Rhonda Byrne: This is How The Law of Attraction ACTUALLY Works!

When Rhonda Byrne was $2 million in debt and thirty days from bankruptcy, she discovered something that changed everything—not just for her, but for 34 million readers worldwide. The creator of The Secret sits down for a rare in-person conversation to reveal the mechanics of manifestation that most people get wrong. She breaks down the crucial difference between believing and knowing, shares why "acting as if" creates miracles, and explains how two underdog Olympic volleyball players used gold decorations to manifest their way to victory. If you've ever wondered whether your thoughts really create your reality, or why some people seem to effortlessly attract what they want while others struggle, this conversation will shift how you see the invisible forces shaping your life. Get your copy of The SecretPre-order Countdown to Riches: 21 Days of Wealth-Attracting HabitsThe Secret Manifestation Cards: A 65-Card Deck and GuidebookIn this episode you will:Discover why "knowing" something will happen is more powerful than believing it willLearn the "vacuum technique" that draws your desires into physical realityTransform negative thought patterns that block your manifestationsMaster the art of "acting as if" to accelerate what you wantBreak free from the patience trap that keeps your dreams at arm's lengthFor more information go to https://lewishowes.com/1826For more Greatness text PODCAST to +1 (614) 350-3960More SOG episodes we think you’ll love:Dr. Joe Dispenza – greatness.lnk.to/1809SCPrice Pritchett – greatness.lnk.to/1821SCGary Zukav – greatness.lnk.to/1773SC Get more from Lewis! Get my New York Times Bestselling book, Make Money Easy! Get The Greatness Mindset audiobook on SpotifyText Lewis AIYouTubeInstagramWebsiteTiktokFacebookX Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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• 0:03Lewis Howes?

  Welcome back everyone to the School of Greatness. Very excited about our guest. We have the inspiring Rhonda Byrne in the house. I'm so grateful that you're here.

• 0:11Rhonda Byrne?

  Thank you so much for having me here.

• 0:14Lewis Howes?

  We were just talking about this right before, that you have sold With The Secret. Almost 34 million copies are in print around the world, translated in over 50 languages. And I believe this is one of your first sit-down interviews in person since you did Oprah about 16 years ago.

• 0:35Rhonda Byrne?

  That's true.

• 0:36Lewis Howes?

  You've done a few virtual interviews. So we did one that got millions of views around the world. And you are back in person. I'm so grateful that you're here because there's definitely an energy about you in person that brings a different element. And I'm excited to talk about the things, some things that we covered in the previous interview, but even more, because you have this incredible piece of art that you've come out with called these manifestation cards, the secret manifestation cards, which are beautiful. And I want to go through a number of these today and talk about this. But you have received so much celebration over the last 16 years since The Secret came out.

• 1:20Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 1:21Lewis Howes?

  But you've also had criticism of The Secret and what this is.

• 1:26Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 1:27Lewis Howes?

  And so for people that don't know what The Secret is, and they didn't see our previous interview, and this is their first time hearing about you. And it's their first time saying, what is the law of attraction and The Secret?

• 1:38Rhonda Byrne?

  Right.

• 1:39Lewis Howes?

  Can you explain what the law of attraction and manifesting actually is in simple terms before we dive in deeper?

• 1:47Rhonda Byrne?

  Sure. It would be interesting to see what, interesting to see how I describe it now after all these years.

• 2:03Rhonda Byrne?

  Basically, every, not basically, actually, every human being is a creator.

• 2:10Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 2:12Rhonda Byrne?

  And they are creating their life. And we don't know, for many of us, we did not know that that was the case. And we are creating our life through our thoughts. So it's not that our thoughts are powerful, it's that we are powerful. And so when we focus on a thought and we really hold that focus, that thought will manifest in our life. And so we create our own life through our thoughts and through the mind. The mind, our mind is super, super, super powerful.

• 2:52Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 2:53Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 2:54Lewis Howes?

  For good or for worse?

• 2:55Rhonda Byrne?

  Yes, so for example, um, we can talk about what we want and we will manifest that, you know? And so some people, they just see the abundance in the world, you know? That's all that they see. They don't, they don't see any lack. They just see abundance and everything seems to go right for them. Everything falls into place for them. They invest in this and it skyrockets and they, they buy a house in this place and that suburb goes crazy. And it's like everything they touch turns to gold. But it's because they have the mindset that is toward wealth and abundance. And they don't have a mindset toward lack.

• 3:38Rhonda Byrne?

  And we have a lack mindset when we say things like, I'm broke, I don't have enough. Um, I don't have enough to pay my bills. And you see, whatever we say is what our life will be. And so if we are saying, I don't have enough money, then by law of attraction, we will not have enough money. We will continue to not have enough money. So what we have to do is we need to speak about what we want. And we need to talk about, for example, if it's money or if it's health or if we're not feeling really great, then we can talk about what it feels like to be really well.

• 4:21Rhonda Byrne?

  Instead of talking about not being well, right? Because if we're talking about not being well, we're attracting more of that, more of that, more of that.

• 4:29Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 4:29Rhonda Byrne?

  And so that's basically law of attraction. I mean, it is so wonderful and it's so intricate. And the more that you, the more that it becomes a part of your life, the more you see the little kind of twists and turns.

• 4:51Lewis Howes?

  Synchronicities.

• 4:52Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah, like for, for example, if, if, if you're saying, you know, I'm so overwhelmed. There's just so much going on at the moment and I can't get on top of things and I'm just overwhelmed. Guess what? Guess what's coming? More overwhelm and more, you know.

• 5:11Lewis Howes?

  So when we speak about things that are frustrating us, that are overwhelming, that are stressing us out, that we're in lack of, when we speak about them or we're constantly in a loop of thinking of those thoughts and then speaking them to ourselves or to others. What I'm hearing you say is it's going to be a lot harder to get beyond those struggles than to speak in a different way or think in a different way. Is that what I'm hearing you say?

• 5:35Rhonda Byrne?

  That's what, that's the case. And in fact, until we think differently, it won't change.

• 5:39Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 5:40Rhonda Byrne?

  It wouldn't matter all the action in the world. All the action in the world will not override a belief that we have. And usually when we speak, for example, if I'm saying, I'm so overwhelmed, so much is happening. And when we're saying, I'm so overwhelmed, we believe it, like we're saying it with conviction, right? And so the fact that we believe it, it's not going to change. We're going to keep, more things are going to come, more things are going to come.

• 6:06Lewis Howes?

  And even if someone, let's say they, they did work hard for a long time and their feelings overwhelmed and all of a sudden they started to make a lot more money, but it's not going to change the overwhelm if they keep thinking it.

• 6:18Rhonda Byrne?

  That's right.

• 6:18Lewis Howes?

  So more money might come because you spent more time in this world and worked hard and it's just your time to make more.

• 6:25Rhonda Byrne?

  Right.

• 6:25Lewis Howes?

  But you still might say, well, I'm still overwhelmed. It's not enough.

• 6:28Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 6:29Lewis Howes?

  Right? There's not enough feeling, even though you have more.

• 6:32Rhonda Byrne?

  Yep.

• 6:32Lewis Howes?

  You're still stressed and overwhelmed.

• 6:34Rhonda Byrne?

  You're still stressed and overwhelmed.

• 6:35Lewis Howes?

  That's why you see people with money, some people with money who aren't fulfilled or happy, they're still overwhelmed.

• 6:40Rhonda Byrne?

  That's right. Yeah.

• 6:41Lewis Howes?

  So how do we shift it so that when more comes our way, we're actually? Not feeling more overwhelmed, but more in abundance and grateful for that.

• 6:51Rhonda Byrne?

  It's so simple. It's so easy. We just have to talk about, think about what we want. And do we wanna feel overwhelmed? And no, we don't. So what do you want? I want all of the success, but I want it to be effortless and easy. And I wanna have lots of spare time and I wanna really be enjoying it. And I want, like, talk about what you want and talk about what you want until you have what you want.

• 7:24Lewis Howes?

  When people talk about what they don't want consistently, what typically happens?

• 7:29Rhonda Byrne?

  They get that. That's what they get.

• 7:31Lewis Howes?

  More of what they don't want.

• 7:32Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah, they get more of what they don't want. If we could just talk about what we want, our life would be incredible, incredible, amazing, spectacular. That's it. Just to talk about. But we are so, we have a world that's very, um, beautiful, but orientated towards drama and, you know, news is negative. And so, you know, it's, it's challenging for people, but we're all in it together.

• 8:14Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 8:14Rhonda Byrne?

  Because we're all dealing with the mind and the mind that might be delivering a whole lot of negative thoughts. But not one of us, it's not harder for one or easier for another. We all have this mind that can be like a flatmate and chatter, chatter, chatter, non-stop chatter, keep going on, you know. Um, so we all, we're all dealing with that and...

• 8:39Rhonda Byrne?

  The mind, it's just a, uh, it's just a program. It's not an entity, it's just a program. And so through, I think, because certainly through my experience, through the secret, we, you can to- totally train your mind to be positive. So that it is not leaning toward the negative all of the time. And positive is just what you want.

• 9:04Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 9:04Rhonda Byrne?

  Right?

• 9:05Lewis Howes?

  When someone is thinking or speaking about what they want, does that mean that they are in lack of it? Or how do they speak about it where it's not from a place of lack?

• 9:15Rhonda Byrne?

  Right. Um, it's a good question.

• 9:19Lewis Howes?

  You know what I mean? If I'm like, I want this, I want this, but I don't have it. So how do we speak about it where we're in gratitude and positive around it as opposed to, I really want this thing, but it's not in my life right now, but I really want it.

• 9:30Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah, but the problem is you just cancelled out the manifestation when you said, but it's not in my life right now.

• 9:36Lewis Howes?

  Ah.

• 9:36Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah, because if you, if you're saying that I, you know, I, well, you could say it like this. I would really love to have this, it's a little bit softer, right? Then I want, but you, but to manifest something that you, to deliberately manifest, you have to want it, but then you can't have any thoughts of, well, it's not here yet. Because the moment you say it's not here, what does law of attraction do? It's not here.

• 10:04Lewis Howes?

  Hmm, and it's constantly not here yet.

• 10:07Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 10:07Lewis Howes?

  So.

• 10:08Rhonda Byrne?

  So.

• 10:08Lewis Howes?

  So say this again, how do we really manifest something? We, we put it out there, we speak it or we think it, but then we detach from it?

• 10:17Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah. And you know, here's the thing, we so don't realize our own amazing power, that we can just ask for something and it will be given to us.

• 10:31Lewis Howes?

  Now, here's what, here's what the criticism online is for the secret.

• 10:34Rhonda Byrne?

  Okay.

• 10:35Lewis Howes?

  Or the law of attraction, or anyone talking about manifesting.

• 10:38Rhonda Byrne?

  Okay.

• 10:39Lewis Howes?

  This is what I'll see people, and this is typically people in lack. Or maybe people with more of a negative frustration because they don't have what they want. They will say, or these are comments that I'll see, you can't just think something and expect it to appear without putting in the hard work, without action, without consistency. It's just, the world just doesn't work like that. When you see comments like that, or people say this.

• 11:07Lewis Howes?

  How would you respond to someone saying, thinking that or saying that?

• 11:12Rhonda Byrne?

  Well, I don't, I always kind of feel that everybody has the right to think what they want and believe what they want. And I, I know it's not the case.

• 11:25Rhonda Byrne?

  I remember Lester Levinson said something so incredibly. He was a wonderful teacher. He's not alive anymore, but he was very simple in the way that he talked. And he, he told these students that if you want something, I could lock you up in a room and padlock that room and you ask for that and you know you have it. Right? You know you have it now and it will come.

• 11:54Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 11:55Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah, it will come and nothing in this world can stop it. So.

• 12:01Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 12:02Rhonda Byrne?

  Right?

• 12:03Lewis Howes?

  What are some examples in your life where you've, you've thought or spoken about something you desired or wanted and it has come effortlessly? And or maybe an example of people that have written about their success stories? Is there anything you can think of?

• 12:20Rhonda Byrne?

  Right.

• 12:22Lewis Howes?

  Where maybe for a long time they'd struggled in manifesting or attracting what they wanted, but they started to apply this and really believed it and that thing came to them.

• 12:32Rhonda Byrne?

  Right. Well, when I did a book signing and I had, I got to talk to all of these different people and every single person at that book signing told me about how their life had completely changed. And what was amazing was so somebody would say that they wanted to have, they were working, I don't know, cleaning a bank or something, and they wanted to have their own sound studio. And that is what they decided to manifest and they visualized and visualized and they felt it and they wouldn't allow any thoughts of doubt to enter their mind.

• 13:12Rhonda Byrne?

  And they are now running one of the top sound studios in LA.

• 13:18Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 13:19Rhonda Byrne?

  But not just that, they met their perfect partner. They bought their dream house.

• 13:28Rhonda Byrne?

  They have, you know, two children or they travel every, every single thing that they wanted, they received. And that was what was so amazing about all of these people when I was signing books. It wasn't just one thing in their life, but these people were amazing. They did gratitude all of the time, or they did affirmations all of the time. And they had a complete change within themselves, you know, to be kind, you know, to other people. And so they would think positively.

• 14:08Rhonda Byrne?

  They were aware when negative thoughts came and they would stop them in their tracks. And so, for me, I think the biggest manifestation for me was The Secret.

• 14:20Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 14:21Rhonda Byrne?

  Because I wa- I was um, a mother of two children in Melbourne, Australia. I had this night where Henny Penny, the sky fell in. Everything in my life completely collapsed, right? And I had a huge awakening that night. Pardon me and realized how, I realized all of this and how incredible we are and what we can do and what mastery we have over the world. And there and then I, I looked out at the world and I'm like, no one knows this.

• 14:58Rhonda Byrne?

  No one knows this. And so I was determined that I would find a way to take this to the world. I had no idea what shape or form it would take or, or, but that night I determined that that is what I would do. And so eventually a whole team were gathered. I had a production company at that point. And everybody might think, oh, if you had a production company, it's so easy for you to make a documentary. Aha, but let me tell you, ah, there's a snag. I was two million dollars in debt.

• 15:33Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 15:34Rhonda Byrne?

  That production company was two million dollars in debt and my accountant told me, you're gonna be broke in thirty days and lose everything. Lose everything. And to this day, I don't know how it didn't happen. I do know because I didn't allow that thought. I only allowed the thought of taking this to the world and nothing else mattered.

• 15:57Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 15:58Rhonda Byrne?

  But getting this out into the world. And so, um, yeah, but getting back to your point, I would like. I don't want to, I remember when, um, when I did time one hundred and they had all the cameras. That was an interesting experience. Wow. You had carpet and walking down and they were all like, what do you say to the naysayers? And I said, good for them.

• 16:26Rhonda Byrne?

  Good for them because I think one problem we have in the world is people wanting other people to believe what they believe. You know, I discovered something incredible. I absolutely know it's the case through my experience, through tens of thousands and millions of people's experience. I know it's the case, but if there's somebody that isn't ready for this in their life, that's fine.

• 16:53Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 16:53Rhonda Byrne?

  Right?

• 16:54Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 16:54Rhonda Byrne?

  That's totally fine.

• 16:56Lewis Howes?

  Well, because a lot of people feel like they might be in a breakdown, you know, during that moment of your life, you have were struggling with, you know, business, different things in your life that were happening, relationships, it sounds like there were some challenges boiling up.

• 17:09Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 17:10Lewis Howes?

  But then this wisdom within you.

• 17:13Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 17:13Lewis Howes?

  Came out.

• 17:14Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 17:14Lewis Howes?

  You decided to act on it.

• 17:15Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 17:16Lewis Howes?

  And one of these cards, again, this is, this is a beautiful piece of art, these cards, these manifestation cards. And I want people to get this, we'll have everything linked up. And I've gone through a lot of these already. They're amazing. I wish I would have created this. This is incredible. It says, um, this card is great for this point in the conversation where it says, everything is always on track, always. No matter where you are in your life currently, and no matter how difficult things might appear to be in this moment, you are always being moved toward magnificence.

• 17:45Rhonda Byrne?

  Yes.

• 17:45Lewis Howes?

  So why are we moved toward magnificence?

• 17:50Lewis Howes?

  Even when we're in breakdown, stress and feel like we're suffering. How are we on track when we're in that moment?

• 17:56Rhonda Byrne?

  Well, we are though, we are. And um, I mean, my, if, if, if I use myself as an example and sometimes excuse me for doing that. But that night that I talked about where everything collapsed in a heap. And I was going to be broke. My health was really bad. My relationships were in a mess. My father had died really suddenly. He was young. And he had died really suddenly and my parents just had the love affair that I've, most beautiful love affair I've ever seen. So my mother was in terrible grief. And so I had all of these things. And then I was going to be bust in thirty, thirty days.

• 18:37Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 18:38Rhonda Byrne?

  So I was able to turn all of that around. And if that hadn't happened that night, and I've thought about all of the things that led up to that night. And you know, I was making six documentary films about murder. Can you imagine?

• 19:00Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 19:01Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah, a subject like, and it was heart wrenching because these were unsolved murders.

• 19:06Lewis Howes?

  Oh.

• 19:07Rhonda Byrne?

  And talking to the families and everything like that. But it was perfection. The way that all of these things lined up, that I was making these movies. And then that I plummeted into grief with my father, that I was so stressed about my mother. And all of these things led to this incredible night on the ninth of September at nine thirty at night.

• 19:32Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 19:32Rhonda Byrne?

  And where everything fell in a heap. And I, we could all say, oh, but that was so terrible. All those things happened. And not long before that, you know, years before that, I'd been fired and never imagined I'd ever get fired. But if any of those things hadn't happened, I would never, ever have discovered the secret. And so, and I've been through lots of tough things since, you know.

• 20:02Lewis Howes?

  It hasn't been perfect?

• 20:03Rhonda Byrne?

  When, no, when we're human, you know, we're going to have things.

• 20:12Rhonda Byrne?

  We're going to have things that will come that will have us go further, reach further, be more magnificent, be more understanding, be more compassionate. You know, when you lose somebody really close to you,

• 20:26Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 20:27Rhonda Byrne?

  you become very compassionate, you know, it helps to in- instill all of that. And so absolutely, I say that we are all on track. The first thing people always ask me is, what do you feel about the world? Do you know, oh my gosh, it's a mess. And I just say, everything's unfolding perfectly.

• 20:48Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 20:50Rhonda Byrne?

  It really and truly is.

• 20:51Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 20:52Rhonda Byrne?

  It's unfolding perfectly. And the same for everybody and somebody might be going through a really rough diagnosis, but from where I am, there's no end for any of us.

• 21:05Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 21:05Rhonda Byrne?

  No. We are, we are consciousness, there's no end.

• 21:09Lewis Howes?

  Right, right.

• 21:10Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 21:11Lewis Howes?

  So it's not gonna end, even if there's a bad diagnosis in our, in our life?

• 21:14Rhonda Byrne?

  This is just, this is just a vehicle, this is just the car, you know, that we're, that we're using to travel around in the world. And so, um, yeah.

• 21:26Lewis Howes?

  You, this is another one of your cards that I love that speaks into this. And I hope you don't mind me reading some of these. This one says, be grateful for your challenges. And, and you wrote all of these from your wisdom, which I think is amazing. It says, be grateful for your challenges. It's all of the hard things and apparently negative things that happen to us, which give us deep desire to change our lives. Be grateful for them because they have given you the strength and determination to manifest something different. And you will change your life. And we were talking about this beforehand.

• 22:00Rhonda Byrne?

  Hmm.

• 22:01Lewis Howes?

  About how hard it is to watch people suffer.

• 22:04Rhonda Byrne?

  Oh.

• 22:04Lewis Howes?

  How hard it is to watch people you care about suffer. People struggling in the world that you don't know about and seeing suffering happening. It's very challenging to witness, especially if you have a lot of compassion in your heart. If you have, if you're empathetic towards individuals and if you felt pain yourself.

• 22:22Rhonda Byrne?

  Yes, yes.

• 22:23Lewis Howes?

  It's very challenging.

• 22:24Rhonda Byrne?

  It is very.

• 22:25Lewis Howes?

  So how can people be grateful for their challenges? Even though we know, I know you know and I know that our biggest challenges of our past got us to where we are today.

• 22:36Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 22:37Lewis Howes?

  It's like those moments of complete pain and suffering taught me my biggest lessons, which have given me strength and courage today.

• 22:45Rhonda Byrne?

  There you go. Yeah.

• 22:45Lewis Howes?

  But how can people fully understand that when they have a horrible disease? When they've lost someone in their life too soon? When there's an unfortunate war in their individual life or in their country? They're going bankrupt. How can we empower people to be grateful for their challenges? When there's so much pain and suffering in their life?

• 23:07Rhonda Byrne?

  Because being grateful is what will change their lives.

• 23:14Rhonda Byrne?

  And so the difficulties that they're facing. I mean, I, we, we have a lot of stories on our website about people with health challenges and how those, those health challenges just disappeared with love and gratitude. So, and just being grateful. Being grateful is, I mean, that, that is just number one. That's the fastest way for anybody to change their life. And I think if, if you went out and asked most people, they would be, they would say, oh yeah, I, you know, I know it's important to be grateful. I think most people would agree with that. And grateful isn't spiritual or, you know, it's just being grateful.

• 23:58Rhonda Byrne?

  And I, I just, if you wanna see the power that you have to change your life really fast, then start doing gratitude and it will just blow your mind.

• 24:12Lewis Howes?

  It changes everything. Again, the next card I just turned to it is gratitude is the great multiplier.

• 24:20Lewis Howes?

  Set the universal forces in your favor for tomorrow. Tonight, before you fall asleep, go back over your whole day in your mind and replay each good moment, feeling genuine gratitude for each one. This practice ensures the universe will make your tomorrow a day filled with good moments and plenty to be grateful for for the next day as well.

• 24:41Rhonda Byrne?

  Absolutely.

• 24:42Lewis Howes?

  And when we are ungrateful, when we are not in appreciation

• 24:48Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 24:49Lewis Howes?

  for the good, the bad, the ugly.

• 24:51Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 24:52Lewis Howes?

  What happens in our lives when we lack gratitude?

• 24:56Rhonda Byrne?

  We're taking things for granted, which means things will be taken from us.

• 25:00Lewis Howes?

  Oh.

• 25:02Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah. Yeah, when we take things for granted, they they get taken from us. Yeah. Gratitude will hold absolutely everything to us in our life. It will just, it will stick everything to us.

• 25:18Lewis Howes?

  How do we be grateful when we're in suffering or sadness or loss?

• 25:23Rhonda Byrne?

  I know it's really hard, but there's, I guess there's like, there's like suffering, sadness and loss.

• 25:33Rhonda Byrne?

  That continues in that way. Or there's suffering with gratitude and the suffering gets easier.

• 25:42Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 25:43Rhonda Byrne?

  Or there's sadness with gratitude and the sadness begins to lift. Or the loss with gratitude. I know because of my mother was so grief-stricken with my father having died. And what brought my mother right out of it was gratitude. She was just so grateful that they got to have all of the years together that they had, that they had five children, there are five of us. And they had five children, that they had an incredible life, that they loved. They loved each other, it was love at first sight, and they loved and adored each other until the last moment. And she was so glad that he didn't suffer.

• 26:27Rhonda Byrne?

  Her, she just found so many things to be grateful for. And this was the love of her life. But from doing that gratitude, she just lifted herself up and began to live a new life.

• 26:44Rhonda Byrne?

  You know, so, so what happened was she reduced the, you know, reduced the

• 26:50Lewis Howes?

  The pain.

• 26:51Rhonda Byrne?

  The pain and the grief. Because eventually it will lessen, but she, and she just felt absolute love for everything that, uh, I remember her saying to me, she's not alive now. Um, but I remember her saying to me, you know, I've had such a blessed life. I was like, wow, you know, you went through a war, you went through, you know, they didn't have, like, I came from very humble beginnings, that my parents did not have much, and yet she saw her life as rich and blessed.

• 27:26Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 27:27Rhonda Byrne?

  You know?

• 27:28Lewis Howes?

  Beautiful.

• 27:28Rhonda Byrne?

  Isn't it?

• 27:29Lewis Howes?

  A lot of it is pers- perspective, you know, and if we, if we hold on to resentment or a lack of forgiveness in our life.

• 27:35Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 27:37Lewis Howes?

  Are we able to manifest and attract beautiful things if we hold on to resentment and anger and don't forgive?

• 27:48Rhonda Byrne?

  I think we can still, because we're attracting every day. So I think we can still attract things, but will those things bring us peace and happiness? Not when your heart is full of resentment. Because if, if, if you're full of resentment, you, what you will attract is more people's circumstances and events that will cause resentment.

• 28:12Lewis Howes?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 28:14Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 28:15Lewis Howes?

  And, uh.

• 28:16Rhonda Byrne?

  And that's just to show you that there's something to let go of. You know, everything's very beautiful. Every, everything's beautiful.

• 28:23Lewis Howes?

  Explain that, what does that mean, something to let go of?

• 28:25Rhonda Byrne?

  So it's time to let go of that resentment. That, cause that original resentment is attached to some story or another that we have about somebody did something to us and, and, and isn't it crazy that maybe somebody did, but, but then that we would carry that for years? And. By carrying it, we keep attracting more and more and more of it. So that just, it just shows you how all of those religious texts and everything, they call it really right.

• 29:01Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, of course.

• 29:02Rhonda Byrne?

  When they said not to, you know, love thy enemy and all of those things that were said, all of those things make total sense. Don't carry those things with you.

• 29:13Lewis Howes?

  Well, that lack of forgiveness, that resentment is an energetic force that's almost attracting more of those things and resisting the abundance

• 29:21Rhonda Byrne?

  It is.

• 29:22Lewis Howes?

  of peace and harmony.

• 29:23Rhonda Byrne?

  It is.

• 29:24Lewis Howes?

  When you're carrying and holding on to that anger, you're resisting peace.

• 29:28Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 29:29Lewis Howes?

  This is another card. Again, I'm just in the flow right here. That says feelings are powerful manifestors. Remember that worry attracts more worry, just what you said. Unhappiness attracts more unhappiness. Fear attracts more fear. And remember that joy attracts more joy. Happiness attracts more happiness. Love attracts more love.

• 29:50Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 29:51Lewis Howes?

  And it's the, the times when I'm hearing you say the times when it feels like it's the hardest is the times when it's the most important.

• 29:59Rhonda Byrne?

  That's right.

• 29:59Lewis Howes?

  To be in a state of gratitude, happiness and love.

• 30:03Rhonda Byrne?

  Yep.

• 30:05Lewis Howes?

  Because holding on to anger, unhappiness and worry only attracts more of that.

• 30:11Rhonda Byrne?

  More of it. And I think everybody experienced that, right? During COVID.

• 30:14Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 30:15Rhonda Byrne?

  Right? With all of the worry about COVID, which then turned into fear. And people became more fearful, more fearful, and then things seemed to get worse. And then more fearful and things got worse and things got

• 30:27Lewis Howes?

  It did.

• 30:27Rhonda Byrne?

  Right? When you've got the whole world, when you've got the, when you have the majority of the world in so much fear, it's going to get worse.

• 30:35Lewis Howes?

  It is.

• 30:36Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 30:37Lewis Howes?

  Do we, should we be thinking more about our thoughts or our feelings when it comes to manifesting and attracting abundance?

• 30:45Rhonda Byrne?

  Good question. Um.

• 30:48Rhonda Byrne?

  You know what I would say? I would say for people to choose whatever's easiest for them. Uh, I did thoughts. I became very aware of my thoughts, but two, I have to say, I also became super, super sensitive to what I was feeling. So much so that if I wasn't feeling good, I would not open my computer or any emails.

• 31:13Lewis Howes?

  Why is that?

• 31:14Rhonda Byrne?

  Because if I'm on a frequency, if I'm on a frequency of frustration, when I open up those emails, in comes frustration. In comes problems. And so I wouldn't answer my phone if I wasn't feeling good. And in fact, the whole secret team knows very well.

• 31:38Lewis Howes?

  If you can't get a hold of Rhonda.

• 31:41Rhonda Byrne?

  For them, I told, I said to them, if, if you don't feel well, please don't touch the secret. And if you had an argument with your spouse or you got really, you know, fell out of bed the wrong way, take the day off. Don't touch the secret.

• 31:59Lewis Howes?

  Unless you can shift out of it quickly.

• 32:01Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 32:01Lewis Howes?

  If you're unable to shift.

• 32:02Rhonda Byrne?

  Which they all can now, but this was early days. So. Yeah. So I, I was really, really careful to, so feeling good. Um, I guess if you ask people how they feel, they might say, oh yeah, I feel, you know, I feel pretty good. Or they, but what I want to know is, do you feel happy? Because if you're not feeling happy, then you're unhappy.

• 32:34Rhonda Byrne?

  Like we could say there's just two, you know, two.

• 32:37Lewis Howes?

  It's black and white.

• 32:38Rhonda Byrne?

  Right?

• 32:39Lewis Howes?

  Happy or not happy?

• 32:40Rhonda Byrne?

  Exactly.

• 32:42Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah. And so if you're not feeling, and if you think about a time in your life when you felt happy, and I don't mean over excited, or what I mean is just happy, you know, just feeling full and happy and it's a great day and you're really positive and friendly to everybody. Yeah, that's happy. And the other, that kind of numb feeling, or you know, it's another day, kind of, that's unhappiness.

• 33:11Lewis Howes?

  I will say, Ron, I I grew up not thinking that I was very smart or intelligent. I struggled in school. So I had this belief that I wasn't smart enough for really anyone or anything. And I was never gonna be able to figure things out. Cause I had this kind of belief based on testing poorly, just struggling in school. It was hard to read and write, and I just felt like everyone around me was smarter, based on kind of school system and tests. Now, I had learned later that that wasn't true in other areas of life. I had more street smarts rather than school smarts. But I remember in my early twenties, not thinking I had skills to go into a career, because I lacked success in school.

• 33:57Lewis Howes?

  And early on, I was trying to figure out, how can I start to make money? How can I get opportunities for me when I don't have these skills? And what I said to myself early on was, I'm going to bring joy and happiness everywhere I go. When I would enter a room, I would, I would think about, okay, this is a pathway to joy. And I would smile as I would cross the doorway. I would cross it, I would just open my heart to joy and smile. And enter a room and smile at people. And when I would smile at other people and just ask them a question, how's your day? They would smile back and bring that mirroring energy. In this next card here, you say, live in joy.

• 34:39Lewis Howes?

  Humanity needs your joy. Planet Earth needs your joy. The universe needs your joy. And that's why you are here. Find what brings you joy, start living it, and you will have a fulfilled, you will, you will have fulfilled your purpose. And when I didn't know what my purpose was. I just said, I'm going to be joy and that is purpose. And things started to unfold in my life. Financial opportunities, people wanted to be around me more and they wanted to help me. I didn't know why, except for that I brought joy and happiness. So I want people to know that, you know, when you bring joy, even if you don't know what direction you're heading. Or what, what should I do next or the next chapter of my life?

• 35:24Lewis Howes?

  Joy unlocks opportunities, like you said, and I love this message in this card here.

• 35:30Rhonda Byrne?

  Well, that, that was just such an insight that you received, you know, that's like a divine message to you to do that. Because on the frequency of joy is everything that you could ever want.

• 35:46Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 35:46Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah. Everything. Yep.

• 35:50Lewis Howes?

  It's not when you're in anger?

• 35:52Rhonda Byrne?

  Joy, no.

• 35:55Rhonda Byrne?

  I mean, people must notice, you know, I just think it's so obvious. Look at your life and you can see how you're creating it. Like you get angry and then one thing happens and then, oh no, something else happens and then something else happens and something else, you know, I mean, we've all had those days.

• 36:13Lewis Howes?

  Like a snowball of bad things.

• 36:15Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah, and we just keep creating one after the other.

• 36:18Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 36:18Rhonda Byrne?

  But yeah, on the joy, because joy is at the same frequency as love.

• 36:22Lewis Howes?

  Uh huh.

• 36:23Rhonda Byrne?

  So it's right up there and it is incredible. And that's why in the sacred documentary and in the sacred, why I say nothing is more important than that you feel good.

• 36:36Lewis Howes?

  Uh huh.

• 36:37Rhonda Byrne?

  Because when you feel good, you're on a feel good frequency and absolutely everything you encounter in the day. All the people, all the circumstances, all the events will be. Feel good. They will be things that make you feel even better, even better, even better, even better. So, yeah.

• 36:56Lewis Howes?

  There's a quote from a famous football coach in America. His name is Vince Lombardi, who passed away, but he was a, he won a number of championships for the Green Bay Packers, I believe it was. His quote that he would say to his, you know, his team, his, his athletes, was that you'll, what did he say? He said, either be fired up with enthusiasm or you'll be fired with enthusiasm, right? It's like you either gotta bring the joy is what he was saying.

• 37:24Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 37:24Lewis Howes?

  Bring the energy, bring the positive excitement, or you'll be fired passionately.

• 37:29Rhonda Byrne?

  Right.

• 37:30Lewis Howes?

  Because it's hard to manifest or excel at a high elite level in sports or something if you're not bringing passion and joy in a, in a loving, happy, joyful way.

• 37:44Rhonda Byrne?

  Oh.

• 37:44Lewis Howes?

  It's hard to, maybe you could have some success, but to kind of maintain that level of opportunities and flow. It's hard to do that without it, right?

• 37:53Rhonda Byrne?

  Wow, that's really interesting because that's the same with life too.

• 37:56Lewis Howes?

  Mm hmm.

• 37:57Rhonda Byrne?

  Right? It's really like, for, for example, when you're in joy, you will manifest so fast. It's a really high frequency and you will manifest really, really quickly. The thing is if you're in grief and despair, it's very slow.

• 38:16Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 38:16Rhonda Byrne?

  And that is, so that's a protective mechanism for all of us. Um, because I had one time in my life where I hit, uh, depression and, uh, because I was extremely worried about my daughter and I, I just, there was just like this black cloud and I, and I thought, I have completely thought myself to here. I could see all of the scary thoughts that I believed and that, and, and I am here now, here is where I am. And I knew I was here.

• 38:53Rhonda Byrne?

  Because to experience it so I could help people out of depression.

• 38:57Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 38:58Rhonda Byrne?

  And so.

• 39:00Lewis Howes?

  So no one else created you to get there.

• 39:02Rhonda Byrne?

  Oh, I did it.

• 39:03Lewis Howes?

  You created yourself to do it.

• 39:05Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah, because I just believed all these thoughts that I was all these scary thoughts. I was just believing them all and my daughter's fine and well today, you know, they were just, they were just all thoughts and, and yeah, so now, um, I mean, I'm really, I, I guess really fortunate. I tried everything that I knew, which was to be grateful, um, and to think positive thoughts. So I tried thinking positive thoughts. I could feel how weak they were.

• 39:38Lewis Howes?

  What do you mean by that?

• 39:39Rhonda Byrne?

  They, they didn't have a lot of power behind them.

• 39:42Lewis Howes?

  So they were like, ah, I'm, I'm happy, but I'm not really happy, not feeling it.

• 39:47Rhonda Byrne?

  Because the depression was, you know, it was strong. And so what I did was I decided to not resist the depression, but to love it.

• 40:01Lewis Howes?

  Tell me more.

• 40:01Rhonda Byrne?

  And it melted away.

• 40:03Lewis Howes?

  What, what does that look like? If someone's going through three to six months of depression?

• 40:06Rhonda Byrne?

  So I had to imagine this. I had to, I had to create like a picture of this, but I, I kind of, like, I could feel the sensation of it because depression is just a sensation. All of my feelings are just sensations and they're not actually us. They're just, they're just a sensation, but I could, I, I would get that sensation and I would feel that sensation of depression. And then I just imagined putting my arms around it and pulling it into me. And that was hard to do.

• 40:42Lewis Howes?

  Not pushing in a way of resisting it.

• 40:43Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah, because that's what we do. You see, we push away bad feelings because we don't want to feel the pain, right?

• 40:50Lewis Howes?

  We numb them. We try to escape from them.

• 40:53Rhonda Byrne?

  Exactly. We do everything, but I did the opposite because I knew what you resist persists, right?

• 40:59Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 41:00Rhonda Byrne?

  And so I just imagined putting my arms around. The moment that I did it. It just evaporated, that whole feeling of depression. And then a couple of hours later, it started to come back, not nearly that same level. Did it again in three days, was totally gone.

• 41:20Lewis Howes?

  How long had you been experiencing the depression for? Was this weeks? Was this months?

• 41:24Rhonda Byrne?

  But it was like a couple of weeks.

• 41:27Lewis Howes?

  Couple of weeks.

• 41:29Rhonda Byrne?

  Uh huh.

• 41:29Lewis Howes?

  And if you would have resisted it or numbed it or tried to escape it.

• 41:34Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah, I'd still be there.

• 41:35Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 41:35Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 41:37Lewis Howes?

  So what I'm hearing you say is that you embracing the sadness, the pain, the grief, the loss, whatever it might be, but embracing it and and creating a relationship with it.

• 41:47Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 41:47Lewis Howes?

  As opposed to pushing it away.

• 41:49Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 41:49Lewis Howes?

  Allowed it to flow through you and leave you.

• 41:52Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah, it can't stay because nothing negative can remain in the face of love.

• 41:59Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 42:01Rhonda Byrne?

  Love is the light and everything negative you could say is darkness is one way to look at it. And so if there's love, the darkness just disappears. And that's why it just evaporated was the most incredible feeling. And I knew I'm experiencing this so I can share it with people.

• 42:22Lewis Howes?

  How does someone, I mean, the secret thirty four million plus copies, you know, tens of millions of people have watched the the movie. All the other books and programs and products that you have have been, you know, sold by millions of people have been bought these things. How does someone believe they are worthy of great things the way you have been able to do great things in your life and impact the world in such a magnitude that you have done? How can someone know and trust that something is destined for them? Maybe it's not at this level, but something is great is destined for them.

• 43:05Lewis Howes?

  How do they know that? And did you know this? Your entire life leading up to this, that something like this was supposed to happen?

• 43:13Rhonda Byrne?

  No, I didn't.

• 43:14Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 43:14Rhonda Byrne?

  No, but the moment I discovered it, I knew it. Absolutely knew it. I knew this is why I was here. I just knew it with every fiber of my being. Yeah, so but prior to that, I didn't. I was um really ambitious, okay.

• 43:34Lewis Howes?

  You were driven, you had a business.

• 43:36Rhonda Byrne?

  But when I say ambitious, I was only wanting to perfect, be great myself. I wasn't in competition with anybody. I wasn't trying to be better than that person. Or I just wanted to be the best that I could be. Uh, and so I I didn't, but after I discovered the secret and my whole life turned completely around three sixty, I looked back on my life and I saw that every single thing in my life was leading to this.

• 44:07Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 44:08Rhonda Byrne?

  Yes, because just even things like I worked in the newsroom for a radio station. And um, and so when the secret went crazy, like crazy, and I just had every news media outlet in the world, in every country, coming at us. And I did very little. And because I knew that what happens, what can happen is that the media will build you up to tear you down.

• 44:42Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 44:43Rhonda Byrne?

  And I knew that because I had worked in news and I'd worked in media and so I had seen it.

• 44:49Lewis Howes?

  Is that why you did very, you did Oprah and that was really it?

• 44:52Rhonda Byrne?

  Oprah and I did Oprah because I knew Oprah lived this. And you see, I didn't want to go on to anything where I didn't want to have arguments with people because I'm not trying to convince you to do anything. I discovered something.

• 45:09Rhonda Byrne?

  And I wanted to share it. And if you find that it's incredible for your life, then I'm so happy. If you, if you don't want to hear about it, that's fine too. So I didn't want to get into situations with people where they're like, oh, this is, you know, as if the mind can do this. This is all there is is mind, you know, they don't even realize like, it'll be hundreds of years before, before it is realized what the substance of the universe really, really is. But right now, we can use this knowledge to completely create the life we deserve to have.

• 45:45Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 45:46Rhonda Byrne?

  And what you were talking about, about being this great greatness, I think some of us were born to do something like this. But then there are others, and I think about this with my mother, right? My mother stopped working when she was like nineteen years old and she had five children. But my mother achieved greatness. Because she was an incredible mother and she was an incredible wife. And so her, her level was different. And I think, you know, what you did or what I did, not everybody is prepared to take the risks. You took risks.

• 46:25Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 46:26Rhonda Byrne?

  You can't, you can't do it without the risks.

• 46:28Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 46:29Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah, I took huge risks. I, I put everything on the line. I put every, I would have been on the streets, you know, I, I, I like mortgaged, overdraft. I did everything possible to get the secret out to the world. And I, I didn't care, honestly, what happened to me after it. I just wanted to get it to the world and that was it. And, and so you, you have to have, there's something within you that really pushes you. But then there are people that they might love what they do, you know, and they don't want to be running a company. They don't want the stress of that.

• 47:10Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 47:10Rhonda Byrne?

  They love their family. They want to spend as much time with their family as possible. They just really love to have a better house or, you know, um, and I think, and, and I think. Honestly, if you can live your life and you can bring joy to other people just by your presence, just by your presence, if you can do that, oh my God, you've lived the greatest life possible. You really have because every single person, their true nature is joy and their true nature is love. And that's why you feel so good when you're in joy.

• 47:48Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 47:49Rhonda Byrne?

  Right?

• 47:50Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 47:50Rhonda Byrne?

  And that's why we feel so good when we're loving and being loving is smiling to that person like you did. You know, I'm opening the doors and I'm in a smile.

• 48:00Lewis Howes?

  Absolutely.

• 48:01Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 48:01Lewis Howes?

  I mean, you talk about kindness. This is the next thing on top of here. You just said kindness. We're in sync right here.

• 48:07Rhonda Byrne?

  We're in sync.

• 48:08Lewis Howes?

  Kindness, kindness changes everything. Want to see your life change for the better today? Then be the kindest you've ever been to every person you encounter. When you do that, it's hard to have a bad day.

• 48:21Rhonda Byrne?

  Or you can't. It's not possible. That's why just do that, you know, like I'm like, just do, do that one thing and you don't take my word for it. Try it for yourself and just see for yourself what happens.

• 48:36Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 48:37Rhonda Byrne?

  I remember this person contacted us and really early on and he said, he decided that he was just going to be happy. I think it was a hairdresser and he said, I'm just going, I'm making a decision that I am going to be happy and I'm going to see what happens. And it was incredible what happened in his life. Got his own hairdressing salon and all of, just because he made a decision to be happy. What, what's on the happiness frequency? Everything that you want to make you happy.

• 49:11Lewis Howes?

  Absolutely.

• 49:12Rhonda Byrne?

  You know, so.

• 49:13Lewis Howes?

  I'm curious about after the secret came out and every news outlet in the world wanted to hear more about what you were creating.

• 49:23Rhonda Byrne?

  Well.

• 49:24Lewis Howes?

  You do, Oprah. Which that, you know, blows up everywhere. You're a Time 100 most influential person in the world. You're selling tens of millions of copies within the first few years. This message was everywhere. You could not go into a store without seeing this book.

• 49:41Rhonda Byrne?

  True.

• 49:42Lewis Howes?

  How did you navigate the success and not let that weight or pressure break you?

• 49:51Lewis Howes?

  Because some people want the impact, the success, but then they're not ready for it. How did you prepare yourself? And was that a conscious decision not to do a lot of interviews after that? To not be picked at or try to be pulled down in certain ways?

• 50:06Rhonda Byrne?

  That was a conscious decision. It was.

• 50:11Rhonda Byrne?

  But.

• 50:12Lewis Howes?

  Like, did you feel ready for the success? Do you feel prepared? Or did you feel like this was a little overwhelming?

• 50:17Rhonda Byrne?

  I never felt it was me.

• 50:20Lewis Howes?

  What do you mean?

• 50:21Rhonda Byrne?

  I just, I just, it was the message that was the star.

• 50:26Lewis Howes?

  Interesting.

• 50:27Rhonda Byrne?

  And I never felt that it was me, like even writing the secret book. I absolutely knew that and making the documentary, like it was a miracle what happened making that documentary. The way everything that we ever needed just landed right at our feet. It was so spectacular. It was the most incredible thing I've ever seen. And I just knew the universe, you know, just putting that in that most affectionate way. I knew the universe was with us. And so, and writing the book, it was the same thing. Like I felt such a rush in writing that book. I couldn't write it fast enough, all the things that I'd learned and practiced.

• 51:12Rhonda Byrne?

  And I wanted to share with people. But you know, I had like, I got a burst blood vessel in one of my eyes. I had my feet got all cracked. Um, all the skin on my feet got cracked from the high frequency in writing that book.

• 51:29Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 51:30Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 51:31Lewis Howes?

  Cause you said, you were telling me before off camera that you wrote this book in Santa Monica in an apartment.

• 51:35Rhonda Byrne?

  I did, I did.

• 51:36Lewis Howes?

  Just a few miles from here.

• 51:37Rhonda Byrne?

  With my laptop on my lap.

• 51:38Lewis Howes?

  With your laptop on your lap in a small little apartment.

• 51:41Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 51:41Lewis Howes?

  Were you on the beach? Were you off the beach? Were you, what was your environment like?

• 51:47Rhonda Byrne?

  Off the beach, it was a very simple little corporate apartment. Um, the documentary had been released and, and I was writing the book and I had, I, it was, it was just the perfect situation. I knew exactly everything that I wanted to say. It was really just rushing through me and uh.

• 52:10Lewis Howes?

  And because of the frequency you had like, you know, so you had, your body was feeling.

• 52:13Rhonda Byrne?

  My body really, yeah.

• 52:15Lewis Howes?

  That is fascinating.

• 52:16Rhonda Byrne?

  And after it, I was wiped out.

• 52:18Lewis Howes?

  You were like exhausted, you were like energetically drained.

• 52:21Rhonda Byrne?

  I energetically drained, yeah. And so then with each, then with each book that I wrote, was I tried to manage that more, you know, that I, that I wasn't so wiped out. Now I could write a book and not at all.

• 52:36Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 52:37Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 52:37Lewis Howes?

  But were you a writer before this?

• 52:39Rhonda Byrne?

  No, do you know what?

• 52:41Lewis Howes?

  This was, was this your first book? The Secret is your first book and you sold thirty four million copies. That is crazy.

• 52:47Rhonda Byrne?

  I know, right. I remember when um, Beyond Words uh, contacted me and said, we want you to do the secret book. Well, I knew there'd be a secret book cause I'd seen it in bookstores in my mind, all around the world.

• 53:00Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 53:00Rhonda Byrne?

  In the front window, I'd seen it. I didn't know what it looked like, but I could feel the book. And, and I said, yes, like I knew there'd be a secret book. And, and I said, okay. And they said, and we want you to write it. And I said, I'm not a writer. Yes, well, I heard those words. And I'm like, yes, I am.

• 53:25Lewis Howes?

  Hmm. You switched it, yeah.

• 53:28Rhonda Byrne?

  Because I'm not a writer means that you will not be a writer, right? And I'm like, yes, I am because I can do anything that I put my mind to. You, I, I mean, everybody can do anything they put their mind to. And so I, and, and so I wrote and I, I was very specific. I wanted to write to people as though I was just talking to them.

• 53:55Lewis Howes?

  Mm hmm.

• 53:56Rhonda Byrne?

  And not, you know, any kind of incredible, huge words or anything like that. I just, I wanted to be super, super simple because law of attraction was a hard concept to get your head around at that time. It's a lot, it's understood a little more these days, but.

• 54:18Lewis Howes?

  And this is, this is what I love about what you did because you first said you saw it in your mind and you felt the book in bookstores. Where you felt it, so you were connecting the thought, the visualization of what you saw in your mind and the feeling. You had those two things connected, it sounded like. And this is where I think some people get wrong about the law of attraction or the secret is they, you know, you had those two things, the thoughts and the feelings, as if it was already happening, but then you took action. You wrote the book. You didn't just say, it's magically going to like be in bookstores. There had to be some action somewhere, whether it was you or someone else.

• 54:58Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah, but I had the publisher come to me to say, you're gonna write the book.

• 55:04Lewis Howes?

  You drew it in.

• 55:04Rhonda Byrne?

  So I attracted that, but do you know what? With that book, I honestly feel like I was just a stenographer.

• 55:12Lewis Howes?

  You were just downloading it.

• 55:13Rhonda Byrne?

  That's why in answer to your question, how did I manage all of that? Honestly, I never, I just felt like I was the luckiest person in the world to be a part of that journey. But I know without a doubt, the universe was just there. It just, it, this had to come out into the world and it was there to help at every tone.

• 55:35Lewis Howes?

  If someone is applying these principles and think they're not drawing in the person, the publisher, the, the, the right person to hire, the thing.

• 55:47Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 55:48Lewis Howes?

  To support them in manifesting what they want. Does that mean they're not ready for that thing to come out into the world? Is it not the right timing? You know, cause you could have wanted this 20 years prior, but it didn't happen then. It happened at the moment you were ready for it, it sounds like.

• 56:05Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 56:06Lewis Howes?

  So how can people let go of their frustration of really wanting something to happen now?

• 56:11Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 56:11Lewis Howes?

  Versus knowing when it's the right timing for it to come into the world?

• 56:15Rhonda Byrne?

  Right. So the difference is just simply belief. So you have to believe you have it already. So can, if I explain what my belief was like, my belief was a notch above believing it had already happened.

• 56:31Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 56:31Rhonda Byrne?

  Mine was knowing it had already happened.

• 56:34Lewis Howes?

  What's the difference between believing and knowing?

• 56:36Rhonda Byrne?

  Because one, because knowing is the highest you can get. And it's actually knowing is beyond the mind, but believe, but you can manifest with believing too. So I didn't just believe this had happened. I absolutely knew it.

• 56:54Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 56:54Rhonda Byrne?

  And I knew it and I knew what it was going to do. And I, I.

• 57:04Rhonda Byrne?

  How can I, it felt, I knew it so much that I felt like I had already lived the entire journey of making it and it coming out and that I had such a great time that I was reliving it.

• 57:24Lewis Howes?

  Oh, that's pretty cool.

• 57:25Rhonda Byrne?

  That's how, that's how it felt.

• 57:27Lewis Howes?

  This is fascinating what you just said. This unlocked something for me. The difference between believing and knowing.

• 57:34Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 57:35Lewis Howes?

  I grew up in a religion, the religion of Christian Science, which is all about healing and applying healing thinking and applying the mind to the material world. But really, there is no material world anyways. But one of the things that I would hear over and over again, when I felt like something was off in my life, or I felt like I was feeling a pain or something physical in my body was off, out of alignment.

• 58:02Lewis Howes?

  We would have Christian Science practitioners, spiritual practitioners, that would give us prescriptions, but they weren't medications. They were spiritual medications, essentially, right?

• 58:14Rhonda Byrne?

  Gotcha.

• 58:15Lewis Howes?

  And it was, and they were always called truths. And they would always say, know the truths. They didn't say, believe this. They would say, know the truths. And when you know it, it is true and it is a reality. And it was hard, it was confusing as a kid because I was like, well, but I feel this thing and there's this pain, but how can I know it? But what I'm hearing you say is believing can really help you in a big way. But knowing is what unlocks manifestation into another level.

• 58:46Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah, knowing it's just done. I mean, there have been times for everybody when they knew something.

• 58:55Rhonda Byrne?

  They absolutely knew something was going to happen before it happened. So let's say.

• 59:02Lewis Howes?

  And how do they know that?

• 59:03Rhonda Byrne?

  Yes. How did you know that? And you don't know how you knew it.

• 59:07Lewis Howes?

  It's like an intuition or a feeling or something, right?

• 59:10Rhonda Byrne?

  You knew it, like, somebody's having a baby and they don't know what sex it is, but you're like, oh, I know it's a girl. I absolutely know it's a girl. And everybody thinks you're just guessing like everybody else. No, you're like, I know it. I know it's a girl. Or there's a spinning wheel and you all of a sudden you're like, I know it's gonna be number 11. I know it. And it's number 11, but you knew it. You absolutely knew it.

• 59:36Lewis Howes?

  How does that happen?

• 59:37Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah, because it's above the mind.

• 59:40Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 59:41Rhonda Byrne?

  It's above the mind. So you, you, you definitely know it. So you.

• 59:48Lewis Howes?

  That's crazy. How?

• 59:49Rhonda Byrne?

  So you don't have to be at knowing to manifest. You just have to be believing. And might I just say that you, you just have to be more believing than not believing. So that person who's not, you know, they're waiting and it hasn't manifested and they're here and here. The difference is they're not believing it is done already.

• 1:00:15Rhonda Byrne?

  The moment they're believing more that it's done than it hasn't arrived, it'll manifest.

• 1:00:22Lewis Howes?

  How do we stay patient and?

• 1:00:25Rhonda Byrne?

  See, well, if you need patience, you're not believing it's manifested, right?

• 1:00:30Lewis Howes?

  Interesting. So is there, can you give me?

• 1:00:33Rhonda Byrne?

  So you're done, you're done for right there.

• 1:00:34Lewis Howes?

  So give me the example, give me an example, if there's an example in your life personally, or something you've seen from a friend, or someone who's read the book. Where they were like, man, I've been waiting for this to happen. It's been 10 years. I feel like it's supposed to happen. I'm believing it's happening. But I haven't got the thing that I've wanted yet, or haven't, it hasn't happened yet, it hasn't come to fruition yet.

• 1:00:55Rhonda Byrne?

  Right.

• 1:00:55Lewis Howes?

  Should I have more patience in manifesting? Should I expect it's already here now? What should I do?

• 1:01:02Rhonda Byrne?

  Okay, so I've definitely had some people do that. One in particular. She was wanting to have a baby and get pregnant. She had visualized, visualized, visualized, visualized getting pregnant. She had been doing affirmations, she'd been grateful that she was getting pregnant. And she's like, still, I'm not pregnant.

• 1:01:26Rhonda Byrne?

  Now, I just, and I think she'd even done IVF and that hadn't worked. And so she'd.

• 1:01:32Lewis Howes?

  Tried lots of things.

• 1:01:33Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah. And. And I just knew that for a woman who can't get pregnant, getting pregnant has a lot of resistance around it. Because when you've not been able to get pregnant, get pregnant, get pregnant. There's like real resistance around that getting pregnant. And so much so that the resistance was outweighing. Her, her resistance that I'm not pregnant yet was outweighing her visualization and all the other things. So I said to her, I don't want you to visualize that. I want you to visualize holding the baby. Because that's the outcome, right? That's the end result. You don't want to be pregnant for the rest of your life.

• 1:02:16Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 1:02:16Rhonda Byrne?

  Right? You want to be holding the baby. So I said to her, I want you to visualize holding the baby. I want you to hear the baby. I want you to feel it in your arms.

• 1:02:25Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 1:02:26Rhonda Byrne?

  Pregnant in a month.

• 1:02:27Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 1:02:28Rhonda Byrne?

  And I've done that with a lot of women.

• 1:02:30Lewis Howes?

  This is, you know, even you saying that, I'm not a woman, but it's like imagining, you know, a, a child coming into my life from my partner and.

• 1:02:42Lewis Howes?

  Hearing the baby, having the baby against my chest, being born, you know, feeling the heartbeat of the child.

• 1:02:49Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:50Lewis Howes?

  Next to my heartbeat, having this beautiful moment, like I'm already seeing the future happening now.

• 1:02:56Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:56Lewis Howes?

  By experiencing that feeling as opposed to like, I'm feeling it.

• 1:03:01Rhonda Byrne?

  Oh, I know.

• 1:03:01Lewis Howes?

  It's gonna happen, you know what I mean? I know.

• 1:03:03Rhonda Byrne?

  You better be careful. You better be careful.

• 1:03:05Lewis Howes?

  I know, right?

• 1:03:06Rhonda Byrne?

  Do you wanna have children now?

• 1:03:08Lewis Howes?

  I do at the right time, yes.

• 1:03:09Rhonda Byrne?

  Okay, at the right time, okay.

• 1:03:11Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. But it's like when you feel that and you really imagine and experience that feeling, it's as if it's already happened or it's happening.

• 1:03:23Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:23Lewis Howes?

  And you're feeling it and therefore you're allowing that to come to you and you're allowing that as opposed to resisting it.

• 1:03:30Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:31Lewis Howes?

  Where this person or friend of yours was like, I really want this, come here, come here, but uh, but like it's not here yet.

• 1:03:38Rhonda Byrne?

  Cause so many, so many disappointments, you say, you know, women I know go through a lot who can't get pregnant. So there's just one disappointment after another, or maybe they got pregnant and then they miscarried. And um, somebody else, they're two, two Australian girls, uh volleyball players and they're playing in the Olympic Games. And these girls were just so brilliant, so clever. They, they were not at all the favorites, far from the favorites. They were way down the, way down the chart. And what they did was they filled their entire apartment with gold awards. They got everything gold leading up to the Olympic Games and they had gold everywhere.

• 1:04:22Rhonda Byrne?

  They bought all these awards everywhere, gold. Do you think anyone could have beaten them at the Olympic Games?

• 1:04:30Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 1:04:30Rhonda Byrne?

  No chance.

• 1:04:32Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 1:04:33Rhonda Byrne?

  The ball was going to bounce in the perfect way. They were gonna be in the exact perfect position. You see because, so when we talk about action, the kind of action that you have to do for when you have used the mind, that action's effortless.

• 1:04:57Rhonda Byrne?

  That's why writing the secret book was effortless.

• 1:05:01Rhonda Byrne?

  It's effortless, but if you go out into the world and you're like, make this happen. And you want to do all the action, oh, you're gonna struggle. Oh, it's gonna be hard.

• 1:05:10Lewis Howes?

  You might get there eventually, but it's gonna be harder than it could be.

• 1:05:13Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah, and you'll get there eventually, but you only get there eventually because you think it gradually bit by bit. That's the only reason you get there, because you had the thought, oh, things are getting better. I'm starting to see successes coming. You're having these little thoughts along the way. That's the only reason you make it. You cannot do anything in the world without thought. Nothing. You show me one invention that's happened without thought.

• 1:05:37Lewis Howes?

  Right, you have to imagine it first.

• 1:05:38Rhonda Byrne?

  Right.

• 1:05:39Lewis Howes?

  You have to come up with it in your mind, and then you alchemize and create it in the world.

• 1:05:43Rhonda Byrne?

  Exactly. Mm hmm.

• 1:05:45Lewis Howes?

  You have to think at first, yeah.

• 1:05:47Rhonda Byrne?

  Yes, so for those girls, you see, they lived with that gold and saw themselves winning gold. And so that, that, and they, I bet, if you ask them, they would say, winning that gold was effortless for them. That they just got the right breaks and everything happened the right way for them, because it would.

• 1:06:07Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 1:06:08Rhonda Byrne?

  And you know, sports people are so amazing at visualizing winning, right?

• 1:06:13Lewis Howes?

  And then it, it does look effortless for them because they are in the flow.

• 1:06:17Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:17Lewis Howes?

  They're not working hard, they're working, they're effortlessly moving to their desired result, right?

• 1:06:24Rhonda Byrne?

  Uh huh.

• 1:06:25Lewis Howes?

  How do we navigate

• 1:06:28Lewis Howes?

  the ego when, when,

• 1:06:32Lewis Howes?

  let's say when success comes our way, you know, whether these girls who win the gold medal, uh, you know, an athlete, and you selling millions of copies in the first year or months or whatever, and getting all these opportunities. How do we navigate the ego from not? Consuming us, but success actually allowing us to multiply into greater success.

• 1:06:54Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah, really good question.

• 1:06:56Lewis Howes?

  How did you navigate that?

• 1:06:58Rhonda Byrne?

  You just, you certainly have to remain humble, you know, and humble and grateful. And I think we've all seen people that have had success and then just rob, just find themselves in the most awful drama of, you know, terrible situation where they made one mistake and just everything, you know, the whole world turned against them. So you have to remain humble, otherwise truly it just, you're in for a really rough ride. And you could visualize all the most wonderful things and you could, you know, achieve all of that and manifest all of that.

• 1:07:42Rhonda Byrne?

  But if you don't remain humble, because if you, if you look at it anyway, you never did it on your own, like even if you just look at physically in the world. I mean, I knew we had the universe behind us. I felt it with every step that we took, but, but even I've got the most incredible team. I mean, we did intentions meetings at 11 o'clock every morning. And where we intended, and in those meetings, we were celebrating the secret having swept the world and having become a global phenomenon. That's what we did in those meetings.

• 1:08:19Lewis Howes?

  Before the book came out?

• 1:08:20Rhonda Byrne?

  Oh yeah, but we danced and we celebrated that. That's what you've got to do.

• 1:08:24Lewis Howes?

  You had the feeling of joy and excitement and gratitude.

• 1:08:26Rhonda Byrne?

  That it was already done.

• 1:08:27Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 1:08:28Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:30Rhonda Byrne?

  If you want to go traveling, if you want to see the world and you're like, I don't have any money, how will I ever go traveling? Straight away, law of attraction says, okay, done. You know, I don't have any money or. But if you wanna go traveling, get out your suitcase.

• 1:08:48Lewis Howes?

  This is the funniest thing you said is because my, my fiancee, um, Martha, she's Mexican and grew up in this Mexican traditions and over the holidays, I don't know. This never happened to me growing up in America, but over the holidays, they would do this thing around Christmas and New Years. Her family, and I believe this is a Mexican tradition. Uh, but her family, they'll all get out suitcases during the holidays and say, where do you wanna go next year? And then we leave the house with the suitcase and say, we're going to Japan. We walk out and we skip down the sidewalk with a suitcase.

• 1:09:28Lewis Howes?

  Me and Martha did, and then each family member does this and tells the experience of where they went. I'm going here and this is where it's gonna feel like in the experience and it's this joy and excitement talking about the trip. And we take the suitcase out the door and then we come back and we tell the experience. And we said this is last year, Japan. And now I, I believe we literally just booked our trip to Japan happening in like a month.

• 1:09:56Rhonda Byrne?

  Oh, I was gonna say, you are going to Japan.

• 1:09:58Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, it's happening. No, it's happening. We've already booked it.

• 1:10:00Rhonda Byrne?

  Wow.

• 1:10:01Lewis Howes?

  But even though I didn't know when or how, at the end of last year, we set an intention.

• 1:10:08Rhonda Byrne?

  You did.

• 1:10:09Lewis Howes?

  We celebrated it. We talked about it. And we allowed the universe to open up to see, when is this possible? How is this possible? What are we gonna be doing? Right? And things are coming to us.

• 1:10:19Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:19Lewis Howes?

  In a way that's gonna create a beautiful, magical experience.

• 1:10:22Rhonda Byrne?

  Oh, so fantastic.

• 1:10:23Lewis Howes?

  But we took our luggage out.

• 1:10:25Rhonda Byrne?

  Great story.

• 1:10:26Lewis Howes?

  This is like a Mexican tradition.

• 1:10:27Rhonda Byrne?

  This is amazing.

• 1:10:28Lewis Howes?

  So literally what you said, they do every year is really cool because it sets that intention.

• 1:10:33Rhonda Byrne?

  Yes, acting as if.

• 1:10:36Rhonda Byrne?

  Is what it is. It's acting as if you already have it. Like, I remember there was this lady who wanted to be in the audience on the Oprah show when I was going to be on there. And the audience was completely full. It was, it was booked out. But what she did was she got her suitcase out and she got a flight to Chicago. I mean, this is somebody really, really game. And she gets a call, a message on her phone when she lands in Chicago to say, "Come to the studio. We've got a seat for you." Yeah.

• 1:11:12Lewis Howes?

  But she had already intended and went there.

• 1:11:14Rhonda Byrne?

  She had to get a seat.

• 1:11:15Lewis Howes?

  This is fascinating.

• 1:11:16Rhonda Byrne?

  Cause she really, like, she really believed and knew. So acting as if, like, I, I know I wrote this in one of my books, but there was, uh, there was this woman who wanted a horse. She couldn't afford to buy a horse. So she went and bought the bridal. And she put the bridal on her table in front of her and looked at that bridal every day.

• 1:11:38Lewis Howes?

  Is that, is that the saddle? Is the bridal a saddle?

• 1:11:40Rhonda Byrne?

  The bridal, I think it's the, I'm not a really great horse.

• 1:11:42Lewis Howes?

  For like the mouthpiece?

• 1:11:43Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah, the

• 1:11:44Lewis Howes?

  Okay.

• 1:11:44Rhonda Byrne?

  The straps that go around the head, kind of thing, I think. And within a couple of weeks, she, through the, uh, uh, actually the most extraordinary set of circumstances, she got offered a horse.

• 1:11:58Lewis Howes?

  My goodness.

• 1:11:59Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah, through someone, through someone, through someone, through someone, and she got offered a horse. But of course, she was acting as if she already had the horse. She bought the bridal. So, and I always say, the universe abhors a vacuum.

• 1:12:12Lewis Howes?

  Say it again?

• 1:12:13Rhonda Byrne?

  The universe abhors a vacuum. So abhors is A B H O R S. Abhors the universe dislikes a vacuum. The, the universe can't tolerate a vacuum. It has to fill it. So if you create a vacuum, which is why, like, for all the people who want to meet their perfect partner, and you go to their house and their wardrobe is totally full and there's no room for their partner's clothes, right? And they sleep in the middle of the bed where there's their partner's sleep. Right?

• 1:12:44Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 1:12:45Rhonda Byrne?

  So you've got to create a vacuum. And so you're going to sleep on that side of the bed. So the partner sleeps there. You've got to make room in the bathroom.

• 1:12:52Lewis Howes?

  Interesting.

• 1:12:52Rhonda Byrne?

  You need to make room in the closet. You've created a vacuum. Then the, then the person can come into your life.

• 1:12:59Lewis Howes?

  That's so, it's so funny you say this as well because Martha, uh, my fiance, she When she was single, before we started dating, she bought herself a home and she was going to buy a queen sized bed. But her coach was like, well, are you trying to, you know, what type of man are you trying to attract? She was like, well, you know, a king. You know, I'm trying to attract to my king in my life, right? Not saying that I'm a king or whatever, but like, I'm trying to attract. And she was just saying, explain, what is he, what's he look like? Is he, is he short? Is he tall? Is he, you know? And she was like, nah, he's like six, four. And, uh, you know, he's an athlete and he's, he needs space, right?

• 1:13:42Lewis Howes?

  And her coach was like, well, you can't buy a, a queen or a full sized bed. If you want to attract a bigger guy, you need space. Like you said, you need to have a big. So for a number of months, she had this big king sized bed and she's tiny. She's like five, two, right? So she was, but she was sleeping on this big bed. She's like, ah, is this weird because I have this extra space? But she allowed room for me to be there as well.

• 1:14:05Rhonda Byrne?

  How amazing.

• 1:14:06Lewis Howes?

  And you hear this with.

• 1:14:07Rhonda Byrne?

  Your life is full of these.

• 1:14:08Lewis Howes?

  This is funny.

• 1:14:09Rhonda Byrne?

  So good.

• 1:14:10Lewis Howes?

  And you hear a lot of, I'm assuming, you know, mothers to be, they create rooms with a crib and they have the room ready for the, that's like creating a vacuum, right?

• 1:14:21Rhonda Byrne?

  Right, it is.

• 1:14:22Lewis Howes?

  For the baby to then arrive.

• 1:14:23Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah, good observation.

• 1:14:24Lewis Howes?

  Right? A lot of mothers do this.

• 1:14:25Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:26Lewis Howes?

  Nesting or whatever it might be, right?

• 1:14:27Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah, great observation.

• 1:14:28Lewis Howes?

  It's another example of like, okay, I'm struggling.

• 1:14:31Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:31Lewis Howes?

  Getting pregnant, but let me just intend and set the intention that there will be a child here.

• 1:14:36Rhonda Byrne?

  Yes.

• 1:14:37Lewis Howes?

  But I gotta do it before it comes.

• 1:14:39Rhonda Byrne?

  And you know what people might say? Some people might say, oh no, you might jinx it. Come on. Come on. Are you gonna believe that thought?

• 1:14:51Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 1:14:52Rhonda Byrne?

  Don't believe that thought. Don't believe any thought that you don't deserve things. You deserve everything you want. Everybody deserves everything they want and there's no shortage.

• 1:15:04Lewis Howes?

  Yes. How do we, this is a, this is a card you talk about with negative thoughts. How do we, when we want something? How do we learn to navigate the negative thoughts that come and go? Because not all of us, you know, are gonna be able to have perfect positive thoughts all day long, especially when there's challenge or breakdown or maybe some financial strain or, or, or pain, physical pain.

• 1:15:28Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:28Lewis Howes?

  So how do we navigate negative thoughts based on what you've talked about?

• 1:15:33Rhonda Byrne?

  The secret really is to become more aware of what's going on in your mind. And, and you might, to begin with, just become aware of your feelings, you know, and all of a sudden you're not feeling very good. And I, I promise you, if you're not feeling very good, it's because you've had a whole lot of negative thoughts that you've been giving your attention to. And that's why you don't feel very good. And so you need to be more, become more aware. And so, um, I just had somebody yesterday say to me that they spiraled downward in, in a particular situation. And then they kind of came out of it and they were like, why did I do that? Why did I let all of those thoughts get me down like that?

• 1:16:18Rhonda Byrne?

  And I, and I said to her, but you know what? You, what you did is amazing because you saw it. You know, even if you went down with it, you still saw it. You came out of it and you're like, look what happened. That was all negative thoughts. So.

• 1:16:35Lewis Howes?

  But you caught it. You're aware of it. You caught it.

• 1:16:37Rhonda Byrne?

  And so for me, like really early on, um, you know, I would only realize a couple of days later or, but the more that you do it, the faster that you catch it. And a negative thought feels so alien now, or negative thoughts feel so alien that.

• 1:16:59Lewis Howes?

  They're foreign to you now.

• 1:17:00Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:01Lewis Howes?

  Well, most people, it's, negative thoughts are so familiar. Because that's all they know is negative thinking.

• 1:17:06Rhonda Byrne?

  I know.

• 1:17:07Lewis Howes?

  You get in a, a trap or in a cycle of thinking. You wake up negative, you wake up frustrated, resentful, and you fall through and you go to sleep frustrated and negative thinking. And it is a familiar feeling. I've been there in the past. It just becomes a familiarity of just, everything is against me. The world is against me. This person is trying to take advantage of me. Negative, negative, negative.

• 1:17:30Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:31Lewis Howes?

  And it can feel like you're in a trap or you're stuck. It can feel extremely hard to get out of it. But the more we practice, what I'm hearing you say, the more we practice catching it and being aware of it.

• 1:17:44Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:45Lewis Howes?

  And practicing having, replacing it with a different type of positive empowering thought.

• 1:17:49Rhonda Byrne?

  That's right.

• 1:17:50Lewis Howes?

  Then the more familiar that will start to feel as well.

• 1:17:53Rhonda Byrne?

  That's right. It's just a pattern that, that is, the mind's just a program.

• 1:17:57Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 1:17:58Rhonda Byrne?

  You know, it's just a program. So it's programmed right now, based on what each of us have been putting into it. And, you know, I lived like decades with, you know, caught up in dramas. I mean, I'm really grateful to the universe that it didn't wipe me out. You know, because, oh my gosh, you know, if I think about different negative, you know, things that I'd get caught up in and talking about and, you know, gossip, like for example, is just such a negative awful thing.

• 1:18:29Lewis Howes?

  It's a low frequency energy.

• 1:18:30Rhonda Byrne?

  Very low frequency. Yeah. Really low frequency. So.

• 1:18:34Lewis Howes?

  Gossip. Yeah. It's one of the lowest frequencies, I feel like, right?

• 1:18:38Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah. Yeah, sure is.

• 1:18:40Lewis Howes?

  It doesn't empower you to attract what you want.

• 1:18:42Rhonda Byrne?

  No. And, and you know, for the law of attraction, like there's only one, you. There's only one. So it is responding to your thoughts, to your words. But there's only one, there's only you. And so whatever you say about another, you're bringing to you.

• 1:19:01Lewis Howes?

  Can you say that one more time?

• 1:19:02Rhonda Byrne?

  Okay. So for law of attraction, it's responding to thoughts, right? And so your thoughts, and you can't think a thought for me. And I can't think a thought for you, right? So law of attraction is just responding to my thoughts and it's responding to your thoughts. And so what, what it is doing is if I am talking about, oh, she's, you know, she's this, I saw her do this, I saw her, you know, and she did that to somebody else, you know, too. Uh, blah, da, da, da, da, da, this big story. You're saying all of that, all that blame. And law of attraction is giving it to you.

• 1:19:43Lewis Howes?

  Oh, man.

• 1:19:44Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah. We can't think.

• 1:19:47Rhonda Byrne?

  We can't think badly of somebody else without it affecting us. It will come back to us. Guaranteed. We're just not making the connection. You know, and so we attract blame. So we're, you know, we're blaming somebody. And then we go into work the next day and we've made the biggest mistake of all time in our job. And we're hauled into the office and the boss is going right through us. And we don't make the connection.

• 1:20:18Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 1:20:19Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:21Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:22Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah, no. Kind thoughts, kind.

• 1:20:25Lewis Howes?

  Yes, to others.

• 1:20:26Rhonda Byrne?

  Do it for you.

• 1:20:27Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 1:20:28Rhonda Byrne?

  You know.

• 1:20:28Lewis Howes?

  Because when we think about others, we're attracting to us as well.

• 1:20:32Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:33Lewis Howes?

  It's hard, but the universe can't make that distinction. Right?

• 1:20:36Rhonda Byrne?

  No.

• 1:20:37Lewis Howes?

  The difference.

• 1:20:37Rhonda Byrne?

  No, and there's only one for law of attraction. In truth, there's only one too. Overall, we feel very individual, but there is. There is only one, but for law of attraction, there's only one. And if you think about it, it has to be that way. That it's just responding here to these thoughts, to these thoughts. It's responding to these thoughts, to these thoughts. It's responding to these thoughts. It's, none of it's personal.

• 1:21:03Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 1:21:04Rhonda Byrne?

  Not personal at all. It's not saying, oh, I know you don't really want that.

• 1:21:10Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 1:21:10Rhonda Byrne?

  I'm not going to give it to you.

• 1:21:11Lewis Howes?

  But if you're speaking, we're talking about the secret manifestation cards by Rhonda Byrne. Make sure you guys get a few of these decks. There's tons of different decks out there in the world that people make. But I don't think I've seen decks, a deck this beautifully done. The design, the artistry, I know Nick was heavily involved in this.

• 1:21:33Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah, amazing team, amazing team.

• 1:21:35Lewis Howes?

  It's beautiful. I mean, I just want to like frame these. They're like pieces of art. So they are powerful. I think it's 65 cards, 65 cards. And a 16 page booklet that is in this that will give you in a moment, you pick it up, you take up the first one, you shuffle the deck.

• 1:21:55Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:55Lewis Howes?

  You're going to get inspiration.

• 1:21:56Rhonda Byrne?

  And by law of attraction, like if you wake up in the morning. And wake up in the morning and draw a card. By law of attraction, that is the most important message you need to hear in this moment.

• 1:22:08Lewis Howes?

  Let's go.

• 1:22:09Rhonda Byrne?

  Right?

• 1:22:10Lewis Howes?

  Let's go. I'm excited. I want people to get this, the secret manifestation cards.

• 1:22:15Rhonda Byrne?

  Oh, thank you.

• 1:22:15Lewis Howes?

  Make sure you get this. Um, I've got a couple of final questions for you, but people can get this at the secret.tv. I believe it's the main page where they can get it. Um, everyone's social media, the secret, uh, or the secret three, six, five is also on Instagram, but pretty much everywhere, the secret on social media and the secret.tv. Where you can sign up for the newsletter, get information about all the books that Rhonda has. The last book, The Greatest Secret is incredible. We talked about that in our previous interview.

• 1:22:45Rhonda Byrne?

  We did.

• 1:22:46Lewis Howes?

  It's incredible. Um, I have, I have a couple of final questions for you, Rhonda, but I'm, I just wanted to say before I ask them, I'm so grateful that we're doing this in person. There's an amazing energy about you that is, that is magnificent in itself. The energy, the wisdom, the passion and the joy you bring. I'm so glad we're doing this in person. I hope we can do this every year or in the future again. And just continue to have these conversations because I feel like there's an amazing flow here.

• 1:23:16Rhonda Byrne?

  I've loved every second.

• 1:23:18Lewis Howes?

  I'm very grateful you're here and I know people love hearing from you. Um, so I'm so glad that we're doing this. This is a question that I'm curious about because you've done so much and you've impacted tens of millions of lives. What do you see is next for you, you know, beyond this? Do you have a vision of what you're trying to create in the future? Or is it more, you stay very present and you allow things to come to you at this stage? Where are you at currently in your life?

• 1:23:50Rhonda Byrne?

  Um, certainly, uh, certainly I allow myself to be guided and I don't kind of make up my mind. There's a book I've been thinking about for a while and, um, for the last year and I've been doing some research on that. So that might happen. We've been doing apps. Um, and so I've been enjoying doing that with the team as well. My, I just, all I want to do is keep.

• 1:24:27Rhonda Byrne?

  Keep creating in the hope that to reach more people and to help more people have better lives.

• 1:24:35Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 1:24:35Rhonda Byrne?

  That's and so I don't even mind what shape or form that comes in. Um, just as long as it, just as long as it reaches people.

• 1:24:44Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 1:24:45Rhonda Byrne?

  Yeah, and it just, I mean, that's just what you live for, and I'm sure that is the case for you too.

• 1:24:51Lewis Howes?

  That's what I'm doing, yeah.

• 1:24:52Rhonda Byrne?

  Right, when you get that feedback, it's just absolutely amazing. And then you're like, I knew this is what I was meant to do.

• 1:24:59Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 1:25:00Rhonda Byrne?

  And isn't it a total feeling of serving is a real feeling of that, is it not?

• 1:25:07Lewis Howes?

  Hundred percent.

• 1:25:07Rhonda Byrne?

  Isn't it? Yeah.

• 1:25:08Lewis Howes?

  I guess we get a lot of fulfillment when we're in service.

• 1:25:11Rhonda Byrne?

  Of course, yeah.

• 1:25:12Lewis Howes?

  That's beautiful. I'm so excited. Well, we're here to support you, spread the message whenever you have the next book or project.

• 1:25:17Rhonda Byrne?

  Thank you.

• 1:25:18Lewis Howes?

  So we're here to do more of this. I asked you this question the last time. It's what I ask everyone towards the end of my interviews. And I'm curious if it's the same or if it's different, and we'll have to go back and hear the previous interview to see where it's at. But this question is called the three truths. So imagine a hypothetical scenario. You get to live as long as you want in this physical world, but it's the last day for you. Somewhere in the future, it's the last day. And you get to continue to create all the books, the apps, the projects, or whatever you manifest in the future. It all comes true, as it has for you in the last, you know, fifteen, twenty years. But for whatever reason, in this hypothetical scenario, you have to take everything with you.

• 1:25:59Lewis Howes?

  So no one has access to the manifestation cards, they don't have access to the movie, the secret, the book, or anything you've ever created. Hypothetical scenario. And all you get to leave behind are three lessons that you've learnt. And everything else is gone. What would be those three lessons, or what I like to call three truths for you?

• 1:26:23Rhonda Byrne?

  Well, to definitely to love everything and everyone.

• 1:26:29Rhonda Byrne?

  To be grateful for every moment and to be the joy.

• 1:26:43Lewis Howes?

  I love that. I'll make sure to link up the previous interview so we can see what you said before.

• 1:26:49Rhonda Byrne?

  It's probably similar.

• 1:26:50Lewis Howes?

  So people can watch that. I have one final question, Rhonda. Again, I want to acknowledge you for your joy, for your light, for your creativity, for showing up for yourself fully, for living a harmonious life internally so that you're able to create effortlessly in the world and be of service. It's a beautiful thing to watch. And again, I hope we get to do many more of these in the future, but I acknowledge you for the gift that you are, and I'm very grateful for the impact you've made on so many lives. So thank you for being here.

• 1:27:20Rhonda Byrne?

  Thank you so much.

• 1:27:21Lewis Howes?

  Of course. My final question is, what is your definition of greatness?

• 1:27:28Rhonda Byrne?

  Humility.

• 1:27:33Rhonda Byrne?

  That's what I would say. Yeah. Because I think if you're humble, then you've definitely got greatness inside you.

• 1:27:46Lewis Howes?

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• 1:28:30Lewis Howes?

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