Bonus Episode: Books They Don't Want You to Read and Books We Want Them to Write

This week in the After Party, Jake takes your calls on the Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame and wonders why some celebrity autobiographies are so hard to find. Plus, Jake looks at which major music stars have not yet written their autobiographies and wonders if they ever will. Next week, we're bringing you a story on Chris Cornell, lead vocalist of Soundgarden and Audioslave. We want to know: Which artists followup bands were bigger or as impactful as their breakthrough bands? Tell Jake at 617-906-6638, [email protected] mailto:[email protected], or on socials @disgracelandpod. For more great Disgraceland episodes, dive into our extensive archive, including such episodes as: Episode 12 - James Brown https://www.disgracelandpod.com/012/james-brown Episode 42 - Madonna https://www.disgracelandpod.com/042/madonna Episode 15 - Motley Crue https://www.disgracelandpod.com/015/motley-crue Episode 23 - Rick James https://www.disgracelandpod.com/023/rick-james To hear an extended version of the After Party and unlock access to a monthly exclusive episode and ad free listening, become a Disgraceland All Access member at disgracelandpod.com/membership. https://disgracelandpod.com/membership. This month's episode (coming next week!) will be on the Allman Brothers Band. Visit www.disgracelandpod.com/merch https://www.disgracelandpod.com/merch to see the latest Disgraceland merch! Sign up for our newsletter and get the inside dirt on events, merch and other awesomeness - GET THE NEWSLETTER https://mailchi.mp/doubleelvis/disgraceland-email-newsletter Follow Jake and DISGRACELAND: Instagram https://www.instagram.com/disgracelandpod/ YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@disgracelandpod X https://twitter.com/disgracelandpod (formerly Twitter) To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 1:45Jake Brennan?

  Hey, Discos. Need a little more DisgraceLand in your life? Just a touch, to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to DisgraceLand: The Afterparty.

• 2:12Jake Brennan?

  Welcome to the DisgraceLand bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the after-party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of DisgraceLand to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking about Mama Cass Elliot, we are previewing the coming episode on Chris Cornell, talking down and dirty rock star autobiographies, and we get into your voicemails, texts, DMs, emails, and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. All right, discos, let's get into it.

• 2:57Jake Brennan?

  In the Mama Cass Elliot episodes at the top of your feed this week, there is one story in particular that really influenced my thinking about this story about Cass, about Sharon Tate, Charles Manson, et cetera. And it's the story that actor Michael Caine tells about being at a party at Cass's house where both Sharon Tate and Charles Manson are present. I heard about this story in Tom O'Neill's book, Chaos. Tom cites it. And the reason this story is so important is because it blows a major hole in Vincent Bugliosi's helter-skelter theory. Now, I'm not going to get into all of it here because that's what the Mama Cass Elliot episodes are for, and the Sharon Tate ones as well. Those are

• 3:41Jake Brennan?

  in the Hollywoodland feed, by the way. But I bring it up to get to another point. When I read this story in Tom O'Neill's Chaos, the story of Sharon Tate and Charles Manson being at the same party that is depicted by Michael Caine, I had to see the original source material because the story was so bizarre and just no one had... Ever mentioned anything like this before. So I went looking for the, the book that O'Neill cites. It's called What's It All About by Michael Caine, which is an autobiography and largely details the actor's early days in Hollywood. Caine has, Michael Caine has multiple memoirs and this is just one of them. This one is very well written, published by a real publishing house, et cetera.

• 4:24Jake Brennan?

  And Michael Caine is still, as you know, very much relevant. So you can imagine my surprise when I learned that this book is not only out of print, but it is extremely hard to get your hands on. So difficult that it started to seem to me that it was almost like they didn't want you to read it. But I got the book anyway. I paid a pretty penny for it online. And there, there isn't much in the book that is risque or revealing or over the top or incriminating, except for this story, the one about Charles Manson and Sharon Tate being at the same party. And it's, the story's not even integral to the book. It's a very small passage in one, one chapter. Beach Boy Dennis Wilson's book, The Real Beach Boy. Now I get why they don't want

• 5:07Jake Brennan?

  you to read this book. It's chock full of wild stories about Dennis and his time in the so-called golden penetrators with Terry Melcher and Greg Jacobson. If you want to hear more on this story, you can check out the Beach Boys, this great sand episodes. But the point is these two books, each detailing portions of the real Charles Manson story. For whatever reason, they can't be obtained and read easily. And one of these is an autobiography and the other, it's not an autobiography, it's a biography, but it's not a work of fiction. Okay. Now, at the same time, right now, as I'm going through all this in my head, talking to you guys about it, I'm reading another book by an author named Manson. No, not Charles Manson, Marilyn Manson. I'm

• 5:51Jake Brennan?

  reading his or Brian Warner's autobiography. Brian Warner is of course, the real name of Marilyn Manson. And the Marilyn Manson autobiography is called The Long Hard Road Out of Hell. I'm reading this in preparation for a Marilyn Manson episode that's coming your way in late May. Now there's nothing in Michael Caine's autobiography or in the Dennis Wilson biography that on face value even approaches the shocking amount of material in Marilyn Manson's book. So my first question is, why? Why are the Michael Caine and Dennis Wilson books nearly impossible to get your hands on? And I think I answered that question. I think I answered it in the episodes on Cass

• 6:31Jake Brennan?

  Elliott. But my second question is, what are the most shocking rock star autobiographies? Now, I went looking for a list, and I guess the real shock here is that there isn't really a list. So I thought, who better to make this list than us? Than, you know, yours truly here, with your help. I've read my fair share of these books. So, you know, you guys have heard me talk about these artists. So we're all in this sort of unique position to put this list together. But then I thought, well, lists are kind of boring unless they're totally outrageous, like the list of top grunge albums from a couple of weeks back, or that list of artists nominated for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame from last week. By the way, we should have a final list of inductees by next week's after-party. We'll get into

• 7:13Jake Brennan?

  that. So my point is, I don't want to make this list. But I do want to tell you that the Marilyn Manson autobiography is without a doubt, the most damning book by a rock star that I've ever read. More damning than Motley Crue's The Dirt, more damning than Rick James's book Glow. I'm halfway through Manson's autobiography, and so far, there isn't a shred of humility, or even really humanity. It is pretty fucking dark. It is funny, though. So I guess there's some humanity in that. Somehow Marilyn Manson is funny. I think I knew that, but I didn't really, haven't really experienced it before. And Manson is a really good writer. He truly is. But like I said, Marilyn Manson, dark.

• 7:55Jake Brennan?

  Now, my final thinking on this subject. What major rock stars have yet to write their autobiographies? Now, this, this to me is an interesting list. Madonna is at the top of this list. And you'd think that Madge would have written her story by now, but no. And I think it's because she's working on her story for a film, and she's been doing this for the past few years, but I can't really say. All I can say is that I've read enough already about Madonna. I've heard enough as well about Madonna, secondhand, some firsthand, actually, on what Madonna got up to in the 1980s and the 90s. And I'm just saying, if Madonna took an honest stab at telling her story, then I'm

• 8:36Jake Brennan?

  certain it would give Marilyn and Motley Crue a run for their money. The 90s were fucked up, man. Dark, dark rock star shit went on in the 90s and Madonna was at the height of her power during that decade. So, there's Madonna, but who else is there? Okay, there's Mick Jagger. Yes, there is, as of yet, no autobiography by Mr. Jerry Hall. Mick just got engaged, by the way, 82 years old, and his fiance is only something like six years older than Tattoo U. I'm not clever enough to have come up with that on my own. I stole that from a rock journalist, Steven Hayden, on Twitter. That's not my joke. Mick Jagger not having an autobiography, though, that's, that's not a joke either. This is more of a crime, okay? As music lovers, as music historians, we deserve a Mick Jagger autobiography.

• 9:22Jake Brennan?

  I find it curious that there's no Mick Jagger autobiography. Why not? I'll tell you why not. There's too many stories. And unlike Keith Richards, I'm betting that Mick Jagger remembers most of what he's gone through in his life, and he's likely horrified by the prospect of having to piece it all into a narrative. And what would happen to him if he did? Mick made an attempt in the early 80s at an autobiography, but his publisher rejected it, saying that it was too light on the sex and the drugs. I don't think we're ever getting a Mick Jagger autobiography. Not in a post Me Too era. Now, all the other books I've mentioned here were released pre Me Too, when Marilyn Manson and Motley Crue

• 10:04Jake Brennan?

  and Rick James and the like get away with detailing their horrible treatment of women firsthand. I still cannot believe that they wrote these books. I couldn't believe it then. I can't believe it now. Honestly, it's, you know, it's in part why I started disgracing him. But Mick, Mick Jagger, he's, he's too smart, I think. He gained nothing by telling his story, other than in an ego boost, I suppose. But my guess is Mick is taking his stories to the grave. Madonna, on the other hand, an autobiography by Madonna would be less shocking were it to be released. But I doubt we'd get the real shit. My guess is she'd cherry pick certain stories for shock value, but wouldn't give us any of what we, what really went down, which is her prerogative.

• 10:45Jake Brennan?

  I wouldn't mind a Kanye autobiography, a real one, not some racist performance art piece like his ex account currently serves as. I'd like an explanation as to what the fuck's been going on in his head the last five years, 10 years, really. But I fear that the mentally ill, at least relative to Kanye, I don't think he has the ability for that kind of self-reflection. But, you know, I'd like Kanye's take on the entertainment industry, a really true, like a real take from his vantage point. It's never gonna happen though. All right, maybe you'll get a Kanye episode of Disgraceful, though, sometime in the near future to go with your Marilyn Manson episode. That's definitely happening. I do know, coming up next in your feed, you're getting a couple Eagles episodes, talk about stories, rock stars

• 11:28Jake Brennan?

  don't want you to hear, the Henley story in the book You'll Never Make Love in This Town. Again, I spent a pretty penny, small fortune getting my hands on that book as well. And you will hear why when you listen to these two episodes that are coming up. So much debauchery, okay? Following those Eagles Rewind episodes that are hitting your feed tomorrow, our next full episode on Tuesday is on Chris Cornell of Soundgarden and Audioslave, which brings us to next week's question of the week. When you're listening to the Chris Cornell episode, I want you to be thinking about which musicians had a follow-up band that was better than their breakthrough band, okay? So what do you mean by that? Well, come on, Chris Cornell broke through with Soundgarden, but he followed it up with Audioslave. And a lot of people think, and I'm not one of them, that Audioslave is better than Soundgarden.

• 12:12Jake Brennan?

  So there's a bunch of these examples out there. I'm not going to go through them now. We're going to go through them next week when you call me, 617-906-6638, and leave me a voicemail and send me a text and let me know which artists' follow-up bands were as impactful or better than their breakthrough bands, okay? All right, I'm gonna take a break. I'll be hanging on the telephone on the other side of this break with your voicemails, texts, and DMs.

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• 14:22Jake Brennan?

  All right, 617-906-6638. You know where I'm at. I'm in the phone booth. This is one across the hall. I'm hanging on the telephone. You want to send me a voicemail? You want to send me a text? 617-906-6638. Let's check out some voicemails. This one comes from Justin in the 540.

• 14:40Speaker 08

  Jake, this is Justin from the 540. I just really needed to weigh in on this debacle that we're calling the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame sham, whatever you want to call it. But anyway, your, your list gave me an idea for my own list. So here's my seven, okay? And we'll go in order, one to seven. So first one, you know, Motorhead. Second would be Fog Hat, maybe Blue Wolf or Cult. Third would be Humble Pie. Fourth would be Johnny Thunders

• 15:18Speaker 08

  and/or the New York Dolls. Five, Billy Idol. Six, we'll go ahead and do Oasis. Now seven, seven, I'm gonna go ahead and throw the Misfits in there, just because I want to, because it's the way it is.

• 15:33Jake Brennan?

  Justin, thank you for the call. Fantastic list, man. I don't know about Fog Hat. I mean, I could quibble with your list, but I think, I think you're right on with Johnny Thunders and New York Dolls. Billy Idol and Oasis. I like how you're tipping your hat to the current nominees. I think that's smart. I think this is a solid list. And you talk about the Misfits later. I mean, yeah, you gotta, there, there needs to be room for more of that OG 70s, early 80s punk that went on to influence so many of the bands that are currently being nominated, that are from later generations, 90s, et cetera. That's what I'm talking about. Love, love the take, Justin. Thanks so much. We'll get into this more, guys. And next week, I wanted to play Justin's voicemail because we're

• 16:15Jake Brennan?

  gonna get into this more next week. When, I think next week, by the time we talk again, we should, and if not next week, definitely the week after, we should have some clarity from the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame on who the seven nominees, excuse me, inductees for this year will be. In the meantime, you want to voice your opinion on who those seven should be, 617-906-6638, voicemail and text.

• 16:38Jake Brennan?

  All right, let's check out this one from the 470.

• 16:42Speaker 09

  Hey Jake, it's one of your biggest fans Bernard. Uh, mine is a two-part issue. Uh, one is I can't find any of your Badlands anywhere. Um, have you taken them off? I mean, I would love, you know, for you to repost them and, and tell us where we can still listen to them because, you know, they're so wonderful. You know, even if you have to rebrand them, you know, a disgraced land, I would love to still be able to access them. Uh, and number two, uh, I think there are two stories that you really need to look into, do some research and, um, and, and tell the world about. One is the, the, uh, the great vocalist Roy Hamilton, how he is the genesis of Elvis's

• 17:25Speaker 09

  uh, singing style so much that everyone who does an impression bothly of Elvis is doing an impression of an impression. Two, uh, the great unbelievably unherded, uh, R and B singer, Little Willie John. Uh, here's the, the very first version and the best version of the song Fever. And, uh, the story about how he died and, uh, the stabbing, you know, that took place of that, that house, you know, that, that went on, that, that cost him his freedom. It is a fascinating story and he is truly an unsung, you know, uh, unheralded, um, you know, vocal talent, as is Roy Hamilton. I would love to see what you could do with those stories. Take care.

• 18:11Jake Brennan?

  Bernard, thank you. Thank you for the voicemail Bernard. Bernard, you have an excellent voice. You ever thought about doing a podcast? Uh, first question Hollywoodland, sorry, you said Badlands. Where can I find the Badlands episodes? We've rebranded them Hollywoodland. That's likely why you're not finding them Bernard. Just search Hollywoodland in any of your podcast players and you'll find a new feed, a Hollywoodland feed, and you can subscribe there. And we've got about 40 or so episodes in there right now. And we're going to have more news on Hollywoodland and what we got coming down the pike in a couple of weeks. On your suggestions, really great ones, Roy Hamilton. I don't know much about Roy Hamilton. Uh, people have brought him up to me in the past. Appreciate your, your. Prompting here, it's gonna make me do a little digging. I'll root around, see if I can find a crime angle, some, some sort of angle besides just see the Elvis influence.

• 18:56Jake Brennan?

  Little Willie John, is that who, who I'm thinking of? That real, real high voice. I didn't know about the stabbing. I love that this is a true crime angle with Little Willie John. So perhaps that's something that we'll get into in the near future as well, Bernard. Thank you so much for the call. Appreciate. 617-906-6638, guys. You want to get in touch, voicemail and text. Oh my God, look at this one. Okay, this one comes from, this text comes from the 302, who writes in, uh, "Bro, my local library has What's It All About? I just put a hold on it." Okay, so What's It All About is the Michael Caine book we were just talking about. Then I get another text. This is a couple hours later. "It's also on Audible and you can buy it used from Amazon."

• 19:41Jake Brennan?

  Okay, cool, cool. Then I get another text, but an hour later. "So, the Audible books skip 1966 to 1973 conveniently." How fucked up is that? So the book is available through Audible, which I didn't know. I guess I wasn't, I would never, I don't do any research with audio books. I just do it all with hard copies or digital books. I need a book when I'm researching, not, not in my ears. So I did not look on Audible for the Michael Caine book. But how interesting is this, that it is available, but they've cut out the year 1969 when this meeting happens? Crazy. 302, love this text, thank you.

• 20:25Jake Brennan?

  All right, 920 is writing in, uh, telling me they're an ancestor of John Wilkes Booth? What? No, Edward P. Daugherty, who tracked John Wilkes Booth and brought his body back to Washington DC. I don't know what that has to do with disgracing, but hey.

• 20:43Jake Brennan?

  I'm in an interesting family lineage. So yeah, thank you for the text 920. What else we got here? Mike from the 585 in Rochester. Mike from the 585 in Rochester, talking about Rochester being featured again in the Billy Idol episode. What is it with musicians getting arrested there? That's right. Bowie and Iggy Pop were arrested in Rochester as well. And 585 is talking here about Joy Division and New Order. That one escapes me. 585, thank you for the text. 346 writes in, hello, I've been listening for years, but I needed to put my two cents in on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominees. I'm a first generation Mexican American and I love Mana and what they stand for. Their activism for humanitarian

• 21:26Jake Brennan?

  and environmental rights has been something I always responded to. And I vividly remember singing songs as a kid and later learning their true meaning. It's music I still play and enjoy introducing to my kids. It's part of our history and culture. Love to get your take on some of their classic albums from Houston. Suzie, Suzie, I'm gonna check it out. And I meant no disrespect to Mana. I hope I'm saying that correctly. But my only point was, as I made last week, I should, I should know, I should have least heard of a band if they're being nominated into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. And I don't put that on me. You can put it on me, but I don't put it on me. I put it on the band. That was my only point. Doesn't mean they're not good. Doesn't mean that I'm not gonna love

• 22:08Jake Brennan?

  them. Doesn't mean they're not, I don't know, worthy of massive fanbase. I'm gonna check them out. Appreciate you, Suzie. Thank you. 617-906-6638. You guys want to send me a voicemail or a text? 812 writes in, I just started listening to Disgrace Land and I'm all in. You and your team rock my socks. We're all about rocking those socks. Welcome. Thanks for hanging out. Call back. Voicemail. You know, texting is like the entry, the gateway drug to Disgrace Land, to the Disgrace Land community. Voicemail, you're all in, man. 617-906-6638. You can also send us a DM @DisgraceLandPod on Instagram,

• 22:48Jake Brennan?

  X, Facebook, Coco over on Instagram. Our good friend Coco writes in in response to this post we made in our stories. I did this interview with the Creative Independent, great little magazine up in the Northwest about process, about what I do to write and produce these shows, mainly the writing side of it. And I spoke about, you know, everything, really get into the granular nuts and bolts of it. And I spoke about getting up early. It's just part of the routine. It's because I have to get the writing, the hardest part done early before the rest of the day kind of impedes upon my, my brain. And Coco writes in, so relatable. I get up at 5:00 AM too, and do all the important heavy work first. Nice to have some insight on your creative process. If you guys are interested like Coco

• 23:30Jake Brennan?

  in the creative process, just search out Disgrace Land, Jake Brennan, and the Creative Independent. There's a great interview in there that I did with my man Jay Bennett. All right, we're gonna do something new here in the after party. You guys can have yours truly, myself, me, me, myself and I, on your voicemail machine. Okay. I can be the voice of your virtual answering machine. I will record a message for you, is what I'm saying, that you can play, you can have playing for whoever calls you to leave you a message. Hey, this is Jake Brennan from Disgrace Land, and Deb isn't available to take your call right now because she's out doing something awesome. So leave your message at the tone, or something like that. Here's how you can make this happen. You gotta find the Easter egg. That's right. It's Easter this weekend, and that means it's Easter egg time. And I

• 24:14Jake Brennan?

  don't just mean the literal kind. I mean, the figurative kind. And the figurative Easter eggs are in the most recent episode of Hollywoodland, Part Two, on Sharon Tate. Now, there's an Easter egg in that episode, if you can find it. And you can be the first to comment on our Instagram today, or first to call me, or text me at 617-906-6638 with the right answer.

• 24:37Jake Brennan?

  Then you, yes, you, Mr. Or Mrs. Disgraceland listener will, like I said, receive a recording of me for your voicemail message. Here's the Easter egg question in the Sharon Tate part two episode of Hollywood Land. Who did Sharon Tate ask for advice from concerning her marital problems with Roman Polanski? Who did Sharon seek out for advice? Okay. That's the question. Call me 617-906-6638 and leave me a voicemail. Send me a text with your answers or just be the first to comment the answer on the Instagram post when we pose this question. Again, the Easter egg answer is in the Sharon Tate part two episode of Hollywood Land. And now for something totally different.

• 25:20Jake Brennan?

  Quick sports rant in under 30 seconds. Speaking of autobiographies earlier in this episode, the most fascinating man in the history of sports has a new autobiography out. Bill Belichick, coach of the New England Patriots. And I hear that there are no juicy tidbits to be had, just straight talk on leadership and winning. And I'm sorry, I almost bored myself to sleep there. I don't want talk on leadership and winning. I already got that in the Haber Sham book on Bill Belichick. Okay. I don't need another one of those books. All right. I want the dirt, man. I want to know why Bill jettisoned Brady out of New England. I want to know why Bill sat Wes Welker to start the 2010 AFC Championship.

• 26:01Jake Brennan?

  I want to know what in the hell Malcolm Butler did to piss off Bill Belichick before Super Bowl 52. Okay. All right. That's enough sports. Back in the flash with your emails and the Hollywood land minute.

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• 26:47Speaker 00

  Hi, I'm Jenna Oshkowitz. You might know me from Glee. This is At the Table, the food allergy podcast, a show about food, connection, and what it really looks like to live with food allergies. Each episode, we hear stories from real people like Daniel.

• 27:02Speaker 06

  People would always think I was lactose intolerant, so I just kind of shortened my explanation to I'm deathly allergic in a big way that defined a lot of my childhood.

• 27:13Speaker 00

  And while there are challenges, there are moments that remind you you're not alone.

• 27:18Speaker 07

  One of the best guys that I dated, he made a point to memorize all my food allergies.

• 27:24Speaker 00

  So join us and hear their stories and more, because living with food allergies isn't just about what you can't eat. It's about still having your seat at the table. Brought to you by Genentech and Novartis. Listen to At the Table, the food allergy podcast, on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Follow At the Table and start listening on the free iHeart Radio app today.

• 27:51Jake Brennan?

  All right, we are back and you know what time it is. It's time for the Hollywood Land Minute, brought to you by the Hollywood Land Podcast. Don't know what the Hollywood Land Podcast is? Well, the Hollywood Land Podcast is hosted by yours truly, where every week I tell you a story from the annex of Hollywood and true crime. And right now, there are over 40 episodes waiting for you to binge. Episodes on James Dean, Armie Hammer, Charlie Sheen, Danny Trejo, Marilyn Monroe, Steve McQueen, Drew Barrymore, Jane Fonda, and most recently, the very talented and very beautiful Sharon Tate. Here's a clip.

• 28:20Jake Brennan?

  October 10th, 1967. A hotel room in Rome. America's perfect movie star Sharon Tate watching television. More than 1,000 miles away, on a Southampton dock in the UK, Sharon's friend, Mama Cass Elliot, was in handcuffs. Sharon watched it all go down on the black and white set. Like the rest of America, watching on their own TV sets back home. Sharon was in shock. Cass was being charged with stealing towels and soap from a London hotel, held over from the last time she was in London. How embarrassing. Sharon could relate. She herself had recently been arrested for something even more ridiculous than pilfering toiletries.

• 29:02Jake Brennan?

  Busted on a train in Italy for the offense of wearing a short dress that was a little too short. Someone should tell the Italian cops that the societal norms were shifting. 13 million women in the world on the pill. Sex and the single girl selling millions. Even if its author couldn't say the word sex on television. And if you weren't prepared for all that, grandpa, then buckle up for Valley of the Dolls, which hit the cinemas that December. It was the 60s. People could go where they wanted to go, do what they wanted to do. Unless, of course, it were Mama Cass. Something about Cass's bust just didn't sit right with Sharon. Her arrest in 1967 was, for a minute anyway, all anyone back home in the States could talk about.

• 29:47Jake Brennan?

  Even more than Sharon's skimpy outfits in Valley of the Dolls. It would remain one of America's most infamous busts from the world of pop stardom until two years later in 1969, when another arrest for the murder of Cass Elliot's loyal and sympathetic friend would nearly eradicate Cass's seemingly innocent bust from the pop consciousness.

• 30:12Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys. Make sure you are subscribed to Hollywood Land on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Next week, we have our episode on Robin Williams coming your way, and you're not going to want to miss that. All right. [email protected]. You got anything you want to get off your chest? Send me an email. Christopher Easley writes in, short and sweet, the way I like it. Was Mama Cass doing freak-offs before Diddy? No, but there was some, I believe, some really, really gruesome shit going on. And yeah, I'm reading this email in part because if you have not heard these episodes yet, what are you waiting for? Get in there, okay? You're not going to be disappointed. This one comes from Jim Greenhow,

• 30:57Jake Brennan?

  who writes in, hey, love your pods. Jake, I think I came across your podcast while listening to Karina Longworth's podcast. I don't really remember, but I have been listening nonstop to both pods every day. Your pods make my day go so much faster. My favorite episodes so far are James Dean, Dennis Hopper, Drew Barrymore, et cetera, et cetera, to name a few Sid Vicious.

• 31:18Jake Brennan?

  Goes on to say, I think a big part of what makes your pod so successful. And then he goes on to say very nice things about my voice. I want to get to this part of the email here. Jim goes on to say, I do have one subject for you that I think you could do a real deep dive into Errol Flynn and his son Sean Flynn. I don't think they've ever even found Sean Flynn's body in Vietnam or Cambodia. And then there's the rumors about Errol being either a spy or a Nazi sympathizer. And the young girls, of course, well, take care. And I'll keep posting the links to your pods on my social media. I read this Jim because it's so on topic for today's bonus episode of after party. Again, we've hit on all these books, the Errol Flynn autobiography. It's called My Life. It's something very basic like that.

• 32:02Jake Brennan?

  I have, I think I have a first edition of that. I have a really, really old copy that was very hard to get. And one of those things that's out of print and it's out of print for a reason. The stuff in that book is fucking crazy. And one, I didn't know anything about his son either. This is a, or the Nazi sympathizing spy stuff. This sounds fantastic. Pumped. And to be honest, I haven't even read Errol Flynn's autobiography yet. I've skimmed it. It's the type of thing you can just pick up and get pulled into really any page and just your jaw will be on the floor. We got into the Errol Flynn Bundy Boys story in the Drew Barrymore episode. Because her grandfather was involved in it.

• 32:48Jake Brennan?

  That's in the Hollywood land episode. Just this story is fucking nuts. And we also got into it more explicitly in the Marilyn Monroe episodes because Marilyn was present during this event or during the telling of this event. One, yeah, one of Errol Flynn's many sort of like, uh, party tricks. Anyhow, Errol's influence so notorious, Jim, that he's popped up in those two episodes, but have not yet done one on him for Hollywood land, but I will, I'm telling you right now. Oh, man, it's kind of dreary here. And I just had this image of me like curled up.

• 33:28Jake Brennan?

  In my comfy chair over here with that Earl Flynn book for the rest of the afternoon, just reading it away. That ain't gonna happen though. I gotta finish this episode. We'll get some reviews to check out right here. You know why we do the reviews? Because the reviews help the show grow. You guys help me out with the reviews on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. If I read it here, you guys get in touch and I get you some merch. That's how it works. And again, I don't just do this to be self-congratulatory, although I don't care how shameless this is. This is what helps the show grow. It is one of the number one engines for driving discovery is activity on the apps surrounding the podcast. So if you leave a review, you give it a rating on Apple Podcasts, you give Disgrace Land, Hollywood Land, a little review, a little love, goes a real

• 34:10Jake Brennan?

  long way and it's easy and it's cheap and it's a way for you to support the show and I'm super, super appreciative of it. This review on Apple Podcasts comes from Podcast Fan Queen, who writes, "Hey, my new binge. Someone asked me if I'd listened to the Marilyn episodes." Oh, there we go, Marilyn Monroe, "of this podcast. So of course I ran to listen because she's my personal icon and now I am hooked," all caps. "It's like talking with my friend. We are obviously the same generation. So everything Jake says is like, yes, I love the narration. I love the commentary. I love the Mellotron. I'm just obsessed. I'm telling everyone I know to listen. I'm binging every episode. Great podcast, great host, great subjects, just super awesome." Podcast Fan Queen, you sound super awesome and I appreciate

• 34:53Jake Brennan?

  you. Get in touch. Over on Apple Podcasts, LadyCeleste_ KTF writes, "Wow, I've been listening for a month or so now and I like the podcast, but after hearing this two-part episode on Mama Cast, I can officially say I love this podcast." Lady Celeste goes on to say some very nice things. We appreciate you, Lady Celeste. Thank you so much. Get in touch. Guys, you want to leave a review? Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

• 35:22Jake Brennan?

  Get in there. This episode, it's nearing its end, but the after-party here, it's going to continue for our All-Access members. Now, what might the All-Access, what are we even talking about, Jake? How do I get in on this All-Access action? Well, it's very simple. You go to disgracelandpod.com/membership where you can sign up for just $5 a month. Now, you can support the show. The $5 goes a long way in supporting the show. It's going to get you guys ad-free listening. It's going to get you guys in a full, extra, exclusive episode of DisgraceLand per month, every month, and it's going to get you this extra bonus part of the after-party. Again, like I said, all for this $5 a month, go to disgracelandpod.com/membership.

• 36:21Jake Brennan?

  All right, we are back. Let's climb into the vault here, see what we have for archive episodes. Mentioned in this episode here, for artists, in the bonus section of the after-party just now, we were talking about James Brown. Got an archive episode on James Brown. We, of course, talked about Madonna. Madonna is one of my favorite all-time episodes of DisgraceLand. Motley Crue, Rick James. Matt's going to have these archive episodes, the links for them, the information in the show notes of this page, make it easy for you guys to find it. If you're new to the show, we have 230-plus scripted full episodes for you guys to dig into in the archive. Go check those out. Binge away. All right, we're about to get out of here, so let's recap. Number one, my other podcast, Hollywoodland, is alive and kicking over in the Hollywoodland feed, so make sure you're subscribed and following

• 37:06Jake Brennan?

  Hollywoodland on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. And get ready for our Hollywoodland Robin Williams episode coming on Monday. My stuff noise you just heard is my son coming in and then leaving. Number two, right now, in your DisgraceLand feed, our two-part episode on Mama Cass Elliot. Number three, coming tomorrow, our Rewind episodes on the Eagles. And next week, Chris Cornell, so make sure you're subscribed to DisgraceLand. Number four, merch winners, get You know who you are. Number five, remember, no one cares about preserving the true spirit of rock and roll more than you do. And well, that is a disgrace. All right. In honor of this week's subject, Sharon Tate, this is me reading you the billboard charts from

• 37:45Jake Brennan?

  the infamous day Miss Tate was taken from us, August 8, 1969. Number one, in the year 2525, Zagar and Evans, last week, one, peak position, one, weeks on chart, eight. Number two, Crystal Blue Persuasion, Tommy James and the Shondells, last week, two, peak position, two, weeks on chart, 10. Number three, Honky Tonk Women, The Rolling Stones, last week, eight, peak position, three, weeks on chart, four. Number four, What Does It Take To Win Your Love, Junior Walker and the All-Stars, last week, five,

• 38:30Jake Brennan?

  peak position, four, weeks on chart, 10. Number five, Sweet Caroline, Neil Diamond, last week, seven, peak position, five, weeks on charts.

• 38:46Speaker 11

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• 40:21Jake Brennan?

  Hey guys, time to dust off your detective skills while unwinding in the Caribbean on Virgin Voyages' second true crime voyage. It's back by popular demand, this five-night, adults-only escape sets sail March 20, 2027, to Grand Turk in the Beach Club at Bimini. The difference between this year and last will be that I will be on the cruise this year, along with Zeph, and he and I will be taping a live version of DisgraceLand along with podcast hosts from Exactly Right's Buried Bones, Podcast of the Year Award winners Wisecrack, and other fan favorites. Get on this cruise with us, guys, and enjoy live podcast recordings, behind-the-scenes storytelling, exclusive meet-and-greets, and immersive true crime programming throughout this one-of-a-kind voyage.

• 41:05Jake Brennan?

  Head over to www.virginvoyages.com/trucrime to secure your spot.