#412 - “She Channeled Baphomet” Inside the Darkest Conspiracy in the World | Greg Carlwood

Watch every episode ad-free & uncensored on Patreon: https://patreon.com/dannyjones Greg Carlwood is the creator and host of @TheHighersideChats podcast where he interviews researchers, authors, and experts on a whole host of unusual, suppressed, alternative, paranormal, occult, and fringe subjects. https://www.thehighersidechats.com SPONSORS https://whiterabbitenergy.com/?ref=DJP - Use code DJP for 20% off. FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjones https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 00:00 - Why Greg is deaf in one ear 02:04 - Tracy Twyman 07:50 - The Brotherhoods of Secret Math 12:11 - Tracy Twyman was summoning Cain 16:45 - Masonic tracing boards 21:41 - Evidence magic is real 25:18 - Defining "magic" 26:22 - GATE Program & kids with psychic abilities 30:59 - The fruit conspiracy 36:45 - The Bilbo Baggins philosophy 41:35 - How to extract yourself out of the system 49:26 - Humans have been domesticated 56:33 - Florida's land & wildlife crisis 59:22 - CIA weather weapons active on 9/11 01:05:16 - Alcohol Prohibition conspiracy 01:13:22 - Henry Ford's book about the Jews 01:16:42 - "Free energy" inventors who died suspiciously 01:21:11 - Grass-fed beef & raw milk 01:28:29 - 6G & the next pandemic 01:29:20 - UFO disclosure isn't adding up 01:32:23 - The hypnagogic state 01:34:58 - Precognition & advanced sigil magic 01:42:43 - The pediatrician scam 01:49:46 - The Mountain Dew conspiracy 01:55:51 - Planned obsolescence & the light bulb conspiracy 02:01:44 - Presidents who tried to disclose aliens 02:05:21 - How to perform sigil magic 02:10:50 - "Astrology is real" 02:19:05 - The era of air control 02:22:56 - How the Elites are using magic 02:28:30 - Human cloning 02:35:16 - The Reiner family trauma 02:48:24 - Jean Michel Basquiat 02:57:28 - Tate murders 03:00:19 - Suspicious details about Oliver Tree's death 03:03:03 - Greg's interview method Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:06Danny Jones?

  We're live.

• 0:07Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 0:07Danny Jones?

  Great call, Ward.

• 0:08Speaker 01

  All right. Hey, what's happening?

• 0:09Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 0:09Speaker 01

  Huge fan of your podcast.

• 0:10Danny Jones?

  Oh, too kind. Been listening for a very long time.

• 0:12Speaker 01

  Wow. Wow.

• 0:13Danny Jones?

  And I'm glad we finally got connected.

• 0:14Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 0:15Danny Jones?

  Um, we had dinner with Kurt Metzger the other day.

• 0:18Speaker 01

  We did.

• 0:18Danny Jones?

  Fantastic.

• 0:19Speaker 01

  I just can't believe.

• 0:19Danny Jones?

  I was just sitting like a fly on the wall, listening to you guys go back and forth. I had no clue what you guys were talking about.

• 0:24Speaker 01

  I barely did. I still, I'm trying to catch up on what was going on with that. But I can tell that the people around us definitely were in for a treat.

• 0:33Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 0:33Speaker 01

  People would pay good money.

• 0:34Danny Jones?

  There were some moments where the waitress would come up and we had to like shut up.

• 0:37Speaker 01

  Yes, I'm used to that. I'm used to that. I've learned from my wife, just when the waitress is around, don't put her through that.

• 0:43Danny Jones?

  Uh, so you're saying, you were just saying you're deaf in one ear from a?

• 0:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm deaf in my right ear. The, um, the thing is, is we, we think about a lot of medical stuff different these days, but I had meningitis when I was three, whatever that is. And I came out of it deaf in one ear and that's about as lucky as I could get. Some people are paralyzed, some people die. And now, when, when I saw Del Bigtree's vaxxed, there's a point in the movie where he talks about how there were vaccines tainted that caused meningitis. And the pharmaceutical companies, instead of just destroying them, shipped them up to Canada. Now, I was, I grew up in Missouri. Missouri's a little far from Canada. But it just set off the thing in my mind like, oh, if this has ever happened before,

• 1:28Speaker 01

  it, it could have happened in Missouri too. This happened when I was three years old. What's the prime vaccination age? It's three.

• 1:35Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:36Speaker 01

  The story was always that my dad took me fishing and I was messing around with some dirty water. But how does that story come about? The doctor asks, hey, what have you been doing lately? Dad says, we went on a fishing trip. Doctor says, that's it. Must have been the dirty water, the stagnant water.

• 1:52Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:53Speaker 01

  Cause no one knows. But now, I think it's probably vax damage. Hard to say.

• 2:00Danny Jones?

  Yeah, who knows? You only need one ear for podcasting.

• 2:03Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 2:04Danny Jones?

  Bro, for the last couple of days, I've been binging all of your Tracy Twyman episodes.

• 2:11Speaker 01

  Oh geez.

• 2:12Danny Jones?

  And dude, totally off the wall.

• 2:16Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:17Danny Jones?

  Never heard anything like this stuff before. I mean, I was vaguely familiar about her. I kinda knew this kind of the stuff she talked about. But like, why don't you basically like break it down for people? Like, how'd you just, how'd you come across her? How'd you get in touch with her? And explain, break, break down who she is for folks.

• 2:32Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, I've been doing the show for like 15 years.

• 2:35Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:35Speaker 01

  So I'm 41 now. I was in my mid twenties. I'm embarrassed by a lot of the early shows. But back then, the circle was much smaller than it is today.

• 2:45Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:45Speaker 01

  And it wasn't that hard to find people and there weren't a lot of places for these people to go to talk at length. When I started the show, it was like Alex Jones, who talks over all his guests and Coast to Coast AM, which is a radio show, which has a commercial break every time they start to get deep into something. So I was like, maybe I could do this and just not talk over my guests and not do any ads at all. And that was my success for the first decade. But Tracy Twyman was definitely in there. She's an occultist who I learned after her death, she was very involved, not just a researcher, you know what I mean? She's not just sitting at home, reading the grimoires in the book. She was involved in a lot of occult groups and

• 3:25Speaker 01

  wild stuff. You know, you look at pictures of her now and she's wearing the Freemasonic pendant and it's not like I didn't know, because one of her books is Clock Shavings, where she talks about channeling or using a Ouija board to channel the biblical cane and Ba'athaman. So you're channeling Ba'athaman? Yeah, because that's the one I look at a lot that I'm like, what is that? Were you a Freemason and I never knew it?

• 3:49Danny Jones?

  She looks like part of Amen's congregation.

• 3:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, even the background, the church she's in front of or whatever.

• 3:55Danny Jones?

  Is that real or is that Photoshop?

• 3:57Speaker 01

  I don't know, but that, there's only really a few pictures of her because my show is audio only up until just like a year ago. And back then, a lot of shows were.

• 4:06Danny Jones?

  Did you ever meet her in person?

• 4:07Speaker 01

  No, no, but I did get some reputational, reputation damage when she died because somebody put out a video, they called her dead man's switch, but she doesn't say that in the video or anything, but she talks in the video about how she was upset at me and one of my childhood friends who used to talk to her on the phone, they'd get each other worked up and conspiracy paranoia. She was mad at me that I wouldn't go live and talk about this obscure school in England that she thought was a child trafficking hub. And I'm like, Tracy, I don't like go live, you know?

• 4:42Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 4:42Speaker 01

  People have a, an infrastructure, like I'm, my YouTube's been in shambles forever, like going live is a YouTube thing. So I was like, you can give me the information, I'll look at it, we'll figure it out. I like to go in prepared. I brought notes for this. I'm not even running the show.

• 4:55Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 4:56Speaker 01

  Uh, so she, she just basically turned and was like, well, who do you work for that you won't do this? I'm like, Tracy, just, I, I might do it, just relax. Uh, and then eventually she was found hung in her garage and there's a lot, like, I wouldn't have said this, but Kurt Metzger said it because I listened to him when he was on here. Apparently, story is there was like dirt on her backs, like implying that she was dragged and that she didn't hang herself. I don't know. When you're channeling bofamet, either magic is real or it isn't. And you could maybe have like gone too deep in that regard. There's a lot of things that could have happened, but it came back on me because this video came out that she said was her dead man's switch, but.

• 5:41Danny Jones?

  Who released the video?

• 5:43Speaker 01

  Uh, some guy who runs an obscure blog about Burning Man.

• 5:48Danny Jones?

  Oh.

• 5:48Speaker 01

  So I, I didn't know him. I tried to talk to him a little bit and it just seemed like he wanted the attention for getting her last word out through his pog.

• 5:56Danny Jones?

  Possibly, yeah.

• 5:57Speaker 01

  I've heard there's other videos out there. I heard there's other videos out there that discuss who she was really afraid of at the time. Can't really talk about it too much. We'll get sued.

• 6:08Danny Jones?

  We will?

• 6:08Speaker 01

  We could. Couple of my, I can't say friends, but a couple of acquaintance. Nah, you don't want that. You don't want the smoke. Uh, do you know Clyde Lewis?

• 6:16Danny Jones?

  No.

• 6:17Speaker 01

  Clyde Lewis is a radio guy. He used to come on right after Coast to Coast. He's been doing it forever.

• 6:23Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 6:24Speaker 01

  Tracy was his producer. The show is up in Portland. My buddy Ron Patton's the producer now, but that's a tight circle of conspiracy folks up there.

• 6:33Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 6:34Speaker 01

  And Clyde got sued. And he got-

• 6:37Danny Jones?

  By the same-

• 6:38Speaker 01

  By the person, yeah, by a certain person in Tracy's life who doesn't like it talked about.

• 6:46Danny Jones?

  Somebody close to her.

• 6:47Speaker 01

  Somebody close to her.

• 6:48Danny Jones?

  Okay. Wow.

• 6:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. You, you, you really don't want to go any deeper. And honestly, after 15 years in the conspiracy game, I just start being like, what is the value?

• 6:58Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 6:58Speaker 01

  And what is the value of knowing, like, I know kind of what I need to know? And going past to that last 10%-

• 7:06Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 7:06Speaker 01

  Probably isn't smart.

• 7:08Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm. Yeah, you know, the other day I was, uh, I was texting with Heather, the Heather Lynn-

• 7:14Speaker 01

  Heather Lynn's the best.

• 7:15Danny Jones?

  And I was, she sent me somebody, we were talking about somebody, um, and I asked her, I'm like, what do you think this guy's motive is? She goes, "I've been doing this for so long, it's a waste of time to think about people's motives." She's like, "You just get the, get the information."

• 7:29Speaker 01

  That's true, and I get a lot of shit-

• 7:30Danny Jones?

  Wow, that's a great point. I never, I, I, you need to think about, I think that's a great way to think about it.

• 7:35Speaker 01

  Yeah. I, I, uh, one of my big questions is always, what do you think motivates these people? Cause I'm trying to get to the core of why some of these conspiratorial things exist. And you just, you never know. I mean, partly it's eugenics, partly it's money. Uh, I do think there's a spiritual element. That's what Heather Lynn is great at, is folding in the spiritual element. She referred to the secret societies as the brotherhoods of secret math, and I really like that. Because, like, the Anunnaki story-

• 8:07Speaker 01

  You know, it's all about these civilizing tricksters. If you're of the Graham Hancock flavor, then it's like the progenitor civilization came and taught us how to be civilized, right? But it's either aliens, or it's like the Atlanteans. But part of the science and the math and all the things they taught us was agriculture. And that's where a lot of people think of agriculture as a positive, but you know, she frames it kind of as a, as negative thing because the actual world that we're not really spending much time in is incredibly abundant. It wants to be abundant. It wants to provide. But we have built a structure, the matrix, around everything, and we've taken people away from that. Agriculture is one of the first things. Why didn't they teach us to

• 8:52Speaker 01

  plant 100 apple trees that yield apples every year? They didn't teach that. They wanted us to, to, um, to get things that harvested every year. So you could put it in a grain silo for the king and then parse it out to the common people. Like, that's a whole different game. But there's plenty of things you can plant that create abundance and yield every year. Funny how that didn't come up with the Anunnaki. The good guys who taught us how to civilize and all that.

• 9:16Danny Jones?

  Right. Well, they need an excuse to exist. And they have no reason to exist if we can take care of ourselves and be self-sufficient. They need, they need, we, we need to be reliant on them for something.

• 9:28Speaker 01

  Exactly. That's the big conspiracy. So the Brotherhood of Secret Math, her whole thing was entropy and them putting themselves in the position to take the skim off basically all interactions. Then you can go through, uh, the, um, what is it? The East India Company and that whole era of time. You know, they're really just middlemen. They try to get to the middle of everything. I mean, income tax is essentially, there's just a skim. So if there is an occult thing going on with the Anunnaki, they taught them the algorithms, they taught them the formulas for extracting wealth from the many and being the few. And they've been doing it since Babylon.

• 10:08Danny Jones?

  Right. And this is the same story of the people in like the Epstein files, the whole point of the everybody in the brokers, broker class.

• 10:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, she says that too.

• 10:16Danny Jones?

  They're just in there sifting or skimming off of wars, civil wars, different kind of conflicts, figuring out whatever way they can, whatever they can do, brokering a deal between the Rothschilds and the President's administration in the United States to, you know, where, figure out a way where we can do a deal, broker some sort of a peace agreement where we make $20 million for sending two emails.

• 10:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. And that, that should have been a red flag to people. When in the Epstein files, I think the most interesting thing learned, besides the jerky stuff, was him just saying, "I'm a representative of the Rothschilds." He didn't say Mossad, he didn't say Israel. Nope. He said a specific family of bankers that has been in the game the whole time. That's the thing. It's, uh, what is it? The 13 Illuminati bloodlines. I think they're still active. Clearly, they're still active. Epstein was their lapdog.

• 11:08Danny Jones?

  And what do you, I mean, the fact that in the depositions, the recorded depositions we got with Hillary Clinton and with Les Wexner, they both just handed over the name Rothschild.

• 11:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:20Danny Jones?

  Not even asked about it. They just, they brought it up on their own without being interrogated. No, no, no one asking questions, said anything about Rothschilds. They volunteered that shit.

• 11:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:30Danny Jones?

  I found that to be kind of odd.

• 11:32Speaker 01

  It is a little odd, but to me, it just speaks to there being no real risk.

• 11:36Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 11:36Speaker 01

  You know, when I was in my twenties doing this, the mindset is, oh, if we can just get to the truth, then we can change things and implement some of this stuff and we'll fix everything, right?

• 11:46Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 11:47Speaker 01

  And now that I'm 40, I'm like, well, the truth is nice to know, but at some level, you could almost say it's like not much different than watching reality TV. It's drama, it's intrigue. And nothing's gonna change, you know, so.

• 12:01Danny Jones?

  Well, the funny thing about the truth is it doesn't have to make sense.

• 12:04Speaker 01

  It doesn't have to make sense. The universe is under no obligation to explain itself to you and it makes sense. I think that was a Carl Sagan thing.

• 12:11Danny Jones?

  So back to Tracy Twineyman. So she was summoning Cain?

• 12:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, she says she was.

• 12:18Danny Jones?

  She was talking to Cain?

• 12:19Speaker 01

  She was saying she was summoning the biblical Cain and of course Ba'athamit. So that was one of her early books, too. It got really crazy when she wrote a book called Genuflect, which is a novel that she wrote. It's incredibly dark and weird. One of the last things she said to me, and we mentioned this at dinner because Kurt's really into this. I mean, not into it, into it, but she said, "At the end of the day, the secret is it's all about the anal birth of the harmonculus."

• 12:47Danny Jones?

  The anal birth of the, I remember you guys saying that.

• 12:49Speaker 01

  Yeah. So Kurt will go off on this stuff, but to me, it's like, some of it doesn't really conform with biology as I know it. So I don't know what to make of it, but there's a lot of magical texts that talk about that sort of stuff. The creation of a being of life outside of the conventional intercourse. And some people say the big secret at the end of the OTO and Freemasonry and all that stuff, the big secret is sex magic, which does make sense to me because in the pre-digital industrial world, what really is there? You know, your energy, consciousness and sex. So you go into ecstatic states of orgasm, extended orgasm. You can probably do some funky stuff with psychedelics and consciousness and.

• 13:34Danny Jones?

  Music?

• 13:35Speaker 01

  And music and orgasm. I mean, I'm sure you're a little bit into the cathedral stuff, right?

• 13:41Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Well, I know like the Illusian mysteries had a lot to do with possibly psychedelics, music, performance and sex.

• 13:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, I think there's a lot of weird stuff going on with the antiquatech thread, where people say that there was a point where a lot of the ether-based technologies and stuff was actually implemented. And then they came and they shut it all down. Like, you know, a lot of the cathedrals were not originally Christian cathedrals. The story goes, they were compromised. They were converted over. And that the cathedrals, when they have all this stained glass patterning and stuff, those are frequencies, like you can blast water, cymatics, with the same frequency. And some of those frequencies, the pattern that gets made is what is on the stained glass. So if frequency can heal and that sort of stuff, you get the pipe organ going, which they also don't really use anymore.

• 14:30Speaker 01

  The big church bells, you ever seen after World War II, there's all these photos of like piles and piles of giant church bells? It's like, what is that about? The theory is that the church bells were healing. They would produce the frequency that being around them would put you in altered states or heal you. And after World War II, they're like, get all that out of here. We're Rockefeller medicine only. You know, that Rockefeller medicine's really World War I. But the, the big theory is that a lot of these cathedrals were built with positive intention. They were healing centers, spiritual healing centers. There wasn't much of a division between spiritual and medical healing like there is now. And that some of the remnants are still there. If you look at the, the windows and some of the carvings that are there, you'll still

• 15:15Speaker 01

  see parts of it, but no one has the information anymore.

• 15:18Danny Jones?

  So was that, was there religion involved in these cathedrals before the church took it over? Was there, were they like pagan religions that were like doing this type of healing stuff? Was it like, were they performing rites and stuff? Or what, how do you know this stuff?

• 15:34Speaker 01

  Well, the argument is that it was Gnostic, but there was no group of people that called themselves Gnostics. You know, Gnostics are, you know, the Cathars and other sects. So, I don't know, I think people just stumbled upon it and then, and doubled, tripled down. A lot of people think Egypt, you know, was big on that. Did they have a religion? Sure, I don't really know what to call it. They had pantheons of gods.

• 15:56Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 15:57Speaker 01

  But they also, if you look at some of those, um, some of those etchings and stuff, it looks like they were doing that healing stuff as well. But we just don't know. We have no context for the past.

• 16:09Danny Jones?

  No, we have zero.

• 16:11Speaker 01

  It's messed up.

• 16:12Danny Jones?

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• 16:45Speaker 01

  But Tracy, so.

• 16:47Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 16:48Speaker 01

  Her material was just really about the mechanisms behind a lot of the occult stuff. Have you ever seen the Masonic Tracing Board? You might be able to pull one up, but they all are kind of the same. But checkerboard floor, the two pillars. Above each pillar is usually a sun and a moon. And then a lot of them, there'll be a staircase in the middle or a ladder in the middle that kind of goes up to the sky. And there'll be either like a window or an opening. So her theory there, she would call it hidden hyperspace kingdoms.

• 17:20Danny Jones?

  Like the Kardashian foyer.

• 17:22Speaker 01

  I like the Kardashian foyer. So.

• 17:25Danny Jones?

  So this is called a Masonic Tracing Board?

• 17:27Speaker 01

  Yeah. And you see how there's like this ladder up to the sky?

• 17:31Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 17:32Speaker 01

  These ones are all, that's probably the closest one. Usually I see it in the middle and there'll be like a window. But imagine you were trying to depict in coded language, this idea that they, through consciousness, through probably group meditation, they could open up a slimminal space outside of the material reality and maybe go there for meetings or go there to have their own little Epstein parties, like literally outside of time and space. So there's no chance of getting caught. It's almost like a dream reality. Time probably slows down. So when they say, like, they were seeking immortality, imagine every Friday night, you can go with the boys.

• 18:14Speaker 01

  You go down to the basement, you do the rituals and you all go to a space. You astral project to a space. And it feels like you're there for weeks, but it's really been 15 minutes. And while you're there, you can dream up anything. It's like a group lucid dream. Any kind of debauchery could, could happen. And then you could come back and be home by dinner. So this is a Tracy premise that the exotic states of consciousness would lead to this place where astral projection would allow you to be in liminal places and carry out all kinds of acts. Astral projection is real. And we all know that sometimes when you have a dream, it feels like a full day.

• 18:57Speaker 01

  But, but they say that that actual dream was only like 15 minutes. So some of the pieces are there for that to be true. I don't get right in on what the Masons do.

• 19:07Danny Jones?

  Did she ever participate in any of this stuff?

• 19:10Speaker 01

  I believe so.

• 19:11Danny Jones?

  She never admitted it though?

• 19:13Speaker 01

  If I were to ask her directly, she probably would. These interviews are fresher in your mind than they are in my mind. So I don't know. Did I ask her? I don't think I did. But at the time I assumed she was primarily a researcher. And after her death, I learned actually she has a lot of strange connections to French occultists and people who are really deep in it, who aren't really public figures at all. So I think some of this was experiential. I think she got a lot of this from diving headfirst. I, I say she was a reckless researcher. That's the term I use. So did she kill herself? I, I don't know. I could see her getting so deep into the occult that it drove her to kill herself. I could see her poking a bear that didn't want to be poked.

• 19:57Speaker 01

  And that prompted her to be found in the garage. Like she was, there's many different catalysts possible.

• 20:02Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 20:04Speaker 01

  It's hard to say.

• 20:06Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Yeah, it really is. It's but like, one of the things that really kind of like gave me pause was how she was explaining how she had all these long conversations with, with, um, Kane. But she was doing it through a Ouija board.

• 20:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:21Danny Jones?

  I'm like, how long do you have to sit there to have an in-depth conversation going from letter to letter to letter to letter? It must've been months.

• 20:30Speaker 01

  It's an investment, but she was.

• 20:31Danny Jones?

  And how does Kane, does Kane speak English?

• 20:34Speaker 01

  See, I'm not really Catholic, so I don't really put a lot of stock in the biblical characters as like people you can contact. But if we're talking about her perspective, she thought they could be contacted. Baphomet too, is Baphomet an actual thing or is it a symbol? Because the, uh, the people who run the Magical Egypt channel, they say when you look at scans of the brain, there's a certain level of the brain where you can look at the scan and it's a mere image of the Baphomet figure. So just like the eye of Horus is like the pineal gland, they say. So they say a lot of these symbols are actually derived from looking at the brain itself. Is Baphomet the same? I mean, they've made a pretty good case to me that it is.

• 21:17Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Yeah, it is, it is, it is so weird, you know, uh, you know, maybe these things could be some sort of like symbolic, something symbolic that like transcends different religions and different cultures. People just put different masks on them, you know, different, just different, you know, same archetype, different name, you know, kinda like Prometheus and Satan and, you know, all that stuff.

• 21:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's the other thing. A lot of people, conspiracy researchers, they gravitate towards Christianity because they say, they look at what the elite do and they say, well, that's Satanism right there. I don't know if it's Satanism.

• 21:53Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 21:53Speaker 01

  I think it's something very odd and dark and evil, but I don't know if they're in this Christianity Satanism paradigm.

• 22:03Danny Jones?

  Yeah, no, no, I don't think so. It seems, all the, all the stuff that like Anton LaVey was doing was more of like circus stuff, like circus Satanism. You know, like it wasn't truly, it was more like, you know, some Dungeons and Dragons nerds running around with staffs and coats and shit. Trying to like, you know, listening to Marilyn Manson.

• 22:28Speaker 01

  There's that too. That's why a lot of the magic practitioners did magic with a K in the nineties and early two thousands. I think that's lame. I think it's kinda cringe and I think it's also outdated. But you kinda have to decide if magic is real or not. My friend Gordon White, who died recently, he, uh, had a great, uh, website, Rune Soup. It's got all this, it's probably the best. It's like the Library of Alexandria, the digital library of Alexandria for occult and magic subjects. I hope it stays up. Who knows if it will? But he used to always say, you have to drill down on your own personal metaphysics. It's like, is magic real or not? Is it all LARPing D and D bullshit? Or is there some true mechanism there? And you gotta decide for yourself, really.

• 23:11Speaker 01

  And if it is real, then what does that mean? Like, these things we see the elite do and invest their time into, they must have an effect, right? Or why would they do them? Mentioned the Kardashians. There was this thing the other day. It was, um, one of the Kardashians is dating an F1 racer. Not my world, but there was a scandal where she picked up one of the other racer's towels, like sweat towel, and like dabbed her forehead and put it back. And you're not supposed to do that. It's the person's towel. You know, you don't mess with, it's like, you know, on the basketball court, you don't take someone else's towel or whatever.

• 23:44Danny Jones?

  Well, you're a Kardashian, so who cares?

• 23:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, I guess you do, you do what you want. But this person, who was apparently a very good racer, did not place in the race. And there's this theory that the Kardashians are a multi-generational coven of witches. So, I know it's crazy, but you think about, think about how Kanye went off the rails. And then think about this action that she, she did. She took this towel, dabbed herself, and then like, the energy of this, the towel transfer, this person did not place in the race. So is magic real? Are there people who use it? Anyone who uses it, because it does require an academic study. I mean, I could have brought these books. I just bought them because I got super curious.

• 24:27Speaker 01

  But these two books that are 800 pages each, The History of the Occult and Grimoire Magic. I mean, it is a deep study, and these things are written at a high level. This isn't Harry Potter shit. It could all mean nothing, but you can't say it, it's easy to get into. It's very dense study. So anyone who gets deep into it, to the point that they can use magic with any kind of real talent, they know not to talk about it. So, are the Kardashians witches? I don't know. They seem pretty successful at life. What is magic supposed to do?

• 25:03Danny Jones?

  Man, I hope they're witches.

• 25:04Speaker 01

  I do, I do not.

• 25:06Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 25:07Speaker 01

  Well, I don't really care. They're not part of my life at all.

• 25:09Danny Jones?

  If I knew they were witches, I'd probably watch more of their stuff.

• 25:13Speaker 01

  It's hard to say, but I think magic is real.

• 25:18Danny Jones?

  What is magic? How do you define magic?

• 25:21Speaker 01

  Well, Gordon used to say it's a probability enhancer.

• 25:24Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 25:25Speaker 01

  Um, some people say it is making changes in consciousness that can be seen in the outside world. This is why the-

• 25:33Danny Jones?

  Making changes in consciousness that can manifest in the outside world?

• 25:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, because again, it gets really deep into what is your concept of reality itself? Is it primarily hard matter or is it primarily consciousness?

• 25:45Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 25:46Speaker 01

  If it's primarily consciousness and we operate within a shared dream, well, in your dreams, you can make changes that are pretty radical that wouldn't really apply to what we consider consensus reality. But what if some of that can spill over? What if this is a shared dream? And our belief that it is real and solid is the thing that makes it so. And you can, maybe you can push on that a little bit. I mean, what's remote viewing? Remote viewing is real. I think you would agree, right? We've been far enough to see that's real.

• 26:13Danny Jones?

  Why would the military spend so much money on it if it wasn't real?

• 26:16Speaker 01

  Right. So, scale that up. Astral projection is real. People do it all the time.

• 26:21Danny Jones?

  It's funny you say that, dude. I was just listening to a podcast this morning with Jesse Michaels and this dude, this kid, who was a part of this gate program.

• 26:30Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 26:30Danny Jones?

  And when he was young, he literally got pulled out. He was like really advanced for his age. In, I want to say, he was probably seven or nine, something like that. So, fourth or fifth grade, maybe. And he got pulled out, had a psychiatrist that he was talking to, or a psychologist that he was talking to in school, and told all these stories how he eventually got pulled out of public school for a period of years, went to this special place called the Bakersville something institute or whatever. They, there was some, Jesse Michaels latest video, it's incredible. And basically, it was like Stranger Things in real life. It sounded exactly like the Montauk Project stuff. Where they're trying to figure out his consciousness. They think there's something about prepubescent kids that have this, certain kids.

• 27:17Danny Jones?

  This young have this ability to whatever this do this magic stuff you're talking about and like manipulate reality with their consciousness or manipulate the material world with their consciousness.

• 27:30Speaker 01

  The gate program is a huge rabbit hole. Uh, I interviewed Whitley Strieber, you know, big UFO guy, real communion and everything. And when we got to talk and he made some offhanded comment about being taken to some school like that. And I was like, hold on, let's drill down on that. And he elaborated, it's a similar story with a lot of people, especially the gate program. Cause when they did this, we didn't have the internet. But now you can go to Reddit and you can find like ex gate kids talking about their experience together. Some of them were made to drink a pink liquid. Many of them don't have any memories.

• 28:00Danny Jones?

  This kid was talking about that.

• 28:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. Some people think the pink, the pink liquid was uh, radiation exposure to see how they would deal with radiation exposure.

• 28:08Danny Jones?

  Didn't Bob Lazar drink that same shit too?

• 28:10Speaker 01

  He says, I think he says he does. He did. Uh, Dean Raden was just on Rogan, Rogan not long ago and

• 28:17Danny Jones?

  This is, this is the bit I was talking about.

• 28:18Speaker 01

  Right on.

• 28:19Danny Jones?

  Uh, Jordan, Joe Zach on Jesse Mike.

• 28:22Speaker 01

  That's a new name for me. So when Dean Raden was on Rogan, he went off on how the crusades and all that. Yes, we know that they wanted uh, Catholicism to be, well, Christianity to be the dominant thing, right? They went around the third world, killed all the indigenous people, destroyed their belief systems. Well, Dean went a little bit deeper and he said, what they were doing was knocking out people who had that psychic ability. They wanted to monopolize not just spirituality, but baseline consciousness and anyone who had these effects. They wanted to wipe them out. So that's why I get back into like, what is the unadulterated natural world? I don't really like the matrix language, but what else is there? So

• 29:04Speaker 01

  there's an industrial overlay over what the natural world is, and that's basically the world we all live in. And we don't really engage with the natural world that much. But it seems like mechanisms of consciousness that can affect reality are baked right into our own heads. And you can't get rid of our heads, but what can you do?

• 29:23Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 29:23Speaker 01

  A centuries-long campaign to destroy our knowledge of it, to hide all that knowledge and to keep us distracted all day. I mean, how many hours of the day are we staring at a screen now? And it just keeps going, right? It started with, I mean, who knows exactly where it started, but you have radio, the families all sitting around radio, get TV sucks up more time, internet sucks up more time, social media, now it's almost never-ending. No one takes the time to meditate and see what it's all about. No one takes the time to see if they can push up on reality a little bit.

• 29:53Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 29:53Speaker 01

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• 30:55Speaker 01

  Because you can't, like, same with abundance. You know, we were talking about this at dinner. I've been working on this like solo show, I was gonna call it The Higher Side Guide to Life, because so many people present the conspiracy archetype as like a negative thing. You'll drive yourself crazy, you end up hung in the garage or something. I think if you're getting closer to truth, it should add value to your life. It should improve your life, right? And I was kind of determined to make that case. But I think the value is of conspiracy culture overall is you find out that they're always lying to us about pretty much everything and then you kind of disengage your attention from it and engage in the natural world, which is built more for happiness and abundance. You go outside anywhere in Florida, greenery everywhere, right? None of it produces food.

• 31:40Speaker 01

  That's a little fucked up. It all could. You know, there could, all the stuff that we see out there could be food producing. It just isn't. Isn't that interesting? So I, to me, the power is in the abundance of the natural world and consciousness. The two things people don't really know much about at all. I'm 40 years old. I don't think any of my friends have ever eaten a fruit off of, off a plant directly. You know, it's pretty rare, especially when they planted themselves. And, you know, I sent him some data. The, the four things I've learned since I moved to Florida a couple of years ago, four easiest things to grow, Barbados cherry, cranberry hibiscus, mulberries, and Jabba the Cabba's.

• 32:25Speaker 01

  Three of those things I never heard of about two years ago. But then you look them up and the nutrient content in these things is far greater than their comparisons that are available in the grocery store. Mulberry has more vitamin C than blueberries or raspberries by far. The Barbados cherry is basically a Brazilian grape. It grows on the trunk. It's weird. It has more nutrient content than a traditional grape. If you look at the Barbados cherry, I mean, it is off the charts. He's got the numbers there somewhere, but compare it to a Bing cherry. It's night and day. So isn't it interesting that the easiest things for me to grow are two or three X

• 33:08Speaker 01

  the nutrient content of the things available in the grocery store, if they were even of good quality? And it costs me nothing. I mean, it cost me a hundred bucks to get some plants and put them in the ground. Nobody has ground. Everybody's in these apartments. They've done everything they can. It's just an incremental, keep us away from the natural world and keep us away from the inner world. World of developing our consciousness.

• 33:30Danny Jones?

  Well, also, we're in Florida. We're surrounded by water and we're surrounded by wildlife. We have, there's tons of, there's tons of wildlife around here.

• 33:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:40Danny Jones?

  Whether you want to go to the Everglades or want to go to like the middle of Florida. And we're surrounded by ocean. We have, there's tons of fish, tons of stuff in the ocean here. And it's like, it's an abundance of stuff that you can get naturally out of, from the earth that you don't have to buy at Publix.

• 33:55Speaker 01

  Yes, it's true. And so this is the best example, the Barbados cherry. Look at the vitamin C line compared to a Bing cherry. 1,600 plus milligrams of vitamin C versus a Bing cherry, seven to 10.

• 34:09Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 34:10Speaker 01

  This is something I grow in my yard that my kids eat. You can't get it.

• 34:14Danny Jones?

  What is a Bing cherry?

• 34:16Speaker 01

  Just a standard cherry.

• 34:17Danny Jones?

  This is the stuff you buy at the grocery store?

• 34:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, something, it's in your cocktail.

• 34:21Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 34:21Speaker 01

  Uh, it's pretty much a standard cherry.

• 34:24Danny Jones?

  And you can grow, you can grow the Barbados ones here?

• 34:26Speaker 01

  Yes, the Frost fucked it up pretty hard, but even look at the vitamin A line. 38 micrograms. I don't know what that is.

• 34:34Danny Jones?

  Way less potassium.

• 34:36Speaker 01

  Well.

• 34:37Danny Jones?

  Bing's better for heart health and blood pressure. Interesting.

• 34:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, you know, and it's not going to be one to one, but if vitamin C is important as they say.

• 34:45Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 34:45Speaker 01

  Look at that. I mean, you eat one Barbados cherry. How many bings would you have to eat to get that much vitamin C? So that one, look at that. One Barbados cherry is a thousand, is 1,800% of your daily value. So this is something you cannot get and most people don't know exists. I put it in the ground and it yielded 200 of them.

• 35:07Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 35:08Speaker 01

  To me, this is where conspiracy mind, the conspiracy mindset should lead people. I, I've been toying around with the term green pill, but I'm so sick of the pill stuff, the red pill, the black pill.

• 35:19Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 35:20Speaker 01

  But, you know, I'm green pill now, where I really do think that.

• 35:24Danny Jones?

  Turned into a real hippie.

• 35:25Speaker 01

  Well, what more do I need to know about nine 11 or COVID?

• 35:28Danny Jones?

  Exactly.

• 35:29Speaker 01

  What more do I need to know? This, this actually has value to me.

• 35:32Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 35:32Speaker 01

  You know, if I unpack nine 11 to the, to the point that it's like, is it nanothermite or is Dr. Judy Wood right? What difference does it make to my kids' lives and the lives of my family?

• 35:43Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 35:43Speaker 01

  This makes a fucking difference.

• 35:44Danny Jones?

  Totally.

• 35:44Speaker 01

  Both of them are things we're not supposed to talk about, or I mean, you could say that no one cares if we talk about this. But it's clearly not taught in school. It's clearly not available to us in the matrix world. And this is one of the things. So, and I even did some research on other areas because I grew up in the Midwest and I knew people would listen and say, well, I mean, that's Florida. Okay. Well, the pawpaw was what Native Americans grew more than anything else. We don't have that anymore. It also has a crazy high vitamin nutrient content. Also, there's another slide that's, because I looked up, what are the most common things that grow easily in the Midwest that are not commonly available in stores?

• 36:26Speaker 01

  And I got like four different berries I'd never heard of. And then I compared them to blackberries and blueberries. Sure enough, more nutrients. And it's like, what the hell? What is that? You know, to me, that's, that's the big conspiracy. They definitely want us weaker fluoride in the water, EMFs everywhere, glyphosate on all of our food, you know, it's all trash. And that's the other thing. I'm comparing glyphosate free organic food picked right off the vine to stuff in a shipping container that's been sitting there for two weeks. It ends up in your grocery store. Even organic stuff is covered in preservative type things.

• 37:04Speaker 01

  So there's another slide in there where it's like, so there's a lot of esoteric nutritionists who talk about the spiritual energy in the plant and all this. I don't know about that. But even conventionally speaking, when you pick something from the tree, it starts losing its nutrient content right then.

• 37:24Danny Jones?

  Very quickly.

• 37:25Speaker 01

  If it's been sitting in transit and then on the shelf and then you buy it and then you take it home and then it still sits on your counter a few days. Based on some of these estimates, in a week, it's easy to lose, easy for it to have lost 30% of its nutrient content.

• 37:39Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 37:40Speaker 01

  So we need to start picking our fruit. We gotta start, we gotta start planting our stuff and picking it.

• 37:45Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 37:45Speaker 01

  You know, why do you need to be online anymore? That's, that's the thing is I feel like after 15 years, I know that the system won't change. Another thing Gordon used to say is, what makes you think you get to fight Sauron? You know, like he loved Lord of the Rings, but he's like, a lot of us are the Bilbo Baggins. What does Bilbo do? You know, you make small changes in your area that have outsized impacts that change the fields, the positive field. And I kind of believe that, like, I'm not going to get to confront the Rothschilds directly. That's okay. I don't need to.

• 38:21Danny Jones?

  Yeah, there's also like, you know, even if you go to a place like Costa Rica and you get the bananas, they have grocery stores there, you can buy bananas, mangoes, all those fruits, whatever. You buy them, they're literally going bad the next day, maybe two days later. Right? You can leave those same fruits that you buy at Publix here in Florida on your countertop and they're good for a week, two weeks.

• 38:39Speaker 01

  I know.

• 38:39Danny Jones?

  Even longer sometimes. And that doesn't happen over there because they're not fricking juicing them up with all these preservatives and shit.

• 38:48Speaker 01

  So I think that matters a lot. It's a little boring to talk about permaculture and food, but it's like, this has value. You'll, how many podcasts will you hear about fluoride in the water? You know, you can spend thousands of hours. You'll never hear people talk about this, but look right there, day eight to 14, 30 to 50% loss in fragile vitamins. I believe there's also something in here that says, oh yeah, at the bottom, vitamin C, which nutrients disappear first? Vitamin C.

• 39:15Danny Jones?

  Interesting.

• 39:16Speaker 01

  Oxidation causes it to lose its impact very, very quickly.

• 39:20Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 39:20Speaker 01

  B vitamins as well.

• 39:21Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 39:22Speaker 01

  There is no, you can't put that in a pill, I don't believe. You know, if you look at how they discovered that, by the way, like, all these people were getting scurvy, right? So they looked at the oranges and fruit and like, oh, they have a vitamin C deficiency. Well, how did they determine that? If you look at the literature, so say some of the naturopaths that I listen to, they determined it by cutting up the orange, taking out the parts, spinning them in a centrifuge, mixing them with formaldehyde, using various dyes so that you could see them under the microscope because you can't see living, like things under the microscope very easily unless they're heavily manipulated. And so then they said, oh, that thing, that little squiggle right there, we're going to call that vitamin C. And that is why oranges are healthy.

• 40:06Speaker 01

  It's like, actually, maybe it's the whole orange.

• 40:08Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 40:08Speaker 01

  Maybe there isn't one thing in the orange you can take out and put in a pill and sell on a shelf. You just got to eat the fucking orange.

• 40:16Danny Jones?

  That's a good point, man.

• 40:17Speaker 01

  So to me, this is just, this is where I'm at now. I've, I've got an acre of land. I moved out of California. Got to move out of California. Can't be a conspiracy guy living in California.

• 40:27Danny Jones?

  Depends what part of California you're in.

• 40:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true. But I came out here to get more land and to try to dip my toe into these waters. And it's going quite well. And like I said, like the four things that have been easiest to grow, meringa is another one. Meringa, you can buy powdered meringa, but you cannot buy fresh meringa.

• 40:48Danny Jones?

  Interesting.

• 40:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, so here's, here's meringa. Oh, no, this is mulberry.

• 40:53Danny Jones?

  What is meringa?

• 40:54Speaker 01

  Meringa is a, a green. So I compared meringa to kale and spinach. So look at the protein line of fresh meringa. Look at the iron line, the calcium and the vitamin C. Vitamin C, you don't eat your greens for vitamin C necessarily. That's your fruits. But on protein, iron and calcium, it's winning. And where is it in the grocery store?

• 41:18Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 41:18Speaker 01

  Again, you can buy it powdered. You can add it to your smoothies. But if we're going to talk about the nutrient loss over time, do you think powdering it helps? You know, my kids go out and they strip a, a thin of meringa and they pop it in their mouth. I think that's good for them. I'm, I'm doing what I can because again, the Bilbo Baggins thing, like we aren't going to beat the system. We aren't going to topple it. All you can do is find a way to get yourself off the teat of the system. Cause we all know the phrase, you don't bite the hand that feeds. If you're dependent on the system, what kind of critic can you truly be?

• 41:55Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 41:56Speaker 01

  So that's kind of my attitude now is if I want to criticize the system, I need to wean myself off of it. It's not easy. I'm definitely not a farmer. It's not in my nature at all.

• 42:05Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 42:05Speaker 01

  But doing what I can.

• 42:07Danny Jones?

  Well, I mean, Greg, a lot of people in this country, they can't afford fruits and vegetables from the grocery store, especially for, uh, you know, fresh stuff. So the government is going to be kind enough to offer us a free universal worldwide vaccine that will cover all this stuff. So we don't need to do that.

• 42:25Speaker 01

  Got to vaccinate the apples.

• 42:26Danny Jones?

  Just march yourself and your children into the, into your local clinic and you can get this vaccine and it'll solve all of your problems.

• 42:32Speaker 01

  Amen. I mean, it's easy to believe that, right? Another thing about the conspiracy mindset, and what did bother me for a long time is when you have your initial wake up moment and you're like, oh, everything is bullshit. Money isn't real. It's all built on debt. How, if the banks print the money and every loan is given out at interest. Who has that interest? Only the banks print the money. So you're in debt always, which means they got you by the balls and they're gonna make the decisions, major decisions in your life. It's gonna be about trying to get out of the musical chairs system that is debt. Well, back, back in that day, I was a GameStop store manager. There was no shot for me.

• 43:16Speaker 01

  I had quit my job, or I mean, I had quit school, dropped out of college. I had, I was in retail management only was my resume. I had to throw a fucking hail Mary. I started the podcast because I was like the only way for me to find success, the way I determine it, which is really like no boss, wake up when I want to, decide what I do tomorrow and make enough money that I don't care about the bills, really. I gotta do it myself. There's no one who is gonna hire me into that position of success, the way I deemed it.

• 43:47Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 43:47Speaker 01

  And the, what I learned is like, Americans are bred to be consumers. Give them something to consume. You know, I can't believe how successful the podcast has been. And it's because I did not know, cause unless you produce something, you don't know how eager people might be to, to buy it, you know, hypothetically. But I knew I ran a $2 million store and they paid me $35,000 a year to run it. That's crazy.

• 44:14Danny Jones?

  That is crazy.

• 44:15Speaker 01

  So you gotta get out of that. So there's so many people there, and that's what would bother me is I would say ignorance is bliss because we got our friends that are working at similar shitty jobs, but they're happy. It's like, I would resent that. I would get envious. Like, man, I wish I could just do this job and be happy. Wouldn't that be nice? It's a lot easier than trying to throw a fucking hail Mary and make something work for myself.

• 44:37Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 44:38Speaker 01

  That's that, that's that ignorance. Why, when you awaken to a lot of that bullshit, the economic stuff, it gets kind of scary because now you are in a position where if you want to find happiness, you have to extract yourself from that. It's hard to do. Not everyone can start a podcast. I mean, apparently they can. You know, 15 years ago, I felt saturated already. Now it's truly saturated.

• 45:02Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

• 45:04Speaker 01

  But now, the, the other side is, I would not tell everyone to start a podcast, but I would say, you can align yourself with some of these naturally abundant things and make a pretty good living. I know someone who has a nursery, because if you grow a mulberry plant, you can cut off parts of it, put them in pots, and then they'll grow, and then you sell them. And it just keeps doing, it keeps regenerating. So you can keep doing that. Biochar is a popular thing. You've probably heard the theory that the Amazon was actually cultivated. It's not just a natural thing.

• 45:36Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 45:36Speaker 01

  They've looked at lidar.

• 45:37Danny Jones?

  It's a Graham Hancock thing, right?

• 45:38Speaker 01

  Sure. They look at, you know, all these kind of different radars, and they find that there is a method to the madness, that it, when you look at the rubble, which is where old cities and structures used to be, it's more dense there, implying that that was cultivated, rather than just a random distribution through the jungle. So, what they found is terra prata is what does that. That's biochar. It's basically just biomass burned, and, you know, you do some stuff to it, and, and then it's like, it's like ash. And you put that in the soil, and it works really well. Biochar at the nursery I go to is $900 a cubic yard.

• 46:20Speaker 01

  Anyone could make it with lawn clippings and tree trimmings and the food scraps you have.

• 46:26Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 46:26Speaker 01

  So if you have a backyard, you could, and you get a big metal drum, you could start a biochar company off of trash and probably make a hundred grand a year. You could, like I say, you could trim off the, the twigs that aren't going to go anywhere. Take your tree trimmings from your fruit-producing trees, put them in the ground, go to the farmer's market, and you could get started that way. There are paths to making really good money that involve engaging with nature. And this, this archetype of the poor farmer, doing the backbreaking work, barely getting by, miserable life, one harvest away from complete, absolute ruin.

• 47:06Speaker 01

  That was injected into us for a reason. The earth is abundant and it wants, it's like, "Help me help you." It really wants to help. I just interviewed Joel Saladin, who's like one of the most famous farmers, or is polyface farmers, his big thing. He talked about Azita Baxter, a bacteria that it pulls nitrogen from the air for you into the soil if there's 8% organic matter in the soil. It just, it emerges out of, out of nothing, and it is a living bacteria that pulls nitrogen down from the air.

• 47:37Danny Jones?

  It emerges out of nothing?

• 47:38Speaker 01

  Well, that, what, how'd the Amazon get there? I mean, you set the conditions right and things emerge.

• 47:43Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 47:44Speaker 01

  You know, it's, it's a weird thing, but there is a magical quality to setting the conditions right, and then things come. It's like the chicken or egg question, really. Like, how did we get it? How did it start? It emerged. So, this bacteria tends to emerge and it fixes the nitrogen in the soil for you, one of the main things you need in healthy soil. There is almost no soil that has 8% organic material in it. You're looking at 2% tops in most areas. So, he's cultivated his land over a couple decades, and now it's working for him. It's like a snowball effect.

• 48:18Danny Jones?

  Where is it?

• 48:19Speaker 01

  I believe it's in Kentucky or Tennessee.

• 48:21Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 48:21Speaker 01

  Somewhere near Appalachia area. But, when you look at the Amazon as an example, it is abundance on steroids because someone got the ball rolling, and those people aren't even there anymore, and you look at it and you're like, "What the hell is that?" There's species that exist there that exist nowhere else on earth. Many thousands. How is that possible? What is the relationship between magic and the natural world? And how do things emerge? Is it all just evolution? Is it all just crossbreeding and this and that? I don't know. I don't think that justifies and explains everything you see in the Amazon.

• 48:54Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 48:55Speaker 01

  So, I used to get stoned and watch these Planet Earth things about the mating rituals of birds. It's insane. It is Avatar.

• 49:01Danny Jones?

  It is.

• 49:01Speaker 01

  It is like Avatar. So, I think some of that can be brought back. Our ground is dead because they knew it's just like you kill off the people who have any spirituality outside of the paradigm and you kill off the people who have any talent in the realm of consciousness and magic and you destroy the land and you it's it's increasing in it's a it's an attack that keeps increasing so you kill the land and you take people off of it we economically so many people can't afford land I had to come to Florida to do it luckily I have a job where I can live wherever I want but I couldn't have had an acre of land in California but I couldn't have afforded it I paid thirty five thousand in income tax to the state of Florida the same salary I used

• 49:46Speaker 01

  to make at GameStop wow I couldn't in good conscience let that happen every year right with the kids I couldn't just my kids and I you have you know you have kids too it's like what did the next thirty years look like for these kids yeah it's hard to know right we gotta we have to be prepared to help them out in ways that like we probably didn't need to be helped or even our parents didn't need to be helped the big thing about boomers is like why can't you just pull yourself up by our bootstraps where you had every fucking opportunity in the world handed to you

• 50:16Danny Jones?

  right you know why are people quiet quitting why is Gen Z not working it's are they lazy or have

• 50:23Speaker 01

  they divested because they're like fuck all that mm-hmm yeah the Amazon's very interesting it is

• 50:30Danny Jones?

  you know we've I've had people on here who live in the Amazon who explain it being like a whole not like living in a whole nother dimension because when you go down there and you're just surrounded by all the millions and millions of beating hearts from the insects to the birds to the monkeys to everything else it like unlocks this like buried hidden sense that you that we have inside of us where we're just like like our intuition sort of like really come online when you're there and it's interesting because it's so disconnected from the modern world from technology from everything else and like you're grounded in nature maybe like the true reality of what this is and and he explains like every time he comes back to New York he gets depressed and

• 51:14Danny Jones?

  he misses the Amazon he's like fuck yeah this sucks yeah the electrification of the big cities is a whole nother thing too like they've really

• 51:24Speaker 01

  Driven us, they've domesticated us and driven us into the pens. And they're gonna get worse too. Now, people are like rallying against 15 minute cities, right?

• 51:32Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 51:32Speaker 01

  It's like, you're already there.

• 51:34Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 51:34Speaker 01

  What, what are you so worried about that's really much different from the way you live now?

• 51:38Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 51:39Speaker 01

  Publix will be closer. Isn't that good? If you consider Publix the good place to get food, which it is not, if you consider it a good place to get food, why not make it closer?

• 51:47Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 51:48Speaker 01

  So, I think a lot of people, they get paranoid about the new incremental movements in the big conspiracy, when really, all that attention should just be spent to divesting from it because it's either gonna get better or worse. If it's going to get worse, what are you gonna do to make your life better?

• 52:07Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 52:08Speaker 01

  It's all it is.

• 52:09Danny Jones?

  Right. But that's progress. That's how we define progress, right? Is more safety, more it's, more fail safes for us. We don't have to fear as much. It's more of like a comfort for, for normal, everyday people, right?

• 52:25Speaker 01

  Sure, you gotta sell it somehow.

• 52:26Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that's how they buy it, though.

• 52:28Speaker 01

  That is the sales pitch and the, the alternative is that living in a rural area and, and doing all the work yourself is really hard. It is, but I mean, you've had guests that talk about grounding. You've had guests that talk about the value of natural sunlight.

• 52:43Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 52:43Speaker 01

  What are you doing when you move a wheelbarrow of dirt from one yard of the, from one side of the yard to the other?

• 52:48Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 52:48Speaker 01

  You know?

• 52:49Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 52:49Speaker 01

  We can't all look like you. I'm skinny and fat at the same time. I'm working on it, though. I'm working on it, okay?

• 52:55Danny Jones?

  Well, yeah, no, I mean, I mean, the, the natural sunlight is very important. And with like the advancement of, or I don't know if you call it advancement, but with like the explosion of these, uh, these gig economy workers that are just like sitting at their laptops in their house all day, taking random jobs to get them through the week or through the month or whatever, and never having to go outside because they live in like a huge building and they're stuck in a little apartment. Um, that's really bad. And I had this girl Alexis Cowan explain to me that that's like the same thing as like, what happens to the orcas at SeaWorld, when they're not out in the, in the ocean and they're stuck in these little pens. They literally go crazy.

• 53:33Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 53:33Danny Jones?

  They go psychologically insane, and that's the same thing that happens to humans when they're not experiencing the normal circadian rhythm.

• 53:40Speaker 01

  Yes, and I'm so glad you said that, because another thought that I've been on lately is when you see boomers that are out there, like with their, on their lawn, and they're looking at every little blade of grass, and they're getting the corner, and they're making sure there's not a dandelion there, which is actually, you know, very nutritious and healthy for you, but you're making sure there's no weeds, making sure it's all pristine. I one time in Vegas went to the Siegfried and Roy place where they keep all their big cats. It smelled like piss. There was areas where it was like beaten into the ground where these big cats just run this track back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. They are psychologically damaged.

• 54:19Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 54:19Speaker 01

  They are a wild animal that has been caged and domesticated against its will. That's what I think of the boomer who's doing that with his lawn. You are supposed to be a steward of the earth. You are supposed to be cultivating abundance for everyone around you by engaging with the, the earth and everything around you.

• 54:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 54:36Speaker 01

  And because your brain is broken, you're just growing grass and you're making sure that the grass is nice. It's a pathology.

• 54:43Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow.

• 54:44Speaker 01

  In my, in my mind, in my mind.

• 54:45Danny Jones?

  That's a fucking good observation.

• 54:47Speaker 01

  It was only when I started working with the land and thinking about this whole thing, like Jim Gale, a couple other people I've interviewed, they talk about how many acres of grass and lawn is being grown compared to food-producing land. It's insane. Everyone should just scrap the lawn and plant fruit trees and, and fruit bushes, but the HOAs won't let you. Again, at every turn, there is a mechanism to keep you from actually engaging with nature and from consciousness. They can't cut off your head, but they will do everything else to keep you from engaging with your inner world and having outsized effects. But yeah, the domesticated boomer is a fun thing to think about, just because it's like...

• 55:29Speaker 01

  It's a pathology. You're obsessing over something, but there's something in your subconscious that knows you should engage with the landscape.

• 55:37Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 55:38Speaker 01

  But it's manifesting itself in absolutely the wrong way. And it is like a caged animal.

• 55:42Danny Jones?

  It is. It's very, it's a very good analogy. That's hilarious, actually.

• 55:47Speaker 01

  I like it.

• 55:47Danny Jones?

  Going back to the Amazon stuff, can you find, Steve, what the conventional explanation is for the terra prata in the Amazon? Because the whole idea of the Amazon being manmade, that's not accepted, right? That's kind of like a Graham Hancock conspiracy theory that he's come up with.

• 56:03Speaker 01

  I don't know anymore.

• 56:03Danny Jones?

  I've heard so many people go back and forth on this. I don't know like what the accepted narrative is.

• 56:09Speaker 01

  I think it's somewhat accepted now. I think. Again, I just don't know. I'm so deep in it, man. I don't know what regular people think anymore.

• 56:17Danny Jones?

  Uh, right. It's okay. It's the highly fertile.

• 56:20Speaker 01

  Manmade.

• 56:21Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow.

• 56:22Speaker 01

  Enriched soil created by pre-Columbian indigenous populations in the Amazon Basin.

• 56:26Danny Jones?

  Four between 450 and 950 CE.

• 56:31Speaker 01

  There you go. Organic waste, including charcoal, biochar, animal bones, and food scraps. Now, once you get it cooking, there's biomass all the time, just like kind of replenishing the soil. When I had our, I mean, we were installing our own food forest and then we got some help and they installed some things that don't grow, that don't produce food. And his whole thing was, oh, this is chop and drop. What you want to do is just come through with a machete, chop it, it'll regrow. Just chop it, throw it on the ground, and like, let's fix the sandy floor to soil. You gotta get, you gotta get organic material on the soil.

• 57:06Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 57:06Speaker 01

  Because it's all dead. So this will take years and it'll probably be my life's accomplishment to get one acre of land somewhat fertile and then I'll die.

• 57:19Danny Jones?

  Well, at least your kids will have it.

• 57:20Speaker 01

  Yeah. I told them they're not allowed to sell anything. We are acquiring land in this family and you never sell it because what are you gonna get? Couple hundred grand? It goes fast.

• 57:30Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 57:30Speaker 01

  The land, this is, this is what we're doing.

• 57:33Danny Jones?

  The biggest problem with Florida is the toll roads, like one of the big, like the toll roads they're trying to build between interstate from coast to coast because they're, they're blocking off the, the natural wildlife corridors that exist here because it's so, obviously because Florida is like this narrow pathway from south to north, the wildlife, they have to be able to navigate like during different seasons, like from, they, they migrate from the top of Florida back down to the bottom towards the Everglades. And when they have all these toll roads and stuff, you're blocking them off because there, and there's, there's constantly being more toll roads and more huge subdivisions with like thousands of cookie cutter homes being proposed to be installed in the middle of Florida in between all these toll roads.

• 58:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:16Danny Jones?

  It's fucking insane.

• 58:16Speaker 01

  It is.

• 58:17Danny Jones?

  And, um, and, uh, you know, that's, that's one of the big issues with, um, Ron DeSantis, the governor of Florida right now. And what he's been, he's been doing like to his credit, like one of the few things you can say that's good about him is that, uh, you know, besides the COVID stuff is that he's actually been working with, um, some of the activists to get to stop these toll roads and to, and another thing that they did was a lot of the, um, the cattle ranchers in Florida, like the native cattle ranchers who own these like hundreds and hundreds of acres of cattle ranches. Um, they were getting huge offers from real estate developers to basically, you know, these people were like third, fourth generation cattle, and they got handed this fucking land, right? From their great, great

• 59:00Danny Jones?

  grandparents. So like, they may not live here anymore. They may not, they may be leasing it out to like other farms. And they're getting like multi-million dollar, hundreds of millions of dollars offers for real estate developers to develop their land and sell their cattle ranches. And what, um, I think Ron DeSantis implemented, I couldn't be, I make sure it was him. But basically what got passed in Florida is that now Florida will

• 59:26Danny Jones?

  Pay those cattle ranchers like a huge amount of money to not sell it to real estate developers. So that now they're incentivized to not sell it, which is great.

• 59:36Speaker 01

  It is, but I don't love that move either because it requires tax dollars. It's it's a subsidy kind of, and they're not using the land the right way. It's better than nothing. It's better than a highway.

• 59:47Danny Jones?

  It's better than sending it to Israel.

• 59:48Speaker 01

  It's better than a toll or China's buying up our farmland, apparently they say, so.

• 59:53Danny Jones?

  Yeah, but isn't our government, I mean, I heard the Florida government or the um, we're giving Florida taxpayer dollars to Israel like as donations.

• 1:00:01Speaker 01

  Oh, I yeah, I mean, federal dollars as well. Yes.

• 1:00:06Danny Jones?

  Is this it? Okay, controversial solar road expansion champion by DeSantis originally conceived as M. Corps toll. Oh, this is the toll road stuff.

• 1:00:15Speaker 01

  So we've covered toll roads, we've covered growing food. What other, should we talk about the weather? What else will get people to get off of this thing?

• 1:00:22Danny Jones?

  Bro, a lot of people think the hurricanes were CIA weather.

• 1:00:26Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:00:26Danny Jones?

  Weapons.

• 1:00:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, sure.

• 1:00:27Danny Jones?

  Bro, I had a, literally when those, we had those last two hurricanes two years ago or a year and a half ago, whenever it was when those uh, Helene and Milton came through and like flooded the shit out of us. I would talk to maybe like five or six of my norm normie everyday family members who aren't into any crazy conspiracy stuff. And they all thought the CIA sent these hurricanes to Florida.

• 1:00:49Speaker 01

  That's good. You know, one of the craziest things about Dr. Judy Wood's work, you know, she is the one who wrote, Where Did the Towers Go? It is a great like college level textbook full of full color images about the wreckage of the Twin Towers. She, her whole argument is look at the actual wreckage and there are things going on in the wreckage that are way beyond belief. Two planes did not knock down those buildings because why are there fused metals? And why are there just all kinds of bizarre stuff? She has her own terminology. And when you look at it, when you flip through the pictures and you're like, yeah, there's some weird stuff going on in the wreckage. What did they do with the wreckage? They got it out of there as soon as they could, right? There were all these stories like they're putting it on barges to China, get it out of there. That's another thing about conspiracy.

• 1:01:34Danny Jones?

  What did they do with all of it?

• 1:01:36Speaker 01

  They got it out of there.

• 1:01:37Danny Jones?

  What did you do when they put it?

• 1:01:38Speaker 01

  I don't, but I know that you're not supposed to, you're not supposed to fuck with a crime scene. But yet, in the case of Charlie Kirk, in the case of nine 11, they fuck with the crime scene. They cover it up and obscure it as fast as they can. Why? Because the evidence of what happened is there. But with Dr. Judy Wood, that morning, there were weathermen in New York talking about a hurricane that was headed their way. And the hurricane unprecedentedly spun off out into the ocean. Why this is important is because-

• 1:02:07Danny Jones?

  On what day?

• 1:02:08Speaker 01

  On nine 11, the morning of. And why this is important is Judy Wood says that the field-based technology that they used to take down the Twin Towers, she calls it dustification. They didn't just fall, they like literally turned to dust. This field effect technology affects hurricanes. So when they employed it over the World Trade Center complex, it's almost like, like a magnet pushed the hurricane out to the ocean. No one talks about the hurricane because two buildings fell that day. Well, more than that. But the point is, it is a bit of circumstantial evidence to try to wrap your head around what really took the Twin Towers down. If it, if a technology that is not public took them down, it's going to be very hard to figure out, right?

• 1:02:54Speaker 01

  And that's what I think happened. Because this abundance stuff, it's not just food. There's been, I mean, I brought these notes because the main thing I didn't want to forget was all these people who have stumbled across abundance in a technological sense, a scientific sense, ether physics, Stanley Meyer got cars to run on water. There's a, and all these people, they either die prematurely, they have their labs and work destroyed, they have their patents purchased and they get scammed out of the company. It's the same play. It's the same play as getting us off of-

• 1:03:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, China buys tons of scrap metal and that was like right away. They, they got it the hell out of there. Look, January 26th, I mean, that's even a little outdated. My understanding is the very week of nine 11 instead of analyzing everything and looking for the dead bodies and doing all the things you do. They got that the hell out of there. And nine 11, the ground zero area, it bubbled and boiled for like a week after.

• 1:03:50Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:03:51Speaker 01

  Did two planes do that? Two planes did that, huh? Makes no fucking sense. The thing is they lie to us about everything and that's really, I think you're better off starting from that position. I wore this hat as a fun little thing. I think when you were on Rogan, you said you gotta be a real fucking idiot to believe that the moon landing is fake.

• 1:04:07Danny Jones?

  Yeah, right, right, right. I was being, I was kinda joking. I was really.

• 1:04:11Speaker 01

  Well, yeah.

• 1:04:11Danny Jones?

  Anyone who believes that is automatically painted as a fool.

• 1:04:14Speaker 01

  Fair. Well, that's good. I mean, I am a fool and I'm, I'm fine with it.

• 1:04:18Danny Jones?

  Me too.

• 1:04:19Speaker 01

  Because I just think that the default, that would be like the one example, if you believe that the Apollo missions are what they are and take them at face value, it'd be the one example where a military adjacent organization, because I think we can all say NASA's military adjacent. Did they ever display their best technology live on TV?

• 1:04:39Speaker 01

  Pretty, pretty rare for that to happen, but they did it then. And then they broadcasted it live? I have to look this up every other month. My memory is, my memory is shot from the weed.

• 1:04:48Danny Jones?

  You have to sell yourself every other month.

• 1:04:50Speaker 01

  I cannot believe that the official story is that the Apollo moon landing where they walked in the moon was actually live broadcast from the moon. I have to remind myself because it's such an outrageous thing.

• 1:05:04Danny Jones?

  It's outrageous.

• 1:05:05Speaker 01

  Absolutely not true. People still believe it because they want to, but it would be also the one example, they lied to us about COVID, they lied to us about nine 11, World War II, there's some questions to be asked.

• 1:05:17Danny Jones?

  JFK, MKUltra.

• 1:05:18Speaker 01

  But they were honest about the moon landing.

• 1:05:20Danny Jones?

  Operation Northwoods.

• 1:05:21Speaker 01

  That was for the good of mankind and we're totally genuine and authentic in our presentation of it.

• 1:05:27Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:05:28Speaker 01

  I don't believe it.

• 1:05:28Danny Jones?

  And it looks the most real.

• 1:05:30Speaker 01

  Oh, it looked, yeah.

• 1:05:31Danny Jones?

  It just looks so real, right?

• 1:05:34Speaker 01

  But that's the thing is, I think the, where the conspiracy community should be focused is on these inventors who had a better concept for natural abundance. Again, it's not just the soil, but the air too. Ether is real. I've done electroculture experiments, which is so simple, but it's just a copper rod that wraps around a wooden dowel and you stick it in the ground and it draws etheric energy from the air into the soil and your plants grow better. I don't know why, it's real though, and there's been people who have created devices that harness etheric energy.

• 1:06:14Speaker 01

  I really do think that there's a story to be told that connects alcohol prohibition, Reefer Madness, and the Hindenburg. So strange, right? Have you ever heard the alcohol prohibition conspiracy? The alternative take?

• 1:06:33Danny Jones?

  Remind me.

• 1:06:34Speaker 01

  So, the official story is that all these little housewives were just upset about how drunk their husbands were getting, so they went out there and grassroots campaigned and they championed it and they got alcohol off the market because people were getting too drunk. That's the official story of prohibition, that it was about drinking, right? And then we hear these alternative stories of like the mob got into it and speakeasies and all this.

• 1:06:57Danny Jones?

  I thought the mob stuff was accepted.

• 1:06:58Speaker 01

  Well, it is accepted, but the point is that it's always framed as based on drinking.

• 1:07:04Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:07:05Speaker 01

  No, it was a competition for oil. Alcohol, cars could run on alcohol, farmers could take their chicken, or I keep saying chicken because we give our kitchen scraps to our chickens, but you could take your kitchen scraps, ferment them in a bin, create alcohol, and run your own tractor, run your own car, run your own shit. They took that away with prohibition. That was what it was about. The government doesn't give a fuck if you drink yourself dead. They don't give a fuck. But we, we've been sold this lie that it was all about drinking and that these nice little housewives with no power whatsoever somehow accomplished something because that's rah rah America. They were funded by Rockefeller. It's pretty easy to look up that Rockefeller funded the temperance movement, that's the money. Why did he care?

• 1:07:50Speaker 01

  Because he makes money on oil. So prohibition was about keeping alcohol out of the market so we could have an oil-only economy. Move on to Reefer Madness, move on to marijuana, same exact story. I've grown weed in California, I know how easy it is. They call it weed for a reason, grows so fast. You can grow four crops a year in a spare bedroom. You should be able to make good money. I didn't know anyone who had money, so we just offset one of our own costs. You know what I mean? But it, as a textile, it works great. It can replace plastics. It also worked as a fuel. I think one of the slides I gave is like a little infographic about Henry Ford. One of his early cars, not only did it run on hemp, but it was made out of hemp and it was stronger than steel.

• 1:08:36Danny Jones?

  What?

• 1:08:37Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, I couldn't believe it myself.

• 1:08:39Danny Jones?

  Do we have any evidence of cars running on alcohol?

• 1:08:41Speaker 01

  What does that say? Ten times. One of Henry Ford's first cars ran entirely on hemp ethanol and the body was constructed from hemp plastic, ten times stronger than steel. So this again, same story. They did not care about people smoking weed at all. They cared about this. So you have to find, because another, another proof is that hemp and marijuana are not even the fucking same. I mean, they are, that's the male part of the plant, but hemp will not get you high.

• 1:09:09Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:09:09Speaker 01

  The female part of the plant gets you high.

• 1:09:11Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:09:11Speaker 01

  So why, why is hemp banned? Why did they lump hemp in? It makes no logical sense unless you understand that the whole point-

• 1:09:18Danny Jones?

  I thought this had something to do with the printing press and, um,

• 1:09:23Danny Jones?

  uh, what was the guy's name? William Randolph Hearst?

• 1:09:25Speaker 01

  Well, the, so the printing press obviously was way before that, but William Randolph Hearst is part of the story. He is a wealthy robber baron who owned a lot of redwoods. And of course, the timber industry, the paper industry.

• 1:09:39Danny Jones?

  Paper, right.

• 1:09:40Speaker 01

  So another thing, I, I was reading this the other day. When they make, uh, paper, they call it wood pulp. Wood pulp has to, it involves a lot of a chemical processing. It's actually bad for your skin. It absorbs into people's skin. They use, I think formaldehyde or arsenic, some crazy shit like that. So again, it's like, the better product is the one you can grow in three months in your backyard. The better product is the one that the farmer can put the kitchen scraps in the, like, that's-

• 1:10:11Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:10:12Speaker 01

  But they, they could not win with a fair fight. They could not win in a free market.

• 1:10:20Speaker 01

  A bioplastic composite of hemp, soybeans, wheat straw and flax. Things people can grow.

• 1:10:25Danny Jones?

  Now, what about the find, we, we, we know for a fact that they had alcohol powered cars?

• 1:10:31Speaker 01

  Yes. I could have brought this big fucking book that I have from David Bloom. Uh, the first cars. Yeah. Well, ethanol, you hear of ethanol.

• 1:10:39Danny Jones?

  You're right.

• 1:10:40Speaker 01

  It's used today. They brought it back after a hundred years because they're like, okay, we'll pepper it in. But even, so there's even a conspiracy about lead and gasoline. So.

• 1:10:50Danny Jones?

  Right. I've heard this one.

• 1:10:52Speaker 01

  Gasoline was a worse product than alcohol for fuel, but they added lead to it. And it helped it become more stable or whatever.

• 1:11:01Danny Jones?

  To the gas.

• 1:11:02Speaker 01

  Yeah. That alone, leaded gasoline has killed millions of people breathing it in, being exposed to it. And then they just removed it later because alcohol was already off the market. Once you clear out the, up the opposition, the alternatives, then you can be like, okay, fine. We'll bring it back. But just think about the damage and the autonomy lost of those two items. Just those two. You know, if we had our own, people would value land if they knew what they could use it for, to grow their own stuff that they would just chop up and use as energy. So that alone is very interesting. Then you fold in the Hindenburg. People who've seen the images of the Hindenburg, it's a big fiery ball falling to the ground.

• 1:11:47Speaker 01

  So the Hindenburg.

• 1:11:48Danny Jones?

  Blimp, right?

• 1:11:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, the blimp.

• 1:11:51Speaker 03

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• 1:12:20Speaker 01

  First off, if you look up how many people died, it's not that many. It's like, half the people jumped, as it was coming down to the ground slowly like a balloon, they jumped off and they were fine. Like, majority of people. It's crazy that more people didn't die. It's not like a plane crash. Plane goes down, you're dead.

• 1:12:36Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:12:37Speaker 01

  Why did they stop using zeppelins 100% because of one crash? They don't do that with planes, they didn't do that with trains, they didn't do that with cars. Because it didn't run on oil. And in fact, the Hindenburg, I can't remember... So, most of the blimps at this time, so like, sky cruises, right? They were luxurious sky cruises, and they were viable, they'd go across the ocean. It was just another form of travel, but it wasn't controlled by the oil-only mafia. So, at the time, I believe it was helium that they used for blimps. Helium is non-flammable.

• 1:13:19Speaker 01

  The US government had a monopoly on helium, and they refused to export it to Germany, who made the blimps. So the Germans said, "Fuck it, we're gonna still use the blimps, we gotta use the blimps, we built the blimps, we're using the blimps." So they decided to put hydrogen in the blimps instead. Hydrogen's flammable. So then there's reports of somebody who saw the Hindenburg that day, he said that he saw a spark shoot at it. They shot an incinerator round and they shot it down. And it lit on fire because they were using a fuel that they had to use because of the US monopoly on helium. If they had been using helium, it never would have happened.

• 1:14:00Speaker 01

  Blimps can just take off like a helicopter, you don't need a giant airport that's government-controlled. You don't need all this stuff. So again, our birthright, my buddy Schwab, not buddy, but a guy I've interviewed a few times, he says they took us off the good timeline. Buy all this stuff. So what are we looking at here?

• 1:14:17Danny Jones?

  Yeah. What do you got here, Steve?

• 1:14:19Speaker 04

  Uh, well, this just backs up what he's saying like, uh, cars originated as a, as a ethanol powered. And then, uh, gasoline came up and then ethanol died because of prohibition.

• 1:14:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:33Danny Jones?

  Right. But what is the connection? What, what is the link? Is ethanol an alcohol?

• 1:14:37Speaker 01

  Ethanol is just alcohol. Uh, yeah, it's just alcohol as a fuel. It's corn. And now in today's world, it's corn. They say 10% ethanol. That means 10% fermented corn. What? It could be a hundred percent if we let Henry Ford's vision take hold. So here's another weird thing. Henry Ford, I own the book, but I haven't looked at it. You'd have to get the actual name of it. Henry Ford wrote a book about the Jews. Very, very negative book. I think it's called like the International Jew and like, uh, it's bold. Just the title's bold. Why did Henry Ford? That's the thing. I'm not anti-Semitic. I don't even care, but I'm interested in why this guy who's considered an American hero

• 1:15:21Speaker 01

  for the invention of the automobile, I'm interested in why he has such a problem with Jewish people to where he would, you know, billionaire, but he's still willing to risk the blowback of putting out a book like the International Jew. It's interesting. Why? Oh, there we go. It is the name of it. The world's, yeah, the world's foremost problem. Put out in 1920, the International Jew, the world's foremost problem. That's bold.

• 1:15:47Danny Jones?

  This is his book?

• 1:15:48Speaker 01

  That's bold, Henry. Yeah.

• 1:15:50Danny Jones?

  Where's the author, Steve?

• 1:15:54Speaker 01

  Don't make me wrong.

• 1:15:55Speaker 04

  Oh, no, it's definitely, it's definitely written by him. I.

• 1:16:00Danny Jones?

  There doesn't say the author on there?

• 1:16:02Speaker 01

  I do just say bullshit, but I'm pretty sure this is right.

• 1:16:05Danny Jones?

  How would they show you a book? I've never seen a book without the author printed on the.

• 1:16:08Speaker 01

  Henry, Henry, yeah. It did say it.

• 1:16:11Speaker 04

  What you're referring to is this.

• 1:16:14Speaker 01

  Anti-Semitic.

• 1:16:15Danny Jones?

  They're making it very difficult.

• 1:16:16Speaker 01

  Funded by Henry Ford. The copy I have has his name on the cover. But it was funded by Henry Ford. He wanted this book to be written.

• 1:16:24Danny Jones?

  Ford's publishing company compiled these defamatory weekly articles into four distinct bound volumes. The International Jew, The World's Foremost Problem. What else? Jewish Activities in the United States, Jewish Influences in American Life, and Aspects of Jewish Power in the United States.

• 1:16:37Speaker 01

  So what is he on about? I think what he's on about is the oil-only oligarchy.

• 1:16:42Danny Jones?

  I drove here in a Ford.

• 1:16:45Speaker 01

  Godspeed, you know?

• 1:16:48Speaker 01

  Praise be to he. But the thing is, is that he saw something going on. He saw mechanisms moving forces beyond his power that were taking his invention and making it a cash cow for them. I find that interesting. So you can take prohibition, the legalization or legalization of marijuana, and the Hindenburg, and all three are the same story, which is these were competitors to oil. The oil people are the bankers. The bankers and the oil people are the 13-bloodline Illuminati families. This is conspiracy in a nutshell. So what can we do? We could probably resurrect some of that technology a little bit. We could probably

• 1:17:29Speaker 01

  start trying to build things that run on alcohol only that you can make yourself. Now, it is dangerous because, like I said, I mean, I got paperwork here that's just all these people who have done this stuff. Some of them is not, it's not even super like esoteric. Some of it is esoteric, where it's free energy devices that use ether physics. But other stuff is like, here's a guy who found a cavitation device that would separate

• 1:17:55Speaker 01

  the H from the O in water, and then it would, it could run for 200 miles a gallon. Or even just taking conventional oil and using a similar process to make conventional oil run 200 miles, a conventional gasoline run 200 miles per gallon. These people, like, they get wiped out.

• 1:18:12Danny Jones?

  Yeah. I've heard the story about the guy who created the water-powered car and how he got assassinated at like a

• 1:18:21Danny Jones?

  Was it a Cracker Barrel or something?

• 1:18:23Speaker 01

  Yes, they, I, I just interviewed somebody who said it was a Cracker Barrel.

• 1:18:26Danny Jones?

  He was like, he got poisoned by somebody.

• 1:18:28Speaker 01

  His last words were, "They poisoned me."

• 1:18:30Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:18:30Speaker 01

  He was meeting with people to talk about his technology in a restaurant, got sick, walked to the parking lot, died. Yeah, because this is the stuff you don't fuck with, like.

• 1:18:41Danny Jones?

  How much of the, I always wonder, like, how much of these stories are just telephone game? You know, just like, just like the ancient religious stories, like the Bible stories.

• 1:18:48Speaker 01

  Why I stacked the deck here, because any one of these in isolation could be bullshit. I don't know.

• 1:18:52Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:18:52Speaker 01

  But I mean, I, do you think that 30 of them are bullshit? Because the template's the same.

• 1:18:56Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:18:57Speaker 01

  The template's the same.

• 1:18:58Danny Jones?

  Very similar.

• 1:18:58Speaker 01

  You know, John Andrews Navy Water Fuel Powder. In 1917, Portuguese-born inventor named John Andrews approached the US Navy claiming he could convert tap water into a three-cent-per-gallon gasoline substitute using a proprietary chemical powder. He successfully demonstrated the fluid before Navy officials at the New York Navy Yard, running a motorboat engine, used his mixture entirely, impressed they were prepared to build a secure testing lab for him. Before the official contract could be finalized, Andrews completely vanished, taking the powder with him. Rumors swirled that he was kidnapped by foreign agents or brought, or bought out by oil executives. I mean, this, I've got like 30 of these fucking things, and the story is always the same.

• 1:19:42Speaker 01

  I'm inclined to believe it's true, like, the big conspiracy. We can talk about, like, what's going on in Antarctica? Did the moon landing happen? These things don't affect our lives. What affects our lives? We could have abundance.

• 1:19:54Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:55Speaker 01

  Kind of a big deal. Your money could go a lot further, even with all the scams, even though it is a debt-based fractional reserve, Rockefeller Rothschild debt-based trap, even though that's true. If you could make your own energy and you can make your own fuel and you can grow your own food. I think that's a lot off of the monthly budget.

• 1:20:16Danny Jones?

  A hundred percent, but most people don't have time to do that because they're stuck in this fucking rat race hamster wheel.

• 1:20:21Speaker 01

  They have time. Look at your screen time. The screen time is exactly proportionate to what you could be doing to create your own abundance. And I'm bad with my screens too. It is what it is. I'm, it's like exercise, you know, I know everybody should do it. And I can sit here and tell everybody that you should get out there and lift some weights, but look at me, I'm not doing that.

• 1:20:42Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:20:43Speaker 01

  So sometimes we can't take our own advice. Doesn't make me feel too bad for saying it like, you gotta get with it. We, and that's, that's what a lot of people are talking about now is Catherine Austin Fitz was here. She won't do my show. She did your show. You actually had her travel. She won't even get on zoom with me. I'm just kidding. I mean, I'm not, it is true that she told me that my show is too ridiculous. And I'm like, hey, come on, we're both friends with Dr. Farrell here.

• 1:21:08Danny Jones?

  Best friends with Joseph.

• 1:21:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, come on. He's a Death Star guy. You won't do my show? Whatever.

• 1:21:12Danny Jones?

  The Rings of Saturn guy.

• 1:21:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, at this point, I don't need her because.

• 1:21:16Danny Jones?

  He didn't write that, nevermind.

• 1:21:17Speaker 01

  No, he didn't. That was.

• 1:21:17Danny Jones?

  She recommended, she sent me that.

• 1:21:18Speaker 01

  But he's the geezer Death Star guy.

• 1:21:20Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:21:21Speaker 01

  At this point, I mean, what I want to do is I want to interview people who aren't doing every other podcast for the most part. So I don't really need Catherine Austin Fitz, although I wish her well, to use the Tim Dillon phrase, but I brought her up.

• 1:21:33Danny Jones?

  She's fun.

• 1:21:34Speaker 01

  She is fun. And she's talks about building the parallel economy, which is what we, this is, this is it, you know, this is what we should do. We should build the parallel economy. We should say, fuck what they're doing. I don't really care that much.

• 1:21:46Danny Jones?

  Yeah, her thing is don't bank with the central banks. Bank, find your small local like credit union bank or whatever and bank with them. Don't, don't do Chase, Bank of America, all these big banks because you're just contributing to this whole problem.

• 1:21:57Speaker 01

  It's true. And I'm, I'm more concerned about spending the money locally. I'm more concerned with like, between where I came from, my, my house and here, I passed like eight ranches, like you say, all the farmland out there. All those ranches have a sign out front with a phone number on it. It's like, if you want to buy your beef, buy it here. That's what I do.

• 1:22:18Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:18Speaker 01

  I have a freezer full of beef that I bought from a guy down the road who raised the cow a couple of miles from my house. You know, ButcherBox, I don't know if there, have we ever got a ButcherBox sponsorship?

• 1:22:28Danny Jones?

  I think we have.

• 1:22:29Speaker 01

  Do you have one currently? Cut it out if you need to.

• 1:22:32Danny Jones?

  Shut the fuck up.

• 1:22:33Speaker 01

  All right.

• 1:22:33Danny Jones?

  I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. No, no, I'm saying this episode will not be sponsored by ButcherBox.

• 1:22:37Speaker 01

  Fair. Well, that when I-

• 1:22:39Danny Jones?

  If it is, it'd be funny to put the ad right after he's-

• 1:22:41Speaker 01

  That would be funny. When I first got into the grass-fed beef thing, I went to ButcherBox because it was convenient, right? But that's beef, and I'm not even saying it's bad meat, but it is shipped from New Zealand. How does that help the American rancher? How does that help our sustainability? It does not. So instead, go to Polyface Farms for the same thing, but it's from Kentucky. Or even better, go to a ranch where you shake the guy's hand and he knows your name and when shit goes down, you have his phone number on your phone. And if Catherine Austin-Fitz is right, and you have all these credits and limitations on what you can spend your money on, you need someone outside of the network.

• 1:23:17Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:23:17Speaker 01

  You're, it's where they're gonna get you is at the checkout line at Publix. Oh, you have too much milk. Oh, you have too much meat. They're not gonna get you with the guy with the ranch-

• 1:23:27Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:23:27Speaker 01

  Between you and me. So-

• 1:23:29Danny Jones?

  Or they're not gonna stop you with your fishing pole.

• 1:23:31Speaker 01

  Right. So I think the, the entropy thing that Dr. Heather Lynn talks about is great because it's really about like slowly weakening everything, even pasteurized milk. I don't know if you've gone down the milk-

• 1:23:44Danny Jones?

  I have. I have.

• 1:23:45Speaker 01

  Raw milk, way better. Also, you can compare the nutrients of a farm, an egg that you made in your backyard. You know, you have your own chickens. An egg gets made in your backyard with free-range hens.

• 1:23:56Danny Jones?

  Steve has chickens.

• 1:23:57Speaker 01

  Good. They're easy as hell.

• 1:23:59Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:24:00Speaker 01

  They're so easy.

• 1:24:01Speaker 04

  And they're so soft.

• 1:24:02Speaker 01

  Well, if they don't mind, don't let me grab them all.

• 1:24:04Danny Jones?

  I don't understand. I thought like the healthy eggs were like the darky, dark, dark orange yolks.

• 1:24:09Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, that's a, that's a visual cue that they're better in general, but Joel Saladin took his eggs and had them analyzed against farm-fresh, or against like store-bought eggs. And his farm-fresh eggs are like 5X. Same with we were, we were doing with the fruits.

• 1:24:24Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:24:25Speaker 01

  So the fruits are there, and then the meat has the same thing. The meat is like 5X better if you get it from just a cow that was raised outside, just left alone.

• 1:24:35Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I eat Steve's egg. I eat, I eat Steve's egg, Steve's eggs that he gets from his chickens, and it's just, it's so different from the, from the eggs you buy from Publix.

• 1:24:43Speaker 01

  Okay, so why isn't it working for me? I'm eating the farm, I'm eating the eggs I grow myself.

• 1:24:47Danny Jones?

  Why isn't it working for you?

• 1:24:48Speaker 01

  Well, I look like you.

• 1:24:51Speaker 01

  No, I kid. But the pasteurization of milk is the same story is they got everyone scared of bacteria in the milk, even though we used to have milkmen that just lay the shit on your front porch and you drink it whenever.

• 1:25:02Danny Jones?

  So you drink only non-pasteurized?

• 1:25:05Speaker 01

  I don't drink only raw milk because it's hard to get, but I do drink raw milk as often as possible and my kids drink raw milk and it's, what they're doing is they're burning out the nutrients.

• 1:25:16Danny Jones?

  What's the deal with it? How's it different?

• 1:25:17Speaker 01

  Pasteurization is basically just heating it up, boiling it a lot.

• 1:25:22Danny Jones?

  To kill the bacteria?

• 1:25:23Speaker 01

  To kill the bad bacteria and as we know now, the good bacteria too.

• 1:25:27Danny Jones?

  Right, right.

• 1:25:28Speaker 01

  So that's really, in a healthy system, that's the only bacteria in there is the good bacteria. Again, this is a psychological operation to condition us to be afraid of nature.

• 1:25:38Danny Jones?

  Does it last the same amount of time? Does it stay, does it stay good for the same amount of time as pasteurized?

• 1:25:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've bought raw milk that wasn't refrigerated. I went to the, I went to a farm and they had it sitting out and he was like, does this bother you? And I was like, yeah, but I'm still gonna buy it. And it was fun. But the pasteurization process, just like all the other things we talked about, it kills the nutrient content. So you're getting 30% of what nature could have gave you without boiling it.

• 1:26:07Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:26:07Speaker 01

  And this is the game. It's like, it makes us weaker. It drains our energy out. You don't even need to fold in fluoride in the water and glyphosate on the food. Just the food itself, it's been drained of its essence.

• 1:26:20Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:20Speaker 01

  And they do this at every turn. And to me, this used to be boring shit, but now it gets me really fired up because of the kids, really, because of like, uh, just wanting my kids to eat the best stuff in a largely toxic world. And people, I have friends who think I'm nuts for drinking raw milk. Did you know in Florida, you're allowed to sell raw milk, but you must put a label on it that says for pet consumption only?

• 1:26:45Danny Jones?

  I had no idea, but that's fucking crazy.

• 1:26:47Speaker 01

  The milk that is in my kid's cereal bowl says on it for dogs and cats only.

• 1:26:52Danny Jones?

  That's insane.

• 1:26:53Speaker 01

  It's fucking crazy. And, and you eventually have to be like, do I trust the system? Can you give it to babies? Well, I hear back in the day, uh, they, people used to travel with a goat because they would feed goat's milk to their babies if mom wasn't around.

• 1:27:07Danny Jones?

  I've heard that, yeah.

• 1:27:08Speaker 01

  So straight from the udder to an infant. That's interesting. I mean, traveling with a goat itself is like, what the fuck? What was going on back then?

• 1:27:16Danny Jones?

  That's next level.

• 1:27:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, people used to be way more self-sufficient.

• 1:27:20Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:27:20Speaker 01

  And they would do what it takes to be self-sufficient. And today, we are such beta cucks. We are just cucks for the whole goddamn system. And if you want to criticize it, as so many people do, you gotta put your money where your mouth is. You gotta start divesting.

• 1:27:35Danny Jones?

  Everyone's gotta go to the trough. Everyone's gotta go to the government-controlled trough to get their slot. We can't just get our own stuff. And I'm, I'm on the same page with you with all of this stuff. And the one thing I would say I am also extremely terrified about, which connects right to all this stuff is how this is happening in like the media world. And basically like, I live and die by YouTube. And YouTube is controlled by Google, which we learned the hard way during the whole COVID times is that like, they can turn you on and off whenever they please, and they answer to the fucking government.

• 1:28:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, I didn't think I would have much to offer you because you got such a tight ship running here, but uh, my whole shit is independent. And now it's not a hundred percent independent because that's almost impossible to do.

• 1:28:20Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:20Speaker 01

  But I have, I was very lucky that YouTube banned me from AdSense very early on. Like back when I still worked at GameStop, a thousand bucks was a lot of money. I had a thousand bucks in my AdSense account and they pulled it and they said, you can't do monetization on your channel anymore. And I was like, thank you, because I wasn't yet invested. And now I know I can't depend on you. And this was a decade before COVID. So that's why my show's only been video for-

• 1:28:46Danny Jones?

  And you still have the same channel?

• 1:28:47Speaker 01

  I have the same channel. I was out and admiring the, the play buttons. They sent you the play button. They never sent me my play button. I'm owed a play button.

• 1:28:56Danny Jones?

  Are you really?

• 1:28:57Speaker 01

  I have a hundred thousand subscribers. That's what you're supposed to get your silver button for.

• 1:29:00Danny Jones?

  The real-

• 1:29:00Speaker 01

  Cheap bastards. Who are you guys gonna talk to for me? We gotta get that play button, just so I can destroy it.

• 1:29:06Danny Jones?

  Did you ever get your AdSense shit refixed?

• 1:29:09Speaker 01

  So funny enough, you gotta fucking engage with the system for this stuff to work, but I did get a marketing company to start making shorts because I didn't want to do it myself.

• 1:29:17Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:17Speaker 01

  And they had a contact and they got it opened up. So my, my channel is still in shambles. You'll see my shows get like eight thousand, 10,000 views. AdSense is basically nothing. We're gonna light the fire on it now, but-

• 1:29:30Danny Jones?

  Yeah, we are.

• 1:29:32Speaker 01

  I'm just a podcast primarily. Podcasts are way more nimble. RSS feeds, as long as you can broadcast them, anyone can grab them. And then

• 1:29:40Danny Jones?

  You subscribe and you get the show.

• 1:29:43Speaker 01

  It doesn't require, again, an intermediary. Exactly what we've been talking about is they weasel themselves in between the consumer and the producer.

• 1:29:51Danny Jones?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:29:52Speaker 01

  So you have YouTube and Spotify now. And that's most of the market.

• 1:29:58Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:29:59Speaker 01

  For a reason. Now COVID is obviously okay to talk about now, but what will be the next thing? There will be a next thing. Probably when they roll out 6G and the next pandemic happens.

• 1:30:09Danny Jones?

  Did you see that something just came out about Fauci and what um, what Tulsi Gabbard just came out with this morning?

• 1:30:14Speaker 01

  On her last day.

• 1:30:15Danny Jones?

  On her last day, she's releasing all these files about him talking to the CIA.

• 1:30:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:19Danny Jones?

  All this stuff that was rejected with the whistleblowers being threatened.

• 1:30:23Speaker 01

  It's like, again, it's like I, this is where I talk about, it's kind of like tabloid shit. Because I know what I need to know about Fauci and about COVID and about that shit.

• 1:30:33Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:30:33Speaker 01

  I'm glad she released some stuff. I hope it convinces some more people. Doesn't really affect my life, but it's good that it's out there. I mean, if we're, I'm gonna say, is it better to be out there or not? Yeah, it's better.

• 1:30:44Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:30:44Speaker 01

  But there's always something like this. Disclosure too.

• 1:30:47Danny Jones?

  Look at the pattern of it, right? It's probably just theater. Everything else seems to be.

• 1:30:50Speaker 01

  Right. And then there's the drip, drip, drip of disclosure. It's like, I don't give a fuck about disclosure. I've read dozens of books with hundreds of cases in there from people who've had bizarre experiences. Isn't it funny how the government disclosure story never really involves witnesses? Chris Bloodsoe might be the only one. Why don't people go to the people who have experiences?

• 1:31:12Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:31:12Speaker 01

  Why do we only care what military guys have to say about it? There's

• 1:31:16Danny Jones?

  Well, what blew my mind the most about all this disclosure stuff, what really like, at least what recently, my mind's always changing. But my recent mind change that I'm still on that trajectory of is when I talked to Peter Lavenda a couple months ago now, and I asked him like, what is overall take? What is, well, like, what's your 30,000 foot view of all this shit? And he goes, he goes, I'll tell you, if I was the CIA and I was the government, I really wanted to know what this stuff was. I would go directly to the experiencers themselves and figure out what's going on inside their brains. Take apart the radio and figure out what it is. He thinks it's all consciousness based. He thinks that's the core of this whole thing is consciousness.

• 1:31:53Speaker 01

  It is. I agree.

• 1:31:55Danny Jones?

  This is the Gabbard releasing the Fauci.

• 1:31:58Speaker 01

  There's a couple of reasons I say it's all consciousness. A major one is because when you look at the data of the experiencers, they're so bizarre that aliens cannot account for it. You don't have a lot of people who see the same being in the same craft do the same thing.

• 1:32:12Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:32:13Speaker 01

  It's like a dream. It's as bizarre as a dream.

• 1:32:16Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:32:16Speaker 01

  So, how can there be blob entities and mantids and fucking reptilians and all this other shit?

• 1:32:23Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:24Speaker 01

  It's some kind of thing going on with the mind.

• 1:32:26Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:32:27Speaker 01

  And that brings us back to magic. I wish the occult scholars and the ufologists would get together more often. You know, you do the debates, you know, and stuff? Get them in here talking to each other. I got the list of names. I'd love to see-

• 1:32:39Danny Jones?

  The occult people and the ufologists?

• 1:32:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, Dr. Stephen Skinner is a academic of occult texts. He's translated more than most people.

• 1:32:48Danny Jones?

  What's Stephen what?

• 1:32:49Speaker 01

  Stephen Skinner.

• 1:32:50Danny Jones?

  Stephen Skinner.

• 1:32:51Speaker 01

  He's very good at what he does and, um, I would like to see him talking to more ufologists, but the thing is, is that both parties would probably consider the other one to be ridiculous and have no value.

• 1:33:03Danny Jones?

  Well, Lavenda is a good crossover between the two.

• 1:33:04Speaker 01

  He is. He's an odd duck too. Um, he's got, he's got some occult stuff in his background that makes you wonder that he doesn't-

• 1:33:11Danny Jones?

  Necrogoblicon?

• 1:33:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, that he doesn't exactly advertise and that's, it's fine. But, yeah, I think that the fact that there are books out there that we could buy on Amazon right now that a couple hundred years ago would have gotten you skinned alive to possess, that alone is interesting. Why? If it's all bullshit, who cares?

• 1:33:31Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:33:32Speaker 01

  Because it's not bullshit. But it is, it is equations for summoning certain energies. Maybe there are demons or whatever, but certain energies, and these energies have real world effects. Right now, just like the energy monopoly, there's a monopoly on magic and it's only the bad guys. They're the only ones who use it. But I think magic is absolutely real. There was a guy Neville Goddard, in the 50s, there was this movement, New Thought. It's a lot of, it sounds kind of new agey, so I wasn't really into it, but I listened to some Neville Goddard lectures and it really sold me. He, he had this thing where at his lectures, he would say, "Go home tonight and when you're falling asleep," that's the other thing.

• 1:34:13Speaker 01

  People listen to TV and podcasts when they fall asleep. They don't get into their inner mind at all. It's the one quiet time of the day. And the hypnagogic state, the state between wake and sleep, they say it's one of the most powerful states the human mind can be in.

• 1:34:26Danny Jones?

  Hypnagogic state, yeah.

• 1:34:27Speaker 01

  Yeah. That's when you can manifest things and that's when you can like get the best ideas. Like that's when ideas come to people from where, where are ideas from?

• 1:34:35Danny Jones?

  That's also when people have UFO abduction experiences, right?

• 1:34:38Speaker 01

  Exactly. So it is a bizarre point in every person's life every single day. You know, you have this at least once. I wake up like three times a night, so it happens to me a couple of times. But if you engage with the hypnagogic state, Neville Goddard would say, "Tell yourself, three nights in a row, picture yourself climbing a ladder. Just picture yourself climbing a ladder. And then during the day, tell yourself, 'I will not climb a ladder.'" Because he was trying to demonstrate that the subconscious visualization is far more powerful than the conscious vocalization.

• 1:35:12Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:35:13Speaker 01

  And so, I listened to a guy saying, how he was like, "I thought this was all bullshit because why would I be on a ladder? I can easily avoid ladders for three days." Him and his buddies went to the lake, they were jumping off the dock. To get back on the dock, he found himself climbing a ladder and he was like, "Holy shit, he got me. He got me." This is just one example, that when you tell your subconscious what you want, it will bring it to you. There is a magnetism to it. I'm starting to believe this. And again, probability multiplier. If you say you want a million dollars, well, the probability might move from 0.1 to 0.2. It's a huge movement. Still not gonna happen. There's other instances where people have said, "I want a million dollars." And if you're aware enough of your

• 1:35:58Speaker 01

  day-to-day activities, you might find yourself playing GTA V and you might find yourself getting a million dollars in the game. It's up on the screen. Your subconscious doesn't know the difference. Your subconscious thinks it gave you what you asked for.

• 1:36:12Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:36:13Speaker 01

  So- We are, I think we are constantly manifesting. We talked a little bit about synchronisticism and the examples of like, why is Neo's passport expire?

• 1:36:22Danny Jones?

  Oh my god, that blew my fucking mind, dude.

• 1:36:27Speaker 01

  Right, so to me, to me, this is advanced sigil magic. So here's a weird example, the Titanic, right?

• 1:36:35Danny Jones?

  Find Neo's passport from the Matrix. It's on, it expires on 9/11. I think, is the year on there?

• 1:36:41Speaker 01

  The year's on there, the exact day. So how does that happen?

• 1:36:44Danny Jones?

  Yeah, the expiration date.

• 1:36:47Speaker 01

  The first thing is you get your mind blown by it, but then...

• 1:36:51Danny Jones?

  And this movie came out in two years before 9/11.

• 1:36:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, so your first thing is like, oh, that's mind blowing. But then, when you get over the shock of it, you have to be like, well, how does this happen? One theory is like, well, obviously someone knew it was gonna happen on 9/11 and they put it on the passport and maybe they were just signaling. When they, when you see these things in media before they happen in real life, the main theory is the karmic theory. That they have to tell us what they're doing for them to avoid the karma of it in the grand scheme of things. The elite have to tell us what they're gonna do. And we have to not stop it. I think that's bullshit because who's the decider on if we've been told enough? You know what I mean? Like, it seems pretty high stakes to deal with your eternal karma. Is that telling us?

• 1:37:37Speaker 01

  You know, people are trying to make the argument, that is telling us. Well, what if I didn't see the Matrix?

• 1:37:41Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:37:41Speaker 01

  You know, am I karmically responsible for 9/11? The karma angle, I think, makes no sense. What makes more sense to me is this is advanced magic. Gordon White, one of his big claims to fame was sigil magic. He was really good at breaking down the mechanics of why sigils work and help you manifest. And he had some good techniques for doing it. What is a sigil? It's like, you take a statement of what you want to be true. You jumble it up, you make a symbol out of it, you put it somewhere in your periphery for a little while so that your subconscious gets the message and then you get rid of it. So you don't want your conscious mind focused on it. I kind of think that's what's going on here. If you want nine 11 to happen,

• 1:38:21Speaker 01

  you embed it in the subconscious of the mass population. That's an argument that doesn't require anything. It doesn't matter how many people see it. You know, a lot of people will see it.

• 1:38:33Danny Jones?

  Yeah, but how many people's, I mean, how long was out on the screen and fucking the matrix? Probably like a split second. And how many people noticed the expiration date?

• 1:38:40Speaker 01

  If you look at, if you look at marketing, uh, supplemental marketing, it only takes one frame. That's how you get to the subconscious mind. So here's a good example. One of the, one of the synchronistic examples that is most mind blowing is the Titanic. So Morgan Robertson in 1898 wrote a novella called Futility or Wreck of the Titan. That's 14 years before the Titanic sank.

• 1:39:02Danny Jones?

  Pretty crazy.

• 1:39:02Speaker 01

  Yes. Both ships were deemed unsinkable. Both were 800 feet long. Both used three triple plaid screw propellers. Both had the legal minimum of lifeboats. In the book is 20, in real life it's 24. Both crashed in mid-April into an iceberg.

• 1:39:19Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:39:19Speaker 01

  So this is a book written 14 years before the event.

• 1:39:22Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:23Speaker 01

  If you want this to happen, you get a, uh, this guy, I believe was a Navy guy too. So you get a connected person to write the book, put it out there. And then you have the plan too, but for the plan to work, it's almost like gravity. Like there's a gravity to the narrative. The narrative's been seeded in the book. Couple thousand people read the book. You put the pieces in motion and they, the gravity takes it to the story that was written.

• 1:39:52Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:53Speaker 01

  That's how I look at it.

• 1:39:54Danny Jones?

  Have you heard of Eric Wargo? He has the time loops theory? This is all connects to that. He thinks that these are time loops. He thinks that like people, you can do precognition. People can have precognitive dreams or whatever. And he thinks that like,

• 1:40:08Danny Jones?

  I don't know exactly how to explain it.

• 1:40:10Speaker 01

  It's a tough one. I was gonna, I was gonna let him try to do it because I knew it was very tough.

• 1:40:14Danny Jones?

  But basically, it's like, it's, it's looping time, right? So it's like the past predicting the future and the other way around, right? It's like the future already happened and it's echoing through time.

• 1:40:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:28Danny Jones?

  That's a very bad way of explaining it, but basically, essentially, what, what was happening is, people are having these, these dreams, right? About things that are happening in real life later.

• 1:40:41Danny Jones?

  And they can't figure out how to explain it. It even happened to him. But it's like, so there was a couple of people who couldn't figure out what was happening. And what they started doing was recording every single dream they had immediately after it happened.

• 1:40:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:51Danny Jones?

  And after they woke up. So they had a recording and a date of when that dream happened. And they would be able to, to map that or match that with things that happened in real life. And it was real. It was happening.

• 1:41:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, precognitive dreams.

• 1:41:03Danny Jones?

  Before nine 11, there was like a bunch of people that had dreams about that happening.

• 1:41:08Speaker 01

  Yeah. And there, there's a lot of apocalyptic dreams that don't necessarily turn into apocalypses, but it is a phenomenon that is real, just like remote viewing. But, so to finish this Titanic example and stick the landing as to why I think, what these situations are, these predictive programming examples, is they're seeding things in fiction so that when they are ready for the operation to go, it goes off along these lines. Cause the gravity has been drawn to the, the narrative. Is this making sense to you? You're looking like it's not.

• 1:41:42Danny Jones?

  It is, it is.

• 1:41:43Speaker 01

  So here's the thing. Couple of years ago, we had the Ocean Gate submarine.

• 1:41:47Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 1:41:48Speaker 01

  That was going down to check out the Titanic wreckage and it imploded and the people died, right?

• 1:41:54Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 1:41:54Speaker 01

  Do you remember what that was called?

• 1:41:56Danny Jones?

  What was it called?

• 1:41:57Speaker 01

  The Titan. The Titan is the initial name of the Titanic in the book. So my mind says, there's a narrative embedded in the subconscious of reality that the Titan goes down in this location. Initially, it was the boat. Sure, they made it as close to the book as they could. But the script is still running in the timeless subconscious reality.

• 1:42:24Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:24Speaker 01

  So when the Titan goes down, reality says, oh, that's supposed to crash. That's supposed to go down. And so it does. And what's it called? Ocean Gate? What's the term used for all scandals is gate?

• 1:42:36Danny Jones?

  Did they name, they named the submarine Titan because it was going to exploit the Titanic? Right?

• 1:42:40Speaker 01

  I don't know why they named it, but to reality, it doesn't matter why it was named.

• 1:42:44Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:42:44Speaker 01

  The reality says, oh, this is what's supposed to happen because it's been seeded in the subconscious and the greater subconscious. And so it does happen.

• 1:42:51Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:42:52Speaker 01

  My thing is that we all have this ability. We have this ability to seed our own stories in our own subconscious if we work on it like a muscle. But we don't even believe it to be possible. They've engineered it out of us. As Dean Raden said, they killed off a lot of people who had the innate ability. They monopolized spirituality. They've dominated all of our time with economic concerns and real world material concerns. We don't ever go to the inner world. The inner world's where the power is. The inner world is where you can manifest things that you want. And people can mock it and say it's dumb all day. I don't give a fuck. I'm 40 years old. I believe it to be true. I'm doing it and I'm going to continue to do it for the next 40 years and I'm going to die.

• 1:43:32Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:33Speaker 01

  If I'm lucky to get to 80. So I guess I'm past like convincing people. I mean, it's my job, you know? It's our job to present, to help researchers and knowledgeable people present controversial counter takes, right? And I like doing that. But in just everyday waking life, I don't care if my friends. Think the moon landing was real. I just don't care anymore. I don't care if they think nine eleven was just as they told it was on the news. It's like if we laugh and we have fun and we have shared history. A lot of my good friendships are based on drug history and I'm done with drugs in my life. So I'm not going to get new friends that are this tight, you know. So gotta let that

• 1:44:13Speaker 01

  stuff go. The problem is covid made conspiracy scary to other people like and and we all had kids at the same time too. So here I am. Covid is a big psyop and they're like all traumatized by it. We have kids. I'm not vaccinating my kids. It's another reason I had to leave California. You cannot really cannot put kids in school without vaccinations. You cannot. Very, very hard to do. I even had a pediatrician who was

• 1:44:41Danny Jones?

  I thought it was bad here.

• 1:44:42Speaker 01

  She it's it's great here. It's it's terrible there. I had a pediatrician who was basically willing to lie. She kind of said how she had lied before and

• 1:44:53Danny Jones?

  In California?

• 1:44:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Obviously, I'm not gonna put her throw into the bus, but she had she had gone to Sacramento many times in campaign and been like, this is dangerous. Stop making kids do this. But at her job, she was a pediatrician. You realize, as you know, with kids, you realize that if you don't vaccinate your kids, pediatricians don't do anything. They measure the kid's head and they measure how long they are and they get the weight and they give you the percent and they say out the door. But why should they do anything if your kid is healthy?

• 1:45:22Danny Jones?

  And then they think and they give you percentiles. And if your kid is not in the right percentile, they farm you out to a bunch of other people because you think, oh, my God, I have a problem. My kid's not normal.

• 1:45:31Speaker 01

  Yep, exactly. There's all these mechanisms where you get into the secondary system.

• 1:45:35Danny Jones?

  Fucking industry. It's a machine.

• 1:45:37Speaker 01

  And if you don't give

• 1:45:38Danny Jones?

  It's a meat grinder.

• 1:45:39Speaker 01

  Yes. And if you don't give your kids 60 shots, there's nothing for a pediatrician to do. My kids don't go to a pediatrician. There's no reason to go. They, they've both only been sick a handful of times. And if you go to the naturopaths and they say, what is a fever? A fever is your body's response to trying to burn off the toxin that's in your body. So you let a fever run. If you give pills to, to suppress a fever, the toxins stay in the body and you're sick more often. Your body has to go through a detox phase every three months instead of every 12 months.

• 1:46:12Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:46:12Speaker 01

  I've tried this and it's, it's worked. It's scary to do when you're, when it's two in the morning and your two-year-old has 103 fever and you don't have anyone to call.

• 1:46:23Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:23Speaker 01

  And no one in your family believes you. It's scary.

• 1:46:27Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:27Speaker 01

  Luckily, me and my wife are on the same page. We let these things run their course. Our kids are the healthiest kids I know.

• 1:46:33Danny Jones?

  By the way, Greg is a doctor, if anyone was.

• 1:46:35Speaker 01

  I am.

• 1:46:35Danny Jones?

  So he is, he is sanctioned to give, uh, legal medical advice.

• 1:46:39Speaker 01

  It's true. It's true.

• 1:46:42Danny Jones?

  That's funny, man.

• 1:46:43Speaker 01

  It, it's just.

• 1:46:44Danny Jones?

  No, it's true. Yeah. I completely agree with you, man. The, the whole, the whole thing is, is a, it's a, it's a crazy fucking scam.

• 1:46:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:46:51Danny Jones?

  You know, all the way down to hospitals too, you know, like hospitals, every time somebody gets into a hospital, it ends up just being a long cascading effect of more and more. It's just the problems snowball when you start to get your foot in the door, in the front door of this fucking crazy meat grinder industry of medicine.

• 1:47:10Speaker 01

  They don't give you any quality food. You're in an EMF soup. You don't get to see sunlight.

• 1:47:17Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:47:18Speaker 01

  And that's the thing is our bodies do heal themselves and our bodies will heal themselves in spite of all that. In a lot of cases, when you come out of the hospital, you say, oh, the hospital fixed him. Or his body fixed himself in spite of all the bullshit.

• 1:47:32Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:47:32Speaker 01

  Like, when we get a cut, we just leave it alone. We know our skin will heal. When you break a bone, you have it set so that it heals the right way, at the right angle, but you just let it heal. But when we get sick, we don't think our body can heal it. We need to get a pill. We need to go see an expert.

• 1:47:51Danny Jones?

  We've always been creating medicine. We've always been creating, creating remedies and using drugs since the beginning. Beginning of human history to try to deal with ailments, to try to deal with disease and to try to deal with, you know, wounds and combat wounds and anything like that. And, you know, we've been creating fucking performance enhancing drugs since like the early Roman Empire. It's a, it's a human thing, right? It's human nature to try to do this, to try to, to try to develop them in that. Just because we create new things that seem crazy, that seem too complex to be natural, that's still nature. We are nature. So any technology we create, I mean, outside, I'm not like, I'm not excusing the whole sort of like crony capitalist industry that's, that's just

• 1:48:31Danny Jones?

  put on top of us to control us and to just suck, suck us, drive all of our money. But like, you know, not, not, not, not all medicine is created equal, right?

• 1:48:41Speaker 01

  Right. And Gordon used to, that was a big gripe of his. When I would say natural, he'd be like, everything is natural. But I'm saying natural is like the green world versus like the artificial synthetic matrix world.

• 1:48:53Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:48:53Speaker 01

  And that's, people know what you mean, but there isn't really better language for it. But yeah, herbs work and nature provides medicines. But the idea that is popular today is that when I get sick, I should go get a chemically synthesized artificial chemical that was derived from oil, again, oil only oligarchy, and then that's going to fix me. Or you might take pills for a week and get better in spite of the pills you were taking.

• 1:49:22Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:49:22Speaker 01

  But your mind says, oh, thank God I had those pills. Thank God the doctor told me to take the pills and then I got better two weeks later. Or your cut heals on its own, your bone heals on its own, your symptoms go away on their, on their own. It's kind of the paradigm I operate in now. But yeah, of course, nature creates things that are, are very helpful. What's crazy is these apps where it'll tell you what a plant does. I went around my property, there's all kinds of plants that are just there that I didn't plant, but I would snap them and I'd be like, what is this for? And they all have a laundry list of positive uses.

• 1:49:55Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:49:55Speaker 01

  And it's like, yeah, I haven't chopped anything down because maybe I need the camphor plant. The camphor, camphor, camphor is good for like anti insects and shit.

• 1:50:04Danny Jones?

  Yeah. I remember when I was a kid, when I To get really summer, my mom would just slice open her aloe plants in her backyard and rub it all over my skin. I'd be fucking, I'd be healed by the next morning.

• 1:50:12Speaker 01

  Yes, yes. Nature will give you much better products, but you can't patent nature and it's, it's hard to sell nature pilled and in lotion form. I mean, obviously the hippies do it, but people just, there's some can mental conditioning that it has to come from Procter and Gamble or Pfizer. The experts, it has to come from them for it to have any, any real potency.

• 1:50:37Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm. Well, it's funny too, how the companies all try to wrap their branding in like nature and natural and like sugar free, organic.

• 1:50:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50:45Danny Jones?

  You know what I mean? Like my mother in law, she's always like buying shit junk food and bringing it to our house for the kids. And she'd be like, look, it's organic.

• 1:50:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know. I'm guilty of that myself a little bit. I, I, I like a cheese ball. I like a cheese ball. Okay. I get the organic ones because fuck it.

• 1:51:02Danny Jones?

  I like Oreos. I'm not going to buy the healthy Oreos. I'm going to buy the fucking, the natural Oreos, double stuffed with the extra colors. Okay. If I'm eating an Oreo, I'm eating an Oreo. Same thing if I'm drinking a Mountain Dew, I'm drinking a Baja Blast with my Taco Bell and it's going to be sensational.

• 1:51:17Speaker 01

  You've heard the Mountain Dew conspiracy, right?

• 1:51:18Danny Jones?

  No.

• 1:51:19Speaker 01

  I really shouldn't have brought it up because I can't articulate it very well, but there's a conspiracy that every time Mountain Dew launches a new version. It's right before a big disaster that equates directly to that branding. So Mountain Dew Live Wire. Right after was like a giant blackout. Mountain Dew Baja Blast. Right after was a huge tsunami.

• 1:51:45Danny Jones?

  Where was the tsunami? Baja California?

• 1:51:47Speaker 01

  You'd have to look, you'd have to, no, no, I don't think it's that specific. I think it might've been like the Japan one, you know?

• 1:51:52Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:51:53Speaker 01

  It's not, but you, if you look up Mountain Dew conspiracy, you'll have, you'll find people who've listed them all. And it's like five things. It might be what I'm talking about. It might've been like, maybe the CEO of Mountain Dew is an occultist and doesn't tell anybody. And when he want, and when his buddies go at the Bilderberg meetings, they say, hey, hey, we're going to do this, we're going to do this tsunami thing. We're going to do this blackout thing. It's just like. Find a branding that works.

• 1:52:18Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:52:18Speaker 01

  Sometimes it is coincidence. You can't say that there's nothing that's coincidence, but

• 1:52:23Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:52:23Speaker 01

  How many coincidences does it take for you to say, maybe magic is real and occultists run the world? And they're using the same mechanisms that are available in your own fucking head? If you had the awareness.

• 1:52:33Danny Jones?

  The flavored disaster theory populated by online creator.

• 1:52:37Speaker 01

  Code Red before nine 11 Maui Maui burst before the devastating Maui fire star spangled.

• 1:52:43Danny Jones?

  What?

• 1:52:45Speaker 01

  Prior to the Francis Scott Key Bridge collapse. Oh, that's an interesting one. I didn't know about that one.

• 1:52:49Danny Jones?

  Whoa.

• 1:52:50Speaker 01

  Pitch black. Now, what about LiveWire? That was a, that was one. I drank LiveWire for a little.

• 1:52:55Danny Jones?

  Oh my God. Have you seen the amount? What's the Monster Energy one?

• 1:53:00Speaker 01

  Just that it's 666 in Hebrew?

• 1:53:02Danny Jones?

  It's 666. That's what it is.

• 1:53:04Speaker 01

  That's another thing, dude. So what's the most popular water right now?

• 1:53:09Danny Jones?

  Liquid Death.

• 1:53:10Speaker 01

  Liquid Death. Why would you call it that? So there's.

• 1:53:14Danny Jones?

  It's edgy.

• 1:53:15Speaker 01

  Well, there's been studies that words matter, words carry energy. And so there's a big subset of the world right now going into water and gel state water and structured water and how important water is. So when you put water in aluminum can away from sunlight and you call it liquid death. And death is on the can. I do think there's an energy transfer as crazy as it sounds. And it's the worst, probably the worst water you could drink. You know, they're not a sponsor, are they?

• 1:53:46Danny Jones?

  No.

• 1:53:46Speaker 01

  Okay, good. I didn't see Liquid Death anywhere. Usually if it is, it's around. But the point is just that Monster Energy drink. So you put 666 in Hebrew, you call it Monster. The, these names do carry weight and I.

• 1:54:00Danny Jones?

  Well, Liquid Death's funny, a funny one because their whole thing is death to plastic, like stopping pollution, right? No more plastic, but their can is lined with plastic.

• 1:54:07Speaker 01

  Well, right. And when you, when you cut open the brain, so they say, when you cut open the brain of an Alzheimer's patient and an autistic kid. The commonality is they both have too much aluminum. So thi- this is another thing where my friends gave me a lot of shit because we would do these barbecues. I'm like, I'm not having aluminum. I'm not eating anything that was cooked and heated aluminum. And they think I'm fucking crazy. And then we go on the golf course and I'll have a few beers because you can't take glass on the golf course. So it's all aluminum. My mom's 85 years old, drinks Bud Light every day. So maybe I'm overthinking the aluminum thing. Or maybe it's not as, um, it's not absorbing into the liquid in like a Bud Light can. But the fact that you're gonna wrap ribs in tin foil and put it in the hot heat and then eat that.

• 1:54:51Speaker 01

  You don't think there's some leaching? I don't know, but I want to distance myself from aluminum as much as possible because of that simple fact. You know, my memory is already shot. I'm worried about Alzheimer's. I'm not, they're not getting me. I'll write it all down. Uh, I just, I do want to keep aluminum away from me because of that. And, um, you know, aluminum cans, I drink a lot out of aluminum cans because how can you not? You go to a 7-Eleven and if you want to avoid aluminum and plastic.

• 1:55:21Danny Jones?

  It's impossible.

• 1:55:21Speaker 01

  Wait, styrofoam? Like it's all, it's a sick system. You gotta start getting stuff outside of it. And, and, and it just makes a dent, you know, like a lot of people will criticize me and say, oh, so you're gonna eat everything off the land? No, I'm not. No, I'm not. But it's instead of a multivitamin, instead of a multivitamin, my kids eat mulberries off the tree. And it has a similar effect. It's just like, it's, it's, it's countering all the damage we do just living in the world. You know, I got one foot in the real world and one foot in the crazy world. I'm too normal for the weirdos and I'm too. Or yeah, I'm too, I'm too weird for the normies and I'm too.

• 1:55:59Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:59Speaker 01

  You get it.

• 1:56:00Danny Jones?

  Rogan was talking about this the other day on one of his podcasts. I forget who the guest was, but it was like one of his ones from the last week. And he was saying that like, you know, the same thing that you're saying right now, like with all the pollution and all the microplastics and all that stuff, getting less sunlight. Doing more, less, less labor intensive work, um, being tapped into screens 24/7. This is like the natural evolution of human beings. And this is the way it's going, especially with AI and all that stuff. So like, his thing was like, just, you know, he's like, I'm just gonna lean into it. I think we, we, we, there's no point in fighting it, right? There's no, it's futile to try to fight it because it's too, it's too powerful. It's the way we're going and it's the way we were meant to evolve.

• 1:56:43Danny Jones?

  And he thinks that that's why we're gonna end up being the whole gray, the gray alien, the spindly little gray alien with the big eyes and the big head and no muscle tone and no sexual organs because the microplastics are eventually gonna shrink our taint so much and we're not gonna have any balls or dick and no sexual reproduction of organs. We're gonna use CRISPR and things like this to basically create designer babies.

• 1:57:03Speaker 01

  Right, sounds fun. I can't wait. That's why I'm like, you're not, you're right. This guy's right. You're not going to stop it from happening, but your level of participation is where you have the power.

• 1:57:14Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:57:14Speaker 01

  And so, yeah, I still use AI searches to find things. But I kinda, I've divested to the level in which I can. One last aspect of abundance versus scarcity. It's kind of commonplace, but people talk about planned obsolescence, right? That a lot of our stuff is built to break down. The smartphone definitely could have had a removable battery, but they built it in because they want you to have to buy the new smartphone every time. Printers used to have chips in them that would say, after so many prints, just stop working. Like, planned obsolescence is built into everything, but I interviewed this woman, Kasina Dana Ritzer, a long time ago, and she wrote, or well, she produced a documentary called The Lightbulb Conspiracy.

• 1:57:57Speaker 01

  And it was basically all about planned obsolescence. And again, it just, it just extracts your wealth, extracts your energy. And what's crazy is, so, the reason it's called The Lightbulb Conspiracy is the film focuses on the phobius, the phobious cartel. The first documented corporate conspiracy to artificially degrade a consumer product. In the early 1920s, standard incandescent light bulbs comfortably lasted 2,500 hours. In December 1924, major global lightbulb manufacturers, including Philips and General Electric, met secretly in Geneva. To form the phobious cartel, they agreed to strictly limit the maximum lifespan of all

• 1:58:38Speaker 01

  light bulbs to 1,000 hours. The cartel engineered filaments to break faster. They set up rigorous testing labs and issued heavy financial fines to any member company whose light bulbs lasted longer than 1,000 hours. Now, where it's crazy, there is a fire station in Livermore, California, that has a light bulb. They call it the Centennial Light. It's been burning since 1901. It's still going. It's one of the old light bulbs. It's one that didn't get destroyed and didn't break. So you can go to this firehouse and the whole little community, it's a big old party every year when it turns another year older. This is one stupid example of light bulbs. How many

• 1:59:23Speaker 01

  things in our lives has the same thinking deteriorated products? There you go.

• 1:59:30Danny Jones?

  This is it.

• 1:59:32Speaker 01

  Mysterious light bulb. So mysterious.

• 1:59:34Danny Jones?

  110 years old.

• 1:59:36Speaker 01

  It's so fucking mysterious, yet they won't get it down and see why it lasts and then duplicate it because that's not the name of this game. That's what pisses me off is like you got the energy people all getting whacked for having abundance. You got us taken away from nature. You got the soil depleted. You can't even get a goddamn light bulb that works the way light bulbs should work.

• 1:59:58Danny Jones?

  Dude, do you know about how Obama banned incandescent light bulbs when he was in office?

• 2:00:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:00:03Danny Jones?

  Now and pushed it all to LEDs, which are what so incandescent are full spectrum light.

• 2:00:07Speaker 01

  Yep. And the flicker rate of LEDs.

• 2:00:09Danny Jones?

  Yeah, so now he made it mandatory that all new light bulbs had to be LED, which is a main. If you look at it, if you look at the the light spectrum on them, it's like majority blue light, which is the same thing you get from your phone.

• 2:00:23Speaker 01

  So this is me. This is where I go with like, we're not going to fight the elite, but a lot of these games they played on us are old. Like, do you think it's illegal to start a light bulb company where the light bulbs do last 2,500 hours? I don't think it would be today, but it's the perception management that they've done. We don't believe it to be possible. It is possible. We just looked at it. If you don't like your job.

• 2:00:46Danny Jones?

  How do you make money? You can't make money if your light bulb lasts forever.

• 2:00:49Speaker 01

  Today you can, because I think everybody would just be like the infinity bulb. And you just buy one and then then close up shop. Who gives a fuck? You made your million. You know, it what what it doesn't work for is companies that need 10% growth every year forever.

• 2:01:02Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 2:01:02Speaker 01

  That's what it doesn't work for.

• 2:01:03Danny Jones?

  Answer to a board of directors.

• 2:01:04Speaker 01

  It would work for us if we if we studied that technology, put a little money into it, marketed it, and started our own light bulb company. I bet we'd make a million bucks and people would have better light bulbs. These opportunities are everywhere. So Catherine Austin Fitz, why I did want to talk to her is like, you know, it's not all about just the farmer's market, Catherine. You know, it's about stuff like this. It's about free energy.

• 2:01:29Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:01:29Speaker 01

  A lot of it would get you killed. The energy stuff would get you killed. Fucking with oil probably get you killed.

• 2:01:34Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:01:34Speaker 01

  Light bulbs we can make. We could start a nursery, all these things, make biochar. There's a lot of opportunity in fixing the sick system on the periphery, where anyone who's listening right now who hates their job, I'm I'm trying to throw out ideas where you can actually reorient yourself. Is it gonna be kind of grueling work to burn biochar and make that? Sure, but you get to decide when you get up. You get to keep all that money. You get to decide how much you sell and this and that. Like, there's a lot more autonomy in it.

• 2:02:05Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:02:05Speaker 01

  No job's gonna pay you what you could make on your own, and nature is right there, ready to help you with abundance, but you just gotta align with it.

• 2:02:14Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm. Yeah, and they it seems to they there seems to be just like shadowy powers that want to get rid of all this stuff at a at a consumer level, right? I mean, it even goes back to like, have you have you looked into these missing scientists?

• 2:02:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:02:31Danny Jones?

  All these scientists that have gone missing?

• 2:02:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:02:34Danny Jones?

  I know it happened once before in like the 80s or something like that, where there's a group of scientists working on some some stuff where they all like got killed, like gruesome accidents.

• 2:02:41Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 2:02:42Danny Jones?

  But like, you know, it it makes you wonder like, what the fuck did these people know? And what kind of was it something to do with energy? Was it something to do with something like this? Or was it all, I mean, you know, is it just the the mainstream theory that it was like, you know, spooky flying saucers that they knew about, you know? I don't know, but it seems like it seems like it. I don't know what it is, but it's very strange and it doesn't seem like a coincidence that all these people went missing, you know, right when Trump, you know, released these, or announced that he was gonna release all these crazy UFO files.

• 2:03:12Speaker 01

  Exactly. Um, one of them, sorry to interrupt you, but Chris Knowles, who runs a secret sun blog, he's so good, but he has laid out this case that every president, as soon as they'd mention aliens or talk about disclosure, they suffer a terrible PR nightmare or an assassination attempt. Carter, Ford, Reagan, uh, they, it all happened to them. And then, and then Trump, he said he was gonna release the files and then they had the press dinner and they stopped the kid who was like a NASA contractor, that, or that guy, Cole Allen, that whole thing. That could have been a warning shot, or it could have been all theater. But I do like the premise that a lot of presidents have faced trouble when they bring it up because it's like, you do not go there. And the reason why, I think, is not aliens, it's

• 2:03:57Speaker 01

  energy. So I like the theory that those people who went missing is because it's doing a brain drain where they're actually trying to work on the technology to actually bring it out. Why would they bring it out now? And I just talked about all these people dead? There's no markets left. AI is a giant bubble. There's nowhere to make money anymore. So I, I like the premise that disclosure is coming because they're going to say, oh, these aliens did give us this technology. We didn't know how it worked. We spent the last hundred years trying to reverse engineer it and now it's ready. And now we're gonna open up new markets with this technology.

• 2:04:29Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:30Speaker 01

  Because it deflects away from all these fucking murders, you know? It deflects away from the fact that you've had it the whole time. It's not, it doesn't need aliens. It's right here. People have done it, involves the ether. People have known about this. But you, you can cover it up, you can obscure it by just simply saying, oh, the aliens gave it to us. And I think they need the energy for the AI data centers. If they want the control grid, if that's the number one thing.

• 2:04:56Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:56Speaker 01

  Ubiquitous control over everyone, digital currency IDs and all that. If they want that and it requires as much energy, it's the only thing where you would run the calculus and be like, it's worth it to put it out there if it gets us this.

• 2:05:12Speaker 01

  And that's where I think will happen. You know, we'll see, we'll see, but that's where I'd put my money is that we will see the rollout of this stuff. Once people get over the rah rah alien thing, it'll be about the technology. And then it'll be about implementing it in a way that the AI data centers can run because they cannot run on the the current allowed energy infrastructure. So they have to open up other, other things to get it to, to get it to work. And that's the only reason they would do it is because they want the control grid over everything else.

• 2:05:39Danny Jones?

  Right. We were just looking at the one that was the Grok data center yesterday on the podcast.

• 2:05:44Speaker 01

  Colossus?

• 2:05:45Danny Jones?

  Colossus, that's what it was. Freaking insane. The thing's massive.

• 2:05:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:05:48Danny Jones?

  And they want to put, I know there's like proposals to get more data centers in Florida. There was one, I think that was like shut down. That was supposed to go into Orlando or something. And I also heard they were trying to put one in near Tampa or like Lakeland.

• 2:05:59Speaker 01

  I worry about that. I worry about that because they need water.

• 2:06:02Danny Jones?

  What's the, yeah, that's the issue, right?

• 2:06:03Speaker 01

  We have great water.

• 2:06:04Danny Jones?

  They need like natural water runoff or something?

• 2:06:06Speaker 01

  We have great aquifers and underwater, underwater, underground water. And so we are primed for it, but we have hurricanes and I think that they will avoid building them here because of the hurricanes. I'm hoping because I put them everywhere else.

• 2:06:20Danny Jones?

  Or when we do get hurricanes, all the power companies, they just rush to the data centers. They leave all the neighborhoods just like to waiting until they get the data centers back online.

• 2:06:28Speaker 01

  There's that theory too, that the priority will be the data centers and people will be without, which is why, you know, here's some alternatives here, get a generator now.

• 2:06:37Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:38Speaker 01

  The sun will probably still be there.

• 2:06:39Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:40Speaker 01

  It's, it will get difficult, but building a parallel economy is the best move. Getting in touch with your own inner world and, and your own ability to manifest like the whole sigil thing. I think people know that sigils are you write out a statement. First off with the sigil statement.

• 2:06:57Danny Jones?

  Like a logo, right?

• 2:06:58Speaker 01

  It can be.

• 2:06:59Danny Jones?

  You see the logo and you automatically get the feeling of what it, what it means and what it tastes like, what it.

• 2:07:03Speaker 01

  Yeah. A lot of, so the thing that starts with magic is like, people don't even know what they want. You think you do, but have you ever articulated it into an actual sentence, what you specifically want? A lot of people don't. They know they want more money. They want greater health, greater success. The universe doesn't understand that. You gotta be a little more specific. I want $7,000 by next Thursday.

• 2:07:26Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:07:26Speaker 01

  You know, stuff like that. So, the thing Gordon White was so great about, and anyone who's interested in magic should go to Rune Soup before it maybe gets taken down since he's dead now, but with the Sigil Magic thing, what he added to it is

• 2:07:39Danny Jones?

  Rune Soup?

• 2:07:40Speaker 01

  Rune Soup, like, uh, you know, Rune Magic, and then obviously like Talk Soup. He was playing on, uh, two things there. But, he, his biggest contribution was probably Sigil Magic, and he would say he had this, this sh- sh- sh- sh- like, fish, fish go in schools, they call it like a sh-ole, like a group.

• 2:07:59Danny Jones?

  A school.

• 2:07:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, a school. He said sh-ole for some reason, and also the robo-fish. So, his principle was so robo-fish because, and he was always great with like making things fun and using real analogies, but they discovered in the lab that if you make a robotic fish, other fish will follow it because it acts with confidence. And they're like, oh shit, he knows what's going on, I guess I'll follow him. And the robo-fish will lead a school of fish, and this, this is just a phenomenon that happens.

• 2:08:25Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:26Speaker 01

  So, he applied this to Sigil Magic, and he said, "If you wanna manifest your goals, you have to lead, you have to lead your subconscious to get the wheel turning, because we don't spend any time doing it. So, make a group of sigils, launch them all at one time, psychically launch them, you know, like concentrate on them at the right time, but launch them at the, at the same time in a group, not an individual, and create some that you know will manifest. I will have coffee tomorrow morning. I will drive to Publix tomorrow and buy potatoes and tomatoes." Make a sigil for those things. Add a sigil that says

• 2:09:04Danny Jones?

  What do you mean make a sigil for them?

• 2:09:06Speaker 01

  Write out the sentence.

• 2:09:07Danny Jones?

  So, writing it is creating a sigil for it?

• 2:09:09Speaker 01

  No, you write out the sentence, you cross out the duplicate letters, and you cross out the vowels, and you take the leftover letters, and you create it into an artistic symbol. This is all just to get past the conscious mind. That's why it works. It's like you're just trying to program your subconscious and get past language and get past

• 2:09:25Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:09:26Speaker 01

  this stuff, just to the idea, the core idea.

• 2:09:28Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:09:28Speaker 01

  And then, if you, if you help your subconscious along, you're gaming it by, by seeding some that will happen. So, you say, you add the ones that will happen. "I will watch The Matrix tomorrow," and then make sure you do it.

• 2:09:41Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:09:41Speaker 01

  And then, add in one that says, "I will find the love of my life before the year's end." And you will. Uh, theory is that you will. Or I want my dream job. See, even dream job isn't specific enough. I want to create a million dollar biochar business within the next three years.

• 2:10:01Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:10:02Speaker 01

  And I'll eat raisin bran.

• 2:10:03Danny Jones?

  What is magic, though? So like, is that some sort of like an unexplainable phenomena, like psychic phenomena happening in the ether? Or is that you just sort of cementing an idea in your subconscious mind that biologically is gonna bubble up later?

• 2:10:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think that there's a gravity. Terrence McKenna said, "The universe runs on narrative." So I always found that really bizarre. But with this stuff, it kind of makes sense, because like, the example of the Titanic. You write the book, you write the story, and then the universe has a gravity that if pieces look like they're moving that way, it finishes the story for you. And this is like, programming your subconscious in a similar way. Give it a story. We wake up every day, we go to work, we come home, we entertain ourselves until the next day. We don't think about the future, we don't think about much. Take control of your own fucking life, people listening, and start determining what you specifically want, and then gamify your life, and put it out there in your subconscious.

• 2:11:01Danny Jones?

  It is very weird. It's so weird how it happens, man. I mean, I was just the other day, looking at photos I took of like, I used to listen to a lot of Tony Robbins when I was a kid, like, when I was young. It is very, it's all very similar. NLP stuff that you guys were talking about at dinner, because I, you said, we're talking about Bandler, and I was like, I've heard that name in a Tony Robbins book, when I was like, 15, listening to it, vacuuming my apartment. And I would like, make, I would write down, because he would say, write down exactly where you want to be, what you want your day to be like, like, what is your ideal, this is what he said in one of his books, which, take it or leave it, whatever, whatever your opinion is on Tony Robbins. Like, write out what your ideal day would be like, from the time you wake up, to the time you go to bed, everything you're gonna do. And I would do that. And I was like, looking back, because I would

• 2:11:46Danny Jones?

  take photos of these notes I would take, and I'd be like, dude, this is my exact day now. This is crazy. I never even thought about it, though. Like, you never think about the steps it takes. As long as you like, I just, all I did was write it down a couple times, maybe I look back at it, you know, every couple of years. And it comes true.

• 2:12:04Speaker 01

  The shared dream we call reality will move you towards it once you say what you want. Neville Goddard would say your subconscious is like your parents, like your cosmic parents, that it's there, you just gotta ask it for help. And then it'll shepherd you towards what you asked for. The next step is to get deeper into astrology, which is real. And I know, it's crazy, but you take the astrological roadmap, get yourself a good reading from someone who knows their shit.

• 2:12:32Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:12:33Speaker 01

  And then you get the roadmap and then you structure your sigils, because again, it's a probability enhancer. So look at the stars, look at your chart, look where your greatest probability opportunities are, maybe 2027 in March, there's a good alignment for you. Make sigils that say, I'll get my X, Y, or Z goal, and this is the date. Because the star, I do believe astrology is real, it's fucking crazy. So when I had my astrology, my birth chart read.

• 2:13:01Danny Jones?

  Was there a moment for you where it was like, you thought it was bullshit? And then you're like, oh my god.

• 2:13:06Speaker 01

  Oh yeah. Austin Kopic is one of the best out there. Him and Gordon used to do a lot of shows. I became, I became too hot to do shows with, I guess, because of the conspiracy association. He wanted to keep it clean. Astrologers doesn't want to get in bed with a conspiracy guy. You know, I think my shit is more real.

• 2:13:24Danny Jones?

  That's so goofy.

• 2:13:25Speaker 01

  I know, but whatever. I love Austin, sorry to put him on blast, but when he did my birth chart, so there's this particular house that is for your career. There's a house for every aspect of life, love, family, career, this and that, inter projection, outer world.

• 2:13:40Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:13:41Speaker 01

  In my house for career, I have a conjunction of Mercury and Jupiter. Mercury is communication and technology, Jupiter is like bigness, right? My job, my career, when my life finally started to work, is when I talked to people one-on-one and projected them out through technology on the internet to 100,000 people.

• 2:14:04Speaker 01

  That is my birth chart. That's what it says I would do. If I wanted to find success, I would do it. Now, I could have had no balls and been a giant pussy and stayed at a retail manager, and I never lived my story. But instead, I happened to take the shot because the inner pull told me like, if you want to be happy, you gotta go do something else. And what came to me happens to be reflected exactly in my fucking birth chart. It's interesting.

• 2:14:30Danny Jones?

  That is interesting.

• 2:14:31Speaker 01

  And then you take the astrological configurations of the year ahead, and they'll all have a relationship to where the stars were in your birth chart. And so it tells you a story of the rest of the years in which you're alive. It is crazy, but I would, and I would tell everyone to look at it, engage with it. It's fun. How much time are you wasting? You know, we waste, people like, why would you waste your time with astrology? It's like, let me look at your fucking life, and I'll find some stupid areas where you're wasting time.

• 2:15:03Danny Jones?

  Again, I just wonder how much of this stuff is this the power of belief inside the human psyche and the human mind? You know, when you believe something enough, it can, it can ultimately manifest, whether that be astrology, whether it be a fucking DMT trip, telling you that you're an alien from another planet, you know, that's populating the earth, or whether you believe that, you know, any religion is true, or whatever, like that can somehow manifest in your life, make your life better. And, you know, I wonder how much of that stuff, you know, is actually going on versus, I don't, I don't think it matters at all. Well, I think, I think, I don't think that what, if you believe that, like the materialist biological view of it, or whether you believe it's fucking astrology,

• 2:15:46Danny Jones?

  I think it has the same effect either way. I mean, it's just curious. I think about that sometimes.

• 2:15:50Speaker 01

  I think about it too. It's an age old question. People have always wondered if it's, is it me doing it, or is there some real magic here?

• 2:15:57Danny Jones?

  But it's like the consciousness question, right? Like, everyone wants to know, what is conscious? It's like, it's the same thing as the UFO question. What are aliens? Are we alone in the universe? Is there a God? Who built the pyramids? What is consciousness? I don't think, I don't think.

• 2:16:12Danny Jones?

  We are supposed to find out the answers to that stuff.

• 2:16:15Speaker 01

  That's kind of true. I think my life is more fun with astrology being real. And I'm also skeptical. I come in with a skeptical but open minded approach. And I just see example after example after example where it does work. And eventually I said, you know what? I am going to get my kids' birth charts done by someone professional. So I can see where their challenges are going to be. And then I'm going to try to shepherd my parenting towards their personality traits and where they're going to have difficulties in their lives. And I'm going to try to massage that for them because that's the role of a parent. I'm not trying to make many me's. I'm trying to look at them and the configurations they came under and amplify it. Another thing Gordon White told me is that a lot of times the royal family, they don't let you know when their offspring are born.

• 2:17:01Speaker 01

  They go into the hospital, they're in there for a week and they come out with a baby. That's because astrology is real. And if people know your birth chart, they can do magic and affect your life.

• 2:17:11Danny Jones?

  What?

• 2:17:12Speaker 01

  They can, they can find your vulnerabilities and which energies work with you and which ones don't. So don't let anybody know your actual data for your birth chart because the elite don't. And that's because they know that other people who are in the know can use it against them.

• 2:17:28Danny Jones?

  Everybody's birthdays online. It's like the number one thing you can find out about.

• 2:17:32Speaker 01

  Do you believe everything you read online?

• 2:17:34Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Aren't you, aren't you supposed to?

• 2:17:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm just saying, yeah, go ahead.

• 2:17:38Danny Jones?

  It's all true, right?

• 2:17:38Speaker 01

  Go ahead and the queen might have a birthday, but I don't know if you'll find a birth time. And then I don't know if it's authentic either because you need a location, date and time. Those are the components of a birth chart. If you don't have all three, the slot machine doesn't hit a jackpot.

• 2:17:53Danny Jones?

  Whoa, have you heard the story about Nancy Reagan's astrologists?

• 2:17:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:17:57Danny Jones?

  Who taught her about the war and told her to do the war on drugs?

• 2:18:00Speaker 01

  Yes, I also heard that in World War II Hitler had an astrologer that he would use to decide when to do a campaign and then.

• 2:18:09Speaker 01

  The allied forces got wind of this and they thought it was just superstition.

• 2:18:14Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:18:14Speaker 01

  But they could also use that to, they don't have to believe it. They're like, oh, what would Hitler say about the right configuration? Oh, it's in February. Oh, he'll probably invade France in February. Let's get ready for that. So, you know, there are games within games and ways that things can be used, but we're in a world where no one thinks this shit is real at all. It's not just about your sign. That's another thing where they degrade the art form down to, oh, it's your sign.

• 2:18:41Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:18:42Speaker 01

  It's like, no, it's way deeper than the actual sign. And everyone should get it done. Spend a hundred bucks with a talented astrologer. It's fun and then it'll probably blow your mind.

• 2:18:52Danny Jones?

  You got any recommendations for astrologers?

• 2:18:55Speaker 01

  Well, Austin Kopic is good, but also this guy, Dan Waits. He runs World Astrology Report. He's very good.

• 2:19:05Danny Jones?

  So this guy was Hitler's astrologer? Carl Ernst Kraft died in 1945. Swiss astrologer and mathematician who briefly became a prominent occult advisor in Nazi Germany. He's best known for his precognitive warning of the 1939 Munich Beer Hall assassination attempt on Adolf Hitler, a feat that temporarily won him the favor of the Third Reich's propaganda. He predicted that?

• 2:19:31Speaker 01

  Apparently. It's all in the stars. So another one, I can't even really pronounce her name, but Petra.

• 2:19:37Danny Jones?

  Oh, Rudolph Hess. I know Rudolph Hess. George Johnny taught me about that guy.

• 2:19:41Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah. Hess is a wild man.

• 2:19:43Danny Jones?

  What was his story again?

• 2:19:44Speaker 01

  Well, Joseph Farrell wrote Hess and the Penguins. And it was about the Nazi base in Antarctica and they were doing studies on, can people sustain themselves on penguin meat? Because they were going to be delivering down there. So Petra, Petra Taurchart, I would say it's P A E T R A. That's her first name. T A U C H E R T. Hit rewind a few times to get it. Uh, she's really good. She's the one who most recently did it and she's who I'm probably gonna hire to do the birth charts for my kids. But Austin Copic's good. Dan Waits runs World Astrology Report on YouTube. He's doing really well. He does like world astrology. So he looks

• 2:20:24Speaker 01

  at the conditions of the cosmos in general and then predicts like, oh, the strata hormose crisis, like that's reflected in the stars.

• 2:20:32Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:20:33Speaker 01

  It's like a lot of stuff like that.

• 2:20:34Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:20:35Speaker 01

  The data center crisis. So here's another weird thing. So we are the grand conjunction, which is like Saturn, I believe it's Saturn, Jupiter and Neptune.

• 2:20:43Danny Jones?

  Uh huh.

• 2:20:44Speaker 01

  This is not exactly my wheelhouse, but it moved from, it's in the same sign or it's in similar elemental signs for 200 years and it was in earth signs for 200 years and then it moved to an air sign in 2020. All, which is, so Saturn is power and Jupiter is like big power. So by the logic of astrology, in 2020, methods of control should have moved from earth after 200 years to air. What would be air control? Drones, surveillance, COVID? COVID was airborne, wearing masks, saying I can't breathe, chants like that, kneeling

• 2:21:27Speaker 01

  on the neck. All major cultural events are air-based now. Surveillance and digital stuff, that's all air because it's like not physical. But the last 200 years was earth-based. So it's earth-based control. It's like physical concentration camps, bringing troops in, you know, domination through

• 2:21:48Danny Jones?

  Force, right?

• 2:21:48Speaker 01

  Force through aggressive earth-based symbolism. So you can say, oh, that's a coincidence or oh, that's bullshit. That's fine.

• 2:21:56Danny Jones?

  What comes after the air?

• 2:21:58Speaker 01

  Well, 200 years later, I haven't paid much attention because I don't care that much, but there's something. Uh, you could probably look it up. But for the next 200 years, the story will be air-based control. And it's just written right there. It's so easy to, to equate. It requires a bit of a lang-, it's like a language. You have to understand the language of symbolism. But if you understand the language of symbolism, and you know that we're transitioning into an air energy, with specifically Saturn, specifically, control will be air-based, is basically the way to say it. And then you look at the world and look at things that are cultural events that involve control or stressing people out.

• 2:22:41Speaker 01

  Like, I think you can fold in, you know, the "I can't breathe" guy who got choked out by the cop.

• 2:22:46Danny Jones?

  George Floyd.

• 2:22:47Speaker 01

  Well, he got the knee on the neck. He didn't say "I can't breathe." I think that's Eric Garner.

• 2:22:50Speaker 04

  No, that was George Floyd.

• 2:22:51Danny Jones?

  No, that was those. That was those.

• 2:22:53Speaker 01

  If you look up "I can't breathe", I don't believe that George Floyd is the one who said that.

• 2:22:58Danny Jones?

  Oh, I thought it was George Floyd.

• 2:22:59Speaker 01

  No, Derek Chauvin kneeled on his neck for nine minutes or something. But I think it was a different guy, and I think his name was Eric Garner, who, who said "I can't breathe, I can't breathe." And then he was killed.

• 2:23:10Danny Jones?

  I thought Eric Garner was the dude who got shot a bunch of times.

• 2:23:12Speaker 01

  There's so many of these things.

• 2:23:13Danny Jones?

  There's so many.

• 2:23:13Speaker 01

  But "I can't breathe", oh, it was also the last plea of Eric Garner. Okay, so it's both. It's both. But what I'm saying is, it should be both, right? It's, it's just a cultural touchstone.

• 2:23:25Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:23:25Speaker 01

  That is based on air.

• 2:23:27Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 2:23:28Speaker 01

  "I can't breathe", and then the COVID masks, and then like drones and things in the air. Like, all control is moving into technology, which is air.

• 2:23:39Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 2:23:40Speaker 01

  I just find it interesting. And this is one example. It might take 30 examples before you're a believer, but they're there. If you keep, if you keep researching it and looking into it, it's bizarre.

• 2:23:50Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:23:50Speaker 01

  And then you, and then you're like, well, why does it work? And nobody has an answer for why. Maybe it's because the planets are conscious, and that their consciousness is a giant field, and when they're closer or in different configurations, their energy affects us more. But why does it work for our individual lives? That's a little harder to work out. Maybe because life is a shared dream, and you can't find the logic to every single little thing. It's not a material reality. So bizarre things just exist.

• 2:24:21Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:24:23Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it's fucking wild.

• 2:24:24Speaker 01

  Life's more fun when you believe magic is real.

• 2:24:26Danny Jones?

  It is more fun.

• 2:24:27Speaker 01

  And a lot of people think the elite are using magic. And instead of just, I guess that's the point is like, instead of just obsessively trying to figure out what Marina Abramovic is doing. If you think the mechanisms of magic are real, then study them and how you can apply them. It doesn't have to be monopolized by the elite, just like energy and all the things we talked about.

• 2:24:50Danny Jones?

  Yeah, like that thing I sent you yesterday with Peter Thiel's little secret society he was trying to put together with a psychedelic shaman and or the psychedelic expert or whatever.

• 2:24:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:24:58Danny Jones?

  And, and all that stuff. It's like, yeah, it's like these people believe magic is real, right? But they don't want to say it out loud. They're certainly acting like that.

• 2:25:08Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 2:25:09Danny Jones?

  Even if you read the Epstein file. I talked to Dean Raden on this podcast. We did a virtual thing for Patreon and he was telling me how he talked to Epstein for 20 minutes on a Zoom call. And Epstein was asking him to explain, tell him stories about spoon bending and telekinesis and telepathic abilities for like 20 or 30 minutes on a Zoom call. It's like, why is this guy interested in this stuff? Is there anything better to do?

• 2:25:32Speaker 01

  I saw Dean Raden's name in the Epstein files and I was so sad. I interviewed Dean too, and I like his book. Magic is real is great. It's largely about prayer. It's not really about ceremonial magic. Ceremonial magic is a whole different thing. And his book is largely like, we had a monk pray over some plants and they grew better. Great. That is also real, but ceremonial magic and rituals that they do in the Masonic basement, those are a little different. Now Randall Carlson would be like, I'm a Freemason. This stuff's bullshit. There's a lot of conspiracies online about it. Great, man. You know, networking is real and organizations of, that are like hubs for networking. Bad people, psychopaths can come in and network within those organizations and you would never know.

• 2:26:17Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:26:18Speaker 01

  So to say, I would not say Freemasonry equals evil conspiracy people, but you should not say that it can't facilitate it.

• 2:26:27Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:26:27Speaker 01

  Cause it can.

• 2:26:28Danny Jones?

  And it can be hijacked.

• 2:26:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:26:29Danny Jones?

  It's like people hijack religions for any purpose they want.

• 2:26:32Speaker 01

  Yeah. I think the story is that. The authority shut down magic, so the people who knew about it and wanted to preserve the texts and want to preserve the traditions, they went dark, they went into the secret societies, they became the Knights Templar, and then, power corrupts.

• 2:26:48Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 2:26:49Speaker 01

  And then they were like, hey, you know, we should exploit this power that we have, that we've preserved.

• 2:26:53Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:26:53Speaker 01

  And then they become exploitative, and then skull and bones happens, and then all that shit.

• 2:26:58Danny Jones?

  Well, it's an interesting correlation, how when the emperor and the church, they burned down the temple to Eleusis, which was there for a thousand years before that, that's when we plummeted into the dark ages.

• 2:27:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, the Illician mysteries is a rabbit hole, for sure.

• 2:27:15Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:27:15Speaker 01

  You know, the Hermetic texts, the Corpus Hermeticum, one of the big things, so I just, it's fresh in my mind, because I just interviewed someone about this, but the Medici, Medici, Medici, the banking family, the Medici's, I think, I read it all the time, I don't say it a lot, but one of the big banking families of Venice, when the patriarch got hold of the Corpus Hermeticum, he had his translator stop what he was doing and work on that, and translate it, and of course, it's attributed to Hermes Trismegestus, which is probably just a pseudonym, but what it was, is basically three bodies of knowledge. The three bodies are astrology, alchemy, and theurgy. Theurgy is communicating with spirits.

• 2:27:58Speaker 01

  There's a segue, if you segue into any one of those three things being real, and my segue is probably partly theurgy and partly astrology, you have to assume that there's a reality and a truth to the other parts, too, because powerful people put all their resources, banking families, who could have anything they want, they wanted this, and they wanted it translated for them. That's interesting to me. I want it, too, you know, now we can translate our own shit. But Dan Waits, who's the astrologer, pointed basically that out, that this, it's just, what do we have to go on, you know, it's like, what we have to go on is, what do the elite do? The elite translate the Corpus Hermeticum.

• 2:28:41Speaker 01

  Probably not as a hobby, like, they probably think it has real value.

• 2:28:45Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:28:45Speaker 01

  And that's the thing, I have books on my shelf at home, that they would have tied my limbs to two horses and pulled me apart, for walking around with these books. Because the perception management operation is over. Everyone thinks it's bullshit.

• 2:28:59Danny Jones?

  Uh-huh.

• 2:29:00Speaker 01

  It isn't. Read some books.

• 2:29:03Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Well, also, you know, the elites and those types of folks that run the world, they also have, you know, an unlimited amount of free time and they don't have to answer to anybody. So is that something that's just natural when you, when that happens to you, where you just start to peek beyond the veil and look into like alternative theories? Because I know a lot of people that are wealthy that have no control over anything, you know, and now that they have free time and ultimate freedom, they naturally just get into weird shit.

• 2:29:34Speaker 01

  There is an argument for that.

• 2:29:36Danny Jones?

  So, you know, obviously that's not what was happening with Epstein. He was into some way darker shit with all the people that he was connected to and looking into the NSA. And, you know, even the stuff fucking Giorgio Ani talks about with him trying to create some breakaway civilization in Antarctica and like trying to, you know, trying to do gene engineering, genetic engineering on people and stealing the hair of Nordic people at their Zoro Ranch. Like, it's just insane.

• 2:29:59Speaker 01

  Ben Swan talked about cloning. I was listening to the Ben Swan interview while I was driving, so I didn't catch every moment, but I heard him say cloning and I was like, wow, I didn't expect him to go there, but.

• 2:30:10Danny Jones?

  I don't remember what he said about cloning. What did he say about that?

• 2:30:11Speaker 01

  I just heard him mention the word. I believe he was talking about Epstein, but.

• 2:30:15Danny Jones?

  Yeah, probably.

• 2:30:16Speaker 01

  It seems like cloning is easier than we think.

• 2:30:19Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:30:20Speaker 01

  That's what's crazy to me. I don't understand. So you can clone a sheep, fine, but when you clone a person and you teach that person English and you can talk to that person and they have a consciousness, like, are they the same as the other person or how similar are they? Is it just, does it not matter? Because it seems like the human body is just a vessel for consciousness, right? It's like a receiver. So maybe you can build a receiver and it still just catches a consciousness. But what if it, what if you can direct that? What if you can weaponize that? What if you can determine which consciousness is embodied within a body and cloning helps you to do that? What if?

• 2:30:55Danny Jones?

  Interesting.

• 2:30:55Speaker 01

  What if demons?

• 2:30:56Danny Jones?

  What if you can clone consciousness?

• 2:30:59Speaker 01

  Yeah. What if you can clone, what if you can make a vessel specifically for a demon that you're in contact with and then that demon manifests into our reality and looks exactly like a person? Why is there an Erica Kirk from the 1960s? That was married to the governor of Florida and looks exactly like the current Erica Kirk.

• 2:31:16Danny Jones?

  What? How do I not know about this?

• 2:31:19Speaker 01

  It's wild.

• 2:31:19Danny Jones?

  There's an Erica Kirk from the 1960s.

• 2:31:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, and both. Same name. And both of them married into the Kirk family. So both of them, their maiden names are not Kirk. We don't know, I don't know either of their maiden names, but there was a governor of Florida in the 60s, and he was elected as a bachelor, and he was something Kirk. And when he showed up at the governor's ball, he had arm candy. It was this lady. Her name is Erica. He married her. Erica Kirk. Fast forward 40 years, there's another guy named Charlie Kirk, who has an obscure background no one knows much about. He's married to a woman that seems like a sham marriage. Her background is weird as fuck. She's trafficking kids in Romania, allegedly. I don't know. These are just the rumors.

• 2:32:02Speaker 01

  And her parents are in intelligence, and her name's Erica, and she looks a lot like this other chick with the same name.

• 2:32:10Danny Jones?

  Whoa.

• 2:32:11Speaker 01

  They both seem like they're given to men.

• 2:32:15Speaker 01

  Claude Kirk, yes. So you can find pictures, that's not the best one, but you can find pictures where they look a lot more similar. I'm not necessarily saying that they're clones, but I'm just saying they have parallel lives. And that itself is interesting. Whether they were created in a lab or created through conventional means, it just seems like there's a pipeline of attractive young women.

• 2:32:38Danny Jones?

  Are there any other photos over, Steve?

• 2:32:39Speaker 01

  Definitely.

• 2:32:40Danny Jones?

  What if you scroll down?

• 2:32:45Danny Jones?

  There you go.

• 2:32:45Speaker 01

  That's a, that's a pretty good one. I see a little Erica Kirk in that face. Look at those eyes. Look at those eyes.

• 2:32:50Danny Jones?

  I think you're being generous.

• 2:32:51Speaker 04

  I found more.

• 2:32:52Speaker 01

  Oh, look at that one.

• 2:32:53Danny Jones?

  Photos.

• 2:32:54Speaker 01

  There you go. Look at that one.

• 2:32:55Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 2:32:56Speaker 01

  Oh, far right, far right. Oh, there's her with.

• 2:32:59Danny Jones?

  The one holding the baby on the very, oh yeah.

• 2:33:00Speaker 01

  Look at the one with her, the side by side.

• 2:33:02Danny Jones?

  No, yeah, the one you were on, Steve.

• 2:33:03Speaker 01

  Get the side by side.

• 2:33:04Danny Jones?

  The one you were on a minute ago. Blow that one up.

• 2:33:07Speaker 01

  Change the hairdo to a modern hairdo.

• 2:33:09Danny Jones?

  I can see it.

• 2:33:10Speaker 01

  He looks like a fat Charlie, too. I'm just kidding, but I really think.

• 2:33:14Danny Jones?

  What happened to him?

• 2:33:16Speaker 01

  I don't know, but I just know that it just seems so strange that there's a pipeline of attractive women given to men who have moderate power. Charlie, governor of Florida, it's not real power in the grand scheme of things, but what is that? You know, why does, why does Taylor Swift look just like the daughter of Anton LaVey?

• 2:33:39Danny Jones?

  That's so crazy, dude.

• 2:33:41Speaker 01

  And she's, and then like, that's where magic comes in.

• 2:33:43Danny Jones?

  Pull up Taylor Swift, Anton LaVey's daughter.

• 2:33:46Speaker 01

  Zeyna, Zeyna LaVey.

• 2:33:47Danny Jones?

  Zeyna LaVey.

• 2:33:48Speaker 01

  Z E E N A, I believe.

• 2:33:50Danny Jones?

  Dude, this is insane.

• 2:33:52Speaker 01

  Why do they look so similar?

• 2:33:54Danny Jones?

  Do you see Jack Johnson?

• 2:33:56Speaker 01

  The musician?

• 2:33:57Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 2:33:57Speaker 01

  The guy who did the Curious George theme song?

• 2:33:59Danny Jones?

  The musician, Jack Johnson, the fucking surfer magician, magician, or musician guy.

• 2:34:04Speaker 01

  Probably both. I don't know.

• 2:34:06Danny Jones?

  So, okay.

• 2:34:07Speaker 01

  I don't know this one.

• 2:34:07Danny Jones?

  Look at that, bro.

• 2:34:09Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:34:09Danny Jones?

  With the lipstick. No, they'll go to the left, the color one. Yeah, that one.

• 2:34:12Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. So it's just interesting. Why is the most successful artist of our day, a dead ringer for this other person?

• 2:34:20Danny Jones?

  Now type in Jack Johnson, Jeffrey Epstein.

• 2:34:23Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:34:24Danny Jones?

  Dude, it is even more, even more dead on than this.

• 2:34:27Speaker 01

  What about Palm Beach Pete?

• 2:34:30Danny Jones?

  That's a funny one. Yeah, he's a goofball. I don't know what the story. He said he met Epstein, too, which is very weird. Yeah, I went to one of his potties, but I wasn't friends with him. I just was at the same place as him once, and he happens to be rich with his own plane as well.

• 2:34:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, a big part of the conversation with Kurt was how so many of these people who become celebrities, they are completely mind controlled and built from the ground up. Maybe it's cloning, maybe it's ritual births. That's the thing about ritual births is, oh my God, I guess I never thought about it.

• 2:35:03Speaker 01

  Wow. So.

• 2:35:05Danny Jones?

  Click, you gotta get a better picture.

• 2:35:07Speaker 01

  How much of the public figures we see are a complete fabrication?

• 2:35:11Danny Jones?

  There's an image somewhere with a split of him and, and Jack Johnson with Epstein.

• 2:35:16Speaker 01

  Well, you could also look at the, um.

• 2:35:18Danny Jones?

  Keep scrolling, you'll find it.

• 2:35:19Speaker 01

  You've seen the one with the $20 bill, right?

• 2:35:21Danny Jones?

  No.

• 2:35:22Speaker 01

  Look at the 20. Andrew Jackson looks exactly like Epstein, too.

• 2:35:26Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 2:35:27Speaker 01

  You can find a $20 bill where they've split the face Epstein and the $20 bill and it's a dead ringer as well. And you, you look, you, you, yeah.

• 2:35:35Danny Jones?

  Look at that, bro.

• 2:35:36Speaker 01

  You stack up these examples and you start to wonder how much of our Hollywood celebrity culture is a complete fabrication?

• 2:35:45Danny Jones?

  Or just how much variation is there in the human genome? You know, there's a lot of people that just look very similar to other people.

• 2:35:51Speaker 01

  That's true, but you'll find these people on TikTok and shit where they go after example, after example, after example.

• 2:35:58Speaker 01

  It's interesting. I don't, I don't know what to conclude about it, but you'll also find that a lot of these people, their backgrounds are weird, too. It's like Erica Kirk is a great example. Her background's weird as fuck.

• 2:36:07Danny Jones?

  She's a Mossad agent, right? That's the, that's the, that's the conclusion that we've come up to, come up with.

• 2:36:12Speaker 01

  I don't know. I mean, she won a Trump pageant. And then she becomes this Romanian angel chick. And then she marries Charlie Kirk.

• 2:36:22Danny Jones?

  And they met in Israel.

• 2:36:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, they met in line for the Wailing Wall, she says.

• 2:36:26Danny Jones?

  That's crazy.

• 2:36:28Speaker 01

  And this is her saying, I'm not making, so it's like weird. It's just weird. So.

• 2:36:32Danny Jones?

  Well, the weird, the weird stuff comes out and it's weird, right? The weird stuff comes out like podcasts like yours and mine. And then a year and a half later, it comes out in the New York Times. That's the, that's the thing. That's like the perspective of conspiracy theory and the truth that Alex Jones said in six months.

• 2:36:46Speaker 01

  Yeah. And how many of these people like Britney Spears, she's completely broken?

• 2:36:51Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:36:51Speaker 01

  They, I think they put people through these rituals. A lot of them are passed around. You know, Rob Reiner recently.

• 2:37:00Speaker 01

  I think, I always forget which one's the grandfather and which one's the father. But Rob Reiner is the one who is the son of Carl Reiner, I believe. Carl Reiner was famous in Hollywood. Rob Reiner, also famous in Hollywood. His IMDb is fucking crazy. All of his movies were great in the eighties and nineties. His son just killed him and his wife. Now, the official story is the son was just disturbed and he had some chemical imbalances and he was a drug addict. Well, why was he a drug addict? What happened in his childhood where he should have had everything that drove him to be a drug addict? I believe a lot of times, people don't just become drug addicts. They're treating a trauma in their lives. And what's crazy, you can go to a roast of Carl, of Rob Reiner that happened like a

• 2:37:44Speaker 01

  year or two before he died. In that roast, truth comes out in comedy, you know? Billy Crystal and Al Franken, both get up there and they take the mic and they both tell really bizarre jokes about multi-generational incest and molestation. Why? Billy Crystal says something to the effect of, when Rob, when Carl Reiner wants to come up with, wants to feel out his ideas for a movie, he climbs into bed and massages his son and says, "How do you feel about this casting choice?" And everybody laughs. It's like, why?

• 2:38:25Speaker 01

  And then this guy's kid risks, I mean, throws his life away to slit both of his parents' throats. Something happened to that kid.

• 2:38:34Danny Jones?

  Something definitely happened.

• 2:38:35Speaker 01

  Something happened to that kid. So, and, and all Hollywood knows, and they joke about it. They laugh and joke about it. And it's a sick world. And the, it, finally, I've just divested from Hollywood and all that stuff, because a lot of times boomers, when you bring up some of this, like Carl Reiner and this Reiner family, boomers love them. And you tell them this, they're like, "No, no, no, no, no." It's like, first off, why do you have such an emotional response? You don't know these fucking people. And then, okay, what's your alternative? Just that the kid's crazy?

• 2:39:07Speaker 01

  For some reason, he was willing to throw his wife away to get revenge on his parents. Some people are just crazy, but you look at all these shooters, these mass shooters. They've got a checklist. Their backgrounds all have a checklist that are all very similar. Always, when there's a shooting, first thing I do is I try to find, first you look at the early reports. The early reports are usually, there were multiple shooters, shooting us from all different angles. And then there's a drug-addled teenager left at the scene to be the patsy. Then you look at that kid, and you look at who their parents were. Chances are, one of them's involved in military intelligence, and one of them's a psychologist. Chances are, that's what happens. Or they're in some, in like the Ivy League nexus.

• 2:39:53Speaker 01

  This is where I think they're crafting these people that become patsies. And a lot of them have backgrounds where they were very studious, like really high up, high-level thinkers. And that makes me think about something gate program adjacent.

• 2:40:07Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:40:08Speaker 01

  It's a sick world.

• 2:40:09Danny Jones?

  Have you heard of the Finders?

• 2:40:10Speaker 01

  The Finders cult. Yeah, oh, this is great. If you can actually play this clip.

• 2:40:13Danny Jones?

  Here, we need the headphones to hear it.

• 2:40:22Speaker 05

  But what I respect most about Rob is his deep, almost suspicious love for kids.

• 2:40:31Speaker 05

  He freely gives them his time, his money, whatever it takes to get them into the van. But, you know.

• 2:40:39Speaker 05

  Revenge. Do his work for kids. Rob has become a major, major wonderful political activist, which is a code name for unemployed movie director. He's now Mr. Inside Politics. You see him all over doing great things. He calls the President Bill. He calls the Vice President Al, and he calls Domino's five times a week.

• 2:41:00Speaker 01

  Pizza joke.

• 2:41:01Speaker 05

  Food is a very important thing to my friend. Whenever his wife Michelle was pregnant, which is three times, Rob would eat for two. And of all the meals he has, and it's hard to tell when one stops and the next one begins. Because the most important meal to Rob Reiner is dinner, because this man always added dinner. When North was not accepted in some circles, like the earth.

• 2:41:27Speaker 05

  Rob had a dinner when he decided in the ghost of Mississippi to make James Woods look even more like a [bleep] reptile.

• 2:41:35Speaker 01

  Reptile reference.

• 2:41:39Speaker 05

  Here's an idea.

• 2:41:42Speaker 05

  Rob had a dinner when his boxer shorts were declared federally protected wetlands.

• 2:41:50Speaker 05

  He had a bite. Yeah, a bite. But we're not here tonight to make fun of his body. No. No. But to honor his body of work because both are too big to be ignored.

• 2:42:03Speaker 05

  As some of you admire Rob, of course, he's been a great, great comic actor.

• 2:42:08Danny Jones?

  This was in 2000.

• 2:42:10Speaker 01

  You probably will, uh, since you can read it, you might see the part where it talks about his dad climbing into bed with him.

• 2:42:16Danny Jones?

  But does it tell you what timestamp that is?

• 2:42:18Speaker 01

  No. Even just the opening that you heard there.

• 2:42:21Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:42:22Speaker 01

  I kind of forgot about that.

• 2:42:23Danny Jones?

  Very weird.

• 2:42:23Speaker 01

  But that's, that's because Rob Reiner has a charity for kids. He has a charity to help children's education and it's just like, why? As I've grown up, it's way weirder to me to care about other people's kids. I'm not saying that we shouldn't care for underprivileged kids, but some celebrities, as Billy Crystal said, have a suspicious interest in other people's kids. I don't want to get too crazy here with something that is, you know, not talked about a whole lot, but Rainn Wilson, you know Dwight from The Office? You know, The Office, right?

• 2:43:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah, of course.

• 2:43:03Speaker 01

  Uh, he has a charity.

• 2:43:04Danny Jones?

  Picture, I never watched a lot of it. I'm trying to make, remember which one was Dwight?

• 2:43:07Speaker 01

  Uh, the nerd with the glasses.

• 2:43:08Danny Jones?

  Okay, got it.

• 2:43:09Speaker 01

  And, uh, great hair. Uh, he has a charity to help underprivileged female girls in Haiti specifically. I believe it's Haiti, third world somewhere. Why? Why are you concerned about that? Why not the kids in LA on Skid Row?

• 2:43:28Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 2:43:29Speaker 01

  It's just one of these things. As we learn about Erica Kirk, as we learn about international child trafficking.

• 2:43:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:43:36Speaker 01

  And where some of these hotbeds are where people aren't watching and there's a lot of kids there. Why are some celebrities?

• 2:43:44Speaker 01

  Pouring money into, see, charity and foundations, we learned with the Rockefeller Foundation and the Clinton Foundation, and the Gates Foundation, these are ways to exact power tax-free. They're not charities. They're, they're using their money for power to achieve goals in almost every case. And I think it's a template that Rockefeller started and then he rolled it out to other people like the Clintons and the Gates, Bill Gates. So, the charity is like a smaller scale version of the same thing.

• 2:44:17Danny Jones?

  Right. I know, and why does every billionaire have to have a fucking big charity and pound their chest about donating to philanthropy?

• 2:44:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, because Rockefeller learned that you get good PR from the dumb idiot people who can't see past what you're doing. See, it's a double win. You get to do what you want to do, it's a triple win. You don't have to pay taxes on that income. It's a write-off for your donations to a charity that you made, and then, and then you also get the PR. Think about how many people would stand and applaud if Bill Gates walked in the room. Like, things are so broken, dude.

• 2:44:54Danny Jones?

  It is.

• 2:44:55Speaker 01

  If you're gonna applaud Hillary, like, we talked, we were gonna talk about frazzle drip, because it came up during dinner, great dinner conversation, cutting the faces off children. But frazzle drip is obviously old news, but I think I could add an extra bit of context to it. So frazzle drip is the video that was on Anthony Weiner's laptop. The video apparently shows Hillary Clinton and Huma Abedin, Anthony Weiner's wife, cutting the face off a young girl.

• 2:45:21Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:45:22Speaker 01

  Putting the face on and saying like, "It's just flash, why do you care?"

• 2:45:24Danny Jones?

  Where did this come from? Where did this theory come from that that was the video?

• 2:45:27Speaker 01

  It came, well, it came from Anthony Weiner's laptop. Where did the idea come, how did it leak out?

• 2:45:32Danny Jones?

  We don't know for a fact that's what the video was, right?

• 2:45:34Speaker 01

  That's true. We don't know for a fact.

• 2:45:35Danny Jones?

  So, what I'm saying is, where did that report come from?

• 2:45:38Speaker 01

  Good question. It's just the lore at this point. But part of the lore is that nine cops who saw it ended up committing suicide.

• 2:45:46Danny Jones?

  Find the actual story, like, the official story of that, of the face cut video.

• 2:45:50Speaker 01

  So I interviewed Dave Cullum the other day, and he's like, "Yeah, the internet will try to dismiss those nine cops and say they're not real, but they are."

• 2:45:57Danny Jones?

  Okay, nine cops said that, that was...

• 2:45:59Speaker 01

  Well, yeah. And he says he looked it up and that they have official dates of their death, and they are real people with real names, and that story checks out to him. Well, what I think is weird, and it's a video, it's a image I sent your boy over here.

• 2:46:15Speaker 01

  Have you seen this hoodie that Jay-Z and Ellen both wear?

• 2:46:20Danny Jones?

  No.

• 2:46:20Speaker 01

  First off, isn't it strange that Jay-Z and Ellen would even wear the same clothes at all? So we have this story that, at least in one video, they cut the face off a girl and wear it.

• 2:46:33Speaker 01

  Well, this hoodie is basically that image of a bloody face, as if, if you, if you tried to draw a picture of a face, what's the terminology, the skull without a skin on it, you know, if you tried to draw that, it would look a lot like this hoodie. It's a very dark image. Why is Ellen wearing it? Why does her background look like Epstein's Island? Who knows? But her and Jay-Z both wear this hoodie, right? So this hoodie, it's also, people say that the Wilson, the Wilson volleyball in Castaway, red handprint.

• 2:47:07Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 2:47:08Speaker 01

  They say that is a subtle allusion to this thing they do where they cut the faces off kids. Now, it goes deeper because Tom Hanks is often looped into this network in these conspiracy forums and stuff. He actually got out of Dodge. He left when Pizza Gate was happening. He moved overseas.

• 2:47:26Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 2:47:27Speaker 01

  I think, and so did Ellen. I think they were a little worried that it could get serious for them, and so they left. It didn't, and it won't, but, you know, they got a little cautious. So if you can pull up the picture that I sent via Dropbox, if I did send it, it, it's a montage, and it is Jay-Z and Ellen in the same photo, wearing the hoodie of the bloody face.

• 2:47:49Danny Jones?

  Together?

• 2:47:50Speaker 01

  Together, yeah, together. And then Jay-Z went to a, yeah, so that. If you listen to what frazzle drip is supposed to be, it's basically that. Now, there's a one other image where they show, so during COVID, a lot of celebrities did FaceTimes and Zooms from their home, right? It was common. Sometimes, things got revealed in people's backgrounds that they forgot were there. I believe it's Ben Stiller, but there is another image that Ben Stiller is on his computer, zooming, and on his back wall is a framed photo that looks like that. And then Jay-Z went to a award show with a woman.

• 2:48:34Speaker 01

  In a full red thing. I think I also sent that that. Okay. So what is that?

• 2:48:40Danny Jones?

  That's Wilson.

• 2:48:40Speaker 01

  What is that dress about? I would like to know.

• 2:48:43Danny Jones?

  Is that Lady Gaga?

• 2:48:45Speaker 01

  I don't know, but I would like to know what they're trying to communicate there because it looks like they're trying to communicate that they peel the skin off human beings.

• 2:48:52Danny Jones?

  Are they trying to communicate? Is she trying to communicate something or is that bitch just trying to get more attention?

• 2:48:56Speaker 01

  This is always going to be a question, but when you look at these photos all together, is that Ben?

• 2:49:03Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah. Look at Ben Stiller's picture. That's the same thing as the wow.

• 2:49:07Speaker 01

  Now, if people have this dark satanic shit framed in their house, I'm sure they forget about it sometimes and then they go on zoom and it shows up in the background. Now here's another thing. So you follow this rabbit hole a little deeper.

• 2:49:18Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:49:19Speaker 01

  Those hoodies, an artist had to make that art, right? So that artist, his name is John, Jean Michel Basquiat or something. He's actually for, for black culture, they really don't like me. Uh, talking shit on this guy. I've gotten a lot of shit for it because like you don't understand art, you don't understand this guy's contribution. But let me just say this guy. So we're talking about the idea that they pluck people out of obscurity. They bring them into the dark network. They abuse them and then they put them in a celebrity position, right?

• 2:49:52Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:49:53Speaker 01

  That's a template that seems to happen.

• 2:49:54Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:49:55Speaker 01

  This guy, Jean Michel Basquiat, he's an art, he's the guy who made that hoodie. At age seven, he was hit by a car and hospitalized. That's trauma. Parents divorced. Mom went to a mental institution when he was 10 years old. Ding ding ding. By age 11, Basquiat was fluent in French, Spanish and English, and an avid reader of all three languages.

• 2:50:16Danny Jones?

  Who's teaching him?

• 2:50:16Speaker 01

  Holy shit. His mom's in a mental institution. He ran away from home at 15. Why would you run away from home if it's all gravy and you're learning all these fucking languages? And you're just fucking having the best time. He runs away at 15. His father catches him smoking weed in his rooms, kicks him out. He sleeps on a park bench in Washington Square Park and was on LSD. His father spots him with a shaved head and calls the police and brings him home. He gets brought into the art world. He's in New York Times exhibits, Esquire magazines covering him. All the whole apparatus of the art world is like this guy is the next thing. He dated Madonna when he was 24 and 25. Now, at 15, he's running away from home.

• 2:50:58Speaker 01

  His mom's at a mental institution. Something happens between 15 and 24, where he's now an international celebrity, and he's dating Madonna. Now, he's dead by 27. So Madonna's rise to fame starts in 1983 with her self-titled debut album. However, she captures, started in 84 with her performance of "Like a Virgin", and she was dating him when she was at her peak. So how do we reverse, how do we work this out? To me, here's this troubled kid who is brought into the network, probably tossed around like a boy toy, probably Madonna's boy toy. You know, he's getting passed around at orgies, he's doing the drugs and all this stuff.

• 2:51:39Speaker 01

  By 27, he's dead, and Jay-Z spent $5 million on his painting. Now, if you know anything about the art world, you get some, you get a guy like this to make a piece of art. It's nothing, scribbles on a paper. You take it to an appraiser who you know, the appraiser says, "Oh, my God, this guy's a genius. This is worth $10 million." Then you take the artwork and you donate it to a museum at the price tag of $10 million.

• 2:52:03Danny Jones?

  And you get that write-off.

• 2:52:04Speaker 01

  And then you get that write-off. So to me, the same way Corey Haim, or Corey Feldman, or Britney Spears, or all these celebrities we know from these pop, pop culture worlds, who are broken people, who were passed around and then exploited. I believe this guy, who I don't think is a great artist, sorry, I think he was used in the same way. He was Madonna's boy toy, he was abused, and then he makes that fucking picture on the fucking hoodie.

• 2:52:34Danny Jones?

  That's crazy.

• 2:52:35Speaker 01

  I didn't go trying to blast Jean-Michel Basquiat. I did not care. I wanted to know who made that hoodie, and this is what I got. A broken kid who ended up dating Madonna, whose mom was put in a mental institution, who was dead at 27. That's what I found. So I'm sorry that he's a figure in black culture that people like. Here's another weird one. If you find a-

• 2:52:56Danny Jones?

  Did you Google this dude?

• 2:52:57Speaker 04

  I'm still trying to find the Frazzle Drip stuff.

• 2:52:59Speaker 01

  Oh, no, no, no, it hurt me. I've seen a, I've seen a picture that was, that I was told was a frame from the video, just a frame, you know, a still shot. It broke me. You don't want to go deeper. You don't want to go deeper than 90%. I went too deep. I, I'm gonna get choked up just because it's stuck in my head.

• 2:53:20Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 2:53:20Speaker 01

  It's fucked up. Like, it's not a game. You know what I mean?

• 2:53:23Danny Jones?

  They have pictures of this shit?

• 2:53:25Speaker 01

  Well, what I saw looked like a faceless little girl. And I was told, one person who presented it to me, that this was a still shot from Frazzle Drip, that they couldn't show me the whole thing. I don't want to see the whole fucking thing.

• 2:53:38Danny Jones?

  Oh dude.

• 2:53:39Speaker 01

  That is not it. That is not it, but I-

• 2:53:41Danny Jones?

  You can't show that on the podcast.

• 2:53:42Speaker 01

  No, I'm not gonna show it.

• 2:53:43Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:53:43Speaker 01

  I, that's not it, but I don't, like, even, it just reminds me of it. But here's the thing, like, are they psychopaths or not?

• 2:53:50Danny Jones?

  Look up the guy, the Jean, Jean-Luc Basquik, John Michael.

• 2:53:54Speaker 01

  The reason I'm saying look him up is because he had a very unique hairstyle that is a weird, a weird thing with dreadlocks. So Jay-Z's hairstyle now is quite weird, right? The weird dreadlock thing?

• 2:54:07Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:54:08Speaker 01

  It's the same, it's the guy's hair. It's the guy's hair, yeah. That's, it's modeled after this guy, who he bought a painting for $5 million, who did the faceless art. I believe that he saw some shit and that they were like, they like to flaunt, you know? They like to brag. Uh, that is not him.

• 2:54:27Speaker 04

  What's his last name?

• 2:54:28Speaker 01

  It's Bazquait.

• 2:54:29Speaker 04

  Baz.

• 2:54:30Speaker 01

  It's in bold right here. Just get the spelling right.

• 2:54:33Speaker 04

  Oh, that's okay. He must be French.

• 2:54:35Danny Jones?

  There it is, right there. It just popped up, Steve.

• 2:54:37Speaker 04

  Bazquait, alright.

• 2:54:39Speaker 01

  So, yeah, there's his bullshit art. It's nothing.

• 2:54:42Danny Jones?

  Actually, his art's kinda cool, bro.

• 2:54:44Speaker 01

  It's not worth $5 million.

• 2:54:45Danny Jones?

  That one on the top left is pretty badass, and so is that one with the fucking alien in the crowd.

• 2:54:49Speaker 01

  If we had nothing else to do, we could do that.

• 2:54:51Danny Jones?

  That's pretty sick.

• 2:54:52Speaker 01

  If we had nothing else to do, we could do it. So that's him, and that-

• 2:54:56Danny Jones?

  That's him with fucking-

• 2:54:58Speaker 04

  Is that?

• 2:54:59Speaker 01

  Another freak.

• 2:55:02Speaker 04

  Andy Warhol.

• 2:55:03Danny Jones?

  Andy Warhol, yes.

• 2:55:05Speaker 01

  So, look, this is nothing. This is the General Electric logo and some bullshit splatter on it. And they say it's worth $5 million because it's all money laundering.

• 2:55:13Danny Jones?

  That's all art, though. That's all art.

• 2:55:16Speaker 01

  Well, it's money laundering.

• 2:55:17Danny Jones?

  Hey, John Michael Basquik, I think his shit is a lot better than, uh, uh, Jackson Pollock.

• 2:55:22Speaker 01

  Well, yeah.

• 2:55:24Danny Jones?

  You've seen Jackson Pollock's art splatter shit the CIA used to fucking-

• 2:55:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I'm, I was only interested because I wanted to know what the story was behind that hoodie.

• 2:55:34Danny Jones?

  So this is the kid who, who was with the Madonna?

• 2:55:37Speaker 01

  Yes. And he's dead at 27. I think the whole thing is suspicious and I believe that they like to flaunt their criminality.

• 2:55:46Danny Jones?

  Let me see some more of his art.

• 2:55:48Speaker 01

  And so they hired, they hired him to draw that stuff.

• 2:55:51Danny Jones?

  Dude, that's fucking sick.

• 2:55:54Speaker 01

  Well, a lot of this, if you, if you were to go to trauma therapy and then.

• 2:55:58Danny Jones?

  That's badass.

• 2:55:59Speaker 01

  Listen, if a psychologist was like, draw your traumas, it would look like this.

• 2:56:04Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:56:06Speaker 01

  It's demons. And so there, there's the Jay-Z hair. Look at that.

• 2:56:10Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:56:11Speaker 01

  That's exactly like Jay-Z's current hair.

• 2:56:13Danny Jones?

  So Jay-Z thinks this dude is super cool and he wants to do the same kind of hair.

• 2:56:16Speaker 01

  He clearly wants to channel something about this guy.

• 2:56:19Danny Jones?

  That's like shot of rock art.

• 2:56:21Speaker 01

  There he is. I mean, it's.

• 2:56:24Danny Jones?

  Maybe Jay-Z just admires this dude. I mean, dude, his art is pretty dope.

• 2:56:27Speaker 01

  He does admire him because he drew the faceless kid for him.

• 2:56:31Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:56:32Speaker 01

  But dude, I mean, I've seen some shit that just went a little bit too far. And it became not, it's not just provocative fun. Like if these people are actually and killing and torturing children, we have to stop applauding them when they walk into a room.

• 2:56:50Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:56:50Speaker 01

  It's not fun anymore. Like it, like, that's why I say sometimes conspiracy stuff is tabloidy. When you really go down and you get super deep and you start becoming a public figure where people send you stuff off the record. I mean, I'm, I'm a little broken by some of the stuff I've seen.

• 2:57:07Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:57:08Speaker 01

  Especially having kids. I didn't think it would affect me that way. And then when you see it, uh, you just changed. Like it makes me realize I believe nine cops would have killed themselves if they saw the full video. I also believe that there'd be a cleanup crew too, that killed anyone who watched it.

• 2:57:25Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:57:26Speaker 01

  And so how did that video happen? Well, the theory is that, I don't know if that happened at Comet Ping Pong. Some people try to say it did, but there are.

• 2:57:35Danny Jones?

  And Swanson, there was actually a basement there.

• 2:57:37Speaker 01

  Yes, there are these places that are rigged with cameras and then they get people to do nasty shit. There's a magical element to it and there's a blackmail element to it as well. The blackmail element is obviously huge. So Epstein is just one of many. What was Hugh Hefner's deal? Hugh Hefner had a mansion where people party. And if you watch like that reality show that those girls did, they would say, oh, Hef filmed everything and he had a whole bookcase of VHSs in his office.

• 2:58:05Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:58:06Speaker 01

  Why? What were those VHSs of? Did he work for the CIA and this is all big honeypot? What about Diddy parties?

• 2:58:12Danny Jones?

  I wonder if Hefner was in the Epstein files.

• 2:58:15Speaker 01

  I think I've looked.

• 2:58:16Danny Jones?

  I'd be shocked if he wasn't.

• 2:58:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think I have looked. He was Jewish, I believe, and this is an element that comes up time and time again. Hey, Henry Ford. Don't shoot me. Don't shoot me.

• 2:58:26Danny Jones?

  Don't kill the messenger.

• 2:58:27Speaker 01

  I'll say Henry Ford about that. But yeah, I think that if you look at Nick Bryant's stuff and Franklin scandal, it's always these.

• 2:58:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah, not in the Epstein files.

• 2:58:37Speaker 01

  It's always these mansions that are party places with underage girls and drugs and cameras in the walls. In the 60s and 70s, a lot of artists spoke out about Vietnam and this and that. Nobody speaks out anymore. Everybody toes the corporate line.

• 2:58:52Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:58:53Speaker 01

  Cause they're all, they're all getting stuffed three ways a Sunday at these parties and the videos are all over. You know, when the Tate murders happened, when Charles Manson's cronies went and killed Sharon Tate, the cops said they found celebrity porn in the house.

• 2:59:10Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 2:59:11Speaker 01

  Celebrity porn.

• 2:59:12Danny Jones?

  How have I never heard this?

• 2:59:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's obscure, but celebrity porn to me is code for like that kind of material, blackmail material. Also, what's weird about that is again with the paraphictions.

• 2:59:24Danny Jones?

  Oh, was this Roman Polanski's tapes or something? Was this connected to Roman Polanski?

• 2:59:28Speaker 01

  Apparently he directed them.

• 2:59:29Danny Jones?

  I think I have heard this, actually.

• 2:59:30Speaker 01

  He directed the porn.

• 2:59:31Danny Jones?

  I have heard this.

• 2:59:32Speaker 01

  And all that. But Rosemary's Baby, the movie he made, actually mirrors Sharon Tate's life quite a bit. The movie, as you know, is about a woman who wants to be an actress. So she gets involved with the satanic cults and I think gives up her baby or something or she pledges her baby to the thing. Well, was she pregnant? Was Sharon Tate pregnant when she was killed? I think, I think so. I could be mixing stories, but I'm pretty sure. But here's some weird satanic psychos who break in and kill her. I think there's a much deeper story there and I don't even care about Charles Manson. I think he's just an MKUltra.

• 3:00:09Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:00:10Speaker 01

  Whatever, whatever. They put him in the music industry for a while.

• 3:00:13Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:00:13Speaker 01

  He got, he was too crazy for them.

• 3:00:15Danny Jones?

  The Beach Boys.

• 3:00:15Speaker 01

  Beach Boys, yeah. So I, I'm way more interested in.

• 3:00:20Danny Jones?

  Yeah, he was joking. He knew she was pregnant.

• 3:00:22Speaker 01

  Oh. Oh, well, no, I was kind of, you know, stoner mind.

• 3:00:26Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 3:00:26Speaker 01

  Could be, but yeah, she, she was.

• 3:00:28Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:00:29Speaker 01

  Um, I'm way more interested in what was going on in that house. And then if you look at the celebrities and artists who have purchased like the house and they buy.

• 3:00:37Danny Jones?

  Marilyn Manson bought it with, with Trent Reznor and they recorded an album in there.

• 3:00:41Speaker 01

  Nine Inch Nails. I believe Nine Inch Nails, Trent Reznor is another guy who has an obscure charity that I'd be curious about.

• 3:00:50Speaker 01

  It, it's crazy. These, these are the things I look for. I don't know anything. I'm on the outside.

• 3:00:54Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:00:55Speaker 01

  And I, I don't want to over speculate, but time and time again, celebrities with broken brains have weird backgrounds. They're probably passed around. A lot of them are Disney kids. Then you have the weird charities. I mean, I want to know how deep it goes, how bad the cesspool is, how far and wide it is.

• 3:01:14Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:01:14Speaker 01

  Cause it seems like it's all of Hollywood and most of the music industry. And the people who are running point are the agencies. The agencies, they bet on these kids like stocks. They're like, how much, what percentage can I get? When they have nothing, you know, oh, I'll, I'll give you 20%. Oh, great. Well, Christina Aguilera was only going to give me 10%. So I'll take Britney Spears's 20% and I'll use all my resources to make her a celebrity and we'll be fucking her on the weekends. And then her brain will break and then we'll get control of the estate and get her out of there.

• 3:01:45Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:01:46Speaker 01

  That's, I think the game is largely that. I mean, Oliver Tree. Oliver Tree just went down. You know?

• 3:01:54Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:01:54Speaker 01

  That story is interesting because helicopter crash exactly 333 weeks to the day of Kobe's crash.

• 3:02:03Speaker 01

  It's just what it is. I, I verified it myself because I saw this on Tik Tok. I was like, no, no way. I went to the, you can find the calculator, you know, online, you can find calculators between two dates. Came up exactly 333 weeks to the day. His last message was about how his contract with Atlantic Records is falling apart. If you look up the, the list, again, this I didn't verify, but if you look up the list of artists who have died, who were under Atlantic Records, there's like five or six highly suspicious deaths.

• 3:02:34Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 3:02:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah, even I was, I was just watching something the other day about how Michael Jackson like warned how they were going to try to kill him many, many times. And how he even like speculated exactly how they would do it.

• 3:02:46Speaker 01

  Michael Jackson is still a mystery to me. Like, was he a pedo or not? I honestly don't know because I could see the industry destroying him.

• 3:02:55Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:02:56Speaker 01

  But then I could also see cycles of abuse being true. Some people think he was castrated to keep his voice high.

• 3:03:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I heard that.

• 3:03:03Speaker 01

  And so he couldn't really do much. You could still diddle kids just because your junk is fucked up. You could still do inappropriate shit with kids. And they say that Macaulay Culkin was the one who lied. Macaulay Culkin was the one who was willing to lie. And so thus he was rewarded with a series of movies from Home Alone, all the way up to Getting Even with Dad. Timeless classic.

• 3:03:22Danny Jones?

  Lying, saying that he was never abused.

• 3:03:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I believe he said he, yeah, something didn't happen and he was the one they paraded out. And then of course he gets rewarded by the system. It's so sick and dark. I don't know where it ends.

• 3:03:36Danny Jones?

  Wow. It is deep, bro. It is fucked. I don't think I've ever been exposed to this much craziness in a fucking podcast. You gave Sam Tripoli a run for his money, dude.

• 3:03:47Speaker 01

  That's saying some, that's saying some. Well, you know, I've been in the game a long time. I came prepared with notes and, um. You know, I've talked, I've talked to everybody who's worth anything, for the most part. I mean, a lot of them are dead too. Jim Mars was great. There's some weird stuff about Scientology with him, but.

• 3:04:03Danny Jones?

  Jim Mars, never heard of him.

• 3:04:04Speaker 01

  He was like a conspiracy grandpa, big white beard, kinda Santa archetype. He actually was like John Hammond from Jurassic Park.

• 3:04:12Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 3:04:12Speaker 01

  He wrote some amazing books. I interviewed him a few times. He just died of old age, but the fact that I started this when I did, I've got a lot of stuff in that archive that is hard to get out, because it is audio only. No one shares an audio clip. People share video clips, no one shares an audio clip. That's why I had to convert to video partly. But, you know, go comb the archive, you'll find some wild and crazy stuff.

• 3:04:34Danny Jones?

  Your library is vast.

• 3:04:37Speaker 01

  It is.

• 3:04:37Danny Jones?

  Incredible. There's so much stuff in there to dig through. For the last, what, 15 years?

• 3:04:41Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm. You're giving me a run for my money too.

• 3:04:43Danny Jones?

  And how many Tracy Twindman interviews did you do?

• 3:04:46Speaker 01

  I would say five, but they're all two hours. So, you know, 10 hours of her going over all her research. I work best from a book. You know, I don't have a lot of podcasters on. You know, I've become friends with people like Sam and stuff, and I have them on, but I work best from a book, because I like to know that if there's any pause in the conversation, any silence, I can fill it by going to a quote from the book.

• 3:05:10Danny Jones?

  Oh.

• 3:05:11Speaker 01

  And for 15 years, I've read every book that my-

• 3:05:14Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 3:05:14Speaker 01

  Not, so not every book a person has written, but every time their latest work.

• 3:05:18Danny Jones?

  Right, right, right.

• 3:05:19Speaker 01

  Every time I've read at least the latest book that they're under promote.

• 3:05:22Danny Jones?

  You read them like physical books?

• 3:05:24Speaker 01

  Back then, yeah. I mean, now it's, it's nice to have a little assistance with, uh, well, I don't do audiobooks, but I do Kindle where I highlight things, and then I take the highlights and they become my outline.

• 3:05:36Danny Jones?

  Export them or whatever?

• 3:05:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, but back in the day, my wife would watch me come home from GameStop. I have a book here and I'm writing, handwriting quotes, and that would be my outline.

• 3:05:45Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 3:05:46Speaker 01

  I used to sell my outlines on, signed outlines on eBay too.

• 3:05:49Danny Jones?

  You must be a good reader. I can't read that fast, bro. It takes me like a month to read a book.

• 3:05:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:05:53Danny Jones?

  It's unfortunate.

• 3:05:53Speaker 01

  My, um, my ACTs or whatever.

• 3:05:56Danny Jones?

  Takes me two hours to watch 60 Minutes.

• 3:05:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, I like it. Uh, reading comprehension was off the charts, and science and math were both dog shit. And it's the only way I got into college with an ACT score of 25, because, uh, you know, the one part was good. So I leaned in, again, the astrology. Apparently I'm good at this one thing. We don't all have to be well-rounded. Lean into what you're good at.

• 3:06:15Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:06:15Speaker 01

  Monetize it. But I read every book. So what was great about my show, I guess was, it's not over, but, um- I would find the craziest things people say in their book. And I'd be like, on page 43, you said this thing about how you once had an experience with an entity and then you kind of just like went past it. Can you elaborate on that? And sometimes people are like, wow, I didn't expect this to come up. And then they will elaborate, you know? So I think I got some good interviews by, by using that process and, and method. But it's, it's a fun job.

• 3:06:46Danny Jones?

  They are fantastic. And for anyone just learning about Greg's show, I highly recommend the Tracy Twyman ones. If you want to learn about some lady communicating with fucking Kane over a Ouija board. I mean, it doesn't get any more wild than that, bro. That, that fucking sent me.

• 3:07:02Speaker 01

  Well, you know, then it scales up to the anal birth of the harmonica.

• 3:07:04Danny Jones?

  Right. Yes, the anal birth of the harmonica. Can't forget about that.

• 3:07:07Speaker 01

  I just try to be open minded. I don't, I try to be pretty neutral. I don't know what to make. I'm on the outside looking in, but the curiosity has led to some really interesting and dark places. And the other thing I did, you know, a lot of people's podcasts, it'll just be one big crazy list of shows because that's what an RSS feed is. I built out like a Netflix style display into the website. So if you go to the website, no one goes to websites anymore. It's always like the YouTube channel or the Spotify channel or the Patreon. Go to the fucking website and like the old internet was supposed to be before middlemen got involved. But I, I have structured it so that there's categories as if you're scrolling genres on Netflix. And so you can go into what you're interested in and there'll be shows and a lot of them are timeless.

• 3:07:51Speaker 01

  They might be six years old, but I don't do a lot of current events. So if I interview a guy about grimoire magic in Old English Grimoire Magic, that's kind of evergreen.

• 3:08:00Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:08:02Speaker 01

  So, you know, it's all there.

• 3:08:03Danny Jones?

  That's cool, bro. Well, um, we'll link everything below from your website to your YouTube, everything else. Anything else that we're missing that we should tell people?

• 3:08:10Speaker 01

  No, check out the Gordon White ones because he's so great and he's been on more than anyone else and the Chris Knowles ones. Chris Knowles is another really good buddy who's, who's very out there.

• 3:08:21Danny Jones?

  Ah, I gotta go take a walk after this podcast, bro.

• 3:08:25Speaker 04

  Me too, me too.

• 3:08:27Danny Jones?

  All right. Well, thanks again, bro. That was fucking amazing. Everything's linked below. Good night, folks.

• 3:08:33Speaker 04

  We have Patreon questions.

• 3:08:35Danny Jones?

  We have Patreon questions?

• 3:08:35Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 3:08:36Danny Jones?

  We have time? All right. You got time to do some Patreon questions?

• 3:08:38Speaker 04

  I have time, yeah.

• 3:08:38Danny Jones?

  Let's do it.

• 3:08:39Speaker 04

  I love questions.

• 3:08:39Danny Jones?

  Cool.

• 3:08:40Speaker 04

  All righty.

• 3:08:40Danny Jones?

  All right. Let's see the other podcast. We're going to Patreon.

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