Spencer Pratt: How to Be Famous (FBF)

This week, Father Cooper sits down with Spencer Pratt. Spoiler alert: Spencer gets pissed and storms out of the interview after Alex asks a triggering question. But, before the tantrum, Spencer name drops practically everyone in Hollywood and gives us the 101 on how to become famous. We know the drill, Spencer Pratt walked so Kim Kardashian could run. But according to Spencer, fame isn’t even cool anymore! We get the juicy tea on his attempt to join the Illuminati and his sleepover with Hillary Clinton. The OG villain, Spencer reminisces about the early days of reality tv - when he and Heidi were once the most famous (and hated) couple in the world. And then…the question that ended the interview. “You will obviously never be as relevant as you once were, how does that make you feel?”

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Alex Cooper?

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• 1:28Alex Cooper?

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• 2:10Alex Cooper?

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• 2:55Alex Cooper?

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• 3:21Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah?

• 3:24Speaker 01

  Fuck you. Fuck this interview. Stupid podcast. Fuck this shit's over here.

• 3:29Alex Cooper?

  Is he actually leaving?

• 3:33Speaker 01

  What is up Daddy gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper with Call Her Daddy.

• 3:39Alex Cooper?

  Okay, here we go. Mr. Pratt.

• 3:47Alex Cooper?

  Look at this outfit. I love it. Oh, my God. So nice to meet you.

• 3:52Speaker 01

  The devil's attacking me.

• 3:53Alex Cooper?

  Oh, my God, the devil?

• 3:54Speaker 01

  Well, the second I get in my car, it's never happened in my life. It says, "Engine coolant." I'm like, "What the fuck does that mean?" So, go to the gas station. I'm like, "Oh, buy engine coolant." I put it in and it's like spraying out. I call BMW service. They're like, "You need to tow it right now."

• 4:08Alex Cooper?

  I gotta go to- Call her daddy.

• 4:10Speaker 01

  No, fuck the car.

• 4:13Alex Cooper?

  Oh my god. Okay, do you, can you mic yourself up immediately? Because we're getting into this.

• 4:18Speaker 01

  This is very fancy.

• 4:19Alex Cooper?

  Wait, isn't it cute? It's my, Spencer, it's the first time I'm using these.

• 4:22Speaker 01

  I feel honored.

• 4:23Alex Cooper?

  I'm honored because I knew you were someone that would know how to put it on and use it.

• 4:27Speaker 01

  I usually let them do it. That's like the perks.

• 4:30Alex Cooper?

  So I should have done it. Okay, we're going over here to make a drink.

• 4:33Speaker 01

  Oh, you didn't even get good tequila. This is embarrassing. I won't actually touch these bottles.

• 4:40Alex Cooper?

  Wait, are you serious?

• 4:41Speaker 01

  Oh, I can't be on camera with that.

• 4:43Alex Cooper?

  Wait, what do you drink?

• 4:45Speaker 01

  I mean, I was bootlegging enough would be like Cola's and Zul's as low as we're gonna go.

• 4:50Alex Cooper?

  This is all I had from like random.

• 4:52Speaker 01

  I'll watch. You're not getting me on camera. Hold on. I mean, this was, I drank this in.

• 4:56Alex Cooper?

  Wait, do I have anything else? Spencer, I tried.

• 5:00Speaker 01

  1942, come on. Spotify, what is going on? Budget cuts?

• 5:06Alex Cooper?

  I have a champagne bottle. Okay, so Spencer, right off the bat, is just shitting on me for not having.

• 5:11Speaker 01

  I also needed this.

• 5:12Alex Cooper?

  Your ticket?

• 5:13Speaker 01

  That car coolant, that was a lot.

• 5:14Alex Cooper?

  Okay, yeah, let's talk about what happened.

• 5:16Speaker 01

  All right, so I get in the car. I was gonna be very early. I was gonna sit in the car, meditate, just visualize the best freaking podcast ever. And I get in the car and it says engine coolant. I'm like, I'm not a mechanic, but this seems bad. So I go to the car place real quick. I'm like, I need engine coolant. I'm very late to the biggest podcast of my life. Statistically. And so he's like, oh my god, it's leaking everywhere. And I'm like, pour more in. So when I pour more in, I called BMW. They're like, you need to tow it here, right? I'm like, I'm not towing it. They're like, the car could shut down on you on the way there. I'm like, well, then it's gonna shut down because I'm not missing this. Let's pop the Dom.

• 5:57Alex Cooper?

  Okay, okay. Do you want to pop the Dom?

• 5:59Speaker 01

  I mean, I'll drink that.

• 6:00Alex Cooper?

  Okay, let's do that. Let's do that. That's a better way to go about it. Okay, I feel like you should do the honors.

• 6:06Speaker 01

  You know, here's the thing I've learned because Heidi's a professional champagne bottle opener. I used to like the excitement of.

• 6:13Alex Cooper?

  Right, like you want to spray it all on my camera?

• 6:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, and she's like, no, you're not even supposed to have like barely a noise. It's not a game to like, you know, you guard that you come in like that. You treat it like that because people always, you're gonna. So the key, what I've been taught, is you just slowly, it's less exciting, but let's not.

• 6:35Alex Cooper?

  I think that's better.

• 6:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, let's not waste this money.

• 6:40Alex Cooper?

  I mean, picking off the Call Her Daddy podcast, beautiful.

• 6:46Speaker 01

  Cheers to the daddy gay. I am so honored to be involved with your mafia.

• 6:53Alex Cooper?

  I'm so honored you're here, they're gonna love you. Spencer, you are popping off on TikTok. I need to know, what is your strategy?

• 7:00Speaker 01

  It was drinking and then that's why I haven't been TikToking. Well, here's what happened. Here's what happened. I don't know how it happened. So what people loved to, so I had to stop because Heidi was like, you play the hills in the house anymore. Like I'm gonna choke you. Like she can't even, it's like nails on a chalkboard. So and I'm like, honey, these are going viral. Like this one just did a meal in like 10 minutes. And she's like, I don't care. Like stop talking about that. I'm like, it's relevant to a niche micro audience, honey. So.

• 7:31Alex Cooper?

  That is fucking clear.

• 7:33Speaker 01

  It's a hard balance because I'm also blowing up all these people that I can't stand.

• 7:36Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 7:37Speaker 01

  So it's like, do I, like, I'm like, ah, the views, but I'm like, nobody.

• 7:42Alex Cooper?

  I kind of love that Heidi's like, Spencer, knock it the fuck off. And you're like, can't hear you, a million views, gotta go.

• 7:49Speaker 01

  This is so delicious. I can't believe you don't have a charcuterie plate though for us.

• 7:54Alex Cooper?

  Okay, we're going upstairs to the interview. Are you ready? Should we bring this or no? Let's leave it. You need to drive home in your fucked up car.

• 8:01Speaker 01

  Oh, no, I'm towing it.

• 8:02Alex Cooper?

  Oh, here?

• 8:02Speaker 01

  It's a tow situation.

• 8:03Alex Cooper?

  Oh, you're towing it here?

• 8:05Speaker 01

  I wasn't even supposed to get here.

• 8:06Alex Cooper?

  Is Heidi picking you up?

• 8:07Speaker 01

  I said I would.

• 8:09Alex Cooper?

  Uber.

• 8:09Speaker 01

  Black Uber X.

• 8:12Alex Cooper?

  Spencer, it's all about the money. Let's go upstairs. Oh, my gosh.

• 8:29Alex Cooper?

  All right.

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• 9:16Alex Cooper?

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• 12:19Speaker 01

  Now I'm praying.

• 12:21Alex Cooper?

  You're praying? Do you want to pray out loud?

• 12:25Speaker 01

  Please, God, have this just be the greatest podcast to ever hit the waves of this dimension. Have it just touch so many people's hearts in a positive, enlightening way, God, and just truly be a blessing for everyone's ears. And if they're visually watching this with captions, just when they read it, just have their spirit just be uplifted and inspired. Amen.

• 12:54Speaker 01

  That was a little too much Holy Spirit, almost fainted there, oh my God.

• 13:00Alex Cooper?

  Do you believe in God?

• 13:02Speaker 01

  Oh yeah.

• 13:03Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 13:03Speaker 01

  But I mean Heidi like took it to the next level because she's like a preacher.

• 13:06Alex Cooper?

  Really?

• 13:07Speaker 01

  Like I was trying to be in the Illuminati when I met Heidi.

• 13:11Alex Cooper?

  Wait, were you really?

• 13:12Speaker 01

  Oh, a hundred percent. I didn't realize they're like drinking blood and

• 13:15Alex Cooper?

  Ooh, you're not into that?

• 13:16Speaker 01

  Weird. I thought it was just like sex parties, like Eyes Wide Shut.

• 13:20Alex Cooper?

  Oh, right.

• 13:20Speaker 01

  Everybody older than, you know, eighteen.

• 13:23Alex Cooper?

  Totally. You wanted to be a part of the sex parties?

• 13:25Speaker 01

  Not just the party, but like that.

• 13:28Alex Cooper?

  That's a perk.

• 13:28Speaker 01

  Like the Tom Cruise movie. Like that looked, you know, pretty like minus like people disappearing. It looked like my vibe.

• 13:35Alex Cooper?

  Thank you for kicking us off. I feel really zen and calm. I almost just started crying. I don't know if it was tears of joy or laughter, but it was something. You got an emotion out of me.

• 13:44Speaker 01

  I mean, it hit me too. I don't know. It's good A C in here, but it was.

• 13:48Alex Cooper?

  Like, I almost fainted. Okay, Spencer Pratt, welcome to Call Her Daddy.

• 13:53Speaker 01

  I am so honored.

• 13:55Alex Cooper?

  You grew up in California, going to school with celebrities and celebrities' kids. Who was the first famous person you remember meeting in your life?

• 14:05Speaker 01

  Oh, hands down, Meryl Streep. I was on the set of Death Becomes Her, I think is the title, where she's like falling apart. So shout out, she would deny knowing me at this point, but I think her name was Mamie Gummer. Uh, we were BFFs. We were very young. We would go set and it was Meryl Streep and I would be chilling on set, so, yeah.

• 14:26Alex Cooper?

  I did not expect the answer that's fucking baller.

• 14:29Speaker 01

  Oh, I mean, I went to Crossroads. The list like goes on, but that's like.

• 14:33Alex Cooper?

  That's like domain.

• 14:35Speaker 01

  The cool, like just in this mansion and, you know, I mean, then it's next thing you know, I'm having a slumber party with Hillary Clinton, you know? So, I mean, like my childhood.

• 14:43Alex Cooper?

  You have to clarify. You're having a slumber party with Hillary Clinton? What do you mean?

• 14:47Speaker 01

  So my best friend Charlie, uh, his parents were best friends with the Clintons from Arkansas. And so when I was a kid, you know, I'd always sleep over at Charlie's house, but one night, you know, you know, I was pre-checked, you know, I knew this was gonna happen. So, Secret Service did their thing. I think I was a safe fourteen year old or whatever. And so, yeah, slumber party. I was in the kitchen with Hillary. That was wild.

• 15:12Alex Cooper?

  So you reference your high school and how you were surrounded by like a lot of famous people. What were you like in high school and what did the other kids think about you?

• 15:22Speaker 01

  Well, I try to say that I am exactly, you know, I've learned a lot of lessons, but I would say I'm the exact same person that I've always been and I haven't changed. So, you know, I had just as many people that didn't like me back then. You know, I had, you know, enemies putting up, you know, dicks drawn on my face around town, you know. So, I came in like hot, you know. So, I think because, you know, for my private school world, soccer was our big sport. We didn't have a football team. So, um, I was, for my world, really good at soccer. So I was on the older teams. So,

• 16:00Alex Cooper?

  Got it.

• 16:00Speaker 01

  you know, when I was fifteen, all the seniors, I was rolling with them. So, you know, everything got fast forward. Like when I watch, I don't watch Euphoria, but when I see clips, I'm like, oh my God, this is the Disney Channel compared to like LA and growing up, you know. Now it's crazier because you just die of fentanyl and whatever. So, it's definitely like darker now. So, I pray for these kids. But, um, it was amazing. Everyone's always like, oh, why don't you like write, like, people that know me, you should write a memoir. I'm like, like, no way.

• 16:31Alex Cooper?

  You wouldn't?

• 16:32Speaker 01

  Well, right now I just found all these tapes and I was like, maybe I just cut together, like Heidi was calling it, selling Spencer. It was because I really have just been trying to sell myself for all these years. Not my soul, though. That's the one thing I've, I've stayed strong. That's why I'm not rich and famous. It's because I didn't cross that tier of.

• 16:49Alex Cooper?

  What would of crossing that tier looked like, though? Because I think to the world, it looks like you sold it.

• 16:54Speaker 01

  Oh, no, there's a whole nother Satanism level that, you know, I didn't unlock.

• 16:59Alex Cooper?

  Like, what would you do?

• 17:01Speaker 01

  I mean, I, what do they do?

• 17:03Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 17:04Speaker 01

  These people that you just, they're not upfront with it. But there's a, I'm, we're talking spiritual level, not like, oh, what you say on, on a show. Like, these people are going.

• 17:14Alex Cooper?

  Okay, so it's interesting because I feel like what you were saying about being in high school, like you were always kind of this like polarizing figure. There are going to be people that like me, and then there are going to be people that don't like me, and that's okay. But when you were younger, did you ever get in trouble for your temper?

• 17:31Speaker 01

  Um, well, in one soccer game, you know, backstory. So in high school, you know, we went to GNCs. You get protein powders, you get energy. So at the time, there was this product called Rip Fuel. And I was like, that's every brand I want to be ripped and fuel. So, and they had a strawberry flavored one. So I would be hitting Rip Fuel before games. Um, you know, you just mix in your water. It's, it's legal. It's by, it's like Gatorade for me, whatever. You know, I'd never drink Gatorade though. Um, it's not brought to you by Gatorade. I can't be promoting Gatorade. So yeah, I was all pumped up on Rip Fuel, you know, and it's very competitive. And I was taking this very serious. And so this was the semifinals and

• 18:17Speaker 01

  there was like a team little meeting the night before the game that this coach who no longer the coach for a reason. Shout out Fed, the new coach. So the seniors didn't go to this team meeting that was unnecessary the night before a game. So the next day, biggest game of the senior year semifinals, he benches all eight of the best players, the seniors, hands down, the best players, including myself. We're now losing at half, like two, zero. You know, I'm pacing the side of the thing. I'm like, this is like, you, we get it like, and he wanted to make a point like, we don't need you. Like he thought they were going to do fine with like, whatever. So finally at halftime, we go back in, I go in, score two goals, tie it up, so pumped up,

• 19:02Speaker 01

  score a third goal. Now we're winning. He goes, sub. He tries to pull me out. I'm like, I don't know if I flicked him off or whatever. I'm like, you know, I must have been me like, what's up? Like, you know, I mean, the crowd, this was back when people cared, you know? You know, like living, you know, this was our Friday night life, right? It was probably on Friday too. And so, you know, I went to the sideline and, you know, maybe got in the coach's face. And my mom ran on the field. My mom, you know, this was crazy what he did. So my mom backed me up, but I didn't hit anybody. I didn't, there was no, he was just yelling. He's yelling back. So I get called in because they're maybe going to suspend me and they're like, you were Acting very pumped up like, were you on something? I'm like, yeah, rip fuel. And they're like, what's rip fuel?

• 19:46Speaker 01

  Can you bring this in like the principal office, uh, Tom Nolan, Bob Riddle just retired, bye bye Bob. So I bring in the rip fuel and they read the back of it and it had a Phaedra in it, which is now illegal. And they decided it was like speed. So I would just dose up on, you know, rip fuel. So that got me not suspended or expelled or whatever. But other than that, like, no, I was a teacher. I have type with all the teachers.

• 20:11Alex Cooper?

  So you got to blame your behavior on rip fuel?

• 20:16Speaker 01

  I mean, it was, it was a stimulant.

• 20:18Alex Cooper?

  Totally. Was anyone else taking it with you?

• 20:20Speaker 01

  The whole team. Yeah. But I mean, I was more pumped up.

• 20:23Alex Cooper?

  So who was your first famous friend?

• 20:30Speaker 01

  Like the we kicked it with all the, like, the first famous person we started kicking it with, uh, was Paris Hilton. Peak, the most famous person on the planet. That was when I saw like firsthand, real deal, new, modern tabloid fame. Cause I mean, I had grown up with, you know, A-list celebrity parents and I saw that's more low key. And it hadn't, this was peak Paris coming in the game, tabloid cover, energy, paparazzi. And I will always say, you know, I'm not close with her. I don't know her, you know, but she was so consistently nice. And like, she didn't even need to like, I'm a like entourage hanger on or like rando and still got treated with, you know.

• 21:10Alex Cooper?

  That's dope.

• 21:11Speaker 01

  I'll always say, you know, good for you.

• 21:13Alex Cooper?

  That Paris Hilton era was the beginning of it all with paparazzi. Like, do you think that sparked something in you of like, damn?

• 21:23Speaker 01

  No, I was, I was telling people at age 16, bringing in Us Weekly covers, telling folks, get ready, I'm gonna be on the cover of Us Weekly. And people were like, what is this? My mom always had tablets. So I grew up with tablets around the house. And but nobody appreciated them like I did. So I was, pre-Paris, I was already coming hot. Like, there was no doubt in my mind.

• 21:43Alex Cooper?

  You were gonna be on those tablets. Okay. But in your head, Spencer, what were you thinking you were gonna be on the tabloids?

• 21:49Speaker 01

  I had no idea, but I was like. I'm gonna be famous. These famous people have it so figured out. I mean, because when you grow up seeing how famous people live, like, you know, as a just eyes on like the reservation. That's worlds over, by the way. Like, people are like, oh, he's so thirsty. He still wants to be famous. Like, fame isn't even cool anymore now. I would love to have it, but it's still not, you know, nineties to early two thousands when these people live. I mean, they were taking helicopters, landing on, just the rules have changed to the game. So what I grew up thinking fame was is so different. Like, I wouldn't grow up now and be like, oh, all due respect to TikTok. I love being viral on TikTok, but I don't think I'd be like, oh, my God, I want to be a viral TikToker as like what I was chasing.

• 22:33Alex Cooper?

  If you had grown up in Ohio, like, do you think because of where you grew up and what you were around is why you wanted to be famous? Because you got to.

• 22:41Speaker 01

  Oh, one hundred percent. Like, I think in Ohio, one of these other states, I would have ended up in, like, Delta Force and gone in the military or been a spy or something. Yeah, that was my brand. That's why I don't have tattoos, because that was always like, well, if I am going to be Jason Bourne, you can't have tattoos. So, you know, like, I was like deep.

• 22:57Alex Cooper?

  Logical.

• 22:58Speaker 01

  But the problem was, I lived in the Palisades. It was like, ah, get killed or like, go to Nobu.

• 23:05Alex Cooper?

  I want to go to Nobu and not have to go and like fight.

• 23:07Speaker 01

  In a different state, that's the energy I have.

• 23:10Alex Cooper?

  Okay, I was looking this up and nowhere is this story. When and how did you meet Brody Jenner?

• 23:18Speaker 01

  Rewind to eighth grade, um, I won't say her last name, maybe she's anonymous. Heather was the it girl on the eighth grade soccer team and I was on the soccer bus because they had other guys and girls on the same soccer bus. Brody played no sports. So eighth grade, Heather was the hot, super hot superstar girl and Brody was her boyfriend. And so I was like, this dude. And Brody at this time thought he was, you know, it was pre Eminem, I think, but Brody was like a a large Eminem, like, no pun intended. Um, you know, he was a bigger guy. He loved melt cheese. I later found out he'd just melt a cube of cheese and just like eat it with a spoon.

• 24:01Speaker 01

  And so he was, he then got ripped and like changed with this Brody was like a rapper, melted cheese. And I was like, how is this happening? So we had just beef in the sense I was like, how is this your girlfriend? Like we have soccer practice together. We have way more in common. So I don't know what I said, but we got in like the only little shoving match in middle school. So that we had beef, right? But then years later, this girl that I was seeing, Casey, I won't say her last name because I'm not trying to catch a case. Um, she was dating me and I, somebody tells me that's Brody's girlfriend. I'm like, she's not Brody's girlfriend. Like, so I bring it up to her and I'm like, do you have a boyfriend?

• 24:45Speaker 01

  Like, and she's like, well, I didn't think we were like exclusive or care. I was like, oh no, I don't care. It's all good. But it's like, I reach out to Brody through mutual friends. I'm like, yo, you know, I know we're not cool or whatever, but we should meet at Donna Antonio's and talk, you know, because I guess I had heard he like loved this girl and I was like, and so we meet up and I'm like, your girlfriend is not your girlfriend. He's like, and I'm like, I like, I didn't know, like she told me, but I, when I found out, that's why I called you. And he's like, I'm gonna call. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. You know, this is pre all these teen movies. We should have made a team. It was like, I think we play this out a little bit. So we started becoming best friends on like making plans with her.

• 25:27Speaker 01

  And then the other person would can't like he'd cancel and then she called me and I'd be like, yeah, yeah. And then she may get those plans and like, we did this for a while to the point where like, you know, maybe we crossed the line or whatever, you know, but it was like, you know, you want to play the game. Let's play it. Um, so we became best friends at, this is probably 18.

• 25:47Alex Cooper?

  How did you get cast on The Hills?

• 25:50Speaker 01

  So now we're going back to, um,

• 25:54Speaker 01

  I'm now in college, I don't know how I see something about the Osbournes making twenty-five million dollars for the and I'd seen the show, I was like, oh, this is entertaining, they got dogs pooping, Ozzy yells, like, da-da-da. Um, and so, I'm like, I'm gonna make a reality show. So I call Brody, I'm like, we gotta meet at PF Chang's. When PF Chang's had just, like PF Chang's was Mr. Chow's at this point. There wasn't Mr. Chow's, like, this was the hottest Chinese food spot you could go to. So we meet at PF Chang's, he brings Chucky, his like, consigliere, like advisor, Chucky Decu. And, uh, so, I'm like, I wanna make a reality show about you, and he's like, "Oh, I don't know about that." And Chucky's like, "You should do it."

• 26:36Speaker 01

  This is my advisor, and I'm like, and he's like, "Here's the deal. If you come to my house tomorrow at eight AM with the camera, start filming, I'll do it." And he's calling my bluff, cuz I'm a sleeper in at this time, like, I'm not trying to be up all the way in Malibu, like, at Cross Creek. So, I had a camera, cuz I had just tried to shoot a documentary in Brazil about, like, the, like, I tried to make my own take-in, you know, uh, like, pre-take-in with, like, a kidnapping, and I shot this full film, and I was like-

• 27:04Alex Cooper?

  Can you please release that?

• 27:06Speaker 01

  It's pretty hardcore, cuz it was like, I use real people, and like, like, people that see it are like, this is so inappropriate and intense, but like, at that time kidnapping was like the big thing, and I was already in Brazil, and I, you know, I was like, I need to make a, so it looks, it's too real, you know, like, it's like, so, like, whoa. Like, it was like, oh, they're, we're in, we're tourists, and then, boom, like, the vans come and duct tape, like, it's crazy. You, I should like, but it, like, I could've, if I had, like, a good editor, I would've won a Sundance, cuz it was like, no act, like, I went to the Flavellas, gave people cash, all real guns, from like, got real cops to like, cha-

• 27:48Speaker 01

  I mean, it was so crazy. Cuz I wanna be a filmmaker, you know, like, like, I didn't, you know, that was clout, was like, Michael Bay, like,

• 27:55Alex Cooper?

  Totally.

• 27:55Speaker 01

  You know, so I was like, I'm making, yeah. So I edit this, I show Brody, he's like, "Bro, fuck it."

• 28:03Speaker 01

  "Don't you dare show anybody this, like, you are gonna jail."

• 28:09Speaker 01

  But I mean, everyone's in on it, you know, like

• 28:12Alex Cooper?

  Nothing bad is happening. You're saying it looks a little

• 28:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, and Brody's like, people are gonna be a little concerned this was your girlfriend at the time. Like, it's like she wanted to be an actress, like, she was actor. There's clearly evidence showing this was, you know, everyone was fine and like

• 28:27Alex Cooper?

  But it was a little too real.

• 28:28Speaker 01

  It was as real as it gets. So, if I needed a kidnapping in Brazil, I have the full

• 28:34Alex Cooper?

  You know how it's going.

• 28:36Speaker 01

  So I had the camera, the good camera, GL2 Canon. And so I show up 8 a.m. I have this one tape, like I rewatched this the other day. I show up, camera on him, in his nose, just trolling him, like pushing it in, he's like, oh. So I tell my parents I'm withdrawing from USC and I'm taking a leave of absence. They're like, what? I'm like, I'm making a reality show. They're like, oh my God. I'm like, don't worry, I can go back. I mean, at this point, they're like, I'm glad he's back from Brazil. Um, you know, so, uh, we, I started just filming everything in the house. But his stepdad is a superstar, mega, and in real life, he's literally telling me, "Stop fucking filming me, get the fuck out of my house."

• 29:21Speaker 01

  And, you know, at the time, Paris and, and Nicole were on Fox. So I was saying, "This is Fox, Dave." You know, I didn't appreciate who he was. Brody said that he makes elevator music. Like, that was my

• 29:33Alex Cooper?

  This is David Foster.

• 29:35Speaker 01

  Like, so that's my percent. And I'm like, oh.

• 29:38Alex Cooper?

  You make elevator music? Fuck off.

• 29:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, that was the energy. Like, Brody's like, says you make elevator music. So I had no, like, "Oh, it's Dave Fug." I'm like, in his face, he's swearing at us. You know, he's like, "Get the fuck out of my house." And my head was like, we have a bigger man, we have a bigger mansion, there's more dogs here. They had like 10 dogs shitting everywhere. And he was a superstar. And then we have Brody's mom, Linda Thompson, who at one time Elvis was trying to marry, dated Elvis for five years. Linda's incredible TV legend. So she's playing all into it and letting us like, "Let the boys do the boy," you know? So, and I'm living the life too. I'm never stopping filming because they got the chef. I'm going in the fridge. I got a plate that says, "Dave," I'm eating his food all day from the chef.

• 30:21Speaker 01

  And we edit it right there, just like, you know, a few minutes. On Sunday night, I get a call from this guy. And he's like Spencer, I'm like, who's this? And he's like, it's Peter. I'm like, Peter who? And he's like, Peter Chernin. He's the chairman of News Corp that owns Fox. And he's like, you have a meeting tomorrow at nine AM with Gail Berman. I'm like, cool, who's Gail Berman? He's like Spencer, she's the president of Fox Television. She knows the deal, just go to the meeting. I'm like, okay. And he hangs up. I'm like, okay. So I called David Foster to like talk. She, I'm like, going to Fox, Fosman. You know, talking all this smack. This is where he murked me out. Cause he didn't have like, now he's like, oh, this is real. So he didn't have faith in me like, I don't think he knew what level I had, I'd already got it done. Yeah.

• 31:06Speaker 01

  So he calls his boy, cause David's Canadian. He calls his homie from Canada. That like, they had tried to do some projects together in the past. And he's like, you gotta go to this meeting. So I pull up like out of a movie. And I get to the Fox lot right there. Every time I drive by it now, I still am like, God, what a memory that you just came and make up. And I pull up, I'm like Spencer Pratt for Gail Berman. And they're like, oh, sorry, somebody already used your drive on. I'm like, what does that mean? They're like, you're gonna have to park on the street. And like, I'm like, wait, what? So now I'm like parking down Pico, like running. And I'm in my like dumb purple shirt that, you know, that I thought was like a fancy shirt, you know, that I, I didn't have like,

• 31:48Speaker 01

  I didn't like have designer clothes or whatever. So I like this stupid purple shirt on. Somehow later in that day, Peter Chernin sees me, he's there and he's like, don't you ever wear that dumb ass shirt ever again? I'm like, oh, okay. But so I go into the meeting and I get in the elevator and this guy in this full suit is smoking a cigar. And we're going up in the elevator and he's a big old guy and he's like, uh, you know, I'm like, who's this guy? And these other guys in suits. And so they're like walking with me and we're all walking. I'm like, no, they're all going in the same place as me. So Gail offers us in that meeting. 3.7 million dollars. I'm like, yeah, deal, deal, deal, fucking deal. And they're like, no, then we're uh, uh, like, we're gonna go see some, uh, we're going to ABC, dah dah.

• 32:32Speaker 01

  I'm like, who the fuck are you? Like, no, deal. And so they jacked me and they like, if I hadn't called David, I would have had so much more creative control, but I was 20. And so then I find out, like, you know, I get a lawyer and they're like, yeah, they're saying you're not the executive producer. I'm like, I'm like, that sounds like I, it sounds like I am that. And they're like, yeah, they're saying you're not. So I call P U. I'm like, they're saying I'm not. And he's like, makes a call and then now I'm executive producer. I was the youngest executive producer of a, a network television show to this day in history. And, uh, they tried to fight that. And so then they make the show. And at this point, on my first day of filming a Fox show, keep in mind, this is when Fox was peak Fox.

• 33:15Speaker 01

  We are getting launched with the reboot of Family Guy on Sunday nights before The Simpsons. Our sponsor is Coca-Cola, uh, McDonald's that were like getting ads and they're like, I am gonna be a millionaire, like in a month. I have my walkie talkie that says executive producer, day one, I'm behind camera, they're filming. And then everyone's like, Spencer, you need to go in and like, do what you're doing. Cause in it, everyone's always talking shit to me.

• 33:38Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 33:39Speaker 01

  Like in the sizzle and everything, cause I'm like the like crutch, the, the bad, like the guy that lives in the guest house, energy. The Kato Kalen vibe, right? So I'm like, nah, I got my walkie talkie, like you'll get to keep your walkie talkie. I'm like, okay. So I didn't realize I like, it was like the matrix pill, like I, that was when I sabotaged my entire life of being taken seriously, crossing in front of that camera. I was like, oh yeah, I get my walkie talkie still. I got my title, but I didn't get, that was the end of like, anyone ever being like respecting you in this business.

• 34:13Alex Cooper?

  But which is crazy to hear too, for you Spencer, because by you. They clearly were like, wait, we're filming this shit? And we're not getting the same thing that Spencer came with his DVD because it was you. Brody was so comfortable with you being like Spencer, get the fuck out of my face. And like David Foster's like Spencer, like everyone knew you. So they were giving you that content. They're not going to do it as easily in front of these like random, um, like guys with cameras. So they needed you to get back in there, but that sucks that then your credit basically got taken as in terms of a producer.

• 34:45Speaker 01

  So I look still this whole time, not getting that nobody else was going to think this. Well, looked at myself as an on camera producer. I was just filming, doing the story bites, da, da, da, da. So that night, Linda has a talk with us, our first night of filming and she's like, I caught David cheating on me in the studio. And I'm, I'm like, well, uh, so, uh, you know, like, what are we doing here?

• 35:13Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 35:13Speaker 01

  And so like, we pretty much just like beg her to like, just pause this, you know, and she's like, get. I now appreciate it more, but at the time, I like, I was so deep in like, this is our like, like, who cares? Like, let's roll. Like you, let's launch like, and so she gangstered up and was like, I'll do. And I didn't really understand what she meant. Like, I'll do the filming, but I didn't get. So then let's fast forward the night the show premieres. She's like, I informed Fox that I'm filing for divorce tomorrow morning. And I'm like, what, what do you know? You know, nowadays that ratings up, people love that dark thing. This is a family friendly Sunday. I get my third call from the chairman of news. He's like Spencer, what the F?

• 35:55Speaker 01

  We bought a family friendly show for Sunday nights. I'm pulling the plug. After next week's episode is done. So we get the one, you know, rated well for the summer. We get one more. And I just lost and I spent all my money that my first check on my BMW that now I like, didn't have money for gas, you know? Figured it was speaking like, cause I was like game on, you know, we're going to be so rich.

• 36:17Alex Cooper?

  Damn, that's wild. That like day one of filming, she like.

• 36:20Speaker 01

  Oh, so that just set.

• 36:21Alex Cooper?

  Caught him cheating and you're like, wait, no, we need one, this house to film in.

• 36:24Speaker 01

  Everything.

• 36:25Alex Cooper?

  Two, we need the family together. And then the rest of the season, they just like, you try, she tried to fake it for you.

• 36:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, she did. And she's, she's a real good actor and.

• 36:33Alex Cooper?

  Damn.

• 36:34Speaker 01

  So I get that call. I'm like, oh my God, I have to go back to college. You know, like, so now I'm back in college.

• 36:42Alex Cooper?

  Brody Jenner had step siblings at the time. When do you remember meeting Kim Kardashian for the first time? And what was she like back then?

• 36:54Speaker 01

  Alright, so I just shout out Esquire magazine for profiling me and the big, I thought this was gonna be like positive, but since I said I should be Kim Kardashian, people like got all weirded out about that, but it's, I feel that, you know, so I'm just gonna defend myself. So now we're at the first night of The Princess of Malibu, our Fox show. I didn't even know he had stepsisters. I wasn't even aware. Maybe I met them that night. Like, totally irrelevant. A week later, you know, this has been denied, but Brody's the witness and I don't know if he'll, maybe he'll say it, but it's true. We get a call from Kris Jenner, who I don't know, and he puts her on speaker.

• 37:34Speaker 01

  And she's like, "We should do what you're doing in Malibu with our family in the valley with your dad, Brody." And, and he hangs up and I'm like, "The valley?" You know, cause like when I grew up, like you did not, this isn't me saying this, this is what I grew up knowing. There was nobody filming anything in the valley except pornos, you know, like that was what the, I, you know, that's where they shot.

• 37:57Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, people used to shit on the valley.

• 37:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, now, give me one of those 80 million dollar valley houses, I guess. It's still, you need good AC, you know? But, so we laughed, ha ha. And I've thought about it a million times. Was that the call that like sabotaged my whole life that I didn't take? But then I really thought about it a million times. They went to then to Ryan Seacrest, who had a first look deal with E. They had to make a show per his contract. And they went to him and he had the power of not only E! News, Kiss FM was popping, he just got American Idol. Like that's a solid, I don't think if Brody and I had gone with cameras, shot the Kardashians,

• 38:40Speaker 01

  it would have been what the Kardashians, like, everything came perfect for what their magical portal happened. So I've thought about it a trillion times, but I've met her for real, for real. In the club, I remember Aria, you know, she was wearing like an Irve Ledger silver purplish dress, you know, and she, Kim looked like a superstar and was famous, like she deserves day one jump. She was famous at this point energetically. She knew who she was gonna be. So she had that aura. And like, you know, I was joking with Kim and, you know, we were all having fun. She was totally cool. But that, I remember meeting him and like her at the club and like, you know, then she later filmed on the Hills and organized Heidi's Closet and they didn't use the footage.

• 39:25Speaker 01

  And I once said this in an interview and her publicist was like, this is absolute lie, da, da, da, da. And then MTV pulled out the clip, then one time they ever backed me with receipts and like showed unedited Kim. Like every now and then somebody tags me in a tweet of her like tweeting at me like, you be Heidi and Reggie need to go on a double date. And I'm like, how was I so popping in my head that I'm not like following through with this double? I did follow through when Miley Cyrus tweeted us and we went and double dated with her and that. So I wasn't too insane, but if I had done everything different and if I was like super, like for how thirsty I am, like what I should have done is been friends with everybody. That's what Kim is, was so good at. And I'm not that type of person.

• 40:10Speaker 01

  Like I don't wanna go have fake lunches and fake drinks. And what if I had played the game like a pro? I would have gone to drinks all the time with people that hated me and I hated them back. And we'd just all be fake. But it's like, that's the problem with being a real person, which is good for reality TV, but like not for networking and building these. Cause people will message me like, oh, we should do this. And you can reach out to like your celebrity friend. Like my what friends? Like I got my friends from preschool and they don't even want me to name drop that I know them, you know? So.

• 40:42Alex Cooper?

  No, I, I appreciate that. Cause I think that a lot of people don't know about the Princess of Malibu. Like if you're on TikTok, sorry, but people may not know about it. And I think that it was interesting when you look back at your history that you started this like, basically little reality show following Brody around and Kim is just like,

• 41:02Alex Cooper?

  There in a scene and you're like, whoa, like this was the beginning and then I I believe you that Chris called because it's like you guys were doing it before the Kardashians started it.

• 41:12Speaker 01

  No, and uh, at the time Bruce not wasn't Caitlyn, so at the time Bruce was filming for princes. So Chris is they didn't use any of the footage, but like he would come film.

• 41:23Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 41:23Speaker 01

  And he'd be on it. So he's going back home and tell like, this is crazy, duh, duh, duh, duh.

• 41:28Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 41:29Speaker 01

  And you know, at the same time, The Simple Life's popping. So Kim's knowing about reality TV through uh, through Paris.

• 41:36Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, that's when reality TV really started to pop off was like slowly, like The Simple Life. And then obviously though, the biggest I think was when The Hills popped off. And that was when it was like, holy shit, this is reality TV.

• 41:51Speaker 01

  And because that's how I got to The Hills.

• 41:52Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 41:53Speaker 01

  Uh, this is gonna be a, this is gonna be a two-part Call Daddy podcast. Uh, so.

• 41:58Alex Cooper?

  Spencer's trying to milk this shit. Come on Spencer.

• 42:00Speaker 01

  Come on, we're gonna have merch, get your merch, call daddy.com. So, um, so wait, so yeah.

• 42:06Alex Cooper?

  Go back to college.

• 42:07Speaker 01

  So go back to college. And then one day I'm back from class, whatever. And my mom's best friend Lucy, they're in there watching this show and my mom's friends, Lucy's like, you should date this girl. She's so cute. I'm like, what is this? And they're, they're watching it. She's like, date this girl. She's so cute. And it's Heidi. And I'm like, what is this show? Like, how is this even a show? This is season one. I'm like, this is the dumbest thing I've ever seen in my life.

• 42:27Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 42:27Speaker 01

  And I'm like, this on TV? Like, yeah, it's so cute. And I see one of the names of the executive producers was a guy that Brody and I literally hired. Like, we had a meeting, we hired, so I have his cell phone number. I call him. I'm like, Motherfucker, you have a new show and you didn't put Brody on? And he's like, Spencer, no, it's a set cast of this girl from Laguna Beach. Like, it's not like that. I'm like, oh no, it's like that. We'll see you in the club. Like, I don't think so. That's our show. You got like Hollywood, like in this one, Brody was like running the clubs and like, so all this fact, no girl from Laguna Beach is doing a Hollywood show. I'm like, they have a Hollywood show and you're so.

• 43:07Alex Cooper?

  Not including us, like, yeah.

• 43:09Speaker 01

  So we're out. It's uh, this club was called Priv. Just in Timberlake was just popping with Sexy Can I, I think. I remember just like hitting so hard in the in the frickin' club and so. This is when I was very into dancing, you know, this was people danced back then, people weren't too cool to dance. We wanted to stand around like it was like dancing time. So I was dancing and then Kristen was at the bar with Heidi and Heidi just done season one. I didn't know what even that meant. Nobody Hills was not popping. So Heidi and I clear the dance floor. We're having a great time dancing, hit it off. We all drive back to Brody's house in Malibu. So she ends up spending the night. We, you know, she says it's love at first sight. I guess now in retrospect it was.

• 43:54Speaker 01

  But, you know, I had, you know, player ego clout fame vibes. So I was like. And then she tells, you know, we're seeing each other, but she is seeing, you know, she's not exclusive either to me. When I met Heidi, she was writing a book, had chapters, how to outplay the player. She had game galore. She was not this like innocent victim like, oh my God, Spencer's talking to those playmates. Like she was talking to old dude over here and old dude here and like she had two, like she had an A-list athlete and an A-list actor. She was dating when I was supposedly looking like the bad guy.

• 44:32Speaker 01

  So if they'd showed real Heidi and not this like bootleg, you know, just making girls look like this like. Like that was where you got to see like, like an awesome girl that I would fall in love with. Who like show a girl a game that like, yeah, like this is why I liked her. She's like, she was no victim. I wasn't. Playing her. It was like battle. We were at like a master chess dating and so that's.

• 44:59Alex Cooper?

  Can you tell us who she was dating?

• 45:01Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, she was dating Chase Crawford, who was like the it, like hot guy, you know, peak, you know.

• 45:08Alex Cooper?

  A gossip girl.

• 45:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, like couldn't be cooler. So she wasn't like, oh, poor Spencer, like.

• 45:14Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 45:14Speaker 01

  There was not that.

• 45:15Alex Cooper?

  I love hearing you say that though, because I always felt that vibe from Heidi, but they always. This is like damsel in distress, like Jordan's being mad mean to me. And then she meets you and it's like Spencer's being mean to me. I'm like, that's not the vibe I get from Heidi.

• 45:30Speaker 01

  So the problem with Heidi and I, we love making TV shows and doing what the producer's saying. Here's the problem with The Hills. All male producers, East Coast waspy fricking dudes that they're now in charge of representing young women in Hollywood. And they're putting their toxic, male, weird narrative spins that they, that's not facts and it's not real life. Cause I don't even think any of these guys date, you know, like they don't know, maybe they saw it in a movie or something.

• 46:00Alex Cooper?

  They can't fathom a woman like spitting game on a guy and like change your number. Like fuck you.

• 46:04Speaker 01

  Way better show too. It's like real Heidi was, I always say this, people to this day, like, oh, how are you still, it's like, cause you don't know real Heidi. Like you guys are all like, it's like.

• 46:16Alex Cooper?

  Keeping you on your toes.

• 46:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. Like I'm, they're not showing me begging her to be boyfriend, girlfriend, you know, like she's like, I don't want that title. Like, you know, like.

• 46:25Alex Cooper?

  She was more, yeah. Yeah. She had game.

• 46:27Speaker 01

  She was a gangster, like, you know.

• 46:29Alex Cooper?

  So now knowing, that's actually a really great story that it goes all the way back to your mom looking at the TV and being like, oh, you should date this girl. And then you guys actually meet and you immediately have a vibe. What was your first impression of Lauren Conrad when you met her?

• 46:58Alex Cooper?

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• 49:10Alex Cooper?

  Again, that's ziprecruiter.com/daddy. What was your first impression of Lauren Conrad when you met her?

• 49:18Speaker 01

  All right, so let's do a disclaimer here for, you know, LC stands. Because they're always like, oh my god, he still has to talk about LC. It's like, no, no. I was connected to a television franchise and this is a co-star that is part of my fame, people. I would love to have never talked to her about her the rest of my life, but I am a great guest and I am honest and truthful. So there you go. So that's for the comment section. So I, I mean, nice, nice girl. Like I, we, we, it was all good to the point where I talked Brody in to breaking up with Nicole Richie to fake double date with LC.

• 49:57Speaker 01

  So like, that's the level of how I felt about it. Like, let me help make your life better by bringing the best looking guy in Hollywood right now, who all the girls want to date. I'll get him to break up with his celebrity, you know, superstar girlfriend. I will get him to come on your show, pretend to be your, you know, interest to just, everyone wins. You know, so like, I was, I'm a teammate. I come from being on a team sport. I didn't play tennis. I didn't play golf. Like, the team wins. That's how I've always thought. So I was like, let's all win. We'll double gate. And I was already in the, you know, game from like, working with the paparazzi for Princess of Malibu and setting up our shoots.

• 50:37Speaker 01

  And so like, I was like, you know, our first double date, I had us coming out of the Grove, you know, all due respect to LC, she'd never been in a tabloid until I unlocked that for her and gave her the, you know, as a teammate, not, you know, I don't want credit. I, I wanted us all to win. So at our paparazzi, this is pre, the entire world now does this. This was, this was vintage genius, uh, where you work with them instead of like hiding from them. Cause this one tabloids sold like albums, like you could Drake, you know, one week, three million sales on us week. Like this was superpowers that I knew, understood. And I just watched the season two episode.

• 51:17Speaker 01

  LC knew because if you look at her on the couch, she has every tabloid in her lap. That's what she's reading. So don't be mad at me, girl. So we come out of our double date. And I'm like, make sure you guys look to the left, you know, this is off camera, just I'm really trying to like get us all to hang out of friends. Cause now Heidi and I are seeing each other, not boyfriend, girlfriend. And she's like, what is, and I'm like, it's our camera. She's like, you called the paparazzi. I'm like, yeah, to get you into Mac. So that was, I was like, oh, you're not all there, you know, like, don't have a full deck running here as you're trying to be on your second television show. Like, it's not like, I'm all for people who don't want to be famous, but like you're on a second show, like you spun off. Like I get like it fell into your lap in high school and it came to you and you auditioned, but now you've spun off.

• 52:01Speaker 01

  You've, you are choosing the path of fame. So now I'm like, so she from the jump kind of was weirded out like, oh, Spencer's, like, that's why she'll say things like, I don't trust him. It's like, you didn't understand, like I was ahead of this game. Like, I already saw how this worked on a way bigger scale. Cause I'm not from Laguna Beach, you know, like, I'm from here and watching Paris, watching how Nicole, like Nicole's an actual, you know, we ended up having a falling out or whatever. Miss, I was misquoted, I think. But she's a genius. So like, she's a fame genius. So I studied under, you know, I'll call her a mentor in the, in the fame game. So I, she just, oh, she's, she,

• 52:44Speaker 01

  she knows the game. That's why Paris called her smartest friend to be her teammate. She didn't call Kim. You know, like, hey, you wanna, you know, but so, uh, back to like, you know, everything, we were best friends. She's like, you want to meet my dad, dah dah. But eventually, the Brody couldn't play pretend anymore. Yeah. I wasn't saying fake date LC, that wasn't the initiative. Like I was like, this would be great. Like Heidi's cool. They're roommates. Like I was hoping it worked out. It didn't work out from night one, you know, like, so once she was on to that, she wanted her amazing wingman, which I under wingwoman totally get Heidi to not be with me. So her selfish motivations, she can put it on all these reasons of like, oh, I don't trust him or look at, she knew Heidi.

• 53:28Speaker 01

  Like she knew Heidi's game. She knew about this and we know her, these girls were not victims. Okay. They had their own. Television show, they were in the, right in the heart of Hollywood, they're going out every night, getting tables. These aren't these like pilgrims that like, were like, oh, these poor little innocent.

• 53:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, these girls are savvy and I didn't get raised on being on television while I was sixteen, seventeen, like. You're a veteran at this point, like, yeah, I understood the backside of like tabloids and media. But when it came to making a TV show and like murking out people and like. You know, what comments say this, like, this is a, is a black belt level.

• 54:10Alex Cooper?

  Yeah. With regard to your relationship with Heidi, how did you guys separate? Reality from reality TV to keep your relationship healthy?

• 54:21Speaker 01

  Thank God, the show was so fake that it was, you know, every time, now and then. Heidi would get a little too drunk, like, like one time in area, like she knew, I told her, like, we're gonna call these playmates. I'm gonna bring these girls and she knew and she's like, I'll meet you there and then drunk Heidi's like asshole and like. You know, like, and she really got all up in her feelings, you know, I was, you know, cause she was like, I don't even want the, you know, but. That's the problem when you even play reality, like, there's times where, you know. It affects you in real life. So thankfully it was so fake that all the fighting and everything was so. Like planned and rehearsed and scripted that it didn't.

• 55:00Speaker 01

  And then the other thing is we lived in my parents' house in the Palisades, like in my high school room, like, so we leave Hollywood and just go have our simple. You know, life and, you know, we weren't up in the scene like it looks, so. Like, we never lived in that apartment that we filmed in or that house we filmed in, so I imagine it would have been harder. If we were immersed in that world and these were our real friends and our real relationship, but.

• 55:25Alex Cooper?

  You guys really took a turn to be like the most hated couple in the world and Heidi got all the surgery. Did you ever try to convince Heidi not to get surgery?

• 55:38Speaker 01

  No. One thing I never tried to do ever with Heidi and what people don't understand is like Heidi's the boss, like I work for Heidi to this day, like. That's this whole like.

• 55:48Speaker 01

  You know, like, that's people who really know the inner workings of our relationship, like, like, excuse my French, like, I'm the pussy whip, like, you know, like, it's not like, oh, Heidi, I think you should do is like, Heidi came from a little town in Crested View with dreams of being a star, like, she, Yeah. like, so, no, I never told Heidi what to do, because I've just, I'm, I was, I was just filming her, she was like, put the camera on me, cameraman, like, you know, if you watch the footage, like, I'm just her cameraman, I said to her yesterday, I'm like, I'm literally your cameraman. So, Yeah. also, let's rewind to surgery, because it's in tears. First time she even got the idea of getting surgery was Us Weekly approached her and was like, hey, we have this top plastic surgeon,

• 56:33Speaker 01

  wasn't even in her head, you know, that wants to do, you know, we'll give you a nose job and implants, and Heidi's like, and they're like, this would cost fifty thousand, whatever, and Heidi's a hustler, and she's like, fifty thousand for free, and this Us Weekly's coming to me, Right. I'm not gonna say his name, Ken, came to her, um, and so, you know, Fuck you, Ken. you know, and she'd grown up getting made fun of about her nose her whole life, you look, this was early day comment section, every single comment, I'm always like, don't read that, it's just saying she has a Jay Leno chin, and so she's now in her head of all these things, that's early, you know, comment section, so then she has this meeting with this top, you know, rest in peace, Dr. Frank Ryan, he's dead,

• 57:13Speaker 01

  but she has a meeting with him, and he, she's showing, he's showing her all the A-list superstars, all the things he's done, but, you know, sign, top secret, they're not telling anyone, it's just, she's realizing this is the game. So she does the nose job, boobs, it's not the end of the world, people don't, you know, people, she didn't have to tell the truth also, like, Yeah. this time, I'm not gonna say other big pop people were literally, without a doubt, got nose jobs, got it, like, that was standard operating procedure, but Heidi was just honest, like, I'm gonna tell people this is what I did, which, you know, I'm like, I don't care, whatever, like, keep in mind, I've already dated Heidi for so long, in love, already felt like, this isn't like, oh, this is what you need to do now for us to

• 57:57Speaker 01

  Be like, we're already battling the world like this isn't gonna change our relationships. I'm like, I don't. Win, win. Like, I don't care. Either way, whatever. Do what you want to do to your body. I'm scared and I couldn't even, I can't even get shot. So, so way past my world of like knives and you know, so all good. The follow up, the one that people all freaked out on, I'll never forget. I even have it on video as she's going in. Cause she, when she was doing her Miss Universe, she got elbowed by one of the backup dancers and they hit her nose. And so she like, like it's like denim, they're gonna like pop it out, whatever. So she goes to have like that done.

• 58:35Speaker 01

  That morning, he's like, hmm, while you're under, we, you know, we could just little, and I hear the word minor so many times. It's like, it's so early in the morning when you drop these people off for surgery. It's like, I'm not even thinking. I hear minor. Sorry, just like, I don't, I hear, she's already got lip injections. I'd see minor like, oh, minor. And you hear the word injectable and this, it's everything's minor. And he just had this blue pen and he's just like, like, this is a lot of blue. Neither of us are thinking like, oh my God. He's like, this is, minor is the word we heard a million times. Cut to like the most traumatic. So, no, it was not like a, a positive time.

• 59:12Alex Cooper?

  That's also just so crazy to hear you talk about it too, because of like how manipulative and really scary. Like when you're young, you don't understand and these doctors should do a better job of explaining like the fact that they said minor to you. And you're like, it was in the morning. Also the fact that you're like, it was the day of and they're like, we can just do this. Like we'll scoop out your back. We'll pin back your ears. We'll.

• 59:35Speaker 01

  And he's saying the price of each thing. And like back to Heidi, who's like a banker. He's like, this is twenty five thou, I mean, it was like a quarter million dollars. When he like, he's like, and I'll cross. All this was like out of like a movie where you're like, you're like shopping for clothes and they add it all up. And he's like, boom, void, zero dollars. So it's like in her head and this business.

• 59:54Alex Cooper?

  It's like a business.

• 59:55Speaker 01

  Like, oh my God. He's giving me a quarter million to like make, and this is what, all I'm not gonna name stars, but this is what all they do, but they spread it out. Like, everything she did is like standard A-list. I'm not naming the women, but.

• 1:00:09Alex Cooper?

  But it's obvious.

• 1:00:10Speaker 01

  This is standard A-list women, but once a year, you know, you don't knock it all out. You don't drop it off at the body shop.

• 1:00:18Alex Cooper?

  What do you miss about being one of the most famous couples in the world at the time?

• 1:00:25Speaker 01

  Oh, just the money. Like, yeah, like, I would, if you asked me to never be famous or just be rich, I would have, I thought being famous was the easy way to get rich. Like, if I put the amount of energy as I put into being famous as just like doing like a normal rich person job, like a banker, like, I would be rich. So, uh, yeah, like, how the, he like, getting just paid by Coca-Cola to hold a Coke killer, he's $10,000, like, like, what? You know, so like, that level of like, no, people are like, why do you want to be famous? Like, because that, it's so hard, but it's so easy when you're like in the, when you're getting the checks. Like, at one time, we were making a million dollars a year selling our paparazzi photos, like, going and looking cheesy,

• 1:01:09Speaker 01

  you, you know, like, dressing up in dumb little, like, Easter bunny, like, it, so that part is hands down.

• 1:01:16Alex Cooper?

  That makes sense.

• 1:01:17Speaker 01

  So.

• 1:01:18Alex Cooper?

  People hated you more than people who murdered people. You were more hated than OJ Simpson at one point.

• 1:01:25Speaker 01

  And Casey Anthony.

• 1:01:26Alex Cooper?

  Yep. How did that make you feel at the time?

• 1:01:29Speaker 01

  Well, at the time, it was a victory because David Foster had put me into the game by, he knew Simon Cowell. I didn't watch American Idol. And he was like, Spence, once the Fox started going, he's like, you need to be the young Simon Cowell. I was like, who? Like, and he's like, the, like, the hated guy, the villain, the like, you know, I was like, gotcha, like, it sounds, sounds easy, coach. Put me in. So I, there was no social media. I was so naive to think, and I thought everybody knew Hollywood was just lights, camera, action, fake as could be. I didn't understand middle America. This was Bible, you know, like, this was, you know,

• 1:02:08Speaker 01

  the Holy Spirit over here. And I'm over here just trying to get ratings bonuses. Like, if we ever got to five million, I got a million dollar check just that day. So no matter what I'm reading, I'm over here like chasing a million dollar one, like, and we're like at 4.2, 4.5, I'm like, oh, what could I do to get to that million dollars to do what I'm already doing that night? So my mindset at that point, at one time, I had like, hate Spencer Pratt dot com. where like you could go and like comment like I hate like I thought it was so fun and like ridiculous until you know, I started driving around and like everyone was just flicking me off out windows. It was like, oh my god. Like, who's watching this show? Like chill. Like, I thought this was like a fun, like, party show.

• 1:02:54Speaker 01

  Isn't the news on? Like, aren't we in Iraq? Like, isn't there a war? Like, I just never understood. Cause I came from like Play Pretend with the princes and everything. And I just thought, you know, so, no.

• 1:03:08Alex Cooper?

  You understood what you were doing. And then when people didn't and they thought it was real, you were like, wait, guys.

• 1:03:16Speaker 01

  And like Brody will say to anybody else, like Spencer planned every single, like he's a witness to like the pre. Like the the blueprint, like I executed it too well, you know, and here's how they got me. And this is how the predatory producer, you know, and me being naive and Heidi just hit me with this and I was like, oh my god, I'm so triggered by that quote. They were always saying, um, we're gonna, uh, this is your redemption arc. We're gonna redeem. So I'm always chasing like you do this and then we're gonna, so I'm like, I like this. It's like, I should have been like, watch Batman. I'm like, there's no way the Joker is getting redeemed like part three, you know, like, like, I just, I just like, oh yeah, that sounds great.

• 1:04:00Speaker 01

  You're gonna redeem me? Yeah, what, season four? Like, woo, so like, I I fell for that just con, which. You know, that's the problem when you're twenty three and you do think you're smarter than everybody, which I obviously was not. That I just got, you know, I thought I was in with everybody and I'm working with this producer that I already made the show with, but it's like. Oh no, they were sailing me off the waterfall like Niagara. And, you know, I didn't care because they're also blood money paying, you know, we're the highest paid people on television at this time. So I'm, I'm going, I had a million dollar suit collection. I didn't even wear suits. And then I gave them all to my friend who was a real estate agent, shout out Mikey P. And, you know, so like. I like, cause I was like, what do you do with lost money? Buy a suit? Say it's a ritual.

• 1:04:45Alex Cooper?

  Save it.

• 1:04:46Speaker 01

  No, oh, no, no. Buy gold. That's what I would say. That's the one thing I did. I was smart at one time. I bought like all this gold. So I carried a backpack around with like half a million in gold coins, just like, because you can't spend gold. You know, like it takes.

• 1:05:01Alex Cooper?

  It would keep you in line. What about a business manager?

• 1:05:04Speaker 01

  We had them. Problem with business managers, let me tell you.

• 1:05:06Alex Cooper?

  They take your money?

• 1:05:07Speaker 01

  Not only do they take, they take 5% of all the money you spend because they have to like do the math for it. Oh, so be careful with a business manager because they love you spending money. It's their favorite.

• 1:05:17Alex Cooper?

  Gold was your friend. You're like, I can't spend this.

• 1:05:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, I should have bought more of it.

• 1:05:21Alex Cooper?

  Right, right, right. Okay, Spencer, you created the concept. I am now convinced. I look back and I'm like, there was Simple Life. Um, there was like, uh, Newlyweds with Jessica Simpson and Nick Lachey, like early, early days, but you created the reality show villain.

• 1:05:37Speaker 01

  Oh, I'll take that 1,000%.

• 1:05:40Alex Cooper?

  Right?

• 1:05:40Speaker 01

  Like million true.

• 1:05:41Alex Cooper?

  Yes.

• 1:05:41Speaker 01

  Uh, give me my one credit here. I'm gonna add that to my Wikipedia.

• 1:05:46Alex Cooper?

  The originator of the reality star villain.

• 1:05:48Speaker 01

  And it was fun until you realize like there's no getting out. So as I look back, they were Frankenbiting is which I learned later is where they're just taking audio and putting it there and putting you at an event you're not at, saying you did this. Like I was just watching this episode where Lauren comes in, like that Heidi stood her up and there's a note from Heidi. Anyone that knows Heidi, her handwriting looks like Egyptian hieroglyphs. Like she doesn't know what she's writing. I don't know if she can even write like. And so this cute little note like, sorry, Lauren, LC, like I can't hang out, like went to the movies to censor, love you. Like perfect calligraphy, like Heidi never wrote that note. They never told her she was standing up.

• 1:06:30Speaker 01

  LC, it's like these simple things like murk you out and Lauren's playing her along. She knows Heidi didn't write that note. And coming in like Heidi, Heidi, knowing like you were just in your apartment. They just mic'd you up like do like good for you, like like fricking Blake Lively over there.

• 1:07:00Alex Cooper?

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• 1:07:43Alex Cooper?

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• 1:10:29Alex Cooper?

  process is that reality TV uses to make something look like a conversation happened and it really was a complete different conversation that happened. Do you know what I mean? So who is someone that you really dislike? Like someone that pisses you off and can get you like riled up?

• 1:10:47Speaker 01

  You can be Adam Davila.

• 1:10:48Alex Cooper?

  Okay, I'm Adam Davila. Okay, and I'm going to, we're about, we're in a fight. We are in a fight right now. I'm Adam, you're Spencer, and I'm talking so much shit to you. This is what's gonna happen is the point is, is I'm gonna, it's like I'm a producer being like, you're pissed at Adam, what would you say to Adam? And it's like, fuck you. And then you walk out of the interview. What I'm gonna do is at the beginning of this episode, it's gonna be a cold open and I'm gonna dub in a different question of me being like, Spencer, you're irrelevant. How do you feel? And you're gonna be looking at me when really everyone right now will see what that original thing was. I'm talking about Adam Davila, but we're gonna cut it and make it look like you were shitting on me and you walk out of the colored daddy interview.

• 1:11:31Speaker 01

  Oh my gosh.

• 1:11:32Alex Cooper?

  You ready?

• 1:11:32Speaker 01

  It's so scary. Well, give me a few minutes.

• 1:11:34Alex Cooper?

  Okay, so this is to tell you how I'm envisioning it.

• 1:11:37Speaker 01

  No, I see the vision, but I'm just like trying to think about what I would actually say that could come off believable.

• 1:11:43Alex Cooper?

  Like fuck you.

• 1:11:46Speaker 01

  You're a fucking predatory person. Ooh, that's pretty good.

• 1:11:50Alex Cooper?

  Oh my god, that's better than anything we had. That's way stronger than a fuck you. Do you have a notes app of what you want to say to Villo?

• 1:12:02Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, I do.

• 1:12:07Speaker 01

  You need to drink some of your.

• 1:12:08Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 1:12:08Speaker 01

  Your flat champagne.

• 1:12:09Alex Cooper?

  We're gonna need to get, we can do it twice. Like, we just want to get the best, and again, what is happening right here is gonna go in the episode, just so you know, you're not getting fucked over, like, we're gonna show this.

• 1:12:18Speaker 01

  You know, as long as this goes on Spotify.

• 1:12:20Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:22Speaker 01

  I don't care what you show.

• 1:12:23Alex Cooper?

  Power of edit, baby.

• 1:12:25Speaker 01

  Uh.

• 1:12:26Alex Cooper?

  I liked that first line you said.

• 1:12:28Speaker 01

  Yes, but it would, it's not dramatic enough.

• 1:12:32Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 1:12:34Speaker 01

  Cause, I mean, you are a predatory person.

• 1:12:41Alex Cooper?

  I can't even take it seriously. Okay, here we go. I think it would be dramatic if you get up and walk out.

• 1:12:47Speaker 01

  I'm gonna definitely, I'm just.

• 1:12:49Alex Cooper?

  Okay, you're practicing, you're practicing.

• 1:12:55Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah?

• 1:12:58Speaker 01

  Fuck you, fuck this interview, stupid podcast, fuck this shit's over here.

• 1:13:09Alex Cooper?

  What the fuck?

• 1:13:11Alex Cooper?

  That was good.

• 1:13:13Alex Cooper?

  Spencer!

• 1:13:14Speaker 01

  The low key.

• 1:13:15Alex Cooper?

  Spencer! Dude, that was good, that was good!

• 1:13:19Speaker 01

  It has to be more low key, otherwise.

• 1:13:20Alex Cooper?

  I agree, I agree. No, I think that was pretty good, because you said fuck you, fuck this. I'm gonna do one more, and I'm gonna keep all this in of like, guys, this is, this is, I'm like poking him. I'm Adam Deville, I'm like, you are.

• 1:13:31Speaker 01

  See, that's the thing, you wouldn't even, that's what's so crazy about reality TV, Adam Deville wouldn't be here. They send these fu, they call, like, for The Hills, it was called, she was called The Collector. That's how shady this shit is, to collect the fucking.

• 1:13:43Alex Cooper?

  And she would just get shit out of you?

• 1:13:45Speaker 01

  No, she would come and like, she fake jerked off and bust it a nut on my face. To pump like to like and it worked and I like went nuts.

• 1:13:55Alex Cooper?

  Okay, so let's like channel that annoyance.

• 1:13:58Speaker 01

  Who, let me call Heidi, who do I dislike?

• 1:14:04Speaker 01

  Hi honey, who do I, who do I really dislike that I could channel just like lots of anger for a fake scene? Here, I feel like I don't talk to enough people to hate anybody anymore.

• 1:14:16Speaker 02

  I saw who ate your car.

• 1:14:19Speaker 01

  Oh, thank you honey, I knew you would know.

• 1:14:22Alex Cooper?

  Love you honey, bye.

• 1:14:27Speaker 01

  You're welcome, here, I'll put you on the mic, there you go, you're good, you're good, love you.

• 1:14:33Speaker 01

  Prattaddy.com, Prattaddy.com, love you, stream superficial.

• 1:14:40Speaker 01

  Oh, lots of people did, but one, one I have to see.

• 1:14:44Alex Cooper?

  Pretend I'm him, you're a fucking loser.

• 1:14:46Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, huh huh huh.

• 1:14:50Speaker 01

  This is the biggest fucking waste of time, I can't even believe Spotify gave you a fucking show. I bet this doesn't even last another fucking year, why don't you just delete this whole fucking episode? Good luck with your little imaginary boyfriend you never show on fucking IG straight. Fuck you, Alex, fucking, fuck you.

• 1:15:18Alex Cooper?

  Spencer, Spencer, Merrill Street. No, that was good.

• 1:15:23Speaker 01

  What I've learned is like, the more exaggerated, the faker it looks now, because now everyone is so exaggerated on all these shows, so you gotta like.

• 1:15:31Alex Cooper?

  Well, in post-edit, and that's the beauty, again, I'll share with everyone watching, is like, we'll look back and see which one looks more real, maybe the first one looks more real because it was less tryhard.

• 1:15:40Speaker 01

  I may even, you know, the Holy Spirit, I may give you a third just out of nowhere, so, you know, third, you know, you have to do these 12 times, that's like that video I sent you.

• 1:15:48Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:15:48Speaker 01

  And I rewatched it, like this supposedly where I'm bullying Heidi into like moving in with me to like, I would never move into Carson Avenue, like, I'm not bullying anyone to like live across from fucking Boa or Boca. What it's a, I don't even.

• 1:16:02Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:16:02Speaker 01

  Like a liquor store. I, so, no, I was not, but this big scene, this was when it was a rap for me.

• 1:16:10Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 1:16:10Speaker 01

  Was when I, she's like, I don't think I want to move in with you, like doing her Meryl Streep level. And I'm like, then get out, my answer is get out of my car. We did that at least 12 times. They're like, floor the car more and they're shooting the exhaust pipes. She gets in the car right after. We go to Donna Antonio's, like, that's just a night, but like, boom, and here's how I'm even crazier. The song that they like put to it, like apologize.

• 1:16:34Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:34Speaker 01

  I gave them the OneRepublic song. It was like, this would be so good. Cause Heidi was like in talks to do a song with Ryan Tedder and he like played me that. I'm like, I'll get this on the hill. So then I even gave them the murder song.

• 1:16:46Alex Cooper?

  As we're kind of.

• 1:16:47Speaker 01

  We're not wrapping up.

• 1:16:49Alex Cooper?

  No, we're not. We're not. No, no, no, we're not. You're like, I'm not leaving. Thank you for playing along. That was a great promo. Is there a specific manufactured storyline you regret saying yes to?

• 1:16:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, this sex tape. I didn't think people like big deal. I thought it was like clout too, like.

• 1:17:04Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 1:17:04Speaker 01

  Kim just made so much off of hers. It wasn't a negative. She, there were not, no tape even ended up coming out. So like, I thought that, that's why I played along, called a fake producer. That wasn't on the phone with LC. It was me pretending to apologize to something I didn't do to a producer, like, yeah.

• 1:17:22Alex Cooper?

  To your knowledge, did Adam DeVillo ever abuse his power when producing the show and in what ways?

• 1:17:30Speaker 01

  You know, here's what's so funny. Like I was ready to go all in on Adam Hill, but I'm a mercenary. If they called me right now to be on Selling Sunset and I hate him more than anyone on earth, I'd be like, what's my fee? You know, like, so you can't even ask somebody who's like a mercenary about people because like, I should have known. His last name is Devil with an O. Like that's not a coincidence. And think, here's the other thing that I now have the benefit of perspective with.

• 1:17:57Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:57Speaker 01

  Like we've now been on two seasons of Celebrity Big Brother where you're locked up. You know, 50 plus days of producer. We did I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here, Marriage Bootcamp, Wife Swap, Famous Food. Like the list of shows of dealing with producers, not to mention all these pilots who shoot and like, there's nobody like that guy. So here's the problem with people like Adam and how they'll always win.

• 1:18:22Speaker 01

  They're male and he brings in his enablers and they're all like guarded. You know, I'm not saying this is like.

• 1:18:31Speaker 01

  They will always win because there's then me, the mercenary, because I know this is a demonic demon. And I was like, put me on Netflix. So all these people around Christine, they're not going to back her because they don't want to rock the ship. They don't want to, you know, they don't want Selling Sunset to end. So that's how me too, and this, these people are enabled because the people around them are like, ain't happening to me like you, because I'm one of his like, I'm sure the way he treated Whitney and LC and I'm just, God knows how, they probably love him because when things did come out and Heidi's story, whatever, guess who's the first one to be like, he's the best guy ever. Maybe to you, but that's not the truth. Like, that's your, like, you can't defend, you know, so.

• 1:19:16Alex Cooper?

  Totally. And I think it's fucked up because like you're saying, these men in these position of power insulate themselves with all these other men that are going to make him like almost impenetrable to any type of, any type of getting in trouble. And however, what you're saying also is because you're the mercenary, it's fucked up. Like, we saw Christine Quinn was one of the first people, which she's fortunate, she's got a lot of fucking money. She's got her own money and she's got her husband that has a fuck ton of money. And so when you're in a position where you need this person that's in a position of power and fucked up, but you need to make a living, you need money, you're kind of at the hands of their power. And so I hear what you're saying. You're like, I would take the Netflix show because

• 1:19:58Alex Cooper?

  that's what your career is, but you're not saying he's a good guy. I want to, because I, I've never talked about this to my listeners. So when Heidi was on Call Her Daddy last year, she brought up an incident where the producer from the hills was physical with her. After filming that episode, the MTV rep that repped Heidi called my team and said, "You need to take that out of the episode or you can't air it." I don't even know if Heidi knows this.

• 1:20:26Speaker 01

  She definitely doesn't know it.

• 1:20:27Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 1:20:28Speaker 01

  Shout out Joya and Jay and uh who else? I love you guys.

• 1:20:33Alex Cooper?

  Right, I don't even know.

• 1:20:34Speaker 01

  That's what's so shady because it's like they protect the net, like I love MTV, but it's like, that's Adam. She didn't say MTV. You can't like, that's the-

• 1:20:43Alex Cooper?

  So, my team gets this call and Daddy Gang listening, like you can go back and that interview, I, they said, "You have to take that part out or you can't air the episode." I thought it was coming from Heidi and I'm like, "Who am I to put someone's like abuse story out there if they don't want it out?" So I took it out of the episode. Fast forward, few weeks ago, Christine Quinn sits down with me and she talks about how Adam Davillo is the new producer, who is the original producer of The Hills and she mentions Heidi's name in the interview saying, "We both had really bad experiences with these producers." Immediately, I messaged Heidi. I go right to Heidi because I'm like, "I don't want to put your name in the episode if you're not comfortable with it. I know Christine doesn't want to speak

• 1:21:25Alex Cooper?

  for you. I want to make sure you're good with it." And Heidi was like, "Absolutely put it in there. It's the truth." To which, I then realized, "Oh my God." Last year, I fully got played. I was like, "Last year, that was not Heidi not wanting to put that in, but now that you're done with The Hills, can you explain what the fuck happened with that whole situation?"

• 1:21:48Speaker 01

  Again, I wasn't there. I was never allowed to be, that's why, that's why these predator type people like that, people that want the smoke, they won't have, like, I never interacted with Adam ever. Once he knew my level, you know, like, you don't play, like, I don't play. So, I never got to interact with Adam because it would have been on.

• 1:22:08Alex Cooper?

  Damn.

• 1:22:08Speaker 01

  So, I was banned from the shoot, the photo shoot that this happened. So what I did was send, shout out Kevin Carlson, her bodyguard, uh to go in my place because I, you know, I'm like, I'm not, I'm not allowed to go to her photo shoot. So-

• 1:22:23Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, that's weird.

• 1:22:24Speaker 01

  Again, you would need Heidi here, but from my- What I recall is she had one of those loose fitting, you know, I guess there was also a comment about her new boobs. You know, like, you know, because she just had, nobody had seen that, whatever. And she had one of those backs that like are open back where it's like pretty much like in the right angles like butt cheek. You know, like of a dress and I guess he like put his hand like ass cheek grab and the security to the point where he like chopped her. His hand off and was like checked him, you know, shout out Kevin, um, gangster. But he was there, this happened. So we had a witness. We like, he was, you know.

• 1:23:05Alex Cooper?

  It makes me really sad for Heidi that it took years, like everyone is believing Christine Quinn right now.

• 1:23:12Speaker 01

  Oh, I literally when this came out, I all again, I didn't watch something sunset because I hate this person so much. I don't care how good the show is, Adam, right? But when I saw this, I was like, this is an angel from heaven just came out and then she's in this outfit. I'm like, she is out of the, this is the matrix. This is literally Trinity coming to like, and it took what 12 years? Like you can go back on Google and she was like, this is not appropriate. Like you can't like, she felt to the point where she called me and I was like, what the? So I called and I left some psycho message, you know, like I'm, I hope he still has it.

• 1:23:45Alex Cooper?

  I hope he does.

• 1:23:46Speaker 01

  Here's how weird life is. And so when I went back to college to finally graduate in 2013. I'm in a Staples on Olympic and I go because I drink lots of water and fluids. I go to go pee in the Staples. And you know, I'm not a like a, I like to go in the stalls pee. I feel more protected, you know? So I opened the stall door. Guess whose face I look at?

• 1:24:12Alex Cooper?

  Adam.

• 1:24:12Speaker 01

  Adam DeVillo. I haven't seen this person since 2000. Maybe the first night of Hills filming. I've never even seen him since then. Open and, and he looks like I'm there to murder him, you know, because this is like some random staples in the men's room. In the stall, he's coming out and he's like, and it took me, I didn't like process like who is like, why is this?

• 1:24:33Alex Cooper?

  So out of context.

• 1:24:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, like what's happening? I just want to pee. Like you're blocking the urinal here, like toilet, get out of the way. And he's like, Spencer, what are you doing here? I'm like, Adam? Like, what are you doing? He's like, I'm going to the bathroom. I'm like, I'm like, I'm going to like, why are you in Staples? I'm like, buying books for college. Why are you here? He's like, because I work down the street and this is the better bathroom. I'm like, huh? So, you know, to this day, I think he doesn't believe I was buying staples and it was like, I can touch you if I want, I could get you anywhere type, like, like, just know anytime you're going to the bathroom, I could open the stall door and be there. Like, that's how I think God wanted me to have that last, like, don't ever feel too cozy on that toilet, because that

• 1:25:17Speaker 01

  door could open and it could be me. So, you know, like, it was a weird moment. But it's like, I didn't have, it had been three years, I was back in college, I didn't, I hadn't been, I'm now back in the game, trying to be famous again. So like, I'm mad again, but then I didn't like, really care, but he couldn't accept that, like, and I was so chill, and I was like, oh, what are you up to? Like, and he was like, what are you? And then Heidi comes like, why are you here? And she's like, I'm like, it was just such a good-

• 1:25:43Alex Cooper?

  He couldn't, he did not believe it could have been a coincidence.

• 1:25:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, no way.

• 1:25:46Alex Cooper?

  He's like, you are here to kill me, or stalking me.

• 1:25:49Speaker 01

  Trillion percent. Here's the weirdest part. So years before this, just to show you how demonic this project with the Hills was, we go out for a pitch with one of these evil producers, because again, we're mercenaries, and he's like, hey, I want to pitch you to Lifetime. We're like, okay, like, his right hand guy. So we go this pitch, and we're sitting there, and he's like, it's amazing, we can all tell him this Lifetime executive, that we can all sit here. I mean, at one time, we were trying to steal Heidi's soul, and like, Heidi just starts hysterically crying in real life, because she's like, so triggered by like, knowing that, like, she felt that. And it's like, the pitch went so side, was like, stealing her soul, like, what?

• 1:26:28Alex Cooper?

  Wait, Adam Davillo said that?

• 1:26:30Speaker 01

  No, no, his right hand-

• 1:26:30Alex Cooper?

  Oh, his right hand man?

• 1:26:32Speaker 01

  His, his teammate.

• 1:26:33Alex Cooper?

  Literally said, at one point, we were trying to steal Heidi's soul, now look where we are.

• 1:26:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, and we can all be together and like, pitch, this is so funny.

• 1:26:39Alex Cooper?

  And Heidi's like, that's why I felt that way for so many years, you fucking psychos.

• 1:26:44Alex Cooper?

  Okay, what is the wildest thing you've done to make a headline?

• 1:26:50Alex Cooper?

  Tell us.

• 1:26:50Speaker 01

  Oh, I mean, any headline you ever saw, I was behind and and so it's like, I actually, thanks to my mom, she's I have a, the biggest thing you've ever seen in your life of every cover, tabloid, everything I've ever been in. And the other day I pulled it out just to like, because I was gonna do TikToks on them, was like, every one was the most crazy stories. I'm like, made that up, made that up, made that up. One time, we made our entire house look like we were squatters. Not squatters, like, like, uh, what are those people that like, fill up a house with stuff?

• 1:27:27Alex Cooper?

  Oh, hoarders.

• 1:27:27Speaker 01

  Hoarders. We filled it up with hoarders and like, you know, like, just made it like piled up and like got a in touch magazine cover. Like Heidi and Spencer are in squalor, in touch cover. I think we got 25K. Shout out Dan Wakeford.

• 1:27:42Alex Cooper?

  What the fuck?

• 1:27:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, so I mean, like, that's like a petty one, but like, everything you could ever think of. We once did a deal for like a half a million just for four covers of Us Weekly. There's no, we didn't know what the covers were. It's like, let's make stuff up, you know? So I'd have to go through, but like, the weirdest thing that I didn't have to do with that I saw a headline recently. That Heidi called me, uh, the article said Heidi called me like chicken legs or something and Spencer was gonna get calf implants. So I was like, calf implants? Like, even if I had, I do have, like, I don't have a big calf, but like, I wouldn't, I hate needles. But like, that's the level calf. I was like, so I have so many of them.

• 1:28:24Alex Cooper?

  That is, you know, that's really cool that you have those like mementos.

• 1:28:29Speaker 01

  I want to frame them all. And Heidi's like, there's, they're not going on the wall. I'm like, this is art, honey. This is art.

• 1:28:35Alex Cooper?

  We'll put them next to our portraits in our homes of ourselves.

• 1:28:37Speaker 01

  We do have every cover framed.

• 1:28:39Alex Cooper?

  I think you guys should do that.

• 1:28:40Speaker 01

  Like, I want spreads framed, like, six pages is everyone, these are, that's a lot of BS that we had to make up.

• 1:28:47Alex Cooper?

  I love.

• 1:28:48Speaker 01

  So I should be in creative writing cuz he's like you be on and you just be, you know, I.

• 1:28:54Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, I don't think they will give you enough credit.

• 1:28:56Speaker 01

  I always complain about that. That's one of my, I'm chasing credit.

• 1:29:00Alex Cooper?

  I'm gonna give it to you right now. Like you went to USC, the whole backstory, I'm happy you told us of the Princess Malibu. Like knowing you went to Brazil, you were shooting.

• 1:29:09Speaker 01

  I will let you watch that.

• 1:29:11Alex Cooper?

  I wanna watch.

• 1:29:12Speaker 01

  You can watch. You, I will let you.

• 1:29:14Alex Cooper?

  And then I'll tell you what I think.

• 1:29:15Speaker 01

  No, I know. You're gonna be like, you could win an Oscar. It's the, it's insane. Like it's the work of art, like.

• 1:29:23Alex Cooper?

  Okay, Spencer, what are you insecure about?

• 1:29:28Speaker 01

  Not getting credit. You know, for like, for my level of like energy I put into success. You know, I don't, I don't, I don't get treated with any credibility, you know, so that's an insecurity in the sense that like. I've worked since two thousand four, nonstop on reality TV fame and, you know. And people are just like, oh, I hate a guy from the hills. That took work, fool.

• 1:29:58Alex Cooper?

  Like I was working.

• 1:30:00Speaker 01

  That's a job. Um, so you know, that's definitely an insecurity and, you know, thankfully being a dad. Created my new focus on just being like the best dad. So it's like, it's less selfish. So. No matter what, like I've now transitioned, like I'm kind of like a rap, you know, like whatever happens with. My career and like titles, like now I've already moved on to like, let me build. The best superstar child and great human. So like, that has been a great energy shift. What I, I wish, it's a hard balance cuz I learned so many lessons, but like, should I have had a kid sooner? Did I need to go through everything to be ready to be a parent? So, uh, but insecurities.

• 1:30:43Alex Cooper?

  I know. I think that's a great answer. Do you think being a dad has changed you a lot?

• 1:30:48Speaker 01

  It made me now thirsty again, cause I'm like, you know, like, let's get success and I've like, people are like, why are you still trying to be famous? Like, that is where I'm at. Like, I'm not going to go be a banker now. I can't go be Camilla and be a lawyer. Like, even though Kim's being a lawyer, like, I don't have that time for the baby bar. So like, I am gonna be a television star again, gonna get a show, I'm gonna produce, like, that's why I'm now back in the game.

• 1:31:15Alex Cooper?

  I think producing for you.

• 1:31:16Speaker 01

  Oh no, it's, it's going down.

• 1:31:18Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:18Speaker 01

  It's, the, the slate is strong. So, that's the only reason why, like, like, why do you want this? It's like, cause now it's time. Like, I had already, I was living in San Barbara at my parents' beach house, I was done. But now, cause I could live like that with just Heidi and eat tacos and be chill, but I wanna give my son and future family members, you know, cause Heidi doesn't wanna stop at one. So it's like, I wanna build, you know, solid, you know, cause I grew up with amazing life.

• 1:31:46Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:46Speaker 01

  It's too late to be a dentist.

• 1:31:48Alex Cooper?

  Spencer Pratt.

• 1:31:50Speaker 01

  I just wanna look to the camera and thank the daddy gang, um, oh my god, for all the daddy gang. Promo code daddy, and you get 20% off Pratt Daddy Crystals. You know, I usually go to 15, but since it's daddy gang, and I'm Pratt Daddy, that is funny. I was Pratt Daddy before you were, you know, you kinda hijacked the daddy gang, but I was like,

• 1:32:15Alex Cooper?

  I think I-

• 1:32:16Speaker 01

  And I used to literally claim as Snapchat year as Pratt Daddy, I'd be like, gang, gang, we out here, gang, gang.

• 1:32:22Alex Cooper?

  They never saw that.

• 1:32:23Speaker 01

  I know, you didn't, I know, you're too young.

• 1:32:25Alex Cooper?

  You can't hijack something you didn't know existed.

• 1:32:27Speaker 01

  No, energetically.

• 1:32:28Alex Cooper?

  I'm just kidding. Honestly, thank you so much for coming on.

• 1:32:30Speaker 01

  I'm not ending, I'm gonna-

• 1:32:31Alex Cooper?

  I'm leaving, alright, I'm leaving and Spencer's gonna keep talking.

• 1:32:35Speaker 01

  This is the real way the show ends.

• 1:32:36Alex Cooper?

  Thank you so much, gotta go, goodbye.

• 1:32:38Speaker 01

  So, clout, um, Spotify, Spotify Live After Room, I'm gonna like, be live after her show and doing my own live room.

• 1:32:46Alex Cooper?

  Goodbye Spencer. Thank you so much for calling on Call Her Daddy, I really do appreciate it.

• 1:32:50Speaker 01

  Alright, we'll just cut, I'm not gonna stand up.

• 1:32:54Alex Cooper?

  Dude, you were great, that was great.

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