Giggling about intuition, drag queens, and getting fired

Hannah and Paige spill the behind the scenes of hosting the SAG red carpet and filming a Hulu special. subscribe to our newsletter!

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• 0:00Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, remember when I told you how excited I was about Lululemon dropping their fall collection on September 8? Well, the collection is finally here and I just got my hands on a few pieces and let's just say these will be in my rotation on repeat. I got the Groove Yoga Bra and the High Rise Matching Short. They're so buttery soft. They have laser cut pocket openings for optional and removable cups, which I love that because sometimes I don't want to have a bra insert when I'm working out, but sometimes I do. Performance never compromises style at Lululemon. I love their vintage-inspired styles and everything comes in such an assortment of colors. So if you don't want to stick to black, which is my traditional go-to, you can explore other colors. Like, I love a burgundy workout set. New styles from Lululemon's fall collection are here.

• 0:45Paige DeSorbo?

  Popular colors go fast, so be on the lookout for those drops. And if something doesn't work out for you, free returns always. That's lululemon.com, lululemon.com.

• 0:55Hannah Berner?

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• 1:38Hannah Berner?

  I was thinking about how women have so many little things we have to do when we're getting home that you have to be aware of.

• 1:45Paige DeSorbo?

  Like, so many people have my location.

• 1:47Hannah Berner?

  And you have to share your ETA, you have to check the route, you have to text everyone I'm home.

• 1:51Paige DeSorbo?

  And if your friend, like, doesn't text you, "Oh, you got home," you're calling the FBI.

• 1:56Hannah Berner?

  Yep, and we joke about it because it's so normal to us, but you're constantly paying attention. And even when you're exhausted and just want to get home, your brain still has to be on. You're like, is this guy going the right route? Am I in the right place? Who's around me? What's happening?

• 2:09Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, there's truly no clocking out of your safety.

• 2:12Hannah Berner?

  And that's why riding in a Waymo feels different. It's an autonomous ride with an empty driver's seat. So, once you get in, you have this private space that's actually just yours.

• 2:20Paige DeSorbo?

  And you know, I love alone time, and I truly feel like it's such a luxury in a Waymo.

• 2:25Hannah Berner?

  Especially after being social. Like, I love everyone, but like...

• 2:28Paige DeSorbo?

  Please, nobody speak to me.

• 2:29Hannah Berner?

  Like, give me 20 minutes. I want music, the right temperature. There's no compromising. And you can customize the ride, put on your own music, answer texts you ignored all night, stare out the window. You actually have a minute where you're not thinking about everyone else.

• 2:43Paige DeSorbo?

  And that's the thing. It's not even necessarily about doing something. Sometimes it's just, you want to sit there and not speak.

• 2:49Hannah Berner?

  And put your guard down for a second and feel safe.

• 2:53Paige DeSorbo?

  Which truly, women deserve.

• 2:55Hannah Berner?

  We deserve to disassociate safely for 20 minutes.

• 2:58Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, I mean, put that on a t-shirt, for real.

• 3:01Hannah Berner?

  And obviously, safety is a huge part of why that feeling matters. Knowing Waymo's safer, there's something refreshing in having that space where you can just be yourself and let Waymo handle the driving.

• 3:10Paige DeSorbo?

  And we spend enough of our lives being on.

• 3:13Hannah Berner?

  Exactly.

• 3:14Paige DeSorbo?

  We don't need to be on in the car.

• 3:16Hannah Berner?

  Getting around shouldn't require so much mental energy. And if this sounds like your ideal way to get around too, download the Waymo app and use code GIGLY to get 20% off your next two rides. You can check out the full terms in the app.

• 3:28Paige DeSorbo?

  We love a discount.

• 3:29Hannah Berner?

  And if Waymo isn't in your city yet, head to waymo.com/gigly to sign up and help bring Waymo to you.

• 3:37Paige DeSorbo?

  Sup, Gigglers?

• 3:38Speaker 03

  Jerry, fix the wifi.

• 3:40Hannah Berner?

  Manifest that shit.

• 3:42Speaker 03

  We can't be managed.

• 3:47Speaker 03

  I mean, the day just got away from me.

• 3:50Hannah Berner?

  My...

• 3:54Hannah Berner?

  My, my, my...

• 3:57Paige DeSorbo?

  Yep.

• 3:59Paige DeSorbo?

  Yep. No, and that's actually exactly what I was thinking. You took the words right out of my mouth, Hannah.

• 4:06Hannah Berner?

  You guys, we have nothing left.

• 4:07Paige DeSorbo?

  I have nothing.

• 4:08Hannah Berner?

  This is also when you make us record. No one's made us record, actually. We made ourselves.

• 4:15Paige DeSorbo?

  No. You made us record this morning. I, okay.

• 4:20Paige DeSorbo?

  It's just like one of those days.

• 4:22Hannah Berner?

  You go.

• 4:22Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm gonna start crying. It's just like, no, not like seriously.

• 4:27Hannah Berner?

  I'm gonna start crying.

• 4:29Paige DeSorbo?

  I could.

• 4:30Hannah Berner?

  Wait, I am gonna get my period in about four days. If any gigawatts are on the same cycle, let me know. Anyway, continue.

• 4:35Paige DeSorbo?

  That's funny, because I just ended mine. I have a lot to say. I can't even compose my thoughts.

• 4:39Hannah Berner?

  Can I just say something?

• 4:40Paige DeSorbo?

  Sure.

• 4:41Hannah Berner?

  Did you wear a butt pad?

• 4:47Hannah Berner?

  The Academy needs to know.

• 4:48Paige DeSorbo?

  No, this is why you need your girlfriends, because I'm not kidding. Like, the hours leading up to recording this pod, and I'm talking about like last night and this morning, there were so many things that I could have burnt down the entire city for. And it's really like, oh, I actually just needed to like talk to my best friend. Like, oh my god.

• 5:08Hannah Berner?

  Well, okay, this is what's fucked up. You guys, because we care about the pod too much, we haven't had a full talk about what went down this weekend. Like, we've been texting nonstop, but like, I didn't wanna spill anything.

• 5:22Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm gonna cry because I haven't been able to vent about anything.

• 5:25Hannah Berner?

  You're so pent up right now.

• 5:27Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm so pent up. And it's like, I've talked to my mom. I've talked to a man in my life. Like, no, what I really needed was I needed to talk to my best friend because she's actually the only one that gets me.

• 5:36Hannah Berner?

  I apologize to you because, well, of course, I shot my special on Saturday and then Paige was running Netflix on Sunday. So, we're both, you know, on edge.

• 5:49Paige DeSorbo?

  You know when I get in those moods where I'm like, I'm obsessed with myself. I love myself. I'm in one of those moods where I'm like so annoyed by myself. I'm like, enough with you.

• 5:58Hannah Berner?

  Why? Oh, because you've like been doing so much?

• 6:01Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm just like, enough with your nonsense to my own self. Here's a funny, here's a funny story, though. So, Saturday night, Hannah records her special. And so like I text her earlier. We're on two different time zones. So I text her like earlier in that day, like, you're gonna crush it. Like, your outfit's so good. So it's like half the battle. Like, you're fine. Now, I leave. I go, I get a massage.

• 6:27Paige DeSorbo?

  Awesome. I'm not thinking about anything except me and my fucking massage girl. Okay, she got in there. Sunday morning, I wake up, I'm like getting ready, I'm doing my thing. I get a text from Hannah, "You're gonna crush it tonight, your outfit's so good, like, don't worry about it, like, you're good." I get out of doing the red carpet. I have a text from Hannah saying, "I could only watch the beginning of it because I had to go get a massage." And I felt so bad that I'm getting a massage while you're like, probably wanting to kill yourself. I text Hannah back and I go, "That's so funny because I got a massage." When you were doing your thing where you probably wanted to kill yourself and I thought nothing of it.

• 7:10Hannah Berner?

  I literally like, was nervous to tell you that I wasn't able to watch the majority of it because I was getting a massage, which is so fucking selfish of me. And you literally go, "What do you think I was doing while you were working, babe?"

• 7:22Paige DeSorbo?

  And this is why we're friends.

• 7:24Hannah Berner?

  I was all, I had to perform and you'd be really proud of me. My stylist was like, gave me these shoes that are like five inch heels. And she's like, "These are gorgeous." So I put them on and I'm a diva in the opposite way where I'm always like, "This isn't gonna be comfortable." Like, I have to, I have moves where I'm grinding, I'm jumping, I'm doing splits on the dick.

• 7:46Paige DeSorbo?

  Mind you, I wore six and a half inch platforms. I said, "Do we have sixers?" I'd really love to be tall.

• 7:52Hannah Berner?

  You go, "Can we go higher?"

• 7:55Hannah Berner?

  Our favorite photographer, Lucio, came, oh my god, we tortured this man.

• 7:59Paige DeSorbo?

  No, we tortured Lucio.

• 8:01Hannah Berner?

  No, I feel so bad for Lucio. So Lucio was loving his life in Milan. This is so fancy of Lucio. In Milan, having pasta, whatever people do in Milan. Gets a call from Paige's team, "Can you fly to LA?" Which is like 72 hours. I, I'm not a mathematician, but it's long. Shoots you. Next day, flies to Toronto, shoots my special.

• 8:26Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, wait, wait, wait. Oh yeah, you're telling it right.

• 8:32Hannah Berner?

  You go, "And another thing." Never mind.

• 8:37Hannah Berner?

  And you know what? Yes.

• 8:38Paige DeSorbo?

  Fly to LA, fly to LA, shoot me for L, yes.

• 8:41Hannah Berner?

  So, yeah, then flies to me and then he looks at me.

• 8:43Paige DeSorbo?

  Then flies to Toronto.

• 8:44Hannah Berner?

  And I go, we were like so in it, and then I look at him and I go, "Are you doing SAG? I mean, sorry, Actor Awards?" And he was like, "Yeah." And I'm like, "Oh my god." And he's like, "I can't, I just, I have to get on a red eye." So anyway, we're flying this Italian boy back and forth, back and forth. At the end of my special, he just starts laughing. And I'm like, "What are you laughing about besides..." I mean, this isn't the comedy part, why are you laughing?

• 9:11Hannah Berner?

  And he's like, "You and Paige are so different." He's like, "Do you realize I had to corner you and beg you to take photos of you? You hired me to take photos of you. You're running away from me, I can't get you down. We take one photo, you, you, you get distracted, you're talking to someone." Where Paige, I'll be like, "Hey Paige, we took 700 photos." And you're like, "What's a little more?"

• 9:33Hannah Berner?

  They're like, "Paige, you have a gig to do." And she's like, "But did we get it?" And he's like, "We got it 400 times." And she's like, "I don't think so."

• 9:39Paige DeSorbo?

  My new thing is, set up a photo shoot for me.

• 9:43Hannah Berner?

  You were bringing your green screen around.

• 9:45Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm bringing...

• 9:48Hannah Berner?

  You go, "Now we're in Paris, now we're in Tokyo."

• 9:55Paige DeSorbo?

  Remember when Aubrey O'Day was posting all those Instagrams? She made it look like she was at the beach. That's me and Lucio. I'm like, I'm like, "Let's envision, this is a Tiffany campaign. What are we doing?" Like, we get into...

• 10:09Hannah Berner?

  When I tell you, Lucio was like, "Can we shoot now?" And I'm like, "No, I'm getting ready." And then we're like about to go on, and I'm like, "I have to go on." And then I'm like, "Okay, I have to rest for my next show." Like, I was like, "Lucio, I don't have time." And he's like, "You hired me!"

• 10:21Paige DeSorbo?

  No, the morning of Actor Awards, I, my assistant had to get like this...

• 10:28Hannah Berner?

  Bonus check on Josephine.

• 10:28Paige DeSorbo?

  Get a literal trapeze. I don't even know, she had to get like all these things for him to set up his photo shoot thing because he was on a flight from Canada.

• 10:37Hannah Berner?

  I'm obsessed. But yeah, so you're...

• 10:39Paige DeSorbo?

  Anyway.

• 10:41Hannah Berner?

  So I put on the five inch heels and I told my stylist, I cannot perform my Hulu special in these. Like, I'm gonna look awkward. I have to feel like myself.

• 10:50Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 10:51Hannah Berner?

  What you're gonna do? I have so much to say. And you have so much to say. Anyway, just, they'll say it. So, we get there and we're putting on the outfit and I'm like, you know what? I had like your voice in my head and I was like, wear the fucking high heels Hannah. It looks so much better. Just do it.

• 11:10Hannah Berner?

  But, wearing five inch heels for three shows, like, your lower back gives out.

• 11:15Paige DeSorbo?

  It's a lot.

• 11:15Hannah Berner?

  So, I was flying back on Sunday and I found this guy who would come to my apartment. It was like sketchy, like through like-

• 11:23Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, so did you wear them?

• 11:25Hannah Berner?

  Yeah babe, I wore them. I wore-

• 11:27Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm gonna cry.

• 11:28Hannah Berner?

  No, I know. And she brought, she just brought them like just in case and I was like, huh. The comedy gods will reward you.

• 11:35Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm so proud of you.

• 11:38Hannah Berner?

  Thank you.

• 11:39Paige DeSorbo?

  It's gonna make all the difference.

• 11:41Hannah Berner?

  No, it will. Like, and I would have never done it if it wasn't for you, so, and my nana. So, thank you to you and my nana.

• 11:46Paige DeSorbo?

  You're welcome.

• 11:47Hannah Berner?

  But, the guy was like, great, I'm free tonight, cuz I'm like, I'm actually like having a spasm. I've been flying too much. And he was like, great, 7pm. I said, perfect. Going through my day and then I re- I turn on Netflix and it says, 7pm start. And I'm like, okay, Paige will start at 6. And I'm like, nope. Paige is starting at 7. And I'm like, ah, she's gonna kill me. She's gonna kill me.

• 12:10Paige DeSorbo?

  Why the hell would I care?

• 12:14Hannah Berner?

  Well, but then I'm also getting a massage thinking, my poor baby is trying to remember facts. She's trying to-

• 12:21Paige DeSorbo?

  It's so hard to remember facts.

• 12:23Hannah Berner?

  She's trying to pretend she wants to listen. She's, she's, she's having to stand in her little dress with her butt pad. Like, and I just felt, we're normally do stuff together, so it just felt uneven. But knowing that you-

• 12:36Paige DeSorbo?

  It felt uneven and also even with my co-host, I didn't realize that I wasn't standing with him. Like, I was standing on my own. First, I just wanna report, I didn't wear the butt pad. I put it on.

• 12:49Hannah Berner?

  False advertising.

• 12:50Paige DeSorbo?

  I didn't even put it on with my dress because when I put it on-

• 12:56Paige DeSorbo?

  I actually think you would look phenomenal in it because you already have a good butt. It was almost like, it almost made my hips look, it didn't look good, is what I'll say. Like, it didn't look good.

• 13:08Hannah Berner?

  If I did it, I feel like I would look really camp, like, like I would look Kim K.

• 13:13Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, you would be like giving like Julia Fox, like.

• 13:17Hannah Berner?

  You should have worn it and just not said anything.

• 13:21Paige DeSorbo?

  It looked insane. I didn't even try it on with my dress because it looked so nuts.

• 13:27Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 13:28Paige DeSorbo?

  So anyway, I forgot everything I was gonna say.

• 13:31Hannah Berner?

  We have nothing to say.

• 13:33Paige DeSorbo?

  We had really intense weekends. I just wanna say, I I was nervous, but I wasn't as nervous as I thought I was going to be. Like, I took a, I obviously took a beta blocker, but in my head, I was like, oh, am I gonna have to take another one? Because, yes, I'm live for an hour, but I was standing there for two hours prior. Like, there are, because the red carpet is so many hours long.

• 13:59Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 14:00Paige DeSorbo?

  It would be impossible to go live for three hours because it's, there's such a lull. Like, you don't know when time, when people are showing up.

• 14:06Hannah Berner?

  And you also don't wanna OD on beta blockers.

• 14:09Paige DeSorbo?

  Right, I don't wanna like pass out. But I wasn't, none of my typical anxiety things that happened to me, happened. So I'm like, so, I was so proud of myself for that. I was like, wow, it took me a full fucking year to reset my nervous system from just like absolute bullshit over the past few years. So I was very happy with that. I would like,

• 14:38Paige DeSorbo?

  at that point, I was like, I don't even care how I do because just the fact that I'm not getting nervous and feeling like I'm going to faint is a win in itself.

• 14:46Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, yes, it's huge.

• 14:49Paige DeSorbo?

  So much was just like happening. Also, Daphne launched today, like our spring collection launched today. And it is so, it's just so hard to run a business.

• 14:58Hannah Berner?

  You have so much going on.

• 15:00Paige DeSorbo?

  No, and I think people like. I I don't like I don't have I never talk about the running of Daphne on Giggly Squad because it truly is like running a business. Did you see that article that Gen Z is getting fired at an alarming rate?

• 15:17Hannah Berner?

  No, I didn't see that.

• 15:19Paige DeSorbo?

  Some article came out, so then obviously like everyone and their mom is doing a video on TikTok that Gen Z is getting fired at like an insane rate like they just can't hold they can't hold a job because people are just firing them left, right and center. Someone who's always down on Gen Z, I'm actually gonna stick up for them for a second. I don't think it's necessarily Gen Z. I think it's being that age. Anyone that age like in your early and mid twenties like it's very easy to mess up at your first job, second job.

• 15:54Hannah Berner?

  You're like as someone who was fired in her early twenties.

• 15:58Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, hold on, yeah.

• 16:01Paige DeSorbo?

  But then I kept seeing comments and it was millennials basically being like Gen Z doesn't take any initiative. And the comments were Gen Z being like initiative, cost extra, like you're not paying me. And I think that Gen Z might not understand the term initiative. And for me, it's common sense.

• 16:27Paige DeSorbo?

  I think that Gen Z just lacks certain social cues because of like COVID and certain things like and then I get TikToks of like teachers that teach like fourteen year olds and they're like, hey, guys, they don't know how to read, so we're asking them to do these things and it's like they can't do it because they can't read it. Like I guess their reading comprehension is really bad.

• 16:50Hannah Berner?

  Okay, I do have to say, I think Gen Z is also, they are amazing with like

• 16:58Hannah Berner?

  Understanding their worth and like in theory.

• 17:01Paige DeSorbo?

  Setting boundaries.

• 17:02Hannah Berner?

  Setting boundaries.

• 17:03Paige DeSorbo?

  Having a good work-life balance.

• 17:04Hannah Berner?

  Yes, which in theory is amazing.

• 17:07Paige DeSorbo?

  Awesome.

• 17:08Hannah Berner?

  But then you have to realize you will sometimes get fired when you have too many boundaries in the workplace. And that's okay, that job isn't for you.

• 17:17Paige DeSorbo?

  And as someone who runs a business.

• 17:21Hannah Berner?

  And as someone who's been fired.

• 17:23Paige DeSorbo?

  As someone who's fired people before.

• 17:25Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 17:26Paige DeSorbo?

  I think.

• 17:27Hannah Berner?

  Boyfriends.

• 17:28Paige DeSorbo?

  Fired multiple, fired so, fired so many boyfriends.

• 17:32Hannah Berner?

  Can we fire boyfriends? Like fuck breaking up, be like, you're on, you're fired.

• 17:36Paige DeSorbo?

  No, you're fired.

• 17:37Hannah Berner?

  I've seen your work. I've seen your work, it doesn't bring value.

• 17:40Paige DeSorbo?

  That is what it should be because it's like, hey, I gave you warning after warning.

• 17:45Hannah Berner?

  You've been on probation.

• 17:47Paige DeSorbo?

  We did a full year review, I said what you improved in and what you didn't and now.

• 17:53Hannah Berner?

  You're actually hurting the company.

• 17:54Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, I also saw a thing that it was like stay until you hate them because you'll never go back and I'm like, wait, I like have unintentionally done that for 15 years.

• 18:03Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, I don't agree with that, but if you have to do it that way, that's fine.

• 18:09Paige DeSorbo?

  Um, anyway, what was I saying? Okay, one of the things that I run into as a business owner and I'm like, obviously a lot of gigglers can relate to this and I don't think it's just Gen Z. I find myself, if you hire someone to do a job, I don't feel like I need to check in on you. That you're doing that job because I hired you to do that job.

• 18:32Hannah Berner?

  Well, initiative is so important and it comes from caring. Now, this is the thing. I was definitely taken advantage of and abused in my early twenties at multiple startups. However, I knew what I signed up for and this is my advice to people in their twenties. You're gonna change jobs every two years. That's how you actually get salary increases. Cause if you stay at the same job, you're not gonna get a lot. Unless if you're like so obsessed with a job. So when you're in it, think about the book you're gonna write. I love saying I was working, you know, for twenty dollars an hour and I was working weekends

• 19:11Hannah Berner?

  and I was learning so much and I was hanging out with, you know, this executive who was telling me all their strategies. It's the, the money, yeah, it seems low, but you're learning stuff. And yeah, I, we were part of that like unlimited vacation days time where they literally didn't give us days off. And if we asked for it, they like judged us. I never asked for a day off. No, that was like illegal and they were like, but we have a beer tap in the office. And I'm like, that gives me diarrhea. But anyway, I do have to say too,

• 19:46Hannah Berner?

  every single job I've been fired from, and this is a flex. The founder, the person who fired me has since reached out. And I have to say, I got an amazing text from someone who fired me early on in my career. I have to bring it up for you. That could make me cry. This, ooh, this could make me cry. I was in my very early- We're so emotional today. We're so emotional. This is my very early twenties. I was working under someone. He was amazing entrepreneur. And he kinda ended up just wanting me to do customer service, but I was trying so hard to like, do everything for him and pitch him stuff. And he basically was like, stop.

• 20:30Hannah Berner?

  And then when I asked for a raise, he was like, leave me alone. So I like left. I was like, I have to leave. So he texted me, "I think back to those years and realize I had no clue at the time how to help you be you. Keep having fun." And it's this beautiful, like, it wasn't about, I was, I was a bad worker or- Is it raining where you are? No, why? Oh, it's raining.

• 21:00Hannah Berner?

  We're both in New York though.

• 21:02Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, that's why I asked. Anyway, keep going with your beautiful stories.

• 21:06Hannah Berner?

  There's a 30% chance of rain, I'm touching my boob, continue.

• 21:11Hannah Berner?

  But anyway, if you are, if you are a Gen Z getting fired right now, don't take it personally, but I would get fired for doing too much. Like, they would be like, "You're not CEO, sit down and answer emails," where I was like, "We gotta change the strategy."

• 21:24Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, I don't think they're getting fired because of that, I think they're getting fired for literally the exact opposite.

• 21:29Hannah Berner?

  But I would argue Gen Z's, yes, you're getting taken advantage of, but you kind of, in your first years, you wanna learn as much as possible so that when eventually you do get the big jobs, you feel so qualified.

• 21:42Paige DeSorbo?

  This one girl gave an example where she was like, taking initiative is more like you're following up with someone rather than your boss asking you, "Hey, can you follow up with that person?"

• 21:54Hannah Berner?

  I also have like crippling anxiety, and the idea of like, my boss telling me to do something and it doesn't get done will keep me up for months.

• 22:04Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, like, I've had people, like, I've asked, like, "Okay, where do you see yourself in five years?" And like, I've had employees be like,

• 22:12Paige DeSorbo?

  "I don't think about it," and I'm like, "Okay," and that's totally fine, but if you're not thinking about it, then I'm certainly not thinking about it because I'm thinking about it for myself.

• 22:25Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, I also, there is an interesting perspective. I was meeting with this girl, and I don't think she knew that I was actually trying to see if she could be good, like, for our company.

• 22:37Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 22:37Hannah Berner?

  And I was just subtly asking her questions, like, "What's your dream job?" Like,

• 22:42Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 22:43Hannah Berner?

  And I literally looked at her, and I'm like, "If you, you could get everything you wanted in a job,

• 22:49Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 22:49Hannah Berner?

  what would it be?" And she looked at me and she was like, "To not work." And at that moment, I said, "That's incredible, and I wish that I could be fulfilled outside of work," and that's my own mental illness.

• 23:03Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, same. I wish.

• 23:05Hannah Berner?

  We're not talking down on that. That sounds, and there are people who live to work and work to live.

• 23:11Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 23:12Hannah Berner?

  What did you say to me when you like started Daphne, you said, "I'm feeling really creatively fulfilled," which I was missing in my life, and that's where I felt my most happiness, like, For example, even this special, I felt the same way this weekend too, where I was like, last special, you had, I had, I felt the weight of the world. Everyone was, like, there were all these articles about like, Hannah left reality TV to like, be a shitty comic, and like, it was all like, repeating in my head. And I'm like, I could fail, I could fail. And when you had your panic attack.

• 23:48Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 23:48Hannah Berner?

  Back in Denver, not to bring it up again, I know it's triggering. I told you, I said, you better get on stage tomorrow, because if you don't, you'll never go on again. And I've dealt with a lot of performance anxiety, performance anxiety in my past, so people are like, why would you become a stand-up comedian? But I realized, the only way to conquer your fears is to do it, and then, your brain learns, like, oh, this isn't something to be scared about, but the only way for your brain to know it is to do it.

• 24:22Paige DeSorbo?

  Right.

• 24:22Hannah Berner?

  So, what was crazy is, this Hulu special, I was like, oh no, like, three weeks beforehand, am I gonna start like, getting in my head again, and like, fighting all these demons, and it like, never happened. And then I went on stage, and I'm like, you're so fucking prepared, you've, you're having fun, you've done this before. And it just like, we both have had so much growth over the last two years, it's fucking crazy. And for anyone who's scared of something right now, I did my homework for you, and this is so annoying, and I hate to be so millennial about it, force yourself to do it.

• 24:58Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 24:58Hannah Berner?

  Like, even it's, it's a little thing, like, you're scared of going on dates, set up a date right now. Because that's the only way to change your brain. Neuroplasticity. Eileen Gu talked about it.

• 25:11Paige DeSorbo?

  Eileen who?

• 25:12Hannah Berner?

  Eileen Gu, we talked about her last time.

• 25:14Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, neuroplasticity, sorry, the words slipped my mind.

• 25:19Hannah Berner?

  Wait, so, okay. Is there any behind the scenes stuff from the actor awards you getting ready? Or like celebrity encounters that we should know about?

• 25:30Paige DeSorbo?

  Let me just say, I will get into it, but let me just say one more thing on why women are so incredible. I'm getting ready for, for the Netflix thing and something happened, not even like, nothing, but like it was nothing that happened, but I couldn't say in the moment, like, I look at Taylor Fitzgerald, my makeup artist, I'm not kidding Hannah, I shot my eye up for half a second. Half a second, we didn't even fully make eye contact and I had a full conversation with her in the moment. To the point that after, when it was over, she text, we were texting each other and I was like, "Hey, can we talk about something?" She goes, "I already know what you're gonna talk about."

• 26:15Hannah Berner?

  Was this during taping?

• 26:17Paige DeSorbo?

  No, this was like right before I went out.

• 26:21Hannah Berner?

  Got it.

• 26:21Paige DeSorbo?

  Like literally moments before I was starting.

• 26:23Hannah Berner?

  It was like mid-interview, you were like...

• 26:25Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I gave her a look and it was like, and it's just like the power of women and I know we get on the pod and I know a lot of people like to be like, put us in a box, like, oh, they just like hate men, like that's their whole personality, they hate men.

• 26:42Paige DeSorbo?

  And not at all, we love men. As someone who was the most boy crazy person in like high school, in college, I fucking love men. I love dating men, I love having sex with them, like, I have such great men in my fa- I know amazing men.

• 27:01Hannah Berner?

  Like I've had so many amazing men inside me.

• 27:03Paige DeSorbo?

  No, Rachel Zoe actually just did a podcast and she was talking about how like she loves great men, but she hates the shitty ones and I'm like, that's exactly how I feel. Where was I going with that?

• 27:14Hannah Berner?

  Well, you were saying women were amazing.

• 27:16Paige DeSorbo?

  Women are amazing. So like our whole personality isn't just hating men. But the way that we, I connect with another woman is just on another level. And it's not like to, it's not that it's competing with how I connect with men. It's just different. Like, okay, and you guys should connect with each other also, like.

• 27:34Hannah Berner?

  Is that why your ex-boyfriends are jealous of me?

• 27:37Paige DeSorbo?

  Probably.

• 27:38Hannah Berner?

  I think that I trigger men because they can tell when I don't respect them.

• 27:44Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 27:44Hannah Berner?

  And I don't do it, like, I do it very subtly. I think it's more like, I might not laugh as loud as they want me to, or, or they just don't like that I'm taking up space in a room that they're used to taking up space in.

• 27:58Paige DeSorbo?

  No, men can, for how dumb they are, they can clock when someone's clocking them. Like, I had a boyfriend meet my best friend from high school for the first time. And I hadn't seen, and we lived, at that point, me and my girlfriend had lived on like different coasts. So it wasn't like we were seeing each other all the time and we happened to both be in California. And I just started dating this guy and I was like, oh my God, you have to meet him. Let's like go out for drinks. She was with him, I'm not kidding, less than 15 minutes. She squeezed my hand and goes, what are you doing?

• 28:36Paige DeSorbo?

  And I had a moment where I was just like, oh my God. But he would not, he would not bring her up ever again. If there was, if there was a time where like I could possibly see her or hang out with her, he wanted nothing to do with it. And not that she was ever rude to him, like she would never do that. Like, he didn't know that she didn't like him. But men can clock when there's other women in the room that aren't falling for your bullshit.

• 29:07Hannah Berner?

  Yes. Also, when I meet, uh, my friend's boyfriend or something, I'm not meeting him as another woman.

• 29:14Paige DeSorbo?

  No.

• 29:14Hannah Berner?

  I'm genderless. I'm a soul.

• 29:16Paige DeSorbo?

  Genderless.

• 29:17Hannah Berner?

  I'm a soul in the room, meeting another soul. And I'm not, I'm not being girly, I'm just like-

• 29:23Paige DeSorbo?

  Right, because it's not like this is a potential employer, a potential date.

• 29:28Hannah Berner?

  I'm not flirting with you.

• 29:30Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, you're nothing to me.

• 29:31Hannah Berner?

  I am a raw soul, meeting you as a soul. And seeing-

• 29:36Paige DeSorbo?

  That is such a good way.

• 29:36Hannah Berner?

  Like, that is how I come into this space.

• 29:38Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 29:39Hannah Berner?

  And you're not gonna pull a fast one on me. And I'm not gonna be mean to you either. I think, maybe I scare them because they can tell that I'm observing, and I rarely observe.

• 29:49Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 29:50Hannah Berner?

  I'm not observant. I'm normally a chatty little Cathy.

• 29:53Paige DeSorbo?

  No, and that is why peop- that is why men will immediately, like, their immediate defenses. Will you listen to your friends, or like, you're acting like your frie- it's like, thank God.

• 30:03Hannah Berner?

  Thank God.

• 30:03Paige DeSorbo?

  Thank God someone's looking out for me, because you're certainly not.

• 30:06Hannah Berner?

  But also, if, I love us being like, and this is how you stand up for your friend, uh, what you should do. When I meet you with a new man, I look at you first.

• 30:17Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 30:17Hannah Berner?

  Cause I know who you are in your soul. And if you're, if you are putting on a different energy, it's not your fault, it's his fault.

• 30:25Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 30:25Hannah Berner?

  So I go, what is he reflecting onto you? That's making you feel like you have to overcompensate, you have to make yourself smaller, you can't laugh as loud. That's when I say, no, no, no.

• 30:36Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I would like, I would like hide.

• 30:41Paige DeSorbo?

  I'd become a recluse.

• 30:46Hannah Berner?

  You were wearing, you were, you were wearing outfits I didn't recognize.

• 30:53Hannah Berner?

  Pastels!

• 30:54Paige DeSorbo?

  You were wearing florals, honey. Someone had to check on you. You were wearing florals. We were all scared at home, we were all nervous.

• 31:03Hannah Berner?

  Oh, God.

• 31:06Paige DeSorbo?

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• 31:48Paige DeSorbo?

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• 32:31Paige DeSorbo?

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• 35:37Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, can I tell you some people I interviewed that I actually absolutely fucking love?

• 35:41Hannah Berner?

  Yes, give me the team!

• 35:44Paige DeSorbo?

  Number one, Ali Larder.

• 35:46Hannah Berner?

  Oh my god, what an icon!

• 35:48Paige DeSorbo?

  What an icon. Do you want to know something so fucking iconic? I see her walking down the carpet. She's stunning, she's radiant, she's...

• 35:56Hannah Berner?

  Gorgeous.

• 35:57Paige DeSorbo?

  Gorgeous. She's so fucking nice. It would like make you sick. She was so kind and warm.

• 36:04Hannah Berner?

  Eye contact.

• 36:05Paige DeSorbo?

  Because there's like a second, there's like a second before we start that like we say hi to each other. She was so nice to me. Then I see her with a man and in my head I'm like, I actually have no idea if she's married or not. I don't even know who. But I see the guy and I'm like, I kind of recognize him. Like, I feel like maybe he has been in a couple of movies, but it's not like he's like a name that you would like immediately think of.

• 36:27Paige DeSorbo?

  Good looking, very good looking, gorgeous couple. The way he watched her do the carpet,

• 36:37Paige DeSorbo?

  literally I could have brought a tear to my eye.

• 36:40Hannah Berner?

  Because some of these men are performative when the camera's on, trying to be supportive.

• 36:43Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, that's what it is. There was no camera on him.

• 36:46Hannah Berner?

  I can't, when the camera's on, being like, "Look how much I love her." When they're rude on camera, I'm like, imagine how they act without the camera.

• 36:54Paige DeSorbo?

  Imagine. And imagine how tired we are.

• 36:59Paige DeSorbo?

  So that was one thing. I loved her. I loved Michelle Randolph, who is also from Landman. She was so sweet.

• 37:07Hannah Berner?

  Stunning.

• 37:08Paige DeSorbo?

  So sweet. I felt so bad for her.

• 37:10Hannah Berner?

  Why?

• 37:11Paige DeSorbo?

  Because there was a moment where I had completely forgotten about the Colton of it all when I first saw, like when I saw her and when she was coming up to do an interview. Right before we started, she was like, "Hey, you're not gonna ask any personal questions, right?" I don't even know if that's exactly how she worded it. It was almost like, "Hey, you're not gonna ask any", and I looked at her and I was like, "Hey, no, no, no. I would never..." And then as I'm doing the interview, I'm like, "Oh my god", I bet she thought I was gonna say something about that disgusting loser who stalked the fuck out of her sister. It made me again pissed off cuz I'm like, here is this beautiful gorgeous young girl

• 37:53Paige DeSorbo?

  who is here celebrating the phenomenal job she did as an actress in her show that's getting nominated and she's thinking about your loser ass and if some random question's gonna come up about your psychotic. Did you see that whole Vanity Fair article Vanity Fair missed me with that. Did you see Colton did a whole article with Vanity Fair?

• 38:14Hannah Berner?

  I didn't see it.

• 38:15Paige DeSorbo?

  And they were like, the interviewer was like, obviously, we have to ask about this, like, what's going on with you and Michelle? Or not what's going on, but like.

• 38:23Hannah Berner?

  Cassie?

• 38:24Paige DeSorbo?

  No, the one that's on the show's name is Michelle. The one that he stalked is Cassie.

• 38:30Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 38:30Paige DeSorbo?

  So the interviewer asks him like, and his answer is, oh, well, if they wanted to ask me any questions, I'd be happy to answer them and I had a Xanax addiction at the time.

• 38:44Paige DeSorbo?

  Get this man off my internet.

• 38:45Hannah Berner?

  They're really doing the work.

• 38:46Paige DeSorbo?

  Why are you pushing this so much? Also, another thing, since we're talking about traitors and I didn't watch the season because I actually couldn't stomach it.

• 38:54Hannah Berner?

  Oh, yeah.

• 38:55Paige DeSorbo?

  But as someone who watched Rob's season on Love Island, I despised him on Love Island. I thought that he was so manipulative and everyone was falling for it. I kind of can't stomach the praise he's getting.

• 39:13Hannah Berner?

  Okay, as someone who watched every second of the season.

• 39:17Paige DeSorbo?

  Of traitors, but not Love Island.

• 39:19Hannah Berner?

  Not Love Island. I just watched traitors, this finale. Fast forward if you don't want to hear about it. Um, whole, I couldn't fall asleep that night. You would have actually broken a wall. You would have Allah man punched a wall.

• 39:35Paige DeSorbo?

  I saw some clips.

• 39:35Hannah Berner?

  So, Maura. Maura and Rob, they make it like they're besties cuz they're both on Love Island. We find out later, they met once before the show.

• 39:45Paige DeSorbo?

  When Tara and Johnny are legitimately best friends.

• 39:49Hannah Berner?

  They met once before the show.

• 39:50Paige DeSorbo?

  They said like, no, Rob's a traitor and no one would listen to them.

• 39:53Hannah Berner?

  So, there was a moment.

• 39:56Paige DeSorbo?

  If there's anyone I'm listening to, it's a girl and her gay bestie.

• 39:59Hannah Berner?

  You would have, you would have died. There's a moment, okay, there's a moment. Rob is a traitor. Eric is a traitor. And Eric, by the way, sweetest man in the world, worst traitor ever. He's like pissing himself. Every second he has to be a traitor.

• 40:14Paige DeSorbo?

  I don't even know who that is. Who is Eric?

• 40:16Hannah Berner?

  He's a singer. And Rob like picked him, I think, because he's weak. And like, if he fucks up, it doesn't affect Rob. So, and then there's Tara and Johnny. And Tara and Johnny are like, Eric and Rob are traitors. So then, there's a fifth person who's, who affects everything.

• 40:34Paige DeSorbo?

  You know what's cracking the case more than a girl and her gay? Like, I, I, I'm sorry.

• 40:38Hannah Berner?

  And when I tell you, so, so Tara pulls Maura aside and is like, Maura, I trust you, you trust me, I'm telling you. Rob and Eric are traitors. And she's like, I don't think, I don't think so, I don't think so. And then...

• 40:53Paige DeSorbo?

  The power of a, a attractive man in the United States of America to get away with hypothetical murder on this show is so, it's, it's alarming. It's alarming.

• 41:10Hannah Berner?

  There was a moment though, where Maura looks at Tara and she goes, I see it, you're right. So then she goes back to Rob. And the, this is the thing. It's, we've all seen this with our girlfriends before.

• 41:23Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 41:23Hannah Berner?

  Where they know the guy sucks. They know he's probably cheating on them. Or they know that he's not right for them. But they don't want to believe it because then they'd have to admit that they've been

• 41:34Paige DeSorbo?

  Duped.

• 41:34Hannah Berner?

  Duped the entire time. So that was like so human of Maura. But you're watching it, and there was this moment where they're going around, if Maura had voted for Eric or Rob, they could have had this like feminist moment of Tara and Maura being the winners of the traitors and the girls winning. And Maura turns and votes Tara.

• 42:01Hannah Berner?

  And Tara, and then, this was the hardest part. So Tara gets voted off. After Tara's like, "This man is the traitor." As she's walking away, Rob goes, and he didn't, this is what's the thing about Rob. He didn't mean it in a mean way, but if a man said this to me, I would have sucker punched him. He said, "Goodbye sweetheart."

• 42:21Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh, I would have fucking killed him.

• 42:23Hannah Berner?

  If you call me sweetheart.

• 42:24Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh, I would have fucking killed him.

• 42:27Hannah Berner?

  On a nice Tuesday, I would have been mad. But, so, so then-

• 42:30Paige DeSorbo?

  Are you kidding? If I'm walking down the streets of New York City and someone says, "Hey sweetheart," I'm turning around and being like, "Fuck you."

• 42:36Hannah Berner?

  Kicking you in the shin. Fuck you!

• 42:38Paige DeSorbo?

  Mind your own fucking business.

• 42:39Hannah Berner?

  How fucking dare you disrespect me like that? So then, this is the problem. So Maura is convinced Eric's the traitor. She's like, so she half-believed Tara. She's like, "Eric's the traitor. Could not be Rob. Could not be Rob." So then when it's, Rob and her look at each other and he's like, early on, he's like, "We're gonna win this thing. We're gonna win this thing." Now, I could see you being like, "Oh, me and my faithful friend are excited we're gonna win this thing." He's too sure they're gonna win it. Like, that's traitor behavior, to be like, "We're gonna get out this person, this person, then we're gonna win it." And she's smiling and hugging, they're holding hands. There's an intimacy to them. I'm just saying this allegedly.

• 43:20Hannah Berner?

  I think either they fucked, or they just had this like, really intense emotional thing going.

• 43:27Paige DeSorbo?

  Look, if I had a nickel every time like, a good-looking man like, truly deceived me, I wouldn't have to do this podcast anymore.

• 43:37Hannah Berner?

  No, like, and there's moments, we've all been there, where we know he sucks, but you're like, "This attention feels really nice right now, even though it's like, it's um, deviant attention, it's sinister attention."

• 43:50Paige DeSorbo?

  There's almost, here's the other thing for, and I don't, I'm actually probably just speaking for myself, because I'm fucking crazy.

• 43:59Paige DeSorbo?

  We're women. You're not crazy. Thank you. We're women, so like, we have our shit together. We have our schedule, we know what we're doing, we know what our meals are, we know how we're gonna take care of our bodies, we know how we're gonna spend our Saturday afternoon. We've thought it through. We've thought it through, honey. We've got our ducks in a row. We've got our... And manicured. We've got our Ts crossed, our Is dotted. We've double-checked things. So sometimes when you throw a wrench in there, you're like, hmm. Not an eyelash is out of place. Let's fuck shit up. This is interesting. Like, this is life. Like, be unexpected. Oh, he's so, he's so crazy.

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• 47:38Hannah Berner?

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• 49:44Hannah Berner?

  So Maura said if I was, she said if I was diktatized, you would have known. And I'm like, you look exactly like me every time I'm talking to a tall man with a good jaw.

• 49:54Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 49:54Hannah Berner?

  And Rob is, he's also, to win traders, you have, people have to trust you and you can't be too loud. I was thinking like, I would get voted off immediately because they hate a loud woman. They hate a loud woman. And we're not loud, by the way.

• 50:11Paige DeSorbo?

  They're suspicious.

• 50:12Hannah Berner?

  We're the same as a man, but we'd be considered loud women.

• 50:15Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 50:15Hannah Berner?

  Um, so anyway, she gets.

• 50:18Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, isn't that crazy that we're actually considered loud women?

• 50:22Hannah Berner?

  I hate when people say loud. I hate when people say confident women. I'm like, a man. We act like a man.

• 50:27Paige DeSorbo?

  When I rarely speak.

• 50:29Hannah Berner?

  You've never spoken before.

• 50:31Paige DeSorbo?

  I don't speak.

• 50:32Hannah Berner?

  You've never said a word in your life.

• 50:36Paige DeSorbo?

  And people are like, she thinks too highly of herself. She's disgusting.

• 50:39Hannah Berner?

  I, I also think, because I'm a little rough around the edges, people really hate when I talk. Like, at least you have like societal femininity, where when I talk, people are like, burner.

• 50:50Paige DeSorbo?

  Hannah, I have to.

• 50:51Hannah Berner?

  You, you.

• 50:52Paige DeSorbo?

  I have to.

• 50:52Hannah Berner?

  It's more palatable when you say it. Like, I'm gonna be so honest, me and you have said the same things on reality TV.

• 50:58Paige DeSorbo?

  Yes. Mine get taken differently because, no, because I know how to make myself smaller. Because I feel like at a young age, because I modeled at a young age, and I would never bring it up. I, because I didn't want people to ever know, because I would be scared that they would be mean to me about it. I learned really quickly how to make myself really small in a room. So I can go back and forth.

• 51:26Hannah Berner?

  And that is why you actually did so well on reality TV and I didn't. Because I've always taken up too much space in a room when I felt like I needed to be heard.

• 51:40Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 51:41Hannah Berner?

  Where the men hated that.

• 51:43Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 51:43Hannah Berner?

  And everyone was like, you know, no, not you.

• 51:47Paige DeSorbo?

  How dare you.

• 51:48Hannah Berner?

  Sit the fuck down, not you. Where you were better at subtle cunning jabs.

• 51:53Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm better at mental mind games.

• 51:56Hannah Berner?

  And let me just say, not a lie has ever been said by me.

• 52:00Paige DeSorbo?

  Never, not one.

• 52:02Hannah Berner?

  I've never lied.

• 52:03Paige DeSorbo?

  No, you haven't.

• 52:04Hannah Berner?

  I don't even know how.

• 52:05Paige DeSorbo?

  Never.

• 52:05Hannah Berner?

  Which is why I'd be a horrible traitor. But anyway, so Maura gets out Rob, I mean, sorry, gets out Eric, and Eric, and Rob gets out Eric. So it's just her and Rob, and you could see in her head, she is, she's blushing, like, she's like, we did it. And then you have to say if you're a traitor or not. She goes so far as to joke with him and go, "I have to tell you something. I'm a traitor. Just kidding, I'm a faithful..." And Rob has to pretend like he's surprised.

• 52:36Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 52:36Hannah Berner?

  Which...

• 52:39Hannah Berner?

  So upsetting. And then he's basically like, I'm a traitor. The light in her eyes die.

• 52:46Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 52:47Hannah Berner?

  Sh- that was the most incredible scene.

• 52:50Paige DeSorbo?

  Mm-hmm.

• 52:51Hannah Berner?

  I've seen in a long time. But I do have to say. It's a game.

• 52:56Paige DeSorbo?

  Mm-hmm.

• 52:57Hannah Berner?

  And Rob played it. He didn't, he, your job is to deceive. Like, I, so I can't, I'm not mad at Rob, and I'm not mad at Maura. I'm upset that this is the world we live in, that a white man is so much easily trusted. Why has every drag queen voted out first? Save these queens.

• 53:21Paige DeSorbo?

  The rate in which women will trust a man because he's slightly good-looking and trust his word over hu- tens of hundreds of like, i- it's kind of crazy and I feel like you can see it very clearly on reality TV. Like, that is why sometimes reality TV really gets like studied in certain college classes.

• 53:45Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 53:45Paige DeSorbo?

  Because watching how many pe- you could have four women line up and be like, he did this, this, and this to me. And the other women be like, yeah, and he also did this, this, and this to me. And they'd be like,

• 53:57Paige DeSorbo?

  but you provoked him. Like, you were asking for it.

• 54:01Hannah Berner?

  The misogyny of reality TV. If you list all the horrible things that the men have done, and hot take, the only reason Tom Sandoval got his ass handed to him as hard as he did was because people wanted to hate on Rachel too.

• 54:19Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 54:19Hannah Berner?

  If it was with a random girl,

• 54:21Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 54:21Hannah Berner?

  he would have never gotten that kind of traction.

• 54:23Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah. Could you imagine if a woman did what Tom Sandoval did? But like, if the roles were reversed, it would be a completely, it would be a completely different outcome. Like, Tom Sandoval's on a show right now. He's on like House of Villains or something. If a woman did that, done.

• 54:42Hannah Berner?

  If you're hating too much on women, you're actually hurting the movement. Stop for a second and be like, is this what I'm fighting for? Or is there bigger societal things than me tearing apart women?

• 54:56Paige DeSorbo?

  And not everything is all of our fault. Like, I get hated. It's kind of funny because I can see both sides of like where I get hate and it like never makes any sense. But it is interesting to see because I'm like, so this is, it, it will just, it's just automatically a woman's fault. Like, I'll get hated for staying with someone for too long. But then I'll also get hated if I broke up with them. It's like, okay, well, I don't trust her because she dated him. But it's like, but I broke up with him. It's like, well, I still don't trust you even though. It's like, okay, but so I could, I wouldn't have been able to win either. If I stayed with him, you would have been mad. And now that I'm broken up with him, you're still mad. At the end of the day, it's always gonna be a woman's fault because it's just easier to blame us. We can take it more. The men can't take it.

• 55:41Hannah Berner?

  Do you know what's hard? Is every woman has seen what men are capable of. But then like on reality TV, when you see a man do it to a girl, it's, that's you projecting, you get mad at the girl.

• 55:52Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 55:53Hannah Berner?

  Like, it's her fault. When it's like, we've all been in that position. Like, that's why I'm not mad at Maura. I'm like, I've been her. We've all been Maura. Why would I get mad at her? She's, she's showing what happens in the world.

• 56:07Paige DeSorbo?

  Because I don't go into a conversation or a friendship or a relationship and my first thought is not, you're gonna lie to me?

• 56:16Hannah Berner?

  Exactly.

• 56:18Paige DeSorbo?

  I have the opposite thought. I'm like, well, no, I'm dating you. You're my friend. Why would I think you're lying to me? Then I have to do investigation and be like, wait, you were lying?

• 56:28Hannah Berner?

  Looking back though, I do think it would have been iconic for her to be like, regardless, I don't want to share this with this man, even if I lose, like, fuck this man. But she really like loved him. Do you know what Maura also, she, um, she went on Love Island right after she got cheated.

• 56:47Paige DeSorbo?

  Her season was iconic.

• 56:48Hannah Berner?

  So she told me, she told me. I watched a video of her.

• 56:54Paige DeSorbo?

  Ipso facto, she did kinda tell you.

• 56:56Hannah Berner?

  She told me through the phone that she went on pissed. And, but she's so funny, naturally funny, that she was just like being crazy in the best way and passionate and, and having no nonsense for men. But what, what was so sad is she was like, "I've been cheated on my whole life." And it was interesting to see like this pattern, like the world is almost like giving you the same result until you change. And not that it's her fault, but you wonder why you keep finding yourself with men that are capable of such deception.

• 57:32Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 57:33Hannah Berner?

  Like I've, I go for a different type of issue, man. I've never been in the, unless if every man's cheated on me and I didn't know, but I feel like I would know because I'm a woman.

• 57:43Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 57:44Hannah Berner?

  Um, some people go for cheaters, some people go for narcissists, some people go for both.

• 57:49Paige DeSorbo?

  I go for like controlling narcissists.

• 57:52Hannah Berner?

  See, they, that doesn't, that they know that I'm.

• 57:55Paige DeSorbo?

  And I like to think it's because I like a challenge.

• 58:00Hannah Berner?

  Yes. Con- oh god, controlling narcissists. They love women who are strong and powerful.

• 58:07Paige DeSorbo?

  I like to say they come for me.

• 58:10Hannah Berner?

  They come for, yeah.

• 58:11Paige DeSorbo?

  They come for me and they disguise in the beginning and then they trap me and then I'm like, now I have to cook up a plan?

• 58:18Hannah Berner?

  I don't understand the psyche of it, but I could see a man being like, "I would love to be with a beautiful woman like Maura and then cheat on her for my ego."

• 58:25Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 58:27Hannah Berner?

  And that's how you turn it and not blame Maura.

• 58:29Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 58:29Hannah Berner?

  It's not her fault. She's so pretty and her glam skills are so good.

• 58:34Paige DeSorbo?

  It's not her fault that some good-looking man literally tricked her.

• 58:38Hannah Berner?

  I kind of love how mental healthy this episode is because I have one more mental health moment to start the week off.

• 58:45Paige DeSorbo?

  Fuck yeah, Hannah.

• 58:46Hannah Berner?

  Thanks. So I actually would tell everyone like, okay, intuition versus anxiety, it's different. But like, we don't really know how to tell. Like, we've all been lying. We're like, "Yeah, I could tell." We can't tell. Until I learned anxiety comes in a question.

• 59:02Hannah Berner?

  So when you get a thought that's a question, that's not intuition. So if you get a thought like, is he cheating on me? That's anxiety. If you get a thought, he's cheating on you, that's intuition.

• 59:17Hannah Berner?

  When you-

• 59:18Paige DeSorbo?

  Sorry, I have to go about my days differently now.

• 59:20Hannah Berner?

  No, oh my god! And then if you have a past tense thought, that's just depression, like, you always do this, you always do that. That's not intuition. That's depression. Or a story you tell of yourself, like, this is so you, that's not intuition, that's depression. Um, cuz we all can make up stories about who we are. Any story is not intuition.

• 59:43Paige DeSorbo?

  Sorry, not me, just like going through my whole life.

• 59:46Hannah Berner?

  Intuition is a statement, like, before we went on stage, before you went to perform your Netflix, we both went, I'm ready for this. That's intuition. And that's why we weren't nervous.

• 1:00:00Paige DeSorbo?

  Ooh, girl! What an episode. Honestly, I didn't need this on a Tuesday morning.

• 1:00:04Hannah Berner?

  I know. I know. We did not need this.

• 1:00:08Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I needed to speak to you, though. I needed to vent. If you, the moral of this episode, truly, sometimes you just need to talk to your friend.

• 1:00:16Hannah Berner?

  Or listen to Giggly Squad.

• 1:00:19Paige DeSorbo?

  Like, you just need to get, like, taken out of your brain cycle.

• 1:00:26Hannah Berner?

  Mm-hmm. You have to have a different perspective.

• 1:00:29Paige DeSorbo?

  Yes.

• 1:00:29Hannah Berner?

  And someone who sees you authentically, and not like the stuff you've been making up. Wait, can I call my out, myself out for being a misogynistic monster? Okay, so, my mom flew to Toronto to literally, like, manage me, like, came in my hotel room, made sure I had enough liquids, like, talked me off ledges, folded my clothes, like, literally, every second, walked in, like, put, put me in my bodysuit, like, took care of every second, took notes during my sets to know what editor, like, she did everything. She has a notebook during my sets.

• 1:01:07Paige DeSorbo?

  The other day, I made my mom get on a Zoom. Because my mom is an accountant. It's not like I'm just like bringing my mom. My mom is a professional woman. And I saw her with her glasses and her little pen and I

• 1:01:19Hannah Berner?

  My mom is sitting in the crowd with her notebook.

• 1:01:22Paige DeSorbo?

  And that'll actually make me cry because it's that is just like you have to talk to your friends sometimes you have to Women are so important. That's so important. No one else is doing that for you except your fucking mom.

• 1:01:36Hannah Berner?

  And I had this magical moment when I was on stage and you're you're still scared. You're like, holy fuck, this is the special. I've been working two years for this moment. And she was wearing this light blazer and somehow in the darkness, I see her blazer and I see that she's smiling. Like I saw her teeth smiling and I like got this rush of confidence that I was like, we're in this, we're doing it. Like your mom's there for you. Then I get a text from my dad. Who wasn't able to come. I think he was also

• 1:02:08Hannah Berner?

  I think he was one nervous and also he had to like do a couple of things. I think he was like Also, last time he like heard that there was free catering for the crew and just kept getting in line for the free catering. So it was whatever. But um, also my dad and I are very connected emotionally where like he doesn't have to physically be there. Like he's my coach. I love him to death. So I get a text from him the next day on Saturday. Baby, you've worked so hard for this. Just go out there and be yourself. Love you. And in that moment, I was like.

• 1:02:37Paige DeSorbo?

  Isn't it funny to think that like you're still their child?

• 1:02:40Hannah Berner?

  No, I know.

• 1:02:41Paige DeSorbo?

  Like you're still like the baby they brought home from the hospital.

• 1:02:45Hannah Berner?

  I was this close to posting this on Instagram being like, I love my dad so much. Thank you. And then I stopped myself. I said, wait, wait, wait, wait a second.

• 1:02:53Paige DeSorbo?

  You can't put anything nice on the internet.

• 1:02:55Hannah Berner?

  Sitting at home, sent me a very nice text and I'm about to like be like, oh, my dad, my mom is out here like doing my laundry right now. She's rewriting my stand up set. She's she's organizing everything and I'm like, daddy sent me a text.

• 1:03:12Hannah Berner?

  Daddy, daddy remembered.

• 1:03:14Paige DeSorbo?

  And half the time, half the time, I know my mom has said, hey, send a text.

• 1:03:20Hannah Berner?

  She probably told him to.

• 1:03:22Paige DeSorbo?

  Hundred percent.

• 1:03:23Hannah Berner?

  Meanwhile, he sent me that text. I got teary eyed. I said, this man, I'm so lucky to have a dad who's so special.

• 1:03:29Paige DeSorbo?

  We're no better than a man.

• 1:03:31Hannah Berner?

  We're no better. We're no better. So let's, you guys, keep eyes and ears open out here. No one can be trusted. Okay?

• 1:03:38Paige DeSorbo?

  No, and just remember, like, maybe you're not having a horrible day and it's like you hate your life. Maybe you just have to call your friend.

• 1:03:46Hannah Berner?

  You love a theme.

• 1:03:46Paige DeSorbo?

  Call your friend.

• 1:03:47Hannah Berner?

  The way you love a theme.

• 1:03:50Hannah Berner?

  And that's why friendship is the best.

• 1:03:53Paige DeSorbo?

  I love to wrap things up with a bow.

• 1:03:55Hannah Berner?

  One thing you love is a bow. You guys, thank you for giggling with us. We love you so much and we'll talk to you later this week. Bye.

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