Jeremy Allen White

There are few people I’d move my birthday plans for, but when we heard Jeremy Allen White was in town, we said ‘yes, chef!’. He’s the superstar face of The Bear and is now playing 'The Boss', Bruce Springsteen, in the brand new film ‘Springsteen: Deliver Me From Nowhere’. Mum rustled up her foolproof onion quiche, I made an Autumn salad from NYT cooking and we sat down for lunch with Jeremy. We heard all about his favourite places to eat in London, New York & Chicago, filming The Bear and cooking for his co-stars, having his eyes painted to play Bruce, bulking up for Iron Claw, cooking for his kids, how he got the acting bug and we find out if a musical or rom-com may be on the cards in the future. Jeremy’s new film ’Springsteen: Deliver Me From Nowhere’ is in cinemas now. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 1:39Jessie Ware?

  Hello and welcome to Table Manners. I'm Jessie Ware and I'm here with Mum.

• 1:43Speaker 04

  Hi, darling.

• 1:43Jessie Ware?

  Like your necklace?

• 1:44Speaker 04

  Do you, darling?

• 1:45Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 1:45Speaker 04

  My friend Darren gave it from Liberty.

• 1:47Jessie Ware?

  Gorgeous, just down the road.

• 1:49Speaker 04

  Happy birthday.

• 1:50Jessie Ware?

  Thank you. We're at Claridge's for my birthday.

• 1:53Speaker 04

  Well, of course you are.

• 1:54Jessie Ware?

  And we're having lunch with Jeremy Allen White.

• 1:57Speaker 04

  Is that, is that all?

• 1:58Jessie Ware?

  I mean, that, he's probably the only person that I'm going to change my, you know, birthday arrangements for lunch to have with him because I think he's great. Um, yeah, we're in Claridge's. And we're here and it is a press junket. But we have, we have a good hour with Jeremy Allen White because he's here talking about the Springsteen movie. Springsteen, Deliver Me From Nowhere. Apparently Bruce Springsteen is also doing press down the road.

• 2:25Speaker 04

  Shall we tell the boss?

• 2:27Jessie Ware?

  Can you imagine? Maybe he's gonna be hungry and he'll hear.

• 2:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:30Jessie Ware?

  But this is where it's at for doing press.

• 2:32Speaker 04

  Maybe he can send the quiche out.

• 2:34Jessie Ware?

  Yeah. Well, no, I feel like the boss, he's so normal that he would just come in and like, you know, help himself.

• 2:40Speaker 04

  He has a very special diet, the boss.

• 2:42Jessie Ware?

  Does he?

• 2:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:44Jessie Ware?

  How do you know this, Mum?

• 2:45Speaker 04

  Because I read all about it.

• 2:46Jessie Ware?

  Okay, well, we're here. It's my birthday. Lenny's made quiche because when you're doing something in a hotel, as we've learned, it's quite hard to find something for lunch that can travel, that's warm. We learnt from our mistakes when we tried to reheat chicken soup for Cher five times. Um, so we've gone with an old classic, which works, and you will forgive us because it did feature in the New York series, but that doesn't matter because it's just good.

• 3:12Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 3:12Jessie Ware?

  What have you made, Lenny?

• 3:14Speaker 04

  I've made an onion quiche.

• 3:15Jessie Ware?

  It's the best onion quiche.

• 3:16Speaker 04

  It smells great.

• 3:18Jessie Ware?

  It's so good.

• 3:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:19Jessie Ware?

  So you've made that.

• 3:21Speaker 04

  And you've made a salad.

• 3:22Jessie Ware?

  We're kind of in the process of making it. I've kind of prepped it all. And it's a New York Times salad, which is a fall salad. I can't say it. Fall salad. I can't say salad.

• 3:32Speaker 04

  You fall over and you eat it?

• 3:34Jessie Ware?

  No, you feel like you're in Harvest, you're dancing in autumnal. I had, oh, I had my kids' harvest festival yesterday.

• 3:42Speaker 04

  Why didn't you invite me?

• 3:43Jessie Ware?

  It's a hard ticket to get.

• 3:45Speaker 04

  It's my favourite song.

• 3:46Jessie Ware?

  Because his father came with me, is that okay?

• 3:48Speaker 04

  Oh, that was all right.

• 3:49Jessie Ware?

  Um, and, you know, cauliflower fluffy still bangs.

• 3:53Speaker 04

  The apples are ripe, the plums are red, broad bean sleeping in a blankety bed.

• 3:59Jessie Ware?

  Yeah. Um, yeah, my son killed it. Um, and I'm sad to say it will be his last cauliflower fluffy next year. So that's me done with harvest festivals until I'm a grandma, maybe. And I hope that's not too soon. But anyway, so I've made a harvest autumn salad. It's, you were annoyed because it does have cheddar cheese in it.

• 4:17Speaker 04

  That's all right.

• 4:18Jessie Ware?

  But I feel like that's fine. It's got apples in it, a lemon and shallot kind of, uh, that's just, I, hopefully gonna stop the apples going brown. And then you do, you fry sage leaves, which is possibly the most satisfying thing to fry. Fry them, like about 25 of them, and then use the oil that then has, you know, taste of sage. Um, and then you put honey and Dijon in. And then I've done some, other, another New York Times recipe, I've done some tahini salted chocolate.

• 4:50Jessie Ware?

  Uh, cookies.

• 4:51Speaker 04

  Oh, wow.

• 4:52Jessie Ware?

  Because I kind of thought we've only, we haven't got too long with him and I thought.

• 4:55Speaker 04

  He can take one, put one in his pocket.

• 4:57Jessie Ware?

  And it can just pep him up for his next round of interviews. Do you know what I mean?

• 5:00Speaker 04

  Absolutely.

• 5:01Jessie Ware?

  And they look quite delicious and they taste quite, I may have tried a little bit. Um, so yeah, we have Jeremy Allen White. If you don't know who he is, I don't know where you've been because he is probably one of the most talked about celebrated actors at the moment. He started um as Lip in the US version of Shameless.

• 5:23Speaker 04

  Of course, Carmy.

• 5:24Jessie Ware?

  Carmy in The Bear, won lots of awards for that, was also one of the brothers in The Iron Claw, which was with Zac Efron. It was about this wrestling family. I thought I was just watching quite a fun wrestling film. No, it's probably the most tragic story based on real life events. So that was, he's amazing in that. And now he's playing Bruce Springsteen.

• 5:46Speaker 04

  The boss.

• 5:47Jessie Ware?

  The boss. And he kind of lives and breathes these roles. They're all quite lonely roles.

• 5:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 5:53Jessie Ware?

  Um, it was a really amazing film, actually. Kind of deals with Bruce Springsteen making the album Nebraska.

• 6:01Speaker 04

  And the period in his life when he's not very happy and coming to terms with past experiences.

• 6:07Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, and I thought it was dealt with really beautifully. And he's amazing in it.

• 6:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 6:12Jessie Ware?

  And when he sings and performs, he's just, yeah, he's brilliant. So I'm really excited to be meeting Jeremy Allen White today.

• 6:19Speaker 04

  Me too. Can I tell you, there must be a lesion of young women that are so excited. If only they could have met him, they said, but they're so excited because everyone seems to adore him.

• 6:31Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, he's, I think he seems like quite a private person.

• 6:35Speaker 04

  Does he?

• 6:35Jessie Ware?

  But yet, the whole world wants to know about him and who he's dating and to know, he's kind of.

• 6:41Speaker 04

  Must be very annoying.

• 6:42Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, I'm sure. Um, but yeah, he's coming on. We're having lunch with him. He hasn't eaten. I think he's aware of what is about to go down, but yeah, Jeremy Allen White coming up on table.

• 6:53Speaker 04

  Fabulous.

• 7:02Jessie Ware?

  Jeremy Allen White, we're here with you, we're having lunch with you in a second.

• 7:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 7:06Jessie Ware?

  And it's a pleasure to meet you.

• 7:08Speaker 05

  I'm so happy to meet you.

• 7:09Speaker 04

  I've got to memorise exactly how you look because I've got a legion of fans that say, "Oh my god, Jeremy Allen White."

• 7:17Speaker 05

  Oh, that's so sweet. Oh, man.

• 7:18Jessie Ware?

  The eyes are very blue.

• 7:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 7:20Speaker 05

  Very blue eyes, yes.

• 7:21Jessie Ware?

  But you had brown eyes in Old as the Boss.

• 7:23Speaker 05

  That's true, I forget about that sometimes, yeah.

• 7:26Jessie Ware?

  They were very good contacts because I was really trying to spot the bit of blue. No, they did a very good job. You did a great job.

• 7:31Speaker 05

  That was me, that was all me, yeah. They, yeah, they painted those. Scott tells it, our director, I didn't know about this and, I don't know, is it true? I'm not 100% sure, but he, he said they, they took very close up shots of Bruce's eyes.

• 7:46Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 7:46Speaker 05

  And we had someone hand paint the contacts so that all the like little lines and details of the eyes were with me. And then they had to put little weights in the contacts to keep them still because normally with, you know, clear contacts, they're always moving around.

• 8:01Jessie Ware?

  That sounds uncomfortable.

• 8:03Speaker 04

  Were they uncomfortable?

• 8:04Speaker 05

  It was a strange thing, yeah, yeah. There was this man who was in charge of, of sort of giving me eye drops every 20 minutes. And he was a lovely man and just doing his job. But I remember having this like Pavlovian response to him just because I would be in the middle of something and he'd kind of like come over with the eye drops and, uh...

• 8:24Speaker 04

  Did you blink before he even moved near you?

• 8:26Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, exactly. I'd kind of like tense up and, um, but he put them in for me, he took them out. But I remember trying them on and my daughter's getting so, um, my oldest daughter Ezra has, my eyes, blue eyes, my youngest daughter has, has brown eyes, her mother's eyes. But Ezra was like heartbroken, they came over to the house so I could try them on and she thought that, you know, we had lost this thing that we share, which is like, you know, our, um, our eyes.

• 8:54Jessie Ware?

  Oh, sweet. Oh, bless.

• 8:56Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 8:56Jessie Ware?

  How, how old is she?

• 8:57Speaker 05

  She's six, she'll be seven on the 20th.

• 8:59Jessie Ware?

  And how old's you, Dolores, is that?

• 9:00Speaker 05

  Dolores, yeah, she's, um, she's four, she'll be five in December.

• 9:04Jessie Ware?

  Okay, we've got similar age, ages. I've got a nine, a six and a four.

• 9:08Speaker 05

  Oh, beautiful, wow, you're busy, yeah.

• 9:10Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, but you know, it's kind of fun.

• 9:12Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, and they can all hang out together and, you know, yeah.

• 9:15Jessie Ware?

  And I think that like, I don't know about you, you know, you come from, you, I'm sure you... I'm not gonna say the word method, but like you you get into your character, you you you've played these big characters that it's a there's a lot of kind of

• 9:29Speaker 05

  Trauma.

• 9:30Jessie Ware?

  Heaviness.

• 9:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 9:31Jessie Ware?

  And then I I can imagine that you go back home and then you have to just switch on being dad.

• 9:36Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 9:36Jessie Ware?

  And that's probably quite.

• 9:38Speaker 05

  It's so.

• 9:39Jessie Ware?

  Appreciate it like.

• 9:40Speaker 05

  It's so nice.

• 9:40Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 9:41Speaker 05

  Exactly. Like, I think, you know, um, I don't have a choice.

• 9:44Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 9:44Speaker 05

  When I walk in the door, I know exactly who I am. I'm instantly humbled, um, and uh, and it's very easy to be present. Um, when you're around, um, when you're around your kids and kind of step outside of yourself. Everything else becomes far less important, I find, when I'm a when I'm with them and and that's that's a very like, that's a very nice benefit of having children. The rest of the world gets a little quiet when you're with them, you know.

• 10:08Speaker 04

  Do you eat? Do you eat with them? Do you have family meals?

• 10:10Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. We do breakfast every morning. We'll we'll play some music. They like to watch a little TV right when we wake up. They watch about five minutes of like, um.

• 10:19Jessie Ware?

  Not Misery or something.

• 10:21Speaker 05

  No, what they've seen. Yeah, yeah. Bluey, they really like. And then I'll kind of finish cooking while they're doing that five minutes. And then I'll play some music and I'll try to get them to dance with me into the kitchen, which either they will or they'll be so kind of like, um, uh, like upset with me that it turns into almost like wrestling, which also gets them off the couch and like into the kitchen. Um, so breakfast is a big one that we always do together. Um, and then dinner, I try my my best on the weekends. We kind of will like order in and and watch a movie or something. And then during the week, yeah, I always try to have them at the table.

• 10:57Jessie Ware?

  Have you eaten well whilst being in London?

• 11:00Speaker 05

  Uh, where did I go? I went to a rest. I went to a a mountain last night.

• 11:03Jessie Ware?

  Oh, it's the best.

• 11:04Speaker 05

  Very good. Yeah.

• 11:05Jessie Ware?

  Thomas is the best. Did he come and say hi?

• 11:08Speaker 05

  I don't know. I don't think so. Um, but everybody that we did speak to was very nice.

• 11:13Jessie Ware?

  It's delicious.

• 11:14Speaker 05

  It was very, very good. But of everything, I mean, I remember the omelette being very, very good.

• 11:21Jessie Ware?

  Spider crab omelette.

• 11:21Speaker 05

  Exactly, yes, spider crab omelette was very good.

• 11:24Jessie Ware?

  Did you have the sopasada, like the?

• 11:25Speaker 05

  Yes, that was excellent, yeah. Uh, there was like a source of like anchovies and sardines and breads and, um, yeah.

• 11:33Speaker 04

  Amazing, isn't it?

• 11:34Speaker 05

  Bread was so good.

• 11:35Speaker 04

  And they're delicious.

• 11:35Speaker 05

  And I'm trying to think where else, I wanted to try and get some Indian food and we were trying to figure that out last night, but I think it was quite difficult to, to manage. I'm from, so embarrassed, I forget the name of, of the spot, but I understand it's one of the very famous or very good ones and I think it was too difficult for us to, to get in there, um.

• 11:53Jessie Ware?

  Well, maybe tonight.

• 11:54Speaker 05

  Yeah, maybe tonight, maybe tonight.

• 11:56Jessie Ware?

  I think you can get in anywhere, you're like.

• 11:57Speaker 05

  We'll see.

• 11:58Speaker 04

  Do you like curry?

• 11:59Speaker 05

  I love curry, yeah, I really love spice and, um, and I love, yeah, yeah.

• 12:03Speaker 04

  I think that's the one thing in the States, you don't get as good there as in, in England, unless you can.

• 12:08Speaker 05

  It's, yeah, I mean, in Los Angeles, I, I haven't, you know, I remember Indian food being a part of like, I grew up in New York and I remember that being more a part of my childhood, like we would order, uh, uh, Indian and, and like Palestinian food and, and, um, but then in Los Angeles, I think it's like, for some reason, I mean, what do we eat a lot of sushi, it's like some of the best sushi in the world, and I live very close to like, um, Sushi Row in Los Angeles, um, and, uh, and so I've just, uh, I don't know, we eat a lot of sushi.

• 12:41Jessie Ware?

  Do your kids eat sushi?

• 12:43Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, I've just introduced them, it's still, you know, like avocado rolls, California rolls, and then I can get them like, like a slightly cooked salmon sushi, they'll, you know.

• 12:54Speaker 04

  That's exactly like your daughter.

• 12:55Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, I mean, like, my, my daughter wanted to have a sushi party for her ninth birthday and I just don't do it, just don't do it, because it's messy.

• 13:05Speaker 05

  Yeah, totally, it is insane.

• 13:07Jessie Ware?

  They all take too much rice.

• 13:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 13:09Jessie Ware?

  So then there's no more rice and then they're upset.

• 13:10Speaker 05

  I also like soy sauce is a problem, not in general, but for my children, like I find that they just really want soy sauce and Dolores will put it in the, the saucer and then sort of like. Lick it out like she's a kitten or something like that. And I'm like, that can't be great to just drink uh soy sauce.

• 13:29Jessie Ware?

  Well, let's well, let's talk about growing up in Brooklyn.

• 13:32Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 13:33Jessie Ware?

  Was it Carol Gardens?

• 13:34Speaker 05

  Yeah, Carol Gardens. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

• 13:36Jessie Ware?

  So who was around the dinner table and what was a memorable meal?

• 13:39Speaker 05

  Oh, boy. So it was me, uh, my, my, my dad, Richard, my, my mother, Eloise, my sister, Annabelle. Um, it was us. It was the four of us, you know. Oh, they're gonna give me such a hard time. They had a couple of dishes they were very, uh, they were very, uh, good about, but, but neither of them, I think, like, were super passionate growing up necessarily in, in the kitchen.

• 14:01Jessie Ware?

  This is your kind way of saying they weren't big cooks?

• 14:05Speaker 05

  You know, we had a busy lives and I think it was hard to always have that time in the kitchen, I'll say. Um, but there was a lot of great food around as Carol Gardens is a, a very Italian neighborhood and in Brooklyn and, and still, uh, uh, it's a neighborhood where, uh, families sort of inherit the, the different, uh, properties, restaurants and stuff like that. And so at the core, while a lot of Brooklyn has changed, um, Carol Gardens is very like Italian American. And, and so there's always a lot of wonderful, um, uh, Italian food, um, pizza, pastas, a lot of like sub shops that I have like very fond memories of as, as a kid and like running around there.

• 14:42Jessie Ware?

  A sub shop? Is that like a sandwich shop?

• 14:44Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 14:45Jessie Ware?

  Okay. So a bit like, you know, the bear, like.

• 14:47Speaker 05

  Totally.

• 14:48Jessie Ware?

  Okay. So what was your order at the sub shop?

• 14:51Speaker 05

  Um, yeah, I would either do like a very Italian, like a sopressata and like salami, um, um, cheese and like a, like a sweet or hot pepper sort of thing. Um, but Italian beef is a very Chicago. There's like a French dip, which I think is around more often.

• 15:12Jessie Ware?

  Has it got onions in?

• 15:13Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's like a shredded, you know, there's like, like, like in, like in Philadelphia, there's a cheesesteak.

• 15:19Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 15:19Speaker 05

  Um, and that's related to a French dip, which is again, like this, like shredded sort of like meat, very like slowly cooked and thinly sliced. Uh, and you put it in like a jus that you would cook the meat in. Um. And you dip it in the in the jus and that's why it's called.

• 15:34Jessie Ware?

  You with all the jus and stuff.

• 15:36Speaker 04

  Would that be brisket?

• 15:37Speaker 05

  Would it be? Yeah, most often, yeah, yeah, exactly.

• 15:40Jessie Ware?

  So, parents weren't big cooks, but they were out being, you know, acting and um and and your dad, was your dad a um, did he do camera work?

• 15:49Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, so so my parents, um, when they met, they were they were acting in New York. My dad grew up in Philadelphia. Um, and my mom grew up in North Carolina, Fayetteville, North Carolina. She went to North Carolina School of the Arts, which is a really, really wonderful, um, uh, has a great drama program uh in the States. And um, she moved to New York to pursue acting and and my dad, after some time in California for a little while, it's very mysterious and I need to get to the bottom of. He also came to New York, um, and uh, and they met, uh, my dad saw my mom at a play. And um, and at intermission ran out to get her flowers.

• 16:26Jessie Ware?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 16:28Speaker 05

  And uh, and gave her the flowers, um, um, after the show and asked her out and they started seeing each other and they lived on the Upper West Side and were in acting classes together and and did small productions together. Um, and then I think they they got they got married and they wanted to have a family. And so they went, okay, we better figure something else out because the kind of acting they were doing, just, you know, they weren't making enough money to to have kids and and so they started um editing like wedding videos and stuff like that for a friend of theirs and and then my dad started a business of uh of of filming and editing depositions pretty much and and then we moved to Brooklyn and they had me and um, so their work wasn't really in the arts as I was growing up, but they had a great sort of uh uh passion and respect, I guess.

• 17:11Jessie Ware?

  So I guess when you said you wanted to do it, they were like absolutely go for it.

• 17:14Speaker 04

  He was never gonna be a dentist, was he?

• 17:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, no, no, no, yeah, I mean, it was always definitely encouraged, um, uh, something in in that in that, you know, uh, arena, um.

• 17:26Speaker 05

  And and and yeah, I think the first time they saw me, you know, I had an interest in it. I got this very small play called The Present, and like an off off off off Broadway production. Um, and kind of a black box on the Upper West Side. And that was the first time they really saw me act was coming to see that and they knew how excited I was at the idea of it, but they'd never seen it and. And they saw me and and I think they um, yeah, they they they felt like if this is something you want to pursue and. And you're really engaged with them, you know, go for it. I had a very hard time paying attention when I was young.

• 18:00Jessie Ware?

  ADHD then?

• 18:01Speaker 05

  I I think, yeah, yeah. And I was kind of all over the place and but with this, I um. I was focused and there was real intention in my approach to it. And so I think anything that sort of. Settled me, they were supportive of.

• 18:15Jessie Ware?

  So where did the, because I know the dancing happened before the acting. And like the tap dancing and you're like a gifted ballet dancer, tap dancer.

• 18:25Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 18:26Jessie Ware?

  That's like, did that happen from, I don't know, you just needing something to do at the weekends and like to put your energy into?

• 18:34Speaker 05

  Yeah, so I think because I was kind of all over the place as a child. You know, we did sports, we played, you know, baseball and I played soccer and I wrestled and I, you know, um. Did all of these kind of physical things and activities and I still had more energy. And so my parents thought, well, why not?

• 18:53Jessie Ware?

  Snack them up a bit more, yeah.

• 18:54Speaker 05

  Some dancing, let's get them exhausted. Um, I really liked it. Yeah, I really liked those. That was, I guess, my first experience like performing in any way.

• 19:02Speaker 04

  But you've never done musical theatre?

• 19:05Speaker 05

  Well, I was always too afraid to sing.

• 19:07Jessie Ware?

  Well, funny that, isn't it now?

• 19:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 19:09Jessie Ware?

  Wow, you did a very good job.

• 19:11Speaker 05

  Thank you, yeah.

• 19:13Speaker 04

  Would you like to do musical theatre now?

• 19:15Speaker 05

  Perhaps, I mean, you know, I.

• 19:17Speaker 04

  Well, not musical theatre, but make it musical.

• 19:19Speaker 05

  I don't know. I mean, you know, I I am proud of kind of, you know, what we did with the with the film.

• 19:25Speaker 04

  You were amazing.

• 19:26Jessie Ware?

  I'm really interested by the fact that you were trained by Eric Vich.

• 19:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's right.

• 19:31Jessie Ware?

  Which I've I've heard a lot about him because he's kind of a bit of a star himself, right?

• 19:35Speaker 05

  He is, absolutely.

• 19:35Jessie Ware?

  Can you explain to everyone who this person is?

• 19:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, Eric Vetro is a wonderful vocal trainer and really like a singing expert. He works with a lot of wonderful singers, Rosalia and Ariana Grande and Sabrina Carpenter and Sam Mendes and a lot of really, I mean, you know, well-known singers. And then in the last five, six years, he's helped a lot of young actors prepare for for roles where they have to, you know, do this sort of thing that I had to I had to do, yeah. And he's a wonderful guy. He's a wonderful teacher. You kind of you kind of come into a space and the first thing you do is have about like 20 minutes of gossip, I've realized.

• 20:18Jessie Ware?

  Okay. Has he got good teeth?

• 20:20Speaker 05

  He's got, well, yeah, because he works with all these, you know, all these folks.

• 20:24Jessie Ware?

  So, Jeremy, are you a gossip?

• 20:25Speaker 05

  I'm on mic now, so I can't, you know.

• 20:27Speaker 04

  I thought we were going to hear about everyone.

• 20:29Speaker 05

  But but he likes to have a little chat when you get there. And then you do about 20 minutes of of kind of like what I would call like you a warm-up or like a gym. You're kind of like stretching your instrument and seeing what it can do a little bit. And when I first went to go see Eric, I was so I was really nervous. I was like, you know, I don't want him to judge my saying, never really saying before. But Eric's really interesting where he doesn't look at you like, I don't know. It sounds maybe not nice, but he looks at you like an instrument. He looks at you like, like, what can this do and what can it not do? And by looking at you in that way, there is no real judgment because you're just looking at the kind of like capability. Like, can I can I sit in this chair? Can I not?

• 21:12Speaker 05

  And what do I have to do with this chair to get it so I can sit in it? And so by approaching it that way of sort of like, what am I capable of? And how far can we reach? That that gave me a confidence in a strange way.

• 21:23Speaker 04

  So he found your voice.

• 21:25Speaker 05

  Yes, yes.

• 21:26Jessie Ware?

  Did you get the job playing Bruce Springsteen before? You must have had to have sung for the, I mean, like, or not.

• 21:34Speaker 05

  No, no, no.

• 21:35Jessie Ware?

  It was like, that must have been completely daunting then. You get given this role where you want to give it your all and do the best.

• 21:41Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 21:42Jessie Ware?

  But then you don't actually know if you can sing at all.

• 21:44Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 21:45Jessie Ware?

  Shit, that's awful.

• 21:47Speaker 05

  And that's what I was like holding on to for a long time. And I remember working with Eric for a while, but then singing for Dave Cobb, our music supervisor, singing for Scott Cooper, our director, for the first time. And I was just like, what if it's, what if it's not good? And what if I watch their faces just kind of drop? And they're like, oh, we've made a huge mistake, which is kind of my fear with every, every job. You know, they're just like, uh oh, I think maybe we made a mistake and um.

• 22:13Speaker 04

  That's probably what makes you good, the self doubt.

• 22:15Speaker 05

  Well, you have to push yourself, I suppose, to try and escape that stuff.

• 22:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 22:21Jessie Ware?

  But you were really good.

• 22:22Speaker 05

  Oh, thanks.

• 22:23Jessie Ware?

  And like, you got like the gravel, like, it was like.

• 22:27Speaker 04

  It was.

• 22:27Jessie Ware?

  I mean, I was worried about your vocal cords, but like, were they exhausted?

• 22:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, singing Born in the USA, that was very hard.

• 22:34Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 22:35Speaker 05

  Um, do you guys like Bruce? Are you guys familiar with Bruce?

• 22:38Jessie Ware?

  I feel like I, I feel like we were, you didn't really bring me up. Like, you brought me up on like divas and soul and then watching.

• 22:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, sorry.

• 22:48Speaker 05

  No, no, no, it's okay.

• 22:49Jessie Ware?

  But I've always heard about the bosses' shows and that they're these devoted people that go again and again, and he always tours because he's remarkable and quite prolific.

• 22:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 23:00Jessie Ware?

  So I completely fell in love with him. And you in this, playing him, it was, it was completely beautiful. And also like, he's got absolute bangers.

• 23:09Speaker 05

  Yeah, amazing. I mean, anthem after anthem and yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 23:13Jessie Ware?

  I think that's what's so brilliant about this. Film, you know, it's, it's, it's focusing on Nebraska and this need to get this out and this therapy for him, but also the fact that like he's shelving for a good few years, born in the USA. What else? Um, uh, uh.

• 23:29Speaker 05

  I'm on fire. Yeah.

• 23:31Jessie Ware?

  And he was just like writing these songs, but he was like, this is, and that's what, he's a true artist. But yeah, I, I now wanna go see.

• 23:38Speaker 04

  I would like to see him now, definitely.

• 23:40Speaker 05

  Oh, you should.

• 23:41Jessie Ware?

  Isn't he down the hallway?

• 23:42Speaker 05

  He's, he's here. He's here somewhere. Yeah.

• 23:44Jessie Ware?

  He wants some Keisha.

• 23:45Speaker 04

  He wants a bit of Keisha. He's very welcome.

• 23:47Jessie Ware?

  Like how?

• 23:48Speaker 04

  He probably does a bit, but I heard he looks after his body in a certain.

• 23:52Speaker 05

  He's very disciplined.

• 23:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, very disciplined.

• 23:54Speaker 05

  Um, yeah, yeah. He, I mean, he has to be, he's seventy six years old.

• 23:57Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 23:58Speaker 05

  And he still performs three, three and a half hours. So he really, uh, with, with exercise, with diet and all that stuff. He's very, you know, yeah, disciplined, absolutely.

• 24:07Jessie Ware?

  Are you disciplined?

• 24:09Speaker 05

  I try, you know, I go through periods of, of, of discipline. It's very hard for me to maintain, I think, you know, um. But, um, but yeah, for sprints, I can be, uh.

• 24:20Jessie Ware?

  Well, I mean, what Iron Claw, which I also, I watched thinking I was gonna watch this like fun wrestling movie.

• 24:27Speaker 05

  Very sad.

• 24:28Jessie Ware?

  Very sad.

• 24:29Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 24:30Jessie Ware?

  You were excellent in it. Everyone was excellent in it, but like.

• 24:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's a great cast.

• 24:33Jessie Ware?

  It was so sad and true, a true story or based on one.

• 24:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 24:38Jessie Ware?

  It's like the most tragic story ever.

• 24:40Speaker 05

  It's devastating, so devastating that there was like, uh, there was another brother in the true story and, um, and he passed. And Sean Durkin, our director and writer, thought if he added, it would be like, like the story's too, the actual story's too unbelievable.

• 24:55Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, right.

• 24:56Speaker 05

  That like, if you were to tell the true story, people might go, oh, this is not, you know, um. There's no way that this despair was kind of following this family.

• 25:06Jessie Ware?

  But you, I mean, you bulked up for that, right?

• 25:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 25:09Jessie Ware?

  And so you must have had to have been really disciplined with that.

• 25:12Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, I like to exercise. I'm all, I'm all for that stuff, but I had never, um. That was tough. It was like eating as much as we were sort of eating. And then like training in a different way, like I like to run and do rope and kind of like push ups and pull ups and sort of body weight stuff. And, um, and, uh, I was kind of told to just not. Even walk quickly because I was just trying to like, keep as much like

• 25:38Speaker 04

  Bulk.

• 25:39Speaker 05

  Weight and bulk as I could. So I was eating a lot and just lifting very heavy, heavy things all the time.

• 25:44Speaker 04

  So when you do these rules and you can gain weight, what do you have to eat?

• 25:49Speaker 05

  So in that case, it was a lot of, it was probably very unhealthy. It was a lot of eggs. Um, it was a lot of like, no, I mean, a lot of burgers and stuff like that.

• 25:58Speaker 04

  Burgers.

• 25:58Speaker 05

  So you're allowed protein.

• 25:59Speaker 04

  With beans, yeah.

• 26:00Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 26:01Speaker 04

  Cream on your ice cream, yeah.

• 26:02Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. Like milkshakes and stuff like that. In the beginning, I was just trying to, yeah, like, gain weight.

• 26:09Speaker 04

  So how much weight did you gain for that?

• 26:11Speaker 05

  Um, I see. I was probably one forty, one forty-five pounds. Uh, and then I think I got to like one sixty-five, like maybe twenty, maybe twenty-five pounds.

• 26:22Speaker 04

  And was it between like season one and two of The Bear?

• 26:26Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 26:26Speaker 04

  So then, but did you have to then like shred again to be calming?

• 26:29Speaker 05

  Yeah, but that was very, you know, I kind of went back to eating the way that I like to eat and I went back to exercising the way that I like to exercise. So it was fairly, um, that I didn't find to be, it was kind of a relief to like, eat a little bit less again.

• 26:43Speaker 04

  Jeremy, do you exercise every day?

• 26:46Speaker 05

  I tr- I try, I try.

• 26:48Speaker 04

  What do you do? What's your regime?

• 26:50Speaker 05

  So when I'm at home, um, I run up, I run up a hill. Uh, it's about two miles, uh, up this hill near my home. Um, and then I have a little garage where I have just really like a pull-up bar and a dip bar and a little like bike, assault bike with a fan.

• 27:07Speaker 04

  My husband's a trainer and we have one of them and they're like,

• 27:11Speaker 05

  Devastating.

• 27:11Speaker 04

  They're horrible, but they get the job done.

• 27:13Speaker 05

  Totally. Yeah, they get your heart rate up. Um, and that's really, I mean, that's really it. Like an hour of, you know, that or jump rope when I'm traveling around and stuff.

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• 28:39Jessie Ware?

  So we have, Mum, you've made onion quiche, which is delicious.

• 28:44Speaker 04

  I hope so.

• 28:44Jessie Ware?

  And then I've made a New York Times salad, which is kind of like, they call it a fall salad. So it's kind of crispy sage, cheddar cheese, apple, like, dijon, yeah, it's a bit of that.

• 28:56Speaker 05

  Great, beautiful.

• 28:56Jessie Ware?

  And then we've got some cookies for after, that you don't have to have now. You can have in between a little break, whatever.

• 29:01Speaker 05

  Cool, cool.

• 29:01Jessie Ware?

  Fine.

• 29:02Speaker 05

  Oh, cheers.

• 29:03Jessie Ware?

  So if we were coming over to yours, what would you make for us, Jeremy?

• 29:06Speaker 05

  Um, let me see.

• 29:07Speaker 04

  He's been to culinary school.

• 29:09Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's funny, I actually, one of the first things I learned, you know, it was kind of like a short rib, like, it's like a Sunday roast kind of, um,

• 29:17Speaker 04

  Oh, wow.

• 29:18Speaker 05

  deal, because it's very easy and very easy to clean up, but it's very like, you know, good and rich and hearty. And, and that's something I enjoy doing.

• 29:27Jessie Ware?

  Is that, because I swear roasts are more of a UK thing, right?

• 29:30Speaker 05

  They are, yeah, exactly. I'd spent some time here when I was young, in my early twenties, and, and would go for, you know, the roasts in the pubs and, and, um, and I really, I really loved it. And, uh, and then Maddie Matheson, who's a wonderful chef and on the show.

• 29:45Speaker 04

  Is he a good chef?

• 29:46Jessie Ware?

  That's his job, Mum.

• 29:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's his job.

• 29:48Jessie Ware?

  Acting like secondary.

• 29:50Speaker 04

  I didn't know.

• 29:51Jessie Ware?

  He's a good actor, though, too, isn't he?

• 29:52Speaker 05

  Oh, this is very good.

• 29:53Jessie Ware?

  It's good, isn't it?

• 29:54Speaker 05

  Yeah, lovely. Um, I was having breakfast and this feels like a breakfast and a lunch.

• 29:59Jessie Ware?

  Okay, great.

• 30:00Speaker 05

  And we're getting it all.

• 30:01Jessie Ware?

  Perfect.

• 30:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, so he, he taught me how to make a roast. Um, and that's like an easy thing because it's so easily sort of cleaned up.

• 30:08Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 30:08Speaker 05

  Um, my girls really like salmon, so I can, I make a nice, you know, a nice salmon, um. I worked through this book. Have you ever gone to Frankie's in New York, in Carol Gardens, actually?

• 30:20Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, do they do the massive meatballs and stuff or not?

• 30:23Speaker 05

  Yes, they do with the pine nuts and, uh, yes.

• 30:25Jessie Ware?

  Yes, they're delicious.

• 30:26Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, very good.

• 30:26Jessie Ware?

  So good that is.

• 30:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, that place is great and I, I, I got their cookbook and kind of worked through their cookbook also at the suggestion of, of Maddie, who, yes, he, it's funny, on the show, he plays, um, you know, he never touches a spoon or a knife or, you know.

• 30:44Speaker 04

  He's always trying to mend the fridge.

• 30:45Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 30:46Speaker 04

  Not very well.

• 30:47Speaker 05

  No, but he's incredibly capable, uh, in, uh, in, yeah, his real life.

• 30:51Jessie Ware?

  Did he, did he, did he ever cook for you?

• 30:53Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 30:54Jessie Ware?

  Oh, so, like, would you do kind of family stuff? Like, would he, would he cook for the, the cast?

• 30:59Speaker 05

  Yeah, we all stay in a, uh, kind of this apartment complex, um, in Chicago. And we kind of take over one floor between the all, all of us and we have Maddie Matheson and Courtney Storey, who's Chris Storey's sister. Really amazing chef. She helps on the show. She also opened this restaurant, John and Vinnie's, uh, on Fairfax in Los Angeles, which is really great.

• 31:23Jessie Ware?

  I, you, you've been to John and Vinnie's, Mum?

• 31:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 31:26Jessie Ware?

  I love their, like, I know, I know it's basic bitch of me. I like it. The salad pizza's really good.

• 31:31Speaker 05

  It's really good.

• 31:32Jessie Ware?

  I really like it.

• 31:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 31:34Jessie Ware?

  It, it hits the spot every time.

• 31:35Speaker 05

  Their cut looks really nice, like, you know.

• 31:37Speaker 04

  Is that the one in, when we were in?

• 31:38Speaker 05

  They've got a few of them there.

• 31:40Jessie Ware?

  Fairfax, they've got one, and then they've got one in, like, I think Bev- is it Beverly Hills? They've got one near Benny.

• 31:44Speaker 05

  It's like Beverly Hills and, uh, on the west side, maybe they have one now.

• 31:48Jessie Ware?

  I love it.

• 31:49Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's lovely. And, and, and so she, like, helped make that menu with John and Vinnie.

• 31:52Jessie Ware?

  Okay, great.

• 31:53Speaker 05

  Um, so we'll be on this floor and, and Coco is often cooking and we'll all go over there or Maddie's kind of cooking and we'll go over there. But it's funny, he's been on this, like, weight loss and fitness journey. So he makes very simple.

• 32:07Speaker 04

  Who, Maddie?

• 32:07Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. He has, he looks great. And, uh, so he makes what he calls like dog bowls, which is like, you know. Rice and meat and, you know, kind of like grain bowls, I guess, that are like, you know, um, yeah, yeah, yeah. Protein heavy and, you know, but really nice at the end of a long day before you go to bed. It's kind of nice.

• 32:25Jessie Ware?

  Did you ever take Will Poulter's like advice of where to eat in Chicago whilst you were filming?

• 32:31Speaker 05

  Um.

• 32:32Jessie Ware?

  He seems to like be an encyclopedia of

• 32:34Speaker 05

  He does.

• 32:35Jessie Ware?

  The greatest places to eat.

• 32:36Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, we learned with the same. So there's this guy, Chef Dave Bran, who has a place, Pas Drulie, in Santa Monica. Um, and both Will and I trained there. And Chef Dave is from Chicago and worked at Alinia for a very long time. So we both had Dave as kind of like our, uh, as our guide. But yeah, there's amazing. I mean, you know.

• 32:56Speaker 04

  The meat's great in Chicago.

• 32:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, incredible. Yeah, heavy, wonderful, um, stuff. And then really amazing, like Oriole is this really, really great, uh, uh, spot. I've had an amazing meal there. Um, Bavette's a wonderful steakhouse. La Scorola is a great kind of like red tablecloth, uh, Italian spot. But, um, but yeah, Will is incredibly knowledgeable. Yeah.

• 33:19Jessie Ware?

  So, so you'd make us a short rib. That would be what you were making. Have you got a sweet tooth at all?

• 33:24Speaker 05

  I do. Yeah, I really like chocolate. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 33:27Jessie Ware?

  And what's your go-to chocolate bar?

• 33:29Speaker 05

  I like the, um, I don't know if it's English or German. Um, they have them more in the States now though. Kinder.

• 33:35Jessie Ware?

  Oh, Kinder.

• 33:36Speaker 05

  Yeah, all those things. Yeah, so good. Oh, they're cookies. My girls really like the eggs. So we have a lot of that in the house. Yeah.

• 33:44Jessie Ware?

  Um, so last supper, Jeremy.

• 33:46Speaker 05

  Mm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

• 33:48Jessie Ware?

  First, first course, where are we going?

• 33:50Speaker 05

  Um, I think I want to go back to my childhood and be in a diner and do something very simple, like, um, it might be heavy for a starter, but do like a, like a grilled cheese and tomato soup or something like that. I think that's very like, um.

• 34:04Jessie Ware?

  What's a grilled chea- what? So it's a grilled chea- oh, grilled cheese and tomato soup.

• 34:08Speaker 05

  With tomato soup, exactly.

• 34:09Jessie Ware?

  Do you get like a half cheese sandwich?

• 34:10Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly. Or maybe for a starter, yes, it would be almost like thinly sliced, almost like soldiers to put in the tomato.

• 34:18Jessie Ware?

  Is the soup like Campbell's soup?

• 34:20Speaker 05

  I think it would be in this case because that would probably remind me the most of, yeah, yeah, my, my childhood. And then. For the main, I think it would have to be a really nice, like, piece of meat, like, a very nice, like, steak with a, with like a peppercorn and, and like french fries or something like that.

• 34:38Speaker 04

  How do you take your steak? How do you cook it? Like, medium rare?

• 34:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, medium rare. Yeah, medium rare. Um, but I'll defer to, you know, the, the kitchen, however they, however they prefer.

• 34:48Speaker 04

  What's the, what are the sides that you're having?

• 34:50Speaker 05

  I think, I, I mean fries absolutely would have to be a part of this, this meal somewhere. Maybe like a, a spinach, but I'm like, who am I trying to impress? I'm not going anywhere, right? This is it. I think just fries and more sort of fries and then, uh, and then for dessert, um,

• 35:11Speaker 05

  trying to think of something as like a kid's.

• 35:12Speaker 04

  Do you like ice cream?

• 35:14Speaker 05

  I mean, I think it would be a sundae, right?

• 35:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 35:16Speaker 05

  I think that's the right answer.

• 35:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think you're right.

• 35:18Speaker 05

  Um, a sundae with like, maybe like a crushed, like peanuts and, um, uh, uh, sauce, caramel, chocolate. I don't know. Is there a most common dessert that you guys have heard on the show?

• 35:34Speaker 04

  People go for tiramisu.

• 35:36Speaker 05

  Really?

• 35:36Speaker 04

  Sticky toffee pudding bricks go for.

• 35:38Speaker 05

  Uh, sure, sure, sure.

• 35:38Speaker 04

  Cause I don't know if you, do you have sticky toffee pudding?

• 35:40Speaker 05

  I mean, yeah, if you go to the right, but it's not like common, I suppose, yeah.

• 35:45Speaker 04

  Who, well, people go for ice cream, but like, I feel like mum just like pushed you into ice cream.

• 35:49Speaker 05

  Yeah. No, that is where I was wondering.

• 35:52Speaker 04

  She directed that.

• 35:53Speaker 05

  That was where I was, I was kind of going. It was like a cake or an ice cream.

• 35:57Speaker 04

  So on the bear, when they have all those intricate desserts, who's doing all that?

• 36:02Speaker 05

  Courtney Storey, Chris's sister, the creator of our show, prepares a lot of that food with a team. I mean, it takes a lot of people.

• 36:10Speaker 04

  But you have to like put it together sometimes and then there's IO doing it with little tweezers, putting things on top.

• 36:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, I feel like in the first and second seasons, we were doing a lot of the cooking on camera. And then in the later seasons, it's been a lot of like plating and sort of like perfecting like that aspect and presentation and stuff.

• 36:29Speaker 04

  Oh, because you've elevated the whole.

• 36:31Speaker 05

  Cause we've elevated a little bit, yeah, um.

• 36:33Speaker 04

  Are you, have you got your Michelin star or whatever you get?

• 36:36Speaker 05

  We're trying.

• 36:37Jessie Ware?

  They just got the good.

• 36:38Speaker 05

  Desperately.

• 36:38Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, there was like, it was the end. There was the review, wasn't it?

• 36:41Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 36:42Speaker 04

  You got a good review, but you're going for the meat.

• 36:43Jessie Ware?

  No, and Marcus won the up and coming.

• 36:45Speaker 05

  Best new chef.

• 36:46Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 36:46Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 36:47Speaker 04

  Love Marcus.

• 36:48Jessie Ware?

  Love Marcus.

• 36:49Speaker 05

  And I have to tell you a story that I just heard recently. So Lionel, voice who plays Marcus, um, he went to the French Laundry with some friends, uh, you know, up, up north.

• 36:59Speaker 04

  Jessie went for the.

• 37:00Speaker 05

  Oh, really?

• 37:01Jessie Ware?

  I went for my fortieth, yeah.

• 37:02Speaker 05

  Oh, how was it?

• 37:03Jessie Ware?

  It was really, they were, you know what I found so interesting was that like, the French Laundry, you think of it and it's like this thing.

• 37:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 37:09Jessie Ware?

  They have like, like kind of hit radio on in the background.

• 37:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 37:14Jessie Ware?

  Which cracks me up because they're just like, they don't want it. So you've got like loads of tech bros probably over there.

• 37:19Speaker 05

  It's not super fussy necessarily.

• 37:20Jessie Ware?

  No.

• 37:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 37:21Jessie Ware?

  Which I really liked. It was really kind of, it, you, you didn't, you, you'd expect it to be like classical music or something like that, right?

• 37:28Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 37:29Jessie Ware?

  But I really liked that about it and they were really good fun.

• 37:31Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 37:31Jessie Ware?

  They were so warm and generous. But yeah, go and tell me about.

• 37:33Speaker 05

  They're very, yeah, they're very warm and, and, and kind and Lionel had gone up there with some friends and, uh, and at the end of the meal, um, they brought out a cart with a recreation of every single dessert.

• 37:46Jessie Ware?

  Oh, my god.

• 37:47Speaker 05

  Marcus has ever prepared.

• 37:48Jessie Ware?

  No.

• 37:48Speaker 05

  On the show and it made me like really like weep. I was like hearing the story. It was like so beautiful and, and like sweet. Yeah.

• 37:56Jessie Ware?

  That's gorgeous.

• 37:57Speaker 04

  The whole thing about the bear is everyone's journey.

• 38:00Speaker 05

  Totally.

• 38:00Speaker 04

  I know. The, um, oh god, what's her name? The lady, the Latin American lady.

• 38:05Speaker 05

  Oh, Liza's the actress, yeah, Tina. She plays Tina.

• 38:07Speaker 04

  Oh, she plays Tina and she, I mean, the way her whole life has changed in the bear.

• 38:13Speaker 05

  It's the searching. I mean, i- i- it's food in the case of our show and I'm very grateful for that because food is such a, a connector, uh, uh, uh, and, and a symbol of sort of community and representation of self. Um, but really the show is so much about purpose and wherever you find that purpose, it, I'm glad it's a kitchen. I'm glad it's food, but it could sort of be uh, any industry where it's really about the pursuit of like belonging and, and purpose ultimately.

• 38:39Jessie Ware?

  Can we, can we talk more about Springsteen?

• 38:41Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 38:42Jessie Ware?

  Like, you must, you've spent quite a lot of time with him, haven't you?

• 38:45Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 38:46Jessie Ware?

  Would you call yourself friends now?

• 38:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, which is strange, but yeah, yeah, I think he's a friend. Yeah.

• 38:51Speaker 04

  Do you, do you know why he's called the boss? We don't know.

• 38:55Speaker 05

  You know, his approach in his work um is so uh uh focused, he's very determined, um uh very disciplined, as we discussed. Um there's stories of him, especially as a younger artist, keeping these engineers in the rooms with him, listening to a snare for nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen hours.

• 39:15Jessie Ware?

  You touched on that with the kind of trying to get the sound of Nebraska and how.

• 39:19Speaker 05

  Totally.

• 39:19Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, and.

• 39:20Speaker 04

  The four-track recorder.

• 39:22Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 39:23Speaker 04

  In the bedroom.

• 39:23Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 39:24Speaker 05

  Yeah, the the obsessiveness about that sound.

• 39:26Jessie Ware?

  Yes, yeah, yeah. But he does it, it seems there's such, everyone loves him and like it kind of, they respect the craft.

• 39:34Speaker 05

  I think as long as the pursuit is is like just and and there's like a real path forward and you're not being cruel.

• 39:43Jessie Ware?

  Hmm.

• 39:44Speaker 05

  I think people want to be on that journey with you, even if it's frustrating, even if it takes a lot of time, I think it's very easy to follow someone who has great passion, you know, and I think Bruce has that.

• 39:55Jessie Ware?

  It must be a weird feeling because you're you're doing press, of course, about this amazing, brilliant film about this icon, but he's still alive. And so it's this weird, it must be a weird thing kind of having to kind of speak for him. And you do it really beautifully and eloquently and respectfully, but it's an odd thing when he's down the bloody hall.

• 40:14Speaker 05

  Absolutely.

• 40:15Speaker 04

  He must have been pleased with the film, though.

• 40:18Speaker 05

  No, he's he is, he's been lovely and very supportive and throughout the process. But you're absolutely right. I think especially in the beginning, I was being asked questions about sort of Bruce's childhood and things like that. And, you know, I have my understanding and what I've learned and speaking to him and reading what I've read. But at the end of the day, the man is here and, you know, it's not really my place to speak about, I had a job to try to interpret as much as I could, um but uh but I don't get the final say in in any of these things, you know, Bruce is here, yeah.

• 40:50Speaker 04

  You've played a lot of serious people.

• 40:52Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 40:53Speaker 04

  You could do the good old romantic comedy.

• 40:55Speaker 05

  I would love to, yeah.

• 40:56Speaker 04

  That'd be nice. Who would be your co-star, do you think?

• 40:59Speaker 05

  Oh, my goodness, there's so many wonderful um actresses. I think they're like like Sao irse Ronan. I'm such an admirer, she's amazing.

• 41:07Jessie Ware?

  Have you met her?

• 41:08Speaker 05

  I've never met her.

• 41:09Speaker 04

  We had her on the podcast.

• 41:10Speaker 05

  Oh, really?

• 41:11Jessie Ware?

  She's gorgeous.

• 41:12Speaker 04

  She loves potatoes, that's the way to her heart.

• 41:15Speaker 05

  Yeah, oh, cool. Any particular, uh, presentation?

• 41:18Speaker 04

  No, but she likes potatoes.

• 41:20Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 41:21Speaker 04

  Could you see yourself being a Fred Astaire in a film? Since she's got that tap dancing.

• 41:26Jessie Ware?

  I see where this is leading, Lily.

• 41:28Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 41:29Jessie Ware?

  Lily's gonna ask you to tap dance.

• 41:31Speaker 04

  No, I'm not gonna ask you to tap dance, I think that would be very embarrassing for me and you. But would you, could you see yourself dancing in a film?

• 41:39Speaker 05

  I would love to do that kind of thing and also have that sort of like joy, like, you know, I've I've recently re-watched, um, uh, Singing in the Rain with my daughters. And there's like such like joy and Gene Kelly and his singing and his movement. And you watch a movie like that and there's no heaviness and the seriousness and I'm kind of like, oh, wow.

• 41:59Speaker 04

  That would be nice, wouldn't it?

• 42:01Speaker 05

  Like, could that, like, you know, one day doing something, you know, along those lines, um. And it's fun, it's like, you know, in the make them laugh sequence, you know, in, in that film. I'm watching with Dolores, my youngest is four, and my parents, so it's like three generations. And everybody is like laughing with the same intensity and there's something so pure about the laughter too, you're not really laughing at anybody, it's like, um. There's, it's so joyous, really, yeah.

• 42:27Speaker 04

  But you could be a Disney prince for your daughters, so.

• 42:29Speaker 05

  Oh, cheers, it's so nice to say.

• 42:31Speaker 04

  That would be nice.

• 42:32Speaker 05

  Um, that would be nice.

• 42:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:34Speaker 05

  That would be nice, yeah, yeah.

• 42:36Speaker 04

  With a cute little song.

• 42:38Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 42:38Jessie Ware?

  But for, do you want a cookie or do you wanna take one for later?

• 42:41Speaker 05

  I'll take one with me, you know, I'll have it at, I'll have it at the, uh, uh, at the premiere to give me like a little, um.

• 42:46Jessie Ware?

  You've got the premiere tonight.

• 42:48Speaker 05

  Well, at BFI, yeah, at the, at the festival.

• 42:50Jessie Ware?

  Oh, yeah, of course, nice.

• 42:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 42:52Jessie Ware?

  That's exciting.

• 42:53Speaker 04

  Oh, is it at the Royal Festival Hall?

• 42:56Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, it will be.

• 42:57Speaker 05

  Who's in charge?

• 42:57Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, it'll be South Bank.

• 42:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 42:58Jessie Ware?

  I think it'll be South Bank, yeah, yeah.

• 42:59Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's great.

• 43:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm very excited.

• 43:02Jessie Ware?

  Where are you gonna eat? Well, there's so some potentially curry tonight, but.

• 43:05Speaker 05

  Well, the thing is, you know, tonight, it's like, we have our, we have our screening and then we have a Q and A and then we have another Q and A for another screening.

• 43:12Jessie Ware?

  Mm-hmm.

• 43:13Speaker 05

  I think Jeremy Strong is gonna go to a place, Fonda, is that right?

• 43:16Jessie Ware?

  Oh, yeah, that's, um, Santiago's place.

• 43:18Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 43:18Jessie Ware?

  It's like.

• 43:19Speaker 05

  Oh, right, from, uh, from Noma.

• 43:21Jessie Ware?

  Uh, yes, of course.

• 43:22Speaker 05

  Yes, who I know.

• 43:22Jessie Ware?

  And he has Carl.

• 43:23Speaker 05

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 43:23Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, he's lovely.

• 43:24Speaker 05

  He's amazing, um, so I think they're all gonna go there and I'm gonna kind of see if I've got the, if I got the stuff to, to make it out, but, um, but yeah.

• 43:33Jessie Ware?

  Before we let you go.

• 43:35Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 43:35Jessie Ware?

  Could you give us, and you may have already answered it, but maybe not.

• 43:38Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 43:39Jessie Ware?

  Um, could you give us a nostalgic taste that can transport you back somewhere? Happy or sad?

• 43:44Speaker 05

  Okay. I mean, I'll make an addition, um, there was a coffee shop on the corner of Fourth Street and Fifth Avenue in the apartment I grew up in, in Brooklyn. There was a coffee shop on the corner and I would go there and I would have grilled cheese and tomato soup and also have a vanilla milkshake. And that particular grilled cheese, tomato soup and vanilla milkshake, I can still taste it. It was the best grilled cheese and milkshake I'd ever had. Um, that coffee shop is gone, but I think of that meal often, yeah.

• 44:13Jessie Ware?

  But thank you, Jeremy.

• 44:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 44:14Jessie Ware?

  Thank you for being here and doing it.

• 44:16Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 44:16Speaker 04

  Thank you for coming, darling.

• 44:17Speaker 05

  So nice talking to you guys. You guys are so lovely.

• 44:18Jessie Ware?

  Good luck with the film. It's really brilliant.

• 44:19Speaker 05

  Thank you. I appreciate you.

• 44:20Jessie Ware?

  And you're amazing in it.

• 44:21Speaker 05

  Those look very good.

• 44:22Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, it's, so it's a tahini, salted chocolates. So it's got a lot of chocolate in there, so just like, take a few for like.

• 44:29Speaker 05

  Okay, beautiful, I'm going to, yeah, that's so lovely.

• 44:32Jessie Ware?

  Thank you so much.

• 44:32Speaker 05

  Thank you, thank you, guys, it's a real pleasure.

• 44:48Jessie Ware?

  Well, that was lovely.

• 44:50Speaker 04

  It's so delightful.

• 44:51Jessie Ware?

  It's very sweet.

• 44:52Speaker 04

  Very sweet.

• 44:53Jessie Ware?

  Very, like, looks you in the eye, you know, really, like. Looks you deep in the eye.

• 45:00Speaker 04

  Blue eyes.

• 45:00Jessie Ware?

  They are amazing eyes.

• 45:01Speaker 04

  I didn't realise he'd had contact lenses in.

• 45:05Jessie Ware?

  Mum, I just didn't realise, I didn't think about it till I saw the blue eyes. And your quiche, yet again.

• 45:12Speaker 04

  Did you, you liked that?

• 45:14Jessie Ware?

  I love it, Mum. I love it.

• 45:16Speaker 04

  Well, how was the pastry?

• 45:17Jessie Ware?

  Pastry was very good, Lenny. Very, very good.

• 45:21Speaker 04

  Thank you, darling.

• 45:23Jessie Ware?

  Thank you to Jeremy Allen White for coming on the podcast and eating with us. I hope you get your curry. And Springsteen Deliver Me From Nowhere is out now.

• 45:33Speaker 04

  And he was down the corridor.

• 45:35Jessie Ware?

  I know, that's so mad.

• 45:36Speaker 04

  I don't think he'd eat quiche though, darling.

• 45:39Jessie Ware?

  You don't think I could slip him a little cookie? Maybe I've given, I've given Jeremy about five cookies. Maybe the boss will have one.

• 45:44Speaker 04

  Boss will have a tahini and chopped up cookie.

• 45:46Jessie Ware?

  Pick me up, you know, a little afternoon.

• 45:48Speaker 04

  I'm sure if he knew tahini was in it, he'd.

• 45:51Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, exactly. We'll see you next week for more.

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