Kylie on Opening Up About Pregnancy Loss, Plus-Size Labels & Being a Type C Mom with Ashley Graham | Ep. 38

Kylie’s back for a brand new episode of Not Gonna Lie presented by Liquid IV and kicks things off with a special “Red October” edition of “Can I Be Honest?” Kylie talks about her favorite Phillies playoff experience and the electric atmosphere that is Citizens Bank Park during the MLB playoffs (2:22). Kylie then gets right into Doomscroll of the Week where she delves deeper into what makes her such a Type C Mom (5:29) and she also highlights one of her favorite Philly accents on TikTok (7:51). Plus, we’ll see if we can get her to give the Real Ones a “Task” recap on a future episode! Then, in Tiny Human Question of the Week, Kylie explains an unfortunate situation that recently happened with a butterfly passing on their front porch and Ellie’s adorable response (9:50). Real Ones, let us know what funny questions your tiny humans are asking you, tag us @nglwithkylie. After that, because October is Pregnancy & Infant Loss Awareness Month, Kylie has decided to open up about her personal miscarriage story (12:50) in the hopes it encourages women going through a loss to seek help, speak to their loved ones and get the medical care they need. As Kylie mentions, if this is a sensitive subject, please skip ahead. Kylie is then joined by supermodel, entrepreneur and clothing designer Ashley Graham (28:45)! Kylie reveals that she and Ashley have previously been in the same room together before and reminisce on their experience at Milan Fashion Week (31:05). Kylie then asks Ashley about her headline-making cover of Sports Illustrated in 2016 and the responsibility she feels to be a face of body confidence for women everywhere (35:50). They also discuss the double standard that is women constantly having to talk about their bodies vs. men. Kylie also asks Ashley about various labels like “plus-size,” “curvy,” and “full figured” for her take on which one she dislikes (41:30). Then, Ashley tells Kylie talk about fashion and modeling where Ashley reveals how she hypes herself up for the runway and a moment very recently where she had a major mishap… that was luckily not caught on camera… as far as we know (45:46). Kylie also asks Ashley about her brand new fashion line The Ashley Graham for JCPenney Collection (53:14)! Ashley talks about the collection’s emphasis on size inclusivity and even models one of the outfits available NOW! Lastly, Ashley reflects on making more history at the Victoria’s Secret Fashion Show last year (56:50) and she also gives Kylie the best piece of motherhood advice she’s ever received. Make sure you tune into More Sh*t Monday on the Not Gonna Lie YouTube channel for more exclusive clips from Kylie’s longer conversation with Ashley Graham. P. S. A NOTE FROM THE DESK OF QUEEN EMMA: Heyyyyy Real Onesssss! How are you feeling about two Cool 60s on back to back weeks?! So nbd but as part of the agreement for granting me these 12 extra glorious minutes, The Realest Of The Ones (Kylie) has required me to say: do not get used to this! More on this next week. Okay, ttyl! Lylas! -TurtleGirl8762 . . . Purchase NGL Merch: www.nglkylie.com Support the Show: Liquid IV: Tear. Pour. Live More. Go to LiquidIV.com and get 20% off your first order with code: NGL at checkout Peloton: Let yourself run, lift, sculpt, push, and go. Explore the new Peloton Cross Training Tread+ at onepeloton.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/not-gonna-lie Shop The Ashley Graham Collection for JCPenney: Available exclusively in-store and online at jcpenney.com/ashleygraham Support Women & Families Going Through Pregnancy or Infant Loss: https://www.marchofdimes.org/support-email Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Kylie Kelce?

  Today's episode is brought to you by Invisalign. Look at her. She did that. Ta-da. In college, I got Invisalign aligners because I wanted to actually look in the mirror and feel confident in my smile. I think that a smile is one of the best things that you can possibly have. I think one of the best things that you can put on is a smile. I'm not just saying that because it's like some old quote or something. I'm saying it because I truly believe that when you can smile and really mean it, like when it goes all the way up to your eyes because you're confident and you're happy and you're feeling joy. Who doesn't want to see that? More importantly, who doesn't want to feel that? But let's talk about something beyond how your smile looks, taking care of it. And since we've already established that I take flossing very seriously, this part deserves a little attention. Invisalign aligners straighten teeth, making it easier to brush and floss,

• 0:45Kylie Kelce?

  reducing plaque and lowering the risk of cavities and gum disease. I have to be really careful to make sure that I'm keeping up with my oral hygiene because I have little muffins that watch me and I need to make sure that they're modeling that same care for their own teeth. Back in college, I was thinking about how my smile would look. Now I appreciate that there's more to it than that. Look at her. Look at her. Ooh, she's cute. Look at her. Wow. And if you're thinking about starting your smile journey, make sure you're getting Invisalign aligners. Look for the star flower logo on every aligner so you know you're getting Invisalign, backed by experience and trusted by doctors. Find an Invisalign doctor near you today. This football season, whether you're buying tickets, booking travel, or shopping for team gear,

• 1:29Kylie Kelce?

  protect your pocket with Visa. Tapping to pay without checking which card? Not a pro move. Tapping to pay with Visa? That's a pro move. Visa runs more than 500 security checks to help identify fraud before transactions are approved. So you can focus your defensive energy on other things, like defending your nachos from your hungry, hungry husband. That might not be a pro move, but paying with Visa is. Visa, the most trusted way to pay for football fans everywhere. Not gonna lie, last week in my episode with Caleb, my collar was so drunk. I can't stop seeing it in clips. It's bothering me so deeply this week. I made sure my collar and shirt fit better.

• 2:14Kylie Kelce?

  So there's that. Let's get this podcast started.

• 2:22Kylie Kelce?

  Welcome back to Not Gonna Lie, a Wave original, brought to you by Liquid IV. I'm your host Kylie Kelsey, otherwise known as the lady with four kids who talks, and enjoyer of scruffy beings. Shout out to my first love, the Philly Fanatic and Irish Wolf Founds. Now I have my husband. It's like a trifecta. And officially, the mother of a six-year-old. Oh no.

• 2:49Kylie Kelce?

  Give me a second. I just did my mascara and queen on my nose. It took like

• 2:56Kylie Kelce?

  a good amount of time. Happy birthday, Wyatt! Oh my God, it's so sad. I can't. That's so sad.

• 3:05Kylie Kelce?

  It's sad and happy. Also,

• 3:09Kylie Kelce?

  it's weird to be 24 with a six-year-old. That's weird. A weird phenomenon. Wyatt picked out a cake with Ariel on top. She wants her specifically with when her tail is sort of flippy at the end, and she wants to make sure flounder's there. Also, when I was picking out decorations with her, she was deeply offended by the fact that I thought a mermaid decoration was sufficient.

• 3:36Kylie Kelce?

  And she looked at me and said, "I didn't say mermaid, Mom. I said Ariel." So, coming up on today's episode, the Phillies' first playoff game is this weekend, which means it's the perfect time to get honest about one of the most exciting phenomenons in all of sports: Red October. After that, I'm going to be joined by supermodel, designer, entrepreneur, and advocate for body confidence, you guessed it, someone else I have no business talking to, Ashley Graham. But first, the Phillies have officially clinched a bye in the playoffs, and their first game is this Saturday. So for any real ones who don't know the lore of Red October, I'm going to get honest about it right now.

• 4:17Kylie Kelce?

  Can I Be Honest is brought to you today by our friends at Peloton. Check out the new Cross Training Tread Plus powered by Peloton IQ. Red October, for those who don't know, is when the Philadelphia Phillies make the playoffs. It is an environment that is unmatched, okay? That stadium, Citizens Bank Park, ends up being good vibes only. And I swear the electricity that the players can feel from the stands end up in their bats. Okay? I'm not saying that we take part, but I really feel like we might have something to do with it.

• 4:58Kylie Kelce?

  A couple of years ago, Jason and Travis went to Red October. We saw a couple of home runs at that game. To be clear, I was at the game with Jason and Travis. But you guys know I love to sink into a hedge, so I was actually at the back.

• 5:15Kylie Kelce?

  So that they could be at the front. And to whoever sniped me and put it on TikTok, that was rude. I was minding my own business. And when the Jumbotron hit the two of them, I was nowhere to be seen. Because that's how I like it. The best Phillies playoff game I've ever been to was the game where I met Charlie Manuel and his wife, Missy.

• 5:46Kylie Kelce?

  For those of you who don't know, Charlie was the manager of the team when the Philadelphia Phillies won the 2008 World Series. I always said, growing up, that if I met,

• 6:01Kylie Kelce?

  let's say Beyonce, I wouldn't cry. I would be excited to meet her, but I wouldn't cry.

• 6:10Kylie Kelce?

  If I met Charlie Manuel, I would cry. And I can confirm that I teared up. It was embarrassing. I was pregnant, and I did blame it on the fact that I was pregnant, that I was tearing up. But in the picture, I'll see if I can send it to Queen Emma. In the picture where I met Charlie Manuel, you can see my forehead vein popping like you wouldn't believe. It was embarrassing.

• 6:38Kylie Kelce?

  To a degree that I cannot even explain. He is lovely and I love him and it's lovely. And go Phils. My favorite Philly right now is the Philly Fanatic. Also, oh my gosh, last week Benny was looking for something and she said, "The F-a-magic" instead of "The Fanatic." And I said, "You know what? He is magic." That's how I feel about that.

• 7:07Kylie Kelce?

  I'm so glad that my love of him has made its way down into my children. That's how you know it's real. That's it for Can I Be Honest? Brought to you by Peloton. Next up, doom scroll of the week. First up on doom scroll, I've mentioned being a type C mom on this podcast, but I just stumbled across a TikTok that perfectly describes what that actually means. Queen Emma, the clip, please.

• 7:28Speaker 01

  The flounder doesn't go in animals. He goes in people and characters, the characters. I can see why you would do that, though. Thanks so much for having us over. Sorry, neither of my kids have shoes. If you don't own a baby kneel clipper, I usually just kind of nibble mine babies off. I could do it for yours if you feel comfortable with that. No, get shoes that don't need socks. I don't know where any clean socks are.

• 7:54Kylie Kelce?

  This TikTok made me feel so seen. The balance between having some things done very well and thought out and prepared and other things being like, "No, you need to wear Crocs. I don't have socks or I don't know where the clean socks are." Or like, "The clean socks are in the dryer and they're not dry yet. I need you to put on sandals. Like, let's get this show on the road." At any given point, if you look at my car, it is the epitome of a type C mom. I have a varying option of sizes of diapers. So at any given, like, right now, I can guarantee you

• 8:38Kylie Kelce?

  that there is at least one size two diaper, probably three to four size three diapers, two size seven diapers.

• 8:49Kylie Kelce?

  And a handful of fours. Now, is anyone still in a two? No. Is anyone still in a three? No. But also, if you fold down the front of a seven far enough, it can fit a four. That's on being a type C mom. Their jackets also in the car. Because why would we put on our jackets in the house to walk 10 steps out the door to the car, which most likely myself or my husband has started to warm it up? To then take off your jackets to then get buckled in your seat? That doesn't make any sense. Next on Doom Scroll, I just discovered TikToker Betsy Kenny, who has a series of hilarious Philly ASMR videos.

• 9:34Kylie Kelce?

  And I needed to show the real ones, her Philly accent. Queen Emma, the clip, please.

• 9:38Speaker 01

  How you doing on? What parish did you go to? Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday? What's his brother in your grade? Roy's Harper.

• 9:52Kylie Kelce?

  It's all accurate. All of those are things that I have heard or said multiple times in my life. Maybe with an interchangeable name, but absolutely things I have heard or said in my life. The slight scraping noise you can hear for our audio listeners, that is water ice. That's her, her white plastic spoon in her Rita's water ice. The accent, I'd give it a good 11. Speaking of Philly accents, Queen Emma is telling me that there's a new Philly show. It's called Task. It's from the creator of Mayor of Easttown, who is actually from Berwyn, I believe, which is very,

• 10:36Kylie Kelce?

  it's not far from us. You can throw a rock and hit it. Uh, I will, I will watch. I do know that the beginning of the first episode, we went hard. Okay. She, the daughter has a job. The job is at a water ice place. It feels, it feels like we went a little aggressively obvious in the beginning. But from what I've heard so far, I like it.

• 11:14Kylie Kelce?

  I haven't gotten that far in though, so let me, I'll get back to you on that. That's it for Doom Scroll of the Week. Next up, we had an incident happen recently. It really was, it was a sad day in our house. And it made me want to bring back our segment Tiny Human Question of the Week. Brought to you by perplexity. Anyone with kids knows that kids ask a lot of questions. That it's a lot of questions and it's not always just why? Why? Why? But it's often followed up with that. Every single one gets at least two whys. Yep, we're answering a lot of questions in our house. This Tiny Human Question of the Week. Well, it got a little dark. It got a little dark in our house.

• 11:58Kylie Kelce?

  We were coming home from school pickup and Wyatt and I were walking up the front walkway. And there was a butterfly. And he or she was only flapping one wing. And needless to say, we took the butterfly inside. We offered the butterfly some sugar water, which it did indulge in. And then we took it back outside to lay peacefully under the bushes where it said its goodbyes, if you will. And we had to have a brief service for the butterfly.

• 12:43Kylie Kelce?

  Now Ellie wanted to say a prayer. But she launched into something else that resembled the Pledge of Allegiance.

• 13:01Speaker 02

  I pledge allegiance to the butterfly. Where does he live?

• 13:09Speaker 02

  In nature.

• 13:12Kylie Kelce?

  In nature was my answer. So let's get Ellie a real answer to this question. Queen Emma, can you please pull up perplexity and ask, where do butterflies live? I said, in nature. It was the fastest I could think.

• 13:25Kylie Kelce?

  But I was stumped because I didn't know.

• 13:30Kylie Kelce?

  I didn't know how deep we needed to get in that moment. She was deep in her prayer, AKA pledge of allegiance to the butterfly.

• 13:39Kylie Kelce?

  So, so some other answers perplexity is telling me I could have given forests, meadows, prairies, woodlands. These are great options.

• 13:50Kylie Kelce?

  Coastal areas, including sand dunes. I did not know that. That's actually interesting. Key requirements, warm climates and sunlight for activity. Dude, same.

• 14:02Kylie Kelce?

  Host plants for caterpillars to feed during the larval stage. So here's the deal. That would be milkweed. I know that.

• 14:14Kylie Kelce?

  A couple of years ago, we planted milkweed to try and attract the butterflies. Now I know I can go back to Ellie and talk to her about the fact that they live many places and we can dive a little deeper into that outside of, again, her pledge of allegiance to the butterfly. That does it for tiny human question of the week brought to you by perplexity. Now, before we get to our guests, all the real ones know this is generally a very light show, something fun to take your mind off of things. But I've also shared that I started this podcast to be able to bring attention to issues I genuinely care about. And another cause that I care deeply about is women's health. And October is Pregnancy and Infant Loss Awareness Month. I will start this segment by saying that if this is a sensitive subject for you, you may want to skip ahead.

• 15:00Kylie Kelce?

  It's always available in the description of our show that you can actually click ahead in minutes to the next section. So please be advised that this is where I am going to discuss my miscarriage, which I previously mentioned on the show.

• 15:16Kylie Kelce?

  But I wanted to share some more details because when I experienced my miscarriage, I felt like a bunch of people came forward to support me and offer words of encouragement or love. And in so, they divulged that they also had experienced losses. And it is interesting how sometimes it takes you experiencing a loss for people to open up about their own. And I don't necessarily think that we should always have to be prompted to share what is

• 15:53Kylie Kelce?

  very, very normal in trying to grow your family. Starting from the beginning, Jason and I started, that sounds so, it's, it sounds weird to say that you're trying to have a family because it just means that you're doing the deed without protection. That's exactly what we were doing. And after a few months of trying without success, we had our first positive pregnancy test. I say we, Jason didn't pee on the stick. I had

• 16:33Kylie Kelce?

  my first positive pregnancy test. I believe it was in August of 2018. I went to appointments. Normally, I went to my, I think it was a six week appointment and the baby was measuring what would have been a few days late. And they said, it's still within normal limits. We will see you back for your 12 week appointment. And I scheduled it for the week following

• 17:14Kylie Kelce?

  that, which would have been my 13 week appointment because we had travel plans. We were planning to go when the Eagles played in London and then follow that up during their bye week immediately after in Ireland. So we were going with family. It was going to be

• 17:37Kylie Kelce?

  A time where we were around everyone. And so we, I was very much aware of the rate at which people lose pregnancies. And so I was very guarded about telling people outside of my immediate circle. And I ended up, by the time we went to London, I was supposed to be 12 weeks. And I, we made it a point to surprise Jason's mom and dad when we were there

• 18:19Kylie Kelce?

  by pretending to take a photo and telling them that we were expecting.

• 18:38Kylie Kelce?

  Okay.

• 18:45Kylie Kelce?

  Hold on.

• 18:54Kylie Kelce?

  I got this. We surprised Jason's mom and dad with a video. We also surprised Jason's Aunt Judy and his grandmother, Grandma Mary. When we were in Cleveland, we surprised Travis with little baby booties. All of these interactions were recorded for like memory purposes. And I think there was, the thought process was like, yes, maybe one day we'll sort of clip them together and share them.

• 19:38Kylie Kelce?

  I emphasized the fact that like this still hurts after having four children because.

• 19:48Kylie Kelce?

  It does. And it's okay. For people who are still in their journey and not yet having gotten over the hump

• 20:02Kylie Kelce?

  of

• 20:04Kylie Kelce?

  like getting to meet your tiny humans that you're making.

• 20:09Kylie Kelce?

  I am so sorry.

• 20:13Kylie Kelce?

  For people who have experienced loss and who still have gotten to meet some of their tiny humans. I am also sorry because it doesn't not hurt.

• 20:29Kylie Kelce?

  When we got back from our family trip to Ireland, I went to my regularly scheduled 13, what was supposed to be my 13 week appointment. And I went into one of the regular rooms, not the ultrasound room. And they tried to do the Doppler. And the minute, I would say it felt like everything went into slow motion.

• 20:58Kylie Kelce?

  And they could not find the baby on the Doppler. And at 13 ish weeks, they should. And the nurse that was doing it was so sweet and very quick on her feet to say like, oh, sometimes like they hide down below your pelvis. We will take you in for an ultrasound and we'll be able to find them better. And

• 21:24Kylie Kelce?

  I could just tell, I don't, I don't know if it was like doom and gloom of like, I was almost expecting it. Or what, but I remember being like, oh, there, there isn't a heartbeat. Like you didn't find one because there isn't one.

• 21:45Kylie Kelce?

  I'm trying my best not to let it get to like a full gasping situation. So they quickly took me into the ultrasound room and did a vaginal ultrasound to confirm that there was.

• 22:05Kylie Kelce?

  I have literally told this story so many times.

• 22:14Kylie Kelce?

  They confirmed that there was no heartbeat and they estimated that the baby had stopped developing between, I believe it was nine and 10 weeks. So they couldn't tell me, essentially, I had had what you would refer to as a missed miscarriage. It means that your body did not realize that the pregnancy was no longer viable. And so the shitty part is, is that you still have the placenta, which means you're still getting the hormones. And so you still feel like shit and you still feel like you're pregnant. And you're not. And so I ended up...

• 23:23Kylie Kelce?

  It was a shitty day. It was a shitty day because it was Jason's birthday. And I call, I still remember my OB, of course, I speak very highly of them every chance I get because I love them dearly. And this was one of the reasons that I fell in love with them as human beings. But my OB was very calm and very supportive and delivered the news in

• 23:56Kylie Kelce?

  the kindest way that she possibly could. And I ended up, because of how far along I was and because of potential risks with other options, we scheduled a D and E for two days later, that Wednesday.

• 24:22Kylie Kelce?

  I still remember going to the car and calling my mom, which is not a good idea when you are heaving crying in the car.

• 24:36Kylie Kelce?

  But I called my mom and told her that I couldn't tell Jason because it was his birthday. Which seems very silly. It seems very silly because obviously I'm going to tell my husband what happened.

• 24:53Kylie Kelce?

  And I did. And it was hard for both of us. I will say that

• 25:02Kylie Kelce?

  having had that experience then messed with my brain for every consecutive pregnancy. So for Wyatt, we did not share that we were pregnant until I was after 20 weeks. I, for consecutive pregnancies, waited till I was at least 16 weeks.

• 25:25Kylie Kelce?

  I Googled almost every week what the percentage likelihood was that a baby could survive. Which sounds really dark.

• 25:45Kylie Kelce?

  I literally did it for Finn.

• 25:52Kylie Kelce?

  It's fine. We're fine. Here we go. The things that helped me get through it were talking about it. I am a person who is an open book, obviously. I talked about it with my mom, who also had experienced a loss.

• 26:10Kylie Kelce?

  I talked about it with just about everyone.

• 26:15Kylie Kelce?

  Because since that point, I have had friends or people that I know who have experienced a loss.

• 26:22Kylie Kelce?

  And like I said, it just, it never leaves you. And I always like to tell people.

• 26:29Kylie Kelce?

  Comparing miscarriages, comparing infant loss, comparing any of this between women, comparing is apples and oranges. It is scarring and stays with you in a way that is yours only. And whether you have a loss at six weeks, or 13 weeks, or whenever,

• 26:58Kylie Kelce?

  that loss is real. So I think it's important to have people around you that, that understand what you're going through and who are in on the struggles that you're having and feeling. And I think it's really important to have an open dialogue with your doctors. I'm so sorry if you've experienced this. Like truly sorry. Cause it sucks.

• 27:29Kylie Kelce?

  And there's really no other way to say it. It just sucks. This October, and actually every month of the year, women's health should be taken seriously and prioritized so that every woman going through something like this can get the care that she needs. I will be donating to some organizations that have made this their mission, and I hope that you will do the same. We're going to take a quick break here and then return to today's amazing guest. She's the perfect example of a woman uplifting other women, which we're all about around here. Guys, it's supermodel Ashley Graham coming up next. NGL is sponsored by Liquid IV. We're fully into fall here and finally getting back into a routine with the girls in school. Jason back to broadcasting and Finney still attached to me. Pretty much all day, every day. It's fine. She's comfy there.

• 28:15Kylie Kelce?

  And you might be wondering with all that going on, how on earth I lock in for this podcast? And the answer is, I don't. But at least, at the very least, I can say that I stay hydrated. And one of my favorite ways to do so is with Liquid IV. And Liquid IV is now offering a new level of focus with their sugar-free hydrating energy multiplier. You guys, Liquid IV and I go way back. I cannot stand drinking water while I'm pregnant. But you know what I can? Liquid IV. It is so good. It's refreshing and crisp and delicious. And it's so easy because you just add it to your water bottle. And they have the most delicious flavors.

• 28:58Kylie Kelce?

  My personal favorite, passion fruit. Just one stick of Liquid IV and 16 ounces of water. Hydrates better than water alone. Get focused, ditch the glitch with zero sugar and zero crash from Liquid IV. Tear, pour, live more. Go to LiquidIV.com and get 20% off your first order with code NGL at checkout. That's 20% off your first order with code NGL at LiquidIV.com. Real ones, I'm so excited to talk to you about this next sponsor because you already know I love my hot girl walks. And Peloton helps me get walks in year round with their amazing tread that we have right in our house. And now Peloton has the brand new Cross Training Tread Plus powered by Peloton IQ.

• 29:40Kylie Kelce?

  It's got real time guidance that gives you endless ways to get moving, alone or with your favorite instructors. The thing I love most about my tread is that it is quiet and that I have the most inspirational instructors there to encourage me for the full 30 to 45 minute classes that I'm taking. Seriously, Robin, you've gotten me through a lot.

• 30:04Kylie Kelce?

  I'm so grateful. Every single time I think that I should stop, she says, "Don't stop, you got this." It's almost like she's in my head. Gosh, they just have the best instructors. I love it. And the, the, the track is soft and it feels good on your joints. Oh, because I'm old now and I have to consider that. Let yourself run lift, sculpt, push and go. Explore the new Peloton Cross Training Tread Plus at onepeloton.com. Today's episode is brought to you by Invisalign. Look at her, she did that. Ta-da. In college, I got Invisalign aligners because I wanted to actually look in the mirror and feel confident in my smile.

• 30:47Kylie Kelce?

  I think that a smile is one of the best things that you can possibly have. I think one of the best things that you can put on is a smile. I'm not just saying that because it's like some old quote or something. I'm saying it because I truly believe that when you can smile and really mean it, like when it goes all the way up to your eyes because you're confident and you're happy and you're feeling joy. Want to see that? More importantly, who doesn't want to feel that? But let's talk about something beyond how your smile looks, taking care of it. And since we've already established that I take flossing very seriously, this part deserves a little attention. Invisalign Aligners straighten teeth, making it easier to brush and floss, reducing plaque and lowering the risk of cavities and gum disease. I have to be really careful to make sure that I'm keeping up with my oral hygiene because I have little muffins that watch me

• 31:31Kylie Kelce?

  and I need to make sure that they're modeling that same care for their own teeth. Back in college, I was thinking about how my smile would look. Now I appreciate that there's more to it than that. Look at her. Look at her. Oh, she's cute. Look at her. Wow. And if you're thinking about starting your smile journey, make sure you're getting Invisalign Aligners. Look for the star flower logo on every aligner so you know you're getting Invisalign, backed by experience and trusted by doctors. Find an Invisalign doctor near you today. This football season, whether you're buying tickets, booking travel, or shopping for team gear, protect your pocket with Visa. Tapping to pay without checking which card? Not a pro move. Tapping to pay with Visa? That's a pro move.

• 32:13Kylie Kelce?

  Visa runs more than 500 security checks to help identify fraud before transactions are approved. So you can focus your defensive energy on other things, like defending your nachos from your hungry, hungry husband. That might not be a pro move, but paying with Visa is. Visa, the most trusted way to pay for football fans everywhere. She's the supermodel whose message of body confidence and inclusivity truly changed the world for the better. You've seen her walking on the Victoria's Secret runway at every fashion week, on the covers of Sports Illustrated, Vogue, and Glamour. She's also an entrepreneur with a brand new clothing line and a fellow mom. Ashley Graham, welcome to Not Gonna Lie.

• 32:54Speaker 03

  Thank you. So happy to be here.

• 32:59Kylie Kelce?

  I'm not gonna lie. We have actually been in the same room together.

• 33:04Speaker 03

  Okay, was it really? Did we talk? Did we interact?

• 33:08Kylie Kelce?

  No, we did not.

• 33:08Speaker 03

  Was it at a Sports Illustrated party or something?

• 33:11Kylie Kelce?

  It was not. It was at Alberta Ferretti.

• 33:16Speaker 03

  Oh, at the runway show?

• 33:18Kylie Kelce?

  It was.

• 33:18Speaker 03

  Oh, wow. Wait, was it last year?

• 33:22Kylie Kelce?

  It was two years ago.

• 33:24Speaker 03

  That's crazy.

• 33:26Kylie Kelce?

  Yes, you were wearing this incredible leather jacket.

• 33:30Speaker 03

  Yes, I remember. That was a wild room, though. That's not like necessarily a room you like run up to like say hi to somebody or anything.

• 33:38Kylie Kelce?

  No, and also, when we went after the show, like behind, to see Signora Ferretti.

• 33:46Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 33:47Kylie Kelce?

  I was in the midst of trying to figure out how the fuck to say nice to meet you in Italian.

• 33:56Kylie Kelce?

  And I had my friend Elena repeating it to me so many times. That I could, like, I genuinely, like, I had blinders on. I was like, I say it again. Say it again.

• 34:06Speaker 03

  How do you say it?

• 34:06Kylie Kelce?

  Say it again. Piecere.

• 34:09Speaker 03

  Piecere, okay.

• 34:12Kylie Kelce?

  I could be messing that up if you speak Italian. Pretend you didn't hear that.

• 34:15Speaker 03

  Uh, no, it's okay. I, I don't. My husband does, so he makes fun of me all the time.

• 34:20Kylie Kelce?

  Well, I, I said it well enough that when I said it to Signora Ferretti, she then proceeded to speak to me in Italian. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. That's all I've got. I don't know a single other word you just said.

• 34:34Speaker 03

  You were like pasta.

• 34:35Kylie Kelce?

  I'm, yeah, I'm like, I'm so sorry. I actually, pizza? I don't know. I got nothing. Uh, grazie. I don't know.

• 34:43Speaker 03

  Wait, so how often do you get to go to runway shows?

• 34:46Kylie Kelce?

  Never. Literally, it was my one and only. So, a dear friend of mine, she, uh, works for IFA.

• 34:55Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 34:56Kylie Kelce?

  And, um, she was like, I feel like this is pulling you out of your comfort zone. You've got to come to this runway show. And so I ended up getting to see, uh, Alberta Ferretti, but I also saw, uh, Moschino.

• 35:09Speaker 03

  Major.

• 35:10Kylie Kelce?

  It was so, it was one of those experiences where I absolutely had no business being there, but it was unreal. It was so cool.

• 35:21Speaker 03

  Wait, why did you have no business being there?

• 35:24Kylie Kelce?

  I am the least fashionable person you will ever meet in your entire life.

• 35:27Speaker 03

  Really?

• 35:28Kylie Kelce?

  I wear athleisure every single day of my life. Every single day of my life.

• 35:35Speaker 03

  You wear sports bra every day?

• 35:38Kylie Kelce?

  Yes, I do.

• 35:39Speaker 03

  Do you ever just get, do you ever feel like, I just want to put on like a bra?

• 35:45Kylie Kelce?

  Well, here's a fun fact.

• 35:47Speaker 03

  Can't wait.

• 35:49Kylie Kelce?

  What? Between children.

• 35:51Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, which you've had a lot in a short amount of time.

• 35:54Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah, and I, prior to children, I was part of the itty bitty titty committee. Some would say I was the president.

• 36:00Speaker 03

  Oh, like, are we like talking like, is that you, Kylie?

• 36:04Kylie Kelce?

  That's me. I was told in sixth grade that I was so flat, I was jealous of the wall.

• 36:10Speaker 03

  Terrible.

• 36:10Kylie Kelce?

  So there's that. And, um.

• 36:12Speaker 03

  I'm laughing with you.

• 36:14Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah, no, it, uh, so what I did have between breastfeeding children, it made it clear that that had left as well. And so I could literally.

• 36:26Speaker 03

  Where are you at now?

• 36:26Kylie Kelce?

  I could put, well, I'm breastfeeding right now.

• 36:28Speaker 03

  Oh, because you just had a baby this year?

• 36:30Kylie Kelce?

  I did. She's six months old.

• 36:32Speaker 03

  Oh, the baby.

• 36:33Kylie Kelce?

  I know.

• 36:34Speaker 03

  Okay, okay.

• 36:34Kylie Kelce?

  But it got to a point where when I put on a regular bra and raised my arms, I actually had nothing to sit in the cup to keep the bra down.

• 36:44Speaker 03

  Oh, okay, the visual. And you're like taking me through.

• 36:47Kylie Kelce?

  You're welcome.

• 36:47Speaker 03

  These are things that I've never had to think about before.

• 36:52Speaker 03

  What happens when you're done breastfeeding? You just get pregnant and then you're like on to the next thing?

• 36:57Kylie Kelce?

  Oh, I have four children. You watch. My universe will hear you.

• 37:03Speaker 03

  Achoo!

• 37:05Kylie Kelce?

  Right? No.

• 37:07Speaker 03

  Are you guys done? Are you like going? Are you like gonna?

• 37:10Kylie Kelce?

  I, I, I don't know. I mean, I'm six months postpartum. I think that I'm done. I think. I think.

• 37:18Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 37:19Kylie Kelce?

  I think. I never want to say no, because then I feel like the universe is going to hear me. And then I'm going to sneeze and get pregnant.

• 37:26Speaker 03

  Get pregnant. Like, you know, you know, those people are like, I'm going to go into, because you have four girls, right?

• 37:31Kylie Kelce?

  Yes, I do.

• 37:32Speaker 03

  Like, I'm going to go into the boy, which is.

• 37:35Kylie Kelce?

  Don't worry, I'm gonna ask you about that because I do want to know if you receive it on the opposite side.

• 37:39Speaker 03

  Yes, I do. That's why I'm asking you because I know you should have the answers.

• 37:43Kylie Kelce?

  It's so dumb.

• 37:44Speaker 03

  I know. It is dumb, but it's also like, I get it because I think sometimes people don't know what to talk to you about. Especially the ones who don't have kids. You know, if you don't have kids, or if you only have one kid, you're curious about people who have multiples.

• 37:58Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 37:59Speaker 03

  Because it is a curious conversation.

• 38:02Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 38:02Speaker 03

  It's a sight to be seen over here, that's for sure.

• 38:05Kylie Kelce?

  I also think that it's a tough question. It is made harder by the fact that, do you think we haven't thought of that? Do you think we haven't thought to ourselves like what it would be like to have the opposite gender in our house? Do you know what I mean? Like, not that I would, not that I'm chasing it or that I necessarily need it or want it, but the fact that people ask you is if it's not something that like you and your husband have probably discussed, like what would it be like if a little girl entered our house?

• 38:33Speaker 03

  That's the thing that when people say, "Oh, do you want a girl?" I'm like, "Yeah, I want a girl, but we're done having kids." Like, it's just, we look around sometimes and we're like, "There's too many children."

• 38:43Kylie Kelce?

  Oh, well, you guys are outnumbered. And your twins were second?

• 38:48Speaker 03

  Yes, they were. So we went from one to three right away. I never know what it was like to have two. Anybody that ever complains to me about having two, I'm like, "I don't know what you're talking about."

• 38:58Kylie Kelce?

  Sorry, can't help you.

• 38:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:59Kylie Kelce?

  We can't commiserate. I've never felt that.

• 39:01Speaker 03

  This is why I do have a question about this for you because I

• 39:04Kylie Kelce?

  Please.

• 39:04Speaker 03

  I am curious. People say when you go from three to, like, one to three, or no, one to two is wild, and then four, after three, when you go to four, that it's just as easy or something.

• 39:19Kylie Kelce?

  I have found that four is, feels very similar to three.

• 39:25Speaker 03

  And is it because the younger three just all play together and they just do their thing?

• 39:29Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 39:29Speaker 03

  Okay, got it. All right.

• 39:30Kylie Kelce?

  Now, something I am personally very passionate about is talking about body inclusivity, especially for young girls.

• 39:37Speaker 03

  Oh, you've got a little, like, a whole squad. You got a

• 39:41Kylie Kelce?

  Very much so.

• 39:42Speaker 03

  Man.

• 39:43Kylie Kelce?

  You are the literal model of that.

• 39:47Kylie Kelce?

  It's been eight years since your Sports Illustrated cover that made all the headlines. How does it feel now, all these years later, to be known for that and the conversation that came from it?

• 39:57Speaker 03

  Well, it's a lot of responsibility, for sure. And I'm proud to be a part of this community and to be spearheading so many different amazing opportunities as well. It's just still so sad that there's A, not a lot of plus-size models, B, plus-size curvy, voluptuous, whatever that word is for people, because everybody likes to be labeled something different. And also, the fact that brands, you know, in some cases, were using a lot of curvy models and now aren't. Same with runway, same with advertising, media, whatever. So it's an interesting place to be, having seen like so much work be done

• 40:39Speaker 03

  and then so much of it still kind of like not sticking for whatever reason. But I don't take my job lightly. I look at anybody who has ever given me their, you know, their story, or a hug, or a DM as like a part of my family in a sense of like, we're in this together. For me, like, I always look at everything with my glass half-full. And I'm a very positive person, and so I just keep laser-focused, move ahead, don't let the negativity get to me, whether it's the whole industry just saying like, "Where's the plus-size models? Where's the plus-size fashion?" Guess what? I'm gonna go make it. And I'm gonna go fill a hole that is just becoming to get bigger and bigger and bigger.

• 41:24Speaker 03

  Guess what? We're gonna go fix the issue. So, and it's really, I mean, it's amazing to know that there is such a major community of women who are banding together. They're underserved, but they're banding together and they're saying, "We want fashionable clothes. We want affordable clothes. We want to be looked at as important as we are." And I'm happy to know those women.

• 41:48Kylie Kelce?

  Now, I, in prepping for this conversation, read a quote of yours that I couldn't love more. You said, "I hate that I constantly have to discuss my body because I don't know any man that has to do that. But what motivates me to continue is that I didn't have someone talking about their body when I was young."

• 42:06Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm. It's so true. I mean, what, you know, in any introduction that we have, it's like, at what point have you ever said, "And here comes my big-boned friend John." It's like, what? Or like, "And here's my 46-pant friend Frank." It's like, it just doesn't happen. But when it comes to women, we're constantly judged on our exterior, whether it's our breast size, our waist size, our hip size, you know, whether we have cellulite or not, are we using Botox and filler? You know, how many hair extensions do you have? And like, did you put makeup on today? It's a constant, never-ending exterior judgment that is mind-boggling. And, you know, as much as I want to fight against it, I mean, we all do it.

• 42:51Speaker 03

  We're in this world of social media that has us constantly flipping and judging ourselves, judging others. And I think that has a lot to do with it. But I'm ready for the day where we don't have to talk about our bodies in a way that's like, you know, that feels so derogatory in a lot of ways, for me at least.

• 43:13Kylie Kelce?

  I do think that it feels like women are always put into boxes of like this, you have to go under the label and which, the label that was created for you. And it, you having these conversations, you standing up for the idea that we don't need to do that and that it doesn't need to be negative is so important specifically for a household of four girls. Because these are girls who I know in my own daily life, I have changed the way that I speak about myself and my own body in front of my own kids

• 43:54Speaker 03

  Good.

• 43:55Kylie Kelce?

  to make sure that I'm giving them an example on an everyday basis of how I can speak positively about my own body.

• 44:05Kylie Kelce?

  Because I want them to mirror that. And I've seen examples of it, which is incredible. And exciting, but.

• 44:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's one of the best things my mom ever did was she never spoke negatively about herself. So the fact that you already know that you're changing your words in front of your daughters, I mean, that's, that's going to change everything for their future.

• 44:26Kylie Kelce?

  That makes me feel excited about the fact that I've, I, because it is.

• 44:32Speaker 03

  Right, Kylie.

• 44:33Kylie Kelce?

  Thank you. It is, but like, sometimes it really is like a conscious effort to say out loud something more positive than what your brain is telling you.

• 44:42Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 44:43Kylie Kelce?

  Especially dressing a postpartum body.

• 44:46Speaker 03

  I was just gonna say, you're sitting in a postpartum body for six years. Like, so have I. My oldest is gonna be six in January and it's like, you know, your body completely shifts and changes and it's almost like, to me, it's almost unrecognizable when I look in the mirror.

• 45:00Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 45:01Speaker 03

  And, and, and having to shift my mind and even just, I'm like, golly, what's that advice I give girls all the time?

• 45:09Kylie Kelce?

  Now, you mentioned labels earlier, things like plus size, full figured, curvy, voluptuous, the list goes on. And you've said before that you don't like being labeled plus size. How do you feel about all of these labels? Is there, you said it yourself, that there's, like, everyone has their own preference?

• 45:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think that labels are, it's a dangerous place to be, in my opinion, especially like, I started molly when I was 12 years old. And to be, at that time, I was 5'9", I was a size 12, and they immediately put me in a category of plus size. And I was like, well, what does this mean? And it, it marked me and, and it told me who I was. And my, my whole understanding of, of this world is that if you're gonna let people tell you who you are, then that's who you will be. But you have to tell people who you are. Because this is a mean and evil world with people who want to dictate labels and want to put you in a box. But it's your job to really figure out who you are and what you want to be and, and then command it.

• 46:12Speaker 03

  So when I say I don't like. To be called plus size. It's not that I don't love the community. It's not that I'm not here writing for the girlies. It's that I don't really think that we need to have a label because of the number inside of our pants. And my skinny girlfriends don't do it. My guys, friends and business partners don't do it. Why do we need to start doing it just because we are um a much more voluptuous, curvy, you know, type of body? Doesn't make sense to me.

• 46:39Kylie Kelce?

  No, it very much feels like it should just be that, I mean, as women, I think we can acknowledge the fact that the spectrum of women's bodies is so, it's vast, like everyone, different height, different size, different build. Some people have have a bigger butt. Some people have small boobs. That was me.

• 47:02Speaker 03

  You got the small boobs and I got the big ass and here we are, girl. Here we go. Driving.

• 47:08Kylie Kelce?

  You know what? Better for it. Here I am. I just, I always say I could play field hockey better because I had a good range of motion. Nothing was getting in my way. But like, really, it's it's one of those things where it's like, why can't we just be like, she is a beautiful woman. Period. The end. Done.

• 47:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's it. I know. It's mind boggling to me. It's gonna be interesting to um check back in with you in about 10 years when your girls are, you know, wanting to put on makeup and

• 47:35Kylie Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 47:35Speaker 03

  clothes and all that stuff. Because I remember going through that. Like, I remember wanting to show my midriff off and and, you know, pull my boobs out and and and do that and trying to trying to explain to a girl that your worth is not wrapped up in your exterior, but we're here we are. Like, I'm a model. It just so happens that my worth is wrapped up. My job is wrapped up in my exterior. So I have been given a privilege to talk about don't let that happen to you, but I've seen firsthand some of the most beautiful women in the world who are some of the most insecure as well. Because you would think, and I could, I could say some of the most famous girls that you would say, there's no way that she's insecure.

• 48:14Speaker 03

  But they are. They've got rocking bodies and snatched faces and all of the above, but they still don't have worth in themselves. So, you know, what I was saying about, you know, watching your girls grow up, it's like, Planning on training them to to have no worth of their exterior is hard, but also knowing that you want them to feel good about themselves, too. It's like it's the double edged sword. It's wild.

• 48:39Kylie Kelce?

  It is. It's a pressure that women, I think, face every day and and almost unnecessarily, like it's a pressure we put on ourselves. But also, like you're saying, like raising girls, I feel an immense pressure to steer them in a way where they can have pride in their appearance, take pride in their appearance, but also not invest all of their worth in it.

• 49:05Speaker 03

  Exactly. It's hard. I can't, I can't imagine.

• 49:08Kylie Kelce?

  It's going great.

• 49:14Kylie Kelce?

  I'm gonna keep saying that till I believe it.

• 49:19Kylie Kelce?

  Now, I'd love to switch gears a little and talk to you about fashion and modeling. As a supermodel, you, of course, walk down some of the most prestigious runways in the world. So as a sports fan and not a model, do you do anything to psych yourself up?

• 49:36Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. I mean, I'm that, I think I'm annoying backstage right before a runway show because I'm like this, I'm like, whoo, whoo, whoo. I'm also like the oldest lady in the runway now because I'm like, I'm like there with all these like 16, 18, no, they must be of age now. There might be a lot now. They have like 18 to 25 and I'm like, here I am, I'm about to be 38. I'm like, let's go, let's go. Because I'm also a sports girl. I grew up playing soccer, basketball and volleyball. So I'm all about, you know, like, we got this. And yeah, they're just kind of like this, oh, who's the crazy lady over there? Like.

• 50:12Kylie Kelce?

  She's getting her game face on. Leave her alone.

• 50:15Speaker 03

  It's exhilarating right before you walk onto a runway. It's a wild thing to have everybody's eyes on you and a very like, whether the music is like, or like, you know, like whatever you're giving, it's giving all eyeballs are on you and don't fall. And I've never fallen on the runway until.

• 50:37Speaker 03

  Literally two days ago.

• 50:39Kylie Kelce?

  No.

• 50:40Speaker 03

  Girl.

• 50:41Kylie Kelce?

  No.

• 50:43Speaker 03

  But I will say.

• 50:44Kylie Kelce?

  Was it a stumble or was it a full splat?

• 50:47Speaker 03

  It was a full splat. However, however, God is good because it was, okay, imagine a square. It was at Hugo Boss and I don't even think anybody caught it on camera. So.

• 50:57Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 50:58Speaker 03

  You come out here, you go boom, boom, boom. And like right here is like rows of people. This last bit is like you're leaving and you're behind like equipment. People can still kind of see you if they care. And right there, it was like uneven cemented ground. And I went kerplap and it was on all fours and I gave it like a quick like.

• 51:22Kylie Kelce?

  A bend and snap if you will.

• 51:24Speaker 03

  I was straight out illegally blonde.

• 51:28Speaker 03

  And I was like, there we go. And we're back at it. And the guy behind me, I, I was, we hadn't spoken because he just wasn't talking very much. And then he was like, are you okay? And I'm like, I'm fine. And then I had a couple of girls come up to me afterwards. They were like, are you okay? I saw you fall. And I'm like, I'm fine, I'm fine. But thank God it wasn't in the, in like the main character runway.

• 51:49Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 51:50Speaker 03

  Because that would have definitely been on the internet.

• 51:52Kylie Kelce?

  Do you know, I feel like we can apply the thought like pics or it didn't happen. To this, like videos or it didn't happen. And we're not challenging the internet. We don't want to fucking see it. It didn't happen. You do, we don't know what you're talking about. But I do think this is the perfect instance. And like, if no one caught it.

• 52:09Speaker 03

  The girls came up and said, you sold out the dress. That's it. It's sold out. I thought that was great.

• 52:16Kylie Kelce?

  That's amazing. That is, that's honestly, that is, that's, I always tell people the, the, I was not nervous about getting married.

• 52:26Kylie Kelce?

  I was nervous about walking down the aisle and having to realize something.

• 52:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:29Kylie Kelce?

  So this feels like the fact that you thrive in that and that you just fucking turn it on and go is.

• 52:35Speaker 03

  I always, in my head, it's like, look hot, don't fall. Look hot, don't fall.

• 52:42Kylie Kelce?

  You were busy looking hot and you didn't get to the don't fall fast enough. It's fine. Next time you'll have it.

• 52:46Speaker 03

  Exactly. I must have just like breathed a little too much at that point. Geez.

• 52:51Kylie Kelce?

  Oh no, that's, that's crazy. That is two days ago.

• 52:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:55Kylie Kelce?

  Now, once again, as a non-model, my knowledge of modeling pretty much is exclusively from America's Next Top Model as a teenager.

• 53:06Speaker 03

  Are you an A and TM fan?

• 53:09Kylie Kelce?

  Uh, when I was in high school, yes.

• 53:11Speaker 03

  Got it. And did people say, cause like you're tall, you get those pretty blue eyes. Did they say like, oh, you should model?

• 53:19Kylie Kelce?

  Yes. And then I had to explain to them that I was not built for that.

• 53:23Speaker 03

  Okay, got it.

• 53:24Kylie Kelce?

  Because I don't like when people look at me.

• 53:28Speaker 03

  Got it.

• 53:30Kylie Kelce?

  My answer was usually like, I, I, I play field hockey.

• 53:34Speaker 03

  For it. Yeah.

• 53:35Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah. Like I, I don't, I wouldn't do that. But yes, a number of people are like, oh, you should. And I'm like, ah, I probably shouldn't. Because, no, thank you. I'm not built for that. I truly, I think that it's obvious that just because you're tall does not mean that you belong on a runway.

• 53:58Speaker 03

  Or, or a basketball court, right?

• 54:01Kylie Kelce?

  True. It, it goes both ways.

• 54:03Speaker 03

  My mom always said like, tall girls are the best because we can, you know, she always like, she was always like reaching for stuff or like doing like something active. And she was like, see, being tall is better. Like, and she would also say to me, and maybe this is something you could use, not, this is unsolicited advice, sorry. But I remember I have this like, my, my butt does like a, it has a side butt is what my husband calls it. It's like, you know, this like meaty.

• 54:29Kylie Kelce?

  A little dip.

• 54:30Speaker 03

  Like right here. Yeah. The hip dip.

• 54:31Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 54:31Speaker 03

  The hip dip.

• 54:32Kylie Kelce?

  Love it.

• 54:33Speaker 03

  I remember when I first discovered mine and I was like, mom, look at this. What is this? And she goes, oh, look, I have it too. And if you didn't have it, you wouldn't fit into this family. I was like, oh, and I, I took that until here I am in my late 30s. And that is something I can't wait to tell my kids if my boys.

• 54:52Kylie Kelce?

  That's so perfect.

• 54:53Speaker 03

  If I have a voice saying, mom, look, I've got a hip dip.

• 54:58Kylie Kelce?

  You're like, that's from Mama Dearest. Thank you. Now, America's Next Top Model.

• 55:04Speaker 03

  Yes, yes, back to that. That was a big deal. You know, there's a lot of, like, that, I mean, that was a cultural moment. I remember watching it growing up, too. So when Tyra called and asked me to be a judge, I was blown away. I was like, are you sure?

• 55:21Kylie Kelce?

  Now, one of the things that I remember most from the show was when some of the models were asked to cut their hair. I don't know why the makeover part of the show was always the most fascinating. I think it's because they always chose the girl with like, the most luscious, beautiful locks to be like pixie cut.

• 55:37Speaker 03

  I know, it's so drastic. I know.

• 55:40Kylie Kelce?

  Has anyone ever asked you to do something?

• 55:43Speaker 03

  Never.

• 55:44Kylie Kelce?

  Like that, where you were like?

• 55:45Speaker 03

  No.

• 55:46Kylie Kelce?

  Maybe? I love that. I'm so glad you dodged.

• 55:49Speaker 03

  Oh, my God. And if they would, I'd be like, how much money are you paying me?

• 55:53Kylie Kelce?

  Right?

• 55:54Speaker 03

  I'm not doing this for free. Hell, no.

• 55:56Kylie Kelce?

  No.

• 55:56Speaker 03

  The crazy, I mean, I've worn like blonde wigs and when I was on Broadway, I had like a very weird wig on. But that's like a whole, that's not even modeling. But I've never, no, I've never, I do remember cutting my hair into a bob and then getting pregnant and then being like, oh, my God, I'm gonna be like pregnant and heinous and overweight and have a bob. And then it actually was cute. So, I mean, again.

• 56:23Kylie Kelce?

  Circling back to fashion, you have a brand new clothing line that's officially out today, October 2.

• 56:31Speaker 03

  And I'm wearing it. Hey.

• 56:33Kylie Kelce?

  I love it.

• 56:34Speaker 03

  You know, like when you do something and you feel like, and I get to lean into like, how good it is.

• 56:40Kylie Kelce?

  That's so good.

• 56:41Speaker 03

  You know, yes, and it's with JCPenney. I didn't.

• 56:44Kylie Kelce?

  Yes, it's the Ashley Graham for JCPenney collection. And it's available now exclusively at JCPenney in stores and online.

• 56:53Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 56:54Kylie Kelce?

  Tell me everything.

• 56:55Speaker 03

  So, full circle moment, I have been, I was modeling for JCPenney as a catalog girl, like way back before Sports Illustrated. And so they approached me about doing a collaboration and not just any collab. Like a lot of people get to smack their name on something and say like, did that. But I've done collaborations in the past where the more involved I am in the design process, the more successful it is because the customer can feel it. And I said, look, if I'm going to do something like this, like I need, like I need a new creative team. I, I want to be able to like be in the meetings, feel the fabric, like design with you guys. And that's, they said, well, that's exactly what we want to, because we want to do a cultural shift

• 57:41Speaker 03

  when it comes to plus size, plus sizes and, and the fashion at JCPenney as a whole. So, um, we have designed a beautiful collection that is our fall collection. And we've got each season has got a new drop. But we started at 14, we go up to a 32 and we're starting at an 0X, we're going to a 5X. And I'm just really excited because to have affordable, fashionable and clothes that fit is, you know, you would think would be so easy to find and it's not. And, um, and I'm just really happy that I was able to make things that I wanted in my own closet selfishly.

• 58:22Speaker 03

  And things that I know have been completely underserved to women who are, you know, most of my friends can't just go into a store and shop because the clothes aren't available for them. So I'm really excited for the world to have a little piece of my creative juices with JCPenney.

• 58:40Kylie Kelce?

  Well, it's so exciting to know how much experience you have in the fashion world, that you are a resource yourself with all of the knowledge that you have built up over the years. And so to be able to know that you actually had so much in making this happen and the creation of all of these pieces, I feel like that speaks for itself to know that people are going to be crushing it in this collection.

• 59:06Speaker 03

  I really think they are. I'm excited. I'm excited for everybody to like put, put their little JCP on and, and strut it. Cause they're going to feel like a million bucks.

• 59:14Kylie Kelce?

  Um, now I'd love to ask you another question about fashion and runways. I remember seeing your post about the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show last year, which you made history for walking in. You wrote, when Victoria's Secret first reached out. I'll be honest, I hesitated. Their vision of beauty seemed narrow as if everything they created was for just one type of body and it wasn't mine. What ultimately made you change your mind?

• 59:38Speaker 03

  At that time, I was, it took me a long time to say yes. And because everything I do is really about alignment and making sure that it's, yes, it's for my brand, but it's also for the community and that I'm making the right decision. And I never want to take a job just based off of the clout or the money. It has to be with intention. And ultimately, the reason I said yes is because I got on Zoom at the, then, she's not there anymore, but the CEO at the time, and she told me, she said, we are making larger sizes. We are going up into the G and H cups. We hear you when you want, you know, you want to see

• 1:00:18Speaker 03

  a 42, 44 band. And that really was a promising thing for me, just understanding that Victoria's Secret was making the efforts to do it. And I understand, like, as an infrastructure and like a whole, and a whole company, it is hard to just like boom, switch the sizes because they've got factories and all kinds of things that they have to go through the process and the hoops and whatever. However, just knowing that that was the case and then actually seeing the sizes go up and change as I shot them Mother's Day campaign for them the following year, they stuck to their promise and I was really grateful for that.

• 1:00:57Kylie Kelce?

  That's incredible. And again, you crushed it.

• 1:01:02Speaker 03

  Thank you. It was really cool. I got to come up from the floor. It was, you know, it was like boom, and then, you know,

• 1:01:14Kylie Kelce?

  Unreal.

• 1:01:15Speaker 03

  It was, it was kind of like a, oh my God, this is happening. And I'm almost butt naked. What is going on? I just had three children. Holy shit.

• 1:01:24Kylie Kelce?

  You're like, yes, watch this ass.

• 1:01:29Kylie Kelce?

  Nailed it. Um, now, speaking of three children, I'd love to circle back to motherhood. Um, it's something that I love to ask all of my fellow mom guests. What is the best piece of motherhood advice that you've ever received?

• 1:01:42Speaker 03

  Oh, you might have heard this too. And it's something that I tell moms and dads all the time, but I always say to like the moms, I always say mommy knows best. And when I say that, it's like your gut intuition is always, is always right. Don't listen to your mom or your mother-in-law, or your sister-in-law, or your sister, or da, da, da, da, da, da, da. It's like, or your neighbor. It's like, it's, it's, it's your child. It's your gut. You know what's best.

• 1:02:11Kylie Kelce?

  That's such a good piece of advice. Now, I cannot thank you enough for coming on today. It has been an absolute pleasure. I want to acknowledge the fact that you are carrying a level of responsibility, I think, that you express, that you feel this pressure to hold strong for the community that you represent in curvier, plus-size women. And being someone who has fluctuated in size, who has struggled buying clothes for height, for weight, for thickness, all of it, I cannot thank you enough for advocating for women, period.

• 1:02:54Kylie Kelce?

  And making sure that we all have the opportunity to look and feel as beautiful as we are. So, and the fact that my girls get to grow up in a world where they have an advocate like you leading the way, I really, really appreciate it.

• 1:03:07Speaker 03

  That's really nice of you, Kylie. I appreciate that. Thank you for saying that.

• 1:03:11Kylie Kelce?

  Of course. You can check out Ashley's brand new clothing line right now at JC Penney, both online and in store. And that's a wrap on another episode of Not Gonna Lie. You can find even more clips from my longer conversation with Ashley on my YouTube channel on More Shit Monday. I'll be back next Thursday with a brand new episode. Follow Not Gonna Lie on all social media, at NGL with Kylie. Listen and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Not Gonna Lie is a Wave original brought to you by Liquid IV. Thanks to the real ones for tuning in.

• 1:03:47Kylie Kelce?

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