Mehdi Hasan Debates: Iran War, Qatar's Dark Money & Racism In America | PBD Interview

Mehdi Hasan joins Patrick Bet-David for a no-holds-barred debate on Donald Trump, Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel, Iran, Gaza and the future of American power. From the Iran war and Gulf strikes to “socialist capitalism” and U. S. empire, this is one of the most explosive political conversations ever recorded in the PBD studio. Mehdi and PBD go deep on whether Trump got played by Netanyahu, if America is acting as Israel’s muscle in the Middle East, and how MAGA, Democrats and the media are all reacting to the wars. They clash over Gaza, the Gulf states, “greater Israel,” racism in the UK vs the US, and whether Trump is actually an anti-war president or just another hawk in disguise. ------ 📕 MEHDI HASAN'S "WIN EVERY ARGUMENT": https://bit.ly/3RPbJ8b 📰 MEHDI HASAN'S ZETEO: https://bit.ly/4ulf6RT Ⓜ️ CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4kSVkso ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4kSVkso Ⓜ️ PBD PODCAST CIRCLES: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 🥃 BOARDROOM CIGAR LOUNGE: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj 🇰 KALSHI: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://kalshi.com/pbd⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ http://kalshi.com/pbd⁠

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• 0:14Patrick Bet-David?

  My handshake is better than anything I ever signed, right here.

• 0:18Patrick Bet-David?

  You are a one of one?

• 0:19Speaker 01

  My son's right there.

• 0:20Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't think I've ever said this before.

• 0:26Patrick Bet-David?

  We have a special guest in the house, one of the biggest MAGA spokesperson out there in the world, hardcore hardcore MAGA, now a capitalist, he runs a very successful business now after leaving MSNBC, he's crushing it, but it's great to have you on the podcast today, Mehdi Hasan.

• 0:42Speaker 02

  Thank you very much, thanks for having me.

• 0:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes, of course, of course, and you know, obviously I've been watching you for many years and we reached out, we said, let's invite him on board and then Rob said, Mehdi said, yes, I said, this is great.

• 0:53Speaker 02

  It took a long time to get to yes, but I'm here.

• 0:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes, so what took such a long time?

• 0:57Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 0:58Patrick Bet-David?

  What were you worried about, were you afraid of sitting with a capitalist? Is it like this guy's gonna be?

• 1:04Speaker 02

  I don't know, I've seen your show, it's an entertaining show, and it's a very different format today, I don't know, I'm genuinely, I'm intrigued as to what we're gonna talk about today.

• 1:11Patrick Bet-David?

  And I'm genuinely interested in learning your story.

• 1:13Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:14Patrick Bet-David?

  So tell me your story, your background.

• 1:16Speaker 02

  My background is, if the accent didn't give it away, I'm a British American, I'm a dual national, British American citizen, citizen of both great countries, born and raised in the UK, my parents immigrants from India, moved to the UK in the 60s.

• 1:29Patrick Bet-David?

  What part of India?

• 1:30Speaker 02

  South India, Hyderabad.

• 1:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 1:32Speaker 02

  Best biryani in the world.

• 1:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Best beer?

• 1:34Speaker 02

  Biryani.

• 1:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Biryani, that's the best beer.

• 1:36Speaker 02

  I'm not gonna be the guy who gives you beer recommendations.

• 1:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, got it.

• 1:40Speaker 02

  So.

• 1:40Patrick Bet-David?

  I went to Mumbai, I went to Mumbai eight years ago and I spoke at IIT Institute.

• 1:45Speaker 02

  Oh yes, big.

• 1:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Incredible experience.

• 1:47Speaker 02

  Incredible place, but Hyderabad has better food, so I have to say that as a Hyderabadian. So my parents moved in the 60s and 70s to the UK, I was born in 79, I think we're similar in age, and I moved to the US 12 years ago, come February, so it's been over a decade I've been here, became a citizen in 2020, been a journalist all my life.

• 2:06Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you prefer, UK or and I know, listen.

• 2:08Speaker 02

  Oh, this is a controversial question.

• 2:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Just asking, I don't want to upset moms, so you don't have to answer it if you don't want to.

• 2:13Speaker 02

  They both have their, they both have their brilliance. Um, I go back to the UK all the time. I'm heading out there next week. Uh, I get to go for work and, and pleasure, and I love going back to the UK, but the US, I gotta say, the US has given me opportunities and open doors that even the UK I don't think could have done.

• 2:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Really?

• 2:30Speaker 02

  And I think you hear that from a lot of black and brown folks from the UK. Cause I'm someone who's criticized racism, obviously, in, in the UK and in the US. But what's interesting is you talk to people in the media space, entertainment space. You look at someone like Idris Elba, you look at someone like my good friend, my old school friend, Riz Ahmed, Oscar winning, Emmy winning actor. They've all talked about how when they came to the US, they got more opportunities than they got in the UK.

• 2:53Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you, what, why do you think that is? Is it just capitalism? Is it just, uh, business? Is it incentives?

• 2:59Speaker 02

  I think there's also, I mean, the country is a bigger country. I, I think we can sometimes forget when we live here, how big, how, this is a continent of a country.

• 3:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Yep.

• 3:06Speaker 02

  So just geographically, space wise, there's more places to just do things. The UK is very heavily concentrated around London, right? The entire country, to the great consternation of people in Manchester, Birmingham, the entire economy is centered around one city. Politics is centered around Westminster and London. Um, and I think there's also, in England, we don't have the legacy of, you know, plantation slavery and, and the black struggle for civil rights in the US. But we do have a different kind of legacy of empire and that form of, uh, um, you know, history to overcome. I don't know what the right, right word, I'm looking for like staid, stodgy. It's just a kind of, an old way of doing things. You hit a different kind of glass ceiling in the UK. I'm not giving a pass to the old kinds of racism and bigotry that still is in the US that we're still fighting with.

• 3:49Speaker 02

  But there is something about being a person of color and just having a little bit more ambition in the US. It's gonna get me in huge trouble with people. I'm, I'm, I'm screwed now when I go out to the UK next week, if this airs before the next.

• 4:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Both of us are brown and winning in America, which is a good thing.

• 4:04Speaker 02

  Yes, from different, different parts of the political.

• 4:06Patrick Bet-David?

  That's right.

• 4:06Speaker 02

  Divide, I think.

• 4:07Patrick Bet-David?

  That's right. Uh, by the way, in high school, if I was in high school with you, you're 15, 16, who's Mary Hasan? What were you doing?

• 4:13Speaker 02

  Uh, I was the same person I am now. I was a debater. I was an. argue. I was the guy with the big mouth. I was the guy getting thrown into the hallway. I was a guy going to detention because I answered back. I talked a lot.

• 4:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Teachers, students, prof-

• 4:24Speaker 02

  I-

• 4:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Didn't matter.

• 4:25Speaker 02

  I found report cards recently that my children and I sat and went through. It was really embarrassing. My daughter sat with me. We went through the report cards. Every single one is, he doesn't stop talking. He answers back. He thinks he knows everything. He won't stop asking questions.

• 4:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that a family thing or is that a you thing?

• 4:38Speaker 02

  It's a family thing.

• 4:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, got it.

• 4:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, I wrote about it in the book. Uh, my father passed away last year.

• 4:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Sorry.

• 4:43Speaker 02

  He was a, thank you. He was a, he was a very disputatious individual. Loved to debate, loved to argue, super provocative. Even in the Muslim community, the story I tell, remember in the late eighties, you'll remember this because you're of Iranian heritage. Ayatollah Khomeini gives the fatwa against Salman Rushdie for the Satanic Verses.

• 4:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 4:58Speaker 02

  Uh, Muslims in the UK are furious, especially in the UK, more than anyone.

• 5:01Patrick Bet-David?

  He helped them sell millions of copies by doing it.

• 5:03Speaker 02

  Indeed, indeed. So, so listen to this. So, in Bradford, big Muslim city, uh, in the UK, they would, they even burned copies of the Satanic Verses. Got it, you know. Huge issue, we can talk about another time. But anyways, huge issue in the UK. My dad goes out and buys a copy of the Satanic Verses, reads-

• 5:20Patrick Bet-David?

  As a Muslim?

• 5:20Speaker 02

  As a Muslim, and puts it on our dining room bookshelf, right next to the table. So every time our friends, family come over for dinner, it's there. And people are saying to my dad, what the hell are you doing here? Why do you have Satanic Verses on your bookshelf? My dad said, have you read it?

• 5:37Speaker 02

  I said, no. He said, well, how do you know what to object to about it? And I think that attitude of his, which was quite provocative at the time, and even till his death, he was known as a provocative individual. I think I borrowed a lot of that. The ability to be able to ask questions, be offensive if need be, be provocative if need be. Don't give a shit what people think. If you need to ask the right questions, you need to say what you want to say. That very much comes from my father, from my household growing up. My sister is also a journalist. We, very similar in that sense about-

• 6:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Was he a journalist or no?

• 6:03Speaker 02

  No, he wasn't, but he was very political. He was a very traditional, he was a civil engineer. My mother's a doctor. They're very classic Asian, Desi, Indian couple. But he was very political. From the moment he moved to the UK, he loved British politics. Till he passed away, he was asking me questions about Trump. What's he doing? Is he gonna survive? Like in 2024, all he did, all he asked me was like, why are they running Biden? Why are they running Biden?

• 6:24Patrick Bet-David?

  At what age?

• 6:25Speaker 02

  This was at eighty- He passed away last year at eighty seven, so this would have been at eighty six.

• 6:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Good for him.

• 6:30Speaker 02

  So he was super.

• 6:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Was he sharp to the very end?

• 6:32Speaker 02

  No, unfortunately, he wasn't sharp at the end, but even when he wasn't sharp at the end, he was still very political. Well, just want to talk about politics, whatever I call.

• 6:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Never had a desire to run and do anything?

• 6:40Speaker 02

  No, no, just loved it. If you're sad, there's a certain generation of Indian immigrant men who have a lot of opinions.

• 6:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, the opinion part, I agree.

• 6:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, but he but he also read broadly, read widely, he could quote Shakespeare.

• 6:52Patrick Bet-David?

  What influences politics?

• 6:53Speaker 02

  Uh, his uncle growing up, my dad grew up as an orphan, his father died when he was two. He was raised by his uncle mainly, who was a kind of polymath, and I think he absorbed a lot of that. So my father was someone who could quote Shakespeare, but he could also quote Alama Iqbal, the famous Urdu poet. Like, he could switch between different cultures, different intellectual references. So it put a lot of pressure on me and my sister.

• 7:14Patrick Bet-David?

  But was was he a devout liberal himself? Like, would you consider him a, would he today be a progressive himself or no?

• 7:21Speaker 02

  I think he very much would see himself as a liberal.

• 7:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 7:23Speaker 02

  My parents are very different. I think my mother is more conservative, more practicing. My father was more intellectually engaged with the religion.

• 7:28Patrick Bet-David?

  A literal conservative, like conservative conservative?

• 7:31Speaker 02

  What's your definition?

• 7:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Like she she's pro-Trump?

• 7:33Speaker 02

  No.

• 7:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 7:34Speaker 02

  No, she's sensible. She's a sensible.

• 7:36Patrick Bet-David?

  She's sensible.

• 7:36Speaker 02

  I meant conservative and socially conservative, you know, Islam, you know, making sure that when we were kids, she was the one who made sure we prayed and we fasted. We read Quran and all of that stuff. My father was the person who made sure that we were asking questions about the world. And yes, the culture very much, the language, the culture, all of that stuff.

• 7:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it. So did they know you're gonna get into journalism?

• 7:54Speaker 02

  No.

• 7:54Patrick Bet-David?

  How did that happen? Like, when was it, dad, this is what I'm gonna be doing?

• 7:57Speaker 02

  I went to university in the late nineties, I went to Oxford, I did politics, philosophy, economics, which is this degree that.

• 8:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Math as well, economics, yeah, I saw economics.

• 8:04Speaker 02

  P P E. It's a famous degree in the UK that politicians love to do. Prime ministers loved it. David Cameron did P P, like, it's it's called the degree of prime ministers, like, it's famous. I did that degree and I didn't like the economics. I was struggled with the philosophy, although I enjoyed it, and I loved the politics. I didn't know what to do. Most of my friends left university and went into finance, investment, banking, management, consulting. I knew I I didn't want to do that. So that left me with a kind of, what do I do now? And I kind of fell into journalism. People ask me at events now, young people, like, what's your story? How to become a journalist? I wish I had like a Marvel origin story. I don't. Like I dreamt of being a journalist. It's just, I didn't know what else to do. I have a big mouth. I'll try this.

• 8:40Patrick Bet-David?

  You would have been great in sales. You would have been great in finance.

• 8:43Speaker 02

  Not finance. I can't deal with numbers.

• 8:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, you're saying you did, well, PP, you're saying the guys that went into politics.

• 8:47Speaker 02

  That's why the economics bit, I enjoyed. I did enjoy the math part of economics.

• 8:50Patrick Bet-David?

  But at that time, you have no aspirations for politics.

• 8:53Speaker 02

  No, it came later. I did. There was a period where I was very aspirational. I thought about running.

• 8:56Patrick Bet-David?

  To run?

• 8:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, to run as a member of parliament, be a politician. And then I realized it's not for me. When you cover it as a journalist, you're like, this world?

• 9:02Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you mean it's not for you?

• 9:04Speaker 02

  To run for office?

• 9:05Patrick Bet-David?

  You? You ever watch Mamdani? You're like, dude, I could do that better. Mamdani's, I know I could do what Mamdani's.

• 9:11Speaker 02

  No, because I'll tell you why. Mamdani has a, has a electric smile. I know Zoran well. I've met him a few times. He actually spoke at our anniversary party recently and I had to speak after him. And I'm kinda arrogant. I think of myself as a good speaker. I got nervous that day. I had to speak after Zoran Mamdani. What the hell? What am I doing?

• 9:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you feel the energy that he had?

• 9:29Speaker 02

  He was Muhammad Ali. I'm looking straight there, Ali right there. He is the Muhammad Ali of politics right now. Just the energy in the room. People going crazy. His every move, hanging off his every word. He's got that. If he was American born, he would be one of the top runners and writers for 2028 easily.

• 9:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Super capable.

• 9:44Speaker 02

  Um, but here's the difference between me and Zoran Mamdani. There are many differences. The big one is, he has this charming, electric smile. He is a, you know, he's the guy who kisses babies at events. He wins people over. I have what's called R A M F. I have resting angry Muslim face. So when I'm talking to people, when I'm listening, I look mad, right? People have told me this over the years. Producers have told me in my ear, you look angry. Smile. Um, not in a misogynistic way, except women, you should smile. But people tell me, smile.

• 10:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 10:10Speaker 02

  So for me, running for office, I look angry all the time. You can't win like that. You need the smiling. You're brown, you need to be smiling.

• 10:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Kelly or Mickey or people, family that are taking pictures. Uh, Patrick, can you smile, please? I, I'm smiling. You, you're not smiling. So it's, it's not, maybe it's a Middle Eastern thing. I don't know.

• 10:25Speaker 02

  But I think for brown and black people, sorry to come back to racism again, I do think there's that extra pressure to show you're not an angry black man, angry brown man. Obama was always seen as beloved because he was like, oh, you could imagine your daughter marrying him when he comes in the room. There was always that kind of sense, sensibility around Barack Obama.

• 10:39Patrick Bet-David?

  So you think that's the part with Mamdani, he's got a little bit of that Obama-esque thing going for himself?

• 10:45Speaker 02

  I mean, he, look, he won over your guy.

• 10:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. You're talking about Cuomo or you're talking about Sliwa?

• 10:49Speaker 02

  I'm talking about Donald Trump.

• 10:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh.

• 10:51Speaker 02

  He won him over. He went to the white, you saw him in the white.

• 10:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me you don't love the fact that you're saying my guy, that my guy said, just tell him how you feel. Tell me you don't respect that.

• 10:59Speaker 02

  That was an amazing moment.

• 11:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me you don't respect that.

• 11:00Speaker 02

  I respect Mumdani for pulling it off.

• 11:02Patrick Bet-David?

  But do you respect that Trump's like, just tell him you don't like me?

• 11:04Speaker 02

  I don't respect it. I don't understand it.

• 11:05Patrick Bet-David?

  You can't say that.

• 11:06Speaker 02

  I swear to God, I don't understand.

• 11:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Dude, you know you respect the fact that.

• 11:09Speaker 02

  I've studied Donald Trump, unfortunately, through no choice of my own for 12 years. I moved here months before he came down that golden escalator.

• 11:16Patrick Bet-David?

  You respected that.

• 11:17Speaker 02

  I do not respect Donald Trump, but I watched that clip and I genuinely, I'm someone who you could ask me about Trump. I could talk about Trump all day long. I know everything about Trump. That moment still is, he, he looks at Mumdani the way I've never seen him look at anyone. I've never seen him look at Melania the way he looks at Zoran Mumdani, right? In love, just in awe. He goes on Sid Rosenberg's radio show. You see that? Sid, right? He's a jihadist. Mr. President, he hates you. Nah, he's a good guy. He's at the State of the Union.

• 11:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Doesn't get you to say you respect Trump.

• 11:43Speaker 02

  But can you tell me why?

• 11:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I think he respects talent, but honestly, like.

• 11:47Speaker 02

  Like game recognizes game.

• 11:49Patrick Bet-David?

  No, it's, look, you're here. I like your talent and I watch and I see what you're doing. Listen, we may not agree on, you know, 50% of the thing.

• 11:56Speaker 02

  Most other people.

• 11:57Patrick Bet-David?

  But no, he is. He respects talent and he's got it.

• 12:01Speaker 02

  Fawning over people? Trump doesn't fawn over people.

• 12:02Patrick Bet-David?

  To bring the guy over. He's done it with a few different people.

• 12:06Speaker 02

  Vladimir Putin, Kim Jong-un, Zoran Mumdani. Those are my three.

• 12:08Patrick Bet-David?

  What does that say about your Mumdani though? You gotta be careful with that.

• 12:11Speaker 02

  That's why I don't understand.

• 12:12Patrick Bet-David?

  You just put him in a bad place. Be careful what you're doing.

• 12:14Speaker 02

  That's why I don't understand. I genuinely, I don't get.

• 12:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Mary Asang compares Mumdani to Putin and Kim Jong-un. Don't do that. Why are you doing it?

• 12:20Speaker 02

  Out of context, this is why no one likes right wing media. Out of context.

• 12:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Just say, just say you like the fact that they got along with him.

• 12:26Speaker 02

  I do like the fact they got along because.

• 12:27Patrick Bet-David?

  I do as well.

• 12:28Speaker 02

  Because Zoran Mumdani went, in his second time he went to New York, he's so smart. He knows how, you know, Trump is very easily won over.

• 12:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Mm-hmm.

• 12:33Speaker 02

  Uh, he takes a front page of a newspaper, right? He takes a fake newspaper front page. Why has people not thought of this before? With Trump saving New York, gives it to Trump. And then he goes, can you free this Palestinian student who ICE just picked up? By that afternoon, Trump has freed that student, right? That is a mayor who knows how to get results and win over Trump without giving up his own self-respect. Without like fawning over him like I think Wes Moore was in one clip where they used it against him where he was very, very friendly.

• 12:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Will you give any credit for the fact that by the afternoon, the most powerful man in the world gave? than what he asked for.

• 13:02Speaker 02

  No.

• 13:03Patrick Bet-David?

  You won't.

• 13:03Speaker 02

  I'll tell you why. Can I tell you why?

• 13:05Patrick Bet-David?

  When is your birthday?

• 13:05Speaker 02

  Can I tell you why?

• 13:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Where's the July 10th, 79? You are this stubborn?

• 13:09Speaker 02

  Why? You've done your, you've done your homework. I'll tell you why I don't respect it. Because I'm glad Zohar Mandaani did it. But what does it say about our leader, the President of the United States, the Commander in Chief, the self-proclaimed leader of the free world?

• 13:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 13:20Speaker 02

  That it's so easy to play this guy. World leaders have been doing it for years. This is the problem with him. It's so easy to manipulate him. He's so easy to be won over. And I'm, I'm glad when my guy's doing it for a good cause. But people do it for bad causes too. I'm, I'm sure we're going to talk about Israel. Benjamin Netanyahu did it to get him into a war of Iran. That's my problem. You know, when Trump first went to Saudi Arabia after he got elected in 2017, there was a story about how when he drove from the airport to the embassy or hotel, wherever you're staying, the Saudis, this is in 2017, remember his first trip as president was to Saudi Arabia. The Saudis put up on billboards his tweets.

• 13:55Speaker 02

  Can you imagine that? How smart that is? That Trump is driving along and he's seeing his own quotes? Like, these people know how to play him. They know how to suck up to him. Kim Jong-un.

• 14:03Patrick Bet-David?

  His good quotes or his bad quotes?

• 14:05Speaker 02

  Oh, good. They're praising him, right?

• 14:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Alright.

• 14:07Speaker 02

  Every foreign leader knows how you can suck up to Donald Trump. You, you praise him and now, and now in a second term, you give him money. You can now bribe the President of the United States.

• 14:14Patrick Bet-David?

  So do, do you think there's an element, uh, um, you've never been in sales before, but you're a businessman now, right?

• 14:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm selling. I, I have to unfortunately.

• 14:22Patrick Bet-David?

  You're now sales.

• 14:22Speaker 02

  Do that stuff, yeah.

• 14:23Patrick Bet-David?

  And that's.

• 14:23Speaker 02

  Subscribe to Zeta.

• 14:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Join to capitalists, which I'm so happy.

• 14:27Speaker 02

  All the cameras. Z E T E O dot.

• 14:29Patrick Bet-David?

  By, by the way, respectfully, respectfully, you leave mainstream. You're at MSNBC. I think you're the number one guy for them with the eyeballs you guys are getting. I don't know what it was.

• 14:37Speaker 02

  Young people online for sure.

• 14:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, for young people online, you're number one. So. And then, uh, I don't know what the story is, what happened there. We've read a lot of different stories. They were giving you another job. You chose to leave. You do independent. And then independently, you have what? Three and a half million dollar on reoccurring revenue?

• 14:53Speaker 02

  More than.

• 14:54Patrick Bet-David?

  12 month, no, 12 months later.

• 14:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:55Patrick Bet-David?

  12 months later. That's amazing to be able to do that. And then today being a business guy, so it's, it's great to have.

• 15:01Speaker 02

  And I've never run anything in my life, so I was very worried.

• 15:04Patrick Bet-David?

  So maybe that PPE degree you got in economics, that capitalist was inside of you and we brought it out. So that's great.

• 15:09Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 15:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Welcome to the club of capitalists. It's great to have you with us.

• 15:12Speaker 02

  I'm a socialist slash capitalist.

• 15:13Patrick Bet-David?

  A multimillionaire socialist, which is great.

• 15:16Speaker 02

  Wrong with that? Bernie's a millionaire.

• 15:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with that. But let's go to the part about you brought up Trump and Bibi. So Axios brings up the story. At this point, you've seen it. So Rob, if you want to go down so I can read the whole thing, you're effing crazy. Trump fumes at Netanyahu in call on Lebanon. Go a little bit lower, Rob, so I can read the whole thing. So President Trump last Saturday over Israel escalation, Lebanon and an expletive Latin call on Monday. Two US officials and a third source briefed on the call told Axios why it matters early on Monday. Iran threatened to abandon negotiations with the US over Israel saying actions in Lebanon. On the call, Trump called Netanyahu crazy and accused him of ingratitude, according to two of the sources. He also put the brakes on Israel's plan to strike Beirut.

• 16:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Behind the scenes, one US official told Bibi that following threw on his threat to bomb Lebanese capital would further isolate Israel from around the world. Two of the sources said Trump claimed he'd help keep Netanyahu out of jail. He said, "If it wasn't for me, you'd be in jail." Right there, you're effing crazy. You'd be in prison if it weren't for me. I'm saving your ass. Everybody hates you. Everybody hates Israel because of this. Do you think this call happened?

• 16:25Speaker 03

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• 17:26Speaker 02

  The call definitely happened, but both sides are spinning it in their own ways, and they're spinning it with the classic people. So just background on this, this is an Axios piece, the author of this piece is Barak Ravid, who is an award-winning journalist, won a coverage, co-authored by Mark Kaputa, former colleague of mine at NBC News. But Barak Ravid is famous, or should I say now infamous, in media circles for being the guy who the White House always goes to, to leak stuff about conversations with Israel.

• 17:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Is this the guy that leaked that Bibi got up, that Biden got upset?

• 17:53Speaker 02

  Yes, same. So he did both. He's bipartisan. Whether you're Joe Biden...

• 17:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Who's the fair guy?

• 17:58Speaker 02

  Well, it's not about being fair. It's the point is that whoever's in the White House, they know that this is the guy who does the stories about split between Israel and America. So we've had about a dozen, two dozen of these stories over the last three years.

• 18:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Is this the guy you trust?

• 18:10Speaker 02

  Unfortunately, no now. It's not that I don't trust him. I'm not saying he's making stuff up. But I am saying he's clearly become a useful vessel for information from the White House that they want to get out. They know, if you're Joe Biden or you're Donald Trump, you know that if you want to get out that you're pissed at Netanyahu, Barak Ravid is the guy you go to. Now, on the other side, you have Amit Segal, who is one of Israel's most famous journalists, very close to Benjamin Netanyahu, Channel 12, I think, is his network. This guy is now reporting today, the day we're talking, that actually the Israeli side is saying, no, no, Trump never swore at Netanyahu, never mentioned jail or prison, and they disagreed about how to handle Hezbollah in Lebanon. So the question then becomes for those of us who were not in the room, who do you believe? Hmm, serial liar Donald Trump or serial liar

• 18:52Speaker 02

  Benjamin Netanyahu? Journalists who act as vessels for leaders on both sides? It's very hard. This is why people have a real issue with mainstream media right now. Because what do you do in a situation like this, where both sides are spinning furiously? And I can believe either version. I can believe that Trump told him, you're fucking crazy. We wouldn't put that past Donald Trump. I can also believe that they lied to make Trump sound stronger than he is, and now he's telling the truth. I don't know.

• 19:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so how do they typically, how do they typically get the credibility? Because anybody can say this was said. So can you go back to the article when it says two sources were there? What is the, you're in this world, is there a system or a standard to be able to, because this is a big deal here.

• 19:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, it's a big deal. I mean, look, all the traditional rules of political journalism went out the... Out the window when Donald Trump came along, right? So, you know, my colleague Swin Sub Sang reports on the White House for Zeteo. He has very good contacts. And, you know, he tells me some of the crazy stories he gets from behind the scenes in terms of people trying to screw each other over, right? In the Trump administration, there's a very unique dynamic. And, uh, you know, he's referred to as a reservoir dogs dynamic. It's been reserved to where everyone's got a gun to each other's head at the same time. Right? So they're all trying to screw each other over. So that's another issue is are two of the sources people who are allied with each other? Are they from different wings of the White House? You know, Pat, with this Iran war, there are different elements in this administration. Some people want the war done, finished. Some people want it to keep going. So there's different pressures on.

• 20:11Patrick Bet-David?

  This is not a hundred percent, uh, eighty percent story.

• 20:13Speaker 02

  This is no. So there's different people leaking for different agendas to try and end a war or escalate.

• 20:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Give me, give me, how this makes Trump look good? How does it make you look, look bad? Who's winning with the story? Who's not?

• 20:24Speaker 02

  So Trump, you, you know, you know, the MAGA base better than me. Many of them, your viewers, many people in the MAGA base, not, not as many as people suggest. My good friend, Jake Uga, I know you've had on the show. He thinks there's a big split in MAGA. I'm less of that view. I look at the polls, eighty percent of MAGA still loves Trump, seventy percent love this war. But there is a, a growing minority who don't like what's going on with the foreign wars, with the betrayal of anti-war promises. And a lot of them see Donald, uh, Donald Trump as being, you know, uh, what's, I can't come up with a better phrase than Netanyahu's bitch. And this would help Donald Trump say, look, I'm telling Benjamin Netanyahu, fuck you. You're fucking crazy. I saved you from prison. I'm the dominant partner in this relationship. And by the way, this is not just a Trump issue. Every American president who's dealt with Netanyahu has come out getting screwed over.

• 21:09Speaker 02

  Joe Biden got completely screwed over. He gave his entire presidency to save Netanyahu. Look at him today, destroyed. Bill Clinton in the nineties came out of a conversation with Netanyahu. You know what he said to his team? He said, who's the fucking superpower here? He was so pissed that he got talked down to by Benjamin Netanyahu. So American presidents have been dealing with Bibi for many years and they've always tried to assert their dominance and many of them have failed to do so. So I think for Donald Trump, it's good if people believe it. The problem is those of us who know the Axios reporting on this, we're very, very skeptical.

• 21:35Patrick Bet-David?

  So let me ask you this. If you're Trump's advisor, which you're not, but let's just say if you were Trump's advisor and Trump hears you and he says, screw this guy. That call did happen. That's exactly. Exactly what I told them. What does he need to do publicly for even a guy like you to say shit this happened?

• 21:50Speaker 02

  That's a great question because Donald Trump's word means nothing to me. I've been documenting his lies for many years. No one's told more lies than Donald Trump in the public sphere. So actions matter more than words. Same issue with Biden. His people would leak Biden's very upset with Netanyahu. Okay, but what the fuck are you doing about it? Right, many of us frustrated with the genocide. Same question now. What are you gonna do about it? Donald Trump has given Netanyahu everything he wanted. Right, even if this convocation is true, he's saying, I saved you from prison in the sense that he demanded the Israeli president.

• 22:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Did he? Don't you think he did though?

• 22:17Speaker 02

  In many ways he did because every time this war continues, Netanyahu avoids trial, right? Every time there's escalation in the war, he doesn't have to go back to court.

• 22:23Patrick Bet-David?

  That's right.

• 22:24Speaker 02

  And Trump has publicly called on Herzog, the president, to pardon him, which he hasn't done yet, but I'm sure he's feeling the pressure from Trump publicly calling him out. So he has helped Netanyahu, but worse than that, you look at what's happening in Gaza. He's given Netanyahu everything he wanted. And this really bothers me because in 2024, I spent a lot of time pointing out to people on my side, leftists, Muslims, Arab Americans, people in Dearborn, Michigan, who welcomed Trump. And I said to them, you're gonna get screwed over by this guy. No, no, no, no, he's more anti-war than Kamala and Joe. This is what I was told by Arab Americans who voted for Trump. He will be the anti-war president. Stephen Miller said, he won't send our boys to die. Trump said, remember what he said? He goes, Liz Cheney will go to war with Kamala and kill Muslims. I won't. They all believed that shit. Then he bombed, what is it, six countries last year, seven countries last year? Now he's in a war with Iran.

• 23:09Speaker 02

  In Gaza, he had this ceasefire at the beginning that people were very happy about. But since then, he's allowed Netanyahu to do whatever he wants. And earlier this week, Netanyahu went on camera and he said, we now control 60% of Gaza and I'm gonna take 70% of Gaza. Even Biden, Harris, Blinken, none of them said that would be possible. Trump has basically given Netanyahu carte blanche to do whatever he wants in the Gaza Strip. So your answer to your question is, what does he have to do to prove he's holding?

• 23:33Patrick Bet-David?

  A guy like you.

• 23:33Speaker 02

  He has to hold.

• 23:34Patrick Bet-David?

  It's impossible to win a guy like you.

• 23:36Speaker 02

  I will give credit, I'll say it now.

• 23:37Patrick Bet-David?

  If what?

• 23:38Speaker 02

  If, if he manages to get Netanyahu out of Lebanon and out of Gaza, which he won't, but that's what I would want to see, because that's what's happened on his watch. On his watch, Netanyahu has taken more territory in both those places.

• 23:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 23:49Speaker 02

  Prove to me that you actually care about Middle East peace, prove to me that you have control over Netanyahu and American weapons, and get him to pull out. Because right now, Greater Israel is happening in front of our eyes. Netanyahu is doing the project that far-right Israelis have always wanted. He's taking Lebanon, southern Lebanon.

• 24:02Patrick Bet-David?

  You're saying Egypt, Turkey, all this stuff.

• 24:04Speaker 02

  He's taking Gaza. Who knows what's coming next?

• 24:05Patrick Bet-David?

  That's what you're thinking?

• 24:05Speaker 02

  Well, if you embolden the guy, what is the lesson of the last three years? It's impunity. You can do whatever the F you want, and America will never stop you.

• 24:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, do me a favor. Differentiate between what Bibi's vision is and what Israel's vision is.

• 24:17Speaker 02

  What do you mean by that?

• 24:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so for instance, you could have a, you know, there's a difference between what America's vision is.

• 24:23Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 24:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Be the greatest country in the world, versus what AOC's vision would be if she became president, versus Trump, right?

• 24:29Speaker 02

  So-

• 24:29Patrick Bet-David?

  So what do you think is Bibi's vision versus Israel's vision?

• 24:32Speaker 02

  That's a great question, and I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings. We do this thing in the US, especially on the liberal side, where we say, "Look, we're against a Netanyahu government. We're not against Israel or the Israeli people." The problem is the Israeli people have made it very clear over the last three years that they're totally behind all these wars. There's been no real anti-war movement. In Israel, there's no real-

• 24:50Patrick Bet-David?

  There's a little bit. It's not a big number.

• 24:51Speaker 02

  It's tiny. It's tiny. You look at the polling, 80% of Israelis support-

• 24:54Patrick Bet-David?

  20% is what I was gonna say.

• 24:55Speaker 02

  Every military operation blindly. You look at the polling, some of it's horrific, like 80% of Israelis support removing Palestinians from Israel, sorry, from Gaza, and another small majority support ethnically cleansing them from Israel itself, Palestinian citizens of Israel. Israeli society-

• 25:10Patrick Bet-David?

  What percentage was this one?

• 25:11Speaker 02

  So, I think it's 80% say they're fine with getting them out of Gaza, like forcibly-

• 25:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 25:16Speaker 02

  And there's another majority or big plurality of Israelis who, Israeli Jews, who say even Palestinians in Israel should ultimately emigrate.

• 25:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Like the West Bank and some of that.

• 25:24Speaker 02

  No, Israel proper, within the green light.

• 25:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it.

• 25:26Speaker 02

  One-fifth of the population of Israel is Palestinian citizens of Israel. So, the polling is horrific. There was a poll done last year by Penn State, I think it was, where almost half of Israelis said that when we capture a town in Gaza, we should treat it like the Bible and Jericho. We should kill all the inhabitants, all the men. Like, this is kind of crazy. So, okay, all these polls, you take them with a pinch of salt, I get it. But anyone you speak to in Israel who's a serious commentator on Israel- Israeli politics will tell you that over the last five, 10 years, Israeli society has moved to the right, to the far right. In a way that American society has not. Donald Trump is polling in the 30s right now. Even at his peak, he got 49.8% of the vote in the last election. He's never had a majority. In Israel, the right-wing parties, the far-right parties are dominant right now. Maybe in the 90s, early 90s, there was a peace camp. There was Oslo, all this stuff. That's gone now. You could argue about why it's gone.

• 26:11Patrick Bet-David?

  How is that? How is that possible? How is it that in Israel, the guy is being that aggressive and his supporters getting higher?

• 26:20Speaker 02

  I don't think his personal supporters. We'll see what happens in these elections.

• 26:22Patrick Bet-David?

  You just said 80%.

• 26:24Speaker 02

  The war, the war, right? This is what I'm saying. This is why I'm saying don't focus on Netanyahu. It's a very good cop out. Even Bernie Sanders, who I'm a big fan of, he often says Netanyahu, Netanyahu, Netanyahu. A lot of Palestinians say Bernie's not Netanyahu, it's Israel. It's the Israeli political establishment. So if you swap out, I'll give you one example. If you swap out Netanyahu tomorrow with Naftali Bennett, who's an opposition leader, former prime minister, I interviewed him once. Naftali Bennett is also on the right, also likes war, has threatened Turkey, has threatened Lebanon. You've got another opposition leader, Avadar Lieberman, former defense minister. You know what he said this week? That flattened the suburbs of Beirut. We should be going in and not listen, don't listen to Trump. So the opposition in Israel are equally hawkish, right-wing. So this idea that it's all about Netanyahu, it's a myth, I'm sorry to say.

• 27:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so you're saying the two are the same, is what you're saying?

• 27:07Speaker 02

  On, on, on issues of war and peace, yes. I'm sure in some domestic politics, tax rates.

• 27:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Which is smaller stuff.

• 27:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, domestically within Israel, I'm sure they are. When it comes down to the region, Israel's role in the region.

• 27:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me what the vision is. If you, if you think, what do you think their vision is? What do you think Israel's vision is?

• 27:21Speaker 02

  There's, there's a best-case scenario and there's a worst-case scenario. The best-case scenario is that they have this idea of, um, we must be in a state of permanent war footing, right? I think there's a phrase for it, I forget the name, combat between the conflicts. There's a military doctrine that says even when we're not at war, we carry on doing preemptive strikes, we carry on doing cyber warfare, we carry on doing assassinations. So that Israel remains the regional hegemon. We keep our superiority, our military edge. We, we let everyone know in the region who's boss, even when we're not in a formal state of war. That's the best-case scenario, that this is just a security doctrine that says we will bomb and invade whoever we like, just to remain top dog in the region. That's best-case scenario. Worst-case scenario is it's ideological. That these are fanatical, messianic people who believe that all of the territory is theirs, given to them by the Bible.

• 28:04Speaker 02

  I interviewed Naftali Bennett in 2017, nearly a decade ago for Al Jazeera. He was education minister at the time. I never forget this interview. I said to him, we were talking about peace treaties and two-state solution, and he said, the Bible says it's ours. I've never heard someone say that bluntly to my face. I can't imagine Ilhan Omar going on TV and saying, "The Quran says this." Right? This guy's openly saying, "The Bible says the land is out." Where do you go with that? There's no debate after that, right? That's just a kind of religious, ethnic nationalist, messianic vision. So Benjamin Netanyahu, even though he's not a religious man, has signed off on a greater Israel. He was asked about whether he believes in it, and he said, "Absolutely." The opposition leader, Yair Lapid, who's a kind of centrist, supposedly a liberal, he was asked after the Mike Huckabee/Tucker Carlson interview. He said, "Do you agree with Mike Huckabee? That all of the territories from the Bible, it's all yours?"

• 28:49Speaker 02

  He said, "Our borders are biblical." That's what the opposition leader said. Forget the right-wingers Smotrich and Ben Gavir.

• 28:55Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you think is likely that their vision becomes a reality?

• 28:58Speaker 02

  Right now, more likely than not, because the United States of America has allowed Israel to get away with a genocide.

• 29:03Patrick Bet-David?

  For how long? I mean, long term?

• 29:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, long term, no. Long term, it's perpetual war for perpetual peace.

• 29:09Patrick Bet-David?

  And by the way, deep down inside, do you really think Trump wants his war to continue?

• 29:13Speaker 02

  No, Trump doesn't like long wars. He likes short wars. That's why he's been humiliated by Iran, because he thought this would be over in a few days.

• 29:18Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, nobody thought Iran was going to be able to, like, not, not nobody. A lot of people on his camp, when they sat there and talked about it, it is a very fair argument to say that...

• 29:27Speaker 02

  No.

• 29:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me make my point on what I'm saying. It is a very fair argument to say that unlike Venezuela,

• 29:33Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 29:34Patrick Bet-David?

  which we went and we got Maduro and we're out, most likely Cuba's going to be the same way as Venezuela, probably even easier, when they go through and get it.

• 29:41Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 29:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Iran showed up strength to the world.

• 29:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:45Patrick Bet-David?

  And you got to give him credit, no matter what, no matter what anybody says, conservative or on the left.

• 29:49Speaker 02

  You can give them credit militarily, obviously not politically, but Trump, I don't think we can defend him with "nobody knew this," but he did this line recently. "Nobody knew they were going to hit the Gulf States." We all knew they were going to hit the Gulf States. They've been saying this for years.

• 29:59Patrick Bet-David?

  That Iran was going to hit the Gulf States.

• 30:00Speaker 02

  That Iran was going to hit the Gulf States. That's been their doctrine for years.

• 30:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you think that unified the Gulf States even more?

• 30:05Speaker 02

  No. I think, I think we've wrecked our long-term relationship with the Gulf States.

• 30:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me why.

• 30:09Speaker 02

  I think in private, all of these Gulf States will... In public, they'll say what they got to say, but in private, they know the US security umbrella does not extend to them anymore. They know that even if they give Donald Trump a $400 million plane, even if they put half a billion dollar in his crypto business, Israel will always take precedence over them.

• 30:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you think, do you think the Gulf States prefer Iran to be... Led by IRGC or you know the story we saw recently with Pezeshkian who's a moderate stepping down because it's like everything's being brown. Who do you think the Gulf states would rather have?

• 30:35Speaker 02

  I think the Gulf states are not a monolith festival, Patrick, because the UAE is very different to Qatar and Kuwait, right?

• 30:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Sure, but they're neighbors.

• 30:41Speaker 02

  They're neighbors, but they have different foreign policy.

• 30:42Patrick Bet-David?

  I understand.

• 30:43Speaker 02

  The UAE is an outlier. The UAE is very hawkish, very pro-Israel, very pro-America, very anti-Iran. Which is kind of crazy because, you know, the US and Israel move on with their lives, the UAE is exposed to Iran for the rest of their lives.

• 30:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Isn't UAE succeeding the most out of most of the Gulf states when you're financially?

• 30:58Speaker 02

  Are they? Are they? So many businesses have cleared out, tourism has fallen. It's a huge industry based on tourism.

• 31:04Patrick Bet-David?

  For the time, for the time.

• 31:05Speaker 02

  You think people are gonna go back? I think my thing is.

• 31:08Patrick Bet-David?

  I think so.

• 31:09Speaker 02

  I think that their image has been permanently destroyed. I don't think you could put it back in the bottle. They had this image, especially to kind of white westerners, as this business, tourist, even residential utopia. You go there, there's no crime, you chill out, everything's cheaper, et cetera, et cetera. I think that's gone now. Once Iran has done this, I think they've destroyed that image. Now, if you're Amazon or Europe, whatever it is, Chase Bank, you're gonna go back into Dubai, Abu Dhabi, knowing that Iran can then do this again at any time they want? As long as Iran is still run by the same government, I don't think these Gulf states get that image back. And I think the Qataris understand that, even the Saudis understand that. They want a region, I think privately, and I may be wrong, and the few people in the Gulf I speak to say this to me, they recognize that Israel is the real problem in the region.

• 31:51Speaker 02

  They may not say so publicly, some of them have signed up to the Abrahamic laws like Bahri and et cetera. UAE, but I think they understand that Israel is the destabilizing force in the region. It's Israel that bombed six countries in the Middle East last year. It wasn't Iran that did that. It's Israel that went to war now and brought the United States into this conflict and led to Iran bombing Kuwait and Qatar and Saudi Arabia and the UAE. And I think that is the situation we're in. I think you're gonna see these Gulf states, if they're smart, making overtures to the Chinese and to the Russians in future years, they have to kind of diversify who they rely on.

• 32:19Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, maybe it's me being Assyrian, maybe it's me being Armenian, maybe the fact that I lived in Iran could be the reason for this. But nobody.

• 32:31Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, sells Israel as this incredibly powerful organization and brains than those who hate Israel. All they talk about is how powerful Israel is. I don't think there's anybody that's the Don King promoting how smart, intellectual, brilliant Israel is than those who cannot stand Israel.

• 32:52Speaker 02

  But I'm not, I'm not one of those.

• 32:53Patrick Bet-David?

  But, but, but if, okay, so if you.

• 32:54Speaker 02

  I mean, I, let me, let me just go through the list. I'm, I'm not somebody who said Iran would roll over. I said Iran would make Iraq look like a walk in the park.

• 33:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Not that, but I'm talking about like how.

• 33:01Speaker 02

  I warned that Iran and America would not be able to destroy Iran in the way they thought they could destroy Iran. It was insane, it was hubris to think they could do that. I've been saying that for 15 years. I've been saying it since Iraq, 2003, when I was a 23-year-old marching against that war. When Bush was thinking about Iran, I was saying.

• 33:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you afraid of Israel?

• 33:16Speaker 02

  Am I afraid of?

• 33:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you afraid of Israel?

• 33:18Speaker 02

  What do you mean?

• 33:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you afraid of Israel's aspirations?

• 33:20Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. But aspirations are different, right? Can they pull it off? I agreed with you that just because they have this messianic vision, doesn't mean they're gonna win.

• 33:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 33:29Speaker 02

  I agree with that.

• 33:30Patrick Bet-David?

  I mean, to me, it's like, okay, like.

• 33:31Speaker 02

  They didn't win in Gaza.

• 33:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Bro.

• 33:33Speaker 02

  Patrick, I said in 2023, I said this whole plan, when, when people were like yourself and others were saying Israel has a right to self-defense, destroy Hamas, you can't. There is no military solution to your problem.

• 33:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so you know, you know, you know what it is for me. Uh, oh, don't talk to Mehdi, because Mehdi's gonna do this, this. No, I wanna talk to Mehdi. No, I'm telling you, be careful. No, I wanna talk to Mehdi. Oh, don't talk to Bibi, because I'm, no, I wanna talk to him. I wish you had an hour and a half to talk. No, don't talk to Nick. No, don't talk to this guy. I wanna talk to him. I don't sit there and see that, my God, everything, that they're so powerful, they're gonna do, control America, they do this, they do that. I mean, you, you're kinda giving them too much credit.

• 34:07Speaker 02

  I mean, you're mixing different things together, though. One thing is militarily, can they win on battlefields? No, not always. Um, Hezbollah defeated them in 2000 famously. That was the first time they were defeated by an Arab force on a battlefield when they withdrew from southern Lebanon. They're back now. We were told Hezbollah was done. Do you remember a couple years ago? Oh, the pages and the assassination of Asra, they're done. It was a paper tiger. They just killed 30 Israeli soldiers in the last few weeks, right? They've injured hundreds more. Who knows what the real numbers are? So clearly, they're not done for. Hamas is still around, and the Iranians still have, what, 70% of their missile stock, according to US intelligence? So the idea that these were all paper tigers was bullshit. That's a different argument. I'm not a military expert. I'm not gonna sit here and adjudicate, you know, who has the strength in the field. Politically, though, in this country, does Israel still have power? Sure. They still have politicians who support them. They still have lobby groups that advocate on their behalf.

• 34:52Patrick Bet-David?

  So does China, so does Qatar.

• 34:53Speaker 02

  No, not on the level of Israel. Come on.

• 34:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, okay, let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. If you had. Five billion dollars.

• 35:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:02Patrick Bet-David?

  To win over influence in people in America politically.

• 35:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:05Patrick Bet-David?

  And inject your way of thinking.

• 35:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Would you put that money to buy over congressmen and senators? Or would you put that money into winning over kids? Where would you put your money?

• 35:16Speaker 02

  Both.

• 35:16Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no.

• 35:17Speaker 02

  Either of them.

• 35:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, then do diversify, diversify. Seriously, use it as a mutual fund.

• 35:21Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 35:21Patrick Bet-David?

  You got five billion dollars. How much you put in one? How much you put in the other one? Honestly.

• 35:25Speaker 02

  I don't know. I haven't thought about it.

• 35:26Patrick Bet-David?

  But I want you to think about it.

• 35:27Speaker 02

  Fifty fifty. I think they're both important.

• 35:29Patrick Bet-David?

  You think.

• 35:29Speaker 02

  You talk about, when you say young people, you mean like TikTok?

• 35:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Universities, I'm talking about universities, TikTok, social, you know, give money to universities, give money to places to get the kids influence. Where would you put the money in?

• 35:39Speaker 02

  But let me, let me, let me, let me take your example, take it a step further. Okay, let's say I put it all in students. I win over young people. That's already happened. Have you seen the polling? The young people hate Israel.

• 35:47Patrick Bet-David?

  I, I know.

• 35:48Speaker 02

  But, but, but does it translate into policy? No, because the Congress still controls the purse strings. So I'll give you one example. Eight percent of Democrats support Israel's war in Gaza. Eight percent, according to a poll last year. In Congress, it's the other way around. It's like eighty percent of Democrats support Israel. Only eight or ten percent are voting against weapons or genocide. I'm ballpark figures here. So what's the disconnect? The disconnect is we have a Congress that doesn't represent the public on either side of the divide. I don't think the Republican Party fully represents its base, but more so. Democratic Party certainly doesn't represent its base on Israel. The leadership, look at these primaries. We're sitting on a day where there's going to be a bunch of primaries. So my big point here is, yes, it's great that young people have been won over. It's great that everyone under the age of fifty in the United States of America, whether Republican or Democrat, does not want more weapons going to Israel. That's the latest polling, under the age of fifty, everyone.

• 36:33Patrick Bet-David?

  That makes sense to me.

• 36:34Speaker 02

  Right? But Congress does. So the disconnect, this is why we have such a crisis of democracy. This is why Israel matters so much in our political system. It's not just a foreign policy issue. It's an issue of our democracy where we have members of Congress and a president who does not follow American will, does not follow the will of the voters. And so to answer your question, yeah, you do need to spend money lobbying Congress because ultimately they're the ones voting on weapons. They're the ones voting on aid. They're the ones voting to censor our speech, saying anti-Zionism is antisemitism. All of that stuff is coming out of Congress. And people say, oh, Qatar and this. I just gave you an example. The Qataris gave him a four hundred million dollar plane. The, uh, the Emiratis gave him a half a billion dollars for his crypto fund. The Saudis are sponsoring multiple multimillion dollar golf tournaments at his properties, hotels. Did it come in useful? When it came down to it, he picked Israel. He picked Miriam Adelson.

• 37:18Speaker 02

  He picked Benjamin Netanyahu. He picked AIPAC. He picked Marco Rubio.

• 37:23Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know about that.

• 37:23Speaker 02

  He picked all these people. What do you mean? We've seen it with our eyes.

• 37:25Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know about that. I don't. Listen, let me ask you this. Do you think? And by the way, you didn't answer my question. So I want to stay on the money part and then I'm going to go to the next question.

• 37:32Speaker 02

  I did answer. I said, I could spend it all on the kids. It doesn't matter.

• 37:34Patrick Bet-David?

  No, but so what?

• 37:35Speaker 02

  Ultimately, Congress is still more important.

• 37:36Patrick Bet-David?

  So what? So you would put all the money in Congress and?

• 37:38Speaker 02

  No, both. I said split.

• 37:39Patrick Bet-David?

  You would do 50/50?

• 37:40Speaker 02

  50/50. Win over the people and then win over the people who represent the people.

• 37:43Patrick Bet-David?

  So where does Qatar put their money? They put 6.5 billion in universities. Where does China put their money? 5.5 billion dollars in universities. What type of influence you think they got long term? You think long term? Like you think China thinks short term? You think Qatar thinks short term? You think they're trying to buy influence long term when they get in front of the kids?

• 38:02Speaker 02

  You think? Do you have evidence? It's a serious question.

• 38:05Patrick Bet-David?

  The dollar?

• 38:05Speaker 02

  No, I mean, no, no, I'm talking about, do you have evidence that? First of all, what Chinese investment has gone into universities?

• 38:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you want to pull it up, Rob? I mean, this, you know.

• 38:12Speaker 02

  I know that Qatar is a sponsor. I've been to Georgetown, Qatar. They spend a lot of money on US universities. It's great. I'm asking about what's China's sponsored university?

• 38:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, China's given donations to?

• 38:22Speaker 02

  The Chinese government sponsors American universities? I did not know this.

• 38:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me pull up these numbers.

• 38:25Speaker 02

  I'm happy to show my ignorance here.

• 38:27Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, I don't know where the money is coming from, but I'll show you here. China has invested an estimated 5.6, I was short by billion.

• 38:34Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 38:35Patrick Bet-David?

  6.4 billion American universities over the recent decade, making it one of the largest foreign. So why are they doing it? Are they dumb?

• 38:42Speaker 02

  You didn't read the third sentence.

• 38:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Which is what?

• 38:44Speaker 02

  These ones? You think research partnerships with the Chinese is making kids on campus pro-China?

• 38:49Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's not what I'm saying. Okay, Mehdi, you're very smart. So you went to Oxford. You got the PPE degree. Because it's like, not the PPP loan, you got the legit PPE degree, right? Do you not think if these schools are getting this types of money, which phone call you think they're picking up?

• 39:06Speaker 02

  Oh, we know, we know, Patrick, because we just saw what happened the last three years. Did Columbia go pro-Israel or pro-Qatar?

• 39:12Patrick Bet-David?

  But what did Columbia do?

• 39:13Speaker 02

  They went pro-Israel. They silenced all the pro-Palestinian.

• 39:16Patrick Bet-David?

  But what did they do?

• 39:18Speaker 02

  They rolled over for Donald Trump and they rolled over for the Israel lobby.

• 39:20Patrick Bet-David?

  What was the event that happened that got him to get there?

• 39:23Speaker 02

  I don't know which event.

• 39:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Why did they do that?

• 39:26Speaker 02

  I don't know. I don't know where you're going with this.

• 39:27Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, you follow the stories. You're telling me, who was it? It was three universities, right? Columbia is one of them.

• 39:33Speaker 02

  And there was a bunch of universities, a crackdown on pro-Palestinian centers.

• 39:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Why did they do that?

• 39:36Speaker 02

  Multiple reasons. Pressure from politicians who are pro-Israel. Pressure from donors who are pro-Israel. Pressure from activist groups. This whole ridiculous debate where we conflate criticism of Israel with antisemitism. I remember when I launched-

• 39:49Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm not with that. Just so you know, like in Florida, when they're saying you can't debate and criticize Israel, I'm not part of that camp.

• 39:54Speaker 02

  Not just that. DeSantis is one of the many governors and Republicans-

• 39:58Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm not part of that camp.

• 39:58Speaker 02

  Who have said that if you're an American business that engages in BDS, you can't get contracts with the state. That's insane. An American business can't do what it wants to do.

• 40:05Patrick Bet-David?

  But by the way, what I'm trying to tell you is, I think the reasonable people are not with that. Short term, some of these things may come and go. Long term, they're not. I had Randy, what's his last name? Randy Fine.

• 40:17Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 40:17Patrick Bet-David?

  I had him on and I asked him the question about where he's at. And I think you may have even tweeted something about it when we talked about it. I asked him a couple of questions, pointed whether he was pro-America, America first, or Israel first. If you're in America, hey, I have a problem with you not being America first, but I want to go back to this. If they give 6 billion, you think they're dumb that they're just giving 6 billion to universities? You don't think they want things in return?

• 40:41Speaker 02

  No, I think everyone, I think you made that point earlier. There are many lobbies trying to get their way. I'm not disputing that there are many lobbies. In fact, I'm the one who says, let's not treat the Israel lobby as a unique lobby. People are like, oh my god, AIPAC. I always say AIPAC, NRA-

• 40:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Great, all of them.

• 40:52Speaker 02

  Big Pharma, all of these people. I want to get money out of politics. I'm on the left. I'm a Bernie, Elizabeth Warren.

• 40:57Patrick Bet-David?

  I want to get money out of politics.

• 40:58Speaker 02

  Let's get rid of Citizens United. Yeah, Citizens United, where's Supreme Court decision?

• 41:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 41:01Speaker 02

  Okay, so, but let me come back to your direct point about influence. I'm not disputing that they're spending money, they're lobbying, everyone's doing it. I'm saying Israel's winning, and the evidence is what's happened.

• 41:10Patrick Bet-David?

  See, I'm saying Israel's losing.

• 41:11Speaker 02

  I've, not only do I have a kid in college, I have multiple Muslim friends, leftist friends with kids in colleges.

• 41:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Kids are now Jewish.

• 41:18Speaker 02

  I have kids who've been arrested.

• 41:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 41:20Speaker 02

  I have kids who've been doxxed. I know kids who've been suspended. I know kids who've been expelled because of their criticism of Israel. I watched a video of Ramasa Osturk, a young Turkish student at Tufts, be picked up by eight ICE agents and detained because she wrote an op-ed- in her student paper saying we should divest from Israel and Marco Rubio had her detained for a year. Right? So don't tell me that Qatar is winning this argument. Qatar is not winning the argument on campus.

• 41:42Patrick Bet-David?

  So.

• 41:42Speaker 02

  That's just a complete, the three, last three years is a complete denial.

• 41:46Patrick Bet-David?

  I get your argument, but I, I would, I would dispute it in the following way. Everybody is trying to win influence. Everybody.

• 41:53Speaker 02

  Agreed.

• 41:53Patrick Bet-David?

  And they're spending money. So no matter what it is, everybody. But the question is, whose money is working and who's not? The part where I go that's not working is do you think Israel's popularity in America has increased or decreased the last five years?

• 42:07Speaker 02

  No, because you, that's a different argument. That's because people saw a genocide livestream to their phones. Right? And you can't, you can't buy your way out of that.

• 42:13Patrick Bet-David?

  It's more than, that's one of it.

• 42:14Speaker 02

  That's one of the biggest.

• 42:15Patrick Bet-David?

  It's one of the bigger issues, but it's more than that. So, so whatever they did, like even when Charlie Kirk, you know, the letters came out when he was having a conversation with Bibi. And I don't know if it was the seven things he wrote, the six things. Do you remember that when he wrote a letter? I don't know if you remember that or not.

• 42:28Speaker 02

  I wasn't a big Charlie Kirk reader. You'll be shocked here.

• 42:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, well, you would have liked him. It was a special guy.

• 42:32Speaker 02

  No, he didn't like me. He wanted me deported. He called for me to be deported from this country because he's such a free speech champion he was.

• 42:38Patrick Bet-David?

  So what was his reason for it?

• 42:39Speaker 02

  Because I said something about COVID that he didn't like.

• 42:41Patrick Bet-David?

  What did you say about COVID?

• 42:43Speaker 02

  Something about the whole school, my position on, you know, lockdowns, vaccines, whatever it was. He didn't like it, but instead of debating me on it, he said, who's this guy? He should be deported from the country.

• 42:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you tell me specific what it was, Rob?

• 42:55Speaker 02

  Rob can pull it up. There's a lot of.

• 42:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Now, if you said something crazy shit on Twitter and then he responds back to you.

• 43:01Speaker 02

  Hold on, even if I said something crazy, the First Amendment.

• 43:03Patrick Bet-David?

  He can say crazy too.

• 43:03Speaker 02

  First Amendment doesn't cover crazy?

• 43:04Patrick Bet-David?

  First Amendment, it can, it can also say that.

• 43:06Speaker 02

  But you think we should threaten people with deportation?

• 43:08Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know. You said some crazy shit. What did you say?

• 43:11Speaker 02

  No, I didn't say anything crazy. I'm just saying, even let's say I did say something crazy.

• 43:13Patrick Bet-David?

  No, but even let's just say.

• 43:14Speaker 02

  I didn't say anything crazy.

• 43:14Patrick Bet-David?

  But let's just say he said that. That's his freedom to be crazy.

• 43:17Speaker 02

  Of course, it's his freedom.

• 43:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 43:19Speaker 02

  I'm not gonna like the guy. You're like, I would agree with him. That's how we got onto Kirk. I'm like, why would I agree with the guy who hated Islam?

• 43:23Patrick Bet-David?

  No, you don't, you don't have.

• 43:24Speaker 02

  He hated Islam and he wanted me deported.

• 43:26Patrick Bet-David?

  That's a different story.

• 43:27Speaker 02

  That's a different story.

• 43:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, uh, but by the way.

• 43:28Speaker 02

  Rob is fast.

• 43:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob is fast.

• 43:30Speaker 02

  We need you, Rob.

• 43:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Charlie.

• 43:32Speaker 02

  This is speed.

• 43:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Charlie was a phenomenal, phenomenal guy, but let me, let me go back to it.

• 43:36Speaker 02

  We'll have to agree to disagree.

• 43:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, that's totally fine. So, but where was I going with this? We were talking about the influence. And then we went to universities. What topic were we on? I brought up Charlie. Rob, do you know where I was going?

• 43:46Speaker 02

  You were saying, talking to Netanyahu and this stuff.

• 43:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh yeah. When he talked to Netanyahu with the seven points and he said to him, he said. You're losing the kids. Whatever you're doing, the propaganda, you're losing the kids. So it's not working. So if you say the influence of AIPAC or whatever they're spending their money to win over Congress and all these other guys. Guess what happened? I think they gave money to John Cornyn. AIPAC did. He lost. He's been there for forty plus years. Paxton won.

• 44:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:12Patrick Bet-David?

  So what happened with that guy winning? He was a guy that was not even supposed to win. He had issues, letters came out with his wife, all this other stuff. It wasn't a pretty thing. So I don't know if their influence, don't get me wrong, when you talk about Mary, you know, she's, she's put up some real money there. I mean, she

• 44:26Speaker 02

  Trump's been very open about

• 44:27Patrick Bet-David?

  She's, she's put up some real money.

• 44:28Speaker 02

  And can I say, I don't think we're disagreeing that much. I think I'm, we're not actually disagreeing. I agree with you. I'm, I'm the first to say I'm very happy to see young people switching on this. I never thought there would, a day would come in my lifetime where polls showed that the American public supports Palestine more than Israel, which we're now seeing from Pew and Gallup. That's an amazing change in public opinion for people like me. But what I'm trying to say to you is all of that is valueless, worthless. Why the AIPAC calculation might make sense to AIPAC is, well, who cares what public opinions say? If we can, if we, it is short term, but if we can control. But they don't think long term.

• 44:59Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, no, no.

• 45:00Speaker 02

  Maybe the Chinese do. The Israelis think short term.

• 45:02Patrick Bet-David?

  No, I'm not talking Israeli.

• 45:03Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 45:04Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm talking about those who wanted to make sure, like whatever their belief is, whatever your belief is, folks that are not pro-Israel, right? And hey.

• 45:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, they've not won hearts and minds. We agree on that.

• 45:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, no, no, I think I, I go to schools and I talk to kids. First thing I ask is, who do you watch? Used to be Charlie Kirk, who is it now? Da, da, da. Really? What's your position with Israel? Oh, boom, they, I mean, it's like zero to anger towards Israel. So guess what that means? Whatever the propaganda was, correct or not, it worked for those that are anti-Israel.

• 45:36Speaker 02

  But guess what's scary? But guess what's scary? When the pro-Israel side hear you say that? When they see the numbers of people watching Candace Owens or Tucker Carlson or Nick Fuentes, God help us. When they hear that, they don't go, shit, we need to work harder to win hearts and minds. What they say is, we need to crack down on democracy and free speech. Cause that's the only way we stay in power. That is why Peter Beinart, my good friend who used to be a hardcore Zionist, now a liberal.

• 45:58Patrick Bet-David?

  It works anymore.

• 45:59Speaker 02

  Peter makes the point that you're gonna See a lot of Zionist groups in this country aligning with the right. Traditionally, American Jewish groups have been pro Democrat liberal.

• 46:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 46:07Speaker 02

  But now they're aligning with Trump and MAGA because they see a way of suppressing speech and joining with authoritarian forces because they can't win the argument fair and square.

• 46:16Patrick Bet-David?

  I think that's a mistake.

• 46:17Speaker 02

  It is a mistake.

• 46:17Patrick Bet-David?

  And but but.

• 46:18Speaker 02

  But that's what they're doing, Jonathan.

• 46:19Patrick Bet-David?

  I understand that, but what I'm saying to you is it's very important to win over the kids. Very.

• 46:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Important to win over kids. And when I see China, Qatar putting that kind of money in schools, you know, their long term thinking is let's win these kids over and let's see what happens. So I don't think Israel is winning when it comes down to winning over.

• 46:39Speaker 02

  Did you see the Jerusalem Post Conference in New York this week?

• 46:42Patrick Bet-David?

  No.

• 46:43Speaker 02

  They hosted a conference that ties in with the Israel Day crazy parade. They had Ronald Lauda, the Estee Lauda guy, the billionaire, giving a speech. His son in law is the Federal Reserve guy, Kevin Warshy.

• 46:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Mm hmm.

• 46:53Speaker 02

  I remember his name.

• 46:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Is he a Jewish? Is Jewish?

• 46:55Speaker 02

  Ronald Lauda is a very leading figure in the American Jewish community, big supporter of Israel. He gave a speech at Jerusalem Post Conference and in that speech.

• 47:01Patrick Bet-David?

  There you go.

• 47:02Speaker 02

  He said that Mossad and Shin Bet, the Israeli intelligence, domestic and foreign intelligence, should be working hard to get American kids to support Israel, influence operations. Openly called for it in a speech. There's a clip doing that. It's insane, right? So when you're talking about, this is what I'm saying to you, it's not that they don't know what's happening, but their solutions are so batshit crazy.

• 47:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Go back to that story.

• 47:21Speaker 02

  And so authoritarian.

• 47:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Israel is losing the information war.

• 47:25Speaker 02

  So they get it. They agree with you and me.

• 47:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 47:27Speaker 02

  But their solutions are scary as shit. They're authoritarian.

• 47:29Patrick Bet-David?

  It's not gonna work today, though.

• 47:30Speaker 02

  I I hope it's the one.

• 47:31Patrick Bet-David?

  You know why it's not gonna work? You know why it's not gonna work today? Why is it not gonna work? Are you with MSNBC today?

• 47:35Speaker 02

  No.

• 47:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, where are you at?

• 47:37Speaker 02

  I'm independent.

• 47:38Patrick Bet-David?

  What can you talk about?

• 47:39Speaker 02

  Anything I want.

• 47:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Anything you want. As long as you don't say something crazy that you get a strike on YouTube, you're good to go.

• 47:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, but that's the thing, right? Look at TikTok. When Mitt Romney had Antony Blinken on stage, do you remember that famous conversation a couple of years back? And he said, everyone was like, oh, they're going off to TikTok because of China, because of China, because of China. And Mitt Romney just sits with Blinken and says, every time I go on TikTok, you see six times, seven times as many pro Palestinian posts as pro Israel posts. We gotta do something about them. Blinken's annoyed. I'm like, Mitt, you're not supposed to say that out loud. You're supposed to say that in a small, filled room. He said it on stage, right? He made it clear that the TikTok, taking over TikTok by the Ellison's and Co. was always about Israel more than it was about China. And that does worry me because you could say, oh, well, I wonder today if, God forbid, the genocide restarted today at the level it did in October 2023 after the horrific massacre on October 7th. What would we see on our social media screens today?

• 48:26Speaker 02

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• 49:15Patrick Bet-David?

  So if you, okay, fair on what could happen there. But to me, I think the independent content creators, Israel wasn't used to these guys 20 years ago. And this is a very different game. Very different game. So they were not accustomed to these guys coming on and not needing anybody and just sit in front of the computer, play video games and talk. And nowadays, you have streamers. Streamers are influencing kids. Gamers are influencing kids. How long this is gonna last? I don't know.

• 49:42Speaker 02

  But look what the UK government just did. My country.

• 49:44Patrick Bet-David?

  With Jenk and Hasan.

• 49:45Speaker 02

  They just banned Jenk and Hasan. So again, that's the short-term crackdown. We can't win the argument.

• 49:49Patrick Bet-David?

  What was the reasoning, by the way? What did they say?

• 49:50Speaker 02

  Anti-Israel.

• 49:51Patrick Bet-David?

  But what was a specific thing?

• 49:52Speaker 02

  They didn't give a specific as far as I'm aware.

• 49:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, I mean, UK, you know your country.

• 49:55Speaker 02

  I didn't see, I haven't seen the details. Because I'm a bunch of Jews. I know that they didn't say, "Ban for criticizing Israel," they say. I don't know what the UK government has said. But...

• 50:05Patrick Bet-David?

  But they're saying this. You don't know if that's the position.

• 50:07Speaker 02

  I don't know. I don't know the exact... But my point being, my point being, this is exactly what we just talked about, which is, again, we can't debate with Hasan Piker, the streamer, so we just prevent him from coming to speak.

• 50:18Patrick Bet-David?

  You can do it here, though. This is specifically UK.

• 50:20Speaker 02

  But my point is, but they're doing, no, no, but they're doing it in reverse, right? So with the UK, you pressure the UK government.

• 50:25Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know about Jenk, but you wanna pull up some of the stuff Hasan said? You wanna give him feedback on what he said?

• 50:29Speaker 02

  Like, I give him feedback. I know Hasan very well.

• 50:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Have you heard about some of the stuff?

• 50:33Speaker 02

  He knows that he said some dumb...

• 50:34Patrick Bet-David?

  He said the capitalist blood on the, you know...

• 50:36Speaker 02

  He said some outrageous stuff.

• 50:38Patrick Bet-David?

  He said, is he the guy that's making 9/11 happen again?

• 50:41Speaker 02

  No, what he said, okay, come on, hold on.

• 50:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you just pull up the crazy shit?

• 50:44Speaker 02

  No, no, no, hold on, hold on. I'm not gonna...

• 50:46Patrick Bet-David?

  I know you're gonna defend him, but I wanna know what some of the stuff is.

• 50:48Speaker 02

  I'm not gonna defend him, actually. Well, I'm gonna defend him from falsehoods. I've spoken to Hasan very bluntly and said, "You've given your opponent..." Yes, in, what is the context of that?

• 50:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me.

• 50:57Speaker 02

  The context, he was talking about American foreign policy and, you know, the quote unquote famous line about, you know, chickens coming home to roost. It was a very provocative statement. He's apologized for that, by the way, just to be clear. But even Robert Kagan, you know, Robert Kagan is the big neocon. He came out recently and said, you know what? Nine eleven was a result of our bad foreign policy. He just said it in a more diplomatic, Atlantic magazine friendly way.

• 51:16Patrick Bet-David?

  So you're supporting him saying that, Hasan Piker?

• 51:18Speaker 02

  No, he shouldn't have said it like that because America deserved nine eleven, makes it sound that those people died was worth it. No, but did America bring nine eleven on itself? One hundred percent. Uh, US foreign policy created Osama bin Laden, created Al Qaeda, created all of these wars in the Middle East, created that jihad in Afghanistan. One hundred and ten percent. That was a blowback from US foreign policy. Every serious scholar who's looked at that admits that now, twenty years, we're coming up to twenty fifth anniversary of nine eleven. Even Robert Kagan is saying.

• 51:41Patrick Bet-David?

  When do you think, Rob, can you pull up? How many arrests happened in UK versus other countries on social media? I don't know if you've seen this, it's worth watching it.

• 51:49Speaker 02

  Yes, I've seen it, it's a little bit out of context.

• 51:51Patrick Bet-David?

  But you know, when you, when you talk about Piker, Hasan Piker, what he said. To me, you can say anything you want to say. The only thing I have a problem with is when it comes down to a threat to someone's life.

• 52:01Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 52:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Give your opinion. Hey, I disagree with this guy's a, this, this guy's a that, but when it gets down to that and then.

• 52:06Speaker 02

  He's never threatened anyone's life.

• 52:08Patrick Bet-David?

  When he said capitalist blood, let them die. Can you pull up that clip?

• 52:14Speaker 02

  I don't know that clip, I need to see the full context.

• 52:16Patrick Bet-David?

  If Hasan sat right here, I'm forty seven, you're forty six, I think we're a year apart, you're seventy nine, right? Okay, so we're the same age. So when you sit down with a young guy like that and we've made some major mistakes in our career.

• 52:27Speaker 02

  I just told you, I talk to Hasan all the time, don't give your opponent sticks with.

• 52:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Here's the one, watch this.

• 52:30Speaker 02

  The guy is a nonviolent guy, he doesn't support war or killing. He just says provocative things.

• 52:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you have it, Rob, with audio or no?

• 52:35Speaker 02

  My understanding is that the property owners who have properties there choose just not to rent it at all.

• 52:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, kill them, kill those motherfuckers and murder those motherfuckers in the street. Let the streets, let the streets soak in their fucking red capitalist bloods, dude.

• 52:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's a dumb.

• 52:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Good looking guy, talented guy, good speaker. Why would you say something like that?

• 52:55Speaker 02

  I'm gonna text Hasan after this and say you screwed me over on the Patrick Bet David. Because I'm not gonna defend that. I don't know what the context for that is. But look, even you said, let's park Hasan Pika. Cenk Uygur said a lot of things are very provocative too. Not like that, but about Israel.

• 53:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 53:07Speaker 02

  The point is, to come back to my wider point, which is, there's still a way for them to shut down the conversations, to censor speech critical of Israel.

• 53:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Cenk is pretty loud. Cenk is everywhere.

• 53:16Speaker 02

  But now he can't speak in the UK, is my point.

• 53:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, that's, but that's the argument for UK's dumb policy.

• 53:21Speaker 02

  It's not just the UK. You don't think the US?

• 53:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Not, not at, bro, pull up, pull up the numbers on.

• 53:25Speaker 02

  No way. Come on, let's compare. The US is much worse than the UK.

• 53:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Dude, look at this here. The number of arrests for hateful messages.

• 53:31Speaker 02

  Patrick, Marco Rubio locked up students in this country for their speech, for speaking. A woman, a young woman in a hijab from Turkey wrote an article in her student paper. She said we should divest from Israel.

• 53:43Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know the whole story.

• 53:43Speaker 02

  Pull it up, whatever you want, from Aesos. A judge threw it out. He said it was chilling free speech in this country. He had her released from prison. Multiple cases. I'm gonna give you one.

• 53:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Was she a US citizen?

• 53:52Speaker 02

  No, she was a Turkish student.

• 53:53Patrick Bet-David?

  She was a Turkish student here.

• 53:55Speaker 02

  Legal student. Studying it tough.

• 53:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Legal student here and criticized American policy.

• 53:59Speaker 02

  No, she asked, she said, she didn't even criticize the American government. She said, my university toughs. Hey, Tufts, can we divest, we should divest from Israel. Marco Rubio locked her up.

• 54:07Patrick Bet-David?

  This is one right here?

• 54:08Speaker 02

  This is one right here. The judge, the judge threw the case out. He said it was a complete assault on free speech. In fact, a Reagan judge, Patrick, you don't have to trust lefties. Let me quote you a Reagan judge. A guy called William Young, appointed by Ronald Reagan. When he looked at the cases of all these students, he said Donald Trump has launched a quote, this is his words, "full-throated assault on the First Amendment." Right? Marco Rubio is deporting people like Mahmoud Khalil, who you may not be a fan of, not because they did any terrorist activity or called for the killing of anyone, but because under the 19, some random 1952 immigration law, the Secretary of State has the power to deport anyone he says is undermining US foreign policy through their speech.

• 54:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Can he?

• 54:44Speaker 02

  Well, it's never been tested at Supreme Court. There's one judge who adjudicated on this law. You know what her name was? Guess what her name was? Judge Marion Barry Trump. Trump's sister is the only judge to ever look at the 1952 law on its merits. And she said it was unconstitutional, but it then got rejected by another court on procedural grounds. It's never been tested. You and I, if I just describe it to you, you and I think it's insane, right? The Secretary of State should not have dictatorial powers.

• 55:09Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know the laws behind it, so.

• 55:10Speaker 02

  Let's assume I'm right.

• 55:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Sure.

• 55:11Speaker 02

  Assume I'm right. You would disagree with the idea that the Secretary of State, Antony Blinken, Marco Rubio, whoever it is, has the power unilaterally to throw out people who have broken no laws because he didn't like what they said. Surely you, as a free speech guy, would be opposed to that.

• 55:25Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm a, and by the way, the way you're making it seem like is you're quick to forget what happened under Biden.

• 55:31Speaker 02

  I just said Blinken too. I just said Blinken's name. How can you say I'm quick to forget Biden?

• 55:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you know how many?

• 55:36Speaker 02

  No, hold on. How can you say I'm quick to forget Biden? I just said Blinken and Rubio.

• 55:40Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm just reminding you how many people on YouTube got strikes, videos taken down, what things we couldn't talk about. We couldn't criticize anything about vaccine, COVID. You know how many strikes I got?

• 55:50Speaker 02

  You're exaggerating. You couldn't criticize anything about vaccines that was there in the pandemic. People were criticizing vaccines, you were criticizing them.

• 55:55Patrick Bet-David?

  And videos were disappearing like this. I can do easy research for you, send a report to you. Videos were disappearing like that. People that were talking, creating content, massive YouTubers were disappearing.

• 56:06Speaker 02

  So, hold on, hold on. You've just made my point for me a minute ago. You said America's much better than the UK. Now you're saying America's dictatorial too, so we're agreeing.

• 56:11Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, I'm not saying America's better than UK. When it comes down to arrest, we don't arrest.

• 56:16Speaker 02

  Well, it was remis à l'ostaque, I just showed you. I can go through the list. Should I go through the list?

• 56:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you really gonna defend UK versus US?

• 56:24Speaker 02

  I'm gonna say right now, the US is much worse than the UK.

• 56:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Stop it.

• 56:27Speaker 02

  And actually, by the way, the UK, hold on, hold on. The UK is really bad right now.

• 56:30Patrick Bet-David?

  When's the last time somebody knocked on your door and said, Mehdi, be quiet? You're talking too much.

• 56:33Speaker 02

  You know, the UK is, by the way, I don't want to defend the UK. The Labour government in the UK passed a law that criminalized Palestine Action. You heard of this group, Palestine Action?

• 56:42Patrick Bet-David?

  No.

• 56:42Speaker 02

  It's a group that went and threw paint on some, uh, uh, broke into a military base and threw paint and they, I think they assaulted, they got into, assaulted a police officer, fought with the, I can't remember what the charges were. But they were classified as a terrorist group alongside ISIS and some far-right white supremacist groups. Insane. There's no intelligence for this. They've rammed it through Parliament, got it, voted on. And then they started rounding up people. I don't know if you've seen the videos. Every weekend for the last few months in the UK, people were protesting against the genocide. Little old ladies, a guy in a wheelchair, vicars, priests grabbed by two police officers, arrested. You're a terrorist because they said Palestine action. You can't say Palestine action. So I'm not going to defend the British government. They're deeply repressive right now. But funnily enough, Elon Musk never talks about cases like that. He always brings up the cases about.

• 57:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Tommy Robinson.

• 57:26Speaker 02

  All of that stuff.

• 57:27Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm sure you're a big fan of Tommy.

• 57:28Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. And he's a big fan of mine. But the biggest, but the biggest threat right now, there's no more repressive law than this law they did. To basically, if you go out and say Palestine action, say the two words. If I go to the UK tomorrow and say Palestine action, I will be arrested.

• 57:39Patrick Bet-David?

  So what do you think about what happened to Henry Nowak?

• 57:42Speaker 02

  Who's Henry Nowak?

• 57:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Henry, you don't know who Henry Nowak is?

• 57:45Speaker 02

  I will if you remind me.

• 57:45Patrick Bet-David?

  If you, can you pull it up, Rob? Henry Nowak, this is the guy in Southampton, England. Last year, December 3rd, 2025, 18-year-old kid is going home, murdered by Vikram Digwa. The video just came out. The Vikram guy stabs Henry Nowak. That's the problem. Media's not even talking about this. Stabs Henry Nowak, I don't know how many times. Cut and stabbed Nowak a total of five times with a knife. When police arrived, Digwa accused Nowak of assault. And officers handcuffed Nowak. He died shortly after being handcuffed. The video came out, I think, yesterday, Rob, if you want to pull it up. And it showed, the guy can't breathe. He's having a hard time breathing. He's telling the cops, I can't breathe.

• 58:28Patrick Bet-David?

  I can't breathe. I can't breathe. All of a sudden, he dies. And they said, no, you said some racist comments. Rob, I send the video to you in the notes if you go to it.

• 58:38Speaker 02

  Okay. What's the point of that?

• 58:40Patrick Bet-David?

  But I'm going to say what's the point of, no, no.

• 58:41Speaker 02

  It's horrible.

• 58:42Patrick Bet-David?

  No, but because the cops sided with Digwa, they said Digwa told them that he made racist comments. And with the guy saying, I was stabbed by these guys, he's running away. They caught him. The guy had an eight-inch knife, the typical, the Sikh, what do you call it?

• 59:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Ceremonial knife that they have. You know which one I'm talking about.

• 59:02Speaker 02

  Which now they want to ban.

• 59:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you?

• 59:05Speaker 02

  I did see British politicians saying they want to ban it, and I didn't realize the context. This is the context.

• 59:08Patrick Bet-David?

  And this is the context. And they said they wanted to ban it. Keir Starmer came out today and said, no, we're not going to ban it. But you know what you can't have in England? Well, you can't have in England. You can't even have pepper spray. Pepper spray has not been legal since 68, but they can have that knife. How that makes any sense? So for me, you and I can cherry pick stories on both sides to create rage on why this or that, but the stats are the stats. So when you're saying that story about America and UK, you hear a story like this. Where is the rage with this?

• 59:34Speaker 02

  That's not even a free speech story. We were talking about free speech. You brought up stats about social media arrests. And I'm saying to you right now in the US, you can be arrested by this government detained for a year without charge. Because you said something the government doesn't like about Israel, by the way, about a foreign country. It's not even about the American government. You're not even criticizing the American government. You're criticizing a foreign government.

• 59:51Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm gonna go look it up and I'll give you my response to you personally myself.

• 59:54Speaker 02

  Have them on your show. Have Mossad Medawi on your show. Have, uh, have Badr Khansuri who's in court right now on your show Georgetown student. These guys were picked up off the streets by men, masked men, unmarked cars.

• 1:00:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Do these people love America?

• 1:00:07Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:00:07Patrick Bet-David?

  They love America. I don't know. Are they planning on staying here or going back home?

• 1:00:11Speaker 02

  Mahmoud Khalil is married here, has a kid. He had a kid while he was in prison. Donald Trump, the family values party, the Republican party didn't let this guy be with his wife when she gave birth, didn't let him hold his baby.

• 1:00:19Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you say about Henry Novak, what I just showed you?

• 1:00:20Speaker 02

  I think that's horrific.

• 1:00:21Patrick Bet-David?

  That's UK.

• 1:00:22Speaker 02

  I think that's horrific.

• 1:00:23Patrick Bet-David?

  But, but, but this.

• 1:00:23Speaker 02

  I don't know those, I don't know the details, but obviously the police got it wrong.

• 1:00:26Patrick Bet-David?

  This is the part that kind of, so you represented the, the, the media on the left, okay? So Rob, can you go back to that story that New York Times, if you search the two different words? Uh, of, uh, George Floyd versus what happened with Novak, Novak, you once, you just had it up right now a minute ago.

• 1:00:42Speaker 02

  Uh, uh, come on. You're gonna do this?

• 1:00:44Patrick Bet-David?

  No.

• 1:00:44Speaker 02

  The media is, the media is.

• 1:00:46Patrick Bet-David?

  But wait a minute. Wait, this is New York Times. Go to the first one.

• 1:00:48Speaker 02

  I'm not a fan of the New.

• 1:00:49Patrick Bet-David?

  You type in Henry Novak. How many names? Results 19. Go to the next one, Rob.

• 1:00:55Patrick Bet-David?

  George Floyd, 6397. There is no incentive to tell this story. Cause it doesn't go with the narrative.

• 1:01:01Speaker 02

  So I, I disagree with you. I grew up in the UK. Right wing media has been telling these stories all my life. All I've, all my life, all I've seen is black people and Muslim people on the front pages. Have you looked at the front pages, the Daily Mail, the Daily Express? What do you mean the UK is being destroyed?

• 1:01:13Patrick Bet-David?

  You think UK is doing good?

• 1:01:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, no, but not for the reasons you think.

• 1:01:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Why do you think you, so why do you think UK is not doing good?

• 1:01:18Speaker 02

  I think economically it's doing very badly. It had very bad leadership for the last fifteen years. I was there. The conservative government that came in two thousand and ten did austerity program after the financial crisis.

• 1:01:27Patrick Bet-David?

  You put on Cameron. Cameron is.

• 1:01:29Speaker 02

  David Cameron and George Osborne did austerity program that basically gutted the British state, gutted our competitiveness, didn't cut the deficit, actually ruined our fiscal credibility, downgraded our credit rating, destroyed our growth over the course of a decade, undermined our health service.

• 1:01:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you put anything tied to immigration to that?

• 1:01:46Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:01:47Patrick Bet-David?

  None?

• 1:01:48Speaker 02

  Immigration's been a boost for the British economy. In fact, cutting immigration's bad. Look at Brexit. Brexit's been a disaster for the British economy. Do you know how many people in Britain want to rejoin the EU? A majority. Pull that up. Majority of Britons want to go back into the EU. Why do you think that is?

• 1:01:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Do, do.

• 1:02:00Speaker 02

  Why do you think that is, Patrick?

• 1:02:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you think?

• 1:02:02Speaker 02

  Why do you think Britons want to go back into the EU?

• 1:02:03Patrick Bet-David?

  I, I, I, you know.

• 1:02:04Speaker 02

  You just said Britain's being destroyed.

• 1:02:05Patrick Bet-David?

  No, but, but have you looked at the, have you looked at the crime numbers, what's going on in UK?

• 1:02:10Speaker 02

  Crime is very low.

• 1:02:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Have you looked at what's going on?

• 1:02:12Speaker 02

  Crime is very low, Patrick.

• 1:02:13Patrick Bet-David?

  So, so let me ask you.

• 1:02:14Speaker 02

  Do you know what the crime rate in London is?

• 1:02:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you see the tweet that came out yesterday?

• 1:02:17Speaker 02

  I know you're not a fan of Sadiq Khan. You're not a fan of my good friend Sadiq Khan, are you?

• 1:02:21Patrick Bet-David?

  What EU did, you saw the tweet that came out, what EU was saying they're doing? That they want to find a way to get rid of illegal immigrants?

• 1:02:26Speaker 02

  Okay, you're jumping around, Patrick. Britain is not in the EU.

• 1:02:28Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm not.

• 1:02:29Speaker 02

  We're talking about Britain. You just said Britain's being destroyed, which is nonsense. And then you said crime rate. Have you looked at the London crime rates?

• 1:02:35Patrick Bet-David?

  You, you don't.

• 1:02:36Speaker 02

  Last year, London had its lowest per capita murder rate since records began. Had the lowest volume of homicides for thirty years under Sadiq Khan, third term mayor, who people in America, Elon Musk, Donald Trump, get very worked up about. I don't know if you guys get worked up about him. Been a very successful mayor and crime has come down by record numbers. Violent crime and murder.

• 1:02:54Patrick Bet-David?

  When you're looking at EU, do you know which country in EU has the lowest rape rate?

• 1:02:58Speaker 02

  We're talking about the UK, Patrick.

• 1:02:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Stay with UK, stay with.

• 1:03:00Speaker 02

  The UK's not in the EU anymore sadly.

• 1:03:01Patrick Bet-David?

  UK to me, I'll put them somewhat together in the same area.

• 1:03:04Speaker 02

  They left ten years ago.

• 1:03:05Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, so you're saying immigration coming from all these countries has been a successful project for the EU?

• 1:03:10Speaker 02

  What's your definition of success?

• 1:03:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Many different ways.

• 1:03:14Speaker 02

  Economically, EU desperately needs migrants. Have you seen the age rate? Pull up the demographic.

• 1:03:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so the main-

• 1:03:18Speaker 02

  It's a dying continent with a very low birth rate, as Elon Musk likes to point out.

• 1:03:22Patrick Bet-David?

  So, so when you think about-

• 1:03:22Speaker 02

  They got no one there to work, to pay taxes, to look after the elderly, to run the health services, etc.

• 1:03:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Maybe, maybe the one argument I'll go to, to see what you'll say about this. Do you think the West, when it comes on to West, Muslims can coexist with the West?

• 1:03:35Speaker 02

  Whoa, we just took a handbrake down there.

• 1:03:36Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm curious, I'm curious.

• 1:03:37Speaker 02

  We went from Britain's being destroyed, to London Crown, to EU, to Muslims.

• 1:03:40Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm curious.

• 1:03:40Speaker 02

  Okay, we got to Muslims.

• 1:03:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me, tell me where you are with this.

• 1:03:42Speaker 02

  I'm Muslims.

• 1:03:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you think they can coexist?

• 1:03:45Speaker 02

  Do you think I can coexist with them?

• 1:03:46Patrick Bet-David?

  I think you can coexist.

• 1:03:47Speaker 02

  Why me?

• 1:03:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Educated, you're, you're a worker, you're now a capitalist, you're contributing, you're creating jobs.

• 1:03:58Patrick Bet-David?

  I would say you're a net positive.

• 1:03:59Speaker 02

  Do you not think most Muslims do that?

• 1:04:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, I don't think the, depending on where they're coming from, they don't. Because if their countries did a good job, why would they leave it?

• 1:04:07Speaker 02

  War that we caused?

• 1:04:09Patrick Bet-David?

  War that who caused?

• 1:04:10Speaker 02

  That we caused.

• 1:04:11Patrick Bet-David?

  So they're leaving because of us?

• 1:04:12Speaker 02

  Well, you know, you know the big controversy in the UK over the boats, the small boats coming across the channel? Do you know what the top three nationalities are in those boats?

• 1:04:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me.

• 1:04:20Speaker 02

  Iran, number one.

• 1:04:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 1:04:22Speaker 02

  Afghanistan, number two, Iraq, number three. Now, Iran is a current war, let's park Iran. But are you telling me we're not responsible for the mess in Afghanistan and Iraq? Come on.

• 1:04:31Patrick Bet-David?

  When you look at this, let me show you this. Rob, can you pull this up? When it comes down to, uh, uh, let me see which one I got here.

• 1:04:37Speaker 02

  This is, I love Rob bringing up these-

• 1:04:39Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, I, I-

• 1:04:40Speaker 02

  I love he brings this up.

• 1:04:41Patrick Bet-David?

  I know you like numbers.

• 1:04:42Speaker 02

  No, I love it, I love being proved right as well.

• 1:04:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Per capita.

• 1:04:44Speaker 02

  Good for my ego.

• 1:04:45Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, no, no, per capita, per capita. When you look at the countries, Rob, I think you got it. Gulf states, how they perform per capita versus some of the other Muslim nations.

• 1:04:55Speaker 02

  That's okay.

• 1:04:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Look at this one here.

• 1:04:56Speaker 02

  Because they got oil and gas?

• 1:04:57Patrick Bet-David?

  You think it's only oil and gas that's causing them?

• 1:04:59Speaker 02

  Yes. Did you know what these countries were like in the season seventeen?

• 1:05:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me ask you a question, Iran has plenty of oil.

• 1:05:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:04Patrick Bet-David?

  How come they're not in here?

• 1:05:05Speaker 02

  Maybe there was a-

• 1:05:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Iraq has got oil.

• 1:05:06Speaker 02

  Can I answer your question?

• 1:05:07Patrick Bet-David?

  But this isn't, this, this has been going on for a minute. This is not a one year thing.

• 1:05:10Speaker 02

  Can I answer your question?

• 1:05:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Sure.

• 1:05:12Speaker 02

  Why do you think Iran's not doing well economically? Should I go through the list?

• 1:05:15Patrick Bet-David?

  You're gonna say it's sanctions, you're gonna say it's because of America. You're gonna say it's America's fault.

• 1:05:18Speaker 02

  Not just America's fault.

• 1:05:19Patrick Bet-David?

  So how come-

• 1:05:20Speaker 02

  But partly, hold on, hold on, how much, okay- You left Iran during the Iran-Iraq war, right?

• 1:05:24Patrick Bet-David?

  I left Iran after Khomeini died, six weeks after Khomeini died.

• 1:05:28Speaker 02

  Okay, so Iran-Iraq was done by then.

• 1:05:30Patrick Bet-David?

  July 15th, 89.

• 1:05:32Speaker 02

  So Iran-Iraq was done. Iran-Iraq was 1980, 1988. Six hundred billion dollars of damage done to Iranian infrastructure, the economy, the cost of that war. That was a war that Saddam, Saddam Hussein.

• 1:05:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, you put it on Saddam.

• 1:05:42Speaker 02

  Who's fault, who's fault do you think it is? Who invaded who?

• 1:05:45Patrick Bet-David?

  So by the way.

• 1:05:46Speaker 02

  Hold on, hold on, hold on, Pat, come on.

• 1:05:47Patrick Bet-David?

  You don't at all put that on IRGC?

• 1:05:50Speaker 02

  No, I put it on the guy.

• 1:05:50Patrick Bet-David?

  You don't put it on Islamic Revolutionary Guard?

• 1:05:52Speaker 02

  I put it on the country that invades the other country. That's how the world works. I blame Russia for the Ukraine war. They invaded Ukraine.

• 1:05:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Getting along with other people?

• 1:06:00Speaker 02

  Why does Saddam Hussein, are you, are you pro Saddam?

• 1:06:02Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, no, no, no. Why does Iran have a hard time getting along with other people?

• 1:06:05Speaker 02

  That was when I said, I said there was Iran-Iraq war. You said, is America to blame? I said, yes, we backed Saddam Hussein. Did we not back Saddam Hussein? Did Donald Rumsfeld not fly and hug? You can pick up a, Rob can bring up a video of Donald Rumsfeld hugging Saddam Hussein in 1983 in Baghdad. Were we not supporting the Iraqi invasion of Iran that cost Iran a million lives? Six hundred billion dollars of infrastructure damage? You're saying that didn't play any role in Iran's economic future?

• 1:06:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Why don't they?

• 1:06:30Speaker 02

  You're not answering my question.

• 1:06:30Patrick Bet-David?

  No, but you don't understand what I'm saying.

• 1:06:32Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no.

• 1:06:32Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, but maybe, let me, let me ask.

• 1:06:34Speaker 02

  You want me to acknowledge that?

• 1:06:34Patrick Bet-David?

  No, but, but look, let's give credit to, for instance, when Mondani goes to the White House. You and I both gave credit to both of them for being diplomatic.

• 1:06:42Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:06:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Right?

• 1:06:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you think Iranian leadership with the IRGC is diplomatic?

• 1:06:46Speaker 02

  No. I think they've been horrific in their leadership. I think they've, again, they've given themselves, they've given their opponents a stick with which to beat them. I was a big critic of Ahmed and Najad back in the day. He said dumb things.

• 1:06:56Patrick Bet-David?

  So do you think Khomeini was good for Iran?

• 1:06:59Speaker 02

  Do I think Khomeini was good?

• 1:07:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you think Khomeini was good for Iran?

• 1:07:02Speaker 02

  No, in hindsight, of course not. If you look at the record today, the call we left behind.

• 1:07:05Patrick Bet-David?

  What I'm trying to do is, I'm trying to.

• 1:07:06Speaker 02

  I'm not, I've said this before, I went on Piers Morgan Show, just to be clear, for people who don't know, I'm Shia. I'm a Shia.

• 1:07:11Patrick Bet-David?

  I know, I know you're Shia.

• 1:07:12Speaker 02

  Which is the majority of religion in Iran.

• 1:07:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Sure.

• 1:07:14Speaker 02

  Right? So I do, but there are two types of Shias. This is very crude. I'm trying to explain to the audience. Religiously, theologically, politically, there's two types of Shias. There are those who believe in what's called Vilayat Faqi, WF. They believe that Khomeini, this was a political theory, a religious, some say a religious theory, pushed by Ayatollah Khomeini, that said that the clerics. The Ayatollahs, the mullahs, whatever you want to call them, they should rule. Power should be with them. That is the model that Iran has followed. There is another school of thought that comes out of Iraq, mainly out of a city called Najif. And Ayatollah Sistani, who is the leading Shia Ayatollah in Iraq today. And they say, no, no, we are all for religion. We're all, you know, we, we want everyone to practice Islam, Shia Islam. But we're not going to rule. After the American toppled Saddam, Ayatollah Sistani did not do a Qumani. He did not say, I'm going to become supreme leader of Iraq.

• 1:07:58Speaker 02

  He said, have elections, democracy, vote. I'm going to stay in my house and I'm going to give you advice, religious advice when you need it. I follow the Ayatollah Sistani view of the world, crudely put. I don't follow the Ayatollah Qumani view of the world. So when you say to me, was he good for Iran as a governmental system? No, I don't support the governing system of Iran the way it is. But, but you're changing the subject. You're avoiding the, you are.

• 1:08:18Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm not.

• 1:08:18Speaker 02

  There was an eight-year war. We were talking about Iran's economy.

• 1:08:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Trust me, I lived there. I, I witnessed it. You should, you should entertain the idea of living in a Muslim-majority country, see what it's like.

• 1:08:27Speaker 02

  I understand.

• 1:08:27Patrick Bet-David?

  I lived there.

• 1:08:28Speaker 02

  You're, you're jumping around.

• 1:08:29Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm not, what I'm.

• 1:08:30Speaker 02

  What, you, you were talking about the economy.

• 1:08:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Iran, I'll let you finish your thought and then I'll go back to my question that I had. Go ahead, finish my thought.

• 1:08:37Speaker 02

  Well, it doesn't, it's a thought that requires a response from you. Which is, if there's an eight-year war that Iraq started and we supported, that cost $600 billion to Iran, that took out a million members of their population and then was followed by crazy sanctions. Are you telling me then that it's fair to compare that economy with Abu Dhabi? Are you seriously telling me that's a fair comparison?

• 1:08:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you go back and go back to that chart again, Rob, for me? So you just defended Iraq, right? That we backed up Iraq.

• 1:09:04Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:09:04Patrick Bet-David?

  That went against Iran.

• 1:09:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:05Patrick Bet-David?

  How come they're not on the top GDP per capita on this list?

• 1:09:10Speaker 02

  Do you know what happened to Iraq after the Iran Iraq war?

• 1:09:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Now you have another reason. It's America's fault again.

• 1:09:14Speaker 02

  I, I mean, do you study history, Patrick? Do you know what happened to 1991? We did a Gulf, there was a Gulf, Saddam idiotically invaded Kuwait.

• 1:09:21Patrick Bet-David?

  This is a victimhood language for you to say. So on one end.

• 1:09:23Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:09:23Patrick Bet-David?

  No, on one end, you're saying this. On the other end, you're saying, no, it's because of this.

• 1:09:27Speaker 02

  You're comparing countries, you're, you're showing me a graph comparing countries that have never been bombed, invaded and occupied with countries that have been bombed, invaded, occupied. And then you say, why is the GDP per capita higher in one, not the other?

• 1:09:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Why haven't?

• 1:09:38Speaker 02

  That's an insane comparison.

• 1:09:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Why, why have they made so much progress? Why? Their Muslim majority?

• 1:09:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, why have they done, made so much progress?

• 1:09:46Speaker 02

  I mean.

• 1:09:46Patrick Bet-David?

  And by the way, at this point, just so you know, the argument is now not about Muslim.

• 1:09:49Speaker 02

  I know it's not.

• 1:09:50Patrick Bet-David?

  I know, but the argument is why are some winning, some are not?

• 1:09:53Speaker 02

  And I explained war plays a big role in this.

• 1:09:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, maybe a part of it makes sense.

• 1:09:57Speaker 02

  I just pointed out to you, the three biggest refugee groups on the boats going into England are Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan. Coincidence? No, those are war-torn countries.

• 1:10:06Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm not disputing that. What I'm trying to tell you is even with that, if you sit here and say every single time, everything is America's fault, what, what responsibility do they take? Do they take any responsibility that they're not making a right decision for their people?

• 1:10:19Speaker 02

  Just to be clear, people can rewind. I don't, Rob does screenshots, but people on watching on YouTube can rewind. Never did I say it's all America's fault. I've never said that. I'm very, have you read, you said you've read my stuff. You've seen my stuff.

• 1:10:30Patrick Bet-David?

  I've seen your stuff.

• 1:10:30Speaker 02

  I'm very critical of Muslim majority countries. I am very critical of the Iranian government. I'm very critical of the Saudi government. I'm very critical of the Emirati government.

• 1:10:36Patrick Bet-David?

  What feedback would you give? What do you think they can do?

• 1:10:38Speaker 02

  I do a show for Al Jazeera and I grilled the Qatari foreign minister on that show about the lack of democracy.

• 1:10:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Dude, I've seen your stuff. I know, I've seen your.

• 1:10:43Speaker 02

  I'm critical of Arab governments, Muslim governments, Pakistan.

• 1:10:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you think, do you think the Middle East is a safer place with IRGC in charge of running America or somebody like a Pezeshkian? More the moderates.

• 1:10:55Speaker 02

  Of course, I'm more of a moderate. I would like to see, and again, who undermined the moderates in Iran? Sorry, it's gonna be the answer you don't like, the United States of America.

• 1:11:03Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, I, I disagree.

• 1:11:04Speaker 02

  The United States of America.

• 1:11:04Patrick Bet-David?

  No, I disagree. I don't, I don't think that's the case. Israel.

• 1:11:07Speaker 02

  Oh, well.

• 1:11:07Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, I don't, I don't put it on.

• 1:11:08Speaker 02

  Our proxy then undermined.

• 1:11:09Patrick Bet-David?

  No, but, but, but listen to my, you were not expecting my answer.

• 1:11:12Speaker 02

  No, because I don't accept this fake split between US and Israel.

• 1:11:14Patrick Bet-David?

  But this is not it, but let me tell you what's, I do, because what I, what I see going on right now is I see Israel, in a way, I actually like what's taking place. Let me explain to you why I like what's taking place. A part of what's going on right now is the world is able to see Bibi's motive versus Trump's motive. Like, you remember that one time when the, the Trump and Bibi are on stage speaking and he's saying, "Yeah, we're thinking about taking over Gaza. We're gonna build a hotel here." And then you see Bibi goes like, "Wait, what? You never told me that." He kinda got, I don't know if you remember that session or not. Okay.

• 1:11:49Speaker 02

  It was the West Bank equivalent.

• 1:11:49Patrick Bet-David?

  So a part, a part of it for me, I like that this is happening because I prefer this to be in the public's eye. I prefer for Trump to show, "Hey, listen, if I wanna go become a prime minister of Israel, I would do it. You're there just because of me." I like him saying that publicly.

• 1:12:04Speaker 02

  Alright.

• 1:12:04Patrick Bet-David?

  I like that that is taking place. But to me, who, who, who wants IRGC to be gone?

• 1:12:10Speaker 02

  So a couple of things. On the Trump point, I agree, it's better these things happen in public and there is a weird upside to Trump having such a big mouth and saying crazy shit all the time. There is a pro to that, I get that. But let's not forget, Patrick, you saw the New York Times big piece where we discovered from Jonathan Haberman, Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan, that Benjamin Netanyahu went to the Situation Room and made the case to Trump with Mossad joining via Zoom or wherever it was, and he persuaded Trump that this will be a walk in the park, cakewalk, all of that shit. That happened in private.

• 1:12:41Patrick Bet-David?

  What's your percentage that that happened?

• 1:12:42Speaker 02

  That happened in private.

• 1:12:42Patrick Bet-David?

  What's your percentage?

• 1:12:43Speaker 02

  Oh, high, high percentage.

• 1:12:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Give me a number, 80%?

• 1:12:45Speaker 02

  80%.

• 1:12:45Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm 50/50 that that happened.

• 1:12:47Speaker 02

  Okay. You think Trump did it on his own without Netanyahu's presence?

• 1:12:49Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, no. I said I'm 50/50, meaning I believe there's a 50% chance because...

• 1:12:52Speaker 02

  But you don't deny that behind the scenes, the Israelis are putting pressure on the US.

• 1:12:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Of course I know.

• 1:12:56Speaker 02

  Okay, so then to come back to your broader point...

• 1:12:58Patrick Bet-David?

  But I don't think he's Bush, I don't think he's Obama, I don't think he's Biden, I don't think he's those guys. I actually...

• 1:13:04Speaker 02

  In many ways, he's worse.

• 1:13:05Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, no, I don't think he is.

• 1:13:06Speaker 02

  Because he doesn't have any independent views.

• 1:13:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, the one thing I know with you, Mehdi, is the fact that no matter what he does, he's not going to get victory from you. We have to put those two...

• 1:13:15Speaker 02

  Again, you can go back on YouTube, rewind an hour, I said if he restrains Netanyahu in Gaza and Lebanon.

• 1:13:20Patrick Bet-David?

  If. You said if.

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  But he won't, I know he won't.

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• 1:15:08Speaker 02

  In the first term, I wrote a piece for the intercept. I got a lot of shit for it because I said, credit where credit's due, he's going to withdraw from Afghanistan. Remember he laid out that timeline that Biden then got attacked for following. It was a Trump timeline.

• 1:15:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Biden, the way he did it, Biden, the way he did it.

• 1:15:21Speaker 02

  Trump would have done it better. Come on. It was always going to be a disaster. No matter how you pull out of Afghanistan.

• 1:15:24Patrick Bet-David?

  There was many, many, many military personnel said there was better ways to leave.

• 1:15:28Speaker 02

  I don't agree on that.

• 1:15:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Many, many military.

• 1:15:29Speaker 02

  Can I come back to your, can I come back to your wider point?

• 1:15:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me.

• 1:15:32Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, he's showing me. I need to take a shower now. Bravo. Donald Trump is the headline. Rob's too fast. All right. So let me come back to the wider point. Forget Trump.

• 1:15:38Patrick Bet-David?

  I always know. I introduced him properly at the beginning. Big MAGA supporter.

• 1:15:42Speaker 02

  That's 2020, six years ago. We all grow, evolve, learn from our mistakes. So the broader point about America and Israel, Iran, to go back to IRGC point. Forget Trump for a moment. Let's just take US foreign policy as a whole. When you say it's Israel, I don't accept that. I think this new thing on the right where you say, you know, Tucker Carlson, Joe Kent, all this line, which is like, America's good. It's bad, bad Israel making good, good America. I'm not saying you did, but I'm saying others, it's becoming a very consensus view, which is America's really good. And then evil Israel comes on and makes good America do bad things.

• 1:16:10Patrick Bet-David?

  No.

• 1:16:10Speaker 02

  We need to take agency and responsibility. We are the superpower. And when Iran is, when Israel's murdering Iranian nuclear scientists or murdering Iranian diplomats who might do a deal with them, we have to take ownership for that. They don't do that without an American green light. They didn't kill Hamanai without an American green light. They don't do shit without an American green light. So I don't buy this idea that Israel is some rogue force. Going back to the Barak Ravid point about there's all these splits between the president and the prime minister. Nine times out of 10, America and Israel are on the same page. One time out of 10, they're on a different page.

• 1:16:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so.

• 1:16:41Speaker 02

  So we had moderate presidents in Iran, they got screwed over, Qatar, Rouhani, they got screwed over by Western governments that wouldn't do a nuclear deal.

• 1:16:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Israel went out and killed the 50 guys, you know, we could have worked together, whatever, they kept, and Trump kept saying, everybody were negotiating with, they're killing them, who's they, who's he saying they?

• 1:16:56Speaker 02

  And you think Israel can do that if Trump wanted them to stop? Come on.

• 1:16:58Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, no, what I'm saying to you is, Israel, when they get their intel and they want to take somebody out, you remember the pages, they got very good intel, they don't have a problem going and doing what they're doing. I understand Israel's motive.

• 1:17:09Speaker 02

  So do I.

• 1:17:10Patrick Bet-David?

  I understand Israel's motive.

• 1:17:11Speaker 02

  But I'm saying they get a green light from the US.

• 1:17:13Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't think as much under him as others, I do think they're an ally for the Middle East, and I'm not, like, you're a business guy now, you're a capitalist, so one of the things you'll experience, because you're a capitalist, there's nothing wrong, you should be proud of it. You should be, look at the smile on your face, you're making more money than ever before.

• 1:17:27Speaker 02

  Smiling, because it's a good line, it's a good line, it's a good line.

• 1:17:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you making more money or less money right now?

• 1:17:31Speaker 02

  I'm making more money.

• 1:17:32Patrick Bet-David?

  That's good, there's nothing wrong, we should be proud of it.

• 1:17:35Speaker 02

  Did I say that? That's not my definition of capitalist.

• 1:17:36Patrick Bet-David?

  But here's where I'm going with this. In the last couple of years since you've been private, how many opportunities have you had to do deals with people?

• 1:17:43Speaker 02

  Many.

• 1:17:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Many. When you're on the call, do you know their motives?

• 1:17:47Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:17:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Their motives are typically beneficial to who?

• 1:17:49Speaker 02

  Themselves.

• 1:17:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Themselves. Is that, is that something that you and I would be surprised with? No. Why are you here today? Why do I have you on today? It's gonna be a good show for us, why are you on here today? You don't live down the street, you came, there's a motive.

• 1:18:00Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:18:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Both of us have a motive, so both of us are winning from this exchange that we have, okay. In that sense, the way they negotiate, then it goes to who's the better negotiator, then it goes to who gave up more, then it goes to all the other stuff that you gotta go through, and you gotta make adjustments.

• 1:18:15Speaker 02

  Well, Trump is a horrible negotiator, and as Benjamin Netanyahu said, these are Benjamin Netanyahu's words, "For 40 years, I've dreamt of attacking Iran, he's the only president who would listen to me." Those are Netanyahu's words, I'm paraphrasing.

• 1:18:26Patrick Bet-David?

  For 40 years, Trump said in 1987, he would go and take over Carac Island, he said that in 85, you make it seem like this guy's not an independent thinker.

• 1:18:35Speaker 02

  Well, he's not intimate.

• 1:18:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Trump said that in eighty-five.

• 1:18:37Speaker 02

  Hold on, he also said, "None of us knew they would hit the Strait of Hormuz. None of us knew they would hit the Gulf countries, you idiot."

• 1:18:42Patrick Bet-David?

  You can't, you can't give him credit that he said this forty years ago.

• 1:18:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't know how he got that one thing consistent.

• 1:18:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, yeah, I don't know how this one thing he did. I don't know how he, I don't know how he came back and one election term.

• 1:18:55Speaker 02

  Yeah. The Iran war, you praised him on day one of the Iran war. Would you accept today it's been an absolute disaster? Because Donald Trump is not a war leader. He doesn't understand foreign policy. He doesn't understand what, he just said this week, "I'm bored." You know what he said this week? "I'm bored of all this."

• 1:19:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Mehdi.

• 1:19:08Speaker 02

  Like a child.

• 1:19:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Mehdi, let me tell you where it is. You know, I have a local, I have a local doctor I want you to go see. He specializes in TDS. And I think you would work very well with him. Over a six-month period, he'll be able to get rid of your TDS.

• 1:19:21Speaker 02

  I have a guy who's a psychologist and he deals with cult members.

• 1:19:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Yep.

• 1:19:25Speaker 02

  And I think he'd do well with you guys who can't get out of the Trump cult.

• 1:19:28Patrick Bet-David?

  See the difference.

• 1:19:29Speaker 02

  I asked you, I gave you an opportunity in front of the audience, criticize Trump on Iran. You can't do it.

• 1:19:33Patrick Bet-David?

  I will.

• 1:19:34Speaker 02

  It's been a disaster.

• 1:19:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Can I tell you?

• 1:19:35Speaker 02

  Please.

• 1:19:35Patrick Bet-David?

  The difference between you and I is I will sit there and I'll give credit and I'll criticize.

• 1:19:40Speaker 02

  I'll give him credit, what should I give him credit for?

• 1:19:42Patrick Bet-David?

  I am more supportive of him than you are.

• 1:19:44Speaker 02

  What should I give him credit for?

• 1:19:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Because the longer you're a capitalist, you're gonna like, you're gonna want somebody that's pro-capitalism.

• 1:19:50Speaker 02

  The economy is horrific under him.

• 1:19:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Because it's under war.

• 1:19:53Speaker 02

  My business is doing badly because of him.

• 1:19:54Patrick Bet-David?

  It's, it's.

• 1:19:55Speaker 02

  Because of the war? Who started the war? He did.

• 1:19:57Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't, I, I take ownership that he started a war.

• 1:19:59Speaker 02

  So when you say give him credit, what should I give him credit for?

• 1:20:01Patrick Bet-David?

  You're gonna allow me to finish my thought?

• 1:20:03Speaker 02

  Please.

• 1:20:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you give him credit Venezuela?

• 1:20:05Speaker 02

  No, of course not. Illegal action.

• 1:20:06Patrick Bet-David?

  So that's also no.

• 1:20:07Speaker 02

  He broke international law, American law, the constitution.

• 1:20:11Patrick Bet-David?

  So that's a no for you as well.

• 1:20:12Speaker 02

  Killed a grandmother.

• 1:20:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me ask you a question.

• 1:20:14Speaker 02

  And he brought this guy to a court case that he might lose.

• 1:20:15Patrick Bet-David?

  If they take over Cuba, would that be a victory in your eyes? So give it already criticism upfront.

• 1:20:19Speaker 02

  You think I'm supporting, you want me to come here to Florida and support imperialism? You support imperialism.

• 1:20:24Patrick Bet-David?

  So, so, so.

• 1:20:25Speaker 02

  You support just invading other countries.

• 1:20:26Patrick Bet-David?

  So, so you go back, you go, criminal? Well, how the hell you think America got so big? What do you think they did? It was an expansionist James Polk ideology of, "Let's go out and buy all these other places."

• 1:20:36Speaker 02

  Was there international law, the UN Charter, Geneva Conventions at the time?

• 1:20:39Patrick Bet-David?

  But, but you're, you're sitting here complaining about something like this where you're living in a country. It's because. Because of the byproduct of the visionaries previous to us, that they made it what it is today. Why do you feel so safe here?

• 1:20:50Speaker 02

  Bizarre argument.

• 1:20:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Why do you feel so safe?

• 1:20:51Speaker 02

  Because we once got Alaska, we should go conquer Cuba.

• 1:20:54Patrick Bet-David?

  No, that's not what I'm telling you.

• 1:20:55Speaker 02

  Sounds like it.

• 1:20:56Patrick Bet-David?

  If they're expanding, I don't mind an expansionist president. I don't mind it.

• 1:20:59Speaker 02

  You like imperialism? So how are you different to the IRGC?

• 1:21:02Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't mind an expansionist.

• 1:21:03Speaker 02

  How are you different to the IRGC?

• 1:21:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you kidding me?

• 1:21:04Speaker 02

  Everyone says.

• 1:21:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Islamic revolutionary government.

• 1:21:06Speaker 02

  They're accused.

• 1:21:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Everything is above.

• 1:21:08Speaker 02

  They're accused.

• 1:21:09Patrick Bet-David?

  God tells them what to do and.

• 1:21:10Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, no.

• 1:21:10Patrick Bet-David?

  And because death upon America.

• 1:21:12Speaker 02

  They're accused of being expansionist, of trying to take over the Middle East. That's the big allegation that the Gulf states make against Iran. And yet, you're sitting here saying, but we should take over the, we should take over the West and hemisphere.

• 1:21:22Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, do you know what I would actually say?

• 1:21:23Speaker 02

  I'm not imperialist.

• 1:21:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me ask you a question. You got, how many?

• 1:21:26Speaker 02

  It's insane that we're having a conversation about imperialism.

• 1:21:28Patrick Bet-David?

  How many subscribers do you have with your channel right now that are paying you?

• 1:21:30Speaker 02

  On Substack?

• 1:21:31Patrick Bet-David?

  On Substack.

• 1:21:32Speaker 02

  I'm not gonna say that number.

• 1:21:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's say it's a hundred thousand people. There you go.

• 1:21:35Speaker 02

  It's not sadly.

• 1:21:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, but let's just say a fifty to a hundred thousand people. You're doing well. You're making good money. Okay.

• 1:21:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Have you taken any viewership from anybody else?

• 1:21:43Speaker 02

  What do you mean?

• 1:21:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Are people watching you that used to watch somebody else on YouTube? What an expansionist you are. What a shameful expansionist capitalist.

• 1:21:52Speaker 02

  I've been with you for one hour twenty minutes.

• 1:21:54Patrick Bet-David?

  This guy's expanding his YouTube channel, but God forbid anybody else does it.

• 1:21:58Speaker 02

  I've waited an hour twenty minutes for you to say the dumbest thing with respect, Patrick. That is not an analogy.

• 1:22:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Every time you say the dumbest things, it's when you get cornered. What do you mean you're expanding?

• 1:22:08Speaker 02

  That is the worst analogy.

• 1:22:09Patrick Bet-David?

  You're expanding, by the way.

• 1:22:10Speaker 02

  Did I go into the New York Times? Hold on, let's take your analogy. Did I walk into the New York Times and abduct the editor in chief of the New York Times? Put a, put a bag over his head?

• 1:22:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you have any employees?

• 1:22:20Speaker 02

  And take him out in order to undermine the New York Times?

• 1:22:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you have any employees?

• 1:22:22Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:22:22Patrick Bet-David?

  How many of them came volunteer? How many of them did you recruit and hire away from another company?

• 1:22:25Speaker 02

  How many of them did I get with a gun and a special forces team? You're making a ridiculous analogy.

• 1:22:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh my goodness.

• 1:22:31Speaker 02

  If you expand as a business, that's the same as illegally occupying other people's land.

• 1:22:34Patrick Bet-David?

  What, what, what la la land are you living in? Like, what do you think happened to this world?

• 1:22:38Speaker 02

  A world of law.

• 1:22:39Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you think happened to this world?

• 1:22:40Speaker 02

  You do realize the problem that the MAGA folks have when they say this is, you lose any credibility to criticize anyone else. You can't criticize Iran then. You can't criticize Hamas.

• 1:22:47Patrick Bet-David?

  And I don't.

• 1:22:48Speaker 02

  You don't criticize Hamas?

• 1:22:49Patrick Bet-David?

  No, I, no, I don't criticize. If you're able to expand.

• 1:22:52Speaker 02

  So if Hamas goes into Israel, you're for that?

• 1:22:54Patrick Bet-David?

  It's not about the. If I'm for that or not, if you're able to successfully do it, that's your vision. I know I have to defend against it. What do you think companies do? How do you think companies work? What do you think companies are supposed to do?

• 1:23:05Speaker 02

  I think it's insane that you're comparing business expansion to us going around the world, killing people.

• 1:23:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Military, many, why do you think we have military for what?

• 1:23:12Speaker 02

  To defend ourselves.

• 1:23:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Against what?

• 1:23:14Speaker 02

  Threats.

• 1:23:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Against another one trying to expand. I'm not saying that.

• 1:23:17Speaker 02

  You think Cuba's trying to expand right now?

• 1:23:19Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, you, you.

• 1:23:20Speaker 02

  You think Cuba's trying to expand? Where are they expanding to? Miami?

• 1:23:23Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no.

• 1:23:23Speaker 02

  You've been living in Miami too long.

• 1:23:24Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, maybe.

• 1:23:25Speaker 02

  I think you've been drinking too much Miami water too long.

• 1:23:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Actually, I rarely go to Miami. Maybe that's their fault. Maybe that's their fault.

• 1:23:30Speaker 02

  What's their fault?

• 1:23:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Maybe their ideology communism created a poor country and their people want something better.

• 1:23:34Speaker 02

  But doesn't give us the right to go and take over the country.

• 1:23:36Patrick Bet-David?

  How do you think all this stuff happened in history?

• 1:23:38Speaker 02

  Okay, lots of things happened in history that weren't right.

• 1:23:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, but, but, but guess what?

• 1:23:41Speaker 02

  This is twenty twenty six.

• 1:23:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Dude, you understand, you've taken market share from other people. Your viewers were somebody else's viewers that came to you.

• 1:23:50Speaker 02

  So you support, so you want a, just to be clear, you want some kind of law of the jungle where might is right, power.

• 1:23:56Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you think the law is?

• 1:23:57Speaker 02

  You're fine, you're fine with it.

• 1:23:58Patrick Bet-David?

  But what do you think the law is?

• 1:23:58Speaker 02

  I noticed you don't answer any question.

• 1:24:00Patrick Bet-David?

  No.

• 1:24:00Speaker 02

  It's a very simple question. Yes or no? Do you support a law of the jungle where might is right?

• 1:24:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you believe in non-competes?

• 1:24:06Speaker 02

  You can't answer a question with a question. You have to answer the question. Do you support a might is right view where law of the jungle, whoever's powerful gets to do what they want?

• 1:24:12Patrick Bet-David?

  I, I'm trying to find, no, no, I'm, I'll answer it for you. I'm trying to find out what other law, the land you think we live in. Help me understand.

• 1:24:21Speaker 02

  Uh, we have domestic law, we have international law, we have criminal law.

• 1:24:23Patrick Bet-David?

  What is the, what, what?

• 1:24:24Speaker 02

  I don't know where you're living.

• 1:24:25Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you use?

• 1:24:26Speaker 02

  This is, you've been in Florida far too long.

• 1:24:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you use chat GPT or do you use Claude? Which do you use more?

• 1:24:31Speaker 02

  Probably chat GPT more.

• 1:24:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Chat GPT more than Claude? Okay. Do you know when it first started, who had the biggest market share?

• 1:24:37Speaker 02

  Chat GPT.

• 1:24:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, who do you think's killing it right now?

• 1:24:38Speaker 02

  Claude.

• 1:24:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Claude's picking it up. Why?

• 1:24:41Speaker 02

  Because they invaded another country, kidnapped the president.

• 1:24:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Because they produced a better product.

• 1:24:45Speaker 02

  Did they, did?

• 1:24:46Patrick Bet-David?

  And this is why.

• 1:24:47Speaker 02

  Did, did, did Amade, what's the guy's name? Dario Amade? What's his name? The guy runs Claude? Did he go into Sam Altman's house in the middle of the night, take Sam Altman and his wife, put bags on their heads? And fly them back to his compound?

• 1:24:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:58Speaker 02

  And kill a grandmother in the process?

• 1:25:00Patrick Bet-David?

  The only difference is that, but war is now.

• 1:25:02Speaker 02

  That is the big difference, Patrick. I can't believe you don't see it.

• 1:25:04Patrick Bet-David?

  I I understand what you're saying in the argument of that, but the reality of it is. Which is what?

• 1:25:09Speaker 02

  A law of the jungle where the might is right. Do you support a world? Do you like living in a world?

• 1:25:12Patrick Bet-David?

  He's specific.

• 1:25:13Speaker 02

  Are you pro? Do you support the idea of living in a world where powerful countries should be able to do what they want?

• 1:25:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Can I ask you a question? What country?

• 1:25:18Speaker 02

  You keep answering your question with a question.

• 1:25:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Why do you live in America? Why do you live in America?

• 1:25:22Speaker 02

  Because I like the law. You know what I like about the US?

• 1:25:24Patrick Bet-David?

  It's the most powerful.

• 1:25:25Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:25:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Go live in Iran.

• 1:25:26Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:25:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Go live in Iraq.

• 1:25:27Speaker 02

  I don't live here because it's the most powerful country.

• 1:25:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Why do you live here?

• 1:25:29Speaker 02

  Because many reasons.

• 1:25:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Give me.

• 1:25:31Speaker 02

  One is, it's a country that's governed by laws, principles, free speech.

• 1:25:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Right, yes.

• 1:25:34Speaker 02

  I love the First Amendment.

• 1:25:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 1:25:36Speaker 02

  The Constitution.

• 1:25:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:37Speaker 02

  I don't favor presidents and people who say we should just break the law because we can.

• 1:25:40Patrick Bet-David?

  I didn't say break the law.

• 1:25:41Speaker 02

  What do you mean, taking over Cuba and breaking the law? UN Charter, that's the law of the land.

• 1:25:45Patrick Bet-David?

  If, if they come and they try to take over.

• 1:25:49Speaker 02

  Which, who, who's coming?

• 1:25:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Whoever it is. Trump's already talking about it. Rubio's already talking about it.

• 1:25:53Speaker 02

  We're taking, the Cubans are not taking over anything.

• 1:25:55Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, Cubans are not taking over anything.

• 1:25:56Speaker 02

  We are, we are launching a war of aggression, like the Nazis. Nuremberg called it. You know what the Nuremberg tribe called a war of aggression?

• 1:26:02Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm assuming.

• 1:26:02Speaker 02

  The supreme international war crime.

• 1:26:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Is it fair to say you were against tariffs on day one?

• 1:26:06Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:26:07Patrick Bet-David?

  I was for tariffs. Guess what Supreme Court ruled?

• 1:26:10Speaker 02

  Against tariffs.

• 1:26:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, great. Guess what? You just.

• 1:26:13Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:26:13Patrick Bet-David?

  That's what happened. If they go.

• 1:26:15Speaker 02

  You want to live in a world where Trump says, F the Supreme Court, and that's what JD Vance has said on the record.

• 1:26:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Not at all.

• 1:26:20Speaker 02

  JD Vance has said this on the record. But you just said you want to live in a world where powerful people get to do what they want.

• 1:26:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Look, let me tell you.

• 1:26:26Speaker 02

  You said it, everyone can watch it.

• 1:26:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Today, Trump's the president, okay? Few years ago Biden was the president. In 2028, AOC could be the president, Newsom could be the president, Rubio could be the president, somebody else could be the president, right? Every time the opposing side is the president, the opposing side thinks it's the end of the world. What ends up happening to America? What ends up happening?

• 1:26:46Speaker 02

  Bad things.

• 1:26:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Not necessarily. Eventually goes back to normalcy and it's like, yeah, I'm gonna go the other.

• 1:26:51Speaker 02

  I look at the Trump first term and I see half a million people killed from COVID because he couldn't handle a pandemic.

• 1:26:54Patrick Bet-David?

  But do you know why though? Do you know why though? What, what protects America the way it does?

• 1:26:58Speaker 02

  I would argue our laws constitution

• 1:27:00Patrick Bet-David?

  I agree. Supreme Court's history.

• 1:27:01Speaker 02

  And you're saying I want to throw it all out.

• 1:27:03Patrick Bet-David?

  No, but.

• 1:27:03Speaker 02

  To have an imperialist nation.

• 1:27:04Patrick Bet-David?

  If a leader comes in that is a visionary leader that wants to expand and grow and he can do it within his terms and Supreme Court and law allows it, I don't mind him doing that.

• 1:27:14Speaker 02

  First of all, the Supreme Court law doesn't allow it. Venezuela was unconstitutional. Congress declares war in this country.

• 1:27:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, then if that's the case. Well, we saw that with the 60-day rule with Iran.

• 1:27:22Speaker 02

  He's violated that.

• 1:27:23Patrick Bet-David?

  I understand that and they're, they're, they're working around that right now in different ways to see.

• 1:27:26Speaker 02

  But forget American law, what about international law? Even if the American Congress votes to attack Cuba, that doesn't make it legal in international. You can't attack other countries.

• 1:27:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Mehdi, let me, let me ask you, if, for instance, innocent people.

• 1:27:38Speaker 02

  Tomorrow you'll say 9/11 was just, do you support 9/11?

• 1:27:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Innocent.

• 1:27:40Speaker 02

  Do you support 9/11? Why? Al Qaeda could do it, they did it. According to your logic, Al Qaeda had everything to do.

• 1:27:45Patrick Bet-David?

  No, there's a difference between me supporting it and then them doing it and then me retaliating to you. Like right now, if you and I were sitting.

• 1:27:51Speaker 02

  But you don't think it was illegal?

• 1:27:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Do I? Of course it's illegal.

• 1:27:54Speaker 02

  Why? According to you, it doesn't matter.

• 1:27:55Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, of course it's illegal.

• 1:27:57Speaker 02

  Also, 9/11 is illegal, but us attacking Cuba is legal.

• 1:27:59Patrick Bet-David?

  I didn't tell you, you never heard me say attacking. If they can go and take it over without attacking and the laws allow it, guess what? I'm for it.

• 1:28:08Speaker 02

  That's a whole different argument.

• 1:28:09Patrick Bet-David?

  It's not a whole different.

• 1:28:10Speaker 02

  If the Cuban people vote in a referendum to become the 51st state.

• 1:28:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Don't spin right now and make it seem like I want to go kill people and take stuff over.

• 1:28:15Speaker 02

  You defended Venezuela. We killed people to get him out.

• 1:28:17Patrick Bet-David?

  I never said, if, but by the way.

• 1:28:19Speaker 02

  You said give him credit for Venezuela. You did say that.

• 1:28:21Patrick Bet-David?

  You don't, you don't think that was a good move?

• 1:28:23Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:28:23Patrick Bet-David?

  You don't think that was a good move?

• 1:28:24Speaker 02

  No, I don't believe you, I don't support regime change. I don't support assassinating foreign leaders.

• 1:28:29Patrick Bet-David?

  You, you don't.

• 1:28:30Speaker 02

  What did George Washington say? Don't go abroad looking for monsters to display. Was it Adams? I forget, founder.

• 1:28:35Patrick Bet-David?

  So you don't support what he did?

• 1:28:36Speaker 02

  I do not support the United States government.

• 1:28:38Patrick Bet-David?

  I thought, I thought it was a massive victory.

• 1:28:39Speaker 02

  Attacking foreign countries.

• 1:28:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Especially the way they did it.

• 1:28:41Speaker 02

  And killing foreign leaders. Even if it has a good outcome, I don't support it because I support laws and principles.

• 1:28:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, I do also support laws and principles, but if you say you support laws and principles, you're trying to tell me Obama followed everything?

• 1:28:52Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:28:53Patrick Bet-David?

  You're telling me all these.

• 1:28:53Speaker 02

  He violated the law in Libya. Criticized him.

• 1:28:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Every one of them.

• 1:28:56Speaker 02

  Because I'm not in a cult, I criticized Obama in 2011 for doing Libya.

• 1:29:00Patrick Bet-David?

  But you know what's the difference between you and I and them?

• 1:29:02Speaker 02

  I criticize people on all sides, you don't.

• 1:29:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, we do. We do it as well. But you know what's the difference between you and I and them?

• 1:29:09Speaker 02

  Go on.

• 1:29:09Patrick Bet-David?

  What's the difference?

• 1:29:10Speaker 02

  You and I and who?

• 1:29:11Patrick Bet-David?

  You and I talking, giving our opinions and Obama and Trump. What's the difference between you and I and them?

• 1:29:16Speaker 02

  We're not politicians.

• 1:29:17Patrick Bet-David?

  They made it into the White House.

• 1:29:19Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:29:19Patrick Bet-David?

  And so they're gonna, they're gonna be able to do whatever they're gonna do. You and I can talk about it, give our opinions.

• 1:29:23Speaker 02

  We don't have an imperial presidency. We shouldn't have an imperial presidency.

• 1:29:25Patrick Bet-David?

  That's why we have the freedom of speech of giving our opinions.

• 1:29:28Speaker 02

  We also have, we also have a vision of America, which is supposed to be a restrained commander in chief. The founders came to, we're celebrating 250 years of American history. They came to this country, where, from my old country, the UK, to get away from a mad king. Not to recreate a mad king.

• 1:29:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so we can get past this. I mean, when, maybe the next time we'll do the podcast, we'll do it in Cuba or Venezuela just for the sake of what we'll enjoy ourselves with. Anyways, let me get to the next story with you. By the way, Mamdani Spencer Pratt. What commonality do you see between the two of them?

• 1:29:57Speaker 02

  Very little.

• 1:29:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Very little?

• 1:29:59Speaker 02

  Very little.

• 1:29:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me why.

• 1:30:00Speaker 02

  Because I know this is argument that says all of these candidates who make a lot of noise, do well on social media, are similar. But I think people have underestimated what Mamdani is. Mamdani, yes, is charismatic, had a great social media game. I interviewed his team that made his social videos, great people, smart people. The video he did where he jumped into the water freezing cold to show Freeze the Rents. The video he did for Halal.

• 1:30:22Patrick Bet-David?

  You're saying Mamdani or Spencer Pratt?

• 1:30:22Speaker 02

  Mamdani, Mamdani. I'm just talking about, his campaign was brilliant online, no doubt about it. The Halal election.

• 1:30:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Maybe one of the best.

• 1:30:28Speaker 02

  One of the best, yeah.

• 1:30:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Maybe one of the best.

• 1:30:29Speaker 02

  One of the best.

• 1:30:30Patrick Bet-David?

  And the guy that's close to Spencer Pratt.

• 1:30:31Speaker 02

  Came out of nowhere, 1%, only 1%.

• 1:30:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I agree.

• 1:30:32Speaker 02

  But what happens is a lot of Democrats took the wrong lesson from that. They said, ah, this guy is so good on social media, we gotta hire the same people who did his social media campaigns? We gotta do video. Did you notice after Mamdani won the primary? Suddenly you saw all these congressional Democrats primaries, making, walking down the same videos, same cutaways, same... And they think that's how you replicate Mamdani. They misunderstand. Mamdani, yes, the social media game helped him get his message across, helped him get the youth out. But at the core of Mamdani was a very clear message. And here's what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna compare him to Trump, right, right now.

• 1:31:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Be careful.

• 1:31:04Speaker 02

  I'm gonna compare him to Trump. Donald Trump, I ask this question to everyone. I can't get fired. So...

• 1:31:09Patrick Bet-David?

  You're a capitalist, you're free.

• 1:31:10Speaker 02

  I'm free. 2016, I say this to everyone I talk to about politics. I said, tell me, I say this to leftists, I say this to liberals, I say this to Muslims, I say this to non-Muslims. Tell me what Donald Trump's...

• 1:31:22Speaker 02

  Three main policies were in 2016.

• 1:31:24Patrick Bet-David?

  What was it?

• 1:31:24Speaker 02

  You tell me, what was the slogan? Do you remember what Donald Trump, what did he run on? When he fast run, what did he run on?

• 1:31:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Get rid of these rapists and all this.

• 1:31:30Speaker 02

  Ban Muslims, build a wall. Remember that? That was all his big lines.

• 1:31:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Build the wall is one.

• 1:31:35Speaker 02

  So we remember all those slogans.

• 1:31:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:37Speaker 02

  Right? Do you remember what Hillary Clinton's lines were? No.

• 1:31:41Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm for her and that's about it. First female president.

• 1:31:44Speaker 02

  But her own slogan. She had a great, you know, 77 page childcare proposal, I'm sure. I'm sure it's better than Trump's. But people don't campaign like that. And I think what Mumdani did is even now, you ask me, what is our Mumdani run on? Okay, freeze the rents, free buses, free childcare. It was message discipline around a set of policies that people identified with, that helped with this ridiculous affordability crisis, that made him seem like he was in touch. And I think if Democrats only take away, or people in the media only take away from Mumdani, that, ah, the guy's slick, he smiles well, Trump loves him, he does great social videos.

• 1:32:16Patrick Bet-David?

  You don't think Pratt has that?

• 1:32:17Speaker 02

  I don't think. What's Pratt's main policy platform that's gonna get people out for him?

• 1:32:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, the fires, homelessness.

• 1:32:25Speaker 02

  Everyone, everyone says they wanna deal with that.

• 1:32:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, but that's because that's what's happening.

• 1:32:29Speaker 02

  The guy is a reality TV star. I'm not a fan of reality TV stars running for president. I wrote a piece saying Oprah should not run for president years ago. Although I have said Jon Stewart should run in a primary.

• 1:32:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you think Spencer Pratt stands a chance?

• 1:32:39Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:32:40Patrick Bet-David?

  He does.

• 1:32:40Speaker 02

  Because America's fucked up right now.

• 1:32:42Patrick Bet-David?

  You think Spencer Pratt stands a chance?

• 1:32:44Speaker 02

  Donald Trump is president of the United States twice. I'm never gonna rule out anything in this country. I thought Trump wouldn't win in 2016. That's how dumb I was in 2016. That's why I don't do predictions anymore. No, no, 24, I said he would win and I said he's gonna win and he's gonna be a fashion.

• 1:32:57Patrick Bet-David?

  When did you say he'd win in 24?

• 1:32:59Speaker 02

  All of 24, I spent all of 24 warning.

• 1:33:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it.

• 1:33:01Speaker 02

  I said, get rid of Biden. I said, Colin needs to change his performance.

• 1:33:04Patrick Bet-David?

  You think this is the new era? You think that this is the new era of types of people that run for president? Which before used to be general military, all this stuff.

• 1:33:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't, I don't think it's a good thing. And I wrote this piece when, when they were thinking about Oprah. Do you remember a few years ago, people were pushing Oprah win for his name? And I wrote a piece for The Intercept saying, come on, no. Let's not go down this road. Um, I do think you need politicians with charisma. And that's why people think of Hollywood stars. That's why someone like, I love Jon Stewart. I would love Jon Stewart to run in a primary, just to shake things up.

• 1:33:30Patrick Bet-David?

  He'd be fun.

• 1:33:31Speaker 02

  Great president, but I think him running would just add to the race. But my biggest problem is, I take politics seriously. Let's go back to, I've been studying, I've been a political journalist for 25 years.

• 1:33:40Patrick Bet-David?

  This is your sport.

• 1:33:41Speaker 02

  I did politics at university, I did politics at high school, I do debate, I take this shit seriously. And it annoys me when, look at Donald Trump, what did he say yesterday? I'm bored, I'm bored of the Iran negotiations, like a freaking child, right? You cannot have people who are unserious people.

• 1:33:54Patrick Bet-David?

  You can't help yourself, can you, with Trump?

• 1:33:55Speaker 02

  Unserious, I can't, unserious people in charge of our countries.

• 1:33:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Have you ever met him, by the way?

• 1:33:59Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:34:00Patrick Bet-David?

  You've never met?

• 1:34:02Speaker 02

  I've never met Donald Trump, no. No, shall I go to White House briefing?

• 1:34:05Patrick Bet-David?

  No, I'm just trying to see if you've ever met him.

• 1:34:06Speaker 02

  Shall I go to White House briefing and get, try and get called on by Caroline Leavitt?

• 1:34:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you?

• 1:34:09Speaker 02

  I got a few questions.

• 1:34:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you meet Biden?

• 1:34:12Speaker 02

  Did I meet Biden? I'm trying to think, I was in an event with Biden, I don't think I met him, but I was.

• 1:34:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Obama?

• 1:34:16Speaker 02

  No, he was before my time, I arrived at the end of his presidency.

• 1:34:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you interview?

• 1:34:19Speaker 02

  I was, I was in a room with Obama, I interviewed a lot of his people, Ben Rhodes, a lot of people around him.

• 1:34:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Not, not, not him?

• 1:34:23Speaker 02

  Not, not the president.

• 1:34:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 1:34:24Speaker 02

  The president gave me an interview then, I was an out, yeah, no.

• 1:34:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it. Surprised you've never met Trump.

• 1:34:28Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:34:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Would you want to meet him?

• 1:34:29Speaker 02

  I'm a journalist, how would I not want to meet him? I'd love to interview him.

• 1:34:32Patrick Bet-David?

  What would you ask him? What three questions would you ask him? You sat with him, what do you ask him?

• 1:34:37Speaker 02

  I mean, I'd only get three, because he'd walk out after three.

• 1:34:39Patrick Bet-David?

  You think you would?

• 1:34:40Speaker 02

  Oh, he's super thin-skinned.

• 1:34:41Patrick Bet-David?

  You, you think you would want?

• 1:34:42Speaker 02

  Look, he gets upset with like, I regard American interviewers to be softball interviewers. I'm from the UK, where we do tough interviews. My biggest criticism in the American media is weak-ass interviews. Nora O'Donnell barely asked him anything the other day, the guy had a meltdown, he's like, you're so rude, you're so rude, you're so disgusting, you're so... He just can't handle, he's got such a thin skin, he's the winiest leader we've ever had.

• 1:35:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, he asked about, if I'm not mistaken, he asked about the guy's letter.

• 1:35:06Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:35:06Patrick Bet-David?

  That had to do with rape and pedophilia and something like that.

• 1:35:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:10Patrick Bet-David?

  She started with, and you could tell she was nervous when she asked the question.

• 1:35:13Speaker 02

  This is CBS, this is now in the can for Trump, let's not forget.

• 1:35:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, sure.

• 1:35:16Speaker 02

  This is a guy who says, be quiet, piggy, to reporters, he can't handle tough questions.

• 1:35:19Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you ask him? You got three questions, what do you ask him?

• 1:35:23Speaker 02

  I would ask him, I wouldn't ask him opinion questions. It annoys me when people say, "What do you think, mister?" He loves that shit. I would ask him fact questions about what is happening in the world. I would ask him, it depends on the day, right? If I'm interviewing him right now, I would say to him, "You said..." My opening question would be, "You said a few weeks ago that people say Donald Trump's gonna get bored of this war. I don't get bored, you said. And yesterday you said, 'I'm bored of this war.' How do you explain that? That would be my first question, Aaron.

• 1:35:55Patrick Bet-David?

  What else?

• 1:35:56Speaker 02

  I would say to him, "Are you out of your depth in this conflict?" And I would give it the evidence as to why he's out of his depth and ask him to deal with each of those examples. For example, the Strait of Hormuz. For example, the Gulf countries. I also wouldn't be able to resist having some fun. I always think someone should ask Donald Trump. I would love for someone at a White House briefing to stand up and ask something that completely exposes this man's pig ignorance of the world. I would love someone to stand up and say, "Mr. President, when will you be going to Wakanda? They are building a Trump tower there and they love you in Africa." And he would say, "I love them too." Because he doesn't know that Wakanda is a fictional country.

• 1:36:33Patrick Bet-David?

  You think he would say that?

• 1:36:34Speaker 02

  Hundred and ten percent.

• 1:36:35Patrick Bet-David?

  You think he would say that?

• 1:36:36Speaker 02

  I would pay money to any White House correspondent watching. They'd get fired on the spot by the network.

• 1:36:39Patrick Bet-David?

  It's obvious. Do you put him as an intelligent man?

• 1:36:43Speaker 02

  What's your definition? Depends how you define intelligent. Like, street smart, getting ahead, getting his way?

• 1:36:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Sure.

• 1:36:48Speaker 02

  Sure. He wouldn't be able to get where he got to.

• 1:36:50Patrick Bet-David?

  He's probably not a well-read guy in your eyes.

• 1:36:52Speaker 02

  That's an understatement. I think he's one of the most ignorant people I've ever come across. He's seen the latest stuff? He keeps being like, "I called them Democrats." You have to take the "B" off of "dumb." Most people don't know that "dumb" has "B" on it. No, most people do know that. You probably just discovered that there's a "B" on "dumb." You know, there's a Trump tic. I watch him so much. Whenever he says, "Most people didn't know this," it means he just discovered something himself, two minutes ago.

• 1:37:12Patrick Bet-David?

  You literally think he just discovered how to spell "dumb"?

• 1:37:15Speaker 02

  I know it. And talk to the people who worked with him. We're second-term Trump, Patrick. I don't have to make this stuff up. Dozens of people have now left the demonstration, have told their stories, and it's all the same thing. The guy is egomaniac. The guy is vain. The guy is dumb. The guy changes his opinion based on the last person he spoke to.

• 1:37:30Patrick Bet-David?

  This is a guy that won in... Business. This is a guy that won in media.

• 1:37:33Speaker 02

  Didn't win in business. Five bankrupt seasons in a row. You're more successful than he is.

• 1:37:36Patrick Bet-David?

  This is a guy that took a, you know, show from zero to one, fifteen years.

• 1:37:40Speaker 02

  Steve Jobs, for god's sake.

• 1:37:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Dude, the guy won presidency two times.

• 1:37:44Speaker 02

  Apprentice? I give you Apprentice.

• 1:37:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Two times.

• 1:37:46Speaker 02

  I give you Apprentice. Great reality TV star.

• 1:37:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Two times.

• 1:37:49Speaker 02

  Great. I'm not going to question his ability to run in a reality TV star. I'm questioning his ability to run America.

• 1:37:54Patrick Bet-David?

  How do you think about his kids? Do you give them compliment as a parent, as a father?

• 1:37:57Speaker 02

  No. Have you read the stories about his children?

• 1:37:59Patrick Bet-David?

  You don't think he's a good father? Why do you think his kids love him?

• 1:38:02Speaker 02

  You think the kids love him?

• 1:38:02Patrick Bet-David?

  You don't think they do?

• 1:38:03Speaker 02

  I mean, if you read, if you read some of the, if you read some of the tabloids, well, money and power can be great.

• 1:38:08Patrick Bet-David?

  You think that's the only reason?

• 1:38:09Speaker 02

  Well, if you read.

• 1:38:09Patrick Bet-David?

  A lot of billionaires, kids don't want to be around them. A lot of them.

• 1:38:12Speaker 02

  If you read, if you read the New York tabloid press that Trump was very friendly with, the kids didn't like him when he was young. They were annoyed that he was cheating on their parents, his respective mothers. Things changed. There's stories about him, allegedly, it's denied. There we go. There's stories about allegedly him, you know, slapping Don Jr. At college in front of his friends and all sorts of stories. I don't know if they're true or not, but this is what's reported. Tiffany Trump, he never talks about.

• 1:38:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Coming from a Muslim and a Middle Eastern dude, what did our parents do to us when we were kids? Did you ever get slammed?

• 1:38:39Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 1:38:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Dude, you like, you and I don't have the permission to say anything with that, so we, we got to change the subject.

• 1:38:44Speaker 02

  We withdraw that.

• 1:38:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, we draw that.

• 1:38:46Speaker 02

  He didn't go to his son's, he didn't go to his son's wedding so he could do troll posts about Rokana.

• 1:38:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Nah, I don't think he didn't go to the wedding because he, they had to go back for the war and everything that was going on.

• 1:38:55Speaker 02

  Come on, he's not a great.

• 1:38:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Question, when it comes on to Muslims, 2020 vote to 2024.

• 1:38:59Speaker 02

  You love it. You did, whatever you did, you came back to Muslim. Why are you obsessed with Muslims?

• 1:39:02Patrick Bet-David?

  You like stats.

• 1:39:03Speaker 02

  Because you left Iran?

• 1:39:03Patrick Bet-David?

  I want to give you stats.

• 1:39:04Speaker 02

  I want to know why you're obsessed with Muslims.

• 1:39:05Patrick Bet-David?

  I want to give you stats.

• 1:39:05Speaker 02

  You know there was a terrorist attack on a mosque recently?

• 1:39:07Patrick Bet-David?

  I want to give you a stat.

• 1:39:07Speaker 02

  Did that bother you?

• 1:39:08Patrick Bet-David?

  I want to give you a stat.

• 1:39:09Speaker 02

  Did that bother you?

• 1:39:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Can I, can I, Mary, invite me to your show?

• 1:39:12Speaker 02

  Oh, I'm inviting you after this.

• 1:39:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Here we go, so.

• 1:39:14Speaker 02

  You've all heard it. He said to invite him, Rob. You heard it. Everyone on YouTube heard it. I'm inviting you to a show.

• 1:39:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so here we go. 2020, Biden had 69% of Muslim votes.

• 1:39:23Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:39:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Trump had 24%. 2025, Kamala dropped the Democrat vote from 69 to 50%. Trump went from 24 to 31%. Third party got 12% and increased by 9%. Why did Muslims become Republicans?

• 1:39:38Speaker 02

  Gaza.

• 1:39:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Gaza.

• 1:39:39Speaker 02

  There are other issues too. The bathroom transgender issue in places like Michigan, a lot of conservative Arab Muslims didn't like that. They don't like the, they don't like, that's very, that was happening even before Gaza. No doubt about that. But it was still a kind of fringe issue. What made it an issue?

• 1:39:51Patrick Bet-David?

  You said transgender, oh, the LGBT.

• 1:39:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, like, like they were conservative Arab communities and Deibor like, we don't want this.

• 1:39:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Glad you brought that up.

• 1:39:57Speaker 02

  We don't want this. And they brought that up. That was before Gaza. There's no debate that some were shifting already to the Republican Party.

• 1:40:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Sure.

• 1:40:02Speaker 02

  But they were a tiny minority. The vast majority of Muslims still voted, Democrats still supported, still understood. The Republican Party is Islamophobic, you know, white supremacist adjacent party right now.

• 1:40:10Patrick Bet-David?

  You think number one reason is? You think number one reason why they vote the other side is because of Israel?

• 1:40:16Speaker 02

  Ten miles. Gaza, no, not Israel. The Gaza genocide. You have to understand, I spoke to a lot of these people, I traveled through all these communities in 2024.

• 1:40:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Yep.

• 1:40:24Speaker 02

  And I tried to point out, yes, Biden and Harris are complicit in a genocide. No one's defending the Democrats. I was very critical of the Democrats and what they did between 2023 and 2024. But Trump will be worse or as bad. He's not going to be better. And people bought the Trump shtick. No, no, he's anti-war. He didn't start any new wars. He's not interested in the Middle East. He's friends with MBS. He's friends with Erdogan. It's going to be great. I met Palestinians who told me Trump will be better on Gaza. He's transactional president. They bought that shit. Look at him now. Look how many Arab countries have been bombed. But Muslims were not voting for Trump as a whole. You've mentioned third party too. Jill Stein picked up a lot of votes in some places, not as many as people thought she would.

• 1:41:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Four percent.

• 1:41:02Speaker 02

  Of Muslim votes, yes.

• 1:41:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:03Speaker 02

  So in certain places, so.

• 1:41:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Majority was like two percent.

• 1:41:06Speaker 02

  But my bigger picture is every time I said to someone, Trump is going to be worse than Harris. They said legitimately to me, but we have to punish the Democrats. That was the line. We have to punish the Democrats. They can't be seen to get away with a genocide. And when you say Kamala dropped it to 50, well, Joe Biden dropped it to 50. Harris kept it at 50 by not distancing herself from Biden. Her biggest single mistake was going on The View and my friend Sunny Hurston said to her, what will you do differently to Joe Biden? And she said, nothing. And the minute she said that, I knew she's lost. And that was it. Until then, I had some hope. She could beat him. She was leading in the polls after the convention.

• 1:41:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Is this the worst candidate you've ever seen on the left?

• 1:41:46Patrick Bet-David?

  In our lifetime, this is your sport.

• 1:41:48Speaker 02

  I don't think she's as bad as people thought she was. I think she was, she was definitely handled a poisoned

• 1:41:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Who's been worse than her on the left?

• 1:41:53Speaker 02

  But who's ever had a sixty, a hundred and day campaign? Like, she got a shitty, she got a shitty legacy. Let's just be fair to her, right? If we're gonna be fair, we should be fair that she got a shit, Joe Biden should not have been in the race until July of 2024. That was insane.

• 1:42:05Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm with you on that one.

• 1:42:06Speaker 02

  She then got coronated.

• 1:42:07Patrick Bet-David?

  You saw what Joe Biden came out and said, you know?

• 1:42:09Speaker 02

  What a load of bullshit from Joe Biden. She's like, oh, I thought he had a stroke that night. No, you didn't.

• 1:42:13Patrick Bet-David?

  And then the video says, oh, Joe, you did so good.

• 1:42:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, we saw you that night.

• 1:42:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:17Speaker 02

  If you thought you had a stroke, why didn't you call the White House doctor? Um, so bullshit, but rewriting of history. Um, I did a pod, I did a video that night after the debate in my basement, in my home studio. I got attacked for it by some people saying Biden needs to stand down. It's ridiculous. Um, and I still think Trump should stand down. He's also got mental issues. But Harris was a good candidate for a very short period. She had all this momentum, you know, the honeymoon period, Americans love rehabilitation, give somebody a chance. She comes in, she gets a boost, she runs this, I'm joy, joy, remember that? Goes to the convention. I was at the convention, it felt like a fricking party. I remember a member of Congress was there.

• 1:42:50Patrick Bet-David?

  As if it's all of you.

• 1:42:51Speaker 02

  A Democratic member of Congress said to me, this is bad. We have not won, this is way too early. There's a member of Congress said this to me, a lefty. And I remember sitting there, what, oh, Beyonce is gonna be here. It wasn't Beyonce, it was fucking Leon Panetta. But anyways, bizarre. We come out of that convention and then she starts tacking to the right. She starts saying all this shit about, um, uh, you know, uh, what was it? Oh, they were, they were shutting down Lena Khan, the, um, the anti-trust stuff. She had Mark Cuban, Liz Cheney campaigning for her. She campaigned more with Liz Cheney than with AOC and Bernie, right?

• 1:43:20Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, that was horrible move.

• 1:43:22Speaker 02

  Insane.

• 1:43:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Horrible move.

• 1:43:23Speaker 02

  It didn't win over anyone.

• 1:43:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you think that was a good idea?

• 1:43:25Speaker 02

  No, I said at the time, at the time, I said, these people are not gonna switch over. Olivia Troy, who's a good friend of mine, former, uh, Trump official turned never Trumper, she was part of that. And she admits now, I've interviewed her. She says, yeah, we tried, but the concert, we, we thought there'd be like this mass of conservative women that would come over.

• 1:43:39Patrick Bet-David?

  How much money did they raise? Two point one, what was the number? One point five billion or two point, that's a big number.

• 1:43:44Speaker 02

  It was a lot.

• 1:43:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. But so you.

• 1:43:46Speaker 02

  But she, she also had a brother-in-law, by the way. There are a lot of reporting that suggests Kamala's brother-in-law, her sister's husband, I think Tony West is his name, big Uber lobbyist, he was pushing her to drop all The affordability, good stuff, dropped the ads, there was poll testing.

• 1:43:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Some controversy with him as well, if I'm not mistaken.

• 1:44:00Speaker 02

  I don't know if it was. But the affordability agenda that she dropped, she should have gone economic populist, right? She did not go economic populist, instead she campaigned with a billionaire and with a war criminal. And I think that was a huge problem. Uh, she, and then she went on The View and said, no change, this is a change election. You can't go into change elections, I'm not gonna do anything different from the guy who's going out, it was just.

• 1:44:20Patrick Bet-David?

  So you think, okay, so go to twenty eight.

• 1:44:21Speaker 02

  But she could have won, by the way, he didn't win a landslide, Trump lied his ass off.

• 1:44:25Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you mean he could have, she could have won? She lost every single state, seven states.

• 1:44:28Speaker 02

  Have you looked at the numbers? In the three key swings.

• 1:44:30Patrick Bet-David?

  She helped more counties become Republican in America than.

• 1:44:33Speaker 02

  Have you looked at the numbers? If a hundred and fifteen thousand people had voted differently, she would be president. That's what it came down to in our ludicrous system. She lost by, she lost by one and a half percentage point, one of the narrowest. He got one of the narrowest wins in modern American history, you know that, right? I know he lies, and people like you give him credit, he lies, he said, I won a landslide, he won one of the worst. Uh, you can pull it up, Rob, I wrote a piece for The Guardian with all the receipts.

• 1:44:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Every county became more Republican in America.

• 1:44:56Speaker 02

  Pull up my piece.

• 1:44:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Every county became.

• 1:44:59Speaker 02

  Guardian twenty twenty four, Mehdi landslide, type it out.

• 1:45:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you please send this chart to this man here?

• 1:45:04Speaker 02

  Pull it up.

• 1:45:05Patrick Bet-David?

  He's, he's the Muslim community is becoming more Republican, which is great.

• 1:45:10Speaker 02

  Will you give me permission to read from your screen?

• 1:45:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Go for it.

• 1:45:12Speaker 02

  Can we scroll down?

• 1:45:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 1:45:14Speaker 02

  This is a great moment for me, taking over your show. Scroll downs, keep going, keep going, keep going, stop, stop, stop. Um, so, the former president's margin of victory over Harris is a miniscule one point six percentage, but actually it's one point five, it went down after that. Smaller than that of every winning president since eighteen eighty eight, other than JFK and Richard Nixon. In fact, in the fifty five presidential elections in which the popular vote winner became president, listen to this. Oh, your lip viewers are getting some good facts today. Forty nine of those fifty five elections were won with a margin bigger than Donald Trump's in twenty twenty four. I hope the president is watching your show, I know he's a friend of his, he's coming to the show.

• 1:45:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you do me a favor?

• 1:45:47Speaker 02

  Donald Trump, you lost.

• 1:45:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you show?

• 1:45:49Speaker 02

  You won with a.

• 1:45:50Patrick Bet-David?

  How many?

• 1:45:51Speaker 02

  Forty nine counties. Who gives a fuck about counties?

• 1:45:54Patrick Bet-David?

  One.

• 1:45:55Speaker 02

  I'm showing you the margin of victory.

• 1:45:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Mary.

• 1:45:58Speaker 02

  He won by one point five. You can raise your voice, but I've already done my receipts.

• 1:46:02Patrick Bet-David?

  If there's anybody that has no room to say anything. Look at this here. Look at this here. You run away.

• 1:46:09Speaker 02

  I love this. You know, land doesn't vote.

• 1:46:11Patrick Bet-David?

  He converted Muslims into Republican.

• 1:46:12Speaker 02

  Patrick, you know, land doesn't vote. I love these, I love these maps. That's land.

• 1:46:16Patrick Bet-David?

  He showed a stat.

• 1:46:17Speaker 02

  Land doesn't vote. I gave you the numbers.

• 1:46:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Muslims voted for him.

• 1:46:20Speaker 02

  Still more, still more for the Democrats.

• 1:46:22Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, Muslims went from 24% for Trump in 2020 to 31%.

• 1:46:27Speaker 02

  Patrick, I'm not on the right.

• 1:46:28Patrick Bet-David?

  He's winning your people over.

• 1:46:29Speaker 02

  Patrick, and it kills me. Patrick, I'm not on the right. I'm not an election denier. Donald Trump won, but he didn't win 50% of the vote. You know, people say he won the, he won the popular vote. You know, he didn't win a majority of the votes. He's running three elections.

• 1:46:39Patrick Bet-David?

  I know that, but.

• 1:46:40Speaker 02

  You know, he's run three elections.

• 1:46:41Patrick Bet-David?

  You know who, you know what? Who's the last Republican that has?

• 1:46:44Speaker 02

  George W. Bush?

• 1:46:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, it's the last one that did it. It's not a, that's not like a, oh my God, he didn't win the majority, you know?

• 1:46:50Speaker 02

  But he hasn't, but he brags and says he does. He's never won a majority of the vote. Today, he's polling in the 30s. He's lost, by the way, he's lost all that support from Latinos, young people and Muslims. You accept that, right? That coalition he put together is gone now.

• 1:47:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so, so this, this, this the part where guys like you come out and they'll say what they'll say.

• 1:47:04Speaker 02

  They'll say facts.

• 1:47:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you see the spot? Did you see his endorsement how they did? Did you see his endorsement how they did? Everybody he picked, did you see how many that won?

• 1:47:12Speaker 02

  Oh, in the primaries?

• 1:47:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, did you see?

• 1:47:14Speaker 02

  Great, great news for Democrats.

• 1:47:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Great news. Tell me, tell me why.

• 1:47:17Speaker 02

  You think James Talarico wants to run against Paxton or Cornyn?

• 1:47:20Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm actually curious, tell me why?

• 1:47:21Speaker 02

  No, he picks horrible candidates. Remember, um, what was the Georgia candidate? They should have won Georgia and they lost. Who did they put up? Herschel Walker. Remember that? Remember Herschel Walker?

• 1:47:29Patrick Bet-David?

  That I remember.

• 1:47:29Speaker 02

  Remember the dude in Alabama?

• 1:47:30Patrick Bet-David?

  He had a hard time speaking.

• 1:47:31Speaker 02

  Remember the dude in Alabama who was accused of child molestation that he denied? I can't remember his name, Alabama guy from 20, from his first term. He, he backed him, he lost.

• 1:47:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Talk about now. Talk about now. 117. 117.

• 1:47:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, but why would you back Paxton? Let's just talk about the main.

• 1:47:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me why you, so, so you like establishment candidates? Like Cornyn, 40 plus years.

• 1:47:52Speaker 02

  I hate John Cornyn, I hate Ken Paxton. But who would you want to run against? I want, I want the Democrats to win the Senate, obviously, to save democracy.

• 1:47:58Patrick Bet-David?

  So you think Talarico does better with Paxton than he does with Cornyn?

• 1:48:01Speaker 02

  You don't?

• 1:48:01Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm asking you.

• 1:48:02Speaker 02

  I'm asking you.

• 1:48:03Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, I asked you first.

• 1:48:03Speaker 02

  I 100% think he's going to.

• 1:48:04Patrick Bet-David?

  That he's going to do better.

• 1:48:05Speaker 02

  Well, the polls show he's doing better. I mean, just test the polls. He's leading in the.

• 1:48:08Patrick Bet-David?

  So you think, you think his power? By the way, do you guys in your family, you celebrate Pride Month?

• 1:48:12Speaker 02

  Do we celebrate Pride Month?

• 1:48:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I mean, it's Pride Month. I'm just asking, like, do you guys, do you have a way of celebrating Pride Month?

• 1:48:18Speaker 02

  Not personally, but I support people who do. I, did you see Mumdani yesterday?

• 1:48:22Patrick Bet-David?

  No.

• 1:48:22Speaker 02

  Interesting couple of posts. You know, people are like, Muslim Sharia, he's an extremist.

• 1:48:25Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you say?

• 1:48:26Speaker 02

  People on your side, 9 a.m. he posts, "Happy Pride Month, Mayor of New York."

• 1:48:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:30Speaker 02

  Midday, "Happy Eid, hosted Eid at Gracie Mansion." That's, that's modern America. People that want to make this guy into some kind of extremist, you guys on your show, I see you getting worked up about prayers in New York. This guy, Zaran Mumdani.

• 1:48:42Patrick Bet-David?

  You think Teller, okay, so by the way, I think Tellerico's formidable. It's not like I don't think he's formidable. I think he's a very good communicator. I think he's a, uh, to be honest with you, I think he's a better version of Pete Buttigieg. I think he's a better version of Pete Buttigieg.

• 1:48:53Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:48:54Patrick Bet-David?

  I think he's got a bigger upside than Pete Buttigieg.

• 1:48:56Speaker 02

  Okay. So I think. I think he's very talented.

• 1:48:57Patrick Bet-David?

  I think he's very talented.

• 1:48:58Speaker 02

  I want to interview him again, he's a very, very good talker. His policies are good. Uh, Texas is difficult. My wife is from Texas, I spend a lot of time in Texas, I'm under no illusions, it's a difficult state to win, but it's not as red as Republicans want you to believe.

• 1:49:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Not anymore.

• 1:49:10Speaker 02

  Not anymore.

• 1:49:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Not anymore.

• 1:49:11Speaker 02

  And I think that they could have probably won with Cornyn, but I think now it's in play, and you have to ask, what is Donald Trump's political strategy? You know, Patrick, that every Republican senator is pulling their hair out, wondering, what the hell did Donald Trump do here? He's now put the Senate in play in a way it wasn't in play before. Because even if Paxton wins Texas, they have to divert a bunch of resources from other states, which need them more to protect him. That's the problem strategically.

• 1:49:35Patrick Bet-David?

  For Paxton or Tellerico?

• 1:49:37Speaker 02

  For the Republicans trying to save their Senate majority, they're gonna have to divert resources to defend in Texas.

• 1:49:42Patrick Bet-David?

  You know how much money they're gonna spend on this?

• 1:49:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, but it could have been spent elsewhere.

• 1:49:44Patrick Bet-David?

  We're gonna see the money going there in ways we've never seen before.

• 1:49:46Speaker 02

  But it could have been spent elsewhere.

• 1:49:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Could be, I mean, that's the part of.

• 1:49:48Speaker 02

  They got a tough race in Michigan, they got a tough race all over the.

• 1:49:50Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, just out of curiosity.

• 1:49:51Speaker 02

  They're losing in North Carolina.

• 1:49:52Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm curious what you're gonna say with this. So out of curiosity, you have two people to choose as a candidate. One is a hardcore Republican, capitalist, pro-Trump guy, who's a Muslim. Second one is a hardcore socialist, progressive, liberal, who is a, um, Christian.

• 1:50:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Which you vote for?

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• 1:51:20Speaker 02

  Obviously, I vote for the person whose values and policies I support. I don't vote based on religion.

• 1:51:24Patrick Bet-David?

  So you would vote for the second person?

• 1:51:26Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 1:51:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Because of the values and principles?

• 1:51:28Speaker 02

  Of course. I don't vote based on religion. Mehmet Oz ran against John Fetterman. He would have been the first Muslim senator. If Abdul El-Sayed pulls it off in Michigan, he will be the first ever Muslim member of the United States Senate in American history.

• 1:51:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, we've never had one.

• 1:51:40Speaker 02

  We've never had one.

• 1:51:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:41Speaker 02

  Mehmet Oz could have been-

• 1:51:41Patrick Bet-David?

  We have five congressmen.

• 1:51:42Speaker 02

  Mehmet Oz could have been the first Muslim senator.

• 1:51:44Patrick Bet-David?

  But he would have been a Republican.

• 1:51:46Speaker 02

  Exactly, and his policies were horrible.

• 1:51:47Patrick Bet-David?

  So for you, that's a no-go.

• 1:51:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, because I don't care. It would be nice to say, hey, I'm Muslim.

• 1:51:51Patrick Bet-David?

  So policies over faith.

• 1:51:52Speaker 02

  Of course. But then, by the way, who did I back against him? Literally the worst Democratic senator he turned out to be, John Fetterman. But let's put that to one side. But Mehmet Oz, yeah, I don't vote on religion. I think it's crazy if people vote on religion. You shouldn't vote on religion.

• 1:52:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 1:52:02Speaker 02

  Muslims shouldn't vote for Muslims. Jews shouldn't vote for Jews. Christians, you should vote based on your policy platform, the principles and values.

• 1:52:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you think we'll have a-

• 1:52:08Speaker 02

  Muslims are not a monolith. I don't agree with all Muslims. You just mentioned some of them who vote for Trump.

• 1:52:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, do you think, do you think long-term,

• 1:52:15Patrick Bet-David?

  will be, America will be at a point where we'll have a Muslim governor or a Muslim president?

• 1:52:19Speaker 02

  Muslim governor, I hope, maybe Mamdani. He can't be president, right? So where does he go next?

• 1:52:23Patrick Bet-David?

  He could be governor.

• 1:52:24Speaker 02

  He could be governor, he could be senator, right? He can't go anywhere else. Secretary of State, whatever it is. He can't be president, sadly.

• 1:52:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Not even VP, right? VP, you can't even be VP. Speaker of the House, you could be, though. I think that if he chooses to go that route.

• 1:52:34Speaker 02

  That's a good question. I don't know the answer to that.

• 1:52:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you pull that up?

• 1:52:37Speaker 02

  Speaker of the House is third in line to the president.

• 1:52:38Patrick Bet-David?

  I think you could be Speaker.

• 1:52:39Speaker 02

  But then what if the president, vice president, god forbid?

• 1:52:41Patrick Bet-David?

  I know, I know, on the same plane. But that's why they're not on the same flight when they go. You'll notice some of the stuff that they do.

• 1:52:45Speaker 02

  Well, I don't know. I don't know the answer to that question.

• 1:52:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, let's listen.

• 1:52:48Speaker 02

  If you're ineligible from the presidency, can you be in the line of six?

• 1:52:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes, the Constitution does not require a Speaker of the House to be born in the US.

• 1:52:53Speaker 02

  But it means they would have to skip past the Speaker if something happened.

• 1:52:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, it would go to somebody else.

• 1:52:57Speaker 02

  So he could run for Congress, be Speaker, he could be whatever. So, but to come back to your question, yes, Muslim governor, I think, hopefully very soon.

• 1:53:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:03Speaker 02

  Inshallah, as Joe Biden might say. Um, and president?

• 1:53:07Patrick Bet-David?

  President?

• 1:53:08Speaker 02

  President, I don't think for a while. Look, let's first get a woman president. This country is so behind the rest of the world. We haven't had a woman leader. Pakistan's had a woman leader. Bangladesh has had a woman leader. Most European countries have had a woman leader. America still needs to do that basic thing.

• 1:53:21Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you, uh, your thoughts on, you know, a lot of people in America, you got things that's happened in Texas with that one, uh, city, what is it called?

• 1:53:29Speaker 02

  Epic city.

• 1:53:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Epic city or something like that in Plano, Texas?

• 1:53:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:32Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you say to some conservatives that are worried about Sharia law making it into America?

• 1:53:38Speaker 02

  I would say, please do not worry. You're being lied to, you're being gaslit, you're being distracted. Uh, this is a fake moral panic that's been blown up.

• 1:53:45Patrick Bet-David?

  It'll never happen or because Sharia law is not that bad?

• 1:53:48Speaker 02

  Because it's not, two different things. One, number one, Sharia law is not what you think it is, but that we can part that for discussion for a moment. I'll come to that. It's not happening. There's nobody I know who's pushing Sharia law in this country. It's completely fake and it's being pushed in ridiculous places, not just Texas, Oklahoma, Indiana. Did you see the Lieutenant Governor of Indiana said recently, we need to hate Islam. It's a demonic religion, right? And I'm gonna fight radical Islam and Sharia. How many, do you know what the population of Muslim population of Indiana is? Less than 1%? Like, this is ridiculous fear mongering.

• 1:54:15Patrick Bet-David?

  It has 3X the US, I think, in the last 26 years, if I'm not mistaken. Muslim population, not Indiana.

• 1:54:21Speaker 02

  But it's even nationwide, what is it? 1 to 2%?

• 1:54:23Patrick Bet-David?

  I want to say 4.5 million.

• 1:54:25Speaker 02

  It's one, which is, which is one.

• 1:54:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, you're right. It's 1 to 2%. But by the way, it's, I mean, you're... 3X and then 26 years. It's not like you're not doing a good job, you're growing.

• 1:54:32Speaker 02

  We're growing. Elon Musk wants people to have more kids. But my point being is, it's not gonna happen. But also, well, a few things. Number one, please let's not talk in this demonizing way about Muslim communities being a threat to you, because it has real world consequences. We just saw in San Diego, a mosque was attacked by two Nazi teenagers, who shot and killed three people, including the security guard, who had eight kids. Police say he was a hero, saved 100 kids in that mosque, in the school, right? Murdered by two guys. Did you read their manifesto? I don't like reading these shooters' manifestos.

• 1:55:01Patrick Bet-David?

  I read the whole thing.

• 1:55:01Speaker 02

  Some of the lines in there are crazy. They say, you know what they say?

• 1:55:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Towards everybody.

• 1:55:04Speaker 02

  You know, towards everybody, Jews, women, Muslims, gay. But the line about Muslims is really scary, because they say, "We don't hate Muslims, we hate Islam, we hate the invasion of our country." That is rhetoric that you hear on right-wing media. That is rhetoric that you hear in the House of Representatives. That is what you hear from Randy Fine, that is what you hear from Republicans, that is what you hear in America. So that is not just some Nazi shooter. That is mainstream rhetoric that has been mainstreamed on the right, and it has real world consequences. If you say, and I've seen some of your shows, you've talked about Muslims praying in Times Square, that being some kind of threat. I would say, just have a sense of what the real world consequences of our rhetoric can be. Words have consequences. Crazy people out there can pick up weapons and think Muslims are coming to take over my country.

• 1:55:49Patrick Bet-David?

  I would tell you, I've interviewed a lot of weird people on my podcast, a lot. You tell them I'll have them on. I don't have a problem talking to anybody. I had a great conversation with Wes Moore, what was it, five weeks ago? I've had Mobsters on, Sammy the Bull, I've had Kobe on, I've had, you know, many different people on. You know what's the only one that brought so many death threats? Bibi was the only one. I've had a lot of people on, multiple presidents. We did a podcast with Bibi. I've never told this story publicly, so they'll know. It was... It was on my birthday and I come out of the podcast. My security says, there's a guy in the front lobby that just got caught with cops with grenades.

• 1:56:31Patrick Bet-David?

  I said, this is a terrible joke here because everybody always tried to prank me for my birthday and I always catch people like they're trying to surprise me. I'm like, listen, this is not the right way to do it. He says, I'm not laughing. This is an 18 Delta guy. And I said, really? He says, yeah, look at the front gate. So I go to the front gate, I'm looking, I'm like, wait a minute, what is that? Cops everywhere. Guy shows up, I'll show you the pictures afterwards. With grenades, with weapons, with guns that came in here. And the number of death threats that we started getting afterwards, insanity, just for having Bibi.

• 1:57:00Speaker 02

  Dare I ask, what was the guy's background? Do we know?

• 1:57:03Patrick Bet-David?

  I couldn't tell you. I know he went away, I know he took, they took his weapons away. Uh, I'll show you a couple texts and emails.

• 1:57:10Speaker 02

  Was he, was he quote unquote far right? Was he quote unquote Islamist? Do we know what his dynasty was?

• 1:57:14Patrick Bet-David?

  I have no idea.

• 1:57:14Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:57:14Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know that, I have, I have no idea what that was. But the point is.

• 1:57:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:57:18Patrick Bet-David?

  The threats started increasing only after Bibi. So here's the part, when you say that, I think that applies to both sides.

• 1:57:25Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 1:57:26Patrick Bet-David?

  If you, if you think about like who in the history of America has had more assassination attempts as a president? Where do you think that's coming from? He's a fascist, Hitler, this, that.

• 1:57:35Speaker 02

  But he, he deals it out. He's the one who started the threats and the violence.

• 1:57:38Patrick Bet-David?

  I, I don't, I'm not going to sit here and apologize for him.

• 1:57:42Speaker 02

  He calls his opponents Nazis.

• 1:57:43Patrick Bet-David?

  He called, he's called a lot of people a lot of things.

• 1:57:45Speaker 02

  He called Biden a Nazi.

• 1:57:46Patrick Bet-David?

  But dude, the guys, after how many times they called him, he couldn't get anything right. When he was coming up, the media was.

• 1:57:51Speaker 02

  Come on, in 2016, he suggested the second amendment, people should take care of Hillary Clinton. Come on, I have a longer memory. But let me come back to what I was saying. I agree with you. We need it across the board. I'm not, I don't think we should have political violence. I don't support political violence on any end. I don't justify going after capitalists or anyone else. I'm against violence. So I'm saying to you, for example, you did a show recently, or not recently, I looked it up because I knew we were going to talk about Islam here. You have a show on YouTube called Islam's Hidden Threat to the West. You have another headline, will Muslims run America in 30 years? Now, I know you like to host good faith discussions and debates. But you have to understand, if people get this in their feeds and their social media all the time. Are you telling me that people are not going to start? If they hear Micah Beckwith of Indiana said Islam is a demonic religion. And then they hear guests on your show saying Islam's a threat to the West. And they hear Randy Fine saying Sharia law's taking over America.

• 1:58:36Speaker 02

  You don't think two Nazi teenagers with guns are gonna go, well, I'm gonna go deal with this mosque down my street? You're telling me there's no link between that?

• 1:58:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, no, I'm not gonna say there's no link between that, of course.

• 1:58:45Speaker 02

  We have to be careful, let's not, we know that demonizing minority communities, look what happened to synagogues. And I would say the same thing about the Jewish community. We have to be careful about our criticism of Israel, so it doesn't lead to attacks on Jews.

• 1:58:54Patrick Bet-David?

  The question becomes, for me, it's all on data. Meaning, if you live in my community, you make it safer, I'm all for it.

• 1:59:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:59:03Patrick Bet-David?

  If you come and you create jobs, I'm all for it. If you come and you assimilate, you love America, I'm all for it. If you come in, you don't contribute, you take advantage of the programs that we have. You don't wanna create jobs, where is the incentive? Why are we bringing it?

• 1:59:17Speaker 02

  That's a different argument. We can have that, it is, I'm talking about, I'm talking about incitement. When you say Muslims are they gonna run America in thirty years? Of course not, we're a tiny, we're one percent of the population. When you say Islam is a threat to the West. Oh, come on, one percent of the population.

• 1:59:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Twenty fifty you guys are gonna be the biggest population in the world, you guys make two point nine.

• 1:59:33Speaker 02

  But not in America, not in America, okay? We're not even gonna be, we're not even, pull up the numbers, Rob, what are we gonna be in twenty fifty?

• 1:59:39Patrick Bet-David?

  The difference between you and I is, I think, long term.

• 1:59:42Speaker 02

  And even if, by the way, if we do grow as a community, even that, this is, I'm sorry to go back to World War II and the Nazis. But look at the rhetoric that Nazis used about Jews in nineteen twenties, thirties. These people are aliens, they are parasites, they're leeching off our state. The rhetoric is, no, it's very similar. When I listen to Andy Ogles, and I listen to Chip Roy, and I listen to Rand.

• 2:00:00Patrick Bet-David?

  You think Ilhan Omar loves America?

• 2:00:02Speaker 02

  Yes, you know how, you know how I know she loves America?

• 2:00:03Patrick Bet-David?

  You think Ilhan Omar loves America?

• 2:00:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, you don't?

• 2:00:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Absolutely not.

• 2:00:06Speaker 02

  She absolutely loves America. You know how I know she loves America?

• 2:00:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me.

• 2:00:09Speaker 02

  Because she came to America, she decided to run for office. When she ran for office, she ran as a lefty who devotes her life to trying to improve people's lives. She wants healthcare for everyone. She wants healthcare for every Trump voter watching this show.

• 2:00:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Saying she is eventually gonna return to her country and contribute to her country. She's only doing this to advance her country.

• 2:00:27Speaker 02

  This is bullshit. Ilhan Omar.

• 2:00:28Patrick Bet-David?

  You can, it's her words, pull up the video.

• 2:00:30Speaker 02

  Listen to me, listen to me.

• 2:00:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Pull up her video, it's her words, you just, I just, I just, any of like, I've never seen that video.

• 2:00:35Speaker 02

  Let me say this to you.

• 2:00:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Go ahead.

• 2:00:36Speaker 02

  Donald Trump has made more anti-American remarks than Ilhan Omar. If we're gonna go down, who loves America? She loves it more than. than Trump does. She didn't insider insurrection.

• 2:00:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Ilhan Omar loves more.

• 2:00:43Speaker 02

  Hundred times more, hundred times more.

• 2:00:45Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm so glad the audience can see that Ilhan Omar loves America more than Trump.

• 2:00:50Speaker 02

  Well, one person incited attack on our democracy, one didn't. One tried to undermine American democracy, one didn't.

• 2:00:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Well.

• 2:00:55Speaker 02

  Uh, one tried, one pardoned sixteen hundred people who attacked America, one didn't.

• 2:00:59Patrick Bet-David?

  What happened with her finances? Where did the thirty million dollar net worth come from out of nowhere?

• 2:01:02Speaker 02

  So now.

• 2:01:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, it was, it was an accounting error. I'm so sorry. It was an accounting error.

• 2:01:05Speaker 02

  Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

• 2:01:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Stay on Ilhan. Don't go Trump but Trump.

• 2:01:07Speaker 02

  I am gonna do that.

• 2:01:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Go do the but Trump.

• 2:01:09Speaker 02

  Your argument now is if you're, first of all, I don't want to get into rights and wrongs of politicians finances. You're telling me Republican congressmen are not corrupt?

• 2:01:15Patrick Bet-David?

  You're doing a but, okay, guys.

• 2:01:16Speaker 02

  No, I'm just wondering.

• 2:01:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Forgive Ilhan, it's not a big deal. It's just like you have this wine.

• 2:01:19Speaker 02

  No, no, because.

• 2:01:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Ilhan Omar amended a congressional financial.

• 2:01:22Speaker 02

  What's that got to do with beloved America? You're telling me, you're telling me if people's finances don't have a, Donald Trump is the most corrupt politician in modern American history. You just said he loves America.

• 2:01:29Patrick Bet-David?

  You, wait, wait, you're saying.

• 2:01:30Speaker 02

  Donald Trump is the most corrupt politician in America. Did you deny that?

• 2:01:32Patrick Bet-David?

  That's your opinion, guy.

• 2:01:33Speaker 02

  He just made three billion. No, it's not.

• 2:01:34Patrick Bet-David?

  In your eyes.

• 2:01:35Speaker 02

  Rob, pull up the numbers. How much, pull up the numbers, Rob. Forbes magazine. How much money did Donald Trump's net worth go up by last year?

• 2:01:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me ask.

• 2:01:40Speaker 02

  Three billion dollars.

• 2:01:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Just out of curiosity.

• 2:01:42Speaker 02

  Three billion. How did he make that while president?

• 2:01:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you gonna, are you gonna go and.

• 2:01:44Speaker 02

  How did he make three billion while president?

• 2:01:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you gonna go, are you gonna go and show the same? Wait a minute, if you're gonna allow me to rebuttal.

• 2:01:51Speaker 02

  You always rebut with a question. We've noticed that over two hours.

• 2:01:54Patrick Bet-David?

  All you do is yeah but, yeah but, yeah but.

• 2:01:55Speaker 02

  I answered. I said Ilhan loves America.

• 2:01:56Patrick Bet-David?

  You're a professional yeah but guy.

• 2:01:57Speaker 02

  I said Ilhan loves America.

• 2:01:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Ju- ju- just out of curiosity.

• 2:02:00Speaker 02

  You're the jumper on guy. We were talking about who loves America. Now we're talking about politicians' finances.

• 2:02:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you also, are you, are you also gonna go?

• 2:02:05Speaker 02

  Look at that line, Patrick. Look at that line. Rob is good.

• 2:02:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Can I show you something?

• 2:02:08Speaker 02

  You know, you said capitalists expand, Rob, if you're ever looking for a job, my friend.

• 2:02:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, everybody's been trying. So if you go back here, then what's your argument if you say, look how, no, no, stay on that, Rob, stay on that.

• 2:02:18Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:02:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Then what do you say? His first presidency, he lost so much money. Did you ever say that? You never said that. Cause that doesn't, uh, add to your argument.

• 2:02:25Speaker 02

  But this is, no, I've always said the second term is the term where he's got no guardrails. He gets to do whatever he wants.

• 2:02:28Patrick Bet-David?

  No, but his first term, he lost money.

• 2:02:31Speaker 02

  Okay, but the second term?

• 2:02:32Patrick Bet-David?

  What about a second term? Market's gone up. He's made money. Markets gone up. Have you made more money in the last eighteen months with your investments?

• 2:02:39Speaker 02

  Do you know what happened on January nineteenth? The day before he became president, inaugurated?

• 2:02:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me.

• 2:02:42Speaker 02

  The Emiratis put five hundred million dollars into his crypto fund. You think that was the market going up? They gave a half a billion dollar bribe to Donald Trump. Hundred eighty-seven million went straight into Trump bank accounts. Ilhan Omar can work for the rest of her life, do whatever she'll never make a hundred eighty-seven million dollars. Trump made that in one day from the Emiratis. If Biden or Hunter Biden had done it, you'd be up in arms. Now, back to the topic of who loves America.

• 2:03:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Ilhan Omar loves more than... I'm so glad you're gonna be Judge Quolet for that.

• 2:03:06Speaker 02

  Please, please quote me. Let me finish the quote.

• 2:03:08Patrick Bet-David?

  And then let's go back to Islam.

• 2:03:08Speaker 02

  Let's finish the quote. I will. Ilhan Omar has spent her political career trying to get free lunches for every American child, including the children of MAGA voters. Donald Trump has spent his presidency taking away Medicare, taking away healthcare from people, taking Medicaid away from people. So yes, Ilhan Omar loves Americans more than Donald Trump loves Americans. By the way, when she was threatened by a Trump supporter who tried to kill her, he went to prison, tried to kill Ilhan Omar in twenty nineteen. She went to the sentencing and she asked for his sentence to be reduced, to give him grace. I can't imagine Donald Trump doing that. So I do think Ilhan Omar is someone who has actually a very good role model for America.

• 2:03:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you know how many endless...

• 2:03:41Speaker 02

  I wouldn't have done that.

• 2:03:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you know how many endless stories there are of what Trump's done behind closed doors for people? Do you know how many?

• 2:03:47Speaker 02

  Yes. And do you know how many of them are... Do you know how many of them are him screwing people over? Do you know what he did to his niece? Do you know what he did to a baby and his family and his father?

• 2:03:53Patrick Bet-David?

  This is your hit piece, just going on him right now?

• 2:03:55Speaker 02

  I mean, you're doing positive, I'm doing negative, isn't that the point?

• 2:03:58Patrick Bet-David?

  You're building up men, you're building up Ilhan. Like if there's anybody...

• 2:04:02Speaker 02

  There's no comparison.

• 2:04:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Is there...

• 2:04:03Speaker 02

  Anyone who knows Ilhan Omar says she's a good person, all of her friends, Donald Trump's people. Everyone who knows Donald Trump says he's a horrible person.

• 2:04:09Patrick Bet-David?

  What is the investigation into her right now?

• 2:04:10Speaker 02

  Why did no one in Donald Trump's cabinet endorse Donald Trump for president, second time around?

• 2:04:13Patrick Bet-David?

  What is the investigation right now?

• 2:04:14Speaker 02

  Why did his vice president not endorse him for president?

• 2:04:16Patrick Bet-David?

  You know how he is, though. He is a guy that... He's a team of rivals.

• 2:04:20Speaker 02

  They hate him, everyone. Everyone. He's national security advisor, he's chief of staff.

• 2:04:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Why did they come back?

• 2:04:25Speaker 02

  Because the Democrats fucked everything up. Joe Biden, Merrick Garland fucked everything up. He should have been in prison.

• 2:04:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Whose fault is that?

• 2:04:31Speaker 02

  The Democrats.

• 2:04:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Beautiful.

• 2:04:32Speaker 02

  I'm agreeing with you.

• 2:04:33Patrick Bet-David?

  How come you...

• 2:04:34Speaker 02

  Merrick Garland, I blame two people for Donald Trump.

• 2:04:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Unified Republicans.

• 2:04:36Speaker 02

  I blame two people for Donald Trump. Merrick Garland and Mitch McConnell. Mitch McConnell should have voted to convict in twenty twenty-one to prevent him from ever... America Garland should have got off his ass and investigated him from day one and not outsourced it to Jack Smith with one year to go. And back to, I just do want to come back to the Islam question.

• 2:04:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's do it.

• 2:04:54Speaker 02

  Muslims love America who live here, ninety, uh, according to, uh, the polls, according to the Pew polls, ninety-two percent of Muslims in America say they love being American.

• 2:05:03Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't, I don't.

• 2:05:03Speaker 02

  So, so this is a myth that Muslims don't love America.

• 2:05:06Patrick Bet-David?

  No, I don't sit there. I have Muslims who work for me. Right afterwards, come with me. I'll take them to them if you want to meet them.

• 2:05:11Speaker 02

  So my, my point is, and their families are worried for their safety right now. Every Muslim in America I know.

• 2:05:16Patrick Bet-David?

  They are. I think they feel the safest in America.

• 2:05:18Speaker 02

  Let's talk to you guys afterwards.

• 2:05:19Patrick Bet-David?

  They feel the safest in America.

• 2:05:21Speaker 02

  Every Muslim I know, Patrick, trust me on this, I spend a lot of time with Muslims. Every Muslim I know is worried about what they're gonna do, have a plan B. Where are you gonna go? Where are you gonna go live if it becomes intolerable?

• 2:05:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Go ahead and leave America. How come they don't?

• 2:05:30Speaker 02

  Because they love America.

• 2:05:31Patrick Bet-David?

  That's the point. They feel the safest here.

• 2:05:33Speaker 02

  No, but what if, but what if, but it's changing, right?

• 2:05:35Patrick Bet-David?

  But if, but if, but if.

• 2:05:37Speaker 02

  You don't think?

• 2:05:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Twelve years to go, but if.

• 2:05:38Speaker 02

  Jews feel the same way, Patrick. You know that, right?

• 2:05:40Patrick Bet-David?

  To do what?

• 2:05:40Speaker 02

  Jewish communities right now saying we don't feel safe in America. You know this. They're saying it every day. They're saying where synagogues are being attacked, we're being demonized. So Muslims feel the same way. Especially when a mosque is attacked by two Nazis, Republicans can't even bring themselves to condemn it. Do you know that Ted Cruz wouldn't even condemn it until I called him out on social media? You did, I talked about Republican Congress.

• 2:05:57Patrick Bet-David?

  I can't speak on their behalf, buddy. I'm not them.

• 2:05:59Speaker 02

  No, good.

• 2:06:00Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm speaking on my behalf. Whatever they do is their position.

• 2:06:02Speaker 02

  But on your show too, Patrick, come on, you did a whole thing, I watched it, of you obsessing over this Times Square prayer, like this is some act of domination. Why are Muslims not allowed to pray in Times Square? Why, why are Jews allowed to do Hanukkah? Why is Jews allowed to do Hanukkah? Hindus do diva.

• 2:06:15Patrick Bet-David?

  You know what my argument is against that?

• 2:06:16Speaker 02

  Catholics do Easter.

• 2:06:17Patrick Bet-David?

  You know what my argument is against that? Guess what my argument is against that? You, you ready?

• 2:06:20Speaker 02

  Go on.

• 2:06:20Patrick Bet-David?

  It's gonna go back to something you don't like.

• 2:06:22Speaker 02

  Please.

• 2:06:23Patrick Bet-David?

  You ready?

• 2:06:23Speaker 02

  Go on.

• 2:06:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Here we go. If Muslims do a better job expanding, they deserve everything they get.

• 2:06:30Speaker 02

  But it's not expanding, it's just the prayer in Times Square.

• 2:06:31Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, it is though. If, if, no, no, it is though. If Muslims, I'm a capitalist to the core, meaning, if you beat me, guess what I do? You gotta tip your hat. I don't know if you follow basketball or not.

• 2:06:43Speaker 02

  What if people aren't trying to be, what if they just wanna pray in Ramadan?

• 2:06:45Patrick Bet-David?

  No, but they're visual. You wanna go watch how many of the videos like, "Long time, we're gonna come America." Sure, here's where we're gonna be.

• 2:06:49Speaker 02

  Have you seen the Christian prayers at the National Mall? They're not the same?

• 2:06:52Patrick Bet-David?

  No, you cannot.

• 2:06:53Speaker 02

  Have you seen, are you, can you believe that?

• 2:06:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Can I ask you a question?

• 2:06:55Speaker 02

  Did you watch?

• 2:06:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Can I ask you a question?

• 2:06:56Speaker 02

  Patrick, you need to get out more. You're on the right-wing algorithms too much. You watch Ilhan Omar videos and Times Square videos all day long.

• 2:07:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you know at one point, I was sitting down with Muslims, trying to find out what things we have in common? Okay, and literally, I was bringing Muslims to sit down and talk about it. You know why? Because to me, the LGBTQ specifically on the T-SAT was getting a little too far. And I think, deep down inside to the core, you're there, but you know you can't say it publicly because it's politics for you over what your religion believes in, as a Muslim. What is the Muslim position on LGBTQ?

• 2:07:26Speaker 02

  There is no one position. Islam is not a monolith, but yes, in general.

• 2:07:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, let me read it to you.

• 2:07:29Speaker 02

  Hold on, let me, let me finish.

• 2:07:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Go for it.

• 2:07:31Speaker 02

  Islam in general, obviously, Islam, I'm not an Islamic scholar, but Islam as traditionally practiced, like Christianity and Judaism as traditionally practiced, is very hostile to the idea of homosexuality, theologically.

• 2:07:42Patrick Bet-David?

  We have that in common.

• 2:07:43Speaker 02

  Let me finish.

• 2:07:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 2:07:44Speaker 02

  Pew polling, let me give you some polls, because you keep talking about Americans this and that. So in 2017, Pew did a poll of Americans, of Americans, and they found that Muslim Americans were more likely to say, 52%, I think it was, of Muslim Americans said that homosexuality should be accepted in society. You know how many white evangelical Protestants said that? 34%. 34%.

• 2:08:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Protestants was 34%.

• 2:08:06Speaker 02

  34%.

• 2:08:07Patrick Bet-David?

  I have that data.

• 2:08:07Speaker 02

  So Muslims were more accepting of homosexuality. Rob, I love you, Rob. They were more accepting of homosexuality than white Christian evangelicals, right? So my question then is, when you talk about integration, assimilation, America is a liberal country, it's a pro-gay country, whether you like it or not. Muslims, and by the way, we ran a poll, we ran a poll this year, one last point, Patrick. We ran a poll earlier this year at Zeteo from Opinion. They polled Muslims in the UK and the US. Guess what they found? Muslims in the UK and Muslims in the US support democracy more than non-Muslim Americans and non-Muslim Britons. Muslims in America and Britain support gender equality more than non-Muslim Britons in America.

• 2:08:41Patrick Bet-David?

  May I read you something?

• 2:08:41Speaker 02

  So for your viewers, I just wanna make clear, you've been lied to about Muslim attitudes. I'm giving you the numbers.

• 2:08:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, but let me ask you, what was your position a few years ago on homosexuality?

• 2:08:48Speaker 02

  My position when growing up was... Very hostile.

• 2:08:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Very.

• 2:08:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:08:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Conservative, not hostile, probably very conservative.

• 2:08:53Speaker 02

  It was hostile.

• 2:08:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, it was conservative.

• 2:08:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:08:55Patrick Bet-David?

  So if I go to some of the-

• 2:08:56Speaker 02

  And I've talked about how I've evolved on that.

• 2:08:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so if I go to some of the countries with homosexuality, ten countries, homosexuality is a legal punishment in at least death penalties, legal punishment in ten countries. Afghanistan, Saudi, Iran, Pakistan, Yemen, Qatar, Somalia.

• 2:09:13Speaker 02

  What's the point?

• 2:09:14Patrick Bet-David?

  UAE, Nigeria, these are, these are, this is where they're coming from. Okay, Iran and Saudi, the only two national confirmed to have carried out government sanctioned executions-

• 2:09:23Speaker 02

  Horrific.

• 2:09:23Patrick Bet-David?

  For that, horrific.

• 2:09:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:09:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Not one Shia majority nation is for same-sex marriage. Iran criminalizes Iraq-

• 2:09:30Speaker 02

  And yet Muslim Americans are.

• 2:09:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Well-

• 2:09:32Speaker 02

  Interestingly.

• 2:09:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Not at the highest percentages you- No, no, not at the highest percentage as you think. I think the part where-

• 2:09:37Speaker 02

  More than most white Republicans.

• 2:09:38Patrick Bet-David?

  The part where conservatives and Muslims, if you ask me, on why that Muslim vote went from twenty-four percent to thirty-one percent for Trump is because liberals got so caught in this LGBTQ community-

• 2:09:53Speaker 02

  I think it's part of it.

• 2:09:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me finish the thought, that I brought them here to sit down and talk and say, "Look, you have two daughters?" "I have two daughters, I have two sons, we have four kids." For me, this isn't a position of LGBTQ community or not. I don't have a problem with it. They work for me. I will literally take you to my office right now to meet some of these guys and give you a tour myself, so you meet some of my staff that I have. It's about the force that was down the throat of kids. It was forcing that we have to sit there and hear what LGBTQ is all about and all this stuff being taught.

• 2:10:24Speaker 03

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• 2:11:23Speaker 02

  I'm not debating that that had an impact. It had an impact, by the way, on Latino communities, too.

• 2:11:27Patrick Bet-David?

  It did. And they weren't conservative. They don't like that.

• 2:11:30Speaker 02

  But by the way, so two things. One, I'm not denying that. I'm the one who brought it up and said it was partly LGBTQ. But it wasn't the big driver. The big driver was Gaza, right? And number two...

• 2:11:38Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, just respectfully, we're gonna find out if you're right or I'm right in 2028.

• 2:11:42Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 2:11:43Patrick Bet-David?

  You understand what I'm saying?

• 2:11:44Speaker 02

  But right now, what's interesting is, as of right now, 2026, Trump has totally destroyed that coalition. He had a lot of Muslim support, not anymore. He had a lot of Latino support, it's collapsed. I know, we'll see if it's the same. Well, we'll also know in the midterms, but yes, that coalition he seemed to have built, that scary coalition, for those of us on the left, he's his own worst enemy, Donald Trump. With ICE, he destroyed his Latino support. With Iran, he supported a lot of it, and Israeli supported, he's destroyed a lot of his Muslim support. But I would make a wider point, which is, at the end of the day, and I say this to Muslim communities, you can't vote based just on religion or just on foreign policy. You cannot be single issue voters. As a Muslim American, you need to care about everything in America. You need to care about the economy, you need to care about healthcare. And I think most Muslim Americans do, and I think they make decisions.

• 2:12:26Speaker 02

  By the way, the big reason the Republican Party will not win over Muslims or Arab Americans in their numbers is because of the racism, Patrick, fundamentally.

• 2:12:33Patrick Bet-David?

  That racism is BS.

• 2:12:34Speaker 02

  What? You don't think Randy Fines is a racist?

• 2:12:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Randy Fines is not my guy.

• 2:12:38Speaker 02

  But he's a Republican in Florida.

• 2:12:39Patrick Bet-David?

  No, he's, to me, is...

• 2:12:40Speaker 02

  You don't think Donald Trump is a racist?

• 2:12:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Not at all.

• 2:12:42Speaker 02

  When he says to Rashida Tlaib, "You should go back to where you came from."

• 2:12:44Patrick Bet-David?

  If you don't like America, go back.

• 2:12:46Speaker 02

  She's born and raised in Michigan. That's racist, Patrick. When I grew up, you tell someone to go back to where they came from, you start a fight.

• 2:12:52Patrick Bet-David?

  If you don't, if, listen, we're both from the...

• 2:12:55Speaker 02

  He calls Somalia's garbage. That's racist.

• 2:12:58Patrick Bet-David?

  You live in UK, I've lived in Middle East, but we're both from the same area, region. We are what a lot of, if we walked in the streets and said we don't have a name, they will look at us in maybe a different way than they do the average guy. You're not a white guy, I'm not a white guy. Okay. When you're talking about all this stuff, you said Muslim, people coming in here. I'll tell you another thing that is a concern of mine. I want to know what you're going to say about this. When it comes down to age for marriage in some of these countries, give you a rebuttal. I'm curious. So if a person comes from a country where like in Sudan, the minimum age for marriage is 10 years old. Are you for that? I don't think you are. In Iran, the legal age for marriage is 13 years old.

• 2:13:37Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:13:38Patrick Bet-David?

  As young as nine with parental consent. Are you for that? I'm certain you're not, okay? And I'm not saying you're taking these positions. Yemen, no legal minimum weight.

• 2:13:47Speaker 02

  I don't know where you're going.

• 2:13:48Patrick Bet-David?

  I'll ask you the question. Yemen, no legal minimum age. One-third of women 20 to 24 marry before 18 years old. Iraq parliament in 2024 moved to allow age girls to marry as young as nine years old under Jafari school law. Pakistan, 1.9 million child brides in Pakistan, sixth highest in the world, okay? By the way, the good news with that, I want to give that credit as well. Islamabad capital territory just changed the minimum age to 18. Good for them. They're making progress. Nigeria, over 50% of girls married before the age of 15. This is the question. Culturally, if you're coming from this environment to America, notice I didn't say every other country that's coming from Muslim. If you're coming from that culture to America, does that coincide?

• 2:14:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Because if you've lived there for 30, 40 years and these are the values you've lived with.

• 2:14:39Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:14:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Then you're coming here, there's a clash with the Western ideology. What do you say to that?

• 2:14:43Speaker 02

  I will say two things. Number one, all of the social sciences show that when people move to a country within a generation, max two, they do assimilate to local values and I just gave you the numbers for it. Muslims in America and Britain who come from dictatorships support democracy more than non-Muslim Americans in Britain. The percentages are there. American Muslims are more open to homosexuality and the acceptability of homosexuality having lived in the US than white Christian evangelical Protestants. So the data shows that within generations, they do not, you know, they do adapt or assimilate, integrate, whatever word. These are all loaded phrases. And by the way, Europe and America, different by the way, don't forget. Europe is a very secular place. So when you're moving there, it's actually very different. America is actually more hospitable to Muslims coming from those places.

• 2:15:28Speaker 02

  Because we are still very much a Christian country with very conservative attitudes. It's funny, Rob's on duty, I hope, still. I got a request for Rob here. You mentioned, you're giving me these child bride ages. Rob, pull up American states. How many of the states in America had child marriages until very recently? What's the age of consent? What's the lowest age of consent in American states till very recently? So when you're already at thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, until very recently, American states, that's now. You can see there are states that until very recently was twelve, thirteen, fourteen. So America maybe doesn't get to give so many lessons on some of these things. And by the way, what is the biggest scandal in this country right now? It's the pedophile who was protected by the President of the United States. Donald Trump not just protected Jeffrey Epstein after lying and saying he would expose.

• 2:16:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Places I can go with that, but I won't.

• 2:16:11Speaker 02

  He also gave Ghislaine Maxwell a soft ride in prison. He also was going to appoint Matt Gaetz, a man who was accused by the House Ethics Committee of sleeping with a seventeen year old. He was going to make him a attorney general. So please don't give lessons to other people right now about ages of consent. Not you personally, but anyone in America, let's clean up our own house first.

• 2:16:29Patrick Bet-David?

  The question isn't about cleaning up our stuff. God knows we have a lot of stuff to do. FYI, when people start talking about Epstein, I can guarantee you no conservative podcaster has spoken about Epstein more than us. I guarantee, just so you know, we're not one that they sit there and say, hey, we love, because they're not going to talk about Epstein. Go online on YouTube when you leave here to just gain the credibility.

• 2:16:50Speaker 02

  You're talking about cultural clashes. That's the point you're making. There's a clash of cultures. I'm saying there's not.

• 2:16:54Patrick Bet-David?

  You and I are sitting here, we're talking. Can you and I coexist?

• 2:16:57Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:16:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you think you and I can live in the same community?

• 2:16:59Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:17:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you think you and I can live in the same?

• 2:17:01Speaker 02

  I mean, you live in a much bigger house on a richer street.

• 2:17:03Patrick Bet-David?

  You're a pretty rich guy, bro. You're a multimillionaire, Doug. Don't act like you're a smart timer.

• 2:17:07Speaker 02

  I read on the way here, a spectator, that you have a seventy-five grand a week house in the Hamptons. I can't get near that.

• 2:17:13Patrick Bet-David?

  You believe this stuff? This is all fake news that they tell you?

• 2:17:16Speaker 02

  You're so funny.

• 2:17:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Vinny, we have to make sure we don't post pictures this summer while we're staying there because Manny is gonna be talking shit to us.

• 2:17:23Speaker 02

  Seventy-five grand a week, well done.

• 2:17:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. Where were we at? We were talking about, okay, you and I can coexist.

• 2:17:29Speaker 02

  Yes. And my parents are from India, which has a lot of backward things going on, a lot of child marriage.

• 2:17:33Patrick Bet-David?

  You got a little bit of UK, you went to a good school, you went to Oxford.

• 2:17:36Speaker 02

  Who made the school happen? My parents, from India.

• 2:17:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Your parents?

• 2:17:39Speaker 02

  They paid for it, they worked hard for it. So they were immigrants.

• 2:17:42Patrick Bet-David?

  FYI, but, okay.

• 2:17:43Speaker 02

  What if Patrick Beddavid in the 1960s said my dad shouldn't come because he's from India?

• 2:17:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you want me to go to a different place? Let me take you to this next place. You ready? Okay, let me go to the next place. What, what, uh, what religious groups that come here make the most money in America?

• 2:17:58Speaker 02

  No idea.

• 2:17:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Of course you do. Hinduism, number one.

• 2:18:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:18:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Hundred sixty-six thousand dollars.

• 2:18:02Speaker 02

  That's true, yeah.

• 2:18:03Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, you know that number, yeah, great community.

• 2:18:05Speaker 02

  Now being attacked by right-wing Republicans in Texas.

• 2:18:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Not me.

• 2:18:07Speaker 02

  No, I didn't say you, I said right-wing Republicans in Texas.

• 2:18:10Patrick Bet-David?

  I know, and I have some, by the way, I have guys that are working here that say that. That's their position, but we can sit and go.

• 2:18:15Speaker 02

  That's why the Republican Party is racist and you shouldn't defend them.

• 2:18:16Patrick Bet-David?

  No, we sit and we debate because we think that's the right way to do it. Because you, your book is called what?

• 2:18:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:18:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Win the Art of Debate in Oregon. Put the link below, Rob, so if people want to go support the book, they have it. Watch this. Hinduism, one sixty-six, two hundred thousand dollars. Pretty good, contributing to society, right?

• 2:18:34Speaker 02

  I'm a great admirer of the Hindu community.

• 2:18:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Judaism, you supporting of them? Hundred fifteen thousand dollars. You think they're net positive for America?

• 2:18:40Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:18:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. Protestants, eighty-two thousand five hundred. Orthodox Christians, seventy-eight. Catholicism, seventy-four. Islam, sixty-eight, right? Atheists are eighty-five, okay? They're making eighty-five thousand dollars. And then you got, what is it? Buddhism, man, that's a bad shout-out to Buddhists. Guys, you guys gotta figure out a way to make money, guys. This is like some serious stuff, right? They pray a lot, yes. So to me, this isn't about skin color or racism. You, like, when I meet Indians in America, I gotta tell you, the ones I've met, they love America. They actually love living here.

• 2:19:14Speaker 02

  I get what you're saying, Patrick, but you, and this is a slight problem for you because you say I'm not speaking for a public Republican Party, but you are in right-wing media space, there's no debate about that.

• 2:19:21Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm not debating that.

• 2:19:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, but you're an immigrant from Iran who came in as a refugee.

• 2:19:24Patrick Bet-David?

  I have a slightly different view than they do, yeah.

• 2:19:26Speaker 02

  Exactly, exactly. You say Hinduism great, okay, go tell the Texas Republican Party, go tell conservatives in Texas.

• 2:19:31Patrick Bet-David?

  You know why?

• 2:19:31Speaker 02

  Do you know, let me finish my point. All these Hindus in Texas, well off Hindus, they supported Trump and MAGA. And guess what? They're trying to build a temple in Houston and people are protesting outside, saying, take this demonic religion outside. I'm no fan of Vivek Ramaswamy, right? I've interviewed him, we had a great clash, but I do admire him as a smart guy. He succeeded in life, he's super patriotic, he's very eloquent. He's running for governor of Ohio. Did you see the clip the other day? Guy stands up in the crowd, gripe guy, stands up, says, Hinduism is a pagan demonic religion, why should we have you leaders? This is what the Republican Party, for you to say that not a racist party, when I'm seeing what they're doing to Vivek Ramaswamy, forget Muslims. What they're doing to Hindus in Texas, what they're doing to Hindus in Ohio, this is a white supremacist party, yes. What's your definition of racism? Is nobody racist?

• 2:20:12Patrick Bet-David?

  No one, I think-

• 2:20:13Speaker 02

  What's your definition of racist, Pat?

• 2:20:14Patrick Bet-David?

  May I finish?

• 2:20:14Speaker 02

  Please.

• 2:20:15Patrick Bet-David?

  You're raising your voice, why are you screaming? I'm sitting right across from you, bro, like, let's act American, not Middle Eastern.

• 2:20:19Speaker 02

  You shouted earlier, but you have to do Middle Eastern.

• 2:20:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Fair enough, okay. So, to me, I think a part of it is, I think everybody has a little bit of bigotry in them, okay? Everybody. And I know it's gonna sound like, what are you talking about? I think everybody is a little bit against some community. By the way, it could be as simple as, you're a Red Sox fan, I'm a Yankees fan, I can't stand you, there's no way we can coexist. It could be you're from Boston, I'm from New York.

• 2:20:42Speaker 02

  Tribalism, people are tribal.

• 2:20:44Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, that's natural.

• 2:20:46Speaker 02

  Agreed.

• 2:20:46Patrick Bet-David?

  That's not like, you know, you were a kid, you were part of a gang, you're part of another gang, hey, we're gonna-

• 2:20:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, attacking a religious minority is not-

• 2:20:53Patrick Bet-David?

  So, that's that part. The other side is calling, you know, like, if there's one thing, like, I brought, uh, uh, what do you call it, Westmore that we're speaking to, and I'm like, you realize, like, for Democrats, why did they lose so much of their support during this period? Let me finish and he can argue and say we didn't. I think some of the positions they took in COVID was out of control. I think some of the positions they took, what LGBTQ, to me, was out of control. Calling everybody racist, little too much. Calling everybody a bigot, a little too much. Calling, making everybody feel like I'm a bad person.

• 2:21:26Speaker 02

  You need to read the book, my friend, these are all straw man, calling everybody a racist. I was very specific. I said Randy Fein's a racist. I said Donald Trump's a racist. I said the Republican Party's indulged racism and white supremacy. I can stand by those with receipts.

• 2:21:37Patrick Bet-David?

  That racist.

• 2:21:38Speaker 02

  If a party institutionally allows for races to take power and do racist policies, what should I call it?

• 2:21:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh my god.

• 2:21:45Speaker 02

  Okay, let me give you one. Can I give you an example?

• 2:21:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:46Speaker 02

  Okay, so right now,

• 2:21:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:48Speaker 02

  when you came to America, you came in nineteen ninety?

• 2:21:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Yep.

• 2:21:50Speaker 02

  In nineteen ninety, I checked before I came in. George Bush Senior was president?

• 2:21:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 2:21:53Speaker 02

  And he allowed in a hundred and twenty-two thousand refugees, of which four percent were from the Middle East. So you and your family, how many came from your family, if you don't mind me asking?

• 2:22:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, me, my mom, my dad, my sister, four of them.

• 2:22:03Speaker 02

  So four of you were part of-

• 2:22:04Patrick Bet-David?

  But my dad came in eighty-four, because my parents got a divorce, and then he came back in nineteen ninety separately.

• 2:22:10Speaker 02

  Okay, so three of you came on that, as vetted refugees from Germany.

• 2:22:14Patrick Bet-David?

  We went to Germany, from Germany, we came.

• 2:22:15Speaker 02

  I read it, sorry. You came in ninety-nine, so you're part of the lucky five thousand people from the Middle East.

• 2:22:19Patrick Bet-David?

  I feel like I'm the luckiest man alive living in America.

• 2:22:21Speaker 02

  And that was George Bush Senior. I'm not a man I'm fan of, but he did that. He understood the response, as did Reagan. You and Donald Trump since October has allowed in six thousand and sixty-nine refugees only, not a hundred and twenty-two thousand, only six thousand and sixty-nine, and do you know that six thousand and sixty-six, ninety-nine point nine percent of them are from white South Africa? Only three are Afghan.

• 2:22:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Dude.

• 2:22:40Speaker 02

  That's the numbers.

• 2:22:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you serious?

• 2:22:41Speaker 02

  That's a fact.

• 2:22:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, you're serious.

• 2:22:43Speaker 02

  Pull it up, Rob. Six thousand refugees, all of them are white South Africans fleeing from an imaginary genocide.

• 2:22:47Patrick Bet-David?

  The previous guy brought more people than four presidents combined.

• 2:22:51Speaker 02

  He brought in a hundred and twenty-five thousand refugees.

• 2:22:53Patrick Bet-David?

  He's trying to say, guys, time out, let's get jobs for our people a little bit.

• 2:22:56Speaker 02

  No, we're talking about refugees. Refugees are different. It's not about jobs. Refugees are your international obligation.

• 2:22:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Like you're talking H1B, green card, which one are you talking about?

• 2:23:02Speaker 02

  Refugees, vetted by, you know, the vetted program?

• 2:23:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Sure.

• 2:23:04Speaker 02

  Where you're vetted abroad, you're checked you're not a terrorist, all of that stuff. What happened to you?

• 2:23:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 2:23:08Speaker 02

  Biden did it too. He allowed a hundred and twenty-five thousand people, he upped the cap.

• 2:23:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 2:23:11Speaker 02

  Trump dropped the cap with Stephen Miller to seven and a half thousand.

• 2:23:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 2:23:14Speaker 02

  And since October, he allowed in six thousand and sixty-nine, according to the Washington Post.

• 2:23:17Patrick Bet-David?

  I want to know where you're going with this.

• 2:23:19Speaker 02

  He allowed in only three Afghans and six thousand and sixty-six white people from South Africa. The two things I would say about that. Number one, that's racist. You let in a ninety-nine point nine percent of your refugees are white people who are not refugees, and you don't allow people from Iran, Iraq, Syria. And the second point is, Donald Trump would have allowed you into this country, and yet you sit and support, you heard it from three times, Donald Trump would not have allowed little Patrick Bet-David into this country. How do you feel about that?

• 2:23:41Patrick Bet-David?

  You're so funny.

• 2:23:42Speaker 02

  A genuine question.

• 2:23:43Patrick Bet-David?

  You are so funny.

• 2:23:44Speaker 02

  It's a genuine question.

• 2:23:45Patrick Bet-David?

  He wouldn't have let little Patrick Bet-David-

• 2:23:46Speaker 02

  No, no Iranians were- allowed in this year. So how would you have gotten?

• 2:23:48Patrick Bet-David?

  You know what would have happened? We would have waited one more year, two more years.

• 2:23:51Speaker 02

  For a Democrat to come and let you in?

• 2:23:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Bush Senior let us in. He was a Republican.

• 2:23:54Speaker 02

  Okay, for a better Republican, a non racist Republican.

• 2:23:56Patrick Bet-David?

  That's not the point. The part that you have to.

• 2:23:58Speaker 02

  That is the point. He did not allow in Iranians, Iraqi.

• 2:24:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Is it fair to say issues are fluid? Things change. Meaning?

• 2:24:05Speaker 02

  No, refugees are an obligation that America has always stuck to until Donald Trump.

• 2:24:09Patrick Bet-David?

  What is an issue in 2020 maybe different than what's a top three issue in 2016 than 2012?

• 2:24:14Speaker 02

  Plenty.

• 2:24:15Patrick Bet-David?

  You're right. Guess what? What did his base want?

• 2:24:18Speaker 02

  Who cares what his base wants?

• 2:24:19Patrick Bet-David?

  That's who we voted for. That's who we.

• 2:24:21Speaker 02

  Different argument. You're moving. Why are you talking about, is he racist? I'm giving my evidence. He stopped all refugees from coming in from what he called, what did he call them? Shithole countries. Self a racist phrase. And then he allowed in white people.

• 2:24:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Would you disagree with some of these places are shithole countries?

• 2:24:33Speaker 02

  I don't think you call entire countries shit.

• 2:24:34Patrick Bet-David?

  You don't think some places are?

• 2:24:35Speaker 02

  You think generalizing about entire places?

• 2:24:37Patrick Bet-David?

  You think some places are not shithole countries?

• 2:24:39Speaker 02

  What is your definition of racism, Patrick? Cause you don't seem to think anything is racist. What do you define as racist? If you say there's no such thing as racism, fine, but be consistent.

• 2:24:45Patrick Bet-David?

  No, I don't know.

• 2:24:46Speaker 02

  But nobody's a racist.

• 2:24:47Patrick Bet-David?

  No, I don't know if, I think it's a weak argument. I think it's a weak position to say, hey, that guy doesn't like me and my race and where I'm from.

• 2:24:55Speaker 02

  But what is your definition of racism? If you don't have one, say so.

• 2:24:58Patrick Bet-David?

  To be honest with you, if you want this.

• 2:25:00Speaker 02

  I think if you call an entire country, entire people shit, garbage, low IQ, that's racist.

• 2:25:04Patrick Bet-David?

  I think every single person has an element of racism in there.

• 2:25:10Speaker 02

  That's a different.

• 2:25:11Patrick Bet-David?

  From 1% to 99%.

• 2:25:12Speaker 02

  You keep moving the goalposts.

• 2:25:13Patrick Bet-David?

  But you're asking racism. It's like not liking an ethnicity, not liking a community.

• 2:25:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, not liking an entire country.

• 2:25:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that what you're looking for?

• 2:25:19Speaker 02

  Yeah. If he says, we're going to only have white people in and not shithole country people in, that's racist. Yes, I think that's racist. If that's not racist, I don't know what is. 99.9% of refugees are white South Africans. Come on.

• 2:25:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you want to, okay, Rob, can you do me a favor?

• 2:25:29Speaker 02

  He calls all Somalis low IQ and garbage.

• 2:25:31Patrick Bet-David?

  This is the stuff that you're saying right now.

• 2:25:33Speaker 02

  It's all true.

• 2:25:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you pull up Biden's administration? Who was the guy that was the transgender that we're supposed to leave?

• 2:25:39Speaker 02

  That's what you're going to? When I quote the president, making racist remarks, you got no comeback?

• 2:25:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Wait a minute. What's the argument of DEI with you that massively failed? Are you supportive of DEI?

• 2:25:48Speaker 02

  I don't know. What's your definition of DEI?

• 2:25:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you supportive of DEI?

• 2:25:50Speaker 02

  I don't play, this is not right wing bingo. Your words mean nothing to me. I'm from outside the right wing media chamber.

• 2:25:55Patrick Bet-David?

  I talk to guys.

• 2:25:56Speaker 02

  DEI is meaningless.

• 2:25:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Guy, I talk to guys on the left wing side. Like, who do you think I talk? You think I just talk to right wing people?

• 2:26:00Speaker 02

  No, but the way you say DEI and the transgender guy from Biden and Ilhan Omar, this is like right wing bingo, Patrick.

• 2:26:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Is this a good pick?

• 2:26:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, Rachel Levine, I interviewed her on my show.

• 2:26:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Was he phenomenal at what he did?

• 2:26:10Speaker 02

  I'm sure she was very good at it.

• 2:26:11Patrick Bet-David?

  So you think he-

• 2:26:12Speaker 02

  What's that got to do with Trump being racist towards Somalis?

• 2:26:14Patrick Bet-David?

  You think-

• 2:26:15Speaker 02

  Patrick, you need to read the book.

• 2:26:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Wait a minute.

• 2:26:16Speaker 02

  Because in the book, I deal with people like you.

• 2:26:18Patrick Bet-David?

  This is what you do for a living. The difference with me is-

• 2:26:20Speaker 02

  You are deflecting.

• 2:26:21Patrick Bet-David?

  This is not deflecting, guys.

• 2:26:22Speaker 02

  Donald Trump says all Somalis are garbage, low IQ people.

• 2:26:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Allow this to come to you.

• 2:26:27Speaker 02

  I'm not talking about Rachel Levine.

• 2:26:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you think? Do you think-

• 2:26:30Speaker 02

  I'm not answering your question to be honest with mine.

• 2:26:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you think this person was hired because they were the best person for a job or because he was playing politics?

• 2:26:35Speaker 02

  Well, Rob, can-

• 2:26:36Patrick Bet-David?

  That's a form of racism.

• 2:26:37Speaker 02

  Rob, I'm gonna read the second paragraph.

• 2:26:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Go ahead.

• 2:26:39Speaker 02

  Levine is a professor of pediatrics and psychiatry at Penn State College of Medicine. Previously served as a Pennsylvania physician general. So I think Rachel Levine is more qualified to work in the health department than Robert fucking Kennedy Jr.

• 2:26:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it.

• 2:26:49Speaker 02

  Who has zero qualifications. Do you think RFK was hired for his medical qualifications?

• 2:26:52Patrick Bet-David?

  So you think, you think-

• 2:26:53Speaker 02

  No, no, Patrick, do you think RFK Jr. was hired for his medical qualifications? What do you have?

• 2:26:57Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, do you know how many people previous to him were doctors?

• 2:27:00Speaker 02

  Do you know, was RFK hired for his medical credentials? Yes or no?

• 2:27:03Patrick Bet-David?

  RFK was hired because he was making the argument-

• 2:27:05Speaker 02

  Whereas Rachel Levine is a professor of pediatrics.

• 2:27:07Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, wait a minute, but RFK-

• 2:27:08Speaker 02

  More qualified.

• 2:27:08Patrick Bet-David?

  You're saying RFK is not qualified for his job?

• 2:27:10Speaker 02

  Not to be health secretary, no.

• 2:27:10Patrick Bet-David?

  By a mile, I take-

• 2:27:12Speaker 02

  Conspiracy theorist who doesn't even understand basic medicine.

• 2:27:14Patrick Bet-David?

  You take a transgender to be this job than a-

• 2:27:16Speaker 02

  You think transgender people don't have intelligence?

• 2:27:18Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no.

• 2:27:19Speaker 02

  That a new attack on-

• 2:27:19Patrick Bet-David?

  No, see what you're doing now? But you see what you're doing now?

• 2:27:22Speaker 02

  You take a transgender person-

• 2:27:23Patrick Bet-David?

  You're playing, you're playing. See, the difference between you and I-

• 2:27:26Speaker 02

  So are you.

• 2:27:26Patrick Bet-David?

  No, I didn't go to Oxford and do debate 24/7 to see this as my life.

• 2:27:31Speaker 02

  I gave you hard evidence of Trump's racism and you said, "Rob, pull up a transgender woman." That's what happened. Everyone watched you do it.

• 2:27:38Patrick Bet-David?

  But, but-

• 2:27:38Speaker 02

  I said Trump, Latin, 99% white people. You got no response.

• 2:27:42Patrick Bet-David?

  The point is, the previous guy picked people because of color. If there is any party that's racist-

• 2:27:47Speaker 02

  I'm not even asking about that.

• 2:27:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Was the previous guy, because they kept saying-

• 2:27:50Speaker 02

  I'm not even asking about that.

• 2:27:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Black this, black that, black this. This many female, this many transgender-

• 2:27:54Speaker 02

  I'm not even asking, Trump did the same.

• 2:27:55Patrick Bet-David?

  The left is the, the, the, the party of the racist.

• 2:27:57Speaker 02

  Even if I concede that, it's irrelevant to my point that Donald Trump has blocked refugees like yourself. Patrick B. David would not have been allowed into America under Donald Trump. You would have come in illegally.

• 2:28:05Patrick Bet-David?

  I would have came here illegally.

• 2:28:06Speaker 02

  You're pro-illegal immigration.

• 2:28:07Patrick Bet-David?

  You're so funny.

• 2:28:08Speaker 02

  This is so interesting today.

• 2:28:09Patrick Bet-David?

  I would have made it here, buddy.

• 2:28:09Speaker 02

  Pat, you heard it here. You're gonna clip Ilhan Omar, clip that. Patrick B. David said if he wasn't allowed in illegally, he would come in illegally.

• 2:28:15Patrick Bet-David?

  The, the difference between you and I, this doesn't bother me. I understand the game we're playing, I understand- Stand the conversation.

• 2:28:21Speaker 02

  I'm not here for a game. I just said to you earlier, this stuff has real world consequences.

• 2:28:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, this.

• 2:28:25Speaker 02

  Three Muslims just got killed. Three Muslims just got killed.

• 2:28:28Patrick Bet-David?

  This stuff has real world consequences.

• 2:28:30Speaker 02

  In San Diego because Republican Party racist rhetoric. And do you know what? Republican Congressman couldn't even condemn it. I assume you condemn what happened in San Diego.

• 2:28:36Patrick Bet-David?

  We 100% condemned it.

• 2:28:38Speaker 02

  Do you know Republicans wouldn't do it until they were forced to do it. Brandon Gill was asked on the congressional corridor.

• 2:28:42Patrick Bet-David?

  I can't speak on their behalf.

• 2:28:43Speaker 02

  I'm not asking you to speak. I'm telling you, it's bad, right? That what they did, not condemning.

• 2:28:46Patrick Bet-David?

  But do you realize you think it's also bad that everything we had to hear in 2022 with Biden getting elected? Was about how many black female candidate leadership team we're gonna have?

• 2:28:55Speaker 02

  Diversity is a good thing.

• 2:28:55Patrick Bet-David?

  No, it's not.

• 2:28:56Speaker 02

  Yes, it is.

• 2:28:56Patrick Bet-David?

  It's based on, no, based on leadership. When he was president, we're gonna find a way to have this percent. Let me finish. This percentage of pilots gotta be female and black. And by the way, Hollywood, you wanna go to Hollywood with standards they created? Do you remember the Hollywood standards? In order to win an Oscar.

• 2:29:11Speaker 02

  That's not true. That's bullshit.

• 2:29:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you please pull that up?

• 2:29:14Speaker 02

  The whole, you're, you're just parody Elon Musk propaganda. Your part, this has been debunked a million times, a million times.

• 2:29:20Patrick Bet-David?

  What time are we at right now?

• 2:29:21Speaker 02

  And by the way, I got a flight to catch soon.

• 2:29:23Patrick Bet-David?

  That's what I'm saying.

• 2:29:23Speaker 02

  But this is an important conversation because I need you to concede that 99%, 99.9% white refugees from South Africa is a racist refugee policy.

• 2:29:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Zero, I gotta get on the flight.

• 2:29:33Speaker 02

  Not allowing people in from Afghanistan and Syria is insane.

• 2:29:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Next time you come in, don't book a flight afterwards so we can go four hours. Cause I'm enjoying the.

• 2:29:38Speaker 02

  Next time, you're coming on my show. We all heard you agree to my invitation. I mean, I hereby invite Patrick Bet-David. You can bring Rob with him. If you need support, bring Rob with you.

• 2:29:46Patrick Bet-David?

  You are so funny.

• 2:29:46Speaker 02

  But we'll have you on.

• 2:29:47Patrick Bet-David?

  We'll have a good time. Let me wrap it up with some, uh, uh, one word answers and then let's go from there. You ready?

• 2:29:52Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:29:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, uh, since you already brought him up, I'll bring it up. So I'll give you a name.

• 2:29:55Speaker 02

  Oh, Rob has just proved me right, by the way. Two of four D E I standards. You don't have to, it's not something you have to tick some boxes.

• 2:30:00Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you mean two of four D I standards?

• 2:30:02Speaker 02

  Pull up the standard.

• 2:30:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, you have to have two of four D I. They even said you have to have a underrepresented racial ethnic groups rea- And a ensemble cast of at least 30% represent from two underrepresented, some of them on disability.

• 2:30:14Speaker 02

  First of all, first of all, diversity is a good thing, especially on screen. I know you don't like that. And it's a bad word. D word is a bad word. Your people are like clutching their pearls right now.

• 2:30:23Patrick Bet-David?

  You know why you're here?

• 2:30:23Speaker 02

  All the Valuetainment viewers are clutching their pearls because Manny said diversity on the right wing podcast.

• 2:30:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you know why I'm talking to you? Do you know why I'm talking to you?

• 2:30:29Speaker 02

  Because you needed to hear from me that you wouldn't be allowed into America if Trump was president.

• 2:30:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you know why?

• 2:30:33Speaker 02

  You'd have to come in illegally.

• 2:30:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Betty, do your stick. I'll let you finish and then I'll say, do you know why I'm talking to you? Why do you think I'm talking to you?

• 2:30:39Speaker 02

  Please tell me.

• 2:30:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Because you're good at what you do.

• 2:30:40Speaker 02

  I appreciate that.

• 2:30:41Patrick Bet-David?

  That's why you're here.

• 2:30:42Speaker 02

  I appreciate that.

• 2:30:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Imagine if I said, hey, Rob, moving forward. Listen, we need three disabled, two black, four gay, five this.

• 2:30:50Speaker 02

  I know you need to tell your audience.

• 2:30:52Patrick Bet-David?

  No, I'm not doing it.

• 2:30:53Speaker 02

  In fact, the person who does that is Hexit right now. He's literally blocking black women and women from becoming generals and.

• 2:30:58Patrick Bet-David?

  You are so obsessed with Trump, just ask him for a job, bro. Just go and say, can I be part of this fricking cabinet?

• 2:31:05Speaker 02

  He wouldn't give it to you because I'm brown.

• 2:31:06Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm almost thinking, I'm almost thinking you are so obsessed, it's like, you know, these, these girls that are so in love with somebody secretly, it's like it's infatuated with them.

• 2:31:14Speaker 02

  I love that's the only argument you have.

• 2:31:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Can I go, can I, no, you lost this one, but it's okay.

• 2:31:18Speaker 02

  No, I didn't because technically you wouldn't be sitting here if Trump was president. You already agreed.

• 2:31:21Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm gonna sell your book like no one's ever sold your book.

• 2:31:24Speaker 02

  I love it.

• 2:31:24Patrick Bet-David?

  You are a great salesman. Go buy this book.

• 2:31:25Speaker 02

  I wanna say something nice about it. I'm gonna say you're a great salesman.

• 2:31:28Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, the biggest part about this thing is I am so proud, I am so proud that we converted another socialist into capitalist. That is probably the proudest moment to somebody like.

• 2:31:38Speaker 02

  I did that on my own.

• 2:31:39Patrick Bet-David?

  You did, and I give you credit. I am so proud of you that you're publicly now capitalist and you're creating jobs.

• 2:31:44Speaker 02

  You could be a capitalist, I'm a socialist.

• 2:31:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Can we do the one word answers, please? All right. Tommy Robinson.

• 2:31:51Speaker 02

  Bigot.

• 2:31:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Nigel Farage.

• 2:31:54Speaker 02

  Overrated.

• 2:31:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Sadiq Khan.

• 2:31:57Speaker 02

  Underrated.

• 2:31:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Ilhan Omar.

• 2:31:59Speaker 02

  Patriot.

• 2:32:00Patrick Bet-David?

  AOC.

• 2:32:02Speaker 02

  Presidential.

• 2:32:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Interesting. J D Vance.

• 2:32:06Speaker 02

  Fraud.

• 2:32:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Marco Rubio.

• 2:32:10Speaker 02

  Little.

• 2:32:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Little?

• 2:32:13Speaker 02

  Trump, little Marco.

• 2:32:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, I got you.

• 2:32:14Speaker 02

  I want to quote my man, Trump.

• 2:32:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, respect, respect, Newsom. Although Marco Rubio could be your president, by the way, Newsom.

• 2:32:22Speaker 02

  Slick.

• 2:32:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Interesting. Musk.

• 2:32:26Speaker 02

  Idiot.

• 2:32:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Bezos.

• 2:32:29Speaker 02

  Uh oh, spineless.

• 2:32:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Spineless?

• 2:32:32Speaker 02

  Spineless. What's the point of having fuck you money if you never say fuck you? Just rolled over for Trump.

• 2:32:36Patrick Bet-David?

  So you just want him to die?

• 2:32:37Speaker 02

  He doesn't, he doesn't like Trump. I prefer the people who love Trump. You know, I prefer the true believers. These people who just hate Trump privately but roll over for him? Can't stand him.

• 2:32:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Spencer Pratt. Pratt. Joe Rogan.

• 2:32:50Speaker 02

  Enigma.

• 2:32:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Enigma?

• 2:32:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't know what to make of him. Sometimes I'm like, interesting. Sometimes I'm what an idiot.

• 2:32:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Have you guys ever done anything?

• 2:32:55Speaker 02

  No, I've never done anything.

• 2:32:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, you would do it, though.

• 2:32:58Speaker 02

  Would I go on Joe Rogan's show? There's a time when I said 100% yes. Now, maybe. I've come on PBD.

• 2:33:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 2:33:04Speaker 02

  I want to reach new audiences.

• 2:33:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Why did you say you wouldn't go? You said to Bassam, you wouldn't go on a bunch of different platforms?

• 2:33:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, I didn't say I wouldn't.

• 2:33:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Did it change?

• 2:33:11Speaker 02

  Like Fox, I don't go on Fox. I don't go on Fox. Maybe I should change everything. I've tried to have a hygiene rule. I talk about it in the book. Maybe I've just abandoned my hygiene rule.

• 2:33:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Go everywhere. I think you should go everywhere.

• 2:33:21Speaker 02

  It's a tricky argument. There's pros and cons.

• 2:33:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you know why?

• 2:33:24Speaker 02

  There's pros and cons.

• 2:33:24Patrick Bet-David?

  What's the con?

• 2:33:25Speaker 02

  The cons are platforming people who don't deserve the legitimacy of mainstream platforms.

• 2:33:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so you're such a big deal, like we shouldn't go to all these other places because...

• 2:33:33Speaker 02

  No, like if I go on Fox, I'm basically telling people that's illegitimate news. I don't believe it's a legitimate news organization. It's a propaganda channel.

• 2:33:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Alright, okay.

• 2:33:39Speaker 02

  I don't want to be part of that.

• 2:33:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Bibi.

• 2:33:41Speaker 02

  Criminal.

• 2:33:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Biden.

• 2:33:43Speaker 02

  Criminal.

• 2:33:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Hillary Clinton.

• 2:33:48Speaker 02

  Annoying.

• 2:33:49Patrick Bet-David?

  I'll finish with that one. So we'll finish with Hillary Clinton. She got a lot of credit. Folks, this was a good conversation.

• 2:33:56Speaker 02

  Thank you for having me.

• 2:33:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Go order his book, Win the Art of Debating Every Argument.

• 2:34:02Speaker 02

  That's a horrible cover.

• 2:34:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Win every argument.

• 2:34:04Speaker 02

  I love that cover, but it can be misread. Win every argument, the art of debating, persuading, and public speaking.

• 2:34:08Patrick Bet-David?

  We'll put the link.

• 2:34:08Speaker 02

  I've even persuaded Patrick today that he needed to be an illegal immigrant to get into Trump America.

• 2:34:12Patrick Bet-David?

  I enjoyed talking to you. I appreciate you for coming out and taking the time.

• 2:34:15Speaker 02

  Thank you for having me.

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