The Power of Community for Transformation

100 EPISODES! Wow. I can't believe how amazing this podcast journey has been. Over the last week, I have been flooded with inquiries on social media – so who is going to be the special guest for the big episode 100? A lot of speculation. Big names getting thrown around with anticipatory question marks. I understand the appeal. But this landmark has me sentimental. Thinking a lot about what was going on in my life when I made the decision to start this show. And when perceived through this lens, there is only one person appropriate to sit across from me for 100 — the same person who sat across from me for #1. Julie Piatt. The wheel turns. We come full circle. Revisit. Reflect. Give thanks. And move forward. So much has changed since November 2012 when the show launched. To take a quantum leap forward, we must connect with and better understand the past. So I went back and listened to that very first offering — for the first time since I recorded it. Admittedly rough. Unpolished. Nervous energy, echo chamber audio and uncertainty converging in a vacant warehouse on an organic farm on the north shore of Kauai. Just me, Julie, a couple really bad mics and no expectations or idea as to where this leap would land. And yet I was dumbstruck by just how much the show has stayed true to the seed I planted that day. I vividly recall that day. My son Tyler and my nephew Harrison jerry-rigging their musical equipment to manage the audio. I remember the theme music they wrote and recorded in the warehouse just hours before the first show — a riff they came up without much thought and always intended as “temp” until they wrote something better. Julie and I sitting across from each other, wondering just what we might talk about. Two years later and I'm astonished at just how little has changed. Today Ty (who is now my producer and the guy behind all the show music) and Harrison strummed guitars and checked audio levels as I set up in our garage. That temp theme music still begins each episode. And Julie and I still stare across at each other before every show we do together, wondering just what the conversation might bring. But what really struck me about that first episode is that my improvised introduction and meandering thoughts, words, intentions and aspirations for what the show might become mirror exactly what the show has indeed become 100 episodes and hundreds of recorded hours later — compelling long-form conversations with inspiring, paradigm busting minds and personalities in health, wellness, nutrition, fitness, entrepreneurship, creativity and spirituality with one singular goal – to help you discover, uncover, unlock and unleash your best, most authentic self. Although I know I have gotten better at this, I still consider myself rather amateur behind the mic. But I’m proud of the show we’ve built. A show that has promoted dialog around new ideas. A toolbox of inspiration and education for transcending your circumstances. A platform for unlocking your inner potential – in whatever form that may be – by introducing and discussing new (sometimes controversial or fringe) ideas with the hope that you will take what resonates with you and not only use it, but share it. The Power of Community I send the show out into the ether every week. But it's you, the audience, who has taken what alone is nothing more than an inert digital file comprised of ones and zeroes — and fertilized it. A seed you have fostered into something much bigger and more important than a simple weekly .mp3. Something remarkable: Community. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Rich Roll?

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• 1:10Rich Roll?

  Welcome to the Rich Roll Podcast, episode 100, 100 episodes! I can't believe it. Today, we're joined by Julie Pyatt.

• 1:27Rich Roll?

  The Rich Roll Podcast. Hey, people. My name is Rich Roll. Welcome to my podcast, the Rich Roll Podcast. Thanks for stopping by. Episode 100. I can't believe it. It's been an amazing journey. It's been a long road, and I couldn't be more pleased and happier to be coming at you for the 100th time. If you're new to the show, what do we do here? Well, each week, I bring to you the best, most forward-thinking paradigm busting minds in wellness, fitness, athleticism, nutrition, diet, spirituality, creativity. What else? Entrepreneurship with one goal in mind: to help you unlock and unleash your best, most

• 2:11Rich Roll?

  authentic self. So here we are today. Episode 100. Julie?

• 2:18Julie Piatt?

  Rich Roll.

• 2:20Rich Roll?

  You were laid on the mic there.

• 2:21Julie Piatt?

  You told me to sit out while you did that thing. Like, you're not in this part. You're not in this part, so sit back.

• 2:27Rich Roll?

  A lot of anticipation about who's gonna be the 100th guest? Who are you gonna have on on like Facebook and Twitter and stuff like that?

• 2:34Julie Piatt?

  I hope they're not disappointed.

• 2:35Rich Roll?

  I hope it's this person, I hope it's that person. And to me, it's like, yeah, it would be cool to get some super fancy guest for episode 100, but, but, you know, this is a moment of reflection, right? To me, it means like, alright, well, let's like, look back on the journey that got us here, and let's take it full circle, all the way back to episode one.

• 2:54Julie Piatt?

  Well, I'm honored that you invited me to be the 100th guest. I hope I live up to everyone's expectations.

• 3:02Rich Roll?

  Right. Is it Scott Jerk? Is it Brendan Fraser? Who's it gonna be? No, it's my wife again.

• 3:06Julie Piatt?

  It's the person who's sleeping with Rich Roll.

• 3:08Rich Roll?

  Yeah, and episode one was just you and I sitting in a warehouse.

• 3:12Julie Piatt?

  Wow.

• 3:13Rich Roll?

  Banging it out. And before we get into kind of what we're gonna talk about today, I wanted to just quickly say that, that we have some exciting stuff happening right now. Our app, the Rich Roll Podcast app, just launched.

• 3:27Julie Piatt?

  Amazing, exciting.

• 3:29Rich Roll?

  Yesterday, which is super cool. And people are like, well, why do you need an app? Like, most people listen to the podcast on iTunes or Stitcher or one of these other podcast aggregators. They don't, they don't necessarily go to my website and click the play button. They get it, you know, on their mobile device or wherever. And if you're accessing the show that way, you know full well that you can only listen to the most recent 50 episodes. And now we're at 100, which means half of the catalog is inaccessible in the palm of your hand. So, we came up with this app. It's our answer to that question and that demand. And what it is, is it's totally free.

• 4:11Rich Roll?

  It's for iOS only, so you can use it on your iPhone or your iPad. If there's enough demand, we'll develop an Android version, but right now, it's just for iOS users. And it's completely free. And this version one is really just a podcast player, and it allows you to easily access the entire catalog of shows, all the way back to episode one. Super simple, you just scroll down and go to the bottom, and there it is. And so that way, people can be on the treadmill or in the car or wherever, and easily go back to Our earlier days, you know, because the audience has grown so much, I'm sure there's a lot of people out there that haven't listened to any of those episodes. So it's pretty cool.

• 4:51Julie Piatt?

  Be interesting to listen to this one and then go back to the first one.

• 4:54Rich Roll?

  Well, that's what I was getting to because actually that was the first thing that I did when I, when the app went live is I, I went back and listened to episode one.

• 5:03Julie Piatt?

  How was it?

• 5:04Rich Roll?

  It was very.

• 5:05Julie Piatt?

  Was it rough?

• 5:06Rich Roll?

  It was interesting. It was a little rough. Yeah. I mean, you know, I prefaced it by saying, look, I don't know what I'm doing. You know, we were in a warehouse in Hawaii. It's super echoey and my diction is bad. I, I'm stumbling over my words and you know, it wasn't exactly as polished, it's not, not nearly as polished as it is now, but it's the same tone and the, and the same vibe. And it was interesting to go back and hear and go, oh, I kind of still do the same intro now that, that I did then, just off the cuff. That's really become the theme and the touchdown of the show, which is kind of accessing your most authentic self. And, and at the time I had no idea what the show would become. We were just starting, but I said very clearly, like, this is not a triathlon training podcast.

• 5:51Rich Roll?

  This isn't going to be about how to get six pack abs. This is about something bigger. This is about long form conversations with inspiring people who come from all different walks of life and bring all sorts of different ideas to the table so that we can get, you know, a broad spectrum of knowledge and tools and inspiration that you can take or leave, depending upon what resonates with you, with the goal in mind of trying to access a better, more authentic version of yourself. Right? And that, and I said it then, and that's still how we open the show, which is sort of cool because at that time, you know, it could have developed into something completely different, but it's really stayed tried and true to those roots.

• 6:28Julie Piatt?

  You were more tapped in than you knew.

• 6:30Rich Roll?

  Yeah, maybe. I don't know.

• 6:31Julie Piatt?

  That's right.

• 6:32Rich Roll?

  I definitely, I, not that I know what I'm doing now. I don't proclaim to be an expert at this. You know, we're in our garage. We have the, it's a beautiful day. It's hot out. We have the, the garage door rolled open. There's a breeze blowing through here and it's making noise. And, you know, it's not exactly like we're in a hermetically sealed radio studio. And I like it that way. You know, you can hear the motorcycle Saturday morning.

• 6:53Julie Piatt?

  Here comes one right now.

• 6:54Rich Roll?

  Exactly. Yeah. Whenever we record a podcast on Saturday morning, it's just a, a plethora of motorcycles driving by. And this is going to post tomorrow. Usually, you know, I record the episodes with the guests well in advance of posting, but this is really going to go up right after we. Complete this conversation essentially.

• 7:12Julie Piatt?

  It's exciting.

• 7:22Rich Roll?

  So back to the app. So the app, eventually, we're gonna create future iterations of that that will have premium upgrade content, like recipes and videos and stuff like that, that you'll only be able to access through the app. And you'll have to sort of upgrade to get the earlier episodes of the show. But right now, it's totally free. You can listen to all the shows. So get it while it's free and tap into all those earlier episodes and hear the evolution of the show, I suppose, right?

• 7:55Julie Piatt?

  It's great. And all that came about because we received the support of a community member, actually a podcast fan, right? Who?

• 8:02Rich Roll?

  Yeah, that's right. I mean, you know, today's theme, you know, Julie and I talked ahead of time about what we wanted to share on this 100th episode. And I think community is a great subject matter to delve into and kind of go deep into. And we're gonna, we're gonna do that in a little bit. But yeah, it started when, you know, our family, we were going through a bit of a rough patch, or I would say, a time of relative uncertainty about what our future held. You know, I had sort of done the book tour thing. The book had run, not really run its course, but the sort of early stages of kind of getting the book out there had been, that chapter was kind of over. And it was about, well, what's next?

• 8:46Rich Roll?

  And, and we weren't sure, you know, what we were gonna be doing. We weren't sure we were going to be able to stay in our home. We were actually entertaining the possibility of moving out of Los Angeles and living somewhere else, like Austin or Asheville, North Carolina. And we got a call from somebody that I had met, who was a fan of the book, who, who happened to live in Hawaii and was working on some interesting business ideas, and invited our family to come out and live on the North Shore of Kauai on his property, on his piece of land, which is a working, organic farm called Common Ground. And so that's what we did. For three months, we relocated and lived in these yurts.

• 9:28Rich Roll?

  And it was an amazing experience. And I think sort of being on island and a little bit kind of disconnected from mainstream society had a lot of pluses in terms of creating a crucible for self-reflection and slowing things down enough where we could kind of get in touch with what we wanted our mission to be, good or bad. And there's a lot that came out of that experience. I mean, when we went there, we thought maybe we were just going to be there forever, or maybe just come back and move our house out and move back to Hawaii. We didn't know what we were doing. But the podcast was really born out of a desire to connect and create community. I think I was feeling, you know, I'm used to being in the flow of life. Like, I like to go to New York City. I like, you

• 10:13Rich Roll?

  know, being connected to people. And I was feeling a little bit disconnected out there and had always been interested in starting a podcast. And I think the timing was just right, where the motivation and the willingness kind of converged to make me sit down and figure out, how exactly do you, you know, do this on a, you know, sort of tactile logistical way and get an episode up.

• 10:36Julie Piatt?

  No, it definitely, it provided the space for us to do it. And, but energetically, Kauai was always an extremely dear place to me. And I felt that energy connected to the place where we lived, to Jai, over many, many, many years. And so if you pull back and look at it, I feel like, of course, we started the podcast there and we were able to infuse it with a beautiful healing energy that's very, very powerful that comes from that sacred land. And I don't think it's an accident, of course, as I don't feel anything in my life is an accident. But I think it was a beautiful little reprieve that we had

• 11:17Julie Piatt?

  because we had experienced a tremendous amount of stress and pressure. And I call it this friction of alchemy when you're having transformation, that, you know, a constant grinding on your energy field. Where some days you almost feel like you can't take it anymore. But you have to remind yourself that there's something in the friction. You need the friction for the transformation. So if you're feeling, you know, the stress, or you're feeling the pressure, or the energy, you can remind yourself that you're about to undergo a transformation and that that exact process is necessary, or the transformation would not be possible.

• 11:58Julie Piatt?

  So I feel like we were brought to Kauai in very loving arms and set up for a few months to kind of recover a little bit and also to anchor the energy of this podcast. And that was all done through the guidance and support and community of Chris Jabe and Common Ground.

• 12:19Rich Roll?

  Yeah, for sure. And, you know, it's easy to forget the amount of pressure that we were under at the time. And I don't think that at that time, we could have foreseen where we're sitting now. You know, I think that we both had a sense that, that we had a purpose in this sort of plant power, evolution, revolution movement, and plenty of things to say, and a healing energy, and a willingness, and a desire, and a capability of connecting with people and, and serving in a way to inspire and educate. But I don't think we could, we couldn't foresee the specifics of what that would be. And, you know, sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees.

• 13:02Rich Roll?

  And at the time, we were under unbelievable financial pressure. You know, we were, we were on the precipice of, you know.

• 13:08Julie Piatt?

  Like when you say we were entertaining relocating, we were, we were seeing what was going to happen to us. It's not like we weren't.

• 13:16Rich Roll?

  Yeah, it wasn't like we were having, we had a lot of choice.

• 13:18Julie Piatt?

  We were like, oh, I think I'll move to, you know, it was kind of got to that point where it was like, we have no option.

• 13:23Rich Roll?

  We were in a, we were in a dire situation financially, and we weren't sure what we were going to do, or how we were going to see our way out of it. And we had to, there were only so many things in the kind of tactile world that we could do to get our house in order. And beyond that, it was really a process of.

• 13:41Rich Roll?

  Having to, you know, be in that canoe without a paddle and live in faith and pay attention to the universe and, you know, try to make the next best choice and trust that, you know, somehow we're going to see our way through this and be taken care of.

• 13:56Julie Piatt?

  But we actually-

• 13:56Rich Roll?

  And it was very, very challenging.

• 13:57Julie Piatt?

  But we, and even we didn't actually make the choice, the choice was offered to us. So I remember Saul Ray calling me and hiring me to chef for his Thai Massage Yoga Teacher Training Retreat in, in Santa Barbara. And I had had this deep conviction all of my life, all the 10 years that we've been at this house, that I was going to create this healing center here and a place for children. And I felt it in my bones and I knew it. And yet, all outward appearances were to the complete contrary. So I, we felt we were at the end of the road. Saul Ray called and, and hired me. And I remember leaving for Santa Barbara, and it was actually Ojai, and saying to you, when I was out the

• 14:41Julie Piatt?

  door, "There is no way that we are being moved from this house without an opportunity being presented." I said, "There's just, it's not possible. It's not possible with the level of commitment we've given with our heart and soul." And so I left and I went to cook for Saul. And I just said to myself, I was in the kitchen, and I said, "Okay, I'm out of, I'm out of vision, I'm out of ideas of knowing what is right for me. And so I am going to serve to the maximum potential of my being in the kitchen this week." And that's what I did. I just dived into the recipes and I fully served. And

• 15:22Julie Piatt?

  something was with me because some of the retreat participants were opting out of their classes to stay with me in the kitchen. And literally, everything I was making, people were weeping and saying, "This is the best thing I've ever tasted before." And I really think that that came out of my devotion and my commitment to serve. Like, I just was on my knees and I said, "Use me as a channel and I'm just serving and that's all I'm doing." And I remember you sending me an email or a text- Saying, "Check your email." And that was during that retreat that I read the email from Chris Jade that said, "I read Finding Ultra and I want to talk to you and Julia about an email that she sent me four years ago."

• 16:04Julie Piatt?

  And he was in our house 10 days later and we were on our way to Kauai.

• 16:08Rich Roll?

  Suddenly we were living in a yurt. Yeah, I know. It was, it all happened like super fast. It was, it was completely surreal. But yeah, service is always the solution, you know? It's always the way out of your head and your own personal drama. And that's the first thing that you learn in sobriety and in recovery is that when you're caught up in your own head, in your own little problems, in your own little world, and you can't see your way out of it, the solution is to pick up the phone and call an alcoholic who has one day of sobriety, or two days of sobriety, or anybody else who might be suffering and try to offer a hand and help that person out.

• 16:49Rich Roll?

  And every single time that I've ever done that, that has, usually it helps me more than the other person. You stay detached from the results of whatever you're offering. But just to give of yourself selflessly is almost, you're giving yourself selflessly, but there's also kind of a selfish aspect to it because if you want to stay sober, you have to do that. And if you want to solve your problems, service is the solution. So it's almost like there's a selfish selflessness to it, I suppose. But, but you know, the bottom line, like the takeaway is if you're going through a hard time and you're suffering, or you're feeling like you're a victim, or whatever the condition is, just go help someone else out.

• 17:33Rich Roll?

  It doesn't, and it doesn't mean you have to go to a soup kitchen all day. It can be something simple. It's like looking somebody in the eye at the, you know, the register at the grocery store and saying hello and asking them how their day is and like meaning it, or just something simple, just to get out of your own self and invest yourself in somebody else in this weird spiritual equation. That's always the solution.

• 17:56Julie Piatt?

  It is, and I feel that in instances where like you have a dream that's been seemingly taken away, you know, then suddenly that's not an option, whatever it is in your life. At that point, that it's gone, it's like, for me, I had my attention on this house and on this community that I was going to build at this house. And then when I got to that point in the road, that that was, it was clear, at least clear at the time, that it looked like chances were that was not going to be happening, I suddenly was completely empty, even though I had had a worthy mission. And even though I will, in fact, realize that now, and we'll talk more about that.

• 18:39Julie Piatt?

  But at that moment, I was empty because I didn't even have that conviction that I had had my whole life. I had nothing. So I said, okay, if I have nothing, then what do I do? I'm just serving. And then I was very empty.

• 18:53Rich Roll?

  You have to wrestle with the ego. The ego attaches itself to whatever it can. So the ego attachment to continuing to live in this house, or the ego attachment to whatever dream or idea you had about a community, and how that relates to your sense of identity, and the attachments that you have to that, and then having to surrender that, right? You have to let that go.

• 19:20Julie Piatt?

  Well, that was done, you know, that was done many, many, many years prior. This was just, I felt it in my cells, and I thought this particular thing was going to transpire. And when it was no longer on the table, I was completely empty. There was nothing for me to even have my attention on, except for, okay, I'm serving in the moment. This is what I'm doing. And so, the power of selfless service, when you're really that empty, is massively, exponentially greater than if you say, I'm gonna go, you know, carry somebody's groceries right now, or something like that. So I think it's the emptiness, and so I'm sharing this because if anybody out there

• 20:02Julie Piatt?

  has been, if their dream, or something that they felt very clear about, is no longer in their life, it's very, very powerful to use this opportunity of the emptiness to be a clear channel.

• 20:15Rich Roll?

  It's a little bit like what you wrote about in that Mind Body Green blog post the other day.

• 20:23Julie Piatt?

  My sacred moment.

• 20:24Rich Roll?

  Right, sort of recognizing, you know, a painful...

• 20:29Rich Roll?

  Situation in your life as an opportunity and here and how to see your way through it to leverage it to create a foundation for future growth as opposed to kind of devolving into some kind of shame spiral victimhood over it.

• 20:46Julie Piatt?

  Well, it's, you know, to me, it's very clear. It's the only intelligent thing to do. I mean, we have, you know, all kinds of experiences in a human life and a lot of those are joyful and exaltive and then a lot of those are completely traumatizing and devastating. And so, all things are sacred. The life is sacred. And so, you know, it is a power of perception to use your, you could call it imagination and apply a spiritual perspective to everything in your life. And if you do that, you will experience much more than you ever realized.

• 21:24Rich Roll?

  So how, but, so how do you do that?

• 21:27Julie Piatt?

  Well, like, for instance, I'm trying to think which traumatizing event I should share about.

• 21:35Rich Roll?

  Careful.

• 21:37Julie Piatt?

  Well, my, no, my astrologer calls-

• 21:39Rich Roll?

  Overshare.

• 21:40Julie Piatt?

  Exactly. Trying to hold something back. No, my astrologer calls my chart, Blood, Guts, and Glory. And it's actually, you know, kind of true, actually. So, you know, just everything that happens in life, like, we'll just take the house for instance. It's like, I had to, I held the vision for many, many, many years. And then when I, when there was literally nothing else that I could do, I offered her back. I said, okay, this isn't for me to decide. And so, you offer that at the feet of something, something greater than you are. And I recognize that there is a greater plan that I am involved in that

• 22:22Julie Piatt?

  is leading me. And so, it's this, it's this balance of holding, I say, hold on loosely. You know, you hold on loosely to the intention. I mean, this one with the house was a very big one. And I mean, I fought for this for five years and everybody was advising me not to do it. Everybody thought I was crazy and that I would never persevere. So, this is, this was truly a life mission. This is not like- You know, oh, I want a shiny red bike and I don't want to let go of it. But for me, you know, every single, every single thing in your life, like, you know, someone was sharing with me, I think Stu Bone was sharing with me, he had a really traumatizing

• 23:01Julie Piatt?

  event and he was cycling actually with a guy all day and after they split off, the gentleman actually had an accident. It was very severe, like very, very, very severe. And Stu called me and was very rattled about it. And, you know, what, what choice do you have in, in those circumstances? There's no bright side of the street that you can say, oh, well, you know, it was meant to be, or, or, you know, it'll get better, or he'll walk again. You, you literally have to see it as a sacred moment. And I said to Stu, don't take that

• 23:38Julie Piatt?

  beauty away from him by, see him in his full spiritual power and know that this is a sacred moment and then this is part of his journey. And then love him and hold all the space that you can for him. But don't, if you view it as this is a tragedy, then you're putting more of that sort of downward energy into it. So it's almost a respect that each being creates their own life path. And some of those experiences are really wonderful and uplifting and some of those experiences are very, very traumatizing. And all are sacred. All are divine.

• 24:22Rich Roll?

  Yeah, I talked about this subject with Preston Smiles, which we haven't posted that interview yet. That, that's coming up in, I don't know, a couple of weeks. But this idea that no matter what, it's windy, everything's blowing in here, no matter what sort of transpires in your life, that on some level, conscious or unconscious or, you know, otherworldly, you have created that in your life. Even if it's, you know, I was walking across the street and I didn't do anything wrong and I got hit by a car, you know, Preston's perspective is that there's something going on in, in your life on some level that brought that into your life. And that's a pretty controversial, kind of gnarly

• 25:07Rich Roll?

  position to take because...

• 25:11Rich Roll?

  You know, it's sort of like, whoa, you didn't do anything wrong. Like, how could you, how could you say that? You're basically blaming this person and, and, and telling them to take responsibility for something to which they seemingly had no, you know, relationship to having it occur.

• 25:25Julie Piatt?

  But it's not blaming, blaming though, it could be not this, it could be thousands of lifetimes. It could be another lifetime that you had. So it's like, everything is cause and effect. So it's like, yes, you are the sum. You are sitting exactly where you are in your life because of everything that has happened in your entire experience, including past lifetimes.

• 25:46Rich Roll?

  But not everybody believes in past lifetimes.

• 25:48Julie Piatt?

  Well, that's their problem.

• 25:53Julie Piatt?

  That, that would be very, a very sad, um, you know, existence because...

• 25:58Rich Roll?

  Well, every, you know, people have different ideas about that kind of stuff. So, you know, I don't want to get too attached to, you know, one, one sort of dogmatic perspective of spirituality over another on that.

• 26:10Julie Piatt?

  That's dogmatic?

• 26:12Rich Roll?

  Well, yeah, because not everybody agrees with that. There, you know, a Christian would say that that's not, that's not the way that it is.

• 26:18Julie Piatt?

  No, I think in, I think in a lot of Christian theology, there, there's a talk of past lives.

• 26:25Rich Roll?

  Is there?

• 26:25Julie Piatt?

  Yes.

• 26:26Rich Roll?

  All right, well, not every religion subscribes to that. That's all, that's the only point that I'm making.

• 26:30Julie Piatt?

  Right.

• 26:31Rich Roll?

  All right. But I think that, uh, you know, kind of in a tactile, real world way of, of managing and dealing with that, the suffering comes from judgment, right? Like, if you're judging a scenario that's, that's happening to you, good or, good or bad.

• 26:46Julie Piatt?

  Well, if you get hit by a car, that sucks, right? And you're gonna be, you're gonna be judging it. You're gonna be feeling that way. But at some level, it's like, no matter what it is, um, I mean, I'll use my experience of my first marriage, of, um, being in a battered relationship, being physically abused. And, uh... It was not until, and I had an extreme amount of pain about that. Extreme amount of, because I'm not a violent person. And I found myself trapped in this, in this relationship as a young girl. And I couldn't get away. And no matter how many times I broke up, he would find me and he would be waiting outside my work. And it was always pulling on my pity and my sympathy of who he was.

• 27:30Julie Piatt?

  And I should forgive him and all this kind of stuff. And this went on for, it was a seven-year karmic experience that I had. And it was not pretty. And it was scary. And it would go in and out of normalcy and then back in. And in my recovery from this situation as a young woman, it wasn't until I took responsibility for my part in the relationship that I was truly free. I could have spent my whole life making a whole story in my head and, and in talking to people about how wronged I had been and how, you know, horrible this relationship was. But the truth of the matter, net-net, is that I was in the relationship with him.

• 28:15Julie Piatt?

  I had something to learn from that experience. And so it took me a little while, but I, I worked it out and I got the lesson. And I never repeated that relationship again in my life. The boy's father was-

• 28:32Rich Roll?

  Yeah, to be clear, let's, let's make sure that people understand that you're not talking about Lu Pia. This is somebody else.

• 28:37Julie Piatt?

  No, no, no, no. Right. This was not the boy. This was an early, early relationship, so it's, it's important. And, you know, I had even friends that refused to be friends with. I remember this girl that I was really good friends with. She basically broke up with me and told me that I would repeat the pattern for the rest of my life. And so she couldn't be friends with me. And I never repeated that pattern again. It was part of my self-mastery. I learned it. I learned the lesson. It was a karmic debt, is what I, I believe. And we had some stuff to work out. And even since then, I haven't seen him physically. Do not choose to see him physically. But I have met him in my dream state and in other altered states. And-

• 29:19Rich Roll?

  How do those conversations go?

• 29:20Julie Piatt?

  They were great. You know, they were great. It was like, I forgive you, I forgive myself, and we're cool. And everything's fine. And I don't feel myself to be any better than he is, or any worse than he is. We simply played a part in a, in a lifetime experience together. And I learned a tremendous amount from this experience. And this, in fact, was maybe, I mean, I've always been spiritually inclined since I was a little child. So I've been, you know, catching rides to church with the neighbors and in all different kinds of religions.

• 29:54Julie Piatt?

  Don't ask me how this happens, when, you know, when I had parents.

• 29:57Rich Roll?

  You just came out of the womb like that.

• 29:58Julie Piatt?

  Yeah, I just was like that. But, but I will say that during this very dark time, where I was trapped in this, in this relationship, is when I started meditating and actually having some communion with, you know, actually Jesus, some, you know, beings. And actually, that was my first experience. And so sometimes, and I would say oftentimes, humans won't stop this hamster wheel. There's too much external stimulus. And especially if you have, if you live a life of privilege, and you have things taken care of, right? So like, you can, you can have all your accoutrements around you so that you can give yourself the illusion that you're good, like you're pretty cool.

• 30:41Julie Piatt?

  You're never gonna go deep. You're never gonna get down on your knees because you're too safe in that middle ground. So that's what I'm talking about. I'm not saying that I want anybody to be in pain. That's not what I want. You know, I have great compassion for human suffering. This life is not easy. There, there are just incredibly horrific things happening on the planet. I do not take any of this lightly. However, all of these experiences in life are opportunities to access deeper levels of ourselves. And we are much more than a human body. We are much more than that.

• 31:22Rich Roll?

  Well, and I think everybody, even if you, you know, are well-to-do financially and live in a gated community and have your very safe SUV and your nice cushy job and your two kids and all that kind of stuff, you're not, you're not immunizing yourself from the realities of life and the pain that comes with that. I mean, I think everybody experiences some level of suffering at some point. You can't escape this existence without that. So, so of course, yeah, not willing. Pain on anybody, of course, but to recognize that those are opportunities to grow and that growth is what we're here to do. And certainly in my case, like, the only time I grow is when I'm in pain. Like, all these sort of painful things that have happened to me, some of which I've learned

• 32:07Rich Roll?

  from and some of which I still resist learning from, you know, they're just, they're opportunities, I think, right?

• 32:13Julie Piatt?

  Yes, they are.

• 32:14Rich Roll?

  So, so taking it back to, you know, this divine moment, or this precious moment, to seize upon it, and this idea of reserving judgment upon it, you know, I think that it's that idea that we don't have all the information, right? We don't know the true reason why this is happening, and we're impulsively led to judge it as good, or bad, or tragic, or whatever. We're just wired that way, but to the extent that we can try to reserve that judgment, and explore it, and perceive it as more of an opportunity than something that is more

• 32:55Rich Roll?

  about you being a victim, then I think the greater opportunity you have to learn and grow from that.

• 33:01Julie Piatt?

  Well, and also to just know that, you know, there is a greater force, and that we're all part of that. And, I mean, I think, I think I'm spiritually inclined because I don't like suffering as much, you know? And I'm, maybe you'd say that I'm, you know, I want help, I want help. And so, for me, spiritual context makes my life meaningful, and makes it just deeper. And so, when I have that, it broadens the playing field so much more, that it lifts me out of any depression, because I always see the playing field so much more expanded, beyond this planet, beyond this solar system.

• 33:46Julie Piatt?

  It's a, it's a large game life, it's very, very large. And, you know, we're just humans on one planet here, and it's, it's school, you know? It's a learning, the whole reason we're here is for self-discovery, is to find that thread back to our home, and we're all, the home is the same for all of us.

• 34:09Rich Roll?

  Yeah, I wonder what it would be like if instead of all the advertisements and billboards and television commercials that you see that are all driving you to accumulate things and this inherent message of sort of buy and ye shall be happy like and you know, or you know, let's all strive to live this life of comfort and ease and that's the path to happiness. What if that was all inverted and all of the messaging everywhere you went

• 34:33Julie Piatt?

  Go inside.

• 34:34Rich Roll?

  Was about like letting go and surrender and going inside. You know, I think on some level, I suppose, you know, eastern cultures are more about that, but they're not, you know, living this capitalistic type society where we're bombarded with stimulus and messages. But wouldn't it be hilarious if like all the TV commercials were like about that? Like, I wonder what our society would look like.

• 34:56Julie Piatt?

  That would be a great movie. Why don't you write that?

• 34:58Rich Roll?

  Where everybody, yeah, like it's just, everything is like the opposite.

• 35:02Julie Piatt?

  That'd be amazing.

• 35:03Rich Roll?

  It was all about like giving your stuff away.

• 35:06Julie Piatt?

  Then we wouldn't have, we wouldn't have as much fun. We wouldn't have as many traumatic experiences to really work through. So, yeah.

• 35:12Rich Roll?

  I know. Well, it's funny because, you know, intuitively, everybody knows that, that on an intellectual level, that all this stuff is not, you can't take it to your grave and it's not what makes you happy. And, you know, how many times do you hear, you know, the story of the old person on their deathbed who just says, I wish I didn't go to the office so much and I wish I'd, we can hear that a million times and we still don't change our, we go, oh, that's interesting. And then we just go do what we're doing and we do, we make the same mistakes over and over again. So what is it that we can't, you know, take that, take that intellectual understanding and put it into, you know, practical application in our life? Why is our, why do we struggle with that so much, you think, as a culture?

• 35:54Julie Piatt?

  Well, I think the ego wants to survive, you know, and it wants to think that it's it, that it, that that's what's happening, which is really so ridiculous because I'm sitting here with you. I mean, one of the things that we're sharing about today and we're going to start talking about our family is, you know, I've been a mother for nine, more than 19 years. I mean, how is that possible? And here, you know, my parents just moved to town and they're in their 90s, you know, and this is a complete, it's completely idiotic that we don't discuss death from the time we're born. I mean, and start preparing to die. I mean, it's all coming. No, no one is escaping it, no matter how big their hummer is, or no matter how, you know, how, how, how famous they are.

• 36:39Julie Piatt?

  And also happiness keeps eluding us also, no matter how famous, no matter how much you realize, no matter how much stuff. So, you know, the, the only intelligent option is to develop a spiritual connection, in, in my opinion.

• 36:56Rich Roll?

  Yeah, and it's, it's kind of heightened this week because of what happened with Robin Williams.

• 37:02Julie Piatt?

  Beloved, beloved artist.

• 37:05Rich Roll?

  And, you know, just such a, such a, you know, such a love, such a gigantic ball of talent. And it's so shocking when somebody like that, who from our sort of uninformed external perspective, like had everything, right? Probably more money than he could ever imagine spending, and multiple homes, and a gigantic talent, and, and beloved by everybody, and just, you know, exploding with humor and the ability to make people laugh and improve their day. And if somebody like that could be suffering on such a profound level that they felt the need to take their own life, you know, it makes us, it's, it's shattering to our worldview.

• 37:47Julie Piatt?

  Right.

• 37:48Rich Roll?

  Right?

• 37:48Julie Piatt?

  Or our self-view.

• 37:49Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 37:50Julie Piatt?

  About, well, if they have all those things and they're not happy, then really do those things, in fact, provide happiness?

• 37:57Rich Roll?

  Mm-hmm.

• 37:58Julie Piatt?

  You know, do they, do they get you there?

• 38:00Rich Roll?

  Yeah, and we're, we're talking about somebody who suffered terribly from addiction. And, you know, it's easy when people sort of get into recovery and then that becomes like their, their drinking and using becomes something of the past. And you think, well, that was just in the past. But you live with it all the time. And he relapsed and continued to struggle after having been sober for, you know, decades and decades.

• 38:23Julie Piatt?

  Twenty years or something.

• 38:25Rich Roll?

  And was really having a hard time. And when you combine that with depression, that's a pretty potent combination. And what is the solution to that? You know, it's not going to be found in medication. I mean, medic, you know, I don't have an opinion on medication to deal with depression. I think it helps a lot of people. But I think that ultimately, you know, somebody who's suffering from that combination of, of addiction and alcoholism and depression. You know, that's a, that's a, that's a big stone to push up a mountain. And, and I'm just compassionate and sad about it.

• 39:00Julie Piatt?

  Very much. And I hope wherever he is, he can feel the tremendous, tremendous love that was shared, just, you know, it was staggering. I don't think I've ever seen that much love, you know, given after someone's passed. It was really staggering.

• 39:20Rich Roll?

  Right. Mark Maron had interviewed him on his WTF podcast back in 2010. And the day the news came out, he reposted that interview and he did a intro where he kind of talked about his experience, his experiences with Robin and he was choked up, like he was crying the whole time. And when you listen to the interview, it's the only interview with Robin Williams where I really heard him be himself and open up. And he sounded authentic and real and like kind of vulnerable. And he had a willingness to kind of talk about things that you don't hear him talk about in typical interviews because he's got the clown mask on all the time, right? The guy's like on, you know, his volume's turned up to 10 every time you see him on television. And this was a very

• 40:05Rich Roll?

  different version of him. And it's funny because they joked about suicide in the interview. And it was just, it was devastating to hear. And I think it, it really kind of dovetails nicely into this discussion that we want to have about, about community and in particular community versus isolation. Because, you know, I don't, I never met Robin Williams. I don't know what his life was like, but I would have to imagine on some level that, that, you know, he was, he must have been feeling alone on some level.

• 40:35Julie Piatt?

  Very isolated.

• 40:36Rich Roll?

  And isolated, which is the condition of the alcoholic and is certainly a symptom of depression on some level. And it's, you know, I think it just, it really heightens my awareness about the importance of supportive community.

• 40:56Rich Roll?

  As integral to happiness in your life, or at least satisfaction, a sense of belonging and a sense of just general well-being.

• 41:06Julie Piatt?

  Right, and also, you know, real, like, physical community, not only Twitter and Facebook community, but actual, real, live body community.

• 41:17Rich Roll?

  Right, yeah, and it's, the more invested we are in social media, the more isolated we become in the 3D world, right? You know, because we think we're connected.

• 41:26Julie Piatt?

  I don't know, I mean, it is, it is kind of interesting. I have to say that as a, as a spiritual person, as a, as a spiritual warrior person who, you know, I often feel isolated, and I think a lot of times healers feel very isolated because we're always like, sort of the strange one that's like, has this other reality than everybody else at the party. And I do have to say, I mean, I really want to thank, really from my heart, everybody who took the time to send me a message on any of the social media platforms. There have been times in our process where those messages meant everything to us.

• 42:10Julie Piatt?

  So I'm not so quick to just say that by connecting through this platform, we're, you know, we're, we're missing community because in our case, I, I think we're in fact gaining real community. And the thing that's really interesting about it is I feel almost like we put out our, we kind of put our, out our authentic heart, you know, in a very raw, real way, a very vulnerable way. And somehow, that, that note, that sound that we sent out that's going around the world, people are coming to it that are like-minded. So I don't feel, I do feel like our community, the podcast community, is really our community. And that's a lot of times when I meet them, when I go with you,

• 42:53Julie Piatt?

  you know, on your book tours and, you know, go to events, and I see these people, I really do want to give them a hug.

• 42:59Rich Roll?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 43:00Julie Piatt?

  Because I feel like they're ours. But, but there's also that other side of then... You know, being an illusion and feeling like, you know, the person that's liking your Instagram photo is in fact, that's like, that's the substitution for, you know, your friend.

• 43:15Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 43:16Julie Piatt?

  Who lives in the city where you are.

• 43:18Rich Roll?

  Yeah, I mean, it's about your perspective on it and how you balance it in your life, I think. But I, you know, I agree with you. You know, it's funny, we were at, we had dinner last night, it was Trapper's birthday, we went to Cafe Gratitude, and in walked Travis Brewer, you know, who we've had on the podcast, he's a friend of ours.

• 43:39Julie Piatt?

  Hey Travis.

• 43:40Rich Roll?

  Hey Travis, what's up, if he's listening. And it was great to see him. And what's funny is that, is that I almost didn't have to say, like, oh, you know, what's going on? Because I haven't seen him in, I don't know, a month or something. I knew what he was doing. I knew, because I follow what he's doing online. Like, so I actually knew where he had been, and I'd seen these cool pictures that he was posting, and I had a frame of reference to just pick up and connect in a shorthand, you know. And with respect to strangers out there, you know, certainly, the messages that we've gotten as a result of the podcast, or the book, or whatever, are, they're incredible. You know, the idea that, you know, through this microphone sitting in our garage, we have the ability and the power to create community through connecting with like-minded people who are on the vibration,

• 44:25Rich Roll?

  or feeling this particular, you know, vibration, whether it's niche, or mainstream, or what have you, is not to be underestimated. And it's a beautiful thing. And I think, given that this is our 100th podcast, it's important to pause and thank everybody, and honor this audience, this community, that's come together voluntarily around these ideas, and created a dialogue around that. And I believe, and it's the reason that we're doing this, that this has the power to shift consciousness, to improve lives. And it's a beautiful thing. And it's a responsibility, and I don't take it lightly. And...

• 45:08Julie Piatt?

  And all of you, everybody who listens, whether you message us or not, I mean, we don't always, we're not always able to get back to everybody, but you all have been a massive part of this transformation. And then you're going in your own lives and having your own transformation. It's just exponentially, you know, moving and vibrating higher and higher.

• 45:29Rich Roll?

  Yeah, and I had this idea that, kind of in honor of the 100th episode, but I wanted to put it out there to you guys, that if there's people out there who have been impacted by the show and have made changes in their life, I mean, I know there are, because we get tons of emails about this, we'd like to hear those stories. And I think what would be cool is if you feel comfortable sharing that in the comments section on the episode page on my site, that would be great. If you want to be anonymous about it, send us an email through the website on the contact page. And Julie and I are going to go through

• 46:09Rich Roll?

  them, and we're going to pick, like, three of them, and send you guys some cool stuff in the mail, you know, just as like a thank you, really, you know, as a thank you for listening and for, and to honor, you know, the changes that you've made in your life, which is huge, you know, anytime you make any change in your life, that's a, that's a big deal, and I think it deserves to be recognized and appreciated. And I'd like to appreciate the people out there that have taken the message to heart and have really worked hard to improve their condition.

• 46:45Julie Piatt?

  That's right.

• 46:46Rich Roll?

  What do you think about that idea?

• 46:47Julie Piatt?

  I think that's a good idea. I think it's great. We'd do more of that.

• 46:49Rich Roll?

  All right, so we'll pick three, so shoot them over.

• 46:52Julie Piatt?

  Three seems like such a small number.

• 46:54Rich Roll?

  I know, but, you know.

• 46:54Julie Piatt?

  We can send everybody.

• 46:56Rich Roll?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, we'll do more of this kind of stuff, all right? We'll do three this week, and we'll see how it goes.

• 47:01Julie Piatt?

  Okay, awesome. That sounds good.

• 47:14Rich Roll?

  Back to community and this idea of virtual community versus 3D community.

• 47:21Julie Piatt?

  Is that my prompt?

• 47:23Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 47:23Julie Piatt?

  Start talking. Start talking.

• 47:25Rich Roll?

  When I stop talking, you start talking.

• 47:26Julie Piatt?

  Then I start, okay.

• 47:27Rich Roll?

  But I get to interrupt you.

• 47:29Julie Piatt?

  Yeah, I know that. It's your show and I'm cool with that. It's okay.

• 47:34Rich Roll?

  Well, we're waiting for your show. There's a lot of talk.

• 47:37Julie Piatt?

  I know.

• 47:37Rich Roll?

  There's not a lot of action around that.

• 47:39Julie Piatt?

  I'm just, yeah, I know. I'm getting on it. I have a homeschool revolution that I'm launching next week.

• 47:46Rich Roll?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 47:46Julie Piatt?

  It's just a small thing. But anyway, yeah, so, community, I would have to say for us, I really felt like we started our very powerful community with the birth of our fourth child, Jaya.

• 48:06Julie Piatt?

  And there was something about that experience that solidified us as one unit. And after that experience, I didn't feel us separate, even though we had come from blended families. So the boys had a different dad. And then Rich and I, I had Mathis. Rich didn't have Mathis. I had Mathis, but we did it together, of course.

• 48:29Rich Roll?

  A little bit to do with it, but not very much.

• 48:31Julie Piatt?

  A slight amount, not that much. But then, when we had Jaya,

• 48:37Julie Piatt?

  it was this surreal experience. And it came about because I had all of my children in the hospital with the same doctor, Dr. Scott Sirdan. Some of you probably know him out there. If you're gonna have your baby in the hospital, he's the best guy to have your baby with. He's really an amazing guy, educated at Yale, totally mellow, just a sweetheart. And I'm extremely grateful for his presence in my life and for being with me during those times.

• 49:06Julie Piatt?

  But, so, early on, when I first became pregnant, I went in to see Scott and I said, Scott, I would like to have a water birth. And he immediately shut me down and told me that that was absurd and that my baby may drown and that I was not to do that. And I was not as aware as I am now. And so I did what he told me.

• 49:29Rich Roll?

  Water birth is when you have it in the bathtub, right?

• 49:32Julie Piatt?

  Yeah, or in a pool.

• 49:34Rich Roll?

  Why did you want to do that?

• 49:36Julie Piatt?

  Because it's cool and awesome. Why wouldn't you want to do that?

• 49:39Rich Roll?

  I don't know.

• 49:40Julie Piatt?

  No, I wanted to do it because, you know, water is soothing during labor. And then when you actually have the baby, the baby's released into the water. So it's sort of like a gentler entry.

• 49:51Rich Roll?

  Don't they get water in their lungs?

• 49:52Julie Piatt?

  No, honey, like, get informed.

• 49:54Rich Roll?

  I don't know.

• 49:55Julie Piatt?

  No, this is a, this is a very, much more common practice now. And if I had asked the same today, I would have had all my babies in water birth. But that's not what happened. So anyway, so lucky for me, I have, while I have very excruciatingly painful pregnancies in that I am literally sick, I have four good meals when I find out I'm pregnant. And then I'm literally sick the entire time. So sick that I'm aware when I'm sleeping that I'm sick. But I have this wonderful blessing of having very easy births. So I had both of my boys with Scott very easily. I did, I did get an epidural, so I didn't do it naturally.

• 50:36Julie Piatt?

  And then I got pregnant with Mathis and entertained doing it at home. And you had had a friend who actually lost his wife during childbirth.

• 50:46Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 50:47Julie Piatt?

  And you felt, and it seems so shocking because, you know, we don't think that this doesn't happen anymore, but it tragically happened. And, and, and so you didn't want me to have a home birth. You, you know, you were like, we're too far from the hospital.

• 50:59Rich Roll?

  Yeah, we live, we live very far from the closest hospital. Part of that was informed by just the isolation. If something was to go wrong and we had to rush to the hospital, it would take us a long time to get there. And I think that enhanced the risk of doing something like that.

• 51:12Julie Piatt?

  That's right. And then when I got pregnant with Jaya, and then Mathis was a, you know, we shot our film Down Dog. I was dilated to four when we, when I, when we started shooting. And you begged me not to go into labor over the next three days. I was drinking wine by the monitor to stop the labor.

• 51:30Julie Piatt?

  That's prescribed by, by my doctor, by Scott. So anyway, so we basically wrapped. We took the film to Universal the next day. And then we went to Cedars and we had the baby. And Mathis came with one push. She was just, she was ready to go. So then Jaya came around and I was pregnant. And the boys said to me, the boys had been in the room for Mathis, but at the time of the delivery, they had made them leave. And so the second they found out that I was pregnant a fourth time, they said, Mom, we're in the room and we're not leaving. And that's it. So from the very beginning, I knew it was going to be a family birth. I spoke to a friend of yours, actually, who had had a very arduous home birth with like, you know, 25-plus hours of labor.

• 52:15Julie Piatt?

  And finally, we decided that I would, in fact, go back to Scott again and just have the baby the way that I normally do. And somehow, we managed to go to Cedars with all of our instruments. We were put in a room. The boys played music. I was dilated to four, as I always am. And we were lying around in there, and we had our amazing friend Stacy Turk, Stacy Isabella Turk, come and actually shoot these editorial black-and-white photos of our entire birth experience. And it was, without reserve, one of the most magnificent experiences of my life, to have

• 52:57Julie Piatt?

  my children there at the birth to receive their sister. And I really felt that that experience of a family being together for the birth of our of our family member changed changed the dynamic of our family and really bonded us together in a way that we had not accessed prior to that experience.

• 53:22Rich Roll?

  Yeah, it was certainly a long way from the days of the dad handing out cigars in the lobby of, you know, the hospital. I mean, we were all, we were in a hospital room, but it was a big room, and it was sort of decorated to make it feel more like, you know, like a home sort of vibe. Like it had a couch in there and stuff like that. And, yeah, we were all in there. And I think what happens is, and this is changing, but traditionally, you're just at the

• 53:54Rich Roll?

  At the will and the whim of the doctors and the nurses, if you go in uninformed about your birth and you don't realize how many decisions are made, choices are made in the process of delivering a baby, that you actually have more say about or influence over than you might recognize. Hospitals are set up to provide the service, but also to immunize themselves against lawsuits and all that kind of stuff. So they end up doing a lot of things to kind of cover their ass that maybe are not always the best thing. And I'm not a doctor and I'm not passing judgment on it at all. But I think that if you were

• 54:35Rich Roll?

  to go into a situation, a hospital situation, have a birth 10 years ago and say, "I don't want this, I don't want that, I don't want you to rush the baby away as soon as it's born," they would just tell you to take a hike, like, "This is the way we do it." And now, they're much more open, at least in Los... I mean, look, we're in Los Angeles, right? So I don't have experience outside of that. But I think that the more you can inform yourself, the more you realize that you can be empowered about the birth experience being the way that you want it. And the upshot of that is that we did go in, and because of your relationship with Scott, we were able to say, "This is the way we want to do it." And instead of them shutting us down, they made it work for us. And so we were all in

• 55:17Rich Roll?

  there. And I think it was unique in that regard, because even when family members go in, when the actual birth aspect of it is happening, is in motion, then maybe the little kids leave, or it kind of clears out, right? But we stayed in for the whole shebang.

• 55:34Julie Piatt?

  Yeah, it was surreal. It was amazing. And actually, I just had the beautiful, beautiful gift of having those images made into a video by Stacy. And I'd like to post the link with this podcast.

• 55:54Rich Roll?

  Yeah, I'll just embed it on the episode page for this show on the website.

• 55:58Julie Piatt?

  That's right. And it's extremely intimate. It's definitely...

• 56:04Julie Piatt?

  Personal, but I really feel that-

• 56:07Rich Roll?

  Is it an overshare?

• 56:09Julie Piatt?

  I don't think so. It might be for some.

• 56:11Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 56:11Julie Piatt?

  Might be for some. No, I really feel like it was an extraordinarily beautiful experience. And the images are just breathtaking of seeing it's the whole family dynamic. And the way that she shot it was in such an editorial, you don't feel her presence in the room at all. And I've cherished these photographs my whole life and I've wanted to share them with people. And, you know, the time didn't present itself. And I really feel that this aspect of family of really, really going into the core of what your family unit is

• 56:54Julie Piatt?

  and really giving that a lot of love and attention and importance in your life. I think it's one of the key gifts and the key ways that we can experience a more expanded life. And for me, it was really the beginning of community. And of course, I had my family before, but there was something about this experience that we all were there together. It just changed us. And so I would like to share it and I hope that it touches you. And I hope that you are inspired by it.

• 57:31Rich Roll?

  Right. And Stacy's phenomenally talented. The photos are beautiful. It's a great video. So, yeah, I'll definitely share that. And thanks Stacy for putting that together. But what about people that are listening that don't have kids, or they're not married, or they're single? And, you know, on this theme of community building and the importance of bringing and soliciting community into your life?

• 57:54Julie Piatt?

  Well, I mean, I think there's many ways to find your family. And, you know, many of us have not easy experiences with our family of origin or our birth family.

• 58:06Julie Piatt?

  And we can find those communities, or what I like to call our soul family, in other ways. You know, they're for, in other arenas of expression or sharing, you know, other communities, spiritual communities, plant power communities. So there's a lot of other ways that you can experience more of an extended family experience, you know, by going out in your community. I mean, I'm, I'm not really speaking from huge experience in this area, so it's kind of a little, it's a little awkward for me because I come from this family, this is my thing.

• 58:42Rich Roll?

  Right, but we have, I think that you made the important point, which is that you can create your own communities and, and you can choose your soul family, right? And, you know, just in our example, we have communities in our life that are distinct. Like, I have my recovery community and you have your meditation community. It doesn't have to be, you can have these sub-communities in your life. And I think that social media, social media platforms provide a great opportunity for community building, not just virtually, but in real life, like with Facebook groups or whatever. You can find the people in your area that are interested in the things that you're doing and you can create community that way.

• 59:26Rich Roll?

  But I think that if you want to be fully expressed in your life, the important idea is that you cannot do that alone, whether you're training for a marathon or trying to lose 10 pounds, or, you know, write a book, or whatever it is that you're trying to actualize or express in your life. These are not individual pursuits, even, even if they appear to be so on paper, like they take, it requires support. You need, you need support to achieve these things, community to achieve these things. You need like-minded people around you who believe in you. You need accountability and all of these things are, you know... Indicia of community.

• 1:00:06Julie Piatt?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:00:06Rich Roll?

  Right?

• 1:00:06Julie Piatt?

  Very much so.

• 1:00:07Rich Roll?

  And it's this idea of on top of that, sort of appointing a council in your, within your community. I like to call it your board of advisors.

• 1:00:18Julie Piatt?

  I like to call it tribal council.

• 1:00:20Rich Roll?

  Your tribal council, yeah. Everybody needs a board of advisors and, and those people fill different roles for you. Right? So I have certain people that I call for advice for, you know, stuff on business, others for recovery, others for health and nutrition, others for fitness. But I know who those people are in my life and they know that they serve that role too. And they probably have their own board of advisors and, you know, all that kind of thing. Like it's this interlocking web of support, but I rely on those people and I'm very aware that I cannot make progress on my own. And my instinct, especially my alcoholic instinct, is to isolate and try to do it myself and be a control freak.

• 1:01:04Rich Roll?

  And when I'm doing that, I'm not operating on my highest frequency. It's only by letting people in and allowing people to help me and asking for help, which I don't like to do, is when I can make a quantum leap.

• 1:01:17Julie Piatt?

  That's right, ritual. Remember that.

• 1:01:20Rich Roll?

  Yeah, all right.

• 1:01:20Julie Piatt?

  Ask for help.

• 1:01:21Rich Roll?

  What's wrong with your voice?

• 1:01:22Julie Piatt?

  I have something in my mouth.

• 1:01:24Rich Roll?

  You have a frog in your throat?

• 1:01:24Julie Piatt?

  Yes, I don't know.

• 1:01:25Rich Roll?

  Yeah, I mean, you can't, you can't do it alone. And I think that, that building community is the wind in your sails and it's also the accountability on a positive and a negative wavelength, right? Like a positive influence in the sense that they want you to succeed and they're there to support you in that. And also negative accountability in the sense that if you flake or veer left, they're going to call you out on it and hold you accountable to that. So you stay the line because you don't want to be on the receiving end of that. Right?

• 1:01:59Julie Piatt?

  That's one way.

• 1:02:00Rich Roll?

  What's another way?

• 1:02:01Julie Piatt?

  No. They inspire you by, they inspire you to, to live authentically because of who they are. So there's no pain, there's no repercussion.

• 1:02:12Rich Roll?

  Well, that's the positive aspect of it. But for me, it's like, well, I don't want to disappoint them either. You know, the people pleasing, whatever, you know, that character defect aspect of me is. But, but you can't, you can't deny that that is part of the human psyche.

• 1:02:26Julie Piatt?

  Maybe.

• 1:02:27Rich Roll?

  You know?

• 1:02:28Julie Piatt?

  Yeah, maybe. I mean,

• 1:02:31Julie Piatt?

  It's okay. That's good. That's one way. Definitely.

• 1:02:34Rich Roll?

  You're not impressed?

• 1:02:35Julie Piatt?

  I don't know. No, I would say, you know, go in and, and, and connect with your own, your own voice and operate from that point rather than want not to disappoint other people to be your motivation for doing things.

• 1:02:48Rich Roll?

  Yeah, I understand that, but I'm just recognizing that there is a...

• 1:02:51Julie Piatt?

  It's nice to have accountability.

• 1:02:52Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:53Julie Piatt?

  The, the best accountability is with your own self. That would be, that would be the best one, in, in my opinion. But I really do, I would like to get back to families because I really, I, I didn't really express on that and because that is the, the platform from where I'm sharing. That's what I know. That's what's authentic to me. And the reason that I wanted to share, you know, this, these amazing photographs and in this music video that's also set to a song actually called Held So Sweetly, and it's a love song that I originally wrote for an Indian master guru of mine, actually for Yogananda. And then

• 1:03:29Julie Piatt?

  later it really became about my children, which are my real gurus. So I feel like recognizing and remembering that the most important community that you have is your family. I'm talking about parents that have children, that have started families and that have this kind of life experience because cultivating that is what is going to allow you the greatest opportunity for expansion, much more than your work, your business and these kind of

• 1:04:10Julie Piatt?

  endeavors. And I really, really, really feel that there is a beautiful gift that we all experience by creating food, preparing food, and meeting around a family table as part of our lifestyle.

• 1:04:31Rich Roll?

  And what do you think it is about your relationship with your kids that is different from what you see out in the world typically?

• 1:04:41Julie Piatt?

  Well, again, I mean, I think it all starts from a spiritual perspective. And that is that I know that I have been with them before. We are not just mother and child now in this life. And so I feel my past experience with them. I also know that no one is less than or, you know, any better or any worse than I am. So even though I birthed them and they're younger in age and I had to feed them and change their diapers and stay up late with them. And, you know, the human is so completely at the, you know, at the whim of the parent. You know, the baby can't do anything.

• 1:05:19Julie Piatt?

  But even though that that is the condition where in which we're together, I never, I never felt myself older or wiser or better or more entitled than they are. So my children are beings, they're full, they're full life forms that, and as is everybody. And so I meet them that way as a parent, as more of a guide. I, I agreed, we have this contract that I will be their mother this lifetime. But I think we transcend those barriers. And I think that that's expressed and very evident in the fact that I play in a band with my two older boys and have for the last eight years.

• 1:06:04Julie Piatt?

  And when we play music, we're not mother and son anymore. It's kind of something different than that.

• 1:06:12Rich Roll?

  And how does that mash up when, you know, a child is going left on you or, you know, the daily sort of things that occur when you're raising children? I mean.

• 1:06:21Julie Piatt?

  Well, when you even say that a child is going left on you, like that implies that you're the parent and you're going to control it into doing what you want because you're the parent. And I don't parent that way. I, I parent with, I'm, I'm strong. I'm not. I'm not, you know, I don't have a problem speaking up or saying what I mean, or saying something if I feel somebody's out of balance. And actually, neither do my children.

• 1:06:50Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 1:06:51Julie Piatt?

  So, especially even with the girls, there's a lot of back and forth. I mean, if you walk by our house, you know, you might hear some of it. So, I'm not-

• 1:07:00Rich Roll?

  But they know who's boss. I mean-

• 1:07:03Julie Piatt?

  Oh, well, yeah, of course, they know who's boss. But I guess, I don't know. I mean, they, it's funny because sometimes they ask me if it's okay if Rich has a cookie. And he's standing right there.

• 1:07:13Rich Roll?

  I know.

• 1:07:14Julie Piatt?

  They're like, "Mom, can-"

• 1:07:15Rich Roll?

  You understand that-

• 1:07:16Julie Piatt?

  Can Rich-

• 1:07:17Rich Roll?

  You understand that your mom is not in charge of me? Do you get that part? I'm not sure you do.

• 1:07:23Julie Piatt?

  That's right. I don't know what that is. Well, it's just, yeah, you know, kids have a perspective of their parents that they're sort of like the god, you know, the goddess energy. And, and yet, you know, even with Mathis, I mean, we, you know, we push that boundary between the two of us. And that, one of the most beautiful things that I love about her is, she is quite something. She's quite an energy. And we push up against each other. Like, you know, there'll be some yelling and some pushing back and, you know, we're, I'm, I always have to remind her where that boundary is because she's very strong. And, and yet, we can have this whole expression that's pretty intense. And literally, 30 seconds later, she'll walk by and kiss me on the forehead.

• 1:08:06Julie Piatt?

  Like, we don't hold, it doesn't mean that to us. It means she's a very strong being and she requires a lot of me. And sometimes I'm okay with that. And sometimes I'm like, I need, you know, I need this boundary, or you need this boundary.

• 1:08:19Rich Roll?

  That's very masculine energy, though, because usually the feminine energy holds on to that kind of stuff and carries around a resentment. Whereas guys are much more likely to let stuff like that go and- You know, that's a guy thing, like they get in a fight and, you know, half an hour later, they're hanging out and it's no big deal anymore, whereas girls tend to hold on to stuff.

• 1:08:41Julie Piatt?

  Yeah, it's true. It can be true, but you know, your girls are not typical girls at all. Like, they don't fit into really, you know, that paradigm as much, I don't think. And it's also, it's actually a present perspective. It's a, it's a more expanded perspective of being in the now, because if you're in the now, you're not holding on to something. So I would say that for everybody can experience that by being present, more present. And you know, Mathis and I, we've just had to do that our whole life. I mean, your girls are strong. It's your genes. Girls are like ultra-girls.

• 1:09:16Rich Roll?

  But I think behind it is this idea that Mathis knows that if you're angry with her, or there's something that needs to be discussed in a stern fashion, that that's not an indictment on your feelings towards her, or your relationship with her. It's just whatever is specifically happening now, and you're not commenting on how much you love her, right, or don't love her.

• 1:09:42Julie Piatt?

  Well, and I would have to say that, you know, I serve my children. They are a top priority in my life. And when I say I serve my children, I don't mean that I run around and design their life with activities and don't live my life. I'm not a proponent of that. I don't do that at all. But I leave them, I sort of leave them alone to their own experience, and I will stand for them with everything that I have. When I see if they have something that they want to express, if they have, you know, something that they need to be protected from, they know that I am, I will be there for them, like, to

• 1:10:24Julie Piatt?

  the end of the earth. And it's that kind of devotion that they feel from me that allows me to say, you know, to say something intense to them. And just, you know, and they say it back. I mean, but I don't have a relationship with them, like, oh, you can't say that to me because I'm your mother. Oh, no, they can. So it's a, it's a back and forth that we have, and...

• 1:10:46Julie Piatt?

  And I feel extremely blessed that all of them chose me to be their mother and that we're in this amazing community of our family with you. And I'm forever grateful, eternally grateful for this experience.

• 1:11:04Rich Roll?

  Well, I think you've done a great job also of kind of carrying this theme of the podcast or of our lifestyle into the lives of our children in the sense that, you know, we can't just be on this mic saying, you know, unlock your best life and, you know, try to do what you can to pursue your dreams and then not allow that space in your children, right? By saying, no, you know, that's later in life. You can't do that right now. You have to do this. And you've been able to instill in them a sense that they not only can pursue their dreams, but that's what they should be doing above all else,

• 1:11:45Rich Roll?

  right? And supporting that and using that as the sort of structure around which to build an educational model. So for example, Mathis recently has become really into fashion design and we've been supporting that by giving her mentorship and providing her with what she needs to learn about that and express it. And she's super into it. And she created this dress for when we had our, you know, wedding vows renewed. And she just had an article about her in the Malibu Times, which was amazing. Like she's being reinforced by outside society for really what is these seeds that you've planted in her and allowed

• 1:12:29Rich Roll?

  to flourish, which is really cool to see. And it really validates this model of child rearing and homeschooling that you're so passionate about, I think.

• 1:12:38Julie Piatt?

  Well, I don't, like, I don't know. I mean, I don't know if it's genetic, or I don't know if I planted the seed, or I don't know if she just saw me and then saw something, you know, I don't know exactly how that works.

• 1:12:48Rich Roll?

  Well, it's not, I'm not talking about her interest in fashion design. I'm talking about her sense of self and her confidence to pursue what she's interested in and the support that we try to give her and all our kids in their different varieties and forms and interests.

• 1:13:04Julie Piatt?

  Yeah. And so, I mean, to speak to that, I really feel like we all need to leave our kids alone a little more. And You know, we have children and then we instantly think we have to start teaching them all these things and we get out the flashcards and we get out the videos and we start comparing them against another kid and are they, you know, are they reading as many books as that kid and do they like math as much as the neighbor kid and it starts there. And I really feel like everybody needs some space to find out who they are and this happens through spontaneous play, creativity, being out in nature, having a lot of space around them.

• 1:13:45Julie Piatt?

  I mean, I didn't know what I wanted to do when I graduated from my first university. And here we're, you know, we're already shoving information at small children at a very, very young age. In my experience, the reason that I adapted this way of being is that Mathis came into my life and she didn't fit into any structure. So I literally had had this pretty smooth sailing with the older boys and everything had been, you know, I mean, it'd been a journey, but, you know, not anything sort of extraordinarily extreme. And then here I am about to parent my third child and she shows up and nothing that I

• 1:14:28Julie Piatt?

  know works for her, absolutely zero. So I had to throw away all my past experience and I always say that I had to surf Mathis like a wave. I had to simply feel how she was in the moment and then see how I could serve her best. And so I left her alone a lot. I gave her boundaries. I was there for her many, many, many years, eight years. We spent a lot of time together. And what's happened is all of her imbalances, all of her extreme tendencies have balanced. She found something that she's passionate about and she's able to apply it with focus.

• 1:15:08Julie Piatt?

  But I have to say, I protected her because in the school system, she was suffering. And that kind of system that exists today, the one that was based on an industrial age, the one Sir Ken Robinson speaks so passionately against is, was not good for her. And it's not good for many, many, many children, and many of you out there are agreeing with me right now. Because the children that are coming into our world are different today than when we were, when we were in school.

• 1:15:43Rich Roll?

  And the world's different.

• 1:15:44Julie Piatt?

  The world is much different. And, and so because of my experience with Mathis, I have developed actually a homeschool model that I'm going to be launching, actually, my first meeting next week. I'm presenting to a group of parents. And I'm making the plea to create community around conscious education. And I use the word education because I want to be understood, but what I really would like to say is remembrance. Because I really, truly believe that all of us have everything we need within our own hearts. And we simply need to access that and, and connect with that. And then, everything will be really alright.

• 1:16:24Rich Roll?

  Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, you know, in Mathis's case, you know, it wasn't like we had this dream of homeschooling. We tried. We had her in all different kinds of schools, and it just, it was a square peg in a round hole every time. And the real kind of tipper, tipping point for me is just after she'd be at a certain school for a couple of weeks or a couple of months, and having her come home looking deflated, because she's a, she's like a wild hair up your ass. Like, she's, you know, she's strong, and she has a sense of self and an opinion, and, you know, she likes to dress up in whatever way she wants to dress up, and she's, you know, standing tall in that.

• 1:17:06Rich Roll?

  And then to see her come back like a wilted flower is, that's unacceptable, you know? And I had that experience in school, and it was just too painful to watch. And, and that's where we really bonded over it, because for me, I'm coming from a traditional schooling background that I was successful in to some extent. And, and I'm very traditional in that regard. And so for me, the idea of entertaining homeschool is, is

• 1:17:35Rich Roll?

  Is something that I've had to acclimate to and it hasn't been always easy for me because I have to overcome my preconceived ideas about what education is and how kids should be taught and et cetera, et cetera, and really has forced me to look at things from a different perspective. And the real tipping point, like I said, was just seeing Mathis in that state and realizing that that was not acceptable, that we just could not as parents allow that to continue. And I think there's a lot of parents that are having that experience, seeing their kid and just not knowing what to do next, like what is the solution to that? And it's, and you know, part of it, you can, you can say, well, part of it is just growing

• 1:18:20Rich Roll?

  up, it's socialization, that's just what happens. But, you know, I think that it is really important to try to protect the fragile self-esteem of a young person because the sort of ripple effects and ramifications of a destroyed sense of self at an early age manifest in extremely negative ways later in life. And I've seen it time and time again with a lot of people.

• 1:18:45Julie Piatt?

  Across the board. And I mean, the one, if I have one mission of the school, the mission of, the mission of the school is to preserve the self-esteem of each child, solely that. And so, and the other thing is, is, is what I want to say to people out there is, is first of all, no one else is coming to change this for you. We have to change it. We are the parents now. And, you know, I have a 19-year-old, an 18-year-old, a 10-year-old and a seven-year-old. I still have a seven-year-old. I mean, I'm still right in the thick of all these school years. And I just, I had this hit me very, very hard, you know, and feel very passionate about

• 1:19:29Julie Piatt?

  it, very, very deeply about this because I kept looking around the community and looking at all these amazing people that I was meeting everywhere. And so my model, the, the base is six families, but I'm actually

• 1:19:44Julie Piatt?

  I'm actually calling for 12 families to join me in this homeschool revolution. We are going to have a complete online platform so that I can share all over the planet, share and inspire and ignite other people to do the same thing. The name of the revolution is called Jai Seed, which Jai Seed was the name of our first cookbook. But really, Jai Seed was the name of a whole body of information I received during meditation. And it means Jai or Jay, depending on how you pronounce it. I'm pronouncing it wrong, but we like how Jai sounds, so that's what we do. In Sanskrit, it means victory.

• 1:20:25Julie Piatt?

  And then the seed, of course, can mean very many different things. The seed of a plant, the seed of a child, a seed of creation. But the seed contains already all the information necessary inherently within it, right?

• 1:20:40Rich Roll?

  The seed is potential.

• 1:20:41Julie Piatt?

  The seed has all that blueprint inside of it. All it needs is nurturing. And you don't need to, you know, get involved in what's outside the seed to make it actualize to the species of plant that it was. It has everything within. And so the name of the revolution is called Jai Seed. And it's based on six foundational pillars. One is spirituality in meditation. I just can't, there's no mincing words about it so that someone feels okay. It's like, we are spiritual beings having a human experience. That is what's happening. And whether you know that or not is your own journey, but that is what's happening.

• 1:21:21Julie Piatt?

  So meditation is a core pillar, foundation of the school. The second thing is creativity. So creativity in all things, meaning not just art and music and dance, which all of those are very dear to me and very important, but creativity in anything. Creativity in nuclear science, creativity in physics, creativity in math, anything that you're doing. Because creativity is what is going to allow us to receive the quantum messages that are going to transform our world. Because right now, on a linear, just taking the linear information we have, it's not that great. We don't really have all that many options.

• 1:22:04Rich Roll?

  Right. And I think it was, was it Einstein who said, "You cannot solve a problem with the same intention or frequency that created it." And the way out of that is to, is to instill creativity, because it's through creativity that you're going to be able to perceive, develop, and implement a new solution or a new perspective, right? Like, if you're just following the ABCs, then that does not do very much for getting you to think outside the box. It's the same idea that, you know, in art school, when you're a little kid, or you're in an art class, and they don't like you drawing outside the lines. And it's sort of like, well, actually,

• 1:22:49Rich Roll?

  they should be encouraging you to draw outside the lines, because it's the people that draw outside the lines that are the ones that are able to see things other people can't. And they're the ones that end up becoming Elon Musk in solving the world's problems, because they can see solutions in a way that other people can't.

• 1:23:04Julie Piatt?

  Exactly.

• 1:23:05Rich Roll?

  We should be celebrating that and fostering that and trying to create a whole new generation of people who have that acuity to be able to look at a problem differently than we have traditionally been looking at these situations that we're in. Because if you look across the board, it ain't so good. Politically, economically, our healthcare system, the environment, our food, like, everything, you know. We're entrenched in a cultural situation, a social situation, where there's so much momentum behind these systems that were put in place so long ago. You know, everything from the way, you know, the Federal Reserve acts and the way dollars are printed up,

• 1:23:50Rich Roll?

  you know, to our system of government, which is, you know, sort of becomes something that I'm not so sure it was originally intended to be. You know, it doesn't matter, any example that you raise, there's so much entrenched energy behind perpetuating these systems, many of which don't fit.

• 1:24:13Rich Roll?

  The modern paradigm that we now find ourselves in.

• 1:24:15Julie Piatt?

  Exactly.

• 1:24:16Rich Roll?

  And so, how do you change the system? Well, you need to have not just one person, but a whole generation of people who are able to look at things differently and create community around that, which then creates a new energy that can develop an equal opposing momentum. And that's how change is going to happen.

• 1:24:36Julie Piatt?

  That's beautifully put. Thank you. That's amazing.

• 1:24:40Rich Roll?

  Anyway.

• 1:24:40Julie Piatt?

  Yeah, no. And what we're doing is we're not allowing for the evolution in our children. And so, we're getting children that are coming in that are wired differently, that don't learn the way that we're forcing them into this system. And then if they don't fit in, then we're medicating them. We're going, okay, give them a pill and let's get them to fit in.

• 1:24:58Rich Roll?

  Or we put them in a special education class and then they're immediately labeled as less than or problematic or different. And then there's a stigma that then gets internalized into that child and becomes extremely damaging.

• 1:25:10Julie Piatt?

  Right, and they're not going to share. They're not going to go in deep and they're not going to share because they've already been disrespected. They've been not cared for. And so, they're going to, in many ways, start expressing in a not positive manner. And the other key thing with a lot of these new energetic kids is that they are leaders. They are not followers. And if they are uncared for, they have a capacity, they have a very strong, powerful energy. They have a capacity to express that in a negative way if they're not cared for, if you're not nurturing it correctly. So, the other foundational pillar, so creativity is huge. I mean, it's a big, big part of the model

• 1:25:55Julie Piatt?

  and also what I feel is going to be one of the most fun experiences and make it an amazing way to live with your children and experience life today, now, with your kids, which is what we really should be caring about. Another foundational pillar is being storytellers. So, you know, it's about filming everything and sharing this over the internet. In a very, very expanded way because we want to ignite other people to start doing the same thing. You know, I'm one community here in Malibu area. My hope is that through this online community, we're going to be able to access with other

• 1:26:37Julie Piatt?

  communities all over the world and in fact, build a network of like-minded homeschoolers that are doing amazing things and caring for our kids in this way. The next foundational pillar, of course, is plant-based lifestyle, plant-based nutrition. Now, of course, if there's one person who feels like they need some kind of meat for a specific reason, that would be an exception. But overall, you know, we are looking to live authentic, creative lives and to be harmoniously connected with our planet. And at this point on the planet, it's just not responsible or loving or harmonious to

• 1:27:21Julie Piatt?

  be eating meat. Sorry, you've been not that blunt on the show, but there's just too many environmental factors at this point. Water, number one. And so we are going to be a plant-based movement. And then, I don't know, did I say five? The last one is travel and pollination. Oh, no, there's two more. Travel and pollination because travel is our greatest teacher. And again, through connecting with these like-minded communities across the planet, I hope to be building this network where we in fact, travel to Argentina and visit a whole nother community. And those kind of experiences change lives because when you go, we know from doing yoga

• 1:28:05Julie Piatt?

  retreats in Italy and also in the Caribbean and Mexico, going on a journey with people to another land and experiencing, you know, a kind of education and seeing the world, that is the most powerful teacher. It's just amazing. And then finally, I want to call it conscious commerce because we are self-sustainable. We are in the world and we are operating in a business way, in a harmonious, non-harmful, non-manipulative manner.

• 1:28:42Julie Piatt?

  Really sharing authentically, we're going to be sharing our curriculums, our ideas, our inspiration, you know, different things that come from the children. And that's very, very important. I also am going to be crowdfunding for this. And the reason I am is because I feel like it's a perfect forum to spread the message. And so I feel very, very aligned and very harmonious with that choice. And so, so I'm working on all that. So that's why I haven't done the podcast yet.

• 1:29:16Rich Roll?

  Right. So you got your hands full.

• 1:29:19Julie Piatt?

  I have my hands full, but it's-

• 1:29:20Rich Roll?

  Open source, open source homeschool revolution.

• 1:29:23Julie Piatt?

  Yeah, so-

• 1:29:24Rich Roll?

  Global movement.

• 1:29:25Julie Piatt?

  It's, it's pretty exciting. I mean, for me as a being, it's like I've basically, right now, I've worked my entire life. My, my entire life experience has prepared me for this moment that I'm going to be sharing, that I'm sharing now and that I'm sharing next week. And it's, it's not really stressful. It's kind of, it's kind of, it feels like I just had a nice glass of water.

• 1:29:50Rich Roll?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:29:52Julie Piatt?

  I feel fulfilled and I'm also not attached. Like, I'm, you know, I'm, I'm putting the net out there and I'm looking for this tribe. And I know people from my life that I've thought were possible candidates. And I also know that they may not be the ones. Like, I'm literally looking for those unique 12.

• 1:30:09Rich Roll?

  Mm-hmm. And if there are people listening to this that live in the area, is this open?

• 1:30:15Julie Piatt?

  Please email me.

• 1:30:16Rich Roll?

  All right, so get in touch with Julie.

• 1:30:18Julie Piatt?

  Yeah, get in touch with me.

• 1:30:18Rich Roll?

  What's the date of the-

• 1:30:19Julie Piatt?

  Go to shrimati.com. Or you can Facebook me, @shrimatimusic on Facebook.

• 1:30:27Rich Roll?

  The event is next Saturday, right?

• 1:30:28Julie Piatt?

  Yeah, but this is next Saturday, but, but not to worry because there'll be other events. This is just sort of my first, my first presentation. And I'm working, I have, I'm finishing my book up. I'm editing 500 pages right now, but this section, this is a section of my book. And so I'm, I'm fine tuning this. And so it will be almost like a book two of the book book.

• 1:30:54Rich Roll?

  What else do you have going on in your free time?

• 1:30:56Julie Piatt?

  I'm married to an ultra interns athlete-rich role who requires a lot of care.

• 1:31:02Rich Roll?

  It's a lot, it's very high.

• 1:31:03Julie Piatt?

  A lot of attention.

• 1:31:04Rich Roll?

  A lot of high maintenance attention, for sure.

• 1:31:07Julie Piatt?

  You're really worth it.

• 1:31:20Rich Roll?

  The other cool thing I wanted to mention, just on the subject of projects that we have going on, is that we're in the finishing, we're finishing up another draft of our cookbook project, which is pretty exciting. And we just shot like a little promo video for it yesterday, which is pretty cool.

• 1:31:38Julie Piatt?

  We did.

• 1:31:38Rich Roll?

  Yeah. And so, we're not sure the trajectory of the book yet. We don't have a release date or anything like that. I had said earlier that it was looking like January, but it may be longer because of certain recent developments that I'll keep you apprised of, but that I'm gonna be cagey about right now.

• 1:31:58Julie Piatt?

  We can't discuss it.

• 1:31:59Rich Roll?

  But it's all good, it's exciting. The book is amazing. I wish I could just put it out right now, because it's so freaking awesome.

• 1:32:05Julie Piatt?

  I know.

• 1:32:06Rich Roll?

  But, good things to those who wait, right? And what are you doing today? You're going off to a meditation retreat?

• 1:32:14Julie Piatt?

  Yes, actually Tyler and I, after we finish the podcast, Tyler and I are gonna swing over and pick up June. June, the master gardener, and we're gonna drive up to Santa Barbara. We're going to a three-day retreat with His Holiness Vidya Dhyananda. And it's a celebration.

• 1:32:33Rich Roll?

  She's gonna sit around and eat dal and meditate?

• 1:32:35Julie Piatt?

  I don't think so.

• 1:32:36Rich Roll?

  And chant mantra?

• 1:32:37Julie Piatt?

  We're gonna chant a lot. Actually, I'm singing, I'm singing a solo piece, a Krishna chant. A Krishna. I'm learning how to speak Sanskrit, Sanskrit, properly.

• 1:32:48Rich Roll?

  You are.

• 1:32:48Julie Piatt?

  Krishna.

• 1:32:49Rich Roll?

  Ancient language.

• 1:32:50Julie Piatt?

  Krishna.

• 1:32:50Rich Roll?

  You should learn how to write it.

• 1:32:52Julie Piatt?

  Krishna.

• 1:32:52Rich Roll?

  I'd like you to learn how to write it.

• 1:32:53Julie Piatt?

  Oh, my God. Maybe I would have to definitely channel some power from a past life in order to do that, I'm sure. I'll work on it, see if I can do it.

• 1:33:01Rich Roll?

  It can't be easy.

• 1:33:02Julie Piatt?

  It doesn't look easy at all. It's actually, according to His Holiness, you can't, you really can't even study Sanskrit, I don't know if I said that right, Sanskrit on like a scholarly level because it's a language that has to be experienced. And as a realized saint from the high Himalayan caves, he has meditated over 50,000 hours in the caves in the Himalayas.

• 1:33:28Rich Roll?

  How is that possible?

• 1:33:28Julie Piatt?

  It seems impossible, but I know that he's the guy I want to be meditating with, that I'm sure about. And I'm pretty sure also that everybody else who says that they're an expert on meditation is not an expert. After I met him, I would have to say, you know, I mean, I have one technique that has served me, that I share, but the, the subject is vast, let's just say that.

• 1:33:55Rich Roll?

  But what about Sanskrit?

• 1:33:57Julie Piatt?

  Uh.

• 1:33:59Rich Roll?

  It has to be experienced?

• 1:34:00Julie Piatt?

  Oh, it has to be experienced. It's experiential, okay? So, and that's another, that's another level of wisdom. So, you know, it's the same thing about life experience and, and, you know, when you're sharing from an authentic place, you're sharing because you had the experience, not because you read about it in a book and then you're telling somebody about it. So, experiencing Sanskrit, it's actually, they're all sacred tones and they have harmonic frequencies and actually, it's actually an experience in, in a, in a sound, in a word, if you can imagine that, but it's amazing.

• 1:34:39Rich Roll?

  But the idea being that the harmonic resonance of uttering this word has some kind of energetic impact on your psyche or your soul, is that essentially what you're saying?

• 1:34:50Julie Piatt?

  Definitely.

• 1:34:51Rich Roll?

  Definitely.

• 1:34:52Julie Piatt?

  It's pretty amazing.

• 1:34:53Rich Roll?

  It's almost like, because they say it's the first language, right?

• 1:34:56Julie Piatt?

  Yes.

• 1:34:57Rich Roll?

  So it's like this alien, it's like it came down from the aliens or something like that.

• 1:35:01Julie Piatt?

  What's so incredibly just magnificent is when he chants, first of all, he chants like no other being I've ever heard in my life, but when he actually speaks the language and chants, it sounds like this magical cosmic language. It's quite amazing.

• 1:35:22Rich Roll?

  Like it's out of like Lord of the Rings or something like that?

• 1:35:24Julie Piatt?

  Yeah, it's like better, it's just crazy. It's so gorgeous. And, you know, he says, "We're all, we are all Sanskrit because it is the first language of this realm." Realm, there, I use the word realm, how awesome is that? Yeah, it's cool. And, you know, he's not, I've been trying to get him to come on the podcast.

• 1:35:45Rich Roll?

  Yeah, I mean, he'd make a great podcast guest, actually.

• 1:35:48Julie Piatt?

  He may do it at some point.

• 1:35:49Rich Roll?

  He's super dialed in on his nutrition information and everything. The difference between that guy and some of these other guys that I've met is that he's very much in the world, like he's this, like you say, cosmic professor and he can pontificate for hours and hours and hours on basically any subject that you give him. So he's a natural talker, you know, I think he would be good.

• 1:36:09Julie Piatt?

  No, he'd be amazing.

• 1:36:10Rich Roll?

  Is he gonna come on? What's his deal?

• 1:36:12Julie Piatt?

  He said, he said, he said, "Not yet." You know, he's very, his mission is to preserve the ancient Sanskrit teachings in every aspect. We are not allowed to post anything, there's no social media allowed.

• 1:36:29Rich Roll?

  But isn't, isn't sort of spreading awareness and consciousness in that regard a way of preserving it by creating?

• 1:36:37Julie Piatt?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:38Rich Roll?

  A record?

• 1:36:39Julie Piatt?

  They have a...

• 1:36:39Rich Roll?

  And if he's on the podcast and talking, then I'm not, I'm not... Twisting his words, like he can say what he wants to say and that creates more preservation for his ideas.

• 1:36:50Julie Piatt?

  Yeah, and that's why, that's why I think he hasn't said an outright no to me. But it's not the time. He's, um, he's very, very, very transparently authentic in what he's doing. And spirituality in this country and other countries have, has been, um, you know, made a kind of a, a farce in a lot of ways. I mean, I've had a lot of those journeys and I mean, I'm, I cherish all of those journeys. So I wouldn't trade them for anything, but you know, I can't say they were in perfect resonance, you know? And so he's, he's being extremely responsible and it's, and it's cool and it feels really good because he's, he's pure.

• 1:37:31Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 1:37:32Julie Piatt?

  So.

• 1:37:33Rich Roll?

  So are you gonna sleep on the floor?

• 1:37:34Julie Piatt?

  No.

• 1:37:34Rich Roll?

  Where are you going?

• 1:37:35Julie Piatt?

  I'm not.

• 1:37:36Rich Roll?

  Where are you?

• 1:37:37Julie Piatt?

  I love my bed.

• 1:37:38Rich Roll?

  No, I mean, you're going, no, I mean, at this retreat, what are you doing? Like, I don't even know what's going on.

• 1:37:43Julie Piatt?

  Honey, don't, I'll be back in a few days.

• 1:37:45Rich Roll?

  All right.

• 1:37:46Julie Piatt?

  Don't, don't you worry. Don't worry your head. No. No, I'm, I don't know, I'm sleeping.

• 1:37:51Rich Roll?

  Mathis and I will be sleeping on the roof.

• 1:37:52Julie Piatt?

  I'm going, uh, I'm going to a place, to the retreat and I'm sure they'll have a bed there for me.

• 1:37:58Rich Roll?

  Hmm.

• 1:37:59Julie Piatt?

  It's gonna be fine.

• 1:38:00Rich Roll?

  All right, cool.

• 1:38:01Julie Piatt?

  Okay.

• 1:38:02Rich Roll?

  What else is coming up?

• 1:38:03Julie Piatt?

  I actually wanna say, what, before we, I just wanna say one thing about childbirth because I'm sharing, I'm sharing this very intimate video, and it's not a video, well, yeah, it is, it's still images and video. I wanna make sure that new parents and new mothers out there understand that, um, you know, there is no perfect birth experience, like according to the book. Like, you're not a better mother if you had, if you, you know, did it naturally and you did it at home, or if you breastfed until the child is four years old, or, you know, all of these rules and things that you read about. And. Everybody's different and everybody has a unique experience. And whatever that experience is, of course breast milk is best.

• 1:38:47Julie Piatt?

  Of course, I advocate taking our power back into childbirthing practices. I mean, when did women give all this power away to men and doctors, male doctors and also doctors, to determine how we have our children? I mean, it's absurd when you think about it. In my own experience, I didn't break those paradigms. I didn't break through those experiences. And I had a very blended experience. So I had a block, but I was dilated a lot. I didn't have any problem in childbirth. But yet I was very sick during the entire pregnancy. Another person may have had natural labor and had the child completely naturally.

• 1:39:31Julie Piatt?

  I had a big challenge with nursing my first two boys. I only made it probably two months. And then I made it probably eight months with my girls. I will tell you that it did not affect my ability to bond with my boys at all. And as a matter of fact, I have a much closer relationship with them than most parents. So what I'm just saying is, whatever life gives you, whether you end up with a C-section, whether you end up nursing for three years or four years, it's your own experience. And apply that divine perspective to it. Honor it as such, and you're going to be fine.

• 1:40:15Rich Roll?

  All right, beautifully said.

• 1:40:16Julie Piatt?

  Somebody asked me that. I'm sorry, Twitter person. I can't remember your name right now.

• 1:40:21Rich Roll?

  What did they ask you?

• 1:40:22Julie Piatt?

  They asked me to talk about childbirth and someone who's about to become a new parent. And we were already thinking about doing this. So I said, "Thank you, I will do it." And now I'm forgetting the beautiful person's name right now. Twitter panel.

• 1:40:38Rich Roll?

  If you remember it, I'll put it in the show notes.

• 1:40:40Julie Piatt?

  Oh, okay, cool. Awesome.

• 1:40:43Rich Roll?

  Cool, well, I think we did it.

• 1:40:44Julie Piatt?

  Was that it?

• 1:40:45Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:45Julie Piatt?

  So what's the dearest thing that you find in community? For you? I know it's your show, but I'm just going to ask this question.

• 1:40:57Rich Roll?

  The dearest thing that I find in community?

• 1:41:01Rich Roll?

  Strength, you know, it's power. You can't, you know, as one person, you can only do so much, but with a community, you can do anything. And I think that we overlook that, you know, we're in our cars, we're in our houses, you're in an apartment building, you don't know your neighbors, there are people all around us and we unnecessarily isolate ourselves. And then we think we're connected because we're on, staring at our phone on Facebook when there are people right in front of us. And I think that it's incumbent upon us to, you know, reach out and create that 3D community

• 1:41:43Rich Roll?

  of real people that you can rely on, that you're willing to invest in, that you're willing to share on a deep level and be vulnerable with, because those are the people that are going to come to your aid when you need it. And likewise, you need to do the same for others. And that bond that's created by doing that is incredibly empowering. And it's saved my life, it's allowed me to do many, many things in my life I didn't think I was capable of. And every time I think that I can do these things alone is when I'm starting down the road to failure. So I can't overstate it enough.

• 1:42:22Julie Piatt?

  It's beautiful.

• 1:42:25Rich Roll?

  What about you?

• 1:42:26Julie Piatt?

  I would say for me, it's love and connection. You know, just it makes life more meaningful when you have it to share with other people. And, you know, I have to say that, you know, our children are a part of our marriage, you know, and I think that's why we renewed our vows. It's a, without them, we wouldn't be who we are. And without, similarly, without all the podcast fans, without everybody that's in this plant power movement, without everybody that's reached out to us, we wouldn't be who we are. And it's like in those moments of darkness where we thought everything we were doing, we were questioning everything, we thought, oh my gosh, like, what are we doing?

• 1:43:07Julie Piatt?

  We would always receive a message from someone that would share their experience and it would get us through another day. And without that, I don't think we would have made it. And so, you know, really, truly, from our hearts and our souls, you know, we recognize you, the community at large, and you are dear to us, and we do feel connected to you. And even if we don't know you, you know, your name or your face, we don't take this experience for granted, ever, for one moment. And you're all extremely dear to us.

• 1:43:48Julie Piatt?

  And so, thank you so much for joining with us.

• 1:43:53Rich Roll?

  For sure. And, you know, so much has changed since episode one, and yet so many things are the same. You know, when I was listening to the first episode this morning, it was Tyler and our nephew Harrison, sitting right next to us as we recorded the first one. And it was Tyler and Harrison that came up with the theme music for the show, which they wrote in an hour in Hawaii. And I thought, this will just be placeholder until they have the time to think of something different, or they want to improve it. And we're at episode 100, and it's still the theme music. And just before recording this

• 1:44:34Rich Roll?

  episode, they were here in the garage, strumming the guitar, and setting up the audio equipment in the exact same way that they were doing on episode one, which is a beautiful thing, right? And now Tyler produces the show, and it's Tyler that does all the music, the interstitial music, and edits the show and gets it up on the site. And I love the fact that we've kept that in the family like that, you know, which is, again, goes back to community.

• 1:45:02Julie Piatt?

  That's beautiful.

• 1:45:04Rich Roll?

  So there you have it.

• 1:45:06Julie Piatt?

  So there you have it.

• 1:45:07Rich Roll?

  All right, you guys, to echo Julie Srimati, thank you for taking this leap and going on this journey with us. I promise you, the next 100 episodes will be better than the first 100 episodes. We're going to continue to improve the show and to grow it as best we can. So thank you for listening. Thank you for your support. Thank you for telling a friend. Thank you for using the Amazon banner ad at ritual.com. Thank you for all the social media posts and for sharing the show on Instagram, which I love. That's still my favorite when people take pictures of Instagram saying, "I'm running," or "I'm here, I'm sitting by a lake, listening to the podcast," or whatever.

• 1:45:51Rich Roll?

  It's so cool to get a visual of that, and it really hammers home like just how amazing this community can be. And I dig it. So, thank you, guys. If you want to dial in on Julie and dig her mission a little bit more, go to srimati.com, S-R-I-M-A-I-M-A-T-I, s-r-i-m-a-t-i.com, and get the Rich Roll Podcast app. I'm so excited about this. You can just click on the App Store on your iPhone and search Rich Roll, and it'll pull it right up. Or there's direct hyperlinks on my website on the page for this episode. And I also just

• 1:46:36Rich Roll?

  posted a blog post about it today. We're offering 15% off on your Plant Power Provisions purchases starting today through Wednesday. I'm not sure exactly what time it expires. But if you want more information on how to get that rebate, subscribe to my newsletter at richroll.com, and you'll get the email blast that'll give you the code that you need to get the discount. Or go to my site, richroll.com, and I have a blog post up where it gives you everything that you need for that. What else?

• 1:47:12Julie Piatt?

  One more thing. And if any of the families like Stacy's work and feel drawn to it, you can contact her through Ribbonhead. We'll have the links down there. She's an extraordinary family photographer. She takes amazing, amazing, amazing family images, and she's photographed her family for over 20 years.

• 1:47:32Rich Roll?

  Yeah, she's been with us for a long time. And her website's ribbonhead.com, but I'll put a link up to that in the show notes. So, dig that. In terms of accessing your best, most authentic self, maybe you want to check out my online course at Mind Body Green, The Art of Living with Purpose. It's about how to unlock. It's about how to go within. It's about how to... Develop a deeper connection and relationship with yourself. It's about goal setting and it's about goal achieving. And you can find that at mindbodygreen.com. We also have our Ultimate Guide to Plant-Based Nutrition online course, also at mindbodygreen.com. Both of these courses are multiple hours of streaming video and online community

• 1:48:16Rich Roll?

  and downloadable tools, and they're pretty cool. So you could dig on that. Again, thanks for all the support. Thanks for telling a friend. Thanks for all the donations. We appreciate that, using the Amazon banner at richroll.com. And I'm going to leave you guys with an assignment for next week. You didn't know how to do this. See, you don't even listen to the podcast.

• 1:48:35Julie Piatt?

  For me too?

• 1:48:36Rich Roll?

  I've been giving people homework. No, I've been giving people homework at the end.

• 1:48:39Julie Piatt?

  I love that.

• 1:48:40Rich Roll?

  See, if you've listened to the podcast, then you would know.

• 1:48:42Julie Piatt?

  If I listen to the podcast, then I wouldn't be launching a homeschool revolution next week.

• 1:48:46Rich Roll?

  All right. No, so the assignment-

• 1:48:47Julie Piatt?

  Your dinner wouldn't be ready.

• 1:48:49Rich Roll?

  Right, well, okay. Make sure my dinner's ready.

• 1:48:51Julie Piatt?

  Okay.

• 1:48:52Rich Roll?

  So it would be great if everybody this week reached out to somebody and started to exercise their muscles in terms of developing their own community, right?

• 1:49:05Julie Piatt?

  So cool.

• 1:49:06Rich Roll?

  Start, take out a piece of paper and write down who you want to be on your board of advisors. I think that's a good way to start.

• 1:49:13Julie Piatt?

  It's a great way.

• 1:49:14Rich Roll?

  Who are the people in your life that are living lives that you aspire to, that you respect, the people that you look up to, the people that have a certain level of knowledge or acumen or acuity that you would like to, that you would like to model, that you aspire to have? And write those people down. Maybe they're people that like you work with or live down the street, or maybe they're, they're sort of more people that you don't know, but you would like to know. But I would say shoot for the stars. Write down that list of people and figure out a strategy for how to connect with them more deeply, you know? Maybe just call that guy up and say, hey, I want to, I want to go out to dinner with you. I need some advice. Can you help me out? I'm struggling with this thing in my job or my career. I'm trying to figure out what I'm going to do next, whatever.

• 1:49:59Rich Roll?

  Like, start to-

• 1:50:02Rich Roll?

  Allow yourself to rely on other people to light your path.

• 1:50:06Julie Piatt?

  Can I share one more thing?

• 1:50:10Rich Roll?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:11Julie Piatt?

  So when we were at Catalyst Week last week, we had this reciprocity circle.

• 1:50:16Rich Roll?

  Oh, yeah, that's a cool story.

• 1:50:17Julie Piatt?

  Yeah, I just wanted to do the good now. He's not mad at me.

• 1:50:19Rich Roll?

  It definitely...

• 1:50:20Julie Piatt?

  He was like, "That was my end."

• 1:50:21Rich Roll?

  It plays into the assignment, right?

• 1:50:22Julie Piatt?

  No, exactly. So Amanda Slavin, who is the founder of Catalyst Creative, it's a community, it's actually an event company. And they host these creative weeks and speaker series weeks in Las Vegas in the new Downtown Project, which is founded by Tony Shay of Zappos. And the boys and I went a couple of weeks ago. We performed there. And we were part of this amazing week with like 50 other artists. And the final day, we met in a room and Amanda said, "Okay, we're gonna do a reciprocity circle." And everybody was like, "What's that?" So we got in a circle and everybody got to go around and share like three minutes or less with the community and literally ask for help.

• 1:51:05Julie Piatt?

  You know, "I need help with this. I need help with..." You know, it could be whatever. And I have to say, the experience was completely transformative. It was the deepest bonding experience I've ever had in a group. And also, the synchronicities were crazy. Like, someone would say, "You know, I wanna dance, but I wanna do it, you know, in a purple room and I wanna be eating cupcakes." Like, something that just was totally stupid. You were like, "There's no way." And then someone in the group would go, "I have that, you know. My roommate does that."

• 1:51:34Rich Roll?

  I know the guy that you need to talk to.

• 1:51:36Julie Piatt?

  It was uncanny, like, across the board, every single person. And actually, Amanda wrote an article in the Huffington Post yesterday and she mentioned me because there was one of our group, Ethan, who's this incredible, incredible artist. And he's a singer and he's, you know, he's just incredibly engaging. And he has a garment company. But he had separated himself from the garment company and any of its marketing. And so he was asking for ideas on how to build his business. And I was just like, "Dude, like, I wanna know everything about..." About you, I want to know who your friends are, what you're eating for breakfast, like, what's your favorite music? I want to hear you sing. Like, where are you, like, behind this garment company?

• 1:52:21Rich Roll?

  Right, like, why is he not the face of that?

• 1:52:22Julie Piatt?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:23Rich Roll?

  Like, the most interesting thing about the garment company is him, and he wasn't able to see that, or he wasn't able to allow himself to be that.

• 1:52:29Julie Piatt?

  Exactly, and so

• 1:52:30Rich Roll?

  Right.

• 1:52:31Julie Piatt?

  I gave him a little, kind of, you know, mama, like, you know, direct advice, you know? I kind of just told him, and then I said, and, you know, and don't waste time, and do it immediately, because he has all the skill to do it. He doesn't have a learning curve, he's naturally like that. And so Amanda was sharing about him in this article, and, um, his name is, of course, I can't remember his last name, it's like Lips, it's L-I-P-T-Z.

• 1:52:55Rich Roll?

  I'll put a link to the article.

• 1:52:56Julie Piatt?

  Sorry, Ethan, I said your last name wrong, I'm sure, but, but anyway, um, it was just incredibly bonding, and it was amazing for me, because I took my boys, Tyler and Trapper, and then Harrison also joined us, so I had my, my band with me, and they all participated in the circle, and it was extremely transformative for them. So they, they got all these community members in Los Feliz, these people that they connected with, that are going to mentor them and help them. And as a mother, it was like, we left Las Vegas, and we, we literally sang the entire way home. We were singing at the top of our lungs for five hours.

• 1:53:30Rich Roll?

  You were the only people leaving Las Vegas uplifted and, and feeling enlightened by the experience of

• 1:53:35Julie Piatt?

  Yeah, we didn't drink, or smoke, or gamble. Uh, we ate, oh, we ate beautiful raw food, um, there, at the Downtown Project, and I also

• 1:53:45Rich Roll?

  Yeah, what's happening in downtown Las Vegas is pretty cool, and I think I've talked about it before on the show, but just to recap really quickly, Tony Shea, who's CEO of Zappos.com, which is sort of, it was bought by Amazon, but it's sort of like an Amazon service, they specialize in shoes. They moved their corporate headquarters into the old city hall building in downtown Las Vegas, off the strip, like, way, you know, in a different part of town, that has sort of become decrepit and downtrodden, and he's trying to revitalize it and breathe new life into it. And he spent, like, 200 million of his own dollars and bought up, like, like, six square blocks of this downtown Sector and he's trying to create like a startup friendly environment and breathe

• 1:54:27Rich Roll?

  young new youthful energy into this place and he's bought all these like gigantic sculptures from Burning Man. So there's like a fire breathing praying mantis in this container park and there's, you know, kids riding around on fixie bikes. Like it's not what you would imagine Las Vegas to be and there's startups happening there and there's a vitality and a sense of energy and it's still early in the process, but it's inspiring because basically, you know, at its core, he's saying, I want to, I want to create a different version of community, the way that I see it. And he's putting his money where his mouth is and Catalyst Week is, is really an extension of that to bring in inspiring, interesting people to experience

• 1:55:07Rich Roll?

  what's happening in downtown Las Vegas and to share and to use Amanda's term, what does she

• 1:55:13Julie Piatt?

  Collision.

• 1:55:13Rich Roll?

  Collision, you know, like these people are colliding and then these ideas get exchanged and then, and then, you know, as a result of that, things happen. And a good example of that is that I had Robin Arzon on the podcast last week and I met her at Catalyst Week and she was a huge hit on the podcast. People dug her. I didn't know who she was before Catalyst Week and we had never met and I'm so glad to have her in my life and I'm super proud to be able to share her story with this audience. So that's just a small example of a, of many things that are happening there. But I think in the terms of the reciprocity circle, you know, to have Tyler, like our son, say, I need help with this and to have somebody with experience in what he's interested in, say, hey, I'll help you with that. Like, I'm gonna,

• 1:55:57Rich Roll?

  I'm gonna hook you up, you know, is, is invaluable. It's, it's really a special, cool thing.

• 1:56:02Julie Piatt?

  That's amazing. And actually, the listener is going to be great because Amanda Slavin is going to be a guest on the podcast coming up very soon.

• 1:56:08Rich Roll?

  That's right. I think we're sitting down next week.

• 1:56:10Julie Piatt?

  Yeah, she's amazing and it's, it's so inspiring and nothing but goodness comes out of these weeks. It's, it's really, it's really quite something. And again, it's community.

• 1:56:21Rich Roll?

  Right. So all the more reason to appoint your board of advisors.

• 1:56:26Julie Piatt?

  Do it.

• 1:56:26Rich Roll?

  Maybe create your own reciprocity circle.

• 1:56:28Julie Piatt?

  Do it.

• 1:56:29Rich Roll?

  In your own way, right?

• 1:56:30Julie Piatt?

  Do it. Let us know how it works out.

• 1:56:31Rich Roll?

  All right, you guys. Thanks so much. That's it for episode 100. I can't believe it's been 100. And you know what? We're going to blink and then there's going to be 500.

• 1:56:40Julie Piatt?

  It's so amazing.

• 1:56:41Rich Roll?

  That's what I'm feeling. All right?

• 1:56:42Julie Piatt?

  Thanks, honey. Thanks for all your amazing work, Rich, on the podcast.

• 1:56:46Rich Roll?

  Thank you.

• 1:56:46Julie Piatt?

  It's been incredible. And you've done an amazing job on this podcast.

• 1:56:50Rich Roll?

  Thank you.

• 1:56:50Julie Piatt?

  I want to just thank you.

• 1:56:51Rich Roll?

  Thank you. And thanks for being my sometime co-host and guest today.

• 1:56:57Julie Piatt?

  You're welcome, honey.

• 1:56:58Rich Roll?

  And that concludes episode 100.

• 1:57:00Julie Piatt?

  There you go.

• 1:57:01Rich Roll?

  Peace. Plants.

• 1:57:04Julie Piatt?

  Namaste.