LOYAL AND HORNY Ft. Owen Thiele | Episode 169

This week Drew is joined by the talented and hilarious Owen Thiele. The two unpack Owen's 13-year-old blogger era, his experience auditioning for 'Adults', being a nepo friend, E-Coli in the lake during the filming of Theater Camp, meeting Timothée Chalamet at NYU, being an insomniac and so much more! Owen’s IG: https://www.instagram.com/owenthiele?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ== Owen’s TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@owenthiele?_t=ZP-8wKv9a5brrD&_r=1 https://www.tiktok.com/@owenthiele?_t=ZP-8wKv9a5brrD&_r=1 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 0:59Speaker 02

  I thought E. coli you get from eating your own shit.

• 1:04Speaker 02

  Is that right or wrong?

• 1:12Drew Afualo?

  Hey, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the Comment Section Show, starring me, your fave, everybody knows me. Onto the guest. Today, we have the iconic, the legendary, the unbelievably talented Owen Thiel.

• 1:25Speaker 02

  That was so nice.

• 1:26Drew Afualo?

  Oh, my God, you're so welcome.

• 1:27Speaker 02

  Thank you for saying all that.

• 1:28Drew Afualo?

  That's what I do best.

• 1:29Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:29Drew Afualo?

  You know.

• 1:30Speaker 02

  You lie. Yeah, you jerk me off. But you do best, you jerk me off.

• 1:34Drew Afualo?

  Obviously.

• 1:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35Drew Afualo?

  I'm so excited to have you.

• 1:37Speaker 02

  I'm so honored to be here.

• 1:38Drew Afualo?

  You and I are sisters, obviously.

• 1:40Speaker 02

  No, no, we actually really, I really do feel connected to you.

• 1:42Drew Afualo?

  Me, too.

• 1:43Speaker 02

  Which is, yeah, which is, I, I feel like a lot of people feel connected to you, but I feel like I'm on the top of that list.

• 1:50Drew Afualo?

  For real, Sees.

• 1:51Speaker 02

  I'm on the top, sorry.

• 1:52Drew Afualo?

  That's true. Well, also, I feel like you're someone who doesn't, you know if you're not vibing with someone immediately. So I feel like when you connect, you're like, this is kindred.

• 2:01Speaker 02

  Oh, 100%. When I'm not vibing with someone, I'm getting in my car and I'm skirting away. I'm not kidding. I am like going fast as I ever could.

• 2:08Drew Afualo?

  I'm leaving.

• 2:08Speaker 02

  100%. I really, I was just at Coachella, and there was this man who was standing behind me. And you know when people get a little too close to you?

• 2:16Drew Afualo?

  Yes, of course.

• 2:17Speaker 02

  Especially at Coachella. I get it.

• 2:19Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 2:19Speaker 02

  We're all kind of, we're all wanting to watch Gaga. I get it. But also like Gaga's there, you're not getting any closer. There's a million people in front of you. Back up.

• 2:27Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, literally. It's okay. She can't see you, so it's fine.

• 2:30Speaker 02

  Totally love. She doesn't, he's yelling Gaga for her to look in his camera. I'm like, my love, we're 40 people back. She can't hear you.

• 2:38Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, no.

• 2:39Speaker 02

  She has in-ears in.

• 2:40Drew Afualo?

  She's 100 yards away, so it's alright.

• 2:43Speaker 02

  Anyways, he was so close to me and eventually I was like, I looked at him and I go, I either have to leave or you have to leave. And then he goes, you? I go, yeah, me.

• 2:51Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, you decide.

• 2:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, I go, okay, I'll leave.

• 2:54Drew Afualo?

  We were both at Coachella. How was your Coachella experience, girl? Cause Miss Owen is popular. Owen was all over the place.

• 3:01Speaker 02

  No.

• 3:02Drew Afualo?

  Cause Owen has two successful shows coming out. Whatever.

• 3:04Speaker 02

  Whatever. No, no.

• 3:06Drew Afualo?

  Very exciting though.

• 3:06Speaker 02

  Um, thank you. Um, I was there for overcompensating.

• 3:10Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 3:11Speaker 02

  Um, one of the, one of the two shows I'm, I'm on.

• 3:14Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, the two ones that are coming out, girl.

• 3:17Speaker 02

  I'm a very small part in overcompensating, but I'm very, it's a friend of mine made it, so he put me in it.

• 3:22Drew Afualo?

  Who we both, who we both love.

• 3:24Speaker 02

  I love him.

• 3:24Drew Afualo?

  We love Benny.

• 3:25Speaker 02

  We love Benny.

• 3:26Drew Afualo?

  He's the best.

• 3:27Speaker 02

  He's actually the most wonderful person.

• 3:28Drew Afualo?

  And Mary Beth, I love her too.

• 3:30Speaker 02

  I love her. I love, I love Ride. I love, I'm, I'm just obsessed with them.

• 3:33Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 3:34Speaker 02

  Um, but he very kindly put me in a show and because he was like, you don't really have anything on the horizon. Pop into my show. I was like, totally thanks.

• 3:42Drew Afualo?

  Shut up.

• 3:43Speaker 02

  So he put me in a show and I was like, oh my God, I'll, I'll do any press with you because

• 3:48Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 3:48Speaker 02

  I'm obsessed with you and I just want to hang with you.

• 3:50Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 3:50Speaker 02

  So he brought me to Coachella to, he did this like overcompensating house and he invited, like it was a party.

• 3:57Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 3:58Speaker 02

  Essentially a party. I, my publicists are gonna kill me for saying this. I got too drunk.

• 4:06Speaker 02

  At a press event and now looking back, I'm like, that was work. I should have been a little more professional. But it was a party to me.

• 4:12Drew Afualo?

  It's really hard. It's like, it's really hard to split hairs because all your besties are there too.

• 4:17Speaker 02

  One, all my besties were there. Two, they gave us, I'm not kidding, a server for the cast. So the server would come up and be like, hey, Owen, do you need anything else? So obviously every time the server would come over, I would feel bad. So I would say, yeah, I'll take another tequila. Thank you so much. I don't want him to walk away and not do anything. You know what I mean? I want him to have something to do.

• 4:38Drew Afualo?

  I feel bad.

• 4:39Speaker 02

  I feel bad. So he kept bringing me tequilas.

• 4:42Drew Afualo?

  Right. Did one too many tequilas?

• 4:44Speaker 02

  Seven tequilas in, I'm like, hey, Ben, I'm probably gonna go home soon. And he's like, yeah, that's probably for the best.

• 4:52Speaker 02

  Disaster.

• 4:53Drew Afualo?

  But I'm sure it was fun though.

• 4:54Speaker 02

  It was so much fun, but I think getting drunk during the day is not for me.

• 4:58Drew Afualo?

  No, at our big age, girl.

• 5:00Speaker 02

  I'm not doing that.

• 5:00Drew Afualo?

  It's bad. Bad news bears.

• 5:02Speaker 02

  Not doing that. Did you, did you, do you drink? Yeah.

• 5:05Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I do. I'd prefer to smoke weed, but like, I do drink. And at Coachella, I was drinking. And I also had tequila, but I didn't drink a ton because I was like, I would prefer to be high. So I was like, oh yeah, I'll do a couple of shots. And then when I started getting a little too, a little too loose with it, I was, you know, when like, it's almost like the, the 30 year old version of yourself pops in and they're like, hey, we can't be doing this. And that's when I'm like, you're right, you're right. I need to drink electrolytes. Like, I'm like talking to myself.

• 5:33Speaker 02

  100%, 100%.

• 5:36Drew Afualo?

  I should be prioritizing my hydration. You're right.

• 5:38Speaker 02

  No, my future self pops up. My 50 year old self is like, hey, Owen, you're gonna resent, you're gonna regret this. You're gonna really look at your face in a few years and be like, why did I drink that extra shot?

• 5:48Drew Afualo?

  For real.

• 5:49Speaker 02

  I get so puffy and I look instantly like I've drank.

• 5:54Drew Afualo?

  You like can't hide it?

• 5:55Speaker 02

  No, you could tell immediate, one shot in, my boyfriend's like, so you're drunk? Yeah, my eyes are crossing immediately. I'm like, it's a disaster.

• 6:02Drew Afualo?

  I know. I feel like I'm an extra lightweight now too, now that I'm older.

• 6:06Speaker 02

  Wait, to, is that a thing?

• 6:07Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I think so. Also, just also decreasing how we drink, how much we drink. Cause when I was younger, I could drink like a fucking champ. I could drink like a motherfucker. I would drink, that kind of drinking would put me in the hospital now. If I did that now, I'd be, I'd be out of commission for like a month.

• 6:24Speaker 02

  I was drinking like eight shots and being like. I'm fine.

• 6:28Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and then be like, alright, then now let's go to the party.

• 6:30Speaker 02

  No, totally, exactly. Oh, now I feel a little loose.

• 6:34Drew Afualo?

  I know. Now when my friends say dinner's at like 8pm, I'm like, that's so late. You guys don't want to meet earlier?

• 6:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. My friends who are my age are in their pregame era again, where they're like pre-gaming dinner. And I'm like, wait, is the, is the pregame the dinner? And they're like, no, no, we have dinner after. I'm like, I'll just come to the pregame then.

• 6:55Drew Afualo?

  Girl, I'm not gonna make it to the dinner, girl.

• 6:56Speaker 02

  Totally, I'm not, first of all.

• 6:57Drew Afualo?

  We pregame.

• 6:58Speaker 02

  I'm gonna be drunk, first of all. Second of all, it's late.

• 7:01Drew Afualo?

  When I get drunk like that too, I like, after a while, I'm like, I gotta go lay down. And I just go to, and I'll disappear and I'll go to sleep. I don't give a fuck.

• 7:10Speaker 02

  No, Drew.

• 7:11Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I just, I'll leave and I'll be like, yeah, no, I'll be right back. And then they'll find me and I'm sleeping somewhere.

• 7:15Speaker 02

  I'm obsessed with that.

• 7:17Drew Afualo?

  I'm like, I have to go close my eyes.

• 7:19Speaker 02

  I am fully inviting you to a party, and I, I'm leaving the door open and I will find you the next morning in my bed. I'll be like, wait, you were here?

• 7:26Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, when I was in college, literally, after a while, my friends would be like, I can't find Drew. Ah, she's probably laying down. Cause I just always be like, well, it's time for bed. Now I'm gonna go lay down.

• 7:34Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 7:34Drew Afualo?

  Time for bed.

• 7:35Speaker 02

  Sorry. Sorry, I, I love, I don't sleep. Famously, I sleep like two hours a night.

• 7:40Drew Afualo?

  I know that about you, but you're a vampire.

• 7:43Speaker 02

  I'm a vampire.

• 7:43Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, you just, you sleep standing up, probably.

• 7:47Speaker 02

  At Coachella, I was. I will tell you this, when, when, it's so much waiting for the artist to come out.

• 7:52Drew Afualo?

  For real.

• 7:52Speaker 02

  And then finally they come out and then it's adrenaline hits. But before that time, the five minutes, honey, that is a good time to sleep. My eyes were, I was, my eyes were open, but I was emotionally gone.

• 8:04Drew Afualo?

  Day one, I, I think the first act we saw was the Marias.

• 8:07Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 8:08Drew Afualo?

  So, and they're at 6pm, so that's when we got there. And I had, I had taken edibles before I went, so I was like, I wanna be chillin' when I get there. And then I took, I felt like, all the environment, I got the scaries a little bit.

• 8:21Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 8:22Drew Afualo?

  So when I got the scaries, I was like, I gotta be chill because I don't wanna ruin anybody else's time. But thankfully, the Marias' music is like, nice and chill and vibey.

• 8:30Speaker 02

  It's a great place to have a scary.

• 8:32Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, the scaries for real, to get past my scaries.

• 8:34Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 8:35Drew Afualo?

  So I had to sit down on the grass and I was like, you're okay, you're fine. I'm like talking to myself, I look insane, like I was doing meth. And I'm telling, I'm telling myself, you're okay, you're good, everything's fine. I'm like talking to myself.

• 8:45Speaker 02

  People are coming up to you for pictures?

• 8:48Drew Afualo?

  They're like, she looks like she's-

• 8:49Speaker 02

  You're like, if you can come down here.

• 8:50Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and it probably looks like I'm, it looks like I'm vibing like this, when I'm literally going, "You're okay, you're okay, no panicking. We're not gonna panic, we're gonna be fine." And then, right after that, we walked to Missy Elliott, because we were like, right there.

• 9:00Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 9:01Drew Afualo?

  And when we went to Missy Elliott, as soon as I got out there, I was like, walking next to my man, and he was like, "Are you, how you feeling? Are you good?" And I was like, "Yeah, I had the scaries back there, but I'm ready to party now. Now we're in the fun part." Woo!

• 9:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, I totally, I totally know. I, the first time I ever went to Coachella,

• 9:18Drew Afualo?

  Mm-hmm.

• 9:18Speaker 02

  I went with my father, who, by the way, it sounded like it was like, a sexual thing for some reason-

• 9:24Drew Afualo?

  I thought it would sound like a field trip.

• 9:25Speaker 02

  Oh, great.

• 9:25Drew Afualo?

  Me and my dad.

• 9:26Speaker 02

  Okay, I don't know why "father" to me sounded so weird. I always say "dad."

• 9:29Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 9:30Speaker 02

  But I guess, or "daddy," my mom texted me the other day in a group chat with a friend, and said, "Daddy needs you to text him back." I was like, "You can't say daddy about my dad, no!" Okay, anyways, um, I went with my father to Coachella, first year, and I was with a, I, I brought a friend, and the friend got, um, an edible from her, her hairdresser. And, it's a long story, but anyways, she was like, "Okay, I'm 5'1", it was a, it was like a hubby bar. She was like, "I'm 5'1, so I'm gonna take one square, square. You're 6'4, so just eat the rest." And I was like, "Okay," so ate the whole bar.

• 10:06Drew Afualo?

  Famously terrible advice.

• 10:08Speaker 02

  I'm not kidding, I was in this Sahara town, and suddenly, every single person around me was green. And I was like, "Oh, I'm in Wicked." "Oh, Wicked came out early, Cynthia's here." I was freaking out. All of a sudden, on a stretcher, all of a sudden, at home. That's all I remember. Literally, all I remember.

• 10:25Drew Afualo?

  It's like, you're opening, you're opening, you're on a stretcher-

• 10:27Speaker 02

  Totally, literally!

• 10:28Drew Afualo?

  And then you're at home.

• 10:29Speaker 02

  Suddenly, opening my eyes, McDonald's next to me, I'm thrilled.

• 10:31Drew Afualo?

  Girl, you're all, "Did I have fun at least?"

• 10:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, literally, literally. My dad's like, "You probably don't wanna go back tomorrow." And I looked at him and I said, "I'm obviously going back tomorrow."

• 10:40Drew Afualo?

  Obviously dad.

• 10:40Speaker 02

  And now I know to just take one square.

• 10:42Drew Afualo?

  So just take the rest.

• 10:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:45Drew Afualo?

  Well, tell me, let's talk about your shows. I would love to talk about the shows coming. Obviously, we talked about overcompensating.

• 10:49Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 10:50Drew Afualo?

  But I'd love to know about your other fun show.

• 10:54Speaker 02

  I'm obsessed with it. I actually, I haven't seen any of it.

• 10:57Drew Afualo?

  But you obviously filmed it, so.

• 10:59Speaker 02

  But I was in it, filming it. So, it's about five best friends who all live in one house in New York. And we're kind of navigating life together, figuring out how to become an adult. It's called adults fun.

• 11:14Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 11:15Speaker 02

  And we're really bad at it. We're really bad at becoming an adult, which is kind of how I feel.

• 11:22Drew Afualo?

  The whole experience of being an adult, yeah.

• 11:23Speaker 02

  So I was like, oh, I can tap into this. I was like, can I improv? I know some things. It was great. It was, it was four people I had no, I didn't know them before. They're amazing actors, but they hadn't been in that much. And also, I, they, one lived, they all live in New York now, but one lived in Australia. Like, they're just from all over.

• 11:41Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 11:41Speaker 02

  And it was so amazing to, to become friends with them on set because we had to play best friends.

• 11:47Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 11:48Speaker 02

  And then suddenly, like, I'm like, oh, I actually know you. Oh, actually, I know you really well. Oh, my God, you're actually my best friend. Like, it was actually a beautiful thing.

• 11:56Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I want, that's what I was gonna ask about, how your experience was filming it. And like, being, also, in being a principal cast in something, how exciting.

• 12:05Speaker 02

  It was, it was amazing.

• 12:06Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 12:06Speaker 02

  It was cool. It was my first time doing it.

• 12:08Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 12:08Speaker 02

  Usually, I call myself a nepo friend because all of my friends somehow make these movies, and I beg them to cast me in it. And I'm like, no, I will not audition.

• 12:17Drew Afualo?

  Owen is so self-deprecating. You are very talented.

• 12:19Speaker 02

  Thank you, thank you. But, but also, my friends do cast me in their stuff.

• 12:24Drew Afualo?

  Well, and that's a beautiful thing because artists love artists, that's why. And you know, you know too, especially, especially the people you're friends with, they would not put you if you sucked ass.

• 12:34Speaker 02

  I think that's true. I think, I think.

• 12:35Drew Afualo?

  You know damn well they wouldn't put you in there if you were bad.

• 12:39Speaker 02

  I think there's a. I was in a movie theater camp and Molly Gordon was directing it and she's my best friend in the world and I'm obsessed with her. And there was one part, she asked me to improv this thing and I kept talking about heroin and there were kids there and I kept just bringing up heroin. And Molly from behind the camera was like, hey ditch the heroin talk. She was like, what's going on? And I think in that moment, she was like, I can't hire my friends. She was like, I don't know what's happening.

• 13:03Drew Afualo?

  See what happens when I hire in-house.

• 13:05Speaker 02

  She's like, fucking hell. But other than that, I think, I think I've done okay.

• 13:10Drew Afualo?

  I think that's a wonder. I honestly think that's the best friend to have is a friend that's honest with you in a very loving way. But also that's why I was saying like my artist friends like they do not mince words like if I, if I'm like, hey, cause like Caleb, Caleb Heron.

• 13:24Speaker 02

  Love.

• 13:25Drew Afualo?

  When I was running my, my stand-up by him, I was like running it by him and we were on Zoom, I like would read him a couple of jokes. And some of the jokes I read him, he'd be like, anything else or is that it? I was like, no, yeah, yeah.

• 13:39Speaker 02

  I have chills. I have chills. I know it. I know that.

• 13:42Drew Afualo?

  Cause I would love, and even like, I've started like tinkering with DJing.

• 13:46Speaker 02

  Wait, what?

• 13:46Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I'm just trying to, you know, I'm just, I'm just wearing all kinds of hats. Wait, cause.

• 13:51Speaker 02

  This is amazing. What? Who are you showing? You're showing Diplo on Zoom? You're DJing?

• 13:55Drew Afualo?

  Fuck no.

• 13:56Speaker 02

  Wait, what? What? Tell me everything.

• 13:57Drew Afualo?

  I'm just, I'm trying to teach myself how to DJ and I, I think part of it is like a vengeance plot of my own because I can't sing. So, and for some reason I have been asked to audition for singing roles a few times and I'm like, I, I can't fucking sing. I get so frustrated. I'm like, just give me something else, anything else. I mean, I'm not.

• 14:16Speaker 02

  Somebody who says they can't sing so vehemently, I'm like, you can sing.

• 14:19Drew Afualo?

  And I'm being, and I'm being very literal and I, and I don't mean I'm tone deaf. I just like, I'm not like a.

• 14:25Speaker 02

  You can sing.

• 14:25Drew Afualo?

  You know what I mean? I'm not like a songbird.

• 14:27Speaker 02

  Put a little auto-tune, it's SZA. I'm not kidding. I'm, I'm not kidding. I am not kidding, I love it.

• 14:34Drew Afualo?

  It's, and so when I, when I thought about DJing, I was like, well, I love to curate a vibe.

• 14:39Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 14:40Drew Afualo?

  And

• 14:40Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 14:41Drew Afualo?

  I'm gonna make my way into that music industry, whether they want me or not. So I was like, everybody DJs, I'll just DJ. So like, I literally got DJing gifts for Christmas and like, both my, it's so funny, my parents and my fiance got me the same DJ table for Christmas, but they didn't talk to each other, so I got one and I've been like tinkering with it, trying to teach myself how to do mixes and shit, so I-

• 15:02Speaker 02

  It's hard, it's actually hard.

• 15:03Drew Afualo?

  It's fucking hard.

• 15:04Speaker 02

  I'm sorry, we have to actually like, I know DJ, being a DJ is like embar- like people were embarrassed about it first, like-

• 15:09Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 15:10Speaker 02

  They were like, no, that's not real music. I'm sorry, that shit's hard.

• 15:13Drew Afualo?

  No, it's fucking hard. I was like-

• 15:15Speaker 02

  Martin Garrix?

• 15:16Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I was like-

• 15:16Speaker 02

  You are good at your job.

• 15:17Drew Afualo?

  Is there a DJ where I just cue songs on Spotify? I was like, that's the kind of DJ I'd be.

• 15:23Speaker 02

  My boyfriend's Spotify has like, I don't know what setting he used, I think it's literally DJ setting, where it like mixes one song into the next, and every time he's in the car, people are like, shit, sick mix.

• 15:37Drew Afualo?

  See, that's what I'm trying to be, that's, that's the type of shit I'm trying to be on.

• 15:40Speaker 02

  And by the way, two songs that don't work together, you're having like no scrubs and like a really sad Celine Dion song, and everyone's like, sick mix.

• 15:51Drew Afualo?

  And I, I was like videoing myself practicing the first time I was fucking with it, and I sent it to Brittany. Uh, I texted to her and then she was like, hey, let's get back in that booth, practice again. Hey, yeah, let's go ahead and turn the volume all the way down, perfect.

• 16:06Speaker 02

  I am actually done.

• 16:07Drew Afualo?

  I'm practicing still. I was like, these are the first infancy stages of me.

• 16:13Speaker 02

  Aren't those amazing friends to have?

• 16:14Drew Afualo?

  Yes, absolutely.

• 16:16Speaker 02

  The ones that actually just tell you how it is. Thank God for them.

• 16:17Drew Afualo?

  I know all of your friends are so talented, just like you are, and that's why I know they wouldn't cast you.

• 16:22Speaker 02

  Well, they're also no bullshit, like me.

• 16:24Drew Afualo?

  Exactly, that's why I was like, there's no way they'd be cast, they'd be like, I love you so much, no.

• 16:29Speaker 02

  No.

• 16:31Speaker 02

  By the way, that's happened to me. There's, there's been roles that I've, like Molly Gordon just did another mov- me just begging Molly Gordon to cast me in anything. Molly Gordon just did this other movie where she has, it's her and a love interest.

• 16:43Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 16:43Speaker 02

  And I looked at her dead serious and I was like, I can play straight. And she looks at me and she goes, no, you can't.

• 16:51Speaker 02

  I was like, totally good friend.

• 16:53Drew Afualo?

  You said that and she goes, who can?

• 16:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 16:55Drew Afualo?

  Not you. I know you're not talking about you.

• 17:00Speaker 02

  Who's I? You said I?

• 17:01Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 17:02Speaker 02

  I. She goes, no, sorry.

• 17:04Drew Afualo?

  What the fuck?

• 17:05Speaker 02

  It's really funny.

• 17:06Drew Afualo?

  But how has the auditioning process and stuff been for you? How's that been? I was asking for tips last time we hung out.

• 17:13Speaker 02

  Oh, and I didn't have any. It's, it's, auditioning is horrible.

• 17:18Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 17:19Speaker 02

  And I, I hate to be that person that's like, we have such a hard job.

• 17:24Drew Afualo?

  I know, for real.

• 17:25Speaker 02

  Because we don't, but I'm sorry, auditioning is hell.

• 17:28Drew Afualo?

  It is, really.

• 17:29Speaker 02

  Horrible. And for adults, I was, I mean, I got the role, so thank God.

• 17:35Drew Afualo?

  Thankfully, yes.

• 17:35Speaker 02

  Thank God. But, but also, it was, I was put in a room with, it was like old school auditioning. Right now, a lot of auditions are on Zoom.

• 17:43Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 17:43Speaker 02

  Which makes it so easy because you log off and then you can eat a bowl of cereal in the comfort of your own home and turn on the Kardashians. This is like, this was like, I flew to New York, I was in a room with people who were like better versions of me and who I like stalked online for years being like, fuck, they got that role, fuck. You know, like, and they're all in this room with me and I'm like, have to act cool.

• 18:02Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 18:02Speaker 02

  And so I'm like, hi, I've never heard of you before, I'm Owen. Meanwhile, it's like they're in my search.

• 18:06Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, for real, yeah.

• 18:08Speaker 02

  I've looked them up on IMDb every second of every day. And it was just hard. It was like, you go into a room, you're like in front of these, this panel, it's like, it's like America's Next Top Model, it's like hard.

• 18:19Drew Afualo?

  She's like, I only have seven photos in my hands.

• 18:22Speaker 02

  Literally, literally. It was, it was scary, but it was, it was such an amazing experience. We shot adults in Toronto, which I've never been to. Have you been to Toronto?

• 18:32Drew Afualo?

  I, no, I've never been to Toronto, I've been to Vancouver.

• 18:35Speaker 02

  Vancouver's gorgeous.

• 18:35Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. How was Toronto?

• 18:37Speaker 02

  Well, Vancouver, I heard, my friend's from Vancouver and she's like a surfer and she like skates and she's like hot and outdoorsy and cool and she's like, that's what Vancouver gives. And then Toronto's like New York, like a city, which I love.

• 18:51Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that's more your vibe.

• 18:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not a camper, love. So I liked Toronto because it was a lot of shopping.

• 18:57Drew Afualo?

  Nice, period.

• 18:58Speaker 02

  And food.

• 18:59Drew Afualo?

  Period.

• 19:00Speaker 02

  So I liked it.

• 19:00Drew Afualo?

  We love that.

• 19:01Speaker 02

  But I think a lot of people from Vancouver don't like Toronto.

• 19:05Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I think so. They have a lot of inner, inner city beef. Yeah, there's some inner city beef going on up there.

• 19:11Speaker 02

  Anyways, I love both their cities. Anyone listening, I like both of you guys.

• 19:15Drew Afualo?

  No beef here.

• 19:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry.

• 19:16Drew Afualo?

  I'm not picking.

• 19:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 19:19Drew Afualo?

  Well, what are you excited, uh, what are you like excited for people to see when it comes to adults? Like, is there anything in particular excited about your character or any particular episode? Well, no spoilers, obviously.

• 19:29Speaker 02

  No spo- I spoil the whole thing. I'm like, well, I, uh, I almost went really dark and really scary about a fake spoiler that I will not say now.

• 19:37Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 19:38Speaker 02

  Um, adults, I think, hopefully if we did our job right, it's just like a really fun watch. Um, and hopefully it feels like a, a good sitcom that you just like love to like, uh, I, I think w- we grew up watching Friends and

• 19:52Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 19:53Speaker 02

  Not to compare this with Friends at all, the 20 season genius show, but I just think it, it hopefully it gives that same vibe where it's just you're laughing and also you're like, you like the characters. I play a version of myself. Um, so if you don't like me, you might not like my character. In the show, I'm a little more emotionally guarded than how I am in real life. I'm ve- I'm like an open book, but in the show, I'm kind of figuring that out. And that's my journey towards adulthood is actually figuring out how to be more, you know, open, um, with the world, which is great. And I think my favorite episode to shoot was, I don't know if I can give this away, but I'm gonna do it. And then if I cut it, we cut it. Um, I, I, in the show, I become, I'm friends with everyone.

• 20:37Speaker 02

  I'm like a people pleaser, but and, and, uh, they call me a friend slut. And I'm like, literally like, we'll say hi to everyone and go to dinner with anyone who says hi to me, which is not too far off from me. But if I don't like you, I'll leave the dinner.

• 20:48Drew Afualo?

  That's true.

• 20:49Speaker 02

  That's me. This character is not that.

• 20:51Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 20:52Speaker 02

  Anyways, um, I become friends with this man who later become, we, we find out is a subway stabber, has stabbed someone on the subway. And he's like literally sitting at our table and I'm like, oh my God, I just saw you on the news. So that's really fun. I, that's, I think, my favorite episode.

• 21:06Drew Afualo?

  Oh, that's so sweet. I love that. And I think that's Really cool what you said about it being like a feel good show that feels like you can relate to them and see yourself. Especially because when I I talked to Quinta Brunson at the Golden Globes earlier this year.

• 21:21Speaker 02

  Oh, I know. I saw that interview.

• 21:22Drew Afualo?

  Oh, yeah. And I asked her, what do you want to see more of in TV and film? And she was like, I want to see more like fun, like more silly, more like kind of like friend loving like kind of energy and shows because obviously we have a lot of serious shows, which are great too and dramatic and that's great too. But like good comedy shows.

• 21:38Speaker 02

  Totally. I I think I we had so many of them.

• 21:41Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 21:42Speaker 02

  So many amazing movies like Will Ferrell was starring in so much great shit back. You know what I mean? Like Elf was out like where's Elf now? Like I want my Elf.

• 21:51Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 21:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think that we're just we're we're lacking in that category. And we have, thank God for shows like Hacks and Only Murders in the Building and the other two and all of these great shows, but they're slowly like leaving the air.

• 22:03Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 22:04Speaker 02

  You're seeing the saddest thing is watching the comedy that you love, like driving by a poster that's like the final season. I'm like, what? I just got into this. It's so sad. So hopefully this is that feel good show for people. I'm hoping. I'm hoping people will smoke some weed, take an edible.

• 22:21Drew Afualo?

  And you're describing my Friday night. So I'm there. Actually, my everyday night, if I'm being honest. What's your dream role? What would be a dream role for you?

• 22:30Drew Afualo?

  Whether it's like TV show or movie.

• 22:32Speaker 02

  Can I tell you something? I would love to be in an animated movie.

• 22:35Drew Afualo?

  Oh, I think you would kill in an animated movie.

• 22:37Speaker 02

  To be in an animated.

• 22:38Drew Afualo?

  Like adult animation or like Pixar kind of deal?

• 22:41Speaker 02

  I mean Pixar probably because the big bucks. I'll be paid the big bucks. No, I would. I think adult animation. Like I love. I I just I I want to be like a little gopher or something that like fucks.

• 22:55Drew Afualo?

  Like a Big Mouth or something.

• 22:57Speaker 02

  Totally. I love Big Mouth.

• 22:58Drew Afualo?

  So good in something like that.

• 22:59Speaker 02

  Nick Kroll, executive produced adults. So.

• 23:02Drew Afualo?

  Oh, that's cool. I didn't know that.

• 23:04Speaker 02

  Amazing. Wonderful. And I was I tried to sidle up to him a few times on set and was like.

• 23:10Drew Afualo?

  Grease the wheels.

• 23:11Speaker 02

  Big Mouth. And then he eventually looked at me and said, yes, you'd be great on Big Mouth if it wasn't ending. It's ending this season. I was like, fuck.

• 23:21Drew Afualo?

  Well, now you're telling me.

• 23:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. Shit. I could have been on it for the last eight seasons. Like, what the fuck? Um, it's, I love Big Mouth.

• 23:30Drew Afualo?

  Oh, that's so cool.

• 23:31Speaker 02

  So I would do something like that, I think. That would be like...

• 23:33Drew Afualo?

  I think you would kill at something like that.

• 23:35Speaker 02

  I also like, this sounds absolutely insane and I should be so lucky, but there's something about seeing your... I'm doing ADR for adults right now and going in and seeing yourself on screen and I'm like, "Ah, I don't like that. I'd rather like, voice a gopher." You know what I mean? Like, because then you're like, "Oh, make the gopher's cute. Oh, it's fine if you make the gopher ugly." Like, you don't care. You know what I mean? It's not a reflection.

• 23:56Drew Afualo?

  I know, you're freaking me out, honestly. Because I had to get used to seeing myself all the time in the way I do now.

• 24:01Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 24:02Drew Afualo?

  If I started acting, because now, I told you already, I'm working on acting, now I'm gonna see myself in a diff... Some lenses, I'm like, "You hate me."

• 24:10Speaker 02

  Oh, 100%. By the way, some friend's lenses. A friend just took a picture of me. He was like, "Owen, I want to take some press photos of you." I was like, "This is a ma- free press fo- great." Delete. I'm not getting M-block. I'm not getting Block you as a friend. I couldn't believe the photos he took. How rude. No, seriously, they're really offensive. I, I, I don't know what he thought, what he thought of. I was.

• 24:33Drew Afualo?

  Are you mad at me or something?

• 24:35Speaker 02

  No, literally. I did something to your mother. I don't know what I did, though. I'm trying to figure. It was so rude.

• 24:40Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I know. There's some pictures, like, some lenses, I'm like, "Oh, man, I probably look terrible." And then when I watch it back, I'm like, "Oh, my God, I look stunning."

• 24:47Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 24:48Drew Afualo?

  And then some, I'm like, "I felt so good that day." And I watch it back and I'm like, "Oh, my God. You guys just let me leave the house looking like that?"

• 24:54Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 24:55Drew Afualo?

  Oh, Jesus Christ.

• 24:56Speaker 02

  It's so mean. And then there's the worst, which is when a friend takes a photo of you.

• 25:00Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 25:00Speaker 02

  Sends it to you, and it's already face tuned. And you're like, "Wait, what?" You're like, "You really think I needed it? Can I see the original?" You're like, "I looked that bad."

• 25:10Drew Afualo?

  Hey, what do I look like?

• 25:11Speaker 02

  Why do it, it's like a face app. I'm like Kiss 2, I'm like Hollywood 4. I'm like, looking like insane.

• 25:18Drew Afualo?

  It's that bold glamour filter.

• 25:20Speaker 02

  Totally, totally, totally. I'm like, I have eyelashes to the sea. I'm like, I don't think I have my eyelashes intact. Like, why'd you put them on me? It's really offensive.

• 25:28Drew Afualo?

  I think you would kill in an animated movie.

• 25:29Speaker 02

  Right? What's your dream role?

• 25:32Drew Afualo?

  I don't know, honestly. I'm like, just cast me in anything at this fucking point. I'm like, whatever The Rock doesn't want, you can cast me. We're both the same build. It's like, or Jason Momoa, we're both the same. We look the same from time. Honestly, I think, I think we talked about it on your show when I went on your show too. I would love to do something like, like in Abbott or like, something like Adults 2 would be so fun. Like something new and, and lighthearted and funny.

• 25:53Speaker 02

  Season 2.

• 25:54Drew Afualo?

  Okay, T, let me know. Well, I know half the people on that cast, I would hope so.

• 25:58Speaker 02

  Wait, literally, literally. No, you were so funny when you came on my show. You were, I was like, what's your dream role? And you were like, I still remember it. It makes me laugh to this day. You're like, um, you're like, either Abbott Elementary or, um, and then you said, I think you said Pirates.

• 26:14Drew Afualo?

  Oh, House of the Dragon.

• 26:14Speaker 02

  House of the Dragon. Either Abbott Elementary or House of the Dragon. I was like.

• 26:20Drew Afualo?

  No, you were like, Disney or Pirates of the Caribbean.

• 26:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, I literally, I was like, what?

• 26:24Drew Afualo?

  New Girl or Pirates.

• 26:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, literally. The Office or, um, hmm, The Hulk. Like, what?

• 26:33Drew Afualo?

  For real. Oh, my God. I'm like, uh, The Office or Triangle of Sadness. Either of those, I'd be super into it.

• 26:39Speaker 02

  By the way, those two kind of overlap. I see the Venn diagram somewhere. I see it.

• 26:44Drew Afualo?

  I know, I, I feel like at this point, I'm just like, I'll take anything.

• 26:48Speaker 02

  I hear you.

• 26:48Drew Afualo?

  Anything anyone needs me for, you go ahead, let me know.

• 26:51Speaker 02

  Do you watch movies?

• 27:21Speaker 00

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• 27:58Drew Afualo?

  I'm like, yeah. We were talking about Chris Fleming earlier, how much we love him.

• 28:03Speaker 02

  I'm obsessed.

• 28:03Drew Afualo?

  Chris Fleming once described himself as a culture scavenger. He said, I just, when everybody's done and no one's talked about it for 20 years, I go and I rifle through the garbage like a little raccoon and I pick them up and I'm like, now I'm gonna watch this.

• 28:17Speaker 02

  Wait, I'm obsessed.

• 28:18Drew Afualo?

  And I was like, that's honestly how I watch movies, I feel like. And I think it's, especially when I'm working a lot, I watch the same things.

• 28:24Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 28:25Drew Afualo?

  All the time.

• 28:26Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 28:26Drew Afualo?

  Just as like, almost background noise at that point. And then when I finally take a break, that's when I try to watch new things.

• 28:33Speaker 02

  I hear you. I'm kind of a culture scavenger as well.

• 28:37Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, like, I watch it so late, like way after everybody else.

• 28:40Speaker 02

  I literally texted my boyfriend the other day and I said, have you seen Making a Murderer? Which, by the way, came out in literally 20. I was like, this is a brilliant film. Carole Baskin. I literally was like, Carole Baskin, where is she? And my boyfriend was like, you miss like, so much of pop. Like, Hailey Bieber dressed up as her for Halloween eight years.

• 28:58Drew Afualo?

  What if you were like, you literally were like, why is nobody talking about this?

• 29:03Speaker 02

  Literally, literally.

• 29:03Drew Afualo?

  No one's talking about this piece of literature, this media.

• 29:07Speaker 02

  Brilliant. No, I'm, I'm sort of like that.

• 29:09Drew Afualo?

  I love that. That's why we're so alike.

• 29:11Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 29:12Drew Afualo?

  We have so much in common.

• 29:12Speaker 02

  Well, we can watch like 30 Rock for the first time together.

• 29:15Drew Afualo?

  I know, for real. I was like, sometimes people ask me like, the most obvious and basic films or TV shows. They're like, oh, you've seen, like, I don't know, The Godfather, right? And I'm like, no.

• 29:26Speaker 02

  No.

• 29:26Drew Afualo?

  And I was just talking to my friend Kendall and she was saying, sometimes I lie and I just say, yeah, because I don't want to do the whole part where they go, you gotta watch it.

• 29:34Speaker 02

  Oh, a hundred.

• 29:35Drew Afualo?

  I do have to watch it.

• 29:37Speaker 02

  I always lie. No, I always, about every single TV show. I, I, I blatantly, blatantly lied on my podcast the other day. About White Lotus, somebody asked me about it and I was like, I love it, I love Walt and Goggins. I, I blatantly lied. Like, I was like, Amy Lou Woods is a genius. I think she is, never seen her. I, I, I, yeah.

• 29:56Drew Afualo?

  From what I've heard.

• 29:57Speaker 02

  By the way, now people are gonna know I lied in that episode. There you go.

• 30:00Drew Afualo?

  Well, movie magic.

• 30:02Speaker 02

  Totally, movie magic. I watched it, I promise. No, I, I always lie.

• 30:07Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, me too, about stuff like that, cuz it's harmless. Also, The White Lotus, I had never watched The White Lotus either, I hosted the premiere. I've never watched that show. Big fan, big fan.

• 30:18Speaker 02

  Never seen it.

• 30:19Drew Afualo?

  Never seen it.

• 30:19Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 30:20Drew Afualo?

  Huge fan, though.

• 30:20Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 30:21Drew Afualo?

  And I'm honestly glad I did this season, this season popped off, everybody was so excited and happy about it. Everybody loved it.

• 30:26Speaker 02

  It's amazing if we had watched it.

• 30:28Drew Afualo?

  And you know, you watched.

• 30:29Speaker 02

  Of course, and I think you're frickin' talented, Mike White. No, he's obviously, he's obviously so talented, I just haven't watched it.

• 30:35Drew Afualo?

  We would kill in White Lotus, they should cast us.

• 30:39Speaker 02

  I, I-

• 30:39Drew Afualo?

  Let me go as friends.

• 30:40Speaker 02

  Can I be honest? What is it about?

• 30:46Drew Afualo?

  That I do know, I do can, I can tell you-

• 30:48Speaker 02

  So what is it about?

• 30:48Drew Afualo?

  It's basically, The White Lotus is the name of the resort, and then each season they have people, like, vacationing at the resort. But each season starts with a dead person, and it's someone in the principal cast. And then, like, you see a dead body, or you know something, someone is dead, but you don't know who it is, until the end of the season. So then it, like, the first episode happens and then you jump, like, do a chime jump back to when they all get there, and then you learn more about them as they stay at the resort and shit.

• 31:13Speaker 02

  That is, sounds like a great show.

• 31:14Drew Afualo?

  So it's all- Well, now I'm sold.

• 31:16Speaker 02

  That should win, every, Emmy.

• 31:20Drew Afualo?

  So basically, that's the point, and like, each story is different, and all these people are like, sometimes connected in ways, sometimes they aren't, whatever. It's just like, all of them are fucked up and rich.

• 31:30Speaker 02

  I love it.

• 31:30Drew Afualo?

  And that's kinda, and I guess like, the whole, and this is all from my sister who has watched The White Lotus. Uh, I know Mike White said like, he goes and vacations at resorts in different countries, and then he like, observes, and then writes roles.

• 31:43Speaker 02

  That's, that's actually genius.

• 31:44Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, so that-

• 31:45Speaker 02

  That's scary.

• 31:45Drew Afualo?

  So he writes-

• 31:46Speaker 02

  And he writes it all alone, right?

• 31:47Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, so then he writes it, and he, he writes out the characters that way, and then kinda builds them out throughout the show. And they all sign like, crazy NDAs, so like, none of them can tell anyone outside of the exact, like, team, who dies and all that shit. It's like crazy.

• 32:02Speaker 02

  That's, we have to be on that.

• 32:03Drew Afualo?

  That's why I said we have to be it.

• 32:05Speaker 02

  Oh my god, we have to be on that next season. I love the show. This is, this is our plea to be on this show. We love you, Mike.

• 32:11Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, oh, Mike White, we love your work.

• 32:15Speaker 02

  And we just have been following you for years.

• 32:18Drew Afualo?

  I've, I loved him in School of Rock. He was in School of Rock.

• 32:21Speaker 02

  He was actually amazing. And, and Survivor.

• 32:23Drew Afualo?

  Oh, yeah, that's right.

• 32:24Speaker 02

  I actually do know his work very well. I just haven't seen the show, but I, I know I have to. I've seen clips of it on Evan Ross Katz's Instagram, like posting, like Twitter for Coolidge and stuff, that I feel like I know enough about it to know it's iconic.

• 32:36Drew Afualo?

  You're so me. Cause sometimes I'll tell people, yeah, I've seen it and it's literally, I've seen clips on TikTok or Instagram and I feel like I, I know enough to get by.

• 32:45Speaker 02

  100%.

• 32:45Drew Afualo?

  In a conversation. I could just contribute here and there and people will think I've seen it too.

• 32:49Speaker 02

  Totally. Well, also, is it scary, The White Lotus?

• 32:53Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I think so. I think it can be. Well, it's like thrilling. I wouldn't say it's scary.

• 32:56Speaker 02

  It's a thriller.

• 32:57Drew Afualo?

  And you're asking me and I haven't seen it either, so someone can confirm, is it scary, guys? Yeah, it's more thriller. There you go.

• 33:04Speaker 02

  I love a thriller.

• 33:05Drew Afualo?

  But I think the plot lines are just insane, like the shit they have them doing.

• 33:08Speaker 02

  I'm so ready to watch it.

• 33:09Drew Afualo?

  Like the shit they had Patrick Schwarzenegger doing this past season, I was like, dang.

• 33:11Speaker 02

  Oh, I read about it.

• 33:12Drew Afualo?

  Oh, yeah.

• 33:13Speaker 02

  With the brother?

• 33:14Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 33:14Speaker 02

  See, I know things. I can talk.

• 33:16Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 33:17Speaker 02

  If I met Patrick Schwarzenegger tomorrow, I could be like, you are fucking amazing. I loved that scene with your brother. It's insane. I mean, I shouldn't, maybe I shouldn't say that to him.

• 33:28Drew Afualo?

  I loved those incest scenes. You killed it. I actually saw him at Coachella.

• 33:32Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 33:33Drew Afualo?

  Patrick Schwarzenegger, yeah. I saw him, uh...

• 33:35Speaker 02

  Oh my god, so did I, but I thought it was a dream.

• 33:38Drew Afualo?

  Believe it or not, I saw him at DJ Mustard's set. What was he doing there? I don't know.

• 33:43Speaker 02

  Everyone was at DJ Mustard's set.

• 33:45Drew Afualo?

  So was I.

• 33:46Speaker 02

  Everyone was. Every friend I text was like, where were you with DJ Mustard's? I was like, where, why were you there?

• 33:53Drew Afualo?

  I know, she was, cause he was on at the same time as Lady Gaga. So I had to pick. I had to choose.

• 33:57Speaker 02

  So you picked DJ?

• 33:58Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I did. But that's only cause I know Lady Gaga's going on tour and I would spend money to go see her.

• 34:03Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 34:03Drew Afualo?

  But I wouldn't spend money to go see DJ Mustard, so I was like, now's my time.

• 34:06Speaker 02

  You gotta pick and choose.

• 34:07Drew Afualo?

  This year was my year for horror sets, so that's what I was prioritizing.

• 34:10Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 34:10Drew Afualo?

  The whores.

• 34:11Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 34:12Drew Afualo?

  As a former whore myself, I was like, I gotta support my girls, gotta go shake ass.

• 34:16Speaker 02

  I hear you.

• 34:17Drew Afualo?

  You know. And I saw him there. I saw Patrick Schwarzenegger there when I was leaving the set. Why was he there? I don't know. And he was there and he was doing one of these.

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• 35:30Drew Afualo?

  To Ella May.

• 35:31Speaker 02

  Oh shit.

• 35:32Drew Afualo?

  He's doing one of these. You know that, you know he has that dead stare in his eyes? And he's like, that's what he was doing.

• 35:37Speaker 02

  Can I be honest?

• 35:38Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 35:38Speaker 02

  Hot.

• 35:41Speaker 02

  I like what I hear. Wish I saw it in person. I, would you go to Stagecoach?

• 35:47Drew Afualo?

  No.

• 35:47Speaker 02

  No.

• 35:48Drew Afualo?

  They don't like my kind over there.

• 35:49Speaker 02

  Trust me, I'm not going.

• 35:52Speaker 02

  I am definitely, I don't think welcome.

• 35:53Drew Afualo?

  I'd be public enemy number one over there, probably. A lot of my ops are probably going to that. The men who hate me on the internet.

• 35:59Speaker 02

  Hundred percent.

• 36:00Drew Afualo?

  Oh, I bet they love Stagecoach.

• 36:02Speaker 02

  Everyone we hate loves Stagecoach.

• 36:04Drew Afualo?

  I know.

• 36:05Speaker 02

  And the thing is this, my best friend in the world, who I would literally give any organ to.

• 36:10Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 36:11Speaker 02

  My life to, loves Stagecoach. And it is scary. It is the one thing.

• 36:17Drew Afualo?

  I am frightened.

• 36:18Speaker 02

  I am sort of like, I don't think I know you. It scares me, but it's also like, maybe it's so fun and we just have to go.

• 36:25Drew Afualo?

  I know, I, that feels like one of those things where if presented with the right opportunity, I might be interested.

• 36:31Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 36:31Drew Afualo?

  Cause I'd be just, just to say I went, like just to get the experience.

• 36:35Speaker 02

  What's the right opportunity, like money?

• 36:36Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, like me not buying anything. I would never pay to go there, yeah, being flewed out to Stagecoach.

• 36:42Speaker 02

  I hear you. I, I would go if, yeah, if, if it was like gorgeous.

• 36:47Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that's one of those.

• 36:48Speaker 02

  Cabana, they're building a cabana for us. I would go, fuck it.

• 36:52Drew Afualo?

  Well, do they do those there? I don't know.

• 36:53Speaker 02

  No, not at all. I would go.

• 36:56Drew Afualo?

  I actually have some fun facts about you.

• 36:57Speaker 02

  Wait, what?

• 36:58Drew Afualo?

  I would, I'm gonna read them to you now. Okay, this one says you played both Beast and Gaston in the same school production, A Beauty and the Beast, because you were the only boy.

• 37:09Speaker 02

  That's true.

• 37:11Drew Afualo?

  In school?

• 37:12Speaker 02

  Imagine that.

• 37:13Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, school production. What, what grade?

• 37:15Speaker 02

  I was young. It was like fourth grade. I was really young, but imagine The Beast and Gaston have to fight. They have a full fighting scene. So I'm the Beast and I'm like, Gaston, you cannot. And then I'm like, excuse me?

• 37:30Speaker 02

  Take off my costume, be like, yes, I will, the Beast. It was a disaster.

• 37:36Drew Afualo?

  Face and the other, so you can turn.

• 37:37Speaker 02

  Well, then, and then second performance, my mom's like, could we get a stand? I don't think The Beast needs to be Owen at this point.

• 37:44Drew Afualo?

  You're all, you're all out of breath every time. You're like, cause you're running from one side to the other.

• 37:48Speaker 02

  Also, at that point, like, I forget who wins.

• 37:52Speaker 02

  One performance, Gaston's gonna win, love. Cause I'm tired. It was hilarious. Um, yeah, I, it was, it was, it's the, it's the perk of being the only boy in theater, is that you get the leads.

• 38:02Drew Afualo?

  You got two.

• 38:03Speaker 02

  I got two leads.

• 38:04Drew Afualo?

  Lead roles.

• 38:06Drew Afualo?

  Okay, let's see what else we have on here.

• 38:08Speaker 02

  These are fun. These are like fun facts. They're like pretty insane.

• 38:12Drew Afualo?

  Now, that is a really fun fact. Okay, so it says that you had a blog on Huffington Post when you were 13.

• 38:19Speaker 02

  No, Drew, no, Drew.

• 38:23Drew Afualo?

  What did you chat about on the Huffington Post?

• 38:25Speaker 02

  No, Drew.

• 38:27Drew Afualo?

  I feel like we talked about this a little bit on, on, when I was on your show, but I can't remember.

• 38:31Speaker 02

  I can't believe this is coming up.

• 38:33Drew Afualo?

  I feel like you sprinted past it like you're trying to.

• 38:36Speaker 02

  Oh, of course. And I obviously cut it from the episode. Like, I would like to remove that from the internet. I was, I was a hustler.

• 38:47Drew Afualo?

  Clearly, but you're working at thirteen.

• 38:49Speaker 02

  I was thirteen years old. I was at a party.

• 38:52Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 38:53Speaker 02

  With my uncle, who was a writer, and my uncle introduced me to this woman.

• 38:59Speaker 02

  And this woman worked at the Huffington Post.

• 39:01Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 39:01Speaker 02

  And my thirteen year old self, my little crazy narcissistic ass, shook her hand and said, I would like to write for your blog.

• 39:12Drew Afualo?

  I have some things I have to say.

• 39:13Speaker 02

  I have a lot of stuff. She goes, what do you have? I said, there's so much drama at my school. You, you, you would love it.

• 39:19Speaker 02

  Okay, this kid seems unhinged, so let's give him a blog. So they gave me a blog and the first blog post that, the, the title is, I love my friends. And it's all, it's complete shade. My mom was like, this is so sweet. It's about that one friend. I was shading my friend who didn't come to my birthday party. I was like, I love my friends who come to my birthday parties.

• 39:43Drew Afualo?

  I love, especially loving my friends accept my invites and actually show up.

• 39:46Speaker 02

  Literally. Thank God for the friends who show up and bring gifts. Like, it's literally shading now other, it was insane. It was just a way for me to talk shit about people. It was crazy.

• 39:56Drew Afualo?

  You're like the town crier on Huffington Post.

• 40:00Speaker 02

  I want it gone from the internet. And it won't. I, trust me, I've tried everything. I've like hired publicists, paid an absorbent amount of money that you can't even explain, to ask these publicists to, to delete it. And they're like, hey, we can't. I'm like, can I have my money back, honestly? This is crazy.

• 40:18Drew Afualo?

  But you do love your friends.

• 40:20Speaker 02

  I love my friends who come to my birthday party.

• 40:24Speaker 02

  It's still true, actually. Maybe I should re-post that when I hate a friend.

• 40:26Drew Afualo?

  You should. Or on your birthday. You should put a screenshot of your, I love my friends when they come to my birthday party.

• 40:33Speaker 02

  It's so upsetting. It's so upsetting. I can't believe I did that. But I was thirteen, so I give myself a little, actually thirteen's too old to be doing that. Think about thirteen. Thirteen, no, thirteen's like, old, like.

• 40:46Drew Afualo?

  I feel like that's, that makes the most sense. At thirteen, you would have that kind of confidence to be like, I have many important thoughts that you are missing out on.

• 40:54Speaker 02

  I love my friends.

• 40:56Drew Afualo?

  I love my friends.

• 40:57Speaker 02

  Four blogs later, they're like, hey, we're done here.

• 41:01Drew Afualo?

  We're killing your column.

• 41:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:02Drew Afualo?

  You're out of a job.

• 41:03Speaker 02

  Yeah. I literally, I thought I was fucking Sex and the City. I was like, I'm Carrie Bradshaw until they cut me. I'm like, hey, I haven't even gotten to big.

• 41:13Drew Afualo?

  Dear diary.

• 41:14Speaker 02

  Literally.

• 41:15Drew Afualo?

  What other blog posts did you make? Were they only about friends?

• 41:18Speaker 02

  They were, one was about friends, one was about family. Probably called, "I hate my family."

• 41:26Speaker 02

  And one was about, I was singing at the time, I was like, wanted to be a pop star at the time.

• 41:30Drew Afualo?

  Love.

• 41:31Speaker 02

  So one was about like, me on stage, like, "How I feel on stage when the lights hit my face." It's like, so embarrassing. And the next one was about probably getting fired, from this, being like, "This is my last post."

• 41:47Drew Afualo?

  Your farewell post?

• 41:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, "We're wrapping up, you know, to all the fans who love me, follow me on OwenTheil.com." You know, it was like that. It was like, I had balls back then.

• 41:57Drew Afualo?

  That's why I said, I feel like you're so me, because I, I've had that kind of like, un, almost intangible confidence. Like, you just, you couldn't tell me shit when I was a kid.

• 42:08Speaker 02

  Where is that now? I'm like, where is that? I'm like, I'm trying to find it. It's crazy.

• 42:14Drew Afualo?

  I know, it's like, it's so unbridled when we're young. Like, it's just like, my confidence knew no bounds. Like, my mom said too, like, when I was younger, like, when I was a child, I would have like, you know, like, older women or parents or whatever, they'd be like, "Hi." Like, when they'd say hi to me, they'd be like, "Oh, you're so beautiful." And I'd be like, "I know."

• 42:33Speaker 02

  I'm actually dead.

• 42:34Drew Afualo?

  Like, that was always my response, was always like, "Yeah, I know." Okay, thank you. Thank you very much.

• 42:41Speaker 02

  Totally, totally.

• 42:42Drew Afualo?

  Wait, I just remembered too, when I was on your show, I was talking shit on Capricorns, I just remembered this right now. And on the, the cut down that you guys posted of the Capricorn thing, I saw a girl, she commented on it and she tagged me and she goes, "I am really fucking sick of Drew talking shit on Capricorns. Like, just get over it already." And I'm not kidding, I responded and I said, "Girl, you should Google the word joke and then come back to this video, I bet you'll feel real silly."

• 43:11Speaker 02

  Wait, a hundred percent!

• 43:13Drew Afualo?

  Hey babe, I'm kidding.

• 43:15Speaker 02

  Wait, also that was such a, obviously a joke.

• 43:17Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, what the fuck? I didn't say anything serious.

• 43:20Speaker 02

  There is a little tea on Capricorns, a little tea?

• 43:22Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 43:23Speaker 02

  It's like a little real.

• 43:24Drew Afualo?

  Oh, so you got hit, my bad.

• 43:25Speaker 02

  So sorry.

• 43:26Drew Afualo?

  Sorry, I clocked you.

• 43:28Speaker 02

  Also, look up Scorpio, my, my sign is the worst sign on the internet.

• 43:31Drew Afualo?

  I know, that's what I said, I was like, "You guys never get shit, that's why I'm here to give it to you."

• 43:34Speaker 02

  Totally. We get such shit. Like every other, I mean, I pride myself on being a Scorpio because ultimately I'm loyal and horny.

• 43:43Drew Afualo?

  Period.

• 43:43Speaker 02

  But, but.

• 43:44Drew Afualo?

  Two things about me, loyal and horny.

• 43:45Speaker 02

  Sorry, but also like people hate Scorpios.

• 43:49Drew Afualo?

  I know, and I love Scorpios personally.

• 43:51Speaker 02

  Thank you, thank you.

• 43:51Drew Afualo?

  We get along very well.

• 43:52Speaker 02

  No, a hundred percent, but most people like really hate us.

• 43:55Drew Afualo?

  I know.

• 43:56Speaker 02

  Which is crazy.

• 43:57Drew Afualo?

  It's like Scorpios geminis the most, and then I think Aries would be right underneath y'all. But like, I think Scorpios for sure get the most.

• 44:04Speaker 02

  But Aries, they don't like look up their hate or something? Cause they're always like, we're the best side.

• 44:10Drew Afualo?

  They never care.

• 44:11Speaker 02

  They, they don't care at all.

• 44:12Drew Afualo?

  Like the only person who should know is them and they don't, and they don't care.

• 44:15Speaker 02

  They're like, no, we don't get hate.

• 44:16Drew Afualo?

  Oh, they.

• 44:17Speaker 02

  I'm like, wait, what?

• 44:20Drew Afualo?

  I just thought of that right now, cause I was like.

• 44:22Speaker 02

  Hilarious.

• 44:23Drew Afualo?

  Me and Owen are giggling and you're getting mad, relax.

• 44:26Speaker 02

  Oh my god, invite her on the pod. She flies it.

• 44:28Drew Afualo?

  Get her on the pod.

• 44:30Speaker 02

  She's here.

• 44:31Drew Afualo?

  Okay, this other fact says, while filming the movie theater camp, uh, they found out that there was E. coli in the lake at the summer camp. Is that true?

• 44:39Speaker 02

  Oh my god, I just remembered that. Yeah, that was true. Oh my god, and I, yes, so we, oh.

• 44:49Speaker 02

  You guys, they got, this is hilarious story. They got the camp, they were so excited about the camp. Molly called me like in tears, being like, we got the camp, we got the funding, it's a go. And then three days later, she was like, there's E. coli in the lake.

• 45:05Drew Afualo?

  Damn, girl, no wonder it was such a steal.

• 45:08Speaker 02

  Literally, she's like, that's why it was no money. She's like, I'm understanding. Yeah, there was E. coli in the lake, it was horrifying. By the way, there were kids running around like trying to swim. We were like, hey, you might not want to get in there.

• 45:20Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, for real.

• 45:21Speaker 02

  I actually didn't, I thought E. coli, I thought E. coli you get from eating your own shit. Is that right or wrong?

• 45:30Drew Afualo?

  I honestly don't know. Maybe you could get it from that. I don't know.

• 45:35Speaker 02

  To this day, to be totally honest with you, now I sound really dumb, but to this day, I'm like, so there's shit, human shit in the, I'm like, what's going on? What is that? How do you get E- what does E. coli in the water even mean?

• 45:49Drew Afualo?

  I think, I, I know E. coli is like bacteria, so I think.

• 45:52Speaker 02

  From shit?

• 45:54Drew Afualo?

  I mean, I'm assuming, yes.

• 45:55Speaker 02

  Oh, no.

• 45:57Drew Afualo?

  So there's.

• 45:57Speaker 02

  Those kids.

• 45:58Drew Afualo?

  There's poop in the lake.

• 46:00Speaker 02

  You guys, I know what happened. The kids during real summer camp were shitting in the lake.

• 46:05Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, they gotta be, they're throwing turds in there. And that's why, probably.

• 46:09Speaker 02

  It takes a lot of shit to make E. coli.

• 46:11Drew Afualo?

  You need a lot of turds to poison a whole lake.

• 46:14Speaker 02

  Jesus Christ. Yeah, there was E. coli in the lake and it was scary. There were, there were scenes where we were like near the lake and I was, me being so down for anything became a diva. And I was like, hey, I don't want to get near that lake. I was like, so can we film it anywhere else?

• 46:29Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, there's, there's like a scent emanating off that lake.

• 46:32Speaker 02

  It reeks, the lake. Yikes.

• 46:35Drew Afualo?

  Okay, last, my last fun fact for you, actually got sent to me and it's literally just this picture of Timothy Chalamet that you posted on your Facebook in 2016.

• 46:46Speaker 02

  I posted on my Instagram.

• 46:47Drew Afualo?

  Or Instagram and on Facebook, apparently. That's Facebook, babe. Yeah. Get a load of that.

• 46:52Speaker 02

  Oh, no. I just realized that my Facebook is attached to my Instagram, which means that every, every post I've been posting has been going to my Instagram, my, my Facebook.

• 47:03Drew Afualo?

  Yes, if it's on Instagram, yes, most often.

• 47:07Speaker 02

  Oh my God, that's how my grandparents are seeing this. I was like, I don't think they follow me on Instagram. This is great. Good to know.

• 47:13Drew Afualo?

  This picture with no context, no caption?

• 47:16Speaker 02

  Okay, so, uh.

• 47:19Drew Afualo?

  Did you take this pic?

• 47:20Speaker 02

  I did.

• 47:20Drew Afualo?

  You did take this pic. Right.

• 47:22Speaker 02

  So I, yeah, well, we dated. Can you imagine? I come up.

• 47:26Drew Afualo?

  Breaking news.

• 47:27Speaker 02

  So I dated Timothy Chalamet.

• 47:29Drew Afualo?

  We're ex-lovers.

• 47:31Speaker 02

  Sorry Kylie, he's bi. I, no, he and I became friends.

• 47:37Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 47:38Speaker 02

  First week of college.

• 47:39Drew Afualo?

  Love.

• 47:40Speaker 02

  I was in college for literally three weeks. I went to NYU for three weeks and then I was like, "Hey, I'm leaving this. I'm going back home. I'm scared. I miss my parents."

• 47:47Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 47:48Speaker 02

  But, uh, first week we met and we were in class together and I became, he became like, I, I became obsessed with him. He was like so nice. He was in a movie with Molly Gordon. I keep talking about her.

• 47:59Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 47:59Speaker 02

  Uh, he was in a movie with Molly called Love the Coopers and they were just on set together and I, I, I, I, I knew Molly really well, so Molly was like, "Meet my friend Timmy" and then we became friends and, and then, I, this is a true story. Two years later, we kind of kept in touch and he was like, I was in London and he was filming something in Italy and he was like, "Pop over if you're around" and I was like, "Can't, sorry, I'm in London."

• 48:21Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 48:23Speaker 02

  It was Call Me By Your Name. Should've went.

• 48:27Speaker 02

  Should've went to that set. Um, he's wonderful.

• 48:30Drew Afualo?

  Then maybe you would've been Kylie Jenner at this point, if you had gone. Who knows?

• 48:33Speaker 02

  I'm the OG Kylie. I want Kylie to watch this and be threatened.

• 48:38Drew Afualo?

  Watch your back.

• 48:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, he's wonderful. I actually, lost touch with him, but then I recently saw him and I, he screamed my name so loud and I, and I screamed back, "You remember me?" And it was the sweetest moment and we hugged and then he ultimately, left with Kylie, so that's great. I really thought we had a connection, but obviously not.

• 48:58Drew Afualo?

  Alright, well, you know.

• 49:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:00Drew Afualo?

  He was mine before he was yours.

• 49:01Speaker 02

  I'll get him next time.

• 49:04Drew Afualo?

  Next time I'll take that train to Italy.

• 49:06Speaker 02

  We were just at Coachella and he was there.

• 49:08Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 49:08Speaker 02

  And I was standing with him and somebody said, "How do you guys know each other?" And I said, "Oh, we went to college together." And they looked at Timmy and they were like, "Oh, before he dropped out." Uh, and I was, I was like, "Well, actually I dropped out first."

• 49:20Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 49:21Speaker 02

  And they looked at both of us and they were like, "And it's, both done you so well." They didn't know anything that I've been in, so they were like, "This is great for both of you." I was like, "Okay, obviously Timothy has had a better career, obviously."

• 49:35Drew Afualo?

  Girl, whatever. I did it for her, so I dropped out for her, so.

• 49:39Speaker 02

  Shouldn't have done that, obviously. Such bullshit.

• 49:42Drew Afualo?

  That's so funny, right? And we, we kinda talked about it at your show, like, obviously I met him at SAG Awards for the first time. And I brought up Brittany, cause I was like, you know, my friend Brittany? And he was like, Brittany? I think he was afraid that I was talking about like, a random Brittany?

• 49:56Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 49:57Drew Afualo?

  And I was like, Broski? And then he goes, oh yes, yes, yes. I think he got nervous for a second.

• 50:01Speaker 02

  Of course, he was like, um, which one? I get it.

• 50:04Drew Afualo?

  Yes, of course, Brittany, I do that all the time too, make up names.

• 50:07Speaker 02

  So do I.

• 50:07Drew Afualo?

  Uh, but he was really nice, really funny.

• 50:09Speaker 02

  You know, that was my in to talk to celebrities when I was young.

• 50:12Drew Afualo?

  Really?

• 50:12Speaker 02

  I remember I was at a premiere, uh, I, I snuck into a premiere, Rush Hour, remember Rush Hour?

• 50:18Drew Afualo?

  Yes, of course.

• 50:19Speaker 02

  So I snuck into, they, they had their after-party at Katsuya. And I snuck in with a friend, and I walked up to Paris Hilton, I have a picture on my Instagram, I walked up to Paris Hilton and I said, I was, I looked insane, okay? I was like, didn't, they were in suits, I was in a sweatshirt, like, I looked like, I was like, why is this kid here?

• 50:35Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 50:36Speaker 02

  Um, I had dreads at the time, I was, it was not. And I walked up to Paris and I was like, I know your friend. I was, I'm 13, okay? I think I know your friend, that was my in, lying about it.

• 50:47Drew Afualo?

  And that tells me, and that brings me to my blog, I love my friends. I'd like to read something, if that's okay?

• 50:53Speaker 02

  Literally, I read it to her.

• 50:55Drew Afualo?

  She's great.

• 50:56Speaker 02

  I don't, I don't know her at all now, but I knew her then.

• 50:58Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, well, what do you mean, you know her friend?

• 51:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly, I know, I know her really good friend, I made up a name, like Marcus. I know her friend Marcus, she was like, oh yeah, do you wanna pick? I was like, yeah.

• 51:09Drew Afualo?

  She said, okay, alright, no for sure.

• 51:12Speaker 02

  Marcus is not a real name, also you're 10.

• 51:14Drew Afualo?

  I don't believe you, cause you're a minor, so.

• 51:18Speaker 02

  She was also scared, she's like, Marcus, is he also 10?

• 51:22Drew Afualo?

  When I was at the SAG Awards too, right before, uh, Timothy Chalmers came up to me, uh, to do the press, he was at the person next to me, and, um, his like, family was behind him, and, uh, his like, team and stuff, and his mom came up to me and she's like, would you mind taking a picture of us? And I was like, oh yeah, sure, and I was like, taking pictures of them, and I was like, get in there dad? And I was like, directing, I was like, wait, the lighting's bad, sorry, hold on, let me move.

• 51:46Speaker 02

  Wait, that's hilarious.

• 51:47Drew Afualo?

  I was like, perfect, and then I was taking, I was like, I'll do some side ones, perfect.

• 51:51Speaker 02

  You're like, and do you want one when he wins?

• 51:52Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and then I take, I flipped the camera, take a picture of myself.

• 51:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 51:56Drew Afualo?

  And then I'll hop in there. Yeah, and then I'll go ahead and then we'll do a silly one with me.

• 52:01Drew Afualo?

  Oh, you guys, that is, I have been with, I'm not naming names, but I have been with a friend of mine who wouldn't care if I named her name. But now I just gave it away because it's her. Okay, I was with a girl who's famous and she was, I forget where we were, I think Erawan. And they asked for her to take a picture of them at Erawan. And she was like, of course. She was like, let's get in. And meanwhile, they were like, no, no, no, just of us.

• 52:27Drew Afualo?

  Oh, I love one like that. I love that. A quick old humbling. We were dying. Yeah, I love, I, sometimes I panic about that. Like when I would first started getting recognized in public, people would ask me. And sometimes they get really nervous and I can tell they want to ask me for a picture. Only once have I been like, oh, did you want a picture? And they went, no, I'm good. Yeah, never again. I'm never assuming ever again, ever again, ever again. No, I'm good. No, okay, perfect. Me too. I don't want to take a picture. Oh, my God. Thank God you didn't want to take a picture. I don't want to. No, I couldn't have taken a picture anyway. It's because I don't have storage on my phone. Yeah, don't even bother asking me, by the way. Don't even bother.

• 53:05Drew Afualo?

  Oh, no, I, I, I've had that before. I once had a girl take a picture with me. She came up, she's like, oh, can I get a picture with you? And I said, yeah, yeah, sure. And then I took a picture with her and her friends were like waiting for her. And then she's like, thanks. And she turned around and then her friends were talking to her or something and we're probably like five feet apart at this point. And she goes, I don't know what the fuck her name is. I just think she's on TikTok or something. Right. Hey, queen, I can still hear you. Wait, I'm obsessed.

• 53:31Drew Afualo?

  I don't know what the fuck her name is. I'm obsessed. Perfect. You go and tag me in that right now. You go, no, tag me in it right now. Look my name up. I can always tell when they don't know my name because they're like, I've seen you. On TikTok.

• 53:48Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 53:48Drew Afualo?

  And sometimes they'll even say like, oh, don't tell me, don't tell me, uh. And they'll stand there and like, try to guess, which is just, there is no dignity in that.

• 53:56Speaker 02

  I have seen somebody whose name, actually, I couldn't remember, but I would never go up to this person. But I've seen, I, I, I know this man from many movies. He's in like, he's a staple in movies, but you don't really know his name. And I literally am blanking on his name, but he was in an Air One. And somebody asked him for a picture and they were like, wait, you were in Bride Wars? No. No, wait, wait, we're, wait, which movie? You were in something with Kate Hudson, what was it? Like, and then he's like, no, I wasn't. And they were like, oh, Anne Hathaway? Like, and he's now listing his credits.

• 54:28Drew Afualo?

  What is this, Where's Waldo?

• 54:29Speaker 02

  Literally.

• 54:29Drew Afualo?

  Don't make me do this.

• 54:30Speaker 02

  No, I was, I felt bad for him. I almost like wanted to go up to him and like, take a picture and put it on like, Google somehow. And try to get his name, so I could be like, no, it's this person, you know?

• 54:39Drew Afualo?

  You're, I also can't help.

• 54:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was like, I'm so sorry.

• 54:43Drew Afualo?

  I know, there's nothing, nothing cute or fun about that. Especially when you can tell that they like, they feel like they've seen you somewhere, but they just don't know your name.

• 54:53Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 54:53Drew Afualo?

  But they still want to be able to tell people they've met you, so they still want the picture. Ah, God.

• 54:58Speaker 02

  My, I think my boyfriend would be most starstruck by you. He's obsessed with you.

• 55:02Drew Afualo?

  You think?

• 55:02Speaker 02

  I actually think so.

• 55:03Drew Afualo?

  And you know, given your roster of friends, that is a high honor. I'll fucking take it. Everyone knows everybody, everyone knows the most famous people in the fucking world.

• 55:11Speaker 02

  No, I'm a nepo friend. I collect so that they'll put me in things.

• 55:17Drew Afualo?

  Okay, so I would love to kind of ask you some advice questions for any aspiring actors.

• 55:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:23Drew Afualo?

  Um, I'd love to know if you have any advice for anyone who's like, looking to get into the business and maybe is like, whether they're feeling like nervous or worried about it, or maybe they're currently trying to get cast and stuff. And like we were talking about, it's a long process.

• 55:38Speaker 02

  It's such a long process.

• 55:39Drew Afualo?

  But I'd love if you have any good, any words of wisdom for them.

• 55:41Speaker 02

  I would say. This is so cheesy, but I would say don't give up.

• 55:46Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 55:47Speaker 02

  I didn't, and finally, after 10 years, I get a role that I can actually sink my teeth into.

• 55:55Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 55:55Speaker 02

  Finally, you know, like, and I think the little things have all shaped me and made me a better actor. And just being on set, being on set for one day, being a day player. It's like, really shaped me. So I think nothing's too small.

• 56:07Drew Afualo?

  Absolutely.

• 56:08Speaker 02

  And don't give up.

• 56:09Drew Afualo?

  Honestly, sometimes the cheesiest advice is the best advice.

• 56:13Speaker 02

  Totally. I also think like, I, I forget who said this to me recently, but, oh, I think it was Brittany Snow.

• 56:20Drew Afualo?

  Okay.

• 56:21Speaker 02

  Came on my podcast and we were talking about something and she was like, I was, she's in like 10 shows right now. So I was like listing off her shows as a joke.

• 56:29Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 56:29Speaker 02

  And she was like, I'm barely in that. I'm barely. And then she was like, no, I need to rephrase that because I am in it. It doesn't matter if you're in it for one day. She's like, I'm in. And so I think like, I, I always self-deprecate and that's kind of who I am as a person. But like being in theater camp, even if I had two scenes, it was the most rewarding thing to be, to watch myself in a theater. I like, it's a pinch me moment.

• 56:50Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 56:51Speaker 02

  It doesn't matter how, how small the role is.

• 56:53Drew Afualo?

  Absolutely.

• 56:54Speaker 02

  I think it's, it's important to just do what you love. And by the way, doing what you love also means like making shit with friends, like make his money.

• 57:00Drew Afualo?

  Tea.

• 57:00Speaker 02

  Like I made so many shorts that ultimately I did trash because they were horrible. Um, because my friends aren't talented. No, I'm joking.

• 57:08Speaker 02

  It was because of me. I cast myself in the leading role and I shouldn't have done that. I, it's, it, it's really important to do things with friends and just like make stuff when you have an idea, which is obvious. Look at your TikTok. Like you just have an idea and you post it.

• 57:21Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, like making stuff for the safe, for the sake of making art. Yeah, absolutely.

• 57:25Speaker 02

  Thank God that like now we have the ability to like, you have a thought, you get to post a video. And if it goes nowhere, that's cool. And if it gets five million views, that's sick too. Like, it's just great.

• 57:35Drew Afualo?

  I know. I think, and I think that's why you're such a shiny example of like, of blending the world of like, because I think you, obviously you joke a lot about being a nepo friend. You do have many, many famous friends. But like I said, like you're all artists. You're an artist too. So like, I feel like you have such a genuine, authentic connection to them. And that speaks through your work. Like, uh, clearly you're very talented. I know you're very talented. I tell you all the time. I jerk you off all the time, Ellen. You know this.

• 58:02Speaker 02

  You're jerking me, baby.

• 58:04Drew Afualo?

  But I think it speaks to like, not just like, Your endurance and perseverance as a, as an actor or as an artist, but also just like how authenticity really does win out in the end. Like it will come eventually. And we talked a little bit this, about this on your show too, about how sometimes like people who look like us, talk like us, act like us. It's a lot harder for us to get in the door.

• 58:24Speaker 02

  I can't believe I'm in this door. It's insane.

• 58:26Drew Afualo?

  So we have to find like creative ways to get in the door. And you found a really creative way to get in the door.

• 58:32Speaker 02

  Becoming friends with famous people.

• 58:34Drew Afualo?

  No, it's like, it's honestly in charm is like half the battle. Like being like genuine, being a good person and like having a lot of charm and charisma is like something that you have in spades. And I think that's why you've come as far as you have.

• 58:47Speaker 02

  That's very nice. I, I would, will say, I think the people I've become friends with, I, for a few of them, I knew them as famous people and I was just a fan and then we became friends. But a lot of them actually I didn't know would be famous. Molly Gordon I grew up with. Rachel Senna I knew since before she was, she was on a sitcom. Like, and she was, you know what I'm saying?

• 59:05Drew Afualo?

  Absolutely.

• 59:06Speaker 02

  And I just loved their work. And I love their artistry so much and their talent. And I believed in them so much that I was like, of course I'm fucking sticking with you. Like, and then now obviously look at them. Like, it's just, it's, I think it's really about surrounding yourself with people that you trust and love and love their vision.

• 59:22Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. And you're believed in, like you're happy for. That's, that's something I think, that's another reason why I think too, the universe works in your favor is because you are so genuinely happy for everyone. And I think like people in this industry especially, that is so rare. Like being genuinely happy for your friends.

• 59:40Speaker 02

  It is so rare. And I feel like another advice I would have for somebody is get a friend that actually you can call when a win happens. Because I feel like I, I've never experienced this because my friends are all very happy for me because I'm happy for them. And I only surround myself around people who are happy for each other. But I will say, I've watched my people who are who are in the business, who I'm not as close with, like struggle with, like they, they don't want to tell their friends their wins. You know what I mean? And they, they struggle with like actually like saying that, that something's good in their life. And I feel like you have to celebrate the little Things and who else should you call like you have to call your friends? I call my mom every minute of the day. I'm like, hey, I filled up my gas. It's a win.

• 1:00:25Speaker 02

  But like, I can't, you, you need a friend like that.

• 1:00:27Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, absolutely, especially in this business. Cause it's so isolating and for people like us who are marginalized already in multiple ways. It's like, we need community more than anything, cause it's already hard enough for us. But that's why I think it's working in your favor and you're, and you're stacking up wins for yourself now because you've earned it. But also because you're always so happy for other people. And I think it, the universe rewards people like that, cause it's genuine.

• 1:00:51Speaker 02

  It is, it's, it's so genuine. It's genuine to the point like auditioning for adults. There were all these other black gay guys who looked like me, cause that's the, that was the character. And I literally, at the end of, at the end of the audition process, I was like, okay. If there's any beef between us, let's squash it. Whoever gets this, we should all be happy for. I go, let's get drinks. And suddenly, we're all getting drinks. We're all in a group chat. It's obviously awkward now. Can't really answer that group chat. But, but no, but it's like, it's wonderful. It's like, that's what we should all be.

• 1:01:22Drew Afualo?

  You're so sweet. You're like, let's all hold hands and pray for each other.

• 1:01:25Speaker 02

  Literally, but, but by the way, there's gonna be a role that someone else gets. And I wish I had gotten it, but thank God they got it, they got it for a certain reason. Like, I, I'm not gonna get every role. That person, that other person who's my competitor, isn't gonna get every role. Like, there's so many, there's place for all of us.

• 1:01:40Drew Afualo?

  I agree. And that's why, that's why I love you. I feel like I sensed that about you the first time we met. Which is like, I, I feel the same where I'm like, I feel like there's more than enough room for us. Like, we all bring something so different. So like, I have no fear of lack. So I, like, I feel like you operate in abundance mindset. And so do I.

• 1:01:57Speaker 02

  Well, I'm like, if you win, I win. That's the other thing. Thank God. Like, thank God you're winning. If you meet Timothy Chalamet, I meet Timothy Chalamet.

• 1:02:06Drew Afualo?

  We all win in the end. Well, I fucking love you.

• 1:02:10Speaker 02

  I love you so much. You're, and I'm, speaking of who I'm happy for, I'm happy for you. I've been watching you for forever.

• 1:02:16Drew Afualo?

  Fucking same. I love you. You're the best. And thank you so much for coming on the show.

• 1:02:21Speaker 02

  Are you kidding? This is my dream, the comment section. It's amazing. Thank you for having me.

• 1:02:26Drew Afualo?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:02:27Speaker 02

  I've screamed into this mic a lot. You might want to turn my mic down.

• 1:02:30Drew Afualo?

  Oh, they're used to it. My cackle's always right here.

• 1:02:33Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 1:02:33Drew Afualo?

  Blowing out those fucking speakers.

• 1:02:35Speaker 02

  I've blown out my speaker on my set. Holy. My, my, my road, it's, it's called road, not Hailey Bieber. Also, that I have in my pocket. Lover, Hailey, love you. But my road, like caster, I think it's called.

• 1:02:47Drew Afualo?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:02:48Speaker 02

  That like literally takes your volume. It's like broke. I'm not kidding. One of the audio person's like, I've never seen this before.

• 1:02:55Speaker 02

  Your microphone broke.

• 1:02:56Drew Afualo?

  Bitch, be quiet.

• 1:02:57Speaker 02

  I'm like, uh-uh. Um, thank you for having me, Drew.

• 1:02:59Drew Afualo?

  Thank you for coming. I fucking love you. You're the best. And thank you all so much for joining us. Thank you to my amazing guest, Owen Thiel. Where can everybody find you?

• 1:03:09Speaker 02

  Imagine I said OnlyFans? That would be hot. I would love it. Um, maybe I'll start. Uh, no, you can find me on Instagram at Owen Thiel. And you can find me in my new FX show, Adults, which comes out May 28th.

• 1:03:21Drew Afualo?

  And Owen also has a podcast.

• 1:03:23Speaker 02

  And I also have a podcast.

• 1:03:24Drew Afualo?

  That I was on too.

• 1:03:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's called In Your Dreams. Drew was on it. Go listen to that episode.

• 1:03:29Drew Afualo?

  It was fun.

• 1:03:29Speaker 02

  She's, you're so funny.

• 1:03:31Drew Afualo?

  It was a key. We had a blast.

• 1:03:32Speaker 02

  It's just like hits after hit. I'm like, okay, wait, that's genius. Gee, I'm stealing your jokes. I'm like, yeah, I'm writing that down.

• 1:03:38Drew Afualo?

  Write that down, write that down.

• 1:03:40Speaker 02

  You're a genius.

• 1:03:41Drew Afualo?

  You're the fucking best. And I can't wait to watch you keep getting booked and everything. I'm so fucking excited for you.

• 1:03:46Speaker 02

  Let's, is there wood? Let's knock on it.

• 1:03:49Drew Afualo?

  Lock, we'll knock on here.

• 1:03:50Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:03:50Drew Afualo?

  There you go. Period. Lock that for us.

• 1:03:51Speaker 02

  Hollow it there.

• 1:03:54Drew Afualo?

  Uh, thank you all so much for joining us on this episode of the Comment Section Show. Don't forget, new episodes drop every Wednesday. You can stream the audio on all streaming platforms, but the video is for free and exclusively on our favorite platform, Spotify. Thank you so much to my amazing guest, Owen Thiel. Thank you so much to all of you for joining us, and I'll see you next week. Bye.

• 1:04:09Speaker 02

  Bye.