strike with power, all this stuff. So we're doing all this stuff. And we played the Steelers the next week. And...

• 38:22Speaker 02

  I actually think I played fucking really good against the Steelers. I think I'm balling. And I look at the, you know, you look at the great afterwards now the PFF is out and you're like, "Man, I thought I played great and these guys are saying I'm still shitty." So I'm like, I don't know what's going on. But after those two weeks and then after that Steelers game, I settled into the new offense a lot better. I was utilizing better technique. And then with the full offseason of doing that and continuing that with Stout, it took off the following season.

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• 39:19Channing Crowder?

  And being a, honestly, Hall of Fame offensive lineman, right? And I tell people, people always ask me about transition to the league. What's the difference? They want me to bring up a receiver or running back. I bring up Jonathan Ogden and Steve Hutchinson and Will Shields and them linemen that do it. Do y'all have the same impact on the organization like those skilled positions do? Do they, would they come to you? You're, you're the team leader. You're an all-pro right now. Do they come to you and ask you for your input on drafting, on signing free agents, on different things?

• 39:49Speaker 02

  All of it. Drafting, they'll limit, like for me, you know, Landon Dickerson and Cam Jergens. And they'll, like Stout will talk to my, talk to me all the time in the offseason. I'm in here year round. I lift at the facility. So I'll pop up and, "Hey, man, check this guy out. Look at this guy. What do you think? Like he reminds me of this guy or this guy. This tackler reminds me of Jason Peters. Like look at the way he moves." So I love looking at stuff like that. Game plan wise, you know, I'm always talking to Stout.

• 40:18Speaker 02

  Or the offensive coordinator, or the head coach about, you know, what's in that I like, what's in that I don't like. And you do it in the right way, because there's gonna be stuff that's in the game plan that you might not like, but you gotta do it, because it's part of the game plan. So, you're always figuring all that out, each week. So, I had probably more influence on all that stuff, especially later in my career than anybody else in the building. Outside of Jalen Hurst, quarterback always has the most say. And that stuff's all fun, I love doing that. At the end of the day, though, it's, these other guys are the decision makers, right?

• 40:53Fred Taylor?

  Jay, I'm over here in the corner, I know RC called you handsome earlier, but I'm checking out your eyebrows, and I'm a little jealous. Mine isn't, they're not as full as yours.

• 41:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, okay.

• 41:03Fred Taylor?

  You and Travis got some really nice eyebrows.

• 41:05Speaker 02

  Thick eyebrows, yep.

• 41:06Fred Taylor?

  Got some really nice eyebrows. How are you two most alike? And also, how are you most different?

• 41:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, I think we're probably different in, I guess, you know, fashion sense and like, yeah, I think, I think style, pop culture, things like that, we're a little bit different. But I think in most of the values that we uphold, like what we think is funny, what we appreciate in people, how we try to connect with guys, the teammates we are. I think all that stuff is very, very similar. So, I remember talking to Malcolm Jenkins one time in the locker room, and I think I'm talking like shoes, or whatever. I'm like, I don't get why people were like infatuated with shoes. And my brother loves shoes. I mean, you go into his closet, it's like, this ceiling, boxes stacked at the top, right?

• 41:54Speaker 02

  I just don't get it, like, you're just walking on them. Like, what is the infatuation with them? And I was like, hey man, everybody likes what they like. And I'm like, you know what? I guess that's all you really gotta think. People like what they like, for whatever reason. And I think, I think the materialism that we kinda differ in, really, when you get down to the grassroots of like who we are as people, we're actually very similar. We might be a little bit different in the way we think. My brother thinks more like an artist, which might be why he's more into the fancier fashion and shoes. And like, he's into the style, dancing, all of that. And I think of things probably a little bit more analytically.

• 42:37Speaker 02

  By nature, so I think that that also probably has a transition in what we like. But I think it's who we are as people and what we value and how we talk to people and connect with them. And family, all that stuff is very similar.

• 42:50Ryan Clark?

  What's your most proud Big Brother moment?

• 42:56Speaker 02

  My most proud Big Brother moment?

• 43:02Speaker 02

  There've been a lot of them. He's been really good.

• 43:06Ryan Clark?

  I do have a question. Why are you thinking about that?

• 43:07Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 43:07Ryan Clark?

  What was more emotional for you? Your draft day, when you got the call, or Trav's?

• 43:17Speaker 02

  I think it's more emotional watching, well, it's just different. It's a different emotion.

• 43:26Ryan Clark?

  What was the difference between the emotional?

• 43:27Speaker 02

  When you get drafted, it's very selfishly gratifying. It's like, I fucking did it. Like, I'm in the NFL. I've been wanting to be there all along. And your dreams are realized, the moment that you're drafted. And you kind of know, leading up to it, it's gonna happen. But it don't change the fact that the moment it happens, it all hits like a lightning bolt right into you. When you're watching your brother do it, it's a much more outwardly perspective, like, happiness for him, right? So, you know, one is a, you know, an intense gratification selfishly. And the other one is an immense gratification for someone that you love and care about achieving their dreams. And it's a similar emotion, but it's different, and I guess in the way you process it.

• 44:07Speaker 02

  You know, draft day was one of them for Trav. Back to your question, Fred, like, you know, he had been through a lot in college. And he was a very, I mean, we all are. He was a very immature kid when he took over and got there. And to see how he had grown and persevered and got to that moment, I was very, very happy and proud for him then. And that was, you know, he was kicked out of the university at one point. He was kicked off the football team. He was in a wooden bat league, because he doesn't know if he's ever gonna play football again. And for that to transpire, and for him to work to get back in the good graces of people, and to rededicate himself in a more, in a better way, that was a big moment where I was, like, very, very proud of him for writing that ship.

• 44:52Speaker 02

  Because, I mean, you guys all know, some guys, it doesn't work like that. They don't write it. And to have the talent, I mean, there's, it's crazy looking, like, there's more guys on my high school team that probably have more talent than me. I can think like and I don't want to name names, you know what I mean? But like there's guys that were more talented than me and like decisions and stuff like that, it just didn't pan out for them. But they had the tools, like they were, they were good. And that happened in high school and in college and, and in the NFL.

• 45:25Ryan Clark?

  You know, in speaking about your brother and you talk about the differences, you know, you were a Tinder guy, he was a reality show.

• 45:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't know if he did Tinder or not.

• 45:34Ryan Clark?

  You know what I mean? You know, you've been married, he dates pretty famously, right? Because people like the person that he dates. It's also changed, it's changed both of your lives. Like you mentioned, the, the two years of New Heights, the, the perfect storm of two brothers play each other, this amazing family background, and we all get to watch it unfold at the Super Bowl. And then the next year, it's no matter who the Kansas City Chiefs are playing, there's going to be a lot of attention on the suite.

• 46:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:04Ryan Clark?

  A lot of those suites, you know, down the stretch of the playoffs, you're in, right? A lot of those pitchers and venues now, when Taylor Swift sells out arenas, you're there. How has that microscope sort of made you think and have to deal with moving differently?

• 46:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:24Ryan Clark?

  Than you have before? Because you, you are such an authentic person.

• 46:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, I still try to be that authentic person. I think that that's important for me. Like, I don't want to go out there and, like, if I'm not being who I am and, and, and my natural person, I'm not going to be happy with myself. It makes it difficult because everything you do is under a microscope and everything you say is under a microscope. And people and the DNA's that we live are going to tweet things and any way you say it, they're going to find a context to make it controversial, to get clicks and to do whatever with it. So you just know and you have to be conscious of that and. You know, to a certain extent, there's no way to prevent all of it.

• 47:10Speaker 02

  Because the microscope is there and because the attention is there, and because of the nature of what social media is, you gotta be careful a lot of the times in how you word things, which is unfortunate, but a natural thing with it. And that's the way, I mean, you know that, you navigate that as a player. When you're talking to the media, you're finding a way to say this in a way that is respectful to everybody and, you know, you want to come across in the right way. And now, that kind of mentality, you're trying to be authentic, but you also want to make sure that it's received in the way you're trying to communicate it, not in the way somebody else wants to write an article about it.

• 47:45Channing Crowder?

  And Jason, I don't have a brother. I have two sisters.

• 47:47Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 47:47Channing Crowder?

  But I know my homeboys back when you were dating.

• 47:50Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 47:51Channing Crowder?

  You call, "Hey, man, I got a bad one."

• 47:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:53Channing Crowder?

  When Trav hits you and says, "Hey, big bro, I got a bad one." "Oh, what's her name?"

• 47:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 47:59Channing Crowder?

  Taylor.

• 48:00Speaker 02

  Who?

• 48:01Channing Crowder?

  Who the shit?

• 48:04Channing Crowder?

  Did that conversation happen?

• 48:05Speaker 02

  Well, you know, there was a lead-up to it because there was the whole thing on the pod about him trying to get a friendship bracelet to her, so I knew that there was something.

• 48:13Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 48:13Speaker 02

  But I think he was very cautious about even telling me or anybody because, I mean, the reality is, she is under such a microscope that, you know, I think that they wanted to make sure everything was done in a way that, you know, was respectful to people's privacy, and I think they're still trying to do that.

• 48:33Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 48:33Speaker 02

  And like even now, like, I want to be respectful of them and I don't want anybody to feel like there's like a perceived, like I'm violating some type of private relationship, right? Like, it's really not my place to speak on the relationship, but he is my brother and I'm very happy for him. And, you know, you just have to be conscious of how you're saying things because it is under such a microscope.

• 49:00Channing Crowder?

  And did the business, the relationship, we all know, well, you know, the relationship stuff was going on and the blowing up, the two years you spoke about, both of you spoke about. Is it affecting the brotherly relationship? Or is it, I'm gonna say negatively, but just is it changing it?

• 49:15Speaker 02

  Well, not that aspect of it. I think... The thing that's, that whenever you're in business with family, that is a dynamic, right? And now that it is such a big business, the podcast and everything.

• 49:27Ryan Clark?

  Oh, it's big?

• 49:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:28Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 49:28Speaker 02

  Now that that is there.

• 49:29Ryan Clark?

  Congratulations, by the way.

• 49:30Speaker 02

  Thank you, thank you.

• 49:35Ryan Clark?

  Hey, man signed, man signed a podcast deal out the gate that gave him more money than he made being a Hall of Fame player. Okay, we're allowed to bring it up then. Man.

• 49:46Speaker 02

  Talking in my brother's basement, yeah, talking with my brother in my basement.

• 49:50Speaker 02

  My dad. Just natures of that have caused a relationship shift with, we never had that before. But thankfully, personally, Travis and I value who we are as brothers more than any of that. So, at the end of the day, like, all that other stuff falls under, like, who we are as people and who we are as brothers. And certainly, his love life, his family life, and who he cares about falls above the business side of what we're doing. So, like, I think when the priority is that, the other stuff that you have to navigate as essentially business partners, you know, it, it comes with the right frame with it.

• 50:31Ryan Clark?

  I have some fun questions, because that was, that got heavy, right? So, here we go. Here's, here's my, who do we hate more? Which Patrick is worse?

• 50:41Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 50:41Ryan Clark?

  Dempsey or Mahomes? One, one sexiest man of the year when you were nominated. The other, one in the Super Bowl you lost.

• 50:52Speaker 02

  I, I, I mean this sincerely, I have zero hatred for either of them. So, I guess, which person do I love more? And I would say unquestionably, I don't know Patrick Dempsey, so I'm gonna go Pat Mahomes.

• 51:04Ryan Clark?

  What, what, what is it like, though, man? You know, because obviously, he and your brother are extremely close. And it's, it's, it's rare, one, to have a brother that's in the league, but that relationship, now having other people that are parts of his life become close to you as well. I think you are a great player, right? I never got to know you.

• 51:25Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 51:26Ryan Clark?

  Right? And what, what I love about the job I do now is, I'm gonna sit next to Jason Kelce, and I'm gonna get to know Jason Kelce, and all the things I admired about him, I'm gonna get to learn and connect to him in a different way.

• 51:37Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 51:38Ryan Clark?

  Right? A lot of times, when you get an opportunity to do that, the player is done. Right, the player, for me, it's over. I don't have that rivalry, but I also don't get to enjoy it in real time.

• 51:48Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 51:49Ryan Clark?

  Whereas for you, you got to know Patrick, not that you're friends, but you got to know him.

• 51:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:53Ryan Clark?

  But getting an opportunity, like even in this playoffs, when you're stepping away from it and you're getting to see that sort of greatness from somebody who you've now got to have a personal relationship like.

• 52:04Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 52:05Ryan Clark?

  And seeing him and watching him, what do you feel is special about Patrick Mahomes?

• 52:10Speaker 02

  Well, in watching him, what I think is special about him is a lot of things. But I think, when I think of quarterbacks, usually there's two buckets. There's like the analytical, like very organized quarterback that's checking plays, fixing protections, and you know, the Peyton Manning before the snap type quarterback that has had a lot of stuff. And there's, you know, the very instinctual, off the cuff player that can just go at any second. And I played with Michael Vick early on in my career, and he's a guy that I would

• 52:49Speaker 02

  say represents that about as good as anybody. It's really rare to find a guy that can operate in both those realms. Because usually, if you're an analytical thinker, you think in terms of structure. And if you're an instinctual player, structure prevents you from being instinctual. What is so good about Pat, and I think what is so good about probably Pat and Travis, is that they both operate within structure, but they still somehow keep that instinctual creative mindset. And for a defense, how do you prepare for that? How do you stop, you know, we know this play's coming, we think this play's coming out of this formation,

• 53:32Speaker 02

  it is that play, and we got the perfect thing called, and then Pat and Travis do something different, and they're on the same page. Because they know, hey, it's, they ran this coverage, and if I go here, there's a soft spot in the zone, and Pat just knows that Travis is going to know that, and he's going to dot him with the ball. And I don't know how you defend that. Because it ain't like it's, you know, you're defending a play. You're trying to defend a guy, two guys that are going to do something that you don't know what they're going to do. And so you get the benefit of the structure and the genius of Andy Reid and the offensive system. And you get two guys that somehow operate on that level. And in particular, Pat, how he does all that and still operates so freely is truly remarkable.

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• 54:45Channing Crowder?

  And you brought up Andy. I was going to ask that because you were Andy in Philly.

• 54:49Speaker 02

  I was.

• 54:50Channing Crowder?

  And Andy's one of them dudes playing defense that you knew he's going to show something every game you haven't seen before.

• 54:55Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 54:56Channing Crowder?

  And you just, why is there three tight ends out here?

• 54:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:59Channing Crowder?

  It just doesn't make sense. But speaking of Andy, I don't think he got the respect he deserved in Philly and all that stuff. Like now people are talking about Andy with Pat in the Super Bowls on this side.

• 55:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:09Channing Crowder?

  But how good is Andy Reid? And when you watch the offense now, even being on the other team, do you, do you remember the, oh yeah, I know, I know this package?

• 55:16Speaker 02

  When I watch, but as you know, the team, the offense has evolved, right? They change continually. Like my brother and I were just talking about the behind the back pass, right? And we're talking about this week on the podcast, and I thought it was a naked in real time watching. I wasn't paying attention to the line and everything else. I just thought he was doing like a side mirror, like sometimes tight end will come down, boom, quarterback rolls out and he's kind of that safety package back inside. And we're sitting there, he's like, no, no, no, this was, and he doesn't even have to say it. I watch it happen and I know what play it was. Because we used to run the same thing with Doug, which is an inside zone replay with a rub route and the tight end goes to the flat. So I know what he's supposed to run. It's short yardage. They're hoping it's man coverage and Trav is going to get the ball in the flat off the

• 56:01Speaker 02

  rub route. And then I'm like, oh, okay. So now he was doing completely the wrong thing.

• 56:07Ryan Clark?

  So it really was out of spite.

• 56:09Speaker 02

  It was just off the cuff and I think Pat was like, man, what's this dude doing over there? But he didn't, I mean, that's who we wanted to probably throw the ball to in the flat. Yeah, I would think, but so, yeah, I see some plays and I'm like, okay, that's that play. That's, that's what we used to do here. And nowadays, so much of the offenses are and defenses, like everybody kind of runs multiple systems now. Everybody's trying to steal from what has made the Shanahan offense go. Everybody's trying to steal with Andes, everybody's, it's a copycat league. And it, you know, the four down, you know, five down or three down, like everybody runs, finds a way to get to that spacing and that structure, right? It might come like they might build a bear front with blitzing a nickel and spiking it

• 56:54Speaker 02

  in down on the guard and then, and the nose going head up, but that's a bear front.

• 56:57Ryan Clark?

  Wow.

• 56:58Speaker 02

  They might, they might find a way to line up in a four down and get to a four, four with the safety, you know what I mean? Like, I think they're finding ways to get to this spacing and, and different personnel packages and everybody kind of steals from everybody.

• 57:17Ryan Clark?

  You have a Russell Crowe, beautiful mind sort of thing going on here.

• 57:20Speaker 02

  Do I?

• 57:21Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, like when you, when you talk about, you talked about, he's like, you know, yeah, you get the guys stacked here, but if you're in the queue and the back's in the queue, like the, the way you think about things, I think it's, it's part of what makes you such a great communicator, but it's also what makes you complex.

• 57:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:38Ryan Clark?

  First time we actually got to spend some time together, you're drawing on a piece of paper and you're like, yeah, you could have the orchestra here and if the orchestra's here, then you can have this and he can play this song and you pull your phone out and you're like, yeah, this is the song I want him to play.

• 57:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:49Ryan Clark?

  Like you, you talked about your analytical brain and then Travis's sort of artistic brain, but I think you sort of have both, right? What is the thing now? You said you need to wake up and have a goal or you need to wake up with something to accomplish. Football, it's very clear what we're working to accomplish and then accolades come outside of that. What is Jason Kelce waking up now to accomplish in retirement?

• 58:14Speaker 02

  I'm trying to continue to be the best at whatever I'm doing and be better than I was the day before, whether it's podcasting, whether it's Monday Night Football, which hopefully we're doing a good job of that. And then, you know, I am always thinking of different ideas and creative things that sound fun and writing them down in my notes, trying to be the best father I can be. So, I try to kind of, it's all over the place now. That's the one thing that's crazy, like not being, like with football, you realize once it's done, the structure and the constraint

• 58:57Speaker 02

  that it gives you, like, bro, I just had to go, I just had to go to the facilities, work out, the food's there, the film's ready to go, like, it is all done. Now, because it's so decentralized and everything is all over the place, you know, it's, you have to do all the organization and trying to get it all squared away. And that is not a skill set of me. I'm not good at that. I've never been good at that. Luckily, my wife is good at that, and I have an assistant, Emily, shout out Emily, that's very good at that.

• 59:21Ryan Clark?

  Thank you, Emily, for getting here.

• 59:24Speaker 02

  And I think for that, I'm still getting used to that. But you put what the most important things are. So, you know, husband and father first, you know, the podcast is a big piece, Monday Night Football is a big piece. And then, you know, what else do I want to do? You know, do I want to help, you know, with stout in any type of capacity that I can? Do I want to, you know, be there for the guys on the line if they have any questions? So, you're trying to figure out, I guess, which ones are the most important, which ones you want to do, and how can I improve at each one of these?

• 59:59Ryan Clark?

  Would this improve your rank in the sibling, NFL sibling duo? Let's rank them. Your guys finished second on my list in the siblings. Peyton Manning and Eli.

• 1:00:11Speaker 02

  I think it's fair.

• 1:00:11Ryan Clark?

  I had that one.

• 1:00:12Speaker 02

  Quarterbacks.

• 1:00:13Ryan Clark?

  Travis Kelsey and Jason Kelce.

• 1:00:15Speaker 02

  That's still strong.

• 1:00:16Ryan Clark?

  Were two. I had Watts, I had the Watts.

• 1:00:19Speaker 02

  I mean, the Watts got to be up there.

• 1:00:21Ryan Clark?

  I had the Watts at three.

• 1:00:22Speaker 02

  What about Shannon and Sterling?

• 1:00:24Ryan Clark?

  There were four for me, and a sneaky one for me at five was the Barbers.

• 1:00:28Speaker 02

  Barbers?

• 1:00:29Ryan Clark?

  Ron Dantiki. They're also twins, and I feel like that helps you be at a higher place on the list. If you had to do the sibling.

• 1:00:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's fair.

• 1:00:38Ryan Clark?

  If you had to do the sibling.

• 1:00:39Speaker 02

  Not only the siblings, they look very similar, yes.

• 1:00:41Ryan Clark?

  Much more similar than you and Travis, actually. If you had to do the sibling top five in the NFL, what would it be?

• 1:00:48Speaker 02

  All time?

• 1:00:48Ryan Clark?

  All time. You got Matthews.

• 1:00:50Speaker 02

  I would probably put Peyton and Eli as one. I mean, they both. Just from a hardware standpoint and Super Bowls and let's face it, it's the quarterback position. There's a reason that they're paid the highest. That's, that is the hardest position to play.

• 1:01:05Ryan Clark?

  You guys are tied, by the way, in totals.

• 1:01:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, I've won one though. You know what I mean? We're getting a heavy helping here from Trav. And neither of us have MVP awards or any of that. I think after them, I think it's hard. I don't like rating myself in these ratings. So I'm probably going to abstain from putting Travis and I on there. After Peyton and Neela, I'd probably go Shannon and Sterling.

• 1:01:37Ryan Clark?

  Okay, that's two.

• 1:01:38Speaker 02

  After them, I'd probably go the Watt brothers. And the Watt brothers could very easily be number two very soon. I mean, TJ's been so dominant. He just is, he's just not as, hasn't had the career length yet. But, I mean, maybe they should be two because they're right up there. Starting to have a short career too. All right. Either way, two and three of them. Four, I might just go like the Matthews family.

• 1:02:07Ryan Clark?

  Yep.

• 1:02:08Speaker 02

  Because you've got Clay Senior, Clay Junior, and then you got, oh my gosh.

• 1:02:13Ryan Clark?

  Bruce.

• 1:02:14Speaker 02

  Bruce, thank you. So I'd probably go the Matthews. And then that's, are we doing Mount Rushmore top five?

• 1:02:21Ryan Clark?

  Maybe we know top five.

• 1:02:21Speaker 02

  Five, okay. So five, I guess you gotta go TK and Rondae. I'm trying to think of who, what other brothers.

• 1:02:27Ryan Clark?

  My honorable mention was Marquise and Mike Pouncy, but Mike ended up getting hurt.

• 1:02:32Speaker 02

  I mean, they both had great careers while they were healthy. Marquise, most decorated center from my time in the league. I mean, every year he made a Pro Bowl, which is kind of crazy when you think about it. Mike just had the hips and it didn't last for him, but he was a great player as well.

• 1:02:49Ryan Clark?

  Yep.

• 1:02:50Speaker 02

  But I think from a star standpoint, Rondae and TK, and they had a similar thing where. They didn't meet in the Super Bowl, but they were both on really, really good teams kind of at the same time. Yeah. Yeah. So I'd probably go there.

• 1:03:05Fred Taylor?

  To take it a step further, you know, it's about the last name. It's about Kelsey from Cleveland Heights, Ohio.

• 1:03:14Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:03:14Fred Taylor?

  Do you ever have those moments where you just can sit back and think like legacy and how a pair of, you have an underdog in yourself, the hard work it took you to get to where you are. Travis going through those things, you know, getting Cincinnati situation, going through the troubles and now where he is in life.

• 1:03:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:32Fred Taylor?

  Do you ever have moments where you just sit back and kind of take it all in, say, damn, we really changed our last name, our, just the legacy of it.

• 1:03:44Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, I don't know that I think about it, that I thought about it as much as a legacy, because that could change at any second, like regardless, like, but I don't think it's going to, but.

• 1:03:56Fred Taylor?

  It's very rare.

• 1:03:57Speaker 02

  Yeah. I think, I think, I think of it more as like, it's just crazy that, you know, two brothers that grew up in Cleveland Heights, Ohio, at the house we grew up in, that we, it's crazy to imagine that those kids that used to look up to, you know, Jim Thome and the Cleveland Indians and Guardians now, you know, LeBron James and the Cavs and like all the guys that we used to watch. You know, we watched the Browns leave as an organization and come back and I think it's nuts thinking back to us as kids and thinking now where we are. Like, I don't think that that was really a, you know, a tangible

• 1:04:39Speaker 02

  thing, it felt like at that time. And I don't know when it became tangible. Probably for me at least, it started to become tangible when you start seeing like college teammates go to the NFL and you're like, all right, I'm better than that guy. I can, I might, I might be able to go. And I think, I don't know when Travis, he always wanted to play basketball, but I don't know when it became apparent for him that football was going to be the deal. But yeah, looking back for sure, it's crazy. It's nuts and as we said, it's also nuts just because I don't even think of myself as the best player on my high school team. Like I think of like, you know, we had a DN, James Ingram, that was a beast and great dude.

• 1:05:24Speaker 02

  We had a basketball team and a track team that were phenomenal. So, you know, it's kind of nuts even thinking back to that. Like it's like, how did us two knuckleheads be the ones that ended up playing over a decade in the NFL?

• 1:05:40Fred Taylor?

  That's amazing. And my last one, and I know you got it, we'll wrap in a minute. RC does this thing where he usually cuts the room half. And because we didn't win a Super Bowl, so I've been bringing it up on a few episodes, but it's all good. I'm thinking though.

• 1:05:54Speaker 02

  This is just the way it happens.

• 1:05:55Ryan Clark?

  I have a question though. What's weird is like you always say didn't win a Super Bowl. I would be different if y'all participated in one.

• 1:06:03Fred Taylor?

  Well, see what I mean? Like always showing out in front of company. But no, right? So, and I'm sitting here just thinking because he does it a lot.

• 1:06:12Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:06:12Fred Taylor?

  But he hasn't really done it in a while, so I bring it up. The comparisons, you both played 13 years. You both won a Super Bowl and lost a Super Bowl. You're both to be on Monday Night Football.

• 1:06:24Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:06:25Fred Taylor?

  He's a fashionista. He has amazing, beautiful suits.

• 1:06:28Speaker 02

  He told me, he told me at the preseason game that we did, this is the worst dress you're gonna see me in. I was like, that is like, you're looking sharp right now. I don't know how you stepped this up.

• 1:06:37Fred Taylor?

  Can we or will we see the Mummer's costume on Monday night?

• 1:06:41Speaker 02

  I don't know if it's gonna be on Monday. It's.

• 1:06:44Ryan Clark?

  They're gonna bring it out for Philly.

• 1:06:45Speaker 02

  I think that costume's gotta be reserved for very, very like unique occasions. We'll see. I think, I'm looking forward to Philly and I don't know what I'm gonna wear. But I think the Mummer's, if, that's gotta be reserved for like.

• 1:07:03Speaker 02

  If not one occasion, something of that magnitude, not just a week two game.

• 1:07:09Ryan Clark?

  There's very few things of that magnitude of what you did that day. And I have a question for you. Listening to you talk about you and your brother and making it from that same house in Cleveland Heights. We have all of these people on the show who are the 1% of the 1% that often say what you said. This guy was better than me, or I thought this other guy had a chance. When you really dive into it, if someone young was to ask you, well, Jason, tell me the difference. Tell me the difference between the guy that was more talented than you, that we've never heard of,

• 1:07:47Ryan Clark?

  and now you, who is without a doubt the most popular center of his era and a future Hall of Famer. What's the difference between that? Why were you able to make it?

• 1:07:58Speaker 02

  Listen, I think some of it is, quite honestly, just a certain level of chance. And I know that people are like hearing that, but I was very, I don't know if I would have, if I would have gone to another college and not gone to Paul Longo. I don't know that anybody else would have moved me to center. And I don't know, I certainly wasn't moving myself to the center. So I don't know if any of this takes place without him becoming the strength coach of Cincinnati, which is kind of crazy. It's very crazy. So there's an element of luck that is inherently involved in it. I didn't have any catastrophic injuries. I didn't have a lot of things take place that could have derailed my success in the NFL. But at all times, I was still in a position to capitalize on the opportunities when they came my way. And what's that quote about luck? Like luck is when, you know.

• 1:08:43Ryan Clark?

  Opportunity meets preparation.

• 1:08:45Speaker 02

  Opportunity meets preparation. Thank you. That is so true. And I think, I talked about it a little bit earlier with Jim Schwartz, talking about self-awareness. I really think highly successful people at all times know who they are, where they're at, and what they need to fix to improve outcomes and to improve what they're trying to do. And I think that I've always been very good at that. And I think as someone trying to be successful in anything.

• 1:09:22Speaker 02

  You need to know what you're good at and what you're not good at and what you're trying to improve on. And you need to have a concrete knowledge of who you are in order to overcome the different challenges and adversity that are going to strike inevitably in everybody's life. And hopefully, nothing happens that is part of the bad luck. And then if you're in that mindset and ready to strike, when the good luck comes, you'll be ready to capitalize on it.

• 1:09:55Channing Crowder?

  Jason, you brought up Mummers because you dress and have the costumes and all that fun stuff. The Super Bowl's in New Orleans this year.

• 1:10:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, baby. That might be a good occasion to bring out a Mummers suit. I mean, it is very New Orleans-esque.

• 1:10:11Channing Crowder?

  If it is a KC 3-peat, do we have a shirtless, beaded Jason Kelce running around New Orleans?

• 1:10:19Speaker 02

  I don't know that there's a doubt in my mind that that's happening on Bourbon Street. You kidding me? We went to the Sugar Bowl in college, played the Gators in Tim Tebow's last game and got completely killed. But Bourbon Street's a fun time. Regardless of whether you lose or win, Bourbon Street, everybody's a winner. Well, or a loser, however you look at it. Is it true you ripped a sink out in college at a party? We had a football house and it was a Halloween party. I think it was the Halloween party. And I had had too much to drink, which there's a theme here. This is not, I promise I'm not, this is not my only side, but a lot of crazy things do

• 1:11:03Speaker 02

  happen when you get unfortunately very drunk, which is fun sometimes, but not all the time. At some point, apparently, I was in the bathroom and...

• 1:11:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, rip the sink out of the wall. They don't really know how, they just came in and there's water going all over the place and yeah.

• 1:11:20Channing Crowder?

  There's an alleged story, I don't know the statute of limitations, but of me throwing a keg a little inebriated. So it is what it is, you know, if the story is just laid out there, you know, it's history then.

• 1:11:31Ryan Clark?

  You two are kind of equally nasty too. Cause you peed and had to wipe your booty last time, you taking your drawers off, flipped them inside of vent, and then turned them inside out because you said that's like putting on a new pair of drawers. He dookie'd at a lady's house, in her house, and left it there and...

• 1:11:52Speaker 02

  Dookie'd at a lady's house? Oh, man, we're talking this story, yeah. That was not good.

• 1:11:59Speaker 02

  I don't remember doing that.

• 1:12:03Ryan Clark?

  That's a pass.

• 1:12:04Speaker 02

  That's a hell of an out. What happened? Yes.

• 1:12:09Ryan Clark?

  Don't tell him what happened. Can you imagine getting that call, "Say, bro, uh, I don't know, but before you left, did you poop in my house?"

• 1:12:20Speaker 02

  Nope. Yeah, not just poop in the house, I pooped in the chair.

• 1:12:23Ryan Clark?

  Did you, wait, tell me, wait.

• 1:12:25Speaker 02

  Apparently, I did this. Apparently, and I don't remember doing this, but apparently I walked up to a chair, lifted this up like it was like the toilet seat. Cause I thought, yeah, I ain't messing with you.

• 1:12:38Ryan Clark?

  We do have a gift for you too, from Mitchell Lannett.

• 1:12:41Speaker 02

  Perfect.

• 1:12:42Ryan Clark?

  Right, it's, uh, some new Philly stuff, so this is coming out in 2025. Here you go, it's a Mitchell Lannett hat. But this joint is a Philly crew neck.

• 1:12:52Speaker 02

  Ooh, I like this.

• 1:12:53Ryan Clark?

  Phillies, yep, so you are the first person to actually get that.

• 1:12:57Speaker 02

  Dude, I like this a lot.

• 1:12:58Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, and then you can wear it with your thong slippers.

• 1:13:00Speaker 02

  They, they, everything goes with the thong slippers.

• 1:13:03Ryan Clark?

  And I already told you, if this doesn't happen week one, bro, I have a total, I have an issue with you.

• 1:13:08Speaker 02

  How much do I need to be ready to move? That's my, the only time I don't wear sandals is if I'm, if I'm working, working out, or if I need to actually walk and do a lot.

• 1:13:16Ryan Clark?

  Well, so we're gonna walk from the trailer to wherever we do the show, and it's gonna be in San Francisco too, so this will go well with your suit.

• 1:13:24Speaker 02

  Are we gonna do anything on the field, though?

• 1:13:25Ryan Clark?

  It depends on that, if that's something you tell Marco you wanna do. If you're like, hey, we wanna do a demo, and I wanna anchor down on Marcus Spears.

• 1:13:33Speaker 02

  I guess I could just take my sandals off and do it barefoot.

• 1:13:35Ryan Clark?

  You can take your sandals off and do it. Do you have a place for quiet now though, bro?

• 1:13:39Speaker 02

  A place for quiet?

• 1:13:40Ryan Clark?

  Just a place that you say, okay, hey, in when I have free time, right? Because the thing I know about becoming really busy is you start to have a level of guilt. At least I'm gonna say for me.

• 1:13:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:50Ryan Clark?

  Right? Because I have this and I want to give as much time as I can to this. And I have Monday Night Countdown. I want to be the best I can be there.

• 1:13:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:58Ryan Clark?

  But before all of that, I have to be a father. I have to be a husband. I have to do all those things. And when you get involved in so many of these things, as you know with football, when we talk about percentages of time, sometimes that's where you spend the least. So you try to be as present as possible, but even that takes a part of you. Is there ever a spot where you go, you know what, I need to just be here to breathe? I need to just be here to collect my thoughts. I need to try to figure out a way to be alone with myself a little bit, to at least feel some sort of wholeness there. Can you find that place now with some of the popularity, with all the things you're doing, with taking care of family?

• 1:14:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, yes, I can. I mean, I am very busy, but there's still time to reflect and to get into like this like mindset and headspace to recollect where we're at and to, you know, figure out how we want to move forward in a way that's the best for everything or what we want to put as a priority. A lot of times for me that happens in the sauna. I got a sauna. I do it a lot. I go in there for 30 minutes and it's like a meditation session. I just sit there. I'm going, you know, and that happens almost always. Kids are down at night. I got a good sauna too. I can put it on for my phone. It's outside.

• 1:15:21Speaker 02

  So I turn the sauna on, put the kids in the shower, read them a couple of stories. And by the time that's done, hop in the sauna for 30 minutes, hop out. That's a night.

• 1:15:32Ryan Clark?

  It's gotta suck to be like one of the coolest dudes in the world and be the second coolest parent in your house.

• 1:15:38Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, no doubt.

• 1:15:39Ryan Clark?

  But I remember.

• 1:15:40Speaker 02

  It's great, really.

• 1:15:41Ryan Clark?

  No, at your golf, at your golf event, obviously, I wasn't going to golf because I can't, not very good. And I had opportunity to talk to Kylie, man. I was like, man, you're much doper than him.

• 1:15:52Speaker 02

  No question.

• 1:15:53Ryan Clark?

  Can he, can you come work Monday Night Football? But now that she's back, getting an opportunity, man, to do something she loves and coaching, how happy are you for her?

• 1:16:02Speaker 02

  Coaching field hockey?

• 1:16:03Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:04Speaker 02

  I'm happy for coaching field hockey. I'm happy for, in all these opportunities and stuff that are coming her way. And she, one of the things that is abundantly clear about my wife, and it's been that way from the moment I've met her, she is probably the most comfortable and confident person in who she is than I've ever met.

• 1:16:27Speaker 02

  Like, she don't subscribe to peer pressure. I can try and talk her into something. She ain't buying none of my bullshit. Like, it don't work. And she is, she's just very, very good at believing what she believes, knowing what she knows, not in a stubborn way, although she can be stubborn sometimes, we all can. Like, I don't, so I think this whole thing and navigating this, if there's one thing that keeps me grounded and keeps me knowledgeable of who I am, that, you know, she's the anchor that anchors the whole thing. So I'm very fortunate that I have her in my life and that, I don't know, that I get to take advantage of somebody

• 1:17:09Speaker 02

  who is so supremely confident in who they are.

• 1:17:14Fred Taylor?

  So this is the moment where, that I love the most during the show.

• 1:17:18Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:17:19Fred Taylor?

  Your biggest pivot.

• 1:17:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:20Fred Taylor?

  Is that one moment that you can go back to, or moments that you can go back to and say, without this happening, I wouldn't be who I am today.

• 1:17:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think.

• 1:17:32Speaker 02

  From a career standpoint, certainly it is Paul Longo switching me to offensive line. I don't think there's any question. And there's been other people like Jeff Stoutland becoming my offensive line coach, a bunch of them, but that's the one that I don't know if I would have played in the NFL, if he would have never been the offensive line coach for Cincinnati. But from a life standpoint, it's undoubtedly swiping right on Kylie Kelsey. Yeah, baby. All right. I don't think that anything, the professional stuff and everything

• 1:18:12Speaker 02

  else is one thing, but I think the stuff that means the most and the stuff that carries over regardless of what's happening from a professional standpoint, I would say swiping right on her. Love it.

• 1:18:25Ryan Clark?

  I love it, man. From our Pivot fan, man. Fan, thank you for pivoting with us. This has been dope. I appreciate you more than you know. I'm excited.

• 1:18:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, baby.

• 1:18:34Ryan Clark?

  To do what we do. You know, we feel like, no shade thrown, we feel like we got an upgrade.

• 1:18:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:18:40Ryan Clark?

  And we're ready to work.

• 1:18:41Speaker 02

  We've got a good crew.

• 1:18:42Ryan Clark?

  Yes, sir. Let's get it.

• 1:18:43Speaker 02

  It's that fun. Money green.

• 1:18:44Ryan Clark?

  Hey, Chan.

• 1:18:45Speaker 02

  Money green? Money green. I like that. I like that. Appreciate you, man. Yeah, thank you, thank you, thank you.