Pod Insights My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 27: Your Hometown Murder Email Round-Up About this episode It's time to Rewind with Karen & Georgia! This week, K & G recap Episode 27: Your Hometown Murder Email Round-Up when Karen and Georgia shared your listener stories. Listen for all-new commentary, possible case updates and much more!
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0:06 Georgia Hardstark? In New Orleans, truckers kept getting sideswiped the exact same way.
0:09 Karen Kilgariff? When a man is found murdered under questionable circumstances related to these accidents, that's when the rubber hits the road.
0:16 Georgia Hardstark? And what the feds uncover is a complex scheme of staged wrecks, financial fraud, and a pair of conspiring lovers behind it.
0:23 Karen Kilgariff? This is a story about fake accidents that led to real consequences.
0:27 Georgia Hardstark? Listen to Over My Dead Body: Operation Sideswipe wherever you get your podcasts.
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1:08 Karen Kilgariff? Goodbye.
1:25 Georgia Hardstark? Hello.
1:27 Karen Kilgariff? And welcome.
1:28 Georgia Hardstark? To Rewind with Karen and Georgia.
1:30 Karen Kilgariff? This, if you don't know, is our Wednesday episode. It's new, and we recap our old shows, we give you updates on them, new commentary from 10 years later. I mean, you know, the whole thing. It's like a recap show, but you're doing it to yourself.
1:45 Georgia Hardstark? You just keep doing it to yourself.
1:47 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah.
1:47 Georgia Hardstark? Today, we're revisiting episode 27, which is a really fun one. It's titled "Your Hometown Murder Email Roundup."
1:54 Karen Kilgariff? Who thought of that? What a great title.
1:56 Georgia Hardstark? And this was the episode that paved the way for our minisodes, where we tell you your hometowns, because guess what? They never stopped coming in.
2:04 Karen Kilgariff? I mean, nine years.
2:05 Georgia Hardstark? Nine years. We love it. If you have one, send it to myfavoritemurder@gmail, not my personal email account that I gave out in the beginning of this show.
2:12 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah, that's right. What's your new email?
2:14 Georgia Hardstark? Myfavoritemurder@gmail.
2:17 Karen Kilgariff? This episode was originally released on Thursday, July 28th, 2016.
2:21 Georgia Hardstark? So push your earbuds in a little deeper because now we can all be day one listeners.
2:26 Karen Kilgariff? Okay, here's the intro of episode 27.
2:33 Karen Kilgariff? Uh, hi, welcome to My Favorite Murder.
2:36 Georgia Hardstark? That's Karen. Let's start over.
2:39 Karen Kilgariff? I hate that.
2:40 Georgia Hardstark? But we're leaving it in, but let's say let's start over.
2:42 Karen Kilgariff? Okay.
2:43 Georgia Hardstark? Let's start over.
2:44 Karen Kilgariff? Welcome to My Favorite Murder.
2:46 Georgia Hardstark? Welcome.
2:47 Karen Kilgariff? Oh, My Favorite Murder.
2:49 Georgia Hardstark? Oh, this is so bad.
2:50 Karen Kilgariff? It's, um, it's just uncomfortable to start a podcast. I think anyone listening understands that.
2:57 Georgia Hardstark? Yeah.
2:57 Karen Kilgariff? It's uncomfortable to pretend while you're sitting in your friend's apartment that you suddenly have some kind of official.
3:05 Georgia Hardstark? Right.
3:05 Karen Kilgariff? Like it's as if we're on the radio.
3:07 Georgia Hardstark? Well, you and I have been talking pretty mellow, mell-ly.
3:11 Karen Kilgariff? In a mellow manner.
3:12 Georgia Hardstark? 15 minutes and then just suddenly break in face to face into like news caster voices weird.
3:18 Karen Kilgariff? Hey, Georgia.
3:19 Georgia Hardstark? Karen.
3:20 Karen Kilgariff? What's up, girl?
3:21 Georgia Hardstark? How are you?
3:22 Karen Kilgariff? Um, what's your murdery day been like?
3:26 Georgia Hardstark? My day has been murder-licious.
3:30 Georgia Hardstark? And then I just throw myself off a balcony. Let's start over.
3:33 Karen Kilgariff? That's, welcome to My Favorite Murder, the podcast that answers the question, should you talk about murders?
3:42 Georgia Hardstark? The answer is no. We already know the answer.
3:46 Karen Kilgariff? Goodbye.
3:47 Georgia Hardstark? Ow, I just murdered my toes.
3:48 Karen Kilgariff? What were you going to say?
3:49 Georgia Hardstark? I was going to say that I watched two episodes of Marcella.
3:55 Georgia Hardstark? You know when it's like, I know one of them is wrong and I don't know which one.
3:58 Karen Kilgariff? No, no, no, I'm laughing because the people on the show say Marcella.
4:01 Georgia Hardstark? Right. That's one of the things about it is it's like she keeps correcting them.
4:04 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah.
4:04 Georgia Hardstark? It wasn't in the.
4:06 Karen Kilgariff? You did not like it?
4:07 Georgia Hardstark? I need you to talk me through it.
4:09 Karen Kilgariff? Well, if he didn't like, he didn't like it.
4:12 Georgia Hardstark? I just really didn't, I thought she wasn't believe, it wasn't believable to me that she was so crazy. I'm not going to give anything away. It's this British procedural crime drama.
4:26 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah, we've talked about it.
4:27 Georgia Hardstark? I know, but maybe someone's new here.
4:29 Karen Kilgariff? Oh, true, true, true, true, true.
4:30 Georgia Hardstark? Are you new?
4:31 Karen Kilgariff? Are you new?
4:32 Georgia Hardstark? Are you new?
4:33 Karen Kilgariff? Um, I mean, I don't know. I just liked it, but, but also I really do like, as long as it's new and British.
4:40 Georgia Hardstark? Yeah, you specifically like those.
4:41 Karen Kilgariff? I really do. I think they do crime procedurals great.
4:45 Georgia Hardstark? Yeah. I think that I am less interested.
4:50 Karen Kilgariff? You don't like drama, per se.
4:52 Georgia Hardstark? Slow.
4:54 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah, they're very slow.
4:55 Georgia Hardstark? I don't like slow and I don't like, I can't understand your accent half the time, so I'm not following. And also you're driving on the wrong side of the road.
5:02 Karen Kilgariff? Oh my God. And why are you drinking tea like seven times a day?
5:06 Georgia Hardstark? In addition, what the fuck?
5:08 Karen Kilgariff? Um, let's vow to never do those voices again.
5:12 Georgia Hardstark? Oh my God, never.
5:13 Karen Kilgariff? Except for our real voices, which sound a lot like.
5:16 Georgia Hardstark? Which we don't want to admit actually sounding.
5:18 Karen Kilgariff? Sound kind of. I will recommend this, although it is off topic of the direct murder topic. I've been watching Stranger Things.
5:27 Georgia Hardstark? I was just gonna bring it up.
5:28 Karen Kilgariff? Really? Love it.
5:30 Georgia Hardstark? Two episodes in.
5:31 Karen Kilgariff? Love it.
5:31 Georgia Hardstark? So good.
5:32 Karen Kilgariff? Love it. And as a person who grew up in the eighties, like those houses. It's a new Netflix series. If you haven't seen it called Stranger Things, it's very popular. People are loving it.
5:41 Georgia Hardstark? Winona Ryder.
5:42 Karen Kilgariff? The star, very proud to see her there. Hometown girl, Winona Ryder. And it's so good. She's great. It's really fun, but that, like the friend Barb, the first time the main girl's friend Barb from.
5:57 Georgia Hardstark? Oh my God, Barb is the best.
5:59 Karen Kilgariff? Barb is the best and Barb's hair, glasses and clothes to a person today, you're like, what the fuck? That's exactly what everybody looked like.
6:07 Georgia Hardstark? She could not be more on point, the on pointiest point person.
6:10 Karen Kilgariff? In the eighties, young girls dressed like they were doing a middle aged secretary cosplay.
6:16 Georgia Hardstark? Yeah.
6:17 Karen Kilgariff? And I don't know why, it was like, we didn't have a choice.
6:19 Georgia Hardstark? Had divorced, mother of three cosplay.
6:24 Karen Kilgariff? My friend Heidi Lilly, God rest her soul, had a pair of glasses that were tinted pink on the bottom and blue on the top in seventh grade. So it looked like she was wearing blush and eyeshadow and I was obsessed with them.
6:36 Georgia Hardstark? You know what's so weird is you can tell, you can tell how they got hot.
6:41 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah.
6:41 Georgia Hardstark? You know what I mean?
6:42 Karen Kilgariff? Yes.
6:42 Georgia Hardstark? Like, you can tell how then later in the eighties, early nineties, maybe in the early forties, they suddenly got super hot.
6:50 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah.
6:50 Georgia Hardstark? But they, but then they show the dude that they're dating, or the lady they're dating, their photo from high school, and you're all like, what the fuck?
6:58 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah.
6:58 Georgia Hardstark? But I did, I do want her clothes. Like, that's my style.
7:02 Karen Kilgariff? Yes, that's right. A nice high neck, like a ruffle neck, collar, blouse, made of polyester. There were a lot of, like, matching vests.
7:10 Georgia Hardstark? They all look very hot. They all look like they have too many layers on.
7:13 Karen Kilgariff? Yes. Anyways, there were tons of layers.
7:15 Georgia Hardstark? That show is great.
7:15 Karen Kilgariff? It's a great show. Watch that. Um, and I'm sure there's somebody out there that's watched the whole thing and gone, you're a day late and it's all a short. Good. Fair, fair play.
7:25 Georgia Hardstark? I don't think it's fair. I think it's unfair that we can, we can talk about it. And I'm like, super excited about it. And other people are like, I'm, I finished it. And I have so many questions about like, you know, like, who's this? Who's that? What happened here? What happened there?
7:37 Karen Kilgariff? Because you haven't finished it?
7:38 Georgia Hardstark? Yeah.
7:39 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah.
7:39 Georgia Hardstark? The Kid Without Teeth.
7:41 Karen Kilgariff? Oh, yeah.
7:42 Georgia Hardstark? Love him.
7:42 Karen Kilgariff? He's, he's a spinoff in and of himself.
7:44 Georgia Hardstark? Oh, my God.
7:45 Karen Kilgariff? He's a great actor.
7:46 Georgia Hardstark? You know what I love about that is the opening credits?
7:49 Karen Kilgariff? Yes.
7:50 Georgia Hardstark? They could not be more eighties.
7:51 Karen Kilgariff? They're so dead on.
7:52 Georgia Hardstark? They're so, not Unsolved Mysteries, but what was the other one? Um, the, um, like Imaginary Stories, or Someone's Yelling It at Home, and I know they are.
8:02 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah.
8:03 Georgia Hardstark? What, it's not, it was like creepy stories.
8:08 Karen Kilgariff? Knock.
8:09 Georgia Hardstark? Tales from the Crypt.
8:10 Karen Kilgariff? No, but it was like that.
8:12 Georgia Hardstark? Creepy stories.
8:13 Karen Kilgariff? Creepy stories. I don't know.
8:16 Georgia Hardstark? Anyway, it's great.
8:20 Georgia Hardstark? I love how dated this is, that we're talking about the first season of Stranger Things.
8:25 Karen Kilgariff? The first season.
8:26 Georgia Hardstark? That was an epic season for a season.
8:29 Karen Kilgariff? Well, I mean, like, it's, the reason it got so big, and it is what it is, is because, like, man, it was just like, what are we looking at? This is such a good idea.
8:37 Georgia Hardstark? It felt good. It was good. The sweaters were great.
8:40 Karen Kilgariff? And Winona Ryder, coming back.
8:42 Georgia Hardstark? Winona!
8:43 Karen Kilgariff? Hometown hero.
8:44 Georgia Hardstark? Oh, yeah, that's right. She's your hometown girl.
8:46 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah, she is.
8:47 Georgia Hardstark? Love her.
8:48 Karen Kilgariff? This is really funny. We talk about a Rolling Stone article that ran about us.
8:53 Georgia Hardstark? That's, isn't it crazy that 26 episodes in, we had a rolling, we were in Rolling Stone? Like, I remember feeling... Elated, like, I read Rolling Stone as a kid.
9:02 Karen Kilgariff? Oh, yeah.
9:02 Georgia Hardstark? I was obsessed, and that was such a moment for me.
9:06 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah, I bet.
9:06 Georgia Hardstark? You know?
9:07 Karen Kilgariff? I'm sure I was like, ew, this seems like a bad idea. But what's crazy is Aaron Brown, who helps us produce these rewind episodes and works along them a lot, and of course, Allison, they tried to find this article. They cannot find it. They're like, we don't understand, but it's not online. Like, we need someone to search it.
9:31 Georgia Hardstark? Things don't disappear from the internet.
9:33 Karen Kilgariff? So what we're thinking is, hey, if you, listener, can find this article we're talking about in this episode, and you write in and show it to us, you will win a free sweatshirt of your choosing.
9:46 Georgia Hardstark? Oh, I love that. From us, though, not like Land's End or whatever.
9:50 Karen Kilgariff? Oh, no, it's gonna be one of my old sweatshirts.
9:52 Georgia Hardstark? You're gonna choose one of Karen's old sweatshirts.
9:55 Karen Kilgariff? I have one that says sardines on the front of it. That's pretty cool. I cut the bottom off.
9:59 Georgia Hardstark? That's so Gen Z of you.
10:01 Karen Kilgariff? Right? I'm trying to get in there with the 20-year-olds. I think it'll work great.
10:05 Georgia Hardstark? It's gonna happen. All right, let's get into the episode. This is really cool because we had the idea to read hometowns, which is now fucking legendary Monday episode.
10:16 Karen Kilgariff? Oh, my God.
10:17 Georgia Hardstark? Where we just read you your hometowns. If you guys like skip those somehow, you are missing out on some of those beautiful stories. Beautiful, terrifying, heartwarming, hilarious, weird fucking stories. It's become its own monster.
10:30 Karen Kilgariff? The mini-sodes are a joy. And I think sometimes people are like, oh, no, I'm just a hardcore true crime listener. And I was like, yeah, but this is adjacent in the perfect way where it starts out as people telling their hometowns, but then we got people to kind of tell us stories about their grandma, and about this, and about that. And now it is just good stories.
10:49 Georgia Hardstark? Yeah. And I think it's also, I hear from people saying, I don't like true crime, so I only listen to the mini-sode. So it's kind of great for like, your mom on a road trip or something like that.
10:58 Karen Kilgariff? Right.
10:58 Georgia Hardstark? You know?
10:59 Karen Kilgariff? Or like my sister, who has never listened to one episode of this podcast.
11:02 Georgia Hardstark? Perfect. Okay, so let's kick this off. In this hometown, Karen reads a story from a listener named Charlotte.
11:13 Georgia Hardstark? The holidays are coming, which means we'll all be spending more time away from home.
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14:35 Karen Kilgariff? Goodbye.
14:38 Georgia Hardstark? Let's start.
14:39 Karen Kilgariff? Okay.
14:40 Georgia Hardstark? Starts podcast.
14:41 Karen Kilgariff? Well, you know what we're going to do this week, everybody? Skippers, come back.
14:45 Georgia Hardstark? Very special episode.
14:46 Karen Kilgariff? Today's a very special episode because we have a Gmail inbox filled with hundreds of hometown murders, hundreds.
14:55 Georgia Hardstark? Hundreds.
14:56 Karen Kilgariff? Hundreds. So we've, we decided we're going to dig in as we have been promising to do for a long time and just start reading some of them.
15:03 Georgia Hardstark? So this is a long form hometown murder episode.
15:06 Karen Kilgariff? And it's good because there's a lot of good murders in there. You're just going to, you're just going to get a bunch of minis.
15:12 Georgia Hardstark? Yeah.
15:14 Karen Kilgariff? At once for your buck.
15:16 Georgia Hardstark? Yeah. And we absolutely didn't text each other this morning and say, I can't, I don't have time to find a murder. And the other one-
15:23 Karen Kilgariff? I can't do this homework.
15:24 Georgia Hardstark? I have a job today.
15:26 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah.
15:26 Georgia Hardstark? For one day of my life.
15:27 Karen Kilgariff? It's 100 degrees outside. I can't be expected to look on Wikipedia.
15:33 Georgia Hardstark? 10 minutes. Find her murder. Oh, no. What about all the people who are finding us? And this is their first episode they listen to.
15:39 Karen Kilgariff? Guys, hang in there. Don't give up.
15:41 Georgia Hardstark? Yeah, start from the beginning.
15:42 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah, start from the beginning and then let, let the love build a little bit before you get to this kind of, um, what is this, episode 27?
15:51 Georgia Hardstark? 27.
15:52 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah.
15:52 Georgia Hardstark? Last was 2666.
15:54 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah, that's right. 27. That's weird.
15:56 Georgia Hardstark? It's just weird. I, I like that we always know what episode, how many episodes we've done based on just because that's what we call them.
16:03 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah, that's right.
16:04 Georgia Hardstark? So I, I got a bunch. So people, people who start the podcast from the beginning don't know that. And we didn't have a My Favorite Murder Gmail then.
16:12 Karen Kilgariff? Right.
16:13 Georgia Hardstark? So there's, they send them to my email address, so you don't see them.
16:17 Karen Kilgariff? Oh, okay. These are your private hometown murders.
16:20 Georgia Hardstark? Yeah, which I know that they are not deep into the podcast when they send, that send them to my account. But I also hide them from you, so we're good.
16:26 Karen Kilgariff? Okay. I like, I like to have secrets. You know that about me.
16:29 Georgia Hardstark? We love secrets.
16:30 Karen Kilgariff? We love them.
16:31 Georgia Hardstark? Do you, why don't you start? Someone said, someone on the Facebook page was like, I love the way you guys don't know who's supposed to go first. You're so off every week.
16:42 Karen Kilgariff? Yes.
16:42 Georgia Hardstark? When I'm like, it's your turn to start. Yeah.
16:44 Karen Kilgariff? We're never right.
16:45 Georgia Hardstark? You're never right.
16:46 Karen Kilgariff? Guys, as much as we love doing this podcast, it's not like we're that interested in it.
16:51 Georgia Hardstark? There was a great, there was a Rolling Stone article. Thank you very much, Rolling Stone.
16:55 Karen Kilgariff? Oh, that's right.
16:56 Georgia Hardstark? That said, like, they're not big on facts. There's a, they say themselves, there's a reason they're in the comedy category.
17:02 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah, but hey, guess what, Rolling Stone? You can, you can throw stones at glass houses all you want, but you spelled my name right at the top of the article and misspelled it in the middle. So guess what? You can go fuck yourself.
17:14 Georgia Hardstark? Yeah, go fuck yourself. We, we were way off when we started this podcast by two people who are very complicated, for some reason, last names.
17:22 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah, very, uh, compound.
17:25 Georgia Hardstark? So that's just two fucking words that everyone uses on a regular goddamn basis. And yet they just don't go next to each other, according to everyone in the fucking world.
17:31 Karen Kilgariff? And I understand- Mine are the combinations of ours.
17:36 Georgia Hardstark? Yeah.
17:36 Karen Kilgariff? There's, it's a question that no one's ever gotten.
17:38 Georgia Hardstark? Did you see it once and you read it and you're like, that's, that's how you read it?
17:42 Karen Kilgariff? It, well, if you're a copy editor and you check it once, you better get the second one.
17:47 Georgia Hardstark? And they never got covered by Rolling Stone.
17:49 Karen Kilgariff? Bye.
17:52 Karen Kilgariff? That's called biting the hand that feeds you. And so, this is how we do it.
17:58 Georgia Hardstark? Ta ta ta ta, I'll give it up. All right.
18:00 Karen Kilgariff? My first hometown murder is from someone named Charlotte. And she says, hi, Georgia and Karen. I absolutely love the show. I have told my sister about your podcast and she is now a huge fan also.
18:10 Georgia Hardstark? Thank you.
18:11 Karen Kilgariff? Thank you. If you have a sister and you haven't told her yet.
18:13 Georgia Hardstark? Oh.
18:14 Karen Kilgariff? Come on.
18:15 Georgia Hardstark? It'll bring you guys together.
18:16 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah.
18:16 Georgia Hardstark? Instead of being mad at her for throwing a Barbie at your head when you were six. Lee, Lee Hardstark.
18:22 Karen Kilgariff? Lee Hardstark, that's going out to you.
18:24 Georgia Hardstark? Then everything's fine.
18:25 Karen Kilgariff? Instead of being mad at her for, uh, for chasing you down the hallway and beating you with a brush. Laura, kill Gareth all my life.
18:34 Georgia Hardstark? We should have our sisters do an episode one, one week.
18:37 Karen Kilgariff? My sister does not listen to this and every time she's like, if people keep telling me, like she went to her high school reunion, she's like, oh my God, people were telling me they like your podcast, but I don't even understand what you're doing. Like she brings a, a level of disdain to everything.
18:52 Georgia Hardstark? If they can't, if your family can't watch it on TV and see your name on television, they don't think you're succeeding.
18:57 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't count.
18:59 Georgia Hardstark? No.
18:59 Karen Kilgariff? All we have are you guys who listen and love, hopefully.
19:02 Georgia Hardstark? Thanks, guys.
19:03 Karen Kilgariff? Or listen and judge. I'll take anything.
19:06 Georgia Hardstark? Love and judge, same thing.
19:07 Karen Kilgariff? Whatever. All right. So she said, many of the things you say are thoughts I have, but nobody, but nobody to really tell them to. Yeah. That would understand in parentheses. So when I first listened to your podcast, I was like, oh my God, there are others out there. That's exactly right, Charlotte. I grew up in a small town of about 4,200 south of Kansas City, Missouri. My sister babysat for a wonderful family. And when she went to college, I then filled in for her. So this would have been in 1979 or 1980. I was 13 or 14 years old. Oh, she'd like Stranger Things. That's her jam.
19:42 Georgia Hardstark? For sure.
19:43 Karen Kilgariff? Sometimes my mom would come over and visit while I was babysitting, just swing by and say hi, chat for a bit. This particular night, my mom came over and by the time she left to go home, it was dark around 10:30 or so. I thought I heard a car door and thinking it was the couple I was babysitting for, I went and turned the front porch light on for them. They didn't come in. And so I thought, okay, I guess that was just another car in the neighborhood. It was around 11:30 or 12:00 when I got home and the husband of the couple took me home. Around 2:00 AM, my dad-
20:13 Georgia Hardstark? Now that's creepy.
20:14 Karen Kilgariff? Now that's creepy. Around 2:00 AM, my dad comes in my room and wakes me up and says that there are two high rate patrol officers downstairs and they want to talk to me.
20:24 Georgia Hardstark? Just spread my face right now.
20:25 Karen Kilgariff? What the fuck? Georgia's eyes are as wide as they possibly could be and she looks legitimately scared.
20:31 Georgia Hardstark? I'm so excited.
20:32 Karen Kilgariff? My first thought was, oh my God, something happened to one of the kids in their sleep or something like that. They told us that the next door neighbor, Lyle Norman, and then in parentheses, is it okay to give names?
20:43 Georgia Hardstark? Yes.
20:44 Karen Kilgariff? But yes, because, yes. Because this is now a case. The next door neighbor, Lyle Norman of the house I was babysitting at, she means next door to the house she was babysitting at, had just been murdered in his house the same time I was babysitting next door.
21:00 Georgia Hardstark? That wasn't a car door.
21:02 Karen Kilgariff? And asked if I heard or saw anything strange. Come to find out, the man, Lyle, had just been on a cruise and stopped by a bar or casino or something and picked up a guy and brought him home. Sorry, trying to type this with two cats prancing back and forth on my computer.
21:18 Georgia Hardstark? I get it.
21:19 Karen Kilgariff? All right. It doesn't. Anyway, this guy stabbed Lyle, killing him and probably robbed him. And they think he left around the 10:30 ish time when I heard the car door, thinking it was the couple I was babysitting for when I turned the front porch.
21:34 Georgia Hardstark? Wow.
21:35 Karen Kilgariff? I'm really glad I didn't go outside and see if it was the couple or not. And I was just so thankful my mom hadn't run into the crazy guy when she went out to her car and that the kids were okay. That was so sad to hear Lyle been murdered. I think they ended up catching the guy. But if you search Lyle Norman Butler, Missouri, the story should pop up.
21:54 Georgia Hardstark? That's a murderer's name. No, wait.
21:57 Karen Kilgariff? No, he's the victim.
21:58 Georgia Hardstark? Anyways, that's what I meant.
21:59 Karen Kilgariff? It sounds like a victim. And then she's got a second one. You want me to read it?
22:05 Georgia Hardstark? I don't, yes.
22:06 Karen Kilgariff? One other quick story. My husband at the time and I and my daughter lived out in the country in an old house in an area where a battle occurred during the Civil War time. And my husband worked nights, so I let my daughter sleep with me in the middle of the night. I hear one of her music boxes fucking playing. That's what she wrote. Fucking playing. It had been played long enough that it woke me up and I was a pretty heavy sleeper back then. I'm flipping out, but laid really still in case it was someone robbing us or something. But then I thought, why would somebody wind up a music box? A minute or two later, I hear something fall on the ground in the other room. I lay awake forever, didn't want to leave my daughter alone in bed and had my hand on this heavy lamp in case I needed it to protect me and she with it.
22:50 Karen Kilgariff? The next morning, I slowly walk into the next room where there's a sturdy coat rack that had a shelf above it that had books and heavy flower pot on it. The books were on the ground. The flower pot was still on the shelf. There wasn't any way the cat could have gotten on this shelf. Then I go to my daughter's bedroom and see where her music boxes were. They were all on a shelf that went along one wall and the shelf was up near the ceiling and an adult could reach it with a chair, but she couldn't have reached it and hadn't played with them in forever. Then we find a piece of raw chicken on a paper plate on the kitchen counter and none of us put it there.
23:26 Georgia Hardstark? What? No!
23:26 Karen Kilgariff? I'm going to say ghost. A friend built a house down the road years later and said they walked in their living room one evening and an old woman was sitting in the rocking chair.
23:36 Georgia Hardstark? Bye Karen. It was nice knowing you.
23:38 Karen Kilgariff? No doubt the area is haunted.
23:40 Georgia Hardstark? Raw chicken though. That's like, that suddenly took a turn for the.
23:43 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah, raw chicken is, yeah, I'm not, maybe it was a cat. Maybe it was a really, really, really smart cat that loved music.
23:51 Georgia Hardstark? Do you know, oh, go on, sorry.
23:53 Karen Kilgariff? She just ends it by saying, last crazy thing, if you Google people in the 1800s posing with dead bodies. Holy shit, that's fucked up. Anyway, take care, stay safe. Thanks for letting me share. Charlotte.
24:06 Georgia Hardstark? She's good.
24:07 Karen Kilgariff? Good job, Charlotte.
24:08 Georgia Hardstark? Did I ever tell you, so I totally don't believe in ghosts. If they exist, fine, I'm not going to argue it. But when I was a little kid, I was in bed, I had insomnia, it was like, I woke up like three in the morning, I was lying there in bed and I saw, and we had like a, um, we had like a closet that like on roller doors.
24:25 Karen Kilgariff? Yes.
24:25 Georgia Hardstark? And one just opened, one of the closets just opened.
24:28 Karen Kilgariff? While you were lying there looking at it?
24:30 Georgia Hardstark? I wouldn't have cats yet, because my parents were still married and that wasn't a thing yet. So like, I just got all the courage in my life and ran to my parents' room. But I totally saw the, I saw it open.
24:41 Karen Kilgariff? Oh my God.
24:46 Georgia Hardstark? Okay, we're back.
24:48 Karen Kilgariff? No updates on Charlotte's story. Charlotte, if you're listening, that's on you. You should have dropped us a line. Keep us posted now if you have anything else to tell us about your story.
24:58 Georgia Hardstark? We need updates.
24:59 Karen Kilgariff? But thank you, Charlotte, because you were one of the early people that were like, oh, you want a story? I'll, I'll take some time and send it in.
25:05 Georgia Hardstark? This is exactly what you want. You heard a sound, it meant nothing at the time, and then it turned out it meant fucking everything. And here's the story behind it. Like, that is exactly what we want.
25:15 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah. Any sound stories?
25:17 Georgia Hardstark? What does the sound mean?
25:19 Karen Kilgariff? Okay, now here's, uh, Georgia's First Hometown from Samantha M.
25:26 Karen Kilgariff? Okay, now you go.
25:27 Georgia Hardstark? Okay, I'm gonna start, I'm gonna, here's what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna start, I'm gonna start mellow to keep you motherfuckers to stay around. Because sometimes I'll read, I'll like tune into these podcasts, it's like a listener shit, and I'm like, oh, that's gonna be boring. I came here to listen to you guys talk.
25:41 Karen Kilgariff? Right.
25:42 Georgia Hardstark? So no, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go slow.
25:44 Karen Kilgariff? So wait, so you're starting, you're in fear that people will think it's boring, you're starting mellow?
25:50 Georgia Hardstark? Is that, you wanna, you wanna catch them, and they're all good. Okay, all right, I'm gonna, I'm gonna start good.
25:56 Karen Kilgariff? I'm not questioning you, I'm just clarifying.
25:58 Georgia Hardstark? You are, but you are correct.
26:00 Karen Kilgariff? Okay, okay, okay.
26:01 Georgia Hardstark? I just want to say, but it's correct. So Samantha M. says, so I have one of the creepiest hometown murder stories. At first, it never occurred to me, then I remembered this horrible quadruple murder that happened while growing up. I went to elementary, elementary, junior and high school with these identical twins. They were a grade older than me, so I never had a class with them, but it wouldn't have mattered anyway. They didn't associate with anyone from school, didn't go to parties, weren't allowed to go to dances, and didn't even speak to anyone besides each other.
26:33 Karen Kilgariff? Ew.
26:34 Georgia Hardstark? They ate lunch alone at a table to themselves.
26:36 Karen Kilgariff? Identical twins.
26:37 Georgia Hardstark? Identical twins. They were of Middle Eastern descent, so I assumed their parents were simply strict. The odd thing about them, however, is that they dressed, and this is in all caps, "identical" every single day, the entire time I knew them. This beginning from kindergarten to graduation. And when I say identical, I mean everything from their hair braids to their watches, socks, and shoes matched. Never missed a day. We know where this is going. It was golden retriever.
27:05 Georgia Hardstark? They were both golden retrievers.
27:08 Karen Kilgariff? You know, golden retrievers love to match.
27:12 Georgia Hardstark? It was two golden retrievers on each other's shoulders with a trench coat. Anyways, we all graduated and never saw them again. Their parents were very wealthy. They lived in this gated community in the mansions of San Clemente. That's Orange County, where I'm from, very rich people, where their mom's best friend lives. I actually, where my mom's best friend lives. I actually did my pictures for my wedding and got ready at her house, the mom's house, because it's so beautiful and overlooks the ocean. The girls were still living at home and attending college when this happened. Family members approached the police, saying that they hadn't heard from the girls and their parents for a while, and it was unusual. The police did a perimeter search and stated that maybe they had gone on vacation. Yeah, wrong. Per protocol, they were not allowed to break in yet. The next
27:57 Georgia Hardstark? week, the family pestered the police again, stating that this was highly unusual for them not to let anyone know they had left. I believe it was two or more perimeter checks before police finally broke in, at which time the smell was so bad, they had, they had to have people come in with scuba masks.
28:13 Karen Kilgariff? Oh, no.
28:14 Georgia Hardstark? The bodies were so badly decomposed, it took a while to find the cause of death, but they were able to determine that the entire family was wearing black. No evidence of a struggle was present. The girls were lying next to each other in bed. The grandmother was on a... Lounge chair and the parents were in their closet. Eventually they determined the girls and grandmother died of a prescription drug overdose. And the parents went in the closet where their mother shot the husband, where the mother shot the husband and then killed herself.
28:42 Karen Kilgariff? Oh my.
28:42 Georgia Hardstark? The whole thing was super creepy and made me realize how you never really know what goes on in a person's life behind closed doors. I feel bad for what kind of lives these girls must have had in spite of their outward facade of money and privilege. Hope to hear more of you guys.
28:56 Karen Kilgariff? Oh.
28:57 Georgia Hardstark? Thank you Samantha, that's so sad.
29:00 Karen Kilgariff? Samantha, that's intense. Although I have to say, I understand what she means by saying you never know what goes on behind closed doors. But I think you had a slight indication with people who dressed exactly like each other from kindergarten to high, through high school.
29:16 Georgia Hardstark? And if I had twins, one of their heads would be shaved their entire life.
29:20 Karen Kilgariff? Done the other.
29:21 Georgia Hardstark? That's a good idea. I would never cut their hair.
29:23 Karen Kilgariff? That's a good idea.
29:24 Georgia Hardstark? Right?
29:24 Karen Kilgariff? And they'd be fine.
29:25 Georgia Hardstark? The girl. Yeah. And then they'd psychologically be fine from then on out.
29:29 Karen Kilgariff? If you scar them early, nothing else can hurt them.
29:32 Georgia Hardstark? Right, because they don't know any different. All you have to scar.
29:35 Karen Kilgariff? It's, it was like a mini Heaven's Gate.
29:37 Georgia Hardstark? Yeah.
29:38 Karen Kilgariff? That's so intense.
29:40 Georgia Hardstark? It is weird, you know, and you think, I, I do this a lot where I think back to kids I went to elementary school with and I'm like, oh man, I bet you had so fucked, like your shit was real fucked up.
29:49 Karen Kilgariff? And you, I just thank God that I was so ignorant.
29:53 Georgia Hardstark? Yeah.
29:53 Karen Kilgariff? And just, I thought, well, back then I thought everyone had the life I had. I remember asking my teacher, our Ellen Lesher, who was my grammar school teacher and family friend.
30:05 Georgia Hardstark? So sad.
30:06 Karen Kilgariff? I, she put me to bed one night when she was over having dinner with my parents. And I wanted her to come and tuck me in. And so she said, do you, like, she asked me if I had any question I could ask, she told me I could ask her anything. She did an AMA with me. She did an analog AMA.
30:25 Georgia Hardstark? Oh my God.
30:25 Karen Kilgariff? And, and I asked her, I said, there's a little girl in my class, let's just say her name was Sarah Jane. And I said, why is Sarah Jane's face always dirty? And I was saying it like, cause I thought, you know, she was gonna give me some answer. And she said, because she doesn't have anybody to clean it for her. And as a fourth grader, I, I just started crying in my bed. I had no idea. I had no idea that anybody would live that way.
30:51 Georgia Hardstark? No.
30:52 Karen Kilgariff? And that, I mean, that's how intensely privileged and like, and, um, you know, sheltered I was. Yes.
31:01 Georgia Hardstark? I know that Robert, this kid in my class, like everyone made fun of him because he smelled bad and wore the same clothes all the time. And I'm like, oh, your mom was a hoarder and couldn't have her. Like, I clearly understand now that like, it wasn't your fucking choice to be like that. And you got made fun of and it's, I hope he's okay.
31:17 Karen Kilgariff? Well, that's, yeah, and kids don't have a choice. Like, that's, that's the one good thing. I always make jokes about like, we need to bring bullying back, but I am totally joking, uh, in that way that like, kids don't, kids get attacked.
31:30 Georgia Hardstark? Yeah.
31:31 Karen Kilgariff? By other kids for things that they, that are not their fault.
31:34 Georgia Hardstark? Yeah.
31:34 Karen Kilgariff? And it really sucks because it's a thing they're already suffering by.
31:37 Georgia Hardstark? Yeah. I got it. I got it. And I did it to other people. Like, as much as I want to be like, I was a nerd and made fun of a lot. Like, well, I deflected my, my shit by making fun of other people. Like, I wasn't better than the popular kids making fun of me. Like.
31:52 Karen Kilgariff? Then you shouldn't have a podcast.
31:56 Karen Kilgariff? Well, no, I was, I, same here. And that's because it's mob rules. You don't want to be the target. You have to make sure someone else stays the target. So it's not you.
32:04 Georgia Hardstark? I wish I'm, I was like Matilda or like those kids in movies where you're like, they stand up for, for kids who are underdogs and make friends with them. And it's like, no, I was kind of a dick too.
32:13 Karen Kilgariff? I mean, that's the majority of people, I think.
32:16 Georgia Hardstark? All we can do now is have a great podcast.
32:19 Karen Kilgariff? That's the only thing we can do.
32:21 Georgia Hardstark? All we can do now is podcast to the world.
32:27 Georgia Hardstark? Oh yeah, this one was so sad. Yeah. And heartbreaking. Yeah. And so true about not knowing what goes on behind closed doors in people's lives. No matter what facade they put up, you just never know. Yeah, it's, um, I mean, I was just thinking, it's bad. It may get worse on this next one. Yeah. That we go into. Okay, this is Karen's second hometown from Charissa.
32:54 Georgia Hardstark? The holidays are coming, which means we'll all be spending more time away from home.
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36:17 Georgia Hardstark? Goodbye.
36:20 Georgia Hardstark? Okay, Karen, you go.
36:21 Karen Kilgariff? Charissa sent us this. It says, hello ladies. I started listening. I have very sibilant s's. I've noticed this lately on the podcast.
36:28 Georgia Hardstark? You went in the where?
36:29 Karen Kilgariff? This is not Clarissa. This is me talking. My s's are very sharp.
36:33 Georgia Hardstark? S? Is it because mine are soft?
36:36 Karen Kilgariff? No, no, I think it's because my teeth are floating and moving around in my mouth.
36:40 Georgia Hardstark? That's a creep.
36:41 Karen Kilgariff? So there's some kind of, like, I keep, anyway.
36:45 Karen Kilgariff? There's, there's a new level.
36:47 Georgia Hardstark? Vocabulary corner.
36:47 Karen Kilgariff? There's a new level of self-consciousness.
36:50 Georgia Hardstark? Oh, for sure.
36:51 Karen Kilgariff? That I need to get rid of because who gives a fuck?
36:53 Georgia Hardstark? Oh, my God.
36:54 Karen Kilgariff? At the end of the day.
36:54 Georgia Hardstark? It's just you and I.
36:56 Karen Kilgariff? I know.
36:56 Georgia Hardstark? It's just you and I.
36:58 Karen Kilgariff? And my s's. Hello, ladies. I just started listening to your podcast this week and I haven't gotten all the way through the episodes yet, so I hope this isn't a duplicate. So do I, Clarissa. Anyway, I have not one but two hometown murders for you. The first one is just plain horrifying. It happened in a house that is almost directly across the street from me, and the killer was Megan Huntsman. She has been charged with killing and hiding six newborn babies in her garage.
37:26 Georgia Hardstark? Oh, fuck.
37:27 Karen Kilgariff? Somehow, and I'm still trying to figure this out, she managed to hide seven pregnancies over a decade. She never went to the hospital. No one knew what was going on. Apparently, she would give birth, strangle or suffocate the baby, wrap bodies in garbage bags, store the box in her garage. She left the corpses when she moved away.
37:48 Georgia Hardstark? What in the shit?
37:49 Karen Kilgariff? The police found seven dead babies, but only six had been murdered. The last one was born stillborn. Her husband is the one who found the corpses.
37:59 Georgia Hardstark? Oh, he didn't even know two?
38:01 Karen Kilgariff? He had spent eight years in prison for drugs, and when he got out, he went to the house to clear it out and get ready for the rent, get it ready for rental. And he said the garbage smelled, garage smelled horrible. And he had a friend help him clean out the garage to figure out what, where the smell was coming from. What I don't get is the fact that he was there in the house with her during the times those babies were born and subsequently murdered. Well, it doesn't sound like he was if he was in jail, in prison for eight years.
38:28 Georgia Hardstark? Whose babies were they?
38:29 Karen Kilgariff? Well, yeah, I mean, that might be why she had to kill them. But Jesus Christ, he claims he had no idea she was pregnant or had babies, and the police decided not to charge her with anything. She pled guilty to six counts of murder and has been sentenced to life in prison. She has three surviving children. Oh, no. Oh, that's the scariest thing I ever read.
38:48 Georgia Hardstark? Intense therapy immediately.
38:50 Karen Kilgariff? And claimed she was too addicted to meth to take care of more.
38:54 Georgia Hardstark? Isn't it funny how many like fucking together people are trying so hard to have a goddamn baby and then these fucking people who have meth and kill the babies?
39:04 Karen Kilgariff? Oh, yee.
39:05 Georgia Hardstark? Six in a row.
39:06 Karen Kilgariff? Anyway, that's my hometown murder story. Hope you enjoyed it. Thanks, Clarissa.
39:10 Georgia Hardstark? Bye.
39:11 Karen Kilgariff? I'm sorry, I keep saying Clarissa. It's Charissa. Charissa with an H. That was intense. That was crazy.
39:19 Georgia Hardstark? Hmm.
39:20 Karen Kilgariff? Also, she didn't, she didn't include two stories. It was just one.
39:23 Georgia Hardstark? That's, that's enough.
39:24 Karen Kilgariff? We love you, Charissa.
39:29 Georgia Hardstark? Okay, we're back. Karen, any updates on this case?
39:32 Karen Kilgariff? There actually is one. Meghan Huntsman's first parole hearing is slated for April of 2064.
39:39 Georgia Hardstark? Oh, wow. Wow. So I guess keep an eye here?
39:42 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah, watch the space.
39:44 Georgia Hardstark? Sure, we're gonna be so old.
39:46 Karen Kilgariff? Okay, so now we're gonna do some back to backs. Georgia's going to tell Leonard's hometown about the killer dentist, and then I tell Cody's hometown.
39:56 Georgia Hardstark? All right, this is from Leonard. Leonard? What's up, Leonard? So my hometown murder story happened in my high school days. I was coming home from a basketball practice later than I normally would have, and as I came to the corner to walk to my block, I see half a dozen cop cars surrounding my best friend's house. Lights are flashing everywhere, and I see my friend in the back of one car, his brother in another car, I'm assuming it means cop cars, and on the stairs leading up to the house, on the opposite corner, a female body not fucking moving. I'm like, what the fuck is going on? So later, I come to find out that my friend's dad eventually got, evidently got into an argument with his wife and began, all caps, stabbing her over and over.
40:40 Georgia Hardstark? My friend was home and tried to save her and fought off his father. I repeat, fought off his father after stabbing his mother, and he took off in his car and escaped. Meanwhile, the mom is still fucking alive and gets out of the house and staggers to the neighbor's house, but collapses before reaching the door and, all caps, dies. Dies at the neighbor's stairs. Jesus. So yeah, first and only time seeing a dead body, not at a funeral. So my friend and his brother eventually get cleared and released, and the media picks up on the murder and calls him the killer dentist. And then he says, guess what his job was? And he's a fugitive for like three to four days. So dad is fucking gone.
41:23 Georgia Hardstark? Then news breaks that he was found in the next state over, committed suicide in a motel and left a note.
41:28 Karen Kilgariff? Oh, no.
41:29 Georgia Hardstark? Memory is fuzzy, but he and his wife were separating and he had been sleeping on the couch for some time. And what I clearly remember though, was me, my friend and his dad, soon to be murdered murderer, eating at fucking Chili's like a week before it went down. And to be a goddamn cliche, I honestly did not see it coming. He was the nicest guy, et cetera, et cetera.
41:51 Karen Kilgariff? Oh, man.
41:52 Georgia Hardstark? He wrote et cetera, et cetera. So yeah, friend and his brother moved to Florida to live with extended family and it's nearly a decade before they moved back home. That story was legit true. Feel free to check it out. Late 90s, early 2000s. Leonard, I believe you. I'd love to know what you guys, what you think, even if you don't read it on your show exclamation mark. Well, guess what, Leonard? But if you do, give me a heads up. I'm weird and I'm listening to your old shows from episode one on again. Thanks to reading and don't get murdered.
42:20 Karen Kilgariff? Wow.
42:21 Georgia Hardstark? Thanks, Leonard.
42:22 Karen Kilgariff? Leonard sat at Chili's with a fucking murder.
42:25 Georgia Hardstark? I didn't know what he ate. Is that weird?
42:26 Karen Kilgariff? Well.
42:27 Georgia Hardstark? Blooming Onion, is that there?
42:28 Karen Kilgariff? Uh, is Blooming Onion Outback Steakhouse? Well, because that reminds me, the, um, the dentist.
42:36 Georgia Hardstark? The killer dentist. Guess what his?
42:38 Karen Kilgariff? Guess what his profession was?
42:40 Georgia Hardstark? One of us.
42:41 Karen Kilgariff? Oh, this is a good one. Okay. This is from Cody. Um, and the, the title, the subject line is all the way from Australia. Hello, Govna.
42:53 Georgia Hardstark? That's not how it's on there. Sorry.
42:55 Karen Kilgariff? Sorry there, Cody. Hi ladies. Hey ladies. I love your podcast. In Australia during the sixties, we had a lot of child murders.
43:03 Georgia Hardstark? Australia is legit with murders. I said that to someone recently that was from Australia. I was like, you guys have a lot of great murders. And they were like, what?
43:10 Karen Kilgariff? They were like, goodbye.
43:11 Georgia Hardstark? Bye.
43:13 Karen Kilgariff? On the day Neil Armstrong took a step on the moon, um, well, the TV aired a man walking on the moon. Could be a sound studio, could be real life. I'm not making any claims.
43:23 Georgia Hardstark? This is not that podcast.
43:25 Karen Kilgariff? Awesome. Um, two children, Shane Spiller and Yvonne Tuie, went on a picnic. A man jumped out, grabbed Tuie. Spiller was able to fight him off with a hatchet and run away to get help.
43:38 Georgia Hardstark? Why did he have a hatchet?
43:40 Karen Kilgariff? They were on an axe picnic? I don't know. He was able to describe the car and a naval sticker on the car. It was too late, though, as they had found Tuie's body horrifically murdered. The cops then drove to the naval base with Spiller in the car and Spiller ID'd the car. The police entered the naval base and found Derek Percy literally red-handed, washing his bloody clothes. This guy is linked to multiple child murders and he is considered one of Australia's worst serial killers.
44:12 Georgia Hardstark? Holy shit.
44:13 Karen Kilgariff? Derek Percy. Got to look him up. D E R E C K. Anywho, flash forward to 2002.
44:20 Georgia Hardstark? Dateline.
44:22 Karen Kilgariff? Thousands of kilometers away, whatever that means. Thousands of kilometers away. Spiller had been living close to my home in a very small, close-knit community for ages. Then, and he then suddenly disappeared in 2002 and has not been heard of since.
44:38 Georgia Hardstark? And this is the witness?
44:40 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah, it's the survivor of those two children.
44:42 Georgia Hardstark? He was fucked up.
44:43 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah. He probably just got discovered there and was like, see you later.
44:47 Georgia Hardstark? Bye.
44:48 Karen Kilgariff? Google search Derek Percy. He is linked to so many child murders. Most notably, he had a notebook with the beach that the three Beaumont siblings went missing at circled.
44:59 Georgia Hardstark? I've always wanted to do the Beaumont siblings, but it's so, it goes nowhere.
45:03 Karen Kilgariff? It goes nowhere. It's they, it's three kids who walked to the beach very close to their house, something they did all the time. And it was in the seventies, right?
45:12 Georgia Hardstark? But they, they were seen talking to like a young surfer guy.
45:16 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah.
45:17 Georgia Hardstark? And then they just fucking off the face of the earth disappeared.
45:19 Karen Kilgariff? And never heard from, no trace.
45:21 Georgia Hardstark? Three of them, like a girl and two boys. I, I don't know.
45:24 Karen Kilgariff? I think.
45:25 Georgia Hardstark? It was, there was a girl and there were boys. I don't know.
45:27 Karen Kilgariff? Yes, yes, yes. I had the same exact feeling about that case where I, I think that podcast that has a girl and two guys.
45:36 Georgia Hardstark? Oh, not genera, I always think it's Generation Y, but it's, um.
45:40 Karen Kilgariff? Shoot.
45:41 Georgia Hardstark? Fuck.
45:41 Karen Kilgariff? They're, I think they're out of Portland. They did a really good one.
45:45 Georgia Hardstark? Yeah.
45:46 Karen Kilgariff? On this, I'm pretty sure. Anyway, sorry, guys.
45:49 Georgia Hardstark? I feel like we need to look this up to like give them a shout out.
45:51 Karen Kilgariff? It's like, what in the, what do you know? It's like a question phrase?
45:55 Georgia Hardstark? It's totally, and that's why I think it's Generation Y all the time, but it's not.
45:59 Karen Kilgariff? Uh, I'll read the rest of this while you look that up. Also, it came out that his mother is an upstanding citizen who destroyed evidence for him. Oh, that mother and son bond, cute. Parentheses, fuck, fucking douchebag. Love you guys. P.S. Yes, I'm a girl, even though my name sounds like a dude's name.
46:16 Georgia Hardstark? Thank you, dude.
46:17 Karen Kilgariff? Cody, that was an awesome email.
46:20 Georgia Hardstark? Very awesome.
46:21 Karen Kilgariff? Very awesome. I love that. Derek, I'm looking up Derek Percy.
46:25 Georgia Hardstark? I'm looking up.
46:26 Karen Kilgariff? That's a really good one.
46:27 Georgia Hardstark? I'm looking at, I'm here I am, looking at things.
46:30 Karen Kilgariff? Here I am.
46:31 Georgia Hardstark? Here I am.
46:32 Karen Kilgariff? Um.
46:33 Georgia Hardstark? Son of a cunt. What is it? Son of a cunt. That's a new one. Um.
46:41 Georgia Hardstark? Everyone's yelling it at home and I'm so sorry.
46:43 Karen Kilgariff? You know what? We'll find it by the end.
46:45 Georgia Hardstark? Okay.
46:45 Karen Kilgariff? What if we do that way?
46:46 Georgia Hardstark? We'll Instagram it.
46:47 Karen Kilgariff? Yes. So you read yours and then I'll, I'll keep looking.
46:50 Georgia Hardstark? It's your turn, Karen.
46:50 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah. No, no, I just read it. I just.
46:53 Georgia Hardstark? No, I mean, it's your turn to look.
46:54 Karen Kilgariff? Oh, okay.
46:54 Georgia Hardstark? Ignore me. You're like, no, I was just, I'm drinking too much Beaujolais.
46:59 Karen Kilgariff? It's your turn.
47:03 Georgia Hardstark? Okay, we're back. I don't know how we have not covered this murderer yet. Like, we need to do this one.
47:10 Karen Kilgariff? I know. There's been a couple of these where I'm like, looking back where I'm like, oh, can't we just pull things out of old episodes where we were like, talking about it once and then putting it aside?
47:18 Georgia Hardstark? Yeah, there's two in this episode that I'm like, these need, Thoracristensen that's coming up. We need to do that one, too.
47:23 Karen Kilgariff? I did it.
47:24 Georgia Hardstark? Well, then there you go.
47:26 Karen Kilgariff? Well, you know, it's funny is, uh, I was looking at that and I was like, that seems familiar. I did it on my favorite weekend when we were in San.
47:34 Georgia Hardstark? That makes complete sense.
47:35 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah, because it was a Soul Fang murder.
47:37 Georgia Hardstark? Okay.
47:38 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah.
47:38 Georgia Hardstark? If it was live, that means I don't remember a moment from that because the adrenaline was just like so high.
47:42 Karen Kilgariff? But remember how fun that My Favorite Weekend was? It was the coolest, like, that was the coolest.
47:48 Georgia Hardstark? It felt so chill.
47:49 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah.
47:49 Georgia Hardstark? Just like we were hanging out with friends.
47:51 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah, all our friends who'd agreed to come and take buses everywhere.
47:57 Georgia Hardstark? I know.
47:58 Karen Kilgariff? To get from place to place.
47:59 Georgia Hardstark? Oh, the podcast we were trying to think of during that episode is called Thinking Sideways. It ended in 2019, but their catalog is still up and you can listen to their episode on the Beaumont children, which, yeah, like, we have to do that story. It's fascinating.
48:12 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah. Okay, here's, next up, Georgia's gonna tell Angie's hometown.
48:18 Georgia Hardstark? All right.
48:19 Karen Kilgariff? It really does.
48:19 Georgia Hardstark? I'm gonna, I'm gonna do a long one.
48:21 Karen Kilgariff? Okay.
48:22 Georgia Hardstark? This is from Angie. She says, "In my hometown when I was 16, there was an entire family murdered by the 17-year-old son. He went to my high school, rode the bus with me when he went to my neighbor's house. Neighbor is loose where I'm from, from country. He lives about two miles away. And the sister he murdered used to hang out in the, quote, 'band hallway' every day, which is why I knew her.
48:46 Georgia Hardstark? My mom was a cop for the city of Grand Rapids. And on her way home that night, she came upon the murder and called me to see if I knew anyone who lived in the house. I was, it was about four miles away from our home and on a very busy road. The murder wasn't in her jurisdiction, but she was a prominent police officer and knew county officers who were. She stopped to help. Naturally, she wouldn't tell me any of the details because she fiercely protected her daughters from the horrible things she saw that they desperately wanted to know about. Upon reflection, maybe this is why I became obsessed with true crime.
49:23 Georgia Hardstark? Lucky for me, I live in a small enough town that rumors spread and details leaked out about the murders from other people who knew the cops that worked the case. The story goes like this. John Seasling, 17 years old, got into a fight with his mother and his sister, Kaitlyn, 14.
49:41 Georgia Hardstark? He claims he blacked out and when he woke up, they were all murdered, including his eight-year-old sister in her bed. And he was covered in blood. He called the police and said that, oh, jeez, here we go. He said, "Two black guys robbed them and murdered his family, but he was able to get away." And then she writes, "Those pesky black guys always committing those mass murders."
50:05 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah.
50:06 Georgia Hardstark? I mean, come the fuck on. Then he confessed to the killings once the police arrived. However, apparently he beat his mother and Caitlin with baseball bats and stabbed them with large kitchen knives. He also apparently, oh, fuck. Ready for this? He also apparently raped his 14-year-old sister with, oh, no, said baseball bat. Cops who worked the murder apparently vomited when they got there and said that it was the worst crime scene they had ever come upon. Blood everywhere. The worst part, and she says, "Maybe it's all pretty horrible, is that he made his youngest sister go lay in her," I don't, and then he did things, he slit her throat. Another pretty awful part is that we heard Caitlin got away from him
50:49 Georgia Hardstark? and ran out into the street, but he dragged her back and they found blood streaks across the ground. The most horrible part about this is that the road they lived on was right by the highway and nearly always busy. No one saw this somehow. He used to have a weird, he used to have weirdo fantasies about coming upon the scene and saving her. No, wait, I'm sorry. "I used to have weirdo fantasies about coming upon the scene and saving her."
51:13 Karen Kilgariff? That's not weirdo, that makes sense.
51:15 Georgia Hardstark? No, that's, those are my fantasies and why I'm going to therapy.
51:18 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah.
51:19 Georgia Hardstark? The murder stayed with me a while. Yeah, school the next day was so eerie and quiet. Everyone knew what happened and everyone had stories about John and Caitlin. John was weird, that much I knew. And in the weeks after the murder, when we all talked about it, I couldn't remember if I actually ever talked to John or not. In my memory now, he used to say weird shit to me on the bus, but honestly, lots of dudes in my, dudes in my small Podeck town were weirdos. We still all talk about the murder and I will still hear new rumors about what he did and why. He always claimed he was abused by both his mother and father and his mother and sister just made him angry. Some people thought it was because he was a Satanist when he admitted to being Wiccan. And other people talked about hearing him say he wanted to kill his family, but no one took him seriously. Just awful.
52:03 Georgia Hardstark? I recently heard 12 years later about the cops vomiting everywhere.
52:09 Georgia Hardstark? The last line in that article is upsetting. He had some advice for people. Don't abuse your children or they might kill you.
52:16 Karen Kilgariff? Well, I mean, he's right.
52:18 Georgia Hardstark? But did they, but did they abuse him?
52:20 Karen Kilgariff? Well, yeah.
52:21 Georgia Hardstark? I feel like if they had abused him, he wouldn't have, he would have just killed them.
52:27 Karen Kilgariff? You mean, instead of raping the sister?
52:28 Georgia Hardstark? Yeah, I feel like the raping of sister and slitting the throat of an eight year old is you're, something's wrong with you.
52:36 Karen Kilgariff? For sure. Yeah, because they didn't abuse him.
52:38 Georgia Hardstark? No, and it has nothing to do with.
52:41 Karen Kilgariff? It's not revenge.
52:42 Georgia Hardstark? It's not revenge.
52:42 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah.
52:43 Georgia Hardstark? It's, it's you just.
52:44 Karen Kilgariff? Or at least it's not revenge in the story you're telling. It's, it doesn't line up.
52:48 Georgia Hardstark? It doesn't.
52:49 Karen Kilgariff? Fuck, that's intense.
52:51 Georgia Hardstark? Did you find it?
52:52 Karen Kilgariff? I did. It's Thinking Sideways.
52:53 Georgia Hardstark? Thinking Sideways.
52:54 Karen Kilgariff? It's Steve, Devin and Joe's podcast, Thinking Sideways. It's a really good, if you like, here's the thing. If you like facts, if you like really well researched stories and deeply researched stories, this is your podcast.
53:08 Georgia Hardstark? Thinking Sideways. But also opinions.
53:11 Karen Kilgariff? Yes.
53:12 Georgia Hardstark? They all have opinions, which is fun.
53:14 Karen Kilgariff? Well, it's a really good discussion because it kind, it seems like they do it the way we do it where like the, I listened to a couple and it's like people, they ask each other questions as they talk through the case.
53:24 Georgia Hardstark? The one guy who sounds like a radio host from the 40s.
53:28 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah.
53:28 Georgia Hardstark? Is amazing.
53:29 Karen Kilgariff? I don't know who's who.
53:30 Georgia Hardstark? I don't either.
53:31 Karen Kilgariff? It's a really good podcast, though.
53:33 Georgia Hardstark? I'm Georgia and that's Karen. In case you don't know who's whom.
53:38 Karen Kilgariff? Okay.
53:39 Georgia Hardstark? You want to go, why don't, should we both do one more?
53:41 Karen Kilgariff? Sure.
53:42 Georgia Hardstark? We're at 50 minutes.
53:43 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll each do one more.
53:44 Georgia Hardstark? Okay.
53:48 Georgia Hardstark? All right, we're out of that. Do you have a case update on this one?
53:51 Karen Kilgariff? I actually do. So in 2022, the state Supreme Court ruled that sentencing minors to life without parole violates the state constitution. And since John was 17, when he was convicted, he became eligible for resentencing. So in 2023, he was resentenced to spend 40 to 60 years behind bars, which means the earliest he'll be eligible for release is 2043. Okay, so here are the final stories from this episode, starting with Karen sharing Molly's hometown, as well as my storytelling, Kylene's hometown.
54:25 Karen Kilgariff? All right, ready?
54:26 Georgia Hardstark? Yeah.
54:27 Karen Kilgariff? Molly, subject line, axe murders. Yay. Okay, so I literally started listening this morning. The show is amazing. I love true crime. I think you guys are really funny. I wanted to share my hometown murder with you, too. So in 1988, in Rochester, Minnesota, that's MN, right?
54:45 Georgia Hardstark? Axe.
54:46 Karen Kilgariff? Oh.
54:46 Georgia Hardstark? You know, I didn't say that. I didn't say the initials of the, um, the last Grand Rapids, Michigan. Yeah, because I wasn't sure.
54:54 Karen Kilgariff? Because you were afraid?
54:55 Georgia Hardstark? That's where my husband's from. Anyway. I'm the worst.
54:58 Karen Kilgariff? It's the fear that's keeping us from.
55:00 Georgia Hardstark? It's fear. It's fear. It's all it is.
55:02 Karen Kilgariff? I'm pretty sure MN is Minnesota.
55:05 Georgia Hardstark? Yeah.
55:05 Karen Kilgariff? Uh, in Rochester, Minnesota. This 16 year old named David Brom killed his mom, dad, little sister, and little brother.
55:13 Georgia Hardstark? Axe, man.
55:13 Karen Kilgariff? He got in a fight with his dad over the music he listened to. David was a goth kid going to Catholic school.
55:20 Georgia Hardstark? What was he listening? It was like something stupid. We were like, they're not even that good.
55:22 Karen Kilgariff? What was it? 808 State? His dad told him not to listen to whatever music he was listening to, and David got pissed. When most of his family was sleeping, his older brother Joe wasn't home that night. He took an axe from the basement and attacked his family. If I remember correctly, he killed his dad first. His mom woke up at one point. His mom had defensive wounds on her arms from the axe. David went to school the next day bragging to his friends about what he did. When no one could find him later on, his friends went to school administration. They, um, they in turn called the cops, who went into the home, found the dead bodies. They didn't find David until, um, the evening, two miles from the school, in a phone booth
56:05 Karen Kilgariff? at the post office, less than a mile from the house I grew up in.
56:09 Georgia Hardstark? Was he just hanging out?
56:11 Karen Kilgariff? Uh, it doesn't say.
56:12 Georgia Hardstark? I bet he was dead.
56:13 Karen Kilgariff? I wasn't alive during this time, but my dad, my dad called my mom at least a couple of times to make sure she was okay during the manhunt.
56:21 Georgia Hardstark? He was just in the phone booth? He wa- I thought he killed himself in the phone booth.
56:24 Karen Kilgariff? No, no, no, no. He was just, he was trying to make calls or something. They basically found him there.
56:27 Georgia Hardstark? Okay.
56:28 Karen Kilgariff? Um, so it was a manhunt. And the last thing there was, it was terrifying. David is still in prison and is eligible for parole in 2041. His brother Joe has passed away in the past couple of years, so he doesn't have any family left. I honestly don't think he'll be released from prison, but stranger things have happened. Sorry this was so long. Wanted to share. Love the show. Molly.
56:49 Georgia Hardstark? That wasn't long, Molly.
56:50 Karen Kilgariff? It was not long. Uh, what is it with these? That's, there's a couple of these kind of stories of like teenage boys, teenage boys trying to deal with all their chemicals.
57:01 Georgia Hardstark? Chemicals.
57:02 Karen Kilgariff? Outside and in.
57:03 Georgia Hardstark? Hormones, anger, especially back in the, I feel like there was such a switch from the baby, baby boomers to like the Gen Xers and that that was like, there was not, they didn't understand each other.
57:16 Karen Kilgariff? No, not at all.
57:17 Georgia Hardstark? And they didn't tolerate each other.
57:19 Karen Kilgariff? And I will say, as a person growing up in the eighties, boys, at least at my school, got the shit beaten out of them every single day.
57:26 Georgia Hardstark? Yeah.
57:26 Karen Kilgariff? There were some bullies at my school that were downright terrifying.
57:29 Georgia Hardstark? And it was, and like hitting your spankings and belt whippings were like you being a good parent.
57:36 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah.
57:37 Georgia Hardstark? I got fucking spanked with wooden spoons.
57:39 Karen Kilgariff? Did you really?
57:40 Georgia Hardstark? Yeah, it sucked. And now I look at my nephews and I'm like, thought of fucking,
57:47 Georgia Hardstark? beating them up with an arm, like hitting them?
57:50 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah.
57:50 Georgia Hardstark? Violence against children to teach them not to do something.
57:53 Karen Kilgariff? But were your parents spanked? Cause a lot of times that's what normalizes it.
57:58 Georgia Hardstark? My dad was definitely abused by his father.
58:02 Karen Kilgariff? Oh.
58:02 Georgia Hardstark? Left the home after he, by punching his father in the face and then walked out at 16 and never came back.
58:09 Karen Kilgariff? Wow.
58:10 Georgia Hardstark? But my mom, I don't, no, my mom wasn't.
58:12 Karen Kilgariff? Wow.
58:13 Georgia Hardstark? But she was the one who spanked us. It's all coming out on my favorite memory.
58:20 Karen Kilgariff? Well, it happened to a lot.
58:21 Georgia Hardstark? My mom and I are friends.
58:22 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah. It happened to so many people. I think because my mom had a super rotten childhood herself. She was, she was like, there's, there was never any hitting.
58:32 Georgia Hardstark? Yeah.
58:33 Karen Kilgariff? And there was always like a, you know, discourse, but yeah.
58:37 Georgia Hardstark? All right, let's do, wait. Okay. Okay. This one's good.
58:42 Karen Kilgariff? Okay.
58:42 Georgia Hardstark? Kailene writes, "This story makes the hair on my arm stand up. Rarely are we confronted with the realization that we so easily could never have been born."
58:53 Karen Kilgariff? Oh.
58:54 Georgia Hardstark? "When she was 20 years old, my mother went on a date with a serial killer. His name was Thor Neil Christiansen, and he murdered several women in Solvang and Isla Vista, California between 1976 and 79."
59:08 Karen Kilgariff? What?
59:09 Georgia Hardstark? Again, fucking Central California, Northern California. Get the fuck out.
59:15 Karen Kilgariff? Solvang is up like wine country, right?
59:17 Georgia Hardstark? It's like two hours from Los Angeles.
59:19 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah.
59:19 Georgia Hardstark? Like right outside of Santa Barbara. It's, it's, it's a Dutch Disneyland, basically.
59:25 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah, it looks like it's for tourists.
59:28 Georgia Hardstark? It's for tourists. There's an alpaca farm. And Isla Vista is like the shitty part of Santa Barbara where all the kids go to college.
59:36 Karen Kilgariff? Oh, okay.
59:36 Georgia Hardstark? Right? All right. So the way she tells the story, and to be honest, she's only told me twice. So once as a warning as a teenager, and then just a few months ago, after plowing her with several glasses of Pinot Grigio. So some details are hazy, is that she was a sorority girl at UCSB in Santa Barbara, living in a studio apartment. One night at a bar, a quote, "surfer-looking guy with blonde hair hid on her, and she agreed to leave with him." Nope. "Her bartender friend pleaded with her not to leave, but she didn't listen." This, the surfer, hold on, the surfer at the bar drove a quote, "super creepy" van, and they climbed in. Oh, the seventies. "After driving around and making out, he suddenly turned down a wave she didn't recognize.
1:00:19 Georgia Hardstark? Eventually, he pulled into a cemetery."
1:00:23 Karen Kilgariff? Oh.
1:00:24 Georgia Hardstark? "It was there. He parked, went back, went to the back of the van and pulled out a suitcase full of women's clothing." He told my mom to put on the clothes and get out of the van. My mother put on the clothes and developed a plan. In a stunning stroke of genius, she said, oh, this is hot. This is so turning me on. And shaking, she led him back to her apartment where she lived alone. Admittedly, this was the flaw in my mother's plan, but thank God she got out of the fucking cemetery.
1:00:55 Karen Kilgariff? Cemetery, yeah.
1:00:56 Georgia Hardstark? She says.
1:00:57 Karen Kilgariff? A hundred percent.
1:00:58 Georgia Hardstark? Once back to her studio, she had led him to her bed and started kissing him, still wearing the creepy clothes. No idea. She picked up a lamp, smashed it over his head and screamed, get the fuck out of my house. And he ran away. Her neighbors all came out of their apartments to see if she was okay. And she said she was, and then she stayed with her sorority sister for a few nights. I don't even know if my dad knows the story, let alone the police. My mother said she never went to anyone and then moved back home to San Diego. So missed when he was captured. She didn't know his name or that he was a serial killer. So in May, when I plowed her with wine to get her to spill the details.
1:01:33 Karen Kilgariff? She means plied her with wine.
1:01:35 Georgia Hardstark? Okay, but please don't, it's not me.
1:01:38 Karen Kilgariff? Okay, okay, I'm just saying.
1:01:39 Georgia Hardstark? She plowed. You're right.
1:01:41 Karen Kilgariff? You get plowed on wine, you ply people with wine.
1:01:44 Georgia Hardstark? I think Kailene and I are like similar people because I swear to God it says plowed.
1:01:48 Karen Kilgariff? I believe you.
1:01:48 Georgia Hardstark? I believed it the whole time and I'm fine with it. Plied her with wine to get her to spill the details because I'm a terrible daughter. I researched it. I'm so embarrassed now, Karen.
1:01:59 Karen Kilgariff? I'm sorry.
1:02:00 Georgia Hardstark? No, it's plied.
1:02:01 Karen Kilgariff? We were just reading it.
1:02:02 Georgia Hardstark? Okay. All right. Originally I thought.
1:02:04 Karen Kilgariff? Just plowed makes it sound like she fucked her own mom. Sorry, but that's.
1:02:08 Georgia Hardstark? No, I get it. You're right. You're right. You're right. Okay, originally I thought this quote surfer dude was the original night stalker, but the dates and story don't add up. Love this girl that she's like researching.
1:02:17 Karen Kilgariff? Yes, she's like, what, which serial killer could it be?
1:02:20 Georgia Hardstark? Yeah, when I stumbled across Christensen, I showed her his picture and she wrote, which was a mistake. And she confirmed, I'm not sure what kind of information you need to confirm the story, but I'm happy to help in any way I can. Like we're questioning this girl's story. Oh, I know. I saw the photo. Karen's showing me this photo. He looks like, he looks like he'd be a wrestler, like a wrestler from the seventies.
1:02:42 Karen Kilgariff? That's exactly what it was.
1:02:43 Georgia Hardstark? He was called the original Night Stalker wrestler like he looks.
1:02:47 Karen Kilgariff? But he also has that look on his face like I'm chill. Everything's chill.
1:02:51 Georgia Hardstark? I think he was German or something.
1:02:53 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah.
1:02:54 Georgia Hardstark? He definitely looks like, like Macho Man Randy Savage or something.
1:02:58 Karen Kilgariff? Is that, is she done?
1:02:59 Georgia Hardstark? Yeah, that's it.
1:02:59 Karen Kilgariff? Because here's the good news to the end of that story.
1:03:02 Georgia Hardstark? Yeah.
1:03:03 Karen Kilgariff? He was stabbed to death in Folsom Prison.
1:03:05 Georgia Hardstark? Yay.
1:03:06 Karen Kilgariff? If anyone's worried, the man who killed four women, wow, that's so intense.
1:03:12 Georgia Hardstark? I wanna, I wanna investigate the story more and know if like putting him in women's clothes was a thing or like were those the clothing of the women who he had killed before her? This bitch almost got killed.
1:03:23 Karen Kilgariff? That is, yeah, she was in it. She, that's so crazy.
1:03:27 Georgia Hardstark? I know, right?
1:03:28 Karen Kilgariff? Uh, yeah.
1:03:31 Georgia Hardstark? Fuck, man.
1:03:32 Karen Kilgariff? I'm try, I'm trying to scan really quickly, but yeah, I don't see, I don't see anything about clothes. Whoa, that one's good.
1:03:37 Georgia Hardstark? I'm sweating profusely. I smell kinda bad. Pretty sure.
1:03:41 Karen Kilgariff? I'm definitely sweating.
1:03:42 Georgia Hardstark? Sorry.
1:03:43 Karen Kilgariff? I love those, I like those fast ones.
1:03:46 Georgia Hardstark? I do too.
1:03:46 Karen Kilgariff? I mean, it's, it's very satisfying to just go not have to dive and pretend to be an expert on a topic.
1:03:52 Georgia Hardstark? Yeah, I like the, here's what, here's what happened.
1:03:54 Karen Kilgariff? Yes.
1:03:55 Georgia Hardstark? According to me, who experienced it.
1:03:57 Karen Kilgariff? Right, exactly.
1:03:58 Georgia Hardstark? Those are fun.
1:03:59 Karen Kilgariff? There was a couple and we're, we're still gonna keep doing these, so.
1:04:03 Georgia Hardstark? Yeah.
1:04:03 Karen Kilgariff? If we didn't get to yours, hopefully we'll soon, but we, there's hundreds. I mean, there's so many.
1:04:08 Georgia Hardstark? So many.
1:04:09 Karen Kilgariff? But there's a couple who are like, my mom went on a date with Ted Bundy.
1:04:13 Georgia Hardstark? There's a Ted Bundy date one. Like, you're not even making that up. There's a Ted Bundy date.
1:04:18 Karen Kilgariff? Yes. There's, there's more than one Ted Bundy date.
1:04:21 Georgia Hardstark? Yes.
1:04:21 Karen Kilgariff? Like, there's people who are like, I knew Ted Bundy, or like, he was a friend of the family.
1:04:25 Georgia Hardstark? It's just crazy how many like, my next door neighbor killed his wife. Like, there's so many of those.
1:04:30 Karen Kilgariff? Yes.
1:04:30 Georgia Hardstark? Little ones that you've never heard of and never will.
1:04:32 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah.
1:04:33 Georgia Hardstark? But people knew them and were like, no, they were nice guys. They're always normal, nice guys.
1:04:37 Karen Kilgariff? Right.
1:04:38 Georgia Hardstark? And then they just snap. And there's a lot of, um, there's a lot of the son of the family ones.
1:04:45 Karen Kilgariff? Well, you know, that's the Amityville Horror Story.
1:04:48 Georgia Hardstark? Right.
1:04:48 Karen Kilgariff? That's the, that's the real story behind that.
1:04:50 Georgia Hardstark? Totally.
1:04:52 Karen Kilgariff? Or at least that's the original story.
1:04:54 Georgia Hardstark? Right.
1:04:55 Karen Kilgariff? I mean, it's hard to be the eldest son and whatever that, whatever comes with that.
1:04:59 Georgia Hardstark? I think it's hard to be the eldest son when the dad is a dick.
1:05:02 Karen Kilgariff? For sure.
1:05:03 Georgia Hardstark? I feel like a lot of that, the dad has so many expectations, especially back then where it's like. You know, it's so important to be popular.
1:05:11 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah.
1:05:12 Georgia Hardstark? And big time.
1:05:13 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah. You have to be like the quarterback or whatever.
1:05:16 Georgia Hardstark? And the dad is trying to, um, trying to, what's the word?
1:05:20 Karen Kilgariff? Live vicariously through this. Yeah.
1:05:23 Georgia Hardstark? Yeah.
1:05:23 Karen Kilgariff? If you have that combined with like, say a weak mom or a mom that lets the dad do whatever he wants.
1:05:28 Georgia Hardstark? Right.
1:05:28 Karen Kilgariff? And doesn't have, you know, any, any kind of handle on anything.
1:05:31 Georgia Hardstark? And maybe the ma, the, the, the kid loves the mom so much and he's pissed at her for never having stood up for him.
1:05:39 Karen Kilgariff? But he can't be pissed at her because she is as abused as he is. I mean.
1:05:43 Georgia Hardstark? And the sister's just like kind of a popular cunt. What are we writing right now?
1:05:48 Karen Kilgariff? It's the, we're basically talking through the Amity Hall.
1:05:51 Georgia Hardstark? We are literally talking.
1:05:52 Karen Kilgariff? Origin story.
1:05:53 Georgia Hardstark? Yeah.
1:05:54 Karen Kilgariff? But I mean, we're talking through a thing that we've all seen on 2021 million times.
1:05:59 Georgia Hardstark? Totally.
1:06:00 Karen Kilgariff? It's a, it's a typical American setup.
1:06:02 Georgia Hardstark? You guys, if you're a guy, please don't kill your family.
1:06:05 Karen Kilgariff? Listen, you don't, listen, I can't solve your problem for you. It's just a podcast, but.
1:06:11 Georgia Hardstark? Listen to your mothers, Karen and Georgia.
1:06:13 Karen Kilgariff? I play the guitar. Girls love shit like that.
1:06:17 Georgia Hardstark? Yeah.
1:06:18 Karen Kilgariff? Be arty, be arty, grow your hair long and just be like, sorry, I'm arty. Too bad. And then jump on the next train.
1:06:24 Georgia Hardstark? I know a woman named Artie. So I was like, what are you talking about?
1:06:27 Karen Kilgariff? Be like her. She's great.
1:06:28 Georgia Hardstark? She was a darling person. Um, read a book, man. Don't read Catcher in the Rye. Just stop yourself right there.
1:06:35 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah. Uh, is that it for us?
1:06:38 Georgia Hardstark? Elvis? Elvis will, Elvis will let us know when that's it.
1:06:41 Karen Kilgariff? What do you think, Elvis? Are we done?
1:06:44 Georgia Hardstark? Elvis?
1:06:49 Karen Kilgariff? One day we're going to talk to him and he's going to be like, ladies, let's wrap it up.
1:06:52 Georgia Hardstark? The gods have spoken.
1:06:54 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah.
1:06:55 Georgia Hardstark? Thank you for listening. Go to my favorite murder on, on the fucking Instagram. There's a Twitter.
1:07:03 Karen Kilgariff? There's all kinds, of course, the Facebook page. There's all kinds of ways that you can participate. Thank you for listening.
1:07:08 Georgia Hardstark? Yeah. Tell a friend.
1:07:09 Karen Kilgariff? And tell a sister.
1:07:11 Georgia Hardstark? Um, Elvis, do you want a cookie? You want a cookie?
1:07:15 Karen Kilgariff? Stay sexy.
1:07:16 Georgia Hardstark? Don't get murdered.
1:07:17 Karen Kilgariff? Bye.
1:07:25 Georgia Hardstark? All right. Well, I mean, there was our brilliant.
1:07:27 Karen Kilgariff? I feel very proud, for some reason, of us thinking of doing this episode. Of like, all the things that we didn't know and all the things that we were innocent of and just kind of hanging out. I feel like this was great producing on our, on our part.
1:07:39 Georgia Hardstark? Definitely. And really, what it came down to probably was neither of us had our homework done. And we were scrambling and sweating.
1:07:45 Karen Kilgariff? Yep.
1:07:45 Georgia Hardstark? And I'm really good at excuses. And we're like, good at figuring out, like, how to get around things.
1:07:52 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah, a workaround.
1:07:53 Georgia Hardstark? A workaround.
1:07:53 Karen Kilgariff? A fix, a, a kind of like, it's the same, it's the reason that Guy Branum came on and answered legal questions.
1:07:59 Georgia Hardstark? That's right.
1:08:00 Karen Kilgariff? Because we, it was like, I was like, I, it is nighttime, there's no way I'm finishing this document, and I don't know what to do.
1:08:07 Georgia Hardstark? I feel like when you're the little sister of the family, you figure out, you get like, squirrely, and you are in a maze your entire life.
1:08:14 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah.
1:08:15 Georgia Hardstark? And you figure out the right turns, and if they're not the right turns, you fucking scratch through the wall and make them the right turns.
1:08:21 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah, because if you don't, you'll get left behind.
1:08:24 Georgia Hardstark? And made fun of.
1:08:25 Karen Kilgariff? And you can hear everybody on the rest of the maze having the best talking time without you.
1:08:30 Georgia Hardstark? Making fun of you.
1:08:31 Karen Kilgariff? So you better get over there, gal.
1:08:32 Georgia Hardstark? Get your ass over there. And that's what My Favorite Murder is. It's a fucking scratching through the wall of the maze to get to the finish line first.
1:08:40 Karen Kilgariff? To get to the, the party that actually isn't there, and you just imagined it. But hey, you got out of the maze.
1:08:45 Georgia Hardstark? You sure did.
1:08:46 Karen Kilgariff? Good job.
1:08:46 Georgia Hardstark? Yeah.
1:08:47 Karen Kilgariff? Uh, all right, so, let's see, we're gonna rename this, if we had to rename this episode, um, from basically just an episode that says what it is.
1:08:57 Georgia Hardstark? Yeah.
1:08:58 Karen Kilgariff? Which I, you know, why rename it? But if we had to, um, the suggestion was, when I say, "Listen and judge."
1:09:05 Georgia Hardstark? Yep, that's it. Listen and love, or listen and judge.
1:09:09 Karen Kilgariff? That's pretty good.
1:09:09 Georgia Hardstark? That sounds like us.
1:09:10 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah, I mean, that's, yeah.
1:09:12 Georgia Hardstark? That's what you guys do.
1:09:13 Karen Kilgariff? Um, all right, well, that's, that's all we can squeeze out of that old rock. Uh, thank you so much. You guys have been bringing the goods for us and making minisodes and hometown episodes, uh, possible for nine years. We really appreciate it.
1:09:29 Georgia Hardstark? We really do. Thank you for listening to this episode. Rewind, we'll keep doing them if you keep listening.
1:09:34 Karen Kilgariff? Yeah, and stay sexy.
1:09:35 Georgia Hardstark? And don't get murdered.
1:09:37 Karen Kilgariff? Goodbye. Elvis, do you want a cookie?
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1:10:24 Georgia Hardstark? Generously spritz each foot before bed and you'll be all set. I've actually started doing this and I'm obsessed with magnesium. It does everything.
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