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00:00:00 THIS CAR POD!
00:00:47 Another New Corvette
00:06:06 BMW M2 Track Package
00:08:36 The "New" Maserati
00:14:48 Mazda CX-5 Goes Touchscreen
00:18:14 The New Waymo
00:25:16 Porsche Prices Continue To Increase
00:30:41 Range Rover's New Logo
00:33:17 New Car Movie
00:35:27 Talk Cars
00:35:43 Doug's G-Cab Crosses 100k
00:40:41 There's a Chance Filippo Buys A 911
00:45:14 Nick Cant Find a Fiat Multipla
00:47:30 Market Report
00:51:05 Nick Met Ed Bolian
00:56:32 Community Questions
00:57:41 What Are Modern Poster Cars?
01:00:24 Thoughts On PPF?
01:05:16 Would You Do A Top Gear Style Roadtrip?
01:08:00 What Are Good Vs Bad Modifications?
01:13:02 Is Doug's Wiki Page Accurate?
01:14:42 How Hard Is It To Ship A Car to Europe?
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1:04 Doug DeMuro? Hello and welcome to this car pod. I'm Filippo.
1:09 Speaker 03 I'm Nick, filling in for Kenan.
1:11 Doug DeMuro? Kenan is away. Kenan's in Europe right now, gallivanting through the old country. And so instead, we have Nick wearing an E39M5 shirt. Is that a memorial for Kenan?
1:22 Speaker 03 Yes, although his E39 did fall through, so I think he's in an X3 in Europe. So look for a very particular handsome fellow driving an X3. It might be him.
1:30 Doug DeMuro? Can I ask you a question? Are you gonna act like Nick today? Or are you gonna act like Kenan today? What is the plan?
1:34 Speaker 03 I have no ability to act like others.
1:37 Doug DeMuro? By the way, if you want to buy that T-shirt, merch.lazebis.com.
1:43 Doug DeMuro? You have no ability to act like others, and certainly, nobody has the ability to act like Kenan. All right, let's start with our first news story, which is Corvette news. Corvette is coming out. Chevy's coming out with this ZR1X. Here's how this went. They came out with the Corvette, then they came out. That was 20, by the way. That's six years ago. Wow. It's five and a half years. It came out like right at COVID.
2:03 Speaker 04 I remember the first one we auctioned, like truly remember distinctly.
2:07 Doug DeMuro? So that was five and a half years ago. C8's been out. It's crazy to imagine.
2:11 Doug DeMuro? Then they came out Z06, then they came out with E-Ray, which was basically a Z06 with a hybrid electric in the front. Then they came out with ZR1, then they came out with ZR1X, which was basically a 01 with the hybrid electric in the front. Now, a Chevy engineer has been quoted as saying that the ZR1X isn't the end of the story, it is merely the next chapter. Everybody on the internet is interpreting this to mean that there will be a more powerful version. I don't necessarily think that. I think that more likely, there're gonna be a facelift or something like that, you know? Like, I don't think they're gonna be able to beat the horsepower number of the ZR1X, which is, I've forgotten it, but it's 1,250.
2:47 Speaker 04 They will need to refresh the car more extensively than they have. I think we also can guess that they will continue to make mid-engine Corvettes. So now that the story doesn't mean this generation CA Corvette. We're getting, I assume they're thinking about C9 Corvette, and so maybe that's what they made. It's become time.
3:06 Doug DeMuro? I think, no, I think it was actually, the comment was specific, specific to the C8.
3:13 Speaker 04 Interesting.
3:14 Doug DeMuro? Maybe not, though. Interview with Top Gear, he said it is not the end of the story, just a new, the next chapter. So yeah, maybe it's referring to a C9.
3:22 Speaker 04 C5 was, from memory, 98 to 05, so seven years. C6 was 06 to 2013, seven years. C7 was 14 to 19, shorter run. But we're getting at the point where the C8 needs to be reimagined for the C9. They just did their mid-cycle refresh. I assume in the next year or two, we'll start seeing leaks of the next generation Corvette.
3:45 Doug DeMuro? I can't imagine they're gonna just- I'm gonna, I'm gonna pill in for Kenon here on the pedantry. Those first two generations were actually eight years. Because 98 to 05, if you really add up the numbers, anyway.
4:00 Speaker 04 Nice to know.
4:00 Doug DeMuro? Unlike the Corvettes that you just mentioned. The demand and the excitement around C8 has been so strong that I wouldn't be surprised if this generation lasted a little longer. Keep in mind, although you trimmed to C5, C6, and C7, you conveniently left out C4, which lasted from 83 to 96, right?
4:16 Speaker 04 Wow.
4:17 Doug DeMuro? So at the end, which was 14 years, even in Kennonville. And so it is a possibility that this generation, in my opinion, it probably will last a little longer because there's been so much interest in the car and they're still selling well. So, you know, who knows what's still coming, but maybe a manual.
4:33 Speaker 03 I just, I can't see how you keep taking the power further or keep doing a meaningful iteration here, other than like special editions and stickers and like appearance packages and stuff, which they are good at. And you have to look at the Dodge playbook and say, all right, well, we'll have the last call, the just kidding edition, the jailbreak edition. I mean, they just got like insane, but it worked every time, even if you were playing your customers to be suckers, which a lot of them ended up being.
5:00 Doug DeMuro? I don't think that's exactly what happened there. Those cars were all really cool, legit.
5:04 Speaker 04 We'll ignore that the Rango SRT lawsuit.
5:07 Speaker 03 I mean, Porsche does this too, right? You have the ST, you've got, they're good at coming up with special editions. So maybe it's just a marketing play.
5:14 Doug DeMuro? Felipe, Felipe, pull up that endurance racing edition. Pull up that endurance racing edition. We had this on the site the other day. It didn't sell. Nick's going to tell you why it didn't sell here in a second.
5:22 Speaker 03 The C8R, where initially it was just like neon green?
5:26 Doug DeMuro? No, this was a 911. What do you think of this, Nick? Nick, why do you think this car failed to meet reserve?
5:30 Speaker 03 I think it was too subtle of an appearance package for most buyers.
5:34 Speaker 04 Do you know what it included? It included legitimately exterior graphics and some like packages as standard, but they only made 73 for the US market.
5:43 Doug DeMuro? Can I tell you something? Can I do something? In 25 years, that car is worth double a regular 991. I'm not joking. That's how Porsche people are. Oh my God, I got an endurance racing edition. It's so...
5:54 Speaker 03 If it doubles every seven years, it'll keep up with the S and P 500 index fund and still be a bad investment.
6:02 Doug DeMuro? Right. Anyways, ZR1, ZR1X, I'm excited to see what might lurk in the Corvette realm. I will say the C8 has been immensely successful, immensely popular. The platform has spawned some truly amazing cars. This really has been the resurgence of the Corvette that we haven't seen since the C2. In our generation, this is like a really, really big. Thing and I am curious to see where they, you know, how they continue to iterate considering they've already done all wheel drive. They've done hybrid. They've done 1200 horsepower. Like, what else do you do?
6:32 Speaker 03 It's hard to come up with new ideas.
6:34 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
6:34 Speaker 03 At that stage.
6:35 Speaker 04 Got to keep doubling 2400 horsepower.
6:38 Speaker 03 Let's go there.
6:38 Doug DeMuro? They'll do a six. Maybe they'll do a six wheel.
6:40 Speaker 03 One. If you're listening, shooting brake concept, please, please give me like a hot hatch.
6:44 Speaker 04 Aero wagon if you will.
6:45 Speaker 03 That'd be sick.
6:46 Doug DeMuro? This is some, this is some Whistlin Diesel stuff.
6:48 Speaker 03 Yeah. That's true. We do. We need a Storato edition. That is what they need to do next.
6:53 Speaker 04 That is a good idea.
6:54 Doug DeMuro? That would be cool. That would be cool.
6:55 Speaker 03 I'd buy it.
6:56 Doug DeMuro? So cool that I guarantee Chevy won't do it. They won't even make a Bronco competitor. The Broncos are here selling, the Broncos are here selling 200,000 units a year. Chevy's like, nah, we're going to stick with the tracks. Um, okay. Give us our next news story, please. Trash car. Ah, yes. Nick, did you see this?
7:11 Speaker 03 Uh, just now for the first time.
7:14 Speaker 04 How can you see it through the camo?
7:15 Speaker 03 It's, it's a BMW M2 with, with camo.
7:19 Doug DeMuro? But this is actually kind of cool. They're going to make a performance track package for the M2, um, which I think is kind of a neat idea. It's going to have like a wing and I bring this up because we're selling cars, we're selling enthusiast cars.
7:34 Speaker 03 Yeah.
7:34 Doug DeMuro? This is the one. Don't you think? Like this is it. Like you get this thing with a manual transmission and the, the, it's going to be rare and there's probably, they haven't announced much about it, but it's rare. There's going to be, you know, a big wing. There, obviously they've put the fenders under camo, so they're going to be flared. Like this is the one. This is going to be cool. And I'm sure people hate it when it comes out, which makes it even more desirable.
7:56 Speaker 04 But isn't that what the M4 CSL was or is, still is? Like, is this just a CSL M2?
8:03 Doug DeMuro? I don't think it's going to go as far as that. I think it's just like a track package, like maybe a couple extra horsepower, wing, fenders, seats, like the CSL had some significant weight lightning and, and it was considerably more expensive as a result of that. All those cars are. Um, but this is the purists one. This is like, if you just want a regular M2, but you want a little more go fast goodies. Nick, you want to talk about beating the S and P? Buy one of these and then also put a lot of money in the S and P and the money in the S and P will do better.
8:31 Speaker 03 I think I'd rather just mod a normal M2 and add a wing and wheels and carbon fenders.
8:36 Doug DeMuro? That's not going to, that's not going to gain value.
8:39 Speaker 03 They'll do it better. Um, no, actually I do think this is, if you're going to take your M2 to a track or any BMW, this is probably the one to get. The price will determine whether this is a flop or a smash success.
8:50 Speaker 04 Also, the M2 is a great car.
8:52 Doug DeMuro? They have not announced pricing yet. Yeah, the M2 is a great car, and I think with widened fenders, it would be even greater.
8:58 Speaker 04 Yeah.
8:59 Doug DeMuro? I think with the big wing, I don't know, but it'll be fine.
9:02 Speaker 04 We're not wing men, but.
9:03 Doug DeMuro? It'll, no, Nick is, are you kidding?
9:05 Speaker 04 That's so true.
9:06 Speaker 03 Felipe and I are gonna Rocket Bunny an M2 in our garage, smoking some cigarettes.
9:10 Doug DeMuro? Felipe, when I met Nick, he had a TTRS with a wing, no joke, the size of a picnic table. He had, get it?
9:17 Speaker 04 They come with wings.
9:18 Doug DeMuro? He had taken it from a GT3RS, and he had welded it on top of the existing wing.
9:24 Speaker 04 Yep, downforce.
9:25 Doug DeMuro? Double wing like a 90's Escort Cosworth.
9:28 Speaker 03 The, the understeer is notoriously fixed by giant wings in the back.
9:31 Speaker 04 Famously.
9:33 Doug DeMuro? I can't, you're gonna buy a stall wheel drive, okay?
9:35 Speaker 03 Oh, baloney. Understeer.
9:39 Doug DeMuro? All right, give us our next news story, please. This one's my very favorite news story of the year.
9:42 Speaker 04 It's the most important by far.
9:44 Doug DeMuro? I want to be very clear about this. I want to be very, very clear about this. Maserati, and my apologies to the folks at Maserati, who I'm sure we've greatly offended over the years. Maserati's name has come out with the MC20. Now, in my mind, this is still a new car, but it came out in 20. And, um, I haven't seen one.
10:03 Speaker 04 I have seen one. It was crashed during a test drive and at the local, like, high-end body shop. The only time I've ever seen one.
10:11 Doug DeMuro? Have you seen a Mc20?
10:12 Speaker 03 Outside of a dealership, probably not. It would be rare.
10:17 Doug DeMuro? Like, maybe at Cars and Coffee. So.
10:19 Speaker 03 Maybe.
10:20 Doug DeMuro? Um, anyway, they've decided, they've announced that because the, the MC20 is now five years old somehow, uh, they're going to rename it, they're gonna facelift it and rename it the McPura.
10:32 Speaker 04 Oh.
10:32 Doug DeMuro? The McPura.
10:34 Speaker 04 Oh, why?
10:36 Doug DeMuro? It's, it's a, it's a McDonald's promo title, I think. It's like, it's like.
10:41 Speaker 04 They need the money, so I'll, I'll accept that.
10:43 Speaker 03 What's the most wild about it is, there's no bump in horsepower, there's no change to the engine, there's no change to the drivetrain. The visual changes are almost impossible to identify, even if you had them parked next to each other. So all they did was roll out this name, which is pretty weak, to say the least.
10:58 Doug DeMuro? Okay, I want to be clear. I want to be clear. The actual name is MC Pura or Pura. We will not refer to it as that. We were gonna only call it the McPura, or maybe the McPura, depending on your interpretation.
11:10 Speaker 04 Right.
11:11 Doug DeMuro? Uh, for the rest of our podcast's history.
11:14 Speaker 04 I, can I ask? I know that Maserati has an MC line on some cars.
11:19 Speaker 03 Yes.
11:20 Speaker 04 Your Quattroporte may have been an MC line car.
11:21 Speaker 03 Correct, yes.
11:22 Speaker 04 I don't, I can't think of any other tie to MC that they have. Like, why, why give it the number? The number was the only thing that connected it to any heritage fundamentally. They don't have another line of cars called the McGibly and the McQuattroporte.
11:35 Speaker 03 They shouldn't.
11:37 Doug DeMuro? They have done like an MC sport version of a lot of their cars. And I think that the real MC tie-in was intended to be the MC12, which came out in 2012.
11:45 Speaker 04 Yeah. They're only a good car.
11:47 Doug DeMuro? 12-cylinder, that's what it was.
11:48 Speaker 04 That's what it was, yeah.
11:49 Doug DeMuro? 12-cylinder, 2004.
11:51 Speaker 04 Yeah, close.
11:52 Doug DeMuro? But now, M20 seems old. It was in the past, it's like COVID-19, like.
11:56 Speaker 04 Right.
11:57 Doug DeMuro? Mick had COVID the other week. He was at a Trump, uh, he went to a Trump rally, he had a COVID the other week. And he, they're calling it COVID-25 now.
12:05 Speaker 04 Hmm, I mean, that, you know, why didn't they just update it to the MC25? It would have made more sense than MacPura.
12:11 Doug DeMuro? COVID pura, COVID pura.
12:12 Speaker 04 Do you think they're preparing for their like high-performance SUV? They can just call it the MacPura Sangue? Let's just like really connect it to the, their real important brands.
12:21 Speaker 03 I think pura is supposed to be like, it's, it's like a pure car simplified, like more track oriented. But like, it's just so similar to what they had. I think they're wasting a good rebrand. Like, I, I assume that if they were going to rebrand, they were going to do it for the Gran Turismo and said, oops, since no one can tell this in the previous gen apart, we'll at least give it a distinct name. But to do this and then not actually refresh the car, like, what's, what's, what's the point of drawing attention to the car? To say, oh, the car hasn't changed, but we all want you to pay attention to it again.
12:49 Speaker 04 The marketing department wanted to keep their jobs. And so they had to.
12:54 Speaker 03 They're all going to lose their jobs.
12:55 Speaker 04 But they needed to create a need for like the, that designer for that week.
12:59 Doug DeMuro? I got a question for you.
13:01 Speaker 04 There's a new letter.
13:02 Doug DeMuro? What do you think the base, what do you think the base sticker on this is?
13:05 Speaker 03 288.
13:05 Speaker 04 Yeah.
13:06 Speaker 03 And that's a guess.
13:06 Speaker 04 Thereabouts.
13:07 Doug DeMuro? Little, little less, 250. Would you rather have this or a 360 Challenge Stradale?
13:13 Speaker 03 There would be so many cars you would have to exhaust.
13:15 Speaker 04 I will say, I love the Mac pura. Like, I think it's a great looking car, truly. I think that's a looking car. Who doesn't love a nice V6?
13:23 Doug DeMuro? Who doesn't love a nice V6?
13:25 Speaker 03 If you've got 250, even if you say, I want to spend on a new car, like, you gotta look at an Aston, a Roma, whatever they're calling it now.
13:33 Speaker 04 I'm gonna be honest, these aren't trading at 250.
13:36 Speaker 03 Yeah, even at 200, it's a pretty tough sell. So, good luck to you.
13:40 Speaker 04 I mean, what's a Gran Turismo? 170? Some of that? Still thereabouts.
13:48 Doug DeMuro? I think a Gran Turismo is even more. Yeah, starts at 175.
13:51 Speaker 04 I would, I would pay up for the, the Mac pura or the Gran Turismo, all day, every day.
13:56 Doug DeMuro? I mean, that's obvious. I mean, the Gran Turismo is the most overpriced car in the history of, currently on sale. I mean, there's no doubt. That's a 175 car that is, that's a, that's a $48,000 car masquerading as a 175 car. I'm not, I think that's just like accurate. And honestly, I think that the, the prices that they're actually transacting at, I, I'd be curious if they're even cracking 150 on any of these deals.
14:16 Speaker 03 Yeah, I just, unless you're saying that there's only a Maserati dealership and no other cars for sale in 100 miles, like, the only time you'd be cross shopping the two vehicles is if like, hey, I have a friends and family discount, or my boyfriend is a sales manager at the dealership, kind of thing.
14:32 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, that's exactly right.
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15:48 Doug DeMuro? All right, what's our next news story? Do we have something good?
15:51 Speaker 04 Oh, yeah, something great. We got to talk about the Mazda CX-5. There's a new CX-5.
15:54 Doug DeMuro? Oh, my God, I saw this news story and I specifically didn't talk about it because it's C4. What do you got?
16:00 Speaker 04 We kind of, there's a new CX-5. It's like four inches longer than the old CX-5, same powertrain. They claim they've recalibrated it, same powertrain. Notably, for all the Mazda enthusiasts out there, there's now a touchscreen in the center, which is the first time Mazda has done that. They've been very focused on their little knob and not doing touchscreen, like having the touchscreen really recessed. Now it's like a normal interior, like normal modern interior. You might be wondering, but Felipe, there's a CX-50, which was already the slightly longer version of the CX-5. That still exists. Mazda believes that the CX-50 is for rugged enthusiasts, outdoorsy people. And the CX-5 is for urban people who drive over bricks. As shown in the photo.
16:40 Doug DeMuro? The irony of that is, and we're not going to get into what urban people means, but go to CX.
16:45 Speaker 04 That is, I think, language from their own PR department.
16:48 Doug DeMuro? Picture of the CX-50, pull up pictures CX-50. Now you'd think to yourself, okay, the CX-50 is for the rugged folk. All right, well, let's see, let's take a look at it.
16:56 Speaker 04 Look at that, that's rugged. Look at our rugged.
16:59 Doug DeMuro? That looks.
17:00 Speaker 04 Different.
17:01 Doug DeMuro? That's a car.
17:02 Speaker 04 Different car.
17:03 Doug DeMuro? New CX-5, pull up the new CX-5, right? Nick, I'm gonna do a quiz on this later. See if you can tell the part. All right. New CX-5.
17:12 Speaker 04 They look about as different as a McPura and a MC20. Look at that. The grill is different.
17:19 Speaker 03 The grill is distinct.
17:20 Doug DeMuro? I gotta ask you, why does, I mean, they're pitching one as rugged.
17:24 Speaker 04 Yeah, there's cladding.
17:26 Speaker 03 This reminds me, Doug, of Mercury Mountaineer versus the Ford Explorer or the Mazda Tribute. Like, it's bad engineering, but they're keeping the same badge on it.
17:34 Speaker 04 You know what's incredible? It's not even the same chassis. The CX-50 is based on the CX-30 chassis, and the CX-5 is based on a different one. Like, truly, they don't actually share that much in common, or at least the old CX-5 didn't.
17:43 Doug DeMuro? The Mountaineer was like the luxury one. Like, I don't think there's any distinctions. Now, I will say, with regards to touchscreen, I do want to make a little statement, a little point here. Many years ago, I reviewed some Mazda, God knows which, and I complained dearly about the knob control. I thought it was the stupidest thing I'd ever seen, and I lambasted it. And Mazda got mad at me, and they called me up and they said, "Look, we're gonna, you have to meet with our engineers and our designers." So I had lunch in San Diego. They came to San Diego, like, six of these people. This was like, these are guys who are all getting paid a lot of money. To take the full day to come down to San Diego is probably thousands of dollars for Mazda, right? They all come down, and they give me this explanation. They go through this whole thing. "Here's why we do the little button. Here's why we do the knob.
18:26 Doug DeMuro? It's less time looking away. The knob is safer. The knob is better. When you're controlling your favorites, it's a better situation. It's better. We've done all the studies. We've done all the research. We've done these eye tests where we look at the people's eyes when they're driving with the knob versus the touchscreen, and the eye test is better, and the knob is better." I'm seriously, I sat with them for six years, six years. And then now they're doing touchscreen. So, anyway.
18:48 Speaker 04 I will say, one fact about the CX-5. There is a CX-50 hybrid that's built on a Toyota assembly line or built alongside Toyotas and uses a Toyota hybrid system. The CX-5 in 2027, there'll be a hybrid one that uses an entirely different hybrid powertrain. But that's not for two years.
19:03 Speaker 03 There's probably a joke somewhere in here about getting rid of the knob and making it four inches longer, but...
19:08 Speaker 04 We're moving on from that. Yeah, yeah, no, we wouldn't make that joke.
19:11 Speaker 03 Yes, no. In honor of the McPura, we won't make that joke.
19:15 Doug DeMuro? All right, move on to the next one. What do you got?
19:16 Speaker 04 Okay. This is a Waymo. It's the new generation of Waymo vehicles. They've been spotted in testing still.
19:24 Speaker 04 And it looks so cool. It's based on a Zeeker van, which is a Chinese EV manufacturer. And it looks legitimately quite cool. Also, the first Chinese brand that I can think of really breaking into the US market, even though it's via fleet sales. Have you mentally accepted that you won't see Jaguar i-Paces around?
19:43 Speaker 03 I still see them quite a bit.
19:45 Speaker 04 Well, you can see them as Waymos. Everybody in San Francisco and now in like parts of LA and San Diego sees. The only Jaguar I pace I see are Waymos.
19:54 Speaker 03 At that rally I was at that Doug mentioned, we flipped a few over, I think. Uh, it does, it looks cool. I'm into it and I think from a visual standpoint, yes, it's an improvement. I personally would never trust a Waymo.
20:06 Speaker 04 Really? Have you ridden one?
20:08 Speaker 03 No, I would never get in one.
20:09 Speaker 04 It's great.
20:10 Speaker 03 It's taking jobs away from hardworking Americans, one. And two, you're trusting some tech company that like, like prides themselves on failing fast and hard. To like with, to drive a vehicle like I had no way, shape or form, I would rather walk.
20:26 Speaker 04 I, I would, whatever it's you to be a little bit more pro Tesla than that because they're also doing some autonomous driving stuff. But Waymo is the most.
20:32 Doug DeMuro? You're not gonna get an autonomous car? That's the stance you're gonna take.
20:35 Speaker 04 Waymo is the most serious one.
20:37 Speaker 03 It could be a free taxi and I'll be like, no, thank you. I'm good.
20:41 Speaker 04 You should, you should ride in one. Especially, okay, I've ridden in the back of an I-Pace, not the most comfortable vehicle, but Waymo did great. And I'm excited for this because this is like an actual human design space. I will say the front seat swivel in the Zeeker, whatever this is called. Uh, and I do wonder how they'll have it configured, like whether you can just sit in the front. But it's will be way better use of space as an autonomous car and you should try one. It's better than you expect.
21:03 Speaker 03 The, the lack of seat swiveling isn't really my concern. It's the safety here. And I have to think replacing Jaguar with a, an off-brand Chinese car is not exactly helping.
21:16 Speaker 04 Okay, also it's Jaguar, so like.
21:18 Speaker 03 All, it's all better. Jaguar had the E-Type, what did Zeeker have?
21:23 Doug DeMuro? Jaguar's off-brand too. Jaguar had the E-Type, God, give me a break. Um, okay, let me ask you this, Nick. Um, what would it take to get you into an autonomous car?
21:34 Speaker 03 Um, 20 to 30 years of R and D.
21:37 Speaker 04 They've had a, you should legitimately try one. Next time you and I are going somewhere, I'm gonna call Waymo.
21:43 Speaker 03 I am both ethically and morally opposed to it. Wait, those are the same thing.
21:47 Doug DeMuro? Felipe, do you agree that if the horse was being replaced right now, Nick would be like, I'm not giving up old, old Bluey?
21:54 Speaker 03 Yeah, dude, and I would have, I would have a sick stallion too. Like I, you'd be like, yeah, that's a, that's a nice horse. Like, I get it.
22:01 Speaker 04 You know when you asked if he was coming to this podcast as Kenan?
22:05 Speaker 03 Yeah, turns out.
22:06 Doug DeMuro? No, he's no, Kedden would never get on any of this road, although he would not also ride an autonomous.
22:11 Speaker 03 Yeah.
22:12 Doug DeMuro? Uh, okay, this is a boring story. I will say, uh, one interesting thing. Did you read the article about the Volkswagen bus in the journal?
22:18 Speaker 03 Yeah, that was a great one.
22:20 Doug DeMuro? I've not yet. All right. Journal did a big piece. I don't know why this is a news story. Greatest news story I ever read. Journal, Wall Street Journal, their big piece on the Volkswagen bus and how it's been a complete and utter flop.
22:29 Speaker 03 Um, it has.
22:31 Doug DeMuro? I think part of it is, I've, I've seen a few. I, I think it's the coolest car on sale. Like, I think it's the coolest car on sale. And I can't wait to buy it when they're used and what they're actually worth, which is probably like 40. Um, I think there was a bad product planning decision to only bring the long wheelbase. I think, um, that decision was made in the U.S. with Volkswagen of America and it was, it was the wrong decision because it ended up forcing the larger one, um, which is more costly and also looks a little weirder, honestly. And I don't necessarily think that minivan buyers are the buyers for the car. Um, I think it's like people who want to look cool and you look incredibly cool driving that thing around. Nick, are you thinking about an ID Buzz for your family?
23:13 Speaker 03 I, I, you know, that's why I like that article. I would absolutely love to put my family in it. I live in Encinitas, which is like a nice coastal surf town where there's still like, there's like weekly meets for air-cooled buses. Like it is, we are the target demo. And yeah, it's just for 70 for an EV. I'm just like not into it. And now the tax credits are going away and so. Buy it before September. I'm not buying it. This is your shot. But to Doug's point, if it were affordable or even mid-range, I would be so into it. And then at 70, you're just kind of like, eh.
23:44 Doug DeMuro? I gotta tell you, a couple of, a couple of appealing electric cars have come out. I'm not an EV guy. I, I, I went on a big rant last podcast about how I really strongly believe the government should continue to be these subsidies. To make EVs better and to make us competitive against China. And I really do believe that. I'm not personally in them, but a couple of appealing EVs have come out in the last couple of years. Obviously Rivian. But the electric G-Wagon and now the ID Buzz are both out. And I really like, like beyond, forget about the powertrain. Like, I think they're both just great cars regardless. Gas, electric, they're just great. And neither of them are selling. They are absolute duds. And I'm like here for this used situation.
24:23 Speaker 04 I know, it will be quite appealing. Apparently, it's incredibly hard to sell the G580 with EQ technology.
24:28 Doug DeMuro? Electric G-Wagons, you should go on Autotrader or whatever website you use to look up cars. Uh, electric G-Wagons are going cheap, cheap, cheap already. They're already like 30 back MSRP used for like, with like 800 miles on them.
24:41 Speaker 04 Yeah, it becomes appealing at a certain price. Uh, I want to get back to the story though, because there's two things I want to talk about regarding the Zeekr. First, like I said before, first like real Chinese entry in the US. There have been a couple of Chinese-built cars, uh, the S90L Volvo, for example. Uh, but this is like the first like really, truly Chinese brand in the US, even though it's not being sold to consumers. The other thing is IPaces are expensive and you gotta assume they're expensive to maintain. And these, uh, if you convert their Chinese, their cost in China to the US is like 40 grand per van. You assume Waymo got a deal. It's all new technologies, like they've updated their sensors, packaging, et cetera. It becomes really interesting to see if they can get, they bring price per unit down massively. That changes their business.
25:21 Speaker 03 Why don't they get tariffed?
25:24 Speaker 04 Uh, they may, I don't know. It's a very good question.
25:26 Speaker 03 Is that, I mean, like, does fleet sales give you a loophole? Or are they still paying 50%?
25:30 Speaker 04 I assume that they're, that they are indeed tariffed.
25:33 Doug DeMuro? Hey, Felipe, I got a question for you.
25:35 Speaker 04 Also, registration must be hard.
25:37 Doug DeMuro? Here on Nantucket, they have electric buses that are Chinese. So what's that about?
25:43 Speaker 04 Hope they don't need to buy a new one.
26:18 Speaker 04 I do wonder how regulation works around this, right? Like, this isn't US street legal. I, I, but there's so many exceptions made for like autonomous driving permits that presumably
26:28 Speaker 03 Right, and it's on a small scale now, so they can afford to overpay a little bit.
26:32 Speaker 04 But I'm excited to see them here, soon.
26:34 Speaker 03 I won't, I won't be buying the Zeker or the ID Buzz, but I am in the market for a nice Fisker Ocean if anyone's got a line. I got 14 grand in my, my pocket. Wire's ready.
26:43 Doug DeMuro? You could buy one tomorrow. I think you'll need about nine.
26:45 Speaker 04 Buy two.
26:46 Doug DeMuro? Give us our next news story.
26:49 Speaker 04 All right, Porsche, you're familiar with Porsche. You, you own a Porsche?
26:51 Speaker 03 I do.
26:52 Speaker 04 You guys are the two people who that, that own one. Uh, they've announced another set of price increases. They announced 2026, uh, nine 11 prices back in the spring and they went up pretty dramatically. They've now announced that pretty much across the lineup, there's a two to 4% price increase goes into effect the next month or two. Porsche was very careful not to say that they're tariff driven, but they are pretty clearly tariff driven, uh, cause the, those are applying to these cars when imported to the US.
27:20 Speaker 04 They just gotta, gotta recoup some of that cost. They're not passing across the full tariff amount, clearly, but they are trying to raise prices a little bit. That means that the cheapest nine 11 is over 130 grand, but these also apply to non nine
27:32 Doug DeMuro? How much is it? What is the cheapest nine 11 then?
27:34 Speaker 04 130 something, like 130 and some cents.
27:38 Doug DeMuro? Jeez.
27:39 Speaker 04 Sorry, I don't remember anymore, but.
27:41 Speaker 03 As someone who works in sales, my, my initial thought is they're raising it two to 4% because they can. Could be tariffs, it could be anything, but people will pay, there's a waitlist, they're selling, like until people, until they stop selling, keep raising your price.
27:55 Doug DeMuro? What's especially annoying to me about this whole situation is that eventually the tariffs will come off, whether it's with Trump or the, deep in the future or, or, or, you know, post-Trump, but regardless, the automakers aren't going to pull the prices back.
28:07 Speaker 03 Right.
28:07 Doug DeMuro? Like the increase in price that they're doing now, they're going to keep. Like, once they realize the consumers accept the new price, they're going to do it. And if Porsche raises the nine 11 to $135,000, then such and such raises the such and such, and then the next thing you know, a Miata costs another three grand, right?
28:23 Speaker 03 I think you're describing inflation.
28:26 Speaker 04 Yeah.
28:27 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but inflation that has been supercharged by the policies of the federal government.
28:33 Speaker 04 I will also note Porsche is struggling a fair amount with sales in Q2 and in 2025 as a whole because the Chinese market is weak right now. So and they're incredibly reliant on the US for a lot of their sales and they raising prices two to 4% is notable for them because it does also impact the Macan which now which went up 2.6%. The Panamera which went up 3.6% and the Kian which went up 3.6%. That puts them in a tough position.
28:58 Speaker 03 So people are driving self-driving Zeekers over in China and not 911s?
29:02 Speaker 04 The high-end market in China has remained quite active compared to like five years ago, but it has struggled a bit last year.
29:11 Doug DeMuro? Interesting though Porsche Porsche prices increased. Everybody's increasing prices and this is what we all said would happen when they announced tariffs and everybody's like they're not gonna increase prices. The country importing will pay the tariff, whatever the thing was. It's so stupid. It's obviously gonna be passed on to the consumers and here we are passing it on to the consumer and it's beneficial for CarsAndBids.com but very non-beneficial for you. And it's very annoying, I think.
29:38 Speaker 04 To add a little bit of nuance, there are some manufacturers that have kept really attractive incentives live because they've seen a surge in sales and they're willing to eat into their margin for some amount of time to do that. Also inflation, part of the June inflation numbers was relatively low because spend on new on cars went down a little bit. It's like an interesting situation. A lot of purchasing was moved up. I think the real impact of the tariffs will be felt in Q3 with some of that fervor that the man that was pulled up. You gotta figure out what to do now.
30:11 Doug DeMuro? It depends how long it lasts. It'll be felt in Q3 maybe, but it'll certainly be felt in Q4 and then all next year.
30:16 Speaker 04 Q3, yeah.
30:17 Doug DeMuro? Seven. I mean, it could get ugly, but I guess we'll find out.
30:21 Speaker 04 I will say.
30:22 Doug DeMuro? By the way, you know, Nick.
30:25 Speaker 04 He bought a massage chair last I heard.
30:26 Speaker 03 Yeah, and I just redid a bathroom. I think we're stimulating over here.
30:30 Speaker 04 Um, the one other-
30:32 Speaker 03 We're growing by four inches and replacing the knob over here for the economy.
30:36 Speaker 04 One other piece of Porsche news, I believe they just announced that they've built a million McConns.
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32:12 Speaker 04 That's not news. What's your next news stripe?
32:15 Speaker 03 Actually, the new Range Rover logo, which is interesting.
32:18 Doug DeMuro? That's what this is?
32:19 Speaker 03 For people listening, yes. Range Rover debuted a new emblem and it's two Rs, basically, if you just sort of did a mirror image of one on top of the other. This is a secondary logo, so they will keep the Range Rover script, but their point is, you can't always fit 10 characters across. On the hood, you obviously can, but there are certain points where they need a smaller logo to imprint places. And Rolls Royce already has the double R where they're kind of on top of each other. And so I think some, you know, PhD level nuclear scientist was tasked to come up with a, another way to put two Rs together and came up with this. It's kind of bizarre.
32:55 Doug DeMuro? You can't focus your eyes. It just looks like a box and then a bigger box than another box. Like you can't even see the Rs unless you like want them, you know?
33:02 Speaker 03 It's, it's.
33:03 Doug DeMuro? Sort of like PP, PP.
33:05 Speaker 04 It looks luxurious-ish.
33:07 Speaker 03 Yeah, it looks like, like a Louis Vuitton or Gucci type.
33:11 Doug DeMuro? Which is what they're going for, certainly, right? It'll always be mounted on fleur-de-lis.
33:16 Speaker 03 I hope so.
33:19 Speaker 03 Or those little doilies that go underneath your T.
33:21 Doug DeMuro? Right. So Nick, Nick, you're, we both Range Rover men. You and I have both had Range Rovers. Full-size Range Rovers. What are, what are our thoughts on this? What do you, what do you think about the logo?
33:32 Speaker 03 I think if you're getting like a mani-pedi, it would go nice on one of your nails or like. Like latte art, like they're, they're, they're appealing to the Porsche Pilates mom demographic here with this and saying it's like fashion.
33:44 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, yeah. You think people will buy these and then throw them on old P38s like yours?
33:49 Speaker 03 Yeah, I could see like the headliner mod or like seats, you know, like people get it embossed.
33:54 Speaker 04 Do the P38 still have the Land Rover logo?
33:57 Speaker 03 Yes.
33:58 Speaker 04 Okay. But, but now new ones don't, right?
34:01 Doug DeMuro? I don't know if the new ones do, but mine did and it was in a 06. It was way after the P38. Remember they used to put the Land Rover logo on the grill? The grill had these little, those little, that was even on the L405s. They liked that Land Rover logo. It's green. It's not, it's not high quality. Eventually it became black.
34:16 Speaker 03 A lot of these stories today were kind of like manufactured, jumping the sharks with renaming things like the McPura, or coming out with like these pedantic special editions like 01XX or what have you, the CX5 being indistinguishable from the CX50. So, I mean, it's sort of on-brand. Sadly, these automakers are all like, what can we do that's really cheap to invigorate the product? I know, a new name, a new logo. Like, that's basically free. So, it seams up that alley.
34:42 Doug DeMuro? I don't think it's free. I bet they spent millions and millions of dollars on this. Jack was taking the year off. Alright, we got another news story? Are we done?
34:49 Speaker 04 We have one more.
34:50 Speaker 03 One more. There's a Drift movie coming out. It looks really cool. Drifter Sang Kang announced it on his Instagram. But you've got James Pumphrey from Donut, you've got Rutledge Wood, you've got all these, Adam LZ, another YouTuber.
35:03 Doug DeMuro? Wait a second, wait a second.
35:05 Speaker 04 This is a real movie, to be very clear. Like, this is like, happening.
35:09 Doug DeMuro? Stop the presses, okay? James Pumphrey, Adam LZ, and Rutledge, why aren't I, why aren't I involved in these things? Filippo, this is like when we found that Thomas and James are doing Top Gear. Why don't I get a phone call?
35:25 Speaker 04 What would you, what would your response be to that phone call?
35:29 Doug DeMuro? I would say, if you could do it in San Diego during the, during my working hours, which are 10 to 10:45, Monday through Monday, I would be willing, I'd be willing to have the conversation. Okay, I'm not saying I'm doing it.
35:45 Speaker 03 Sang, Sang is not only an actor, but he's the producer of the movie as well. He was in several of the Fast and the Furious movies. So, you need to slide into his DMs presumably to get cast, but he'd probably into it. I would love to see them bring Jesse back from Fast and the Furious 1, ideally in a Mark IV Jetta, but I'm, I'm open to that.
36:02 Speaker 04 Does he do any drifting in that movie?
36:03 Speaker 03 No, but I mean, he could do some front-wheel-drive drifts.
36:06 Doug DeMuro? No, he escapes. Remember? He escapes, right?
36:09 Speaker 04 That's right.
36:09 Doug DeMuro? Isn't the last we see of him, he's like afraid of the S2000 guys and he drives off into the desert and then we never see him again?
36:15 Speaker 03 But in all seriousness, most car movies suck because they end up trying to be Michael Bay action films. I love that he's like, we're gonna get real car people into this movie. We're gonna make it like, like Fast and the Furious 1 was. It's about car culture and not about action and love and all these other, like, irrelevant things, so.
36:32 Doug DeMuro? When does this flick come out? Nick doesn't want to see love. She's giving it all on any of that crap. When does this flick come out, Nick?
36:38 Speaker 03 I don't know.
36:39 Speaker 04 I don't know. It was announced this week, though.
36:41 Speaker 03 Eminem.
36:42 Doug DeMuro? Oh, so it's like, it's like, it's like in plan. We're not talking about like this in theaters tomorrow.
36:46 Speaker 03 No, no, no, no. The movie, the movie will be in theaters before the McPura is seen by the naked eye on the street without dealer tags. Without dealer tags. It's exciting to see more like movie content, though.
36:58 Doug DeMuro? We gotta move on to our next story, our next segment, which is the Talk Car segment. The Talk Car segment this week is brought to you by Canon. Canon is touring Europe and he sponsored the Talk Cars segment. That's great. Um, Canon, he's in Paris right now. I want to start the Talk Cars segment with something near and dear to my heart. Nick, I think you're, you're well aware of what's going on here. Uh, I had a, I had a moment the other day. Uh, I had a moment and um, I, I crossed a threshold. Felipe, will you pull up the photograph, please? There we go. Oh, it's not the one, the next one. Yeah. I hit a hundred thousand miles there in my Mercedes Benz G 500 Cabriolet. And then go back to my last, you know, there
37:42 Doug DeMuro? it is. I hit a hundred thousand miles. I was off-road. This was my chance. By, by the way, I did not set it up this way, although I mostly drive it off-road. So I guess that makes sense. But I had a hundred thousand miles and um, I've only been in the car twice when that's happened. And uh,
37:59 Speaker 03 What was the other time?
38:00 Doug DeMuro? I had a Range Rover that hit a hundred thousand miles.
38:03 Speaker 03 The Karmax one?
38:05 Doug DeMuro? Yeah. And I don't remember when that was or where. Anyway, uh, this is a big moment, you know? I bought this car with 78,000 miles on it. I look at it. I look at the car, right? I physically lay eyes on the car and I think to myself, I can't believe I drove this car 22,000 miles. Like, if you came to me with an open checkbook and said, name your price, but you have to drive this car 22,000 miles, I would say, there is no amount of money you can give me that would make me want to spend 22,000 miles in this shortened G-Wagon. And yet here we are.
38:38 Speaker 04 How many years ago did you buy it? It was twenty eighteen?
38:41 Doug DeMuro? No, it was the fall of nineteen. I had just come back from a trip around the world. I literally went around the world and when I got home, I got a dog and a convertible G-Wagon.
38:51 Speaker 04 Oh, they go hand in hand.
38:53 Speaker 03 I remember when you bought it and you mentioned to Sam and I, you're like, yeah, I think I'm gonna go buy this. And you showed me a picture of it and I thought, oh, that's a pretty cool way to spend thirty five grand. And then you told me what it was actually gonna cost. And I'm just like, this is the most insane, like, my brain couldn't process it and I just moved on. It was like, okay, like, I, I, I don't know, it was Greek.
39:10 Doug DeMuro? When I, when I bought the car, I didn't, I didn't know Nick all that well. And I was like, only the third or fourth time I met Nick, I like showed up in it and I was like, I just bought this. And he was like,
39:23 Speaker 04 It's an exceptionally good automobile.
39:26 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, it's been great. It's, it's been great. It's, it's, and it's my family car out here. We've been using it every day. The whole family rides it in, including the dog. It's been sand toys and everything. Um, Nick in Flippo, can you share for me, please, a special moment that you've had with the G five hundred Cabriolet?
39:44 Speaker 04 Yeah, let me think about that. Let, let, let's come back to this next week. I'll think.
39:49 Doug DeMuro? You're not gonna think? You've never had any special moments with it. Nobody has.
39:55 Speaker 03 It is, um, it is special, though, to take a car over a hundred thousand miles. Like, that, to me, is like a, a meaningful thing. I, in the Cayenne, I captured that. I also think just keeping a car with a hundred thousand miles on the road, it makes me feel so, like, proud of myself and like, like, it's like a miles, like, everyone who's in the cars, even if you're like a new car guy like Sam used to be, you gotta, like, take it past i- into the six digits at least once to understand what that takes and what that feels like.
40:22 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, it's pretty deep. It's, it's like getting, it's like getting up there. I'm like realizing like, damn, this is some real miles on this thing. The, uh, the guy who sold me my Carrera GT sold it to me at ninety nine eighty two because he was terrified that if he went over ten thousand miles, the value would be just, and I was like, this is so stupid. This guy's an idiot. And, and that's, that's the, the, you know, here we are, a hundred K, dude.
40:43 Speaker 03 Well, yeah, on a G-Wagon, 100K is not actually that much to ride home about, but a car of that value and the fact that you're off-roading it is actually pretty cool. Like, I think a lot of people now are buying these to flex at Arowan or to like...
40:56 Speaker 04 Are they?
40:57 Doug DeMuro? Right.
40:57 Speaker 04 Are they successful?
40:59 Speaker 03 The only other person I know that has one is one of the Jenners, so that's...
41:03 Doug DeMuro? There are people who, they've become a little popular with the wrong crowd, but I drive mine off-road. In fact, in that photo, you can see the ABS light is on, and that's because the diffs are locked. And when you lock the diffs, it disables ABS and turns on the ABS light.
41:14 Speaker 04 By the way, you...
41:15 Doug DeMuro? And that's how legit I am.
41:16 Speaker 04 I want you to throw there, I know where this is. You just like, you nailed the 100,000 mile barely on the off-road, like barely off-road.
41:24 Doug DeMuro? This is deep, deep, deep.
41:25 Speaker 03 How many times have you got stuck this summer?
41:27 Doug DeMuro? Frequently. It's not the best. I think I need new tires. I've never gotten it stuck to the point where I needed help, but I've gotten it stuck many times, including yesterday, to the point where it wouldn't go any further. I had to go forward and then backward and forward and backward, and finally I got it out. But it's not, I think it's a, I don't know if it's a tire thing or what's going on.
41:46 Speaker 03 Does it make you wish you had a Maybach with the recovery mode?
41:49 Speaker 04 Yes.
41:51 Doug DeMuro? But you know what the thing is, though? When you have the Sequoia, you don't have to worry about getting stuck. Like, there's no time where I ever am to worry, because I can just like go to the Sequoia and it does everything. That TRD Pro Sequoia could, could, could run over Filippo and not even blink.
42:05 Speaker 04 And certainly, that's the biggest concern with these large SUVs, yeah.
42:08 Doug DeMuro? May actually, yeah. Uh, okay. Filippo, uh, give us your car segment, please.
42:15 Speaker 04 All right. I have reached out to a dealer about a car they're selling.
42:20 Speaker 03 Ooh.
42:20 Speaker 04 For myself.
42:21 Speaker 03 Cryptic.
42:22 Speaker 04 That, move on.
42:23 Speaker 03 That's it?
42:23 Speaker 04 That.
42:24 Doug DeMuro? You're not gonna talk about the, okay, folks, here's the deal. It's an Acura ILX, automatic hybrid.
42:29 Speaker 03 Acura, it's pronounced.
42:31 Doug DeMuro? Acura, I'm so sorry. Acura ILX, automatic hybrid. He found a rare cloth seat, no seatbelt.
42:37 Speaker 04 What a dream.
42:39 Doug DeMuro? Filippo, tell us the story. What happened?
42:41 Speaker 04 Uh, the dealership near here that is selling a very high-mile 991.1 Cabriolet with a, with a, with a manual, and it's an incredibly light spec, truly part of the, one of the most weakly specced ones I've seen and one of the highest mile ones I've seen. And the combination of those items mean that it's like, they're asking 40 grand. Uh, yeah, the
43:06 Doug DeMuro? It's 12.
43:07 Speaker 04 Oh, yeah, it's a first year, highest mile one I've seen, lowest spec I've seen, and therefore it's the cheapest. Uh, and I'm considering pulling a Hoover and buying the cheapest X in America.
43:19 Doug DeMuro? It always works out.
43:21 Speaker 04 Yeah, it works for him always. It has like 120 something thousand miles. Uh, it's, it's interesting. It's a cheap way to get to a 991. And that's kind of appealing. So we'll see.
43:32 Speaker 03 Uh,
43:32 Speaker 04 I have not committed to going to see it. I have not committed to anything because that's, that's too much commitment at my current stage.
43:38 Speaker 03 How close is close?
43:39 Doug DeMuro? Nick, what are the
43:40 Speaker 04 How close is close to like LA?
43:41 Doug DeMuro? Nick, what are the odds? What, how much, what percent do you give it?
43:46 Speaker 03 I, so here's the thing, we, we used to give Felipe a hard time for not taking action and then he impulse bought that GTI. So now that
43:52 Doug DeMuro? Well, no, wait, I want to be clear. We gave him a hard time for not taking action on really cool stuff that he always used to talk about. And then he impulse bought a practical, affordable
44:00 Speaker 04 Which I love. It's such a good car.
44:03 Doug DeMuro? Like it's so Felipe, like reach for the stars. And if you miss, you may end up somewhere in your backyard. Like that's
44:09 Speaker 04 Okay, it's such a good car. My, my wife had said that she loves a GTI. I drove it to LA yesterday, uh, to LA and back yesterday, and it was wonderful. It got 37 and a half miles per gallon on that trip. It was, it did everything perfectly. It does everything perfectly. I do like it a lot. But I could trade it in for, or sell it and buy a 991. And if I sell that and a Barth, I'm like 30 of the 40 grand there.
44:38 Doug DeMuro? Felipe, the Felipe, Nick, I give it 2%.
44:41 Speaker 04 Uh, oh, oh, I, I don't give it more than 2%.
44:44 Speaker 03 Because he has to sell two cars to get there. That will take too long and the car will be gone.
44:48 Doug DeMuro? He hasn't even moved on selling the Abarth yet, and he's not even using it. And it's just
44:51 Speaker 04 I, I've been, first of all, I am using it. Our friends, when their cars break down, as Kenan has, and as our producer Sean has now, borrow it. So that's a purpose for it. They then make fun of me for how not great it is, but they do like it briefly and they borrow it. And I've been told that I can't sell it until August.
45:09 Doug DeMuro? Why?
45:10 Speaker 04 I have a gear. I'm gonna make a video about it and it can't go last long. So it will be on Cars and Bids in August.
45:16 Doug DeMuro? Still have that car. I'll bet you you still have that car next summer.
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46:44 Doug DeMuro? Nick, what's your top car thing for us?
46:47 Speaker 03 Mine's mine's short and sweet. I have no multiple. We've been on the multiple search for so long. All of them have been, we got one a PPI and it was so rusty, you could literally bend the frame.
47:00 Doug DeMuro? What happened to the green one that you just sent us a couple of days ago?
47:02 Speaker 03 It's it's still available, but the the closer you look, the worse it gets. And I I just.
47:08 Speaker 04 No, it's not nice enough. It needs to be.
47:09 Speaker 03 It's it's pretty rough.
47:10 Speaker 04 You deserve, as your friends, a nice multiple experience.
47:13 Doug DeMuro? You guys don't understand, like Filippo's over here talking, talking big. Like dude, nobody saved these things.
47:20 Speaker 04 I know, which is a shame.
47:21 Doug DeMuro? You find it. He's commissioned somebody to go all around Europe looking for him. They're they're looking in Spain. They're looking in Poland, anywhere. Like, there's no nice multiples. This wasn't a car people were like, let's preserve this so some American can import it as a joke in 25 years.
47:36 Speaker 04 It is. I want to be clear.
47:37 Speaker 03 An audience of one.
47:38 Speaker 04 It might be a joke to Nick. It is not a joke to me. It's a car that I will buy from Nick at the end.
47:43 Doug DeMuro? Problem. You're you're it's not a joke to you. You think you you're you have too high of expectations.
47:48 Speaker 04 If you're listening to this in in Italy or southern Spain, or a country where you treat your cars well, and maybe therefore in good condition, not either of those two. Uh, let us know, because we have a buyer for you.
47:59 Speaker 03 The other problem is it has to be a 2000 to be 25 years old. And that's like, I think you say you have 99, 2000, but there it's. Every year we wait, there will be more options available.
48:09 Speaker 04 Then there was a facelift. You don't have to wait that long. You need a pre facelift.
48:12 Speaker 03 The facelift is horrible.
48:14 Doug DeMuro? More complicated than this. You need a pre facelift. You need a decent color. Personally, I I you don't want to get too far into weird languages. Because then you gotta do all.
48:22 Speaker 04 No, fine. If if you're Italian and you have one, hit me up.
48:25 Speaker 03 And I went under 200,000 kilometers.
48:27 Doug DeMuro? Italian works as a language for the documents when they come. Polish, the car shows up, there are L's with lines through them. I don't think that flies at the DMV. I think you got a problem then.
48:38 Speaker 04 Right.
48:39 Speaker 03 Well, we'll we'll go through Montana, and they're a little more lenient, I would say. So it should be fine, but.
48:44 Speaker 04 I I will speak to our Italian friend.
48:54 Speaker 04 I I'm really, I'm I'm putting pulling out all the stops here. I'm just, I'm speaking to my countrymen in their language to try to get you a multiple.
49:00 Doug DeMuro? You're meeting them where they are. Okay, speaking of Italians, I want to move on to the market report. Market report. Market report is brought to you by the wing on the BMW M2 Track Edition. It's big and you can sit on it.
49:14 Speaker 04 Let's not test that claim.
49:16 Doug DeMuro? No, no. Think about the downforce. It the 6,000 pounds, if that's what they all say of downforce, like, that means you can, if you weigh less than 6,000 pounds, you can sit on the wing.
49:26 Speaker 03 An automotive engineering expert. You could drive a Selena 7 upside down on the backside of the wing.
49:33 Doug DeMuro? And, and you can drive a naturally aspirated Tesla there, too. This is all my engineering takes. Okay. Anyway, I want to talk about, we were talking about Italy a second ago. I want to talk about the Italians. Pull up that 599 now, as my son would say, do it right now. Nick, you deal with that ever?
49:51 Speaker 03 There's not a lot of patience in either direction.
49:54 Doug DeMuro? Alright, so what did this sell for? 111 or something?
49:57 Speaker 04 Yeah, so this was a 599 GTB in Blue to the Front. But I will say it had a rebuilt Louisiana title.
50:06 Doug DeMuro? Nick, you don't buy this at a, yeah dude, but it's a hundred and eleven.
50:09 Speaker 04 I know, I know, it's appealing.
50:10 Doug DeMuro? You can't drive around New Orleans for like a decade to make some video. Nick, you don't buy this car?
50:15 Speaker 03 I, um, I'm happy with my Murcielago, but I think that is an amazing value prop. Also, you can swap these. So if you think it's perfect, other than the transmission, it's pretty straightforward. A couple of cold ones. Machina, actually, who did my Murcielago, is about to sell one of theirs on the site in near future. So a little teaser there, but, um, it's, I actually didn't like this car when it came out because it reminded me too much of the 612 Scag and the ugliness there. But I think it's aging wonderfully. I think if you put a Valvetronic exhaust on it, it just like.
50:51 Speaker 04 We're getting the mods already.
50:52 Speaker 03 The sound is so ridiculously slap you in the face aggressive. It's so cool. I'm into it.
50:59 Doug DeMuro? You know what I was thinking about with the, with the manual swaps? The fact that the purist guys hate them only encourages like me, like, like I, the other day I said they're too sketchy and I don't want any part of them. I actually, I'm actually off that. Like I've heard several purist guys. We've talked about it privately and I don't want to call any of them out on the pod, but several purist guys, you've talked to them or I've talked to them and they've been like, those manual swaps are this or that.
51:25 Doug DeMuro? To me, that's like what a wealth advisor says, don't buy the S and P, you don't buy this. I'm like, alright, let's do it. This is the swap.
51:33 Speaker 03 No, the one, the one guy who we won't name liken the swaps to a fake handbag you give to your wife. And it's like, no, I don't think that's at all what this is. But regardless of whether you like the F1, which at this point drove pretty decent. My understanding, like Kenan said, actually this one drove great.
51:49 Doug DeMuro? Yeah.
51:50 Speaker 03 It had a new clutch, but. Regardless of transmission option, you've got an Enzo-derived V12. It looks really cool. That value there is amazing, especially when you consider the deepest base Porsche you can buy is now 130. So save 20 grand, which is a major on this car service-wise, or the cost of a swap almost.
52:09 Speaker 04 That's a great point. The price of a new 992 base, base, base. You get this, a built-in major or a swap.
52:18 Speaker 03 Yep.
52:19 Speaker 04 That's incredible.
52:20 Speaker 03 You Montana this car with the salvage title and save all the taxes and you just laugh at those Porsche people.
52:26 Speaker 04 Nick expressing his personal opinion.
52:27 Doug DeMuro? Never do that on cars.
52:29 Speaker 03 We would never do that. And when it breaks down, you can just take the Z-Cur into the shop.
52:33 Speaker 04 That's right. You can have a drive you.
52:35 Doug DeMuro? Hey, by the way, on the subject of off-color cars, cars that aren't perfect, let's say. Can you tell us your experience with Ed Bolian? You went over inside Bolian. You were on an Ed Bolian show the other day.
52:45 Speaker 03 Well, I will be on the pod again next week. I think Kennon's still gone.
52:49 Speaker 04 Kennon will still be gone.
52:50 Speaker 03 And we're gonna have some videos documenting that whole thing. So I will go into it.
52:55 Doug DeMuro? Tell us, give us a little teaser. What happened? You went and met the, you went to the snake's den and met, then met the snake charmer himself. What happened?
53:02 Speaker 03 I, I, I am so pumped. No offense to you, Doug, but like Ed and, and Hoovy are probably my two favorite channels in terms of like, what they do in terms of the cars that they buy and the adventures they go on is like, that is my dream.
53:18 Speaker 04 Audi TT fans. That makes sense.
53:19 Doug DeMuro? Listen, whenever I go to see Ed, I say, look, my friends are all big fans of yours. They don't care about me, but they're all big fans of yours. And I, and I got you some sort of gift the last time I was with you.
53:28 Speaker 03 Yeah, you did. You got me a plate.
53:29 Doug DeMuro? You got the real gift of being with Ed. And that's a true gift.
53:34 Speaker 03 He's incredibly nice, just very generous human being, so easy to talk to. He's a lot like he is in videos. Like there's no on-off switch where he's like hamming it up for camera. Like he's just a easy outgoing conversational guy. Like, we just talked cars. It felt a lot like our Wednesday night dinners where it was just like an effortless. Oh, I'm really into that. Like we talked about the 599s, like we're doing right now. We talked, it was all era, like the 2000s era's Italian. Heavily depreciated cars, which is like, I can just talk that all day, every day. He gave me a ride in the Vey, which was amazing. His tires are a little old and we were in a residential area, so I didn't quite feel the full 1,000 horsepower. But that was a really special bucket list.
54:17 Speaker 03 More importantly, I got to drive his Diablo SV for about 40 minutes. And you'll have to wait for the video to hear my take on that, but let's just say I'm, uh, I'm seeing orange over here, you know?
54:29 Doug DeMuro? Are you gonna sell the Mercy and get a Diablo?
54:32 Speaker 03 I don't, it's much like you do. Whatever car you've driven most recently is the best car you've ever driven. And then the, the next car, so when I was driving it.
54:41 Doug DeMuro? I only feel that way among the three cars that I own. You're in a different little spot here, aren't you?
54:46 Speaker 03 If I, if I had.
54:48 Doug DeMuro? Sell the Mercy and get a Diablo. Filippo, push him on this.
54:53 Speaker 03 If I had the capital to have both, I would have both.
54:55 Doug DeMuro? Oh, for Christ's sake.
54:56 Speaker 03 I, I do not.
54:57 Doug DeMuro? If I had the capital to buy 78 cars, I'd have a warehouse.
55:00 Speaker 03 The, the Diablo was way more usable than I thought. And so it, it negated my main detract.
55:06 Speaker 04 Anybody has ever said.
55:07 Speaker 03 Yeah, no, I, I assumed, yeah, I assumed it was gonna be too compromised and I wouldn't be able to make that my primary fun car. I could drive that any way I drove the Mercy. It would be a little more uncomfortable, a little bit more raw, but like, not limited. So that, that opened some doors in my head.
55:23 Doug DeMuro? I think that the Diablo, the Countach is cooler, obviously. Like, I think that's like a, a, a kind of an objective statement. The Mercy is more livable, but one thing the Diablo does a good job of, it's not that far from being as cool as the Countach. But it's not that far from being as livable as the Mercy. Like, it's actually, it's actually the better, like, the, the, the, if you were, if you were hoping for a car that could get closer to the coolness and the usability, it actually does that. Instead of being closer to like the usability of the Countach and the coolness of the Mercy, that's what you wouldn't want. The Diablo actually does the opposite in a kind of an interesting way. At least that's true of kind of the later ones. I drove an SV and felt the same way. The Sixos, that's true too. I've ne- I've never driven a 92, but maybe they're, maybe they're different.
56:05 Speaker 03 The, the early ones are, I mean, no power steering, no power brakes. It's, it's probably closer to the Countach, but I do think the Diablo is the Goldilocks between the Mercy and the Diablo in terms of.
56:16 Speaker 03 Compromised but not too compromised, modern but not too modern.
56:19 Doug DeMuro? If you drove one around, people would still freak out almost as much or as much as the Countach. But it's like, you know, it's a rational experience, the windows rolled down.
56:28 Speaker 04 So are you selling the Mercy and buying a Diablo?
56:31 Speaker 03 Not at the moment. I, I, I, so when Ed bought, we talked about this a little bit and I think he's comfortable sharing this. But when he bought, bought the blue Mercy Lago off Cars and Bids, it was a similar thing where he's like, oh, I'm not, I don't actually want to buy this car, but for the right price I will. That's how I feel about his Diablo. Like, I don't actually want to buy it, but if it goes for, and it's going to be no reserve, so it could go for a deal. So I will bid on it. And then if I win it, I'll figure out what to do and be very poor for a couple of months until I liquidate one or the other.
57:02 Speaker 04 There's a scoop for you. It's gonna be live on Cars and Bids soon.
57:05 Speaker 03 Yeah, I think we're aiming for end of the month is what I'm told.
57:08 Doug DeMuro? Wow. Wow. And Nick will be bidding hard, hard and fast.
57:13 Speaker 04 Ed Nick bidding some cars.
57:15 Speaker 03 But I do, Ed, thank you. I, I also got the, a fortune to go on VinWiki, which is really fun to tell some car stories. I told the Arnage story. So if you're not tired of hearing that story, go check it out. But that was a lot of fun.
57:27 Doug DeMuro? Tell the story about money shifting the TTRS and blowing the motor.
57:30 Speaker 03 I never money shifted it. He, he even, Ed was like, oh, you're gonna tell the story about money shifting the TTRS? I'm like, I didn't, I wasn't even shifting it. It just started sputtering and died. Like, there's no story to tell.
57:40 Doug DeMuro? The time that I money shifted and blew motor, it wasn't, I, me, same, same. I didn't over rev it. No, it was, it was something else happened.
57:47 Speaker 03 I really didn't. I really didn't.
57:49 Doug DeMuro? Something else happened. I don't know. I don't even know. I don't even get, I don't even know.
57:52 Speaker 03 It was the APR tune on it, remove the knock sensors and cause the engine to go boom, boom. And they do not like it when I say that on Facebook, but I continue to say it to them and they continue to play dumb.
58:03 Doug DeMuro? Okay, we gotta move on to the question segment. The question segment is brought to you by Nick's shifting from second to first accidentally.
58:12 Speaker 04 Can it be brought to you by, I don't know, carsandbids.com, the best place to buy and sell cool cars?
58:16 Doug DeMuro? No, no, no, no.
58:17 Speaker 04 All right.
58:17 Doug DeMuro? I wish it was, but unfortunately it's brought to you by the time Nick went for third and got first. And, and subsequent issues that came out of that.
58:29 Speaker 03 Yeah. Came out of that with 500 wheel horsepower. Thank you very much. We just leave the block, throw in a bigger turbo and it was good to go. Six months later.
58:40 Doug DeMuro? No, it's brought to you by Cars and Bids and the Cars and Bids app, which is like Cars and Bids, but an app. I use it every day.
58:48 Speaker 03 You better.
58:49 Doug DeMuro? Uh, I don't. I like, I like all the Cars and Bids thing. Okay. The questions this week. Now remember you can ask questions. Go to carsandbids.com, click on the questions tab, or click on the community tab and there will be a post there requesting questions and then you can ask. Now, I, I don't go to only the top questions anymore. So even if it's late in the week, throw up a question or two. I got some late in the week questions this week that are, that are, that are good. Okay. First question from Eric44. Hey Doug, what do you think is the poster car for kids growing up in this era? If you were growing up during this time period, what would your poster car be? Felipe, other than the Acura ZDX?
59:26 Speaker 04 The, the ZDX, the old ZDX is up there. Yeah.
59:29 Doug DeMuro? No, no, no.
59:30 Speaker 04 I saw one yesterday. Looked great.
59:32 Doug DeMuro? What do you think the poster car, Nick? What do you think of Revuelto?
59:35 Speaker 03 So actually Ed, Ed had a really good explanation of this, which is basically we as a culture have like, every, everything is now photographed. There's car spotters everywhere that a Ferrari or Lamborghini is no longer special. And so the hypercars are now the poster car. So the Koenigsegs, the, the Bugattis, like it, it's gotta be a million dollar car. Plus to draw any attention, otherwise it's just a Ferrari that you see, quote unquote, anywhere. And I know that's very Californian of me to say, but like it, it's the, the, the bar has become so high that it's, you know, even a Rimacnevera is not going to draw any attention. Like it's gotta be.
1:00:14 Doug DeMuro? That's not a bad take, honestly.
1:00:15 Speaker 03 A utopia, like something like that.
1:00:18 Speaker 04 For me, it's an M3 Touring, new one and a Volvo V60 TA pulser. But that, but that's me.
1:00:27 Doug DeMuro? And that's very relatable, Felipe. Thanks. Uh, no, that's a really good point from Ed and repeated from Nick. Thank you. I think you're right. I think you're exactly right. I, when I think about it, Revuelto isn't really the poster car. Yeah. All the kids are obsessed with the Koenigsegs and the Pagani's and stuff. And us old guys don't care about that stuff.
1:00:44 Speaker 04 Well, you, you know what the next one will be, right? The McPerro will obviously be.
1:00:49 Speaker 03 My other related theory is, so the generation older than Doug and I are super into Ferraris and Lambos are like below their line. They don't care. And then like our Doug and I generation is like into Lambos and Ferraris. Like it's still cool, but not as cool. I think the next generation will be super into McLaren and be like, you guys were all sleeping on the 570S and the 620LT and the 575 and the 675 and the 720 and the 765 and the 750 and the 740. And they're going to be super into that. And we're going to be like, yeah, we never cared about those cars. We still don't care about those cars. But I think the next gen, especially now that McLaren F1 team is doing well, are going to be like super into McLaren and think this was the golden age of McLaren and you guys were all just ignoring them and too into your Lambos.
1:01:31 Doug DeMuro? That's an interesting take. Could be true.
1:01:34 Speaker 04 I think that generation is still into Lambos. Huracans, twin turbo'd Huracans.
1:01:38 Speaker 03 Is anyone going to get a poster of the Temario, the whatever, how you were saying? It's like kind of a forgettable looking car.
1:01:47 Doug DeMuro? It's the Lamborghini John Temerian. Come on. All right. Interesting, interesting points from Nick there on an interesting question. Next question from W Storg. W Storg, what are your thoughts on PPF? That's paint protection film, the little clear film over the paint. Does it add value in the secondhand market? Do you guys have it on your personal cars? I will tell you this, I do, I wanted to get this question because I wanted to make a point. Had a guy recently, a friend of mine, try to sell a car on the site, didn't sell. And he was upset about the number it was bid to. And I looked at the auction and it had a wrap. And one of the things I've learned in this business is PPF is beneficial if it's clear and if it's installed well and if it's installed recently. It's beneficial. I don't think you get dollar for dollar back, but you get money back. Wraps are different.
1:02:32 Speaker 04 Wraps are tough.
1:02:33 Doug DeMuro? You show up at the PPF installer, right? And the PPF installer is like, we can do clear and you can keep your car silver. Or... You could make your car yellow with a wrap. And, and a lot of people who are not very sophisticated, I think, say, oh, I want yellow. And then they try to sell the car with the yellow wrap. And you have two problems that come out of that. One is the car, the wrap color you've selected may not be a desirable color to other human beings. And I would argue that most wraps that I see are not desirable colors to other human beings. Nick, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Then you have the issue of everybody is afraid of the paint condition underneath the wrap. Because the presumption is one of the reasons you may have wrapped the car is that the, the paint is messed up.
1:03:17 Doug DeMuro? And so you bidding basically with the assumption that you may have to do paint work. Now, we've counsel people on cars and bids to take the wraps off before they sell the car. But that's costly and time consuming and not everybody wants to do it. And so a lot of times cars go up and we send them and we say, hey, it's got a wrap and, and it
1:03:35 Speaker 04 Has an impact, has like a real impact.
1:03:37 Doug DeMuro? It doesn't do as well as it should. And then the person who's selling it is like, why didn't my wrap do well? It's, it's, it's matte black. And it's like, yeah, well, not everybody wants that on that car.
1:03:46 Speaker 03 I, I will say the, the person who asked had PPF specifically and not wrap. I think they probably know the difference. To me, yes, I, I, if I see a car listed with PPF, I, I'm more interested in it for two reasons. One, the paint's probably in good shape underneath because you usually only do that when the car is in good shape to begin with. And you want to preserve it. It truly does prevent damage. There's tons of things on that. But it's also a signal that the seller is someone to spend five to 10 grand getting their car protected. That has no aesthetic benefit otherwise. Um, and tells me they're, they're the type of person who really took care of their stuff and were meticulous about keeping it up.
1:04:22 Speaker 04 It, it does feel like the, the real benefit of PPF is in, is not in the resale value, which may be a little bit, but marginal. It's really, you're protecting yourself while you own the car. Cause you're not going to get the same stone trips. It can prevent damage if you run into something slowly. Like there, there are ways that it protects your investment.
1:04:39 Speaker 03 And you can drive it harder. I, I, I wouldn't say tailgate people.
1:04:43 Speaker 04 The engine just pulls harder.
1:04:44 Speaker 03 I follow, I follow people a little closer, especially like Matt in the GT three RS who slings rocks. I don't care. I even had my windshield PPF'd because a Mercy windshield is allegedly a $10,000 piece of glass.
1:04:56 Doug DeMuro? That's the question. The question, the second part of the question is, do you have it on your own cars? My Ford GT is full PPF, uh, including the windshield. My Carrera GT is full PPF, including the windshield. And the Countach, the paintwork is not good, so I didn't bother PPF-ing it, because I mean, either it has to be repainted, like there are chips and it's no big deal. But the windshield is PPFed on the Countach for the same reason you were just explaining. I will say, I ran my Ford GT into my house a couple of weeks ago. This didn't make the podcast.
1:05:23 Speaker 04 I was trying to find a nice way to say if you run into something slowly, but I meant your house.
1:05:27 Doug DeMuro? I should have talked about this on the pod, but it wasn't a big deal. I ran into my house with my Ford GT and hey, folks, haven't we all at one point or another crashed Ford GT into a house?
1:05:37 Speaker 04 No, but you have crashed a G-Wagon Cabriolet into my garage door.
1:05:42 Doug DeMuro? Uh huh.
1:05:43 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:05:44 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, so like I hit stuff, you know? And anyway, I ran the Ford GT into the house and I was, I was a little bit anxious, although not particularly. And then I looked, we took off that section of PPF and the PPF had completely protected, even in an impact such as running into a house, it had completely protected the car. I'm dead serious. We re-PPF the area and it's fine. Like there's not even an indent in the, in the bodywork. It's incredible.
1:06:08 Speaker 03 That's magic. It is.
1:06:11 Speaker 04 I will say I have very poorly installed PPF on the GTI. I didn't do it, just I came with some really bad PPF and I'm a bit blown about it.
1:06:19 Speaker 03 Elite Finish is a detailing shop we go to and Kevin, their, their manager, he's like the contractors are with other people. Oh, all these other installs are crap and this is the way you do it. And like all the other guys said that.
1:06:31 Doug DeMuro? He's right.
1:06:32 Speaker 03 He is right.
1:06:33 Doug DeMuro? My Ford GT was done so poorly and I had him clean it up and he did it.
1:06:37 Speaker 03 They hide all the little seams, like you really can't tell it's there unless you look unlike a wrap or it's matte black or yellow or whatever undesirable color it is. Starburst.
1:06:46 Doug DeMuro? All right. Next question, next question, next question from Minivan and Miata Lover. Would you, Kenan and Filippo, or at least let's say, would you, Nick and Filippo, ever consider doing a Top Gear slash Grand Tour style video special trip across a state or country? We would love to watch the three of you drive across some beautiful parts of America and the world. We did! We did this! And people watched, sort of, but not enough for us to justify doing it again. Actually, Nick and Kenan were both part of it. We drove out to the desert. I had a Cayenne Turbo for God's sake. Whatever happened to that Cayenne?
1:07:18 Speaker 03 He did say beautiful parts of the country and I'm not sure a dry lake bed in the middle of California qualifies.
1:07:25 Doug DeMuro? The desert is incredibly beautiful. It makes you, it makes you dream, like the ocean.
1:07:29 Speaker 03 Look at this.
1:07:31 Doug DeMuro? Go watch our video.
1:07:32 Speaker 03 That's gorgeous.
1:07:32 Doug DeMuro? Listen, I'll tell you something, folks. If our video here gets 20 million views, we'll do another one of these.
1:07:38 Speaker 03 I would like to do one in Wyoming. And we all buy muscle trucks. So you can have a Typhoon or Cyclone. I'll get an SRT 10 Ram. Each person, you know, maybe an SVT Lightning, the real ones, not the electric ones. And we can do a real American trucks in real America. Look at this shot. Yeah, the cinematography was great. And all the comments were either you ripped off Top Gear badly, or you really upped your production value, and there was nothing in between.
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1:08:39 Doug DeMuro? Anyway, we did do this.
1:08:40 Speaker 03 And Doug cheated.
1:08:40 Doug DeMuro? I loved these videos. I thought they were funny. I actually watched them. I thought they were cute. And Nick was in them. And Nick, Nick was problematic, honest. I'll tell you, we were out there for two days.
1:08:50 Speaker 03 Oh. We have some stories. My attention span doesn't fit for two days. Like, that's a big ask for me. Doesn't fit for 20 minutes. Yes. We've learned. This podcast is a stretch in terms of how much quality interaction you can get with me.
1:09:04 Doug DeMuro? All right, next question. We got two more, two more questions, two more questions, two more questions, maybe three. From, oh, no, no, let's do this.
1:09:13 Speaker 03 Doug, I got a question. Do you want to split GoHazzies with me in that B5 RS4 that was just on the carousel? Have you seen this? I want it so badly. Have you seen this? It is a true European market B5 RS4. No, they're legal now. They're 25 years.
1:09:26 Doug DeMuro? They're legal now, dude. B5 RS4s are legal. People have gone through so many hoops to get these cars legal. There was a company that actually went through the process of getting them federalized.
1:09:34 Speaker 03 Yep.
1:09:34 Doug DeMuro? And jumping through all those governmental hoops. A few of these cars came over legally, and now they are legal. The earliest ones are 25, and this one is here from France, and they're coming.
1:09:44 Speaker 03 We've auctioned a few.
1:09:45 Speaker 04 Pretty good. Yeah.
1:09:47 Doug DeMuro? But they were all converted.
1:09:48 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah.
1:09:49 Speaker 03 This, this one's in Jersey, so it's right, right across the pond from you, Doug. Like, let's, let's do this.
1:09:54 Speaker 04 Look at this car.
1:09:56 Doug DeMuro? Uh, okay.
1:09:56 Speaker 03 The Chesapeake.
1:09:57 Doug DeMuro? Questions, I forgot. There are some actually legit good ones. Um, from Sturdburger, what vehicle modification do you generally agree with or find appealing and would recommend for most vehicles? What modification do you think people generally do that they shouldn't because of reliability, appearance, or performance reduction?
1:10:13 Speaker 03 Um, this, this is, I'll take this for you, because I think we're gonna see eye to eye here.
1:10:17 Speaker 04 Please.
1:10:18 Speaker 03 Big brake kit, coilovers, exhaust, downpipe or headers. Uh, we recommend race cats and not a full, um,
1:10:27 Speaker 04 Wheels, obviously.
1:10:28 Speaker 03 You know, cat delete. Um, yes, rap, um, airbags.
1:10:32 Speaker 04 XD wheels, you think, or something better?
1:10:34 Speaker 03 Yeah, bags, bags and coilovers, actually. Some redundancy, just in case one fails.
1:10:40 Speaker 04 It's really a reliability mod at that point.
1:10:42 Speaker 03 BBS LM's.
1:10:44 Speaker 04 Oh, well, that, that's classy.
1:10:45 Speaker 03 Actually, there's, there's a set of E88s for sale that are Merci Lago fitment. And, oh, I want them so badly.
1:10:51 Speaker 04 What is stopping you? Just the fact that you will, you will be removed from our group?
1:10:55 Speaker 03 They want 10 grand, and I would never hear the end of it from, from the group. So that's, that's two good reasons not to.
1:11:00 Doug DeMuro? The answer to the question, from, from a personal perspective and from a Cars and Bins perspective, they align, is that the mods that actually add value are the ones that improve reliability or usability. Um, and my cars are all modified. Um, but they're modified.
1:11:16 Speaker 04 Making news. What's, what's the Mercedes, what's the Mercedes E450 mod?
1:11:23 Doug DeMuro? Um.
1:11:24 Speaker 04 ECU?
1:11:25 Doug DeMuro? Deleted the tent.
1:11:28 Doug DeMuro? Also, that car's been hit multiple times. And so there's, there's, there's a lot of bodywork on that car.
1:11:33 Speaker 04 Modifications.
1:11:33 Doug DeMuro? None of it's on the car facts, by the way, clean. Um, it hit a, they told me it hit a marmot when I bought it, but I think it hit like an elk or a moose. Anyway.
1:11:47 Doug DeMuro? None of this is fake. Anyway, so I do reliability use build. My cars are all modified. I got a tune on one of my cars. I got forged pistons on another car. I got real stuff.
1:11:59 Speaker 04 I think there are mods that generally help. They're very model specific. There are certain cars where specific ECU tune is accepted as like, yup, everybody does that. There's a lot of cars where specific brake updates or brake pads or suspension, whatever is like fully accepted.
1:12:16 Speaker 03 Sub crane reinforcements on an E46, rod bearing replacement.
1:12:20 Speaker 04 Yeah, and those are the ones that I think are value additive.
1:12:23 Speaker 03 For IMS, RMS and a Porsche.
1:12:25 Speaker 04 Also like specific exhaust on specific cars where like it's well reputed. It's a brand that everybody likes. The outcome is known. Things where people can immediately know exactly what the outcome is of adding that mod generally do well.
1:12:41 Speaker 03 Yeah, we've talked to off-road mods often. You can go where they're not helping the reliability or their performance other than an off-road capability, but like a mild lift or like a Cayenne off-road build. Maybe you don't get dollar for dollar back, but you might get more than a normal example. The biggest thing that I see people screw up that is a plea to you all is if you have two sets of wheels, the stock wheels and an aftermarket set of wheels, and you're including both in the sale, do the pictures with the stock wheels. That is what 95% of people would prefer. And then the 5% of people that like the non ones.
1:13:15 Doug DeMuro? Maybe people don't, maybe people want aftermarket wheels, but they probably don't want your, the aftermarket wheel that you selected probably doesn't look. You're trying to reach, the whole point of cars and bids, you can sell a car on Facebook Marketplace locally to some guy who comes by and lowballs you. The whole point of cars and bids is you're trying to broaden your audience and get more money. And you can't broaden your audience by selling a car with a bad rap or bad wheels. That's the whole point. You're missing the whole point. You get the car back. Like that 3000 GT is a great example. That is a nice stock looking 99 with the big old wing.
1:13:46 Speaker 03 Oh.
1:13:47 Doug DeMuro? Like, that car is gonna bring more money because it's stock, even though there's a big tuner culture for those cars.
1:13:52 Speaker 03 Yep.
1:13:52 Doug DeMuro? And that's, I completely agree with that, Nick.
1:13:54 Speaker 03 That E46 wagon that you guys had was another example.
1:13:57 Doug DeMuro? Sure.
1:13:58 Speaker 03 He R&M'd it with the mods, he put it back to stock and got more money for it.
1:14:01 Speaker 04 Yeah, it's back to stock as a E46 and 3 build touring, which didn't exist, but yes.
1:14:06 Doug DeMuro? That's right. He R&M'd that car on a different, a competitor's website for a lot less money. And then he made it better by, by making it stock. He, he was like, ah, but I built it out. Well, people don't want, they want it to look a certain way. And I think that's a, it's a broader swath of buyers. You're gonna reach that way.
1:14:23 Speaker 03 Yep. And I, after, after not money shifting my TT RS. Sure, sure. I sold it and I, I sold off $8,000 of aftermarket parts. I then sold the car for what I listed it as is with all the mods installed. So like, it's also.
1:14:36 Doug DeMuro? What you, what you just described takes a lot longer and requires a lot more effort, but you can really do okay financially.
1:14:42 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:14:42 Doug DeMuro? If you're willing to do it. Like, if you're willing to pull the stuff off, and most people get to that point, they just want it gone, and I get it. But Nick, I was there when Nick was selling seats to guys in Arizona and like, doing the whole thing. And he made money on that stuff.
1:14:55 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:14:56 Speaker 04 I agree, it's a lot of money.
1:14:56 Speaker 03 Yeah, driving to the Arizona border was a little tedious, but otherwise, it was worth it.
1:15:01 Speaker 04 An hour and a half.
1:15:02 Doug DeMuro? Uh, okay, last two questions, last two questions from Ultratech66. Doug, how often do you look through your own Wikipedia page? Is it accurate? Filippo, is it? Have you been on there?
1:15:12 Speaker 04 I have not.
1:15:13 Doug DeMuro? What do you think?
1:15:16 Doug DeMuro? Oh, look, there's me. Nick, can, Nick, it's me.
1:15:21 Speaker 03 That is you. My, my child saw a photo of me without a beard, and now that you're a bearded guy too. And she said, oh, you're like a tall baby. And that's, that's what I see when I see that picture.
1:15:31 Doug DeMuro? I don't look this very often, but there's probably some misinformation.
1:15:34 Speaker 04 I didn't, I didn't know this. In 2024, you were named winner of Emory's 40 under 40? Congratulations.
1:15:40 Doug DeMuro? Let me, thank you so much. Thank you so much.
1:15:42 Speaker 04 Years ago, years ago, there was a profile written of you in whatever Emory's Student Newspaper was called. And I am quoted, because I was interviewed for that, for that, uh, article.
1:15:52 Speaker 03 You know, there's, there's like a thriving black market for Wikipedia editors. So now it's become so hard to edit pages because people think you're manipulating it for commercial purposes.
1:16:03 Doug DeMuro? Right.
1:16:03 Speaker 03 Basically, you find someone who's a super editor and has a long history and you pay them like a bribe and they will edit what you wanted to say for you and it'll get accepted versus that. So if you need a guy, just let me know and I can, I can get some stuff.
1:16:16 Doug DeMuro? I don't, I don't really care. Like, I don't have anything that needs to be, you know, changed. I'm looking through it like, like it's fine and most of it, there's so many accuracies, but, uh, but yeah.
1:16:26 Speaker 03 Yeah, I mean, that's a little out of date. We've, we've now hosted, just so everybody knows, over 29,000 cars. Sold 650 million dollars in vehicles, uh, you know?
1:16:37 Doug DeMuro? Uh, yeah, but I don't know. I don't really look at it all that much, but, but like, what's this section about Jay Leno, you know? All right, last question from GoldPaner94. I'm a sentimental guy and driving my own car on a grand tour of Europe is one of my bucket list items.
1:16:50 Speaker 03 Is this canon?
1:16:52 Doug DeMuro? No, it's just some guy, but it's me, honestly. I've always wanted to drive one of my cars in Europe. Only Volvo and Porsche still do European delivery. Buying a new Porsche is not practical for me. I don't have any interest in Volvo. I would do BMW, but they don't do it. How hard is it in practice to ship my Miata to Europe, do a two week trip and then ship it back? Okay, here's the deal. This is a, this is a thing that I spend an enormous amount of time on. First off, if you're rich, you can fly it and the car will arrive the next day. It's about 15 grand one way, so 30 grand.
1:17:19 Speaker 03 Is that it?
1:17:19 Doug DeMuro? A lot of money, but it's not.
1:17:20 Speaker 03 Wait, sorry. That feels cheaper than you'd expect.
1:17:24 Doug DeMuro? Right. It's, it's a lot of money, but it's not like, like a private plane flight to Europe, like where the three of us would be $250,000. Flying a car cargo is like $15,000. Maybe it's a little more now. I was looking into it a few years ago, but regardless, it's not crazy. Okay. So, so that if you're, if you're, if you, the kind of person asking this question is probably barking up the tree of maybe doing something like this. So 15 grand, especially because if you put the car on the water. It's probably about fifteen hundred, two grand each way. So there's a cost to that and you lose the car for six weeks to two months. Whenever this question gets asked on travel forums, because there's always people who are like, we're going to spend the summer in Europe and it would be a lot cheaper to just send our own car instead of rent a car. The people on travel forums freak out.
1:18:09 Doug DeMuro? That's the stupidest idea I've ever heard. It's going to be so expensive to send a car. It's actually not. Every car around us, more or less, has been shipped, right? Like, like all, I mean, obviously, some cars are built in North America, but, you know, cars come from overseas. My car, my G-Wagon, right? They get on boats. It's not that expensive. Most manufacturers have got the shipping cost, the destination charge, down to a thousand bucks or fifteen hundred bucks. You, as a person, pay a little more because you're not doing in bulk, but it's not substantial. The real issues are, it's a logistical challenge because the shippers are not used to dealing with individuals. And there are some things you have to do. I've heard you have to own the car outright. You have to make sure your insurer is aware of it. There are specialty insurers who will handle this. You want to make copies of your license plates because people in Europe, like, see you American
1:18:54 Doug DeMuro? colorful license plates and, and sometimes they have a tendency to find their way away from the car. And if you live in a one license plate state, you have to get a front plate made because even though it's technically legal, you'll get pulled over all the time in Europe. But it's possible and it's not that expensive. If you're willing to put in some legwork and if you're willing to pick up the car like an Emden in northern Germany, which is not like ideal, this is, this is a totally doable thing and it is a dream of mine. And I tell my wife, whenever our kids are really bad, really hard, that like someday, post-children, we're going to ship the G-Wagon convertible to Europe and see the whole summer kidless when they're off at college, driving through Europe in the G-Cat. That's like my North Star that I drive.
1:19:34 Speaker 04 I like it.
1:19:35 Doug DeMuro? So it's possible. Now, this person specifically is asking about a two-week trip and I think that's probably not a good idea.
1:19:40 Speaker 04 That's not worth it.
1:19:40 Doug DeMuro? Because you'd lose the car for two months on the front end, two months on the back end, just for two weeks. And that's assuming that the boat arrives correctly, that all the paperwork is correct, et cetera. But in Europe, you're allowed to drive around in a foreign-plated car for this period of time.
1:19:53 Speaker 04 Same as in the US, by the way.
1:19:55 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, also true in the US. And every time I go to Europe, I see at least a couple of cars with American license plates.
1:20:01 Speaker 03 This I tried to I think the easier move would be to buy a car in Europe.
1:20:06 Speaker 04 Hard.
1:20:07 Speaker 03 That's over 25 years old. So this this multiplier that I'm into that has all the red flags a used car could possibly have is in Stuttgart. And I tried to get Kenan or Sam to go look at it, drive it while they're there, and then just.
1:20:19 Speaker 04 It is notably harder because registration and insurance are really tough if you're buying the car in that country.
1:20:24 Doug DeMuro? I have looked into this. I only have looked into it in Italy, which is where I'd be interested in doing it. And in Italy, you have to be an Italian citizen or permanent resident to purchase a car. You can't just like be an American on a dream and like buy a car willy nilly. Like, in order to register the car, like, you have to have the documents, which I think is insane, by the way, because that prevents like British people who want to have a like a holiday home in Italy from buying.
1:20:47 Speaker 04 They find a way, by the way. There are cars that are that I will also know it's not just being a citizen. As an Italian citizen, you also actually need to be a resident of Italy, which has a bunch of if you're from the US.
1:20:58 Doug DeMuro? And a driver, presumably, like the whole thing. It's more complicated than it might seem. It's actually less complicated to ship over your car.
1:21:06 Speaker 04 Yep.
1:21:08 Doug DeMuro? To do it. Remember.
1:21:09 Speaker 04 Ship over in a garage. Be sweet.
1:21:11 Doug DeMuro? Remember, almost every US serviceman does this. Like when they're stationed in Germany or Spain, they ship their cars. Now, the government takes care of it for them, but like, it happens. They do it all the time.
1:21:20 Speaker 04 It is doable, to be clear, to buy a car there, register title, but it requires a lot of footwork.
1:21:26 Doug DeMuro? It requires some footwork and some enjoyment of involve, you know, regulations and rules.
1:21:31 Speaker 04 In countries that are necessarily famously good at doing that.
1:21:34 Speaker 03 The European equivalent of a Montana LLC.
1:21:36 Doug DeMuro? You ship the car to Germany where this kind of stuff happens, and you start there. And after, once you're in Europe, it's you really don't, you're not going to get hassled. You just kind of need to carry some paperwork. And what else do you need to carry with you, Felipe, at all times when you're driving in Europe?
1:21:49 Speaker 04 You need a safety vest, obviously.
1:21:50 Doug DeMuro? And a.
1:21:52 Speaker 04 A warning triangle and flares, maybe? I can't remember if you need flares. You definitely need a warning triangle.
1:21:58 Doug DeMuro? I think it depends on the country, but you need a safety vest, a triangle, and flares.
1:22:02 Speaker 04 And you actually need a safety vest per occupant that could be in the car. Someone keep in mind. I will say Volvo's European delivery, which is an incredible deal because you start at 10% below MSRP or something around there. I want to do desperately. Unfortunately, I don't have a plan to buy a new car at any point, but I really want to do the European delivery.
1:22:22 Doug DeMuro? You know what you do, Felipe? Do it with a C30.
1:22:25 Speaker 04 That's not a car that's sold by Volvo currently. But yeah, if I were buying a new Volvo legitimately, I would find a way to do a European order. It'd be fun.
1:22:34 Doug DeMuro? You know, I bought a new Volvo like 10 years ago and I was too busy. And I have a suspicion that's true of a lot of people. And you know, the real problem with Volvo Euro delivery is that trip has to start in Sweden, in mid Sweden. And so you're like two days on the road before.
1:22:49 Speaker 04 You're not going to Italy from there. No, no, you're staying there, but in your own car.
1:22:54 Doug DeMuro? So, so you're driving around a country you don't really want to be. I mean, I actually liked Scandinavia, but like if I want to do this trip, I want to drive on like the.
1:23:04 Doug DeMuro? You're in a country you don't want to be in, in a car you don't want to be in, right? It's not like you're a Porsche. You're driving an XC60 and you're driving around Norway like, ooh, a moose.
1:23:12 Speaker 04 You gotta assume, you gotta assume that most are doing it in the wagons because they're true enthusiasts. The real, the real benefit is that it is actually a good way to get a discount on a Volvo because their pricing is quite appealing for that.
1:23:23 Speaker 03 It's like driving all the way across town for 10 cents off your per gallon, you know? That's a big ask for 10%.
1:23:30 Doug DeMuro? Yeah, but if you're going to Europe anyway, the Porsche one is really cool because the cool thing about the Porsche one is you can drop off the car not in Stuttgart. So you can pick up the car in Stuttgart and then take a big trip and drop off the car like in Nice or something like that.
1:23:41 Speaker 04 And also driving your personal Porsche, especially if it's 911 Boxer Cayman around Europe is a little bit cooler than driving your XC60, which you could also get at the local Avis counter.
1:23:53 Doug DeMuro? Yes, although I do think that the coolest part would be driving your own, like Nick, imagine shifting gears near Mercy on the Autobahn.
1:24:00 Speaker 03 Would be cool. Yeah, I'm here for that.
1:24:03 Doug DeMuro? Okay, that's our pod. Nick, you got any parting thoughts for us?
1:24:07 Speaker 04 Thank you for tuning in. Nice. Best pod ever.
1:24:11 Doug DeMuro? Best pod ever done. Goodbye, everyone.
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