#324 Father Ripperger - The Signs of Diabolical Influence in America

Father Chad Ripperger is a Roman Catholic priest, theologian, philosopher, and exorcist serving in the Archdiocese of Denver. He is the founder and superior general of the Society of the Most Sorrowful Mother (Doloran Fathers) and is widely known for his teaching on spiritual warfare, virtue, Thomistic philosophy, and Catholic theology. A prolific author and sought-after speaker, Father Ripperger has written numerous books and lectures extensively on prayer, the spiritual life, and the Church's ministry of deliverance. Download Glacier Today. Privacy isn't paranoia, it's protection. Website - theglacierapp.com App Store - https://apps.apple.com/us/app/glacier-app/id6776005049 Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: Head to https://superpower.com and use code SRS at checkout for $20 off your membership. Unlock your new health intelligence with 100+ biomarkers tested every year to detect early signs of 1,000+ conditions. Ready to upgrade your eyewear? Check them out at https://roka.com and use code SRS for 20% off sitewide. SpotOn GPS Fence — trusted by Shawn Ryan for his dog Stanley. The most reliable GPS dog fence: 100% secure from backyard to backcountry with virtual boundaries you control from your phone. No wires, no digging. Sets up in minutes, any size, any shape, anywhere. Learn more: https://spotonfence.com/srs Live better longer with BUBS Naturals. Get 20% OFF on collagen, MCT creamers, and more with code SHAWN at https://bubsnaturals.com/srs Right now, Babbel is offering listeners up to 60% off. Go to https://Babbel.com/SRS Father Ripperger Links: All Books - https://sentradpress.com Society of the Most Sorrowful Mother - https://dolorans.org Sensus Traditionis - https://sensustraditionis.org Dominion: The Nature of Diabolic Warfare - https://sentradpress.com/product/dominion-the-nature-of-diabolic-warfare Dominion: The Nature of Diabolic Warfare (amazon) - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09TMT4B9X Deliverance Prayers: For Use by the Laity (amazon) - https://www.amazon.com/dp/154105671X Deliverance Prayers: For Use by the Laity - https://sentradpress.com/product/deliverance-prayers-for-use-by-the-laity Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 1:04Shawn Ryan?

  Father Ripperger.

• 1:06Speaker 03

  Sean, it's good to see you again.

• 1:07Shawn Ryan?

  It's good to be here.

• 1:08Speaker 03

  Welcome to our place.

• 1:10Shawn Ryan?

  It's beautiful here. I would love to get a tour here.

• 1:14Speaker 03

  Oh, absolutely. Afterwards, we'll do it.

• 1:16Shawn Ryan?

  Perfect. Well, like I said, it's great to see you again, and I've had a great couple of days here. Got some heavy work done. And so, we've got a lot to talk about. I've been highlighting a lot of evil the past couple of years, and I haven't talked much about the good side. And so, I fully intend to do that today. But before we get started, everybody gets a gift.

• 1:46Speaker 03

  Oh, that's right, yeah.

• 1:53Speaker 03

  So... That's awesome.

• 1:56Shawn Ryan?

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• 2:15Speaker 03

  We'll have to... Thank you very much. We'll have to test it out later this afternoon.

• 2:19Shawn Ryan?

  We'll definitely do that.

• 2:21Speaker 03

  Thank you very much. Your last gift was well-received. Let's just put it that way.

• 2:26Shawn Ryan?

  Well, my friend Jason over at SIG is a huge fan of you as well, and he wanted me to gift that to you, so...

• 2:31Speaker 03

  Yeah. Very good. Thank you very much.

• 2:38Shawn Ryan?

  So before we get started, if you don't mind, could you please lead us in prayer?

• 2:41Speaker 03

  Sure. In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, amen. Direct, O Lord, all our actions by thy holy inspirations and carry them on by thy gracious assistance, so that every prayer and work of ours may begin from thee and by thee, be happy through Christ our Lord. Amen.

• 2:56Shawn Ryan?

  Amen.

• 2:57Speaker 03

  In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, amen.

• 2:59Shawn Ryan?

  So I'm gonna be honest. I actually came here originally, my plan was a completely different agenda. And I came here to attempt to

• 3:12Shawn Ryan?

  eviscerate and destroy two politicians within the current administration that I think are going to over-exaggerate their allegiance to the Catholic Church to try to sway the Catholic vote. And I'm not gonna do that.

• 3:32Shawn Ryan?

  The last couple of weeks, I've just realized that the battle maybe isn't over the country, not even over the world. It's over our souls and over our mind. And I don't think it matters who walks into that office. It is going to be somebody under heavy diabolical influence, maybe even straight Satanism. And I think what we're seeing today is human sacrifice. I don't think it matters what side gets in there. They're either going to send our youth to war to die for another country, or they're going to psychologically mutilate their brains and convince them to mutilate their bodies and dismember themselves.

• 4:17Shawn Ryan?

  And I think that it all goes down to human sacrifice.

• 4:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:22Shawn Ryan?

  Do you believe that?

• 4:23Speaker 03

  Uh, I do. I think for some time, this was about 10 years ago, I made an observation in a public conference that this is no longer a battle of ideas. It's no longer a battle of, you know, do people have differences of opinions? This is a battle of good and evil at this point. And so, many of the patterns which we see in the psychological behavior of people who are diabolically influenced, you see those same patterns in the people that are running the government and, you know, in positions of power. And so, for the longest time, I've known that this is ultimately a battle over good and evil at this point.

• 5:04Speaker 03

  So regardless of what, as you mentioned, regardless of whichever political party or whoever gets in there, you know, you can shuffle the chairs on the deck of the Titanic, but it's still gonna go down if people don't address this in a spiritual manner.

• 5:18Shawn Ryan?

  I'll tell you one thing I've learned over the past several weeks is I will never put my hope or faith in another man ever again.

• 5:28Speaker 03

  And it says it right in the scripture, right? It's better to trust in God than in princes, because they'll end up selling you out every time. I actually saw this even with when the Jews said, "We wanted a king." They told God they wanted a king, which is ironic, because the Jews were the only ones who ever had a theocracy, an authentic theocracy in the entire history of the world, and they still said they wanted a king. So then he says, "Well, this is what he's gonna do. If I give you the king, this is what he's gonna do to you." And, you know, he's gonna send your children off to war. He's gonna, you know, take your best lands. He's gonna do this, that, and the other thing. And they said, "We still want a king." Soon.

• 6:04Shawn Ryan?

  We never learn.

• 6:05Speaker 03

  We don't learn.

• 6:07Shawn Ryan?

  So before we get to the good stuff, I do want to cover the alien topic again.

• 6:13Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 6:14Shawn Ryan?

  I think it's a dark topic, and I have an inclination that's already been put out in messaging that the aliens wrote the Bible to control humanity. That's already a narrative that's being spread.

• 6:32Speaker 03

  Right.

• 6:32Shawn Ryan?

  We have a timeline of events here that's going on. I'll read them real quick.

• 6:44Shawn Ryan?

  And the timeline seems to be speeding up. Here's the last couple of months. March 2026, Vice President Vance says publicly he believes UFOs are demons. The spiritual read reaches the second-highest office in the country. May of 2026, the US government releases UFO files in splashy, headline-grabbing fashion. Disclosure moves from fringe to official. Late May, a group of charismatic pastors claims US officials met with them and warned them to prepare their churches for the theological implications of disclosure.

• 7:22Shawn Ryan?

  May 29th to June 3rd, Steven Rosetti posted video, "Most UFO sightings are in fact demons." Cardinal Melroy removes him at Washington DC's Exorcist within days.

• 7:35Speaker 03

  Right.

• 7:36Shawn Ryan?

  June 7th, Spielberg on CBS Morning frames the faith question for a mass audience. Is our God... Is God our God only on this planet? June 12th, Disclosure Day opens nationwide in a film which the government releases UFO files mirroring real events three weeks earlier.

• 7:56Speaker 03

  Right.

• 7:59Shawn Ryan?

  Why are we seeing this sudden fascination within our government in a sped-up timeline in UFO and disclosure release along the coincides with Hollywood?

• 8:13Speaker 03

  My only... You know, ultimately, I don't know why they're going to do it other than it's just another aspect of trying to control people psychologically or to manipulate people. And so, that's... Part of it is too is that they're playing on the fact that people generally are pretty ignorant about history, like, you know, as we were mentioning, that, you know, that the scriptures were actually written by aliens, that type of thing. Or that the aliens actually come here to offer us a way to save humanity, so they want to supplant Christianity and that type of thing. And so, my suspicion is, you know, again, and how much evidence I would have for it, I don't really know.

• 8:57Speaker 03

  But my suspicion is is that a lot of the people that are in government are actually anti-Christian, and so part of their way, what their goal is, is to supplant Christianity by an alternative explanation of our origins and things of that sort.

• 9:11Shawn Ryan?

  Do you think it is a possibility that the narrative that they are going to try to destroy Christianity by saying that aliens wrote the Bible to control us? Do you think that is an actual possibility?

• 9:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, actually, if you look at the history of, like, for example, of, I mean, the supposed alien communication with people other than, say, abductions, but there's also where people claim to have some type of communication with aliens on another planet through astral projection or some other form of communication. It's always to supplant Christianity as the solution to man's problems. The demons, or not the demons so much, but, because we can get into that too. But the aliens always say, "Well, we, you know, we're here, we're coming, or this is what we want to communicate to you to provide a solution to all of man's problems. We can help you out with that."

• 10:05Speaker 03

  And then sometimes they even will propose that, you know, that human beings originated for that they were basically just the spawn or the seeds from their having visited our planet in the past. So it's basically a whole supplanting of the Genesis narrative about man's origins and things of that sort. So the whole idea is to supplant Christianity as the actual understanding of reality ultimately.

• 10:36Shawn Ryan?

  Would God have made another race somewhere else in the universe?

• 10:41Speaker 03

  Uh, well, there's two...

• 10:45Speaker 03

  My view of all these things tends to be very complex because of the fact that as an exorcist, I follow what's called the principle of evidence very closely. And the principle of evidence says that the certitude of our judgment about something is based upon the certitude of the evidence. So if the evidence doesn't give a certitude, we can kind of arrive at a conclusion, but we don't have that same degree of certitude that you would have of, you know, if you actually saw something or that type of thing. And so, that being said, the, if you actually look at the actual evidence for the possibility of them living in other locations, it has to, then you have to address questions like,

• 11:30Speaker 03

  is macro-evolution, not micro-evolution, is macro-evolution even possible? Is it scientifically possible, which is very problematic. Theologically and philosophically, there's all sorts of problems with it. The other, and so, and the reason for that is, is because the theory is, is that if there was evolution here, then that means there's, there would be evolution in the other parts of the universe. And so, there would be beings that would, you know, evolve maybe before us and therefore be more intelligent, etc. And so, that's kind of the scientific background that they kind of give to it. But the evolution question is obviously a whole kind of an interview on its own.

• 12:11Speaker 03

  But it's, but that's, that's, that's one of the questions that has to actually be answered first. The second thing then is, as I've read, top-tier astrophysicists, who actually are really serious about, you know, not just, because we see something in the sky that we can't explain and therefore we conclude that they're from another planet. And that's where the principle of evidence is actually violated. Because, in point in fact, just because you see something you can't explain, doesn't mean there's people in other planets. That's a logical leap that is, that's problematic. And then, if the, and then, so, and then the abduction questions, which are often linked to those two things, then also has another possible explanation, etc.

• 12:55Speaker 03

  So, what's happening is, is that people are not following the principle of evidence closely. But when you read the astrophysicists, the top-tier astrophysicists, they're all very adamant in saying that the energy requirements to be able to travel, even from like one of our closest neighbors, is so extreme that it's, it's, it's not reasonable to presume that it's even possible, I mean, based upon the science and the mathematics.

• 13:23Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, why would God create other beings anyways? I mean, he loves us so much.

• 13:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:31Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, we see, I can feel the battle within me of good and evil. I can, I can, I can feel, I think a lot of people can feel it.

• 13:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, in a certain sense, uh...

• 13:42Shawn Ryan?

  And, and, and just a caveat to that, I mean, we're the only species on the planet that even is aware of its own death.

• 13:49Speaker 03

  That's correct. Yeah.

• 13:50Shawn Ryan?

  Why wouldn't he make another superintelligence here on this planet? Why, why would it, why?

• 13:56Speaker 03

  Well, so, and therein actually lies a, a, a specific philosophical question. The, if you actually look at, there's a principle called the hierarchy of being, which basically means that when God created the universe, he created it in a hierarchy from the lowest thing, like the lowest elements, rocks, that type of thing, all the way up through the highest, which is the angels at the very top. And there's, every single intermediate stage has some kind of a being. This is why we see all sorts of different kind of animals and that type of thing, up that goes up through the gradation. And the human beings are, as we read in scripture, a little less than the angels. So, we're the ones that bridge the gap between the angels and animals, because we're a rational animal, right? So, we're animals, but we have rationality, and that's why we are the only ones that

• 14:41Speaker 03

  have knowledge of that type of thing. And so, what, and then, to put it in philosophical terms, the specific difference that human beings have from other animals is precisely the fact that we're rational, we're intelligent, and we can know these things. So, that's what makes us specifically different. If there are, if you have other beings and other planets, then you'd actually have a problem with the principle, the hierarchy of being, because you'd have to have two beings that have the same specific difference, but they're not in the same species. The other part of it is too, is, and this is where the, the real supplanting of Christianity occurs, I know there's theologians who have tried to argue contrary to this, but it never

• 15:20Speaker 03

  washed, which is basically, if Adam and Eve were created in a state of perfection, and then, there was a fall as a result of that, then when Christ came, he came specifically to redeem Adam's line, or not, yeah, Adam's line. His whole, in fact, the fathers say that where the crucifixion took place is directly over the tomb where Saint, where Adam was buried, specifically to indicate that his, was the spilling of his blood to redeem the line of Adam. And so, original sin, which was committed, which we all get, we all, we're all messed up as a result of that, is passed on through human nature, okay? If that was the case, then you would actually, if that's the case theologically, which,

• 16:04Speaker 03

  you know, we all believe, even Protestants recognize that there was this sin that they originally committed, and now we're all kind of affected by it, then what happens is, you would actually have beings in the universe, intelligent beings, that were not from the line of Adam, but were now subject to the effects, because Saint Paul says that, and which we actually see, says the whole of creation groans under the weight of the, of the sin, basically of Adam. In other words, all of the, all of the universe got affected as a result of Adam's sin, because he was the one that was placed in dominion over the totality of the naturally created order. And so, when he fell, he took the whole created order with him, and that's why we

• 16:45Speaker 03

  see death among animals, this is why we see starvation even among animals and things like that, so even they suffer as a result of that. Well, you'd actually have a being that didn't actually, wasn't in that line, and you'd still be somehow subject to it. And so, this is, that creates a theological problem. There's all sorts of other issues that actually arise in relationship to the whole positing of those creatures in another location. The second part about it is, is that if, if you, if the fathers of the church, so the fathers of the church are those that were writing from right at the death of the last apostles up until about 800 to 1,000. And the reason why in the church, we tend to pay quite a bit of attention to them, is

• 17:28Speaker 03

  because they were so close to the time of the apostles, that they actually had the tradition in certain things from the apostles that was still intact. So, they actually understood, you know, when the apostles wrote certain things in scripture, what those things meant, because they had this proximity of people who were still alive, and can say, yeah, this is what he said, and this is what we understood by it. So, that's why the fathers of the church are so key, okay? But the fathers of the church, you know, basically make it very clear that we are basically, human beings are the center of the moral universe, in the sense that even the angels that were created, their entire battle, which we can talk about later, their

• 18:11Speaker 03

  entire creation and their entire battle, all revolved around us ultimately in the end. And so, you would actually have a situation where there's beings on other planets, where the whole totality of the angelic order had nothing to do with them. So, there's a lot of theological problems, and so, in the end, this, the idea that there's beings on other planets, which by the way, is not new, this has been around for millennia, this idea, was wholeheartedly rejected by philosophers, theologians, and, you know, and even scientists in large part now.

• 18:49Shawn Ryan?

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• 19:31Shawn Ryan?

  And when the podcast started, he was just kind of talking to former colleagues, people over at Central Intelligence Agency, former SOF guys, Dev Group guys, Delta guys, and then it kind of developed, and it turned into interviewing politicians, and then it turned into interviewing presidents and vice presidents, and then it turned into heads of state. And this guy, through the arc of the podcast, started really becoming concerned, not only for his own privacy, but also for the privacy of his team, for traveling all over the world. And so, they went on a venture, and they were looking for a black phone, a black device

• 20:16Shawn Ryan?

  that cannot be tracked. They found it. And when they found it, they realized how expensive that is. It's almost unaffordable.

• 20:29Shawn Ryan?

  So that guy in the story is me.

• 20:33Shawn Ryan?

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• 21:15Shawn Ryan?

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• 21:53Shawn Ryan?

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• 22:02Shawn Ryan?

  That way, when you burn the number, there's absolutely zero way for them to get back in contact with you. On top of that, we built a secure DNS. So basically, what's secure DNS is, is it allows you to surf the web without being tracked. You know what I'm talking about? You talk about something with your family, maybe a product, maybe you want to buy some new piece of gear, and then the next thing you know, you're getting advertisements all over your phone for it. Because they're listening, they're exploiting your data, and they're selling it. They're tracking you. So that's what DNS kind of helps with. Then we put an American-owned, us VPN company.

• 22:43Shawn Ryan?

  So you see, a lot of these other VPN companies that you think are American are owned by China, they're owned by Russia, they're owned by Israel.

• 22:52Shawn Ryan?

  And a lot of these companies own several VPN, maybe 20, 30, maybe 50, maybe 100 VPN companies, but it's all one company that owns it. And so we are an all-American VPN company, and we store no data. All the data stays on your device.

• 23:14Shawn Ryan?

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• 23:55Shawn Ryan?

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• 25:33Shawn Ryan?

  Why are we so important to God? I mean, everything He created is for us, to protect us.

• 25:41Speaker 03

  Right.

• 25:43Speaker 03

  Ultimately, because...

• 25:44Shawn Ryan?

  For us to live off of, I mean, everything. We, we, we, it seems that human beings, we, we're everything to Him. Why, why us? Why are we so important? Why does He love us so much?

• 25:58Speaker 03

  Uh, I think there's two reasons. One is because we're made in His image. And that image, the theological tradition is very clear, is because we have intelligence and free will. So He made us that way, to be like Him in that regard. Because His choice to create us was purely free. He didn't have to, but He made it. So when He created us, in fact, St. Augustine makes the observation that one of the greatest signs of God's omnipotence is the ability to create something and sustain it in being, and even sustain its acts in being, that has the ability to choose between different goods, and isn't determined to one thing. That's a sign of omnipotence.

• 26:39Speaker 03

  And so in us is the manner, is His image and the manifestation of His glory. So if you read the theologians, especially like Thomas Aquinas, he makes the observation that because God is goodness itself, the proper object of God's love and will is Himself, because He's goodness itself. The difference is, is we aren't goodness itself, and so for us to be, make ourselves our own objects of, of our own love, basically is disorder, because our good, we're only good because we are somehow participate in His good, okay? But when He creates us, it's called the principle of redundance, the good redounds to us.

• 27:19Speaker 03

  And so we are good in many ways, by virtue of the fact that we manifest intelligence and will, we can make choices, we can become virtuous, and so as a result of that, we, He sees the good in us, and then that's why He loves us, because we're like Him. And so His love for us, and even when He shows His love for us, is directly proportionate to how much we're like Him.

• 27:57Shawn Ryan?

  What was before everything? What was before angels? What was before us? What was, what was before, was, was there always good and evil? Or was there just good?

• 28:12Speaker 03

  There was just good, because there was just God. The difficulty with saying what was before us is, is the fact that we're transposing time on God. So there's actually three states that beings exist in. There's what's called eternity, which has neither a beginning or an end, and there's no sequence of events, it's just the eternal now. That's what God is in. And so God actually sees what you're doing now, what you did in the past, what you're going to do in the future, He sees whether you make it to heaven, He sees all of that at the same instance, because there's no beginning or end with Him. And so in a certain sense, there's no before or after with God. So God, who was in eternity, if we want to put it from our perspective, before He created

• 28:57Speaker 03

  us, even though even that's not entirely accurate, but God always existed. So in God, whose goodness itself, there was only good. Then He creates the angels into what's called the avum, which has a beginning, but it has no end. And so the angels will always exist. When we die and go to heaven, we enter into the avum, because it will never end. So we'll either be in heaven, or we'll be in hell for all eternity. So there's that. In this life, when He created us, He created us in time, which is kind of a law or a structure which regulates the passage of matter through motion, is basically the way the philosophers talk about it, but it has a beginning, and it will have an end at the final judgment.

• 29:42Speaker 03

  Okay? So before God created the angels and us, He always was, and so there, there was only good. When He created the angels, He created them in a state of innocence, in a state of perfection, and also what's called the state of grace, that there was in their, their natures or substance, a qualitative reflection of Him, a participation in His divine nature, is how St. Paul describes it. But He created them in that state of perfection. And then some of them, through their free choice, chose to reject that, and that's when evil first entered.

• 30:18Shawn Ryan?

  How many angels are there? Do we know?

• 30:21Speaker 03

  Uh, we don't know the exact number, obviously, but we know they're in a, in a order of billions. And the reason we know that is just because, um, it is what the, in theology, we have various degrees of certainty, certainty about theological propositions. So for example, that Christ is God, we know is part of divine revelation, so it's, it's absolutely certain. But then there's some other things like, like this particular question of whether each person has their own guardian angel is called theologically certain. It's not divinely revealed, but there's, there's indicators in scripture for it, so, um, and then also just through the church's tradition and our experience at the church, we know that each person was created for their own guardian angel.

• 31:06Speaker 03

  So if that's the case, and that being the case, the number of human beings that's generally speculated to have lived is in the, about 20 billion. So we know just in, and there's nine hierarchies, there's, um, sorry, nine choirs of angels. Of the lowest rank is the angels, and each one of us got a guardian angel. So that means just in that lowest rank, just one subset is 20 billion. But there's more angels that also were given other jobs. And so it's literally in the billions. As you go up, the hierarchy becomes less and less number of angels in each one of the choirs. But we know that there are literally billions.

• 31:47Speaker 03

  The fascinating thing is, um, according to Saint Thomas Aquinas, but then also to, which he bases it off, um, Suda Dionysius's writings in the, uh, early church, very early church, within the first, uh, one or two centuries of the church, that that entire hierarchy of angels was created instantaneously all at once.

• 32:07Shawn Ryan?

  Instantaneously?

• 32:08Speaker 03

  Instantaneously, all at once.

• 32:09Shawn Ryan?

  How long?

• 32:10Speaker 03

  So unlike human beings, which God, you know, creates our souls and we, there's more of us that are created over time, the whole nine choirs were all, all of them created instantaneously at once.

• 32:22Shawn Ryan?

  Were our souls all created at once?

• 32:24Speaker 03

  No, they're created at the time of your conception. So your soul's created and infused it in you at the time of your conception.

• 32:35Speaker 03

  So human beings, there's an ongoing creation in relationship to their souls, but angels, the totality of them were created all at once.

• 32:42Shawn Ryan?

  How long before humans were their angels? Do we know that?

• 32:45Speaker 03

  Uh, the fathers of the church say that, um, when he created this totality of the angels, then he immediately after that began the creation of, in the, in the creation account in Genesis, he began the creation. So he first, you know, uh, creates the light and things like that. So you have that first day, it's follows immediately upon that, and then human beings follow after that.

• 33:13Shawn Ryan?

  Can we talk about the hierarchy?

• 33:14Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 33:17Shawn Ryan?

  What is the hierarchy?

• 33:19Speaker 03

  So the angels were created in a hierarchical structure, and there's nine choirs broken into what they call ranks. So there's three ranks. So it's kind of like, almost like a military in that sense. The very top rank is, uh, made of the, the seraphim, which is the very top. And each angel is its own species. And as an exorcist dealing with fallen angels, their personalities are so distinct, much more distinct than human personalities. And so you do get a sense of that they're each specifically different. Um, part of that has to do with that, if, with human beings and also with other animals, a species is different because of the fact that you, you, there's something about them

• 34:04Speaker 03

  called the specific difference that makes this species different from another one. That's called the specific difference. With human beings, we don't have a difference, you and I don't, we're not specifically different. We're both, and what infecting human beings, the specific difference is rationality. You and I are both rational, so we know we have, we're of the same species. What makes us different is what we call accidental qualities. So the fact that you're, you know, a bit taller than I am, bit build, bigger build, et cetera, you have different facial structure, et cetera, your race is a little bit different than mine, et cetera. So there's, those different qualities make us different as human beings. Angels don't have that. They don't have, so it's matter specifically, bodies. It's, it's the fact that I have this body and you have that body, which makes us different

• 34:49Speaker 03

  as human beings, even though, uh, by different even in the sense of you're one human being and I'm one human being, but we're both of the same species. Okay? Because angels don't have bodies, as a result of that, their specific difference is in their nature, which we can talk about that, because that itself is fascinating. In fact, we can get to that in relationship to their fall, because that plays a key role in their fall of, of some of them. But that basically means that every single angel is specifically different. They're, they're as different as, say, uh, a, a grasshopper is from a cow. That's how different they are. And their, their difference, so their each is, is different. So those differences are then grouped into nine separate kind of categories, and that's the choir.

• 35:34Speaker 03

  And the, what makes one angel, um, different from another is how intelligent they are. So the very top angel is far more intelligent, and so he can understand things much more universally, much more broadly, um, and also to much greater depth than the, than one that's all the way at the bottom. Even though the lowest angel is far more intelligent than us, nevertheless, there's this hierarchy, and it's based on intelligence. An important point of that also means that their will is proportionate to how intelligent they are, so they have a stronger will based upon how intelligent they are. This is why in hell, there's still a hierarchy based upon how strong of a will that they actually have. So Satan has the strongest will because he was from the cherubim, which is the second. So the top rank is the seraphim.

• 36:19Speaker 03

  And Saint Thomas Aquinas says that their primary function and role was to simply love God. Their whole reason for being was to love Him.

• 36:28Shawn Ryan?

  What exactly do, okay, what does that look like? What, what is that? If you, if you were a seraphim, what, what is?

• 36:34Speaker 03

  It means that-

• 36:35Shawn Ryan?

  What is your daily?

• 36:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, so your whole, your holy, because, because he, he creates each angel with its own natural law, its own natural set of inclinations. So just as, uh, so for example, when a human being gets married, we have a natural inclination of, when they get married, there's a joy that they have in the marriage, right, from in being married, if it's a good marriage, of course. Um, or we have a natural inclination to eat, so when we eat, we, we feel satisfied, et cetera. So they get a fulfillment in just fulfilling the role, uh, or their tasks for which they were created, which is their, their nature. So for them, for the seraphim, it literally means just sitting around and contemplating God for all eternity, just contemplating and then loving Him, um, at the various facets of His goodness.

• 37:18Speaker 03

  Because God is infinite, and, uh, even the angelic, um, and the angelic, uh, uh, intellects are limited, it means that for all eternity, they can be looking at a variety of different facets in God and driving joy and love and loving God, seeing that goodness in Him for all eternity, and it's never exhausted. And that's what it is for us when we get to heaven, once we get to see God face to face, for all eternity, we'll be learning something new about Him and the delight that we'll get out of that will bring. So for them, when they see those good things in God, they're naturally inclined to love Him from that perspective.

• 37:55Shawn Ryan?

  Would a human being ever have interaction with a seraphim?

• 37:59Speaker 03

  Uh, yes, they can at times. Uh, not necessarily in this life. Saint Thomas says that their, their interaction with us is, um, is fairly limited and has to do with the scope. So the top rank deals with God. So the seraphim, their job is to love God. The cherubim, their perfections that God gave them was to know God, to know the various aspects of God. That's why if you look at the patterns of the psychology of Satan, um, formerly Lucifer, um, part of Lucifer two, which we can talk about, his psychological patterns are that of a cherubim, which is what Saint Thomas talks about. And the reason being is because for him, everything revolves around knowledge of beauty ultimately, which is what he was created for.

• 38:43Speaker 03

  But then, uh, and seeing that contemplating that beauty in God. Um, and then the next one is the thrones. So the thrones, their job is to take that knowledge about God and what His will is, and then propagate that knowledge down through the middle rank. And so the middle rank is actually, um, their job is administrative. So as an exorcist, even when you get demons that have fallen, they're from that middle rank, you rarely see them, because their job, their, that middle rank is, um, really about governance of those below them and making sure everything is done right. So it's basically middle management type of thing. And God created, um, three different choirs for that.

• 39:26Speaker 03

  So you have the thrones, principalities, powers, and dominations, which are in the middle. And then below that, then is the lowest choir of rank, and their jobs are the foot soldiers. So the top, the middle rank, the top rank contemplates God, the thrones tell them, this is what God's will is, that governance process, the commands and stuff are propagated down through the middle ranks. And then you have the lowest rank that actually executes them. And so, uh, those, that lower ranks, which also includes, um, archangels and angels, that lower ranks, their job is to actually execute. So that's, those angels are the ones that we will actually have interaction with more than likely.

• 40:06Shawn Ryan?

  God's special forces?

• 40:08Speaker 03

  Yes, exactly.

• 40:10Shawn Ryan?

  Can angels advance in rank?

• 40:12Speaker 03

  No. Because what their, their rank in the hierarchy is fixed, um, well, let me back up just a bit.

• 40:22Speaker 03

  How high you are in heaven in that hierarchy is directly proportionate to how holy you are. Human beings can actually take the place of fallen angels up through that rank by becoming holy, very holy, and then they can get a position that would be higher in the ranks in relationship to that. So, for example, it is the tradition of the Catholic Church to believe that Our Lady underneath Christ, underneath Christ, the first one is Our Lady, then underneath them are the Apostles. And then, also, and then Saint Joseph, Saint John the Baptist, there's kind of a debate of who's on the top of that. Then the Apostles, and then the Seraphim. So they're even above, the Apostles are even above the Seraphim.

• 41:03Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, wow.

• 41:04Speaker 03

  And then other saints, because they become holy, take the place of different locations. I've actually have a, I have a case I'm working on right now that part of the reason this woman's case is dragging out is because she has to reach a level of holiness, which she's getting there. She has to reach a level of holiness to take the place of one of the possessors that had fallen. So, we can, human beings can actually take that. Okay, so what does that mean? Human beings, because in this life we can perform actions that merit, and therefore increase and raise our place in heaven, we can actually get a higher place in heaven than some of the angels. But the angels, their holiness is directly proportionate to their nature. It's fixed. They can't merit anything.

• 41:46Speaker 03

  And so that's why they have one choice, and then if they make that choice, their break in heaven becomes fixed based upon that amount of holiness that they have.

• 41:55Shawn Ryan?

  So a human can, can become an angel, or they can, they can go to the top?

• 42:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, they don't become an angel. They get into the ranks. They go up through the ranks or through the choirs in the sense of they become holier than an angel, and therefore they get, their amount of holiness that they have would exceed those angels that are below them, and so they're above them in the command structure in heaven, the authority structure in heaven.

• 42:20Shawn Ryan?

  I've heard, and I may have this wrong, is there, is there, will God pick 300 humans for the end times to do his battle against evil?

• 42:32Speaker 03

  Um, I've heard that theory, but I have not seen the evidence to back it up.

• 42:36Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 42:36Speaker 03

  So it could be, we'll find out. There are certain things we know about the end, like John, that Saint Elijah and Saint Enoch are gonna return, that type of thing.

• 42:45Shawn Ryan?

  Soon. Let's talk about the fall.

• 42:48Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 42:50Shawn Ryan?

  What happened?

• 42:52Speaker 03

  So, when the angels were created, they're, so the whole hierarchy of angels is created at once. Now, the way angels know things is the exact opposite of the way we know things. The way we know something is, we have to come in contact with the thing, we have to work with it a little while, then eventually kind of gain a more abstract knowledge of it, and eventually we can kind of have a universal knowledge of the thing. So it takes us a while to actually get to the point where we fully understand something. And so, and we even see this even when we wake up, you know, we wake up, it takes us a while to get fully functioning. And even when we're gonna make a choice, a lot of times we have to go through a series of steps to kind of consider various things before we make the choice. Okay. That's because our knowledge comes through the senses. We have to be in contact with something, and then from that we can actually know something about it.

• 43:37Speaker 03

  Um, and we can also infer knowledge based upon that, about other things that we don't necessarily see, et cetera. Okay. With angels, their, their knowledge is infused, so at the, by God. That's their mode of knowing, Saint Thomas says. So what, at the first instance of their creation, God did two things. The first is he, in addition to creating them and creating them in this state of grace and state of perfection, he also infused in them the knowledge of all of the essences of created things. And basically what that means is, they know exactly what a human being is, they know what dogs are, cats are, they know, they know the natures of these things. Whereas human beings take a while to finally fully understand those things, they immediately exhaust everything there is to know about those just by thinking about them,

• 44:22Speaker 03

  to the degree of their intelligence.

• 44:23Shawn Ryan?

  And infinite knowledge.

• 44:25Speaker 03

  It's not infinite, because it's still limited, because they're limited. But it's, they instantaneously understand everything that could be known about that thing to the degree of their intelligence. Instantaneously. They don't have to think things through. Okay, so that's when it comes to the natures of things. But, but that's distinct. That kind of knowledge of things is distinct from knowing this thing is gonna happen at this point in time. Those are called particulars. So the ones are kind of called universal knowledge of things. The particulars are infused in them as they actually occur, by God. So, for example, the angels and the demons know what we are talking about as we talk about it, because it's infused in their minds. So, for example, if they wanna know what's going on in another room,

• 45:09Speaker 03

  they just have to think about that room, and then boom, they can see immediately what's actually there. Okay.

• 45:16Speaker 03

  When they were created, um, they were created into an act of knowing, because they instantaneously exhaust what there is to know. And in that, that act of knowing, they learned a few things. One, who they are. They instantaneously saw their own nature and their specific difference. They actually understood by that fact that God had given them an assigned task. And that assigned task that he had given to them is who they are. It's their very nature of who they are. Then, which we'll talk about what that means in the fall. Plus, they were given knowledge of all the other angels, because it's all infused. They give the knowledge of all the other angels and their assigned tasks.

• 45:58Speaker 03

  They were also given knowledge that God was eventually gonna become incarnate through Jesus Christ, and that there were gonna be certain human beings. Those who were created guardian angels were given knowledge of the person that they were going to have to guard and to protect, and certain aspects of that person's life. Because they would actually be told, this is the person you're gonna be protecting, and this is his, that this is God's will for him in certain respects. They didn't know all of it, but they knew a lot of it. Okay. They understood, so they understood who they are, who the other angels are, what their assigned task was, what their, these other particular things. And then they also knew who God was. And they also, Saint Thomas says, were infused with faith, hope, and charity.

• 46:41Speaker 03

  So they actually knew that God, the second person of eternity, was gonna become incarnate. And we actually know that from Scripture, that they were given that knowledge in the very beginning. Because when Christ first shows up on the scene, they're like, is this the guy, is this the guy, is this guy? And then once they see he's doing miracles, and he's doing all this other stuff, and the nature of his teaching, they realize, this is the guy. Because only, only Christ could explain that, who this guy, you know, because we were told that he was gonna become incarnate. Okay. So they knew that Christ was gonna become incarnate, and then, um, uh, and they also knew that God was gonna create human beings, et cetera. So, but they, they also knew God. They had a perfect knowledge of God. They had knowledge that he was triune because of their faith,

• 47:24Speaker 03

  that God showed them that he was, that there's God's Son, God the Holy Spirit, and God the Father, that he was triumphant. All of that, they saw in an instant.

• 47:34Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 47:35Speaker 03

  So they saw all of that. And the resulting factor of that, they saw that intellectually. The natural response of the will, Saint Thomas says, when they saw that was delight. The beauty of it, the magnificent, the grandeur of it was just so magnificent that they just, they were taken by it in their first instance. And so their first experience in their will, it wasn't their first choice, because it was something which the will just naturally gravitated for, towards, because it was so beautiful. Um, that was, that's in their first instance of their creation. Because remember, they're in the A room, which has a sequence of events. So they have, they have, um, that's the first instance.

• 48:17Speaker 03

  Because they saw that, they also were, in that same thing, they also saw, if they were faithful, they would get to see God face to face and be happy for all eternity. But if they rejected God, they would be, they would be damned in hell and miserable for all eternity. So they knew what the punishment was gonna be like. Then they have absolute clarity about that. There's, it's not like human beings where sometimes it's a little hazy for us. It was absolutely clear. The second instance is, then, in the second instance, Saint Thomas says, they looked at intellectually, they could see the temptations, what all the other angels were going through. Every single intelligent being in order to be in the presence of God has to go through a test.

• 48:58Speaker 03

  And the test that the angels had is, they were created with a set of perfections, but they could see higher perfections above them. And they could see that having those perfections would be actually a really good thing, but in order to have that perfection, they would have to reject their assigned task, because it's not part of their nature, it's part of something else. And so when they saw that perfection, um, that's at that point, that they, they had to perform an act of sacrifice. They either had to sacrifice the desire for that perfection that they saw that they would like to have in order to remain faithful to the task that God had, had told them that they had to do.

• 49:41Speaker 03

  And so, but if they were faithful to that task, what they would get is the beatific vision, which is above any perfection that they could possibly have. And so that was their actual test. So that was.

• 49:51Shawn Ryan?

  So that created jealousy.

• 49:53Speaker 03

  Uh, in a sense, not in the sense that they had, they didn't have those kinds of emotions that we have, but they saw that perfection and what would be like to have it would be a wonderful thing. But they had to be willing to sacrifice that lesser created good to ultimately end up seeing God face to face, which is the greatest of the highest good, the greater good. And we can kind of return to it because that's the same problem we have of human beings, the same thing we live out every single day. But we have to sacrifice every single day in order to achieve the greater good. But they have that, they saw that greater good. So that's what they saw intellectually. So they even saw Satan's temptation. And they knew, Lucifer's temptation, and they knew that if they chose to reject their

• 50:37Speaker 03

  assigned task and have a, and choose to just desire this thing, they were never going to get it. But just to desire it, um, then they knew they would be under Satan. So they saw that whole complexity and then they made their choice. And so with them, they're very different from us than human beings are. The reason God has mercy on human beings is because we're stupid. No, it's true. We, we, as human beings, we make decisions and then, you know, afterwards, like, oh, I was a mistake, I shouldn't have done that. And that's why God has mercy on us. So if we're sorry for it, God will actually, um, you know, have mercy for us. But with the angels, they're not stupid. They know exactly what they're doing and they know the full ramifications of it.

• 51:21Speaker 03

  So when they make their choice, their choice is all in and their will becomes completely fixed on that choice, whether it's good or bad. And this is why even in session, demons will say, yeah, it was a bad choice, but I'd still do it again. Cause their wills become fixed in that. So they make their choice. And then the third instance, Saint Thomas says is because unlike human beings, you know, we can make stupid choices, but then we can kind of start getting our act together later. God gives us time to work through that process and then at a certain point when we die becomes fixed and then, then he either condemns us or he brings us into heaven. Um, so for us, it takes us time to work out our salvation, as Saint Paul says, you know, fear and trembling, work out your salvation. So it takes us time.

• 52:06Speaker 03

  Whereas the angels, it's a one-shot deal. And so, once they make that choice, their will becomes completely fixed. And so Saint Thomas says, in the third instance, then God levies judgment. Just like all human beings have to go before Christ and, and, uh, he judges us, all of them were judged by the second person, the Trinity, as to what their condemnation would actually be or their reward in heaven. And so they're immediately damned or they're immediately, um, taken into heaven and see God immediately.

• 52:33Shawn Ryan?

  How, how, how do we know this? I mean, some of this is not in the Bible, correct?

• 52:38Speaker 03

  Uh, yeah, some of it, parts of it are not, but parts of it actually have to do with two, two forms of knowledge that the church has. The first is, um, saints who have had mystical experiences and also just the general working out theologically of how these things actually work. The second component has to do with the collective experience of exorcists for 2,000 years. Because my experience as an exorcist is not any different from the exorcist in the first century AD. And so how demons talk and what their psychology is and what they end up revealing is consistent throughout those 2,000 years. So it's all of that kind of taken together. So it's theological reasoning.

• 53:21Speaker 03

  So if you read Saint Thomas, it's all based on theological reasoning, but it's also based on a lot of scripture, but then also the mystical experiences, but then also just the church's collective experience in actually dealing with them.

• 53:33Shawn Ryan?

  It's recorded information through time.

• 53:35Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 53:36Shawn Ryan?

  Let's go back into the fall.

• 53:41Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 53:42Shawn Ryan?

  Did they all fall at one time?

• 53:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's all done at the instance, they all fall in that second instance.

• 53:47Shawn Ryan?

  What did that look like?

• 53:48Speaker 03

  Um.

• 53:49Shawn Ryan?

  Do we know?

• 53:51Speaker 03

  Uh, well, scripture, um, the description in the book of Revelation is, you know, I saw, um, um, Satan fall like lightning. So it was just boom, everything had shifted and changed instantaneously in the law, in the, in the experiences in the lives of the angels. So either the, you know, the, the angels that did the good, their will, that chose to do their assigned task, their will became fixed in the good. And then of course they got to see God right away, but then the angels, they fell. And, uh, according to the fathers of the church, and it's actually true, by the way, in session, I've told demons, you know, I command you to consider, to weaken them, I command you to consider that the, your first instance of delight that you had.

• 54:33Speaker 03

  Because that, when they felt that joy that that, and that delight that they had, crushes them now because it's so painful for them to consider how joyful it was in that moment. Um, so you actually see these things kind of paying out and, um, but they also will, some of them will actually, under certain circumstances, God will compel them to reveal what their, their judgment that they underwent by God. And so you find out what those actual things actually are in relationship to it. So it's this massive shift and like lightning falling.

• 55:06Shawn Ryan?

  Did angels from every rank structure fall?

• 55:12Speaker 03

  Uh, we know from the lowest eight ranks that there were ones that fell from those. There is some debate about whether one fell from the, the seraphim or not. Thomas Aquinas says they didn't, uh, a majority of the theologians said they, that from that top rank, they didn't fall, but it was just the ones from cherubim undone.

• 55:34Shawn Ryan?

  Because there was nothing to look up to other than God.

• 55:37Speaker 03

  Basically. And say for Saint Thomas, it was, um, that they saw God and their, and their first inclination was to love him that they couldn't, it, it was because of the strength of their charity or love for God that they just did what he asked.

• 55:57Shawn Ryan?

  Are there still angels falling today?

• 56:01Speaker 03

  Uh, no, so that all the angels, since there's no more creation of any angels, and since they all went through that first three instances together, um, none of them are falling now. So they don't, it's not like you have an angel that ends up later falling.

• 56:16Shawn Ryan?

  Do we have numbers on each side?

• 56:17Speaker 03

  Uh, according to the interpretation of the fathers, based upon what's in the book of Revelation, um, there's a reference where the dragon sweeps a third of the stars down by his tail. That has been interpreted universally by the patristics, that is the fathers of the church, and also theologians throughout time as referring to a third of the angels fell.

• 56:39Shawn Ryan?

  Can angels redeem themselves?

• 56:41Speaker 03

  No.

• 56:42Shawn Ryan?

  Demons, I mean.

• 56:43Speaker 03

  Yeah. Once their will becomes fixed in evil, it's irreparable. It can never change.

• 56:48Shawn Ryan?

  Do you think they regret it?

• 56:49Speaker 03

  You know, it reminds me of a politician, you'll remember who this is, when he said, I did not have sex with that woman, so and so. He regretted getting caught. He didn't regret the action. And it's the same thing with them. They have remorse in the sense of it bothers them and they hate themselves for it and they're sad about the fact that they committed the sin and that they, um, and that they, uh, you know, that they're going to be damned for all eternity and suffer for all eternity, but they would still do it again. In fact, I had a demon actually say that, so I said, commanded him, because I was trying to weaken this guy. I said, so let me get this straight.

• 57:32Speaker 03

  By the way, when I put it colloquially, but you know, in the interview, it's very structured. I'm saying, I command you to tell me X, Y, and Z. But, uh, I should've said, so let me get this straight. You were created to have the beatific vision, yes. And you were created with this phenomenal perfections and the ability to see this, yes. And you saw that beauty in the first instance, yes. And you knew that if you were faithful, you would enjoy these things, yes. And you knew if you weren't faithful, that you would suffer this and you, and this, yeah. And you, you're suffering this now, yes. And you'd do it again, yes.

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• 59:42Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 59:43Shawn Ryan?

  Because he's outside of time. Why did he allow the fall? Is the fall ultimately the test of the human being?

• 59:51Speaker 03

  Uh, well, we, we are all tested.

• 59:54Shawn Ryan?

  Because they're the ones that influence our mind, correct?

• 59:57Speaker 03

  It's, let me ask you this. Would you want to be around someone who you forced to love you?

• 1:00:02Shawn Ryan?

  No.

• 1:00:03Speaker 03

  No. You want someone who wants to love you and chooses it on their own. It's the same with God. God created us with free will and in order to have that free will, he allows us, that certain percentage of people to fall, uh, both human beings and angels to fall and reject with him for the greater good, which is those who are faithful, who voluntarily chose to love him.

• 1:00:32Shawn Ryan?

  ¿Cómo obtuvieron acceso a nuestra mente?

• 1:00:36Speaker 03

  Bien, así que la forma básica de funcionar es que su naturaleza misma está diseñada, sus voluntades están estructuradas de tal manera que pueden mover la materia por su naturaleza. Y eso significa que pueden mover cosas dentro de nosotros,

• 1:00:51Speaker 03

  porque una parte de nuestro cerebro, nuestro intelecto es material. No todo, pero una parte de ello es realmente material. El cerebro, básicamente, y así pueden actuar realmente sobre él.

• 1:01:04Shawn Ryan?

  Volvamos un poco al sacrificio humano. Quiero decir, pasamos un par de días aquí, hablamos de mis experiencias pasadas. Hemos hecho un trabajo serio aquí y he dado cuenta de que la batalla está en tu mente para tu alma.

• 1:01:19Speaker 03

  Eso es correcto.

• 1:01:20Shawn Ryan?

  Y, quiero decir, Cristo mismo fue sacrificio humano, ¿verdad? Y así, si la batalla está dentro de tu mente y los demonios tienen acceso a tu mente y los ángeles tienen acceso a tu mente, entonces el suicidio es un sacrificio humano, la abortación es un sacrificio humano. Ir a la guerra es un sacrificio humano, todo esto, quiero decir, todo esto, todo parece llegar a ser un sacrificio humano.

• 1:01:47Speaker 03

  Eso es correcto.

• 1:01:50Shawn Ryan?

  ¿Por qué el sacrificio humano es tan importante? ¿Qué representa?

• 1:01:56Shawn Ryan?

  ¿Por qué está sucediendo?

• 1:01:57Speaker 03

  Thomas Aquinas hace una observación que está en consonancia con lo que estabas diciendo. Él dijo: "Lo último que Dios quiere de cada criatura inteligente", esto incluiría a los ángeles y al hombre, él dijo: "Lo último que quiere de cada criatura inteligente es el sacrificio de su voluntad, que es nuestra, a su voluntad, a la voluntad de Dios". Y la razón por la que tiene que ver esto. Así que explicaré la estructura teológica de ello y luego hablaré de un caso que tuve que, que se revolvió específicamente alrededor del sacrificio. Así que en cada sacrificio hay tres componentes. aprendimos, Dios nos enseñó lo que era el sacrificio en el Antiguo Testamento.

• 1:02:40Speaker 03

  Así que con los judíos, él dijo: "Esto es exactamente como se supone que se debe hacer". Así que en relación con Dios, el sacrificio que le ofrecimos a él tiene que seguir una estructura muy distinta, porque si alguno de estos elementos está faltando, no es un verdadero sacrificio. Y así él dijo: "Esto es exactamente como se supone que se debe hacer". Cristo mismo también dijo, cuando hizo la primera masas, el sacrificio de la masas el lunes, el jueves, dijo: "Haz esto en homenaje a mí". Así que está siendo muy específico sobre cómo se supone que se debe hacer, ¿de acuerdo? Y eso es porque si no lo hacemos, los seres humanos somos estúpidos y vamos a arruinarlo. Así que el primer componente de un sacrificio es el ofertatorio.

• 1:03:23Speaker 03

  Básicamente, lo que es el ofertatorio es que es una cierre de lo que estoy ofreciendo a Dios aparte de mí, aparte de noticias profanas o sagradas. Y eso tiene dos componentes. El primero es que tiene que haber algo bueno que tengo que estar dispuesto a separar. Esta fue la línea de demarcación entre el sacrificio de Abel y el sacrificio de Cain. Abel dio lo mejor que tenía y así él no tenía nada por sí mismo en ese proceso. Mientras que Cain mantuvo lo mejor para sí mismo y dio a Dios un sacrificio de algo que era bueno, pero no su mejor. Y como resultado de eso, la segunda parte de ello es, así que tienes que estar dispuesto a ser separado del bien en particular

• 1:04:09Speaker 03

  y tienes que estar dispuesto a darlo a Dios. En ese mismo proceso, en realidad estás alcanzando el bien mayor. ¿De acuerdo? Ese es un elemento clave del sacrificio. Que en nosotros ser dispuestos a ser separados del bien menor y darlo a Dios, se logra un bien mayor. Y solo en ese proceso mismo, nos tornamos mejores como seres humanos solo en la oferta, solo en esa oferta de darle a él. Y así, pero tiene que haber esa voluntad perfecta de deshacerse de ese bien menor para el bien mayor. Así que déjame darle un ejemplo. El tipo que va a la guerra, el bien menor, ironicamente, es su propia vida. El mayor, él está dispuesto a ofrecer su vida por qué?

• 1:04:52Speaker 03

  Para nuestro bien, el bien común del país. Y en ese proceso, el bien mayor que logra en eso, la excelencia que logra en eso, es perfección en la justicia. Y como resultado de eso, obtiene honor. Así que ese honor es una de las cosas más grandes que los seres humanos pueden lograr. Es mejor morir en honor que morir en deshonor, por ejemplo. Y así tiene que estar dispuesto a renunciar a su propia vida por el propósito de lograr el bien mayor. Así que ese componente ofertatorio es realmente clave. Así que tienes que estar dispuesto a dar el bien menor para lograr el bien mayor. Ese es el primer elemento. La segunda cosa es el asesinato del víctima.

• 1:05:32Speaker 03

  Así que si miras a Cristo, eso se remonta a Cristo, su ofertatorio era: "No mi voluntad, pero tuya se haga". Así que lo hizo en el Monte Olive. Él estaba dispuesto a ofrecer su propia vida por el propósito del bien mayor que era nuestra salvación. Y así él estaba dispuesto a ofrecer eso. Y así fue, por eso le dijo a Dios: "No mi voluntad, pero tuya se haga". ¿De acuerdo? Así que ese es el ofertatorio. Luego hay el asesinato del víctima. Así que en el caso de Cristo, esa es la pasión y la muerte de nuestro Señor. Y luego la última parte es la consumación. De hecho, el víctima tiene que ser completamente consumido en el proceso. Porque si no lo es, entonces todavía hay algo que estamos reteniendo para nosotros mismos. Así que la persona tiene que estar dispuesta a morir completamente. ¿Y cómo sabemos que Cristo hizo eso?

• 1:06:14Speaker 03

  Bueno, él mismo dijo eso justo antes de morir: "Consuma, consuma". ¿Qué realmente significaba eso? Significaba que, y el santo, Isiah habla de esto, el santo Paulo también habla de esto, que el Mesías tuvo que pasar a través de una serie de sufrimientos para merecer para nosotros lo que era necesario para la perfección en todos los aspectos de nuestras vidas. Y así él fue, por ejemplo, la razón por la que oró la Cabeza de los Cuerpos es para deshacer el pecado de Adam en relación con comer la fruta cuando no debía haber hecho. Y luego Dios le dio la castigo de que tienes que trabajar en los cuerpos y en el dolor. Así que la sufrencia de Cristo fue deshacer todo eso, ¿de acuerdo?

• 1:07:00Speaker 03

  Así que el sacrificio entonces básicamente significa que al final, la razón por la que Dios quiere el sacrificio de todos nosotros es porque quiere que nosotros logremos el bien mayor y no estemos satisfechos con el bien menor. Él quiere, eso es un llamado al bien mayor, ¿de acuerdo? Eso dicho, así que tuve este caso donde se continuó revolviendo alrededor de nuestra Virgen bajo el título de Miro de la Justicia. Ahora, la razón que, el Miro de la Justicia, la razón por la que fue tan clave y la razón por la que tuvo una correlación al sacrificio es debido al hecho de que bajo la virtud de la justicia es la virtud de la religión.

• 1:07:43Speaker 03

  Así que la justicia es donde renuncio a alguien que es culpable. Así que si digo: "Hey, vete a morder mi pasto y te pagaré 50 dólares", "Si mueres el pasto, en justicia tengo que darle 50 dólares", ¿de acuerdo? Bajo eso está la virtud de la religión donde renunciamos a que Dios es culpable. ¿Qué hizo Dios por nosotros? Él crea esto, mantiene ese ser, todo lo que podemos hacer, todo eso, lo causó. Y así, literalmente, no hay nada en nosotros a lo que no le debemos dar de vuelta a Él. Así que en última instancia, tenemos que rendirnos a la perfección ante Él, ese es nuestro objetivo, ¿de acuerdo? Así que, de acuerdo, así que eso siendo el caso, entonces en relación con la justicia, bajo la justicia está la virtud de la religión. Bajo la virtud de la religión están cuatro actos.

• 1:08:24Speaker 03

  Pero uno de esos actos es ofrecer sacrificio a Dios, porque ese sacrificio está haciendo qué? Dando lo mejor que tenemos. Así que como mencioné, tenemos que devolverle a Él todo lo que es perfecto. Bueno, ¿qué hacemos para mostrar eso como señal? Devolvemosle lo mejor en nosotros, la cosa que más amamos, tenemos que devolverle. ¿De acuerdo? Y así es lo que finalmente está buscando. Ahora, por cierto, no significa que en ese proceso cuando le damos, que él no nos recaje o que él no se preocupe por la cosa que le ofrecemos, etc. Solo significa que eso es lo que quiere que nos lo dé a Él, ¿de acuerdo? En este caso, así que cualquier vez que este demonio se manifestara cuando estaba diciendo masas, porque empezaríamos las sesiones con una masas.

• 1:09:10Speaker 03

  Cualquier vez que el demonio se manifestara es porque Dios le había dicho que tenía que decirme algo. Así que durante esta masas, Beelzebub era el título, que es otro nombre para Satanás. Él se manifestó durante la masas, cuando terminaba la masas, entonces empezamos las sesiones. Tan pronto como Beelzebub se manifestó, le dije a él, él me dijo, le dijiste que tenía que decirme algo, ¿verdad? Estaba tan enfadado que ni siquiera podía mirarme a mí, estaba tan enfadado. Así que luego le dije: "Cállate, no eres permitido hablar". Ahora, hay una razón por la que hice eso. Una es porque no quiero que él me diga basado en cuando él piensa que es el momento. Él tiene que darse cuenta de que soy el tipo en cargo. Y mucho de eso es solo para mantener la estructura de autoridad, porque están tratando constantemente de entrar en el asiento de conductor.

• 1:09:55Speaker 03

  La segunda cosa es, es normal guerra espiritual. Este es un adversario estrecho. Y así, justo como lo haríamos en una guerra normal, simplemente bombardearían por un tiempo primero para suavizar la situación. Luego enviarían a los tropas de base, él es igual. Si lo intentas preguntarle la pregunta de inmediato, él va a mantenerse quieto y no vas a conseguir nada. Así que no quieres enviar los tropas primero, quieres bombardearlo primero. Así que lo que hice fue básicamente castigarlo por 45 minutos. Y al final de esos 45 minutos le dije, le dije: "Tienes algo que me tienes que decir". Y él dijo: "Me dijo que tengo que decirte mi naturaleza". Ahora, lo que eso significa es que ya sabíamos qué era su tarea asignada. Era iluminar tanto nuestra Virgen como nuestras mentes.

• 1:10:39Speaker 03

  La tarea asignada original de Lucifer. La razón por la que se llamó Lucifer es porque eso significa, viene de los palabras latinas, Lucifer, lo que significa "para llevar la luz". Su trabajo era iluminar nuestras mentes, para que nos vieran la necesidad y el bien en ofrecer sacrificio. Esa fue su tarea asignada original. Y así, cuando él me dijo, le dijo que tenía que decirte mi naturaleza, le dije: "Hablemos de ello". Ahora, cuando eligieron rechazar su tarea asignada, tienes que recordar que eso es quien son. Y eso significaba que en su elección fue un acto perfecto de auto-hatred. Y renunciaron a hacer esa función que Dios les había dicho. Así que lo que eligieron entonces es el opuesto a esa tarea asignada.

• 1:11:23Speaker 03

  Y así lo que hace es arrebatar sacrificio, pero ahí es donde se vuelve clave. Él solo me mira de espaldas, lo que es un indicador de que probablemente está diciendo la verdad. Y luego empezamos a descubrirlo más tarde teológicamente, dudamos de que esto sea probablemente cierto. Porque algunas personas dirán: "Bueno, los demonios minten todo el tiempo", pero no siempre. A veces están obligados a decir la verdad. Y él dijo: I convince people, so this is part of the cherubim. He's part of the cherubim, which is an intellectual function. He says, "I convince people." So in us, it's an intellectual conviction that he puts in our minds. "I convince people that they cannot be separated from the particular good." Okay.

• 1:12:08Speaker 03

  That's exa-- and so I stood back and I said, "That's a whopper." Because he knew, I knew the structure of sacrifice. The, remember, in offertory, you have to be willing to be separated from a particular good in order to give it to God. And that means, when he convinces people, "I can't be separated from this thing." That's how he subverts the remainder part of the sacrifice, where we're willing to die to ourself all the way to the end. And so he knew that's, so I realized, that's how he ended sacrifice. And then he just looks at me and says, "It's how I took Adam and Eve out. It's how I'm taking your church out. It's how I took your government out." He said, "It's at the root of every sin and every defect that every human being has." And later he said, "It's the cause of mediocrity in every single human being."

• 1:12:53Speaker 03

  Which is absolutely true. Because in virtue, when we're striving for virtue, which is the greater good, to perfect ourselves in some particular aspect, which is the greater good, we have to be willing to be separated from certain things. Just to take temperance. If I want to gain temperance, to master the virtue of fasting, for example, I have to be willing to put aside the lesser good of the pleasure I get out of food, in order to achieve this greater good.

• 1:13:21Shawn Ryan?

  Makes sense. When do they gain access to our minds? We talk about the innocence of children and the pure love that they can give us.

• 1:13:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:13:33Shawn Ryan?

  And then, at some point in time, everybody loses it.

• 1:13:37Speaker 03

  That's right. It's ultimately, um, when God allows it. So in the spiritual warfare, there's kind of a misunderstanding. People have this idea that demons get you just a morat and do whatever they want. When Saint Peter said, "Be sober and watchful, for the lion goes around seeking someone to devour." It doesn't mean he gets to hammer anybody he wants. It means he's constantly watching us. That's the going around. He's constantly watching to see where the weaknesses are and where he could take us out. And then he might test or probe. And if God lets him go in, then he goes in. But it's, but it means that the spiritual warfare,

• 1:14:18Speaker 03

  the entire battlefield is completely controlled by Christ. So even the demons can't do anything in relationship to us unless Christ gives them permission. So Christ is the one who allows them access at certain points. And the reason he allows us access to us is to test us. Will you sacrifice for me?

• 1:14:37Shawn Ryan?

  Is it through flaws in the world, like pornography?

• 1:14:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:14:42Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, kids are saying pornography at age eight.

• 1:14:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:14:45Shawn Ryan?

  Probably earlier.

• 1:14:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's it. So he'll use those as means.

• 1:14:49Shawn Ryan?

  And then that creates a, some type of a desire.

• 1:14:54Speaker 03

  That's right. A disordered desire for it. Yeah. Part of it also has to do with the fact that demons can actually use that to inspire other people, to expose other people or kids or something like to, to things that are evil. I've actually had a case where the demons would drive people around this woman in order to victimize her. So they can actually, that type of thing can happen. But it's not that common. Usually what they'll do is, is they'll use other people to introduce bad things into the person's life. And then the person, because of fallen human nature, we have a proclivity towards, like, let's just take pornography. We have a proclivity towards what we call concupiscence, which is a desire for pleasure that's immoderate and disordered.

• 1:15:39Speaker 03

  And so if we don't do things, and this is where parental formation in virtue and getting them the sacraments and things like that aids the children in being faithful to that, so that they can actually combat that particular aspect of our, of our fall, our original sin that we kind of inherited as a result of that. Then what the demons do is they can play on that disordered inclination that we have and then start just driving it.

• 1:16:04Shawn Ryan?

  Do you think that successful exorcisms could be miracles? I mean, and the reason I ask is we talked about the last several weeks of my life and some of the things that I've experienced here that I don't want to go into yet, maybe at another time. But, you know, with what I did experience and how real it was, in the end, no matter how terrifying it was, it only strengthened my faith in Christ and God and the Holy Spirit immensely.

• 1:16:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:16:40Shawn Ryan?

  Immensely.

• 1:16:42Speaker 03

  One of the things that you learn as an exorcist is what Christ said you, you know? He said, "Count," he's talking to the apostles, "count yourself as useless instruments." When you're, as an exorcist, you can pray and pray and pray until the cows come home. But if Christ doesn't step in and actually cause liberation, nothing happens. Demons have actually said to me, he says, "You can't make me do anything." Which is actually true. As a human being, I can't make any demon do anything. But then my retort to them is, "But he can." And so he uses us as instruments to basically afflict the demon, to punish him to a certain point. And then it's at that point that Christ steps in and Christ causes the liberation. So one time I was asked in a public venue, "How many people have you liberated?" And I said, "None." But I've been in the presence of liberations where Christ,

• 1:17:27Speaker 03

  and I've, you know, done my work as an exorcist, and then Christ is the one who liberates. And so that liberation is both an act of mercy, but also one of the things that people very often don't quite understand about this, you know, possession is the worst thing. Actually, possession is not the worst thing. The worst thing is sin, mortal sin specifically, where you've committed such a grave sin that you're under the power of the demons from your, from a legal point of view. Whereas possession is not necessarily the worst thing. In fact, possession, especially when it, if it kind of protracts for any length of time, it actually, the people become holier through the battle, through the struggle. You know, it's like a guy who goes off to, you know, there's a big difference between a soldier who's never seen combat and one who has.

• 1:18:11Speaker 03

  And so this is the, and there was the guy who's seen the combat, he's much more fashioned, much more honed than the guy that maybe went through a lot of good training and could be, could be a good soldier, but he just didn't have that opportunity. Well, it's the same thing here. When people go through just the brutal battle and the type of thing, the amount of sacrifice and self-denial and everything that they have to go through, and the virtue that they have to achieve in order to conquer this thing, is quite admirable.

• 1:18:40Shawn Ryan?

  Do angels have access to our mind?

• 1:18:42Speaker 03

  They do. God permitting.

• 1:18:45Shawn Ryan?

  What does that look like?

• 1:18:47Speaker 03

  So the angels can do actually two things in relationship to us. The first is they can put an image in our imagination and even put a perspective on that image. Just as the demons can do the same thing. So the demons can not only just put an image in your imagination, because we get these thoughts, "Where did this come from?", right? But they can even put a perspective on like, "This would be really good," right? And this is why sometimes people will come to me, like, normal men, normal heterosexual men, will come to me and they'll say, "I had this bizarre experience where I was in this situation and I had this thought of pedophilia. And I had this kind of inclination of the goodness." I said, "Well, that's not your, that's not your, that's not your junk." Right? That's not you.

• 1:19:31Speaker 03

  Demons can make anything look appealing. One exorcist contacted me recently, because he'd kind of gone through that type of thing. He was working with this one woman who would bite any stretch of the imagination, was not good-looking whatsoever. But when she walked in the door during one of the sessions, the demon skewed his perceptions and his, in relationship to it. And he said, he looked at her and he felt this inclination, like, "She's just beautiful." And then he realized intellectually, he was like, "That ain't true." And so he just stopped, did some prayers, broke it. And then when he looked at her again, he says, "Ugly as sin," right? So the point being is, is they can get that perspection, perspective. The angels can also do the same thing.

• 1:20:13Speaker 03

  Because perceptions are either in congruity with reality, or they're not. For example, let's just take transgenderism. People's perceptions about who they are may or may not be, if you're, you know, if you're a normal heterosexual male, you say, "Hey, I'm a male and this is, well, then my perceptions are in congruity with reality." But if I'm some dude who thinks he's a woman, your perceptions aren't in congruity with reality. And so demons are constantly trying to put perspectives on it that either exaggerate or skew or falsify your perception of reality. Whereas the good angels can actually do the opposite. They can put perspectives on the imagination and then, and, so that you get a greater perception of, "This is the truth of the matter. This is the reality of it."

• 1:20:56Speaker 03

  So one of the ways that you'll notice that is you'll get a bit of clarity in a situation, all of a sudden you'll see the perspective and realize, "Okay, that's the, that's how this is actually done." The one thing that angels can do, which demons never do, is the angels can then, so there's three parts of our intellect, I'm not going to go into all three, but there's two parts that I want to talk about. The first is the brain, that's the image part. And they can put a perspective, they can affect that. But then there's a part of our intellect that's entirely immaterial. And the reason we know that, for example, is when we die, then people in heaven, you know, you hear about these with people who actually die and they actually go through a judgment and they might see Christ and that type of thing. Their intellect is functioning independently of their body.

• 1:21:39Speaker 03

  So we know there's a part of the intellect that's in part of that. There's also certain operations that we perform, like the ability to self-reflect upon ourselves. That, we know that there's a part of our intellect that's purely immaterial, that can function independently of matter. This is why animals, even apes, don't have that same kind of self-reflection. Even when they see themselves in the mirror, it's kind of a fascination to them, because, but that's all at the level of the material. But we're as human beings, we have this. But the angels can actually, that immaterial part of us has the ability to make judgments about things, that something's right or true or that type of thing. How do we know that? We can have, I'll give you an example. A guy, his wife, when he first gets married,

• 1:22:22Speaker 03

  his perspective on her is, "She's wonderful, she's lovely, I love her. She's just such a great wife, she's beautiful, et cetera." And his intellectual judgment is the same as that. But then, what can happen is, is that over the course of the marriage, bad things happen. And so, his perspective on her begins to change, and then also does his judgment changes. But he can make a choice to change his judgment about that. Like, if he starts thinking his wife is really bad and nasty, she may or may not be. He can start making the choice of, you know what? I'm gonna start, I'm not gonna judge her that she's that bad. I think she's ultimately a woman of goodwill, it's just that I'm suffering a relationship to it. That means I gotta shore up stuff on my part, so I can make a judgment, or I can make a choice to start looking at her, judging her differently.

• 1:23:07Speaker 03

  So, that's one of the things. Okay, why is that important? Because angels can strengthen, it's called illumination. They can illuminate the mind, that immaterial part, so that when we make that act of judgment, we see it with much greater clarity and strength and depth. And so, they can enlighten our minds. And so, you can ask them, you know, "Give me good images, and then help me to see, help me to enlighten my mind in relationship to it." The Fathers of the Church actually say it was the angels who taught the Greeks philosophy, people like Aristotle and Plato. And that's why there's such a radical shift in their philosophy from the materialists to Plato and then to Aristotle.

• 1:23:49Shawn Ryan?

  What rank structure of the angels is putting images and clarity into our mind?

• 1:23:56Speaker 03

  Uh, primarily those of the rank of angel, the very lowest.

• 1:24:00Shawn Ryan?

  The guardian angel?

• 1:24:01Speaker 03

  The guardian angels.

• 1:24:02Shawn Ryan?

  Archangels?

• 1:24:03Speaker 03

  Uh, the archangels can, at times. Uh, they can also do it as well, it depends. Uh, there are certain people, according to the Fathers of the Church, that their stature in life is so important, that God intends for their particular life, that he actually, not only, that he actually will assign, um, angels that are higher in the hierarchy. Uh, 'cause what rank, or what, how high in the hierarchy of angels your angel is, it depends, it's directly proportioned how important you're supposed to be in human history, they say. And so, but there are certain people, um, that God will actually assign, um, a, an archangel to, to guard them, at least while they're fulfilling that role. So, like, people in positions of political power are generally considered that.

• 1:24:44Speaker 03

  Priests, bishops, that type of thing are given an, uh, guardian angel, uh, an archangel in order for relationship to that. If they put, if they, if there's a particular function that they're gonna play in relationship to as this human being that's extremely important, they come from the rank of archangels. So, Gabriel, Michael, um, Raphael were considered part of the archangel.

• 1:25:06Shawn Ryan?

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• 1:27:26Shawn Ryan?

  All right, Father Ripperger, we got a, we got a hot question for you. So, I wanna understand, why is Christianity the only religion in the world that is acceptable to disparage?

• 1:27:44Speaker 03

  Well, Satan is the prince of this world, and it's pretty clear, at least, at least it seems to me, but it's pretty clear, I think, to a lot of people that, um, Satan and the demons are gaining much greater ascendancy over the world, and as they influence the world more and more, they will use people, and they will, um, use the things of this world in order to go after the one religion that they know is true. I often tell people that, um, you know, in heaven, the, the demons actually, because the fact that Christ was gonna become incarnate, and they actually watched Christ preach Revelation, they know it perfectly. And so, as a result of that, and they know that he, that he was the Messiah that was brought into come, that he was gonna be the one that's incarnate.

• 1:28:29Speaker 03

  So, they know, not from faith anymore, 'cause they lost their faith, but they know just by deductive reason that this is the true religion. All other religions don't have human beings who started them. Whereas Christ, who's God, is the only one who started this religion, and they saw it. And so, they know the rest of the other religions don't, uh, don't wash. And so, you can, you know, they'll, as they gain, as the demons gain greater and greater control of the world, and as evil becomes more and more in place, there's two, uh, two, uh, factors that come into play. The first is that demons move people to punish the Christians, which we saw in administrations, even in this country, where they were going after the Christians. And then, you'd look at these people, and you can tell these people were not living

• 1:29:14Speaker 03

  good lives, that were persecuting the Christians. So, the demons will inspire the people to go after the Christians. We also see this in relationship to, um, uh, you know, certain religions attacking the Christians in different countries and that type of thing, so you see that. The other part of the dynamic has to do with, um, the fact that, Saint Thomas talks about it in, in a question in the Summa, but there's a structure to how human beings go from pursuing and seeing the good to actually pursuing things that are evil. And it, it basically go, it's a process in which we have natural inclinations to things that are good. And so, for example, he says, he gives the example, "A guy recognizes that fornication's immoral," right? So, he recognizes that. But then Bessie Sue walks in, and she's just gorgeous.

• 1:29:58Speaker 03

  And so, he ends up falling with Bessie Sue, and he keep, Saint Thomas says he thinks that it's, you know, he kinda gives in, like, it's okay in this one instance. And then, um, but that, he keeps hanging around Bessie Sue, so he keeps falling with her, and eventually, he starts thinking that, well, fornication isn't wrong, you know? And then, as he keeps fornicating, then what he actually thinks is that, well, no, fornication's actually a good thing. And then, what happens next? Well, people who tell me fornication's bad, they're evil people, because I know fornication's good. That is the exact progression we actually saw in this country. The greatest generation knew that fornication was immoral, but they started fornicating behind the scenes, and that's where the fornication really started. And how do we know? Because when the hippie generation started the fornication openly, they didn't stop them.

• 1:30:43Speaker 03

  Because, hey, well, can't tell, we did that, because we did it, right? So, it goes from, no, they can't do it, but they fell from time to time, to, okay, now they were openly doing it. Then, by the time you get to the eighties and nineties, you should live with your girlfriend before you get married, and, which is a good thing, right? Because you should fornicate, find out if it's gonna work. And then, what's the last thing? Now, you have people who, when you say, "Hey, you need to be chased, the guys need to stop doing this," they get attacked. And so, in addition to the demons driving this, now you have people whose lives are so disordered, that what they see as good is bad, and what is actually they see as bad is actually good. And so, they see, and this is why we actually see Christ mention this, he says, "There

• 1:31:24Speaker 03

  will come a time when they will actually believe that by eradicating the people who follow him, eradicating, they're actually doing the will of God."

• 1:31:34Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's interesting, you know? I mean, I think all religions have been persecuted at one point or another through time. If you, if you, if you talk about Islam, you're a bigot. If you, I mean, that's the same with multiple religions. If you talk about Judaism, you'll be ostracized from everything.

• 1:31:55Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 1:31:56Shawn Ryan?

  It is the, it is, it is the ultimate no-no.

• 1:32:00Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 1:32:01Shawn Ryan?

  And I don't, I don't understand, I mean, why are Christians...

• 1:32:09Shawn Ryan?

  Accepting this. You know, in all the other religions, you know, you see, you see this righteous anger.

• 1:32:17Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 1:32:17Shawn Ryan?

  You know, if, if, if, if their religion or their people are disparaged.

• 1:32:22Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:32:23Shawn Ryan?

  With Christianity. And I'm guilty of it too. We, we, we, we let it, we let it slide. Why is that?

• 1:32:31Speaker 03

  I think we let it slide because.

• 1:32:33Shawn Ryan?

  Are we conditioned?

• 1:32:34Speaker 03

  Yes, I think that's it. We're conditioned to actually believe that when Christ said, turn the other cheek, that we just let people get away with whatever they want. And that's not actually the case. You, basically, when he said he turned the other cheek, or, you know, you have to forgive even those who do those bad things that give you, yeah, you have to forgive them. But that doesn't mean that you extend the effects of that forgiveness to them. Because that might be bad for them, St. Thomas says. And so, for example, he says, you know, you know, you should have charity, you should have love of God and love of neighbor for the sake of God for everybody. But that doesn't mean that I'm going to necessarily show the effects of that love to somebody, because then it would confirm them in their sin and it's actually going to be bad for them.

• 1:33:17Speaker 03

  And so what's happened is, is Christians have gone to excess and just thinking, oh, you know, we just have to let people walk all over us, and that's not what Christ was saying. In fact, we have an obligation to, uh, to fight for and to protect the glory of Christ himself, Christ the King. We have an obligation to fight for him. And the fact that we actually don't do that is based upon this kind of this effeminate unwillingness to battle because we think it's, it's, it's, you know, we're just being charitable or we're just being, we're trying to be Christian and be merciful. Look, sometimes being merciful to somebody is actually bad for them. And so we have to, we have, God is going to be merciful when we meet those conditions, always.

• 1:33:56Speaker 03

  But in relationship to us as human beings, we can't extend a mercy to people if they're doing evil and harm and offending God.

• 1:34:03Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, do you think this is just going to continue to get worse?

• 1:34:10Speaker 03

  I do.

• 1:34:13Shawn Ryan?

  What can people do? I mean, in, in your, in your mind or your idea, how do Christians, you know, defend their faith? I mean, it's been, it's been, it's being ripped out of government. It's, this country was found on Christianity, it's, it's, it's being ripped out of schools. Many people are offended if you even bring it up in school. However, you know, all these other ideologies, you know, we, we, we're, we're forced to comply with LGBTQ.

• 1:34:40Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:34:40Shawn Ryan?

  Islam, Judaism, all of them, all of them, if they're all accepted, except Christianity.

• 1:34:47Speaker 03

  I think there's two things. The first thing is, is that a lot of Christians don't know their faith well. And so a lot of times they get mopped up and a lot of times they don't, they don't fight. Or if they do fight, they fight badly because they don't know what they're doing and they don't, they don't know how to disarm these people. I'm thinking of a particular bishop and in his interview with Ben Shapiro, I'm like, man, that was a missed opportunity. Because he really could have set the record straight on a few things. So in addition to they have to know what they're talking about and have to know this stuff. Um, they also have to know the other religions, know where they're wrong, but then to be able to see this. And also these other ideologies, they have to know why these things are actually bad. But then the second part of it is they just have to man up.

• 1:35:25Speaker 03

  You know, they just basically have to say, okay, look at, you know, there's two things that I think that they have to do in relationship to that is they have to be willing to suffer other people's, you know, chaffing at them and et cetera. It reminds me of the allegory of the cave in Plato, where the people in, in the cave see these projections and think that's reality, and that's not even reality, reality is outside. So the guy tries to drag them outside and they're chaffing with him the whole way they're dragging them outside. And even if they get outside and they see the truth, they want to go back to this, right? It's the same kind of a thing that you see here, they're going to chaff at you. So you just have to stay the course and be willing to tell the truth. The second thing is, is we have to be willing to wield the axe. And by that, I mean, we have to be willing to clear the deck. We have to start telling people, oh, I'm offended by that, I don't care.

• 1:36:09Speaker 03

  I'm more concerned that you know the truth than your emotions are hurt. We have to stop allowing people to follow their emotions. We have to stop following our own emotions in relationship. We have to be, be willing to follow reason. And it doesn't mean you go around just to be obnoxious. But it means that we have to be willing to fight with people and if they just say, well, I'm offended, well, uh, you know, it's tough. That's just life, that's just reality. If you want to know the truth, you're willing to follow the truth. And the other side of it is, is that, is, is the hypocrisy of it all. We have to recognize that when we give into these people, we're giving into their hypocrisy. Because these people say, well, you're offensive to me, what you believe is offensive to me. Well, so is what you believe is offensive to me and I think it's offensive to God.

• 1:36:51Speaker 03

  So the, we just have to say, okay, well, then what we have to do is we have to be willing to fight the truth. Fight for the truth, be willing to take the, take the beating for it in order to actually achieve what's, um, to, in order to clear the deck. Now, there's one reason why I tell people they have to be willing to do this. Have you ever noticed that nobody will talk about something, nobody will say anything until one guy gets up there and says, this is a bunch of bunk and here's why.

• 1:37:18Shawn Ryan?

  He makes it safe for everybody else.

• 1:37:20Speaker 03

  Yes, he, he breaks the ice.

• 1:37:23Shawn Ryan?

  I know a couple of guys like that.

• 1:37:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. But it breaks the ice and then from there, it becomes a legitimate topic of discussion and people can actually start talking about it. But that's what we have to be willing to do. We have to be willing to break the ice or wield the axe in relationship to this because it's, once the truth gets out there, then it starts dispelling the darkness and people start seeing it. And people of, that are normally of goodwill will start signing off to it and say, yeah, I actually believe that. So, I mean, we actually see this even, you know, just recently, even just politically, you were never allowed to talk or mention Christianity or whatsoever. But now once it started to talk about, now a lot of people are talking about it. So it's that one guy's got to break the ice and so people have to be willing to be that one guy. But I tell guys, you may or may not be that guy.

• 1:38:07Speaker 03

  You have to make sure, A, that you have the virtue to do it, to sustain the beating, and you also have to be the guy that knows what he's talking about. And don't presume you know, you got to really know.

• 1:38:17Shawn Ryan?

  I appreciate that. So if you're willing to find the truth and follow the truth, then you should be willing to defend the truth.

• 1:38:24Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 1:38:25Shawn Ryan?

  Break the ice, no matter what the consequences.

• 1:38:27Speaker 03

  That's right, personal cost. To go back to one of the, um, points is, you know, you have to be willing to be separated from the lesser good in order to pursue the greater good. Guys have to be willing to be, to take the beating, to be separated from the comfort and the adulation of other people. They have to be willing to be separated from that in order to pursue the good regardless of the personal cost, which is the greater good.

• 1:38:50Shawn Ryan?

  Can we communicate with angels?

• 1:38:52Speaker 03

  Yes, we can.

• 1:38:54Shawn Ryan?

  How would we do that?

• 1:38:56Speaker 03

  So I think before I answer that, let me answer how actual angels communicate with monks themselves. So the, basically, the way it works is, because they don't have bodies, so we communicate because I think it's something, I make a set of sounds and then you hear the sounds and then you interpret it, uh, based upon that. So it's, it's a physical kind of communication. But because they don't have bodies, that means that, uh, their communication is purely intellectual. So it's a kind of a telepathy. And so the way that that works is one angel thinks of the other angel and thinks to himself, I want to communicate with that, with that particular angel. Now, if you remember what I was saying earlier, God infuses the particular things as they're happening in the minds of the angels as they're happening.

• 1:39:41Speaker 03

  And so the angel that's infused in the name, uh, the other angel's mind that angel so and so wants to communicate with you. Then if his, just like with us, we can either listen to somebody or not, he can, if he moves, he uses his will to turn towards that angel in his mind, then, um, then they, then all that angel has to do is start, then he can start communicating what he wants to directly with them. Okay. So that basically means that they can use their mind to communicate with them. That's not any different from the very nature of prayer. In fact, with the definition of prayer is lifting the mind and heart to God. So we're actually, we're directing our mind to Him. And then when we do that, and then through our prayer that we, we communicate with Him what we want, then when we do that, so obviously God knows all our thoughts anyway.

• 1:40:26Speaker 03

  But that's how we actually communicate with, with God is just by directing our thoughts to Him directly and, and communicating Him with our thoughts. We can do it verbally as well.

• 1:40:36Shawn Ryan?

  Is verbally stronger than thought?

• 1:40:40Speaker 03

  Uh, yeah, it, it is in the sense that it's, uh, it's better for us and so God tends to, uh, it doesn't mean that God doesn't listen to the mental prayers or even if you're talking to the, um, to the angels.

• 1:40:51Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, did you, I'm sorry, did you just say God does not listen to mental prayers?

• 1:40:55Speaker 03

  No, He does.

• 1:40:56Shawn Ryan?

  He does.

• 1:40:56Speaker 03

  He listens to them. But a lot of times, the, uh, the vote, when we vocalize it, it helps our faculties become more focused and it's a stronger prayer as a result. And so that's why a lot of times, there's also certain kinds of prayers, He just wants done vocally anyway. So, um, and because He made us as human beings and made us with the ability to communicate in that fashion, He also wants us to do that from time to time. On the other hand, there's also certain kinds of prayer that you want to be entirely mental, okay. With the angels, then what we do is it's the same kind of a mechanism that they have. It's just that we, they, under certain circumstances, they are permitted to communicate directly to us so that we hear their thoughts, but that's extremely rare.

• 1:41:39Speaker 03

  But if we direct our thoughts to them, the same mechanism occurs. So if I direct my thoughts, say, to my guardian angel and ask him to do something, in fact, I can tell a story behind that. But there, if I tell my guardian, or if I mentally think of my guardian angel and tell him, "Hey, I want you to do X, Y, or Z", then it's the same mechanism it was with the angels. That's infused in his mind that I want to talk to him. And then if he, when he turns his mind to me, he hears my thoughts. Otherwise, he can't get access to my thoughts. He can cause things in me, but he can't read them. He can't know what I'm thinking unless either he's causing it or he can kind of decipher it, and he's probably thinking about X like you can with your wife, you know?

• 1:42:23Speaker 03

  He can figure out what she's thinking just by how she's reacting. But they, actually, they can hear our thoughts in that actual process. So to give an example, I had a case where the woman was possessed. I was in an airport, was just about, just about to get onto the plane. I was in line to, at the gate, and the, the woman I was working with calls me, and she was possessed, and she calls me, and she says, "Hey, I'm pinned and I can't move." And so, which they had done to her before. And then she hands the phone to the assistants, because anytime I do a session, there's always lay assistants that are present. And they said, "Yeah", they took the phone, they said, "Yeah, we can't budge her, we can't move her."

• 1:43:07Speaker 03

  And I'm like, "Well, I'm standing, I'm literally handing the stewardess or whatever, the gate woman, my boarding pass." So I just said, "Well, I can't do it now, my flight's only about an hour, I'll call you in about an hour." And so then I hung up. And then I just mentally said to the guardian angel of my priesthood, "Go and take, go and help her." And then I just got onto the plane. An hour flight later, I get off the plane, and then I call her back and I said, "You're still pinned?" She says, "Yes, I'm still pinned." So then I just said a couple of binding prayers, boom, the demon let loose for right away, and then she just hangs up on me. And she says, "I gotta go." She hangs up. About five minutes later, she calls back and she says, "Well, the reason I hung up is because I hadn't been to the bathroom in five hours."

• 1:43:52Speaker 03

  I'm like, "Okay, that's fair enough." And then she said, "And by the way, did you send the guardian angel of your priesthood to me?" And I said, "Yeah, how did you know?" He said he appeared to me and held my hand during this whole episode. So the fact that I was able to mentally communicate that with my guardian angel is an indicator that they can hear our thoughts. And so we can start, we can ask them. The way that our guardian angels work is their involvement in our lives is based on two things. One, what God tells them to do. "Hey, you need to do this, this, this, or this", or "I don't want you to protect them under this circumstance because I want them to go through this test, or I want them to suffer this for the sake of their soul", or whatever the case is. So that he, God communicates that to them.

• 1:44:35Speaker 03

  But the primary way that they get involved in our lives is by our asking them. So the more we ask them, and the more we invoke their intersection and working in our lives, the more they become involved. And so sometimes people will say, "Well, my guardian angel doesn't do anything." I'm like, "Well, how much do you communicate with the guy?" So if you communicate with them every single day, then you'll find that they'll be actually more involved in your life. Now, sometimes people will say, "Well, how I know my guardian angel is even involved in my life?" And it's very simple. Because they love God and they see His divine plan and relationship to us as human beings, they know that God's will is for us to live a normal life where we get to make free choices.

• 1:45:19Speaker 03

  That's what God wants for us. And that means that the guardian, when we, our guardian angel is active, it means he's protecting us so that there's nothing trying to skew us or block us or do those things that would cause our bad choices and so, or causing problems or difficulties in our lives. That's how you actually know. So in other words, it's, the more natural our life seems, that's actually an indicator, the more the angels are actually involved. Sometimes we'll get, we'll get indication like, "Oh, no, that was, that was, you know, pretty, my guardian angel had to be protecting me in that particular set of situations." But that's not too common. But whereas, and the way we know that, that that's how they work is that demons are the opposite. Everything they do is contrary to our nature.

• 1:46:04Speaker 03

  It tries to darken our intellect, make it harder for us to make good choices. They mess with everything in our lives. They try and mess everything up rather than just letting us live a normal life.

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• 1:47:46Shawn Ryan?

  Do you think most human beings can differentiate the difference between a communication from an angel and a demon?

• 1:47:55Speaker 03

  Um, no. And the reason I say that is, I think there's some things that are pretty overt, and sometimes people know, "Okay, yeah, I think that was my guardian angel." I mean, I think that there's some on the more, kind of extreme kind of levels. But I think that most people's even understanding of what is good and bad and how, and how the angels even communicate with, and how the demons are involved in our lives, there's so much confusion out there and so little understanding of this thing that people actually believe that, you know, "Oh, I had these amorous feelings for this person, it must be my guardian angel." No, demons can give amorous feelings for people. So you have to be careful about that. Whereas, the demons are never going to give you inclinations to want to love God more, to be more virtuous and things like that.

• 1:48:40Speaker 03

  So there are principles of discernment about how you can kind of sort these things out, but I don't think most people know them.

• 1:48:46Shawn Ryan?

  I had a, I think I had a encounter with an angel several years ago, and I think that's what honestly led me to Christ.

• 1:48:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:48:57Shawn Ryan?

  And it, it is the only other time in my life where I really felt that there was a true battle for my soul happening in real time.

• 1:49:09Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:49:10Shawn Ryan?

  And it was at a very dark part of my life. And I basically come to the, I just, I had this intuitive feeling in my heart that, that I was, I was, transgenderism was really bothering me at the time. A lot of other things that were going on in the world, and I felt like maybe I was one of the only people speaking out about it.

• 1:49:32Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:49:34Shawn Ryan?

  It was just running rampant through the country. And so I had this internal battle in my, in my, in my head happening. And basically, it was me convincing myself that maybe I'm wrong here. You know, maybe, maybe I feel like I'm the only one speaking out against it. I feel like, maybe I should just surrender. What's the point? Why fight this? Why speak out against it? Why do any of that? Because, because everybody appears to be for the celebrities that I, that I respected, started speaking out for it.

• 1:50:19Shawn Ryan?

  People I never would have expected speaking out about drag shows in front of toddlers.

• 1:50:28Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:50:28Shawn Ryan?

  You know, and all these things, and these are people that I never would have expected to this. And then, and then one week later, after they announced that they're, they're, they're all for this, they get a massive TV show deal.

• 1:50:40Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:50:40Shawn Ryan?

  You know, and so I think I know what that is. But at, at the time, I didn't see that deal. And so I was, I felt like I was surrendering my soul to evil. And, and I was just like, "Why even? Who cares? Just give up." And I'd gotten to that point where I was almost there. We had walked into this, my wife and I had walked into this place we were vacationing in Sedona, Arizona. And there was a, we walked through the gate guards. You know, there was armed guards there that were arming the property or guarding the property. And I'd seen, I'd been there for a week. I'd seen all these guys, a lot of them watched the show, they'd say hi, you know?

• 1:51:25Shawn Ryan?

  And this was the last night I was there, and I walked through the gate, and there's this old, older gentleman in there. I think he said he was in Air Force Vietnam Vet or something. And he started trying to talk to me. I didn't want to talk to him. I was, like I just told you, I was in a pretty dark place. And my wife stopped to talk to him. I'd never seen this guy. Been there for a week. I know, I pay attention to security because of my background. I'd never seen this guy at all, ever.

• 1:51:58Shawn Ryan?

  And so I'm, I'm, I'm kinda posturing like I don't wanna talk to him, looking at him over my shoulder.

• 1:52:04Speaker 03

  Right, yeah.

• 1:52:05Shawn Ryan?

  My wife stops, I turn and I square up to him.

• 1:52:10Shawn Ryan?

  He immediately read my mind from front to back. And he said, I only really remember the first thing that he said because it, it scared me that he was inside my head. And he said, "You don't need to worry about all this transgender, transgenderism going on with the kids and, and, and, and just humans in general. That's not your battle." And then he went on and he started talking about, he said something about China, cuz China was really in my head cuz that was when the spy balloons traversed the United States.

• 1:52:44Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:52:45Shawn Ryan?

  From Washington to Florida or South Carolina or wherever. And, and, and he started going into that. And, and I just looked at this guy in the eyes and I was like,

• 1:52:55Shawn Ryan?

  "Yeah, how are you inside of my head?" And then a whole series of, of other events happened within minutes right after that. And that's, that's basically what, what saved my soul and brought me, brought me to Christ. And

• 1:53:12Shawn Ryan?

  so what I wanna ask you, is there a possibility that that was, that that was my guardian angel or maybe an archangel?

• 1:53:19Speaker 03

  Yes, it can be, actually. Usually when you see those kinds of experiences which are not normally explained, one of the other things that you'll notice is you'll never be able to find that guy again. Yeah, so that's one of that, that's actually one of the indicators. It's a, it's a very similar story um, to a priest who, the first pastor I was under, he had to go to uh, anoint somebody in a building. And when he got there, this six-foot big burly police officer was there and said, "You can't go in there, Father." And he just says, "Well, I have to, I've got to anoint you." He says, "No, you can't go in, leave." And so the priest walks around the corner and then says, "No, I gotta go do it." So he turns back around, that police officer was nowhere to be found.

• 1:54:02Speaker 03

  He asked the police department, they'd never had any of that guy on there. But while he had walked around the corner and came back, two people were shot in the building. So that, it's the same kind of a thing. They'll, they sometimes intervene in such dramatic ways in order to correct our path so that we don't end up going down the wrong path.

• 1:54:22Shawn Ryan?

  Why don't they do this more often? Why didn't they do this to the celebrity?

• 1:54:29Speaker 03

  Well, part of it has to do with

• 1:54:30Shawn Ryan?

  Or maybe they did.

• 1:54:31Speaker 03

  And maybe they did, yeah. I think some of it is also, um, it's how much involvement do we want to get them in our lives? I mean, do they, do they, if the guardian angels appear to, would they even listen to them? So it's, it's largely a matter of, uh, as I mentioned, there are certain things that God tells them, that guardian angel is what they need to do. But God's will for us is for us to get them involved in our lives.

• 1:55:03Shawn Ryan?

  You know, I've also heard that

• 1:55:06Shawn Ryan?

  if you're in the presence of an angel, it's, it's, it's terrifying would be the wrong word, but it is just an over, overpowering sensation that, that no human being could fathom. Is there any truth to that?

• 1:55:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, there might be certain experiences of people historically that would account for those kinds of things. But generally speaking, angels aren't that overt. And they tend to be, um, uh, they tend to be much more subtle and they're in our presence. I mean, your guardian angel is watching you all the time and to keep watch over you. And from time to time, putting those thoughts in your mind and that type of thing to help guide you and that type of thing. So they have a lot of presence to us that's not gonna be that dramatic.

• 1:55:54Shawn Ryan?

  Do you have any other examples of human beings encountering angels? I mean, we, we hear, you know, miraculous things with, with, with, with car wrecks. The car's been lifted off a body or, or that saved them or?

• 1:56:07Speaker 03

  Uh, yeah, I mean, I've heard those kinds of stories too. Another story that a priest friend of mine had a parishioner who, um, she was very elderly. And so there was a, there was a woman who was like seventeen who would take her to mass every day. But the seventeen-year-old didn't have her driver's license and the, and the eighty-year-old woman did. But she was very elderly, so they went to mass and when they came back out, the elderly woman says, "I can't, I just can't hardly move my arms. We're gonna have to pray to Saint Raphael to, to come and, and to drive the car for us." So the older woman literally said a prayer to Saint Raphael.

• 1:56:47Speaker 03

  The next thing you know, the car starts up, turns, and then goes all the way to, um, uh, to their house, shuts off. There was, um, I, I'll, I'll admit that when I was younger, I was not the best kind of an individual. So one time I got, uh, I got pretty schnauzered.

• 1:57:04Shawn Ryan?

  Right, I can see that.

• 1:57:06Speaker 03

  Yeah. So, uh, this was long before I got my act together, but I got pretty schnauzered. Um, I was at this friend of mine's house, which lived about twenty miles from where my parents lived. And, um, I mean, I was on the verge of blacking out. Got in my truck, started driving home. Then, I, I mean, all I remember is getting in the truck and telling him, "No, I'm gonna be alright." I, I'd start driving away. The next thing I remember is pulling into my house, my parents' house. I'm convinced that was my guardian angel cuz I, I, there's no way. I, I mean, I had literally blacked out for that whole distance.

• 1:57:46Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 1:57:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, so they do, I mean, it tells you, you know, that, you, you know, those of us who try to be good have had bad pasts sometimes too, but you just have to make sure that you're, you're trying to do everything you can to get the angels, your guardian angels especially. But all the angels too, involved in your life. And there's not just our own personal guardian angels. There's guardian angels of families, towns, uh, countries, um, churches, those types of things. And so, um, corporations of a certain size, there's just, God created a, a number of, uh, angels. And so you can also pray to, to the guardian angels of your children. Hey, make sure that Johnny, you know, clue Johnny in to do this, that, and everything. And that empowers them to actually be able to go and do that more, more frequently.

• 1:58:30Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, I, actually, I have another example that just popped in my head. I mean, several, several years ago, over a decade ago, I had a suicide attempt. And, uh, same thing. I was hammered, blacked out. Yeah. Don't remember how I got home. And reclined my, I don't remember doing this, I reclined my seat

• 1:58:51Shawn Ryan?

  in my garage with the car running.

• 1:58:53Speaker 03

  Hmm, yeah.

• 1:58:58Shawn Ryan?

  And when I woke up in the morning, I woke up in my room, my entire, I lived in a, in a town home. And my entire town home smelled like gasoline or some type of fuel.

• 1:59:11Shawn Ryan?

  Woke up, ran downstairs, saw my pistol on the couch, a pistol that I never, I don't carry every day. Uh, so I think maybe there, maybe there was two attempts or, or, or I was thinking about doing it twice.

• 1:59:27Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:59:27Shawn Ryan?

  Because I would've never accessed that pistol. Um, especially at three or four o'clock in the morning when I've just tidied on, on.

• 1:59:36Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:59:36Shawn Ryan?

  I go out to my garage and the door handle was like, a little bit like the door was a little hot to the touch. And I thought, "Holy shit, there's a fire in there or something." And I'm, I'm opened the door, but before I opened the door, I had

• 1:59:58Shawn Ryan?

  made the decision that if I opened the door, I'm probably gonna get blown to smithereens because all the fresh oxygen's gonna rush in.

• 2:00:05Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:00:06Shawn Ryan?

  Blow me away. So I had made that, I, uh, three times. I think I made the decision, uh, to die, to kill myself.

• 2:00:15Shawn Ryan?

  I went in the garage and I saw my Audi with the receipt, with the seat reclined back. And the car was still running. And it was so hot in there that the gas tank melted. And the gas tank was leaking, was, it was a slow drip, but it was dripping fire out of the gas tank onto the exhaust muffler.

• 2:00:41Speaker 03

  Whoa.

• 2:00:45Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, I shouldn't be here.

• 2:00:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:00:47Shawn Ryan?

  And that's just one example. Do you think that was a guardian angel? Was that God that intervened?

• 2:00:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, a lot of times they'll actually do that. So, um, yeah, they'll do it. Uh, speaking of cars, I had an experience once while I was driving, uh, I was driving my truck to go out to the seminary to teach a course. And there was a car here and one here and then I was behind it. And, um, an ambulance comes on the other side. So this car right in the front just locks up the brakes and stops right in the middle. It's like a 40 mile an hour zone, just stops right in the middle. So the guy in front of him manages, just manages to stop before it's getting it. But by the time I hit the brakes, I, I, I'm looking at the back of this guy's thing like, I am just gonna plow into the back of this guy's truck, right? And so, and I, I had my hands on there.

• 2:01:38Speaker 03

  It was not me. Literally, all of a sudden, the wheel just goes, I go right between these, uh, these, uh, posts, go right between the posts. And then, like, literally, the wheel just goes, it goes right between the posts, back down, around those two, and right back up onto the road, and I'm driving. I'm like, yeah, okay, this is, I need hazardous duty pay. But the point being is, is that I think that was my guardian angel.

• 2:02:05Shawn Ryan?

  Wow. I mean, I even have more examples. I mean, I've stepped on, on exploded HE, high explosive ordnance in Afghanistan. That, that, that is, that, that, that stepped on it. I took a picture of it, because I was like, holy shit, I should be dead.

• 2:02:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:02:22Shawn Ryan?

  I just stepped on UXO, HEDP round. And, and it didn't blow.

• 2:02:28Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:02:28Shawn Ryan?

  And there's example, my friend Eddie Penny, I mean, he had a, a intuitive thought injected into his brain on a target in Afghanistan.

• 2:02:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:02:38Shawn Ryan?

  Something told, I, I can't remember the exact story, but something told him, don't go over there. Two seconds later, the entire building is leveled.

• 2:02:46Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. In fact, there's, so there's, uh, they, that's part of the, the fact that they can put that kind of stuff into our imaginations. A lot of times, we, you know, we can talk about the fact that they actually can protect us, um, uh, spiritually, or protect us physically from these particular things that happen to us. They can also protect us spiritually by putting in our minds, you know, you really probably should avoid that particular person. I'm not suggesting that people should just be, you know, following their emotions and things like that, but, but the angels can actually protect us spiritually, you know, even sometimes from ourselves, protect us from the wrong kinds of people. The other thing that I find fascinating about the angels, which is something which I actually

• 2:03:29Speaker 03

  use from time to time, is, um, this, this is based upon, uh, the, the inversion of it. So I'll tell, tell the inversion of it and then talk about why they, we know that angels do it. So demons can actually do this same mechanism, which is because they can affect our imagination, they can, the demons can actually block people by affecting their imagination from focusing on things that you would normally think that they would focus on. This is how, like, in our government, you can have people who are engaging in bad behavior for decades, or even years, but just for decades. And nobody even pays hardly an attention to it. Like, why didn't anybody notice that? And that's because the demons can actually affect that.

• 2:04:12Speaker 03

  They said Hitler, they had that, he had this phenomenal ability to, um, at the very last second, shift and change his schedule and just say, okay, I'm not gonna, you know, I'm, I'm, we're gonna go over here. All of a sudden, boom, they would change it. There's a, there was actually a, a president here in the United States in recent past, he said had the same phenomenon, that he would just all of a sudden changes his, um, his schedule out of the blue. And then they would find out there was a, an attempt on his life that was gonna occur.

• 2:04:45Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 2:04:45Speaker 03

  So, but the demon, so the demons can actually influence people that way too, but they can also block our ability to focus on stuff that, you know, why hasn't anybody talked about this particular kind of fraud in the government when it's this rampant, you know, that type of thing? And, um, they, so they can actually do that. Well, the same kind of mech, so they can keep people hidden. And so the same kind of mechanism the actual angels can do. So one of the things I often recommend to people who are really trying to really forge the good and do a lot of good in the, in the culture and that type of thing is ask either Our Lady to, you know, send her angels down, but ask your guardian angel or the angels to keep you hidden from the wrong kinds of people.

• 2:05:30Speaker 03

  And it has a phenomenally good effect. Because, and it'll keep, so what'll happen is the type, and it's even a, a mechanism I teach, sometimes I'll teach people who are, run major corporations, and they'll complain to me like, we just keep getting the wrong kinds of people in, you know, they just, they keep coming in and they cause all this damage. I said, well, ask the angels to keep your corporation hidden from them, but at the same time, ask them to keep it known to the people that need to know. So they can actually affect other people to where they don't, you know, it's a side, you know, I'm gonna go work for Sean, and then they come in and cause you all this damage. You can actually keep those kinds of people a, a, away. Or, or the types of people that, you know, that, um, could cause you harm, or whatever the case is, just ask Our Lady, keep me hidden from them.

• 2:06:13Speaker 03

  I do it in relationship to certain people, just to keep me hidden so that I don't have this, and it's been, Our Lady's been very good to that, because, but the angels are the ones that kind of execute that process.

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• 2:07:52Shawn Ryan?

  Do we have any idea what their realm looks like? I mean, they, they, they seem, the majority, I mean, almost all the time invisible to us. I mean, you know, so, do we have any idea of what their realm, what their perspective of this realm looks like? And how do they?

• 2:08:13Shawn Ryan?

  How do they transfer realms? How do they, are they in another dimension that's coincides with this dimension? I mean, if you're driving down the road and you go, your car goes off and an invisible thing throws your car back on the road, are they, are they?

• 2:08:29Shawn Ryan?

  Are they transferring from one dimension to the other in a split second? I mean, how do, what, what, what is it?

• 2:08:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's actually a good question. They're not in another dimension, because a dimension is a physical thing, and they're not physical. They don't have bodies. They can actually move physical things just with their minds. You know, so it's, it's a form of telekinesis type of thing, but they, they can have it. And so, um, in fact, it's actually, there's a lot of theological speculation by certain theologians throughout history that originally Adam and Eve had the power of telekinesis, and then God restricted it to our bodies. Because when we make a choice, I can make a choice to think about something different, and that means that I'm using my will, which is an immaterial thing, to move my body, right? So we do have some ability to do that, and they also think that, um, that the saints, um, have that capacity as well to, to do that, God permitting.

• 2:09:21Speaker 03

  Okay, so all that being said, but basically what it means is, is that, um, because they don't have any bodies, but in their minds, they see all the stuff that's actually going on. Now, their experience of seeing, see, for us, physical things have a much stronger impression on us, because we, that's the way God just kind of designed us. Whereas with the angels, when they think of a concept, it's far more intensive an experience than we get even of a physical thing. And so they see those things with great clarity, and then their wills, they can actually move, then if that, if they wanna affect us in some way and God permits it, just by their wills, they can actually move it. It's like a form of telekinesis, but they can just move it, God permitting, so they

• 2:10:05Speaker 03

  can apply their will to actually move those particular things.

• 2:10:08Shawn Ryan?

  Can they see our demons?

• 2:10:10Speaker 03

  Yes. They see everything that is going on in the spiritual world.

• 2:10:14Shawn Ryan?

  Can the demons see them?

• 2:10:17Speaker 03

  Uh, yes, they can.

• 2:10:19Shawn Ryan?

  Do they communicate?

• 2:10:21Speaker 03

  Uh, not usually, although once in a while they will. Where the, and it's usually a one-way form of communication. Where the, the angels are telling the demons, knock it off, or you can't do this, you can't do that. Cause even if the other angels, the other, the lower angels know there's no point trying to communicate with them because there's, they're not gonna listen because they're following the will of God. The only time that that seems to be different is in cases that protract of possession. There's six stages of liberation and the stage, which stage six is actual liberation, stage five is called the ascendancy phase. And there's a part of that phase, it's in four parts. And there's a, there's a part of that phase called the saints phase.

• 2:11:05Speaker 03

  And basically, um, I'm sorry, the, that there's the saints phase so that sometimes the saints will actually show up. I don't see them, but the person who's possessed sees the saints, et cetera. But then there's another part called the bargaining phase. And basically that's just before the saint, the, for the saints phase. And the bargaining phase is the demons know they're losing. They're gonna get, they're, it's, they've lost. And so from time to time, the person who's possessed will actually see the interchange. Um, and so it's, uh, um, it's very similar to the, uh, kinda like the interchange that Pope Leo saw of Satan approaching God and asking him, give me a hundred years, right? So it's a bargaining kind of a thing.

• 2:11:47Speaker 03

  So, uh, the, the, the demon will actually approach Christ. Because they know he's the guy that's got all the power. He said it, all power on the heaven and earth is given to me. So they know he's the guy, they can't do anything without asking. So that they'll actually go to him and ask, give me, give me this power, give me this permission to do X, Y, and Z. And he most always says no, but the person who's possessed will see that interchange. So that's about the only time that I've recognized that they'll communicate with, you know, either the saints or Christ or whatever the case is, that's when that communication goes that direction. But otherwise, that it's just a one-way communication.

• 2:12:24Shawn Ryan?

  Okay. You know, I've never, uh,

• 2:12:29Shawn Ryan?

  really realized the power of prayer until the, the last couple of weeks when I did another episode on this, but we would, we've been talking about it all week, my last psychedelic experience. And I, I said some of your deliverance prayers and had

• 2:12:47Shawn Ryan?

  intuitive experiences of demons leaving my body.

• 2:12:50Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:12:50Shawn Ryan?

  And some of the things we experienced yesterday here, um, were extremely profound.

• 2:13:04Shawn Ryan?

  What is the power of the rosary?

• 2:13:08Speaker 03

  Um, well, historically, Saint Patrick Pew used to refer to it as the weapon, especially in spiritual warfare. But it was basically, the rosary was a sacramental that was given to a particular saint in order so that, that those who would pray the rosary, the, that specific structure of prayer that God wanted people to start saying was given by Our Lady to a particular saint, was given to them as a way of, if you continually say this, then it's going to bring about the intention for which you're gonna say the rosary. For example, the Battle of La Ponto. So the, the, the church are there and they're, they're basically, they're, uh, the, the Christians, the Catholics are outnumbered significantly in La Ponto.

• 2:13:54Speaker 03

  And so, um, at a certain point, Pius V orders that every, all the Christians start praying the rosary for the intention of the Christians to conquer the Turks. And you have to remember, it was like, I, I, I was like 10 or 20 to one, kind of outnumbered, kind of a situation. Um, so they, they, they literally, a large part of Christians, and even the people, the, the soldiers at La Ponto started saying the rosary, asking Our Lady to invoke, uh, invoking her, um, uh, you know, intercession to conquer the Turks. They just destroyed the Turks in the process. So the point being is, is that the, the rosary is one of those particular things that a number of the saints have said.

• 2:14:36Speaker 03

  For example, if there's a particular vice you're trying to overcome in your life, start saying the rosary every day for that intention and pretty quick it'll go away. And so it's one of those sacramentals that was given to the church, which has a pretty profound impact.

• 2:14:51Shawn Ryan?

  So would you say the rosary, should there always be an intention behind it?

• 2:14:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, you want, yeah, you want to offer it up for some intention. You know, and like, for example, given your state in life, you could offer it up for the spiritual wellbeing of your wife, your children, or whatever, for your protection. Um, or if there's particular problems you're dealing with in the, in your corporation or whatever the case is, you can pray for Our Lady to start ameliorating those or to, um, for the rosary for that intention.

• 2:15:14Shawn Ryan?

  What are some other tools? Prayers, tools that people can use for spiritual warfare? I mean, we, we, we talked about,

• 2:15:24Shawn Ryan?

  at the beginning of this, you know, we had brought up the, the, the, the UFO disclosure, alien narrative, and the possibility that the US government is trying to disprove and, and, uh, the Bible and probably steal faith from people and destroy Christianity. What, what are, and we, we talked a lot about the battle in your mind and for your soul. I mean, what, what are things that people can do? Um, outside of voting?

• 2:15:53Speaker 03

  Voting, yeah. As some friends of mine always say, which we've kinda seen even in this last election and when the election's going forward is, you know, cause I mean, I think people should vote, but this idea that you're gonna solve the problem by voting. So their phrase is, we just have to vote harder, right? Well, that's just not gonna ultimately change because this is a spiritual battle. The main thing for people to remember, at least in real, so there's different categories of things that people can actually make use of, but the primary thing is prayer. And Christ actually laid out, he said it in such a way, so to explicate a very specific kind of principle or a mechanics of, of how the spiritual life actually works. So he says, knock and it will be opened. So there's two things. You have to do something if you want the door open.

• 2:16:38Speaker 03

  He's not normally just gonna, I mean, once in a while he might open the door, but eventually you've got to open up, you've got to do your part for the door to actually open. And so the, the first is knocking will be, uh, knock and the door will be opened, um, you know, asking you shall receive. So there's two, one, you gotta do something. But the second thing is what you ask for is what you're gonna get. So the, that principle, the mechanics of, of God is sitting there listening all the time to everything that you're doing, everything saying, cause he sees it. And so he's listening and I, I've, um, I've actually had that experience even in session where mentally I just said to God the Father, punish this demon

• 2:17:20Speaker 03

  in a way that you've never punished someone before, and he just, boom, it just, it's, it's just, it's immediate. So you know that he's sitting there listening, but what you ask for is what you're gonna get. And the principle is that prayer begets what it signifies. That's part of the spiritual mechanics. That means in the spiritual warfare, what you ask for is what you're gonna get. And so an example in relationship to the UFO situation, there's a, a book called The Alien Delusion by Gates. And in that book, it's a bit dated, but there's, there's some key things in there which still even apply even today. And there's actually, you can go online and actually research this and there's historical situations where people have been being abducted by aliens.

• 2:18:04Speaker 03

  And then they'll cry out Jesus's name, you know, Jesus, help me. That's the, that's the prayer that they're, that he's crying out, and then all of a sudden, boom, the, the, uh, aliens completely disappear. Right? And so that, that's an indicator that what they prayed for, they got, Christ helped them. It's the same thing in the spiritual warfare. So if you ask your guardian angel, hey, you know, if you, uh, you know, communicate with him and say, hey, look, I need you to protect me, protect my children, that's what he's gonna do. If you ask Christ, um, or also even Our Lady, but if you ask to Christ, you know, hey, um, you know, protect my children or protect me, or there's this particular problem, which I think is a spiritual issue. Can you bind any of the demons that are involved in that?

• 2:18:47Speaker 03

  Then, you know, can you please just bind them from being able to do anything in relationship to that? So, um, I actually put out a book called Deliverance Prayers for the Lady, which people shouldn't feel restricted to that book because a lot of times just asking Christ directly, hey, this is what I need. That's what he's waiting for and then he'll give it to you. So, and then that's true about spiritual warfare. It's also true about just advancing in your own spiritual life and trying to become holier. But the book Deliverance Prayers for the Lady has some examples of, hey, this is how binding prayers work. This is how if you consecrate, um, things to Our Lady or to our Lord, then as a result of that, they'll start protecting them and things of that sort. So that kinda gives an example of the things that they can actually do. The main thing that people have to do though is they have to understand how evil works.

• 2:19:31Speaker 03

  And when they see the evil in their life, they have to go and ask Christ for the specific things. So for example, if you have a child who's like, oh, I think I'm, I'm gay, or I think I'm this. You have to ask, start asking Christ, um, you know, A, give him the grace to see that that's not what the situation is, or give him the grace to, you know, not wanna be transgender, whatever the case, but also Christ block any demons that could be causing those kinds of thoughts in this kid's mind. Um, they, if they start asking for the very specific things, that's when they're gonna see the most effect. Cause what you ask for is what you're gonna get.

• 2:20:06Shawn Ryan?

  So do we, do we, do we talk to our angels or do we communicate, do, do we communicate, do we talk to them?

• 2:20:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, you can talk to them. Cause they can, they can, when, when, they, they can, they, when, they see it in their mind when we're talking verbally, but they can also, if we direct our thoughts to them, they can hear our thoughts.

• 2:20:25Shawn Ryan?

  So we can pray to Christ, God, the Holy Spirit, Virgin Mary, we can, we, we talk to angels.

• 2:20:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:20:35Shawn Ryan?

  How do we differentiate who we pray to? Why wouldn't we just always pray to God if he is the?

• 2:20:43Speaker 03

  Well, it kind of has to do with this. Let me ask you this question. Let's say for the sake of argument, there was somebody who wasn't even, you didn't even know was outside your corporation. But they really wanted for you to do a particular thing for them. Would you be more likely to listen or grant it if they just came up to you and said, "Hey Sean, would you do X?" Or would they do it if your favorite employer or some of the guy that, or one of your, like your wife, they went to your wife and your wife says, "You know, I think that's good. I'll ask Sean and see what he thinks." When are you more likely to give it?

• 2:21:13Shawn Ryan?

  Direct.

• 2:21:15Speaker 03

  Well, okay, that's because you are what? You're manly about the situation. Okay. But most people would do what? They're telling, "No." But if your wife, if your wife asks, you're like, now, the reason that you're not, you wouldn't do it is because, the reason you like to direct is because you don't want people being obsequious, going around and trying to do that type of thing. But with God, the way it kind of works is, is that, yeah, He'll listen to us, so the direct stuff does work, and so I'm not telling people they shouldn't do that. But at the other, and on the other hand, He set up certain saints and even our angels, He sent them up

• 2:21:52Speaker 03

  so that He wants them, us to go to them, because, because then they can go to Him and ask Him, and because He likes them more, He's more likely to give it.

• 2:22:05Speaker 03

  And that's how, that's how basic intercession works. By the way, a lot of Protestants will say, "Well, the saints can't pray for us, that's such a..." We believe, even the Protestants believe in intercessory prayer, it's just who can do it is the question. Because they pray for other people too, so they're interceding for other people. And so the question is, is can the saints do it? Well, there's nothing in Scripture that says that they can't.

• 2:22:32Shawn Ryan?

  Let's talk a little bit more about the spiritual battle.

• 2:22:37Shawn Ryan?

  Is the battle happening right now between angels and demons, or is this something that's coming?

• 2:22:43Speaker 03

  So they, they don't fight each other direct, well, they do kind of fight each other directly, but it's, um, they're, so then after their fall, there was a short, kind of, period of time in which they still had, they were still in the presence of each other. The ones who had fallen and the ones who were faithful, and the ones who had the beat of the vision, the ones who were damned were in this presence of each other. At a certain point, Saint Michael, who's the guardian angel of the elect, that's his assigned task, he's the guardian angel of the elect, God gave him the power and told him, "Separate them," and, and, so that they can't, they can't be engaging in this battle with each other anymore. And so that's, and we know about that separation because it's right in Scripture,

• 2:23:28Speaker 03

  where the, the, the Lazarus, the guy that's, the guy that's damned says, "Hey, can you send Lazarus down to tell my brothers or, you know..." And then he says, "Well, first of all, they can't, we can't cross the abyss," right? There's this separation. And the only time it's ever allowed to go across that is God has to allow it, okay? So, we know that that's actually happened, so there's this, this kind of this, um, this actual abyss. That means that in the spiritual warfare, the angels and the saints aren't necessarily battling each other, and the reason being is, is because there's this thing called prelatation. Prelation is the ability of one thing who's higher, a prelate, is able to command a lower one to do something.

• 2:24:12Speaker 03

  All of the angels in heaven and all the saints in heaven have prelatation in relationship to the demons. So all they have to do is command them to leave, and they, boom, it has an immediate effect. So they don't sit there and battle back and forth, it has this immediate effect. That means that the battle now is primarily in us, in this world, in our minds, primarily in our bodies, where that's where the primary field of the battle is that's actually occurring, the primary theater, as they would say. And so, basically what it is, is that, um, then that means that there's two components to the spiritual warfare. One, we have to get our guardian angels and this, and the saints and, and God, and more involved in our lives so that they drive them out, so there's that.

• 2:24:55Speaker 03

  But then also, we can combat them to leave as well. And so, um, we can actually command the demons, you know, because Christ gave us the example, "Satan, get behind me," right? So, we can tell the demons, "Get away from me." And because we have rights over our body, they have to respect the natural law in relationship to us, and so if we're persistent, they'll leave.

• 2:25:22Shawn Ryan?

  Do angels kill? I read somewhere that a single angel killed a hundred and eighty thousand in one day.

• 2:25:31Speaker 03

  Uh, yes, in the sense of, um, there has been some, by understanding is, is that's the part of the mechanism in the Old Testament. They can, but they, uh, they only do it when God tells them to do it. And it's the same kind of a thing in which you saw in the Old Testament, God telling, telling the Jews in the Old Testament, "Hey, you gotta wipe out this whole group of people." And the reason being is, is because even the children, and to us, that's just pretty jarring, but the part of the reason for that is, is because you have to wipe out the adults because they're doing the evil and they're gonna cause evil and you're gonna get sucked into the evil.

• 2:26:11Speaker 03

  The problem is, is that the demons that are afflicting the parents are also start affecting the kids and get attached to the kids, and so even if you let the kids leave, you're gonna have a problem with it later. And so that's why it was done in the Old Testament. And I'm not suggesting that we do that as a form of warfare today, it's a, I can say it's a different kind of a dynamic. But that's actually why, but so in the past, the angels could kill entire segments of population, God permitting.

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• 2:27:08Shawn Ryan?

  You brought up Michael several times, what about Gabriel?

• 2:27:14Speaker 03

  So Gabriel's assigned function was to announce, to announce the, um, the coming of Christ, to actually the incarnation, so that was his, uh, one assigned task. And so that's why he actually appears to Our Lady to, um, to announce, this is what the, actually, so that's what he was actually created for. Outside that context, so each, not each angel, but a lot of the angels have a primary assigned task for which they were given, and then they have a secondary task that's usually connected to that. And so the other thing that Gabriel actually can do too is to, um, to encourage us and to get us to be more devoted to Christ.

• 2:27:52Shawn Ryan?

  What about Raphael?

• 2:27:53Speaker 03

  So in the Old Testament, of course, he's the one that heals. So his, that he can, um, you can invoke him for like people who are like, might have cancer, whatever the case is, ask for him to actually heal you.

• 2:28:04Shawn Ryan?

  Are there any other significance?

• 2:28:07Speaker 03

  Well, one other thing in relationship to Raphael, so also Raphael, um, sequestered, he's one of the nemeses of Asmodeus, who's the demon of homosexuality in men, he's also a demon of impurity. But in the Old Testament, he sequesters him in the deserts. And so he can ask Saint Raphael, if you're dealing with that particular demon, um, but you can ask Saint Raphael to be the one to help you in that regard.

• 2:28:35Shawn Ryan?

  What does the final battle look like?

• 2:28:41Speaker 03

  Basically, uh, okay, so the structure of it is,

• 2:28:48Speaker 03

  the human beings' morals will implode so badly that, and there'll be wars and rumors of wars and all this other stuff to such a degree that, um, at that point, the Antichrist shows up and presents himself as the solution to human, human beings' problems. And so, and he gains significant control over the human population. But there's a, a part of it that he actually doesn't. When he gets, shows up on the scene, then, um, then there's kind of stages that actually start to happen. There's still battling that's kind of going on on a spiritual level. But then Enoch and Elijah show up, they're put to death by the Antichrist. Then at a certain point, Saint Michael shows up, but he doesn't actually, um, he battles with the Antichrist, but he doesn't actually put the Antichrist to death, and in the end,

• 2:29:34Speaker 03

  Christ is the one who shows up and puts the Antichrist to death.

• 2:29:37Shawn Ryan?

  Well, Gabriel will come back to announce the second coming?

• 2:29:40Speaker 03

  Uh, not directly, is my understanding.

• 2:29:47Shawn Ryan?

  And when it's over, when we go to heaven or hell?

• 2:29:51Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:29:51Shawn Ryan?

  Are there levels to each?

• 2:29:52Speaker 03

  There is.

• 2:29:53Shawn Ryan?

  What do those look like?

• 2:29:55Speaker 03

  So in hell, the level that you have in hell, which is inverted of what is it in heaven? The lower you are in hell, which basically means the more is based upon how depraved you are, how evil you actually are. But that evil then also gives you more power and relationship to the other people in hell. So that's why even Satanists are doing a lot of evil things in order to raise their raise their place in hell. And technically speaking, they're lowering it. Um, but that's so there there is based upon how evil, whereas in heaven, it's how good you are, which basically means the more approximate or the more you like God, the better you actually are as a human being, as a person, as an angel, the more whole you are. Um, then that means that you'll have that place up in heaven. So there's different levels in heaven.

• 2:30:38Shawn Ryan?

  What kind of what are the levels?

• 2:30:40Speaker 03

  Um, so, well, the levels are actually based upon, um, the primarily the sanctifying grace that's in your soul. Saint Paul refers to in, uh, in his letters, he refers to the fact that sanctifying grace is basically God indwelling in us, in our souls. It's a qualitative change. So how much we have him indwelling in us determines where we're at in heaven. Some of that is broken down into the nine choirs of angels. So we're kind of in that. But there's also like different parts of heaven. So they they call them parts. But it basically just means that there's certain people that will enjoy certain things more than others based upon the kinds of virtues that they achieved in this life or the good actions that they did in this life. They'll just find certain things more enjoyable, uh, in heaven.

• 2:31:25Speaker 03

  All of us will have the beatific vision, that is to see God face to face. And basically what that is, when you actually look at the, um, the, uh, how the saints talk about the structure of this beatific vision, Saint Paul talks about, I will see him face to face and I will know myself as I am known. So you actually see God inside God's mind. You actually see him. And so the way that works is, um, in order for that to happen, there can't be any medium between us and him. And so what he does is he takes him, he infuses in our minds, this, um, for us, because we can't see him right now, even though he's here. So what God does is he infuses us another, what they call the light of glory.

• 2:32:10Speaker 03

  He infuses in us, he strengthens our mind so that all of a sudden, everything kind of is peeled back and we're able to see spiritual realities in what they actually are. And then, but that luminaria basically means, um, that he infuses that in our mind. And at the same time, he presses his very nature on our minds. So we see him literally face to face, we see him. That means that once you see him, you can see everything he causes, everything that he's done, all the glory and his work in the created order, all that, you're able to see it. We can't comprehend it all at once, but we can kind of look at it from different features. And so that's what heaven is like. It's like spending all our time looking at this from a variety of different points of view.

• 2:32:54Speaker 03

  The wholer you are, the more luminaria you get, and that means the more you understand God and the better you see his glory and his goodness. And as a result of that, the happier you actually are. So how happy you are is how holy you are and how good of a life that you led in this life.

• 2:33:13Shawn Ryan?

  So if we both die today and go to heaven and we're at different levels, will we be able, will we be able to interact?

• 2:33:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, we'll have, all those people in heaven have perfectly interaction. And so let's just say you get a higher place in heaven.

• 2:33:25Shawn Ryan?

  So it's a state of mind, a level of heaven is a state of mind, kind of.

• 2:33:30Speaker 03

  Kind of, yeah, it's a state in the sense of.

• 2:33:32Shawn Ryan?

  Different location.

• 2:33:33Speaker 03

  Exactly, exactly. So it's just means that, like, say you're higher in heaven, it just means you understand more and you have a higher degree of happiness than I have. I'm still perfectly happy, but there can be degrees of perfection. And so the, the people in heaven have done, and there's no envy. When I see you enjoying the beatific vision, just to say for the sake of argument that you have a higher, I'll actually see how good that is and how God, and I'll take delight in seeing the fact that you have a higher place than I do. So there's no envy, there's no nothing.

• 2:34:04Shawn Ryan?

  Do you think we will interact with relatives here on earth after we pass?

• 2:34:11Speaker 03

  Uh, yes, we actually do. I mean, I, it, it depends. Like, so if our, if our relatives actually make it to heaven, then there is some interaction. I'll, I'll give you a couple of examples that I've had just recently. My father died about three years ago. Um, in fact, next week, it'll be three years next week. And I was very, had a very strong or good relationship with my father. And, um, in fact, he's the guy that just taught me, hey, look, real men don't do this or that, you know, that type of thing. But, um, but anyways, so when he passed, because we, I work as a mechanic with him, twice, I've come across a mechanical thing that I couldn't solve.

• 2:34:53Speaker 03

  So I literally just said, hey, Dan, how do I, how do I solve this problem? Instantaneously, all of a sudden, boom, I get this clarity and see, all you have to do is put the wrench on this direction. Literally like, even though I had been working trying to fort this thing out for 45 minutes, boom, the thing came right off. I've had two experiences of that with my father. So I think there is an actual interaction. Um, there's also, uh, numerous people who talk about, like, I know one exorcist whose mother was a very holy woman. And during his sessions, he'll actually call his mother down and say, hey, come down and be present to this, and the person who's possessed can see the mother. So there, they do, we do have interaction with them.

• 2:35:37Speaker 03

  It's just, it's a, it's a one-way kind of a communication. We can communicate with them, they can do certain things with us. There are very, very rare circumstances where they appear to people, but I've never seen an authentic case in my life. I've just read about them.

• 2:35:54Shawn Ryan?

  Do we see our direct lineage when we die?

• 2:35:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:35:57Shawn Ryan?

  Isn't everybody our lineage, though, if we all came from Adam and Eve?

• 2:36:01Speaker 03

  That's right, we'll, we'll know it all. We'll see it.

• 2:36:04Shawn Ryan?

  We'll see what?

• 2:36:05Speaker 03

  We'll actually see the entire lineage of who, both up and down the, the actual line.

• 2:36:17Shawn Ryan?

  Did Christ have a guardian angel?

• 2:36:20Speaker 03

  So that is a question which Saint Thomas Aquinas asks, and then after him, that was pretty much the general belief of the, of the theologians and saints throughout, throughout after that. And basically, uh, the, we have a guardian angel because we're in the process of trying to save our souls and get to heaven, right? And so they guard us so that we can actually get there. Um, so that state of us, the process of getting there, um, the, historically, the saints from the patristics on called that the wayfarer state or wayfarers, we're on the process of, we're on the way to getting there. So the, the difference, though, is, is that Christ, even though he was alive in this life, he had the beatific vision from the time of his conception, according to the

• 2:37:04Speaker 03

  entire tradition of the church. And that's one of the reasons why we know that he had this, because of the fact that, um, he would, uh, you know, he would actually talk about I and the Father are ones, he could actually see it. But he would also say things like, um, you would see in scripture, Christ knew their thoughts, because he could see it, his human mind could see it in his, in his, uh, in his divine nature. He could see, because God was causing them. So he could actually see those things. So that's one of the, so we know that he had the actual, um, beatific vision. That means that he's not a wayfarer. He's already, his human nature was already, already in union with God, which is the final goal.

• 2:37:47Speaker 03

  And so he wasn't on the way, he was already at the end. And so Saint Thomas says he didn't actually have a guardian angel. It didn't mean that there weren't guardian angels who assisted him at time, at times. It didn't also mean that he wouldn't necessarily, in his divine nature, command certain angels to kind of keep certain things at bay so that he could do certain things. For example, you'd read in the scriptures how, um, the Jews would try and lay hold of him, he would just walk right through them, right? And so the angels can kind of block them from being able to do that. So, uh, the, the Jews from seizing him. So there was, um, so his, and he had, he actually mentions this to Nicodemus. He says, you know, you're going to see the angels ascending and descending upon the son of man, because all of the angels in heaven knew who Christ was, and they knew

• 2:38:32Speaker 03

  that he, um, also being God was who to whom they must serve. And that's also when he said, all power in heaven and earth will be given to me. So even the angels in heaven obey him and submit to him, so they, they serve him. And so, um, we know that, uh, that, so he didn't have a guardian angel, but they all served him.

• 2:38:55Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting.

• 2:38:59Shawn Ryan?

  Last question.

• 2:39:02Shawn Ryan?

  What is divine mercy?

• 2:39:05Speaker 03

  So mercy is defined as loosening the bonds of justice for the good of the individual. So in other words, somebody's done something bad. Now, justice normally being served would indicate that the person should have to suffer a proportionate evil in relationship to it. It's called the lex talleyani, so the law of the talons, which is, you know, which is actually in the Old Testament. So, you know, an eye for an eye or tooth for a tooth. So you have, the punishment has to fit the crime and it has to be proportionate. Okay. But a lot of times, that's not good for people, right? And especially with us as human beings when we're stupid and we realize, oh, man, I did something really bad. If we suffered the effects of all of our sins all the time, we would just be brutalized

• 2:39:50Speaker 03

  from the process. So what God does is He loosens the bonds of justice. In other words, He doesn't apply the full punishment of the law because it's better for our spiritual well-being in the process. And so His mercy, He grants it to us because it's a manifestation of His goodness. St. Augustine says it's the greatest manifestation of how good God is, that He actually doesn't punish us, that He actually doesn't extend the full extent of the punishment to us for that. Now, mercy is, we get mercy for two reasons, and this we know from the Old Testament and we also know it from the New Testament, that mercy is for the stupid. You know, you're dumb, okay, and so I'm gonna cut you some slack, right? But He doesn't do it all the time.

• 2:40:35Speaker 03

  Once in a while, He'll let us kind of suffer our stupidities and we clue in, okay? But then the other one is when we're sorry for it. And the reason His mercy, He gives it to us because we're a contrite, we're sorry for what we've done, is because of the fact that the sorrow, when we look at the evil that we've done, we sorrow in that evil. Whereas when we committed the sin, we were focusing on the good we were getting out of it, and that was disordered. So when He sees that order within the soul that, look, I've done this, I've done a bad thing, and that you're sorry to Him because you've offended Him, when He sees that sorrow, then He realizes that's the order that I was looking for, that the soul is rightly ordered.

• 2:41:18Speaker 03

  And as a result, that He communicates to them His mercy. And that means He loosens the bonds of justice and they're not bound by it. And so God's mercy is for the stupid and the contrite. And so divine mercy is specifically, God's mercy is, which He said in the Old Testament, look, if you're sorry, or in the New Testament, if you're sorry for your sins, this is what I'm gonna give you. So there's a certain sense in which it's also His mercy, it's His justice, because He is gonna be absolutely true to His word, which is just, that if you meet these requirements, I will loosen the bonds of justice, which is His mercy. But if you're not, then I'm not going to. So there's a justice element of it. But the point being is, is that His mercy is something which is, He desires for us

• 2:42:02Speaker 03

  to be under His mercy, which basically means He desires that right order of the soul for us to be sorry for the sins that we've committed. And then He basically, then at that point, He'll forgive us our sins, and then He, then He'll also confer to us good things because of the fact that we're sorry. What's interesting is, because God's outside of time, and He sees the totality of time totality of time all the time and all at once. So He sees what you've done in the past and He sees what you're doing now. That means that even though He has loosened the bonds of justice with you in the order of time, for all eternity, that is, and is eternal now, He will see the offense that you committed.

• 2:42:45Speaker 03

  This is why Christ dying upon the cross has an infinite effect, because it extends for the rest of eternity. And that's why it says in the Psalms, His mercy endures forever, even though He looked at your offense for all eternity. Nevertheless, He also sees your contriteness, and then you place yourself under His mercy. And then that's what He leaves you, that you live under, even though He sees it for all eternity. So He's literally merciful even to the people in heaven. The only ones who didn't get to enjoy His actual mercy are the angels who are always faithful, because they never committed anything evil. But the rest of us, His mercy endures forever.

• 2:43:25Shawn Ryan?

  Beautiful.

• 2:43:27Shawn Ryan?

  Well, Father, I feel really good about this interview.

• 2:43:31Speaker 03

  Good.

• 2:43:32Shawn Ryan?

  Would you like to end it in a prayer?

• 2:43:33Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 2:43:35Speaker 03

  In the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit, amen.

• 2:43:38Speaker 03

  Jesus, we give you thanks for everything that you have given us during this and for all of the knowledge that you have communicated through divine revelation, which has come down through us through the tradition of the Catholic Church and that we have actually been able to make use of. We also thank you for all of the graces that you have given to all of us, and we ask you to continue to give us the grace so that we may be faithful to your call to become holier, but also that we may be willing to follow the truth regardless of the personal cost. And in that, then, God, we will finally arrive at you, who is truth itself. In the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit, amen.

• 2:44:15Shawn Ryan?

  Amen.

• 2:44:16Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:44:16Shawn Ryan?

  Well, Father, I hope the next time I see is fly fishing on the river.

• 2:44:22Speaker 03

  I hope so, too.

• 2:44:23Shawn Ryan?

  All right.

• 2:44:24Speaker 03

  God bless you.

• 2:44:24Shawn Ryan?

  God bless.

• 2:44:37Shawn Ryan?

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