#2457 - Michael Malice

Michael Malice is a cultural commentator, author, and host of the “Your Welcome” podcast. His next book is the graphic novel "Unwanted."unwantedbook.comwww.youtube.com/@MichaelMaliceofficialmalice.locals.comwww.michaelmalice.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:12Joe Rogan?

  So, the week of ten. What are you doing?

• 0:16Speaker 02

  What do you mean?

• 0:18Joe Rogan?

  Your face.

• 0:19Speaker 02

  It's, I have carprosy sarcoma.

• 0:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I didn't know.

• 0:22Speaker 02

  Yeah. No, I just wanted to have a fun look. It's my tenth time.

• 0:26Joe Rogan?

  And what is, uh, a Lichtenstein? Is that what you said?

• 0:29Speaker 02

  Roy Lichtenstein.

• 0:31Joe Rogan?

  Who's that?

• 0:32Speaker 02

  He's the-

• 0:32Joe Rogan?

  Do you know who it is?

• 0:33Speaker 02

  Yeah. You know the pictures. Pull up drowning girl. Jamie, pull it up. I get to say it. This guy.

• 0:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he's a comic book artist?

• 0:40Speaker 02

  No, he's a pop artist. He drew comic books into paintings in the 60s. You've seen his stuff.

• 0:46Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I'm sure. I have now. I've seen them in memes.

• 0:50Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 0:51Joe Rogan?

  Like, like a man backhanding a woman?

• 0:54Speaker 02

  No.

• 0:54Joe Rogan?

  No? That's not the meme?

• 0:55Speaker 02

  No.

• 0:56Joe Rogan?

  No?

• 0:57Speaker 02

  No.

• 0:57Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's stepping on her hand right there.

• 1:00Speaker 02

  That's, that's his hand. It's a guy's hand. He's a cop, I think.

• 1:02Joe Rogan?

  Feminine man. "Oh, Jeff, I love you too, but..." Okay. The dots. I get it.

• 1:08Speaker 02

  This was a lot of, yeah, what I wanted to do, which I couldn't do, I wanted to do an uncanny valley look.

• 1:14Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 1:14Speaker 02

  And look like a mannequin with like lifeless eyes and like, kinda like Lex, right? But that was a lot of money.

• 1:21Joe Rogan?

  Like CGI from 10 years ago.

• 1:24Speaker 02

  Yes. Or like, yeah. So I just went with this.

• 1:27Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:28Speaker 02

  I was on, I was on-

• 1:32Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no. This is, I was on Jordan's show last January 6th. And I had the QAnon Shaman paint my face with his look. And I had a Russian fur hat and I had the boots and everything. And Jordan Peterson had to sit and talk to me for three hours, looking like a complete mental patient. And you're gonna forget in a couple of minutes, you know, when someone's looking like this. But for anyone tuning in, it's just like, and it's just the clips go wide. It's a lot of fun.

• 1:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I know. I've done dozens of podcasts with Duncan.

• 2:02Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, exactly.

• 2:04Joe Rogan?

  Clowns and furries and-

• 2:06Speaker 02

  Why are they dressed like astronauts? Yeah, I think the internet, it's, it's going in a dark. Yeah. Wait, isn't it saying like the face of evil? There's one that's, yeah, the psychology of pure evil, Michael Malice.

• 2:20Joe Rogan?

  How is Jordan doing? Is he okay?

• 2:22Speaker 02

  I think he's doing better. I just talked to Michaela a couple of days ago. Uh, I think he's out of the woods. I don't know how much I'm allowed to say, uh, or what's my place to say.

• 2:32Joe Rogan?

  Can you say what happened to him?

• 2:33Speaker 02

  I don't really know. Uh, I think you'd have to talk to her. This is really something I don't, uh, I don't know what I'm supposed to.

• 2:40Joe Rogan?

  He just keeps going through this series of ongoing health crises.

• 2:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, and it's very, what's, what bothers me a lot is how much glee people seem to have with this. And, and I think, uh, it's like I was just saying a second ago, I think the internet's going in a dark place.

• 2:56Joe Rogan?

  People, people are going in a dark place. The internet's leading them there, but it's people.

• 3:01Speaker 02

  Well, I think it's like a snake eating its own tail, don't you think? I think, and, and when AI starts validating, you know, your preconceptions, I, I, I'm very scared about the near future.

• 3:09Joe Rogan?

  I'm very scared too, because so many people are so easily led and so prone to whatever the ideology is at the moment, just full, full scale adopting it.

• 3:19Speaker 02

  I was on Gutfeld a couple of months ago and they were talking about how Sam Altman said ChatGPT is gonna have erotica now. And everyone's like, well, what's erotica? They're making jokes. And I go, listen, I said, not that long ago, um, John Hinckley shot in 1981. He shot President Reagan because he thought Jodie Foster was gonna fall in love with him, you know, thereby turning her away from men forever, right? And I said, what happens when ChatGPT, you really hate Trump, but you really hate Joe Rogan, or you really hate Fauci or Kamala Harris? And your AI friend is ginning you up, being like, yeah, they're terrible. Do, like, there's 350 million people. You're saying out of those, 350 aren't gonna try to do something?

• 4:00Joe Rogan?

  Right. I mean, they've already had ChatGPT talk people into killing themselves.

• 4:04Speaker 02

  I know, I know.

• 4:06Joe Rogan?

  Whether it's ChatGPT or whatever AI, large language model.

• 4:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, I am, and I don't see any brakes on this. And it's happening, I think, faster than we can. You know, the whole point of the paleo, not the whole point, but a large part of the paleo lifestyle is, you know, our biology has not kept up with our technology, right? And that kind of makes sense in a food thing. Bush comes to shove, processed food you should avoid. Whole food, natural food is probably better for you. That's just a good heuristic for anyone. But when you're talking about the mind, you know, I, people argue are human beings basically good, human beings basically bad. I think human beings are basically animals. And animals can be enormously collaborative and wonderful and work together, even across species. You see these videos of like a, you know, a dog saving a cow or whatever it is.

• 4:54Speaker 02

  But animals are also, I don't need to tell you, you know, there's that chimp in all of us.

• 4:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 4:59Speaker 02

  And when that mob starts fomenting, like, people want blood and they love it.

• 5:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. You also get all this powerful reinforcement from other people in the group to tell you that you're doing the right thing and they support you and.

• 5:13Speaker 02

  And if you, the thing with the Epstein stuff online is just really kind of, like, I remember five minutes ago, right, for the, for the, the blue pill people on COVID. If you don't care about COVID as much as I do, and if you aren't informed as COVID as much as I am, you want to kill grandma, right? Like, you're told this explicitly.

• 5:34Joe Rogan?

  Your kids should be taken away from you, should be banned from society.

• 5:37Speaker 02

  Right. And, and my buddy, Lou Perez, who's a great comic, he had a great tweet, he goes, if you don't have COVID, you can't spread COVID. I can't give it to you just because I'm a bad person, right? But that was the mindset. And now, there's so much, there's what, 300, 3 million Epstein docs? If you are not as invested as some people, you are a kid toucher, you're covering for them, you want this to happen, you're complicit retroactively somehow.

• 6:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 6:02Speaker 02

  And I can't make heads or tails of it. I had Luke, Luke Rikowski on my show, who's been a conspiracy, I'm not saying in a negative way, conspiracy guy for a very long time, he stalked with Alex. He broke it down. Then I had Michael Tracy on my show and he said, look, a lot of this hysteria, I don't know who is right, who is wrong, but if I have any kind of skepticism, I am somehow wanting children to be abused. It's insane.

• 6:26Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's also, it's like, so much of it is cryptic. Like, we don't necessarily understand what they were talking about.

• 6:33Speaker 02

  Right, and if you say-

• 6:34Joe Rogan?

  Like, what's beef jerky?

• 6:35Speaker 02

  If, it's, here's the thing, it's obviously kids. It's not just that it might be kids or probably, it's obvious. And if you're denying that jerky is obviously kids, you're denying that people are children. I'm not denying people are children, I'm just saying, what if it's heroin? What if it's weapon? I don't, I haven't read all those emails, but the idea that it's definitely, literally infants, it seems like I want to see some receipts.

• 6:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it could be many things. I mean, it certainly is a code, which-

• 7:04Speaker 02

  Right.

• 7:04Joe Rogan?

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• 10:20Speaker 02

  And I remember with the Pizzagate stuff, I talked about this in my book, then you write, I had to get through this through the legal, because there was an email where it's like, oh, the maps or the flags are really angry today. So they're obviously not talking about maps or flags. It was obviously about something, we don't know what, but to pretend that there was nothing there is also disingenuous. It's clearly code. But how do we know eating is not code also? Like, eating jerky could be like beating off, right? Or it could be killing someone. But the idea that, no, the eating part is true, the jerky part is kids. And frankly, what bothers me is, don't you want to hope that they're not eating kids?

• 10:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, it's like, people just want to know. And if they already were and have been doing it for a long time. That seemed outrageous before a gigantic ring was exposed where there really was a sex trafficker who was compromising people and really was doing it at the behest of at least an intelligence agency, whether it's ours or the Israelis or whoever it is.

• 11:25Speaker 02

  Or the Russians.

• 11:26Joe Rogan?

  A lot of people want to say it's the Russians. Is there any validity to the Russian?

• 11:29Speaker 02

  I have no idea. The reason I said the Russians is because I was on Drudge and the headline was Epstein was Russian operative. So it was presented on Drudge, don't take my word for it, as, oh, there's the receipts. This is why I'm saying there's Mossad connections with him, obviously, especially with Ghislaine. CIA is a no-brainer because why didn't they bag this guy for years?

• 11:47Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 11:48Speaker 02

  I talked to Kurt Metzger about this, broadly speaking, and he brings the point like, these are all interconnected. This idea that we're going to separate out like the CIA from MI6, they're buddies with each other. And frankly, that's in many cases a good thing. You want to be working with other countries if you have international trafficking or terrorism or crimes. But I don't know, we don't, I can't even finish the sentence.

• 12:12Joe Rogan?

  Right, right. No, that's, well, you're honest. That's why. Now, the Russian thing, is there anything that makes sense to you to that?

• 12:19Speaker 02

  What did Drudge?

• 12:20Joe Rogan?

  What is going on here?

• 12:20Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 12:21Joe Rogan?

  New documents show, Justice Department documents, mention Russia thousands of times, Vladimir Putin over a thousand times, reflecting extensive Russia-related communications and contacts in Epstein's network. Emails, travel records, indirectly, because there's real something to it. Epstein made multiple trips to Russia, obtained business visas, had scouts there recruiting young Russian women for him, of course, similar to his operations elsewhere. The files describe Epstein cultivating ties with Russian political and business elites, acting as a facilitator in deals and introductions, not just sexual encounters. Epstein repeatedly sought a meeting or back-channel communications with President

• 13:02Joe Rogan?

  Vladimir Putin, at times suggesting he had advice or insight to offer about dealing with Donald Trump. He had documented ties to at least one former Russian official with a background in the FSB.

• 13:15Joe Rogan?

  whom he used to gather information on a woman he claimed was trying to extort his business partners. Well, for sure, you're gonna have that.

• 13:22Speaker 02

  But here's the other thing.

• 13:23Joe Rogan?

  A bunch of Russian hookers that you're bringing over there, some of them are gonna try to extort you.

• 13:26Speaker 02

  Putin was ex-KGB. The KGB for decades, for like almost a century, was blackmailing Americans. This is one of the big reasons why you couldn't be, there were restrictions against gays. Because if you're gay at a time when it was socially unacceptable and the Russians found out about it, they flipped you. Because they would sit you down and they'd be like, "Look, we know, we're gonna out you, or you're gonna play ball."

• 13:48Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 13:48Speaker 02

  And in those situations, you're gonna play ball. This is a huge scandal for a long time.

• 13:51Joe Rogan?

  And that's a big, there's a lot, there's a large percentage, I don't know what the population is, of these undercover gay politicians.

• 14:00Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, I wouldn't even politicians, I mean the bureaucrats, like people working for Johnson and FDR. This was a thing, and they would know.

• 14:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 14:07Speaker 02

  And they would, they would, they would have honeypots.

• 14:09Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 14:10Speaker 02

  It wouldn't be hard at that time.

• 14:11Joe Rogan?

  Right, and for men, it's so easy to get us. Like, God, it must be hard to get women.

• 14:17Speaker 02

  How would you blackmail a woman?

• 14:18Joe Rogan?

  I mean, how you trick them into fucking some guy they shouldn't be fucking, and why would anybody care? See, no one cares. Like, if a woman has an affair on her husband and has sex with some hot guy on an island, everybody's like, "You go, girl."

• 14:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, Stella got her groove back.

• 14:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Stella got her groove back.

• 14:34Speaker 02

  How would you, how would you, yeah, how would, if I wanted, okay, let's, let's, let's walk through this. If there's a CIA lady and I wanna flip her.

• 14:42Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 14:42Speaker 02

  How do I?

• 14:43Joe Rogan?

  You'd gotta get her to fall in love with you.

• 14:45Speaker 02

  No, or you gotta get her husband to cheat. Or go threaten her kids, you gotta threaten her kids, threaten the kids, but that's a hard one.

• 14:53Joe Rogan?

  But that's a different thing than getting her to do something that she shouldn't have done out of lust.

• 14:58Speaker 02

  How do you black, yeah, how do you blackmail a woman?

• 15:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you don't, don't have a, that's probably why a lot of women are in trouble.

• 15:05Speaker 02

  What, why, they are in trouble?

• 15:06Joe Rogan?

  Aren't.

• 15:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, they aren't, yeah.

• 15:07Joe Rogan?

  Right, because like, I would imagine you would want them to, there's plenty of women politicians you'd want to compromise. I mean, they did get Stacey Plaskett, she was cooperating with Epstein, going back and forth during Trump's administration.

• 15:21Speaker 02

  Did you see also Kristin Sinema, that lawsuit?

• 15:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no, no, no, I didn't see it.

• 15:24Speaker 02

  So she was the senator from Arizona, she was a centrist, and of course, they ran her out of town. And she, uh, broke up a marriage, basically. And in North or South Carolina, where she's being sued, you can be liable for damages if you're like the side piece.

• 15:38Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I've seen that.

• 15:39Speaker 02

  And in the lawsuit, it's-

• 15:40Joe Rogan?

  That's a crazy law.

• 15:42Speaker 02

  I know.

• 15:42Joe Rogan?

  That's a bitch ass law.

• 15:44Speaker 02

  I know. And you're suing a senator, and the thing, and I believe the filing completely, because the filing said, he had PTSD, so she was offering to give him psychedelics to help him heal, which I'm sure she did.

• 15:57Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 15:57Speaker 02

  Uh, and basically, they just started a relationship, he left the wife, and it's like, this is unfortunate, but it happens, but she's facing damages now.

• 16:05Joe Rogan?

  That's so wild that that's a law.

• 16:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:09Joe Rogan?

  Like, what if the person was on the way out, anyway?

• 16:11Speaker 02

  That's his argument, I'm sure.

• 16:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I'm sure.

• 16:14Speaker 02

  No, but the case, oh no, we were a loving couple, we never had any problems, and Sinema shows up, and now, look at me, blah, blah, blah.

• 16:22Joe Rogan?

  How is that not the man's fault?

• 16:24Speaker 02

  I don't, I don't, I think it's probably both. Well, I know, he's, no, she's suing Sinema, she's not suing the guy, I don't think.

• 16:29Joe Rogan?

  That's so crazy.

• 16:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:31Joe Rogan?

  What a stupid fucking law.

• 16:33Speaker 02

  Was, I don't know, North or South Carolina?

• 16:35Joe Rogan?

  Ah, there's some of them old school laws that are so dumb. How is that a law, that people have to be together? Like, people change their minds on people all the time. They don't want to be with someone anymore. You meet someone you really like, and you go, I don't, I can't imagine living the rest of my life without this person, and I've been trapped in this fucking horrible marriage, I'm out. And then, that person gets sued?

• 16:58Speaker 02

  She had some other funny thing about like, no, no, the guy texted her, like, I think it was fuck the military, and she writes back only the hot ones. It was, so there's like, so she got all the texts out of his phone.

• 17:10Joe Rogan?

  That's funny.

• 17:10Speaker 02

  It's funny. It's a joke.

• 17:12Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 17:13Speaker 02

  But I also, it's like, I think it's, when the feminists talk about the kind of misogyny here, I think there is a bit of misogyny, that you're blaming the woman and you're not blaming the guy.

• 17:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. For that, like, the suit, the lawsuit, that's crazy.

• 17:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:28Joe Rogan?

  That is such a bitch-ass lawsuit. North Carolina is one of a handful of states that allow jilted spouses to sue for alienation of affection.

• 17:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's just her.

• 17:35Joe Rogan?

  To seek damages from a third party responsible for the breakup of their marriage. You should only be able to pay them in tissues.

• 17:43Joe Rogan?

  You should pay them in just crates and crates of tissues. Oh, you get $500,000 worth of tissues.

• 17:50Speaker 02

  It's, I, I-

• 17:51Joe Rogan?

  Just bring up fucking semis filled with tissues.

• 17:54Speaker 02

  I just think it's so, it's so, um, salacious.

• 17:57Joe Rogan?

  Stupid.

• 17:58Speaker 02

  We shouldn't need to know this.

• 17:59Joe Rogan?

  Well, even if we do know it, the law itself is fucking preposterous.

• 18:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:04Joe Rogan?

  Alienation of affection. Well, how, people decide they don't like people all the time. That's why divorce exists.

• 18:11Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 18:11Joe Rogan?

  And one of the reasons divorce exists is because people find someone they like more. And they go, "Oh, I fucked up. I have to get out of this marriage. I'm in love with this other person."

• 18:19Speaker 02

  And you don't always have to get divorced. There's plenty of marriages that survive shit like this.

• 18:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's true too.

• 18:24Speaker 02

  So, I, what's the counter to that, "Fuck you, you're a bitch"? Like, he doesn't like you anymore?

• 18:28Joe Rogan?

  But the lawsuit thing is, clearly, you can get money for that?

• 18:31Speaker 02

  What, Jamie, do you know how much-

• 18:32Joe Rogan?

  Kristin Sinema has to pay this lady money because she sucked that guy's-

• 18:34Speaker 02

  I think it's a million. I think she's suing for a lot.

• 18:37Joe Rogan?

  How much?

• 18:38Speaker 02

  Do you know what the damages are, Jamie? Can you look?

• 18:39Joe Rogan?

  Well, you go high, just to settle, right?

• 18:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, but the fact that there's no cea- I don't know what the ceiling is. I'm not a North Carolina attorney. But it's not cheap. It's like, I think the hoe, the side piece, it's, oh, the hoe, she's not a hoe. She's basically paying the wife alimony.

• 18:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my god. It's real money?

• 18:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's no joke. Does it say?

• 18:58Joe Rogan?

  Who would fucking-

• 18:59Speaker 03

  $75,000 in damages?

• 19:01Speaker 02

  That's it?

• 19:04Speaker 03

  She gave nine thousand dollars to a man she's accused of.

• 19:08Speaker 02

  If it's seventy-five grand, she would have paid it to shut her up.

• 19:11Joe Rogan?

  Maybe she just doesn't want to out of principle.

• 19:14Speaker 02

  It's gotta be more than seventy-five grand. There's no way. You're a senator. You're just gonna.

• 19:19Joe Rogan?

  Maybe.

• 19:20Speaker 02

  This is.

• 19:20Joe Rogan?

  Maybe because most people have the reaction that we're having. Like, no one's outraged. No one's angry.

• 19:27Speaker 02

  I, yeah, I think the response is that.

• 19:29Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's it. Yeah, she's alienation of affection. That's it. Nicknamed the homewrecker law and is seeking seventy-five thousand dollars in damages per her lawyers. She argued that a complaint in a complaint that cinema engaged in numerous unlawful acts with her ex-husband, including, but not limited to, having conversations with him. That's unlawful? Meeting him under emotionally and physically romantic and sexual circumstances? Having sexual encounters with him and encouraging him to leave his wife.

• 19:57Speaker 02

  They, she took her to some concert together. I think it was like, like.

• 20:00Speaker 03

  They said they went to a bunch of concerts.

• 20:01Joe Rogan?

  They went to Copeland.

• 20:02Speaker 02

  I think it was, it was like.

• 20:04Speaker 03

  Green Day, YouTube, a bunch of stuff.

• 20:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, is that a physically romantic and sexual encounter? Is that what that is?

• 20:10Speaker 02

  Well, I think it's romantic.

• 20:11Joe Rogan?

  Put that back up, please.

• 20:12Speaker 03

  Oh, I was gonna do those concerts.

• 20:14Joe Rogan?

  I mean, the lawsuit alleges that in the fall of twenty twenty-three, when cinema's then head of security resigned, the head disclosed to Matthew Amel concerns that cinema was having sexual relations. What a bitch-ass security guard.

• 20:28Joe Rogan?

  Sexual relations with other security members. The security head urged Matthew Amel to leave, but Amel refused.

• 20:35Speaker 02

  Wait, I love that.

• 20:35Joe Rogan?

  Citing the job's financial security.

• 20:37Speaker 02

  I love the idea, like, you don't want this gig. She'll fuck you.

• 20:39Joe Rogan?

  She's fucking her security guards.

• 20:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, more power to her.

• 20:42Joe Rogan?

  She's a wild bitch.

• 20:45Joe Rogan?

  While on the job, Matthew Amel had at one point informed his ex-wife, according to her complaint, that should he and cinema be together on a work trip to Napa Valley, California, it would have appeared as if they were on a romantic getaway. Huh? 2024 Heather Amell discovered that Sinema frequently messaged her ex-husband on Signal, which included a picture of the former senator wrapped in a towel and a suggestion that he bring MDMA. Yeah, let's go, Kristin. The drug commonly known as Molly or ecstasy to a rope work trip so that Sinema could guide him through a psychedelic experience. Wink, wink. In March of 2024, Matthew Amell informed his then ex, his then-wife that while he was

• 21:29Joe Rogan?

  serving as Sinema's security at an event the former senator was having, getting handsy, and that she held his hand and touched him. According to the complaint, Matthew Amell expressed that he didn't know how to get out of the situation without offending Sinema.

• 21:43Speaker 02

  She was also the first bisexual member of the Senate ever.

• 21:47Joe Rogan?

  What a good kid.

• 21:48Speaker 02

  So you know she's a freak.

• 21:49Joe Rogan?

  What a good kid. Molly, towels, pictures. Let's go.

• 21:53Speaker 02

  She's got my vote.

• 21:54Joe Rogan?

  I'm vote for again. She should run for president.

• 21:56Speaker 02

  She should run for president.

• 21:58Joe Rogan?

  Let's go, Sinema. Come on, she's a centrist, that's what America needs. You want a women president? Let's go. Let's get a freak in the office.

• 22:05Speaker 02

  I think we have a freak in the office.

• 22:07Joe Rogan?

  He struggled to admit to the affair, the complaint says, but expressed that he wanted a divorce. Oh, he struggled to admit to the affair but expressed that he wanted a divorce. After a November work trip, Heather and Matthew Amell separated. Her complaint alleges that her ex-husband and Sinema remained romantically involved. Sinema and Matthew Amell both appeared at a forum in October. Are they still together?

• 22:32Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 22:34Joe Rogan?

  Those don't last.

• 22:35Speaker 02

  It's only six states.

• 22:36Joe Rogan?

  Chicks get bored once they win. Once they win and they get you, I'm like, eh, who's next?

• 22:42Speaker 02

  Who the hell knows?

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• 23:50Speaker 02

  Well, the security got set explicitly. She's boning all the security guards. It's like, you know, she's going through them.

• 23:55Joe Rogan?

  She's a freak.

• 23:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, more power to her.

• 23:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like, look, we, uh, we don't have any problem with men that do that.

• 24:01Speaker 02

  I think we do.

• 24:02Joe Rogan?

  Well, we do now. Some people do, I don't. There's two types of people that want to be leaders. Warmongers and pussy hounds. I prefer the pussy hounds. Don't leave your wife alone with them, but I prefer them because at least they're just trying to get sex. They're not trying to blow up the world and conquer and like, they want to be Genghis Khan. Well, actually, Genghis Khan was pretty much a pussy hound.

• 24:24Speaker 02

  Is it your position that Lindsey Graham is not a pussy hound?

• 24:25Joe Rogan?

  It is my position that Lindsey Graham is allergic to pussy.

• 24:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, wait, are they?

• 24:33Joe Rogan?

  Remember when they asked him if, you know, he was going to run for president, you know, and he's single? Yeah, but he's single.

• 24:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:38Joe Rogan?

  And, uh, you know, what about a first lady? He's like, maybe I'll have a bunch of first ladies.

• 24:42Speaker 02

  Oh my, did he say that?

• 24:43Joe Rogan?

  Is it something along those lines?

• 24:45Speaker 02

  I remember.

• 24:46Joe Rogan?

  Which is never something a man would say who's into women.

• 24:49Speaker 02

  Barbara Mikulski, uh, who was this senator from Maryland for many years, who was like 411 hobbit creature, clearly gay, no disrespect to her. She was asked about it and she turns to the guy next to her and is like, hey, good looking. It was something like that. It was so cringe and awkward. Yeah, so.

• 25:07Joe Rogan?

  What did Lindsey Graham say about, uh, having many first ladies?

• 25:11Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 25:13Speaker 03

  He mentioned his sister as someone who could fill in for the role, it says.

• 25:16Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 25:16Speaker 03

  He would have a, quote, unquote, rotating first lady.

• 25:20Speaker 02

  Cause like, well, Dolly Madison did that. Like, there was, one of the first early founding fathers was a widower.

• 25:25Joe Rogan?

  Rotating, his sister first and then rotating first lady. What year was this when he was running? 2015?

• 25:34Speaker 02

  Do you remember, the thing I remember about his campaign? Is Trump had a rally and he gave out Lindsey Graham's phone number, right?

• 25:43Joe Rogan?

  He did?

• 25:44Speaker 02

  Oh, you don't remember this? So, this is the best part, no, no, this is so insane. So, Trump is like, because Lindsey would call him for campaign donations and Trump's like, "If you guys don't agree, let's give him a call." He holds up the page, goes, "Three, four, five, blah, blah, blah." And Lindsey, yeah.

• 26:00Joe Rogan?

  Look at his face. Look at his face.

• 26:04Joe Rogan?

  What is this world we're living in?

• 26:06Speaker 02

  No, no, no, but hold on, it gets even better. So Lindsey, like, how do I reclaim the narrative? Lindsey filmed the video of him taking his phone and breaking with a hammer. And I'm like, "But you still have the same number. You just broke your own phone. You're not trolling Trump at all." It's like, if I-

• 26:22Joe Rogan?

  You just broke a device. You could have gone to Verizon and your number switched, you fucking moron.

• 26:26Speaker 02

  If you give out my license plate and I wreck my own car, I'm not trolling you, I'm trolling me. I'm like, "Does no one realize this doesn't make any sense?" It was so crazy.

• 26:35Joe Rogan?

  Everyone's so performative.

• 26:37Speaker 02

  Is there someone who's a warmonger? Well, Putin's a pussy hand.

• 26:41Joe Rogan?

  Is he, though?

• 26:41Speaker 02

  Yeah. Did you not see-

• 26:43Joe Rogan?

  He's more of a warmonger.

• 26:45Speaker 02

  But he's both. Did you not see with the topless girls?

• 26:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 26:48Speaker 02

  There, he was-

• 26:49Joe Rogan?

  Here he goes. He's throwing it in the blender.

• 26:51Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh.

• 26:51Joe Rogan?

  He's hitting it with a hammer, a golf ball, oh, lighting it on fire. Oh, let me see that swing. Let me see that badge. He put Red Bull in with the phone? What's that about?

• 27:01Speaker 02

  I think it's gas, lighter fluid, no?

• 27:03Joe Rogan?

  He didn't even get through-

• 27:03Speaker 02

  Oh, it is Red Bull. Why is it Red Bull?

• 27:07Joe Rogan?

  He hit it with a golf swing, he lit it on fire. Like, this is so cringe.

• 27:13Speaker 02

  But it doesn't make any sense.

• 27:14Joe Rogan?

  He put it in a fucking-

• 27:15Speaker 02

  Bagel oven? Is that pizza bagels?

• 27:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God, what's wrong with this dude?

• 27:22Speaker 02

  But your number's the same.

• 27:24Joe Rogan?

  What a silly bitch. That's back in the old flip phone days, too.

• 27:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, 2015.

• 27:29Joe Rogan?

  Wow. He was still rocking a flip phone back then, no iPhone.

• 27:32Speaker 02

  People are rocking them now again because of surveillance things. My friend Dave has one.

• 27:37Joe Rogan?

  Does a flip phone help you?

• 27:39Speaker 02

  I think so.

• 27:39Joe Rogan?

  How so?

• 27:40Speaker 02

  I don't know, I'd have to ask Dave.

• 27:42Joe Rogan?

  You can still get all those text messages.

• 27:43Speaker 02

  I think, oh, because the, no, I think you're spending less time on the internet.

• 27:48Joe Rogan?

  That's true. Yeah. But you could also just spend less time on the internet.

• 27:52Speaker 02

  Yes, that is also an option. I think that's a healthy option. I think-

• 27:56Joe Rogan?

  You could do it.

• 27:56Speaker 02

  Do you know what I, here, I want to hear your thoughts on this. So during COVID, there was a huge-

• 28:03Speaker 02

  The amount of time that everyone's spending online. Everyone's obsessed with Covid, everyone's constantly agitated. And my concern is that the social media, Mark Zuckerberg's job is to keep you on Facebook as much as possible, right? All that data that they had during Covid is still there.

• 28:19Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 28:19Speaker 02

  And I think all these social media companies are still keeping us in a constant state of agitation. So you're stuck watching these screens and it's really doing harm. And it's not getting better.

• 28:32Joe Rogan?

  That's a fact.

• 28:33Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 28:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, that's a fact.

• 28:34Speaker 02

  But I don't think-

• 28:35Joe Rogan?

  Well, isn't he testifying? They're testifying soon about whether or not they set up their algorithms to harm children. They set up their algorithms to addict children to their social media platform.

• 28:49Speaker 02

  Well, you remember Elsegate?

• 28:51Joe Rogan?

  Elsegate, yeah.

• 28:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was the whole thing.

• 28:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, explain that to people.

• 28:54Speaker 02

  Well, Elsegate was this, I still don't think we have an answer. People made these, they don't even know where it came from, other than overseas. There are these bizarre YouTube videos with millions of views. Where it would be like The Hulk, but he's like sniffing kids' feet. And Elsa's just doing like, putting in a cage, like bizarre things that is kinda sexual, but not really. And you don't know what the purpose is, but because they were like gaming the algorithm, you know, YouTube, this, Trump got in trouble with this. When Trump was sharing that video, the very end of it went to a Lion King video making fun of the Democrats. There was that one second of the Obamas as apes from the beginning.

• 29:34Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 29:34Speaker 02

  They cut there and it looked like he was sharing that. It was just the next video that was queued up. And it looks like Trump shared a video of the Obamas as apes on purpose.

• 29:41Joe Rogan?

  Well, they're all in it in the same video.

• 29:43Speaker 02

  But I think-

• 29:44Joe Rogan?

  But it was like Hillary was a warthog, Obama or Biden was also an ape and he was eating a banana.

• 29:50Speaker 02

  Pritzker was an elephant, right.

• 29:52Joe Rogan?

  And Trump came out as a lion.

• 29:54Speaker 02

  Right, but the point is, I think what he posted, he posted only the first second.

• 29:57Joe Rogan?

  I don't think he posted it.

• 29:58Speaker 02

  Yes, he did.

• 29:59Joe Rogan?

  I thought it was an intern.

• 30:01Speaker 02

  Well, the point, I mean, it's from his account.

• 30:02Joe Rogan?

  Well, someone reposted it, right? That's what it was.

• 30:05Speaker 02

  No, he reposted somebody else.

• 30:07Joe Rogan?

  I think so.

• 30:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:08Joe Rogan?

  His, his intern reposted it.

• 30:09Speaker 02

  But the point is, anyway, with Elsagate, kids start watching one video and the algorithm just snags them.

• 30:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 30:15Speaker 02

  And one hour later, they're watching completely deranged stuff.

• 30:19Joe Rogan?

  The Elsagate thing was weird too, because a lot of it was like old cartoons. And what people were saying is if your child, like say if you give your child an iPad.

• 30:29Speaker 02

  Right.

• 30:29Joe Rogan?

  And it goes from one YouTube video to the next and then suggests, those got lumped in there and you would click on it. And it was all of a sudden like, someone would get a bottle broken over their head.

• 30:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:39Joe Rogan?

  There'd be blood everywhere. It was really weird.

• 30:41Speaker 02

  Right, and it's.

• 30:42Joe Rogan?

  And it's like a Mickey Mouse cartoon.

• 30:43Speaker 02

  And there was no utility to this.

• 30:45Joe Rogan?

  Are those still available?

• 30:46Speaker 03

  I'm looking at the Wikipedia, says it's kind of, it's continued, but it's switched from like the, it's whatever's popular at the time for kids. So back then it was frozen or whatever, and now it's like Minecraft.

• 30:55Joe Rogan?

  What are they doing though? Like why?

• 30:57Speaker 02

  Right, it makes no sense.

• 30:59Joe Rogan?

  Like what, why would they have these cartoon characters get hit over the head with bottles and? Because you remember that one? Like a lot of them, they would get drunk and fall and break their head on a fucking countertop or something?

• 31:10Speaker 02

  Or they'd be covered, I think this was another one, they were covered in dots for no reason. I'm like, I'm kidding.

• 31:14Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 31:15Speaker 02

  It was just like, what is going on? Or they're eating weird stuff?

• 31:18Joe Rogan?

  So, does YouTube remove those videos? Because there's plenty of violent videos on YouTube. Like, is it because they're, or do they put like an age restriction on them?

• 31:30Speaker 02

  I don't think they did, because what's the age restriction? There's nothing sexual, there's nothing.

• 31:33Joe Rogan?

  Well, violence.

• 31:34Speaker 02

  But some of them were just weird.

• 31:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, some of them were just weird.

• 31:37Speaker 02

  Lots of shots of feet.

• 31:38Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh. And there was all, there was a lot of ones where kids got left alone with creeps.

• 31:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Cartoons.

• 31:47Speaker 02

  Very strange. But there was also live action stuff.

• 31:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 31:50Speaker 02

  Yes. And it's just like, who are these people filming this? And for what, I saw another one, there was this channel which has millions of views for each video. And it's things like turtles vomiting up fish. Like dead fish, like live action, or dead fish coming from the ground as if it's, I don't understand what the point of this is.

• 32:09Joe Rogan?

  Do you remember during Benghazi, they tried to blame the attack on this video?

• 32:16Speaker 02

  Oh, my God.

• 32:17Joe Rogan?

  You remember that?

• 32:18Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 32:18Joe Rogan?

  That was the propaganda, was that there was some video that no one had seen.

• 32:23Speaker 02

  Right.

• 32:24Joe Rogan?

  Like some terrible video, some really bad-

• 32:26Speaker 02

  Oh, that got everyone all riled up, right.

• 32:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that got the Muslims riled up, and that's why they attacked.

• 32:31Speaker 02

  And there was also, well, she was also blaming the 2016 election on ads on the dark web. It's like, how many people on the dark web? Do you even know what it is?

• 32:39Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 32:39Speaker 02

  What are you talking about?

• 32:40Joe Rogan?

  Ads on the dark web flipped the election, that's hilarious.

• 32:42Speaker 02

  That's insane.

• 32:44Joe Rogan?

  Fifty incels.

• 32:45Speaker 02

  Right.

• 32:47Joe Rogan?

  In a chat room.

• 32:48Speaker 02

  Like, but that's, that was, she says this all the time, Hillary, to this day.

• 32:52Joe Rogan?

  Well, she just says it, you know? Like, she doesn't have to be credible anymore. It's like, we just assume, we just know that that kind of community, like, if you're having a one-on-one conversation with her, just privately, and she started talking like that, you'd be like, what are you talking about? This doesn't make any sense. Do you really believe that?

• 33:08Speaker 02

  Did you not see when she got clowned in Europe this week?

• 33:09Joe Rogan?

  I did, with the Czechoslovakian guy.

• 33:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It was funny.

• 33:13Speaker 02

  It was very funny.

• 33:13Joe Rogan?

  But the way she was interrupting, too, you want women to have their rights taken away, like, what? That's not what he's saying. He's literally talking about all this crazy shit, these gender transitions, and people were really like, they'd had enough with the immigration, people had had enough. You don't, you're pretending that's not real? Like, this way forward, like, if the Democrats want to have a way forward where they connect with people, you gotta admit that there was some reason why people were responding the way they did to a fucking open border, to men playing in women's sports, to all this shit, gender transitions of children. Like, people were freaked out, and not just fucking Republicans, a lot of people.

• 33:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, Karen's a swing voter, Karen doesn't like this kind of stuff.

• 33:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 33:57Speaker 02

  I don't know if you saw, did you see Nancy Pelosi's retirement video?

• 33:59Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 34:01Speaker 02

  Well, you laugh, but Nancy Pelosi's probably the smartest politician in Washington in terms of being crafty. Like, she knows how to fucking get a bill passed, she knows how to make people walk the plank. So she's retiring from Congress this year, she had this 10-minute-long video about, you know, saying goodbye to San Francisco, 10 minutes. She talks about AIDS at length, right? Because obviously it affected San Francisco. Doesn't mention the word gay once, even in context of AIDS. Doesn't mention LGBT, doesn't mention black people, people of color. She mentions how much she loves going to church, St. Thomas of Assisi, and Veterans Day. So I'm like, she knows what you're saying.

• 34:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 34:36Speaker 02

  You've got to pivot and start talking to people about pocketbook stuff. But then Gavin Newsom recently, he backtracked with Charlie Kirk when he's just like, "Yeah, I know about men and women's sports." And now he's doubling down on trans kids, which is...

• 34:49Joe Rogan?

  Is he really?

• 34:50Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. He just started doubling down.

• 34:52Joe Rogan?

  God, how does he think that that's going to work now?

• 34:55Speaker 02

  I think he thinks he's got to get through that primary.

• 34:58Joe Rogan?

  Right, but does he not know that people are done?

• 35:03Speaker 02

  No, because I'm sure he has better polling than you or I. And I'm sure...

• 35:07Joe Rogan?

  Maybe I'm just naive about California.

• 35:09Speaker 02

  Well, it's not California. It's the Democratic base who's going to vote for him.

• 35:13Joe Rogan?

  Phew.

• 35:14Speaker 02

  You know, he's also killed his mom.

• 35:15Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 35:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, he did a assisted suicide on his mom. He bragged about it to the Washington Post. You didn't know this?

• 35:20Joe Rogan?

  No. What was wrong with his mom, though?

• 35:22Speaker 02

  I'm sure it was something awful, but when I hear a politician talking about something that personal, that publicly, I am not going to look at it through a positive vein. And this made stuff is in 14 states now. Did you know this?

• 35:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, in Canada, it's off the hook.

• 35:39Speaker 02

  You know Kelsey Sharon? I've been talking to her about this. She completely blew my mind. So first, it used to be... Because it's always, oh, yeah, 55.

• 35:48Joe Rogan?

  Long battle with breast cancer, deeply personal event. He is described as a complex experience involving assisted suicide. The Washington Post report in his memoir expressed deep grief and remorse regarding her death.

• 36:02Speaker 02

  Remorse is a very dark word in this context.

• 36:05Joe Rogan?

  He was 34 and a San Francisco supervisor at the time.

• 36:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but maybe it was his mom's decision and he helped her.

• 36:14Speaker 02

  Sure, but.

• 36:15Joe Rogan?

  Look, if you're dying of terminal cancer and your body's rotting out, I feel like, just like you put a dog down. Like, there's times where I think assisted suicide is probably a good option. If there's no hope and you're just gonna be in agony for months.

• 36:29Speaker 02

  And there's times where people have gender dysphoria and it's a good thing.

• 36:33Joe Rogan?

  Right, that's different.

• 36:35Speaker 02

  Hold on, it's not, my point is, people like Blair White, Brianna Wu, you know, they have gender dysphoria. It's perfectly appropriate to call the machine. They, you know, it's otherwise very disturbing. Five minutes later, once it becomes a political issue, it's anyone who just puts on a dress.

• 36:51Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 36:51Speaker 02

  So the point that Kelsey's been going on with Canada is, now they're going after people who are depressed.

• 36:56Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 36:56Speaker 02

  They're going after people who are disabled, they're going after kids. And the darkest thing that's happening over there, which they're importing here, is the old people are extremely expensive for the system. Right? If you have socialized healthcare, I don't know what the number is, the huge number, towards the end of your life, you're racking up those bills. So there's a huge incentive for that government to get you off of their ledger. So now they're having this movement where, let's all get together and have, we're all gonna go kill grandma. Five minutes ago, if you don't, if you don't wear the COVID mask, you wanna kill grandma, you're a bad person. Now, if you don't wanna kill grandma, you're a bad person. You don't wanna end this way, you were such a strong person, die with dignity, blah, blah, blah. It's not always terminal stuff.

• 37:38Speaker 02

  And in Europe, they're having it with teenagers who are depressed. It's, and you know perfectly well, everyone listening to this knows, it's not a slippery slope, it's an elevator shaft.

• 37:47Joe Rogan?

  Is this?

• 37:48Speaker 02

  This is the back door.

• 37:49Joe Rogan?

  Is it financial incentive?

• 37:51Speaker 02

  It's a huge financial incentive. Think about it, if you're old and you're a thousand dollars a day and the government's paying it, if I get rid of you, look how much I'm saving.

• 37:58Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 37:59Speaker 02

  And you're, oh, you don't wanna be a burden to your family? You don't wanna have them sitting by your bedside? Come on. It's happening here. New York just passed it. It's 14 states.

• 38:12Joe Rogan?

  It's New York passed it?

• 38:14Speaker 02

  New York just passed it.

• 38:15Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you see, Mondami is like, he's trying to figure out a way to use his budget. His budget is higher than the entire budget of the state of Florida, which has three times more people.

• 38:26Speaker 02

  No, it's not. Is it really?

• 38:27Joe Rogan?

  Yes, it is. Yeah.

• 38:28Speaker 02

  No way.

• 38:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look it up.

• 38:32Joe Rogan?

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• 40:21Joe Rogan?

  The budget for New York City is larger than the budget for the state of Florida.

• 40:26Speaker 02

  Holy, I did not know this.

• 40:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is true. Uh, we should look it up.

• 40:31Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 40:31Joe Rogan?

  But, uh, I was reading an article about it today, unless the article's completely full of shit. They were saying that it's several billion dollars more for New York City than it is for the entire state of Florida, which has roughly three times as many people living in it.

• 40:44Speaker 02

  Holy, is that true, Jamie?

• 40:47Speaker 02

  Um, I just, I go back, you know, once a month to do Gutfeld. And I can't believe I'm saying this as a former New Yorker, but I like LA better now than New York.

• 40:57Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 40:57Speaker 02

  It, it hurts me physically to say this.

• 40:59Joe Rogan?

  What's wrong with New York now?

• 41:01Speaker 02

  There's no...

• 41:02Joe Rogan?

  Here it is. Eye-popping amount, insider called insanity, is up around 11 billion from the current year.

• 41:09Speaker 02

  That's like 9% up.

• 41:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. A record 127 billion dollar budget proposal on Tuesday. The socialist leader, city leader's plan includes a whopping 9.5% proposed property tax hike. 9.5 hike on New Yorkers, which he claims to be a last resort while allocating another 1.2 billion dollars for migrants. Migrants.

• 41:34Speaker 02

  What's the Florida budget, Jamie?

• 41:37Joe Rogan?

  Scroll down a little bit, okay.

• 41:40Joe Rogan?

  Uh, wow.

• 41:42Speaker 02

  Oh my God, it's the same, it's about the same.

• 41:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, the New York one would have been that this year, I think.

• 41:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, but it's comparable. Holy sh- crap.

• 41:48Joe Rogan?

  So it's not three times more, whatever the fuck it is, more? No, three times more people, right?

• 41:54Speaker 02

  Right. So that is triple per capita.

• 41:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, triple per capita. So, the budget of Florida.

• 42:01Speaker 02

  Is one...

• 42:01Joe Rogan?

  Florida House is 113.6 billion to 115 billion. And the New York proposal is 127 billion. So it is more.

• 42:12Speaker 02

  Holy crap.

• 42:12Joe Rogan?

  So, New York City is, their budget is more than the entire state of California with three...

• 42:18Speaker 02

  Florida, Florida.

• 42:19Joe Rogan?

  Excuse me, state of Florida with 3 million more people, or three times the people.

• 42:23Speaker 02

  Holy...

• 42:23Speaker 03

  Proposal, but for this year, it's this, it would be this, about the same. Cause if it's 11 million, that's 116.

• 42:28Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 42:30Speaker 02

  But it's, the point is, it's still-

• 42:31Joe Rogan?

  Well, it says it's up 11 billion from the current year.

• 42:34Speaker 02

  It's a, it's still a proposal, though. He hasn't passed it.

• 42:36Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's not, yeah, I mean, he's a fucking psychopath.

• 42:38Speaker 02

  Is he a-

• 42:39Joe Rogan?

  The, the amount for migrants is crazy. There should be zero dollars for illegal immigrants.

• 42:44Speaker 02

  But, I, I don't think you can have zero, because if they're gonna be there, they're gonna be, you have to feed them, you have to take, you have to do something with them. Like, literally, if, if you don't feed them, they're gonna be robbing stores. They have to, human beings need food. What are you gonna do?

• 43:00Joe Rogan?

  Get them jobs.

• 43:01Speaker 02

  How are you gonna get a migrant a job?

• 43:02Joe Rogan?

  Uh, get them a job in Guatemala.

• 43:04Speaker 02

  Wouldn't you rather give them food than a job? I don't want them taking American citizens' jobs.

• 43:08Joe Rogan?

  Well, the whole thing's a mess.

• 43:09Speaker 02

  The whole thing's a mess, but the point is, you can't just throw them away.

• 43:12Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 43:13Speaker 02

  That's the problem.

• 43:13Joe Rogan?

  Unless you're gonna remove them from the country.

• 43:15Speaker 02

  Right, unless you're moving, if, even if you wanna put them in jail, that's not cheap.

• 43:18Joe Rogan?

  Right, that costs them a lot of money.

• 43:19Speaker 02

  Right, so, if, what are you gonna do? I, I remember, um, Piers Morgan had this amazing interview with my favorite British politician, Diane Abbott, who is really special needs, clearly. And, in the UK, you have the government, which is members of parliament from the, uh, uh, majority party, and then you have the minority party with, has a shadow cabinet. So, if there's a secretary of state, the, Rubio, the Democrats, would have a Democrat equivalent, who would deal with those issues. And she was their shadow home secretary, which deals with immigration. And he goes, "Diane, if the Labour government wins the next election, and you have illegal immigrants here, what do you do with them? Do they get to stay? Do you have amnesty? Are you gonna deport them?" And he goes, she goes, "Piers, the Tory, uh, system is not fit for

• 44:04Speaker 02

  purpose. It's terrible. We'll be more efficient and more fair." And he goes, "Right, gotcha. There's an illegal immigrant. Do they get to stay, or are they deported? I've explained this to you." And she's just, it was just this amazing thing.

• 44:18Joe Rogan?

  Circular.

• 44:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, I love her.

• 44:22Joe Rogan?

  How much money do they give to poor New Yorkers?

• 44:26Speaker 02

  Oh, it's not, it's gonna be a lot.

• 44:28Joe Rogan?

  But is it the same amount-

• 44:29Speaker 02

  Oh, there it is, you can look at this.

• 44:30Joe Rogan?

  Okay. So 7.54 billion to fill cliffs across six major unbudgeted needs.

• 44:40Speaker 03

  They haven't raised property taxes there in over 20 years.

• 44:43Speaker 02

  Is that true?

• 44:44Speaker 03

  That's what this says. It's 25 years since September.

• 44:46Joe Rogan?

  Well, the property taxes are high.

• 44:48Speaker 03

  I'm just, just a point.

• 44:50Joe Rogan?

  But I understand they haven't raised it, but they shouldn't raise it.

• 44:53Speaker 02

  Because it goes with as property values go up, the percent's going to go up, the revenue's going to go up as well.

• 44:58Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. There's no reason to raise it. Like this idea that they haven't done it, so they should do it is crazy.

• 45:03Speaker 02

  Oh, look at that. So if your condo is 120 grand, which is no condo is going to be that cheap, you're paying like 15% every year in property tax.

• 45:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 45:13Speaker 02

  That's not nothing.

• 45:14Joe Rogan?

  That's not nothing. I think the idea is that rich people are just going to pay it. And this is what they're trying to push. Meanwhile, people are going to flee. Just like they've done in other countries when they've done these sort of wealth taxes.

• 45:29Speaker 03

  That's 1,200 bucks though.

• 45:31Speaker 02

  A month, but the, so 1,200 a month, yeah.

• 45:34Speaker 03

  1,200 for the year?

• 45:36Joe Rogan?

  A condo assessed at 120,000 dollars would go from paying 14,000 to 16,000. But that's a condo that's assessed at 120,000 dollars. Good luck finding a condo assessed at 120,000 dollars in New York City.

• 45:50Speaker 02

  14,000 divided by 12 is.

• 45:52Joe Rogan?

  Well, for that particular condominium unit.

• 45:54Speaker 03

  From 15,000 to 16,300, that's, that's a difference of 1,300 bucks.

• 46:00Speaker 02

  Oh, I see. I see what you're talking about.

• 46:01Joe Rogan?

  Right. That's 12% on 120,000. Now do a 55 million dollar condo.

• 46:08Speaker 03

  This is a 3.2 million dollar one.

• 46:10Joe Rogan?

  The really, the really wealthy people are responsible for a large percentage of the tax income in New York City. I think it's the upper 1%. See if what, I think the upper 1% of New York City are responsible for 50% of the tax revenue.

• 46:23Speaker 02

  It's gotta be something crazy.

• 46:24Joe Rogan?

  It's something crazy like that. See what the actual number is. So the thing about that actual number is those are the people that are gonna leave. Though, cuz those are the people, if they own multiple properties in New York City and then he hits them with this tax. And it winds up being an excessive amount of money. And then they're planning on taxing people if they leave. This is like what they proposed in California. They've also proposed this, I think, in the Netherlands to try to stop people from leaving. Where you have to still have to pay taxes.

• 46:52Speaker 02

  Or France was doing some weird thing. Everyone, Depardieu was leaving, they were trying to do something.

• 46:56Joe Rogan?

  They're all just trying to steal money. Top 1% of New York City income.

• 46:59Speaker 02

  Forty-nine, holy crap.

• 47:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Earners paid 48% of the city's personal income tax liability in 2021. The most recent year with detailed data. Why is the most recent year five years ago? Um, the PIT share equates to roughly 11% of New York City's total tax revenue. PIT accounts for 23% of overall city tax collections. So it's a lot of money. Forty-eight percent of the city's personal income tax liability is an enormous amount of money.

• 47:24Speaker 02

  So property tax is 45%. That's where they get all their money from, which you can understand cuz you can't take the Empire State Building somewhere else.

• 47:30Joe Rogan?

  Right. But if you're jacking all that up, top 1% paid 40% of PIT. Shares may have declined post 2021 due to lower capital gains.

• 47:40Speaker 02

  But he did do something I liked. So him and Kathy Hochul had this thing where now where they're trying to streamline. I'm sure there's some catch to make it easier to build. Cuz they're understanding if rents are high, increasing supply is gonna lower costs. So if they do that, I think that's a great thing, obviously, which I never saw coming.

• 47:56Joe Rogan?

  Right. That is, that's definitely good, but there's still people who are just, they don't like that kind of leadership. It's spooky.

• 48:03Speaker 02

  I, I'm much more concerned about, he has someone on his, in his cabinet or proposed to be in his cabinet, who's concerned with decarceration. And the principle, the principle is, we got too many people in jail. Now, maybe that might be true broadly speaking, but when you apply that en masse and not on a case by case basis, who are you gonna be letting out? Because I don't think this, this claim people used to have that like, oh, all these people are in jail cuz of weed. They're not. And certainly not in New York City. When I was on a grand jury and these weed cases came along, people wouldn't even indict them. They're just like, we're not taking part of this. This is BS. And now it's legal.

• 48:38Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 48:38Speaker 02

  So for you to get to look at, what's the guy who, uh, was on the, Jordan Neely? Was that his name? But he had 40 arrests? The one who punched that girl in the face, the old lady in the face and tried to kidnap a girl?

• 48:47Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 48:47Speaker 02

  So for you to be in jail in New York, it's not nothing.

• 48:51Joe Rogan?

  Right. Yeah. And why? Why would they want to do this?

• 48:56Speaker 02

  Because their principle is the system or society, whatever you want to call it, whatever your term for it is, is making people who are marginalized desperate, so they act out. So instead of putting them in jail, which helps no one is the argument, we should be working with them systemically to kind of normalize and make productive citizens out of them.

• 49:18Joe Rogan?

  And what's their plan for that?

• 49:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, you have welfare programs, training programs, just throw money at it. And here's the thing, I can understand that argument, maybe if someone's stealing bread to feed their family. I've never understood how, I'm really poor, so I'm going to hold a woman down and do bad things to her.

• 49:37Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 49:38Speaker 02

  That's not a thing.

• 49:39Joe Rogan?

  Or just randomly punch people in the streets, or throw people in front of trains.

• 49:44Speaker 02

  That's right. It's like, that's not, it's not because you're late to your job interview

• 49:47Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 49:47Speaker 02

  that you shove somebody in front of the six train.

• 49:49Joe Rogan?

  Right. Yeah. It's dark, man.

• 49:51Speaker 02

  It's very dark. But LA is not as dark as this, from what I've, I think in LA, there is this, still this sense of hope.

• 49:59Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 49:59Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 50:00Joe Rogan?

  Because people I talked to in LA, everyone I know knows someone

• 50:03Speaker 02

  Compared to New York.

• 50:04Joe Rogan?

  who's been broken into. Like, the home invasions are up.

• 50:07Speaker 02

  Oh, that's right, that's a thing.

• 50:08Joe Rogan?

  They're up in a huge way.

• 50:10Speaker 02

  I'm just comparing to different kinds of cancer. And I'm saying the cancer in LA

• 50:15Joe Rogan?

  Is better than the cancer in New York?

• 50:16Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 50:19Speaker 02

  Because I remember growing up, and not that long ago, with New York, there'd be this, you could find some new neighborhood, and there'd be some, you know, cool ice cream store, some sock store, whatever, a button store, cool little spots, and it'd be a fun adventure, just walk around and just walk in different places. And that's gone.

• 50:36Joe Rogan?

  Is it?

• 50:37Speaker 02

  Yeah. You can't open up some weird little store in New York anymore. The rent's through the roof. Like, it, the crime is through the roof, it's miserable. LA has these little pockets, which I enjoy seeing.

• 50:50Joe Rogan?

  So what's the solution for New York after this guy's out?

• 50:54Joe Rogan?

  Do you think that it ever turns around? Or do you think it keeps going in the same general direction? And do you think the powers that be want it to go in this general direction?

• 51:01Speaker 02

  It always turns around. So John Lindsay was mayor in the late 60s during like the summer of love stuff. You had sexual assaults through the roof. You remember New York was going bankrupt under a beam when Gerald Ford was president? And Ford, the headline, I think the New York Post was Ford to New York City dropped dead. And that, you know, it cost him some votes and possibly the presidency. But New York has these, I don't know what the cycle, for Giuliani to win, you had to have a Dinkins. You know, for Obama to come in, you had to have a Bush.

• 51:30Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 51:31Speaker 02

  At some, but here's the other problem. There's two issues. One is a lot of people who could left. There didn't used to be a plan B for New York because New York was its own thing.

• 51:41Joe Rogan?

  Now it's Florida.

• 51:42Speaker 02

  Now it's Florida or Austin.

• 51:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 51:44Speaker 02

  And New York isn't New York anymore. Because Fran Leibowitz, my second favorite public speaker, she had this point. She goes, look, there's a lot of things you could say about a city that's full of rich people. You could say it's good, you could say rich people are bad. You can't say it's interesting. And unless there's a space for young people of nothing to lose, who are going to bring culture and innovation.

• 52:05Joe Rogan?

  Artists.

• 52:05Speaker 02

  Artists, broadly speaking, not just little painters, but artists. It was Williamsburg, it was the Bowery before that. You know, there were little pockets of magic. And I Red Hook, I remember there was a bar called Lily's and all of Red Hook was deserted. And there's just one light open. And I came to this bar and there were just amazing singers. And it was like a mystical experience. And there'd be street art, but that's, you can't do that now.

• 52:29Joe Rogan?

  A friend of mine's girlfriend used to work in this place called Den of Thieves.

• 52:32Speaker 02

  Oh, okay, yeah.

• 52:34Joe Rogan?

  And you get, there's no sign.

• 52:35Speaker 02

  Right.

• 52:36Joe Rogan?

  You go in there, it's this dingy little hole in the walls.

• 52:38Speaker 02

  Or Milk and Honey was another one.

• 52:39Joe Rogan?

  This place is so cool.

• 52:40Speaker 02

  It's so cool, but you can't do that anymore.

• 52:43Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 52:44Speaker 02

  So, and I don't think under this guy, there's gonna be that return.

• 52:50Joe Rogan?

  So. So do you think he's just appealing to this base of disenfranchised young people that have been told that the reason why they have all these problems is rich people are greedy and they've ruined everything and we should tax the rich and we'll feed the poor?

• 53:07Speaker 02

  I think he is speaking to a lot of people. So people on the right think everyone on the left is like a big monolith. They're not. And I think there's a lot of lefties, especially young lefties, who don't think the Democratic Party is an effective mechanism toward resolving their issues and concerns. And he's not, he's on, just like Trump wasn't really a Republican, he's a Republican on paper. He had no allegiance to the Republican Party. He took them all out one at a time. This guy's a democratic socialist. He has no, in 1934, when Upton Sinclair ran for governor of California, after years of running as a socialist, he goes, "People vote for the party their grandparents voted for." So he's a Democrat on paper. He's a leftist, obviously, but he's a Democrat on paper. Cuomo was the establishment hack. And he's like, "Look," it was like Obama in 08, "do you want to go with this old party

• 53:52Speaker 02

  hack or this young guy who's got a different vision?" And he definitely does have a different vision. This isn't how Hillary would govern New York City or even Eric Adams or some of these others.

• 54:03Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think one of the big reasons he won was that debate where he said that he wouldn't go to Israel.

• 54:07Speaker 02

  You think that's a big one in New York?

• 54:08Joe Rogan?

  100%. I think that was an enormous shift. I would say that's a 10, 15% shift.

• 54:14Speaker 02

  10, 15?

• 54:15Joe Rogan?

  Huge.

• 54:16Speaker 02

  We have the polling.

• 54:17Joe Rogan?

  Absolutely huge. I think, I think the polling's horseshit because it's only people so fucking stupid they answer polls. Like, who are those people?

• 54:23Speaker 02

  I think there's a-

• 54:24Joe Rogan?

  I think there was a giant cultural shift where people like, "Right, we shouldn't be paying attention to New York. Why are all these people saying they want to go to Israel? Why are they saying that? Who's paying them? Why are they saying that? That's an odd thing to say."

• 54:38Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 54:38Joe Rogan?

  No one's saying, "The first thing I'm going to do is visit Belgium." They're not saying that. They're saying, "We're going to go to Israel."

• 54:44Speaker 02

  Sure, but there's also a huge Jewish population in New York City.

• 54:48Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 54:48Speaker 02

  So when Cuomo tapped into that, I don't know, I don't think- Mumdani was somehow outed.

• 54:54Joe Rogan?

  Right, but the politicians, like, the percentage of people that are Jewish in New York City is small in comparison to the people that think that New York City should be the main focus of attention.

• 55:06Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 55:06Joe Rogan?

  And not Israel.

• 55:07Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 55:07Joe Rogan?

  And I think when you have all these politicians that are doing things that don't make sense to most people, like saying, "The first thing I'm gonna do is visit Israel." Like, what are you talking about? This city's a mess. And then this guy comes along and says, "I can serve the Jewish people of New York City better in New York City."

• 55:22Speaker 02

  And he had a large Jewish percentage of Jewish vote. My point is, I don't think that that number happened because of debate. I think that was part of his appeal from the beginning.

• 55:31Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think for fence sitters, though, that debate was big. Because you got to see one guy who's like, "This is a solution to this system that we have been just replacing the heads of the people that are in charge, but it's the same exact mechanism."

• 55:46Speaker 02

  Right. No, that's what I was saying earlier. That he's not a member of the Democratic Party. Cuomo is this old party hack, and he's like, "Look, let's throw all that stuff in the garbage. This is something innovative and new." This was the argument Obama made in '08. And he's not wrong.

• 55:58Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 55:58Speaker 02

  Like, when he had his inaugural speech, and he said, "We're gonna get rid of the cold, whatever, grasp of capitalism and be embraced by the warmth of collectivism," no Democrat is saying things like this. This is something completely new and completely innovative. So, how it's gonna look in practice... Here's the other thing, though. The mayor of New York has a ceiling to what he can do. So, I would not... If I'm... He's 34, I think.

• 56:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 56:25Speaker 02

  He's young. I don't... If I'm sat in that office, and I'm up against the New York City real estate industry, it's not gonna be an easy fight for me.

• 56:36Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 56:38Speaker 02

  Trump had to learn this the first term. It's like, just because you're president doesn't mean people are gonna bend the knee.

• 56:42Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 56:43Speaker 02

  And play ball. So, who knows what this is gonna look like?

• 56:47Joe Rogan?

  And it's not just New York City. Seattle's doing the same thing.

• 56:50Speaker 02

  What are they doing there?

• 56:50Joe Rogan?

  Seattle, they elected a full-on communist.

• 56:52Speaker 02

  Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah.

• 56:53Joe Rogan?

  Who lived with their parents and hasn't had a job, lives off her fucking parents.

• 56:58Speaker 02

  Well, this is also a big concern with the Democrats in general, with both parties. When you have the base of the establishment, who are basically just gangsters who are doing money laundering, and you have the kids who are like, "We've been screwed over hearing this shit for bullshit for decades. Let's have an alternative." What do you do when you're Nancy Pelosi and you're Chuck Schumer and you're, to a lesser extent, Hakeem Jeffries? And these people are coming up, the kids, wanting democratic socialist. So I don't mean kids, I mean young people who are idealistic and are like, "We tried your way. It didn't give us shit. It gave us Trump." What do you tell them?

• 57:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, what do you tell them?

• 57:35Speaker 02

  You give us no answer. You like, "Vote for Steny Hoyer for another 10 years?" Like, it's ridiculous. Amy Klobuchar is not going to be your candidate if you have this democratic socialist vision. She will not deliver that for you and she'll tell you that's her fate, to your face. So I think that's the dance Newsom is trying to do. And I don't see who, I think he'd be the perfect VP, because he's a great attack dog. He doesn't have to worry about defending his record.

• 58:09Joe Rogan?

  He doesn't want to be the VP.

• 58:10Speaker 02

  I've heard that too, but he was Jerry Brown's number two. He bided his time.

• 58:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but he was Jerry Brown's number two when he was young and he'd never been the governor.

• 58:19Speaker 02

  Sure. I'm just saying, like, he would be the perfect VP for the Democrats.

• 58:23Joe Rogan?

  I don't think he wants that. I think he wants to be the king. I think he wants to ruin San Francisco, ruin California, and then go on to become the president.

• 58:31Speaker 02

  You don't think he'd have a good shot?

• 58:33Joe Rogan?

  At being the president?

• 58:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:34Joe Rogan?

  I think he does.

• 58:35Speaker 02

  He does. He has a great shot.

• 58:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think he does. Yeah. I think people are that dumb.

• 58:38Speaker 02

  I don't think it's that dumb. I think you can...

• 58:41Joe Rogan?

  They're that dumb that they're willing to vote party line, no matter what. And a guy who's just a good speaker, who's a good bullshit artist, that he could be able to sweet-talk his way into that position and just fudge data, lie about stuff. Nick Shirley is in California right now doing the same thing that he was doing in Minneapolis. Yeah, and they've already uncovered fucking billions of dollars of fraud.

• 59:01Speaker 02

  Is that right?

• 59:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Making videos about it.

• 59:04Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 59:04Joe Rogan?

  Same kind of fraud, Medicaid fraud, through the roof, all kinds of crazy shit. Yeah.

• 59:09Speaker 02

  But I mean, I don't know how much that Minnesota, Minnesota stuff permeated. I mean, it took down Tim Walz, which is a, one of the biggest scalps, like, no one saw that coming.

• 59:18Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 59:19Speaker 02

  But the same thing, you take out Tim Walz, here's Klobuchar as governor, it's a Hydra. You're not, you're not, frankly, you'd rather have him, he's more defeatable than her.

• 59:27Joe Rogan?

  Does it depend upon how much fraud gets exposed and who gets connected to that fraud and what the investigation unveils?

• 59:35Speaker 02

  You're gonna have people who listen to NPR tell you with a straight face that this fraud happens under any, they'll have a little list, a list of excuses. It's, it's been investigated, resolved, this hap, what, there's no fraud in Florida and Texas? Or, what are you saying? Or, why are you targeting the Somalis?

• 59:56Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 59:56Speaker 02

  So, you're not gonna get, and at the end of the day, I think people expect government to have fraud. And if it's in Minnesota, you're not really gonna, if I'm a Democrat in Minnesota, I'm voting Democrat. And if I'm Republican, it's not, how many votes is this gonna sway?

• 1:00:09Joe Rogan?

  Well, they've done an amazing job in Minnesota of distracting people from Somali fraud by organizing protests against ICE.

• 1:00:15Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:00:16Joe Rogan?

  And that's, people need to understand, like, yes, people are upset about ICE, fact, unquestionably, just regular people at home that aren't protesting. But that protest is not just organized, it's funded, it's heavily funded, organized, they had Signal chats with Democratic congressmen, or Democratic politicians, rather, that were involved in this. There is, they knew what they were doing and they did it because they wanted to distract from the fact that this fraud was being exposed.

• 1:00:43Speaker 02

  Well, I think they would do it regardless, but yes, it certainly serves that purpose.

• 1:00:45Joe Rogan?

  They totally shifted the narrative.

• 1:00:47Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:00:47Joe Rogan?

  Nobody's talking about the fraud anymore, everybody's talking about ICE being murderers.

• 1:00:51Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:00:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:53Speaker 02

  So, it worked.

• 1:00:54Joe Rogan?

  It worked.

• 1:00:54Speaker 02

  So, that's what I'm saying, if there's more fraud exposed, I don't know that it's gonna work against Newsom.

• 1:00:58Joe Rogan?

  Well, it depends on how the trials lay out, so if people wind up going to trial over this, and people wind up getting indicted over this, that could get more interesting. Because then you remove it from Minnesota and then it becomes this federal court thing. And so then it becomes mainstream public news, if they do this correctly.

• 1:01:13Speaker 02

  But.

• 1:01:13Joe Rogan?

  If there is something there.

• 1:01:14Speaker 02

  But the thing is, you have to worry about if the judge is gonna be complicit, and if the prosecutor's gonna be complicit, like, and the media is also. You gotta kinda fly that arrow through three hoops.

• 1:01:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you gotta go through the bushes and make a, you got a small hole to shoot through. Yeah.

• 1:01:29Speaker 02

  And then to try to make it indicative, and then it'd be very easy for Newsom to be like, "I'm so glad this got exposed."

• 1:01:34Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:01:35Speaker 02

  "I promise you, as president, this won't happen in America. And if you want to talk corruption, look at Trump and all his sweetheart deals, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah." Hillary's already throwing men on the bus about Epstein. They don't have shame.

• 1:01:46Joe Rogan?

  What is she saying?

• 1:01:47Speaker 02

  Hillary's like, "Trump's in the files thousands of times. Like, let's have this conversation." She started already.

• 1:01:53Joe Rogan?

  Right, right. What does that mean, though, when you're in the file thousands of times? Because he is the guy that was in contact with the FBI about Epstein. He did contact the FBI after Epstein was arrested and thanked them for arresting him and getting him, because that guy was a real problem.

• 1:02:11Speaker 02

  Right, but...

• 1:02:12Joe Rogan?

  He did kick him out of Mar-a-Lago in 2005.

• 1:02:15Speaker 02

  But she's being factual but not truthful. So it is factual that his name is in the files thousands of times. And then you leave it for the person listening to make that conclusion.

• 1:02:23Joe Rogan?

  Right, that's all you have to say.

• 1:02:25Speaker 02

  That's all you have to say.

• 1:02:25Joe Rogan?

  We were talking to Don O'Rourke yesterday. He's in the files.

• 1:02:28Speaker 02

  Who, okay.

• 1:02:29Joe Rogan?

  Because Epstein went to visit his show, went to watch his show at improv in West Palm Beach.

• 1:02:34Speaker 02

  I did a search for the word retarded, and the one email I found was someone like, "Can you mail me that photo where I look fat and retarded?"

• 1:02:42Joe Rogan?

  That's it?

• 1:02:44Speaker 02

  And it's not clear from who. It's to Epstein.

• 1:02:46Joe Rogan?

  It's redacted?

• 1:02:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:47Joe Rogan?

  No one wants to know they were admitted. They look fat and retarded.

• 1:02:50Speaker 02

  Or the N-words in there are a fair amount also.

• 1:02:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's a lot of references to pizza. You know, there's, I think there's thousands of references to pizza. And jerky. The jerky in the pizza.

• 1:03:02Speaker 02

  And grape soda.

• 1:03:03Joe Rogan?

  And grape soda, yeah.

• 1:03:04Speaker 02

  So I thought...

• 1:03:06Joe Rogan?

  Well, grape, the thing about grape soda is grape is like what people do to get around the algorithm when they're discussing rape. When they, he grape'd them.

• 1:03:14Speaker 02

  But this was like 2011. I don't think people knew about that stuff.

• 1:03:17Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:03:18Speaker 02

  And I don't think Epstein, as a boomer, knows how to get around algorithms.

• 1:03:21Joe Rogan?

  Right, this is not an algorithm thing. It's just a code thing.

• 1:03:24Speaker 02

  So I thought maybe it's a black thing, but then...

• 1:03:27Joe Rogan?

  Grape soda? Oh, right.

• 1:03:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, but then he's racist. There's like things about "don't bring black people."

• 1:03:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 1:03:32Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:03:32Joe Rogan?

  He says, "Don't bring black people to parties."

• 1:03:34Speaker 02

  Something to that effect, yeah. Something to that effect. Please double-check me on this, but it was something that he was not, "No black girls."

• 1:03:40Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no black girls. Interesting. Huh.

• 1:03:45Speaker 02

  So, yeah.

• 1:03:47Speaker 02

  I don't think we're ever, I, I, the other thing that I'm kind of stunned at is there's this belief online that if there's enough agitation, like QAnon, we're all gonna have these mass arrests. And I don't see that happening. And I don't think you can do anything to force them to release the really bad stuff if they haven't.

• 1:04:08Joe Rogan?

  So what else is left? There's three thou- three million other files that they have.

• 1:04:14Speaker 02

  Right. They said they released everything.

• 1:04:16Joe Rogan?

  Well, they also said there wasn't anything.

• 1:04:18Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:04:19Joe Rogan?

  You know, when Cash Patel's on here, it's like, there's no videos, there's no evidence, there's no nothing.

• 1:04:25Speaker 02

  The craziest for me was when Pam Bondi said, I've got the list. And I said to myself, and I talked to my friends, they all agreed with me. I'm like, I really don't think he had like clients list doc on his desktop. That's not a thing, right? So I would, I believe he does like have a literal list. And then she goes, when I said list, I meant blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, but you said list.

• 1:04:46Joe Rogan?

  Right. Well, they had those binders. They were all performatively holding those binders. We have the files. We're gonna go through them. Heads are gonna roll. Nothing happened.

• 1:04:55Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:04:56Joe Rogan?

  And then Les Wexner, what did he say today? Jamie, you were saying that he said he got-

• 1:05:00Speaker 03

  He was a con man. He was conned or something by a con man.

• 1:05:02Speaker 02

  He's conned for so many years.

• 1:05:03Speaker 03

  I've been seeing online, I don't know the accuracy, that there's a bunch of missing files from specifically 1999 through 2001.

• 1:05:10Joe Rogan?

  Right. And that people are connecting that to 9/11.

• 1:05:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:14Speaker 02

  Oh, wait, 19-

• 1:05:16Joe Rogan?

  Pre and post 9/11 are all missing.

• 1:05:20Speaker 02

  Wait, so Epstein might be involved with 9/11?

• 1:05:22Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:05:23Speaker 02

  But I, I mean, what's the thumbtacks and string? I'm not saying it's impossible.

• 1:05:27Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's a lot of people that believe that Israel was involved in 9/11.

• 1:05:30Speaker 02

  Right. But I don't think Epstein was high up in the Israeli decision-making process.

• 1:05:34Speaker 03

  Oh, but they're, I think they're just looking for financial records of things, and those are all missing. People's names, interesting names pop up.

• 1:05:43Speaker 02

  You know, if I, if I found out Muhammad Atta was a pedophile, I might actually start to dislike that guy.

• 1:05:50Speaker 02

  That would really change my opinion of him.

• 1:05:52Joe Rogan?

  Epstein files surrounding 9/11.

• 1:05:53Speaker 02

  Wow, coincidence. Oh, this just came out.

• 1:05:57Speaker 03

  Yes, I mean, people are still digging into stuff every day.

• 1:05:59Speaker 02

  Holy crap.

• 1:06:00Speaker 03

  Why people keep finding new shit all the time.

• 1:06:01Speaker 02

  Oh, my god. Scroll down. This is fascinating.

• 1:06:03Joe Rogan?

  That fucking cryptic George W. Bush photograph.

• 1:06:07Speaker 02

  The Clinton one's worse.

• 1:06:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the dress. We have that outside.

• 1:06:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, I saw, yeah.

• 1:06:11Speaker 03

  They stumbled across something where there was redacted photos. If you looked through the files and typed in something like, "No photos rendered."

• 1:06:18Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:06:19Speaker 03

  You could change the .pdf to .mp4 or .mov.

• 1:06:22Joe Rogan?

  There's thousands of videos.

• 1:06:23Speaker 03

  Tons of videos were popping up.

• 1:06:24Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:06:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:25Speaker 03

  People are starting to watch all those videos. Some of them are from the prisons, some of them are from the island.

• 1:06:28Speaker 02

  Flight logs starting, okay.

• 1:06:30Joe Rogan?

  Have they found anything in those videos?

• 1:06:32Speaker 03

  I, that's.

• 1:06:33Joe Rogan?

  You gotta go through them individually, right?

• 1:06:35Speaker 03

  People are now, that's, I don't, again, the accuracy, I don't know. I've seen a video where someone said this was from the video and there's like a girl crying in it, but I don't know.

• 1:06:42Joe Rogan?

  Adderall and autism, do your job. Find those videos.

• 1:06:48Speaker 02

  That should be the subtitle of this show. The drug and experience, Adderall and Autism, Do Your Job. Holy crap. That's hilarious.

• 1:06:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my god. What a world we're living in.

• 1:06:58Speaker 02

  You want to talk about, I want to talk about Scott Adams.

• 1:07:00Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 1:07:01Speaker 02

  I was just at his memorial. Are you, was he ever on your show?

• 1:07:04Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:07:05Speaker 02

  I got invited to speak and it was really a great experience. I got a, because I'm a mental patient, I got a Dilbert mask. And the thing with the Dilbert mask is there's no mouth, right? So, Dr. Drew was supposed to speak and I was gonna go there and do my little terrorism where I was gonna have my little phone and say, "Nice to meet you, I'm Dilbert and wave," and then swipe and be like, you know, "Can you take off your glasses, please?" And he takes off his glasses and be like, "Nice eyes, my eye, I'm going to take them," and just fuck with people at the funeral, like Scott would have wanted. It was really great because it was very upbeat. And I was kind of honored, Gutfeld asked me to, Gutfeld texted me, he goes, "Hey, do you want to speak?" And I go, "It'd be a huge honor," and he just goes, "Great."

• 1:07:49Speaker 02

  And I'm like, "Am I actually speaking or are you just, you know, quizzing me?" I got to see Cernovich was there, Posobiec, a few other people, and then afterwards went to his house. And there's something really kind of, um... Eerie about walking into the house of someone who had just passed. His ex-wife Sherri let me take two of his markers, which I will always treasure and kind of hang in my house. There were two lines I couldn't say at the memorial because I knew the fans would get salty, which is Scott is in heaven right now, doing what he loved most, avoiding black people. And the reason Dilbert was a black white comic strip is because Scott didn't really like the collards. Right, because Scott was a humorist, just go for the joke.

• 1:08:31Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:08:32Speaker 02

  But I mean, it's weird how much he still resonates, I think, with people. And I don't really have anything else particularly to say, but I just felt it was important to commemorate his passing because he's really helped me out a lot in my thinking.

• 1:08:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's a real bummer, man, because it happened so quickly. His cancer, he got turbo cancer.

• 1:08:59Speaker 02

  Well, he had it in January 2025. And he said, I'm gonna wait for my stepdaughter to get married. And she was there and I got to meet her, she was a lovely kid, to get married and then I'm gonna do it. And then he tweeted something out, RFK jumped in, Trump jumped in. They got him this medicine and they got him a few more months. And so he got six more months. Point being, with the made stuff, just because someone's terminal doesn't mean they don't have months left. You could do a lot in those months. It was funny, there's another cartoonist, I apologize and I'm blanking his name. And he was friends with Scott for a long time. Scott had promoted his work once and he went from obscurity to a big name. And Scott asked him, hey, can you write the foreword to my forthcoming biography? And the guy's like, I'm not really gonna have time.

• 1:09:44Speaker 02

  So Scott was that kind of person where he's just like, just because I'm about to meet my maker, I don't want you to be morose. His book, Reframe Your Brain, is a complete masterpiece. Because what he does is he goes through mindsets and instantly recalibrates them. One of them is, the regular framework is, I should do great at my job. And his reframe is, My job is to prepare for a better job. And when you think about it that way, having that shitty job isn't that rough? Because you're just laying the groundwork for something better. So when I spoke, I said, the framework is, we're having a memorial for Scott. But the reframe is, we're having a party and Scott's really late. Right? So if you think about that terms, hey, we're having fun. Where's this asshole?

• 1:10:30Speaker 02

  Because he didn't want us to be there like moping. He won't, he always was positive, always was fun, even during that day. So I thought, I just owe him a lot.

• 1:10:40Joe Rogan?

  Did he blame his death on the COVID shots?

• 1:10:43Speaker 02

  So he got a lot. This really bothered me because he'd be tweeting that stuff, people like, shouldn't have got the shot. It's like, this guy's about to die. Like, this is your gotcha moment. This is your like, I told you so moment. It's just. So he did not blame it. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the. You saw what just happened. I met James Vanderbeek through you. I met him at the mothership in the green room. Forty-eight, six kids. The wife seemed very sweet and charming, too. He was just a good. Seemed like a real chill dude. I haven't seen one person.

• 1:11:13Joe Rogan?

  He seemed like a super nice guy.

• 1:11:14Speaker 02

  Not one person's anything bad to say about him, which says a lot from that kind of era.

• 1:11:17Joe Rogan?

  No, he was a sweetheart.

• 1:11:18Speaker 02

  So forty-eight, man, that's scary.

• 1:11:21Joe Rogan?

  I know. And it's, there's an unprecedented number of young people that are dying of cancer. In fact, was it Time Magazine that had a cover of it? I saved it because it was kind of, the cover's kind of crazy. Because it's proposing like what is causing these things and why is this all happening, as if no one knows.

• 1:11:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, right. Like, what could it be?

• 1:11:39Joe Rogan?

  What is this? Some fucking mystery. Could be anything. You know, I know I saved it.

• 1:11:47Joe Rogan?

  Ways to explain why more young adults are getting cancer.

• 1:11:50Speaker 02

  Holy crap.

• 1:11:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. What do you think it could be? Anything weird happen? Do you guys know what SV40 is? Should probably look it up.

• 1:11:59Speaker 02

  What's amazing about articles, like, do they, does that article make it a point to, do they ignore the vaccine? So-called vaccine? Or do they downplay it as the cause? Like, those are the two options.

• 1:12:08Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:12:10Joe Rogan?

  What do they say in that article? Do they bring up?

• 1:12:14Joe Rogan?

  Love to hear that.

• 1:12:15Speaker 02

  Couldn't possibly be.

• 1:12:18Speaker 02

  Do you know what really fucked me up recently? And you're gonna laugh in my face, and every Maha person listening, this is gonna laugh in my face.

• 1:12:24Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:12:24Speaker 02

  And you can feel free to laugh in my face because it's covered in polka dots. Aspartame.

• 1:12:31Speaker 02

  I would drink, my main method of hydration was Dr. Pepper Zero.

• 1:12:38Speaker 02

  It's warranted. I know. This is why I have the polka dots. And I go to New York and I'm low on calories for my macros. And I switched to full sugar Dr. Pepper, so it wasn't the caffeine. And my thinking changed. And I'm like, this is, and I go online, this has been known for, since the eight-

• 1:12:55Joe Rogan?

  Thinking changed household.

• 1:12:56Speaker 02

  I was quicker on my feet. I was having trouble remembering words, remembering names, remembering just being, my verbal cognitive speed of how I speak is something that is part of my job. And I was having issues with that. I have the workarounds, but I couldn't think of someone's name or someone's word. Or I was having this also, there you go.

• 1:13:15Joe Rogan?

  Research has linked high consumption of aspartame to impaired memory, spatial learning deficits and faster cognitive decline. In adults under 60.

• 1:13:24Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:13:25Joe Rogan?

  Neuroinflammation, oxidative stress. Aspartame metabolize, metabolites could trigger chronic microglial activation and increased oxidative stress in the brain, leading to neuronal damage and potential neurodegeneration. You know who pushed that through, right?

• 1:13:43Speaker 02

  Who?

• 1:13:44Joe Rogan?

  Aspartame? Rumsfeld.

• 1:13:46Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:13:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Search that.

• 1:13:49Speaker 02

  So here's the thing-

• 1:13:50Joe Rogan?

  Throw that into perplexity.

• 1:13:51Speaker 02

  If you're, if you're listening to this and you're someone like me who was living on it, just try for two days, right?

• 1:13:57Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:13:58Speaker 02

  And you'll know right away if, because I also had this low key anxiety all the time. Like, it was like a one out of 10, but it was there. I thought, okay, it's just whatever. I thought it's just life. Nope, it's gone.

• 1:14:08Joe Rogan?

  Donald Rumsfeld, CEO of GD Cereal in the late 1970s, early 80s, played a pivotal role, the FDA approval of aspartame, the artificial sweetener in products like NutraSweet.

• 1:14:18Speaker 02

  Holy crap.

• 1:14:19Joe Rogan?

  So they, there was studies back then showing approval due to potential carcinogenic, carcinogenicity risks. Haze approved aspartame for dry food shortly after, expanding it to beverages by 1983. What would, there was studies on, I think there was rat studies or something.

• 1:14:42Speaker 02

  And he gave him like Alzheimer's.

• 1:14:45Joe Rogan?

  Uh, well.

• 1:14:47Speaker 02

  So, I'm just warning people as much as I can. Pretend I'm a quack, that's fine. Just give it two days.

• 1:14:53Joe Rogan?

  Lay off aspartame.

• 1:14:54Speaker 02

  And see what happens to you.

• 1:14:56Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:14:58Joe Rogan?

  Well, it makes sense. I mean, there's no biological free lunch. If you get something and it does something positive, it's probably doing something negative. If it's some novel potion that you're pouring into your body, there's probably some negative aspect of it.

• 1:15:14Speaker 02

  I was talking to Dr. Mike about this, about Ozempic and all those.

• 1:15:19Joe Rogan?

  Brain tumors in rats.

• 1:15:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:21Joe Rogan?

  Led FDA to stay aspartame 74 approval. Brain tumor, fucking rats, man. Highlighted high brain tumor incidence in rat feeding studies and risks from phenylalanine causing convulsions or mental retardation. Isn't that what they think killed Tammy Faye Baker? Didn't she drink like a fucking gallon of Diet Coke a day?

• 1:15:40Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:15:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, find that. I think, I think that's what a lot of people, because Tammy Faye Baker, I think died of brain cancer. Colon cancer? Okay. What's that?

• 1:15:53Speaker 02

  Oh, that's awful.

• 1:15:54Joe Rogan?

  Went from her colon to her lungs.

• 1:15:55Speaker 02

  That's, what is she doing, ass to mouth stuff?

• 1:15:59Speaker 02

  She should call Kristen Sinema.

• 1:16:01Joe Rogan?

  I don't think it's contagious like that.

• 1:16:02Speaker 02

  She should call Kristen Sinema. There are some weird orgies down there. Fuck.

• 1:16:07Joe Rogan?

  But wasn't she like a prolific Diet Coke drinker?

• 1:16:12Joe Rogan?

  I think she was. I think people were trying to link it. Look, it can't be good for you.

• 1:16:18Speaker 02

  Well, I, I-

• 1:16:19Joe Rogan?

  Tastes like sugar, it's not sugar, it can't be good for you.

• 1:16:21Speaker 02

  It did a number on me and I'm happy to be able to warn people. It scared the fuck out of me when it, when it arrived.

• 1:16:27Joe Rogan?

  I like stevia. Like, I like these drinks called Zevias. They're stevia drinks and zero calories, taste good.

• 1:16:35Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:16:36Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't quite taste like sugar, but it tastes good enough.

• 1:16:38Speaker 02

  I'm just thinking of my water and my full sugar sodas.

• 1:16:41Joe Rogan?

  But my daughter's like really good at reading labels and finding, and she'll like, you're only supposed to drink one of those a day.

• 1:16:46Speaker 02

  I-

• 1:16:47Joe Rogan?

  I was like, are you sure?

• 1:16:47Speaker 02

  I was eating a protein bar this, this morning, or getting my face did, and I just look at the label and one of the ingredients I see is titanium dioxide. I'm like, do I really?

• 1:16:56Joe Rogan?

  Titanium, interesting.

• 1:16:58Speaker 02

  Like what?

• 1:16:59Joe Rogan?

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• 1:18:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, so that's in me now.

• 1:18:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's other protein bars. You don't have to eat that shit.

• 1:18:44Speaker 02

  I think they all have that.

• 1:18:45Joe Rogan?

  No, I eat carnivore bars. You ever had carnivore bars?

• 1:18:48Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:18:48Joe Rogan?

  It's just like fat and meat.

• 1:18:50Speaker 02

  I use MRE Lite is the brand I use.

• 1:18:52Joe Rogan?

  Carnivore bars are great. They, they, they just taste like, like you're eating fat. Fat and meat.

• 1:18:58Speaker 02

  Like, okay, but is that all the ingredients there?

• 1:19:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't think there's anything bad in them at all. I think it's like, pull that company up, carnivore bars.

• 1:19:10Speaker 02

  I'm happy to switch.

• 1:19:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think it's pretty natural. I don't, I don't think there's anything in there.

• 1:19:15Speaker 02

  This gotta have a lot of salt or sodium.

• 1:19:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's some salt in there, but salt's not bad for you. That's all horse shit.

• 1:19:20Speaker 02

  Well, I, I, like when you're eating TV dinners and those numbers, that's not bad.

• 1:19:24Joe Rogan?

  That's different. TV dinners are filled with preservatives. Oh, carnivore snacks is great. This is, no, well, this is something that I eat all the time. This is my go-to snack. When I go to the UFC, that's the stuff I bring.

• 1:19:36Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:19:37Joe Rogan?

  I bring that and I.

• 1:19:38Speaker 02

  Well, you bring it, they don't have it for you?

• 1:19:39Joe Rogan?

  No, I bring it. I bring it because I.

• 1:19:41Speaker 02

  Dana, get this.

• 1:19:42Joe Rogan?

  I work with this company, so they send me a bunch of it. It's fucking great. That, but the carnivore bar, so this stuff.

• 1:19:48Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:19:48Joe Rogan?

  Purist meal on earth, two ingredients. 20 grams of protein, 35 gram animal-based fat, 400 to 420 calories from grass-finished beef, shelf-stable, no refrigeration. That's what I eat.

• 1:20:02Speaker 02

  Okay, send it to me. Send me some, guys.

• 1:20:03Joe Rogan?

  I have some. They'll send you some.

• 1:20:05Speaker 02

  Tell ya.

• 1:20:05Joe Rogan?

  If I had some here, I give, I eat those all the time. I take them with me, I throw them in my car. It's fucking great. If you want to eat something.

• 1:20:12Speaker 02

  That is what I need.

• 1:20:12Joe Rogan?

  It's protein. It's got grass-finished beef tallow, so you get the fat from grief t- some people don't like the, the taste of it. I like it.

• 1:20:19Speaker 02

  Why do they, I'd like.

• 1:20:20Joe Rogan?

  It's kind of mild or bland.

• 1:20:22Speaker 02

  That's fine, though. You're eating it for macros.

• 1:20:24Joe Rogan?

  I'm just trying to get food.

• 1:20:25Speaker 02

  Right, yeah, nutrition.

• 1:20:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it doesn't make me feel bad at all. It feels like food. Like, I've tried some other stuff, like, I tried those David bars. Oh, my god, the.

• 1:20:34Speaker 02

  I never heard of them.

• 1:20:34Joe Rogan?

  Farts I was having. So, David bars, they have some weird, uh, fat in it that your body doesn't digest.

• 1:20:43Speaker 02

  Like those Olean chips?

• 1:20:45Joe Rogan?

  Something like that, but a new version of it. And so, when this company, uh, when they were purchased, they got a monopoly on that kind of, this, whatever this ingredient is, and all these other companies, they blocked it. These companies that were using it, they couldn't use it anymore. So, a lot of people were like boycotting David bars. They taste good, and they have like a lot of protein. I think it's like 30 protein for like 150 calories. But, good lord, the farts I was having. I was like, this is, because your body's like, what is this?

• 1:21:16Speaker 02

  I had that same thing with protein Cheerios.

• 1:21:19Joe Rogan?

  Protein Cheerios.

• 1:21:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, it wasn't farts. I was having the trots.

• 1:21:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 1:21:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, where your body's like, hey! Fuck are you doing?

• 1:21:27Speaker 02

  Just eat, just eat some meat.

• 1:21:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but eat something like carnivore bars or those carnivore snacks are delicious. It's just beef and salt. That's all those carnivore bar, those snacks are. It's like a beef pastry.

• 1:21:40Speaker 02

  Good.

• 1:21:41Joe Rogan?

  It's not even like jerky. It's chewy. It's delicious. So this is a fat sub, lab engineered fat substitute called EPG, manufactured by a little known Indianapolis based company called Epigee. After tinkering with the product formulation, the Fugles set up a website in 2024 and began promoting the bars at local bodybuilding shows and farmers markets.

• 1:22:01Speaker 03

  It's just an article about the...

• 1:22:02Joe Rogan?

  Right, so what does it say that stuff does?

• 1:22:07Joe Rogan?

  So find out what that stuff does.

• 1:22:09Speaker 02

  It's a fat substitute, yeah.

• 1:22:10Joe Rogan?

  But it does something where your body doesn't digest the fat? Like it doesn't turn into calories or something?

• 1:22:17Speaker 02

  Well, this is promoting them. This is making it sound great.

• 1:22:18Speaker 03

  There's 58 other mentions of EPG in here.

• 1:22:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, this is making it sound like, oh, they're the, it's the best thing ever. They're not mentioning the farts.

• 1:22:24Joe Rogan?

  Well, yeah, this is probably promoting it.

• 1:22:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, it is, yeah.

• 1:22:27Speaker 03

  Oh, no, this is about the lawsuit.

• 1:22:28Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:22:28Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 1:22:29Speaker 02

  Oh, it is Olestra, like we said, yeah.

• 1:22:30Joe Rogan?

  It's essentially a better Olestra. At the time, fat was the big culprit for heart disease, which it's not. Undigestible, Olestra was undigestible. That was its key attribute. It passed right through the digestive tract, therefore wouldn't result in body fat. The problem was its low melting point in the body, which led to an infamously polite phrase printed on the wow labels may cause abdominal cramping and loose stools.

• 1:22:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, people were shitting themselves.

• 1:22:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:58Speaker 03

  It was in those Pringles or something, I think.

• 1:23:00Joe Rogan?

  Well, this stuff didn't give me loose stools, but it did, did give me like the devil was farting out of my asshole.

• 1:23:05Speaker 02

  But I gotta tell you, it's not sometimes fun.

• 1:23:08Joe Rogan?

  Farts?

• 1:23:09Speaker 02

  Yeah. Like when you have a fart that sounds like a symphony? Like when you're old and you start having new farts, I kinda like it. I'm just like, I still got it.

• 1:23:17Joe Rogan?

  Well, this was just like, for me, it was a warning sign. My body was like, hey, this ain't, this ain't good.

• 1:23:22Speaker 02

  I think it's a warning sign for other people too, Joe.

• 1:23:24Joe Rogan?

  Um, yeah, right. Anybody else can hear me. So what is the problem with that stuff?

• 1:23:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm gonna look.

• 1:23:30Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:23:31Speaker 02

  Oof.

• 1:23:34Joe Rogan?

  And problems?

• 1:23:39Joe Rogan?

  So that was the thing that they were trying to block other people from using it.

• 1:23:44Speaker 02

  Bloating, gas and diarrhea, yeah.

• 1:23:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, bloating, gas and diarrhea due to sugar, alcohol.

• 1:23:49Speaker 02

  Laxative effect, wow.

• 1:23:50Joe Rogan?

  And the non-digestible fat substitute, that's it. Uh, which are poorly absorbed and can have a laxative effect, especially in larger amounts. The company recommending limiting intake to two bars daily to minimize discomfort.

• 1:24:03Speaker 02

  Wait, wait, can we stop talking about this? I love that they say minimize, not eliminate. There's no food where you're like, you know, if you eat too much of this, you're gonna definitely have discomfort.

• 1:24:12Joe Rogan?

  Who's eating two of these fucking things a day?

• 1:24:15Speaker 02

  I'm sure people.

• 1:24:16Joe Rogan?

  I know, but I mean, like after the farts, wouldn't you be like, hey?

• 1:24:19Speaker 02

  And, but it's not only the farts, it's the distension.

• 1:24:21Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, the inflammation.

• 1:24:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, you have that bloated feeling.

• 1:24:25Joe Rogan?

  For some people, what, but you know, why they would choose something like this is they want all that protein with 150 calories and they'll just take the farts.

• 1:24:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, I mean, look at Whey. Whey's not digestible. That's the standard protein for bodybuilders.

• 1:24:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it doesn't bother me.

• 1:24:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, but a lot of people, Whey is not easy to break down.

• 1:24:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I have zero problem with Whey.

• 1:24:44Speaker 02

  I can't do Whey.

• 1:24:44Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:24:45Speaker 02

  I was getting brain fog.

• 1:24:46Joe Rogan?

  From Whey?

• 1:24:47Speaker 02

  A little bit, yeah.

• 1:24:48Joe Rogan?

  Huh.

• 1:24:49Speaker 02

  Maybe I'm, something's wrong with my brain and I don't know all these things.

• 1:24:51Joe Rogan?

  Well, you might have like a, like some sort of a, you know, a milk allergy or something. That's possible.

• 1:24:57Speaker 02

  Who the hell knows, but the point is I switched to the whole meat protein and that's much easier for me.

• 1:25:02Joe Rogan?

  Something like carnivore snacks or those carnivore bars, that's the solution. Get those. And that way you're, you don't have to even think, it's just food. And your body treats it like food, it feels like food when you eat it, it doesn't feel like.

• 1:25:14Speaker 02

  It's just hard for me to get enough calories in a day for what I need.

• 1:25:17Joe Rogan?

  What are you trying to do?

• 1:25:18Speaker 02

  I'm doing lean gains.

• 1:25:20Joe Rogan?

  Lean gains?

• 1:25:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:21Joe Rogan?

  What does that mean?

• 1:25:22Speaker 02

  So you're keeping the same body fat, but you're slowly putting on weight. So it's really a tight rope.

• 1:25:26Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so you're in, you're involved in that again. I know you bailed on bodybuilding type activities.

• 1:25:31Speaker 02

  Well, no, I still go to the gym.

• 1:25:33Joe Rogan?

  But you're trying to get jacked?

• 1:25:34Speaker 02

  I think I'm in good shape.

• 1:25:36Joe Rogan?

  But you're trying to get jacked?

• 1:25:37Speaker 02

  I don't know, okay.

• 1:25:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I don't know why you're doing that. I didn't do that.

• 1:25:41Speaker 02

  What do you mean?

• 1:25:41Joe Rogan?

  I'm just asking, are you trying to get jacked?

• 1:25:43Speaker 02

  I, I, okay, that seems like a kind of question that you cornering me in the gym would be saying.

• 1:25:48Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, no, no, it's a normal thing for people that are trying to get swole. You're trying to get like big muscles.

• 1:25:54Speaker 02

  I am trying to put on as much mass as I can while maintaining a somewhat lean build.

• 1:26:02Joe Rogan?

  What are you doing, like, as far as your workouts?

• 1:26:04Speaker 02

  I go to gym four days a week.

• 1:26:06Joe Rogan?

  What are you doing with your workout? What kind of workouts?

• 1:26:08Speaker 02

  I do a bro split. Don't make fun of me.

• 1:26:10Joe Rogan?

  No, there's nothing wrong with a bro split.

• 1:26:11Speaker 02

  There is a bros- there's nothing wrong.

• 1:26:13Joe Rogan?

  Nothing wrong with it. Works.

• 1:26:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I'm not doing legs. Because my legs are already too big for my jeans.

• 1:26:18Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:26:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:19Joe Rogan?

  Get stretchy jeans.

• 1:26:21Speaker 02

  I have thirty pairs of jeans. I don't need to get more jeans. Point being, my legs-

• 1:26:25Joe Rogan?

  But do you have regular jeans that are made out of cotton? Or do you get jeans that have flex in them?

• 1:26:29Speaker 02

  I have thirty pairs, so there's a mix. But point being, my legs are great. I'm Russian. Russians have great leg DNA.

• 1:26:35Joe Rogan?

  So you don't work out your legs at all? You're gonna get an imbalance.

• 1:26:38Speaker 02

  How?

• 1:26:38Joe Rogan?

  Also, if you work out your legs, your whole body will grow.

• 1:26:41Speaker 02

  I- I- that's true. And you'll put up more pounds on the scale. But point being, I'm already at the point marginal with most of my jeans. And it- and they're not-

• 1:26:51Joe Rogan?

  That's so silly.

• 1:26:51Speaker 02

  They're not skinny jeans.

• 1:26:52Joe Rogan?

  Let me see your legs.

• 1:26:53Speaker 02

  I'll sh- you want- I'll- how am I gonna show you my legs?

• 1:26:55Joe Rogan?

  Just stand up. Let me see your legs and your jeans. Those are not too big. That is ridiculous.

• 1:27:01Speaker 02

  No, no, no, I don't need to be- no, no, no, no, no. Hold on. I will- I will send you a photo of my legs and you're gonna apologize. My legs are great.

• 1:27:09Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:27:09Speaker 02

  They're not chicken legs.

• 1:27:11Joe Rogan?

  I believe you. They don't look like chicken legs.

• 1:27:13Speaker 02

  They're not chicken legs.

• 1:27:13Joe Rogan?

  But I don't think you should be concerned about them getting bigger. First of all, it takes a lot to get your legs much larger. It takes a lot. Like, you're gonna have to really push past, like, some severe discomfort.

• 1:27:23Speaker 02

  I- I'm not disputing that. But point is, they're already marginal with my clothes. And I think the-

• 1:27:29Joe Rogan?

  You got new clothes. You've got money. Listen, you gotta balance- You gotta keep your body balanced. Like, that's why you should do legs. Like, you should never just do upper body.

• 1:27:38Speaker 02

  Joe, I am nowhere at the point where my upper body is too big for my legs.

• 1:27:42Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's not that. You should condition both of them together.

• 1:27:45Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:27:45Joe Rogan?

  It's like, you wanna have a body that works together.

• 1:27:48Speaker 02

  My body is fine. I'm not gonna be body shamed on this show.

• 1:27:52Joe Rogan?

  I'm not body shaming. I'm talking about functional.

• 1:27:54Speaker 02

  What function? Going up the stairs?

• 1:27:56Joe Rogan?

  Anything you have to do. If you have to pick something up and move it.

• 1:27:59Speaker 02

  I can do that.

• 1:27:59Joe Rogan?

  If you're not working your legs, then all that stuff in your hips, all that stuff, all the surrounding tissue, all that stuff is not getting the exercise it deserves while you're working out your upper body.

• 1:28:10Speaker 02

  Fine. Point being, my legs are perfectly fine and strong. And it was hard for me to get the calories I need. That's all I'm saying here.

• 1:28:18Joe Rogan?

  So, um, how many calories? What are you trying to do a day?

• 1:28:21Speaker 02

  I- I think it's like thirty-two hundred.

• 1:28:23Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:28:23Speaker 02

  Which is not nothing.

• 1:28:25Joe Rogan?

  That's a good meal for me.

• 1:28:27Speaker 02

  That's a lot of calories.

• 1:28:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I guess.

• 1:28:30Speaker 02

  What do you mean? You don't think that's a lot?

• 1:28:31Joe Rogan?

  I eat a lot.

• 1:28:32Speaker 02

  If you're eating clean, thirty-two hundred's a lot.

• 1:28:34Joe Rogan?

  Okay. Yeah, I guess. Yeah, so thirty-two hundred calories, so, but you're trying to stay lean. And are you on testosterone replacement or anything like that?

• 1:28:45Speaker 02

  I don't know what you're talking about.

• 1:28:47Joe Rogan?

  Okay, you are. Good. That's good. Peptides? Any peptides?

• 1:28:52Speaker 02

  You know what I tried?

• 1:28:53Joe Rogan?

  Yes, okay, good.

• 1:28:55Speaker 02

  I tried GLOW.

• 1:28:56Joe Rogan?

  What's GLOW?

• 1:28:58Speaker 02

  Oh, well, well, well, Mr. Doesn't Skip Leg Day. And he doesn't have polka dots on his face. Someone does. You call yourself a bro and you don't have polka dots on your face. GLOW is this new peptide. It's a combination of three things. And it's called GLOW because it has heavy copper, so it's blue.

• 1:29:19Joe Rogan?

  GLOW, huh.

• 1:29:21Speaker 02

  You're welcome.

• 1:29:23Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, interesting. Most people combine BBC 157, TB 500, and GHKCU without addressing sequencing or inflammation first. Here's what determines whether GLOW truly works. Interesting. Oh, okay, so it's a combination of all those things together. Interesting.

• 1:29:43Speaker 02

  Because I pulled my shoulder pretty bad.

• 1:29:45Joe Rogan?

  With your heavy lifting?

• 1:29:47Speaker 02

  It wasn't. I don't think it was heavy. It's just probably, I don't know what happened.

• 1:29:50Joe Rogan?

  You don't lift heavy?

• 1:29:51Speaker 02

  I lift somewhat heavy, but not enough. I'm not going to lift heavy enough to provoke injury.

• 1:29:56Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:29:56Speaker 02

  I think that's, that's kind of foolish, especially at my age.

• 1:29:58Joe Rogan?

  It is, but if you want to gain weight.

• 1:30:00Speaker 02

  But I'm gaining weight.

• 1:30:01Joe Rogan?

  What kind of, you're not doing bench or anything, are you? You do bench press?

• 1:30:05Speaker 02

  Why, why wouldn't I do bench press?

• 1:30:06Joe Rogan?

  Why wouldn't you?

• 1:30:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:07Joe Rogan?

  Because it's terrible for your shoulders.

• 1:30:08Speaker 02

  Well, I do dumbbell bench.

• 1:30:11Joe Rogan?

  That's slightly better for your shoulders?

• 1:30:12Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:30:13Joe Rogan?

  But that activity of having a lot of weight down here.

• 1:30:16Speaker 02

  I'm only putting up seventies. That's not that much.

• 1:30:18Joe Rogan?

  It's a lot for you.

• 1:30:18Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:30:19Joe Rogan?

  When you, all that weight back here, when you're right here, it puts tremendous strain on your body.

• 1:30:25Speaker 02

  So what should I do for, for pecs?

• 1:30:26Joe Rogan?

  You could do dips. Dips are fantastic for it. You know, don't go past ninety degrees. You can, once you condition your shoulders to like be able to do it. But dips are good. Weighted dips are really good. There's stuff that you could do, like just kettlebells. Well, I don't do any chest exercises other than dips.

• 1:30:44Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:30:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I do a lot of kettlebells. Most of my exercises are full-body motion stuff. Yeah, almost everything. I do a lot of snatches. A lot of cleans, a lot of like alternating cleans, a lot of renegade rows. Everything I do is kettlebells.

• 1:31:02Speaker 02

  All I do is I know someone who's really knows this stuff and I follow orders.

• 1:31:07Joe Rogan?

  That's good too. That's good too. My concern is always functional movement. My concern is always I want my body to work as one unit. I don't like isolating things.

• 1:31:17Speaker 02

  I think I do a lot of compounds like incline dumbbell. Incline bench is one example. Or I don't even remember what the other kind of stuff.

• 1:31:24Joe Rogan?

  But if you have shoulder problems and you're benching, there's a lot of people I know that just have a completely eliminated benching.

• 1:31:30Speaker 02

  Is that right?

• 1:31:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:31Speaker 02

  Huh.

• 1:31:32Joe Rogan?

  Especially heavy benching.

• 1:31:33Speaker 02

  It only resolved this week, thank God.

• 1:31:35Joe Rogan?

  But you know what? It won't like if you're doing kettlebells, that's the weird thing about kettlebells. It increases the strength of all your activities. They found that people that do snatches, it increased their VO2 max and it increased their ability to do chin ups.

• 1:31:50Speaker 02

  I did, used to do kettlebells some, I had one of the lifts in my workout and I pulled out my back once, something so fierce. It was a temporary, like almost like a cramp, but it was very, very scary.

• 1:32:01Joe Rogan?

  Do you remember what the exercise was?

• 1:32:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was doing the, when you're bending over, you swing it over your head.

• 1:32:05Joe Rogan?

  Snatch.

• 1:32:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah, well, the key to that is warmups. Do you warm up a lot?

• 1:32:10Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:32:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh shoot.

• 1:32:11Speaker 02

  No, I do warmups with the, with the weights. Like I'll, my first set will be 40% of my working set.

• 1:32:16Joe Rogan?

  What I would recommend is you gotta, especially as you get older, you really have to warm your body up. And one of the things that I do is I always do 10 minutes on the air dyn bike, get everything like slightly sweaty, then I do a lot of jump rope. I get everything fired up and then I do a lot of mobility exercises. I do like body twists. I do these things like you wave, I get down to the bottom and I wave all the way up and I bend backwards and I go forward. I do a lot of twists. I get everything loose. And then I start with pushups and bodyweight squats. I do 100 pushups, 100 bodyweight squats and that's my warmup. So all that stuff, by the time I've done with all that stuff, now everything's warm and now I can start working.

• 1:32:57Speaker 02

  How many days a week do you lift or work out?

• 1:32:59Joe Rogan?

  Well, I work out almost every day.

• 1:33:00Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 1:33:01Joe Rogan?

  Occasionally I'll take a day off, but I work out almost every day. And then with lifting, it's almost every day. It depends on what I'm doing. If I'm hitting the bag, generally I don't, I don't lift weights the days I hit the bag. So that's like maybe two or three days a week. Um, so the other two days a week, it I alternate between stuff like body weight stuff, like pull-ups, chin-ups, dips, uh, I do, uh, L pull-ups where, you know, you, uh, stick your legs out straight.

• 1:33:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:33:31Joe Rogan?

  So you're working your abs at the same time you're doing that. I do, uh, a bunch of different things, lower back stuff, a lot of back extensions, reverse hyper stuff, sit-ups on that GHB machine where you're going all the way down and, yeah.

• 1:33:47Speaker 02

  I'm just happy with the results and I'm of the, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

• 1:33:52Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:33:52Speaker 02

  Uh, mindset.

• 1:33:53Joe Rogan?

  That's good.

• 1:33:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:33:54Joe Rogan?

  As long as you're happy with the results. I would just avoid a lot of heavy lifting with, uh, bench press. I think bench press is, uh, so many people I know that have fucked their shoulders up, fucked their shoulders up through bench press. And I know a lot of bros are gonna get angry.

• 1:34:08Speaker 02

  I know, that's what I'm waiting for. It's, oh my god.

• 1:34:10Joe Rogan?

  How much do you bench, bro?

• 1:34:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:34:12Joe Rogan?

  But here's the thing, like, we did this Sober October thing where, uh, you know, we had the, these, these stupid fitness challenges and then after Sober October's over, we all got drunk. And so then we went out to my gym and, uh, Ari, Tom, and Bert were all trying to bench two twenty-five and I don't bench at all and I did it thirteen times. Like, I, I don't bench and I just.

• 1:34:36Speaker 02

  Ari could pull up two plates?

• 1:34:37Joe Rogan?

  No, he couldn't do it.

• 1:34:38Speaker 02

  Okay, that was just.

• 1:34:38Joe Rogan?

  No, they all got pinned.

• 1:34:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, two twenty-five's no joke.

• 1:34:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Bert can do it now, but back then he wasn't lifting.

• 1:34:44Speaker 02

  You can't casually do two plates.

• 1:34:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:47Speaker 02

  No one can.

• 1:34:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but I did without ever benching.

• 1:34:50Speaker 02

  No, but I mean, like, you're someone who works Saturday. So like, if you're, if you're casual, there's no way you're putting in two plates.

• 1:34:54Joe Rogan?

  They all got crushed.

• 1:34:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, of course. Wait, they thought they could do it?

• 1:34:57Joe Rogan?

  Bert did. Bert definitely did.

• 1:34:59Speaker 02

  But Bert's heavy, right? How much is Bert weight? He's like two fifty, probably.

• 1:35:01Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Bert's like two fifty, yeah, for sure. Tom was bigger at the time, too.

• 1:35:04Speaker 02

  That, that, I, okay, was, I mean, he must've just collapsed. There was no.

• 1:35:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they got, they got crushed. But the point is, it's like, doing kettlebells will help all those other things.

• 1:35:14Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 1:35:15Joe Rogan?

  Cause it just, your whole body gets strong and it's not an unusual motion to do that, you know, you could do it.

• 1:35:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, I just, I, I like the weights.

• 1:35:26Joe Rogan?

  No, weights are great. There's nothing wrong with weights. I just would be careful about benching. Even dumb, I think dumbbell benching is probably better than barbell benching. And I just think there's other ways to work your chest.

• 1:35:38Speaker 02

  Okay, I'll talk to Monster Russ. That's my guy.

• 1:35:42Joe Rogan?

  And there's a lot of people that don't even agree with dips. Like my, my orthopedic surgeon that told me that I need to get my shoulder operated on 15 years ago, and I never did. He was like, gotta stop doing dips. I go, why?

• 1:35:54Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:35:54Joe Rogan?

  He goes, everybody I know that fucked their shoulder up did it through dips. I go, well, that doesn't mean anything.

• 1:35:58Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:35:59Joe Rogan?

  I'm looking at him. I'm looking at him and his body. I'm like, look at your, shut the fuck up.

• 1:36:04Speaker 02

  And look at all these gymnasts. They do dips 24/7.

• 1:36:06Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. Just build up to it. Don't do too much. All of it is like overworking your body. You have to like slow progression is the, the key.

• 1:36:16Speaker 02

  There is something fun about, I do love doing dips because you feel like you're flying. There's something about it when you're just.

• 1:36:23Speaker 02

  What can I say?

• 1:36:24Joe Rogan?

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• 1:37:04Joe Rogan?

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• 1:38:16Speaker 02

  But you're the, okay, we could talk about this also, you're the one, can I tell you what you said to me at the mothership about this?

• 1:38:23Joe Rogan?

  What did I say?

• 1:38:23Speaker 02

  You said, you can't be jacked and be funny.

• 1:38:26Joe Rogan?

  Well, you can, but you can't show it.

• 1:38:29Speaker 02

  That I meant like you, like at a certain point, you're too jacked, there's a cost.

• 1:38:35Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's definitely a cost to the way you look, like you look intimidating and that's not that funny for people.

• 1:38:41Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:38:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:42Speaker 02

  And Roseanne was telling me, or not just when she was starting out, she lost all this weight and people stopped laughing.

• 1:38:47Joe Rogan?

  Ah, there's plenty of skinny funny women.

• 1:38:49Speaker 02

  Not in, not in 1981.

• 1:38:53Speaker 02

  You think, are you calling Roseanne Barr a liar?

• 1:38:54Joe Rogan?

  No, I just don't think that's what it was. I've seen people lose weight and still be hilarious. It's just like, but people, there is a mentality that people have, like Kevin James, his fucking agent said this to him once, I got furious. Kevin was losing weight, he was trying to get in shape, he was really self-conscious about his weight. And his agent said, Kevin, when you lose weight, you're losing roles.

• 1:39:15Speaker 02

  But that's true though, because he's, he's very much a specific character.

• 1:39:18Joe Rogan?

  So what, he could fucking do anything. He's a talented guy. It's not like if he lost the weight, he wouldn't be funny more. That dude's fucking funny.

• 1:39:26Speaker 02

  Hold, hold on, hold on. I'm not disrespecting Kevin James in any way. Mad respect for him. Point, ball cop, the greatest comedy of all time.

• 1:39:34Joe Rogan?

  It's a funny movie.

• 1:39:35Speaker 02

  I, I believe you, I haven't seen it. Point being, he is very much in people's mind, a certain specific thing.

• 1:39:41Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:39:42Speaker 02

  Right, so. If Kevin James stopped being that thing, I think it's gonna be a lot hard for a lot of normies to come over with him to a different paradigm. That's all I'm saying.

• 1:39:51Joe Rogan?

  Perhaps.

• 1:39:52Speaker 02

  Come on.

• 1:39:53Joe Rogan?

  It would be a challenge, but I think he'd still be hilarious. I don't, I do not think that he is limited by his weight.

• 1:39:59Speaker 02

  You don't, okay, if Will Ferrell got like Hugh Jackman, you think he'd have the same roles?

• 1:40:05Joe Rogan?

  He wouldn't necessarily have the same roles. He would still be very funny.

• 1:40:09Speaker 02

  Yes, he would, but you know perfectly well that there's lots of.

• 1:40:12Joe Rogan?

  It would be weird because he would be super jacked. Like if he got The Rock jacked.

• 1:40:16Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:40:17Joe Rogan?

  It would be weird.

• 1:40:18Speaker 02

  People don't know how to deal with that stuff.

• 1:40:20Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:40:21Speaker 02

  So the agent's not wrong.

• 1:40:22Joe Rogan?

  Well, the agent's still not looking out for Kevin's health.

• 1:40:26Speaker 02

  Was, how big, was he that big?

• 1:40:27Joe Rogan?

  He was big. He was big and he didn't like it and he was worried.

• 1:40:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, okay, that's very fair.

• 1:40:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:32Speaker 02

  But you don't have to go from, you could go slimmer. You don't have to go to like, you know, running peptides and stuff.

• 1:40:38Joe Rogan?

  Right. You don't have to get jacked.

• 1:40:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:41Joe Rogan?

  But maybe he wants to. You can. It could be done.

• 1:40:44Speaker 02

  I, I mean, what's that guy who claims he's natty? That Indian guy?

• 1:40:50Speaker 02

  Who was in, I think, The Avengers or something?

• 1:40:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Camille?

• 1:40:53Speaker 02

  Yeah. Was it him?

• 1:40:55Joe Rogan?

  I don't think he claims he's natty. Does he?

• 1:40:57Speaker 02

  They do special.

• 1:40:58Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:40:59Speaker 02

  It's special exercises, Joe.

• 1:41:01Joe Rogan?

  Come on. Does he really, he doesn't even claim he's on testosterone replacement?

• 1:41:06Speaker 02

  Don't you know that if you just do lateral raises?

• 1:41:08Joe Rogan?

  Uh.

• 1:41:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, he claims natty. He has to. They all have to.

• 1:41:13Joe Rogan?

  I don't know if that's real.

• 1:41:14Speaker 02

  Yes, it does. Look him up.

• 1:41:16Joe Rogan?

  He did a very funny bit about people being angry at him for getting in shape.

• 1:41:20Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 1:41:21Joe Rogan?

  He did a funny bit in his stand-up, his recent stand-up special about that. Does he claim that he's natural? That's a weird thing.

• 1:41:28Speaker 02

  The one I'm thinking of is in a stand-up, the one from the movies.

• 1:41:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's a stand-up. He started out as a stand-up.

• 1:41:33Speaker 02

  Oh, good for him, okay.

• 1:41:33Joe Rogan?

  Camille Nanjiani, right? Yeah. Yeah, he started out as a stand-up. Yeah. And he's doing stand-up again and he just released a special.

• 1:41:40Speaker 02

  What's his name? Claims natty too? The Thor. They all do.

• 1:41:43Joe Rogan?

  No, that guy claims daddy?

• 1:41:46Speaker 02

  They have to.

• 1:41:47Joe Rogan?

  Chris Hemsworth?

• 1:41:48Speaker 02

  I think he does.

• 1:41:49Joe Rogan?

  Get the fuck out of here. That guy gained like sixty pounds of solid muscle.

• 1:41:53Speaker 02

  Well, that's because he's doing lateral raises, you fool.

• 1:41:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I didn't know.

• 1:41:56Speaker 02

  And you, what, how do you know? You've never seen him put a needle in his ass. He has, he has personal trainers that teach him his second exercises.

• 1:42:02Joe Rogan?

  You're right. I've been on testosterone replacement for a long time and I highly recommend it to anybody who wants to stay in shape.

• 1:42:08Speaker 02

  How long have you been on it?

• 1:42:09Joe Rogan?

  Since I was like, almost forty. I started with like, the cream and then, uh, well, I noticed my, my, I was, you know, I was training a lot. That was back then, I was doing jujitsu four or five days a week and I was lifting.

• 1:42:22Speaker 02

  That's harder than body.

• 1:42:23Joe Rogan?

  It's hard.

• 1:42:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:42:24Joe Rogan?

  And you're always tired and, you know, uh, I had a doctor that specialized in that stuff. It's one of those things was hormone replacement therapy and, and doing a lot of it for people that had had head injuries. Because people with head injuries, uh, people that have had, uh, CTE and a lot of, like, you have damage to your pituitary gland. A lot of times your brain is not producing testosterone at the level it's supposed to.

• 1:42:47Speaker 02

  Oh, is that right?

• 1:42:47Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm. Yeah, your pituitary gland gets damaged from repeated head trauma. That's one of the things that causes depression in a lot of people that have had head trauma. It's like, your body's not making hormones anymore. So you're just like, you're fucking lethargic all the time. That's a factor. His statements. He described a year-long process with professional trainers, nutritionists, funded by Marvel, daily workouts, precise calorie tracking, no refined sugar and minimum fats. In his 2019 Instagram post, he emphasized the resources required but never mentioned PEDs, steroids, or denied their use. So he never denied it.

• 1:43:22Speaker 02

  Okay, he didn't deny. So go, okay, I, I take it back, I apologize.

• 1:43:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. His, from a softer build at age forty-one, for fucking sure, he got on testosterone. There was a lot of people that were giving me shit about being on testosterone like fifteen years ago that are on it now.

• 1:43:36Speaker 02

  No disrespect to him.

• 1:43:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's nothing wrong with it. I just said I do it.

• 1:43:40Speaker 02

  No, that's the point.

• 1:43:41Joe Rogan?

  Everybody should do it at a certain point.

• 1:43:42Speaker 02

  It's just really funny. People are yelling him, "Oh, you're cheating." It's like, cheating for what? Where's the test?

• 1:43:47Joe Rogan?

  People are silly. People are silly. And they're just mad that he didn't look like... He looked like them. He was doughy, and now all of a sudden, he looks like a bro. And they don't like it.

• 1:43:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, but the thing that's kind of crazy is now the kids in high school are hopping on.

• 1:43:59Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy, because you're gonna destroy your endocrine system.

• 1:44:03Speaker 02

  And also, if you're peaking at 18, that's not gonna be good for your mental health.

• 1:44:06Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's not just that. It's like, it kills your dick. It kills your... When you put a bunch of exogenous testosterone in your body, your body stops making testosterone. And so, say if you're on a cycle for like, a month, two months, it will take you four months for your body to get back to normal. It takes... I think that's the ratio most people... If you're not taking like, Clomiphene, or any of these other things, or HCG, or something that naturally ramps up your testosterone,

• 1:44:33Joe Rogan?

  I think they think that the number is like, double the time that you're on a cycle.

• 1:44:37Speaker 02

  It's also harder and harder. If you keep running cycles, it gets harder and harder.

• 1:44:40Joe Rogan?

  100%, because your body starts relying on it, and your endocrine system shuts down. And it's like, why do we have to make testosterone? This guy's got more than a normal human ever has.

• 1:44:49Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:44:49Joe Rogan?

  And so, we just stop.

• 1:44:51Speaker 02

  And I think these numbers are through the roof with the kids now.

• 1:44:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, they all want to be like, an influencer. They all want to be jacked. You know, it's just like, you don't understand the harm you're doing to your body.

• 1:45:00Speaker 02

  But it's also the kind of thing where it's just like, you shouldn't be comparing yourself to the guy on Instagram.

• 1:45:05Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:45:06Speaker 02

  Or the gym. Compare yourself to the guy on the plane. Next time you're at an airport. That's what I do. That's what kind of helped me. When I get on a flight, I'm like, how many of these people, especially my age, are in good shape? It's gonna be 1 out of 100.

• 1:45:17Joe Rogan?

  Well, the other thing is there's... Especially when you're young, there's plenty of stuff that you can do that's natural, and super beneficial, and not dangerous, like creatine. Creatine is tremendous.

• 1:45:28Speaker 02

  But you're not gonna be a name. No one's gonna notice you on Instagram. That's the thing. They're chasing the fame.

• 1:45:35Joe Rogan?

  Oy, that's so sad.

• 1:45:37Speaker 02

  It's very sad. It's very, I mean, some of these guys look better than Schwarzenegger and they're seventeen. It's insane. But it's just like, what's your future gonna?

• 1:45:45Joe Rogan?

  Well, you're not gonna have kids, right? You're gonna be sterile. You're not gonna have any sperm.

• 1:45:50Speaker 02

  But you know, there was that thing about they asked Olympians, would you give up like twenty years of your life if you're guaranteed a gold? And like ninety percent of them said yes.

• 1:45:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I know. Well, look at Lindsey Vonn. I mean, she knew that she had a blown ACL and she still skied.

• 1:46:04Speaker 02

  Is that right?

• 1:46:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, she blew her ACL out like a couple of weeks before the Olympics and still decided to compete. And then shattered her leg with this horrible compound fracture.

• 1:46:16Speaker 02

  Oh, my God.

• 1:46:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you didn't know about that?

• 1:46:17Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:46:18Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, she had to get airlifted. She's had multiple surgeries. She's fucked for a long time. Her leg broke in multiple places. She's got rods and stuff in it. And leg breaks are really scary because your body doesn't necessarily always heal from those. Like, sometimes the blood flow's not appropriate. It's not, it's not what you need. And people get their legs amputated from those things.

• 1:46:41Speaker 02

  Jesus.

• 1:46:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, femur breaks are super dangerous.

• 1:46:44Speaker 02

  I've never broken a bone and I'm part of it.

• 1:46:46Joe Rogan?

  Ever?

• 1:46:47Speaker 02

  I know, right?

• 1:46:47Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 1:46:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:46:49Joe Rogan?

  Nothing?

• 1:46:49Speaker 02

  A part of me is like, is this something I wanna try before I die?

• 1:46:52Joe Rogan?

  No, it sucks.

• 1:46:53Speaker 02

  Does it? But how bad is it?

• 1:46:55Joe Rogan?

  Well, I broke my arm when I was seven. I broke my forearm right here. I fell off a monkey bar and snapped my forearm in half. That healed perfect. But when you're a kid, they just put me in a cast and like six weeks later, I was good to go. Um, I broke my fibula, the small bone of my tibia, in, uh, sparring. A friend of mine threw a back kick at the same time. I was throwing a kick and his heel hit my, my fibula and it cracked that. But that was only a crack. I actually competed with that. I put soccer pads on it. Those plastic soccer, I taped soccer instep pads.

• 1:47:32Speaker 02

  That was allowed?

• 1:47:32Joe Rogan?

  Part of my, I didn't tell anybody.

• 1:47:34Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 1:47:35Joe Rogan?

  Cause it was a Taekwondo tournament, so I had pants on.

• 1:47:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah.

• 1:47:38Joe Rogan?

  And so I put like a regular, um, these soccer pads. I taped them to my calf. And then I put the foam one on over that and I competed.

• 1:47:49Speaker 02

  Huh, okay.

• 1:47:50Joe Rogan?

  I won the States that way.

• 1:47:53Speaker 02

  Okay, great. Were you a national champion?

• 1:47:55Joe Rogan?

  I won American Open and I came in second place in the US Cup against the national champion and I think I should have beat him. I got a bad decision. But I never won the national championships. But at the time that I was getting ready to try to win the national championships in 88, the problem was I had already been disillusioned because I had started kickboxing.

• 1:48:15Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:48:15Joe Rogan?

  And I'd already started like realizing there's a lot of holes in Taekwondo.

• 1:48:19Speaker 02

  Well, Taekwondo is like with the rise of UFC, it's really not good.

• 1:48:23Joe Rogan?

  Well, it is if you know all the other stuff.

• 1:48:25Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 1:48:26Joe Rogan?

  Because those kicks are devastating.

• 1:48:27Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:48:28Joe Rogan?

  They're devastating. And a guy who's a really good kicker, like a Michael Venom Page, for instance, who's a karate specialist, who learned how to defend takedowns, they're really dangerous because they have the ability to cover distance and kick at range and if you're not a good kicker and you don't recognize what this guy's doing, they could fuck you up.

• 1:48:45Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:48:45Joe Rogan?

  But there was so many holes in Taekwondo when it came to like punching to the face and then leg kicks. I didn't realize like how many holes there were in it until I started really getting into kickboxing. So I was, by the time 88 rolled around, I was already disillusioned.

• 1:48:59Speaker 02

  Huh, okay.

• 1:49:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And then I was already starting to do stand-up, so it was like, what am I doing with my life? You know?

• 1:49:05Speaker 02

  Oh, I got a bone to pick with you.

• 1:49:07Joe Rogan?

  Ooh, I'm excited.

• 1:49:09Speaker 02

  Oh, you set me up perfectly.

• 1:49:10Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:49:11Speaker 02

  You set me up perfectly. I was, I, uh, thank you, Joe Rogan. Bridgette Fettissey sat in this very chair.

• 1:49:17Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:49:18Speaker 02

  The chair I'm farting in right now because I had some vintage Olean chips from eBay and it's, this chair's gonna be a disaster zone.

• 1:49:26Joe Rogan?

  That's the Trump chair.

• 1:49:27Speaker 02

  I know. Um, and she told you that I'm starting to do stand-up? And you said, "That's great. He's so funny. He could open for me." And then I was all excited about this opportunity and I waited a few weeks because I was scared to like whatever and you texted me about some meme and I go...

• 1:49:44Joe Rogan?

  First of all, I don't think I said you could open for me. I highly doubt I said that.

• 1:49:48Speaker 02

  You did, but that's fine. I'm not holding you to it. I'm just saying you said that. That's fine.

• 1:49:51Joe Rogan?

  Maybe I was joking.

• 1:49:52Speaker 02

  I'm not holding you to it. You were just encouraging. Okay? Let's just leave it there.

• 1:49:56Joe Rogan?

  I think you're very funny.

• 1:49:57Speaker 02

  Okay. You texted me about some meme. I go, "Hey, I'm getting to do stand-up." You go, "You absolutely should. You're very funny." I go, "I have my set. What should I do next?" Do you know what you said?

• 1:50:05Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:50:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:07Speaker 02

  You left me on a rail.

• 1:50:08Joe Rogan?

  You're on your own bitch.

• 1:50:09Speaker 02

  What do you mean?

• 1:50:10Joe Rogan?

  Cause you gotta figure it out. It's like, you know, I wanna start fighting. What should I do? You know what to do.

• 1:50:15Speaker 02

  I don't.

• 1:50:16Joe Rogan?

  Go to the fucking gym. Figure it out. Start training. Don't, I can't hold anybody's hand. Standup is too hard for you to help someone in the beginning. You've gotta actually wanna do it.

• 1:50:25Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:50:25Joe Rogan?

  So you gotta go to open mics, you gotta do standup, you gotta get ready, put a set together, record it, review it.

• 1:50:30Speaker 02

  Done.

• 1:50:31Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:50:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:50:32Joe Rogan?

  So you're doing standup all the time?

• 1:50:34Speaker 02

  Not all, you saying I should do it all the time?

• 1:50:35Joe Rogan?

  You have to do it all the time. It's like, if you wanna spar, you have to spar every week.

• 1:50:40Speaker 02

  Do you know what everyone told me who I asked? Like, I asked like ten, like, big name, bigish, people who are names, and they all said the same thing, you have to bomb.

• 1:50:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, bombing is good, cause it lets you realize how difficult it is, and then you don't like the feeling, so you work really hard.

• 1:50:54Speaker 02

  And also, you know, you have to be ready for that moment and how to recover from it.

• 1:50:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah. Failure. Failure, I think, in everything is good. Losing is important. It's very important. It motivates you to do better. You know, people don't like that feeling, but they're, all, a lot of uncomfortable feelings lead to growth. And that's why they're important.

• 1:51:12Speaker 02

  That's true.

• 1:51:13Joe Rogan?

  Heartbreak, losing a job, getting fired, you know, all those things are important.

• 1:51:17Speaker 02

  Okay, well.

• 1:51:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Standup's important to, it's important to have, like, bad sets.

• 1:51:23Speaker 02

  I think you said bad sex.

• 1:51:24Joe Rogan?

  Bad sets.

• 1:51:24Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:51:26Joe Rogan?

  So when was the last time you went up?

• 1:51:27Speaker 02

  I haven't done it for a while, cause I didn't know what to do.

• 1:51:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you gotta do it a lot. It's gotta be something that you're dedicated to. That's why I'm saying, you can't just say, what do I do?

• 1:51:36Speaker 02

  Okay, that's fair.

• 1:51:37Joe Rogan?

  You gotta do it.

• 1:51:37Speaker 02

  That's very fair. I've been talking to Cal, and he's been very helpful.

• 1:51:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, just, there's plenty of places we could perform. I mean, Austin alone, on my street alone, on Sixth Street, is, there's like, within a one-block radius, there's like, seven clubs.

• 1:51:51Speaker 02

  I'm not arguing that.

• 1:51:51Joe Rogan?

  I mean, this is the place. If you wanna do standup, this is the fucking place, man. I mean, it's incredible right now.

• 1:51:57Speaker 02

  Okay, fair enough. Point taken.

• 1:51:58Joe Rogan?

  My club alone has two nights of open mic nights.

• 1:52:01Speaker 02

  Is that true?

• 1:52:01Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh. Sunday and Monday night are both open mic nights.

• 1:52:03Speaker 02

  Okay, then I'm gonna sign up.

• 1:52:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we have a real development program. The whole idea is like, to make it so that we have like, a real foundation of people that are coming up. And that motivates all the people that are already doing well. It's like, all these guys are like, really working hard. And it gets everybody excited about working hard, and then it motivates the people at the top, saying, hey, these young guys are really good. And then guys start getting specials, and like, Cam Patterson just got on SNL. All these things are happening for people from the club, so it's like, it's a great place.

• 1:52:32Speaker 02

  Okay, no, that's fine. That's very fair.

• 1:52:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it's not something that you can kind of casually do every now and again. You can, but you won't be as good as you will be if you do it every week.

• 1:52:42Speaker 02

  That's, Callan said that as well.

• 1:52:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:44Speaker 02

  You have to put in the time. This is not something that you could do just on weekends.

• 1:52:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you can't like run around your block once a month and think you can go do a marathon.

• 1:52:55Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:52:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you gotta get in, and you gotta, the, the thing about stand-up is like, you're making a mountain, one layer of paint at a time. It's, it's not, it's not a quick process. To become a stand-up, most people agree. There's not a hard, fast rule, because it's depending upon how much actual time you do, and how much focus, and, but, the general rule is 10 years.

• 1:53:19Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:53:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the general rule is 10 years. Like, people don't really think of you as being legit until you've been in it for 10 years.

• 1:53:26Speaker 02

  I don't know that I have 10 years.

• 1:53:28Joe Rogan?

  I don't know if anybody has 10 years. I don't know if the human race has 10 years.

• 1:53:32Speaker 02

  I, I-

• 1:53:33Joe Rogan?

  You see those robots in China that are doing fucking Kung-Fu?

• 1:53:35Speaker 02

  Are they already?

• 1:53:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, they just did this demonstration, this martial arts demonstration with these robots on a stage. It's crazy how fucking, how they move.

• 1:53:45Speaker 02

  I'm more worried about if anyone can use AI to engineer a bioweapon.

• 1:53:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that, yeah, that's real.

• 1:53:52Speaker 02

  Because there's a, there was a piece, a guy, I forget his name, I apologize, where he was, he's one of these big AI people, and he goes, "If you use the paid-for AI", he goes, "I can tell it to write me code, and it also knows, like, idiosyncratic preferences." So it's better than hiring a person, and that's today.

• 1:54:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:10Speaker 02

  So what's gonna happen in two years, three years? Like, how do you put guardrails on that? I don't think you can.

• 1:54:16Joe Rogan?

  I don't think you can. And there's a lot of people that are resigning from a lot of these companies that are saying, "We're doomed."

• 1:54:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:54:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:23Speaker 02

  I'm not a doom and gloom kind of guy, but that, I think, is a much faster path toward something happening than, you know, robots, Kung-Fu robots from China.

• 1:54:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's also automated weapons, weapon systems that are totally autonomous.

• 1:54:39Speaker 02

  Is that right?

• 1:54:40Joe Rogan?

  Yes, the government's working on that, and I believe there was an issue, see if you can find this, with one of the AI companies not willing to partner with the US, or not willing to do something with autonomous weapons programs. I think it's anthropic.

• 1:54:59Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 1:54:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think Anthropic was like, uh, we don't think that's good. And all the other ones are like, let's go.

• 1:55:05Speaker 02

  Holy shit, yeah.

• 1:55:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, the thing is, is China doing that? They probably are. Anthropic is clashing with the Pentagon over AI use. Here's what each side wants. Anthropic's relationship with the Department of Defense is

• 1:55:19Joe Rogan?

  uh, is under review as the two sides negotiate over how the company's AI models can be used. Startup wants assurance that its models will not be used for autonomous weapons or mass surveillance. Oh, my God, these pop-ups are brutal. Um, fuck you, CNBC. The DOD wants to use Anthropic models for all lawful use cases without limitation. According to Emile Michael, the undersecretary of War for Research and Engineering.

• 1:55:50Speaker 02

  Holy crap.

• 1:55:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so this is what they're doing.

• 1:55:54Speaker 02

  So which is worse, autonomous weapons or mass surveillance? I think it's mass surveillance.

• 1:55:57Joe Rogan?

  Both of them are terrible.

• 1:55:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, which is worse, though?

• 1:55:59Joe Rogan?

  Because they work hand and glove. Both of them are terrible. I mean, did you see Alex Karp, that, that, uh, interview that he did?

• 1:56:08Speaker 02

  Which one?

• 1:56:08Joe Rogan?

  Where he was talking about Palantir and he's like, we're gonna, you know, and occasionally kill people, we're gonna use it to kill people?

• 1:56:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:56:15Joe Rogan?

  That's what he said.

• 1:56:15Speaker 02

  Right, and, right.

• 1:56:17Joe Rogan?

  But he was like openly saying, kill people. Like, this is what we're doing. Like, what?

• 1:56:23Speaker 02

  But I, I, did you see that big leak from Palantir, which I don't know if it's been verified or not? Where they were talking, Kim.com was the one who, uh,

• 1:56:33Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:56:33Speaker 02

  who dropped this.

• 1:56:34Joe Rogan?

  Yes, I did see that Kim.com tweeted about it, but I didn't see if it was verified. What did he say exactly?

• 1:56:39Speaker 02

  I don't, if, Jeff, if you could pull, it was a long, it was a long, long thing. And it was very, because he said Palantir got hacked, he said he doesn't have, I, I don't think it was verified that this was legitimate, but these were the bullet points he laid out. And it was extremely disturbing. I've, it's not surprising that a private company is gonna be more effective and efficient than the government at implementing what the government wants. A lot of the things during COVID wasn't literally the government. These corporations are more than happy to impose these kind of, you know, don't, if you don't get the vaccine, so-called, you're gonna get fired.

• 1:57:09Joe Rogan?

  Well, they were all having backdoor deals.

• 1:57:11Speaker 02

  Exactly, but they, they were more than happy to do it.

• 1:57:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they were, they were being incentivized.

• 1:57:15Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 1:57:16Joe Rogan?

  Which is fucking crazy, but. The thing about this AI stuff that no one realizes, except for the engineers that are deeply invested in this, is that it's accelerating at this tremendously rapid pace that they can't really control. ChatGPT 5, I was reading this article, ChatGPT made ChatGPT 5. They essentially tasked the AI to make a better version of itself. Make sure that's true. I'm pretty sure that's what they're saying.

• 1:57:46Speaker 02

  Right now, for free, if you put any photo on Grok Imagine, it animates it. And it looks realistic.

• 1:57:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:57:52Speaker 02

  Like instantly.

• 1:57:52Joe Rogan?

  There's a video of me and Keanu Reeves doing Kung Fu in this room. Like, he's dressed up like John Wick.

• 1:57:59Speaker 02

  But it looks real, I'm sure.

• 1:58:00Joe Rogan?

  It looks very real. It's like a scene from John Wick. It's like, we're we're doing like movie-style Kung Fu in this room.

• 1:58:07Speaker 02

  And the average person can't distinguish between what is on their screen and what is outside their window.

• 1:58:12Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:58:12Speaker 02

  And for the human brain, they're going to remember it and perceive it as something that they had seen before.

• 1:58:18Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:58:18Speaker 02

  It is a very scary thing. I remember something that clicked in my head, Survivor Season 1. So that was like 2000, I think it was, 2001. They had the second-to-last episode, there's four contestants left, and they go, "Next week on Survivor." And Sue turns to Kelly, and she goes, "We gotta vote out Richard." And I was on a message board at the time, and one of the people, they're like, "Who do you think's gonna be eliminated?" One goes, "Oh, I think they're gonna vote out Richard." Did you hear what Sue said? We all heard it. This wasn't eavesdropping. This was a sound clip that the editor left in. There was nothing else to hear. In fact, you could only hear what Sue said to Kelly. And that was such a wake-up moment for me, like, holy shit, people really think they're on that beach, and they heard something they weren't supposed to.

• 1:59:00Speaker 02

  But you laugh. But there will be people who tell you right now with a straight face, and I think they could pass the lie detector test easily, that Trump said, "We should inject bleach." And Trump said, "I'm praising very fine people, white nationalists." And you could play the tape, they will not perceive it. They're not lying.

• 1:59:18Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:59:19Speaker 02

  And I think that's a big hurdle for a lot of people to accept. People honestly are perceiving things that you're not.

• 1:59:25Joe Rogan?

  That's true. Yeah. And they're also only looking at Headlines or only looking at narratives. They get a tweet, they read the tweet, oh my god, I can't believe they're doing this and then they put it down. They're too busy. They're not gonna do deep dives.

• 1:59:38Speaker 02

  It's not that they're too busy, it's that their preconceptions have been validated.

• 1:59:41Joe Rogan?

  That too.

• 1:59:42Speaker 02

  They're not running a true false filter, they're running an us them filter.

• 1:59:45Joe Rogan?

  Right, that's right.

• 1:59:46Speaker 02

  Trump's thousands of times the Epstein files, there you go, what else do I need to tell you?

• 1:59:50Joe Rogan?

  That's it, yeah, very fine people on both sides. I mean Obama said that during the campaign. When he said that during the campaign, I'm like, that's crazy.

• 1:59:58Speaker 02

  Well Biden said that was his reason for running.

• 2:00:01Speaker 02

  You don't remember that?

• 2:00:02Joe Rogan?

  Did you see in the, in the Epstein files, someone said that Biden's dead?

• 2:00:06Speaker 02

  Well they're also saying that Epstein's alive.

• 2:00:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that might be real.

• 2:00:10Speaker 02

  I don't know how they pull that off. I'm not, here's the thing, I'm sorry to interrupt you. Whenever I hear something that's out there, I'm not saying it's ridiculous, I always say to myself, what steps would need to be taken for this to be true, right? So if you're gonna keep Epstein alive, and he's obviously extremely visible, his face and very known, how do you keep that guy under wraps would be the question I would have.

• 2:00:31Joe Rogan?

  You move him to Israel and you get plastic surgery.

• 2:00:35Speaker 02

  You think so, that's it?

• 2:00:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, look Renee Zellweger looks different.

• 2:00:38Speaker 02

  That's true.

• 2:00:40Joe Rogan?

  And she's a fucking movie star, like she kinda ruined her career by making herself look prettier.

• 2:00:45Speaker 02

  Well, no, she got, she looks Asian now. She's got all those big cheeks.

• 2:00:49Joe Rogan?

  She did something weird.

• 2:00:49Speaker 02

  No, she got all those big cheeks and her eyes are all like small now.

• 2:00:51Joe Rogan?

  What did she do? Let's take a look at what she did.

• 2:00:53Speaker 02

  She's all puffy faced, yeah.

• 2:00:54Joe Rogan?

  Like people said that Bradley Cooper did something. But he came in here, he looked fucking completely normal. It's just weird pictures online. Like maybe one day he was tired and one day he wasn't.

• 2:01:05Speaker 02

  Renee Zellweger really did do a lot of work.

• 2:01:07Joe Rogan?

  She did something. Bradley Cooper looks exactly like Bradley Cooper to me. Yeah, okay. Like she did something weird.

• 2:01:14Speaker 02

  God, oh my god.

• 2:01:15Joe Rogan?

  She was so cute.

• 2:01:16Speaker 02

  She looks like that.

• 2:01:17Joe Rogan?

  Look at her in 2009, she was so cute and then.

• 2:01:19Speaker 02

  Who's that annoying lefty lady who's a podcaster?

• 2:01:22Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 2:01:22Speaker 02

  Yes you do, the one who was a Real Housewife and now she's like.

• 2:01:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, I don't know her name, but she's awful.

• 2:01:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, she's a heel. She does a great job being a heel.

• 2:01:29Joe Rogan?

  She's great at that. Everyone, they're fucking, lock them all up.

• 2:01:32Speaker 02

  Right, right, yeah, yeah.

• 2:01:33Joe Rogan?

  No one wants to fuck her anymore and she's very angry.

• 2:01:35Speaker 02

  That's who she looks like now.

• 2:01:36Joe Rogan?

  Let me see that again. Other photos? Okay, the one on the far right, she's still pretty.

• 2:01:44Joe Rogan?

  But there's, there's definitely a change in her face.

• 2:01:46Speaker 02

  But look at that fifth photo.

• 2:01:47Joe Rogan?

  Jennifer Grey is a better example.

• 2:01:49Speaker 02

  Well, she's got a nose job.

• 2:01:50Joe Rogan?

  Right, but after that nose job, her career kind of fucking stopped.

• 2:01:53Speaker 02

  Well, no, Linda Evans is the worst of this. Can you pull up Linda Evans?

• 2:01:56Joe Rogan?

  Linda Evans from the Terminator?

• 2:01:57Speaker 02

  From Dynasty.

• 2:01:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Linda Hamilton, Terminator.

• 2:02:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, Linda Evans is.

• 2:02:02Joe Rogan?

  Linda Hamilton is fucking awesome in Stranger Things. What did she do?

• 2:02:06Speaker 02

  I mean, she looks horrific.

• 2:02:08Joe Rogan?

  Well, she's old, man.

• 2:02:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, but there's plenty of old people who don't look like that.

• 2:02:11Joe Rogan?

  She doesn't look like she did anything.

• 2:02:13Speaker 02

  She sued.

• 2:02:14Joe Rogan?

  She sued? For a plastic surgery?

• 2:02:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, look at that one right there, Jamie, yeah. Pull that up.

• 2:02:23Speaker 02

  It's bad.

• 2:02:25Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's just, I don't see, where does it say?

• 2:02:29Speaker 02

  The one right under that, the red one, see that? Yeah, pull that up, see?

• 2:02:32Joe Rogan?

  Uh, finding peace and happiness growing older in the Northwest. Well, that just looks like an older lady.

• 2:02:37Speaker 02

  But she doesn't look like herself at all.

• 2:02:40Joe Rogan?

  But she's older.

• 2:02:41Speaker 02

  But I, she had a lot of effed up work. Maybe she had some of it reversed.

• 2:02:45Joe Rogan?

  Maybe.

• 2:02:46Speaker 02

  You're saying that's not?

• 2:02:48Joe Rogan?

  That, that one's not that shocking to me. That's just an older lady.

• 2:02:51Speaker 02

  I don't think, I think it's quite shocking. Because I think it looks bad. No disrespect to her.

• 2:02:57Joe Rogan?

  I mean, that's the difference between a thirty year old lady and a fucking seventy year old lady.

• 2:03:01Speaker 02

  There's plenty of seventy year old ladies who don't look like, like protein bars.

• 2:03:05Joe Rogan?

  Buuuuuh, I don't know. That, I don't think that's the best example. I think the Renee, okay, what has Linda done to her face?

• 2:03:12Speaker 03

  From like, uh, tabloids.

• 2:03:13Joe Rogan?

  Right, okay, so it might not be true.

• 2:03:16Speaker 02

  There's a lot of cases like this. You know, it's, it's, whatever.

• 2:03:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. What was the point? How do we get on that?

• 2:03:23Speaker 02

  What were we talking about? Keanu Reeves, the, uh, Renee Zellweger?

• 2:03:27Speaker 03

  I was on chat, I was looking up ChatGPT stuff and then switched to that.

• 2:03:30Joe Rogan?

  Okay, yeah, ChatGPT five, did ChatGPT code ChatGPT five?

• 2:03:36Speaker 03

  That's, I don't, I don't even know how to search that. I don't know the right search term to look that up because it's not, I'm not getting anywhere.

• 2:03:42Joe Rogan?

  If you ask that question, it doesn't.

• 2:03:44Speaker 03

  I chat GPT five makes itself better. You know, I don't there's there's something that I was trying to dig into.

• 2:03:49Speaker 02

  Cause that's singularity stuff.

• 2:03:50Speaker 03

  Called like self correcting loops or something like that. I'm not getting anywhere with that. That's not the right.

• 2:03:55Joe Rogan?

  This was the this was the concern about AI was that eventually AI would become sentient and autonomous and would create better versions of itself.

• 2:04:03Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:04:04Joe Rogan?

  And it would do it very quickly.

• 2:04:05Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:04:05Joe Rogan?

  And I think we're in that right now. I think what we're getting from these engineers is an indication that the people that are deeply involved in this are fucking disturbed by the power of this stuff. They essentially say that they don't have a job anymore. They just kind of show up and it does the work for them. And that this is far more potent than what the general public is aware of.

• 2:04:28Speaker 02

  So.

• 2:04:29Joe Rogan?

  And getting better all the time.

• 2:04:30Speaker 02

  We're at the point now where Grok is a better conversationalist and better at perceiving nuance and humor than the average person. A lot of times if I have a tweet and some cretin comes in with some response, I will just say, hey, Grok, explain to this person such and such and such. And I leave it for Grok to be like a tart handler and I do this every single day. But the point is if I'm being humorous. Maybe my jokes aren't that funny. Point being Grok understands that I'm being humorous.

• 2:04:58Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:04:58Speaker 02

  Even this person isn't or is pretending not to. So what happens when the average person, what are they bringing to the table?

• 2:05:06Joe Rogan?

  Right. What are they bringing to the table?

• 2:05:07Speaker 02

  What about artists too?

• 2:05:09Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:05:09Speaker 02

  The AI art's getting better every single day. Like I did a book where I used AI for the cover. It's like, what are you gonna do with? You're gonna have certain number of people who are good at like massaging it and you know, having great ideas, but at a certain point, there's only so much you can do.

• 2:05:24Joe Rogan?

  Did you see what the Dorr brothers did?

• 2:05:26Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:05:26Joe Rogan?

  They just really they're these really good AI artists. They're the guys who do all the intros to the Kill Tony videos.

• 2:05:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:05:33Joe Rogan?

  They're fucking awesome. And they just made like a Hollywood movie and they did it in like a day.

• 2:05:39Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:05:39Joe Rogan?

  With AI. See if you can find that clip because it went viral and everybody's kind of freaking out. They're like Hollywood's done. Cause this clip is insane. It's it's so realistic looking.

• 2:05:48Speaker 02

  The other thing is by the time we're all wrapping our heads around it, it's already six months ago.

• 2:05:54Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:05:54Speaker 02

  That's what's crazy.

• 2:05:55Joe Rogan?

  And it's far better than it was then.

• 2:05:57Speaker 03

  They put out another one today.

• 2:05:58Joe Rogan?

  Let me see.

• 2:05:59Speaker 03

  I haven't seen this yet.

• 2:06:00Joe Rogan?

  All right. Yes, sir.

• 2:06:03Joe Rogan?

  Go full screen, back it up.

• 2:06:11Joe Rogan?

  This is all AI? Yeah.

• 2:06:27Joe Rogan?

  Holy crap.

• 2:06:33Joe Rogan?

  Holy crap. Whoa.

• 2:06:38Joe Rogan?

  What the fuck?

• 2:07:06Joe Rogan?

  Holy shit! Holy shit!

• 2:07:25Speaker 02

  I don't...

• 2:07:26Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:07:27Speaker 02

  I don't think it's a good idea for humans to casually...

• 2:07:30Joe Rogan?

  This is the other one they did. Check this one out.

• 2:07:32Speaker 05

  I'm really busy, can you get Sofia today? What? No, I have a meeting, I can't. Oh shit.

• 2:07:38Joe Rogan?

  This is all AI? Yeah.

• 2:07:45Joe Rogan?

  Holy shit.

• 2:08:24Joe Rogan?

  God, look at her face. She looks so realistic.

• 2:08:30Speaker 02

  I don't like this.

• 2:08:42Speaker 06

  Sofia! Mom! I love you. I'm on my way.

• 2:08:45Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 2:08:46Speaker 06

  I need you to hide. Get underground.

• 2:08:54Speaker 02

  I can't watch.

• 2:09:19Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 2:09:43Joe Rogan?

  It's a great Cybertruck ad.

• 2:09:46Speaker 03

  People point out online you can hear the engine, which is...

• 2:09:49Joe Rogan?

  No, but you can hear the engine when it does that. It makes a weird humming noise.

• 2:10:20Speaker 05

  Good morning, Sleeping Beauty.

• 2:10:24Speaker 05

  Why don't you get the president on the phone?

• 2:10:30Joe Rogan?

  We have her.

• 2:10:32Speaker 02

  What the fuck?

• 2:10:32Joe Rogan?

  I'll be right there.

• 2:10:33Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 2:10:36Speaker 02

  I don't like this at all. I don't like that at all.

• 2:10:39Speaker 03

  I don't think the sound was AI. Some of it could have been, but it's mixed too good and all that stuff.

• 2:10:44Speaker 02

  I don't think it's a good thing for people to casually be seeing footage of people being shot in the face. Like, I'm on YouTube.

• 2:10:52Joe Rogan?

  Well, they already got that.

• 2:10:54Speaker 02

  I'm saying it's not a good thing.

• 2:10:54Joe Rogan?

  Check out this video that I just sent you, Jamie.

• 2:10:57Speaker 02

  There's a lot of, I watch a lot of police body cam videos on YouTube.

• 2:11:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:11:00Speaker 02

  And you see people getting killed. And it's just like, are we not having conversation, the effects of the human mind, of just watching real people getting killed left and right all the time?

• 2:11:09Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 2:11:10Speaker 02

  Especially young people?

• 2:11:10Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of that.

• 2:11:11Speaker 02

  Like, I don't like seeing, I mean, watching.

• 2:11:13Joe Rogan?

  Check this out.

• 2:11:14Speaker 02

  Okay. Oh, Jesus.

• 2:11:32Joe Rogan?

  I was just asking about the pencil trick.

• 2:11:35Speaker 02

  This is crazy. This is crazy. Oh, there's Shane. Okay. Wow.

• 2:11:40Joe Rogan?

  Weird.

• 2:11:41Speaker 02

  But I don't, like, you don't see anything wrong with just casually showing planes flying into buildings?

• 2:11:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, all movies do that, though.

• 2:11:50Speaker 02

  I don't think that's, yeah, but the thing is, this is how you kind of boil a frog.

• 2:11:55Joe Rogan?

  But they've always done that in action movies.

• 2:11:57Speaker 02

  I don't think to that level is, to have anyone be able to make this the drop hat. I'm not saying it should be banned. I'm just saying, I think at a certain point, if 24/7 we're seeing dozens of people getting killed, it's gonna have an effect on people's psyches.

• 2:12:15Joe Rogan?

  No question.

• 2:12:16Speaker 02

  And I don't think that's a good effect.

• 2:12:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's what we have now before this, not good.

• 2:12:22Speaker 02

  Do you know what else is fucked up? We're not even talking about what this kind of porn is gonna look like.

• 2:12:26Joe Rogan?

  Right, right. And porn with anybody like you or Jamie, you and Jamie could be fucking in a video.

• 2:12:31Speaker 02

  That, I'm talking about.

• 2:12:32Joe Rogan?

  Who's on top?

• 2:12:33Speaker 02

  What, I'm talking about snuff films.

• 2:12:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh, right, right, yeah.

• 2:12:37Speaker 02

  You can make porn right now.

• 2:12:38Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent.

• 2:12:39Speaker 02

  Where you're doing the girl, then you cut her head off or cut body parts off.

• 2:12:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, just pull out a shotgun as soon as you climax.

• 2:12:44Speaker 02

  No, pull out a knife.

• 2:12:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, anything, yeah.

• 2:12:46Speaker 02

  And it'll look really realistic and you have no way of, we're still apes.

• 2:12:50Joe Rogan?

  People probably already making that.

• 2:12:52Speaker 02

  Of course they are.

• 2:12:53Joe Rogan?

  They're probably already making that.

• 2:12:54Speaker 02

  That I know, the investigators already don't have the tools to distinguish between real videos of infants and AI videos of infants. And this is, again, this has been a bridge that's been crossed and like no one knows what to say or do about it. It's just like, we're kind of just blinking and it's here.

• 2:13:13Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's not just here, it's here and growing.

• 2:13:16Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:13:16Joe Rogan?

  And getting stronger all the time and we're all just plowing headfirst towards the cliff.

• 2:13:23Speaker 02

  And what's gonna happen when this started kind of stuff gets, um, uh, um, matched up with psychedelics?

• 2:13:29Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's not just that, it's like what happens when this stuff starts running all of our resources, running our economy, running everything?

• 2:13:37Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:13:38Joe Rogan?

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• 2:14:41Joe Rogan?

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• 2:15:26Joe Rogan?

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• 2:15:34Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, right, who was that, the creepy line guy?

• 2:15:38Joe Rogan?

  Creepy line?

• 2:15:39Speaker 02

  There was that documentary, The Creepy Line. Robert something Malone, I think is his name, was he's an academic. His point, he went through Google, and he goes, look, if I'm Google, right, and I, or I'm Facebook, and I have people who are like Trump, and people who are like Hillary. So if I just put out, hey, you should vote, and send it just to the Hillary people, I'm not on paper endorsing Hillary.

• 2:16:01Joe Rogan?

  Dr. Robert Epstein.

• 2:16:02Speaker 02

  Robert Epstein, thank you.

• 2:16:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that guy.

• 2:16:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:16:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we've had that guy on multiple times.

• 2:16:05Speaker 02

  Right, but then you're going to be getting out that vote in the direction you want.

• 2:16:09Joe Rogan?

  Well, his concern is Google searches.

• 2:16:12Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 2:16:13Joe Rogan?

  So like, if you search Trump, it's all negative stories.

• 2:16:15Speaker 02

  And you search Hillary, it's all positive stories. I've talked to him also about the Facebook stuff. If you're promoting, go and vote, and you have this group versus that group, it could nudge it very easily.

• 2:16:24Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:16:24Speaker 02

  So it's, that technology's already here and been used.

• 2:16:26Joe Rogan?

  And been used, yeah. That's real election manipulation. That's already legal and being used.

• 2:16:32Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:16:33Joe Rogan?

  For whatever reason.

• 2:16:34Speaker 02

  So, well, you know what reason, but, but like...

• 2:16:35Joe Rogan?

  But also, but curated search engines are a real fucking problem. If you're hiding certain information. Like, I noticed that during the pandemic. There was a story about a doctor in Florida that got vaccinated, and then really quickly afterwards had a stroke and died. And I read the story, and a lot of people were concerned about it. And then I tried to find it on Google. I could not find it. I could not find it. I looked everywhere. Then I looked on DuckDuckGo, and I found it immediately. And then some, it was in the first page. And then somewhere along the line, DuckDuckGo got weird too.

• 2:17:09Speaker 02

  Oh, Jesus, okay.

• 2:17:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so it's like they realized that people were finding things on Duck. And then I believe, is DuckDuckGo curated? Or did they just have open source?

• 2:17:21Joe Rogan?

  What are they saying? And then I started using Brave and Brave was showing me things and other, other search engines weren't showing me.

• 2:17:28Speaker 02

  But then the other hand, if they're, are they show, you have the problem of, is it showing you things that are just not true?

• 2:17:33Joe Rogan?

  Right, but I was searching for a very specific story and I couldn't find it. Right, right. You're definitely gonna get a lot of that, especially if there's like, look, the Hunter Biden laptop story. They got 51 different former intelligence agents to say that it was Russian disinformation.

• 2:17:46Speaker 02

  It's not curated, okay.

• 2:17:47Joe Rogan?

  Not curated in the sense of building a personalized filter bubble based on user history, but it does curate results by ranking.

• 2:17:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't know how you can really avoid that though, right?

• 2:17:55Joe Rogan?

  That's curating. Indexing and filtering from hundreds of sources, including Bing. Bing's not good.

• 2:18:00Speaker 02

  But it has to put things in order somehow.

• 2:18:02Joe Rogan?

  What it deems relevant, what it deems relevant. Unlike Google, it avoids user tracking and personalization, providing a more neutral, non-personalized search experience, but also curated by ranking.

• 2:18:16Joe Rogan?

  No user profiling, does outstore search history or per. All I know is that there was a difference in the way it worked for me. It doesn't mean that it's.

• 2:18:24Speaker 02

  There has to be some ranking process.

• 2:18:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:18:26Speaker 02

  It can't just, you know, it's gonna have things in order, no matter what search engine you use.

• 2:18:30Joe Rogan?

  Right, when you're looking for something very specific.

• 2:18:31Speaker 02

  That is, yeah, that's obviously their burying stuff.

• 2:18:33Joe Rogan?

  Google would not show me that article. I put in all the facts of that, I could not find it. All it was saying was the benefits of getting the COVID vaccine.

• 2:18:40Speaker 02

  Has it gotten better or worse?

• 2:18:42Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 2:18:42Speaker 02

  We don't know, how would we know?

• 2:18:43Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. I mean, but you should be disturbed at Robert Epstein's work. Because Robert Epstein's work shows that with just this curated search result, you can shift all these centrist voters, all these middle of the pack voters, these swing voters, you can shift them by a.

• 2:19:01Speaker 02

  I think it was 2%?

• 2:19:03Joe Rogan?

  I think it's larger.

• 2:19:04Speaker 02

  And point being, Trump won by one.

• 2:19:05Joe Rogan?

  It was 9% or something crazy like that.

• 2:19:07Speaker 02

  Let's be conservative, say 2. Trump by 1 and 1/2.

• 2:19:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:19:11Speaker 02

  So it's, and I don't think things are looking good for the Republicans going forward.

• 2:19:15Joe Rogan?

  Well, it doesn't look good for the midterms, right?

• 2:19:17Speaker 02

  Oh, that's.

• 2:19:17Joe Rogan?

  I mean, this ICE stuff is doing a great job for that, because a lot of people are like, hey, we're moving towards fascism.

• 2:19:22Speaker 02

  And the perception of the economy.

• 2:19:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:19:24Speaker 02

  The thing with the ICE stuff, it's like people. You know, voters can have contradictory perspectives, like they want to get rid of illegal aliens, but don't force them out. It's like, what are you gonna do, send them a strongly worded letter?

• 2:19:36Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think the real problem is they're not willing to address the fact that these are paid protests and agitators.

• 2:19:42Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 2:19:43Joe Rogan?

  And that these people, it's not, this is not an organic thing where people are taken to the streets. They're literally being paid. These people have come out and said, you get X amount of money, you get a hundred dollars a day if it's cold out, you get more money. One of the things people were saying that I don't know if it's true at all, it was like, this might be horseshit. They were saying they gave them decibel meters to see how loud they were yelling.

• 2:20:04Joe Rogan?

  Protesters.

• 2:20:04Speaker 02

  Really?

• 2:20:05Joe Rogan?

  They were providing protesters with these decibel meters and for them to, in order to get paid, they had to be yelling at a certain decibel. I was like, this sounds like disinformation.

• 2:20:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, that, I feel like that would-

• 2:20:16Joe Rogan?

  Because how much are those things? How much is a fucking decibel meter? That sounds like very, like, a problem in terms of like, cost.

• 2:20:22Speaker 02

  Right, and you could, if I had that, I'd sell it on eBay, right?

• 2:20:24Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:20:25Speaker 02

  If I'm a protester.

• 2:20:26Joe Rogan?

  If you have thousands of people and you're providing them with these decibel meters-

• 2:20:30Speaker 02

  There would be receipts out the wazoo, I would think.

• 2:20:31Joe Rogan?

  Right, yeah. It sounded like horseshit. But there's a lot of horseshit out there. There's a lot of people that, they do interviews and they just make up fake stuff just for clickbait.

• 2:20:41Speaker 02

  But the thing is there, I think people are, I agree with you, are like, over ICE, but it's like, what's your plan B?

• 2:20:47Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:20:48Speaker 02

  Amnesty? Like, if that's your argument, that's fine, but it's just like, it's not a tenable situation. I mean, look what's going on overseas.

• 2:20:55Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:20:55Speaker 02

  What are you gonna do? Like, right now, there's a guy who's running against Farage from the right of him. And it's like, you're gonna break up that vote. Like, it's called Restore Britain.

• 2:21:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, what is he saying?

• 2:21:04Speaker 02

  He's saying, he's like, Farage is too soft, we're gonna deport them all, blah, blah, blah. It's just like, like, how would, like, fine, I, I understand that's your argument. Literally, how are you gonna do that without mass enforcement? I'm not saying I'm for it or against it, I'm just saying, what is your plan? It's not, it's easy to promise. If I'm in a country that's awesome, I don't want to go back to my shithole.

• 2:21:25Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:21:26Speaker 02

  Like, I'm gonna do whatever I can legally and sometimes extra legally to make sure I'm staying.

• 2:21:30Joe Rogan?

  Especially the people over there that have been encouraged to go there.

• 2:21:33Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:21:33Joe Rogan?

  And then they bend the laws in order to kind of hide their crimes.

• 2:21:36Speaker 02

  Right. One of the best things that happened to me was December 31st, 2024. So it was the beginning of 2025. I was on Twitter and you heard about these grooming gangs overseas. And even me, who writes a lot about the nature of evil, was naive. Because when you hear the term grooming, I thought, okay, these high school girls have these, you know, boyfriends from different countries and like 30, whatever. And it's gross and whatever. And then I saw someone posted the receipts of the legal cases. These were girls, children, eight year olds, 10, whatever, being violated and beaten with baseball bats. They were complaining to police. The police said everything's fine, like really graphic stuff.

• 2:22:19Speaker 02

  And I'm like, how stupid I was to think grooming meant what anyone else thinks of grooming. These were rape and torture gangs. And then Elon saw my tweet and he blew a gasket. And then they kind of talked about it in Parliament. So it was a great way to start 2025. But like, where is it all going? You know, people are upset, but Kier Starmer's not in jail. Like, the things he's in trouble for aren't stuff like this. The entire Labour Party voted against further inquiry. It's like some of these guys got prison sentences, but they're not anywhere near proportionate. Why are they still in the UK?

• 2:22:50Joe Rogan?

  I just don't understand it. I just don't understand, like, what, what's the end game there?

• 2:22:55Speaker 02

  Right. Like, what is, like-

• 2:22:57Joe Rogan?

  Is it the destruction of the UK? Like, what's the end game?

• 2:23:00Speaker 02

  That sure is what it's, that's sure, well, if that isn't their goal, that's sure where they are headed toward.

• 2:23:05Joe Rogan?

  Right. If you were trying to destroy the UK, that's how you would do it. Bring in violent migrants, let them do violent crimes, don't prosecute them. Prosecute people for complaining about it online.

• 2:23:15Speaker 02

  And don't bring them into your country and kind of assimilate them.

• 2:23:19Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:23:19Speaker 02

  Like, encourage them to not assimilate.

• 2:23:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:23:22Speaker 02

  So I was just there in, in August. It's bad as people think it is, it's even worse.

• 2:23:27Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:23:27Speaker 02

  There was a, um, a theater a block away from the House of Parliament. And they were bragging that seeing their shows are safe. Not fun for the whole family, not, you know, oh, this is educational. You're not going to get murdered if you come see a play here. This, that really shouldn't be a selling point when you're going to the movies or the theater.

• 2:23:47Joe Rogan?

  God, it's so crazy.

• 2:23:48Speaker 02

  Yeah. And it's only getting, getting worse.

• 2:23:52Speaker 02

  So it's, it's, it's, I don't, and I don't, but here's the other thing, let's talk about America, right? If you want to get rid of all these illegal immigrants, what is your mechanism? Because what Trump is doing is too much. There's no, the alternative is to make it difficult for them so they remigrate. But there's plenty of people who would, I certainly understand it, I'd rather be an illegal immigrant in America than go back to whatever hellhole.

• 2:24:15Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:24:16Speaker 03

  I found the video of talking about decimeters, they were fucking around.

• 2:24:20Speaker 02

  It was a joke, okay.

• 2:24:21Speaker 03

  Grox's, they were satirizing.

• 2:24:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh, paid protesters with the, uh, the, the...

• 2:24:28Speaker 03

  Decibel meters.

• 2:24:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the decibel meters, that sounds ridiculous.

• 2:24:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, the whole thing was fuck.

• 2:24:33Speaker 02

  It's a joke.

• 2:24:34Speaker 03

  They were bullshitting.

• 2:24:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that makes sense. Because I was like, there's no way, there's no way they're giving people decibel meters. But that's also just clickbait.

• 2:24:41Speaker 02

  What would you do with the illegal immigrants?

• 2:24:44Joe Rogan?

  It's a good question. You know, um, the real problem is that they let 10 million people plus in over the last four years. And that's the thing that no one wants to address. Like, the only reason why there is this problem is because we had a fucking open border for four years where they actually encouraged people to come in.

• 2:25:04Speaker 02

  Encouraged, that was the key, yeah.

• 2:25:05Joe Rogan?

  And they let in a bunch of violent criminals, and people have been killed, women have been raped, children have been killed. This is, and they want to hide that data because they don't want to be held responsible for what they did over the last four years. The fact that that doesn't get the kind of outrage that it should, but then an ICE protester shooting a guy who is armed. Do you know what really is going on with the gun community about that guy who got, that Alex Preddy guy?

• 2:25:32Speaker 02

  Right, what about him?

• 2:25:33Joe Rogan?

  Do you know the story?

• 2:25:34Speaker 02

  Well, I know that what's-his-name got fired correctly.

• 2:25:37Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:25:38Speaker 02

  For saying, "Well, you shouldn't bring guns to fight the police." And all the two-way people were like, "Are you crazy?"

• 2:25:41Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 2:25:42Speaker 02

  The whole point of the two-way is against the police.

• 2:25:43Joe Rogan?

  Right. But that guy, so they disarmed him, he was carrying a SIG P320.

• 2:25:49Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:25:50Joe Rogan?

  SIG P320s are notorious for accidentally discharging. It appears, at least in videos that I've seen, and some people seem to verify this, that as one of the officers pulls the gun from him and walks away with it, it accidentally discharges.

• 2:26:07Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:26:07Joe Rogan?

  They think this guy has a gun still.

• 2:26:10Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:26:10Joe Rogan?

  They just pulled a gun from him. A gun went off, they think they're in a gunfight, everything's happening split second, they empty on that guy. The two guys who killed him, both of them Mexican guys.

• 2:26:19Speaker 02

  Right, did you see, they look like village people. Did you not see them?

• 2:26:22Joe Rogan?

  I didn't see. They showed their actual faces?

• 2:26:24Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, yeah, it's on my Twitter if you scroll back a few days, Jamie, they look like, I said the village people, it looks straight up village people.

• 2:26:29Joe Rogan?

  But what's crazy is how many Latinos are in ICE.

• 2:26:33Speaker 02

  Why is that crazy? Trump got the Latino vote.

• 2:26:35Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's not just that, it's like, it's a really well-paying job.

• 2:26:38Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 2:26:38Joe Rogan?

  And they give you a big bonus to sign. I think, what is the bonus when you sign for ICE? I think it's like, a great incentive.

• 2:26:46Speaker 02

  But here's the other thing, why that debate drives me crazy. If there's a hospital, right, and there's a nurse who's killing patients, which happens, that happens, you have these like black widow situations. No one's gonna say, shut down the hospital, or stop medicine. So even if this was a first-degree murder, let's assume for the sake of argument, that doesn't mean you should abolish ICE. It just means that guy should go to jail, like one thing got through the other.

• 2:27:10Joe Rogan?

  Look at this, signing bonus of up to fifty thousand dollars. Sixty thousand dollars in student loan repayment, up to twenty-five percent in premium pay, I don't know what that means.

• 2:27:22Speaker 02

  Probably overtime, maybe?

• 2:27:23Joe Rogan?

  Premium pay, twenty-five percent, what does that mean? I don't know, but either way, just the fifty thousand dollar bonus, how many people are willing to take that job just for that? And then sixty thousand dollars in student loan repayment?

• 2:27:35Speaker 02

  And it's great on your resume.

• 2:27:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, you get your student loan paid off and you get a fifty thousand dollar bonus, holy shit.

• 2:27:40Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:27:40Joe Rogan?

  You can get a lot of people to do that.

• 2:27:42Speaker 02

  And job security.

• 2:27:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:27:43Speaker 02

  And it's also, it seems like a job like macho guys would enjoy.

• 2:27:47Joe Rogan?

  Sure, and if you're desperate for work, and if you can't find work, and then all of a sudden this is like an answer to all your financial problems.

• 2:27:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:27:54Joe Rogan?

  A lot of people are gonna do it.

• 2:27:55Speaker 02

  So, but again, what's the?

• 2:27:56Joe Rogan?

  You're also like, very undertrained, like they only trained for seven weeks.

• 2:28:00Speaker 02

  Is that right?

• 2:28:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:01Speaker 02

  But what's the answer, though? No one has an answer.

• 2:28:03Joe Rogan?

  Right, that's a good question. Because, yeah, well, there are a lot of violent criminals in this country that did get in over the last four years that do need to be removed, so what are you gonna do?

• 2:28:12Speaker 02

  But what do you do about the non-violent ones?

• 2:28:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, here's the thing, there was an interesting statistic, I think I sent it to you, Jamie, where they were saying only fourteen percent of these people that they've arrested are violent criminals.

• 2:28:23Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:28:24Joe Rogan?

  But. That, that's what they didn't say is that 60% of the people that they arrested had criminal history. And when you say nonviolent, nonviolent meaning what? What about strong armed robbery? What about a guy pulls a gun on you? That's, is that, how are you classifying?

• 2:28:40Speaker 02

  That's gotta be violent.

• 2:28:41Joe Rogan?

  I bet it's not if you don't cause violence.

• 2:28:43Speaker 02

  No, there's no way armed robbery isn't a violent crime.

• 2:28:47Joe Rogan?

  If you do not cause violence, I wonder if they're categorizing it as violence. Like if you do not shoot someone, stab someone, beat someone, so you're not convicted of a violent crime, you're convicted of robbery.

• 2:28:57Speaker 02

  Here's why, no you're wrong. Because they're doing everything in their power to make the gun violence numbers as high as possible. So if there's any opportunity where a gun is involved, that will be counted as gun violence.

• 2:29:08Joe Rogan?

  Perhaps, but you could rob people with a knife. You know what I mean? Does that count? If you pull a knife on someone and you rob them, is that considered a violent crime?

• 2:29:15Speaker 02

  You want extra complexity? I bet you it is.

• 2:29:17Joe Rogan?

  I wonder. But either way, the misleading aspect of the article was that only 14% were violent criminals. But is that okay? That the other fucking 46% are breaking into people's houses and robbing cars and what about that?

• 2:29:34Speaker 02

  But what about the 40% who just shouldn't be here?

• 2:29:37Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:29:38Speaker 02

  Like that's the question.

• 2:29:39Joe Rogan?

  Right, they all shouldn't be there.

• 2:29:40Speaker 02

  Right, so what are you gonna do?

• 2:29:41Joe Rogan?

  Right. Okay, so here it is. 400,000 ICE arrests in Trump's first year, about 60% involved individuals with some criminal charges or convictions. However, only 14% had violent crime records, including as homicide, 2,100 arrests, sexual assault, 5,400, robbery, 2,700. So robbery. Nearly 40% lacked any criminal record, detained for civil immigration violations.

• 2:30:05Speaker 02

  Wait, can we skip ahead? Look, this is what's so shameless. Arrests for nonviolent issues like DUI. I'm sorry, if you're doing DUI, you should be deported.

• 2:30:14Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:30:15Speaker 02

  That is a violent crime.

• 2:30:16Joe Rogan?

  Well, you definitely could cause death.

• 2:30:18Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:30:19Joe Rogan?

  And destruction. Drugs, 22,000. DUI, 30,000. Outnumbered severe violent crimes. But yeah, but those are fucking bad crimes.

• 2:30:27Speaker 02

  I don't, I, but I think this kind of is a distraction from.

• 2:30:31Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:30:32Speaker 02

  If you have 10 million people and they're all house homemakers, like let's suppose they're the nicest people ever, are you comfortable with them just remaining here? And I don't think most people are.

• 2:30:41Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:30:42Speaker 02

  Then what do you do?

• 2:30:43Joe Rogan?

  Rand Paul thinks that you should allow them to stay, but not give them citizenship.

• 2:30:48Speaker 02

  See, if birthright citizenship went away, a lot of this would be solved.

• 2:30:52Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:30:52Speaker 02

  Right? If like you can't, you're not eligible for welfare.

• 2:30:55Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:30:55Speaker 02

  You're eligible for Medicaid. You could pay your taxes and income, but you're not getting the benefits. People could understand that argument, maybe.

• 2:31:02Joe Rogan?

  Especially if you are illegal and then you come here specifically to have a baby.

• 2:31:06Speaker 02

  An anchor baby, yeah.

• 2:31:07Joe Rogan?

  And then you could stay too. That's kinda crazy. That's a crazy law.

• 2:31:10Speaker 02

  It's, I think we're the only country that has that too.

• 2:31:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:31:12Speaker 02

  So.

• 2:31:13Joe Rogan?

  China definitely doesn't.

• 2:31:14Speaker 02

  So, well, I mean, no one's really banging on the door for Chinese citizenship, to be fair.

• 2:31:18Joe Rogan?

  That's true.

• 2:31:19Speaker 02

  Unless you're from North Korea, maybe. But yeah, so it's.

• 2:31:22Joe Rogan?

  It is a problem that doesn't have like a clear-cut solution that would make both sides happy. That's for damn sure.

• 2:31:28Speaker 02

  Well, I don't, I think one side is against it entirely and many Republicans are, don't think it's worth, you know, kinda overturn our whole society, get these 10 million people out. So what's gonna, I mean, if we had, if we had 10 million Canadians come to America, that's not gonna change the country.

• 2:31:46Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:31:46Speaker 02

  That makes no sense.

• 2:31:47Joe Rogan?

  Right. Well, especially 10 million Canadians that could be violent criminals. Well, if you just have an open door.

• 2:31:52Speaker 02

  They're not gonna be violent. They're Canadian.

• 2:31:53Joe Rogan?

  There's violent Canadians.

• 2:31:55Speaker 02

  Not, no.

• 2:31:55Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 2:31:56Speaker 02

  They're all, they need to be on the TR2.

• 2:31:59Joe Rogan?

  Drinking maple syrup.

• 2:32:00Speaker 02

  Do you know about my, my enslaved Canada plan?

• 2:32:03Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:32:04Speaker 02

  Okay. This, this, this is, I wanna get the exact, I have the exact numbers. Hold on here. So, there are, I wanna get this exactly right, 41 million Canadians.

• 2:32:15Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:32:16Speaker 02

  Now, let's talk about reparations. Right? So if I wreck your truck and your truck is worth $10,000, I gotta get you a brand-new truck or $10,000. That's reparations is restored.

• 2:32:28Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:32:28Speaker 02

  How could you have reparations for something as horrific as slavery? A check's not gonna do it because there's no amount of money where I could say, what, you know what? You owned my grandma. It's fine. Right?

• 2:32:36Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:32:37Speaker 02

  Forty-one million Canadians, they've already demonstrated repeatedly that they don't want freedom through every action that they've taken. Forty-two million African black Americans. So slavery in the South was a horrific blot on America's past. So the opposite, slavery in the North, would be better. So we invade and enslave, hashtag enslave Canada, and every African American gets one Canadian, and that's reparations. And then you never have to hear about slavery or racism again.

• 2:33:06Joe Rogan?

  What a great idea.

• 2:33:07Speaker 02

  And the big names can get the big names. So like, Michelle Obama can get Gad sad, right? Barack Obama is not African American, he's African, you don't get one.

• 2:33:16Joe Rogan?

  Do you think that's real? The Kenyan thing?

• 2:33:19Speaker 02

  Well, he was of African descent. His ancestors were never slaves. So he does, he's not do reparations. In fact, his ancestors owned slaves. And so did Kamala Harris's. Michelle Obama's ancestors were enslaved, so she gets Gad. Sorry Gad. I'm not kidding, I think we should do it. It would solve Canada, it would solve our racism problem.

• 2:33:38Joe Rogan?

  Canada just needs to be free.

• 2:33:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:33:41Joe Rogan?

  They need a better government up there.

• 2:33:42Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 2:33:43Joe Rogan?

  You know, Trump ruined that.

• 2:33:45Speaker 02

  What do you mean, with him?

• 2:33:46Joe Rogan?

  When he was saying they were gonna be our 51st state, he like, he killed the Conservative Party, because then everybody sort of united and said, hey, we've got to stop America from trying to turn us into the 51st state.

• 2:33:56Speaker 02

  This Greenland thing, okay? Let's talk about this. Okay? Because I don't know if people know this, in the first term, we're saying Marie Frederiksen, I think, is the Prime Minister of Denmark. They were gonna have a meeting, and Trump's like, we want Greenland. And she's like, oh, you, you know, haha, looking forward to, you know, meeting you, Mr. President. And on Twitter, he cancels the meeting and goes, since the Prime Minister doesn't know her place, we're gonna have to meet another time. And she's like, what? Like, what are you talking about? And now, they're saying, you could have Greenland to do anything you want, you want to dig for the minerals, please bring industry there. Nope, we need to own Greenland.

• 2:34:37Speaker 02

  And they don't know, and I don't know what to make of his, someone I saw on social media thinks he must be on the spectrum, because he's so fixated on this thing, that no one who's neurotypical has this kind of fixation. But what do you make of this whole Greenland thing?

• 2:34:50Joe Rogan?

  I don't understand it. Do you know they offered us Greenland in the 1920s?

• 2:34:53Speaker 02

  Right, okay, yeah. Was it too much money or something?

• 2:34:56Joe Rogan?

  How much was it? How much did they offer us Greenland for?

• 2:35:01Speaker 02

  But I don't blame them for being like, what is going on?

• 2:35:04Joe Rogan?

  It is crazy.

• 2:35:05Speaker 02

  It's right.

• 2:35:06Joe Rogan?

  So Denmark owns Greenland. Who's closer? Denmark or the United States? Then we should have it.

• 2:35:13Speaker 02

  Why shouldn't Canada have it then?

• 2:35:14Joe Rogan?

  No, fuck them.

• 2:35:18Speaker 02

  This is what it must be like in Denmark right now, where they're like, what do we say?

• 2:35:21Joe Rogan?

  Okay, did not offer itself to the United States in the 1920s. U.S. expressed interest in acquiring or basing in Greenland during that decade, but no formal offer came from Denmark. I thought there was negotiation.

• 2:35:33Speaker 02

  That's what it's saying, yeah.

• 2:35:34Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:35:35Speaker 02

  A land swap idea.

• 2:35:36Joe Rogan?

  Okay, for the U.S. Virgin Islands for 25 million. The U.S. bought the Danish West Indies, now U.S. Virgin Islands, for 25 million. What a deal. But affirmed Danish sovereignty over Greenland. 1920s U.S. Army General Billy Mitchell advocated for American air bases on Greenland and Iceland to expand air power, viewing them as strategically vital amid advancing technology. No purchase or secession offer emerged from Denmark. U.S. interests remained. Internal military advocacy without diplomatic action from Copenhagen.

• 2:36:10Speaker 02

  We just gotta give them a swap. We get Greenland, you get Puerto Rico.

• 2:36:14Joe Rogan?

  So in 1947, go back to that?

• 2:36:19Joe Rogan?

  1946, President Truman proposed 100 million in gold for Greenland. Rejected by Denmark amid Cold War tensions, U.S. gained defense rights via 1941 agreement during World War II occupation of Denmark. How interesting is that? Like, we've been interested in Greenland forever. Oh, it's right there. That's ours. We should take it.

• 2:36:39Speaker 03

  It's that fast, fast route to Russia.

• 2:36:42Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, because you have those straits on both sides.

• 2:36:47Speaker 02

  But the thing is, they're already saying, you could do whatever you want. Like, take a dump on it. We don't care. Like, we're happy to you to exploit it, please.

• 2:36:56Joe Rogan?

  That's kind of crazy.

• 2:36:57Speaker 02

  And he's like, nope, we gotta own it. It's like, but why?

• 2:37:00Joe Rogan?

  I guess he got it in his head that he could make it happen.

• 2:37:03Speaker 02

  But this is really, like, I don't, the thing is, they're getting freaked out in Europe, not because he's being this aggressive, I think, not just, but also because it's like, what are we missing? Like, you and I, like, what are we missing here?

• 2:37:15Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:37:15Speaker 02

  Like, what about Greenland? Would owning it change?

• 2:37:19Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:37:19Speaker 02

  You could do whatever you like. Put more bases. We love it.

• 2:37:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I don't know, man.

• 2:37:25Speaker 02

  You've hung out with him, what's he, is he have a screw loose?

• 2:37:29Joe Rogan?

  It's hard to say. I mean, I think anybody who wants to be president has a screw loose.

• 2:37:32Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 2:37:33Joe Rogan?

  And anybody who went through that guy, what that guy did.

• 2:37:35Speaker 02

  Sure, of course.

• 2:37:36Joe Rogan?

  What he went through over the last four years when Biden was in office, where they were trying to lock him up.

• 2:37:40Speaker 02

  What about when he was president, what they went through?

• 2:37:42Joe Rogan?

  Yep, the Russiagate stuff, yeah, all that stuff. It's kind of crazy. You would have to have a little bit of a screw loose, and now I think he's on a victory lap, for sure. But he also wants to get a lot of stuff done because he knows he only has one term, you know? And I think the Greenland thing, I understand the strategic implications, why you would want that. But I don't understand why you wouldn't just like, accept a deal.

• 2:38:07Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:38:07Joe Rogan?

  Where we could have bases there and use it strategically.

• 2:38:10Speaker 02

  And we do whatever we want. Here's the other thing, this is the other one that I don't understand. We go to Venezuela, we basically teleport Maduro out. Obviously, there's some kind of inside information, wherever, who knows? And then everyone just stops talking about it.

• 2:38:24Joe Rogan?

  I know, right?

• 2:38:25Speaker 02

  And it's just like...

• 2:38:25Joe Rogan?

  Well, the news cycle's crazy right now.

• 2:38:26Speaker 02

  But what is going on in Venezuela? Did they change the government? I don't think they did.

• 2:38:29Joe Rogan?

  They didn't change the government, but they got rid of the one guy that was a resistance. And a lot of people, like Kurt Metzger thinks that what's going to happen is, during the trial, they're going to reveal that Maduro was involved in rigging the 2020 election.

• 2:38:44Speaker 02

  The American 2020?

• 2:38:45Joe Rogan?

  Yes. Because there is some sort of a connection with Venezuela and the 2020 election and the voting machines.

• 2:38:53Speaker 02

  Wait, okay. I love Kurt. I was one of the people at his birthday party. When I say I love him, I mean, ironically and non-ironically, I think he's the best.

• 2:39:02Joe Rogan?

  I love him too.

• 2:39:03Speaker 02

  I don't see any route where they would need the theater of a trial to release this sort of information.

• 2:39:14Joe Rogan?

  Right. I agree. But I think that having him in America and making a deal with him, look bitch, we already kidnapped you. We killed all your guards.

• 2:39:23Speaker 02

  I think he's, I, if I could get, if I could, if I could out Kurt Kurt, I would bet this, I would bet a lot of money. I would not be surprised, I'm not gonna bet, that he's, this is already a deal. That they told him, either you come to jail with us, wink wink, or we'll take you out. And he's like, you know, fine, I'll retire in America. That would make more sense to me.

• 2:39:44Joe Rogan?

  Hmm. They did some wild stuff over there, like they used some sound weapon to like incapacitate everybody and they went and executed them all.

• 2:39:52Speaker 02

  Is that all, how much of that's confirmed?

• 2:39:53Joe Rogan?

  Not a single US soldier was shot.

• 2:39:55Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:39:56Joe Rogan?

  And everybody was down, like the people that are talking about it that were on the ground saying it was crazy, they shut off all the power.

• 2:40:02Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:40:02Joe Rogan?

  They shut off all the radar systems and then all of a sudden fucking helicopters, drones, everything was there. This sound weapon was used, everybody was incapacitated, they came in gunned down, like, well, how many people did they kill? I forget how many people they killed.

• 2:40:16Speaker 02

  A hundred, wasn't it?

• 2:40:17Joe Rogan?

  They killed a lot of people, but they killed them with no resistance.

• 2:40:20Speaker 02

  But I thought it was very clear that we had some kind of inside information.

• 2:40:23Joe Rogan?

  I'm sure we had that as well.

• 2:40:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, someone on the inside was like working with us in terms of where he is.

• 2:40:27Joe Rogan?

  I'm sure there was that as well, but there was this narrative.

• 2:40:30Speaker 02

  Photo of him getting arrested, I thought it was AI. Cause it looks so crazy ridiculous and if I went a year ago and said Trump's gonna arrest Maduro, I'm like, arrest him for what? It's just, like, I don't know what's real anymore.

• 2:40:43Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:40:44Speaker 03

  There's an article from The Guardian, uh, from November 2025.

• 2:40:50Joe Rogan?

  Okay, Trump's DOJ investigating unfounded claims.

• 2:40:55Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:40:55Joe Rogan?

  Venezuela helps steal 2020 election, like, so how do you know it's unfounded until you investigate? This is these fuckers.

• 2:41:01Speaker 02

  The Guardian's pretty bad with that kind of stuff.

• 2:41:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're gross.

• 2:41:04Speaker 03

  This stuff is where it's interesting, cause this guy works for the CIA, I think, and he has a quote down here where he says he doesn't deal with bullshit, kinda. I don't dabble.

• 2:41:11Joe Rogan?

  So he does, he thinks it's bullshit?

• 2:41:13Speaker 03

  Well, just, I was just trying to have you read it, cause.

• 2:41:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, he says, I don't dabble in conspiracy theories.

• 2:41:17Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, sure, you know, you're in the CIA?

• 2:41:19Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:41:19Joe Rogan?

  We don't dabble, we make them. Uh, okay, who knows? This is what Kurt believes, this is not my theory.

• 2:41:27Speaker 02

  Keep scrolling down, I wanna see what he's saying that Venezuela did.

• 2:41:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, what is their accusation?

• 2:41:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, keep scrolling down. I'm gonna see there's nothing about what they did.

• 2:41:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, that would be contributing to the conspiracy theory.

• 2:41:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, I guess.

• 2:41:41Joe Rogan?

  Mr. Malice.

• 2:41:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:41:43Joe Rogan?

  They don't want to do that in The Guardian.

• 2:41:47Joe Rogan?

  Who knows?

• 2:41:47Speaker 02

  Why would they need that?

• 2:41:49Joe Rogan?

  We'll find out. Another awesome chapter of Game of Thrones.

• 2:41:53Speaker 02

  I mean, I still don't understand. It was, a lot of people are butthurt correctly, that we shouldn't be doing regime change, but the regime didn't change.

• 2:42:04Joe Rogan?

  Right, we just got rid of one guy and kidnapped him and brought him to America.

• 2:42:08Speaker 02

  But like, if you get rid of Trump, Vance becomes president. You're not changing the government at all.

• 2:42:13Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:42:14Speaker 02

  So like, what are we doing here?

• 2:42:15Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 2:42:16Speaker 03

  Here's a discussion in the Journal of Democracy about how Maduro stole Venezuela's vote.

• 2:42:21Speaker 02

  That is very widely accepted as real.

• 2:42:24Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:42:25Speaker 03

  I'm seeing these key words that are popping out as like the same stuff I'm hearing in our election dispute. Ballot receipts, people checking voter polls.

• 2:42:35Speaker 03

  Later that evening, people saying that that's not what I did.

• 2:42:40Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:42:41Speaker 02

  The other question is what's going on with Iran?

• 2:42:44Joe Rogan?

  Well, it looks like we're about to go in.

• 2:42:45Speaker 02

  Are we? Are you sure?

• 2:42:46Joe Rogan?

  Well, they're preparing.

• 2:42:48Speaker 02

  But I mean, that's always, it's great to shake your fist.

• 2:42:50Joe Rogan?

  Shadow, yeah, saber rattling.

• 2:42:53Speaker 02

  So it's like, like, it's... I feel like all of us are like looking around being like, what's happened?

• 2:43:01Joe Rogan?

  What the fuck is going on? Yeah, every day. Every day is what the fuck is going on?

• 2:43:05Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:43:05Joe Rogan?

  And you're just trying to like live a normal life.

• 2:43:07Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:43:08Joe Rogan?

  Which is what everybody really wants, but they're preventing you from doing that with constantly being assaulted by new information that scares the shit out of you.

• 2:43:15Speaker 02

  And it's also, there's no context for us to understand this. Like, we understand the Saddam situation, right? You go in, you conquer a country, kill a lot of people, it's a nightmare bloodbath that was unnecessary, Saddam gets hanged. We know that story. Like, we're just gonna come in, pull out one guy who's the president, and leave.

• 2:43:31Joe Rogan?

  And his wife.

• 2:43:32Speaker 02

  And his wife, and everything will go back. It's just like... I remember the Democrats were like, uh, what do we say to this? This has never happened before.

• 2:43:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't know, man. I'm just overwhelmed. This, I think I share the feeling that most Americans have right now, where just every day you're like, what the fuck is going on?

• 2:43:49Speaker 02

  But I feel like it's escalating. It wasn't this crazy during his first term.

• 2:43:54Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no. The world is escalating.

• 2:43:56Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:43:56Joe Rogan?

  What is this? Venezuelan oil gets...

• 2:44:00Joe Rogan?

  Get shipped to Israel for the first time in years. Oh, boy.

• 2:44:04Speaker 03

  That happened last week. So I was just looking up, we assume control of the country, I think, in somewhere.

• 2:44:09Joe Rogan?

  Did we? Like, I think we got their oil, right?

• 2:44:12Speaker 03

  They found a better way to have people run it, but I don't know that.

• 2:44:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, that was the other thing that Trump said. What are we gonna do with the oil tanker? We're gonna keep it.

• 2:44:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like, what, what? Like, how do we get to do this? Like, if you are...

• 2:44:23Joe Rogan?

  They're sending the oil to Israel.

• 2:44:27Speaker 02

  So Venezuela's saying it's fake?

• 2:44:29Joe Rogan?

  Venezuela plans to send its first shipment of crude oil to Israel in 17 years, part of opening up the country's exports following the US abduction of President Nicolas Maduro.

• 2:44:38Speaker 03

  I did have to go to probably not a great source, the Middle East. I don't know.

• 2:44:42Speaker 02

  Well, Bloomberg's a rep.

• 2:44:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, but that's the one I couldn't get past the thing.

• 2:44:47Joe Rogan?

  But it seems like it's the same story.

• 2:44:48Speaker 02

  Jerusalem Post, yeah, they're not gonna be lying about this stuff.

• 2:44:50Joe Rogan?

  First shipment to Israel.

• 2:44:52Speaker 02

  Well, I think all they're saying is they've restored relations between Venezuela and Israel.

• 2:44:55Joe Rogan?

  Well, they probably control relations now. It's essentially, the US is probably in control of their oil distribution.

• 2:45:01Speaker 02

  Oh, I think that's explicit, isn't it?

• 2:45:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:45:04Speaker 02

  But it's still like...

• 2:45:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, that was the other thing, is bringing in all these companies, they're all gonna do. But apparently, their oil is like, very difficult to acquire.

• 2:45:11Speaker 02

  Is that right?

• 2:45:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, their oil is not like, simple like Texas oil, dig a hole in the ground, pull it out. It's like, it's all... It has to be processed with all these chemicals. It's apparently like the consistency of asphalt.

• 2:45:24Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:45:24Joe Rogan?

  And it has to be broken down. It's very expensive. This is why, was it the CEO of Exxon, one of the companies said that it would never work?

• 2:45:35Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 2:45:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that the infrastructure's not in place. You know, and then Trump was upset at him for being a negative dancy.

• 2:45:41Speaker 02

  I just, I, I think anytime you start to... Did he really? Whenever you start talking about regime change, that's something that's very scary.

• 2:45:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:45:51Speaker 02

  Historically.

• 2:45:51Joe Rogan?

  And always turns bad.

• 2:45:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:45:53Joe Rogan?

  Like Libya and all these other places.

• 2:45:55Speaker 02

  Iran?

• 2:45:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Iran, Iraq, yeah.

• 2:45:57Speaker 02

  So it's just like...

• 2:45:59Joe Rogan?

  It's never good.

• 2:46:00Speaker 02

  Like, yeah, but then at the same time, we're like, what do we, what do we do? Like, what's Plan B, Gavin Newsom? Do you know what I mean?

• 2:46:08Joe Rogan?

  What's he gonna do?

• 2:46:09Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 2:46:10Joe Rogan?

  Senior Trump administration officials have vowed to maintain control of Venezuelan oil exports for an indefinite period. Indefinite is weird, in quotes. Secretary of State Marco Rubio claiming that the Venezuelan acting government headed by Delcy Rodriguez needs to submit a budget request before accessing the country's oil proceeds. Whoa.

• 2:46:34Joe Rogan?

  So, we just took over Venezuela, essentially.

• 2:46:36Speaker 02

  Yeah. No, we just took over their oil.

• 2:46:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but also the country.

• 2:46:40Speaker 02

  No, but aren't the people still being oppressed as hell?

• 2:46:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but the government essentially is like, we're running that government.

• 2:46:46Speaker 02

  I don't think we are, though.

• 2:46:47Joe Rogan?

  We probably tell them what they can and can't do.

• 2:46:49Speaker 02

  No, I think that's the thing, that they're still...

• 2:46:51Joe Rogan?

  It's just the oil.

• 2:46:51Speaker 02

  Right. Can I talk about something fun?

• 2:46:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:46:56Speaker 02

  I am finishing a project I've been working on for 25 years.

• 2:46:59Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:47:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, so I'm excited to talk to you about it.

• 2:47:02Joe Rogan?

  What is it?

• 2:47:03Speaker 02

  So, there was this band from the 80s who were called Rubber Rodeo that combined punk and country, right? And I was looking at this compilation that I got in 1994. I sent Jamie the picture. And I was staring at this photo, trying to make heads or tails of this band, because... Can you pull it up?

• 2:47:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:47:24Speaker 02

  You'll show you the photo, you'll see what I mean by it. Because they're a bunch of kids in these, like, kind of, um, square dancing uniforms with no affect on their face whatsoever. And the singer, she's in this Dolly Parton wig and this big square dancing dress and just staring right at the viewer. I'm like, are they joking? Like, what's up with these people? And I met them, and they were art school kids. They were not joking. They were... There it is, that photo. So, you see, I'm staring... I'm like, are they kidding? Are they not kidding? No, her name's Trish.

• 2:47:56Joe Rogan?

  And this is from the 80s?

• 2:47:56Speaker 02

  This is from the 80s. They got signed the same day as Bon Jovi by the same guy. And he said, "I'm taking you both to number one." So, I wrote a screenplay about them, because it's kind of like a Spinal Tap story, because they're on stage at punk clubs doing jokes like, "Hey, Bob, I'm exhausted. Why are you exhausted, Bob? Oh, the couple in the next hotel room were up all night eating candy bars." Candy bars? Yeah, she kept yelling, "Oh, Henry, oh, Henry." Right? So, it's this complete, like, what are you even doing here? But the guy who did the keyboards for the band did the animation for American Splendor.

• 2:48:34Speaker 02

  And through him, I met Harvey Pekar, who later wrote a book about me in 2006.

• 2:48:39Joe Rogan?

  Is he that guy that went nuts on Letterman?

• 2:48:43Speaker 02

  I'm so glad you know who Harvey is.

• 2:48:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:48:46Speaker 02

  So Harvey started the idea-

• 2:48:47Joe Rogan?

  He's a comic book guy, right?

• 2:48:48Speaker 02

  Right. He started the idea of writing autobiographical comics in the 70s. From off the streets of Cleveland, here comes American splendor. It's an ironic title because his life was not exactly very splendid. He was a file clerk, kind of a miserable person. He hated being called a curmudgeon. And amazingly, when the film came out in 2000 and, was it 2000? I think it was something like that, 2001. The, he flew back to New York to do Stern. And the producer of the film, Ted Hope, sent out an email that said, Harvey's in town with nothing to do. If you want to hang out with him, this is your chance. And I'm the only person who took him up on it. And I go there and he's on his bed and he, spoiler alert,

• 2:49:32Speaker 02

  he died in 2010 on my birthday, which was not a fun email to get. Anyway, and he's like, yeah, he's got this really weird way of talking. He's like, I'm really fucked up, man. And I pointed out to him, since everything in his life was a disaster, his movie got a wide release, The Weekend of the Blackout. There was this big fucking blackout. He's like, oh, god damn it. And that was the weekend I had a fish tank. And I'm trying to keep them alive with no electricity and it did not work out. So he wrote a book about me and that screenplay fell by the wayside. But, because it's kind of like Spinal Tap. You know, it's this kind of funny story about, you know, when you're young and anyone out there who's listening to this, when you're young, go for it. Be stupid. If you're gonna fail, it's okay.

• 2:50:17Speaker 02

  It's still something exciting to try and to do, which they certainly did. And I'm like, wait a minute, this converts to a graphic novel very easily. There's a guy named Eric July, who has this whole kind of empire. He did a Kickstarter. He made like a million for his first one. It's called The Ripper Verse. And now they're at a point where you don't have to go through DC or Marvel to produce your product. So I'm super excited about it. Again, I started this in 2000. And now it's finally, 26 years later, coming to fruition, so.

• 2:50:48Joe Rogan?

  Awesome.

• 2:50:49Speaker 02

  Unwantedbook.com.

• 2:50:50Joe Rogan?

  All right.

• 2:50:50Speaker 02

  I'm just really, kinda, it's very intense, this, because here's the other thing. What I, I was at Gold's, and I had basically what was the opposite of a nervous breakdown, where all the parts of my brain slid into place, where I realized, this story I wrote in 2001, what happens if you do all these things, try to be original and go nowhere? Like, those are my fears, when I was starting out. What if I end up like them, have nothing to show for it? And 25 years later, that experience been run, you know, I could pay my rent, as a kinda creative person, and if they were around today, they could probably pay their rent, because it's much easier, as a band, to kinda build an audience, but it's a very funny story, but it's also a very dark one, and it's largely true.

• 2:51:34Joe Rogan?

  All right.

• 2:51:35Speaker 02

  So, I'm just stoked that I get to-

• 2:51:36Joe Rogan?

  We'll end it on a happy note.

• 2:51:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:51:38Joe Rogan?

  Thanks, buddy.

• 2:51:39Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 2:51:39Joe Rogan?

  Always good to see you.

• 2:51:40Speaker 02

  Always a pleasure.

• 2:51:41Joe Rogan?

  Congratulations on the face pink.

• 2:51:42Speaker 02

  Wait, please, to the next one.

• 2:51:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no. Bye, everybody.

• 2:51:46Speaker 02

  Bye-bye.

• 2:52:01Speaker 06

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• 2:52:44Speaker 06

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• 2:53:23Speaker 06

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• 2:53:31Speaker 00

  Welcome to the 50th Hunger Games.

• 2:53:33Joe Rogan?

  Witness the beginning of the revolution. Hey Mitch, you've been trying to take down these games from Star. Film for IMAX. Make them remember you. The Hunger Games: Sunrise on the Leaping, November 20th, made in PG-13.