Bonus Episode: Rock 'n' Roll Second Acts

This week in the After Party, Jake looks at second acts in music history. Which artists went on to form successful groups whose impact matched or exceeded that of their breakthrough group? Plus, we'll hear from you on this question and more. For more great Disgraceland episodes, dive into our extensive archive, including such episodes as: Episode 92 - Derek and the Dominos https://www.disgracelandpod.com/092/eric-clapton Episode 154 - Jane's Addiction https://www.disgracelandpod.com/154/janes-addiction Episode 137 - New Order https://www.disgracelandpod.com/137/new-order Episode 49 https://www.disgracelandpod.com/049/guns-n-roses-pt-1 and 50 https://www.disgracelandpod.com/050/guns-n-roses-pt-2 - Guns 'n' Roses To hear an extended version of the After Party and unlock access to a monthly exclusive episode and ad free listening, become a Disgraceland All Access member at disgracelandpod.com/membership. https://disgracelandpod.com/membership. Visit www.disgracelandpod.com/merch https://www.disgracelandpod.com/merch to see the latest Disgraceland merch! Sign up for our newsletter and get the inside dirt on events, merch and other awesomeness - GET THE NEWSLETTER https://mailchi.mp/doubleelvis/disgraceland-email-newsletter Follow Jake and DISGRACELAND: Instagram https://www.instagram.com/disgracelandpod/ YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@disgracelandpod X https://twitter.com/disgracelandpod (formerly Twitter) To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 1:46Jake Brennan?

  Hey, Discos. Need a little more DisgraceLand in your life? Just a touch, to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to DisgraceLand: The Afterparty.

• 2:12Jake Brennan?

  Welcome to the DisgraceLand bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the after-party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of DisgraceLand to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking about Chris Cornell. We are previewing the coming episode on Winona Ryder, talking artists with follow-up bands that were more impactful than their breakthroughs. And we get into your voicemails, texts, DMs, emails, and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. All right, discos, let's get into it.

• 2:57Jake Brennan?

  All right, Chris Cornell, this week's full episode subject, broke through, obviously, in Soundgarden, and then went to find success in Audioslave. The question of the week this week was, what artist had more impact in their follow-up band than they did in their breakthrough band? Obviously, Chris Cornell's career inspired this question. Now, for the record, I'm leaving off people like Dave Navarro, who went from Jane's Addiction to the Red Hot Chili Peppers. It's a bit of a nuanced reason, but it's because Chili Peppers weren't really Navarro's band. He joined pretty much as a side man, wasn't even a full member, in my opinion, so he doesn't qualify. Neither does someone like Ronnie James Dio, who left Black Sabbath to have a successful solo career.

• 3:41Jake Brennan?

  We're talking groups here, okay? Making it into groups, two bands, is a much harder achievement, in my estimation. Those artists who break through with one band and then repeat their success, or then they surpass their previous success in another group, that's huge. That is not easy. So, I was surprised to learn that Soundgarden has sold significantly more albums than Audioslave. Thirty million for Soundgarden to just eight million for Audioslave.

• 4:11Jake Brennan?

  The Boys in Guns N' Roses, they did not fare better with Velvet Revolver. GNR is a significantly bigger band than Velvet Revolver, as was Stone Temple Pilots. Here's one, though, bit of left field, not really. I wouldn't have thought of this. I looked it up this morning. Bellevue, much bigger group for Ronnie, Ricky and Michael than New Edition. Okay, what about Blur and Gorillaz? This, this one is shocking to me, okay? Gorillaz have sold far more albums than Blur, something like 40 million to 6 million. Gorillaz, that is incredible. It's amazing. He'll always be Damon from Blur to me, though.

• 4:53Jake Brennan?

  Kim Deal's Breeders album, Last Splash, has supposedly sold more than all of the Pixies albums combined. I don't know, I read that and I think the internet might be fucking with me on this one. This, this does not sound like it's right, but yeah. Cannonball, man. Crazy. Here's a super relevant one, because we were talking about this a couple of weeks ago. Two, two after-parties ago, I believe. We were talking about Joy Division and New Order. By the way, I know I'm supposed to have an update on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees, but I'm recording this after-party way earlier than I normally do, because we need to get it produced in advance,

• 5:35Jake Brennan?

  because of some vacation stuff that's going on, school vacation, that sort of thing. So I don't have the nominee, Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductee, excuse me, inductee update for you just yet. But when we were talking about this a couple of episodes ago, a couple of bonus episodes ago, we were talking about Joy Division and New Order as a potential. They're nominated, they might be inducted. I don't think they're gonna get in. I don't understand why they're, they're being inducted as two groups. That doesn't make any fucking sense. But, you know, after, of course, Ian Curtis died, Peter Hook, Stephen Morris and Bernard Summer went on to form New Order, and sold way more.

• 6:16Jake Brennan?

  Way more records than Joy Division, but I'm guessing not as many t-shirts. Should sales be the final deciding element here? I don't know. I think so, because sales usually correlate with radio play, video play, and cultural impact, except maybe in the case of breeders versus Pixies. To me, the Pixies are way more culturally impactful. They've been doing this for so long, and I feel like they've, they've just, they've touched more people. It's anecdotal, but that's how I feel. I'm curious what you guys think on the, on the Pixies-breeders question. I think we have to mention Dave Mustang here, who, after getting booted from Metallica, went on to form Megadeth. They never did what Metallica did, and Dave is still crying about it, but they are one

• 6:57Jake Brennan?

  of the top four thrash bands of all time, along with Metallica, Slayer, and Anthrax, part of the so-called Big Four. Who else? Who else? Eric Clapton? From Yardbirds to Cream to Derek and the Dominos, does he get it for doing it three times? I guess you can make the case, but Yardbirds weren't really his band, were they? I don't know. Is this the right answer? Derek and the Dominos, one album, and not a very good one. This feels like a, a cheap win, if it's a win at all. Paul McCartney, jumping from Beatles to Wings, is worthy of our consideration, despite the fact that Wings were obviously not as big as the Beatles.

• 7:38Jake Brennan?

  The big one here is, of course, Foo Fighters. Dave Grohl going on to just, you know, have this incredible career with Foo Fighters after being the drummer in Nirvana. And I think you gotta give a special tip of the hat to Dave Grohl for going from playing drums to fronting the band. But, but, I was a little surprised by this one, too. Foo Fighters have sold half as many albums as Nirvana. I get that Nirvana is truly iconic, but I would think the amount of time Foo Fighters have been around. I thought there was a chance they actually sold more records, but no, it's like 72, 75

• 8:19Jake Brennan?

  million for Nirvana and something like 32, 35 million for Foo Fighters. So there you go. What about, what about Steve Malchamis going from Pavement to the Heavy Quartet, though? I'm just kidding. I just wanted to mention the Heavy Quartet. Okay. I think, I think those are our contenders. I don't think I'm really forgetting anyone of significance, but you guys are going to let me know when I get to the phone calls. What's, what is the answer? Okay. Which second act was more impactful than the first? Surprisingly, I'm very surprised by this, but I think the answer is Damon Albarn and Gorillaz. I think Gorillaz over Blur. Those record sales numbers are no joke and they dwarf Blur's success. I

• 8:58Jake Brennan?

  knew Blur never sold a ton of records beyond the UK, but I, I would never have guessed that Gorillaz were bigger. I should have known. I should have known. So that's my answer. Damon Albarn. That's right. I don't know. Maybe you can make the case for Bell Biv DeVoe as well, but my gut tells me more people think about Blur than they do New Edition. So that's why I give it to Gorillaz over Bell Biv DeVoe. But maybe that's just my side of the street. Then again, I grew up illegally buying beer in Boston's combat zone. So I know a little thing or two about New Edition, but I want to know what you guys think. We're going to get to your answers on this question shortly, but first I have to tell you about this week's Rewind Archive episode coming your way right after this bonus episode. It's on. Matt, give us a little drum roll. Go ahead.

• 9:44Jake Brennan?

  It's on. Iggy Pop. David Bowie fans, you're not going to want to miss this one either. Bowie's a big part of Iggy's story. Bowie's a big part of this episode. Lots of other cool people show up in this episode, too. Miles Davis, Dennis Hopper, a bunch of our subjects. So if you haven't heard our Iggy Pop episode, you're going to love it. And if you have, you're in for a treat when you re-listen to it. Coming up after that on Tuesday, we've got our episode on Winona Ryder and Winona is of course, pretty rock and roll, which is why we thought to feature her in Disgrace Land. Winona, however, is the last of our Icon Series artists. And will eventually find her way into the Hollywoodland archive as disgraceland

• 10:23Jake Brennan?

  becomes once again solely music content. But for now, you've got Mrs. Johnny Depp, not really, but sort of, coming your way next week. Winona Ryder, okay? This all brings us to next week's question of the week. When you're listening to the Winona Ryder episode, be thinking about all those iconic eighties and nineties female starlets. And let me know if Winona is Gen X's most iconic female actor. If not Winona, then who? Drew Barrymore? Cameron Diaz? Who is it? Let me know. 617-906-6638. Heather Graham? Leave me a voicemail. Send me a text. Not you, Heather Graham. You guys. Send me a voicemail. Leave me a text. Let me know if Heather Graham is more iconic than

• 11:06Jake Brennan?

  Winona Ryder or Drew Barrymore. Who is it? Disgraceland Pod on the socials. All right, I'm gonna take a quick break. I'll be hanging on the telephone on the other side with your voicemails, texts, and DMs.

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• 12:11Speaker 06

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• 13:00Jake Brennan?

  All right, 617-906-6638. You know where I'm at. I'm in the phone booth. It's the one across the hall. I'm hanging on the telephone. You want to send me a voicemail? You want to send me a text? That's how you do it. Let's check out this one from, who we looking at here? The 765.

• 13:15Speaker 06

  Jake, what's up? It's Metalhead Monday from the 765, North Central, Indiana, coming at you. You asked about artists that their follow-up projects were better, more influential, whatever, than their original breakthrough projects. I'm gonna go with Neil Young, dude. Buffalo Springfield, I mean, you know, they were good. They had a hit, right? But man, Neil Young went on to become Neil Young. I mean, totally influential, great music,

• 13:58Speaker 06

  decades-long career, still going. Neil Young, all the way, man. Rock and roll.

• 14:05Jake Brennan?

  Metalhead Monday, I appreciate you, brother. Listen, I'm kinda breaking my own rule here, only because, look, Neil Young, solo artist. So I'm not counting the solo artist. I should have said that, I guess, when I posed the question, but I thought it was obvious because the group piece of this is so key. However, Crosby, Stills, Nash, and whoever the fuck, AKA Neil Young, as I once said, Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young, you could make the argument that you're trying to make here for Neil, relevant to Buffalo Springfield. Let's check out the 270. Hey Jake, not Jack. This is Todd, not

• 14:42Speaker 06

  From the 270 Nashville area, but your question about the artist who had a second band or whatever, Impact or whatever, it's probably an obvious choice. I guess I gotta go with Dave Grohl. Does that count? Obviously drummer for Nirvana and then frontman, main guy for the Foo Fighters, I guess. Foo Fighters not ma- probably not as impactful, but nonetheless, for 30 years now, been very relevant. Dave Grohl's very relevant. So anyway, I, I'm

• 15:21Speaker 06

  gonna go with that one and maybe a minor shout out to Josh Homme, who was in Kias and then formed Queens of the Stone Age. And that's probably a reach. Anyway, thank you, man. Thank you for your content as always. Love it.

• 15:36Jake Brennan?

  All right, Todd, not Tim. You know, yeah, I feel like Foo Fighters are so impactful despite their record sales not being as much as Nirvana's, that it's hard not to give it to them. It's hard to go with Gorillaz. I feel like if you answered this question that I'm posing at a party and came at people with Gorillaz over Foo Fighters, you'd get shouted down. Just the Foo Fighters, I guess Dave, it's Dave Grohl's celebrity. He's just, he's turned himself into something that is beyond anything Damon Albarn had turned himself into after Blur. And I guess the scale, because Foo Fighters have sold, uh, right

• 16:19Jake Brennan?

  around, that's weird, too. They've only sold as many albums as Gorillaz. Crazy, crazy. I guess Gorillaz are just huge internationally. And I just have an American point of view on this. I don't know. Fascinating question, though. Thanks, Todd, not Tim. All right, 617-906-6638. You can send me a voicemail like Todd, not Tim, like, like Metalhead Monday, or you can send me a text like the 909 who writes, "Hey Jake, Luke here with a quick note pursuant to your Billy Idol after-party. I'm at a club to see a punk show. The after-show playlist..." Includes 100 punks by Generation X, nearly 50 years on, and it still kills as bumper music after a punk show. 909, thank you for the text. Who'd you go see?

• 17:02Jake Brennan?

  I want to know. Let me know. Anyone who wonders what 909 is texting about, it's because we just had this Billy Idol episode in our feed of DisgraceLand. You can check that out. 910 writes in, "Hey Jake, I was listening to your thoughts on Marilyn Manson's autobiography, and I wanted to mention, when will you get around to doing a Nine Inch Nails episode? There's lots of debauchery to be had." Anyway, I will keep listening. Thank you, 910. Well, yeah, I had the same thought because Trent obviously is a big part of Marilyn Manson's story. There's a lot of Trent debauchery in the Marilyn Manson book. I do think a Nine Inch Nails episode, I don't know, I don't know how soon on the heels of Marilyn Manson, but soonish,

• 17:43Jake Brennan?

  because I'm very interested, if for no other reason. 937, "Jimmy Page has to be the answer to the artist who had more successful later group." What? Oh, I guess you're saying, yeah, Led Zeppelin compared to the Yardbirds, but the Yardbirds weren't really Jimmy Page's group. I mean, he was in the group, but you know what I'm saying? 937 goes on to say, "Speaking of Led Zeppelin, I remember running the streets of Boston with my Walkman, and I went to switch out my Van Halen Fair Warning cassette with the Led Zeppelin cassette I had in the front of my Champion hoodie, and it was gone. I was devastated. I only find peace with the hope that a young kid perhaps found it and grew a love for music, maybe even started playing music, and perhaps with any luck, started a podcast about musicians behaving badly. But

• 18:25Jake Brennan?

  what's the chance of that?" Rock-a-roller, Bill from the 937. Bill's referring, of course, to the story I've told before about how I got into Led Zeppelin, which was I was walking in my backyard one morning in the fourth grade, and I literally found Led Zeppelin I in cassette in the dewy grass. It was in its case, so it was fine. And I brought it inside my house, and I put it in my stereo, and Good Times, Bad Times came on, and my life was forever changed in that moment. Had never heard Led Zeppelin before, and-

• 19:02Jake Brennan?

  I don't know, Bill. Let's just, let's say, yeah. Let's say, Bill, we finally connected after all these years. But Boston to where I grew up was about 35 miles. So unless it was on the wings of a, geez, I don't know, some Led Zeppelin-like medieval bird flying down across the Mass Turnpike out into the burbs, I doubt very much that it's the same cassette. But I'm gonna believe it, just for the, just for the poetic license. Thank you, Bill. 617-906-6638. Send me a voicemail or text. DisgraceLandPod on the socials. Ashley Neal writes in on Facebook. "Jake, I've been listening to DisgraceLand since

• 19:42Jake Brennan?

  2020-ish slogging at my shit job. You have helped keep me sane. Love the content. Sincerely meant to call in and give my take on the question about the fave grunge band for the recent Alice in Chains, Lain Staley episode, but didn't get around to it. Honestly, Alice in Chains is my favorite band. I was born in 1983 and I kind of missed out on them initially, but they've been a mainstay in my playlist for my entire teen and adult life. Lain's raw honesty and his lyrics paired with Jerry's guitar and harmonizing vocals just speaks to my soul. That being said, I was kind of surprised no one gave Stone Temple Pilots a nod. Even though they didn't originate in Seattle, I feel like Core and Scott Weiland in general really wove into that genre beautifully and were excellent. What can I say? Apparently, my favorite rock stars were all heroin addicts." Last thing, "I've been racking my brain

• 20:27Jake Brennan?

  trying to remember a band name you mentioned as being rock and roll at a time where a lot of us consider rock and roll to be dead outside of the smaller scope. I feel like I had a, it had a C in the name." It's Low Cut Connie. Low Cut Connie, Ashley. Okay? Another great band I've been listening to lately, new band, Geese. I'm sure you guys have heard of before. Not Goose, not The Goose, Geese. Geese. Okay. Stone Temple Pilots, not being mentioned in the top 10 greatest grunge bands. People have written in to voice the same concern that Ashley has here. I left them off my list because..." I like Stone Temple Pilots, but they were just so contrived when they came out.

• 21:08Jake Brennan?

  They seemed like a laboratory version of what grunge should be. And I think a lot of people feel that way. I think a lot of people feel that way also not that I think not being from Seattle is what I'm trying to say has something to do with it, as you mentioned, Ashley. Stone Temple Pilots remind me of like our generation's version of Creedence Clearwater Revival. Just like a great band, but completely inauthentic. You know, like CCR singing about growing up in the swamps of Louisiana or whatever. And they're from fucking San Francisco or wherever they're from, Northern California. Just they weren't from the bayou. That's all I'm saying. And Stone Temple Pilots just didn't seem like they were grunge beside the flannel.

• 21:52Jake Brennan?

  And I guess the sound, I mean, I get it. I get it, but I just, I disassociate them with that scene for some reason. And I, I suspect that others do as well. Not to take anything away from Stone Temple Pilots. I have grown to appreciate them. I did not back in the day. I guess I kind of did begrudgingly, but not on purpose. All right, guys, you want to connect on social, at Disgraceland Pod on Facebook, on Instagram, on X? Hit me up. All right, we started doing this new thing in the after party last week. We talk a lot here about voicemails. If you guys want me on your voicemail, yes, me, myself and I as the voice of your virtual answering machine, me recording a message for you to have playing for whenever somebody calls and you're not there to pick up the phone.

• 22:35Jake Brennan?

  And honestly, who actually picks up the phone these days? So voice messages are more important than ever. That's what I'm saying, you know, something like, hey, it's Jake from Disgraceland. And you know, Gary ain't here right now. Gary's off at the replacement show. He can't come to the phone, so leave a message. Okay, Gary, you fucking perv, you want me to leave your voicemail for you? I got you. All right. Listen, here's how you make it happen though. You gotta find the Easter egg. I was inspired by Easter. Easter just happened. I hope you all had a great holiday. He has risen. Christos anesti from my Greek friends. Anyways, I was inspired by Easter. I was thinking Easter, Easter eggs. What can we do? Oh, I know what we can do. There's tons of Easter eggs in our episodes.

• 23:18Jake Brennan?

  All I gotta do is find a question, ask it here. You guys dig into the episode, pull out the Easter egg, hit me back either on voicemail, on text, or on the DMs. Although this is the, how you respond might change because I don't know that the posting on social thing is gonna work. Cause once you post it, then everybody can see it, the answer. Dig in a lot of texts, dig in a lot of voicemails with the answer to the Easter egg question, which was in the Sharon Tate, part two, episode of Hollywoodland. Who did Sharon Tate ask for advice concerning her marital problems with Roman Polanski? Who did Sharon seek out for advice? That was the question.

• 24:00Jake Brennan?

  And the answer comes from this week's winner, Ryan in the 281.

• 24:05Speaker 06

  Hey, this is Ryan from Houston. The answer to your questions about the Easter egg is Elkie Summer.

• 24:12Jake Brennan?

  And there you go. Elkie Summer. That's the answer. Elkie Summer, fellow actress friend of Sharon Tate. So Ryan, get in touch, hit me back again. We will coordinate on how to get you this recording for your voicemail. If you have anything special you want me to say, we can work all that out. You want me to leave something a little curated, perhaps a little bespoke? I can do that. You want me to cope with something on the fly? I can do that as well. All right? Hit me back. We'll get this going. Next week, okay? You can, you guys can win next week. Okay. You can win, you can win next time around. You get another spin at the wheel here. Okay? And the question is going to be in the Robin Williams episode of this coming episode of Hollywoodland. Okay. We're coming up with a Robin Williams episode of Hollywoodland.

• 24:58Jake Brennan?

  And the most recent Robin Williams episode of Hollywoodland, the one that is at the top of your Hollywoodland feed right now. The question is, no, I like this one. I like this one because it's it's kind of unintentionally in the form of a joke. Okay, here's the question in the Hollywood land episode on Robin Williams. What did Robin Williams get from the prostitute when he turned 21? Head over to Hollywood land, dive into that Robin Williams episode, find the answer and hit me at 617 906 6638, leave me a voicemail, send me a text with your answer. I guess we're still going to do this on social media. Be the first to post on Instagram when we pose this question, we'll see what happens. And again, the Easter egg answer is in the Robin Williams episode of Hollywood land.

• 25:41Jake Brennan?

  The question is, what did Robin Williams get from the prostitute when he turned 21? All right, now for something totally different. My quick sports rant here in under 30 seconds, which is probably just gonna be a little longer than 30 seconds. I showed my seven year old and my 11 year old major league with Charlie Sheen, basically because they can't get enough baseball right now. And news flash, this movie, this movie isn't as wildly offensive as Bad News Bears, which I love, by the way, but probably shouldn't have shown to my kid when he was five. But Major League is a hard R, if you're wondering, an 80s R. 80s Rs are much harder than 90s or today's Rs. By the way, Hard R would be a great name for a band. Tough to pronounce though, right?

• 26:25Jake Brennan?

  Hard R, what's the name of your band? Hard R, what? No, it's not a good name. If you have to, if, if, when you give the name of your band, the next response is a question, it's not a good band name. It's not a good name for anything, actually, if that happens. So anyways, we made it through with Jake Taylor and the wild thing. My wife almost killed me before it was over, but it's basically one sex scene, some naked dude's asses in the, in the locker room and a torrent of F bombs. You can navigate through it with the remote is what I'm saying. Okay. Put your phone down, you don't have to call social services on me. I'm just saying, if you've got a baseball itch this spring and there isn't a game on or your team sucks, you can revisit Major League with your kids, even if they're seven years old and your wife is, you know, semi cool and you don't mind scarring your kids for life.

• 27:09Jake Brennan?

  All right, I'll be back in a flash to emails in the Hollywood land minute.

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• 27:50Speaker 05

  Hi, I'm Jenna Oshkowitz. You might know me from Glee. This is At the Table, the food allergy podcast, a show about food, connection, and what it really looks like to live with food allergies. Each episode, we hear stories from real people like Daniel.

• 28:05Speaker 06

  People would always think I was lactose intolerant, so I just kind of shortened my explanation to I'm deathly allergic, in a big way that defined a lot of my childhood.

• 28:16Speaker 05

  And while there are challenges, there are moments that remind you you're not alone.

• 28:21Speaker 07

  One of the best guys that I dated, he made a point to memorize all my food allergies.

• 28:27Speaker 05

  So join us and hear their stories and more, because living with food allergies isn't just about what you can't eat, it's about still having your seat at the table. Brought to you by Genentech and Novartis. Listen to At the Table, the food allergy podcast, on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Follow At the Table and start listening on the free iHeartRadio app today.

• 28:54Jake Brennan?

  All right, we are back, and you know what time it is. It's time for the Hollywood Land Minute, brought to you by the Hollywood Land Podcast. Don't know what the Hollywood Land Podcast is? Well, the Hollywood Land Podcast is hosted by yours truly, where every week I tell you a story from the annex of Hollywood and true crime. And right now, there are over 40 episodes waiting for you to binge. Episodes on Charlie Sheen, Robin Williams, David Lynch, John Waters, Danny Trejo, Marilyn Monroe, Steve McQueen, Drew Barrymore, Jane Fonda, and more recently, the very talented and one of the dudes we miss the most, Robin Williams. Here's a clip.

• 29:25Jake Brennan?

  Robin had been trying to take it easy on the drugs after Belushi's death. The sudden realization that he was going to have a son made him finally get serious about sobriety and he quit booze and coke straight away. No 12 steps, or therapy, or feel-good programs. Just cold turkey. A few weeks later, his next movie outing, The World According to Garp, hit theaters and The John Irving Book became an almost instant hit at the box office. Things were finally looking up in more ways than one. Later in life, in a letter to his son Zack, Robin would write that his birth gave him a new sense of meaning and focus into his life. It also gave him plenty of new material. "My god, it's a boy, and he's hung like a bear.

• 30:09Jake Brennan?

  Wait, no, that's the umbilical cord." Of course, there were some habits Robin still couldn't break. One was his addiction to the rush of stand-up comedy and the high that he got from the crowd. He'd find any excuse to leave Valerie behind with the baby in Napa and head to LA to indulge in another one of those infamous all-night comedy marathons. He even learned to enjoy them without the help of mind-altering substances. Which brings us to the other habit that Robin Williams couldn't break: women. Robin had always messed around. In the past, Valerie would either give him her blessing, or at least forgive him. She knew her husband was a star. She couldn't help the fact that women threw themselves at him. Besides, he was out on the road a lot, all by himself.

• 30:54Jake Brennan?

  But after Zack was born, it got harder for her to go along with it. She resented the fact that she was stuck at home with a baby while her husband was off gallivanting with some hot young thing. And Robin wasn't dumb. He knew it was getting to her. He'd try to keep it in his pants for a while, but then another opportunity would present itself and, as Valerie once said, "You'd have to be a saint to resist." And Robin was certainly no saint. God gave him a penis and a brain and only enough blood to use one at a time. All right, guys, make sure you are subscribed to Hollywoodland on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Next week, we have an episode on Phil Hartman coming your way, and you are not going to want to miss that one, okay?

• 31:36Jake Brennan?

  [email protected]. You guys want to hit me up about anything in the disgraceland universe, that's, that's a good way of doing it. Some people don't like the voicemails. Some people don't like the text machine. Some people like a good old fashioned email. [email protected]. Okay, Jacques Kobel writes in, "The Cramps/Rock and Roll is Dead." "Sir, while listening to your podcast, I have been digesting your thoughts on music and art for the past week. I have let it randomly play on Spotify throughout my workday. I see validity in most every point you make, save one. Rock is dead. My first thought was Blue October and the song 'Hate Me.' Lyrics that make Howlin' Wolf, Bruce Springsteen,

• 32:20Jake Brennan?

  and Robert Zimmerman blush at the shallowness of their own lyrics. The music is canned, the vocals are auto-tuned, but the poetry is dangerous. Thank you." Well, I don't know about Blue October, but now I'm interested. Colin old Bobby D. and Bruce Springsteen and Howlin' Wolf, shallow, them some fighting words. You sure you want me to get into this? Appreciate you, Jacques. You obviously thought about this question for some time. Michael Murphy writes in, "Yo Jake, I'm just wondering, what happens once you've exhausted the Hollywoodland and Sportsland sides of the Badlands archive and All-Access Icons material? What do you do for those rare celebrities you have touched on, all three areas, sports, film, and music? I know you did The Rock, but I'm thinking Hulk Hogan,

• 33:04Jake Brennan?

  Dennis Rodman, Shaq, Arnold, maybe others. Let me know what you think. Rock-a-roller, Arnold Schwarzenegger. Well, come on. I mean, he could be at Hollywoodland. And Shaq and Dennis Rodman, Hulk Hogan, they're all athletes, so obviously, Sportsland, man. Come on." I think what you're getting at here, Michael, is we need to make some new episodes. Is that what you're saying, Michael? Are you daring me to make even more content, Michael? More Sportsland content? Are you, is this, are you throwing down the gauntlet? Is that what's happening here, Michael? More, perhaps even more Hollywoodland content?

• 33:42Jake Brennan?

  Maybe these feeds, maybe what happens is once, once the Badlands archive is exhausted, as you say, once, once these, these, all these archive episodes have been once again re-released in the Hollywoodland feed, maybe there's a Sportsland feed. Maybe there are new episodes in our future to keep these franchises humming, just as we're doing with DisgraceLand. Maybe that's what's happening, Michael. I don't know. Just a thought. We shall see. [email protected]. You want to email me. I appreciate it, just like I appreciate those reviews. You know about the reviews. They help with discovery. They help the show grow. They help people find DisgraceLand, which is so important. We are independent. We are out there moving and shaking on our own. And in order for this show to grow, we

• 34:27Jake Brennan?

  need your help. And that comes in the form of reviews. And we appreciate it so, so, so, so much. So much that when you leave a review, if I read it here on the after-party bonus episode, and you hear it and you get in touch with me, I will then send you a couple merch items, or a merch item, I should say. This one comes from Mrs. KJ L H on Apple Podcasts. Says, "Hey, Jake can tell a story." Two exclamation points. Five stars. "I listened to this podcast on a whim after hearing an ad. I fell in love with it. Jake is such a good storyteller. I find myself on the edge of my seat even when I know the story. Definitely recommend." Well, Mrs. KJ L H, we recommend you get in touch with us because we're going to send you something cool. What do we got over on the Spotify box? Allison Marie writes in,

• 35:11Jake Brennan?

  "I cannot say enough good about this podcast. I heard episodes from others and many of these topics, but no one tells these stories better than this show right here. Mad respect and dedicated listener. Have a fantastic Easter weekend to all." Allison, thank you so much. Get in touch, Allison. You have a good Easter as well with you and your family. This episode, guys, is nearing its end, but this after-party, it's going to continue for our All-Access members because they're paying five bucks a month. And for that five bucks, they're getting a little bit more of the after-party, a little bonus, a little, little more squeeze for a little more juice here at the end of the episode. They're also getting exclusive, an exclusive episode every week, every month, excuse me, one additional extra episode on

• 35:52Jake Brennan?

  top of our weekly episodes per month. That's what you get for five bucks. Plus, ad-free listening. I mean, come on. Five bucks. We've gone, we've gone through this before. Can't even get a cup of coffee anymore for five bucks. Look what Double Elvis has given you. Just go to Membership. Check it out. Go to disgracelandpod.com/membership. And I'm just telling you, right now is a good time to sign up because there's something coming down the pike very soon, very soon. That's going to, you're just gonna wish you signed up. Okay, we'll say that. disgracelandpod.com/membership.

• 36:41Jake Brennan?

  All right, we are back. Let's climb into the vault here and talk about some archive episodes, some artists that were mentioned in this bonus episode that we have full episodes on, uh, back in the archive that you guys can listen to. Stone Temple Pilots, Guns N' Roses, a lot, okay? Jane's Addiction, Black Sabbath, still no Red Hot Chili Peppers episode, though. I should probably get on that. New Order, we mentioned Oasis. There's a lot here. Metallica, Derek and the Dominos, Clapton. There's a lot. Matt is going to piece together some links for you in the show notes so you can easily access these archive episodes. Guys, don't sleep on the archive. New listeners, listen. 230-plus

• 37:24Jake Brennan?

  episodes on all kinds of musicians and, and transgressions and true crimes that they've committed or have happened to them in our archive. A ton. Just give it a cruise. Go to Spotify, Apple, go to our website, wherever, and just kind of like scroll through. You're gonna find stuff you didn't know was there and you're gonna love it. But, you know, we mentioned a bunch here. Matt's gonna have that info for you in the show notes to get you into the archive quickly. All right, let's recap. Shout out to number one, my other podcast, Hollywood Land, is alive and kicking over in the Hollywood Land feed. So make sure you are subscribed and following Hollywood Land on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. And get ready for our upcoming Hollywood Land episode on Phil Hartman, but only after you're caught up on our recent episode on Robin Williams.

• 38:06Jake Brennan?

  Number two, right now, in your Disgrace Land feed, our episode on Chris Cornell. Number three, coming tomorrow, our rewind episode on Iggy Pop. And next week, Winona Ryder. So make sure you're subscribed to Disgrace Land. Number four, merch winners get in touch. You know who you are. Number five, remember, no one cares about preserving the true spirit of rock and roll more than you do. And well, that is a disgrace. All right. In honor of this week's subject, Chris Cornell, this is me reading you the Billboard charts from the day Chris passed away on May 18th, 2017.

• 38:36Jake Brennan?

  Number one, Shape of You, Ed Sheeran. Last week, one. Peak position, one. Weeks on chart, eight. Number two, Bad and Bougie, Migos featuring Lil Uzi Vert. Last week, two. Peak position, one. Weeks on chart, sixty. Number three, I Don't Want to Live Forever, Zayn, Taylor Swift. Last week, three. Peak position, two. Weeks on chart, twelve. Number four, That's What I Like, Bruno Mars. Last week, four. Peak position, four. Weeks on chart, seven. Number five, Something Just Like This, The Chainsmokers.

• 39:21Jake Brennan?

  Coldplay. Last week, fifty-six. Peak position, five. Weeks on chart, twenty.

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• 39:36Speaker 02

  She's been thinking about this sleepover all week, but I think about her food allergies all the time. Fortunately, her doctor prescribed Zolair, omalizumab. It's proven to significantly reduce allergic reactions if a food allergy accident happens.

• 39:49Speaker 03

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• 41:06Jake Brennan?

  Hey guys, time to dust off your detective skills while unwinding in the Caribbean on Virgin Voyages' second true crime voyage. It's back by popular demand. This five-night, adults-only escape sets sail March 20, 2027, to Grand Turk in the Beach Club at Bimini. The difference between this year and last will be that I will be on the cruise this year along with Zeph, and he and I will be taping a live version of DisgraceLand along with podcast hosts from Exactly Right's Buried Bones, Podcast of the Year Award winners, Wyscrack, and other fan favorites. Get on this cruise with us, guys, and enjoy live podcast recordings, behind-the-scenes storytelling, exclusive meet-and-greets, and immersive true crime programming throughout this one-of-a-kind voyage.

• 41:50Jake Brennan?

  Head over to www.virginvoyages.com/trucrime to secure your spot.