THE SCARE-A Ft. Cyrus Veyssi | Episode 174

We're back in New York and Cyrus Veyssi returns to the show this week!! Drew and Cyrus discuss why feather couches are diabolical, dealing with explosive dog diarrhea, being a third-generation Gemini, Cyrus’ Harvard-certified bartending license, college acapella, and so much more. Cyrus IG: https://www.instagram.com/cyrusveyssi/ Cyrus Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@cyrusveyssi?lang=en Follow The Comment Section on IG! https://www.instagram.com/thecommentsection/?hl=en eBay is the place for pre-loved and vintage fashion. This episode is brought to you by Sol de Janeiro and the NEW Body Badalada Lotion. Visit soldejaneiro.com today to learn more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:32Drew Afualo?

  I have a feather couch, too. I just got it.

• 0:34Speaker 02

  I want to, I want to, I want to.

• 0:35Drew Afualo?

  I hate it.

• 0:36Speaker 02

  I want to find, I don't even want to, I don't want to burn it down. I want to find who made it, and I want to show up, and I want to just scare them. I don't want to say too much now, but I want to scare them.

• 0:46Drew Afualo?

  Just a little something.

• 0:47Speaker 02

  I just want to give them a little fright.

• 0:55Drew Afualo?

  Hey, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the Comment Section Show. Sorry, me, your fave, everybody knows me, who cares about me, on to the guest. Today, we have the iconic, the legendary, my favorite personally, Seeru Sfacy.

• 1:09Drew Afualo?

  You're back yet again.

• 1:11Speaker 02

  I'm fucking back.

• 1:12Drew Afualo?

  You are so, we're so fucking back.

• 1:14Speaker 02

  We're so fucking back. I was scared for a moment, just with the way of the world, but we're back and we're here.

• 1:19Drew Afualo?

  Right, and then we have no choice but to persist, don't we?

• 1:21Speaker 02

  Literally, no, but I'm Drew, I'm not even joking, at this point, I have no choice. I'm here, I'm a little older, I have more IBS than I did before. Mind you, when we first filmed, I was like, remember, I had the whole nip shit before, literally.

• 1:36Drew Afualo?

  You were telling, you were like, you have no idea what I had yesterday.

• 1:39Speaker 02

  I was like, just like five feet, I was like five feet apart, Drew, I'm like, actually. But you know what, anyway, enough about my bowels, no, I'm so excited to be here.

• 1:45Drew Afualo?

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• 2:20Speaker 02

  Me too.

• 2:20Drew Afualo?

  We've come a long way. Me and Sirius go way back.

• 2:23Speaker 02

  Wait, way back to like Instagram Live.

• 2:26Drew Afualo?

  And I, dare I say, you saw my sparkle before most people did.

• 2:30Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, it was glittering so, it was glittering so loud.

• 2:32Drew Afualo?

  Dare I say, cuz I, I remember you were one of the first people with a verified checkmark, mind you, uh, to reach out to me and be like, hey, I think you're fucking awesome. We should do something on live.

• 2:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, correct. Also, didn't pay for that verified blue checkmark, mind you.

• 2:46Drew Afualo?

  No, didn't.

• 2:47Speaker 02

  What a whole press strategy.

• 2:48Drew Afualo?

  Absolutely didn't.

• 2:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, you were fucking rock. Sorry, that was so fun. No, but seeing your career and your journey has been so fulfilling.

• 2:56Drew Afualo?

  Likewise.

• 2:56Speaker 02

  And also constantly texting with your mother has been my favorite, second favorite part of being a part of your journey.

• 3:04Drew Afualo?

  That's everyone's thing. They're like, I love your mom.

• 3:07Speaker 02

  No, it's like your mom, your mom, your man, your sister, I'm just like in it for the ride with all of you.

• 3:13Drew Afualo?

  Imagine my posse was the worst. Uh, one time when I, when this girl made like a hate video about me, she said that she saw me walking around with my posse and I was like, that's my family.

• 3:24Speaker 02

  And also.

• 3:24Drew Afualo?

  It's my mother.

• 3:25Speaker 02

  So you were also watching me?

• 3:27Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I was like, that's my mother, first of all.

• 3:29Speaker 02

  People are crazy. People are, people have not changed. They're still crazy.

• 3:33Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 3:34Speaker 02

  We're just getting a little bit of a different type of crazy.

• 3:36Drew Afualo?

  I agree. Or people are just getting more, like, I feel like, and maybe you agree with this. With this new scary era, this newer scary era.

• 3:44Speaker 02

  The scare.

• 3:45Drew Afualo?

  Many, many of them have been scarras, yeah, for a minute. I feel like now more than ever is the time to experience joy. Like, cuz it's almost like, well, the world's ending.

• 3:55Speaker 02

  Yeah. What else are we gonna do? No, a hundred percent. I've also, I think I'm done, I'm done changing people's minds.

• 4:02Drew Afualo?

  For real?

• 4:02Speaker 02

  I'm like, if you wanna come onto my platform, giggle, laugh, maybe start to change the way that you see things on your own.

• 4:10Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 4:11Speaker 02

  We can kiki all day, sweetheart. If you expect me to do more work.

• 4:16Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 4:16Speaker 02

  Honey, we've put in the work.

• 4:17Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 4:17Speaker 02

  I've done as much as I can do and I genuinely think to my. Core, there, at this point, we've just seen people, there are people who don't want to change. You laugh, I'm gonna laugh.

• 4:25Drew Afualo?

  For real.

• 4:25Speaker 02

  I'm still gonna be prettier than you, and, and that's fine.

• 4:28Drew Afualo?

  And that's our journey in life.

• 4:30Speaker 02

  We just have to say it out loud. Stop denying it.

• 4:33Drew Afualo?

  We all need to come to terms with it. It'll be a lot easier that way.

• 4:36Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 4:37Drew Afualo?

  Well, and that's another thing I love about you, because obviously, obviously, we, I've known you for years. But I love that you're so, you're so willing and so fun. That like, even when people are still being a teensy bit offensive. You're like, go ahead and sit down, I'll, I'll explain to you why that's really bad.

• 4:55Speaker 02

  I think you know what it is, and you know what it is too. And like, sit down, like, in your own space, because again, five feet still from them. I'm just, I think what it is, is, I wish that when I was younger, I had the power to be able to articulate exactly what it, what I wanted to say. Even if that was like, fuck off. And that's fine too, like, I didn't have that power.

• 5:20Drew Afualo?

  Ranging from anything, yeah.

• 5:21Speaker 02

  And then I think part of it too is that like, what I've seen is the people who support me and are in my circle, my followers, and they actually will then take what, the way that I respond to people and the way that I react, and they use it in their own lives. So for me, it's like, we're giggling, we're laughing, like, anytime I see either you post something, or like, Tiffy, or someone that's so the reality is, I really do think people are taking that and like

• 5:45Drew Afualo?

  I agree.

• 5:45Speaker 02

  Which I think is amazing. Cause I'm like, there, there, there's only so much that I can do, like, baby, it's your life, you have to figure out how to navigate this you know, shithole, together, right now.

• 5:56Drew Afualo?

  I agree, and I feel like, I just feel like you're one of the best people to use as a, as any sort of source, whether it's like inspiration or just education, cause obviously, education should not fall on, on the shoulders of the marginalized or oppressed.

• 6:09Speaker 02

  It shouldn't.

• 6:10Drew Afualo?

  And, but even you, like, still, the way that you post and the way you talk about things, you still do it in a way that's still so like sweet and enlightened, and like, it's, it's still like, it's almost like you're the polar opposite of me.

• 6:23Speaker 02

  Which I love.

• 6:24Drew Afualo?

  Which I love.

• 6:24Speaker 02

  The duality.

• 6:25Drew Afualo?

  Like two sides of the same coin.

• 6:26Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 6:27Drew Afualo?

  The way that you do it is like, oh, I'm not gonna sit here and explain it to you. But you can look, you can look and understand and all of those things, that's fine. You can perceive from afar. And I'm like, fuck you.

• 6:37Speaker 02

  Listen, though. My version, you hold in a lot. So then when I'm at my wit's end.

• 6:43Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 6:43Speaker 02

  My phone, Drew, uh, watch all your videos. Do you know what I mean? Like, it is a form of a catharsis that it just, it's like, everybody has a way to handle the situation.

• 6:55Drew Afualo?

  I agree.

• 6:56Speaker 02

  And you have to figure out when it works. However, I will say this, I feel like I've told you this.

• 7:00Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 7:00Speaker 02

  I'm nice ninety-seven percent of the time. That three percent of the time, I promise, I promise. My mean is meaner than your mean.

• 7:10Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 7:10Speaker 02

  I can go low.

• 7:11Drew Afualo?

  And clock it.

• 7:12Speaker 02

  And clock it. And I can go like, middle school degrading low of like, when I used to like bully bullies.

• 7:20Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 7:20Speaker 02

  Like, that, I don't ever wanna go there. I don't think anyone should ever see it.

• 7:23Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 7:23Speaker 02

  But I can go there.

• 7:24Drew Afualo?

  Absolutely. And you're way too fucking smart, so that's another thing that they're contending with.

• 7:29Speaker 02

  A hundred percent. But I do think, Drew, you're also, you do have a, your, your soft side is also just so lovely.

• 7:38Drew Afualo?

  But not many people get to see that.

• 7:39Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, but I'm very privileged.

• 7:41Drew Afualo?

  That's true.

• 7:41Speaker 02

  And mind you, let's check in in a year and see how I feel. I'm like, I'm nice now, but like, I'm going through it.

• 7:47Drew Afualo?

  But you're, you are going through, but guess what? You're rising above the ashes, bitch, because your career has never been higher. I'm so happy for you.

• 7:55Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 7:56Drew Afualo?

  You know what's so funny? I, we joke about this all the time privately, but like, we are always talking about each other and singing our praises about each other. And then putting ourselves onto other brands. We do that all the time. Seruza's put me onto so many brands.

• 8:09Speaker 02

  Literally. Or like, all I need is a text. And you know, I'm like, okay, so hi, Christine Pearson from Coda Lee, who we love. I need to just, and then it's, but it's vice versa.

• 8:19Drew Afualo?

  I agree, because I pitched you for something too, and you did it for Amazon.

• 8:23Speaker 02

  Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 8:24Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, for Amazon.

• 8:25Speaker 02

  Winners love to see other winners win.

• 8:26Drew Afualo?

  I agree.

• 8:27Speaker 02

  I think that is what it is, too.

• 8:29Drew Afualo?

  And I literally was so, when I was filled with so much joy when I saw that they picked you, because I was like, Seruza. Bruce is such a star, thank god. I was like, yes.

• 8:36Speaker 02

  Exactly. That feeling very much resonated with me too. And I think it's, I don't know if you feel this way right now, I feel like we've talked about this too. When I've come up as a figure in media, as someone who does comedy content on TikTok, as someone who works in the influencer space for work, like that's my job. I think not being specifically cast in your characterization of what society sees you as

• 9:04Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 9:04Speaker 02

  is empowering.

• 9:05Drew Afualo?

  I agree.

• 9:06Speaker 02

  I'm, I'm mass bitch. Like, I'm on, you know what I mean? Like, I'm like, at this point, and I, I think this, I, I feel like in our little circle of people, even though we don't live in the same places and even though we don't go to the same events all the time, I feel like we're constantly thinking the same way.

• 9:25Drew Afualo?

  I agree. We're so aligned. I ask Bruce about business advice all the time.

• 9:29Speaker 02

  And I'm happy to give it.

• 9:31Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I literally, we, we key on, well, we'll FaceTime for hours, but we'll talk about business probably about 10 minutes of it.

• 9:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:36Drew Afualo?

  The rest is just a key.

• 9:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:37Drew Afualo?

  But I, the last business advice you gave me.

• 9:40Speaker 02

  Wait, what was it? I'm scared.

• 9:41Drew Afualo?

  It was about PR.

• 9:42Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 9:43Drew Afualo?

  And you were, and yeah, and you said like, I don't wanna tell you who to choose, but choose the other one.

• 9:47Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm. Straight up. No, no, no. Because, listen, because if it was someone that I didn't love as much, I'd be, be like, yeah, they're great. No, I'm kidding. But like, no, I'm just, but like, I, again, I, I think now, I know, when I go back to winners wanna see other winners win.

• 10:03Drew Afualo?

  I agree.

• 10:03Speaker 02

  I know who on the other side of the industry will actually show up.

• 10:07Drew Afualo?

  Exactly.

• 10:07Speaker 02

  That's different too.

• 10:08Drew Afualo?

  I, I agree. That's why I seek your counsel often.

• 10:11Speaker 02

  Thank you so much.

• 10:12Drew Afualo?

  Because I'm like, I need to ask my, I need to ask my counsel.

• 10:15Speaker 02

  Oh, listen, that library.

• 10:16Drew Afualo?

  I need to ask my president.

• 10:16Speaker 02

  That library will never close. Mama, you can always come over. Like, just, at this point, like, what, I can't gatekeep anything.

• 10:23Drew Afualo?

  That's true.

• 10:24Speaker 02

  Do you know what I mean?

• 10:25Drew Afualo?

  Well, and that's why I think you're so wonderful, because I, I feel like, I talked about this with Karamo Brown.

• 10:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 10:29Drew Afualo?

  But I was saying, like, I have no, I walk, and I know you walk in this too, because we're alike in this sense, but like, in a sense of abundance. Like, I have an abundance mindset, so do you. So it's like, anything I offer in terms of advice or, or. Or whatever is because I have no fear of lack and I know you don't have that either.

• 10:47Speaker 02

  No.

• 10:47Drew Afualo?

  And so it's it's I feel like it the universe works in such beautiful karmic ways when you're like that when you walk through the especially this business.

• 10:55Speaker 02

  Do you feel what do you think was your turning point? I feel like I know what was mine like when I found peace. Like when I found peace and I chose that joy abundance mindset.

• 11:06Drew Afualo?

  Um, probably when I started working for real like in in like grown up jobs, but more specifically in sports because I felt like there were so few women already that I was like, well, I'm not gonna turn on my sisters like my girls that are here. And then when I got to the actual NFL and I was being turned on by my sisters, I was like, well, this is not how we do things. Like I just remember thinking like that is such a poisonous mindset to have and it wasn't just applying to women like in that in work environment, it felt so like competitive, but in a way that's like I have to get it before you do. Or I want it because you have it like I don't move that way like that is so icky to me. So when I started doing this and running my own business, I was like, I'm not moving that way.

• 11:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, heavy on the running your own business.

• 11:51Drew Afualo?

  Right, you too.

• 11:52Speaker 02

  At the end of the day, that is no, I'm telling you like it has, I think the the selfish part of having a platform is a sense of power like I'm not gonna lie like having the power to know that like if my friends go out and someone is really homophobic to them at some stupid fucking like bro bar. Mama, it'll take me one geotag to have that place shut. That's power.

• 12:17Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I agree.

• 12:18Speaker 02

  That's a form.

• 12:19Drew Afualo?

  That's a loaded gun.

• 12:20Speaker 02

  That's a loaded gun. That's really, really that to me, again, it seems very superficial, but I I think it is those little things that maybe again, it's because like when I was younger, I didn't have that power and now.

• 12:31Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, totally.

• 12:32Speaker 02

  I think it's like I've always believed I feel like you have to that like if you're gonna say it, say it with that fucking chest.

• 12:36Drew Afualo?

  For real.

• 12:37Speaker 02

  Say with that chest. So like, why would you care if I just showed millions of people?

• 12:41Drew Afualo?

  Exactly.

• 12:42Speaker 02

  Why would you care?

• 12:42Drew Afualo?

  Well, clearly I didn't care.

• 12:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, you said I didn't say it.

• 12:45Drew Afualo?

  What was the turning point for you?

• 12:46Speaker 02

  I think it, okay, so I did something insane. I would do right when we first started and I first started, I would set like a thirty minute alarm. Just thirty minutes and I would just sit in silence. Like, I wouldn't even meditate. I would just sit. And I, I think for me it was because I really feared loneliness. Like, I really feared being alone. And then I realized, over time, first of all, I was like, I'm fucking psycho. Like, my brother would be like, what are you doing? Like, this is insane. I would literally sit in those thirty minutes.

• 13:16Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 13:16Speaker 02

  And I would make myself accustomed to being alone. And I think it was different than choosing to live a life of loneliness. I think it was choosing loneliness in moments to like better connect with myself. That was my turning point. Cause then it was like, I'm the only, I'm the only person that has my own back. If I can be alone and be content and sit in a room that's really awkward, alone and not do anything, and get to a point where that actually brings me joy.

• 13:44Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 13:45Speaker 02

  It is the only way I feel like I've been able to like maintain my climb.

• 13:49Drew Afualo?

  That's so.

• 13:50Speaker 02

  It's weird, though. It's really weird.

• 13:51Drew Afualo?

  It is, it is of like, I think with no context, it may sound strange, but also we're so surrounded by noise that it would seem strange to the average person.

• 13:59Speaker 02

  I tell my followers that all the time. They're like, okay, sister. They're like, not doing that. They're like, that's, okay, love you. We'll definitely still following.

• 14:07Drew Afualo?

  It's so funny you say that because since I started doing this, I felt like, like if I film my show, like I'm doing today, or like some days I'll film like three episodes in a day. I think the most I've ever done in a day is like four. Which is just me yapping for a fucking hours, right?

• 14:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:23Drew Afualo?

  Which is a dream job, don't get me wrong.

• 14:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:25Drew Afualo?

  But then like when I go into my, like, green room at home, like my dressing room at my studio, and I go in my, I'll, I'll go directly into my bathroom after I'm done. And I'll just sit on the toilet in silence.

• 14:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:36Drew Afualo?

  I don't even look at my phone.

• 14:37Speaker 02

  People ask me, what do I do for fun now? And I tell them, I steam. I go into the bathroom, I crank that shit to like one hundred and eighty degrees in my shower, and I sit in silence. And that is, you know what?

• 14:47Drew Afualo?

  I'm not even kidding. I'm gonna copy you.

• 14:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, it is. I'm telling you.

• 14:50Drew Afualo?

  I'm gonna copy that.

• 14:51Speaker 02

  Clean mind, clean pores.

• 14:52Drew Afualo?

  No, that's so.

• 14:53Speaker 02

  Two things at once.

• 14:54Drew Afualo?

  And you have the best skin I've ever seen on a human in my entire life. And I'm being so deadass, like you're.

• 14:58Speaker 02

  It's work. No, I mean, listen.

• 14:59Drew Afualo?

  Your skin is glass.

• 15:00Speaker 02

  Uh, it takes that work. I'm like loneliness.

• 15:04Drew Afualo?

  It'll do wonders for the skin.

• 15:06Speaker 02

  But it is true. I think that is. Like even when people ask me for advice all the time, I'm like, you're gonna be, you're gonna be moving so much, you're gonna be traveling so much. Even when you see your, your friends who are creators at events, a lot of it is still work, like a lot of it is still.

• 15:18Drew Afualo?

  It always is.

• 15:19Speaker 02

  Exhausted, so when you have that time, I swear, like right now with, we have the puppy and with Michael, like I don't leave the apartment. I only leave, there's a little check.

• 15:31Drew Afualo?

  You're literally me. I never leave my fucking house ever, to the point where I started talking about therapy. I started telling my girl, I was like, sometimes I think I'm getting agoraphobic.

• 15:42Speaker 02

  Oh, no, I, I, I'm delusional. The other day, my friend had a birthday party, I text them, I'm like, do you have the Uber code? I was like, I, I was like, girl, I am, I am, I am exhausted. No, I'm, I'm obviously kidding. No, but I, I do, I, I think that is my only, that is the only frustration that I felt is that like, I, I'm very comfortable at home now and I really do feel like I'm trying to push myself to enjoy the things that even when I'm exhausted and even when it's tiring, I loved it to do. Like Michael and I, we, we like, will like book date nights, like we'll make sure that it's in the calendar, which is so weird. White people shit is so fucking weird.

• 16:25Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I've been doing that white people shit too.

• 16:28Speaker 02

  Are you crazy?

• 16:29Drew Afualo?

  And like intention, like, do you intentionally say, you're like, we're going to leave the house?

• 16:36Speaker 02

  Like a Cal invite, fucking kill me, it's so sad. But it's the only way, I really do think it is like, and you know, you, you and your man have been together for a while. Michael and I were hitting plus six years, like it is, it is so important. No, it's insane.

• 16:50Drew Afualo?

  And you're tallest fuck, which I always forget until I see you in person.

• 16:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, I will say.

• 16:55Drew Afualo?

  You're naturally so tall, your whole family's tall.

• 16:58Speaker 02

  No, Kev is a giant, he's like six, six. Not that bad, I'm like, you can't ride on roller coasters bitch, I don't know what you're talking about, it's, it's pretty bad, yeah, fuck you. No, it's really bad. Um, but no, I, I, you know, I think that is one thing that I'm, I'm really starting to, um, trying to find some equilibrium with.

• 17:14Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it's normal human time. Yeah, normal human time is awesome. I know you text me too when I took my break and that was a big reason why I took my break too. Uh, was because I was like, I need to go touch fucking grass. I need to go be normal. Like, I need to go out in the real world and like, I went to the movies to see Sinners. I haven't been to the movies in like two and a half years. Like, literally, I haven't seen one movie.

• 17:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:37Drew Afualo?

  And so I was like, I, when I was going to the movies, I went with Brittany.

• 17:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:42Drew Afualo?

  And my sister, my man. And when, I was ready before everyone, which is a shock.

• 17:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was about to say.

• 17:48Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it's like shocking. And, um, I was just pacing around my room. And then my man was like, is everything okay? And I was like, yeah, yeah, I just feel like, should I change? I like changed like three times. Everyone in the movies, like, it's not serious.

• 18:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:01Drew Afualo?

  And then he's like, is everything alright? And I was like, I don't know. I just feel like I'm feeling so like weirdly anxious. Like, I don't know. And then I realized I was like nervous to go to the movies. Because I was like, that's why in therapy, I'm like, I think I'm becoming afraid of the outside world.

• 18:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, me too.

• 18:16Drew Afualo?

  My therapist literally told me, not even a week ago, she was like, cause I was telling her, I was having a bad day and I was feeling like very overwhelmed and stressed because one of my dogs, speaking of dogs, we're gonna talk about your puppy in a minute.

• 18:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, we have to.

• 18:29Drew Afualo?

  We have to.

• 18:31Speaker 02

  I have a story to tell you from this morning, mind you.

• 18:35Drew Afualo?

  So, one of my, one of my two Frenchies, my one that's not really sick ever, he got really sick and so I had to take him to the vet and like, it was like

• 18:43Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, I remember.

• 18:44Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, he ate something, whatever.

• 18:47Speaker 02

  They eat the craziest shit.

• 18:48Drew Afualo?

  Oh, girl, anything. And it doesn't even taste good. And I, and I have Frenchies, so I'm already fighting their loss of life.

• 18:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:54Drew Afualo?

  Pretty frequently, um, so like, and I fostered them, so stop.

• 18:58Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 18:58Drew Afualo?

  But, um, this is my deaf baby, like, and so I had to take him to the, the hospital and it was like really stressful. And then I had a girl, like, literally, she was, uh, learning to be a vet, so she was like, uh, they're in their residency kind of deal.

• 19:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:13Drew Afualo?

  And so she was standing there and then she was like, the doctor was like, do you have any other, do you have any questions for them? And then the girl was like, no, I don't think so. And then she goes, I do actually have one question.

• 19:24Speaker 02

  Uh-oh.

• 19:25Drew Afualo?

  Are you on TikTok? And then I go, yeah, I am. And then she goes, oh my god, I knew it. Mind you, I think my dog is dying, so it's clear I've been crying.

• 19:35Speaker 02

  Also, isn't there like HIPAA for animals? Like you can't cross that boundaries.

• 19:39Drew Afualo?

  Apparently not. We have to do something about it. And so I was like, I just felt so like encroached on and I felt violated. And then I was like, I can't even put my address on like my dog's profile because like I don't know, I don't know what you're gonna do with it. And it's just one of those things where it's just, it's one of those things that makes me crack out about being seen all the time. So I was explaining this to my therapist and I was like, sometimes I feel like a zoo animal. Like I just feel like I'm an attraction and everyone gets to come. And I can hear everything and I can feel them tapping on the glass really hard.

• 20:10Speaker 02

  At the vet, like you're the animal.

• 20:12Drew Afualo?

  Exactly.

• 20:13Speaker 02

  No, I'm kidding. No, it's really.

• 20:14Drew Afualo?

  And I need to be spayed.

• 20:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, it's really, I'm like do, yeah, do all the procedures, honestly. Clean me out, colonic, do whatever you have to do. No, but it is, I get that, yeah.

• 20:23Drew Afualo?

  It's really, it's over, it can get really overwhelming sometimes.

• 20:25Speaker 02

  Especially in a professional atmosphere like that. Especially in a private, you can use my address. Now I'll just use mine. You can forward it all to me, I'm fine.

• 20:33Drew Afualo?

  And my therapist literally told me, she goes, well, you know, like, and I was like, you know, like, I know animals aren't supposed to be in captivity and that's how it feels. And then she goes, well, even the ones that do thrive in captivity, like, it's not natural for them to be in there. Like even if, and she goes, even if they look happy in there, they have babies and stuff. In, inside the cage, she's like, they're still in the cage, so they, it's still not natural for them to be in the cage, so. And then she goes, and I go, yeah, and then it makes me feel like I'm trapped because it's like, I don't, I'm not ungrateful for what I have. But this part I didn't anticipate having to deal with. And it's just a lot. And she goes, yeah, those are called double binds when it's like damned if you do, damned if you don't. And I was like, I just feel like it makes me feel go, like I'm going insane. And then she goes, well, you know, double binds frequent double binds.

• 21:15Drew Afualo?

  And encountering them does tend to trigger psychosis in most people, especially women.

• 21:23Speaker 02

  I'd be like, we have to rap, we have to rap this, this session.

• 21:27Drew Afualo?

  So I feel like I'm going insane because I am.

• 21:29Speaker 02

  It is, it's really, oh, because I am.

• 21:33Drew Afualo?

  Like, I was like, oh.

• 21:35Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 21:36Drew Afualo?

  Right, right, right, right, right. I love her though.

• 21:38Speaker 02

  Off to a little getaway by the sea, you know what I mean? Like, I think sometimes I'm like, yeah, I'm ready, take me.

• 21:44Drew Afualo?

  I'm gonna have to go upstate pretty soon.

• 21:45Speaker 02

  I'm gonna have to go up, up, upstate.

• 21:47Drew Afualo?

  They're gonna take me out back and shoot me.

• 21:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, crazy, literally, don't miss, I'm like, literally.

• 21:52Drew Afualo?

  I don't, I fear who I'll become if you do.

• 21:55Speaker 02

  I fear they'll miss. I, no, it really is, and I, and I do think that it's not even, there is the, the, the idea that many things can be true than once. At once, it's just, it's not, I don't think it's a concept that a lot of people understand.

• 22:08Drew Afualo?

  I agree.

• 22:09Speaker 02

  It is hard. I mean, like, even like, when people ask me, like, so what you do hard, and I say what I physically do, it's not hard.

• 22:15Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 22:15Speaker 02

  The things that I have to do when I have to shoot things, I have joy in that. It's a lot of work, I get tired, there's definitely more difficult days. The, I think the most, the hardest part was getting to where I'm at.

• 22:24Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I agree.

• 22:25Speaker 02

  And having to fight the battles that I had to fight.

• 22:26Drew Afualo?

  I agree.

• 22:27Speaker 02

  Even with people that I love, I had to fight battles, right?

• 22:29Drew Afualo?

  I agree.

• 22:30Speaker 02

  And then, having to pretend like the things that don't bring you crippling anxiety, aren't bringing you crippling anxiety. Like, and then if I explained it to people, and they're like, what's wrong? I'm like, I, I, literally, nothing. It's all in, like, I'm like, it's literally my head. It's this is wrong.

• 22:49Drew Afualo?

  It's stuck up there, that's the problem.

• 22:50Speaker 02

  I can't explain it. Like, that's the problem.

• 22:52Drew Afualo?

  Same, and I've told people, that's another reason why when creators ask me for advice too, I always tell them, like, the first thing I say is, are you in therapy? If not, get in it, if you can. The next question I ask is, do you have any friends in the industry? Like, make friends who do the exact same thing you do. Oh, cuz girl, the way we grip each other, when shit like this happens, it's like, no, because nobody understands. Nobody can relate to your problems, which I don't think you should be able to, like, I would never sit across from, like, a health worker or a teacher and be like, you guys don't understand how fucking hard it is. Obviously not, because your job is infinitely harder than mine, I'm just a dickhead on the internet.

• 23:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, crap.

• 23:29Drew Afualo?

  And I, what I've told people though is, like you said, two things can be true at the same time. The same time, is this job the hardest job in the world? No. But does this job come with such a specifically unique setup issues that no one on the planet knows how to deal with? Yes, and that's tru- that's okay, that's fine.

• 23:45Speaker 02

  No, if I if I'm walking into a Sweetgreen and the line is more than like fifteen people and I'm having a panic attack, I'm not calling my dad. He's gonna be like, grip the fuck up and go and get your salad bitch. Like, I'm calling you. It's very different. I'm like, I don't. And like even like with being with being recognized. It's funny, a lot of people and I think the fallacy, it may exist, I think with like a lot of the sort of. Because the creator economy is so inundated now and we have a lot of egos, I think it is about like, oh, like to be seen and whatever. My primary goal is safety.

• 24:16Drew Afualo?

  Same.

• 24:17Speaker 02

  I don't give a fuck about anything except being safe. And mind you, when I'm with my family, I'm even more nervous.

• 24:22Drew Afualo?

  Same.

• 24:22Speaker 02

  Like, my parents wanna go to a restaurant that's like really, I I'm not even joking, like, I don't wanna, like, I'm like, listen, I don't. I don't trust people.

• 24:29Drew Afualo?

  Same.

• 24:29Speaker 02

  I'm good with like, I don't, I just don't, you just never know what's gonna happen.

• 24:33Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I did, I I agree, and it's and it's something that like. Again, you you wouldn't understand unless it was you. And I think I've even said this in therapy too, I think I've talked about it on the show where like. I've talked about this in therapy extensively, but like when I was a kid and I would watch. Celebrities like have these freakouts like at paparazzi or they would be like, leave me alone or whatever, and people talk about having really rude interactions. Are a lot of them, like, could a lot of them be stated as rude? Sure, right? But could many of them just be the byproduct of being followed, looked at, talked to and screamed at constantly? Yes, and I was like, and this was before like social media, I can't even imagine how bad it was then.

• 25:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:13Drew Afualo?

  Now we have the internet, it's just terrible in a different way. Like, it's like, one bad interaction could have a video go.

• 25:19Speaker 02

  Hundred percent.

• 25:20Drew Afualo?

  Fucking viral. And then people are like, oh, she's the rudest person I've ever met, she's so fucking mean, like. She's so this, she's so that, and then everyone just starts making shit up. It's like, it's the most anxiety inducing thing because I struggle with not being able to control. And I cannot control that, no matter what I do. No matter how perfect and awesome and amazing I am.

• 25:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:39Drew Afualo?

  I can't control that. So like, the anxiety I feel, that's why I said, I feel like I'm becoming agoraphobic. I don't like to go anywhere where there's a lot of people. And one time I did an interview with Rolling Stone and I was like, she was like, oh yeah, like, do you have like. Do they, do you hang out with like family and stuff? I was like, all the time. I take my family everywhere. It's part of the reason why I feel better, but also why I I'm nervous.

• 26:01Speaker 02

  Those two things are true.

• 26:02Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it's like I can't keep all of them with me at all times, even though I want to.

• 26:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, always.

• 26:06Drew Afualo?

  And they had mentioned something about milestone parties and I was like, yeah, I don't really go to those anymore. Like, I can't go to weddings. I can't go to baby showers. I can't go to funerals. I can't go to anything like that because when I do, I pull focus and like, that's not a brag. It's the worst thing in the world.

• 26:23Speaker 02

  I don't even wanna celebrate my fucking birthday. I don't even wanna do a birthday dinner. I'm like, ugh.

• 26:28Drew Afualo?

  It's just so terrible. Like, it's, I, even when I go out to birthday dinners, like, it's awful. It's, it's one of those things where it's like, it's not worth it to me. Because I'm, I feel like I'm pulling focus and that's unfair.

• 26:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:40Drew Afualo?

  And I've had, I've had people ask to take pictures with me at funerals. Is this the place?

• 26:45Speaker 02

  Fucking crazy.

• 26:47Drew Afualo?

  Is this the place?

• 26:48Speaker 02

  But then, tha- no, that's disturbing.

• 26:50Drew Afualo?

  Right, that's what I'm, and I'm like, it's, it's almost like that saying when they're like, clout is a hell of a drug, like fame is a hell of a drug. That's what it is. It's like, it's just this incessant need to be like, oh, I need people to know that I saw this person that many people know.

• 27:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, or that's when, I, like, I'm not, I don't, I'm not famous, I'm, I, but I think I'm known. That's the difference. And bitch, I'd rather not be known. I'd rather be famous. Honestly, I'd rather be famous on planes and not talking to any, like, I.

• 27:17Drew Afualo?

  And you've, you know, you have a lot of really famous friends that are also in traditional talent, so do I. And you know, when we talk to them, they're like, I don't know how you guys do it. Because I've had so- real celebrities tell me, like, that's worse to me because that's like all of the, the view. Like, you have the worldview. Like, people can see you the way that they can see celebrities, but you have none of the protections or the, or the like walls.

• 27:40Speaker 02

  They're also so funny. I was like, the other day, but then they don't, I also sometimes don't realize, we, we operate very differently.

• 27:46Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 27:46Speaker 02

  And like, sometimes like, famous people don't realize how famous they are in certain situations because they're so out of it. JVN once texted me, love them, they were like, oh my gosh, can I, can you, like, I, I would love La Mer, like, I want La Mer. I'm like, girl. They will put you on the PR list in two seconds.

• 28:03Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, are you crazy?

• 28:05Speaker 02

  Like, they were like, I'll do this, I'll do that. I'm like, Jonathan, you're Jonathan Van Ness, bitch. Like, it's so funny. I'm like, but it's, it's the, it's this endearing, it's like, I. I think building relationships in the industry, one with really good people.

• 28:22Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 28:22Speaker 02

  But then also two with people who have a different type of fame.

• 28:25Drew Afualo?

  I agree.

• 28:25Speaker 02

  Like you talk about like non-traditional talent, traditional talent, and then being somewhere in between.

• 28:28Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 28:29Speaker 02

  Is very fascinating. Like we live very different lives.

• 28:32Drew Afualo?

  It's so funny.

• 28:33Speaker 02

  Very different lives.

• 28:34Drew Afualo?

  Because when I go, when I work carpets, right, like when I do carpet interviews, uh, like I, when I did SAG.

• 28:39Speaker 02

  When you host.

• 28:40Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 28:41Speaker 02

  When you keynote hosts carpet interviews.

• 28:43Drew Afualo?

  Period, clock it. When I was hosting SAG, I, like the carpet for SAG, I, I went, like, obviously, I, I got a lot of great people there, which was awesome. And then I went inside, did winner's walk. When I was going inside, the security guy was like, huge fan. I was like, oh, thanks. And I was like, rare to have a, a man be a fan, period.

• 29:00Speaker 02

  I was gonna say, we'll take it. A winner's a win, yeah.

• 29:02Drew Afualo?

  And then there was like a couple of girls working the award show that told me that. There was like a bathroom attendant that told me that. I was like, oh, period. And I was with, uh, one of my girls from InStyle, and she was like, man, everybody knows you. And I go, yeah, I'm in this really weird pocket of fame where like, everybody working the event loves me and everybody attending the event also loves me. Everybody else fucking hates me.

• 29:24Speaker 02

  This is, can you, first of all, clip that. Cause that is the most, second of all, that is, that could not be more, I can give you a perfect example. I'm having, so I got invited to go during Fashion Week to the Michael Kors runway show.

• 29:39Drew Afualo?

  Period.

• 29:39Speaker 02

  Love that team, they're amazing. Um, I, it's a, that show is a traditionally more talent-focused show. Where they invite celebrities to go, especially during their, like, seasonal New York, right?

• 29:50Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 29:50Speaker 02

  So I'm, I'm, I'm having a panic attack, because mind you, this is like one of my big celebrity, and I really wanna make a good impression on these things, anyway. So I go sit down and I am around a bunch of celebrities, and it's one of the first times that I actually felt, not imposter syndrome, but I felt, I am online going, blah, blah, blah, you need this, blah, blah, blah. And they're like getting Oscars. It's a little different.

• 30:15Drew Afualo?

  And you're sitting next to each other?

• 30:16Speaker 02

  Literally, I'm like patting down the sweat with my amazing Huda Beauty setting powder, not sponsored.

• 30:22Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 30:23Speaker 02

  But it's, it's, so then what happened was, I was sitting there and I remember I really wanted to text my dad, cause really, I was really anxious, and I was like, I feel like I'm too in my head. So I remember, as I was pulling out my phone, Kerry Washington like walked right by me. And she went, she sort of stopped, and she went, you. And I was like.

• 30:42Speaker 02

  She was like, "I love you." And then walked away and I was like, "Okay." And then, so I, and then I, I kept going, I had my phone out, so I was like, okay, I was still gonna text my dad. Then Rachel Zegler comes right up.

• 30:53Drew Afualo?

  Love her.

• 30:53Speaker 02

  Same thing, comes up, she goes, "I love your content." And I'm like, "Oh, I'm really in my head."

• 30:59Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 31:00Speaker 02

  I'm like, "Oh, I'm..." But that, but it's different. I'm telling you, it's like, it's to be known and to not see it. I think it causes this very weird.

• 31:10Drew Afualo?

  I agree.

• 31:10Speaker 02

  Belonging, cuz I'm just like, I think also, like you and I, we have very traditional talent. Like, like our opportunities, like we, we have more to offer than just what this creator economy has built. Which I'm really grateful for. Sure you are too. But I think, like, that is something that I always grapple with. Because in this industry, as you know, right? Like, it's like, you have certain opportunities that come to you when you're more traditional talent.

• 31:35Drew Afualo?

  Yep.

• 31:35Speaker 02

  Fashion is one of them, especially if you wanna do luxury.

• 31:38Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 31:38Speaker 02

  Very different than like luxury beauty. That, there's some leeway.

• 31:41Drew Afualo?

  I agree, cuz I'm on luxury beauty.

• 31:43Speaker 02

  There's some gaze and base on those teams, they don't really mind. When it comes to Paris, forget it, you're out. Like, I'm like chopped off that list.

• 31:49Drew Afualo?

  Exactly.

• 31:50Speaker 02

  So then, but, you know what it is, it's, it's, I think then, i- it's this double edged sword. I mean, I know actors who are getting invited to Cannes and who are getting invited to all of these shows, runway shows. They're getting dressed by all the amazing brands. They haven't paid a bill and been able to in weeks because their jobs line up.

• 32:10Drew Afualo?

  That's tea.

• 32:11Speaker 02

  Versus, I know creators that make more than A-list actors.

• 32:14Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that's actually tea.

• 32:15Speaker 02

  It's very interesting.

• 32:16Drew Afualo?

  It is so strange. And, and you worked in the creator economy for so long and behind the scenes. So I'm sure it's a very.

• 32:22Speaker 02

  Oh, it's unbelievable.

• 32:23Drew Afualo?

  Like strange, and it's also another reason why I feel like the natural, like, I don't know, merging of the two worlds. I think is coming down the pipeline, like, and it's one of those things too that we fight against when we do move into spaces with traditional talent. Where sometimes, like, they'll, they'll invite me to the shit, but then they ask me to park cars while I'm there. Like, that's how it feels.

• 32:44Speaker 02

  A hundred percent.

• 32:45Drew Afualo?

  They'll invite me to the shit and then tell me to wait some tables while I'm there, just to kinda help out.

• 32:49Speaker 02

  A hundred percent. Or just like, "Hey, like, here's a phone, make like fifteen TikToks." And you're like, "Oh, I, I don't know if that was in the scope." Like, I'm like. I just, it is, it's, I'm like, as long as like you, Tefi and like Ah Chang are at events, like, I feel more comfortable. Like, I'm not even joking, like, it's a very, I do think, um... I think we occupy a very, and I, and I, I think that's why sometimes when I post more serious content, I actually tend to reach. Serious content when I'm talking about like familial relationships when like kids come out as queer, like serious content when I'm talking about. Worldly issues and political issues, like I do feel like I am actually then making more of that impact and I feel, and what I'm writing, like writing is something that I've done and I have.

• 33:29Drew Afualo?

  And you are such a wonderful writer.

• 33:31Speaker 02

  Thank you. I'm very excited. I have like actual project, like this is the thing, like I have actual projects that are coming out that are.

• 33:36Drew Afualo?

  I'm so excited.

• 33:37Speaker 02

  Honestly, a lot of them independently funded, like I'm not like sometimes it's.

• 33:41Drew Afualo?

  They're passion projects.

• 33:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're passion projects. They're things that I've been wanting to do for a while, but it, I do think it's, there is a little bit of that grass is greener.

• 33:49Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 33:50Speaker 02

  Like of like, what do I want to do?

• 33:51Drew Afualo?

  Absolutely. Well, and it's like, and obviously because you're so stunning and gorgeous, you're like, okay, I'll lean into the beauty stuff, but then I. But I'm much more than a pair of tits.

• 34:00Speaker 02

  I'm much more than a pair of tits and perfectly symmetrical brows, although they're not sisters right now because I'm, I haven't gotten them done. We have a dog. It's, and we just got a puppy. It's really, it's really.

• 34:10Drew Afualo?

  We need to talk about puppy.

• 34:11Speaker 02

  Oh my God.

• 34:12Drew Afualo?

  What's your puppy's name?

• 34:12Speaker 02

  Can I explain to you, Pinto?

• 34:14Drew Afualo?

  Pinto.

• 34:14Speaker 02

  We rescued him from Puerto Rico. And he was four months old. He's lovely. He's really sweet and gentle. He's just nervy on a grande. Like he's the most anxious dog I've ever met in my life. Let me explain to you what happened this morning. He, for the first time ever, peed outside. So he's pee pad trained right now. So the difficulty is when a dog is really anxious outside and really nervous, they have tunnel vision. So we can't really train him. Mind you, we only started to go on walks with him two weeks ago because he's, he will shake and freak out. Now he's, you know, he's sort of gay. It has to happen. I'm like, Mary, we need to get you outside. This, you're not a fucking cat. Like, I'm sorry. So then what we did was we have him do, so then today was the first day and he just, he found his spot and he peed.

• 34:58Speaker 02

  So then we had a little treat party is what it's called. Our trainer said, he was really excited. We got back in. He has to poop. It's fine. There's a pad. He knows where to go. Um, he has a thing for eating feathers. On our, in our apartment, we have a couch that like emits feathers. It's like there's 15 geese in this fucking couch that we bought five years ago. So every once in a while, he'll eat a feather.

• 35:17Drew Afualo?

  I have a, I have a feather couch too. I just got.

• 35:19Speaker 02

  I want to, I want to.

• 35:21Drew Afualo?

  I fucking hate it.

• 35:21Speaker 02

  I want to.

• 35:22Drew Afualo?

  I hate it.

• 35:22Speaker 02

  I want to find, I don't even want to, I want, I don't want to burn it down. I want to find who made it. And I want to show up. And I want to just scare them. I don't want to say too much now, but I want to scare them.

• 35:31Drew Afualo?

  Just a little something.

• 35:32Speaker 02

  I just want to give them a little fright. So they, so then he eats these feathers. So, mind you, if you're not into this, just like mute for a second. His poop is coming out. It's attached to a feather. He looks back because he's like, why isn't it falling out? He jump scares himself, starts.

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• 36:25Speaker 02

  Running around the apartment whipping shit into our CB2 couch, into our restoration hardware table splattered on the wall. Yelping, I'm screaming, my boyfriend's on a work call. He thinks something, he's texting me like, is someone in the apartment? We have rain cameras.

• 36:43Drew Afualo?

  He took a feather and like dipped it in his poop and he's just writing all over.

• 36:45Speaker 02

  And just decided to diary across the apartment. Diary. It was.

• 36:50Drew Afualo?

  Just dragging a paintbrush across your apartment.

• 36:52Speaker 02

  So when I say that the good moments are really good and the bad moments are.

• 36:56Drew Afualo?

  Or so fucking bad you wanna die? I get it.

• 36:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's just really, really, really tough.

• 37:01Drew Afualo?

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• 37:44Drew Afualo?

  Right before I came, literally right before I came here, my same dog, who was having issues a couple of weeks ago.

• 37:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:50Drew Afualo?

  He was, he had issues. I worked all day in LA.

• 37:54Speaker 02

  You fostered, did you say that you fostered?

• 37:56Drew Afualo?

  We fostered, yeah.

• 37:56Speaker 02

  Fostered, okay, yeah.

• 37:57Drew Afualo?

  And my, my deaf baby, uh, we fostered him and kept him. And he was, he's been wonderful. He was a nightmare to crate train, cuz our other dog is crate trained, so we're like, you both have to be crate trained.

• 38:07Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 38:07Drew Afualo?

  He was a nightmare to crate train for a while, but then after, he's perfect now. Now he's perfectly crate trained, which is beautiful.

• 38:13Speaker 02

  Let's be fucking nice, Tree.

• 38:16Speaker 02

  He sleeps in between my thighs.

• 38:17Drew Afualo?

  Every single time someone asks me about a dog, I say crate train your dog. Like, I promise they'll be fine.

• 38:23Speaker 02

  We fucked up.

• 38:24Drew Afualo?

  I promise they'll be fine. And they, they, like, my oldest baby, like, he, he could stay, uh, obviously I'm not leaving him in there for this long, but he could be in that crate for 24 hours and he would not pee or poop.

• 38:35Speaker 02

  The only good thing is that we, when, when Pinto's in bed at like 9 or 10 PM, he'll hold it until like 5:36.

• 38:41Drew Afualo?

  That's nice.

• 38:41Speaker 02

  So it does a little bit of that, but crate train your fucking dog. Doesn't matter how much they whine, they're fine.

• 38:47Drew Afualo?

  They're fine.

• 38:47Speaker 02

  Like, we made the, anyway, sorry.

• 38:48Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, no, you're fine. So I, like, I was at work all day, and so when I came home, there was like new dog beds and stuff, like, on the, like, that my fiance had bought. And I was like, oh my god, are you replacing their, their, like, linens and stuff? And then he goes... Yeah, well, one of us had an accident and I don't wanna say who it was, but it was someone who went to the hospital recently. Cause they were all sitting next to each other and I was like, what happened? So my, my man went to the gym and put them in the crates. He was only gone for like an hour. And they always sleep and we have a little doggy cam that looks at them.

• 39:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, we have like fifteen rings.

• 39:23Drew Afualo?

  And so they just sleep the whole time. And so he said he came back and he didn't look at the camera, cause there was no movement or anything. He said he came back and he took, showed me a video and he had, he had to poop. He had diarrhea.

• 39:33Speaker 02

  Oh, bubba, yeah.

• 39:35Drew Afualo?

  But he put his ass up against the side of the crate and shot it out like a gun. And what's funny is my other dog had stomach issues for a year before we got him to a specialist. He was so crate trained, he did the same exact shit. When he had to shit once, he just stuck his ass on the side, shot it out like a.

• 39:51Speaker 02

  I think they do it on purpose. I don't like one time, literally when we were gone and we didn't have a pee pad.

• 39:59Speaker 02

  Looks into the ring camera and just starts shitting and keeps eye contact. I'm like, you fucking loser. Like, I know you're doing, and then I don't know if you feel this way, when people who haven't rescued a dog and know it and they're like, just take him outside. I'm like, I'm gonna punch you in the fucking neck. I'm gonna punch you in the neck right now. Oh, let me just take him outside. Like, it's really, I will say it is the most, when people say it's the most gratifying experience when you foster and then you take, like, it is, it's, cause we fostered him for like two weeks and we knew it was gonna be tough. But it is the wins.

• 40:33Drew Afualo?

  I agree.

• 40:33Speaker 02

  Are really amazing.

• 40:35Drew Afualo?

  Rehabilitating them.

• 40:36Speaker 02

  Really amazing.

• 40:37Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I agree.

• 40:37Speaker 02

  And he's, like, we don't really, I don't share that much with him. Like, I don't really, we created an Instagram account that Michael was supposed to hone in on. He's not too tech savvy, guys. He was like, how do you reel? And I'm like, I'm, I'm, I need to leave. I need to leave, I need to leave this apartment. So we're not, we're not, we don't share a lot about him. I do on TikTok, I sort of like, I post like pleas of help for people who've had rescues and I'm like, so he won't do this and he won't do this. And a lot of people give advice and it's really sweet. I, it's like solicited, like, I'm like, I just, I would love to know. So, but you know what? It's a journey.

• 41:10Drew Afualo?

  I know, you and I had talked about it. When you first got him too, I told you get a trainer.

• 41:15Speaker 02

  I will, and the thing is, is with the crate training, we're moving soon, so our, our goal is to get him to at least enjoy a new environment. If it's all new, then we can start new.

• 41:24Drew Afualo?

  That is true, yeah, that is true. And I, I had to do that too, even with my dog that when we moved homes, he was already crate trained.

• 41:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 41:31Drew Afualo?

  He did kinda have to re crate train anyways, because like, they're getting used to the new environment. So like, that's good. Also, don't put it in your room. I know, that's what I tell people all the time.

• 41:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, that we've heard, just put it in your living room.

• 41:41Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that's, that's where ours are. And they go behind the couch. When my dog shot at shit out of his ass like a gun. Guess, get this, didn't get on the couch. I was like, was it on the couch? Cause I hate the couch and I wanna replace it. And he goes, no, it missed the couch. I was like, fuck.

• 41:55Speaker 02

  The next thing is you shitting.

• 41:58Speaker 02

  Now I have to shit out of my ass on the couch, so we can get a new restoration hardware couch.

• 42:02Drew Afualo?

  Fucking feather couch.

• 42:04Speaker 02

  No, literally, they are the worst.

• 42:06Drew Afualo?

  I literally, I get poked. Like, I'm like, why am I getting scratched on my own couch?

• 42:12Speaker 02

  No, it's really, really, really bad.

• 42:13Drew Afualo?

  And I loved what it looked like, and I loved, I didn't even get it from, where'd you get yours? CB2? No, I didn't even get it from there.

• 42:19Speaker 02

  Mind you, I love CB2. I just hate this fucking couch.

• 42:21Drew Afualo?

  I just hate feathers.

• 42:23Speaker 02

  I know, I hate it.

• 42:23Drew Afualo?

  I get that. Even my, my dog, well, my first dog, he was allergic. He was having diarrhea, peeing out of his butt for like, what felt like a year.

• 42:32Speaker 02

  Really? It was that bad? Mine just had giardia twice, so they had to go on those meds that make them bite.

• 42:37Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, they.

• 42:38Speaker 02

  It's really scary.

• 42:39Drew Afualo?

  They kept telling me, oh, it must be giardia. I'm like, it's not giardia, he's been tested for that three times. Like, I kept telling them, it's not that. It's not that. I took him to like, three or four different vets. Then I got so sick of them. Because there's also the stigma about Frenchies, which I understand, what are you gonna do? They're already alive, so I have to take them. It's just that they're not supposed to be here, which is true.

• 43:00Drew Afualo?

  So they have all these health issues, which I know.

• 43:02Speaker 02

  Got you, got you, got you.

• 43:03Drew Afualo?

  And so, I felt like every vet I was taking him to forever was like, writing all of it off as like, oh, he's just a Frenchie, he's just gonna do that. I was like, that's just, that's not how it works.

• 43:11Speaker 02

  No, he's, he's peeing shit.

• 43:12Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I was like, there's liquid coming out of his ass. Like, that's not, one time my Frenchie took a shit, like, my first one. He took a shit on the wall. It lit, I heard it go like.

• 43:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:22Drew Afualo?

  Out the back like a parachute.

• 43:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Someone called A twenty four produced that film.

• 43:27Drew Afualo?

  Right, I saw it like spray on the wall like blood like he got shot in the head.

• 43:30Speaker 02

  How long did he have that for?

• 43:32Drew Afualo?

  Like eight or nine months.

• 43:33Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 43:34Drew Afualo?

  And then I couldn't take it anymore, so I I I researched like a Frenchy bulldog specialist, like someone that only works on those dogs. And then I took him there and she looked at him for like ten fifteen minutes and she was like, I think he's allergic to the food. And I was like, I had switched his food like three or four times.

• 43:52Speaker 02

  So you were like, no, it can't be that.

• 43:54Drew Afualo?

  Well, I was like, I have switched this and this and this. And she goes, yeah, but sometimes Frenchies are allergic to protein and they need protein. Didn't know that. When I tell you both my dogs are on a prescribed kibble, it's hydrolyzed protein.

• 44:08Speaker 02

  Oh, I love that.

• 44:09Drew Afualo?

  You can't get it.

• 44:10Speaker 02

  I'm so into that.

• 44:10Drew Afualo?

  You literally need a prescription from a vet to order it because it's that special ordered like.

• 44:16Speaker 02

  Wow, you could get a Birkin before you could get this.

• 44:18Drew Afualo?

  I have to put it on like an auto refill so that it sends to my house every three weeks.

• 44:23Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 44:23Drew Afualo?

  Because it's that hard to get.

• 44:25Speaker 02

  And they're fine now.

• 44:26Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, they're completely. I gave him that first day out like with a little wet food topper. Hasn't had it since. And I was like, oh, imagine all these other fucking people are telling me, because he wasn't just peeing out of his butt, he was also vomiting like he's in The Exorcist.

• 44:38Speaker 02

  Oh, bubba.

• 44:39Drew Afualo?

  When I was explaining it to my vet, the specialist, she goes, well, what kind, is it like regurgitation where they just kind of spit?

• 44:45Speaker 02

  Like, no, it's exorcisms.

• 44:46Drew Afualo?

  Is it like vomit? Right. I said, you know the movie The Exorcist when her head spins around and then it shoots out like black liquid?

• 44:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:53Drew Afualo?

  That's what it is. What do you call that?

• 44:54Speaker 02

  That was me reacting to him doing that.

• 44:56Drew Afualo?

  And he would like, he would sometimes, I bought a brand new rug for our room.

• 45:00Speaker 02

  You'll forget that.

• 45:01Drew Afualo?

  And I was peeing with the door open because he was on his throw up shit at the time. And I heard him start going. And I was like, I was like squid, squid. I was like calling because I couldn't see him. And so I finally like finished and I got up. He was laying on the ground, got up, went on my rug, threw up on it.

• 45:18Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 45:19Drew Afualo?

  Got right off it, laid down.

• 45:19Speaker 02

  Crazy, crazy.

• 45:21Drew Afualo?

  What did I do?

• 45:22Speaker 02

  Net, net, don't get a fucking dog. If you can, if you don't want your entire life ruined. And also, no, like the Giardia was, I've had Giardia, mind you, it's a river disease.

• 45:30Drew Afualo?

  Oh, so, oh, so it's hereditary then, you and your son?

• 45:33Speaker 02

  Completely. Like, I was once at the doctor and they were like, this doesn't happen to humans. I'm like, this makes me feel a lot worse. I don't feel like this is a safe space. I'm not.

• 45:42Drew Afualo?

  You're gonna make me feel better.

• 45:43Speaker 02

  Oh, Drew, anyway, we've been going through it, but everything else is good.

• 45:47Drew Afualo?

  Well, let's talk about work. What are you doing? What are you working on? What's new for you?

• 45:51Speaker 02

  Um, okay, so I'm doing a lot of writing.

• 45:52Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 45:53Speaker 02

  I have two very exciting projects that are, I would say, a little bit in the works. One of them is getting produced soon. What I can say is that one of them is a little bit focused more in the children's book sort of a world.

• 46:06Drew Afualo?

  How exciting.

• 46:07Speaker 02

  And then the other one, um, is more of, um, I love writing affirmations for people. I think they're really important. And I think that it doesn't have to be as difficult.

• 46:17Drew Afualo?

  You're really good at affirmations.

• 46:19Speaker 02

  I think it's really fun.

• 46:20Drew Afualo?

  You post them a lot, too.

• 46:21Speaker 02

  Yes, I wrote a bunch down that I really loved and they're gonna be in physical format pretty soon.

• 46:28Drew Afualo?

  Oh my god, how exciting.

• 46:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm really excited about that.

• 46:31Drew Afualo?

  I got chills.

• 46:32Speaker 02

  I'm really...

• 46:33Drew Afualo?

  I got chills because I'm so happy for you.

• 46:34Speaker 02

  It's just, it's really cold in here. Um, no, I, I, so I'm really excited about that. And I think, like, for me too, I, I have been doing, I've been leaning more into comedy. I'm just like, listen, I'm like, it's just...

• 46:45Drew Afualo?

  Well, you're a funny ass bitch.

• 46:47Speaker 02

  We're funny ass. And I think if I ask a lot of my friends, like, childhood friends, like, because, like, what is, they're like, "You're a comedian." I'm like, "That's disgusting." I'm like, "No, I'm not." But I really do think, like, I think, like, I'm enjoying the opportunity to try out different types of comedy more.

• 47:01Drew Afualo?

  I agree.

• 47:01Speaker 02

  I think that is...

• 47:02Drew Afualo?

  I think you're suited for it, to be honest.

• 47:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, so I think I'm gonna try and explore a little bit more into that world.

• 47:07Drew Afualo?

  And the funniest people have them, like, have a lot of trauma, obviously.

• 47:12Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 47:12Drew Afualo?

  And they're smart as fuck. That's why I was like, that you have both of those things. Look at us.

• 47:16Speaker 02

  I was literally chatting with Alok recently. We went and got breakfast. And they were just like, they were like, "Listen, like, that, like, lean into your humor." I think a lot of people think that, like, to be, like, a person of color, to be queer, non-binary is, like, this doom and gloom world. But I'm like, "We're funnier than you."

• 47:30Drew Afualo?

  No, the funniest people are alive.

• 47:32Speaker 02

  I'm like, "Okay, like, we should just start to show it." And I'm like, "It's just not that serious."

• 47:36Drew Afualo?

  No, never.

• 47:36Speaker 02

  Like, it's really, really, and I, and I don't think it, like, takes us back. I don't think it, like, I don't think to self-deprecate and be funny...

• 47:43Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 47:43Speaker 02

  ...takes us back. Like, I do think it...

• 47:45Drew Afualo?

  I don't think so either.

• 47:45Speaker 02

  No, I just think it's, it's like, they, the other side has been playing this game for a really long time. Like, why can't we? Why can't I be, like, problematically funny and say shit?

• 47:54Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 47:54Speaker 02

  Like, I'm just tired of, of, of feeling like... Like I need to be policed even by people in my own community for doing things. A lot of people have problems sometimes when like I'll make a satirical video about pronouns.

• 48:04Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 48:05Speaker 02

  And make it really ridiculous and a characterization characterization of itself. I'm like bitch, look around. We're we're we're we're cooked. Like this is not gonna be the end of it. Like my pronouns joke is not the reason why.

• 48:16Drew Afualo?

  And why are they allowed to joke about it?

• 48:18Speaker 02

  Whatever.

• 48:18Drew Afualo?

  And well, and also like it, that's one of those things where I feel like you have to factor in good faith.

• 48:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:23Drew Afualo?

  You're literally non-binary. So like you can joke about it if you would like to.

• 48:27Speaker 02

  I'm like, there are days that I'm more he/him. I get it. Like I'm not, I'm not denying that, but I'm also like, it's, I think like when we bring humor into these moments, I think we can also grow ourselves. Like I think I've become a lot stronger in in leaning into comedy. I think people really underestimate how much humor can. People say humor disarms other people and I really think it can disarm yourself. Like I really has taken me far.

• 48:52Drew Afualo?

  Well, and I also, I talked to a loc about this too when they were on my show too, but like, like you were saying, it's not all doom and gloom. Like a a loc was saying, I want to be able to laugh. Like, why do I always have to be?

• 49:04Speaker 02

  Pathetic.

• 49:04Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, prophetic and and like an altruistic, like ally, an activist. Like I am all of those things.

• 49:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:11Drew Afualo?

  I'm also funny as hell. So there's that too. I'm also kind of a slut. There's that too. Like a loc was killing me. I was like, it's true though. It's like, it's the same thing when you talk about media that focuses on marginalized people.

• 49:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:23Drew Afualo?

  It's like, it doesn't always have to be trauma porn.

• 49:26Speaker 02

  No.

• 49:27Drew Afualo?

  Sometimes it could just be a silly rom-com. I mean, you made a thousand for white people.

• 49:31Speaker 02

  A hundred percent. I look at all these like podcasters and this whole sort of like community of um, I think like white creators who've had a lot of success and great, that's awesome. Good for them. But it's like, you know what I mean? I'm like, they'll say shit that I'm like, if I, if I.

• 49:47Drew Afualo?

  Don't even get me started.

• 49:48Speaker 02

  If I said half, like, I think you'll know this because I always say, even when you're with like in event spaces, I think about this all the time. If I behaved the way that some of these white creators, like, and I know, and it's a specific. Number of them that are like in the New York world that I bitch and they'll never be canceled.

• 50:08Drew Afualo?

  Ever.

• 50:09Speaker 02

  They'll get they'll get their rates will go up. Are you kidding? When they get canceled, your rates literally go up. Like, it's very different.

• 50:15Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, our careers are shattered and they're sore. They're sore so far beyond.

• 50:19Speaker 02

  Not only are our careers shattered on this side, then your own community is like, you're a fucking discrib- I'm like, I'm never gonna win. I don't know what to tell you. It's very different. It's really hard.

• 50:28Drew Afualo?

  It's true. I joke about that with my friends sometimes too, where I'm like, if I gave that joke to a white person in this space, oh, they'd sell out Madison Square Garden in my name.

• 50:39Speaker 02

  A hundred percent. All I have to say on camera is, do you ever think that a man could?

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• 51:20Speaker 02

  Laughs, giggles, everyone's dying. Then if I say something that's like actually about you, Miss Sandras, you, and there's men in your community, I'm like, I, I need to be asleep for a week. I need one of those, I need, I need to go to that, that special clinic in Tribeca where they

• 51:37Drew Afualo?

  Oh bitch, I, I literally, I need to go to Arkham Asylum fucking when they do that shit to me.

• 51:42Speaker 02

  I, I'm not going for an influencer rate. I'm not going for a collab. I will pay for that.

• 51:48Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I, I made a joke with my friend Owen on his podcast about Capricorns. I was talking about Capricorns. And I was like, oh, I feel like Capricorns are assholes, whatever. I made a joke about Capricorns.

• 51:58Speaker 02

  Which like?

• 51:59Drew Afualo?

  And then someone commented on the video and was like, you know what? Right? Like they're saying, it's unbelievable that you would, all you ever do is talk about what you hate them. Like just going at me and then literally wrote like, if you have, I know you have trauma with them, but if that's the case, maybe you should go work on it in therapy. Hey bitch, relax.

• 52:19Speaker 02

  I, you should have commented, me if I was a Capricorn.

• 52:23Drew Afualo?

  You just, you know what's funny is this is the most Capricorn thing you could do.

• 52:27Speaker 02

  And that, you know what, I'm at, I'm at that place where I'm like, that's, that's the, that's the response. It is, I, I, what am I, at this point, we're cooked.

• 52:35Drew Afualo?

  I made a joke too, I made this joke about, I made a joke to my friends about straight girls, I'm like, "Well, that's how I know you're straight, because you can't take a joke." I'm gonna laugh because, and I'm, and I'm a straight bitch, and I'm laughing, I made the joke. But I'm like, you see, you should be able to joke about your own marginalizations that you sit at.

• 52:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:53Drew Afualo?

  I don't think there's anything against that.

• 52:55Speaker 02

  Listen, and I always say, the hottest men are the ones who are able to realize, and are able to understand the system versus the person. I feel like we talked about this in the last podcast, it's so different.

• 53:06Drew Afualo?

  It is true.

• 53:07Speaker 02

  And then you know what, if I do say all men, I mean all men, and that's fine.

• 53:10Drew Afualo?

  And maybe I did.

• 53:11Speaker 02

  And maybe I fucking did.

• 53:12Drew Afualo?

  And maybe I meant to.

• 53:13Speaker 02

  And maybe there's one day where like, you, you, there's some guys who are funny and like, you're fine. That's fine too. It can change.

• 53:19Drew Afualo?

  You're just like me, because we've talked, I know we've talked about this, but we've, like, I'll make white people jokes, around white people, just to see.

• 53:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, the best white people love it.

• 53:29Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I wanna see if you care. Let's see if you're cool or not, prove it.

• 53:32Speaker 02

  I'm like, y'all are homophobic 24/7, I'm cackling. I'm like, bitch, I turn that into content, like, you can't take a joke?

• 53:39Drew Afualo?

  That's why, I, I just told Caleb this when I recorded with him, but I like, said on Trixie's channel that I make this joke all the time. It's a running bit I have in my head, where like, when I meet someone who doesn't look anything like me, like, they're not built like me, they're not the same age, or height, or whatever, race. I'll say like, "Well, we're about the same build, so like, where do you shop?" Like, that joke makes me giggle so hard in my head, because I'm like, if I see Sydney Sweeney, I'm gonna say it to her, and she's gonna be offended, and that makes me laugh.

• 54:03Speaker 02

  Oh, you know her publicist's gonna be running into that room.

• 54:06Drew Afualo?

  And then people in the comments, because someone was like, "This was the funniest part of the episode, like, this is the funniest thing that you said." Someone was like, "That's so fucking, like, why would you wanna hurt someone's feelings?" I literally wrote to them, I said, "What's so bad about looking like me?"

• 54:17Speaker 02

  What's so bad about me wanting to hurt someone's feelings?

• 54:19Drew Afualo?

  And I even said to him, like, "That joke makes me laugh on a twofer, because it makes you, it literally forces you to confront your internalized biases."

• 54:28Speaker 02

  Why would you say, why would you think that?

• 54:29Drew Afualo?

  In front of me live.

• 54:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:31Drew Afualo?

  I'm laughing!

• 54:32Speaker 02

  Wild.

• 54:33Drew Afualo?

  Because if someone tested me, I'd be fine.

• 54:34Speaker 02

  Do you stand up?

• 54:36Drew Afualo?

  No. I've done it a few times. I've done a few, well, I say a few. I did one. I have performed live, but it's not the same as stand up.

• 54:43Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 54:44Drew Afualo?

  But that's why I laugh so hard at that joke and then people are like, "Oh, that's so fucked up. That's so..." I was like, "What's so fucked up about looking like me?"

• 54:52Speaker 02

  Yeah. I, I think someone who also does that really well, I think you've had them on your podcast, Bob, Drag Queen. Bob does it, Bob does it really well during stand up. Like, I think there's, again, like, if we're not gonna be the ones to,

• 55:04Speaker 02

  use the content and use whatever humiliation, whatever negativity people try and throw away and like, reverse that.

• 55:11Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 55:11Speaker 02

  I, I don't, I don't, there's no, what is, where is the joy? Like, where is the, like, we can all do this together.

• 55:17Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, let's all laugh.

• 55:18Speaker 02

  A hundred percent.

• 55:20Drew Afualo?

  And you can take a joke like a motherfucker, which is why I love you so much.

• 55:23Speaker 02

  Yeah. I like him, I'm like him really, really brutal too. I'm like, "Listen, I've heard everything under the book."

• 55:28Drew Afualo?

  That's true.

• 55:29Speaker 02

  Get creative bitch. Like, make me laugh.

• 55:31Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, chances are, I might have heard it already.

• 55:34Speaker 02

  Make me laugh and you might just get a little video shot at it. I really, really, it really is.

• 55:38Drew Afualo?

  I, when I was dealing, I, I always deal with awful men on the internet, but one time I had a guy, like, after I got engaged, like, was like, basically saying the only reason that I would have gotten engaged is either he's with me for money, or it's like, um, a shut up ring.

• 55:53Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 55:53Drew Afualo?

  Which everyone's like, "Shut up rings don't look like that."

• 55:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:56Drew Afualo?

  And I said, "Clock it."

• 55:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:57Drew Afualo?

  Uh, but the, when I made a response about it, 'cause I was so, 'cause this dude I have let, I let him live the first time he talked shit on me.

• 56:05Speaker 02

  Okay, so he's a recurring little bitch.

• 56:07Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, when he got too confident and came back, I was like, "Now I gotta fuck you up and this is on you."

• 56:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:11Drew Afualo?

  This is your fault, remember this.

• 56:12Speaker 02

  Gave you a chance.

• 56:13Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 56:13Speaker 02

  Drew gives people chances. I just want that on the record.

• 56:16Drew Afualo?

  At this point.

• 56:16Speaker 02

  Drew gives people chances, at this point. Okay.

• 56:18Drew Afualo?

  And then, when I made a response, I was like, there's a whole myriad of things I could say about this, but I've already talked about it, like, all these stupid excuses you guys make for why I could never be married, whatever, which is clearly not the case anymore. But I was like, one of the things I said, I was like, "Why is it always money that he's with me? What if he's with me for my incredible snatch? Is that not on the table? What if it's purely my body? What if he's objectifying me?

• 56:43Speaker 02

  What if?

• 56:43Drew Afualo?

  What if he's over-sexualizing me and he only, he only sees me as a whole? Now what?

• 56:47Speaker 02

  And you know what? Mind you, let's brainstorm. What, like, like, bring all the, it's really wild.

• 56:52Drew Afualo?

  What if?

• 56:52Speaker 02

  Get creative.

• 56:53Drew Afualo?

  That's why I was like, "What, what if he's using me for my just unbelievably stellar body?"

• 56:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:59Drew Afualo?

  Then what?

• 56:59Speaker 02

  You seen these tits? You look it?

• 57:02Drew Afualo?

  And then I'm like, and then all of a sudden it's not funny anymore.

• 57:04Speaker 02

  They're like, wait, wait, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Then it crosses the line, like, okay, bitch.

• 57:07Drew Afualo?

  That's fucked up.

• 57:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, oh my god, that's really good, though. I really like that.

• 57:12Drew Afualo?

  I do have some fun facts about you.

• 57:13Speaker 02

  Okay, yes, let's do it.

• 57:14Drew Afualo?

  What a fun transition into fun facts.

• 57:16Speaker 02

  Very. I love a good fun fact.

• 57:19Drew Afualo?

  Me too.

• 57:19Speaker 02

  Can I debunk the facts?

• 57:20Drew Afualo?

  Yes, of course you can. We're all about journalistic prowess here, obviously.

• 57:24Speaker 02

  Here, of course.

• 57:25Drew Afualo?

  Okay, right here it says that you were the leader of your college a cappella group called Notorious?

• 57:36Speaker 02

  High school.

• 57:38Drew Afualo?

  High school.

• 57:40Speaker 02

  That's tough.

• 57:41Drew Afualo?

  What are you, an alto, tenor, soprano?

• 57:43Speaker 02

  Um, I was tenor, came out as non-binary, alto. That pipeline really worked for me.

• 57:51Drew Afualo?

  Adam can sing, too, so Adam's funny.

• 57:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, I hit a new range of falsetto.

• 57:55Drew Afualo?

  Okay, gee.

• 57:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was work.

• 57:57Drew Afualo?

  Whenever I get asked, I'm like, I'm an alto, bitch, I'm in the chorus, you already know that about me.

• 58:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:01Drew Afualo?

  I don't want to talk about it. I wish I could sing. You can sing, though.

• 58:05Speaker 02

  I, listen.

• 58:06Drew Afualo?

  I've heard you dabble.

• 58:07Speaker 02

  I can dabble, I can dabble. I, I do think that I've been trying to figure out like how to bring my singing and my music into my content, but every time I film a video, I want to take my phone. I want to shove it so far up, my own. I want to, I want to aggravate my IBS with how much I hate it. I can post an ad.

• 58:29Drew Afualo?

  You get too embarrassed?

• 58:29Speaker 02

  I can post the cringiest ad and it'll be like, whatever, post. Me singing, I have to, I need someone.

• 58:36Drew Afualo?

  No one can see you.

• 58:37Speaker 02

  No, no one can, I can't. So when you do see it, just know that it was a good day.

• 58:43Drew Afualo?

  It took a lot to post it.

• 58:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, just know I either got dick down or I was in a bad mood. So, that's the only way.

• 58:48Drew Afualo?

  That's so real, because I've, I've told you before, and I've said this story a million times, but when they, I got an audition for an animated film, and they asked me if I could sing, I said no. Then they said, perfect, okay, do these lines and then also send us a video of you singing a cappella for one minute.

• 59:04Speaker 02

  One minute?

• 59:05Drew Afualo?

  One minute, bitch. And they said to sing a song, like any song you wanted, but one that, preferably one that most people would know.

• 59:12Speaker 02

  Three, six, five, you go bumping that?

• 59:14Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I sing apple.

• 59:15Speaker 02

  Just a minute. Oh my god, you just do the dance, you don't even sing. That would be perfect.

• 59:20Drew Afualo?

  And then I get cash.

• 59:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're a guest.

• 59:21Drew Afualo?

  Has Carly XCX.

• 59:22Speaker 02

  Dead. Okay, sorry. Okay, you were saying?

• 59:24Drew Afualo?

  Uh, I did the, I couldn't even watch it.

• 59:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, I-

• 59:28Drew Afualo?

  When I was trying to sing, because I asked my cousin who can sing really well.

• 59:31Speaker 02

  Can I watch it? Do you have it?

• 59:33Drew Afualo?

  No, I don't have it. I literally, it's so funny, because I made my cousin record it.

• 59:37Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 59:37Drew Afualo?

  And I said, "Don't show it to me. Just send it to me."

• 59:40Speaker 02

  One and done.

• 59:41Drew Afualo?

  And all I did was attach it to an email and sent it.

• 59:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:44Drew Afualo?

  My mom was like, "I watched it. It wasn't bad." And I was like, "Don't lie to me."

• 59:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, don't-

• 59:48Drew Afualo?

  Don't lie to me.

• 59:49Speaker 02

  But you know what? There is also something very empowering about knowing your strengths and knowing your weaknesses.

• 59:54Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, like, I'm so with you. I could go and like riff for a minute, like on a stage. I could like film an ad and not care.

• 1:00:01Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:00:02Drew Afualo?

  But singing, there's just something about it I can't-

• 1:00:04Speaker 02

  But listen, and I'm delusional. I auditioned, I think I can talk about this now. I auditioned for a role on You for the new season, which was amazing. Didn't get the part.

• 1:00:12Drew Afualo?

  Obviously.

• 1:00:13Speaker 02

  I watched back-

• 1:00:14Drew Afualo?

  I'm like, "Did you see me?"

• 1:00:16Speaker 02

  I watched-

• 1:00:17Drew Afualo?

  It's okay. I auditioned for the live action one and I did not get it either.

• 1:00:19Speaker 02

  Crazy. They'll, they'll come, listen, I, I watched my own self-tape. I was like, "I'm gonna fucking get this part. I'm gonna shoot in New York for three months." I saw the person who had the role and I was like, "Oh, I'm delusional." That's an actor. I was like, I, there's, again, your strengths and your weaknesses. Like, you just know- Yeah, you're gonna be on season five of You. Shut the fuck up. I'm serious. Moron. Love them though. Love Penn.

• 1:00:45Drew Afualo?

  Moron.

• 1:00:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm like, "If you have me, I'll be the rock. I'll be the rug that Penn Badgley steps on."

• 1:00:50Drew Afualo?

  No shit. I literally, every time I send a self-tape, there's just never any dignity in it.

• 1:00:55Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:00:55Drew Afualo?

  Especially when they go, "No, thank you."

• 1:00:58Speaker 02

  Oh, I know.

• 1:00:58Drew Afualo?

  Gotten a few of those. I, you know what's funny is I read for a part on, well, I'll just say it, Euphoria.

• 1:01:05Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:01:06Drew Afualo?

  The new season.

• 1:01:06Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:01:07Drew Afualo?

  The part, the role was a podcast host. In my slate, I literally said, "I'm actually currently the host of two podcasts, so if I don't get this, it's really embarrassing." And guess what? Didn't get it.

• 1:01:20Speaker 02

  You told, you said, you.

• 1:01:22Drew Afualo?

  I did, because I've talked to my other actor friends, I'm sure you've heard this too, about the slates. And I've been like, can you be funny in those or they look in real standard? And Caleb was like, I'm always funny in mine. And I was like, okay T, he's been casting stuff.

• 1:01:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:35Drew Afualo?

  Maybe it was bad advice. But honestly, honestly though, you're so fucking tall.

• 1:01:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:41Drew Afualo?

  And so am I.

• 1:01:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:42Drew Afualo?

  And for some reason, they want us to be five two.

• 1:01:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:46Drew Afualo?

  And the other day I was telling my team, I was like, I think I'm gonna start lying in my slates about how tall I am.

• 1:01:50Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:01:51Drew Afualo?

  And they were like, really?

• 1:01:52Speaker 02

  Wait, did we not talk about this? I agree one hundred percent.

• 1:01:54Drew Afualo?

  Oh my god, okay, let's talk about it.

• 1:01:55Speaker 02

  No, I literally, I got, once I got feedback, we decided to go in another direction. I was like, guys, they didn't want a monster on set. I was like, I was, I literally was like, no, I, I look insane. It was for like a role in drag. Mind you, I would've worn eight inch heels. I was like, this is not fucking Godzilla. I was like, they, they went in a different direction.

• 1:02:11Drew Afualo?

  You with eight inch heels was crazy.

• 1:02:12Speaker 02

  No, it's insane. I genuinely believe this shit.

• 1:02:14Drew Afualo?

  I, I agree. And after I talked to ER Fightmaster, I agree even more. Because ER was telling me, yeah, they'll cast me as, as like a lesbian in a show. And then ER goes, but then it sometimes feels like they're going, okay, well, you're the boy one, so you're, you're, you're bigger. You're the boy one, you're bigger. Cause ER is really tall.

• 1:02:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:32Drew Afualo?

  But then they said when they were in certain scenes, like they'll, they'll put their love interest on boxes. Because they think the height is too tall. But with men, they love it.

• 1:02:41Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 1:02:42Drew Afualo?

  With anyone that's not a man, they're like, too tall scary.

• 1:02:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, too tall scary.

• 1:02:46Drew Afualo?

  Too tall scary. And I told my team, I was like, I think I'm gonna start lying about my height. I'm gonna start saying like, five six.

• 1:02:51Speaker 02

  Men lie about their height all the time on fucking dating apps.

• 1:02:53Drew Afualo?

  Listen, I'm gonna start running down.

• 1:02:54Speaker 02

  Literally.

• 1:02:55Drew Afualo?

  And my team was like, I, I mean, okay, like, they're just entertaining me. And then I go, me just not even considering it's a skill issue, I'm like, it has to be the height.

• 1:03:04Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:03:05Drew Afualo?

  They're not picking me because I'm too tall.

• 1:03:08Speaker 02

  A hundred percent. They went in a different direction. They just didn't want a tall, cute little bitch on set.

• 1:03:13Drew Afualo?

  Oh, clearly they don't want stallions on set.

• 1:03:16Speaker 02

  You can't, you did not perform, mama. The self tape went straight into the self trash.

• 1:03:21Drew Afualo?

  And then the more, you know what, the more celebrities I meet, I'm like, who would I be opposite of a love interest? Unless it's The Rock, and that's my sister.

• 1:03:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, I would do it to like, my, like a multiple personality of myself. Preferably like a mean one. I could do well in that.

• 1:03:37Drew Afualo?

  I was like, you know what, you know what's so funny though, is I was, I panic sometimes about doing romantic scenes in acting. Do you ever think about that?

• 1:03:45Speaker 02

  I do, but I think the opposite.

• 1:03:48Drew Afualo?

  You get excited?

• 1:03:49Speaker 02

  I get really excited, but no, I mean, mind you, Michael and I, I actually said no to certain things that I was like, this also just like, doesn't work and they want me to like, talk in AAV and I'm like, this is not, this is not Gen Z, this is racist. So I'm just like, yeah, this is not right, but there was one role in particular that I was like, I, I can't do that. I was like, I, it's just, there's a certain thing, I'm like, you know, because we're so close with our family, my parents would wa, Michael would watch this, like, this is not happening.

• 1:04:14Drew Afualo?

  I, I-

• 1:04:15Speaker 02

  I'm sorry.

• 1:04:16Drew Afualo?

  And I need you to tell me what it is after.

• 1:04:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, I will, I will.

• 1:04:18Drew Afualo?

  But I, I agree, it's, I was panicking about it just because like, oh man, just disgust me.

• 1:04:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know.

• 1:04:24Drew Afualo?

  And I just get so horrified at the thought of having to kiss one, and I was like, I was, I was having this like, existential crisis about this problem that I do not have, because I have not been cast in anything, but I'm like, oh god, what am I gonna do?

• 1:04:36Speaker 02

  But it's hours spent, of course.

• 1:04:38Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I was like-

• 1:04:38Speaker 02

  How am I gonna, how is, what is my face gonna look like when I go to set the first day? I need to make sure that they know that I'm like, I'm really excited to be here, but, mind you, none of this is happening.

• 1:04:46Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I'm-

• 1:04:46Speaker 02

  None of this is happening.

• 1:04:47Drew Afualo?

  Pre-planning, planning.

• 1:04:48Speaker 02

  No, it's really, I get that too, but you know what, I think that's, that's acting.

• 1:04:52Drew Afualo?

  I think so too.

• 1:04:54Speaker 02

  If you could pull it off, you'd be a delusional-

• 1:04:56Drew Afualo?

  You gotta be delusional till you get it.

• 1:04:57Speaker 02

  I'll stick to acapella, don't mind.

• 1:05:00Drew Afualo?

  You could be the next Pitch Perfect, this next one says, you're a third generation Gemini.

• 1:05:07Drew Afualo?

  I love Geminis.

• 1:05:08Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:05:09Drew Afualo?

  Geminis get a bad rap, but I love them.

• 1:05:10Speaker 02

  You know what, we kinda do it to ourselves, I get it, I think I'm more of my Virgo rising, I do.

• 1:05:15Drew Afualo?

  Right, that's tea.

• 1:05:16Speaker 02

  My moon's in Taurus, it's a whole thing, Michael's a Taurus.

• 1:05:19Drew Afualo?

  I love Tauruses.

• 1:05:20Speaker 02

  I will say, I love Tauruses, I, I, my grandpa was June 1st, my mom is May 28th, I'm June 7th, so between all of us.

• 1:05:28Drew Afualo?

  It's funny, it's not your dad, it's your mom.

• 1:05:30Speaker 02

  Oh, I know, he is, he could not be more of a Virgo, like, he's, it's really actually painful.

• 1:05:35Drew Afualo?

  Me, Hente.

• 1:05:35Speaker 02

  Yes, yes.

• 1:05:36Drew Afualo?

  Me and your dad. It says, in the summer of 2011, you were an assistant stage manager for a small family theater company and produced four shows with them.

• 1:05:47Drew Afualo?

  Amanda's not in here, but Amanda's.

• 1:05:49Speaker 02

  This is cruel.

• 1:05:50Drew Afualo?

  I just read the theater one where they produce.

• 1:05:54Speaker 02

  The Wheelock Family Theater. Shout out to, listen, shout out to the Wheelock Family Theater, community theater is very important, inclusive casting.

• 1:06:01Drew Afualo?

  Love.

• 1:06:02Speaker 02

  They cast it, they did not, when they say they don't see color, they really didn't. They really didn't see color. They, I was, that was where I had my, um, my first, I will say I was in Aladdin, I was in Aladdin, which, you know, kinda shook me to my core a bit. So at least get me Jasmine. I think I was an elf. I don't even think there was an elf in Jasmine, I mean, in Aladdin. Um, but it was a really, really, that is a really crazy fact, because then I did a lot of shows with them and I love them.

• 1:06:28Drew Afualo?

  I love that, I think that's so great. You're like in the, the show Glee. That's you. You were in acapella.

• 1:06:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was in the off, off Broadway version of that one, for sure. Not even off Broadway.

• 1:06:40Drew Afualo?

  You were one of the college campus tour guides called Shield Heads. Is that true?

• 1:06:46Speaker 02

  High school.

• 1:06:47Drew Afualo?

  High school again.

• 1:06:48Speaker 02

  Almost nailed it. I was a really good tour guide.

• 1:06:51Drew Afualo?

  I bet.

• 1:06:51Speaker 02

  I sold the shit out of that elite boarding school. I really did.

• 1:06:56Drew Afualo?

  Why Shield Heads?

• 1:06:57Speaker 02

  I don't know. Does that sound violent?

• 1:06:59Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:00Speaker 02

  Like you show up in armor, yeah.

• 1:07:01Drew Afualo?

  Like the castle or something.

• 1:07:02Speaker 02

  We did have a castle.

• 1:07:03Drew Afualo?

  Oh, well.

• 1:07:04Speaker 02

  We literally ate in a castle. Maybe that's why.

• 1:07:08Speaker 02

  Maybe that was why.

• 1:07:09Drew Afualo?

  Maybe that's why.

• 1:07:10Speaker 02

  I never, yeah, I never knew that. No, you're right, we, my high school, we ate in a castle. You can drag me for that, that's fucking insane.

• 1:07:17Speaker 02

  I don't know, my immigrant parents were like, you're gonna go to an elite boarding school, they sent me to a castle. It's really beautiful though, anyway.

• 1:07:22Drew Afualo?

  Made you funny, so there you go.

• 1:07:24Speaker 02

  Dedham's a great town. Shout out to Dedham, Madison, Houston. Actually, no, don't. I'm like, cut that. Do not. Uh, no, I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

• 1:07:32Drew Afualo?

  Uh, it says you have a bartending certification from Harvard.

• 1:07:36Speaker 02

  I do! You bitches always said I'd never make it to Harvard. I have a certificate mama, mind you.

• 1:07:42Drew Afualo?

  That's crazy.

• 1:07:43Speaker 02

  Framed in my dad's office.

• 1:07:45Drew Afualo?

  You're a mixologist.

• 1:07:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm a mixologist.

• 1:07:47Drew Afualo?

  Look at you. You do be making cute little drinks.

• 1:07:50Speaker 02

  I do, but I did lie before I got it. There was this like sugar daddy in New York when I moved here. Who wanted to just hire me to like do private parties in his penthouse. I would get tipped amazingly. And then when I started to get like noticed in the bartending scene, I had to get my certification.

• 1:08:04Drew Afualo?

  Okay.

• 1:08:04Speaker 02

  So I decided, why not go to Harvard?

• 1:08:05Drew Afualo?

  Working at the table in the beginning?

• 1:08:06Speaker 02

  What, like it's hard? It actually was. It was really stressful.

• 1:08:09Drew Afualo?

  Do you like being a mixologist?

• 1:08:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, but if you ask me to make a mojito, I'm gonna fucking punch you in the face. There are some drinks that I'd be like, we're out. They're like a vodka, I'm like, yeah, for you bitch. Sorry, it's violent, but like it's really, like get a beer. And you know me.

• 1:08:26Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:27Speaker 02

  Great, easy. I do love to make a Cosmo. I can make a really good Cosmo.

• 1:08:30Drew Afualo?

  I bet.

• 1:08:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, but the most important thing is getting, um, cold pressed juice. Cause you can't really fresh squeeze cranberries.

• 1:08:37Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:38Speaker 02

  Cold pressed at Whole Foods, they have a great one.

• 1:08:40Drew Afualo?

  Okay, T, look at you. Uh, you can speak four languages. Uh, this I actually did know.

• 1:08:45Speaker 02

  I can speak four languages.

• 1:08:46Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, English, Farsi, French, and Spanish.

• 1:08:49Speaker 02

  Yes, all of them almost fluently.

• 1:08:53Drew Afualo?

  One of my really good friends from high school, she, Farsi was her first language.

• 1:08:57Speaker 02

  Oh, period.

• 1:08:57Drew Afualo?

  And so then she started speaking, obviously her parents never talked to her in English, but like, I remember one time I spoke to someone who's Persian and they were saying like, oh, it's, it's like in my native tongue. I was like, oh, is it Farsi? And they were like, oh my god, yeah. And they were like, nobody ever knows that language.

• 1:09:12Speaker 02

  Nobody ever knows that. That's great though. My, I learned French by accident though. Like my parents used to talk shit about us in French because we didn't understand it. And then when we learned it, we were like, now what? Now what? Cause we knew Farsi.

• 1:09:24Drew Afualo?

  Cause I know your dad went to art school in France.

• 1:09:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, my parents, my mom went to graphic design, traditional. My dad went to an architectural art school. They met, and so we have a lot like of ties to France.

• 1:09:34Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:35Speaker 02

  Then they moved to the States, we learned Farsi, English, and then French, and then Spanish. Cause I was like, why the fuck not? I was like making it into those Ivy League.

• 1:09:45Drew Afualo?

  One way or another.

• 1:09:46Speaker 02

  Never did, yeah. Except for for bartending. Made it either way.

• 1:09:50Drew Afualo?

  That's funny, I I speak Spanish too. I told people before, I speak better Spanish than I do someone. Which is just crazy to think about, but that's just because someone's a lot less accessible.

• 1:10:01Speaker 02

  There's also like words that don't that don't translate well into English.

• 1:10:05Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:06Speaker 02

  Like, for example, guzam beri shit is like when someone does something that's um, you know, naughty or whatever. You see guzam beri shit or like, you know, you cut. It translates to my fart to your mustache.

• 1:10:20Speaker 02

  Literally.

• 1:10:21Drew Afualo?

  Well, you aren't supposed to be doing that, so I guess it's literally translated.

• 1:10:24Speaker 02

  That's what I'm saying. So it's it's the language is very interesting. Sometimes I prefer, except when I'm angry, my Farsi is fluent.

• 1:10:31Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it's also like, it's almost like every language other than English is so beautiful. And poetic and prophetic in the way it describes things like, even like someone language. They speak in proverbs and prophecies a lot too, and they're so beautiful when you translate them.

• 1:10:47Speaker 02

  I'm like, y'all were etching into caves. We had empires.

• 1:10:50Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:51Speaker 02

  And mind you, Farsi, there's no gender pronouns. There's only they/them. There's no word for she or he, so everybody's they/them.

• 1:10:57Drew Afualo?

  Period.

• 1:10:58Speaker 02

  That's why I'm like, everybody's like, oh, your parents must have been tough. I'm like, they just kept speaking. I'm like, they didn't have to bring the pronoun, they just kept saying it in Farsi.

• 1:11:06Drew Afualo?

  They said, okay.

• 1:11:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know.

• 1:11:08Drew Afualo?

  What about the Ivy League?

• 1:11:09Speaker 02

  No, literally. Yeah, literally.

• 1:11:11Drew Afualo?

  Okay.

• 1:11:12Speaker 02

  Priorities.

• 1:11:13Drew Afualo?

  And then the last fun fact is you performed in the musical Rent at your college in 2014.

• 1:11:19Speaker 02

  I did and I was angel.

• 1:11:22Drew Afualo?

  How exciting.

• 1:11:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was really good. That was a hi- that was a highlight of like my performing career.

• 1:11:26Drew Afualo?

  Okay, well, tell me again, you can't sing.

• 1:11:28Speaker 02

  It was, it was a moment. It was a moment.

• 1:11:30Drew Afualo?

  I bet. I I'm, you are so talented, it makes me sick to my stomach.

• 1:11:35Speaker 02

  Oh, my god, can we clip that?

• 1:11:37Drew Afualo?

  It's true. It's true. And I sing your praises all the time, but that also reminds me too, I recorded with Cynthia Revo. And she's also, I know it's not nuts, it comes out in a few weeks, but I want to tell you.

• 1:11:51Drew Afualo?

  She reminds me a lot of you. Because she has so many fucking talents, it's like insane. Which you would think would be obvious, but it's not. Like the shit she does is like, that's how I feel talking to you. I'm like, oh, of course you're gonna do that.

• 1:12:07Speaker 02

  I'm in a very, I'm sweating a lot right now because to compare me, to put me in that same world. No, I always say there's two, I have two prized possessions. You can't see it now, but when this turns hot, my doorman bought this for us in Dominican Republic. It's photos of me and Michael, so when you put boiled water in it.

• 1:12:23Drew Afualo?

  Cute.

• 1:12:24Speaker 02

  This will make sense in a second. So one prized possession, like if there was a fire in our apartment, I would throw these in my Birkin. And like, fuck Birkins. And then a signed poster of Cynthia Revo.

• 1:12:34Drew Afualo?

  Really?

• 1:12:35Speaker 02

  From when she was on Color Purple for her nine month run. I think it was nine months or a year.

• 1:12:39Drew Afualo?

  Oh yeah, when she won her Tony, I'm very familiar.

• 1:12:42Speaker 02

  It's one of those things where like, to be in the presence of that level of greatness.

• 1:12:47Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:12:48Speaker 02

  Is something that is, is...

• 1:12:50Drew Afualo?

  And I didn't even know you loved her like that.

• 1:12:52Speaker 02

  No, I, I, yeah.

• 1:12:53Drew Afualo?

  You just remind me a lot of her. And it's so real. And whenever, when you y'all meet, because I know you will. If, if, come hell or high water, if I have to do it myself, I'll make sure.

• 1:13:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:03Drew Afualo?

  But you remind me a lot of her because you have so many fucking talents. So it's just like, it's kind of like every day you wake up and you're like, what am I gonna master today?

• 1:13:10Speaker 02

  Oh my goodness. I'm like, listen, then today I mastered a little bit of anxiety. So it's, the world's your oyster. Just go out and do what you do best. But I will, hopefully I'm manifesting meeting her.

• 1:13:21Drew Afualo?

  Oh, yeah, I'll make sure it happens. No need to manifest, you told me. So I'll, I'll, I'll put it into the universe. And by that I mean her team's hands.

• 1:13:28Speaker 02

  Thank you, thank you. That might take some time. They're busy, they're both too busy.

• 1:13:33Drew Afualo?

  Do you have, I love you. Do you have anything else you want to promote or talk about?

• 1:13:37Speaker 02

  Um, I would like to say that, no, I'm just happy to be here. You know what, actually, shout out to my real estate agent, Jordan at Next Step Realty. Great guy. He does a lot of really good work. And we've worked with him for seven years. If you're in New York and you need a great real estate agent, hit up Next Step Realty.

• 1:14:00Drew Afualo?

  You.

• 1:14:03Speaker 02

  That's all.

• 1:14:04Drew Afualo?

  I fucking love you.

• 1:14:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:14:06Drew Afualo?

  You're the best.

• 1:14:06Speaker 02

  Love you more.

• 1:14:06Drew Afualo?

  And I, I think you're, I, I, obviously, I'll, I'll jerk you off all day till the cows come home. But I genuinely am so grateful to have met you.

• 1:14:15Speaker 02

  The feeling is-

• 1:14:15Drew Afualo?

  You've made me a better person.

• 1:14:16Speaker 02

  The feeling is very abundantly mutual.

• 1:14:18Drew Afualo?

  And I love you. It feels like we see each other all the time. And this is the first time we've seen each other since Christian Siriano, I think, last year.

• 1:14:25Speaker 02

  Which is crazy.

• 1:14:26Drew Afualo?

  Which was crazy.

• 1:14:27Speaker 02

  Crazy.

• 1:14:27Drew Afualo?

  You and I being there was crazy.

• 1:14:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I also, like, you guys, I, I will manically FaceTime. There's two people that I-

• 1:14:33Drew Afualo?

  That's true, we do talk on the phone a lot.

• 1:14:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, but then there's sometimes when, like, I don't expect anyone to pick up. Like, Taffy has blocked me. She has two numbers on one of them, and not even because my number's new.

• 1:14:41Drew Afualo?

  No.

• 1:14:41Speaker 02

  I'm like, she, it's like, literally Drew and Taffy, that if I'm like, "Shake it, banana!" "I'm having a mental breakdown." One of the two, it's like, either Drew or Taffy, anyway.

• 1:14:51Drew Afualo?

  Or sometimes we'll just text each other, and I'll text, she'll be like, "Bitch." And you're like, "Call me in five."

• 1:14:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know. It's like, because you guys, it's so funny, you guys, you, not you guys, but you guys out there think that, like, we don't see shit, like, on TikTok or things that go around.

• 1:15:05Drew Afualo?

  Oh, baby.

• 1:15:06Speaker 02

  Just know that we're here for each other and we support each other.

• 1:15:09Drew Afualo?

  Trust me when I say, we're the, we're on the ground floor, unfortunately, but fortunately.

• 1:15:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:15:14Drew Afualo?

  Well, I fucking love you.

• 1:15:16Speaker 02

  Love you.

• 1:15:16Drew Afualo?

  I'm so glad you got to come back.

• 1:15:17Speaker 02

  Thank you so much for having me.

• 1:15:18Drew Afualo?

  And I'm glad I got to come to your fucking city this time, so we can record together.

• 1:15:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, this was very fun.

• 1:15:22Drew Afualo?

  I love you.

• 1:15:23Speaker 02

  Love you too.

• 1:15:23Drew Afualo?

  I hope, tell Michael and Pinto I love them as well.

• 1:15:25Speaker 02

  I will.

• 1:15:26Drew Afualo?

  I'm rooting for y'all through this newborn phase.

• 1:15:29Speaker 02

  We'll be sending more updates. Hopefully no more Giardia, enough of that shit.

• 1:15:33Drew Afualo?

  Oh, yeah, you're like, okay, three times good.

• 1:15:34Speaker 02

  Literally, three times is the charm.

• 1:15:37Drew Afualo?

  Thank you all so much for tuning into this episode of the comment section. Thank you so much to my amazing guest, Seruus. Where can everybody find you?

• 1:15:44Speaker 02

  You can find me on Instagram, TikTok, Snapchat, YouTube-

• 1:15:49Drew Afualo?

  Okay.

• 1:15:49Speaker 02

  Substack, at Seruus, Face C C Y R U S V E Y S S I. And slide into my DMs, we'll have some fun.

• 1:15:55Drew Afualo?

  Seruus is the funniest and sweetest, and also the beauty recs out of control.

• 1:16:00Speaker 02

  Oh, yes.

• 1:16:01Drew Afualo?

  I trust your beauty recs like my life depends on it.

• 1:16:03Speaker 02

  I will, do you know what's so crazy? I will respond to a DM about, like, a beauty question sometimes, more than like, someone who needs, like, serious help about something.

• 1:16:13Speaker 02

  Be like, I can tell you about like the La Mer moisturizing soft cream that I wear.

• 1:16:17Drew Afualo?

  Are you in your best I can do?

• 1:16:19Speaker 02

  Best I can do is La Mer. Yeah, when in doubt, don't lament, La Mer.

• 1:16:25Speaker 02

  So, anyway.

• 1:16:26Drew Afualo?

  I love you. You're the best.

• 1:16:27Speaker 02

  Love you. Thanks for having me.

• 1:16:28Drew Afualo?

  Thank you all so much for joining us. And don't forget, new episodes of the comment section drop every Wednesday. You can stream the audio on all streaming platforms and the video list for free and exclusively on our favorite platforms, Spotify. Thank you so much to my amazing guests, Terese. Thank you so much for watching and I'll see you next week. Bye.

• 1:16:42Speaker 02

  Bye.