Harnessing Astrology to Build Wealth w/ Rachel Lang

Financial Astrologer Rachel Lang joins Haley to discuss how you can build wealth using astrology. They talk about predicting economic recessions, how your planetary alignment can tell you which investments will be successful for you, the ways to use your astrological chart to find the best time to make business decisions, and much more. Financial Tea with Mrs. Dow Jones is a Sony Music Entertainment production. Find more great podcasts from Sony Music Entertainment at sonymusic.com/podcasts and follow us at @sonypodcasts To bring your brand to life in this podcast, email [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Haley Sacks?

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• 1:07Speaker 01

  The other day I was going through my desk and I found a journal right from when I graduated and it had pen and paper, how much I spent each day. At this time, I think I was making around $40,000 and access cash flow was pretty tight. So I had to watch every penny. I think about how far we've come with technology and advancements to help us with this stuff. We don't need a journal with pen and paper anymore. The answers are out there. And Monarch is one of those answers. Monarch is literally, it's like having a financial advisor in your pocket. So you can use AI to help see what you're spending. Monarch will help you have full visibility in your accounts. It will help you see your trends. It will help you set goals, map out big purchases,

• 1:52Speaker 01

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• 2:37Speaker 02

  Different astrological cycles will show us when we are, when we could expect major economic upheaval. And we're going into, I'm not going to be a doomsday astrologer, but we're going into one of those next year. And so anytime I'm working with clients.

• 2:53Haley Sacks?

  Rachel, you told us that we weren't, that you were, we shouldn't stop scrolling when they say the scary thing.

• 2:58Speaker 02

  I'm not, there's nothing to be afraid of.

• 3:02Haley Sacks?

  This is Financial Tea.

• 3:06Haley Sacks?

  Welcome back to Financial Tea, my sippers. This is the podcast where I teach you how to build wealth with a side of market drama, money scandals, and of course, financial pop culture. And today, we are adding into the mix astrology to that list because we have Rachel Ling on the show today. She is a financial astrologer. I've been following her work. It's so crazy. And of course, an author. So Rachel, thank you so much for being on the Financial Tea.

• 3:37Speaker 02

  Thank you so much for having me on the show.

• 3:39Haley Sacks?

  But first, let's get into the MDJ Market Report. Okay, sippers, welcome back to the MDJ Market Report where I tell you the three stories you need to know to see where the money is moving this week. I do have to warn you that two of these are about sports, which is sort of out of pocket for me. You know, I'm more a pop culture gal, but like, you're going to love these stories when you hear them. Okay, but let's start first with inflation because shocker. Yeah, it's not looking good, guys. The new report came out. If you think everything is getting more expensive, well, guess what? You're right. And the craziest thing about this, I mean, there's a few things that's crazy, but like, number one is just that when prices go up, I just feel like companies never freaking bring them down. Like, it is so annoying with the straight of Hormuz bullshit.

• 4:23Haley Sacks?

  I'm like, yeah, the airfare prices are just going to stay raised. Like, when does inflation come down? That's what I want to know. So anyways, here are the facts. Consumer prices have risen 4.2% over the past year. Which is the highest inflation reading we've seen in about three years. And then on the other side of that, hourly wages were down 0.7% from a year ago, which is the biggest decline in more than three years. So basically what that means is that even if you're making the same amount of money, you're going to be able to buy less. And by the way, this is why I talk so much about investing because a lot of people keep whatever, you know, extra quote unquote money that they have just sitting in a checking account or a savings account, basically earning nothing. And they're losing purchasing power every single year, but they have this idea that

• 5:08Haley Sacks?

  like if their money just stays in cash, it's like safer and more responsible. But what I want you to realize is that it's actually not safe because your money is not growing faster than prices do. And that is how you stay rich. So instead of viewing hoarding your cash as being safe, you need to view investing as being safe because that's how you're going to beat inflation. Our next two stories are about sports. Don't turn this off, though. I promise you're going to be obsessed and it's a lot of good news. You know what I mean? Like this is honestly a positive podcast. Give me a review. Okay. So first up, let's talk about the World Cup because yeah, you guys, you're going to be able to go. There is a big chance that a ticket today is cheaper than it was a few months ago. And this is because FIFA sort of fucked themselves.

• 5:50Haley Sacks?

  They used dynamic pricing, which meant that the ticket prices aren't fixed. And instead they have like an AI algorithm that adjusted prices in real time based on demand. So like, think about it like Uber surge pricing, how they just absolutely screw you when it's raining and make things more expensive because everyone wants to take an Uber. So there's a lot of demand. Well, with FIFA, the more demand that their algorithm saw for World Cup tickets, the higher the prices went. And honestly, damned did they go up because the average ticket prices rose about 35% after sales opened and some premium tickets for the final reportedly climbed to around $33,000, which is only okay if you're seeing Taylor Swift at the Eras Tour, like for soccer, come on, sorry, for football. And this is so much more expensive than the last World Cup.

• 6:33Haley Sacks?

  Like even some of the cheapest seats cost multiples of what fans paid before. And I get it from FIFA's perspective, like the idea was simple from a business mind, like if fans are willing to pay more. Why let scalpers make the money when FIFA can make it themselves? But I just feel like they had gotten a little bit too confident because you guys, it is currently, as I record this, a few days before kickoff and there are nearly 180,000 tickets still sitting on FIFA's official resale platform. So like resale prices have been falling, brokers are getting squeezed, and what makes it worse is that regulators in multiple states are now investigating FIFA's ticketing practices. And I just want to talk about this in like a broader way too, because this whole trend that FIFA isn't just selling the tickets,

• 7:18Haley Sacks?

  they're involved in the resale market is I think what makes this story also really interesting. Because like even though tickets are unsold and fans are furious about prices, because FIFA made this switch, they are expected to generate roughly $3 billion from ticket sales this tournament, compared to about $930 million at the last World Cup. So they are winning despite the fact that there's going to be so many empty seats. But I also think that you can be winning too, because you can definitely get tickets last minute for really cheap, which would honestly be like really fun in the summer to go. Although it does sound like overwhelmingly crowded. I don't know if I have it in me, but like if you do, I celebrate that and respect you and would love to watch your Instagram stories from a place that's like a bit more private.

• 8:03Haley Sacks?

  Okay, our final story is obviously about the New York Knicks. No, this is not about like how much the seats are courtside or whatever. It's really about a secret that I found out about the Knicks and I feel like no one is talking about. And so we are going to talk about it in the market report because it's so crazy. And that is that you can effectively buy the New York Knicks, you guys. Like yes, the Knicks are one of the few sport franchises in America that regular investors like me and you can effectively buy. Not directly, you cannot like buy courtside seats or like a piece of Jalen Brunson's jump shot, although I would. But you can actually buy shares of Madison Square Garden Sports, which is the publicly traded company that owns the Knicks and Rangers.

• 8:47Haley Sacks?

  And what's crazy about Madison Square Garden Sports is that they're considered like pretty undervalued. Like their stock has more than doubled over the last year and has recently reached a market value of roughly $9 billion. I feel like it's only going up. Like this playoffs run is so crazy. Each night at the Garden, they're generating tens of million dollars in revenue, so much in brand equity for the Knicks. And that's why I'm saying that like investors actually still think the stock is worth more, even though it nearly doubled. And this isn't even because they expect the Knicks to win every championship forever. Like they don't even need to do that for this to be a good investment, but it's just because sports franchises are really one of the most valuable assets on earth. And I've been thinking about them a lot in the age of AI too, where it's like

• 9:30Haley Sacks?

  live sporting events are so AI-proof. And so I feel like it is just like this really golden asset. And it's like you can build another luxury condo, you can launch another software company, but like you can never create another New York Knicks and that scarcity makes assets so valuable. In fact, on Wall Street, there's something called the Dolan Discount, which is this idea that Madison Square Garden Sports trades for less than what the Knicks and Rangers would probably fetch if they were on the market. If they sold the Knicks and they sold the Rangers, that would definitely be more than $9 billion. Like the combined estimate of the teams would be worth billions more than that. And this just brings me to like a bigger story because I feel like for so long, being a sports fan meant spending money. Like you're buying the tickets,

• 10:15Haley Sacks?

  you're buying the jersey, you bought the overpriced beer. But now, Wall Street is finding ways to actually turn this fandom into an investment. And I'm putting investment in quotes because I'm about to talk about sports gambling and you know, I don't think that's an investment. But like, yes, sports betting turns these games into wagers, prediction markets turn events into trades, and now publicly traded sports teams turn fans into shareholders. So I just feel like the line between entertainment and investing is just getting a little blurrier every year. So yes, this is a story about basketball, but you know, it's also a story about how modern markets just keep finding new things to financialize. And isn't that cool?

• 10:56Haley Sacks?

  Okay. Well, love you guys. Go New York, go New York, go. Enjoy the rest of the episode and stay rich.

• 11:06Haley Sacks?

  Okay, so we always start with three questions for our guests.

• 11:10Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 11:10Haley Sacks?

  So the first one is, drumroll please, what gives you the financial ick?

• 11:16Speaker 02

  Oh, ah, well, first of all, anything that's taking advantage of people.

• 11:22Haley Sacks?

  Yes.

• 11:23Speaker 02

  Oh, like the, or anything that's inauthentic, you know, big launches that just feel, you know? So that, that's what it is. Inauthenticity, lack of ethics, those are the things that give me the ick.

• 11:38Haley Sacks?

  Cause you have like a marketing background. So you're saying when you see people just marketing to, for their own sake versus doing, cause it's like something they believe in.

• 11:46Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 11:47Haley Sacks?

  That's a good ick.

• 11:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:48Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, I totally get that.

• 11:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:49Haley Sacks?

  There's so many people like that.

• 11:51Speaker 02

  There are. And I think in the astrology field, one of the things that I've seen happen more recently is people doing these doomsday predictions.

• 12:00Haley Sacks?

  Oh, yeah, that's my whole TikTok feed.

• 12:02Speaker 02

  It is.

• 12:03Haley Sacks?

  Stop scrolling.

• 12:04Speaker 02

  Yes, I know. And then it, it paints astrology in this, in kind of a, in a bad light. And, and I think that it misses the point. And a lot of times it is just clickbait. And so that gives me the ick too.

• 12:18Haley Sacks?

  That's such a good point. Yeah. And it's like, they say, never let fear be your financial advisor.

• 12:23Speaker 02

  Love that.

• 12:24Haley Sacks?

  And so it's sort of the same thing.

• 12:25Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 12:26Haley Sacks?

  Do you feel rich today?

• 12:29Speaker 02

  I feel so rich.

• 12:31Haley Sacks?

  I love that.

• 12:32Speaker 02

  I do. And, and I, I make it a point to wake up every day. And I have a whole intention setting and I have mindset, a lot of mindset work that I do, because I think you can't be rich until you feel rich. And so there's a real mindset correlation. So I wake up every day and I have a gratitude practice and I, I embody the person that I want to be, that I want to show up as. So yeah, I feel very rich today and I feel really grateful to be here and.

• 13:01Haley Sacks?

  We're so grateful to have you.

• 13:02Speaker 02

  Thank you so much.

• 13:03Haley Sacks?

  I already feel so connected to you. And I love what you just said, because that sort of is the ethos of future rich person too, where it's like, you know, your money mindset is set by the time that you're seven years old.

• 13:13Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 13:14Haley Sacks?

  So so many people are thinking about themselves financially in this past way that just is like behavior that they picked up or be or been conditioned by versus actually living in a way that's like intentional that will get them to where they want to go. And so you're so right that every day if you wake up and you try and like choose the thoughts that are who you want to become and try to act like that person, you're going to get there so much faster.

• 13:39Speaker 02

  Absolutely. And there's an astrology to that, too. So there are Saturn cycles, there are planetary cycles that we have throughout our lives, and they work like clockwork. And one of the big ones that we have at seven and a half years old is a Saturn transit. And Saturn represents our limiting beliefs.

• 13:58Haley Sacks?

  Like is it seven years old?

• 14:00Speaker 02

  A seven and a half, yes.

• 14:01Haley Sacks?

  That's so great. This is so, continue, sorry.

• 14:04Speaker 02

  And we have another Saturn cycle at fourteen and a half, fifteen. So every seven years, roughly seven and a half years, Saturn is going to have a presence in our lives and in our charts. And Saturn is the planet that relates to what's crystallized, those concrete ideas of who we are, what we're good at, what we're bad at. And a lot of our ego structures, meaning the beliefs that our mom told us about, or our parents told us about, the things that we learn in school, the rules that we learn to follow, and the expectations that we have for our lives relate to Saturn. Saturn also represents what we move through and heal

• 14:47Speaker 02

  and learn to master over the course of our lives. And so pivotal Saturn transits, like the Saturn return right before your 30th birthday, the Saturn opposition right at around 45 years old, those are times when we review those rules and those expectations and say, do I like this? Do I believe in this?

• 15:07Haley Sacks?

  There's so much to talk about here, but I would love, and we sort of jumped into a lot, and I'm sure if you're, you guys are listening, you can hear already, Rachel is like incredible astrologist. But I want you to first just introduce yourself and sort of give us a taste of what it is you actually do, because the idea of financial astrologists is sort of crazy. You know, in a cool, in a cool way.

• 15:29Speaker 02

  Yes, thank you. Yeah. So I, I work with, I work with businesses, I work with individuals. In a consulting fashion. And so what we're doing is we're looking at ways to optimize timing. Because astrology, like I said, these planetary cycles happen like clockwork. And if you can catch a wave of opportunity, abundance, prosperity, then you can really maximize that for the outcomes that you want. Whether they're personal outcomes, like you want to fall in love, or whether they're professional outcomes or financial outcomes.

• 16:05Haley Sacks?

  It's like riding the waves. Do you have like a little push behind you?

• 16:07Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 16:08Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, because life's already so hard.

• 16:10Speaker 02

  Absolutely. But we can also see the challenges. We can see the challenges in your natal chart where you might have financial fears, where there are certain sectors in the economy that you just don't have a strong relationship to. And others where you might have more success in investing or in working. We can see a lot of career pathways and opportunities. So if you're going through a job transition, that's, we can use astrology to determine what you can do moving forward that's going to feel the most rewarding. So lots of applications for astrology. And I'm also very psychic and intuitive.

• 16:55Speaker 02

  And so I, while astrology is very much mathematical, there are specific cycles and we have data points for these cycles. I also include some of my own business experience, my own marketing experience, and also awareness of larger planetary cycles that relate to market trends. Even the colors that are going to be in style during fashion week, we can see. And so I can help my clients to navigate their own personal decisions based on what, where they are, and also keeping into consideration

• 17:37Speaker 02

  the larger economic cycles that we're in.

• 17:41Haley Sacks?

  What are some ways that you've used astrology to help people be successful? And business and money.

• 17:48Speaker 02

  The first thing, if someone is starting a business, there are, you can choose a birth date for the business. Every business has a birth date and it is, it sets up the, the major themes that you're going to go through, opportunities, challenges. And when we select a birth date, I'm very, I'm very obsessive about this. We pick a day that is going to bring out the very best potential of what the, of what the company is trying to accomplish.

• 18:18Haley Sacks?

  So interesting because I think about the, I love Sarah Blakely who started Spanx and she talks about when she started her company that she was meeting all, she met all these like businessmen and they were like, oh, you're starting a business. Well, just so you know, business is war. And she's very intuitive and feminine and like connected to her intuition. And she was like, I don't want business to be war. And then sort of built Spanx and has built all of her businesses on this idea of like intuition and doing things that are, you know, based on signs or whatever. And, but it's interesting because it's like money and business feel like very practical to me and almost masculine and something that you have to almost will into existence. Whereas astrology is so, and all this spirituality

• 19:02Haley Sacks?

  stuff feels so much softer and almost like in opposition to that. And so I'm just wondering like how those worlds connect for you because, you know, I always think about it as like, okay, yeah, hard work is going to get me where I'm going to go, but it feels like talking to you, I'm missing something. Like, okay, wait, maybe it's hard work, but I also have to figure out like, you know, what the stars say.

• 19:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think you're, you're bringing up a point that is something that a lot of us are talking about right now, which is that we are in a paradigm shift. The old way, that masculine way that you're talking about, it's not working anymore. And we're seeing that because we have a lot more female founders, we have a lot more gender fluid, non-binary, we have a lot more people coming into leadership who are changing the culture of business. And so we need to change. Things need to evolve because the way things are working have, the way things have been working and the way that we have been in this very

• 20:07Speaker 02

  aggressive, war-like paradigm has left a lot of people out.

• 20:12Haley Sacks?

  Totally, yeah.

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• 20:44Haley Sacks?

  But you know, I'm a financial expert. I teach people how to invest in a very level headed way. Like we're not, you know, picking individual stocks. We're really just being consistent. And so, you know, it's funny sitting with you because I trust you and I like understand what you do. But I also wanted to talk about like the ethical line between guidance and financial advice because like I'm not someone who ever would tell some like, you know, people who follow me to day trade or to like take tips and things like that. So how do you sort of navigate that?

• 21:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, I am not a financial analyst or planner or trader or anything. So I am not licensed to give any of that kind of advice. But what I do like to do is look at someone's chart and say, here are the sectors that you have an intuitive awareness of and talk to your financial planner and see how you can work with your chart and these particular sectors and, and, and, and make trades based on, on your own unique blueprint.

• 21:50Haley Sacks?

  Like you were saying that you, one of your sectors that doesn't work is food. And so when you-

• 21:54Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 21:55Haley Sacks?

  So tell us about when you invested in Beyond Meat.

• 21:57Speaker 02

  Okay. Well, I, I, I really was interested in, I invested with my heart. I'm a big fan of Beyond Meat and I've, you know, been a mostly a plant-based eater for most of my life. And so I did, I got in, you know, when they had their IPO and I did lose quite a bit of money on that one. And after that point, and then I invested in Oatly too. And so it was, you know, very soon I realized food is not my sector. I know. But my, so there are specific money points in your chart. The second house and the eighth house both determine what your, where money, where you can find money. So the second house is like

• 22:39Speaker 02

  your cash flow. It is the money that you spend. It's what you like to spend on. If you're looking at revising your budget, the second house is your, is your go to. And the second house also shows where we could have success in business. For example, can I talk about your second house?

• 22:55Haley Sacks?

  Of course.

• 22:56Speaker 02

  So your second house is governed by Sagittarius and that, which is fantastic because Sagittarius is a, is a, a sign that relates to publishing, teaching. It also relates to imports, exports, uh, let's see, what can, higher education, uh, but publishing. So anything you do in publishing, podcasting, in any kind of education that you're doing or, or, you know, you are a teacher in many ways.

• 23:28Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 23:29Speaker 02

  Uh, those are all going to be places where you can find success relatively easy. You don't have to work too hard to attract money or to attract wealth in those sectors.

• 23:39Haley Sacks?

  You know what's interesting? Rachel's like, I feel like I have a really good relationship with money. Like where it's like, I feel like it flows very easily to me.

• 23:47Speaker 02

  Mm hmm. Absolutely.

• 23:49Haley Sacks?

  And it's, yeah, like I wonder like, and, but if you're not someone who feels like that, how can you work through that to, you know, bring that in? Cause of course it's like hard work. You've got to negotiate. You have to increase your human capital so that you can be in a position to make more money. You need to like, make sure that you're not overspending and, you know, avoid the traps of consumerism that fall, you know, get all of us. But beyond that, are there ways to be in relationship with money that maybe make us feel like we're, you know, attracting it more?

• 24:19Speaker 02

  Mm hmm. The second house is the key to doing that. So yes, I think absolutely. It's a combination of things. One, knowing yourself, knowing where those money beliefs are rooted.

• 24:31Haley Sacks?

  That's so big.

• 24:32Speaker 02

  We all have them.

• 24:33Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 24:33Speaker 02

  And I know for me, growing up when I did, that a lot of the messages I received about money were, you gotta marry someone rich.

• 24:40Haley Sacks?

  Oh, same.

• 24:42Speaker 02

  And, and.

• 24:43Haley Sacks?

  Or like a man's gonna take care of you.

• 24:44Speaker 02

  A man's gonna take care of you.

• 24:46Haley Sacks?

  I got that one.

• 24:46Speaker 02

  Or you're an artist, you better have a fallback, you're never gonna make money. So those messages defined a lot of my life. And things really shifted for me, one, when I started to realize that there, that there were keys in my astrology chart that could help me overcome that. That by leaning on certain talents that I had and certain skills, taking the creativity and the artistry that I was born with, that I could create wealth for myself.

• 25:16Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 25:17Speaker 02

  And then I could help my clients. And so for me, it was a real mission to, to unlock those beliefs and to free up my own financial potential. And once I did that, then I got really excited about specifically helping women. Because so many women, like you, you shared just now, so many of us received those kinds of messages. But those kinds of messages kept a lot of us from experiencing the fullness of our power and the fullness of our rich potential.

• 25:48Haley Sacks?

  A hundred percent. It's like so patriarchal.

• 25:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:50Haley Sacks?

  Yeah. Where it's like, it keeps you stuck.

• 25:52Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 25:53Haley Sacks?

  But so in many ways, it's like, yes, you're an astrologist, but you're really a coach too. Like you're just like a, someone to believe in your client and like, tell them that they can do it.

• 26:03Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 26:03Haley Sacks?

  Which I think is so powerful. Like I believe so much in having people in your corner to sort of help you feel brave, because it could be really scary to take, you know, control of your finances and do this work.

• 26:14Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 26:14Haley Sacks?

  So whatever works. Okay. So Rachel, you have like a crazy clientele list. Obviously, we can't name names because you would get docs. Like it is basically Heidi Fleiss's book, but it's not of like men who are looking for prostitutes. It's like, you know, just CEOs who are looking for some financial advice. But I, you know.

• 26:34Haley Sacks?

  Talk to us about these people. They're running companies or with the most powerful people in the world. You're giving them astrological advice to help them make decisions. Like, are these world leaders more spiritual than like we realize?

• 26:48Speaker 02

  Yes. So there's a quote by JP Morgan. He said, he's quoted as saying, "That millionaires don't use astrology, billionaires do."

• 26:58Haley Sacks?

  Whoa.

• 26:58Speaker 02

  Yes. And I found that to be true. I mean, I think, I work with some millionaires, too. But a lot of the people-

• 27:06Haley Sacks?

  You're like, "I only do the bees."

• 27:07Speaker 02

  Yes, exactly. No, I'll take anybody. But a lot of people who are thought leaders, creators, entrepreneurs, founders, a lot of people who are in leadership positions are open-minded, and they are interested in using every tool at their disposal to achieve the goals that they have. And so I've worked with founders, taking their company from a seedling idea to an IPO.

• 27:38Haley Sacks?

  That's crazy.

• 27:38Speaker 02

  It's so exciting. And nothing makes me more-

• 27:41Haley Sacks?

  I tell you, I'm like, "Oh, you should launch on this day." And like, "Here's when we should do the IPO." That's so crazy.

• 27:46Speaker 02

  Right.

• 27:47Haley Sacks?

  Wow.

• 27:47Speaker 02

  And I've also helped directors, producers, with show casting, looking at the charts of different actors that they want to have. How does their chemistry work? How do they work together? I've worked with musicians, planning music tours, leaders. And you can use astrology for pretty much any major decision that you have in your business or in your life. And astrology's not predictive. It's not fortune-telling. And I think it gets a bad rap. I think a lot of people think about astrology in that context. But really, what astrology is, is it's pattern recognition. So we have these cycles, planetary cycles

• 28:29Speaker 02

  that are like clockwork. They repeat themselves over and over again.

• 28:33Haley Sacks?

  By the way, same with the stock market.

• 28:34Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 28:34Haley Sacks?

  It is a cycle as well. Like, people get so freaked out when it's like going down, but it's like, it always comes back.

• 28:40Speaker 02

  Absolutely. And there's a correlation between those stock market cycles and-

• 28:47Speaker 02

  Astrological cycles.

• 28:49Haley Sacks?

  Wow.

• 28:49Speaker 02

  For example, there is, there are these, these peaks and these valleys, these peaks and highs and lows. And we can track that with the north node, where the north node is. And the north node, when it's in certain signs, between, usually between Aquarius and Capricorn, we've seen a lot of major recessions during that time.

• 29:11Haley Sacks?

  Wow.

• 29:12Speaker 02

  And then 19 years later, we have that same cycle repeating. So different, different astrological cycles will show us when we are, when we could expect major economic upheaval. And we're going into, I'm not going to be a doomsday astrologer.

• 29:32Haley Sacks?

  I know.

• 29:33Speaker 02

  But we're going into one of those next year. And so anytime I'm working with clients.

• 29:37Haley Sacks?

  Rachel, you told us that we weren't, that you were, we shouldn't stop scrolling when they say the scary thing.

• 29:42Speaker 02

  I'm not, I'm gonna, I'm not gonna, don't be, there's nothing to be afraid of.

• 29:46Haley Sacks?

  Yes.

• 29:46Speaker 02

  Because if you.

• 29:47Haley Sacks?

  It always comes back.

• 29:47Speaker 02

  It always comes back. And if you have cash, or if you have any kind of money to put into the market.

• 29:53Haley Sacks?

  That's your buying on sale, baby.

• 29:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 29:55Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 29:56Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 29:56Haley Sacks?

  For doubling down.

• 29:57Speaker 02

  Yes, or you could also be prepared. You can look at, well, maybe if you're starting a business, do you want to be starting this particular business in a slower economy?

• 30:07Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 30:08Speaker 02

  If you're selling a house, do you want to be selling your house in that particular economy? So we work with those kinds of decisions. Is expansion of a company optimal when we're going into one of those dips? So these are the kinds of things that astrology can show us. It can show us those larger market trends. So economists use these data points, these historic reference points, astrologers use them too. We use, one, those economic data points.

• 30:38Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 30:39Speaker 02

  Because any financial astrologer, or most astrologers who are working with businesses are very practical. A lot of us were trained in business.

• 30:48Haley Sacks?

  You have a marketing, you have like this whole marketing background.

• 30:51Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 30:51Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 30:52Speaker 02

  And so we're not.

• 30:55Speaker 02

  I think a lot of people think that astrology is just this woo woo field.

• 30:59Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 31:00Speaker 02

  And, and maybe there are some astrologers who practice that way, but many of us who are working with businesses, we have a business background. We are looking at those same indicators that an economist is looking at, only we're also looking at how those indicators relate to

• 31:16Haley Sacks?

  The stars.

• 31:16Speaker 02

  The stars, the planets.

• 31:17Haley Sacks?

  So interesting. That makes so much sense. So is there, so you're basically saying there is like this whole astrological philosophy around like timing launches and investments and career moves and mercury retrograde. But what I also think is interesting about your work is that you look at companies as like you will read their signs. Like you read the sign of this podcast, you're like, oh, it's a Capricorn. So I wanted to know about the SpaceX IPO. Like, what do we think about that astrologically?

• 31:51Speaker 02

  Well, so it's, I think it's

• 31:53Haley Sacks?

  Is it gonna be a trillion? Like, should we do it? It was a crazy filing.

• 31:57Speaker 02

  I know, I know. Well, and I will say, just my caveat, I'm not licensed to give you

• 32:01Haley Sacks?

  Of course not. But we need to know the tea.

• 32:04Speaker 02

  And my wife's an attorney, so she told me, don't talk about specific companies.

• 32:08Haley Sacks?

  Well, we can, as long as we caveat it.

• 32:10Speaker 02

  Yes, yes. So

• 32:11Haley Sacks?

  Everything that you hear here, you can use at your own discretion.

• 32:14Speaker 02

  Absolutely. The SpaceX IPO is really interesting because we are now in a new era in terms of investments and in terms of the economy called the air economy. And air, the air, the element of air relates to anything space oriented, anything media oriented that's transferring over the airwaves, transportation, communications. SpaceX is launching at a time when Uranus has just entered into the sign of Gemini. And SpaceX, it's, it's launching in June 12th. Is that correct? That's the date? Yes. So that's, the sun's in Gemini. So SpaceX, what it's going to do, this IPO, and there are others that are happening right

• 32:56Speaker 02

  around then, is it's going to propel that whole sector that is already getting so much attention with these outer planets.

• 33:04Haley Sacks?

  So it's gonna be, it's gonna like push them all into the spotlight. But whether or not, do you think that it's gonna be the one, though? Like?

• 33:11Speaker 02

  Well, here's the thing about the planet Uranus, which is the planet that relates to where we're seeing the biggest technological innovation. Uranus can bring ups and downs. It can bring highs and lows. So I think it's going to totally disrupt that whole industry space and communications, but also defense and SpaceX, any space or aviation stocks are going to be bleeding into the defense area as well. So I think SpaceX is going to, I think SpaceX has the potential to really go big.

• 33:52Speaker 02

  But I think we want to be careful because anywhere that Uranus is, we can see a lot of ups and downs, highs and lows. And I think we'll see other stocks in that sector rising up because of all the attention on that sector right now. Looking at the stock for, you know, June 12th, looking at those dates, there's a lot that's happening in June, gearing up for the Mercury retrograde that happens at the end of June. Jupiter's at the end of its cancerian cycle. So there's a lot of changes. Planetary cycle is changing, starting, ending in June anyway. And so I would, I would, if we were working together and you were asking me that specific

• 34:37Speaker 02

  question, I would talk about the potential, the potential challenges with it, and I would also talk about the potential opportunities. But I think that whole sector, anything involving space, is going to be getting a lot of attention over the next seven years. Also, anything in aviation. And I think that the SpaceX IPO is just going to boost any other, any other stocks in that sector. So I think-

• 35:04Haley Sacks?

  It's going to like normalize it.

• 35:05Speaker 02

  Yes, exactly.

• 35:06Haley Sacks?

  Like if you're going to see regular people investing in space.

• 35:09Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 35:09Haley Sacks?

  Yeah. What is the most that a client of yours has ever made based on your guidance?

• 35:14Speaker 02

  I have worked with people who, we started working together when they were making, you know, $100,000 a year. And within just a few years, seeing them have billion dollar-

• 35:28Speaker 02

  Venture capitalist rounds, seeing them, seeing their companies go public. It's one of the most rewarding experiences that I have as an astrologer who loves helping people. I love helping people find pathways to their dreams.

• 35:45Haley Sacks?

  That's so cool.

• 35:46Speaker 02

  And so I have, I have a client right now, nutraceutical company, and we are looking at a billion dollar merger acquisition.

• 35:56Haley Sacks?

  Whoa.

• 35:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:58Haley Sacks?

  And when did you start with them?

• 36:00Speaker 02

  I started with them about four years ago. And it, and I've, I've weathered all kinds of FDA regulations and all kinds of major milestones with them. And I feel a lot of ownership, actually, with my, with my clients. I feel like their success is my success. And, and so when I see them achieving outcomes that are beyond their dreams, I feel like I'm experiencing that same kind of success.

• 36:34Haley Sacks?

  Do you feel like you should have equity in these companies?

• 36:38Speaker 02

  That there are some that I have.

• 36:40Haley Sacks?

  Oh, that's good.

• 36:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, there are some that I have, not all of them. Because some people, some founders come to me and they come to me as individuals and then they realize, oh, you can do this for my business, too.

• 36:50Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 36:51Speaker 02

  Some companies I've worked with, I do have equity. And, and then that does make me even more, I'm very, I'm very competitive. I'm very ambitious. I'm very competitive. I've got that, I've got a lot of Scorpio placements in my chart. So, so I can be, I can be very passionate when I, when I see the potential of something. And, and so, yes, that, that, that I like to, I think it makes sense sometimes to have an equity or to have some kind of success fee because, because then I'm bought in.

• 37:26Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, I got that.

• 37:27Speaker 02

  So, yeah.

• 37:28Haley Sacks?

  That makes a lot of sense.

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• 38:31Haley Sacks?

  Okay, so you've had an incredible 36.4 average ROI since 2019, which like blows most hedge funds out of the water. That is insane. Can you explain like how that happened? Like, how do you calculate that? Like, what, like, we need to know this, like, do you have a fund that we can all invest in? Like, what's the deal?

• 38:53Speaker 02

  I should start one.

• 38:53Haley Sacks?

  You need like an astrology, like, index fund?

• 38:57Speaker 02

  Right. And I actually do. I have two VC funds that I work with.

• 39:00Haley Sacks?

  Oh, cool.

• 39:00Speaker 02

  Very closely. So, yeah, so and it surprised me when I was interviewed for The Cut. I did, I didn't know that percentage. And then I looked at it and I thought, oh, my gosh. Wow. You know, I grew up in a very working class family. My dad's an art teacher. My mom was, works, runs a nonprofit. And so I didn't have a lot of financial education.

• 39:24Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 39:25Speaker 02

  Or mentoring. It was about 2019 when I realized I need to, I need to do something different. Because what I'd been doing wasn't working. I wasn't building wealth. And I was ready to take my whole life to another, to another level. And so I started to really mentor with a financial astrologer, who is one of the best in the world. And I started to find out, not only when to get in and when to buy, but when to sell. Because I think some of the success that I've had, and so knowing when to get in and when to get out. So I watch it, I look at it every Every day and I'm always looking at the charts of different companies that I invest in and seeing number one, what is the success like of that chart?

• 40:11Speaker 02

  Where is it going? What kinds of trends are going to be happening with it? But then I also look at how that chart and I relate to one another. So I treat it very much like I would treat a friend or a partner looking at compatibility. And before I started really getting into financial astrology, I did a lot of love, a lot. And that was my main thing, helping people with their love lives. And, and also just other goals that they had, but a lot of personal. And so I got to know compatibility like the back of my hand. And so now I can take any IPO date chart, any chart for any IPO.

• 40:53Speaker 02

  And I can look at it with my chart or with my client's chart and see, are we going to have a good relationship?

• 41:00Haley Sacks?

  I wanted to just quickly touch on prediction markets because you recently have started using astrology to bet on them. You know, prediction markets like Colsey and specifically, you've been betting on which politicians are going to get fired? I hear that you have made money off of Kristi Noem and Pam Bondi losing power. So who do you think is the most astrologically doomed person in Washington right now? Like, who are we betting against next? Kash Patel?

• 41:29Speaker 02

  I, I think Kash Patel is at risk. I actually think Trump.

• 41:32Haley Sacks?

  Yeah. Oh.

• 41:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:34Haley Sacks?

  Cause you, yeah, you mentioned putting money down on Donald Trump being out of office because the astrology shows major changes in power by 2027.

• 41:42Speaker 02

  Yes, and the chart for the inauguration of Trump's second term had, has a lot of instability. And so that chart, just looking at that chart, we can see that he's likely not going to finish out his term. And the eclipses, eclipses are catalysts. They signify major turning points and a lot of times turning points in leadership. Who's in power, who's not? We saw this with the Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei. He had those February eclipses. He had the February 17th eclipse aspecting his son or some of his personal planets. We, that, those eclipses also aspected Trump and Vance and Netanyahu.

• 42:32Speaker 02

  The charts of the US, the charts of Israel, because countries have charts too. And so we see a lot of activity happening around eclipses. Trump is born on an eclipse.

• 42:43Haley Sacks?

  Whoa.

• 42:43Speaker 02

  Yes. So eclipses happen. Anytime there's been a major, he was born on a lunar eclipse. Anytime there's been a lunar eclipse, we see something happening with him, either his health or an assassination attempt. And so we have eclipses in August that activates some very sensitive points in his chart.

• 43:03Haley Sacks?

  Wow.

• 43:04Speaker 02

  Mm hmm. Yes, and I'm not-

• 43:05Haley Sacks?

  He needs to hire you.

• 43:06Speaker 02

  You know what? Yes. You know, we saw, I saw those assassination attempts during his campaign.

• 43:13Haley Sacks?

  You saw those astrologically?

• 43:14Speaker 02

  Yes. Yes.

• 43:16Haley Sacks?

  Whoa. So they weren't fake?

• 43:18Speaker 02

  I mean, I think they probably were fake. I think, I think, I think one of them was. I think one of them wasn't. And I think the more recent one probably was. You can see times when leaders or individuals might need to be more careful when their health could be in risk. You can also see times when you want to be extra careful walking down the street. Yeah. So I think, I think a lot of world leaders have astrologers. And, you know, Ronald Reagan was very public about his astrologer. And so a lot of them have astrologers. They just don't talk about it.

• 43:57Haley Sacks?

  For my listeners, what would you give, what advice would you give them if they wanted to start using astrology to guide their finances?

• 44:05Speaker 02

  The best piece of advice that I got started with when I started working diligently with financial astrology was follow the moon. This is the easiest thing that anyone who doesn't, who knows just the bare minimum about astrology can work with. And the general idea is buy at the new moon, sell at the full moon. And this is like clockwork, like I said, these are very, these are established rhythms that we naturally have. And so watch the moon.

• 44:40Haley Sacks?

  Follow the moon. Okay, great. And you're giving advice, you're helping people, of course, but do you ever feel like, like financial astrology could become exploitative? I mean, there must be other people who do things that are similar to you, but you do it in a way that you would never do it.

• 44:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:55Haley Sacks?

  So what should we look out for?

• 44:56Speaker 02

  Well, first of all, I think be wary of anyone who says that they have all the answers, or anyone who's not licensed to give financial advice, saying, here's my financial advice.

• 45:08Haley Sacks?

  Yep.

• 45:09Speaker 02

  Got to be very careful. Also, there's an accreditation process for astrologers.

• 45:14Haley Sacks?

  Oh, wow. I love that.

• 45:15Speaker 02

  And there are recognized organizations that have very strict guidelines for who's certified and who's not.

• 45:23Haley Sacks?

  Can you read the astrology of my followers? Like, as a group, are they like, do they have a chart?

• 45:29Speaker 02

  So we can see your followers through your chart.

• 45:32Haley Sacks?

  Okay, cool. So guys, listen up.

• 45:34Speaker 02

  Listen, the moon relates to our audience and our customers. So if you're a founder or you're working in a client business, the, the moon is the kinds of people who you attract easily without much work and what people want to hear from you. So your moon's in Cancer, so your, your audience is probably a lot of women, and also people who want to have families, who want to create generational wealth.

• 46:02Haley Sacks?

  Yeah, that's such a, that's so funny. That's a huge pillar for me of is the generational wealth thing. Like, and maybe it comes from the Cancer in my chart too, where it's like the creating of the security. But that's like, my biggest videos are about generational wealth.

• 46:14Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 46:15Haley Sacks?

  So interesting.

• 46:16Speaker 02

  It is. And that's what people, that's what people, that's what you're, so your audience, anyone who, who loves hearing what, hearing what you have to say, and your, your readers, they're going to connect to you as being like a mentor, as being like mama bear protector. So you emit that, that energy to them.

• 46:38Haley Sacks?

  Love that.

• 46:39Speaker 02

  So the audience is the moon. Those are your people. And in a business chart, that's also your customers. So, so for

• 46:48Haley Sacks?

  Okay, this is the official chart of the sippers.

• 46:51Speaker 02

  So your sippers are people who want bigger lives.

• 46:54Haley Sacks?

  Yeah.

• 46:54Speaker 02

  They want to expand what they have and they want to expand their worldview. They want to travel. They want the freedom of money. And any, I love a Sagittarius moon. I also love your, the financial tea. Your, your podcast has a Libra rising.

• 47:11Haley Sacks?

  Ooh.

• 47:12Speaker 02

  Yes. And so it, that, the Libra rising gives people the ability to really see themselves in your work. And so it's, you've got a nice balanced approach. It's, you've got that sense of helping people to, to have the, the life they want. And your, your podcast was started during this really cool series of transits called Triple Kazimi.

• 47:37Haley Sacks?

  Triple Kazimi.

• 47:39Speaker 02

  Triple Kazimi.

• 47:40Haley Sacks?

  Oh my God, the Triple Kazimi.

• 47:41Speaker 02

  Yes, yes.

• 47:42Haley Sacks?

  Oh damn. Sony is like so excited to hear that.

• 47:44Speaker 02

  Yes, in Capricorn.

• 47:46Haley Sacks?

  Triple Kazidi in Capricorn. Oh my gosh.

• 47:49Speaker 02

  If I could have picked a date for you, I would have picked this date.

• 47:52Haley Sacks?

  You would have picked Triple Kazidi?

• 47:54Speaker 02

  Yes, I would have.

• 47:54Haley Sacks?

  Whoa, okay, crazy.

• 47:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, because

• 47:58Haley Sacks?

  The student became the teacher.

• 48:00Speaker 02

  Exactly. Right. Whenever we have a planet meeting up in the heart of the sun, meaning very close to the sun, then we have a new cycle starting with that, that planet. And that planet gets a lot of extra light and a lot of extra energy. So in January of 2026, we had Mercury, Venus and Mars all moving back and forth in that Kazimi position with the sun.

• 48:24Haley Sacks?

  Kazimi.

• 48:24Speaker 02

  It is, it's Kazimi. So your chart has, has those conjunctions present within it in the sign of Capricorn, which is very goal oriented, very focused, and that Sagittarius moon. So the sippers are in being well taken care of and you're here to teach them how they can have the expansive financial life that they most desire.

• 48:50Haley Sacks?

  Love it. Well, thank you so much for being on The financial tea, Rachel. Thank you. This was so awesome. Thank you so much. You did an amazing job. Thank you. And we will see you guys next week. Thank you so much. Stay rich.

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