Mustang FX; Grand Tour Cast; Cheap Goodwood Revival (sort of)

Zack Klapman has tales of attending poor man's Goodwood in a sauna; Matt notices cars in Italy; Ford unveiled a new Foxbody-inspired Mustang GT that has us confused; and we answer Patreon questions including: Why we would only do a TST charity event a certain way Would Matt order a Spyder again? Color change with a wrap or paint? Why your friend tells you his WRX is an STI Vintage watch vs new watch Alpina B3 vs M3 Touring Why did enthusiasts love the 911 T but not the base Carrera? How to raise your kid to be a good car enthusiast Track/daily after the M235i? When you do and don't need to change tires Is the R35 GTR Final Edition worth it? Why is that Jeep SO expensive? Weird cars we see And more! Recorded June 10, 2025 Download Cash App Today: https://capl.onelink.me/vFut/mfsirfru #CashAppPod Get TWENTY PERCENT off your DeleteMe plan when you go to https://www.joindeleteme.com/TIRE and use promo code TIRE at checkout. New merch! Grab a shirt or hoodie and support us! https://thesmokingtireshop.com/ Use Off The Record! and ALWAYS fight your tickets! For a 10% discount on your first case go to https://www.offtherecord.com/TST Want your question answered? Want to watch the live stream, get ad-free podcasts, or exclusive podcasts? Join our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast Instagram: https://www. Instagram.com/thesmokingtire https://www. Instagram.com/therealzackklapman

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

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• 1:30Matt Farah?

  Use them, don't forget about them because man, will they save you money and headaches. All right, on this episode of the podcast, Zach and I are back from a two-week vacationary hiatus in which content had been auto-populating for a while now. I was in Italy doing non-car things and Zach was up in Northern California doing the most car thing, having his own little vintage race with a bunch of other lunatics at a very hot Thunderhill. Also, we have some thoughts on the new Ford FX Fox body tribute package for the Mustang. We talk about our friends Thomas and James from Throttle House getting a gig on the

• 2:13Matt Farah?

  Grand Tour, holy bejesus, and a whole lot more. Welcome back to the Smoking Tire Podcast.

• 2:22Matt Farah?

  Did you not stain remove that hoodie?

• 2:24Speaker 01

  Did. New stain.

• 2:26Matt Farah?

  Is that from today?

• 2:27Speaker 01

  It's from like yesterday and I didn't even notice. I looked down and I was like, "Fuck."

• 2:31Matt Farah?

  That's why, like, that's how you know, like, that color hoodie, that's rich folk shit.

• 2:36Speaker 01

  That's right. That's what we said, yeah. I just have to take it off when I do anything.

• 2:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:41Speaker 01

  And I don't even know what you're from.

• 2:43Matt Farah?

  In order, I mean, in order to wear that, you have to be like, "No, I don't, I don't make a mess when I eat or drink, and also my shit doesn't stink when I drop a deuce or fart. I also don't fart."

• 2:55Speaker 01

  I mean, I didn't think I was a messy eater and I was just being normal, but it's like one drop of something fly, like, that's all it takes. And I guess I don't realize, because I wear a lot of black t-shirts, I don't realize how much food is actually flying toward my face.

• 3:06Matt Farah?

  You gotta have a, you have to be, that's why, like, you know, we have a, we have a customer here at the shop, who I'm not gonna use their name, but their nickname is white t-shirt and then the person's actual first name. And he, he pretty much embraces it because his white t-shirts are a one-time use. One-time use white t-shirts. And I thought, like, and to say that to someone, it sounds like crazy and wasteful.

• 3:39Speaker 01

  I mean, it is.

• 3:39Matt Farah?

  And it is sort of both of those things. Unfortunately, at a certain level of wealth, it's never like, it's never like, I'm never saying it's a net good, but if you do out the math, if you make enough money, it's the kind of money where you buy white t-shirts in bulk. You know, you could, it's like, it's not that much, like, compared to whatever you make that year, you know, like...

• 4:07Speaker 01

  Right. Like, there's no math on this is worth it, but it's infinitesimally small.

• 4:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's a small enough number where this person doesn't even have to consider it in their budgeting.

• 4:20Speaker 01

  Right.

• 4:21Matt Farah?

  Like, it's kinda, kinda crazy.

• 4:23Speaker 01

  Wow. Do they work at like a marinara factory and they're just like, "I wear it once, it gets red and then they throw it away?"

• 4:29Matt Farah?

  It was a lot of money, but like, we did it out and like, it was basically like five days a week. We assumed it wasn't every day, so it was five days a week for a year. And like, if you bought like a pseudo designer t-shirt, but it was in bulk, like, it was like 1,600 bucks for the year.

• 4:45Speaker 01

  Was it 250, 260 shirts?

• 4:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 4:49Speaker 01

  So that times 40?

• 4:52Matt Farah?

  If you buy them, like if you buy that many, like they're, they're cheap. If they're just white, non-printed. You know, when you're buying t-shirts, like when we're, when we've sold t-shirts, it's like, the cost of the shirt is like fucking bullshit. It's the cost of the...

• 5:05Speaker 01

  The design and the graphic.

• 5:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and if you're not trying to do, like if it's white and if it's designed to be like an undershirt, basically.

• 5:12Speaker 01

  Very true.

• 5:13Matt Farah?

  You know, it was, it came out to like four, five dollars a shirt. And you're like, oh, well, like if you're making like three million dollars a year, like, I can see how that happens. I just can.

• 5:24Speaker 01

  Right. The, the money is obviously, doesn't matter to this person.

• 5:27Matt Farah?

  It's ridiculously wasteful.

• 5:28Speaker 01

  Right, yeah.

• 5:29Matt Farah?

  It's ridiculously wasteful. But that's what, the reason I started down that road is because Zach's beautiful swag singer hoodie, I've never seen it not stained, but he washes it every time he wears it.

• 5:42Speaker 01

  It got stained on day two and I, I spent a full day de-staining a chocolate stain and I got it out. And now I don't know what I ate yesterday.

• 5:51Matt Farah?

  That's what I'm, I'm just trying to say, that color is rich folk shit.

• 5:54Speaker 01

  You just can't, you can't wear it all the time.

• 5:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 5:57Speaker 01

  You have to take it off.

• 5:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 5:59Speaker 01

  You need a dinner jacket and a non-dinner jacket.

• 6:01Matt Farah?

  You know what that is? That is a 3,000 mile E46 M3.

• 6:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 6:07Matt Farah?

  Its value is in its pristiness.

• 6:09Speaker 01

  Can't do anything with it.

• 6:11Matt Farah?

  Can't do shit with it.

• 6:12Speaker 01

  Is it cold and you want to eat soup? Not in that sweatshirt. Put on your eating sweatshirt.

• 6:17Matt Farah?

  Bro, I just got back from Italy and like, man, dude, the battle of linen versus red sauce was fucking odd.

• 6:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's olive oil on everything and it flies around, yeah. I will say, if you want to have a good dinner sweatshirt, get a smoking tire sweatshirt, because our sweatshirts are black.

• 6:36Matt Farah?

  I will hide your grime.

• 6:40Speaker 01

  That's what we do.

• 6:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah, dude, but I would love, you know, we have to have the light leather in the Taycan that over time, you know, turns blue from my jeans and Hannah's clothes. Like we have to, I have to have the guys like every six months, but like if I could have a whole suit of that, my driving suit.

• 6:58Speaker 01

  It would be nice. Yeah. It's so strange that like back in the day, it was probably just because it was cheaper, but like, you know, racing outfits and like Ken Miles, his racing suit, I think it was white, mechanic suits for white, because they probably, it was cheaper to just bleach the cotton and dye it dark blue or something.

• 7:14Matt Farah?

  You don't think it was just team colors? I think it was just their team's color. I think other teams had other, they had, they had colors.

• 7:19Speaker 01

  That's a good point.

• 7:20Matt Farah?

  Other teams wore other colors, I think.

• 7:23Speaker 01

  What a choice then.

• 7:24Matt Farah?

  They didn't all wear white, but yeah.

• 7:25Speaker 01

  At Lemons, we don't have to jump, not to jump ahead.

• 7:28Matt Farah?

  No, let's talk about Lemons.

• 7:29Speaker 01

  There was, there was a team there.

• 7:31Matt Farah?

  Zach went racing.

• 7:31Speaker 01

  I went racing at Lemons. It had to be one of the hottest Lemons's ever.

• 7:36Matt Farah?

  You told me before you left, you're like, dude, it says, the thing says it's gonna be 105.

• 7:41Speaker 01

  108. Willow's, California, Thunder Hill. They did a 25 hour.

• 7:46Matt Farah?

  What a terrible place in the summer.

• 7:47Speaker 01

  They did a 25 hour, one minute race because they wanted it to be the longest race, I think in the United States, if not the country.

• 7:53Matt Farah?

  Really?

• 7:54Speaker 01

  Like for the year.

• 7:54Matt Farah?

  Really?

• 7:55Speaker 01

  So 25 hours and one minute.

• 7:57Matt Farah?

  Klapman's in the record books, participated in the country's longest race to this, to this point.

• 8:02Speaker 01

  Right. I participated in a lot of it, but not all of it.

• 8:06Matt Farah?

  Does that happen like throughout the year? Like is, is VIR gonna like retaliate in September and do like the 25 hour?

• 8:13Speaker 01

  And then Chappelle will eventually host the longest race the world has ever known.

• 8:17Matt Farah?

  And then our commenters are gonna be like, you know.

• 8:20Speaker 01

  Well, apparently, uh, I guess, you know, was it IMSA? Whichever organization was running the 24 hour Thunder Hill decided not to do it this year. And so the slot was open. And I think Thunder Hill had already had it cleared by the county.

• 8:33Matt Farah?

  We don't need IMSA.

• 8:35Speaker 01

  Right.

• 8:35Matt Farah?

  We'll do our own 25.

• 8:36Speaker 01

  Lemons was like, hey, we'll take the spot and, and, uh, yeah. So that, that's what they did. Full overnight, lights. Just, what do they, they say? They said, there's just enough lights out there to keep it interesting. And that is accurate.

• 8:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 8:48Speaker 01

  Like.

• 8:49Matt Farah?

  Like, does that mean there's about half the amount of lights that there should have been?

• 8:53Speaker 01

  Well, depends on what you mean by should have been. If you want to be able to see the track clearly.

• 8:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 8:57Speaker 01

  They need five times the lights they had. Like, because they, they expect you to bring headlights and have, and they, that you go through tech, they require you to show that you have functioning headlights.

• 9:06Matt Farah?

  Functioning has got a big spread.

• 9:09Speaker 01

  Bingo. Bingo. The definition is broad and people explored both ends of it.

• 9:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 9:13Speaker 01

  So some people had like full rally lights and they get behind you and, you know, blind you. And we had, uh, like high quality LED Holley headlights, but we only had two of them on our Ford Ranchero. And those did dick.

• 9:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 9:30Matt Farah?

  Dude, remember when I did VIR in that shitty E30? And we had the crappy like Chinese LEDs from 15 years ago.

• 9:39Speaker 01

  Oh, right.

• 9:40Matt Farah?

  And then it rained.

• 9:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:42Matt Farah?

  Like, dude.

• 9:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, this was 2016. We had a light bar and it was not at all good.

• 9:47Matt Farah?

  VIR had no lights. VIR is the darkest place I've ever been.

• 9:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was not, I thought about that a lot when we were signing up for this thing. And I was like, ooh, they had to deal with like a defroster issue, which we did not.

• 9:58Matt Farah?

  Okay, so did the car last?

• 10:00Speaker 01

  So it was a 64 Ranchero. It has a 302 that's punched out to 331. It's pretty spicy.

• 10:07Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 10:08Speaker 01

  It's got, uh, probably 300 horsepower, um, Holley EFI system, four-speed top loader transmission. They've been racing this car for a decade. So Jeff Blucker of Huniverse, he's been on the show a lot, him and his friend Tim Odell, who helped him create Huniverse. They've been racing this car in various iterations, started with three-speed on the tree and a inline-six. And I'm really glad I didn't join at that time.

• 10:33Matt Farah?

  Sounds terrible.

• 10:35Speaker 01

  Lemons is amazing for so many reasons and you see slow cars out there that are like, they're there for the art or to have a good time, but it looks boring to me to just to be a rolling chicane.

• 10:45Matt Farah?

  Stinks.

• 10:46Speaker 01

  For 25 hours. Everyone's got to start somewhere.

• 10:49Matt Farah?

  If it's literally your first race, getting a slow car, but fuck me. What a terrible.

• 10:57Speaker 01

  And some of those teams, to be fair, did beat us because we had mechanical issues. But I think the sweet spot is if you can drive at least half the race at high speed and then something goes wrong, I'd take that over, you know, slow paced car.

• 11:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 11:11Speaker 01

  So the cars got, I had never driven the car before. I think I got in second stint. It was like 100 degrees outside, no cool shirt situation.

• 11:22Matt Farah?

  And no, no practice. You haven't turned a wheel until hot track?

• 11:26Speaker 01

  Sorry, we did, we signed up for test in June day Friday.

• 11:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 11:31Speaker 01

  Which I paid for my own, my, my time, they paid for theirs, $250. Car had some issues. So I think I got six laps of getting to know you.

• 11:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 11:41Speaker 01

  And our other new driver did as well. And then what we were having is a fueling issue where it seemed like the fuel was boiling. Do you remember?

• 11:47Matt Farah?

  Chavitating.

• 11:48Speaker 01

  Bingo. Remember when we experienced that with?

• 11:51Matt Farah?

  I experienced it a couple of times.

• 11:52Speaker 01

  Not Bozy, uh, busy.

• 11:55Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 11:55Speaker 01

  So we filmed this.

• 11:56Matt Farah?

  That also happened in, with my Fox body because I put in a fuel pump that was too big, flowing too much fuel and it was circulating that hot fuel back into the tank. And I learned then that bigger is not always better.

• 12:13Speaker 01

  I think that our main tech person was learning that lesson and, and will figure it out.

• 12:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah. What's funny is it was happening to me when the car was like, when I was in traffic. It's not the kind of thing that would happen when I was romping on.

• 12:29Speaker 01

  Right.

• 12:30Matt Farah?

  But I, this could be the same problem. You're flowing a lot more fuel than you can get into the motor. The rest of it goes right back into the tank after going past a very hot engine.

• 12:40Speaker 01

  So, and I, I brought that up because the person who like maintains the car, he's a. Like biomedical engineer by trade, like smart person, all the tools I've ever seen in the world, which we needed.

• 12:50Matt Farah?

  If the car has a heart attack, I bet he could diagnose.

• 12:53Speaker 01

  And he diagnosed a lot of stuff. I was honestly very impressed, but this-

• 12:56Matt Farah?

  I poke fun.

• 12:58Speaker 01

  Oh, of course. But this was like a very new situation because he had put in a new fuel system and I told him the story about busy. And he's like, oh, okay. So the next morning, they go to O'Reilly's, they buy a transmission cooler. And they put that in the fuel return line in the truck bed. Now, I've never seen this. You have an air cooled-

• 13:18Matt Farah?

  No way. I've never seen a heat exchanger in-

• 13:21Speaker 01

  I bet no one has.

• 13:23Matt Farah?

  Maybe I have and I've just not looked for it, but that sounds new to me.

• 13:27Speaker 01

  Me too. Maybe the Veyron has one. I don't know.

• 13:29Matt Farah?

  Did it work?

• 13:29Speaker 01

  It did.

• 13:30Matt Farah?

  Cool.

• 13:31Speaker 01

  It did. So on Friday, test and tune, the car ran like garbage and it's idling weird and stuff. And then they put this thing in. They literally get it done 10 minutes before green flag. Green flag goes, car drives an hour and 20 minutes. Until the driver can't handle the heat anymore because it was 108 degrees. And then we started swapping and the car ran pretty good.

• 13:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 13:50Speaker 01

  For like 15 hours. Now, we definitely had to bring it in and look at things now and then, and we knew we weren't going to win anything. But there was nothing catastrophic, like all the way through the night until, I think, 6 a.m. I had, I had, well, when I drove it at night, it had a stumbling issue, but I'll get to that in a minute.

• 14:09Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 14:09Speaker 01

  But this thing, this car fucking rocks, dude. When it was running well, this thing's like 2,700 pounds.

• 14:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 14:16Speaker 01

  Suspension, however they did this, it's great. It feels like a really agile, tight, possibly slightly too firm, old Mustang.

• 14:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's like Fox body shit, right?

• 14:25Speaker 01

  It's a Falcon. It's a Falcon, which is basically a Mustang.

• 14:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 14:29Speaker 01

  And it's, I mean-

• 14:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah, Fox body based cars are good Lemons cars. Were you shifting it like 4,800?

• 14:36Speaker 01

  Uh, no, we could go to 6.

• 14:37Matt Farah?

  Were you shifting it 6?

• 14:38Speaker 01

  Yeah. And they said it would go to 7 and I was like, no, I'll, well, I'll chill.

• 14:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 14:43Speaker 01

  And I don't want to be that guy.

• 14:44Matt Farah?

  Not, with a Fox body motor, not much happens between 6 and 7.

• 14:48Speaker 01

  This thing comes on cam pretty good.

• 14:50Matt Farah?

  Does it?

• 14:50Speaker 01

  At like 4 and a half grand.

• 14:52Matt Farah?

  What cams? Do you know what cam it was?

• 14:53Speaker 01

  I have no idea. It had a lot of shiny stuff. And when it, when it ran well, dude, it fucking cooked. And like Lemons is so fun if you are, if you're a mid pack car. So we're class C. Meaning there's class B and A or more advanced, et cetera. And then there's like D and E. C is great because you're faster than like half the field, but you're not timing, you're not freaking out about your pit stops, you're not as aggressive as some of the other cars, and your budget is probably smaller. So we were passing people and dicing up and stuff, and then you know a Corvette C5 goes by at like a 20 mile per hour delta. Yeah. There was a Thunderbird out there that I had amazing battles with.

• 15:35Speaker 01

  Like I've never had my front bumper so close to another car's rear bumper unless I was hitting them like parallel parking. Yeah. And in the corners, I was just up this person's ass, but on the straightaway, you just hear whatever they built under that hood go, and they just walk us a little bit. Man, it's so fun. I had the most amazing time. Great. And racing old shit, I felt like I was in a poor man's Goodwood. Oh yeah, because you're vintage racing. I'm vintage racing. You are vintage racing. The car is sliding. Yeah. Like all over when you want it to, but just those little, little slides around, you know, big third gear corners. And you have to use like a DOT tire, right? Yeah. Yeah. We're on... Toyo's? Toyo's? Yeah, well, so the car's gonna move a little bit. It's not, it's not a stuck car. Especially when it's hot. I mean.

• 16:19Speaker 01

  That's a fucking good time. It's full course, right? Full cor... No, no, sorry. It was only three mile. So east course. So east course. Okay, with the hill. The hill is interesting. Yes, it is. How about in the dark? Is there a light there? Yes. There's a light on the hill. There's a light that illuminates that the hill is there. And I, I had an oopsie in the dark on the hill. It was not a Tavorish oopsie. But I was trying to, I was trying to figure out if I could brake later to like shave some time, because we can get to the times in a moment. And I braked a little too late, and I locked up the tires. And then in the moment, I went, oh, I've locked up the tires. I need to release, but now I'm freaked out because I'm heading towards the grass, which I am now in. Like that's how the moment happens. So I went off into the grass at like 10. And

• 17:03Matt Farah?

  But then you just drove right back on to the track.

• 17:05Speaker 01

  Yep, I drove back on.

• 17:06Matt Farah?

  Was there a penalty? Was it a four off penalty?

• 17:08Speaker 01

  There would have been. I pulled, I just, there's supposed to be. You know, for people who don't know, like if you go four off, you get black flagged at Lemons and they ask you why you did what you did. So I just went to the judges stand and said, hey, I just did this. And they're like, all right, we hadn't flagged you yet, but like, what happened? How do you feel? Cause they were really checking in with people for heat exhaustion.

• 17:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 17:26Speaker 01

  Cause it was a fucking problem.

• 17:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 17:28Speaker 01

  So they want to make sure you're still, it was on 90 degrees at that point. It cooled down to like 70 at 4am.

• 17:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah. But that was great. Other than being like tripping from being tired, I bet.

• 17:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:39Matt Farah?

  Bet it was the delight at 70. Except it was probably so windy.

• 17:43Speaker 01

  No.

• 17:43Matt Farah?

  Oh, no?

• 17:44Speaker 01

  Very little, like, perfect wind.

• 17:46Matt Farah?

  Cool.

• 17:46Speaker 01

  The two guys that drove at night drove long stints. They said the car ran good. Uh, our teammate posted the fastest time of the team at night, which made Glucker very upset. And then, um, and then I, I was gonna get dawn patrol, but I gave it to Jeff, cause I was like, it, it's such a special thing. And I was like, I just joined this team. You've been doing this a decade. Like, you should have dawn patrol.

• 18:06Matt Farah?

  Okay, that's nice of you.

• 18:07Speaker 01

  And then he got in and then the car stumbled and fucked up. So he actually didn't get like a good run, which sucks. But, uh, I still, you know, it's the thought that counts.

• 18:14Matt Farah?

  Well, better for that to happen with him in the car than for you to do it and the, and he doesn't get to drive at all.

• 18:20Speaker 01

  That's very true. That's very true.

• 18:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 18:22Speaker 01

  Cause then I would have wondered, oh, did I do something wrong?

• 18:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 18:25Speaker 01

  But I, I'd already done enough of that.

• 18:27Matt Farah?

  Listen, if the car's gonna take a dump, better for it to take a dump when you're not driving. There's no question.

• 18:32Speaker 01

  Very true.

• 18:33Matt Farah?

  The, the guest, the, the house guest did not break the car.

• 18:37Speaker 01

  The good news is everyone got to share that responsibility throughout the weekend. Everybody got to experience strange idling, cutting off, fuel leak occasionally. Um, clutch pedal braking, that was me. Throttle, the throttle stop thing, I snapped off by accident and had to pull back in, cause the throttle wouldn't return, but wouldn't go down. Yeah.

• 18:57Matt Farah?

  Oh, cool.

• 18:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, lemon stuff.

• 18:59Matt Farah?

  How was the driving position for, for your stint?

• 19:03Speaker 01

  Pretty good.

• 19:04Matt Farah?

  Really?

• 19:04Speaker 01

  Only, uh, because when I first got there, the seat was leaned back. And I went, oh, like I almost straight arm, even when the seat was slid all the way forward. And Glucker. Advocated, he's like, I've been asking to move, like change the seat, can we just do that? And we tilted it forward and then it was actually quite good.

• 19:21Matt Farah?

  You should be sitting pretty straight up, pretty straight up and down for racing.

• 19:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:26Matt Farah?

  You should be a little closer to the wheel than you're probably comfortable with.

• 19:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:30Matt Farah?

  You know?

• 19:31Speaker 01

  I think most people would, but for us it was perfect.

• 19:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 19:33Speaker 01

  And then it had a slider because Jeff is like 6'3".

• 19:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 19:36Speaker 01

  And I think one of the other guys on our team was like 5'9". So we had a good range there. So driving position was good, steering feedback is okay. It's a little loosey goosey. It's a manual rack, you know, and so many turns lock to lock. Like you can do little slides and you feel like you're a god.

• 19:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 19:53Speaker 01

  But god forbid, it really stepped out and you'd have to do like three turns to catch and then, you know, you're, you're opening like a door on a submarine. I don't think that would be a good time.

• 20:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 20:04Speaker 01

  And I considered it. I was like, oh, can I link some corners? Like, shut the fuck up, Zach.

• 20:07Matt Farah?

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• 24:22Matt Farah?

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• 24:33Speaker 01

  Um, so I went out on my, my first stint was my best when it was the hottest because the car was having problems on my second one. And I ran a 226.

• 24:43Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 24:44Speaker 01

  Which they radioed and they're like, hey, that's, that's good. Like, you're doing well. And I got in, and I came back in. I, I was inconsistent because something I've learned is managing traffic is a skill of its own.

• 24:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 24:55Speaker 01

  Like, that's hard. I would run quick and then putting pieces together and then I'd get up to traffic and I was too nice. I was like, they'll move. They know I'm loud and fast. Like, I don't want to dive bomb. It's too early in the day. What if someone turns in? I was very, like, trying to protect the car too much.

• 25:10Matt Farah?

  Uh, yeah.

• 25:12Speaker 01

  Which was smart.

• 25:13Matt Farah?

  Understandable.

• 25:14Speaker 01

  It was an endurance race.

• 25:15Matt Farah?

  It's the kind of thing that people criticize doing when they've never driven a borrowed race car.

• 25:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:21Matt Farah?

  You know? When you're driving a borrowed race car, it's a little, you're not going to necessarily send it, send it.

• 25:26Speaker 01

  Uh, that's true. And I hadn't been to Thunderhill, I think, in seven years.

• 25:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 25:33Speaker 01

  And Jeff's raced it like every year with Lemons, so he was more familiar. So, so I came back in and my time was good. And then Jeff got in the car and he ran 225s, but like, very consistent lap to lap. So I'm very impressed with his ability to manage traffic. Um, and then our, our guy Scott went out at night and ran like a 222 and it was much cooler, probably nicer on the tires, better power. Uh, but Jeff never got to defeat that time, which is probably bothering him as he listens to this show right now. And I understand why.

• 26:01Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 26:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:03Matt Farah?

  Cool. Well, that's good.

• 26:05Speaker 01

  It's the fucking best.

• 26:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Cheap racing is great.

• 26:08Speaker 01

  Cheap racing is great, but I, like, I watched the Goodwood Festival or revival footage, like, ad nauseam on Instagram because I just think the movement of the cars is so good.

• 26:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 26:15Speaker 01

  You can get that if you race an old thing at Lemons. Don't race... An E46 or whatever, you know, new thing like that'll feel like modern sports car driving, which we do all the time. But this was the different flavor and it was the best.

• 26:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you don't have to go to, you could bring good wood to you. You could have your own, your own good wood.

• 26:34Speaker 01

  I'm fucking telling you, man. I was yelling in the car, having so much fun.

• 26:38Matt Farah?

  Concept. Okay, all right, so maybe, maybe we need to do that. Maybe we need to build a vintage, a vintage, a cheap vintage racer. You know who's gonna care about that? Fucking nobody. We're gonna do a project car that will be instant fucking death.

• 26:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:57Matt Farah?

  Great.

• 26:58Speaker 01

  We go to VARA, what is it, right? Vintage Auto Racing Association.

• 27:00Matt Farah?

  Everyone's gonna, no one's gonna like this.

• 27:02Speaker 01

  No, no, no one will. We could just talk about the show for two minutes and then not make a video about it.

• 27:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah, nobody's gonna like this at all.

• 27:09Speaker 01

  But we'll like it.

• 27:10Matt Farah?

  But we could have fun.

• 27:11Speaker 01

  You should, you should join.

• 27:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I don't, I don't wanna build it though. We just fucking look on racing junk and buy somebody's.

• 27:17Speaker 01

  That's the way to go.

• 27:18Matt Farah?

  Vintage race car.

• 27:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:20Matt Farah?

  We don't even have to do that. I guarantee you, at least three people listening to this show want out of their vintage race car right now and will unprompted message.

• 27:29Speaker 01

  That's true. If you have something with decent horsepower.

• 27:31Matt Farah?

  The mountain will come to Mohammed Habibi.

• 27:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a good point. Something with a V8 would be preferable. Cause I saw how much work Sam Smith put into that 2002 vintage race car and it seems very complicated for that engine to try to go fast and let's go V8.

• 27:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's, we'll be, I wanna be more Trans Am. I don't need to be two liter.

• 27:52Speaker 01

  It's the best.

• 27:53Matt Farah?

  If we're gonna do that. But I want a real steering rack.

• 27:56Speaker 01

  Um, yeah.

• 27:57Matt Farah?

  Like a standard Fox body rack is the, is the bare minimum that I'll go. I wanna feel like a 60's vibe, but I don't wanna steer 60's.

• 28:07Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 28:07Matt Farah?

  60's steering sucks my ass.

• 28:09Speaker 01

  I would change that if I could've, sure.

• 28:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I hated steering that Parnell Jones car.

• 28:15Speaker 01

  Oh, I didn't feel that.

• 28:16Matt Farah?

  Like, I actually, like, it's a fool's sacrilege, cause it's like a special car. Like, I didn't like driving that. I didn't like how it drove.

• 28:22Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 28:23Matt Farah?

  But like, in fact, like, I think, I wonder if you, do we need to go 60's? If we did a Fox body race car, would that be old enough to vintage racing vibes you?

• 28:32Speaker 01

  Uh, I don't, well, I don't know.

• 28:35Matt Farah?

  What if we went with a fucking IROC?

• 28:38Speaker 01

  That's pretty old. Yeah, that would feel Trans Ami. I like that.

• 28:41Matt Farah?

  IROC could be a good time.

• 28:43Speaker 01

  I think that would be, that's a good idea.

• 28:45Matt Farah?

  Right?

• 28:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. There's something about like, you know, the car stripped, bare metal, no windows in the back. Like, there's a lot of noise and then, uh, and then the movement of the car. I think you could get that and it would feel old.

• 28:56Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm. And an IROC is real garbagio.

• 28:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 29:01Speaker 01

  That'd be fun.

• 29:02Matt Farah?

  Something to consider. I'm glad you had a good time and didn't get heat strokes.

• 29:06Speaker 01

  Uh, I drank a gallon and a half of water on the first day and then I stopped counting.

• 29:11Matt Farah?

  Sounds right.

• 29:11Speaker 01

  Um, and I barely peed. It was nuts.

• 29:15Matt Farah?

  Sounds right. I'll tell you what, I, when I was in, it was in Italy, didn't do anything with cars. Uh, I was driven around by people in vans, almost all of whom were horrible drivers, really did not.

• 29:26Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 29:27Matt Farah?

  The, the, not all Italians are good drivers.

• 29:30Speaker 01

  Were they aggressive or just bad?

• 29:31Matt Farah?

  No, just bad. Just like bad, bad at driving. It was surprising, actually. I was very disappointed. You know who's really good at driving? All the boat people. We went to Venice, the fucking boat taxi people. So those are some skilled.

• 29:45Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, definitely.

• 29:46Matt Farah?

  Those people, we went to, um.

• 29:48Speaker 01

  A few are things to hit, but yeah.

• 29:49Matt Farah?

  Right. Nah, in Venice? Oh, dude.

• 29:53Speaker 01

  I was joking. Yeah, yeah. I meant when you go from like, was like the airport, you go across the ocean thing to Venice.

• 29:59Matt Farah?

  That's easy. No, no, within, within Venice. It gets a little dicey in there. And then, uh, I went to Verona, which is an extremely underrated city. Uh, I can't believe I've never been there before. If you're going to Italy, I, I really would put Verona on your list. It's exceptional. And the Lake Como boat drivers are also very talented. And the Lake Como car drivers are not. It was a bad place for driving, but a great place for everything else.

• 30:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:26Matt Farah?

  Um, but I really made a miscalculation with the, I'm gonna try to dress nice for this whole trip. Cause it was like 85 degrees and humid and, um, dressing nice for dinners and stuff, I felt really good. But I was, I walked like eight miles a day. I was like, I don't know why I thought a full linen outfit was the right move for this. I should have done.

• 30:48Speaker 01

  What, doesn't linen breathe great?

• 30:51Matt Farah?

  Not if you're doing exercise in stagnant humidity. It breathes great if you're at the beach and there's a breeze.

• 30:58Speaker 01

  Ah.

• 30:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah, otherwise it sticks. It's not great.

• 31:02Speaker 01

  I feel, fashion in Europe is like a challenging thing to analyze because you go, oh, I want to look good.

• 31:09Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 31:09Speaker 01

  And some people there look good and some people look terrible, but still, especially Italy.

• 31:13Matt Farah?

  You know what it's about? It's all about going for it. Whether it lends up looking good or bad, it's like that's, he's, that person is doing it.

• 31:20Speaker 01

  Neon green, super tight polo shirt, but committed.

• 31:23Matt Farah?

  Right. Oh, it's a full commitment. And I think, I, I think some of my outfits, for me anyway, I don't have a lot of good photos of my outfits on Instagram, but, but I mean, there's a lot of just linen stuff and, and.

• 31:34Speaker 01

  Is that?

• 31:35Matt Farah?

  Huh? That was the wine list at this restaurant we went to that was insane.

• 31:40Speaker 01

  This looks like a spellbook. This is, it is a third, a quarter of the size of your body.

• 31:45Matt Farah?

  It's so big.

• 31:45Speaker 01

  That is a two foot tall book.

• 31:48Matt Farah?

  So big, so thick, and man, did I pick a great bottle from it.

• 31:52Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 31:52Matt Farah?

  Uh, God, I, I fucking love Italy so much.

• 31:55Speaker 01

  It's the greatest.

• 31:56Matt Farah?

  Uh, what, what else is there? I mean, doing, I don't need to talk about my, my vacation so much, but like, uh, everyone should go to Italy. It's, and you know, here's what's something that's interesting is that, uh, before I went, everyone, you know, it's sort of like, it's a, it's a bad time to be an American, traveling internationally and like, despite the shit show that is happening here, uh, the fact is, nobody was hostile to us because we were Americans. I mean, we're not like, we're not like flamboyantly like, you know, flag waving, like insane loud Americans, but like, everybody was very, very nice.

• 32:34Matt Farah?

  And, uh, the only time it came up at all in Venice, the, uh, the, the palace in Venice, the, you know, from before, uh, uh, Venice was part of a unified Italy. It was like a sort of independent city state and, uh,

• 32:47Speaker 01

  Called Waterworld.

• 32:48Matt Farah?

  The leader was called the Doge. And so.

• 32:51Speaker 01

  Oh, that's right.

• 32:52Matt Farah?

  The, believe the palace is called the Doge. And so that, you know, kind of comes up and, and after three days in Venice as an American, you never want to hear the word Doge again.

• 33:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, the coinage of the Republic of Venice.

• 33:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 33:08Speaker 01

  Called Doge coin.

• 33:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's, it's not, it's not the best. So, yeah. So that was annoying. But uh, my takeaway is if you've never been to fucking Verona, you should go. Because you know what it is, it's like if Florence, uh, if Rome is New York City and Florence is Los Angeles. Which is not exactly, it's a bad, not a bad, bad metaphor. Uh, Verona is like, uh, Austin. Or not like in a hip way, in like a size and manageability way, or like a Philly, like. If you're gonna go somewhere for two days, it's like perfect amount of walkable. And like local and tourist and old and new and fucking real nice and the food is wow.

• 33:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:52Matt Farah?

  But like, man, while I was gone, like we'd, we loaded up shows. So we haven't, we haven't been in the same room for 11 days, but like while I was gone. Um, well, A, our city's a fucking shit show right now and we're actually gonna talk about that in its entirety tomorrow with an expert. So we'll pretend it's not happening for today. Uh, in order to stay sane, maybe. Uh, but our, our friends, uh, Thomas and James are on, apparently on the grand tour.

• 34:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:20Matt Farah?

  Now, which congratulations to them, that's, that's unbelievable.

• 34:23Speaker 01

  Well deserved, for sure.

• 34:24Matt Farah?

  I can't wait to see how it works out with the weird train guy.

• 34:30Matt Farah?

  You know, like it's, that's weird as hell, right?

• 34:33Speaker 01

  I completely agree, but uh, either, it will either be the most intelligent choice, cause he's like the James May to the group. And I mean, I just haven't watched a lot of his content, or we'll see.

• 34:44Matt Farah?

  Um, what I've seen has been, uh, exciting. For him. He is, he is.

• 34:51Speaker 01

  I mean, for fish out of water content, that's fantastic. You're like, let's just put you in fast cars and desert.

• 34:56Matt Farah?

  I suppose that's true.

• 34:57Speaker 01

  Now, his reactions will be like, super genuine six-year-old at Disneyland.

• 35:02Matt Farah?

  What else will make him have orgasms?

• 35:07Speaker 01

  But I think, I'm curious what he does when they do like the standalone segments. Is he gonna talk about trains and public transit, or is he gonna talk about cars?

• 35:17Matt Farah?

  Do you think they're gonna do that? On the, I think you're confusing that with Top Gear. They never did that on, the Grand Tour wasn't-

• 35:23Speaker 01

  The beginning they did, didn't they?

• 35:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and then they fucking got away from it.

• 35:26Speaker 01

  Well, I'm wondering, I don't know, maybe they'll go back to that, I don't know.

• 35:28Matt Farah?

  Maybe, that's true.

• 35:29Speaker 01

  I think, I would be shocked if they don't do standalone car reviews because James and Thomas are so good at it.

• 35:36Matt Farah?

  That's true.

• 35:37Speaker 01

  And it seemed like maybe the trio was bored of it, because they'd done everything and they didn't have the time or whatever. But these guys might still be into it, I'm not sure.

• 35:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I don't know, but I'm very happy for them.

• 35:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:50Matt Farah?

  They earned it, so good for them. And, yeah, have fun with the train guy, that's cool. It'll be a good time, I think. Let's see, did you see this?

• 36:03Matt Farah?

  Did you see this Ford FX package that they did for the Mustang? I saw it, and I saw some outlet, I forget which, said, you know, "The new FX pack is a fever dream for Fox Body fans." I saw something like that, whatever, we don't have to judge the title. But I was like, "Oh, I am a Fox Body fan, I will click on this story." And then I looked at the thing they made. Doesn't it look corny as shit?

• 36:35Matt Farah?

  That, this doesn't, I, whatever Fox Body, I am a huge fucking Fox Body fan, I don't need to remind everybody of that. But like, what exactly are the bits that we're looking at that are these amazing? That's a great picture right there. Is that a Ford photo? That's from Ford, right?

• 36:55Speaker 01

  Probably, yeah.

• 36:56Matt Farah?

  Okay. Other than the color, and I do love the color. This is the, uh, the sort of turquoise color from the 93 Fox Body. Which, okay, the color, I get, the color looks great, I will give them that. What are these white teeth and the white wheels?

• 37:14Speaker 01

  Oh, the accents. Uh, well, the teeth, I think, have been a part, they were on the RTR. Um, like, uh, Vaughn getting, like, the RTR ones would sell colored teeth, I guess, I think it's like indicating intakes. On most of the GTs, they're just black, but they are there, I'm pretty sure. So they decided to color match them to the wheels, which look like rally wheels. A little bit like turbo fanny, right, not turbo fan, um. You know what I'm saying, what's the fucking rally wheel? Yeah, like.

• 37:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they're kind of like the.

• 37:42Speaker 01

  Which I think look very out of place. On, on a Fox Body or on a Mustang. They look like they belong on a, on an Audi or even like a Subaru, you know, WRC car.

• 37:50Matt Farah?

  Or a hot, yeah, hot hatch, a rally-inspired hot hatch. Especially in white. And dude, turquoise and with white wheels is bad. That is a bad, clashy color combination. But I just, I'm, I'm confused about what is supposed to be Fox Body about this.

• 38:11Speaker 01

  Uh, fair, I mean, other than, you know, the turquoise color, but like, if that's it, did they do anything on the inside? Like with the gate, what they got?

• 38:19Matt Farah?

  All right, look, I'll give them this plaid insert, that looks nice. That looks nice.

• 38:24Speaker 01

  Did Fox Bodies have plaid inserts?

• 38:26Matt Farah?

  The Fox Body did have a cloth that had a, a plaid-ish pattern on it. Yeah, and there's a Fox Body font on the dash. See that Mustang GT, that's the Fox Body font.

• 38:37Speaker 01

  Did they do anything with the gauge cluster, that would be like the last.

• 38:39Matt Farah?

  They already had that. They already had the sort of emulator, but I, the wheels I don't get, this haloed white badge I don't get. The T, uh, the teeth I don't get. They could have done it, if, I think if they wanted a good detail, they could have done Mustang GT on the rear three-quarter glass. That's a great Fox Body detail that went away after that, and I think that would have worked. But like, these wheels do not look like the 1993 GT wheels.

• 39:06Speaker 01

  No.

• 39:07Matt Farah?

  They don't look like the fucking Cobra wheels. They don't look like any Fox Body wheel at all.

• 39:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, the Cobra wheels would have been great, I mean, they're simple five spoke, right?

• 39:15Matt Farah?

  That's why I asked you about if that photo was a Ford photo, because it shows it next to the Cobra, and it doesn't look anything like it, oh, you passed it, go back down.

• 39:23Speaker 01

  My apologies, people watching.

• 39:25Matt Farah?

  There, there we go. Like, it looks worse when you put them next to each other. Those wheels would be cool.

• 39:31Speaker 01

  These would be better.

• 39:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 39:32Speaker 01

  I don't love the wheels on the original Fox body either, but they're definitely better.

• 39:36Matt Farah?

  But if we went to Patrick at HRE and said, "Make me a today version of that turbofan wheel", I guarantee you they'd come up with something a lot better and

• 39:47Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 39:47Matt Farah?

  truer to the vibe than what they've done here.

• 39:49Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yesterday, I just saw, yesterday I saw a GR86 with white wheels, which looked really good.

• 39:55Matt Farah?

  That could work.

• 39:56Speaker 01

  Cause it's Tommy McInnes Mitsubishi Lancer stuff. But yeah, the teal and the white is a little bit.

• 40:01Matt Farah?

  White wheels are not always a fail. But in this case, the design of the wheel doesn't match the car. And turquoise with white is clashy and ugly. And I'm fucking colorblind. Come on now.

• 40:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, this looks like a shower drain or something like that. There's just, there's

• 40:19Speaker 01

  not enough pores.

• 40:21Matt Farah?

  The color is good, though. I do love, on its own, if it had regular wheels without the white shit, the color's nice.

• 40:28Speaker 01

  Yeah. Interesting.

• 40:29Matt Farah?

  Baby, what are we doing over here?

• 40:31Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 40:31Matt Farah?

  But how about, let's talk about something good. Did you look downstairs in the underground level?

• 40:35Speaker 01

  I did. France has arrived.

• 40:37Matt Farah?

  Mmm, vive la France.

• 40:39Speaker 01

  Yeah. I don't know how they did that, but I'm really happy that they did.

• 40:42Matt Farah?

  I think David Twiggs sent the bat signal back. Is that?

• 40:46Speaker 01

  He FedExed us a car.

• 40:47Matt Farah?

  Dude, shout out to TST fan Ben. I don't necessarily want to use his last name, Ben C. from France, who shipped his Alpine A110 to, a new, the new one, the current one.

• 41:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, the new one.

• 41:04Matt Farah?

  The new one, the modern one. Shipped it to the east coast, I think Jersey or something, drove it, road tripped it across the US to here, left it here with us, told us to film it, which we haven't done yet, because I just got back. And then he's gonna pick it up and go do the Pebble Beach thing in August.

• 41:23Speaker 01

  Perfect.

• 41:24Matt Farah?

  So, I haven't asked him exactly how much I can drive it yet. At first, I was like, "Yeah, we'll just film it, but I don't want to do it." And then I went downstairs this morning and saw it down there and I was like, "I'm gonna take that home today." I'm not, but I'd like to.

• 41:36Speaker 01

  Right, yeah, you gotta ask what the mileage limits are on a show and display thing.

• 41:40Matt Farah?

  Uh, yeah, I don't know. But, man, just looking at that thing downstairs, boy, are we Americans missing out.

• 41:49Speaker 01

  I'm so excited.

• 41:50Matt Farah?

  Fucking, it's so cool looking, that thing.

• 41:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like, it might be a little bit of a meet your heroes, because every journalist that's driven this car just says how perfect it is. But, I believe, like, that many upvotes, I believe.

• 42:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah, from people that I trust to determine what good is.

• 42:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 42:07Matt Farah?

  I've never met anybody who's like, "Yeah, that sucks."

• 42:11Matt Farah?

  And there's, and there's, there are cars that are considered great where opinions are hugely divided.

• 42:16Speaker 01

  Very true.

• 42:16Matt Farah?

  Alpha 4C.

• 42:17Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 42:18Matt Farah?

  There are people who I generally trust about things who have said they like that car. And I've stopped trusting them afterwards, but they're entitled to their opinions. Uh, but shit, I can't wait to drive that motherfucker.

• 42:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:31Matt Farah?

  That's, mm.

• 42:33Speaker 01

  It might, I don't know, it'd be interesting, I can't wait to see how it compares to a Mira.

• 42:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 42:39Speaker 01

  I know, I think it's a little lighter.

• 42:40Matt Farah?

  Should we get an Mira and film a comparison test?

• 42:46Matt Farah?

  And also a base Cayman?

• 42:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, if we can, that would be amazing. Especially because viewers are more interested in seeing cars they can buy here. We've learned that before.

• 42:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 42:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, if you're, if the title's like, "The best car you can't buy," people go, "Well..."

• 43:00Matt Farah?

  The best car you can, and then one you can't.

• 43:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 43:03Speaker 01

  That'd be cool.

• 43:04Matt Farah?

  We should consider these things. We should, maybe. Uh, I think we finally have, uh, dates for the live podcast. I think we're gonna try this, we're working with our friends at The Shop, um, which is like a car storage club thing. There's three of them, there's one in Seattle, there's two in Texas. Uh, but we're gonna try the Texas ones. We're gonna try, I believe it's gonna be July 24th and 25th. Uh, July 24th, Houston, 25th, Dallas, or vice versa. We have, we haven't figured that out yet, but for our Texas people... We're gonna come to you. I think it's gonna be about 150, 200 tickets a show.

• 43:45Matt Farah?

  Uh, at the shop in Dallas, uh, and Houston. Um, and I think it's actually happening. And Christian James Hand is going to come with us. And he will, and so you'll actually get to see Christian James Hand live also, which is fucking

• 44:01Speaker 01

  It's a treat. It really is.

• 44:02Matt Farah?

  It's like, I, I'm, I didn't even wanna do it until he would come. Like, I know we do a good show, but our show is a good podcast. It's not necessarily on its face set up to be a live show. A live show has to have an energy and Christian has that energy for the live performance, which I think will add so much value to what we're doing. Plus, I like hanging out with Christian. Going on the road with him is fun.

• 44:29Speaker 01

  It'll be very fun. And for everybody, like, if you're not familiar with him, it will change the way you listen to music for the better. I promise you.

• 44:37Matt Farah?

  So, Texas people, July 24th and 5th, Dallas and Houston. And, um, I'll have more about that. Also, uh, what's this, today, today is Tuesday, the 10th. What is next Monday?

• 44:53Speaker 01

  Uh, 16th.

• 44:54Matt Farah?

  The 16th. Monday, the 16th. Patreon pre-sale for the Green Notice Canyon. Um, the Mother of Pearl will be two weeks behind it. So, uh, it'll be, it's 100 units, individually numbered, uh, Patreon only. So, we are going to, uh, put the link up in the Patreon page, um, on Monday, uh, to buy it. It's, I think we're gonna, I don't know, whatever time, I haven't figured it out yet. I'll put a post with the time. Like, you'll know what time before then, but it's gonna be next Monday. It's gonna be in the morning, Pacific time. Um, so if you wanna get the green, uh, that's gonna be then, 100 units only, and then 50

• 45:38Matt Farah?

  more units of the Tahitian Black Pearl, two weeks after that. Uh, no price impact from tariffs. The prices will be the same. It's gonna be same 11.99, like all the other ones, for the green. Uh, green with gilt, with gold indices and gold hands. And, uh, 17.50 for the Mother of Pearl, because, um, the dials are a lot more expensive, because they're a natural material.

• 46:09Matt Farah?

  And as a bonus, I think, not 100% on it yet, but I think the pearl one will have an oyster style bracelet instead of the jubilee style bracelet, because oysters and pearls go together.

• 46:23Speaker 01

  What's the difference?

• 46:24Matt Farah?

  This is a five link across.

• 46:27Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 46:28Matt Farah?

  An oyster is a three link.

• 46:29Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 46:30Matt Farah?

  It's a two, it's a two fins on the outside and a fat in the middle.

• 46:33Speaker 01

  Why do they call it oyster? Just because it was designed by Rolex for the oyster or something?

• 46:38Matt Farah?

  For the oyster perpetually, yeah. Probably, I think, yeah. That's, I would guess, and that goes back to there. So, um, those are fun. Live podcasts in July, the end of the canyons, the last 150 watches are going out. It's a, uh, it's a big month.

• 46:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:55Matt Farah?

  It's a big month.

• 46:56Speaker 01

  Live shows are gonna be so fun.

• 46:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Um, so, uh, before we get to questions, because we have a lot of them, uh, and we, there's no way we're gonna cover all the questions we got today. This is way too many.

• 47:07Speaker 01

  It was nine pages. We'll save them. Don't worry, folks.

• 47:10Matt Farah?

  We'll run them out. Your questions are valuable. Shout out to our patrons, of course, patreon.com/thesmogontirepodcast. You do have to be a patron to get either of these, uh, watches, at least unless the, uh, unless the patrons don't want all of them. Whatever's left will be released to the public, but I suspect it won't be many, if any. Um, we love you. Thank you for being a patron. Uh, we certainly appreciate it. Um, but, what was I gonna say? Oh, yeah. Uh, tomorrow, uh, Zach will post it this afternoon, but our show tomorrow, we're gonna do with our buddy Sergio, who is an immigration attorney here in LA. And he's got a big practice.

• 47:52Matt Farah?

  He knows a lot about, um, the, the craziness that is happening, um, in Los Angeles right now. And I wanna try to have like a educated and level-headed discussion about, uh, you know, how we can sort of support our neighbors, uh, in this, because, uh, it's just unbelievably terrible, like what is happening, uh, with these sort of... You know, snatching people off the fucking street. You know, we're not, we're not talking about catching murderers. They're reading, they're reading Home Depots.

• 48:26Speaker 01

  Well, and if it's like, and if they're misidentified, I mean, that's, those are the stories that frustrating when they're like citizen arrested or deported even despite showing identification.

• 48:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 48:36Speaker 01

  And like, that's, that's the indefensible part.

• 48:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and so, you know, I want to talk to someone who has a lot of knowledge about the, what's happening outside the fucking sensationalist news reports. So that's going to be tomorrow at what 12, what did I say 12? I think I put it, I think it's 12, okay. Uh, so if you have questions for that, make sure you check the Patreon later today. Um, right. Shall we get to the rest of this? Whoa, big, long paragraph. Uh, Hannah's disappointed puzzles says, should we, have we ever considered a more philanthropic efforts?

• 49:21Matt Farah?

  A smoking tire foundation could host events, track days, et cetera. In my experience, these people will, uh, car enthusiasts are generally kind-hearted, et cetera, et cetera. Uh, yeah. Um, I haven't really thought that much about it. I mean, I think we try to do a little good here and there where we can, uh, on individual bases, but, uh, I have not thought of a bigger foundation.

• 49:49Speaker 01

  I mean, I would like to do charitable things with T S T, but I don't want to make it a revenue stream because this person said you can pay yourself and, you know, there's plenty of, uh, charities that take a lot of admin fees, which, you know, that people have to do work, but I think what, what we were discussing in two weeks ago was new revenue sources for us, not.

• 50:11Speaker 01

  A charity event that also acts as a revenue source for us. I don't like that.

• 50:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I don't want to do charity and then take a salary from it.

• 50:21Speaker 01

  Right.

• 50:21Matt Farah?

  I understand that is a thing that a lot of people do. It wouldn't make me feel so great.

• 50:27Speaker 01

  Same.

• 50:28Matt Farah?

  If I can donate my time, or donate some money, or sell a thing and give all the money away, you know, if we're going to do something for charity, I don't want to keep any of it.

• 50:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:39Matt Farah?

  It's a great thought, but I think I don't have time to run another business that's a charity either. So like, if we see something, we're going to try to do something. And maybe Sergio has a way that we could all do something together.

• 50:53Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 50:54Matt Farah?

  For people tomorrow. Itsy Bitsy Spider says, "Given that you can no longer order a Spyder new, just the RS, if you were doing your box today, would you stick with the Spyder or would you choose a GTS?" It's actually a tough question because I'd probably drive the car a little more if it was a GTS. If I had the power top, I'd probably drive it more. There's times where I'm like, "Oh, I don't want to deal with that." Occasionally. But I'd still, I think still going with the Spyder is probably justified. With that much power, the extra things that you get, the higher starting point is worth it. Plus, it's a more special car. Oh, we already covered the FX pack question there.

• 51:37Matt Farah?

  Double O Slow, "I'm considering a color change to my B7 RS4. Would you do a paint or a wrap? It's a driver with 80,000 miles, all-in cost. What's the better value if I hold on to it for another five years?"

• 51:56Speaker 01

  When you say five plus years, if you're doing five plus years, I would say you need to call around and get estimates on both. That's what I did. I found out how much a good paint job would be, and for me, getting it wrapped was cheaper. And... You know, but getting a wrap that will last five years, which my PPF wrap should, is expensive. And depending on where you live.

• 52:16Matt Farah?

  He's talking about a color change paint job.

• 52:18Speaker 01

  Right, oh, very good point.

• 52:19Matt Farah?

  Color change paint job means engine out, glass out.

• 52:22Speaker 01

  That's right, right.

• 52:22Matt Farah?

  That's not a nose respray.

• 52:24Speaker 01

  That's also why I wrapped it, because I wanted it to be green and my engine bay is blue.

• 52:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 52:29Speaker 01

  And this was a way I could just kind of do it without ripping all that stuff out. So unless your car's, if your car is black, God bless you, you can do a color change. The engine bay can be black.

• 52:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 52:38Speaker 01

  But if the engine bay is red and you want to color change it, yeah. If you're doing a full color change with the engine bay, I guarantee that that will be over $10,000. Because at least.

• 52:48Matt Farah?

  Oh, I think it would be more like 20.

• 52:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 52:52Speaker 01

  So to get my, to get my car sprayed in LA, you know, by good people at OEM level, they said started at 15 was going to be more like 20, and that was without color change.

• 53:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 53:02Speaker 01

  So quality of work will vary, your pricing will vary as well. But I would say call around before you say, "I'm definitely doing one or the other."

• 53:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 53:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and if the, if your paint is pretty good, like Zach's wrap really got out of hand.

• 53:19Speaker 01

  I mean, the paint got out, oh, the wrap.

• 53:20Matt Farah?

  Your wrap got out of hand because your paint was really bad.

• 53:23Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 53:23Matt Farah?

  You had, you had, like, your paint had cancer.

• 53:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:27Matt Farah?

  You know, if, if this is 80,000 mile driver paint, but a really good correction can make it smooth.

• 53:33Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 53:34Matt Farah?

  Then your wrap is $5,000, $6,000, not 10.

• 53:37Speaker 01

  Good point.

• 53:38Matt Farah?

  And, and I would probably just do that.

• 53:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:41Matt Farah?

  You know, I wouldn't spend too much on it, because then you take it off and you've got an 80,000 mile paint job underneath. It's not like you're protecting something that's precious.

• 53:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:51Matt Farah?

  I would also maybe consider getting a factory respray. Maybe this car color is just tired, and if you factory respray it, it's not as expensive and it looks like a new car, and it's the right color.

• 54:04Speaker 01

  True.

• 54:04Matt Farah?

  That's just another.

• 54:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, those are good options.

• 54:06Matt Farah?

  Dorsey, maybe, I don't know. Travis Pastrana's primary care provider. Do you think Travis Pastrana's like, "Man, we really need some universal health care in this bitch?"

• 54:15Speaker 01

  I think he might be the reason we don't have it, because they're like, "You will bankrupt the whole system yourself."

• 54:20Matt Farah?

  Do you think he's insurable?

• 54:23Speaker 01

  No.

• 54:23Matt Farah?

  I bet he's not.

• 54:24Speaker 01

  I bet he's out of pocket.

• 54:26Matt Farah?

  I bet, I bet, I bet his contract with Red Bull or whoever includes.

• 54:31Speaker 01

  I'm sure.

• 54:32Matt Farah?

  Guaranteed, yeah.

• 54:33Speaker 01

  They probably have the best PTs in the world.

• 54:35Matt Farah?

  I bet no fucking provider would cover this.

• 54:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's probably, it's probably a business, it's a capex for his company. They're like, alright, we gotta have 100 grand every year to fix his body.

• 54:47Matt Farah?

  Okay, every time I talk about my buddy's WRX, he immediately corrects me and says it's not a WRX, it's an STI.

• 54:56Speaker 01

  Love it.

• 54:57Matt Farah?

  That's, that's both great and so annoying.

• 55:01Speaker 01

  I did that.

• 55:02Matt Farah?

  Am I wrong that it's still a WRX, just the STI version? I don't see why that would be different than calling someone's Mustang GT a Mustang. You are 100% right, and also, you are ignoring the insecurity that this person has about this very specific issue, and you just may need to indulge them. Do you want to be right or do you want to be happy?

• 55:29Speaker 01

  Right.

• 55:29Matt Farah?

  You are right, but if you fight this, your life will be worse. This is an insecure person that can't handle you not recognizing that they bought the nicer one.

• 55:42Speaker 01

  Well, it's more expensive, nicer, better, all those things, yeah. It is, it is funny. How, I would love to know how old these folks are.

• 55:49Matt Farah?

  It's not a WRX, it's an STI. Oh my god, you suck.

• 55:53Speaker 01

  That's so funny.

• 55:58Speaker 01

  That is interesting. Like, if you say, like, "Oh, my Mustang", people don't go, "You mean my GT?" They go, "Yeah, it's a Mustang", but for some reason.

• 56:05Matt Farah?

  What, alright, how, what, alright, so let me think.

• 56:07Speaker 01

  Is there another one like that?

• 56:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, who would be the most insecure? Like, if you, if you had a GT3RS and someone said he drives a 911? Would you be, was that, I think that person might be a little sensitive.

• 56:19Speaker 01

  They might, that might happen. I bet, um, uh, Golf R32 owners.

• 56:24Matt Farah?

  Oh, for sure.

• 56:25Speaker 01

  I bet this is more, I mean, it's the same thing. It's, it's a trim level. Actually, that's even a better example.

• 56:30Matt Farah?

  If you have, you buy the $50,000 version of the $30,000 car, right?

• 56:35Speaker 01

  Right.

• 56:36Matt Farah?

  If you, if someone has a 458 Special and they go, oh, he has a 458, that person's not gonna get shitty about it.

• 56:42Speaker 01

  Cause you're being called rich either way.

• 56:43Matt Farah?

  On the front, on the front, right? Uh, likewise, anything above that.

• 56:48Speaker 01

  I wonder if Corolla, uh, like if you get-

• 56:50Matt Farah?

  GR.

• 56:51Speaker 01

  Right, GR Corolla, and if, especially if you get the, what's the addition with the M? I forget.

• 56:56Matt Farah?

  Oh, the Marizzo?

• 56:56Speaker 01

  Marizzo. You know, if someone's like, oh, they have, they have a Corolla and you have to quick, cause you, you basically go, I spent 60 grand, not 25.

• 57:03Matt Farah?

  Some Marizzo, bro. Some Marizzo.

• 57:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, that is, it's insecurity a little bit, for sure.

• 57:08Matt Farah?

  That's how to really get fucking side-eyed at a party. You want, you, you get defensive over it being a Marizzo at a party. Even a party full of car people, I'd be like, ew, go away. Stick.

• 57:19Speaker 01

  With this car people, but it is funny that you can use the same name to describe a car that's $25,000 that's financed by a college student. Or a engineer in his 20th year on the job bought for his autocrossing and he spent $55,000, you know? Yeah, but, but fundamentally, it's an insecure person who needs to make sure that everyone knows that they have the better version of the cheap car. And that's what it is. So if you wanna bother them, call it a WRX or just call it an Impreza.

• 57:46Matt Farah?

  I bet, see, yeah, see, it's not when the two of them are talking to each other. It's when there's other people there.

• 57:52Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 57:53Matt Farah?

  It's all, it's gotta be, right?

• 57:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, right. Yeah, that's really funny though.

• 57:56Matt Farah?

  It's so funny. Scroll down. Oh, sidebar, you know, Hannah has a new, a new car obsession and you're not going to believe what it is.

• 58:04Speaker 01

  STIs.

• 58:05Matt Farah?

  No. Fiat Pandas. She wants a Fiat Panda now. Of course, she can't have one, cause they don't make them here. But she, she saw these things, uh, the Fiat Panda is basically the Corolla of North Central Italy. Everybody's got one.

• 58:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:19Matt Farah?

  Uh, and, and as well as-

• 58:20Speaker 01

  What year does she want?

• 58:21Matt Farah?

  Like a new one.

• 58:22Speaker 01

  Really?

• 58:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like a 20, like the, the one that everybody has, like a 2022 or whatever the fuck. Like the little tall hatchback.

• 58:29Speaker 01

  With all the cladding on it? Does she like all the cladding or less cladding?

• 58:32Matt Farah?

  I don't know, pull up some pictures. I wasn't checking fucking reges to see what year they all were. Oh no.

• 58:37Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, there's a variety of shapes.

• 58:39Matt Farah?

  Oh, that's the new one? No, we don't want that. No, scroll down. Not 2024. No, no, no. Maybe it's like, try like 2015, maybe.

• 58:51Matt Farah?

  No, even that's too... Oh, that, that, that one. Yeah.

• 58:55Speaker 01

  Which one?

• 58:55Matt Farah?

  The top left photo, like, pretty much like that, maybe that one and maybe a little older than that one. That's like the, the one generation ago. 2020. 2015, something like that, whatever.

• 59:06Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 59:07Matt Farah?

  She just likes it. Tall, a tall little hatchback.

• 59:10Speaker 01

  We have those at home, Matt. We have crossover everywhere.

• 59:14Matt Farah?

  No, here's a what's... Not the, not the size of this. These are small. So, so, dude, I had, we had a really funny car moment. In Verona, we walk out of our hotel. Uh, excuse me, we walk back to our hotel, which is on the sort of an alley. It's a nice hotel, but it's like a small, little boutiquey 20-room hotel. So it's like down this alley.

• 59:35Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 59:35Matt Farah?

  So as we're walking back to the hotel.

• 59:37Speaker 01

  Call those hostels, man.

• 59:39Matt Farah?

  Definitely.

• 59:42Matt Farah?

  There's a Mercedes GLE coupe parked in front of the hotel. And Hannah goes, "Oh my God, what is this giant fucking car?" And I go, "Hannah, you, you've been contextualized." Like, I like backpedaled her. I'm like, "There are four of these on our street."

• 1:00:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. That's funny.

• 1:00:02Matt Farah?

  And I'm like, "This person, this person, this person, and this person all have them." I was like, "You see four of these every single day on our street. We come to Italy and you refer to this as a giant fucking car." See?

• 1:00:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:15Matt Farah?

  It's like, this is what happens.

• 1:00:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's really funny. It just depends on what's around it.

• 1:00:19Matt Farah?

  It's been in Italy for three days.

• 1:00:20Speaker 01

  For sure. I mean, we, we had the black series on that drive trip and I had to park it in this tiny town in France and I was like, "This car is too huge." But then when you're on the highway, totally fine.

• 1:00:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:31Matt Farah?

  So that was kind of a funny car context.

• 1:00:33Speaker 01

  That's very funny. What is this giant thing? Because all the doors are small and old. Yeah, yeah.

• 1:00:39Matt Farah?

  And it did look, it looked huge.

• 1:00:41Speaker 01

  I'm sure, because it is. It's a large vehicle. It's a large vehicle, period. But then when you're surrounded by a tiny city that was made a thousand years ago for people that are on, on donkeys. Yeah. These are donkey-sized streets. These are not GLE-sized streets.

• 1:00:56Matt Farah?

  Alright, let's, what do we got next? Fiat Pandas, shout out to them. James May was on to something, Fiat Pandas. Um, okay. Gravel Trap Hero, Vintage Bolova vs. Devil Diver reissue. Um, thoughts on vintage vs. remakes? I mean, here's my thought, if you wanna use a watch as an everyday watch, in normal situations, you don't want a vintage watch, really, any vintage watch. They're just not as durable, though they might leak, they might, you know, they might break, and they're, it's just, I wouldn't, I would get a new one that has the old vibe, if what you want is something to wear every day. If you're collecting vintage watches and you

• 1:01:42Matt Farah?

  wear it once or twice a month in a special situation where you know it's not gonna get smashed up, then cool, vintage. But, I can't be trusted wearing vintage shit every day, I'll break it, it's not for me. But I feel ya. Uh, whoa. Uh, Complicate and Add Weight, uh, found a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Final Whatever the Fuck Edition is an eye-watering $107,000. Uh, is there an addition of car you can think of that gets less value for money than that? That's gotta be a 392 with every possible fucking option on it, I mean, I, that's a tough question, could you get less for more than that at $107,000?

• 1:02:27Speaker 01

  It does indeed have a V8.

• 1:02:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:30Speaker 01

  Um, yeah, it's a 392 with probably every off-road thing they make.

• 1:02:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And bronze and shit, I mean, you know, here's what's crazy.

• 1:02:40Speaker 01

  Less value for money.

• 1:02:41Matt Farah?

  I bet.

• 1:02:42Speaker 01

  Early Hummer EVs.

• 1:02:43Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:02:44Speaker 01

  Same price, less value for money.

• 1:02:46Matt Farah?

  Uh, early Lucids, yeah.

• 1:02:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:49Matt Farah?

  Any early EV that just lost, like, you know.

• 1:02:52Speaker 01

  First, oh, and I'm not, not just to shit on it to shit on it, the first edition Cybertruck, because it was shipped without the things that made it different from the second edition Cybertruck.

• 1:03:02Matt Farah?

  Uh, anyone who bought full self-driving for $16,000? They got, they got almost zero for their money. Here's the funny thing about these Jeeps. They hold their value shockingly well. I wouldn't be surprised. That if you got one of those, it's sticker price. And sat on it and babied it for a little bit. Until they don't make the V8 one anymore. You'd get almost every dollar back.

• 1:03:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, probably. Someone's always gonna want, I mean, this is, look, the 392 was fun. That thing sounded great, went fast, and you have all of the Jeep off-road ability, which it has plenty of, lots of torque. Probably a little heavier than the smaller engines, but um. That's a, that's a rad, and like. Years ago, we drove the AEV V8 swap Jeeps before they were putting them in there, and they were selling really well. It is a, I think it's a good combination of parts for the job that Jeeps do well.

• 1:03:55Matt Farah?

  Yes, and.

• 1:03:58Matt Farah?

  It's just like the C7ZR1. It's the dumbest, biggest, brashest, silliest version. Or the ACR Final Edition. All of those are, were been fabulous investments if you got one at sticker. So, yeah, it's real stupid, but. I bet you most of those people get their money back out of them. Or at least most of it, actually. NK says, if the Alpina B3 was available in the US, would it be a popular option versus the M3 Touring? And would you pick it over the M3 Touring? I would rather have an Alpina than an M car for road driving. Period. I just, that's how I like to drive a little more with that type of car.

• 1:04:45Speaker 01

  I mean, Alpinas tend to be softer sprung.

• 1:04:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:47Speaker 01

  And more comfortable.

• 1:04:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:49Speaker 01

  So I think for that reason. I don't know if it would be more popular than the M3 because the marketing of the M3 and the market likes aggressive driving and drifting and stuff, but. If you saw one of these, you would know that that person is a true connoisseur.

• 1:05:02Matt Farah?

  I would fuck with this Alpina B3.

• 1:05:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:04Matt Farah?

  For sure.

• 1:05:05Speaker 01

  Looks very good.

• 1:05:06Matt Farah?

  Um.

• 1:05:07Speaker 01

  Good color.

• 1:05:08Matt Farah?

  Anti-silicon consciousness. Okay, that's cool. I'm about that. Let's see. Finally ready to go to a big boy watch. Budget of 10K. I love the heritage and whimsy of the silver Snoopy Speedmaster. Those are fun. Is that a safe place? Safe place to park that kind of money? If not, recommendations. Ah, man, this is, see. Okay.

• 1:05:36Matt Farah?

  If you want a Speedmaster, a Snoopy Speedmaster is a good place to park money. There are rare versions, they're always going to be more desirable than the regular Moon watches, which are much, much more common.

• 1:05:55Matt Farah?

  Like, I don't have a lot of other recommendations because watches are very personal. I mean, if you like Speedmasters, there's a bunch of different variants. If you're willing to buy one, they do have a little bit of early depreciation, so you can kind of save some money getting one secondhand, as long as it's like totally legit.

• 1:06:17Matt Farah?

  Rolex, still a great place to park money. But other brands are really coming up right now. A secondhand Grand Seiko is a great place to park money. Right now, like mid-tier brands, like Panerai and Breitling and stuff like that, secondhand, real cheap compared to their MSRP's. But it's such a personal thing, if you're gonna step up to a big boy watch, it's a five-figure watch, I can't tell you what you like. But if you like Speedmasters, I will tell you that the Snoopy's are great. And they're fun, they are whimsical, I do like a Snoopy. Okay.

• 1:06:57Matt Farah?

  Lane Meyer K12 says, "A few years ago, I bought a well-equipped, used, 2017 base 911 with PASM, Sport Chrono, and Sport Exhaust. Why don't motoring journalists highlight its value, especially in the used car market, over a 911T? The T is a base model with some options that few people will ever quote 'need,' like torque vectoring and thinner windows. The price difference is huge, the value proposition is praise. Why so little value for the Carrera?"

• 1:07:33Speaker 01

  Now, someone, I left this reply in, I know it's very often, but for context, they said, if you, Timmy, good commenter, replied, "If you go back to Motor Trend, Car and Driver, etc., from back in those days, the base Carrera was actually universally praised."

• 1:07:47Matt Farah?

  Do you remember that car?

• 1:07:48Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:07:49Matt Farah?

  The base Carrera with a manual in red is the car that I raced Mike Spinelli up the 33 for a drive on NBC Sports. He was in a Camaro 1LE.

• 1:07:59Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:07:59Matt Farah?

  And I was in that car, and I... I personally reviewed that fucking car.

• 1:08:05Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:08:05Matt Farah?

  And said it was awesome.

• 1:08:06Speaker 01

  There you go.

• 1:08:06Matt Farah?

  And as a matter of fact, I think I did a TST video with it also.

• 1:08:11Speaker 01

  There you go.

• 1:08:11Matt Farah?

  Don't come at me and say, "I didn't say that shit was dope." Cause I said that very fucking car was dope on television.

• 1:08:19Speaker 01

  On, and that means it's real. Uh, no, that's amazing. That's incredibly ironic. That's fantastic. Yeah.

• 1:08:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And, and by the way, in, eh, the T, why is the T better now? Because the diff does make a difference when you start to drive fast.

• 1:08:33Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:08:34Matt Farah?

  Maybe mo- maybe quote, "Most people can't feel a really good diff," but fucking I can. And a lot of good drivers can.

• 1:08:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:41Matt Farah?

  Uh, and, and money in, money out, the T is the more enthusiastic option and therefore the better buy.

• 1:08:51Matt Farah?

  But yeah. I praise that car, motherfucker. Ah! But respect, it is a good car. He's not wrong that it's not, that it's a good, it's a good car. It was a good car. Um, yeah. It's funny that they brought up that exact car. Cause I remember that very press car. Um, okay.

• 1:09:13Matt Farah?

  Let's see. Disillusioned in Detroit, uh, after the most recent street takeovers. At 2:00 AM, waking up my children, I'm having a hard time being positive about anything automotive. Uh, the impact cars have had on our society is not good and I know you guys know it. Well, it's goods and bads.

• 1:09:34Speaker 01

  Two blanket statements.

• 1:09:35Matt Farah?

  There's, there's goods and bads. Uh.

• 1:09:39Matt Farah?

  The question is, should I raise a child to be an automotive enthusiast when I know it could wreck them? That is a very weird question.

• 1:09:48Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:09:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like. First off, maybe you wait and see if the child shows interest in being an automotive enthusiast. And if they do, you nurture the positive aspects of it. And maybe if they don't show interest in being an automotive enthusiast, you don't force it on them. That's an option.

• 1:10:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, ultimately, you want to raise your child, and I say this as someone without kids, so I'm the perfect person to preach about this. Uh.

• 1:10:14Speaker 01

  To be a responsible person.

• 1:10:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:15Speaker 01

  Right, and almost like automotive enthusiasm is an interesting one because similar to firearms, like you can do damage if you use the hobby irresponsibly. You can hurt other people, you can hurt yourself. But I think ultimately it's about raising them to be a responsible driver and, you know, inform them why takeovers are stupid, dangerous, et cetera, et cetera. I mean, controlling youth is challenging, but like I was into skateboarding and drag racing when I was in high school. And there were ways to do that relatively safely and there are ways to do that shit recklessly and get in trouble, get arrested, or whatever. And just, I don't know, raise your kid to actually be responsible.

• 1:10:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but before there were street takeovers, there was street racing.

• 1:10:59Speaker 01

  There was?

• 1:10:59Matt Farah?

  And like, it's not like young idiots haven't always done dumb shit in cars. You can say, well, is it more dangerous to do donuts in an intersection? Or is it more dangerous to go 150 miles an hour through red lights and with cross traffic? Like, what's worse? Like, there's always gonna be people that are doing shitty things with cars. You should teach your child to be responsible.

• 1:11:24Speaker 01

  I would say that the simple answer would be, take the number of car enthusiasts that are aged 16 to 24 right now and the percentage of them that go to takeovers.

• 1:11:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:34Speaker 01

  There's plenty of people that are not doing that. So make sure your kid is one of the people that don't do that.

• 1:11:40Matt Farah?

  I don't really know anything about that next one.

• 1:11:43Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:11:45Matt Farah?

  Okay, let's see. Zach, Clapin Cheeks?

• 1:11:51Speaker 01

  Clapin Cheeks.

• 1:11:52Matt Farah?

  Clapin Cheeks, right. Bronco Raptors now hovering around 60K used, which is a lot of truck for the money. I live in Colorado and feel like it's good for the mountains. Would the Raptor be your first choice for a fun off-roading or camping car? I saw a story that Ford just knocked like 10K off the MSRP.

• 1:12:11Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:12:12Matt Farah?

  You don't hear that often about cutting prices on enthusiast vehicle like that. Maybe, maybe the Raptor, the Ranger Raptor...

• 1:12:20Matt Farah?

  You know, was really eating into a lot of it. I mean, the Bronco Raptor was very expensive.

• 1:12:25Speaker 01

  It was really, really expensive.

• 1:12:27Matt Farah?

  It was cool, but the price was a big yikes.

• 1:12:29Speaker 01

  It's also been out for two years now, right? Um, I would say short answer, no. I think for mountains, I think it's too wide. And you don't gain any interior space for that size. As I said, I think in the review and when I reviewed an H1 Hummer for Doug, like, the Raptor has the same, or the Braptor has the same footprint width-wise as an H1 Hummer. But you don't have the interior space of an H1 Hummer. Um, I mean, granted, H1 Hummer has a huge center console, but like, it's a small vehicle inside with this huge footprint. And in snow, you don't really want the super wide tires unless you're trying to float above the snow. I think there's so many rain trims of Raptor, or sorry, of Bronco that would be excellent for what you want to do with it, that I don't think the Raptor is the move.

• 1:13:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and if you really do want a Raptor, you can get a brand-new Ranger Raptor for that.

• 1:13:18Speaker 01

  True.

• 1:13:19Matt Farah?

  Which I actually think might serve that need a little better. Maybe.

• 1:13:23Speaker 01

  Maybe. Depends on if they, I mean, the enclosed thing is nice when it's snowing. You have to put a camper on the back, etc. Um, I just think that, I think the Braptor is great for, uh, California, open desert stuff. We've said this before. It's a Baja runner car. It's very wide for trails. So Colorado's probably a little bit tighter. I would just go with Sasquatch or any of the other ones that they offer.

• 1:13:45Matt Farah?

  Defender. Defender would be nice. I mean, I realize there's a reliability thing.

• 1:13:51Speaker 01

  There is.

• 1:13:51Matt Farah?

  But also Defender. Defenders are sweet.

• 1:13:53Speaker 01

  They're, when they're working. They're really nice. Um, I accidentally skipped this Nice Cam's one.

• 1:13:58Matt Farah?

  Okay, uh, oh, okay. My, uh, Nice Cam's, my brother's looking to replace his M235i with something he can daily, but higher performing for five or so track days a year. Leaning towards M2 competition. Yeah. Is there better value that makes more sense? Must be automatic and have backseat and be somewhat reliable.

• 1:14:20Speaker 01

  For 50 grand.

• 1:14:22Matt Farah?

  Automatic. Uh...

• 1:14:24Speaker 01

  Is there any decent 911 with PDK for 50?

• 1:14:28Matt Farah?

  Sure. I mean, you could have a 997 Porsche with PDK, 997.2. Carreras, those are the right options. That's a trackable a few times a year. Plenty of Caymans, Cayman S, oh, backseat, no, backseat, sorry.

• 1:14:44Speaker 01

  I also think that the M2's backseat, it has a pretty tall roof in the back, so it's more usable unless you just have a child seat for like a 911.

• 1:14:51Matt Farah?

  I mean, look, you could get a Camaro ZL1 with the 10-speed auto for that. And that's probably a thing.

• 1:15:00Speaker 01

  That's an exciting thing. I would actually, you should, you should take a stopover at SS1LE before you go to ZL1. If you're coming from M235 and new to tracking.

• 1:15:10Matt Farah?

  You could also get a Mustang Mach 1 with that same 10-speed.

• 1:15:14Speaker 01

  That is such a good car.

• 1:15:15Matt Farah?

  Real good time.

• 1:15:16Speaker 01

  That's such a good car.

• 1:15:19Matt Farah?

  There's a few options there, yeah. But also, the M2 Competition is a lovely car.

• 1:15:24Speaker 01

  That would be a better track car than the Mach 1. The Mach 1's a better overall car, I think, yeah. But good, good options.

• 1:15:30Matt Farah?

  Uh, okay. Melissa says, "I recently had my '07 Jeep Liberty serviced and my mechanic noted that while they're still in good shape, my tires are date-coded June 2019, even though I purchased them new from a reputable shop in July 2021. After some research, it seems this isn't all that uncommon. I know you two have talked about the five-year rule for tires. Is that a hard and fast rule for a commuter car in Portland, Oregon?" That is a very good question. And you do not need to worry. Your tires are probably fine.

• 1:16:05Matt Farah?

  The five-year rule, it really starts to come into play when you're talking about like sticky, high-performance tires, where the tackiness will really decline over time. For a Jeep Liberty, I think you could probably, if the tread is in good shape and your mechanic is looking at them and inspecting them for cracks, I think you could stretch that out for another year or two, or maybe even three, as long as you keep an eye on them and are vigilant about them. Obviously, you're vigilant about them, so you're not gonna, you're not gonna all of a sudden go, "Oh, it's been 10 years." You're gonna, you're now going to check them, which is good.

• 1:16:41Speaker 01

  It's also drier and the UV index is much higher here, like, you know, it cook- Southern California cooks paint, cooks everything. I bet we dry out tires at a higher rate than someone up in the Pacific Northwest.

• 1:16:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Also, you're right. It is totally common for a manufacturer to ship a tire to a retailer or a transfer warehouse where it then sits on a shelf for a year or two. And that's, that's totally a thing that happens. It drives me fucking nuts when it's like a sticky ass R compound tire and that happens. Usually for a client of mine, not for me personally. And I've actually returned tires. Just, they won't let you return them for that. That's not like, you can't be like, "I want one with a newer one."

• 1:17:26Speaker 01

  I want the fresher milk.

• 1:17:28Matt Farah?

  But I've just returned them for another, been like, "Doesn't fit," and then just ordered another one and see if-

• 1:17:33Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:17:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:34Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:17:34Matt Farah?

  And I've gotten different tires.

• 1:17:35Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:17:36Matt Farah?

  It's worked some, half the time it works. But Melissa, I wouldn't worry. You can drive on your tires. The fact that you're checking and you know it's fine. It's fucking annoying to buy a brand new tire that's two years old now.

• 1:17:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:49Matt Farah?

  And it's totally common. It sucks. Yeah. Rage against the touchscreen. Pretty good.

• 1:17:55Speaker 01

  Pretty good.

• 1:17:55Matt Farah?

  7.5 out of 10.

• 1:17:57Speaker 01

  Ooh, the next one's good, too.

• 1:17:58Matt Farah?

  Are the final years of the R35 GT-R overpriced? Yes! Yes! The market for non-Nismo versions seems nuts, especially T-spec or Skyline Edition in Bayside Blue. I'm interested in a 2020 or newer, but the asking price is in line with a 991.2 Turbo S. Honestly, production numbers. There's just selling so few of them. And it's the last, it's the last, it's the last. They're, they're just trying to get theirs while they can. I wouldn't fucking pay that. No way.

• 1:18:35Speaker 01

  I agree. I think, I think it'll be hard to keep that value.

• 1:18:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:39Speaker 01

  And I mean, sure, a new, a new 99 or Turbo S is- Going to depreciate a little bit also, but it's, I think it's a superior car in pretty much every way, so I would rather buy one of those.

• 1:18:50Matt Farah?

  And here's the other problem, I bet you those, those limited edition new versions, I bet 80% of them get parked with delivery miles. And so if you buy one and you, you want to drive it, well now yours is the shitty one, because all these other ones have delivery miles.

• 1:19:05Speaker 01

  Right, because so many people are just collecting and waiting to flip. Yeah, that's a good point. I mean, the Bayside, I drove one that was Bayside, it looked amazing, but I remember driving it and going, for the money they're charging, this is basically the same car as some of the previous years. Such, such tiny changes.

• 1:19:19Matt Farah?

  And they're such big cars with such small interiors. I, I just don't like driving them.

• 1:19:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:26Matt Farah?

  I don't, if you, if you love them, like, I, I get it. I do, I understand why people like them, but god, do I fucking think they stink.

• 1:19:34Speaker 01

  I think, I think you have to be a huge Nissan fan, or really into modifying them, because they hold up to mod really well. But even then, so does a Turbo S, it's a better car to live with, the greenhouse is better, I mean, it's, I think, a superior vehicle in every way.

• 1:19:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Dude, and if you've got 991.2 Turbo S money, that's like, high, you know, that's like 170 to, 150 to 200,000 dollars. That's a bunch of money to play with, you're talking about legitimately great cars, not just the Turbo S. You, you can buy a dozen legitimately great cars. Grant, you know, yeah. Silence of the Lambo.

• 1:20:12Speaker 01

  I like that one.

• 1:20:14Matt Farah?

  Pretty good. What are signs of maturing as a car enthusiast?

• 1:20:18Speaker 01

  What are signs of maturing as a car enthusiast?

• 1:20:21Matt Farah?

  That's funny, when I started, I can recall, I, I can describe my own personal maturing into and then out of burble tune.

• 1:20:36Speaker 01

  Did you have burble tune?

• 1:20:37Matt Farah?

  When, no, when the

• 1:20:38Speaker 01

  I mean, the vet was loud.

• 1:20:39Matt Farah?

  My vet was really loud. My vet didn't have burble tune. It just had no

• 1:20:42Speaker 01

  Didn't need it, yeah.

• 1:20:44Matt Farah?

  When the F-type came out. And went out, factory burble tune?

• 1:20:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:49Matt Farah?

  Loved it. It was the greatest. 10 years later, 2024, I will roll my eyes and go, oh, boy. When someone goes by with a burble tune.

• 1:21:01Speaker 01

  Well, it became more common, which was annoying. It kind of, it became less special because you could just add the tune to any BMW. I mean, there's, you can literally get something called a gunshot tune for like your, your B58, which is dumb. I think we had a great commenter once that said it. They were like, I had a gunshot tune and now I'm 29 and I think it's the dumbest shit in the world. Like, that is a clear sign you're maturing as an old dude.

• 1:21:22Matt Farah?

  Leaving the interior and/or air conditioning in your cars, not doing like interior delete or AC delete.

• 1:21:28Speaker 01

  Saving weight or something like that.

• 1:21:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Buying the, the shopping for the car that you, that you actually need and not your, not, not race car for the street.

• 1:21:41Speaker 01

  I think not having a race car for the street in general, like your, your stance, your height, basically all these things that make you compromise your driving 99% of the time. When you get rid of that, that's a big sign of it. And probably not doing dumb shit like going to takeovers or doing burnouts or whatever.

• 1:21:57Matt Farah?

  When you realize it makes you look like a huge loser if you put your Instagram handle on the side of your car.

• 1:22:02Speaker 01

  That is a weird thing. I don't know if I've ever followed anybody from doing that.

• 1:22:07Matt Farah?

  You know what it's good for?

• 1:22:08Speaker 01

  I don't like, it doesn't bother me. I just go, I don't know. It's like a weird rolling billboard, but

• 1:22:12Matt Farah?

  So lame.

• 1:22:13Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 1:22:13Matt Farah?

  So lame. Unshitboxed, do hardtop convertibles generally have a more luxurious or quiet driving experience? And are they on par with the equivalent coupe? Good answer and is not, eh, no, not universal answer.

• 1:22:29Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:22:29Matt Farah?

  Heavily depends on the hardtop, heavily depends on the soft top. Like, some retractable hardtops are really good.

• 1:22:40Speaker 01

  Miata RF is not, for example. That's a very loud car, no matter what.

• 1:22:44Matt Farah?

  McLarens retractable hardtops, the Ferraris, even GM with the C8 Corvette, those are very good. The mid-engine ones, but like, the old BMW, like, 4-series ones, the Volkswagen...

• 1:22:59Speaker 01

  The EOS?

• 1:22:59Matt Farah?

  The EOS, like, some of those 4-seater retractable hardtops are not so good.

• 1:23:04Speaker 01

  I think the tech has changed. I also wonder if there's an advantage where the mid-engine car has a shorter roof to deploy. The distance is smaller. So, there's just less, the lever's smaller, there's less wiggle room, literally. Maybe that helps the noise.

• 1:23:17Matt Farah?

  And some of the high-end soft tops are amazingly refined. What did we just drive that had a great?

• 1:23:23Speaker 01

  Well, not 911s have great. They have like the 3-panel or whatever it is?

• 1:23:26Matt Farah?

  Oh, the 911, we had the 911 T convertible, and then I drove the Aston Vantage Roadster, which has like 7 layers, and was actually quieter inside than the coupe. Because it had smaller air volume, because it wasn't a hatchback, and the coupe had like a carbon roof or whatever, and this was just all like putting up a hoodie.

• 1:23:47Speaker 01

  That's amazing. I think material science has advanced now where we're in that situation, thankfully, but for a long time, coupes were much quieter.

• 1:23:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah. My Spider's top has 1 layer, and it's a little louder.

• 1:24:01Speaker 01

  It's a UV hoodie.

• 1:24:03Matt Farah?

  Uh, okay, I hate BRZs. Looking for a plus 1 for my BRZ. Okay, new daily driver, budget of $55,000. I want a new, the new car would be mostly daily-driven, occasional autocross and canyon driving. Right now, the frontrunner is a manual F80 M3 for the same price. There are any other super sedans in that price range other than the F80. Okay, 55 grand for a daily driver, occasional autocross and canyon drives. Okay, well, that's, I mean, that's a, that's pretty good. Good choice, F80 M3.

• 1:24:39Speaker 01

  You could also, like, we spoke about before, you could go M2 Comp or M2, or Camaro SS1LE or ZL1.

• 1:24:46Matt Farah?

  Yup.

• 1:24:47Speaker 01

  All of those same things.

• 1:24:48Matt Farah?

  Those same Mustang, the Mach 1, for sure. That's a great, sweet spot.

• 1:24:54Speaker 01

  Can you get GT350s for 55 now?

• 1:24:56Matt Farah?

  Yup. Yep.

• 1:24:58Speaker 01

  That's so fun.

• 1:25:00Matt Farah?

  GT350s, absolutely. You could get, um...

• 1:25:06Matt Farah?

  Okay, uh, use C63s also.

• 1:25:10Speaker 01

  Oh, and those have a better 8-speed.

• 1:25:11Matt Farah?

  With the V8.

• 1:25:12Speaker 01

  So that would be good.

• 1:25:13Matt Farah?

  Those would be a good time.

• 1:25:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, that is a good time.

• 1:25:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah, V8 C63 would be a ru... would be a real nice time there, Clark.

• 1:25:19Speaker 01

  You have a lot of good options. It just depends on what engine note you want and how much space you need, really.

• 1:25:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. Lot of options. Depreciated Jermans are right there. Uh, okay.

• 1:25:33Speaker 01

  Cat Farah, that's a good name.

• 1:25:35Matt Farah?

  Cat Farah's pretty good.

• 1:25:36Speaker 01

  That's a great name.

• 1:25:36Matt Farah?

  Cat Farah's pretty good. I think I'm being haunted by 2010's era's Acura TSX Sport Wagons.

• 1:25:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:43Matt Farah?

  I don't know why this is happening to me, because Acura only sold like 11,000 of these things, but I swear to God, I see them two to three times a week. Are there any relatively rare cars you see often that stick out to you? I hate to tell you, you probably see the same three TSXs over and over. Um, there's a, I mean, we live in LA, so the weird cars last longer here. I don't know about see over and over. Um, there's, uh, more Chrysler TC by Maseratis here than I'm normally seeing.

• 1:26:13Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 1:26:14Matt Farah?

  I see a lot of G-Wagon convertibles in LA, more than, more than you normally would.

• 1:26:19Speaker 01

  I saw two Pontiac Vibes white parked next to each other the other day, and I went, which is a Toyota Matrix underneath.

• 1:26:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:25Speaker 01

  And that, I don't see very often, and that was very strange, and that was very Radwood surprising.

• 1:26:30Matt Farah?

  Um, I'm starting to see, uh, Fisker Oceans being driven by Ubers.

• 1:26:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, someone sent us a message. They were like, "I'm seeing a lot of these in New York. Do you know, do you know why?"

• 1:26:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:40Speaker 01

  I do not know why.

• 1:26:41Matt Farah?

  Probably because some fucking company dumped them, bought them up for cheap, and is like leasing them for like 150 bucks a week or something to Uber drivers.

• 1:26:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, they probably bought them for like $4,000. Yeah.

• 1:26:52Matt Farah?

  And they're just, and, and a lot of Uber drivers just rent their Uber car.

• 1:26:56Speaker 01

  Imagine if you're Uber bricks, because it's the Fisker Ocean, and you're just stuck in the middle of the highway.

• 1:27:00Matt Farah?

  Relying on that for a work vehicle. Yikes.

• 1:27:03Speaker 01

  No, thank you.

• 1:27:04Matt Farah?

  Joe says, uh, "For 30K, would you rather own a GT500 or a Z06?"

• 1:27:10Speaker 01

  Z06.

• 1:27:11Matt Farah?

  Uh, yeah, 30K doesn't get you much in GT500 land, unfortunately.

• 1:27:16Speaker 01

  Well, all the generations before the most recent are pretty bad, in my opinion, and that's what you're getting.

• 1:27:21Matt Farah?

  You could convince me the 2011. 2011 is the aluminum block with the shorter gears. It's one year only.

• 1:27:30Matt Farah?

  That's the best year.

• 1:27:32Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, but it still had narrower tires. I didn't, I mean, the aluminum block was very helpful.

• 1:27:37Matt Farah?

  But it had 550 horsepower, not 650, and it had shorter gears. So the-

• 1:27:42Speaker 01

  Did we drive? We never drove this one, did we?

• 1:27:43Matt Farah?

  That's the one I took on Bull Run.

• 1:27:44Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 1:27:45Matt Farah?

  And ultimately, it, it, I think it was the best, most balanced of that. Like, it would spin the tires.

• 1:27:53Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:27:53Matt Farah?

  But it, it, it had enough brakes.

• 1:27:56Speaker 01

  That's, well, because it weighed less.

• 1:27:58Matt Farah?

  And it didn't have that stupid long gearing. It had the shorter gearing.

• 1:28:00Speaker 01

  That is a big plus.

• 1:28:01Matt Farah?

  It was nice. But it had the aluminum blocks, so it was lighter at the front end. It's basically a Ford, Ford GT motor in there.

• 1:28:06Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 1:28:07Matt Farah?

  That's the one, but, but those are not $30,000. $30,000 is like shitty 07s.

• 1:28:13Speaker 01

  Well, it's steel iron, it's the iron block, narrow tire, yeah. And then I would go Z06 because it handles better. Even the supercharged one that had breathing issues, you could probably solve that.

• 1:28:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Um, okay. What do you think? One more and then we, uh, we draw this program?

• 1:28:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, we're at hour 20.

• 1:28:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:31Matt Farah?

  Most fun with fire. Maybe not, that's describing our city today. Uh, I recently came into a $100 E46 convertible. Okay. Other than a manual swap, what mods would you do to a $100 E46? The car is mechanically fine, the soft top works, and it's completely stock. I repaired it after the purchase myself.

• 1:28:56Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:28:57Matt Farah?

  I mean, I wouldn't do much. A night, a running, driving, automatic convertible E46 for a hundred bucks? I don't know, I think your money is worth. That's it. You got it, that's called a daily. You have a daily.

• 1:29:11Speaker 01

  You could do a stereo, because it's, like, I wouldn't do performance mods because it's a convertible.

• 1:29:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:16Speaker 01

  So who cares? I mean, you could do an intake if you like the sound of it, but I would just do a stereo and call it a win. If the top works for a hundred dollars, I am shocked.

• 1:29:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I was expecting to hear, to read that the top is not working.

• 1:29:28Speaker 01

  Or I guess maybe this person fixed it, but either way, like, you're, you're handy and it's just, you, you have a sweet, cheap daily.

• 1:29:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I might not even swap the trans. I might just, you know, take my gift horse and go home.

• 1:29:41Speaker 01

  Our favorite BMW collector, well, you know, Armin, he bought a, he sold his E36 and then two weeks later bought a new.

• 1:29:49Matt Farah?

  I know, I shipped it to him. He goes, can you give me, can you give me a quote from this? And I'm like, Armin, dude. You gotta stop, buddy.

• 1:29:57Speaker 01

  I know, he can't.

• 1:29:59Matt Farah?

  Oh, man. Um, okay, one more. This is, this is an important one. We'll end on this. Piggly Wiggly Deluxe. I was discussing Leno's Law with a friend and he told me if it passes, you'll be required to have classic car insurance for the newly smog exempted cars. But then I heard Kamisa say on a podcast that there's no such thing as classic car insurance. Kamisa's sponsored by Hagerty.

• 1:30:26Matt Farah?

  Jason.

• 1:30:27Speaker 01

  Or was it a semantics issue where he?

• 1:30:30Matt Farah?

  If Jason wanted to be incredibly pedantic about this.

• 1:30:34Speaker 01

  Well, even if he does, this is what Hagerty's website calls their own insurance. So I don't know. We'd have to listen to the show, maybe before we comment and draw his ire and he shows up with a 30-page dossier of fighting.

• 1:30:47Matt Farah?

  He's gonna call me again at 4 o'clock in the morning. Cause, but he, he has a show for a company called Hagerty and that is the thing.

• 1:30:54Speaker 01

  Classic car insurance.

• 1:30:56Matt Farah?

  That they do. So classic car insurance is definitely a thing. To answer, uh, Piggly Wiggly Deluxe's question, is there such a thing as classic car insurance? Is, and if so, what is it? It's basically, the difference is it's agreed value insurance, right? If you go buy a new Ford F-150 and you call up Progressive and you say, I've bought a new 2025 Ford F-150, here's the VIN number. They give you a quote, right? If you then get into a crash. You don't decide what the insurance company has decided what your car is worth. Because all, most all brand new cars are depreciating assets.

• 1:31:38Matt Farah?

  And so the insurance company will decide what your car has depreciated to at the literal point of impact. It's almost certainly going to be far less than the MSRP and definitely far less than what you owe on your loan, okay? Classic car insurance. Hello Hagerty, I have just bought a 1985 Lamborghini Countach 5000QV. I would like to insure it for $700,000. And they go, okay. And then they tell you what the premium is based on that price. And then if the car burns to the ground, or gets totaled, or gets stolen, or whatever, you get paid the full amount that you have declared and they have agreed that your car's

• 1:32:23Matt Farah?

  value is. Because of that, they won't allow you to insure your daily driver that way because it's not an appreciating or at least stable asset. And there's also a lot of other requirements to get like, for instance, Hagerty won't insure a car that isn't kept in a secured garage. You can't get collector's insurance for a car that's parked on the street. Things like that. So there is diff- there's differences.

• 1:32:50Speaker 01

  There's also, I'm reading, reading this in real time. So in March, Car and Driver reported that the bill had been updated that removed the requirement for insurance. So the proposed bill originally required the eligible collector cars to be insured, but that requirement has since been removed. That was in March of 2025.

• 1:33:12Matt Farah?

  It shouldn't be required because the law shouldn't just apply to collectible cars. The whole point is that it's, it should be broadly politically popular because it's not just giving breaks to, to rich people on their collector cars. There are other people who have to rely on their old cars for everyday transportation as well. And those people shouldn't be held back from this because of the smog.

• 1:33:38Speaker 01

  Well, they would, I mean, they would be required to have insurance if you're driving the thing around, but they're not-

• 1:33:42Matt Farah?

  Right, right, but not collector's insurance. Because you're not going to get collector's insurance on your just, your gardening truck.

• 1:33:47Speaker 01

  Well, and especially if it's your only vehicle. I can't get collector's insurance because I only have one car.

• 1:33:51Matt Farah?

  Right, yeah. Thanks, everybody. Come, come join us tomorrow. We will, we're gonna talk about immigrants and, and why they're actually our neighbors and not invading force in Los Angeles. And, um, love ya, stay safe. Welcome back. Bye.