Bonus Episode – Upcoming Episodes, the Diddy Trial, and More Mount Rushmore

This week in the After Party, Jake takes a look at the upcoming slate of episodes in Disgraceland and hears from you on the Diddy trial, Phish, and more. Next week, we're presenting our episode on the Go-Gos, and Jake wants to know: Are the Go-Gos the greatest "girl group" of all time? If not, who is? Tell Jake at 617-906-6638, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ mailto:[email protected], or on socials @disgracelandpod. For more great Disgraceland episodes, dive into our extensive archive, including such episodes as: Episode 138 - ⁠Merle Haggard⁠ https://www.disgracelandpod.com/138/merle-haggard Episode 117 - ⁠50 Cent⁠ https://www.disgracelandpod.com/117/50-cent Episode 157 - ⁠Serge Gainsbourg⁠ https://www.disgracelandpod.com/157/serge-gainsbourg Episode 140 -⁠ The Velvet Underground⁠ https://www.disgracelandpod.com/140/velvet-underground Episode ⁠122⁠ https://www.disgracelandpod.com/122/lou-reed-pt-1 and ⁠123⁠ https://www.disgracelandpod.com/123/lou-reed-pt-2 - Lou Reed To hear an extended version of the After Party and unlock access to a monthly exclusive episode and ad free listening, become a Disgraceland All Access member at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠disgracelandpod.com/membership.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://disgracelandpod.com/membership. Visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.disgracelandpod.com/merch⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.disgracelandpod.com/merch to see the latest Disgraceland merch! Sign up for our newsletter and get the inside dirt on events, merch and other awesomeness - ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠GET THE NEWSLETTER⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://mailchi.mp/doubleelvis/disgraceland-email-newsletter Follow Jake and DISGRACELAND: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.instagram.com/disgracelandpod/ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/@disgracelandpod ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠X⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://twitter.com/disgracelandpod (formerly Twitter) To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 2:14Jake Brennan?

  Hey Discos. Need a little more DisgraceLand in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to DisgraceLand: The Afterparty.

• 2:41Jake Brennan?

  Welcome to the DisgraceLand bonus episode. A little thing we like to call the afterparty. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of DisgraceLand to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking about this week's episode's subject, Basquiat. We are previewing the coming Go-Go's episode, talking about our upcoming slate of new subjects, and we get into your voicemails, text, DMs, emails, and as always, a whole lot of rosy. All right, Discos, let's get into it.

• 3:26Jake Brennan?

  If I could do anything in the world for a job, it would be this. It would be to get up in the morning, make a cup of coffee, sit in my comfortable chair in my office, my dog at my feet, put some John Coltrane on, on that turntable of mine, and just write. And that turntable is vintage. It's 1964. And so are the subjects that I write about. They're vintage. And that often means that there's a limited audience for some of these subjects, but I'm okay with that. I don't care. It's what I'm into. And I know you guys are into it as well. I have an audience for what I write. And this is something that any writer would be blessed to have. I mean, it's, it's not just that there's an audience for DisgraceLand, but I get to come and I get to talk to you every week here in the afterparty.

• 4:11Jake Brennan?

  You guys talk to me, you call me, you send me texts, talk on DMs, all that. It's beyond my wildest dreams, or beyond, it was, it is beyond the wildest dreams that I had as a kid thinking about what I would do when I, when I grew up. And here I am. Stories that I write, as you guys know, they're dubbed music and true crime here in Disgrace Land, but really, the true crime bit, it's always been a bit of a Trojan horse. Disgrace Land, as you know, is really a music history series. The hook, I guess, if you want to call it that, is that I tell you guys these stories through the lens of true crime, which makes, in my estimation, these stories more interesting, not only for you, but for me too. And like you guys, I've

• 4:55Jake Brennan?

  always been uninterested in the conventional stories. Not always, I should say. There was a time that I wasn't, I was interested. That was a long time ago. Cause like you, I devoured the conventional stories when I was a kid. Thankfully, with time, we've been afforded the luxury of numerous artists' autobiographies, tell-alls, documentaries, troves of information, where well-sourced, alternative stories have emerged. I don't like that phrase, "alternative", but I don't, I don't have another, another word for it. There's, we've talked about this a lot. I'm not going to beat a dead horse, but there's the sort of accepted artist narrative in most

• 5:35Jake Brennan?

  cases. And then there's all of this other storytelling that springs up around these artists, around the history of these artists, from the people who knew them, sometimes from the artists themselves. And these stories are far more interesting. And because they present different sides of these subjects that we've, we love, we've grown to love at least. And as you're well aware, it gives us a new view into the past, a new, more dramatic, more exciting look at music history. I tell you all this because I'm really excited about what's coming in the next few weeks. We're bringing you some of our best episodes yet, new episodes from music

• 6:17Jake Brennan?

  history, unconventional stories from music history that either have not been told yet in podcasting, or if they have been told, I promise you that they have not been told the way that we are going to tell them. And that's a big thing here too. You know, it's like, we're messing with a new medium here with podcasting. It's still new, even though it's been around for, going on two decades at this point, I think. But we're using this new medium to tell these stories in a different way. So yeah, you can go on YouTube and you can find the story of Bjork or Marilyn Manson or whomever, but you're not going to find the story told the way that we're going to tell you in this podcast. Okay. So the new stories we have coming up, they either haven't been told at all, they haven't

• 7:01Jake Brennan?

  been told in podcasting, or they have been told, again, I promise you, they have not been told the way that we're going to tell them. The Disgrace Land feed going forward, gonna be a little bit different. The Icon series is officially over with this most recent Basquiat episode. Okay, from now on, all non-music subjects will be featured in their own feed. Episodes on actors and actresses and Hollywood and true crime will only be found in the Hollywoodland podcast feed, which if you're not subscribed and following, now's your chance. But back to Disgrace Land, the coming week's news stories are going to be about The Go-Go's, okay? A band that was birthed in a city referred to at the time as the serial killer capital of the world. Very true crime-y this episode.

• 7:44Jake Brennan?

  Marilyn Manson, we have an episode on Marilyn Manson coming up. This could have been seriously five episodes. Manson is an artist who's, what I discovered when I was researching this, the inhumanity of this guy, okay? The inhumanity, that's the theme of this Manson episode. At times, it was not just shocking, it was incomprehensible. And the most, I keep, we keep running into this, the most shocking part, okay? The most shocking part about the Marilyn Manson story is that the artist himself documented most of this inhumane behavior in graphic detail. And we're going to bring that to you and we're going to hang it on the theme of inhumanity

• 8:28Jake Brennan?

  and we're going to, we're going to merge it with the past few years, past decade plus, I guess, of sexual abuse allegations against Marilyn Manson and what, what came of those allegations. Pretty incredible story. I can't wait to talk to you guys about it. Bjork, this is another one. Now, this is one where, this is one of those stories where you might hear what the story's about and you might go, wow, I had no fucking idea that happened. How did I miss that? Or you just as easily might hear what this story is about and you might say to yourself, that's old news. I've heard that before. I know about that. I saw 14 YouTube videos about it. But again, you have not heard our version of it. All right. And what we are going to do with it in audio and it's going to be different.

• 9:13Jake Brennan?

  Bjork, a truly one of a kind artist whose life and career ran up against one of the most deranged music fans of all time. That's coming in a couple of weeks. The Who, okay, we did an episode on The Who back in the day was really a Keith Moon episode. We had to do that. Keith Moon is such a larger than life, rock and roll history character. But what we did not do in that episode is get to the story about The Who, a band being at the center of one of the greatest tragedies in rock and roll history. So we're going to do that in the next coming weeks. Also, episodes on the replacements, Mark Lanigan, Phish, Kendrick Lamar, The Runaways, Pentagram, Mia Zappata from The Gits,

• 9:56Jake Brennan?

  Nikki Sixx, and so many more. They are all coming in the weeks and months ahead. And I couldn't be more excited. A lot of those subjects that I just read to you came from you guys directly. They were, they were suggested by you guys, either via email, text, voicemail, in the Patreon chat. And we tried really over the next few months to produce episodes that you guys have specifically asked for. So you're going to start to see those rolling out. You're going to be getting four new full episodes of DisgraceLand every month, plus the bonus after-party episode every week. As always, we're going to be rewinding archive episodes weekly, once over the weekend. Sometimes they're two-parters, you know, if it's a two-part episode, you're going to get, you know,

• 10:40Jake Brennan?

  two of those episodes. And sometimes, you know, as we release our new episodes, like the Nikki Sixx one, for example, that we get coming up, we're going to drop that Motley Crue episode in there next to it and create our own new two-parter, I guess you could say. So many of these artists that we've covered, we do 30-minute episodes, as you know. There's only so much you can get to. And some of these stories, for example, the story of Nikki Sixx dying, that could be its own episode in and of itself. We got to it in the Motley Crue episode. We spent about 500 words on it, maybe. And it just deserves more. So we're gonna start sprinkling those types of episodes in as we go here as well. You saw a little bit of that over the past month with Van Halen and Prince. Now, this week, next in your feed, we're

• 11:24Jake Brennan?

  rewinding our episode on Gigi Allen. New listeners, you're like, who the hell is Gigi Allen? I don't, I've never heard this name before, or maybe it sounds vaguely familiar. If you have not heard this episode from our archive previously, get ready, okay? It might be the most shocking episode in our archive, quite possibly the most shocking artists in music history. And I'm talking about all of music history, going back to the depraved composers, everything. Old listeners, give this, give this one a new spin. All right? It's gonna make you feel dirty, bring some soap. Next week, speaking of dirty, you might not associate that word with the Go-Go's, all bright and sunny

• 12:05Jake Brennan?

  and LA and 80s neon. However, that was not at the core of who this band was. These women, in addition to being an incredible band, they were also as debaucherous as they come. And this story is wild. We go way beyond the documentary that came out a couple of years ago. And I'm pretty sure you're gonna get a fuller, wilder depiction of the band in this upcoming episode next week, as well as a darker look at the time and place that spawned the group. Los Angeles in the Go-Go's episode is almost its own character in the story. The Go-Go's, they did something, it's worth mentioning here in advance, they did something that no other group of female musicians had ever done before. And you're gonna hear about it in the episode. And that is

• 12:47Jake Brennan?

  gonna prompt the question of the week. So when you're listening to the Go-Go's episode, be asking yourself, are the Go-Go's the greatest girl group of all time? And if they are not, then tell me who is? 617-906-6638. Voicemail and text with your answers, and you can be part of the show. I'll respond in next week's after-party episode with your calls and messages as always. So lots of great content coming your way, guys. I'm excited to be turning this page. Feels like we're turning a page in disgrace, and I'm super grateful to have you with me as always along for the ride. Some of you have been with me since 2018. You don't know what that means. That is huge. Thank you. And new

• 13:27Jake Brennan?

  listeners, thank you. Damn, man. It's wild to be doing this for so long. And every single week I hear from new listeners who are excited about this show. I appreciate you as well. Much gratitude. Hang with me here for a minute. I'm gonna be back on the other side of the break with your answers to last week's question of the week, your voicemails, texts, emails, and more.

• 13:56Jake Brennan?

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• 16:05Jake Brennan?

  All right, we are back. 617-906-6638. You know where I'm at. I'm in the phone booth. It's the one across the hall. I'm hanging on the telephone like Debbie Harry. By the way, I still, I cannot get over the amount of people who message me and tell me that Debbie Harry is a liar, that Debbie Harry was not abducted by Ted Bundy, as she claims. It is shocking to me and it is shocking to me that they just claimed that it has, it's been debunked. It has not been debunked. Okay. You don't know what the hell you're talking about. Define debunked. Okay. The person who said it happened to her continues to say it happened to her despite the weak, weak sauce evidence that it has not. Okay.

• 16:48Jake Brennan?

  Anyways, Debbie Harry inspired this segment, Hanging on the Telephone. 617-906-6638. Let's go to the 818.

• 16:56Speaker 01

  Hey Jake, this is Ken from the 818. Thank you so much for doing an episode about an artist and not just musicians. I can't believe more people don't know who Basquiat is. He's art world famous. 90% of the public doesn't know who he is, even though he's the biggest name. For artists who had a second act, Bob Dylan, I know he's not exactly not doing music, but he's got a lot of amazing artwork. And a lot of artists, musicians, do their own artwork. Thom Yorke, worked with Stanley Donwood, has done all of the album covers for Radiohead. Another guy, Nathaniel Russell, kind of underground guy, has done a lot of posters and stuff like that.

• 17:41Speaker 01

  Anyway, thank you so much. Take care. Bye.

• 17:43Jake Brennan?

  Ken from the 818. Great, great voicemail. You encompassed a lot of the topics we've been talking about here over the last couple of weeks. Yeah, Basquiat massively famous in the art world. Culturally, very, he's been very relevant. I would say in a different, new, in a bigger kind of way with a, with a, with a more pronounced relevance over the last decade or so, at least here in the States. And yeah, we, I wanted to get into Basquiat because, because of that relevance, but also because of that wild CIA story. And also because there's a music connection. And that was really the driving factor there. The way music influenced Basquiat. Basquiat was obviously a musician, you know, he considered

• 18:25Jake Brennan?

  himself a musician before he did an artist at some point. I know he's always, he was always a graffiti artist and a visual artist, but music was a big part of his come up.

• 18:35Jake Brennan?

  As for Bob Dylan as an artist, I've seen some of Dylan's art and I gotta say, I don't hate it. I like it. I haven't seen enough. I didn't know that about Thom Yorke. Thank you. I didn't realize that Thom Yorke was involved with the artwork for the Radiohead albums. That's pretty awesome. All right, let's go to the 317.

• 18:55Speaker 01

  Hey, Diesel from Indianapolis. I'm just, I was a little disappointed that I didn't even get a mention about my Mount Rushmore with the, you know, Django and Robert Johnson and the earlier, some of the earlier guys and disabled guys. You know, our real Mount Rushmore is, you know, some founding fathers, early guys, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Lincoln, you know, was later on. But anyway, it's no worries, man. I still love the show.

• 19:32Speaker 01

  Keep doing it. Like I mentioned, I was, I'm blind, but I could really use a coffee cup, brother.

• 19:44Jake Brennan?

  Diesel, my man from Indianapolis, thank you for the message. I didn't hear the original one that you sent, or read it if you texted it. Apologize, I don't get to all of them within the week. I try to get to them all at some point. But I'm seeing this now, hearing this now, and I wanted to respond because Django needs to be mentioned, and Robert Johnson needs to be mentioned as well. And, you know, I don't know how many of you are familiar with Robert Johnson, his guitar playing, his music. Just the first time I ever heard it, I heard it in high school. I was driven to listen to it because the Led Zeppelin box set came out, and the only new song on the box set was Travelin' Riverside

• 20:24Jake Brennan?

  Blues, which was a cover of Robert Johnson. And I went and I was right around the time, I think, there was a Robert Johnson box set that came out. So there was kind of a resurgence of Johnson going on similarly. Anyways, I heard that version of the song. I think that was the first Robert Johnson piece I'd ever heard. And as I got deeper into the catalog, it struck me, when I was listening to him play guitar, it sounded like, literally like three different guitars at points. Definitely two throughout most of it. And I just could not believe what the hell I was hearing, or how he was doing it. Now I have a technical understanding of what he was doing. I can't do it, but I have an understanding of how he was doing it, at least. But then to my ears, it just sounded like, how is one man

• 21:07Jake Brennan?

  making all of this sound? And as far as influence goes, Diesel, you're absolutely right. I almost said, I almost said George Jefferson. Robert Johnson deserves to be on the Mount Rushmore, of course. And Django as well, you mentioned Disabled Guys, Tony Iommi as well, didn't get a mention. But I just wanted to get at you here, get back to you, Diesel. I appreciate the listens. Thanks so much. Appreciate the call as well. You have great taste in guitar players. All right, let's go to the 405.

• 21:37Speaker 07

  Hey Jake, from Troy, it's RDG from the 405. I listened to one of your after-parties, and you spoke on something that's near and dear to my own heart. That is trial by jury, more specifically, we're talking about the Diddy trial. Obviously, you discussed how hard it was to listen to, or how you've read how it's so hard to listen to the testimony. But I do want to point out, though, that for the reader, they are not the juror, they are not There in the courtroom day after day, there's a bit of a psychological aspect to it in which the jury becomes somewhat conditioned as to what is normal for some people. The real truth will start to come out through the crucible of cross-examination. Again, there is a huge psychological aspect of sitting in the jury, listening to the testimony and what comes out on cross-examination.

• 22:21Speaker 07

  Should the defense present any defense, should they call any witnesses? It will shape the trial tremendously. Again, not trying to take sides for Diddy or anyone else in this aspect, but there is a certain psychological aspect to it. And the other aspect is for some people who are victims, there are many people who embrace it to the point where it becomes their identity. They want to be the spokesman, they want to do the newspaper articles, they want to do the magazine covers, and they are not so much as playing the victim as it gave them a sense of identity. And again, I am not trying to disparage anyone who's been abused, but by all means, there's such a psychological aspect, especially that comes to matters of sexual accusations, sexual misconduct, sexual abuse.

• 23:04Speaker 07

  It does shape a lot of things, but also, you know, everybody does have their own freaks, and to each their own. Oh, I don't like what I'm reading, you know, you gotta wait for the jury to finish. Thanks, Jake. Rock and roll.

• 23:18Jake Brennan?

  Appreciate the call. Notorious RDG over in the 405. Where is the 405? Wow, a lot there, a lot to unpack, but you hit on something that I'd never really thought of before because I'm not a legal expert by any means. Sounds like you are, you have some real insight into this, into the process. I guess it makes total sense that a jury throughout the course of a trial, an ongoing trial like this would have a level of disassociation where they can sort of remove themselves emotionally from the testimony, both the more difficult parts of the testimony, both in cross-examination

• 23:59Jake Brennan?

  and when the defense is and when the prosecution is questioning. I never thought of that. To me, I'm just going into it as a layperson and I'm reading what's being put forth, what's happening in the trial, and I'm shocked at first blush. And of course, you're absolutely right. I can totally see how the jury would have a completely different experience.

• 24:25Jake Brennan?

  And that's good. That's obviously a good thing. We want all of our defendants, no matter how horrible their alleged crimes to have, uh, get a fair shake at a fair jury, at a fair trial. However, that said, um, there is so much existing evidence already out in the world for Diddy right now. And although I have no idea what the jury's thinking, I have no idea how effective of a defense, uh, Diddy's team will mount. I, uh, I have many thoughts on this trial and they're, they're all competing. And on the one hand,

• 25:05Jake Brennan?

  like we talked about last week, the, the details are disgusting. On the, another thought I have is, is I just, though he claims to be innocent, I do not believe that he is innocent. Now I'm not saying he's guilty of everything they're saying he's guilty of, but the guy on a certain level is a fucking monster and nothing that happens in this trial is going to make me think otherwise. Um, we just have too, too much evidence. The, the evidence of him beating Cassie is, is gross, full stop, but he's on trial for much more than that. And I don't know if it's all going to stick. I guess we're going to find out. And you said something really interesting in here, R, R G B. You said, should the defense present any, any defense and call

• 25:46Jake Brennan?

  any witnesses, it'll shape the trial tremendously. You're right. It will. However, I don't think it's going to shape it tremendously in favor of Sean Combs. I could be wrong. Now I just want to say the final thought that I'm, I'm working toward here with Sean Combs as this trial unfolds. One, it is not capturing the moment the way that I thought it would. I, I expected this to be OJ Simpson light. I, it's not even that. And people are interested. They're not that interested. And yeah, I know Tik Tok's on fire every day with trial news and all of that, but this is not capturing the zeitgeist, the way that a real trial of the century captures the zeitgeist.

• 26:30Jake Brennan?

  So that's kind of shocking to me. And I think the reason isn't just because television cameras are not allowed. I think that's a big part of it, but I just think people are desensitized to this whole thing. We had such a lead up. We had so much, so much conjecture. Now on that

• 26:47Jake Brennan?

  The other thought I'm coming to is I don't think we're gonna get any blockbuster news out of this. I think we know what we know based on the indictments. We may get a couple surprises based on the witnesses. I read this morning, I think the kid Cuddy is gonna testify, but I think this is gonna be a relatively non-newsy trial of the century, not even a trial of the century. I could be wrong, and we shall see. Alright, anyways, thank you for the call 405 NotoriousRDG. You prompted a lot there. I appreciate you. 617-906-6638. You guys wanna send me a voicemail, send me a text. 405 sent in a picture of a Basque

• 27:27Jake Brennan?

  yacht hanging in their office. I'm gonna assume 405 that this is a print and not an actual Basque yacht. If it is, then I direct you to our Patreon. Just kidding, that's cool. How big is that? I can't really tell. 437. Hey Jake, to answer the question, who are the artists that represent their times the best? The Fugees, The Red Hot Chili Peppers, The Strokes, The Killers, TV on the Radio, Tricky, Rage Against the Machine, Tribe Called Quest, Salt and Pepper, Biggie Smalls, Tanya. Tanya, I quibble with some of your responses here. Um, Salt and Pepper, that's an interesting one. I like it, though. Body Like Arnold with

• 28:08Jake Brennan?

  a Denzel face. I'll never forget that. 920 writes in with some suggestions. Rage Against the Machine episode, Faith No More, Skid Row, Warrant, Warrant, Warrant, Anthrax, Dokken, Winger, Poison, Queensryche, and Suicidal Tendencies. Listen, um, the hair metal thing, right? I'm gonna get more, I'm gonna do some hair metal episodes at some point. Not my cup of tea, not my particular cup of tea. Didn't somebody from Dokken die from AIDS? Or am I, am I mistaken? Hold on, that feels like something I need to get right. I'm gonna look that up. No, it was not Dokken. I apologize. I'm confusing that with Rat guitarist Robin

• 28:49Jake Brennan?

  Crosby did die of AIDS. Yikes. There's also Def Leppard. I wanna do that story as well. The Rick Allen thing with the arm. 617-906-6638. You guys got some episode subjects. We're taking them. We're always taking them, always. Voicemail and text at DisgraceLandPod, Instagram, X and Facebook. Ian Brewer Ian9 over on X.

• 29:14Jake Brennan?

  Writes in garage. And you know, if you know, you know, thanks, Ian. Yusuf Nagib on Instagram writes in, right on, I'm eagerly anticipating the Bjork episode. Melissa Kohler writes, let's fucking go in response to the episode subjects we laid out. I just want to say also a special shout out to Lou from Sick of It All, who is cancer free. And that is a great thing. Lou, of course, is the singer of Sick of It All, one of the greatest hardcore bands of all time. Happy for you, Lou. Godspeed. Big congratulations to Justin G over on Instagram. His son is graduating

• 29:54Jake Brennan?

  high school and Justin's psyched. Justin is also old, as Justin indicates to me. Started late with the kids. Says his son is a rock and roll animal. Trenton, his son. Congratulations, Trenton. Congratulations, Justin. There you go. At disgracedlandpod on Instagram, on X, on Facebook. You guys want to get in touch? And that includes you Pirates fans. You know, Red Sox aren't great, but the Pirates, I feel like all they got is the hat. That's it. That's when all you have is a hat, a cool hat to cling to. It's tough, you know, but you're in Pittsburgh. Okay. You have other options. I'm getting that pillbox hat for my kid. Thanks for everyone who brought that to my attention. The name that is pillbox hat. Best hat in the game. What am I doing here? I can't see

• 30:39Jake Brennan?

  what's what's happening? What's the recording software is doing? What, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, ah. I don't normally spend a lot of time talking about sports. But we do have a little, a little 30 minute sports segment here in the after party and that that Pirates hat is on my brain. And I just want to say, tell the Red Sox fans out there, the Red Sox have won the last three games against two of which were against the Mets, who are arguably the best team in baseball at the moment. And the Red Sox beat the Mets twice. They beat the Braves before that. Braves are about as mediocre as the Red Sox are. So whatever. But there's a common denominator amongst those wins. And it is the fact

• 31:22Jake Brennan?

  that Alex Cora, the manager of the Red Sox, thrown out of the game last night and was absent from the two games prior. I don't know. I don't know what that means. I don't know. I'm just putting it out there. You guys tell me. All right. I'll be back in the flash with your emails and the Hollywood land minute.

• 31:56Jake Brennan?

  All right, we are back and you know what time it is. It is time for the Hollywood land minute brought to you by the Hollywood land podcast. Don't know what the Hollywood land podcast is. Well, the Hollywood land podcast is hosted by me. Every week I tell you a story from the annex of Hollywood and true crime. And right now we got over 40 episodes waiting for you. Episodes on Charlie Sheen, Danny Trejo, Marilyn Monroe, a whole bunch, Drew Barrymore. And we got one this week on Jack Nicholson, one of the coolest guys to ever do the whole Hollywood thing. Also involved in some pretty fucked up things from Hollywood history. And here's a clip.

• 32:36Jake Brennan?

  The Boston Garden was electric. Thousands of fans on their feet screaming at the top of their lungs. Green and white rally towels flapping in the humid air. Sneakers up and down the parquet floor. Kareem Abdul Jabbar wiped the sweat from his goggles. Larry Bird thought about how good the first three Budweisers were gonna taste. And from a private box high above the action. Jack Nicholson was yelling. He was always yelling at Lakers games. And Jack Nicholson didn't miss Lakers games.

• 33:08Jake Brennan?

  He caught them courtside at the Forum in LA. He'd been the team's most vocal season ticket holder since the early seventies. But he couldn't be courtside because he was on set. He'd do everything in his power to wrap production early so that he could catch the action on a TV set in his trailer. Jack didn't miss a game. Even if that meant flying from Los Angeles all the way to Boston to catch game seven. Which is exactly what he did on June 12th, 1984. The Lakers climbed to the top of the heap year after year. Division titles, conference titles, championships. Just like Jack was king of his own heap. He stood on top of that heap with an Academy Award in each hand.

• 33:49Jake Brennan?

  And also, like his precious Lakers, Jack Nicholson didn't take losing very well. So Jack was understandably beside himself as he watched his team fall to a 14-point deficit in the fourth quarter. Jack wished he was an earshot of the refs like he was back home. Or the opposing team's coach on the sidelines near his coveted seat. He'd like to give K.C. Jones a piece of his fucking mind right about now. The Lakers suddenly got their mojo back. They cut the Celtics' lead to 12 points, then 10, 8. With 26 seconds to go, the Lakers were down by 7. Jack ran his fingers through his wild hair, and that devilish grin of his suddenly sprouted on his face.

• 34:32Jake Brennan?

  They were doing it, climbing to the top of the heap. But not before the Celtics' Dennis Johnson could wipe that grin off Jack's face when he sank two free throws with only seconds left. The clock counted down to zero, and the buzzer sounded. The Lakers lost the championship game. Guys, make sure you are subscribed to Hollywood Land on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Next week, we've got an episode on Rocky Johnson's son, okay? Old-school WWF fans know who I'm talking about. Of course, I'm referencing Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson. It's a true crime-y episode, but The Rock's days as a young hood prior to his come-up and a lot more. But you're gonna dig this one. Check it out.

• 35:16Jake Brennan?

  Make sure you're subscribed to Hollywood Land. On the email front, [email protected], Dustin Brzezinski writes in with the subject "Fish." And the message is, I would think someone with as much musical knowledge as you wouldn't be so dismissive of a band like Phish. They made a bigger impact on the industry than any of the other artists on this list. They have sold substantially more concert tickets than anyone on that list. The list is, of course, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame list that Dustin is referring to. Phish invented the structure for the Modern Music Festival in 1996 with the Clifford Ball, 70,000 attendees for a band with zero radio hits.

• 36:00Jake Brennan?

  The organizers of Bonnaroo credited Phish for helping inspire their infrastructure. Phish held the largest ticketed event in the world on New Year's Eve, 1999, and played a six-hour set from midnight until sunrise. In addition to all that, they led one of the most debaucherous rock and roll lifestyles from about 1997 until their long hiatus in 2004. Finally, they're still killing it. Year after year, they rank in the top 10 bands for tour earnings. I think the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame should be about a lot more than just having a few radio hits, me personally. Well, you know, I agree with you there, Dustin. Radio hits aren't the end-all, be-all. I don't know how I was dismissive

• 36:38Jake Brennan?

  of Phish. I'm not, I'm not denying that I, that I was. I'm sure I was. I don't really care for Phish. And yeah, that's just me. That doesn't take away from anything they've done. You can't like every band. I mean, come on. I also think Phish is kind of silly as a band. I don't know, might have to do with flip flops. Do they wear flip flops? I think flip flops have something to do. Okay, I'm sorry. You're gonna hate me. You're gonna hate me. I've seen Phish before, not on purpose, did not love them. I love, however, the passion of their fans. I love their contribution to music. I fully understand and did not mean to be dismissive of what they have given, what they have achieved,

• 37:23Jake Brennan?

  how they have impacted people. I love all of that. Now, does that mean I think they should be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? I mean, come on. No. The correct answer is no. Of course they shouldn't be. And I don't know, maybe I'll change my mind. I'm partly saying this just to get a rise out of you, Dustin, and the rest of the Phish fans out there. But partly because it's coming from a place, and I mean this, of sincere ignorance. I don't know enough about Phish beyond the surface level. We here are, however, doing a Phish episode. It's in the works right now. It's going to be out in a couple of months. And some things were brought to our attention, which are very true crimey and super compelling. And here's what's going to happen, Dustin. I'm going to

• 38:08Jake Brennan?

  get into this episode. And as I'm producing it, I'm going to be walking through the world for a couple of weeks, listening to Phish. And a band that I, it's not that I, it's not that I'm not a fan of Phish. I actively dislike Phish. But what will happen here, Dustin, is as I'm doing this episode and putting it together and walking through the world, listening to Phish, there will come a point where I will become a fan of Phish. I guarantee it doesn't happen with every band that I'm not a fan of that we cover. But with Phish, it's gonna happen. I just know the age I'm at, the time of year, all these different factors. You know, I like the Dead now, which I, for years, I, my whole life, basically, I did not like the Grateful Dead. I've not, I get that they're different. Slow down, calm down. I get that they're different.

• 38:54Jake Brennan?

  I didn't mean to say that the Phish and the, and the Grateful Dead's are the same. Okay, I get, I get that they're different. However, you have to admit, Dustin, they occupy similar, similar airspace. They really do. And I wasn't on the Dead plane before, but I'm on it now. So it's just a, it's just a hop, skip and a jump, right there on the tarmac over to the Phish plane. Okay, so I may be there. I may be there with you, writing the same email to me in a couple of months. That's my point, Dustin. Appreciate you. And I guess, yeah, I appreciate Phish. [email protected]. You guys want to get at me about anything. You want to reprimand me for my music taste, that is 100% okay. I'm trying to think of other sacred cows that I don't like. Not that Phish is a sacred cow. There was a while there, I didn't like The Who.

• 39:39Jake Brennan?

  I know. Whoa, slow down, slow down. I felt that. I felt that. I felt you guys get, just immediately, meh.

• 39:48Jake Brennan?

  I love The Who now, but there was a while when I was a kid, it had to do with just, you know, the kids in high school who liked The Who and fucking Quadrophenia and just now I think that's that stuff is cool as shit, but just back then I had my reasons. All right. If you guys want to support the show, you know how to do it. You can leave a review on Apple Podcasts. You can leave a review on Spotify. And if I read your review here on the after party and you hear your review and you get in touch with me, I will send you a little disgraceland tchotchke, whatever we got lying around, some pins, some shirts. Sometimes I even sign a book and send that out. These reviews are not just to inflate

• 40:27Jake Brennan?

  my ego, which they definitely do do. They are most certainly first and foremost about creating a mechanism to help drive discovery for the show. Reviews help the algorithms. The algorithms get juiced and they deliver the show to more listeners. This review on Apple Podcasts from Ambhask82 says, hey, Jake is such a good storyteller and I'm always entertained when I've got this on. Luckily, lots of musicians do have a lot of dirt, so I'm hoping this podcast can continue for the foreseeable future. It can and it will continue. There is no stopping us. There is no shortage of stories and whether it's a good thing or a bad thing, I don't know, but new stories, they're happening all the

• 41:12Jake Brennan?

  time. All right. We have an endless well to pull from. Appreciate you. Thank you for the review. Get in touch. Ambhask82. That was from Apple Podcasts where you can leave a review or you can hit me up on Spotify like Ken Kinsley who writes in in response to our Basquiat episode. Thanks for shining a light on a visual artist. I didn't think there was much more to be said about JMB that hasn't already been said before, but you certainly found a way to do so with style. Welcome to the Visual Art Podcasting Club. Ken, appreciate you. It's a short trip into the Visual Art Podcasting Club. Get in touch, guys. We'll hit you up with something. This episode is nearing its end.

• 41:50Jake Brennan?

  We've got, uh, let's see, we've got a little more we're gonna do here in the bonus section of the after party for those all access members. And if you want to be an all access member, it's just five bucks. So all you gotta do, go to disgracelandpod.com/membership and you can sign up there. Five bucks is gonna get you this little extra bit of the bonus episode, gonna get you ad free listening as well, access to our Patreon chat where I'm, I'm in there blabbing most days with the rest of the disco community. And it's also gonna get you an extra full episode exclusively for you guys from Disgrace Land per month. All right. So you got that going for you. disgracelandpod.com/membership.

• 42:44Jake Brennan?

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• 44:51Jake Brennan?

  All right, we are back. I'm sitting here. I'm spinning this big wheel here with this huge wheel. You can picture it. It's got, it's got like 230 names of musicians on it and it goes around and around and around and then it stops every now and then and it stops on a different artist from our archive. It just, I just spun it. It stopped on Merle Haggard. Great episode on Merle Haggard. You gotta check that out from our archive. Also, I spun it a different time and it landed on 50 Cent. I don't know if you've heard the 50 Cent episode. We got one episode on 50 Cent. It should really be like 10 episodes on 50 Cent. Check that one out. Jam packed episode. Yesterday I was showing a friend and I came in here and I spun it again and it landed on Serge Gainsbourg. You guys don't know who Serge Gainsbourg is. Tremendous, tremendous artist, French artist. Great,

• 45:36Jake Brennan?

  hugely influential on alternative music in America from the last three, four decades. Just incredible story. Brigitte Bardot, his one time girlfriend was in the news this week. Pretty funny. Check that out. And again, you know, I was, I was hanging out with some of the cooler people in my neighborhood and, and I wanted to, you know, impress them. So I spun it and it landed on Velvet Underground. They were like, oh, wow, this guy knows his shit. Check out the episodes on Velvet Underground. I think it's a two parter, right? I think so. We definitely did a two parter on Lou Reed. Anyways, you want access to these archive episodes. It's easy. They're free. They're available on Spotify. They're available on Apple. They're available wherever you get your podcasts. Mr. Matt Bowden, our producer extraordinaire, will have the specific episode information in the show notes of this after

• 46:20Jake Brennan?

  party bonus episode to make these easier for you to find. All right. Let's recap, shall we? Number one, my other podcast, Hollywood. Hollywoodland is alive and kicking over in the Hollywoodland feed. So make sure you're subscribed and following Hollywoodland on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, iHeart app, wherever you get your podcasts. Check out our recent episode on Jack Nicholson, okay? In the Hollywoodland feed. Number two, right now in your disgraced land feed, our episode on Basquiat. Number three, coming tomorrow, our rewind episode on Gigi Allen. I'm betting Basquiat saw Gigi Allen play live. I am. I don't have that for sure. I don't have that locked down, but I'm betting that happened. Number four, merch winners, get in touch. You know who you are. Number five, remember, no one cares about preserving the true spirit of rock and roll more than you do. And well, that is a disgrace. All right. In honor of this week's subject, Basquiat, this is me reading you the Billboard charts

• 47:05Jake Brennan?

  for the day he died on August 12th, 1988. Number one, Roll With It, Steve Winwood. Last week, one. Peak position, one. Weeks on chart, 10. Number two, Hands to Heaven, Breeze. Last week, two. Peak position, two. Weeks on chart, 18. Number three, Make Me Lose Control, Eric Carmen. Last week, four. Peak position, three. Weeks on chart, 13. Number four, Sign Your Name, Terrence Trent Derby. Last week, five. Peak position, four. Weeks on chart, 12.

• 47:50Jake Brennan?

  The number five, one, two, three. Gloria Estefan, Miami Sound Machine. Last week, six. Peak position, five. Weeks on chart, 18. Quit talking and start mixing. Cut it. I like a story with a twist as much as anyone, but some of the best traditions don't have one. They just started and kept going. That's something that's great about Chateau St. Michelle. They've been leading Washington wine since 1967 with wines that are balanced, expressive, and easy to enjoy. Choosing the right bottle shouldn't feel complicated. It should be something you open with confidence every time.

• 48:32Jake Brennan?

  So for once, here's a story with no twist, just a good bottle. Redefine your rituals with Chateau St. Michelle.

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