THE DUALITY OF WOMEN Ft. Meghan Trainor | Episode 204

Meghan Trainor is back on the show this week!! Drew and Meghan talk about what it’s like going on tour with your family, hearing your songs blasting at CVS, Meghan’s childhood football era, Drew cutting off her widow’s peak as a kid, how Chloë Grace Moretz is responsible for Meghan meeting her husband Daryl, and so much more. Meghan IG: https://www.instagram.com/meghantrainor/?hl=en Meghan Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@meghantrainor?lang=en Follow The Comment Section on IG: https://www.instagram.com/thecommentsection/?hl=en Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  About my boobs because I didn't like what they looked like. Sure.

• 0:02Drew Afualo?

  And that's me being honest.

• 0:04Speaker 00

  And that's honest. My boobs were like empty, flat tucks after talking to you in losing way. And I was like, well, these are boobies.

• 0:10Drew Afualo?

  Well, and also.

• 0:10Speaker 00

  But I knew my whole life I was gonna get boobies.

• 0:21Drew Afualo?

  Hey, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the comment section show starring me, your fave. Everybody knows me. Who cares about me? Onto the guests, but before we get to the guests, Happy New Year, everyone. And speaking of a Happy New Year, we're gonna spend it with the one, the only, the iconic, the talented, the major, Meghan Trainor.

• 0:42Drew Afualo?

  Welcome back, queen.

• 0:43Speaker 00

  Hi, I missed you.

• 0:44Drew Afualo?

  I missed you. You were keying down before this. Now the cameras are rolling.

• 0:48Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 0:49Drew Afualo?

  And now we're media trained. Love that for us.

• 0:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, thank God. I was just like, ah, as soon as I saw you.

• 0:55Drew Afualo?

  I love you. Missed you.

• 0:57Speaker 00

  I love you. Hi.

• 0:58Drew Afualo?

  How have you been?

• 0:59Speaker 00

  Working. Busy. Great.

• 1:01Drew Afualo?

  I know. Meghan Trainor never sleeps. That's a fun fact for everybody. Literally never. I don't know how you do it. And you're a mother on top of that. Well, speaking of how are babies? How's husband?

• 1:11Speaker 00

  They're amazing. I don't sleep because I have FOMO. I want to get up as early as possible so I can see them from the moment they wake up to the moment they go to sleep.

• 1:18Drew Afualo?

  Do they have like, or even your oldest, do they have any like concept of who you are or your fame?

• 1:24Speaker 00

  No, I don't think so.

• 1:25Drew Afualo?

  No, which is kind of nice, huh?

• 1:26Speaker 00

  It's nice. Yeah, it's nice. I'm trying to educate him, you know, like even Barry, I don't know if they're messing with me, but my two-year-old, when I go, can I sing you a lullaby? He goes, no. Like they tell me, stop singing. I'm like, oh, people pay for this.

• 1:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, they don't like it. And like Riley will ask me if people want pictures in public. He'll be like, why do they love you so much? And I'm like, because they like mommy songs. And he's like, oh, okay. But he had at his school, they had a spirit week and one of the days is like, I'm gonna wear my favorite artist on my shirt. And I was like, you're wearing Mama. And there is no other artist.

• 2:02Drew Afualo?

  Imagine he was like, okay.

• 2:04Speaker 00

  He literally, he put on a sweater and zipped it up. And I was like, so when you get to school, you unzip that and you say, my favorite pop star is Mama.

• 2:12Drew Afualo?

  He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:13Speaker 00

  I have no idea if he did it or not. Yeah.

• 2:16Drew Afualo?

  That's still very exciting, though, that they're coming to terms with their icon of a mother.

• 2:22Speaker 00

  They know they love touring and I try to tell them.

• 2:24Drew Afualo?

  Oh gee, why?

• 2:25Speaker 00

  I don't, cuz they get to travel. I tell Riley, I ask him all the time at four years old cuz he says the darnest things. He says the cutest stuff and I go, what's the best part of life? And he's like, traveling. Getting on airplane, he loves airplanes and tall buildings. Yeah, yeah. He's like, we gotta go to Tokyo and Africa. We gotta go to Africa.

• 2:43Drew Afualo?

  He's like, mom, let's go to Tokyo again.

• 2:44Speaker 00

  Like, I picked him up from school one day and he was like, should we go to London? Like, now? And I was like, you-

• 2:49Drew Afualo?

  Should we?

• 2:50Speaker 00

  I was like, oh, my love, that's such a far flight. We can't.

• 2:55Drew Afualo?

  And he's like, yeah, but like, you do it all the time.

• 2:57Speaker 00

  But I've never been. And I was like, this is true. And one day I'll take you, but not today.

• 3:02Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. Unfortunately, on a Tuesday, that's not today. Yeah. What are they into right now? Do they have any faves? Like, TV shows, characters?

• 3:11Speaker 00

  All my four-year-old wants to do is watch tall buildings on YouTube. Like, the tallest buildings in the world. I swear to God. I just did a TikTok about this. That's all he wants. Tall buildings. And I go, why do you love tall buildings so much? And he's like, cuz they're so much taller than me. They're so big. I'm like, what the hell?

• 3:26Drew Afualo?

  He's plugged into something we're not.

• 3:28Speaker 00

  He's gonna be an architect.

• 3:29Drew Afualo?

  And he's really on a larger scale of life. Like, he's like, oh, but we're just a speck in the universe.

• 3:34Speaker 00

  Yeah. He's like, he's on to something else. Like, my two-year-old's like, I wanna watch Gabby Dollhouse. Like, I wanna watch Spidey. I wanna watch Paw Patrol. And he's like, can I have tall buildings on your phone if I give him Paw Patrol? Like, he's wheeling and dealing.

• 3:46Drew Afualo?

  You have a genius on your hands.

• 3:48Speaker 00

  Yeah. And his bedroom, his new bedroom we made for him is all, like, I showed on TikTok, there's a picture I found online with all the tall buildings lined up. Cuz that's what he wants. He wants to see them to scale.

• 3:58Drew Afualo?

  Cute.

• 3:59Speaker 00

  He wants to see how tall they are next to each other.

• 4:01Drew Afualo?

  Genuinely a genius. I love that.

• 4:03Speaker 00

  He's something.

• 4:03Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, he's ambitious and you're the ones just vibing.

• 4:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 4:07Drew Afualo?

  That's fun.

• 4:07Speaker 00

  But he is, he's really smart. He's like the top reader in his class. Which I did not see coming. I was like, hmm?

• 4:13Drew Afualo?

  I was also the top reader in my class. I don't wanna flex on him like that, but I also was.

• 4:17Speaker 00

  That's so real.

• 4:18Drew Afualo?

  So, you have a future me on your hands. Oh, my God, congratulations!

• 4:23Speaker 00

  That'd be great.

• 4:25Drew Afualo?

  How's hubby?

• 4:26Speaker 00

  He's perfect. He's great. We um started this year marriage counseling, which was the greatest thing of all times.

• 4:32Drew Afualo?

  Really? Tell me about that.

• 4:34Speaker 00

  I think it's like therapy where at first a lot of people are still like or like our parents' generation weren't all in therapy.

• 4:43Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 4:44Speaker 00

  And now it's finally like cool and okay that we're all in therapy.

• 4:46Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it's becoming like very normal.

• 4:48Speaker 00

  And even a friend of mine was like, oh, you guys should do marriage counseling. And I was like, why? We're not divorcing, you know? And they're like, no, it it just like helps you communicate even better. And Daryl and I, before kids, everyone would make fun of us and we would always say to each other like, marriage isn't hard. What is everyone talking about? Like, this is a dream. I'm with the partner I dreamed of and I get to do life with you. And then when when you have young kids, communication gets lost. And I'm like, I have to remind myself, my therapist taught me, Daryl's not trying to ruin my life. Like, I have to say that out loud because I'm like, I'm pretty sure.

• 5:22Drew Afualo?

  Then as soon as you get kids, you said there's ops all around me.

• 5:27Speaker 00

  Who are you? So we started marriage counseling with Brian. We love you, Brian. And it has changed our lives forever. And now we're back in that lovey dovey phase.

• 5:36Drew Afualo?

  I think that's beautiful. I love that. And that's honestly, that's one of the things I love most about you. You're so honest about a lot of things. You're very, you're very open.

• 5:46Speaker 00

  I can't lie. It's a problem. I want people, please, or I will give you whatever you want.

• 5:50Drew Afualo?

  That is true. And you know what? I will say this too. I have said it on a many an episode. I sing your praises everywhere I go.

• 5:56Speaker 00

  Stop it.

• 5:57Drew Afualo?

  I talk about you all the time, but I like, I literally am like Meghan Trainor is one of the nicest celebrities I have ever met. And I have met quite a few at this point. So like, I was like, no, she's the nicest. And this is a perfect example. Meghan invited me to her final concert.

• 6:12Speaker 00

  And you brought everyone.

• 6:13Drew Afualo?

  I did. And you text me and I said, I'm so sorry. I have family in town this weekend. So like, I don't, like, there's, there's too many of them. And she was like, how many do you need? And I said, 10, thinking there's no, that's literally 10, like 10 people, including me. And she went, perfect. Any more? And I'm like, oh, my god.

• 6:30Speaker 00

  I assumed there was more. I was like, anymore?

• 6:33Drew Afualo?

  And I brought all 10.

• 6:35Speaker 00

  Everywhere.

• 6:36Drew Afualo?

  I know. And that's another reason why I love you. Because when I went to your show, so fun, first of all.

• 6:40Speaker 00

  Thank you so much.

• 6:41Drew Afualo?

  Can I say, I saw, and this no tea, no shade, I saw Harry Styles in the exact same venue. Parking lot wasn't as full.

• 6:47Speaker 00

  Shut up.

• 6:48Drew Afualo?

  Do with that information what you will.

• 6:50Speaker 00

  Cause he had seven nights there.

• 6:51Drew Afualo?

  I'm just saying, I'm just saying.

• 6:53Speaker 00

  One and done, but.

• 6:54Drew Afualo?

  I've been there before and it was that house packed.

• 6:58Speaker 00

  I still, I'm still convinced, I tell my managers all the time that they paid people to show up. I'm like, ain't no way we sold it out.

• 7:04Drew Afualo?

  No, packed and emphatic fans everywhere. And honestly, when I was watching it, I was like, first of all, you're a star, obviously, which I knew. But I was like, she is so me because every part of your show is like, this is me and all the people I love. And you're gonna watch them. Sorry. Yeah, no, you know what, bring my kids out here. Yeah, no, everyone stay in your seat. I'm gonna bring my kids out here.

• 7:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 7:26Drew Afualo?

  Love it. I'm obsessed with you. I was like, she's so me. If I'm going on tour and I, yeah, it's about me and people I love.

• 7:32Speaker 00

  My brother opens for me.

• 7:33Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 7:34Speaker 00

  And that was his first time ever doing that, but like after the first show, yeah, with Chris Olsen.

• 7:38Drew Afualo?

  Who we share mutual love for. We're in a throuple.

• 7:40Speaker 00

  Yes, we are. And Ryan like blossomed into the superstar. We all know him at home as like the charismatic, everyone who meets me is like, where's Ryan? I'm like, mhm, my older brother. He's very cool, very fun. And on tour, he got to shine. Like he was a DJ. He doesn't know how to DJ. So he, he knew, so he went out there with a microphone and like dances with the entire crowd and everyone who shows up early, he's like, this is your treat for showing up early. And dances to my songs and then I always pop out as like a, thanks for coming to my brother's show.

• 8:10Drew Afualo?

  At your show.

• 8:11Speaker 00

  Yeah. So he's coming on tour with me again this summer on the Getting Girl Tour.

• 8:15Drew Afualo?

  Period.

• 8:16Speaker 00

  He's gonna be there. I got you 10 tickets for him.

• 8:18Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, amazing. And I'll, this time I'm gonna need 15. Just kidding. No, the 10 was honestly my family geeking. One thing about Psalm 1 people, they love Meghan Trainor. That's a fact. I swear to God, they love Meghan Trainor.

• 8:30Speaker 00

  And you all came back and took pictures of me. And I was like, my family's here.

• 8:33Drew Afualo?

  I know. My cousin Trini was like, are they gonna send that to me?

• 8:37Speaker 00

  Did you not get it?

• 8:38Drew Afualo?

  No, we got it.

• 8:38Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 8:40Drew Afualo?

  And I was like, she'll text it to me. I'll send it to you guys. She was like, oh, okay, perfect.

• 8:44Speaker 00

  The next day I had folders of each person and who got the pictures.

• 8:47Drew Afualo?

  Another thing about Meghan Trainor, when I was in that green room, never seen more people in my life, first of all. Took a lot of pics with your cardboard cutouts, obviously.

• 8:54Speaker 00

  My mother did all of those. My mother printed out from the tour, there was like 27 shows and so there were 27 outfits. And she ordered herself, paid for. I was like, what are you spending money for like this? You don't have those. She printed out twenty seven cardboard of each outfit.

• 9:09Drew Afualo?

  Life size, by the way.

• 9:10Speaker 00

  And the entire like green room.

• 9:12Drew Afualo?

  Yes, it was, it was Mega Trainer City.

• 9:14Speaker 00

  Oh my god, there's so many of me.

• 9:15Drew Afualo?

  I took so many pics with all of them, obviously, every single one.

• 9:19Speaker 00

  She's so smart though. She's like, no, you don't have to take a pic with everyone, which I did. I was like, whatever, it's my last night, I'm going out with a bang.

• 9:24Drew Afualo?

  Well, and that's why I was saying, you stood there and took pictures with all three hundred people in that.

• 9:29Speaker 00

  I loved it.

• 9:30Drew Afualo?

  You're just insane.

• 9:31Speaker 00

  It was my like big, it's the only way I can thank them back is I, I don't want to pick.

• 9:35Drew Afualo?

  Well, and that's why you putting your family on, again, me. Like, I was like, well, I'm sure I know someone who can do that. And I feel like that's very you in a lot of ways. And Chris Olson, also me, me and Chris Olson talk a lot about how much we love you. And he's even shared with me, I think he was actually on one of my New Year's episodes this year, or last year, sorry. Last year, because we're not in the new year yet. But last year, he was on my New Year's episode and he was actually telling me about you and saying how instrumental you were when he was recording, like, learning how to like, he was like, watching her work is crazy. And you're a studio girl? Okay, studio. Okay, producer.

• 10:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, that's like where I shine. Like, all this other stuff, I'm just like trying to get by and do, like, pretend I'm comfortable. But in the studio, I'm like gnarly and aggressive and I don't show it enough. I used to film it and I felt like, I was like, nobody cares. I put it on YouTube, like, whatever. But I need to start showing, like, I love when Ray shows all her vocals and all that stuff, because I live in that world, I live and breathe it, I love it so much. And everyone on my team who knows that is like, why don't you show that? I'm like, I'm gonna today, I promise. Today, I'm gonna do it.

• 10:41Drew Afualo?

  A genius.

• 10:41Speaker 00

  In this outfit.

• 10:42Drew Afualo?

  Like, literally right now.

• 10:44Speaker 00

  Reno.

• 10:44Drew Afualo?

  Well, you're literally a genius, obviously, like, but you're like an engineer, mama. I would love to do, have you always loved, like, producing, comping?

• 10:53Speaker 00

  I just like had to, because where I'm from, there wasn't like producers or musicians. I was like on a little island and they were like. Boating, you know, I don't know, they're they were

• 11:04Drew Afualo?

  Doing whatever they do out there on the boats.

• 11:06Speaker 00

  Eating lobsters and I was like, I'm gonna be a pop star, so I better learn how to do this. And my dad was very supportive and my mom and they were like, here's for Christmas, like my brothers would get Playstation and I'd get like a program to learn how to produce and my dad be like, I don't know what this is, but I heard you can make beats from Sweetwater. He like would read the Sweetwater Music Magazine every time he pooped and he was like, I found a new program. And then I would like learn it and study it and write him a whole song and show him that, so.

• 11:33Drew Afualo?

  And I know you love T-Pain too, because T-Pain is a genius.

• 11:37Speaker 00

  My king?

• 11:37Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, producer, but he also recognized you as a wonderful producer too. Talking about you and how amazing you are.

• 11:43Speaker 00

  I finally got to live my dreams on my 30th birthday. He, my, my family flew him out and surprised me and all day long, I was like, where is he? And they're like, Megan, he's not coming. And I was like,

• 11:53Drew Afualo?

  You're really, you're gonna, you're gonna get really disappointed.

• 11:55Speaker 00

  And they said no all day and I was like, damn, they really didn't get him. And then he like popped out of my studio bathroom and I was like crying and he immediately was like, don't go in there. And I was like, I saw him, we were making poop jokes.

• 12:06Drew Afualo?

  And a poop joke?

• 12:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 12:07Drew Afualo?

  Oh my god, it's my dream.

• 12:09Speaker 00

  I got to sit with him in the studio, my whole family got to watch me like show him my, my album and my songs and be like, you inspired these backgrounds. And he was like, what? He's like, that's crazy. And I was like, no, you were my everything.

• 12:20Drew Afualo?

  That's so fucking cool.

• 12:22Speaker 00

  So that was really nice.

• 12:22Drew Afualo?

  What's your favorite part of that, that skill that you have?

• 12:26Speaker 00

  In the studio?

• 12:26Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, in the studio. Like, what's your favorite part about that? Like, why do you love that so much?

• 12:30Speaker 00

  Oh man, there's nothing better than recording like, five-part harmonies and having 60 of me. I always wished there were so many more of me so we could be in a band, but like, my voice, my team like on my new album toy with me. They're like, try to be funky and weird and do one vocal. And I'm like, that's not what I do. And I tried to be different and weird and I ended up writing like a perfect pop album in my head again. And I was like, damn, sorry guys. It's just like, it's just like bubblegum deliciousness, easy, like easy to digest, but like impressive and it's really hard to do like simple pop music, but that is like catchy and says something. So that's, like I studied Max Martin and all these amazing producers that wrote all of our favorite songs, so.

• 13:15Speaker 00

  I'm really proud of it and

• 13:17Drew Afualo?

  Well, I wanna talk about the new album, so tell me about the new album. I want, wanna hear all about it.

• 13:22Speaker 00

  All my albums start with T, for train it, represent. And so I, I've been playing with a lot of toys and I've been obsessed with Pop Mart. Um, like how the La Bubu thing had his moment, but I was like, I'm a crybaby girl. I love Pop Mart.

• 13:34Drew Afualo?

  Loves crybabies, those are her favorites.

• 13:37Speaker 00

  Um, and I play with toys with my kids all day long and I was like. I, I noticed with my children, like being with them and playing with them. They're four and two, like they don't have any worries of the world, you know, they're not even stressed. And all my doctors and team were like, you're too stressed, like my, your cortisol's through the roof. And your adrenals are shot and you're working on an empty gas tank and you're doing too much. And I'm like, mm gee. And they're like, be with your children more and try to live in that world. And I was like. I wish my album, when you looked at it and listened to it, it made you escape to like their happiness and their peace for a minute.

• 14:14Speaker 00

  I wrote a lot of, like, I worked extra hard on this album, took like twice as long. I did a whole nother album at the same time, which was a mistake and that's where I had the burnout.

• 14:23Drew Afualo?

  And you're like, and I think that's what they're talking about when they say I work too much.

• 14:29Speaker 00

  But this, the pop songs like took me forever and I really dug into it and. Um, tried stuff I've never done before and it definitely like you could hear it and I can't wait to send you everything tonight. But it's not coming out till April unfortunately, and then we're going on tour in the summer because my four year old's in school now. And I don't wanna mess with his school time because he loves it. So unfortunately, nerd, he loves it, so I have to go around in the summer. But there's only like ten amphitheater shows and then there's twenty indoor arenas, so we'll have AC.

• 15:00Drew Afualo?

  Oh, girl.

• 15:01Speaker 00

  Indoors.

• 15:02Drew Afualo?

  You are crazy.

• 15:03Speaker 00

  But yeah, my kids are coming and they're stoked. They're like, when is tour? I'm like, relax.

• 15:07Drew Afualo?

  Do you do bus tour?

• 15:08Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 15:09Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 15:09Speaker 00

  We do.

• 15:12Speaker 00

  We're not in the planes, no, we're on that bus.

• 15:15Drew Afualo?

  And you bring a plus twelve like me.

• 15:17Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. Like they're, they're like, do you wanna? Bend out of pocket and get another bus? And I'm like. I'm like, or do I want more room so that my family can be on a bus and be with me? I'm like, yeah, I need that. It's a lot of us, it's so much. My mom's like, I'll sacrifice myself, I won't go. I'm not touring without you, so figure it out.

• 15:40Speaker 00

  No, I need my mommy.

• 15:41Drew Afualo?

  You're literally so me. Like, I've told my mom, oh my god, when I went first tour ever last summer with my sister, um, never done it, did a bus. I was like kinda nervous, cuz like, one of the main things, my manager's like a big touring guy, like, he's toured musical acts forever. He was like, the main thing is you can't poop on the bus, right? And I was like, when he told us that, I was like, what does that mean? Like, what if I have to shit myself?

• 16:04Speaker 00

  Means when you have to poop, you can't.

• 16:06Drew Afualo?

  That means you tell someone, they pull over, and either you go in the field somewhere, or you go somewhere else. And I was like, okay, so we were literally planning meals around that, because I was like, I have to bring my whole family, like, I just have to. Especially if my sister's coming, I'm like, I'm gonna have to airlift her out of there.

• 16:22Speaker 00

  Or is it like, after every meal?

• 16:24Drew Afualo?

  We would ra- I think, wake up in the next city, and then we would go in the day room, and then if anyone had to do business, they'd do it in the hotel.

• 16:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 16:31Drew Afualo?

  But thankfully, it actually wasn't that bad. I was honestly nervous to live on a bus for like a month, and it was actually the best. I was like, I like preferred that after a while.

• 16:39Speaker 00

  Did you travel mostly at night?

• 16:40Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 16:41Speaker 00

  That's why the pooping thing wasn't hard for me, cuz I don't poop at like, I like, I would get on that bus at eleven after the shows.

• 16:45Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 16:46Speaker 00

  And would tucky tucky night night. And then I'd wake up, and they'd be like, we're in a new city, get up. And like, your kids wanna go to the museum, I'm like, okay, no, perfect, yeah, I was like, here I come. I can't wait to go to another children's museum.

• 16:59Drew Afualo?

  Oh my god, you taking kids on the road, I can't even imagine. Oh my god, I was, I barely made it out alive. I was like, I-

• 17:05Speaker 00

  No, I was sick, and they got sick, and I was like, I'm doomed, and then I got sick. It was like two months, and we all got sick.

• 17:13Drew Afualo?

  Love that big germ.

• 17:15Speaker 00

  I didn't even know too, like, that was the first time, and I had a three-year-old and a one-year-old, so now I have a four-year-old and a two-year-old, but I didn't know, like, are they, do they get carsick, like, will they sleep on that bus? They slept like, perfect on the bus. Only one night Riley woke up and was like, where am I? And I was like, I'm above you, you're okay. But, um, one day, we drove on the bus extra long till like two PM, and that boy threw up all over the bus. And I was like, he carsick, pull over, screw this, like, so now we know too, in the schedule, we're like, if it's a long, we only had like one long flight in the next tour, I was like, I'm flying him.

• 17:48Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 17:49Speaker 00

  Like, lose all the money, just go.

• 17:51Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, when we, we had to fly a couple times on the tour, and like, uh, flying like, that many people, and like, everyone's- And it's so like anxiety inducing like and I remember the first time we flew to like half our party's names were wrong, so they all got turned away at TSA. And then we had to go back and like fix that and then we were running to our plane. It felt like that scene in Home Alone when they're running to like ah like back and forth.

• 18:16Speaker 00

  The toddler too through the security.

• 18:18Drew Afualo?

  You're stronger than me.

• 18:19Speaker 00

  They're like, why? I'm like, let me hold you.

• 18:22Drew Afualo?

  We don't have time for this.

• 18:25Speaker 00

  It's a lot.

• 18:26Drew Afualo?

  Well, what are you excited for people to hear about this album?

• 18:29Speaker 00

  Oh, man, um.

• 18:33Speaker 00

  God.

• 18:39Speaker 02

  Welcome to 215 Maple Drive. We just put this property on the market.

• 18:45Speaker 03

  Love the crown molding.

• 18:46Speaker 02

  Oh, wait until you see the walk-in closets and the bathroom tile.

• 18:50Speaker 03

  Does it have Verizon FiOS? You know, 100% fiber internet.

• 18:54Speaker 02

  No FiOS, but it looks like it's got cable. Let's check out the kitchen.

• 18:57Speaker 03

  No FiOS? Yeah, no, thank you.

• 19:01Speaker 02

  Don't you want to see the rest? Okay, bye-bye.

• 19:03Speaker 04

  Get Verizon FiOS because when you're moving, it's 100% or nothing.

• 19:11Speaker 00

  I studied, I was doing a lot of private shows when I wrote this album and I noticed all my hits were like all over the place. Like, um, which is like fun and great and I think why I have so many different fans of different ages. But I was, I always felt bad for my song "No." I feel bad for them like they're people. I feel bad for "No" and "Me Too" because they felt like their own lane. And when I would dress up in these, I've been playing with my new stylist, Daniel Brown, and our pop star outfits and we've been just going nuts.

• 19:41Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 19:42Speaker 00

  But I'd come out there looking like a doll because we were doing Toy with Me and I was like, I'll be a little doll. But then I'd be like, my name is No. And I was like, I don't know, this fits with this section. So I tried to write those songs like an older sister or like a cool best friend.

• 19:57Drew Afualo?

  That's cool.

• 19:58Speaker 00

  So if you like my songs like "No" and "Me Too," I have their cousins on this new album.

• 20:04Drew Afualo?

  I love the way you look at music like that. Like you personify it. I love it. No, I love that. I think that's really cool. Opens up the world for creativity, I feel like.

• 20:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's great.

• 20:14Drew Afualo?

  Artist's brain.

• 20:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, I'm like, this one was a hit. Why? Let's study it. And we're in the room like listening to it like, okay, I think I got it. And then. Uh, and then I do my classic doo-wop stuff that people seem to like and Uh, I have only, I don't do a lot of slow songs. I'm a dancer. I'm not, but I've been doing dance lessons. I'm like, I want to dance. I want you to come to my show and feel like, like, let's Rage and have fun and forget all our problems, you know, and just dance and have a good time.

• 20:38Drew Afualo?

  Absolutely. I will say too about your fans because you were saying they span all ages. That is so true.

• 20:43Speaker 00

  There's grandparents at my shows.

• 20:44Drew Afualo?

  Your fans span, it is, I literally said this to someone. I was like, she has the most diverse Audience I've ever seen at a live show.

• 20:52Speaker 00

  It's bizarre, yeah.

• 20:54Drew Afualo?

  It's actually insane.

• 20:55Speaker 00

  To the point where we're like, on this album too, we've never worked hard around visually, like, what do we want this to look like? What world, like, who am I as an artist? Like,

• 21:02Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 21:03Speaker 00

  Um, cause right now the pop music is so amazing and so inspiring, but it's so like, That person is for that. And this person is for this. And I'm like, who am I? For who? And my manager has known me since I was 19 and been with me ever since. And he's like, my children's godfather is everything.

• 21:19Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 21:20Speaker 00

  I was like, Tommy, what am I? And he's like, I want you, like, with this toy with me, to feel like Pixar, to feel like The kids love it, the teenagers get it, and the parents get it too. You know, like, the grandparents are like, we love saying no to men, you know? Like, but the amount of dads I see that are like, name is, no, sing with me, honey.

• 21:39Drew Afualo?

  I've never seen more grown men singing alongside their wives. Yeah, I said, and a lot of, lot of women in like their 40s and 50s, like, girls' night out.

• 21:47Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 21:48Drew Afualo?

  Wine o'clock for those women. Lots of cold shoulders and ankle boots. Love it, queens. Go to the M Train concert. Love it, queens.

• 21:56Speaker 00

  I also have so many moms and daughters too.

• 21:59Drew Afualo?

  Yes, it's the cutest thing ever.

• 22:01Speaker 00

  I went through security at my last promo trip and this mom was working TSA and she was like, I went to the forum show with my seven-year-old look and showed her and me, or her and Her daughter having the best time ever. And I was like, ah, so sweet, thank you.

• 22:15Drew Afualo?

  So sweet. And the show was a banger, I can confirm.

• 22:18Speaker 00

  And like, having kids too, I want to play them all the music in the music videos. And my four-year-old was like, I want the weekend. I'm like, alright. And then it's just him with blood in his face. I'm like, whoa, next one, hold on. So, I'm also trying to think of like, oh, I want to play in the household. I want to I want parents to be like, pop this one on.

• 22:35Drew Afualo?

  Oh, hell yeah.

• 22:36Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:37Drew Afualo?

  I was like, girl, when I'm in like, from anything from a mall to like, America's tires, I'm hearing Meghan Trainor. It's hitting everywhere.

• 22:44Speaker 00

  CBS, I love you.

• 22:46Drew Afualo?

  CBS loves Meghan Trainor.

• 22:48Speaker 00

  The amount of videos my mother sends me of the zoomed in speaker that no one can hear. And it's just like, it's better when I'm dancing. And I'm like, thank you, mommy.

• 22:56Drew Afualo?

  Thanks, queen.

• 22:57Speaker 00

  To this day, yeah, I'm my number one fan.

• 22:59Drew Afualo?

  What do you, what's, uh, what would you say is different about this album? Like, what separates this from your vast discography?

• 23:06Speaker 00

  Oh, man. Uh, I'm just thirty-one now and you can hear it in my writing and my lyrics. I did get very angry. I learned with my therapist, I'm angry. I'm sad and angry. And, but I'm also so happy.

• 23:20Drew Afualo?

  That's obvious with you.

• 23:21Speaker 00

  It's not. It's always hidden. Everyone's like, how do you do it all? And I'm like, nah. Cry some money, me. Um, but yeah, so I, I also saw a loved one go through a terrible breakup. And so I wrote a lot of, like, let me help you get over that breakup, girl songs. That's getting girl is one of those songs.

• 23:39Drew Afualo?

  Tea.

• 23:40Speaker 00

  And I'm like, girl, I'm outside. I already broke up with him for you. I packed up your bags. Like, he's only a man. Screw him. Let's go.

• 23:47Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 23:48Speaker 00

  Get in and go shopping. So, there's a lot of like, if you're in a bad mood, pop this on and feel better, which is like, all I'm trying to bring to the world is a little bubble of joy. Um, and then I have, my one ballad is for my kids. It's called Little One and it's like, for the love of God, stay this young forever. Like, my little four-year-old already is like, I want to be a grown-up. And I'm like, ew, don't say that.

• 24:09Drew Afualo?

  I'm gonna freak out.

• 24:10Speaker 00

  I was like, ew, like, he will only wear plain clothes. It's the kid who loves the buildings, obviously. He's like, I want, in my new room, I'm like, you want rocket ships still? He's like, I want white walls. I want it to look like your room. I was like, huh? He's like, I want white bed, white walls, no art, I want no rocket ships, no lights, all plain. And I was like, ew. I was like, why?

• 24:29Drew Afualo?

  What is going on with you?

• 24:31Speaker 00

  Cause I want to be a grown-up. And I'm like, no. And then he won't wear, when I show him his clothes too, I'm like, oh, Paw Patrol shirt. He's like, no, plain please. And I'm like, why? He's like, cause grown-ups wear plain clothes. I was like, You're already pissing me off.

• 24:44Drew Afualo?

  I know, being your child has been funnier.

• 24:46Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 24:47Drew Afualo?

  You're the silliest goose I've ever met.

• 24:49Speaker 00

  I know, I was like, but my dude, we gotta wear like fun colors, this is our only chance.

• 24:53Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and he's like, mom, please.

• 24:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 24:56Drew Afualo?

  Please, I like, I have an image to uphold.

• 24:58Speaker 00

  The kid with the glasses too, like, come on, I'm like, you're already an adult.

• 25:02Drew Afualo?

  He's living up to the name of the glasses, he's like, do you see my glasses?

• 25:04Speaker 00

  He's like, I'm a scientist.

• 25:05Drew Afualo?

  Obviously.

• 25:06Speaker 00

  Yeah?

• 25:07Drew Afualo?

  I do want to say too, I, the first music video I was ever in was yours.

• 25:11Speaker 00

  Made you look?

• 25:11Drew Afualo?

  For Made You Look.

• 25:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 25:12Drew Afualo?

  Which is so funny because-

• 25:13Speaker 00

  Thank you for coming to that day.

• 25:14Drew Afualo?

  Oh, girl, that's what I want to talk about.

• 25:16Speaker 00

  It was the hottest world record day in all of Los Angeles.

• 25:19Drew Afualo?

  Ninety thousand degrees in that room.

• 25:21Speaker 00

  With no air conditioning.

• 25:22Drew Afualo?

  But, still ate it. You still chewed down, but I want to say a few highlights from that day for me. First off, when we pull up, my, I brought my whole family, obviously. And we were going straight to the airport after, so everyone's in airport clothes except me, I'm in full glam, obviously. And when we got in, the guy goes, are you guys the dancers? And my dad goes, I don't know.

• 25:44Speaker 00

  Probably.

• 25:45Drew Afualo?

  My dad, my dad a fifty year old man, hmm.

• 25:49Speaker 00

  I don't know.

• 25:49Drew Afualo?

  And I literally, I literally told him, I said, no, you're not the dan- we're not the dancers, I don't know why he's hesitating on that. Like, my dad nervous like he didn't learn the choreography in time.

• 25:58Speaker 00

  I don't know.

• 25:58Drew Afualo?

  No one told me about the routine, like, girl, I said, get to the back of the group, please. And then we go inside and it's like, we were getting ready, everyone's getting ready, then you come over, you say hi to everyone, because you're lovely and amazing, and so does Daryl. Because you're both lovely and amazing. And I remember when I was, they were like, oh, let's do a fitting. I like went in there, it was the room across from yours, and you were like, if you fucking hate it, tell them you hate it.

• 26:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 26:22Drew Afualo?

  If it's ugly, it's ugly, tell them. Because it's- Got it, girl.

• 26:26Speaker 00

  We don't get to choose like the other stylist, we don't, I only see it on site, so I went down to the, my dancers, who had been with me for years, and I saw their face when they were getting styled, and I was like, you hate it? And they're like, we hate it, and I'm like, okay, we're gonna start over.

• 26:42Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 26:43Speaker 00

  And I took their clothes off and I said, ready, set, run, pick out your outfits, whatever you like, you get to wear today. And the stylist was like, what the fuck? I was like, I'm so sorry, we don't have time for this, I can't have them hate it.

• 26:53Drew Afualo?

  Hate it, tell them.

• 26:55Speaker 00

  So then I was like, oh god, what's the rest of the fit, like, team look like, like, it's, it was bizarre.

• 27:00Drew Afualo?

  Just me, JoJo Siwa, Rami Bader, all of us, also Honey Balenciaga.

• 27:08Speaker 00

  Yes, Honey Balenciaga! I was like, I had it first!

• 27:12Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, just us in a dream.

• 27:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 27:13Drew Afualo?

  You know us, when you think of Megatrain, you think of us.

• 27:15Speaker 00

  I kept trying to steal people and put them in the one room that had air conditioning. I was like, just go sit there for a minute.

• 27:20Drew Afualo?

  You were like, the, just the best that day, doing all kinds of jobs that were not yours, um, which I.

• 27:26Speaker 00

  Oh, you saw me at my full, first panic attack, too.

• 27:28Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and you literally text me when I was on the plane. I text you, I was like, hey, thank you so much again for having me, like, what an honor, and my family, and then you were like, I'm so sorry, you saw me be a fucking monster. And I was like, I honestly thought it was the funniest thing I've ever seen, because you going, no, hate that, and every time you were checking the camera and you were like, no, don't like that, and you were giving very clear instruction. And all those men were not listening.

• 27:53Speaker 00

  Sorry.

• 27:53Drew Afualo?

  They were not.

• 27:54Speaker 00

  Sorry, editor, I'm so sorry.

• 27:56Drew Afualo?

  They were not listening.

• 27:57Speaker 00

  Men are so tough, straight men, straight men on tour are so, are on sets are really tough, lighting, everything.

• 28:02Drew Afualo?

  I can't even imagine.

• 28:03Speaker 00

  And they're like, I've done this for 12 years, and I'm like, oh, it looks bad.

• 28:06Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and oh, well, you're doing a bad job for 12 years then.

• 28:09Speaker 00

  And that was like, it was like Smart Suites, so we had a deal, and I was like, I want them to be happy with this, and it's nowhere, you can't see it, so that's why I kept looking at the monitor going, I don't see it.

• 28:19Drew Afualo?

  You were going a million miles, and even.

• 28:20Speaker 00

  I had to do seven jobs.

• 28:23Drew Afualo?

  And you, she, I'm not even kidding, you would get out of your spot and go move artwork, like, you were like that, I hate that, so you were taking them down, and you're 5'1" ish. And then you're going and hanging it on another thing, and you miss like twice, and you're all, can someone fucking help me, because this also isn't my job. I'm laughing, bitch, I'm la, I giggled.

• 28:44Speaker 00

  Because the anger really only shows, not often, that's like the one said that it shows, but the heat. Fucked me up so bad that I was like, at one point in that room too, it was like this big, and there was like 50 people, and I noticed, I knew some of them, and I was like, you don't have to be here. So I went, okay, if you don't have to be here right now, could you get out? We can't breathe, get the fuck out, I just want to get the shot, and because I was like, Drew's got to go on a plane, we got to get this fucking now.

• 29:10Drew Afualo?

  No, and that's why I said you're the nicest person in the world, because you're managing every, well, that's also not your job, like, that's why you walking around doing that was crazy to watch. Because also at one point, uh, yeah, at one point, it felt like the, the guy was like, you do it then, like, he was like being like a bitch about it, I was like, you're like, can you just try this? Okay, you do it.

• 29:30Speaker 00

  It was dumb.

• 29:31Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and then that one yell.

• 29:32Speaker 00

  But now I pick, I learned from that and I, I learned, I found this amazing team now that's a great art department, great team. And I'm like, never leave my side. Cause they get it. And I always tell, I get scared too, cause the directors and art department will promise you the world and then you show up and you're like, where is it?

• 29:48Drew Afualo?

  Right, you're like, that's not what you showed me on camera. Yeah, so this is kinda, no, and you were so lovely the entire day. That's why those two seconds, I'm giggling.

• 29:59Speaker 00

  Ice cream cried just so hard on my home.

• 30:02Drew Afualo?

  Chris told me after the fact, and you told me after the fact too. Also, you sent the nicest gifts to everybody afterwards to thank them.

• 30:08Speaker 00

  Well, I, I, that's why I don't, like a lot of people, they're like, oh my god, are you gonna have celebrities in your videos? I'm like, no, it's a nightmare. Like, cause it's a lot of work for you guys and it's like to show up and run me.

• 30:19Drew Afualo?

  I'd be happy to do that for you.

• 30:20Speaker 00

  Everyone was like, I was like, is there food for everyone? Like, they're hungry. Do we have water? We had just had warm water for everyone?

• 30:27Drew Afualo?

  No, you really were the nicest, like.

• 30:29Speaker 00

  My mom was, she misses you by the way, and she worships you. She says happy birthday to mama.

• 30:34Drew Afualo?

  I do love your mom.

• 30:35Speaker 00

  Oh, I also came here strictly for one thing, to tell you that you and Caleb need a show.

• 30:42Speaker 00

  And.

• 30:43Drew Afualo?

  My sister in Christ, Caleb Heron. Yes, of course.

• 30:46Speaker 00

  I love you Caleb.

• 30:47Drew Afualo?

  He's the best.

• 30:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 30:48Drew Afualo?

  I hate him, but he's the best.

• 30:51Speaker 00

  I love you too, when you speak together. I need your advice, because you're the queen of this, of getting mean dumb comments.

• 30:58Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 30:59Speaker 00

  And then you would dress them so well when you're pooping on the potty. And like, I can't address them, I'll just say.

• 31:04Drew Afualo?

  That's my studio.

• 31:06Speaker 00

  Okay, that's, yeah. You're so good in it. And sometimes I pretend to have your like, strong funny jokes when I read my bad comments, when I get, I break and get disheveled. I wanted to ask you, since we're on my show, I wanted to ask you, when you first started this career, like, did you feel broken down? And are, like, I heard years ago, I don't know if this is real, but the Kardashians are like, well, we've heard it all. So like, what's gonna hurt us now?

• 31:34Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 31:35Speaker 00

  Like, do you feel like you're stronger nowadays with it? That you're like, ha ha. Or, like, does it get better?

• 31:40Drew Afualo?

  I guess my question is, yeah. I mean, well, one thing I will say, and I will validate for you, is that, uh, TikTok has really like changed and warped the ability to comment on people, like.

• 31:54Drew Afualo?

  Personally, like famous people or people they deem to be famous. It's given them a mic that and a lens that is like far more like intense than we've ever experienced before.

• 32:05Speaker 00

  Right, it's almost like worse than tabloid.

• 32:07Drew Afualo?

  Right, and you've been in this industry for a long time, so you know like how perverse tabloids themselves can be or like, you know, entertainment channels.

• 32:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, I've read like, oh, Meghan's died and I'm like, silly, huh huh, but like, these are like.

• 32:20Drew Afualo?

  This isn't a new level of it and I think it's, it's because it, the gift of virality is poison in a lot of ways. It's, it's a curse in a lot of ways, so it's like, it almost incentivizes people to talk shit because that's what gets views.

• 32:34Speaker 00

  It's like whoever has the nastiest comment wins.

• 32:36Drew Afualo?

  Right, and whoever's the meanest and the most like, and it's, you know, you can make videos saying shit like, well, like, this is just my opinion, but like, your opinion is based on something that you perceive to be true about someone, because you don't actually know those people, right? So I do find commentary on women especially, just generally on TikTok is so evil and mean in a lot of ways.

• 33:00Speaker 00

  Right, it's getting worse?

• 33:02Drew Afualo?

  It's, yeah, like, it's getting worse in the sense that it's, it's becoming like, almost, it's enacting this like prey drive in people like, oh, like, I could go viral if I do this.

• 33:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, or they can have the most likes on their comment.

• 33:13Drew Afualo?

  Right, they're like, I could like build a platform, I could get followers and that's like, it's becoming like a witch hunt almost to say like, who can say the meanest thing? Who can say the most fucked up thing or who can make up the most egregious story about someone and then, you hear it so many times, like my sister called it, um, like, the worst game of telephone, like, someone will,

• 33:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 33:32Drew Afualo?

  think something's true, say it, and then twelve steps down the line, it's true, and now there's thirty thousand other details added to it. And none of it's true, like, not one part of it is true. And there's nothing really you can do because when you defend yourself, it's like, oh, people should be allowed to have their opinions. Right, and I should be allowed to say something, like, every time I, this is a silly ass example compared to how people treat you, because I'm so much smaller in terms of celebrity, but like, The summer I turned pretty. I was watching that show over the summer. Loved that show. Read the books. I love that corny ass show down. I was posting my silly ass takes about it. I've been doing it for years. This past summer bitch, they were attacking me from all angles.

• 34:15Speaker 00

  Your opinions about the show?

• 34:17Drew Afualo?

  About this made up fucking show about a throuple couple and brothers. Like, who gives a fuck? Like, oh my god, who fucking cares? But like, I was being attacked in a way that was like genuinely concerning to me. And it's, they're like, well, that's just my opinion. And then when I say something, I'm like, okay, well, this is fucked up and I'm gonna talk about why it's fucked up to send me hateful messages over this bullshit. They would be like, you're putting me on blast and that's also fucked up. Like, you're not blurring my name, you're not doing... I've never blurred names. In the history of time, I've never blurred names because I truly believe if you feel confident enough to send a nasty message like that to someone you don't know, then you should be confident enough for everybody to see it. Including your job. The amount of people that were like,

• 35:01Drew Afualo?

  I have a job. Maybe you should have thought of that before you sent me a mean ass fucking message. So, a long-winded response, but to your question, like, I've never really cared about like, people attacking me, like looks wise, whatever. Namely men, obviously, but like, I do get what you mean though about women. Like, when it's women or any other group of people that you love and care about.

• 35:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 35:23Drew Afualo?

  And they're saying these things of like, this is not me being a hater, this is just my opinion. Like, it's, it's hurtful because you're like, I love you and I care about you and I don't have any ill will towards you. Like, why are you attacking me?

• 35:35Speaker 00

  And then they just send more hate towards you.

• 35:37Drew Afualo?

  Right. And then they're like, well, I wasn't trying to do that. I'm just trying to give... So it's a whole roundabout circle, right? And that's why in therapy, like, I literally just said this on my last episode, I work aggressively on this in therapy. I have the opposite problem of you where I like, I'm filled with rage to a point where I'm like, I worked really hard to change that person. Hey. Keep her down. Feels like venom taking over me like.

• 36:01Speaker 00

  My anger has gotten more aggressive.

• 36:03Drew Afualo?

  And so my therapist who has talked to me a lot about like validating my own feelings like. Cause she's even told me it what you do is not normal, like being perceived by that many people is not normal. Hearing people give their opinions on who you are as a person who don't know you is not normal. So like. Everything you're feeling like hurt, angry, upset, offended, like all of the feelings you're feeling. Those are real feelings that anybody would feel if they were being attacked like this.

• 36:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:31Drew Afualo?

  And so like over time, I think I what I've gotten better at is not necessarily like not caring. I've gotten better at like letting go. Right? So it's like I've let go of like, there is just a certain sect of people that are never gonna like understand, try to listen. Like really give a shit about whether or not I'm actually a good person. There's a certain subset of people that are never gonna be that way with me and I have to let go of that. Like I think I was like clinging so hard to the idea of like. I am a good person. I know I'm a good person. Like I try to do all these things to prove I'm a good person. But at the end of the day, if someone doesn't want to believe that's true, they're just not going to, right? So I think like my biggest thing has been letting go. Like I I need to let go of what I cannot control. That includes people commentating on me like and being like.

• 37:17Drew Afualo?

  I don't know. She just gives bad vibes like that fucking bullshit. Like when they say things like. Yeah, I had a friend once that shopped next to her. And they said she was rude as fuck to the cashier. All of a sudden it goes down the line, then it's like I'm pushing people over at the grocery store like. You can't control them like it's like rumor mills are moving a thousand times faster than they ever have.

• 37:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:38Drew Afualo?

  With TikTok like it's just it's gross and evil and weird and I have to like remind myself. This isn't real. The internet's not real.

• 37:46Speaker 00

  Right?

• 37:46Drew Afualo?

  This job I have is low key made up. So like.

• 37:49Speaker 00

  It's so tough for the mental health.

• 37:51Drew Afualo?

  Right. It's it's like. I honestly, I was just talking about this in my last episode. I was like, my empathy for women who have been doing this for a long time, you included, has only grown. Because I cannot.

• 38:03Speaker 00

  I've been trying to reach out to more people of like, hey, do you need a friend? Because I do.

• 38:08Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, like, literally, like, let's talk about it.

• 38:10Speaker 00

  Because I, yeah, my family members try to help, and I'm like, you don't know what this feels like.

• 38:14Drew Afualo?

  You don't get it, yeah, like.

• 38:15Speaker 00

  I love you so much. Even my therapist, like, she's the best, and she's like, well, you can change how you feel about it. And I'm like, no, I can't, because my body wants to cry.

• 38:23Drew Afualo?

  And I would have already done that.

• 38:25Speaker 00

  And I'm like, it's, it's like, only people who've been through it understand what I feel like, you know, so.

• 38:31Drew Afualo?

  Like, the incessant, like, um, what is it, like, analyzing of you.

• 38:36Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:36Drew Afualo?

  Over and over and over again.

• 38:37Speaker 00

  And it just makes me like, ten times more, like, I never want my kids to be on social.

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• 38:52Speaker 03

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• 38:54Speaker 02

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• 38:58Speaker 03

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• 39:01Speaker 02

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• 39:05Speaker 03

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• 39:48Speaker 00

  Social media. Cause I open my phone, I go, oops, sad now. So like, I have to type in every day when I go on social media, like, bunnies.

• 39:57Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, like something to curate, something else.

• 39:59Speaker 00

  Cause for some reason too, you know, your phone hears you. It'll send me videos of people hating me. Because they're like, well, you, you look up, you want Meghan Trainor, right? I'm like, no, I don't. I don't want to fucking block my name. Like, I don't want to see that.

• 40:12Drew Afualo?

  Well, and I, I saw something once that Ariana Grande has said before that she doesn't look at anything anymore. That her mom and like team haven't looked at first. So like, she's just completely cut herself off from it.

• 40:23Speaker 00

  That's my sad part too, is my mom reads everything first.

• 40:26Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 40:27Speaker 00

  Like if I come to her crying about something, she's like, I know babe. I'm like, that's gotta be rattling to your mental health.

• 40:33Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and it's like, I, I do feel bad about.

• 40:35Speaker 00

  It's her baby.

• 40:35Drew Afualo?

  I, well, and I feel bad about that too with, with family members. Like, I get what you mean, cause you like, it almost starts to feel like you're crying about the same things. Or like, you're upset about the same things and like, nothing's changing.

• 40:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 40:46Drew Afualo?

  And I was like telling my therapist this the other day, I was saying like, autonomy is huge for me, clearly. I'm like, I care a lot about women's autonomy, I care a lot about being able to do anything I want to do, right? That includes how I react to things, obviously. But I, I feel like in that, I feel helpless. And I was telling her, like, that's the worst part. The worst part is like, there is no solution, like, really. The solution is to stop caring.

• 41:11Speaker 00

  It's so hard when they say that. They're like, you choose how you react to it. I'm like.

• 41:16Drew Afualo?

  Right, and like, uh.

• 41:17Speaker 00

  I just go, well, I'm too weak.

• 41:18Drew Afualo?

  I've even joked about this with Caleb and Brittany, like, those are, are perfect examples of people I've talked to this a lot about, like privately too. And one time we were talking about something and we were all crying at dinner because it was just like a rough day or month we were all having. And, um, Caleb was like, sometimes I just wish, like, I don't know. And I was like, like I wasn't a good person. And he was like, yeah, like, sometimes I wish, sometimes I wish, cause there are, and I've said this before too. There are people online or famous people that do not deserve the platform they have because they are bad people, that is true. I'm not one of them, and neither is Meghan Trainor. Like, that's, I'm so serious, you are right about that. You're choosing the wrong targets. Like, that's what I want to say so badly sometimes.

• 42:01Drew Afualo?

  But those people who still have platforms, who are still famous, right, still make a lot of money. Those people don't care.

• 42:09Speaker 00

  I know.

• 42:10Drew Afualo?

  They don't give a fuck.

• 42:11Speaker 00

  Not caring.

• 42:11Drew Afualo?

  They they don't care, like they don't care what things people say about them, they don't care about rumors, they don't care about

• 42:17Speaker 00

  I know it's possible.

• 42:18Drew Afualo?

  Right, and but see that's

• 42:19Speaker 00

  What do I gotta do?

• 42:20Drew Afualo?

  But see, that's the difference, is like, they're not good people, that's why they don't give a shit. But you are a good person, so you do care, and it's not, the problem is not that you care, the problem, I think, is that it's holding on to it. And like, carrying it, shouldering it.

• 42:34Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 42:34Drew Afualo?

  And so it's like, I'm a very, obviously, self-assured, confident person, clearly. This job, and even fans, like, people who love me, like, they have brought up things where I'm like, okay, so like, I never noticed that about myself. And now I'm gonna think about it for the rest of my life, thanks, queen.

• 42:52Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 42:53Drew Afualo?

  Oh my god, thank you. I like, I I, that has happened a lot of times too, where it's like, it's growing almost new insecurities, or new things to be afraid of.

• 43:02Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 43:02Drew Afualo?

  And I know you

• 43:03Speaker 00

  Afraid to speak.

• 43:03Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, like, afraid to say the wrong thing, afraid to be perceived incorrectly. But I think, over time, I've learned to let go, a little bit more, about like, the further up I go, the further deep into this industry I go, the less control I'm gonna have.

• 43:17Speaker 00

  I always tried to tell Chris Olsen, when, if he would get hate, he would always address it, I'm like, don't address it, like, the more hate you're getting, that means, the more success you're getting, you're doing great, so, but then when it happens to me, I'm like, am I getting more success? I just feel, just hate.

• 43:30Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it's hard to take your own advice.

• 43:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 43:33Drew Afualo?

  Well, and it's also like, I think, and this is something that we've talked about too, and I've talked about with many celebrities, influencers, you name it. Um, when I like, react or talk back to people, and I'm like, actually, you're not allowed to like, say shit that's not true about me. It's funny, because I am allowed to tell you you're wrong, and that's not cool to say. Every time I post anything like that, all blue checks in my messages going, I love that you do this, I love that you say something, I love that you

• 44:01Speaker 00

  You're so brave. Thank you for all of us, for doing that.

• 44:05Drew Afualo?

  Well, and that's why, I'm like, I'm trying to encourage you that like, If it really does bother and you do wanna say something, you have every right to. But if you don't want to and you wanna protect yourself, that's also okay too. Like it's really whatever works best for you.

• 44:21Speaker 00

  Know the science. I know I don't owe anybody anything.

• 44:25Drew Afualo?

  No, but that's not the point. The point is like, it's like what makes you feel better. Like, does it feel better to like? Respond to it and like wait to see what happens? Does it feel better to?

• 44:34Speaker 00

  What to say to all of it. I like. I guess like. If I've hurt people out there that. Loved me and grew up with me and listened to my music and listened to all about that bass and I. I've hurt you by trying to take care of myself and live forever so I can be with my kids forever. And feel healthy and not pull my back when I lift them out of the crib. Like I'm, I'm really sorry. That. Me focusing on my health has hurt you in that way. But I have to put myself first and I have to take care of. My, my family and myself and I. My biggest fear on all of all.

• 45:15Speaker 00

  Is dying. My biggest fear is not being healthy and dying too soon.

• 45:22Speaker 00

  I'm a hypochondriac and I've been. Like taking my blood levels and testing my poop and my pee and everything and. My blood results were going towards. An autoimmune disease.

• 45:34Drew Afualo?

  Because of your stress levels.

• 45:36Speaker 00

  And my, and not taking care of myself. I was always sick. I could barely tour. I had to cancel the whole tour if anyone remembers cuz I was so ill. And I had to do vocal surgery cuz I was coughing so much. So I was like, hey, after having gestational diabetes with my first pregnancy. I was like, oh, this is the first time I actually have to watch what I eat, write it down, tell the doctor, prove to them with my. Blood sugars four times a day like I did good. Like I got good blood and then I learned. That, that was five years ago now.

• 46:06Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 46:06Speaker 00

  That like, oh, what you eat changes your levels throughout the day and and then I started being obsessed with it, being like, oh, I wanna study health more and I wanna like, meet with a dietitian and learn how to exercise correctly, cuz I would just like waste my life trying to run dude a mile and be like, why am I getting stronger? Cuz I had to lift heavy.

• 46:26Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 46:27Speaker 00

  So I've learned so much, it's been five years, a lot of people are like, it's been overnight, I'm like, no, I've been working on this.

• 46:33Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, they just haven't been paying attention to.

• 46:34Speaker 00

  Haven't been here, yeah.

• 46:35Drew Afualo?

  And I, and I also think too, like, sometimes, I, well, nobody knows any decisions being made behind closed doors because they don't need to and it's none of their business, right? But the fact that, I think it's important that people realize that sometimes the decision is not always made because of vanity. Right, like, it's not like, I, I didn't make the decision because I hate what I look like.

• 46:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 46:58Drew Afualo?

  That's not always the case. Is that the case? Sure, sometimes, right?

• 47:01Speaker 00

  I got my boobs cuz I didn't like what they looked like, sure.

• 47:04Drew Afualo?

  And that's me being honest.

• 47:05Speaker 00

  And that's honest, my boobs were like, empty, flat sacks after the pregnancy and losing weight, and I was like, well, these are boobies.

• 47:11Drew Afualo?

  Well, and also.

• 47:12Speaker 00

  But I knew my whole life I was gonna get boobies.

• 47:15Drew Afualo?

  That was on my bucket list.

• 47:16Speaker 00

  That was on my bucket list. My dad was like rooting for that, like, everyone knew that.

• 47:21Drew Afualo?

  He's like, I know you've wanted that for a long time.

• 47:22Speaker 00

  They were so lopsided that in high school, my dad bought from Victoria's Secret, he found the lift that you can put in your boob, I swear to God, like, the rubber lift, he comes home one day from the mall and was like, look what I found. You could pop that in and they'll be even.

• 47:36Drew Afualo?

  Girl dad.

• 47:36Speaker 00

  And I was like, thanks dad. So we all, there was a bank account for the boob job in high school, but.

• 47:44Drew Afualo?

  Well, and that's, well, that's why I'm saying, like, not all decisions are made purely because of vanity, but also some decisions are made with, for reasons you have no idea, because you don't need to.

• 47:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, I don't post like, here's my blood test today, wasn't great.

• 47:57Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, no, for real, and it also too, you had children, that fundamentally changes your body composition, like.

• 48:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, I was rocked.

• 48:05Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and, and exactly, so it's, it's very real and it's very true, and I think it's it's unfair in the sense of like, there's really nothing you can say, like, no matter what you say, you could tell them, you could show, you could violate HIPAA and show them everything, and they'd be like. I don't know, I just, she kinda looked to the side when she was talking about it, so now I kinda think she's lying.

• 48:25Speaker 00

  I know, I'm like, they're gonna rip this apart.

• 48:26Drew Afualo?

  They're just gonna find a way, right? Life will find a way to circumvent shit like that.

• 48:31Speaker 00

  I manifested how I want to believe, like, in my new song Still Don't Care, check it out. It's me flying like a princess in L.A.

• 48:39Drew Afualo?

  And I did watch it on YouTube.

• 48:40Speaker 00

  Did you?

• 48:41Drew Afualo?

  Yes, of course I did, because Max Spilegde, uh, who popped in for a cameo sweaty.

• 48:46Speaker 00

  Oh, yes.

• 48:47Drew Afualo?

  He told me he was sweaty.

• 48:48Speaker 00

  I saw him, I screamed at him.

• 48:49Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, he's like, don't move. He was like, Meghan Trainor, that's what he kept telling me. That's my impression of Max.

• 48:55Speaker 00

  That was really good. I loved him and I've wanted to meet him for so long.

• 48:59Drew Afualo?

  He's so funny.

• 49:00Speaker 00

  I met him once on a carpet, but I don't think he remembers, it was really quick.

• 49:03Drew Afualo?

  I adore him.

• 49:04Speaker 00

  Person was like, wow. And then I was like, we're doing a music video now, dance with me, just pose, be hot. And he's like, okay.

• 49:10Drew Afualo?

  He's like, imagine trying to dance to a song you don't know and haven't heard.

• 49:14Speaker 00

  He heard like the bridge snippet like twice and he's like, oh, love it. And I was like, really?

• 49:20Drew Afualo?

  But I think, I think you're doing a really wonderful job of like weathering it. It's really hard and I, and this is another reason why I really, I talk a lot about body neutrality. Uh, because I, I talk a lot about unpacking fatphobia and, and why body positivity doesn't really speak to my spirit personally. I like, I wanna feel nothing towards my body other than grateful.

• 49:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 49:42Drew Afualo?

  Like, I wanna be grateful for my body.

• 49:43Speaker 00

  I like cherish it like a tree and I want to water it and love it and make sure there's muscle.

• 49:49Drew Afualo?

  Exactly, like.

• 49:50Speaker 00

  I got a DEXA scan yesterday, I was like, why don't I have more muscle?

• 49:54Drew Afualo?

  Well, and a lot, and a lot of, a lot of women too have told me before, like, asked me about lifting, cause I lift a lot, but they were, they've asked me a lot about it because what they've been told and conditioned to believe is that like, strength training will make, make me look too manly, I don't know. That's not how it works and honestly.

• 50:11Speaker 00

  All I do.

• 50:11Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and also you would need to lift like Hercules for ten years in a row to look that, and even then you'd still need, roids probably to look that way.

• 50:20Speaker 00

  It's so hard to gain muscle.

• 50:22Drew Afualo?

  Right, it's really hard, so it's like.

• 50:23Speaker 00

  Eat so much protein.

• 50:24Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and there's a lot of genetic factors in that as well, so I'm glad that you're like. Handling it as best you can. I think you're doing the best you can with what you're given.

• 50:35Speaker 00

  You're better at it.

• 50:36Drew Afualo?

  Well, girl, I'm also like way, I'm also like way not the same as you. Like in terms of celebrity.

• 50:42Speaker 00

  In my world you are.

• 50:44Drew Afualo?

  No, tay. And that's all that matters. And that's why I do it.

• 50:50Speaker 00

  You seen Drew today? It was like, hell yeah.

• 50:52Drew Afualo?

  And she didn't come, so some fam.

• 50:54Speaker 00

  She's devastated. She's sick. I'm not gonna bring her germs here. Well, you say bad.

• 50:58Drew Afualo?

  I appreciate, I love your mom. She is very sweet. And both of our moms are sadges. So, love that for us. One day apart.

• 51:05Speaker 00

  Twins. Do you still live so far away?

• 51:09Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I do. I am working on it, though.

• 51:11Speaker 00

  Really?

• 51:12Drew Afualo?

  Working on moving out here. Working on it.

• 51:14Speaker 00

  I need friends.

• 51:15Drew Afualo?

  I know, I would love, and I would love to come hang with you.

• 51:17Speaker 00

  Please.

• 51:18Drew Afualo?

  And the kids, obviously. My big deal about, about kids is like, I'm really good with babies. So like, and kids of any age. I think it's prob, maybe it's, it's like a joke low key because I don't wanna be a mom, so like, I don't wanna have my own kids. So I wanna be an aunt. Yeah, I wanna be an aunt. I wanna be a godmother.

• 51:35Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 51:35Drew Afualo?

  I wanna be a rich aunt.

• 51:36Speaker 00

  I'll have like way more kids.

• 51:37Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 51:38Speaker 00

  You could have one of them.

• 51:41Drew Afualo?

  Right, put it in a little cardboard box for me. I'll come pick it up off your doorstep. Imagine me with a little white baby. A little white ginger.

• 51:48Speaker 00

  A ginger baby.

• 51:49Drew Afualo?

  Okay, but he has to have glasses.

• 51:51Speaker 00

  Okay, fine.

• 51:52Drew Afualo?

  Or whoever they are. They have to have glasses, like Riley.

• 51:54Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 51:54Drew Afualo?

  I need that. My, my sister thinks Riley is the cutest baby because of his glasses.

• 52:00Speaker 00

  He's four now and he's like, almost, he's like, I'm four and three quarters. And I'm like, every time I hug him, I'm like, you're just a little baby. And he's like, I'm not a baby. I'm like, you're my baby forever.

• 52:09Drew Afualo?

  Also, your guys' genes are so strong. Those are your kids.

• 52:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 52:13Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, no DNA test needed.

• 52:16Speaker 00

  And Daryl, and Barry is Daryl.

• 52:17Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, like literally carbon copies.

• 52:19Speaker 00

  He's literally Junie Cortez though. He makes the faces like him, like.

• 52:22Drew Afualo?

  And both of them, both of them have red hair, huh?

• 52:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, like Barry's more brown red, but it's, it's.

• 52:29Drew Afualo?

  Damn, that gene is strong.

• 52:33Drew Afualo?

  Anything else you want to talk about in regards to your album before I move on to some fun facts?

• 52:39Speaker 00

  My songs out, I'm gonna put more songs out, my album, my Toy With Me April, right? My publicist was like, yeah, my tour, Getting Girl Tour, June, get your tickets now, or I'll send you some.

• 52:52Drew Afualo?

  And I can confirm, a blast.

• 52:55Speaker 00

  This one's gonna be even better.

• 52:56Drew Afualo?

  Had so much fun.

• 52:57Speaker 00

  No.

• 52:58Drew Afualo?

  Now, was I on forty milligrams? Of course I was.

• 53:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 53:01Drew Afualo?

  And I, I'd like to think it enhanced the experience.

• 53:03Speaker 00

  I had another friend that you know very well.

• 53:05Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 53:06Speaker 00

  Was there, that had a hat and a really good time, and they were on mushrooms and said it was the greatest show of their life, and I was like...

• 53:14Drew Afualo?

  And I, I saw her more recently, and I talked to her about that, and she was like, oh, I was fucked up.

• 53:22Speaker 00

  She came to me and was like, this is the best thing I've ever seen. I was like, really? You think so? And then I was like, oh.

• 53:28Drew Afualo?

  It was a blast.

• 53:29Speaker 00

  It's fun, it was great.

• 53:30Drew Afualo?

  I was having, I was having a key and a half, so y'all have to go see Meghan Trainor on tour. And you could take literally anybody and they will fit in.

• 53:38Speaker 00

  And anything. And you will fit in.

• 53:40Drew Afualo?

  Okay, I have some fun facts about you, ready? Okay, it says...

• 53:43Speaker 00

  About me?

• 53:43Drew Afualo?

  Yes, I did know this one though, you were on a football team from third to fifth grade.

• 53:47Speaker 00

  Hell, yeah.

• 53:48Drew Afualo?

  And you played center.

• 53:49Speaker 00

  Hell, yeah, I guess it was quarterback. My big brother. Hands in my cooch every day in third grade.

• 53:55Drew Afualo?

  Just the two of you.

• 53:56Speaker 00

  I was like, why do you hate me so much? He's like, why do you think, dude? I was like, I believe...

• 54:01Drew Afualo?

  Being a center is even funnier, because that's the biggest boy on the team.

• 54:03Speaker 00

  I was the biggest bitch, I was, I was way bigger than everyone else, and I would just...

• 54:06Drew Afualo?

  Including your brother.

• 54:07Speaker 00

  The little boys, I would tackle them so hard, and my dad would give me lines to tell them, like, "Hey, guys, don't ruin my nails, I just painted them," and they would literally go lighter on me, and then I would kill them.

• 54:20Drew Afualo?

  Confuse the enemy.

• 54:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:21Drew Afualo?

  Never let them know your next move. I, and obviously, we've talked about Ryan already a couple of times. First of all, congrats.

• 54:28Speaker 00

  Engaged.

• 54:28Drew Afualo?

  Oh, my gosh, engaged.

• 54:29Speaker 00

  He found love. I've been looking for love for him for years. Everywhere I go, I'm like, love him?

• 54:34Drew Afualo?

  That is true, because when I went on your podcast, I went over his dating profile.

• 54:39Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 54:39Drew Afualo?

  And that was a fun time.

• 54:40Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah?

• 54:41Drew Afualo?

  That was fun. I called him a whore, and Meghan thought it was hilarious.

• 54:44Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 54:45Drew Afualo?

  Well, and to be fair, he had a picture on there with titties out.

• 54:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:48Drew Afualo?

  So, I'm reading signs, picking them up, and you were giggling the whole time.

• 54:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 54:52Drew Afualo?

  But now, look at, what a happy ending.

• 54:54Speaker 00

  Yeah, he got the greatest girl in the world named Megumi. Megumi, straight from Japan.

• 55:00Drew Afualo?

  Love.

• 55:00Speaker 00

  Like.

• 55:01Drew Afualo?

  Tea?

• 55:01Speaker 00

  Love her so much, and she grew up learning English because of Spy Kids. So, when we fell in love with her was on their second date, they came over.

• 55:09Drew Afualo?

  Invisible string theory.

• 55:10Speaker 00

  They came over for a movie night, and she said she whipped out a DVD, and Ryan didn't even know this, and she goes, "In case this doesn't work out, can you sign this, Daryl?" And I was like, "I fucking love this woman."

• 55:22Drew Afualo?

  She's so real.

• 55:23Speaker 00

  She loves.

• 55:24Drew Afualo?

  She's like, "I don't know when I'm ever gonna get this shot again."

• 55:26Speaker 00

  Spotify artist, I'm her top music, like, she genuinely listens to me all the time. I'm her, she's my number one fan, and I adore her with my whole heart.

• 55:35Drew Afualo?

  And you're like, "My mission is complete."

• 55:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 55:37Drew Afualo?

  You've been on that mission for a while.

• 55:39Speaker 00

  You married a super fan. Of not me, of me and Daryl, you know?

• 55:44Drew Afualo?

  Well, love Ryan, congrats.

• 55:45Speaker 00

  Love Ryan, congrats.

• 55:46Drew Afualo?

  Happy for y'all. You're all, phew, thought that one was a goner.

• 55:49Speaker 00

  Me too. He's the oldest and the last, come on.

• 55:53Drew Afualo?

  Family's complete, I love that. Okay, it also says you were in high school jazz band in honors chorus.

• 55:58Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 55:59Drew Afualo?

  Not shocking at all, I don't think.

• 56:00Speaker 00

  I played trumpet.

• 56:01Drew Afualo?

  Okay, tea, do you still love jazz? Do you still love the trumpet?

• 56:04Speaker 00

  I still have the trumpet, yeah, I love jazz, but yeah, I love like, a few songs that are jazz songs, but I, you could tell why I like them because they're like poppy. But Nikki Anofsky, look her up, she's an incredible jazz singer. And I always loved her growing up, she's like Quincy Jones, one of his like,

• 56:20Drew Afualo?

  Oh, love.

• 56:21Speaker 00

  proteges, and now I text her, and I freak out still.

• 56:24Drew Afualo?

  Tea.

• 56:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, she's really cool.

• 56:26Drew Afualo?

  Who are you loving in music right now? I forgot to ask you that.

• 56:28Speaker 00

  That's a really good question, T-Pain. Um, and I only listened to two songs, and, oh, Eli.

• 56:34Drew Afualo?

  Eli, oh, yes, I know Eli.

• 56:35Speaker 00

  Glitter.

• 56:36Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 56:36Speaker 00

  New song Glitter, I love so much, we jammed in the whole car right here, and then I love Tyler, "Put me in Chanel."

• 56:43Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 56:44Speaker 00

  "You say you love me, you ain't put me in Chanel." I love it so much.

• 56:47Drew Afualo?

  She's fun, she's really nice, I love her.

• 56:50Speaker 00

  Great, those are the only two songs I hear, and all of Zara Larson.

• 56:54Drew Afualo?

  Obviously.

• 56:54Speaker 00

  All, forever and always.

• 56:56Drew Afualo?

  A genius, you and I have known Zara Larson as a genius forever.

• 56:58Speaker 00

  Forever.

• 56:59Drew Afualo?

  We have known that for a very long time.

• 57:00Speaker 00

  And every time I saw her, I was like, "Why aren't you popping off?" And now she finally is, and I'm like, ah.

• 57:04Drew Afualo?

  She's having her moment.

• 57:05Speaker 00

  Now I'm like, "I hate all of you for not seeing it before." You know, like, I've been here the whole time.

• 57:09Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, what do you guys know about me, number one fan? Okay, uh, it says, "You and your brothers helped work at your parents' jewelry store in the summers when you were growing up." Where you were growing up.

• 57:19Speaker 00

  Where'd you get this Wikipedia?

• 57:22Drew Afualo?

  I don't know.

• 57:24Speaker 00

  Um, yeah, my parents had a jewelry store on a little island called Nantucket. Where all the New York people go and Cape Cod people, I don't know, it's like, I, I. Love it. I just will never go back there for a long time. I just, it's not for me. I'm more like the beaches. In vacation spots where there's like palm trees.

• 57:45Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 57:45Speaker 00

  This is like where. Hmm, Jaws was filmed. Does that make sense?

• 57:51Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 57:51Speaker 00

  There's big white scary sharks.

• 57:53Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I've never been there. I've only ever seen like pictures and videos of it.

• 57:56Speaker 00

  It's like.

• 57:57Drew Afualo?

  They're spooky, oogie spooky?

• 57:59Speaker 00

  It's spooky, oogie, old town, like old buildings, cobblestones.

• 58:03Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 58:03Speaker 00

  Does that make sense? Boats.

• 58:05Drew Afualo?

  Oh.

• 58:05Speaker 00

  Boats.

• 58:06Drew Afualo?

  I'm not a big fan of boats.

• 58:07Speaker 00

  I don't like boats.

• 58:08Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, me either.

• 58:08Speaker 00

  So the whole thing for me, I was just like, ugh.

• 58:10Drew Afualo?

  You're like, well, nothing for me here.

• 58:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, I was like, gotta get out, you know, and I got, I went far, far away to the other side.

• 58:17Drew Afualo?

  Did you like working in a jewelry store?

• 58:19Speaker 00

  No, my parents were so, yeah, they needed help and so we helped them out, um.

• 58:24Drew Afualo?

  That's so funny. I love thinking about it in the term of like Bob's Burgers. Like your parents only and then the three kids.

• 58:30Speaker 00

  They're like in the back making the jewelry themselves, like. Uh, and we're out in the front like, you want what? One second, I'll go get my daddy. And I'm like, dad, I don't know what they're asking for. Um, and then my parents, their age difference was crazy. So my dad was twenty years older than my mom, so my mom, and she looks. Crazy young for her age.

• 58:47Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, your mom looks very young.

• 58:49Speaker 00

  She never drinks or smokes or anything, that's why. She will be young forever. But when I would work there. They would, um, they would go to her and be like, oh, is your dad in the back? And she'd be like, my husband, one second. And they'd be like, you two are sisters? And I was like, mm-hmm.

• 59:04Drew Afualo?

  I get that all the time too, girl. Every time they're like, oh my god, I thought that was your sister. With my mom, I'm like, no, I came out of her.

• 59:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, I'm like.

• 59:12Drew Afualo?

  Cuts the tension real easy. Makes it real weird, real fast. That's kind of my vibe. Well, yeah, cause my mom's like, no, of course not. But my mom also looks twelve, so.

• 59:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, she does.

• 59:22Drew Afualo?

  I'm like, here's hoping.

• 59:23Speaker 00

  Forever young. We're gonna be forever young. I'm aging backwards. Have you seen me?

• 59:27Drew Afualo?

  Yes, of course I have. I think that too, sometimes when I look at old pictures of myself.

• 59:32Speaker 00

  I was like, oh.

• 59:33Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I also.

• 59:34Speaker 00

  So tired.

• 59:35Drew Afualo?

  Speaking of people making up shit about me, one time, there was like an old picture of me that someone used, and which feels mean. I'm like, I don't know why you would go back and get a picture that old, that seems fucked up. If you're gonna talk shit on me, at least pull a good one, right?

• 59:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 59:46Drew Afualo?

  But um, it was like, someone was saying that um, I got my lips done, or I got filler, or something like that. Because in the picture, my lips look like, really small. But it's like, really genuinely, because I just did not believe in lip liner for a very long time, which was a mistake. So I was doing like, the maddest of lipsticks, no lip liner.

• 1:00:03Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:00:04Drew Afualo?

  I was giving like, the tiniest mouth in the history of time.

• 1:00:06Speaker 00

  I mean, I'm just so glad none of my high school pics are out there in general, because I didn't know makeup goes on your eyebrows. Like, I don't have any eyebrows. And I had red hair growing up, and all the colors, I came out with black hair. And then it, it morphed into like, brown, and then red at three, and then went bleach blonde at six. But my eyebrows kept every color. So in high school, my friends would be like, did you dye them red? And I was like, why would I fucking dye my eyebrows red? Like, no, that would've saved me so much. I would just did like, the black eyeliner, nothing else.

• 1:00:37Drew Afualo?

  Right, yeah, fuck it.

• 1:00:38Speaker 00

  So.

• 1:00:39Drew Afualo?

  When I, for, for years, I was, when I got into putting makeup in my eyebrows, I was like, a victim of the dip brow pomade, obviously. But I used to get eyebrow stuff in jet black. My hair is not jet black, my hair is dark brown.

• 1:00:52Speaker 00

  And made rectangles?

• 1:00:53Drew Afualo?

  Right, and my mom would literally be like, what color are you putting in your eyebrows? And I would be like, oh, black, obviously, because my hair is black. And she, my mom would be like, your hair is not black. And then I'm like, you don't know anything. And now I look back, and I, I'm giving birth, like, it's really upsetting. When I look back, I'm like, okay, so.

• 1:01:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, I would fight my mom. My mom be like, why the black eyeliner all over? And I was like, because I'm cool, and you don't get it.

• 1:01:17Drew Afualo?

  That was me when I, um, I notoriously, I have a widow's peak. But when I was a kid, I hated it, so I literally tried to cut it off. I cut it off first. I like pulled hair down, cut it, looked infinitely worse, obviously.

• 1:01:33Speaker 00

  It highlights it.

• 1:01:34Drew Afualo?

  Right, and then I shaved it with a Venus razor. Just went to town on that shit and then quite literally five o'clock shadow, almost between my eyebrows. And I literally was like, wow, that could not look worse. And then I was like, okay, well, need to leave the bathroom now. So I left the bathroom. I go outside, I'm just trying to pretend like everything's the same. What the fuck was I doing in there, doing that for? Don't know. And I'm sitting there and my mom goes, what did you do to your hair? And I'm like, nothing.

• 1:02:02Speaker 00

  Oh, no.

• 1:02:02Drew Afualo?

  And she goes, you didn't cut your hair. And I go, no. Mind you, like buzz cut right here, like in the middle of my forehead. And she was like, why would you do that? I think I was like ten or eleven, which at the time I would be five four, so that is a little scary.

• 1:02:19Speaker 00

  Oh, no.

• 1:02:20Drew Afualo?

  Think about me having five o'clock shadow right here.

• 1:02:22Speaker 00

  I'm five four now?

• 1:02:25Drew Afualo?

  And I'm as big as you. And my mom goes, why would you do that? And I was like, I don't know, I just hate it. I hate my.

• 1:02:34Drew Afualo?

  And then I learned to love it. Now I love it.

• 1:02:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:02:37Drew Afualo?

  And to the point where sometimes I'll be like widow's peak twins, and then I can always tell if.

• 1:02:42Speaker 00

  I didn't even see it.

• 1:02:43Drew Afualo?

  Right, so it's like, it's very like, it's not as obvious unless my hair is slicked. When my hair is slicked, it's like very obvious. When I make like widow's peak jokes sometimes, I almost always like stunt people when I say that, who do have a widow's peak. Which tells me they also hated it at one point. And they, they kind of get like, and I'm like, I love mine. Widow's peak twins. Just trying to help everyone out.

• 1:03:06Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:03:07Drew Afualo?

  Give representation, it's important. Everybody needs widow's peak representation. Okay, this one says, which I think I knew this one, but it says, your first date with your husband Daryl was set up by Chloe Grace Moretz.

• 1:03:19Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:03:21Drew Afualo?

  How did that come about?

• 1:03:22Speaker 00

  Uh, she knew me and she knew him. Um, she was a new friend of mine because I did, uh, Watch What Happens Live. And she was on it and I was like twenty one, twenty one, and she was nineteen. And then I was like, I don't have any friends. And she was like, I'll be your friend. And then. Uh, I was like, I need to find love in my life. Uh, where is he? It's so weird. And she was like, my best friend would be great for you. And I was like, who's your best friend? And then she sent me his Instagram and, which was embarrassing. And it was him like playing guitar with some other blonde, singing the F word. And like, and I was like, immediately just like, ick. And I was like, what is this? And then I was like, oh man, it's Spy Kids. Like, I love my kids.

• 1:04:04Drew Afualo?

  The one and only.

• 1:04:05Speaker 00

  And then, uh, but I also remember two years earlier, I was like a songwriter out in LA. Nobody knew who I was. And he crashed one of our parties with his friend. I swear, it's like Destiny Fate weird shit.

• 1:04:16Drew Afualo?

  Literally.

• 1:04:17Speaker 00

  And he walked in and I was, and I went up to him, I was like, guys, I was like, are you Spy Kids? And he was like, yeah. He's like, and he says now that usually when people ask him that, he would be like annoyed. But he liked me or whatever, and said I was cute. And

• 1:04:32Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, he's like, when a hottie asks me, I'm like, yes, that is me.

• 1:04:35Speaker 00

  I know what I looked like at the party. Um, and so years later, now I had like red hair. I was in the red hair phase. I was like, he won't even remember me. And I Snapchat messaged him, that's the year, and was like, this is ten years ago, God. And was like, hey, I, I don't know if you remember, but we partied together once. LOL, uh, and he was like, oh, I remember. And I'm like, liar. I still think to this day he's lying, but he claims he remembers me. But then we went on a date with her in Brooklyn Beckham. We went, I swear to God. And I had no idea who Brooklyn was.

• 1:05:07Drew Afualo?

  My good friend Brooklyn Beckham.

• 1:05:09Speaker 00

  These paparazzi are all over us. Like, I didn't know how famous I was.

• 1:05:12Drew Afualo?

  You're telling him, you're like, I didn't know you had it like that.

• 1:05:15Speaker 00

  And he, uh, I, I was just like, why? I'm so sorry, guys. Like, they must be after me and Chloe, like. And it was all for him, obviously, because I found out later. And Chloe, like, was so sweet. She brought me to her closet and was like, his mom like sent me all these clothes, because of her clothesline, I had no idea about.

• 1:05:33Drew Afualo?

  You're not putting two and two together at all.

• 1:05:35Speaker 00

  You fit in the same size as his mom? What a coinkydink. Like, bro, I was so lost.

• 1:05:41Drew Afualo?

  That's crazy. What are the odds?

• 1:05:44Speaker 00

  I was like, that's so cool.

• 1:05:45Drew Afualo?

  Our first date ever, Brooklyn Beckham was there.

• 1:05:47Speaker 00

  I had no idea who he was. I was like, hey, Brooklyn, sick name. No idea.

• 1:05:51Drew Afualo?

  Nice to meet you. How are you enjoying the seats?

• 1:05:56Drew Afualo?

  Okay, last one. Oh, also really quick, I also have that in common with you where like my man gave me the ick too initially.

• 1:06:02Speaker 00

  Really?

• 1:06:03Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, low key. Because he was like, he got tall and popular and handsome and like at a young age, so I was immediately like, fuck that guy.

• 1:06:12Speaker 00

  Sounds pleasant. My guy was singing weird songs on Instagram with other girls.

• 1:06:18Drew Afualo?

  No, he was like, he was like a teenage boy.

• 1:06:20Speaker 00

  Tall and cute, ugh.

• 1:06:21Drew Afualo?

  Right, and even when, when he initially was asking, like, reaching out to me to like kind of ask me out, um, I was ignoring him, so I like ignored him many times. And then he was like, hey, like, I know you're ignoring me. I really don't want to push, but like this is the last time I'd really love to see you and like.

• 1:06:38Speaker 00

  If he wanted to, he would.

• 1:06:39Drew Afualo?

  Right, and I was like, I even asked him, I've asked him before now, because I'm like, what made you keep, like, coming after me? Because he's not someone who struggles for a date, so like, he could have very easily moved on. And he was like, I don't know, just something kept telling me I would like regret it for the rest of my life if I didn't, patch things up with you and then.

• 1:06:56Speaker 00

  Some angel told me.

• 1:06:57Drew Afualo?

  Right, and I was like, and you were right, I'm the greatest thing that's ever happened to you.

• 1:07:04Drew Afualo?

  God, good for you.

• 1:07:05Speaker 00

  Good for him.

• 1:07:06Drew Afualo?

  Congrats. Okay, last one fact, uh, it says that you wa- failed your driver's test?

• 1:07:13Speaker 00

  Oh, many a times.

• 1:07:14Drew Afualo?

  Many times.

• 1:07:15Speaker 00

  I was just talking about this, yeah, the written, many a times?

• 1:07:18Drew Afualo?

  Me too, the written one.

• 1:07:19Speaker 00

  The written was cra- I always get motorcycle questions. I'm like, this has nothing to do with me. I don't need to know how much the charge will be if I mess up my motorcycle. So I failed a lot. And then I, in Cape Cod, I don't know if she still works there, bless you Gail, there was a Gail that, um, if you had Gail, it was fail Gail. And she worked Tuesdays and Fridays, and I fucking went on a Tuesday on my birthday, and I was like, I'm gonna fail Gail, and I did, and that bitch failed me so hard. Like, I did everything right, but I was so- I was having such a panic attack because I knew it was fail Gail, I was like, oh, I'm doomed. And then I had to parallel park and I almost hit the cone, and she failed me for almost hitting the cone.

• 1:07:56Drew Afualo?

  Nice.

• 1:07:57Speaker 00

  And I was like, well.

• 1:07:58Drew Afualo?

  That's the only source of power she has.

• 1:08:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, it was it, and I was like, you can have this, it's my birthday, things are ruining it, and I drove home crying.

• 1:08:05Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:07Drew Afualo?

  I actually, that's so funny you say that because where I got my license, there was a man there too who was notorious for failing everyone and I was like, so like, even my man got his license at the same place and got that guy first and failed. So like, he was like, fuck that guy.

• 1:08:24Speaker 00

  I hope my kids never drive at sixteen.

• 1:08:26Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:08:27Speaker 00

  Ever. I was like, thank god she failed me dude.

• 1:08:29Drew Afualo?

  No, that's honestly T because I've said that too. I didn't drive till my senior year and the end of my senior year because my sister learned to drive young because she was too old for her grade. And so she drove me everywhere and drove us everywhere. So I was like, I don't need to get my license yet.

• 1:08:42Speaker 00

  Now I hate driving. I was obsessed with it growing up and now I hate it because driving here is scary. There's six lane highways. Are you fucking kidding me? I'm like, hmm, panic. I had to pull over on a highway and go, Daryl, I can't do it. And now I have kids, I'm like, I'm not fucking, no. I'm not in charge here, no. I wrote on my, one of my new songs, I'm a passenger princess and I fully am.

• 1:09:03Drew Afualo?

  T, me too, honestly. You know what's funny is I hate driving. My man loves driving.

• 1:09:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, Daryl loves it.

• 1:09:09Drew Afualo?

  Loves to drive. He would prefer to drive. Right. I was like, get you someone like that.

• 1:09:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, I get my little blankie and I go in the front seat.

• 1:09:16Drew Afualo?

  Me too. I'm like, I never drive.

• 1:09:18Speaker 00

  Ever.

• 1:09:18Drew Afualo?

  I'm like, and I'm also, I'm supposed to be co-pilot, obviously, because I'm in the passenger seat. But sometimes, I'm talking so much, I'm, I'm not paying attention. And then he's like, was I supposed to get off there? And I'm like, hmm? I think so.

• 1:09:31Speaker 00

  I just yell at him if he goes too fast. I'm like, are you trying to kill us? What are you doing?

• 1:09:37Drew Afualo?

  Well, I was in the middle of my story and then like, I'm sorry, I missed the turn. Sorry about that.

• 1:09:41Speaker 00

  Go on social media and he goes, oh my god, stop. Oh my god, put your phone down or get headphones. I'm like, what?

• 1:09:48Drew Afualo?

  Watching your videos at full volume.

• 1:09:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, just swiping through TikTok, just full blast.

• 1:09:53Drew Afualo?

  I'll do that too sometimes accidentally when I'm connected to the Bluetooth. Like in the car. So I'm like, I accidentally open TikTok and it's like loud as hell. And he's like, hey, don't do that.

• 1:10:02Speaker 00

  Hey, stop please.

• 1:10:03Drew Afualo?

  Sorry, my bad. I love though too, because I know you're like this too. You're the chatty one in the relationship, yes. Me too.

• 1:10:12Speaker 00

  I'm like, should we talk?

• 1:10:13Drew Afualo?

  No, literally.

• 1:10:14Speaker 00

  Oh, he's the avoider. This is all I've learned in our couple's therapy is that I'm like, meh. Like I'm unattached to him and I have. Um, codependent issues. I need him at all times. Like when I'm peeing or pooping, I'm like, come with me. And then he's like, this seems like a lot. I'm gonna get out of here. And I'm like, but I need you. So, yeah.

• 1:10:32Drew Afualo?

  You're Velcro.

• 1:10:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:10:33Drew Afualo?

  I get that. I'm, I am for sure the talker, obviously. And the other day, I was talking at a million miles a minute. Like, I, I like literally wake up wanting to talk. Like, I'm like, I have so many things on the mind. I have to talk. And I, I was like talking, and he always listens to me. And then when I was done, he's like half asleep, obviously, because it's like six thirty in the morning. And then he goes, I just cannot believe how many words you have right now. And I'm like, and I was laughing, I was like, oh, sorry, a girl wakes up with a thought. Sorry. Oh, it's illegal for women to have minds.

• 1:11:06Speaker 00

  How many words you have right now?

• 1:11:08Drew Afualo?

  He's like, it's like shocking to me. Cause I was talking, I was like, and then, oh my god, and that reminds me. And I was like telling him a million stories and I was like, anyways, good morning.

• 1:11:19Drew Afualo?

  Let's get up. We might as well. But I feel seen by you. You're just like me.

• 1:11:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:11:25Drew Afualo?

  Oh, in a lot of ways.

• 1:11:26Speaker 00

  But that means he's your best friend.

• 1:11:28Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

• 1:11:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:11:29Drew Afualo?

  And sometimes I'll, I'll tell him like, I don't know, about silly little books I'm reading or something. And I'm like, do you mind if I tell you the plot of this book, start to finish?

• 1:11:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:11:39Drew Afualo?

  And then he goes, no, I don't care. And then I tell him the entire thing. One time I was trying to tell him about a book series and I talked for an hour and fifteen straight, only got through halfway through the first book. And I said, we're gonna have to table this. We're gonna have to revisit tomorrow morning. It's ten o'clock.

• 1:11:57Speaker 00

  That could be a whole podcast. You and he just sits there and just listens.

• 1:12:01Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, sometimes they're like, oh, do you think he'll ever come on the comment section? I'm like, honestly, no, I don't think so, because he gets the comment section at home. All the time. And he's always the guest. He's always the guest, never talking.

• 1:12:14Speaker 00

  Oh, my god.

• 1:12:15Drew Afualo?

  You know, it is what it is. Good thing we have partners who love us.

• 1:12:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:12:19Drew Afualo?

  And all of our amazing quirks.

• 1:12:20Speaker 00

  I'll love them.

• 1:12:22Drew Afualo?

  Literally. When you said, I wanna like live inside the skin of my partner, I was like, I get it.

• 1:12:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:12:28Drew Afualo?

  I get it.

• 1:12:29Speaker 00

  I just wish we could, like the movie, um.

• 1:12:31Drew Afualo?

  Oh, the one, uh, with Dave Franco.

• 1:12:33Speaker 00

  Hell, yeah. We watched that. We were like, absolutely.

• 1:12:38Speaker 00

  That's my dream. That's also Megumi's dream with Ryan.

• 1:12:41Drew Afualo?

  Turn into a cat dog.

• 1:12:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:12:43Drew Afualo?

  Just morph together.

• 1:12:45Speaker 00

  We'd be better as one.

• 1:12:46Drew Afualo?

  I think so.

• 1:12:47Speaker 00

  We're so lopsided, you know?

• 1:12:49Drew Afualo?

  Spy Kids and Meghan Trainor combined, oh, girl.

• 1:12:54Speaker 00

  Look at our children. They're perfect.

• 1:12:57Drew Afualo?

  They are, and you have a building inspector on your hands.

• 1:12:59Speaker 00

  I do.

• 1:13:00Drew Afualo?

  So I'm happy for you.

• 1:13:01Speaker 00

  It's so bad. He wants me to take him to every tall building in the world. Do you know where they are? Everywhere.

• 1:13:07Drew Afualo?

  Expensive.

• 1:13:08Speaker 00

  Most of them are in China. I'm like, that's so far.

• 1:13:12Drew Afualo?

  You're okay after the next two world tours?

• 1:13:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:13:14Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 1:13:15Speaker 00

  I was like, one day. When you don't care anymore.

• 1:13:20Drew Afualo?

  Well, thank you so much for coming on the show.

• 1:13:22Speaker 00

  Oh, my God, thank you for my therapy. I love you. I miss you so much. Have me whenever you want.

• 1:13:26Drew Afualo?

  You can come whenever, Miss Pop Star, Miss Pop Diva.

• 1:13:30Speaker 00

  I'm gonna wear jeans next time, fuck.

• 1:13:31Drew Afualo?

  I know, honestly, we're giving the extremes. Look at us, the duality of women.

• 1:13:35Speaker 00

  What am I doing?

• 1:13:36Drew Afualo?

  Women can do it all.

• 1:13:37Speaker 00

  We can. I'm tired.

• 1:13:39Drew Afualo?

  Well, thank you again for coming. I fucking love you. Congratulations on the new album, how exciting, and the tour. And also, I want to say, I think you're a light, dude. I really do, and I think you're weathering and handling everything so wonderfully. And you're a wonderful person. I know you, I know you probably know that, but it doesn't hurt to be reminded. And especially as someone who does know you for real, I know you're a good person. And I know all of the wonderful things you do. Thank you. I appreciate that. And you're doing a kick-ass job. You're doing a great job. And the internet is evil and mean, and get behind me, Meghan Trainor.

• 1:14:15Speaker 00

  I'll get behind you.

• 1:14:17Drew Afualo?

  Anytime there's more hate, you get behind me, girl.

• 1:14:20Speaker 00

  Thank you so much. I love you.

• 1:14:21Drew Afualo?

  I'll die for you, I really will.

• 1:14:22Speaker 00

  I'll die for you.

• 1:14:23Drew Afualo?

  I've said that many times. At Billboard, when I saw you at Billboard Women in Music.

• 1:14:27Speaker 00

  You saved me that night. I was having a panic attack.

• 1:14:29Drew Afualo?

  I told your team, I was like, they were like, do you mind taking the, because the height difference was insane, because I had.

• 1:14:35Speaker 00

  I would think I got in a box, right?

• 1:14:36Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, you were like underneath my tits, like right here. They were like, hey, Andre the Giant, let's change the shoes. I was like, no, for sure, for sure. And I did, they were like, oh, thank you for doing that for her. And I was like, I would samurai sacrifice myself for her. I would seppuku myself for that bitch. Don't play with me. I do not play about Meghan Trainor. And I think your team laughed, but I, I was kidding, but also kind of not.

• 1:14:59Speaker 00

  No, they're like, she loves you. I was like, yeah, it's my girl.

• 1:15:01Drew Afualo?

  I think my intensity threw, threw him off a little bit. That's okay.

• 1:15:06Drew Afualo?

  I love you. Thank you again for coming. Thank you all so much for tuning in for, I don't know, the one new person that may be logged on to Spotify today. Where can everybody find you, Miss Popstar?

• 1:15:15Speaker 00

  Oh, me, Instagram, TikTok.

• 1:15:18Drew Afualo?

  Meghan Trainor, maybe you heard of her.

• 1:15:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, Meghan Trainor, M-E-G-H-A-N-T-R-A-I-N-O-R.

• 1:15:24Drew Afualo?

  And you have podcasts?

• 1:15:26Speaker 00

  Oh, we're on a hiatus.

• 1:15:27Drew Afualo?

  OKT.

• 1:15:28Speaker 00

  We got tired.

• 1:15:28Drew Afualo?

  OK, fuck, OK, fuck the podcasts, never mind.

• 1:15:30Speaker 00

  Nope.

• 1:15:31Drew Afualo?

  New album, though.

• 1:15:32Speaker 00

  New album, Toy With Me.

• 1:15:34Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 1:15:34Speaker 00

  New song, Still Don't Care, is out now.

• 1:15:36Drew Afualo?

  Love.

• 1:15:36Speaker 00

  And then the Getting Girl Tour. I will see you there at the Forum.

• 1:15:40Drew Afualo?

  Yes, yes.

• 1:15:41Speaker 00

  And it's only like thirty shows, thirty-three shows or something to show up.

• 1:15:45Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:45Speaker 00

  Because that's all it got in me.

• 1:15:46Drew Afualo?

  And it's, yeah, thirty-three is if that's a low number in any way.

• 1:15:50Speaker 00

  It's three months.

• 1:15:50Drew Afualo?

  And this year, guys, I'll do plus twenty and we'll see if I can pack the seats.

• 1:15:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:15:54Drew Afualo?

  Just kidding.

• 1:15:55Speaker 00

  Plus twenty, stop it.

• 1:15:58Drew Afualo?

  And you know what's funny is I know, that's a bullshit-ass number and I would never ask you for that, but if I did, I'd know you would move mountains to make it happen.

• 1:16:04Speaker 00

  I was like, that's easy.

• 1:16:05Drew Afualo?

  You're crazy. You're crazy.

• 1:16:07Speaker 00

  Sacrifice everybody else. Easy.

• 1:16:10Drew Afualo?

  Me and my family in the stands.

• 1:16:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, my family's in the back. They've seen the show.

• 1:16:13Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:15Drew Afualo?

  Well, thank you so much for coming again. Thank you all so much for tuning in. Don't forget, new episodes of the comment section drop every Wednesday. You can stream the audio on all streaming platforms, but the video list for free and exclusively on our favorite platform, Spotify. Make sure y'all check out Miss Meghan Trainor's new album when it comes out, her tour, everything Meghan Trainor. I love her and you know that. And thank you so much for coming. I love you so much. I'll see you next week. Bye.

• 1:16:37Speaker 00

  Bye.

• 1:16:50Speaker 02

  Welcome to 215 Maple Drive. We just put this property on the market.

• 1:16:55Speaker 03

  Love the crown molding.

• 1:16:57Speaker 02

  Oh, wait until you see the walk-in closets and the bathroom tile.

• 1:17:01Speaker 03

  Does it have Verizon FiOS? You know, one hundred percent fiber internet?

• 1:17:05Speaker 02

  No FiOS, but it looks like it's got cable. Let's check out the kitchen.

• 1:17:08Speaker 03

  No FiOS? Yeah, no, thank you.

• 1:17:11Speaker 02

  Don't you want to see the rest? OK, bye-bye.

• 1:17:14Speaker 04

  Dip Verizon FiOS, because when you're moving, it's one hundred percent or nothing.