Pod Insights Stuff You Missed in History Class Behind the Scenes Minis: Carry-on Bags About this episode Tracy talks about the mixed bag nature of Elizabeth Bisland, and the hosts talk about their own travel experiences. Holly shares the less-than-noble character trait that she shares with Flaubert.
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2:31 Holly Frey? Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production of iHeartRadio.
2:42 Tracy V. Wilson? Hello and happy Friday. I'm Tracy V. Wilson.
2:44 Holly Frey? And I'm Holly Frey.
2:46 Tracy V. Wilson? This week, we talked about Elizabeth Bisland and her trip around the world and her whole career as a journalist outside of that trip.
2:54 Holly Frey? Mm hmm.
2:55 Tracy V. Wilson? I didn't spell it out in the episode, but I kept calling her Bisland after she got married because that was the professional name that she continued to use for the whole rest of her life. And it seemed kind of weird to jump back and forth. I also called Lofcardio Hearn Hearn the whole time, even though his name changed because he only made that brief appearance at the beginning and the end. Because since he only made a very brief appearance at the beginning and the end, it seemed potentially confusing to, to change what name I was using for him and then also talk about his wife, who
3:31 Holly Frey? Right.
3:32 Tracy V. Wilson? was using the same family name.
3:33 Holly Frey? Right.
3:34 Tracy V. Wilson? If we do an episode on him at some point, that, that may proceed differently in that full length episode.
3:41 Holly Frey? Yeah, of course. Yeah, he's a wild one.
3:44 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
3:44 Holly Frey? He's like one that's been on my list for a while and I look at it and I go, hmm, later for you, maybe, maybe.
3:49 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
3:51 Holly Frey? We'll see.
3:51 Tracy V. Wilson? Trying to narrow down how much of him to talk about in this was a little tricky because like, like it's clear that they, they were important to one another and that they were in touch with each other for their whole, his whole life after they met. But I, I didn't want the episode to become too focused on him because the episode was not really about him.
4:14 Holly Frey? Right.
4:15 Tracy V. Wilson? And then every time I learned a new thing about him, I was like, man, he's so fascinating.
4:21 Tracy V. Wilson? Also kind of a mess and fascinating, a fascinating mess.
4:25 Holly Frey? Yeah.
4:26 Tracy V. Wilson? Similarly, in some ways, kind of a mess or a mixed bag, maybe Elizabeth Bisland.
4:32 Holly Frey? Oh, yeah.
4:33 Tracy V. Wilson? I would read some things from her and go, wow, that's really lovely and other things and go, wow, yikes, that was
4:39 Holly Frey? Girl, what?
4:42 Tracy V. Wilson? And then some stuff where it's like, I wish I could figure out more of your specific opinions on things just because of, you know, when and where you lived and what your upbringing was like.
4:52 Holly Frey? Yeah.
4:52 Tracy V. Wilson? You know, the people of history have all kinds of different feelings, but it is just, it's nice to know.
4:58 Holly Frey? Yeah.
4:59 Tracy V. Wilson? Talking about people.
5:00 Holly Frey? Do you know what I've been thinking about lately in regard to that?
5:04 Tracy V. Wilson? What?
5:05 Holly Frey? Is how easy it is to forget, this is gonna sound so stupid and to me, it seems so profound in the moment I thought it, how easy it is to forget that like any of these people we talk about historically, particularly like in the 20th century that have a dicey mix of like, some of your concepts and your worldview is great and some of it is not cool at all, is how much less information they had at their fingertips at any given time.
5:37 Tracy V. Wilson? Oh, yeah.
5:37 Holly Frey? To what we have. So their experiential learning would have left huge gaps that they just couldn't quickly fill in the way we can with like a rapid internet search.
5:49 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
5:49 Holly Frey? So it's made me feel a little more graceful for figures like her that maybe just don't know, I know she went around the world, but in many ways she wasn't worldly, you know what I mean?
6:03 Holly Frey? Still sucks. Her position still sucks on a variety of things, but like, I'm not as much like monster as I am like, you just didn't have the knowledge, you just didn't have it.
6:13 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah. Well, I sometimes think about things that I didn't have the knowledge
6:17 Holly Frey? Yeah.
6:17 Tracy V. Wilson? About.
6:18 Holly Frey? For sure. Same.
6:20 Tracy V. Wilson? For, yeah, having grown up in the 1970s and 80s. You know, and started college in 1993. What a different understanding of so many things in the world between then and now.
6:33 Holly Frey? Oh, yes.
6:34 Tracy V. Wilson? Radically different access to information now versus then.
6:39 Holly Frey? Yeah.
6:39 Tracy V. Wilson? So, yeah, I do find her to be a mixed bag, but boy, do I love how crabby she was about going on this trip. I had, I had so much empathy for her being called into her boss's office to do a thing she didn't want to do and to start right now.
7:01 Holly Frey? And like, well, and a pretty heavy hitting aside, you know what I mean? Like, I love to travel. I live in the modern age when I always have kind of like a go bag ready in case I have to travel last minute. But if you told me right now, you have to leave on an around the world trip that's going to take you more than two months and you got to leave in six hours, I would shout an expletive at you.
7:26 Tracy V. Wilson? I would lose it. Yeah, yeah. I lose it about smaller things than that.
7:30 Holly Frey? Yeah, it's a big ask.
7:33 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah, I read a couple of things that, you know, things written by modern people and written in recent years who characterized her almost as ungracious about it. And I'm like, she was being told to drop everything and go on a trip that was going to be uncomfortable at best and exhausting.
7:57 Holly Frey? Yeah.
7:57 Tracy V. Wilson? With no notice whatsoever, like the reasonable to be cranky.
8:03 Holly Frey? It's not like winning a luxury trip around the world. It's hustling. You're not getting to enjoy any of those cultures very much.
8:11 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
8:12 Holly Frey? You're not really exploring. You're just going from like train to train to train to boat to train to boat to train.
8:19 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
8:20 Holly Frey? No, thank you.
8:22 Tracy V. Wilson? Right. Yeah. Yeah. As a person prone to seasickness, I also would have an added layer of how frustrating I would find such an assignment, given with no notice.
8:34 Holly Frey? Yeah. I really liked her early life experience of trying to keep secret that she was writing poetry and that they thought she was an old dude from England.
8:48 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
8:49 Holly Frey? Which made me think a little bit of Edna St. Vincent Millay because
8:52 Tracy V. Wilson? Oh, yeah.
8:52 Holly Frey? She was not using a fake name, but because Vincent was part of her name, people initially thought she must be
8:59 Tracy V. Wilson? Right.
9:00 Holly Frey? A mature man. And it just tickles me in each case.
9:04 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah. Yeah.
9:07 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah, the number of times that apparently people by her writing thought that she was a man amused me a little bit. And the idea of suffering through something that it turned out that you hated while churning the butter.
9:20 Holly Frey? Yeah.
9:22 Tracy V. Wilson? Because George Elliot said that it was the best thing.
9:26 Holly Frey? Listen, I 100% understand all of that. That is exactly the kind of thing I would do where I'd be like, well, this is, these are two things that I feel like I need to do. I'm gonna combine them.
9:40 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
9:41 Holly Frey? That makes all the sense on earth to me. Is that weird?
9:43 Tracy V. Wilson? I agree. I agree. Um, there were a lot of moments in her, her story that I was like, yep, I completely have empathy with that. Not all of them, obviously. We already talked about that.
9:58 Holly Frey? Yeah. I love the idea of, aside from the fact that she thinks all men will be chivalrous, I love the idea of early, sort of like packing lists, practical advice for lady travelers.
10:12 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
10:13 Holly Frey? I do like that a lot.
10:14 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah. I, I was just so delighted by the descriptions of what she thought would be good luggage. And this like newly developed bureau trunk. I was like, yeah, that would be really handy if what you are traveling with is a big old steamer trunk, being able to open the top lid and have that be drawers organized with all your small items, instead of having to have like a lot of little interior boxes that you had to wrangle around for your small items.
10:45 Holly Frey? Yeah.
10:45 Tracy V. Wilson? Seems like it would be a lot more convenient, or just throwing your things into a trunk and then having to pull them out and figure out where everything was later on.
10:53 Holly Frey? Yeah.
10:54 Tracy V. Wilson? I had to look up what a shawl strap was.
10:56 Holly Frey? Yeah.
10:57 Tracy V. Wilson? How exactly does that work?
10:59 Holly Frey? Yeah.
11:00 Tracy V. Wilson? It could just be, you could just have your shawl and it would be the strap that your shawl was wrapped up in so that you could sling it over your shoulder, not have it to wear it with you, but have it accessible when you got on the train. All of those things. I do something similar sometimes if I am taking a long trip and checking luggage, I will often have in like my, my purse or backpack that I'm taking onto the airplane, I will have a change of clothes, toothbrush, the deodorant, like basic things. So that just in case the checked luggage goes awry, I, I can manage on what I've put under the seat in front of me.
11:45 Holly Frey? Do you remember on our first stuff you missed in history class trip, which was to Paris, the checked luggage going awry for me and my beloved?
11:56 Tracy V. Wilson? No.
11:57 Holly Frey? Because the first two and a half days we were in Paris, Brian had nothing.
12:02 Tracy V. Wilson? I forgot this completely.
12:04 Holly Frey? Oh yeah. It was like a little bit of a wild ride because we had gotten to Charles de Gaulle. Everyone from our flight got to baggage claim. About half of them got bags and rolled out and the rest of us just stood there for a long time. And then someone from Air France came over and was like, what are you doing? We were like waiting on our bags. And they're like, nah. And it became this whole wacky rigmarole where we were, one of my bags had come out at that point. I had two checked bags. He had one. And my, you know, mediocre French and this very kind Air France woman, like we were trying to work
12:44 Holly Frey? out what was going on. The funniest part was when all of our luggage that we usually travel with is the American Tourister line that came out years ago that looks like droids from Star Wars.
12:58 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
12:58 Holly Frey? So once I showed her a picture, she was like, oh, like this changed thing significantly. And she started calling departments around the airport, asking if they had seen R2D2 or C3PO, because those were the two that were missing. And at one point she talks to someone and she makes a very excited face, hangs up the phone, takes my hand and says, let's go. And we go running to a different, completely different terminal and shoved behind a potted plant in a corner is my C3PO bag.
13:27 Tracy V. Wilson? Wow.
13:28 Holly Frey? But Brian's R2D2 never shows up. And I really think like some poor junior. Staff member overturned one of their chain, their little train of luggage trucks and didn't know what to do and just hid things around the airport. But his was not there and we got back to the, we got to our hotel because she was like, we're not going to find it today. Go to your hotel. Poor Brian had not packed anything in his, his carry on like for overnight. And so like those first couple of days, we would get back to the room and be like, did luggage show up? And they had called our room at one point and said, we found your luggage, we're bringing it, but the number they gave was the ticket that was on my C3PO bag we already had.
14:12 Tracy V. Wilson? Oh.
14:13 Holly Frey? And then we went out one day and we did our tour and we got home and it was that day and we asked at the front desk and they were like, no. But then we got to our room and there was our 2D2, like with light shining off of it, like it was a holy relic. And Brian hugged that luggage for so long. So that's our story of international, not having your luggage.
14:32 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah. On our, on our trip to Morocco last year, I had a checked bag, but I also had like a roller board to go in the bin above. And that contained enough clothing that was all stuff that could be like washed out in the sink and dry really quickly. It had enough that I would be washing stuff in the sink every day, but if the big checked bag got lost.
15:01 Holly Frey? You'd be okay.
15:01 Tracy V. Wilson? I would be able to make it through the trip because that trip, we were in a, in a different place almost every day. Like there were a couple of places that we spent two nights.
15:10 Holly Frey? Yeah. If you're, if a piece of luggage did not come on our arrival to Morocco, odds of it catching up to us were slim to none.
15:18 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah. Yeah. So I had planned for the worst outcome of that and it was unnecessary. Everything was fine. Did not need it at all.
15:28 Holly Frey? I do a different thing in that scenario, which is that I put everything I possibly can into carry on. I do no checked bag going out, but coming home, I'll check everything.
15:41 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah. I checked everything coming back.
15:43 Holly Frey? So I don't want to, I don't want to carry that biz, right? And I did accumulate a piece of luggage while we were there.
15:49 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
15:49 Holly Frey? Because on our last day, we got additional treats that we weren't expecting, like pieces of pottery. And I was like, I've maxed out my luggage now. We have to.
15:58 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
16:01 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah, well, I imagine Elizabeth Bisland would have a lot to say about all of these things with our travel.
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20:17 Holly Frey? We talked about Gustave Flaubert this week.
20:19 Tracy V. Wilson? We did. I could swear that this came up briefly at some point in another episode, but my searching of the old outlines yielded nothing. And I'm like, did I dream it?
20:35 Holly Frey? I don't know. I like Flaubert a lot. The nice thing about this one is that I had so many books already on my shelf for reference that I was good.
20:42 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
20:43 Holly Frey? Like I said, I was very fascinated by Madame Bovary when I read it in high school, so much so that when I was in college, my high school English teacher asked me to come back and do a guest lecture on it to her then seniors.
20:56 Tracy V. Wilson? Okay.
20:57 Holly Frey? Which was super fun, because I just like talking about it. I like the, the questions you can raise about it, etc. One of the things we didn't talk about in this episode is how many other literary figures Gustave Flaubert knew. Right? Like, he and Georges Sand were good friends, for example. And there were many others. And I just didn't bring all of them up, because talking about other stuff, sometimes you gotta edit. Let me tell you how much I love his disdain for cliches.
21:29 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
21:30 Holly Frey? This will reveal a less than noble part of my personality, of which there are many.
21:35 Tracy V. Wilson? Okay.
21:36 Holly Frey? But one of my pet peeves, oh, just even thinking about it makes me like, physically,
21:45 Holly Frey? and it's mean. So know that this is mean on my part. I have no grace or tolerance. And again, I want to say, as I'm saying all of these things, I'm the jerk. I have no grace or tolerance for when people say or do mundane things, but act as though they are novel.
22:09 Holly Frey? I mean, like, capital offense.
22:12 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
22:12 Holly Frey? It makes me so irrationally angry when people are like, blah, blah, blah. And it's something everybody knows and they've just realized it. And I should not be that way. I should be like, that's so cool that you've just had this realization. Welcome. But instead, I'm just like, ugh, I hide it because I know that's monstrous behavior.
22:32 Holly Frey? But it makes me understand when he and his friend are like, let's write down all the stupid things that people say, think they're clever. I'm like, yes, write them all down. That's a good way to get it out.
22:42 Tracy V. Wilson? This reminds me of the, the XKCD comic. I think it's called the Lucky 10,000. And the basic idea is that there are things that you think that everyone knows, but like, maybe one in 10,000 people don't. I'm recapping this from memory. Like, I could be saying this totally wrong. Randall Monroe, please don't be upset with me. If I'm recapping your work badly. But how, when somebody, for example, has never heard of the whole Mentos and Diet Coke thing, and they see the Mentos and Diet Coke video for the first thing, can be like, oh, you're the lucky 10,000. Like, you, you were the lucky person who is seeing this for
23:27 Tracy V. Wilson? the first time today.
23:28 Holly Frey? Yeah.
23:29 Tracy V. Wilson? Can be a way to think of that besides being like, bruh. You know what, what I get?
23:35 Holly Frey? I try to. What do you get?
23:37 Tracy V. Wilson? I have a childish, kind of mean fixation on the people who say, I was today years old when I figured out. And then the thing that they figured out isn't a real thing. It's like, I was today years old when I figured out. You're supposed to unroll the little paper ketchup cups at the, you know, fast food restaurant, because then it holds way more ketchup. And it's like, no, you're not supposed to unroll the lip of the thing.
24:06 Holly Frey? You can.
24:06 Tracy V. Wilson? You can do that, but that's not what it's made for. That's the thing I get real frustrated by.
24:15 Holly Frey? Oh, yeah.
24:16 Tracy V. Wilson? I've also started just blocking anyone on any, you know, any kind of social media who puts up obvious rage bait.
24:26 Holly Frey? Oh, yeah.
24:27 Tracy V. Wilson? Like, I saw somebody one time that was doing a video in which they were using a can opener to open the can of biscuits that you're supposed to open by like pressing into the seam.
24:38 Holly Frey? Yeah.
24:38 Tracy V. Wilson? Or maybe smacking it against your cabinets. And they were like, and I was like, I, I think you're just doing this so people will engage with your video.
24:47 Holly Frey? Result.
24:48 Tracy V. Wilson? By telling you.
24:49 Holly Frey? Yeah.
24:49 Tracy V. Wilson? That you're doing it wrong. I'm just blocking you so I never have to see this again.
24:56 Holly Frey? Speaking of which, I think Flo Bear would hate social media.
24:59 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah, probably.
25:00 Holly Frey? Because it is so full of people having revelatory experiences that aren't really that revelatory.
25:06 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
25:08 Holly Frey? Which I understand. There is a flip, though, not related to Flo Bear at all, but after you talking about the lucky 10,000. Have you had that opposite experience where something that you thought was a universal experience, people are like,
25:20 Tracy V. Wilson? For sure.
25:22 Holly Frey? Not everybody had that.
25:23 Tracy V. Wilson? Yes.
25:24 Holly Frey? Mine are so odd and goofy and so stupid that I would ever have thought everybody had that experience.
25:30 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah. Do you have an example off the top of your head?
25:35 Holly Frey? I thought everybody read Jim Carroll growing up.
25:38 Tracy V. Wilson? No.
25:39 Holly Frey? So when I would like casually reference the book of nods, like I was, you know, hipster extraordinaire in the 1990s, they would be like, what are you talking about? And I'm like, Jim Carroll, what's wrong with you? Jim Carroll, you're at the Basketball Diaries. Come on, Jim Carroll. And they would be like, Holly, we did not read all of the heroin journals that you read, apparently, growing up. But to me, I was like, of course you did. Everybody I knew read them. My, like, seven friends all knew about it.
26:02 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm hard pressed to think of like an actual good example right now, but I have had this experience at work on the show. Not in a while, but like in the past, we have gotten emails from people that were like, hey, I just found this thing out for the first time. You should do an episode on it because like, I don't think anybody knows about this. And it's something that was like a part of my fifth grade history class or something where I'm like, obviously everyone knows that. And it's like, oh, no, Tracy, you just, you learned that because you lived in North Carolina. And that's where whatever the thing was happened.
26:39 Holly Frey? Right. Yeah, my other was that I thought everybody knew clowns.
26:45 Tracy V. Wilson? I love that, though. That's funny to me.
26:47 Holly Frey? Cause I grew up in, you know, like Florida where there is clown school.
26:52 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah, yeah.
26:53 Holly Frey? And you can't throw a rock without hitting a clown. Like, you know, if you're in theater or the arts at all, you know, people who are clowns.
27:02 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
27:03 Holly Frey? And so I just thought everybody knew clowns. It turns out they don't.
27:07 Tracy V. Wilson? No, I know clowns.
27:08 Holly Frey? So when I would say things casually, like the clowns taught me that.
27:11 Tracy V. Wilson? Right.
27:12 Holly Frey? People would be like, "Shove excuse."
27:15 Tracy V. Wilson? I know clowns because, but it's because of the theater stuff more broadly.
27:19 Holly Frey? Right.
27:19 Tracy V. Wilson? Right.
27:20 Holly Frey? Yeah.
27:20 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
27:21 Holly Frey? Yeah.
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28:17 Tracy V. Wilson? Guess who's back in the house? The old gays return for season two of Silver Linings, their hit podcast from iHeart's Ruby Studio in partnership with ViiV Healthcare. Just wait until you hear what hosts Robert McMillan and Jess A. have in store this time around. They strut back down memory lane, navigating life, love, loss, and everything that shaped them along the way. And as usual, someone just might break into song. From leather bars to bathhouses, dance floors to drag brunch, nothing stays off limits. These are the kinds of insights that can only come from experience. So listen to your elders, honey, and discover the silver linings you can take with you. All sass, zero filter, and decades of perspective from four friends proving that queer joy
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31:20 Holly Frey? One thing we didn't talk about was contextualizing Flaubert's trial in relation to other writers that did not get the same good fortune. Right? Charles Baudelaire, poet that I love, was put on trial, like essentially the same thing, six months after Gustave Flaubert. And he was found guilty. I think he was put on trial for 13 poems.
31:45 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
31:46 Holly Frey? And six of them were found to be immoral, but he didn't suffer a lot because of this. He was fined and his publisher was fined.
31:54 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
31:54 Holly Frey? Incidentally, one of the first poems I ever memorized was the first part of Recroyement by Charles Baudelaire. And I, to this day, I still know it. So sage ma dure, retiens-toi plus tranquille. Tu réclamais le soir, il descend, le voici.
32:12 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
32:12 Holly Frey? Une atmosphère obscura enveloppe la ville, osons pourtant la paix, aux autres le suisse. Forever, I will be on my deathbed and I will still be able to say that poem. It's a good one. Read it in English. It's also good.
32:25 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
32:25 Holly Frey? Be still, my pain. I also had a revelation.
32:28 Tracy V. Wilson? Okay.
32:29 Holly Frey? That I have never had before.
32:31 Tracy V. Wilson? Okay.
32:32 Holly Frey? While trying to like summarize Madame Bovary this round.
32:35 Tracy V. Wilson? This is gonna be so funny to me if your revelation is something that everyone already knows.
32:42 Holly Frey? Probably it is, but I don't know. I, in, in trying to write the summary of the novel. And trying to point out that Emma Bovary is ultimately revealed to be quite selfish. You know, even when she's up against it and people are like, no, no, no, no, no. She's like, yeah, of course. Let's buy more curtains. I was like, oh my gosh, was she part of the inspiration for Daisy and Gatsby?
33:07 Tracy V. Wilson? Oh.
33:08 Holly Frey? But like from a different point of view, because Daisy is very wealthy and can afford all these things. But she is empty and kind of pursuing things that will give her a thrill.
33:19 Holly Frey? And I was like, oh, my goodness, is this a could I if I travel back in time, could I go to graduate school and write an entire thesis on this? Maybe, maybe, maybe. But also, that also falls under the that same idea that everybody understands wanting more than you have or different than you have and wanting to
33:40 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
33:40 Holly Frey? find something that that excites you.
33:42 Tracy V. Wilson? My Gatsby memory, aside from having read that also for school, maybe in college, is that when I was getting married and we were planning our wedding and I decided that we were gonna have a twenties theme wedding. I realized that there were a lot of other people who were writing about their wedding inspirations, who were describing their like roaring twenties kind of flapper wedding as as that. And I'm like, no, no, it's not a Great Gatsby wedding. You shouldn't have a Great Gatsby wedding. Great, the Great Gatsby is not a good theme for a wedding.
34:20 Holly Frey? Well, I'll make the case that that great party is worth recreating.
34:27 Tracy V. Wilson? That I can see that argument.
34:29 Holly Frey? I think that's probably what people are doing, not like, hey, let's use people and run them over with our cars.
34:35 Tracy V. Wilson? Right, right. And that's sort of why I think it's weird to say that your wedding is a Great Gatsby wedding. So that when I when then I was like, you know, having meetings about wedding planning, I was like, it's a twenties wedding, not Great Gatsby.
34:48 Tracy V. Wilson? It's not a Great Gatsby wedding. It's just.
34:51 Holly Frey? Yeah, that doesn't bother me as much because I presume they're borrowing the style of it and not the mentality of the characters. And that is a good shorthand for a lot of people that maybe are having trouble like
35:02 Tracy V. Wilson? What is the twenties mean?
35:03 Holly Frey? Nineteen twenties?
35:03 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
35:04 Holly Frey? Yeah.
35:04 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
35:05 Holly Frey? Although now, like, you timed it right, because I feel like now the nineteen twenties is so played out.
35:09 Tracy V. Wilson? Sure.
35:10 Holly Frey? As a party theme.
35:11 Tracy V. Wilson? Maybe, yeah. Was super fun, though. Had a good time. You made my dress, thank you.
35:17 Holly Frey? I did. I did make you dress. There's a lot of beads on that dress. Um, yeah, I've only made a couple of wedding dresses since then. I used to do them all the time and I have slowed down in my old age. You have to be very, very much a person that I really, really adore before I'll make you a wedding dress at this point.
35:35 Holly Frey? Because I used to do a lot of bridal, like as a side hustle.
35:37 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah, yeah.
35:38 Holly Frey? And that was not fun. Because one, like, there's just too much. There's too much stress on
35:47 Holly Frey? what people think a garment can do for them.
35:49 Tracy V. Wilson? Sure, sure.
35:50 Holly Frey? That made it not very fun for me. And also, I just realized pretty quickly, I just want to design clothes for me and like the style I want. I don't want to create other people's visions.
35:58 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah, go for it. Go for it.
36:01 Holly Frey? I do, all the time, all the time, all day, every day. Stitching away over here. If anybody has not read Gustave Le Bear's Madame Bovary, I highly recommend it. There are also some good movie adaptations. They all take license.
36:15 Tracy V. Wilson? Sure.
36:15 Holly Frey? Right? Like, the one from, is it 2014 with Mia Wazekowska is pretty good. It leaves out some stuff. Like, in the novel, Madame Bovary and Charles have a child. She does not appear in it. The coda where the apothecary kind of gets great recognition, even though he's kind of a social climber weasel, that is not in, none of that's in there. It ends with, with just the, the end of, of Emma Bovary. But it's still pretty good. There's a actor in it who has some very questionable stuff in his life that you gotta overlook if you're gonna do it, but it is quite good. There are many others,
36:56 Holly Frey? too, French language and English language, if people just want to watch movies. But I really like this book because I think it is a good examination of the way people can be very intoxicated by the promise of something else giving their life meaning.
37:13 Tracy V. Wilson? Oh, sure, sure.
37:14 Holly Frey? Like I said, I will talk about Bovary all day, every day. I just love it. There you go. It was very funny. I was talking with one of my very best friends the other day and I was telling her I was working on this. And she's like, have you read Madame Bovary? And I'm like, have I read Madame Bovary? Like, she bit off more than she was ready for in that moment. I was like, I'm sorry, I've nerded up this conversation. I'm just like, and then this happens and this is important because, and it was like,
37:40 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
37:41 Holly Frey? Don't do it. Don't, don't open Pandora's box if you're not ready.
37:47 Holly Frey? If this is your weekend coming up, I hope you don't accidentally open up any Pandora's boxes you don't want. If you get to read some books, whether that's classic literature.
37:58 Holly Frey? New trashy fiction? Great. I'm never gonna judge whatever is gonna make you happy and feel enriched. If you don't have time off and you have to do, you know, work or have other responsibilities, you don't get to sit on your badonk on your couch, like is my favorite activity on the weekend. I hope that your days go smoothly. Everyone is kind to one another, that we all remember to take care of each other. These are the important things. We sure are grateful that you are here listening. We will be back on Monday with something brand new. And tomorrow, we will have a classic.
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39:20 Holly Frey? A rare disease diagnosis can change your life, but it doesn't have to define your future. In season seven of Untold Stories: Life with a Severe Autoimmune Condition, host Martine Hackett continues the conversation with people living with MG, CIDP, and the broader rare disease community, exploring what comes after diagnosis through stories of hope, progress, and connection. Produced by Ruby Studio in partnership with Argenx. Listen on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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