The Basement: Hugh Newman | Giant Skeletons, Sumerian Myths, and Megaliths

Hugh Newman is an author, explorer, and ancient mysteries researcher who has spent over two decades investigating megalithic sites around the world. He is the founder of the Megalithomania Conference, now in its 20th year, which brings together academics, archaeologists, and independent researchers to examine ancient sites from multiple disciplines. He co-authored the book Gobekli Tepe and Karahan Tepe: The World's First Megaliths and has written extensively on giants, earth grids, and ancient metrology. Hugh has conducted fieldwork at sites across Turkey, Egypt, Malta, Peru, and Britain, and regularly leads research tours to locations most people never get access to. He appears on Gaia's Ancient Civilizations series and runs the Megalithomania YouTube channel, where he documents new discoveries as they happen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25q2-hP6NgU&t=1s HUGH NEWMAN SOURCES & LINKS Website: www.megalithomania.co.ukYoutube: www.youtube.com/MegalithomaniaUK Patreon: www.patreon.com/megalithomania Facebook: www.facebook.com/MegalithomaniaOfficial/ Instagram: megalithomania1, hughnewman1X: https://x.com/MEGALITHOMANIAMerchandise: https://megalithomania.dashery.comTours/Travel: www.megalithomania.co.uk/tours.html Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00AJ Gentile?

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• 1:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, pushes back the timeline again? At this point, they should just leave a blank page and say, "We'll get back to you."

• 1:32AJ Gentile?

  In this conversation, we get into Gobekli Tepe, underground cities, standardized units of measure that shouldn't exist yet, and a sneaky visit to some caves under the Giza Plateau that are now bricked up forever. Hugh also made a case that the Sphinx might not be a lion. It might be a leopard. And he's got the evidence to back it up. Oh, we also get into everyone's favorite subject: giants.

• 1:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, everyone except the Smithsonian.

• 1:55AJ Gentile?

  That's true, and we get into that. This one covers a lot of ground. And honestly, the math alone is worth the ride. Yes, math. Let's go down to the basement.

• 2:11AJ Gentile?

  Hugh, welcome to the basement.

• 2:13Speaker 03

  Thanks for having me on, I really appreciate it.

• 2:15AJ Gentile?

  Now, how do you go to creating the conference? Which is, it's still running, right?

• 2:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, for sure. Actually, this is our 20th anniversary.

• 2:21AJ Gentile?

  Oh, my goodness.

• 2:21Speaker 03

  You know, so we're like, having a bit of a celebration this year. So, this is the Megalith Mania Conference. So, this is what we've been doing since May 2006. I founded this with John Martineau, who's also my publisher with The Wooden Books, and Gareth Mills. I pretty much run it myself with my own team now. And it was really set up, and it's quite intriguing when you look at what's going on online nowadays. It was set up as a forum, like a public forum, to have the alternative historical information and researchers with the academics, all on the same stage, but in a kind, in a very kind way.

• 2:59AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:59Speaker 03

  Connecting with each other.

• 3:00AJ Gentile?

  Not a debunking debate.

• 3:02Speaker 03

  No, no, no, it was just a respectful way, so we could have a multidisciplinary look at megaliths, ancient sites, the ancient mysteries, and have it as an open forum. So, and we now have top archaeologists, and top historians, and anthropologists coming along, next to people who are talking about what they deem as fringe or outrageous stuff. And it's actually quite fun. And so, they've actually, a lot of the academics know each other. So, one or two of them came along, and they had such a good time, they actually recommended it. So, it's easy to get some really cool academics to come along.

• 3:36AJ Gentile?

  Like, how was that? Was he cool? And it's like, no, it was great.

• 3:38Speaker 03

  No, no, and there's no, we don't, it's not like online, you know, the whole Flynn Dibble, Graham Hancock thing. There's all this big nasty kind of back and forth. And we just don't have that. We're very, very nice, very polite, very respectful, and it works brilliantly. And we've stuck to that focus every year for the last 20 years.

• 3:57AJ Gentile?

  I'm glad you said multidiscipline, because what I like about your research is you bring in acoustic engineers, electromagnetic research, all that stuff. I think that's missing in archaeology.

• 4:06Speaker 03

  I think you're right, yeah. This is, this is one of the things that kind of bothers me a little bit, and a lot of other researchers, is that... Archaeologists do brilliant work, don't get me wrong, you know, they are very well trained in, you know, preserving, digging up, analysing these sites, dating it and everything else. But when it comes to things like astronomy, acoustics, or mythology, or symbolism, even subtle energies and things like this, it's not something they're interested in or trained in. And I think this is where the problem lies in interpreting these sites and having a voice about these sites. Because you need to have this multidisciplinary look at them. Because these people back then, they had the same brain capacity as us, they may have been smarter than us. Sure.

• 4:50Speaker 03

  We don't know. And so they were obviously into lots of interesting things. I mean, you just look at the symbolism at sites like Abekli Tepe and the abstract art and creation of these sites, it's insane. It's just, wow, it's like these guys were just like master artists as well as being master builders. And so I think you really need to approach it from all these different angles. I'm not saying I'm a specialist in all these different things. But when you, you know, you put it on a conference, it's great. You can invite people to come and you can actually share research, say, would you mind looking at this? I want you to check this out. You know, and you could present it and they can, oh, that's interesting. I didn't realise, you know, that astronomical alignment was there. That fits in with what I'm doing. And so I think, yeah, I think it's really important.

• 5:35Speaker 03

  But I think archaeology nowadays, as you know, you know, with the other guests you've had on this show, you need to approach it from all these different angles. It really has to be done. Why do you think there is gatekeeping? I think it's just part of the paradigm. I think it's part of the nature of any discipline like that. They want to keep it within what they're doing. But one of the things I have learnt, and this is a friend of mine, actually comes to our conference, she is actually in her twenties, and she's now doing a proper archaeology degree, doing a proper course about it. And there's actually a thing that she told me, we were having lunch after an event we were doing in Avebury Stone Circle of all places, because there's a pub in the

• 6:16Speaker 03

  middle of Avebury Stone Circle. And she was telling me now, they actually open and they want information from...

• 6:24Speaker 03

  Alternative people because a lot of the discoveries being made and this has happened a lot over the last decade or more than you know several decades. A lot of discoveries are being made by non academics, non archaeologists. And so how do you address that in archaeology when the archaeologists are supposed to be the only ones making the discoveries and talking about them? And she said, now there's an acceptance within that. And so that's just now, though.

• 6:49AJ Gentile?

  That's new.

• 6:50Speaker 03

  That's now happening now. It's not, it's not gonna probably help us with what we're doing at Quebec de Tepi and Carahana Tepi because the archaeologists have their own agenda. They want their own kind of, they want to be the main voice on it. But now things are, appear to be changing, at least in England, at least this one person I spoke to about it.

• 7:08AJ Gentile?

  I just, speaking of gatekeeping, this reminds me, I just covered Andrew Collins and Tomb of the Birds. Is it true that you were down in that cave system?

• 7:17Speaker 03

  Um, yes.

• 7:20AJ Gentile?

  Were you not supposed to be?

• 7:21Speaker 03

  Not, not really.

• 7:22AJ Gentile?

  Was this where you found, found a gate open? How, what's that story?

• 7:25Speaker 03

  Okay, let me tell you this story. Yes, it's one of the stories we're gonna get into, got a few, I'm sure. So this was back in, I think, November, must be the year before last. And obviously Andrew had discovered the Tomb of the Birds and also what became known as Collins Caves, the Zahi who asked named it.

• 7:43AJ Gentile?

  Wasn't he banned?

• 7:45Speaker 03

  For what? Kind of, yes.

• 7:46AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 7:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, but they're not that strict with that kind of thing. And this was back in 2008 when he first discovered. So we went, you know, we were in Egypt doing a tour there. We were kind of with a, a group had finished, me and Andrew hanging about for a couple of days. And we just thought, you know what, let's go and take a walk over there, you know.

• 8:05Speaker 03

  Problem is, I was wearing my shorts and like, kind of, you know, tennis shoes or whatever I was wearing at the time, could have been flip flops. And we thought we're gonna have a quick look and, and, and, and there was no lock on the gate and we're like, oh. Oh, this is interesting. So we thought I would just pop in and take a look, you know, and I was not prepared. Luckily, I had my flashlight and my camera with me.

• 8:25AJ Gentile?

  You didn't deliberate for one minute should we go in?

• 8:27Speaker 03

  We were deliberating a lot because you can get, you know, you get in serious trouble for that now. And so, yeah, we got in and at the front part of it, the tomb of the birds area is actually kind of carved out. There's lots of little chambers, but then at the back, there's like a kind of hole in the wall. You walk through there and there's this huge semi-created chamber, partly carved out. Then it leads through for about a quarter of a mile through these caves. And it's the most spooky, mind-blowing place I've ever been in in my life, I think. It really kind of got me. And Andrew had been in there since 2008, so he was overjoyed.

• 9:01AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 9:01Speaker 03

  Um, so we did all that, we filmed it, we got out, um, no one was around, no one saw us, thank God. And then now they bricked it up. Literally, literally the last few weeks, we read reports, Andrew was over there. Excuse me. Andrew was over there and actually found it being bricked up, so you can't actually go back in there now. But the reason that I found that so interesting, because a few months later, in March of last year, they discovered potentially all this stuff under the Giza Plateau, which interestingly, the tomb of the birds and Collins Caves, or NC2 it's called, leads to, so almost in that direction, towards the central pyramid.

• 9:39AJ Gentile?

  Is this the research from the Italian group? So it's kind of correlates with what you found?

• 9:43Speaker 03

  It does, weirdly, yeah. And this is what was so interesting. I mean, and there's a lot more going on under the Giza Plateau. I mean, it's known about, you know, there's a lot of stuff known about under the Giza Plateau. It's not just, you know, what the Italians have discovered. There's the Osiris shaft, there's, there's chambers underneath the Valley Temple and the Sphinx Temple that Robert Temple had been looking at. Um, there's the whole kind of Sphinx area, obviously, under the pore of the Sphinx.

• 10:09AJ Gentile?

  That's right.

• 10:10Speaker 03

  And so it was, it was just to get under there and have this experience of going in to these caves. Really blew my mind. It was, it really got me. And, um, And now no one's ever gonna be able to go in there again. It's a shame. It is a shame. If you had to guess and date that those caves. Well, the thing is, I mean, the front part of it, it's all carved out. This is like created kind of tomb area. Yep. But then the back part is mostly natural. And so I don't even, I think very few people, even in ancient times, knew about that. I think that was like a very secret. So what Andrew writes about is a very secret, maybe an initiatory area. Where people will go into, you know, some initiations or rites of passage and things like this. We really don't know. And so, you know, there's something, you know, something odd going on there.

• 10:56Speaker 03

  And the fact that they bricked it up suggests they don't want anyone else going in there. It is a safety issue as well. It's pretty dangerous because right at the end. You have to kind of, if you want to go any further, you have to kind of go down this kind of almost, it's called the tube. And I can't, I can't fit down there. Andrew could have fit down there. A small person could probably squeeze down there. You might be able to get in there. Next time. Too claustrophobic, I can't do it. And then that leads further along. Does this connect all the way to Caffres? Well, it's in that direction. That's interesting. Yeah. And some scans, even there was actually some similar SAR type scans done back in two thousand and eight. And it seems to indicate that it does lead towards Caffres Pyramid. And so it could be connected with that discovery that was made there.

• 11:39Speaker 03

  Has anyone done GPR in that area to confirm? There has been some done, yeah. Um, I think more needs to be done, a lot more. Uh, because there needs to be verification of what was going on there because we have, you know, the, the SAR scan technology is very controversial. This is Filippo Bionde, Armando May and, uh, other team members. And they found potentially outrageous depths of these kind of cylindrical chambers going down. Towards these giant square chambers and other features. But. Someone needs to go on that in an official capacity with GPR technology and just go round the Giza Plateau just to verify, you know, what they've discovered because they've had

• 12:21Speaker 03

  other people using the similar technology and finding the same things as them as well. That's come out recently.

• 12:27AJ Gentile?

  I think, um, Tomb of the Birds came up because I was, I was studying the Hawara Labyrinth.

• 12:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 12:33AJ Gentile?

  And it, it's, once again, I don't know why we're not prioritizing exploring these places. They, they seem to be the most important discoveries on earth.

• 12:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think with Egypt, it's like, there's so many sites. You can just, when you, you know, it's overwhelming when you go there. I can't, it's hard to cope with and they're so magnificent, all of them, pretty much.

• 12:52AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 12:53Speaker 03

  So I can understand why they're kind of hesitant. Also, there's a lot of political stuff there. There's a lot of kind of issues with permissions. It's all very, there's lots of bureaucracy. But when it comes to getting under the Giza Plateau, there's, there's a lot of water there. You can't go down that far anywhere. It'd be a huge amount of pumping to get it out. Hawara, on the other hand, is interesting, but it's all collapsed. I mean, you can see like the shape of some of the labyrinth when you go there.

• 13:19AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 13:19Speaker 03

  It's all collapsed. It's all so much sand on top of it.

• 13:22AJ Gentile?

  And flooded, I think.

• 13:23Speaker 03

  Flooded as well because you've got, you've got the water level there as well. You've got, you've got canals that have been carved right through it. And so just to get down there, again, it's a huge pumping situation, huge amount of money and effort. Uh, but there are teams now, independent teams, looking at that, connected with the SARS Scan people. A gentleman called Trevor Grassi has been focused on that as well. And so, you know, let's see what happens. Let's see what happens because I'm sure it kind of has to be done. That's, that's the great thing about the internet nowadays because you can like, you put pressure, you know, into like, you know, what should be looked at, partly what happened at Gobekli Tepe, which we're going to get into.

• 13:56AJ Gentile?

  We are.

• 13:56Speaker 03

  You know, and so that's another place that, you know, that needs to be, you know, it feels like, why are people going so slow? Why are people kind of digging down, getting on with it? But there's always reasons why they can't do everything immediately.

• 14:09AJ Gentile?

  Well, before we go to Turkey, let's, let's speculate for just a second. Did the Egyptians build the pyramids or did they find those?

• 14:16Speaker 03

  That's a good question. That's one of the big, big unknowns. I mean, you look at the, the technology to create that. It's outrageous. I mean, I, I personally think the people who built Gobekli Tepe, they were, they were somehow connected with the people who built the pyramids because Gobekli Tepe has got the same kind of quality, the abstract construction.

• 14:38Speaker 03

  Absolutely superb quality of stoneworking. And I think there's some connection there because they found they found connections between these two areas. Going back to the time of Gobekli Tepe. Now, whether they were built. Official dates of what, two and a half thousand, two thousand six hundred B C. That's a whole other question because you've got people like Professor Robert Temple. He's done some surface luminescence dating on some of the stones or some of the pyramids on the Giza Plateau. And actually found dates of at least a few hundred years earlier. So then that discounts.

• 15:11AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 15:11Speaker 03

  Those pharaohs who are credited with doing it. So then that raises more questions, even if it's just a few hundred years. That disputes the whole thing. But. I think they could be much older. I think actually the underground areas. Are much older and the pyramids may have been added slightly. Later, you know, towards the official dates. That's just my opinion. More research obviously is being done out there, so.

• 15:36AJ Gentile?

  So where do you where do you stand on like on Robert Schock's research on the Sphinx and John Anthony West?

• 15:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think that's really interesting. Yeah, yeah, that the water erosion.

• 15:44AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 15:44Speaker 03

  Around the kind of channels around the kind of Sphinx pit, which is really, really interesting, actually.

• 15:51AJ Gentile?

  It looks like water to me.

• 15:52Speaker 03

  It does. It does. And I think that he was pushing for dates, you know, going back to the time of. Gobekli Tepe, like eleven, twelve thousand years ago at some point.

• 16:01AJ Gentile?

  Younger dry as flood.

• 16:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, and there's more, but it was much more lush back then.

• 16:05AJ Gentile?

  Mm hmm.

• 16:06Speaker 03

  The whole area. And so you can imagine. There's a lot more water and also there were there were channels like kind of going all the way up to each of the pyramids anyway. There's water right there, right next to it. So. I think it is quite plausible that it's that old. And I think, again, I think if anything on the Giza Plateau. Connects with Gobekli Tepe is probably the Sphinx and what was going on underground as well.

• 16:28AJ Gentile?

  Have I heard you speculate that the Sphinx is maybe a leopard and not a lion?

• 16:32Speaker 03

  That's something I have speculated about.

• 16:34AJ Gentile?

  What, why would you think that? That's just very interesting. I haven't heard that before.

• 16:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, because, okay, you've got, um, there's a few things. I mean, this is, this goes back to Karahane Tepe.

• 16:44AJ Gentile?

  Mm-hmm.

• 16:44Speaker 03

  Because, which is 11,400 years old, southeast Turkey, it's one of the sister sites to Gobekli Tepe. There's a lot of leopard symbolism there. There's also, um, and it's the same era potentially as the Sphinx, if we're looking at these old dates, because I know Graham Hancock and others in shock and John Anthony West. They were saying that the Sphinx faces the rising of the equinox and Leo in 10,500 B.C.

• 17:14AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 17:15Speaker 03

  Because that's what would rise on the equinox, is part of the whole processional kind of cycle. And I thought that was really intriguing because at Karahane Tepe, you have leopard symbolism everywhere. Not lion, leopard. You get it at Gobekli Tepe, you get it all the sites. It's very strong symbol found there. And when we found our winter solstice alignment, we also believe we've possibly found an equinox alignment as well.

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• 18:25Speaker 03

  Because the head that we've been researching that has the light get on the head and illuminate it on the solstice of the winter solstice actually faces east, looking towards the rising of the equinox and Leo. So we speculate that it could be leopard to the people of Tastepal or the Karahane Tepe, Gobekli Tepe people. Also, if you go to Egypt, you look at the old gods of Egypt like Thoth or Tahuti.

• 18:50AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 18:51Speaker 03

  Um, his consort or wife, Seshat, she was, you know, an architect. She was supposed to be an architect. She was also into metrology, measurements and geometry, things like this. And she was always wearing a leopard skin outfit. She was the leopard lady almost.

• 19:10AJ Gentile?

  I didn't know that.

• 19:10Speaker 03

  Yeah. So you have this leopard connection with ancient Egypt and possibly then, you know, and it was quite strong back then. I mean, there's other leopard symbolism and lion symbolism back then, obviously. But so there could be, why does it have to be a lion? Why can't it be a leopard? Why can't it? It could be Anubis, a dog. This is what Robert Temple suggests. So I think there's, it's possible. But again, we've got no clear evidence of that. It's just speculation at the moment because it's somehow it's got this makes it connect with Gobekli Tepe and Karahane Tepe.

• 19:41AJ Gentile?

  So with Gobekli, um, can you just paint the picture for us? 1963 discovery, they think it's gravestones and then 1994 with Klaus Schmidt. And what was that like?

• 19:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's, yeah, because so back in the sixties, we had Peter Benedict and there was a team of archaeologists doing kind of surveys or scans, walking around the landscape and they found Gobekli Tepe. That's what's so strange. They found some stones lying around. They thought they were kind of gravestones, Islamic gravestones or Byzantine kind of ruins. Didn't think anything of it. It wasn't until Klaus Schmidt, German archaeologist, who was doing work at a site called Navali Çuri, and also another site called Gerçut Tepe, I think as well, and a couple of other places. And he noticed, because of his research at Navali Çuri, which we can get into, this is the site I want to talk about. They found, he found the symbolism was the same, and so this is probably the same era.

• 20:39Speaker 03

  But when he looked at the hill, he could see it was a huge artificial hill, you know, like a male or a tepe or a hoyek, you call it in other parts of Turkey, and realised there was something significant going on there. And the family who owned the site found these two statues there and actually presented them to the museum. And one of them was this very fertility, there's a guy with the erect phallus, and they were kind of embarrassed by it, you know, they gave it to the museum, the museum wouldn't take it, there was all this debate about it. There was another sort of top of a T pillar, kind of broken, with a kind of lizard coming off it in 3D relief. And when he saw those in the museum, he said, where did these come from? Found out where they came from, got to the site in 1994, and eventually thought, right,

• 21:23Speaker 03

  something going on there, we need to kind of get into this. And this is when they started the excavation, I think 1995.

• 21:29AJ Gentile?

  Why didn't, why did he not publish or go public with that for a few years?

• 21:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, it didn't, it didn't come out to the year 2000. I don't know, that I don't know. I think in archaeological circles, it was being talked about, but I think they just wanted to make sure what they got was valid. It took a lot of work to get even down to the first layers, because it's so heavily buried. That's the thing about these sites, they're buried, properly buried, that's why they're so well preserved.

• 21:54AJ Gentile?

  Right. Why has only a small percentage of Gobekli been excavated all this time?

• 21:59Speaker 03

  This, that's another good point. I mean, when it comes to Gobekli Tepe, it's a huge site, we're talking multi-acre site, it's massive. And so it's very deep, it's buried, so there's a huge amount of debris and rubble, and they have to do it so carefully. I mean, they've removed thousands of tonnes already, that's the thing, people don't realise how much they've removed. I can show you a couple of, just so people can get a sense of this, we can have a look at a couple of images of Gobekli Tepe.

• 22:27AJ Gentile?

  While you're pulling that up, how do you feel about the intentionally buried theory?

• 22:32Speaker 03

  Was it? That's another good question. Uh, when it comes to Quebec Le Tepe, there was what is known as a slope slide occurred. So you've got the enclosure there at the top of the image there, that's enclosure D. Mm hmm. And all around that, after Quebec Le Tepe was constructed in nine thousand six hundred B C for about fifteen hundred years, it started growing almost like a settlement. So structures were being built up on the hill just above it. So eventually they caved in at some point and actually filled in some of the larger enclosures. And then this was then later covered over, rebuilt on, then covered over again. And then when they eventually decided to leave, they covered the whole site.

• 23:12Speaker 03

  And so there is definitely deliberate burial, but also some accidental accidental burial as well. These slope slides that happened. Were they trying to preserve it? At the end of it, yes. I mean, that's, that's, that's the unusual thing because I think there's a bit of both. I think the idea's changed through this whole timeframe, this fifteen hundred year timeframe, and they would accidental burial, they, they still preserved it though. Even before they buried it, they put artifacts, statues in place, they re-erected and repaired T pillars, put everything back and then filled it in. And so it was like a strange, but other places like Carahantepay, they deliberately smashed up parts of it and then buried it, almost ritually decommissioned it. Okay.

• 23:55Speaker 03

  So you get that as well. You get this broken element to it, then it's buried. And but, but whereas certain parts of Carahantepay are preserved because that's what they wanted to make sure people could see. And this is where we get to the winter solstice thing we'll talk about shortly. But so I think there's a bit of, but I mean, if you look at this image, this just shows you, um,

• 24:15Speaker 03

  what we've got here. Yeah, this just shows you the kind of site. That's a site there. That's, that's the main area. This is like the southeast quad, southeast depression, they call it. Where a few, a few of the, they're like sixty feet wide each. And then if you look at the main site here. This is the GPR scan they did of the site and these are all the other enclosures they haven't even uncovered yet. Would that push the date back if they got, went deeper? Could be. I mean, the thing is though, they have got to bedrock already. So, and that's where they're getting the 9600 B.C. date. Okay. But before Klaus Schmidt died, he claimed, and he said this to me and Andrew when we were there once, he said that he thinks they're gonna find stuff going into the Ice Age there. Wow.

• 24:56Speaker 03

  14,000 years ago. And now other sites in the area are older than Gobekli Tepe now. They're finding sites like Kecakmak Tepe, which is actually not too far away. There's sites up near the Tigris River, hundreds of miles away. Called Bonchoklitala and a couple of other places. I was gonna ask you about that. Tarla's older, yes? Some are older, yeah. They don't have the big T pillars. That's what distinguishes Gobekli Tepe. So compared to other sites, that's actually, that's when I first went there, before they built the roof over it. That's murderers row right there. Yeah, you've got me, Graham Hancock and Andrew Collins, obviously.

• 25:31Speaker 03

  And this is like back in 2013 when I first visited there. So, actually when Graham first visited there as well. And it's an absolutely fascinating place. And this is just a scan I got of one, this is an enclosure de, relatively recently, a few months ago. They've actually cleared more of it now. So, these giant T pillars were actually kind of found like this, but with all the rubble around it, holding them all up in place. And so, a lot of it was preserved. That's what's so interesting to me, you know, they actually preserved this. And the bedrock, they cut down into the bedrock and created the floors and the curbs around the edge, which they would slot T pillars into. And I think all these walls that you see here, these small brick walls, they were added later, in my opinion. Yep.

• 26:17Speaker 03

  Because I think there was, it was very, everything was balanced, it was kind of held in place, maybe by certain types of scaffolding or other stones. So, is that floor level and polished? It is level, yeah. It's level. And this is pre-pottery? Yep. And they also, and some of the floors, I'm not sure what the next image, some of the floors, I saw the astronomy. But some of the floors are actually made of what's called terrazzo. Now, this is like a lime cement. And this is outrageous. You have to get, you have to heat it up to like eight hundred and fifty degrees, you know, just to kind of get it hot to create this lime, this lime cement called terrazzo. And they thought the Romans invented that. That was, you know, because they're pretty smart, the Romans.

• 26:55Speaker 03

  But now they found it going back to nine thousand, or even actually older than that. Older sites have terrazzo as well. So some of the floors are, are flattened limestone carved out the solid rock. And other, other floors, some of the other areas are actually like made of this kind of very waterproof cement called terrazzo. And so that's, that's insane. It's that they were doing that and they were making it waterproof, which is interesting.

• 27:18AJ Gentile?

  It is.

• 27:19Speaker 03

  Because and like you see on here, you can see the curb around the edge, you know, um, and so they could have had water in here. And it would have stayed in there, you know, it wouldn't have drained away unless they chose to drain it away through certain holes that they created. So that's another interesting element of these sites.

• 27:34AJ Gentile?

  Is there controversy right now about um Turkey holding up excavation? I've heard that.

• 27:39Speaker 03

  There is, there is, uh, there has been some controversy. There's um a gentleman called Jimmy Corsetti of Bright Insight. I, I know him quite well, actually. I've been assisting him with some of his research. He looked into this because they, they slowed down excavation there dramatically, but they, but when, but then we realized they were building infrastructure. They got funding from the W E F, which is a bit dodgy in my opinion.

• 28:03AJ Gentile?

  It is.

• 28:03Speaker 03

  And they are focused on building a whole tourism thing there as well. So it's an investment project as well. They've got to monetize it and make it work for them because it costs a lot to excavate these sites. It's not, it's not a cheap process. And when they see how much there is to do now. My God, it's outrageous amount you actually got to do. Um, so

• 28:25Speaker 03

  technically they have slowed down the excavation and because they were doing all these other things and now they're going to restart the excavations this year and get back into it. They've cleared away the olive trees. Which were damaging the ruins potentially. This is something that Jimmy Corsetti campaigned against and potentially he may have even changed their mind on it because he, he's, he, he's like, he's full on, you know what I mean?

• 28:46AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, Jimmy didn't make a lot of friends there.

• 28:47Speaker 03

  No, you don't make a lot. Yeah. He went out there though and got to see and filmed everything and got access to stuff and that was.

• 28:53AJ Gentile?

  It was outrageous. His, his video was outrageous.

• 28:55Speaker 03

  It is, yeah. Him, him and uh, um, give a shout out to Mike Collins of Wandering Wolf as well because he also was there and he did a lot of the research with him. And they kind of looked at all this and like, and they've actually now moved the olive trees. And so whether Jimmy made that happen, or whether it was their long-term plan is still a bit unclear about, but it happened. So it's a win either way.

• 29:14AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 29:14Speaker 03

  Yeah. And so now they've got no excuse not to get down there now and start doing some excavation. They've now announced they will be doing some. And so whether that's due to the pressure, or whether it's just something they had in mind anyway, I think there was a lot of, the archaeologists were responding to the pressure. And so I think they may have, of course, some changes there. So it's, it's great, you know, the stuff's happening. And I can't wait to see what else is going on there. I mean, because when you consider how little has been excavated, and what has been excavated is mind blowing already.

• 29:44AJ Gentile?

  It really is.

• 29:45Speaker 03

  So what, what else are they gonna find?

• 29:46AJ Gentile?

  So if they can't go deeper because the bedrock is, is it just gonna keep getting wider? Is this a whole complex?

• 29:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:53AJ Gentile?

  And who?

• 29:54Speaker 03

  This is it.

• 29:54AJ Gentile?

  What was it used for?

• 29:55Speaker 03

  Let's jump back to this.

• 29:56AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 29:56Speaker 03

  This is, I mean, this is how big it is. I mean, you look at like the bottom right there, that's what's kind of been excavated. So we had these enclosures, you've got enclosure D at the top, on the right there, you've got enclosure C, which is like a double enclosure, it's like a double stone circle. And all the other ones, this whole scanned area, are places they've only just started excavating. And so there's a lot more to find. And they're now finding outside of this as well, because they found, because they're, you know, when this was all being built, this was probably like a series of stone circles, no one living up there. And then over time, over a few hundred years, people were turning up, they go, whoa, whoever built this is, I want to be around this, this is where to be. And they built this settlement around it. And so there's all these structures built up

• 30:39Speaker 03

  around it. So it's like, it's like a village, like a small town.

• 30:42AJ Gentile?

  Have they found evidence of dwellings, cooking?

• 30:45Speaker 03

  Potentially, yeah. They're now saying that. This is one of the things that, there's a big debate for many years, but now, it's like I said, it seems like initially, there was no one really there. They were coming in from Shandlarfa, this is where all the, you have a water source there, you have rivers and springs there, have caves there, people are also, you know, living in as well. That's only half a day's walk, it's only a few miles away. You get there in half a day and back in the same day, you know, to Quebec, Lee Tepe. So it's not too far. And then I think eventually they got tired of going back and forth, and they started building these smaller square structures, which you see kind of around the edge. And they're the ones that actually collapsed in later.

• 31:22AJ Gentile?

  Hmm.

• 31:23Speaker 03

  But even they had tea pillars inside them, which is odd. And so are they really domestic? Are they actually, were people actually living there? One, one of the theories that we're developing and kind of looking at as a, as a possibility is that there's all these sites now. I mean, we can actually look at if we, if we jump back to, oh, I need to go back to the first one, just to show you, just to give you an extent of what is going on here.

• 31:49Speaker 03

  This is it. These are all some of the sites that are being excavated. So it's called Tastepola. That's, I call it the Tastepola super civilization. That's my kind of term I use.

• 31:58AJ Gentile?

  I love it.

• 31:58Speaker 03

  And there's 12 sites potentially, but there's many more. It could be 38, it could be 100. You know, these are the two numbers we've heard. And whether, so I don't know if people lived at one site. I think they may have travelled around the different sites through the year. And they built a bow to anyone could stay in at different times. And it was a kind of like carrying on from the hunter gatherer tradition where you would move around to different sites. Cause they know they were doing that in before this, earlier than the Gobekli Tepe, in the Levant.

• 32:28AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 32:28Speaker 03

  There were Natufian sites down there, going back to 14,000, 15,000 years ago. And they, they didn't have permanent settlements, but they built places and then would move to another place for hunting grounds and migrations and plants they were collecting. And then make their way back over the year. So it could have been a pilgrimage route between these different sites. Cause you have exactly the same symbolism, T-shaped pillars, style, statues, even burials now they're finding, all are the same style. And it's almost like the builders of Gobekli Tepe, the first sites that were put there, they were, everything then was duplicated, nothing changed. It was almost like they came in perfect.

• 33:13Speaker 03

  Nothing changed. It's, it's strange. It's like, you'd think there'd be a development of different styles and other such things, but the style maintained itself.

• 33:21AJ Gentile?

  Yeah. It's almost like a TGI Fridays. They just build it like prefab. Like it's the same.

• 33:26Speaker 03

  Yeah. It's almost like a franchise.

• 33:27AJ Gentile?

  It's like a franchise.

• 33:29Speaker 03

  That's what it feels like. I mean, it's, it's very, it's very bizarre because, and, and some, a lot of these sites, you can actually, we did some analysis of this. You could, if you stand at the top of one site, cause they're often up on top quite high places and not only, but Some of them, you can see the peak of the other hill in the distance and then to another place. So it's almost like they were aware of each other going across the entire landscape as well. Which could have been astronomical, they could have been sighting themselves astronomically, they could have been lighting beacons certain times of year. They could say everyone could see each other. We don't know, but it's really, really intriguing when you realize it's not just one site. Gobekli Tepe, which has been five percent excavated, all these sites, and a lot of them are now being excavated. Karahantepi has got a lot of excavation being done.

• 34:14Speaker 03

  Sefer Tepe, you've got a few other sites like Sebirch and others. But why so many sites? I mean, this is why I believe this was the world's first civilization, or what I call a super civilization. Because the elements of civilization were different back then. They didn't necessarily have writing as we know it. They may not have had certain things you class as civilization, but they had other things going on. You know, ritualistic elements, the geometry, the metrology, astronomy, which were highly advanced, especially for this time.

• 34:46AJ Gentile?

  Sure, I mean, I know there's not a lot of writing, but the metrology and the astronomy speaks to engineering. That there's intentional engineering happening at these sites. So clearly they had to communicate, they had to pass this information down somehow. Are we finding any of that? Like, here's how to do this.

• 35:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, I'm finding, that's what I'm writing about at the moment, actually. I'm finding, you know, there are connections that have been made in other parts of the world now, is what you mean, going across other areas.

• 35:16AJ Gentile?

  Right, like if you look at the Ed Fu text and stuff, it's like, here's how we built this.

• 35:20Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, no, I mean, it's very, there's very little, one of the clues about how they built stuff is the quarries. What we're finding there a lot is like in Gobekli Tepe and at Karahantepi, there's an area, they kind of leave, they leave a half-finished T-shaped pillar. You know, actually in situ, which is really, really interesting. I mean, I'm not sure if I've got an image of it here, but that really intrigues me. Because if you've got that going on, then that suggests that, I don't think I've got an image actually, but that suggests that. No, I don't have one right there, sorry. But that shows you that they were leaving certain things at the site or near the site to say, hey, this is how we did it. Right. This is where we got the stone from.

• 36:04Speaker 03

  This is the birthplace of this temple you're looking at. You know, this is like really important. I've actually written a few articles about that because you have that with like Aswan Quarry, biggest obelisk in the whole area of Egypt is left in the quarry half finished. You get it on Easter Island, the biggest Moai statue is still in the quarry half finished. You get it at Baalbek, the biggest stones there, 1,650 tonnes are still in the quarry unfinished. Right. Same with Gobekli Tepe, same with Karahane Tepe. And so there's like, almost like a tradition of you leave the biggest stone or evidence of how they did it in the quarry as a little kind of mark saying, this is where this came from. Like a maker's mark. Yeah, this is like, it's almost a Masonic thing. Right. You could see it like that because masons do that as well, apparently. Um, there's places in.

• 36:51Speaker 04

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• 37:35Speaker 03

  Bible lands that have all this kind of tradition as well. When you look at some of the quarries there, and I find that really intriguing. And so, but also you've got to remember that they're mainly built with limestone as well. So it's relatively, relatively, it's still impossible for me or you to do it probably. But they were building with limestone, you could cut it, you could cut it with the tools they had. Um, relatively easily. But when you get into the intricate stylings of everything, it's like, oh my God. I mean, how did they come up with this? But. Where's the legacy of that? It's almost like it emerged, it blasted out of nowhere, right at the end of the last ice age, just after the Younger Dryas, and boom, here we go. It's almost like, but we've now, what we're doing for mine and JJ's book, it's JJ Ainsworth,

• 38:18Speaker 03

  my partner or my co-author I'm working with, we're looking at the kind of lead up to that, where it all came from.

• 38:24AJ Gentile?

  That's where the big questions are.

• 38:25Speaker 03

  How it all came to be. And, and people aren't going to like what we say. I mean, because we're not, we're not super out there, you know, we're not super controversial. I really believe these hunter-gatherers were a different class of people that people don't realise. There were, there were elite groups within these hunter-gatherers that are often not talked about, but they were the ones who had this high level of knowledge and it was passed down generationally. And they were super advanced and they were, also I think they were taking various substances. You could say psychedelics.

• 38:58AJ Gentile?

  We're going to get into that. And I think in one of your books, don't you talk about secret societies back then?

• 39:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And yeah, I've written about that in a couple of papers, articles that I've written because you look into hunter-gatherer societies, you, you go back far enough, even into the Paleolithic times, I might have an image of that as well, there's a couple of images, that you can actually find evidence going way, way back of these kind of societies going back to the Paleolithic era, which um suggests that they were very advanced back then.

• 39:32AJ Gentile?

  Oh, yeah, the hatchmarks.

• 39:34Speaker 03

  These are, this is Alexander Marchak, and he, this is like, this is like counting, this is like numerology, this is astronomy, counting the moons and things like this. And there's certain things they were doing way back in Paleolithic, you're going back 40,000 years, some of these places, suggesting that they had advanced understanding of astronomy and the solstices, you know, which is where we get to Karahanteppe eventually, we're going to look at that. And they seem to be obsessed by it. There was this thing that they were actually aligning many of their caves, let me just find the right one here, they were aligned, you even see at Karahanteppe itself, actually.

• 40:14Speaker 03

  This is actually the top of Carahanteppe, they have all these etchings at the top of the hill, you're not allowed to go up there anymore. And below, at Sepia Teppe as well, you find these etchings, very similar to the Paleolithic etching. So you see this lineage of information

• 40:28AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 40:28Speaker 03

  coming from the Paleolithic Europe. And they traditionally had, hunter-gatherer groups traditionally have secret societies as their kind of leaders, their ritual adept leaders, who were like, there were different groups within different hierarchical societies. And this goes back tens of thousands of years, people don't realise this. They weren't just randomly going around hunting and gathering, they were organised, they planned things, they chose specific caves that are aligned. So the entrances would have light coming through on the summer solstice morning, or the winter solstice sunset, or something like this.

• 41:02AJ Gentile?

  Which would take generations just to observe that pattern.

• 41:04Speaker 03

  Exactly, exactly. And this is actually La Scaule, for instance.

• 41:08AJ Gentile?

  I was going to ask you about that.

• 41:09Speaker 03

  This is the most famous cave, for example, in France, you know, in the Dordoyen Valley of France. I managed to, luckily, went here this summer, I got found a family holiday which turned into a full-on exploration, much to the disdain of my family. But that's what happened. And this one is aligned to summer solstice sunset. Now, they're not aligned, it wasn't built like that, but they chose their caves and entrances and put their paintings in specific spots where it would illuminate only on the solstices at that time of year. And there was a lot of research done on this, and they found that a majority of the caves there, not only did they align to the solstices, they were chosen because they had this passageway that would illuminate the whole passageway on that particular time of the year.

• 41:55Speaker 03

  But also, paintings were put in spots where they would get illuminated, or carvings were placed there. And so much so, that this analysis was done by these amazing French researchers.

• 42:06AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 42:07Speaker 03

  And they found that, this is all scientifically analysed, this was all published in academic papers. And they found that more often than not, you know, there's no way this could be chance. You have the winter solstice mainly, plus the summer solstice and the equinoxes.

• 42:23Speaker 03

  Aligned caves and illuminations taking place. This is actually a map of all the different caves, where they were and how they're aligned. And that really blew my mind because this knowledge was going on potentially forty thousand years ago, right up until the time of Gobekli Tepe. And then now we're finding it there, very similar ideas, very similar principles. And so you could see that there's a legacy of knowledge going back into the Paleolithic Europe era, but also they were much older cultures in different areas coming down from the Russian steppes, coming up from the Levant, even in Egypt, the Nuthufians and other such peoples who had different types of knowledge, like the Nuthufians, for instance, they understood geometry, they even understood standard

• 43:07Speaker 03

  units of measure and construction techniques and building into the bedrock and things like this, which they weren't supposed to know about fourteen thousand to fifteen thousand years ago. So they were smart people as well. And they were like starting to kind of, kind of have settlements, but not. They were kind of moving around, as I said earlier, like pilgrimage routes, following the different migrations of animals, but choosing sites and specific areas where they could take measurements of the sky, they could like, they would be building a certain manner, align and orient things in a certain way. So it would kind of continue their traditions. And that, that is really, that really blew my mind. When you start looking earlier than Gobekli Tepe, you find all these elements in place. And there's actually a very Nuthufian site right near

• 43:52Speaker 03

  Gobekli Tepe. This is what we mentioned earlier, Chakmak Tepe. That again, it's got Nuthufian stylings to it. Because it's got like, it's got like holes around the edge where wooden poles could have had roof supports like the Nuthufians used to do.

• 44:05AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 44:06Speaker 03

  So you get things like this going on. So yeah, the more you get into it, the more you dig into the kind of academic papers, there's nuggets of information in there, which kind of a lot of people haven't heard about.

• 44:16AJ Gentile?

  Well, let's take a quick break. And when we come back, I want to talk about Karahan Tepe, Solstice 2021, where you almost got yourself into some trouble. Be right back. So before we jump into Karahan Tepe and you're almost arrested by the Turkish government, I wanted your quick take on Darren Cuyu, the underground cities of Kabadokia, who built those, how long, what were they used for?

• 44:37Speaker 03

  They're very intricate. Yeah, the underground cities of Turkey are amazing, really. Yeah, the most famous one, as you said, Deren Kuyu, this is in the whole Kabidokya area. This is, it goes multiple levels down. They've got these huge rooms, all these different floors.

• 44:53Speaker 03

  It's quite intricate, actually, some of it. There's, actually, that's one of many, though. There's like 200, at least, of that size. That, I mean, 20,000 people got in there. Yeah, I mean, there's at least 200, it could be hundreds more. They're finding them now, not too far from Gebekli Tepe. This is what's in a town called Midyat, it's kind of in between Gebekli Tepe and the Tigris area, where you get like Kortik Tepe and Bonçoklutar, these other sites which were a bit older than Gebekli Tepe. They're finding them there, they're finding them now in Konya as well, where you have Châtele Hoyak nearby, which is a seven and a half thousand year old site. But these underground cities are officially only a couple of thousand, 3,000 max years old. Some of them are attributed to the Hittites. Mm-hmm.

• 45:36Speaker 03

  Some are attributed to the Byzantine people, even the Christian era. But at Deren Kuyu itself, as you, when you go and investigate them, you can actually see the first couple of levels are more intricately carved than the lower ones. Because the lower ones are later, as they dig down, it's later in time. The first ones, though, the first ones they carved out, and they're more intricately done, there's a different quality to them. You can see that they've done it all with like natural tools. But when you get a bit lower, you start to see metal tools have carved them out. Right. So the first layers, it could be super ancient. And one of the primary investigators there, many, many years ago, tried to work out where all the stone went. Where did it all go? Where did it end up?

• 46:21Speaker 03

  And he found a riverbed, where he found loads of the limestone, had been chucked in there, the rubble, the kind of dust and everything else, and found Paleolithic tools in there. Wow. And Mesolithic tools. So we're talking like, and he thinks they could be really old, going into the Ice Age. So that's what's so interesting about them. And also that it could be with this whole kind of cataclysm event, you know, the whole Younger Dryas and all this, which was, you know, Gebekli Tepe was built within a couple of hundred years at the end of that kind of whole drama. That... Could these have been places where people were hiding out when major cataclysms were taking place up on the surface, which were known to have been happening in that part of the world? I mean, so I think there's something in both of those ideas. I mean,

• 47:04Speaker 03

  this is all discussion at the moment. No one's really sure. But the fact that some of them are now being found closer and closer to the whole Tasteppler supercivilization area, I think that's gonna, they're gonna find correlations between them, especially now, because what we're gonna look at shortly is Karahanteppe. They're digging into the ground, that they're subterranean elements, even in Tasteppler itself. And so, they were building into the ground right there at some of the sites. We, in fact, even discovered a tunnel there, at one of the sites, that we're not allowed to kind of talk about too much, but we made a video, but didn't give the location away.

• 47:41AJ Gentile?

  An artificial tunnel?

• 47:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, we're talking a hundred meters, what, two or three hundred feet dug into the ground.

• 47:47AJ Gentile?

  I never heard that.

• 47:48Speaker 03

  Solid rock.

• 47:48AJ Gentile?

  For what purpose?

• 47:50Speaker 03

  No one knows. They say it's a well, but when we looked at it, it was like, whoa, hang on a sec, what on earth is this? And so that's actually, that's actually our site that's starting to excavate as well. So they're gonna probably find it anyway, but we got to know the locals and the family. And it's very similar to like Derenkuu, it's very similar to that idea of underground elements being constructed at these sites. And so there is actually a connection now between Tasteppler and the underground cities.

• 48:18AJ Gentile?

  The underground fascinate me because of the intentionality of them, how the giant stones are there for protection, bringing fresh water up, bringing fresh air down.

• 48:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:27AJ Gentile?

  Animal husbandry happening in lower levels. It's just, it's very intricate.

• 48:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, and you have them rolling doors, like the big circular doors. And so they would roll them back and forth into place, they're like giant stone discs. And some of those have been found in caves at, in Shanlafa, right near, right in the center of the whole area of Tasteppler. And so, there's actually caves there, they're quite famous, they're all along where the river used to run in Shanlafa. There's actually a couple of caves that have these circular discs. And I'm just like, hang on a sec. Could these then be as old as Gobekli Tepe? Is this where the people were living? You know, and is it the same, and the same ideas were then transported to different parts of Turkey as well? And so, yeah, there's a lot more going on than people realise in that area.

• 49:12AJ Gentile?

  How many people were living there at the time?

• 49:15Speaker 03

  In Şanlırfa?

• 49:16AJ Gentile?

  In this whole area, I mean, these are thousands, hundreds of thousands of people.

• 49:21Speaker 03

  I mean, when it comes, right, this is what's one of the big debates about the whole Tastepola region. Because Şanlırfa itself had not only a river running through it, very strong river. There was a super lush area. It had all these caves where people were living in just above the river. It had springs, there's four sacred springs that now feed what are known as the Pools of Abraham, where all the sacred carp are. You have the Cave of Abraham as well, where he was said to have been born, which is all carved out in a weird way, and there's a lot of water in it. And it makes you wonder if all these kind of biblical sites in Şanlırfa were actually adapted from the whole Tastepola region. And because there was actually a site in Şanlırfa itself called Yemenahale.

• 50:06Speaker 03

  This is where the Earthman statue was found, or the Beliklakol statue. And that's got obsidian eyes, no mouth, it's kind of in this sort of pose with a stump for its legs where it would have been placed in a prominent position.

• 50:18AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 50:19Speaker 03

  With this phallus kind of out with a V-neck motif or insignia. And so there was a major site in Şanlırfa itself, as well as all the big sites like Gobekli Tepe and Karahan Tepe. So it's a very, and I think most of the people were living around Şanlırfa going back 10, 12,000 years. And then they spread out, or they started building these outer sites that then became settlements themselves. And so, yeah, there's a lot, there's a lot going on in Şanlırfa city itself.

• 50:49AJ Gentile?

  I like Andrew Collins' theory about how the Garden of Eden could have been, could have been a place there.

• 50:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:54AJ Gentile?

  Could have been an actual place.

• 50:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, lots of it lines up, because this is the ancient city of Adessa.

• 51:00AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 51:01Speaker 03

  This is where we have, you know, many of the kind of stories of Adam and Eve and things like that kind of emerged from these kind of zones. And they, you know, there's a lot of debate about that. I mean, Andrew's the expert on all this kind of stuff, but, you know, Şanlırfa is a prominent place. People don't realise that. They think it's just the city that's near Gobekli Tepe, but it's not. There's something going on there as well.

• 51:27AJ Gentile?

  Where are you with, are you finding Sumerian iconography, Anunnaki, that sort of thing? Are you finding that at these sites?

• 51:36Speaker 03

  Well, what JJ has been looking at, and I think Robert Schock and a couple of other people before were looking at the, some of the symbolism is very similar to Hittite or kind of similar type of symbolism, but 7,000 years later, which is odd. And the stories of the Anunnaki and what Klaus Schmidt actually wrote about this in his book, you know, he wrote about that he believes there's some connection with what's called the Dukku mound or the Anunnaki potentially could have been in and around Gobekli Tepe. Something Andrew's written about, something we're going to be looking at from a different perspective because we found lots of the myths and the stories could actually be talking about what was going on in Tasmite region as well.

• 52:22Speaker 03

  And Karahantepi being one of the kind of areas we're focused on because you have all these kind of, kind of fertility myths with Enki and Enlil.

• 52:30AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 52:31Speaker 03

  And, and that, you know, there's lots of fertility symbolism at sites like Karahantepi.

• 52:38AJ Gentile?

  Do you subscribe to some of the more, I don't know, fringe is the wrong word, but some of those out there theories about Anunnaki being alien, hybrid programs?

• 52:46Speaker 03

  That is, I find that fascinating. I mean, trust me, I've read Zachariah Sitzen's books, but I've also read the books of Christian O'Brien.

• 52:53AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 52:54Speaker 03

  And Barbara Joy O'Brien, The Shining Ones, Genius of the Few.

• 52:56AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 52:57Speaker 03

  But they're more my kind of thing. I mean, because even, even in them, you know, his translations of the Sumerian text is still pretty mind blowing.

• 53:06AJ Gentile?

  It is.

• 53:06Speaker 03

  And bizarre. And he, he believes rather than aliens coming down from the sky, their Brian's looked at it more like, more like they were kind of spiritual beings, almost semi-divine, who would almost emerge from the ether and then come into form, which is, it sounds as crazy as aliens does really, but that was his idea. It's the only way he could really explain it because that's how it's kind of described. They were kind of semi-divine that became human to form eventually, then they were creating humans as well.

• 53:37AJ Gentile?

  This sounds a lot like the Book of Enoch as well.

• 53:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, it kind of, it kind of fits in with all that as well.

• 53:43AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 53:43Speaker 03

  It's very odd, yeah, when you start looking into it.

• 53:46AJ Gentile?

  Okay, so December 20th, 2021.

• 53:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 53:49AJ Gentile?

  Were you incarcerated? Were you in that Turkish prison?

• 53:53Speaker 03

  So this is, we're talking about Karahan Tepe now. Yes. Let me just bring up, I wanted to show people this because this, this is what it looked like before it was kind of being excavated. I think we need to kind of see this. This is like some back, I think this was filmed, I got in two thousand and eighteen with full permission from the landowners. So this is this area, the front area there, this is what's all been excavated now. And now. Wow, it looks like nothing. This is somewhat changed. If we look at it now. Oh, my goodness. This is what it looks like. Look at this. So a huge amount has been excavated. And we're talking, a lot of this has been carved into the bedrock as well. We're not just talking,

• 54:35Speaker 03

  you know, built on the bedrock. A lot of it has actually been carved out of the bedrock. They were working with the bedrock in a way that no one else had really done before this. This is an epic shot. Look at this. It's mind blowing. But yeah, so this is a, this is an area of the site. This is called the Pitch Shrine or Structure AA. And the other one there with the serpent tail with all the pillars, that's Structure AB or the Pillar Shrine. And then you've got the main enclosure it leads into, which is like seventy feet wide, called Structure AD. Now, if you notice on the right there, that's all carved out of bedrock because it's going up a hill to one side. Whereas all the others, there would have been eighteen T pillars around the edge.

• 55:15Speaker 03

  Five of them carved out of bedrock with those benches. And so it's a huge amount of work. They've got kind of carvings, wells and other such things in it. But really what kind of grabbed us was this area here. This is called, what, Structure AB or the Pillar Shrine. But these, there's ten of these pillars. This is all carved out of bedrock, which is unheard of at this time. And then one freestanding pillar, which is almost like the shape of a serpent. On the back western wall, you've got this head, it's about this big, emerging out, carved again out of the bedrock. It's absolutely insane. When you, when you kind of look at this, it's just absolutely blows my mind. So this is what we saw when we turned up on December the 20th, 2021.

• 55:58Speaker 03

  Myself and JJ, we had this serendipitous series of events, if you, that's a polite way of putting it. Where we were planning, we heard about it, it had all just been exposed, you know, the first time you could visit it was in like September, October 2021. Our friends had been out there and we were like, Christ, we want to get out there, but we couldn't get out there till December. That was the earliest we could go. And then we heard that they were going to close down the site around Christmas or January. Cause we have, we have sort of a friend who worked in Istanbul University, you kind of give us information, keep us updated quietly. Um, so we got out there for December eventually, eventually we made it there. And I kind of turned up there on the evening of the 19th.

• 56:39Speaker 03

  We, we knew the landowners because I've been visiting there for five or six years previously before it was excavated, as you saw in the, the aerial shots there. And they gave us permission to go in there and fly my drone, just.

• 56:52Speaker 04

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• 57:36Speaker 03

  Briefly to try to get a view of the whole site. And then the military guys who also worked there called Istanbul because they saw someone fly on a drone. And tried to get me in trouble, but I kind of had permission at the same time. But he didn't realise I wasn't supposed to. And so anyway, this whole series of problems started to go. And then I got a call from my friend who owns, you know, the son of a landowner, the guy I flew the drone with. And he said, oh, you can't come tomorrow. Cause and we had to go tomorrow because JJ hadn't been there yet. I mean, like, we want to see the site when it's sunny and everything. Um, can't come tonight because all the officials are turning up. If you turn up, you're going to get arrested, you're going to get in trouble. We're like, really? He said, what? I said, what time will they come? He said, oh, like late morning. I said, well, come early morning. How about that?

• 58:18Speaker 03

  So and they say, but he said, no, they might come early morning. I said, we'll come earlier in the morning. We'll come when it's dark. We don't care. So we got there just as the sun was rising, not realizing we were going to see anything. And suddenly we walk up to the site and we see this head illuminated. And we're like, what the hell? So you didn't plan on a source this visit. You just happened to? Well, we were, we think we were thinking about going there one of the mornings, but we weren't. Didn't know if we were going to discover anything. We checked it all, you know, the maps and everything. We couldn't see anything obvious, but because it, this happens 10 minutes after sunrise. The alignment's slightly different to what you'd expect. Uh, unless we saw, we saw this head getting illuminated. That really kind of got us. And this is kind of what happens.

• 59:00Speaker 03

  The sun was shined through that hole, that car, this is all bedrock, remember? Yeah. And illuminate the stone head for 45 minutes and, and the light would move around the head. And then sort of move around like this and then go down onto the neck over a four, as the sun, so as the light moves around, it goes through that hole. And only that hole, and it becomes, because it's going at a sharp angle. You're actually getting this really thin blade of light. So if it's bedrock, they had to have planned this well in advance. This was master astronomer priestly elites doing, this was outrageous design to come up with this. And then all the symbolism associated with that as well. And it would go through, you know, the sun would rise up, you know, over in that direction.

• 59:43Speaker 03

  You know, the southeast, it would go in between the two T pillars of the main enclosure, sort of right in between them. And then through that hole and then illuminate the stone head. So that really blew our minds when we saw that. We couldn't quite believe it. And this is like the sequence of, of how it gets illuminated now in the modern era. Cause we went back there the following year, went back there this, uh, late last year as well. And but back in 9,400 B.C., the earliest dates they've got for this site. They found, if we checked this all out using stellarium and all these different programs and what worked it all out, the sun would be slightly higher on the head. So it would illuminate it even more perfectly.

• 1:00:21AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 1:00:21Speaker 03

  It was so, it's definitely a deliberate design.

• 1:00:24AJ Gentile?

  So if, so if we're dating this 9400 B.C., then the technology has to predate that by thousands of years, yes?

• 1:00:30Speaker 03

  This is, this is what was developed, I believe, in the Paleolithic era. Because they were measured, they were aligned, they were choosing caves that would align to these solstices. So they had an understanding of it coming into Tastepola before anything was even built there. They must have done. Because you don't by chance just come up with this. Uh, if we look at, this is actually a time lapse. This is fascinating. If you actually look at the head.

• 1:00:53AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:00:53Speaker 03

  Speed it up. You've got it, actually, this is what happens. So we were very fortunate, we managed to get in there. And it actually gets illuminated. And I've got, I've got archaeologists saying, no, no, no. It's, it's just pure chance.

• 1:01:06AJ Gentile?

  Come on.

• 1:01:06Speaker 03

  Pure coincidence. I'm like, man, if this was, if this was on like the 18th of April or something, then it might be a bit, yeah, it could be a weird coincidence. But this is specifically only on the winter solstice where the sun is in its most southerly position on the horizon before it starts moving north across the horizon towards the equinox and the summer solstice. So it's only time of the year it reaches that point, the sun arises, that it, the head gets illuminated. Any other time of year, no light, either light doesn't come through or it goes nowhere near the head. So it has to have been.

• 1:01:40AJ Gentile?

  It has to have been.

• 1:01:41Speaker 03

  Has to have been designed. And so this is what's so compelling.

• 1:01:43AJ Gentile?

  And on that day, are we seeing events like this all over these ancient sites?

• 1:01:47Speaker 03

  Not particularly.

• 1:01:48AJ Gentile?

  Really?

• 1:01:49Speaker 03

  Well, you think about it, right? So little has been excavated. And we believe there's something at Gobekli Tepe. We believe there's an alignment there, but it's been so built over, rebuilt, damaged, covered up and everything else. But I think as these excavations continue, we're going to find more solstice alignments over and over again. I mean, there's a couple of other potential ones. There's enclosure F at Gobekli Tepe, there's possibly one in enclosure D at Gobekli Tepe, which we're pretty convinced by, but none of it has this, was absolutely, today you can go and, you can turn up on the winter solstice, and we did it, we did it, this one's just gone.

• 1:02:26AJ Gentile?

  And just watch it.

• 1:02:26Speaker 03

  You can tell them, what's happened? And it's like, what the hell? I mean, to me, this is massive. I mean, not because we discovered it or anything, we, we, you know, whatever, you know, it's, this is a real thing, proving that they were studying. Very high level solstice orientations and alignments and phenomena in 9400 B.C. That isn't supposed to have been happening back then.

• 1:02:48AJ Gentile?

  No.

• 1:02:48Speaker 03

  It's not supposed to be happening until like Stonehenge, where you get the precise alignments like this. Obviously, the Paleolithic caves were a bit different because they're natural.

• 1:02:56AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:02:56Speaker 03

  And they were choosing places where the light would come in and then they would paint things, you know, so it would get illuminated or carve things like. But this is a whole different thing.

• 1:03:05AJ Gentile?

  And this predates Stonehenge by 5,000 years?

• 1:03:08Speaker 03

  Six to 7,000 years.

• 1:03:10AJ Gentile?

  Oh, my goodness. So what do you think was happening at this site? What were they doing?

• 1:03:14Speaker 03

  This is where it gets kind of interesting. We believe that this was a ritualistic site. We believe there's all this fertility symbolism, all these pillars are really phalluses.

• 1:03:24AJ Gentile?

  You know, you have to. You can see it.

• 1:03:26Speaker 03

  You have to suggest that. This is one of the ideas. There's other symbolism there where there's men holding their phallus. There's a large statue which we can look at in a moment. But there's something going on there. These were studying the stars. There's just the star alignments as well that Andrew's looked at, other people have looked at. But really, this is just outrageous. You can't just design, you know, this isn't by chance. I mean, if we look at some of the reconstructions we're actually looking at here. This is my friend Kevin Essling, who we've been working on to put in the site back together to see if any pillars would be in the way, and they're not. We've also put a roof over the top of it because the archaeologists 100% claim this is, there's no evidence for any roofs.

• 1:04:10Speaker 03

  There's only a couple of negatives where they think roof beams might have been found. They think they all had roofs on, so there'd be no, they don't look at the sky. There's no astronomy, there's no solstices. It doesn't happen. So we were like, okay, we'll put a roof on it then. So we did. We put a roof on it exactly based on where all the pillars are. And there's a perfect gap between two of the outer pillars and the two central pillars.

• 1:04:33AJ Gentile?

  So it still works.

• 1:04:33Speaker 03

  For the light to come through, even with a thatch roof on it as well. We even put, this is a traditional Native American roof that Kevin's focused on looking at different designs. And even if, you have to have windows and roofs because it'd be pitch black. If you just put one there in a small area. You get a perfect alignment taking place as well. So this is, to me, this is like, you know, They don't like it. Yeah, they don't like it. I mean, so, so even, we don't believe there were roofs, but there might have been. And so i- if evidence turns up, they find wooden beams, or they find evidence of actual roofs, and I'd be interested because we could then present this. But the fact is, it works with and without. So this is what was going on there.

• 1:05:13Speaker 03

  There was all, this is just a little kind of 3D AI thing we put together from, it's actually from an illustration by Dan Lish, I want to give him credit. Uh, it was originally just a kind of pen and ink illustration, but we turned it into this. But we think there was something really interesting going on here because they were obviously developing their astronomical skills. There was ritualistic activity clearly taking place there. They found all sorts of artifacts with bizarre symbolism on. Like what? You know, all sorts of things like, we talk about the leopards. Yep. We talk about men holding their phallus. We can look at some of them actually. And this is, oh, this is actually the roof they're planning to build, which we'll get into in a little while. Um, let me just find the right thing because there's some very bizarre, I mean,

• 1:05:58Speaker 03

  this, let's have a look at this one. This is the vulture statue they found in the, the new enclosure at the top of the hill. This is about two and a half feet tall. So probably like this. And the vulture shows up at all these sites, doesn't it? It does. It's a vo, yeah, this is what we get on a pillar forty-three at Gbagbe Litepe. Uh, again, this is broken here, here and here in three places, like most of the statues are like ritually, ritualistically broken. This was found also up in the new enclosure.

• 1:06:25Speaker 03

  Again, I've got another look at the pillar shrine there. But let's look at, and also there's evidence that these were full of water as well, which we believe, we mentioned earlier, there's,

• 1:06:36Speaker 03

  I think there's water symbolism here is really interesting because if these had water in them, it becomes much more ritualistic. There's little things that could have been taking place here. I think you're right because the walls are so smooth that. It, it looks, it almost looks like it. It's very bizarre when you start looking into it. Yeah, let's just go, yeah, let's have a look at this. This is again, this is the work of Kevin Esslinger. We were kind of experimenting to see, because they look like pools of water. But there's, but there's no natural water here, so springs or at Gbagbe Litepe. And yet people somehow may have lived here as well. And so we, we were working out if they could collect rainwater and stay full of water. And they pretty much could, they're very, very well sealed. Um. And also, you know, we have this as well. This is like speculation about what it may have looked like. I mean, it could have just been a spa.

• 1:07:22Speaker 03

  Right. It could have been a megalithic spa. Uh, that would something I would quite appreciate, I'm sure. Um. But here's some of the, this is the, some of the artifacts and the symbolism. Which could explain what was going on it because you got like this, this is like this huge, these are perfectly cut stone bowls. With these whole kind of donut shaped stones with animals placed within them. As though they're going through that porthole stone that when a solstice comes through. And so they're, they haven't, and then they've got these maces, like these stone maces, you can just about see on the top right image. Of all the carvings on them and other such things. So to me, this is a ritualistic. Burial of some artifacts. This isn't, this isn't just what they were preparing, like their beef stewing or anything like that. This is something else.

• 1:08:08Speaker 03

  Um. I think you can see that here's some of the other relatively newly discovered statues with three D reliefs on them. All sorts of symbolism. It's, it's quite broken Carahanteppe. So it's quite hard to find it. This is actually a new room they found at the site. And this, to me, this looks like something Sumerian or Egyptian. It does. Utterly bizarre. And so this is brand new. This is like, what, twenty five feet wide, something like that. It's not huge, but it's pretty big. And so, and this, and a lot of the base there is carved out of bedrock. And so this would be, again, would be water sealed as well. So again, this is, it looks like a level polished floor. It is, yeah. They were, they were really working that bedrock in a profound manner. Yeah. Really, really beautifully. And uh, this is one of the statues they found.

• 1:08:53Speaker 03

  This, they thought originally was a female statue, but then they, you can actually see it's got a phallus there as well. Yeah. This was found in the, the large enclosure at the top of the hill. Look at the haircut though. That's very similar actually to what you see on some of the goddess statues in Malta. And Gozo. Right, Malta, Gozo, and Sansuna. And then this one, yeah, the whole Sansuna story is really blows my mind actually. This is what this, so this is the big statue they found on the right. In the, in the new, it's caused a bit of a sensation in late twenty twenty three. But notice, it's got like a, a, almost like a false beard on it. Yep. Look at that. And then they found this smaller statue, again, with this what appears to be a false beard. And what do we find in Egypt? What do we find on the Sphinx? That's right. We find these kind of false beards. And so what on earth is that doing here?

• 1:09:37Speaker 03

  And clearly the man, the gentleman on the right, this is seven and a half foot tall, this is a giant, okay? He's holding his phallus, he's got emaciated body, so you see his ribs.

• 1:09:46AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:09:46Speaker 03

  He's even got a haircut, it's almost like shaved around here and hair coming down the back, a bit like a mullet. A bit of a kind of mohawk mullet. Uh, so they were pretty, and this is very much, when you have shaved heads and things like this, it's usually associated with ritual specialists, you know, this is a traditional kind of, this isn't like a king or warrior. This is like a kind of ritual specialist when you have the shaved cranium.

• 1:10:12AJ Gentile?

  Like a priest or a shaman or something?

• 1:10:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, and you get that, um, very much, uh.

• 1:10:16AJ Gentile?

  Could any of these sites been colored pigments, painted?

• 1:10:20Speaker 03

  There is, there is evidence of that now, yeah. I mean, actually, this, if we go to this one, this is the boar statue.

• 1:10:25AJ Gentile?

  Oh.

• 1:10:26Speaker 03

  That was found at Gobekli Tepe. This, they found, this was found in the main enclosure, enclosure de Gobekli Tepe. This is huge, it's like a full-size kind of boar statue with fangs and everything else. And in his mouth, they found black, red, and also white pigment on some of the body as well. You can see the red pigment in there. So they had black, red, and white. Now, I know that's interesting to you because you had, I think Tim Hogan was speaking about that being the colors of Egypt.

• 1:10:55AJ Gentile?

  The colors of the Templars.

• 1:10:56Speaker 03

  Colors of the Templars. Some people say the colors of Atlantis as well.

• 1:11:00AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, so they're the colors of the Y files.

• 1:11:02Speaker 03

  They're the three, yeah, because of Y files, of course. So they're the three main colors they found at this site. They had found it previously on another boar statue in enclosure C, many years ago, and thought nothing of it. But now there's potentially, the whole site might have been painted.

• 1:11:16AJ Gentile?

  We've got to get Kevin on that.

• 1:11:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:11:18AJ Gentile?

  We'd like to see that.

• 1:11:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:11:19AJ Gentile?

  Because that's spectacular.

• 1:11:20Speaker 03

  That would be interesting, actually, yeah. Um, so that really, that really interests me, that, the whole idea that they could actually be painted. Um, and the same could be, you know, Karahand Tepe as well. So one of the things, um, They found inside the main enclosure at Karahantape, you know, which I think, you know, could have held sacraments, could have proved its kind of ritual site, with these giant plates, these are like this big, some of them, these are carved out of solid stone, polished.

• 1:11:47AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:11:47Speaker 03

  Notice the one, the dark one in the middle, that is like, almost like a indentation smoothed out.

• 1:11:53AJ Gentile?

  It's like, it looks like a beveled restaurant tray.

• 1:11:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, and this is, this is like basalt, this is granite, this is extremely hard, some of it's diorite, I think.

• 1:12:01AJ Gentile?

  How could they carve granite?

• 1:12:03Speaker 03

  Exactly, exactly, how could they do that? And so this is what, this is one of the, one of the mysteries that, and they found hundreds of these now, when, when this was put on display, they'd only found a handful of them.

• 1:12:12AJ Gentile?

  Cause limestone, yes, you can cut that with obsidian.

• 1:12:14Speaker 03

  But they got, they got very hard basalt as well, you know, like, almost diorite level, it's really.

• 1:12:19AJ Gentile?

  Is there volcanic rock in that area?

• 1:12:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, there's a, yeah, cause you have, so you have Karakadon Mountain, uh, this is like the big, it was once a volcano to the north, this is where the first einkorn wheat was grown on the, the slopes of actually, you know, going back to not long after Quebecli Tepe, but they found lots, there's lots of volcanic, but some of this stone is from completely unknown areas, they don't know where it came from, and so this is why, the wider super civilization idea could be a reality at places like Karahantape and Quebecli Tepe, but these are just some of the plates, and they found these placed specifically on the benches in between the tea pillars, around the edge of the main enclosure, but now they're finding them in all the enclosures and placed often in very specific spots, under the porthole

• 1:13:06Speaker 03

  stone, in the kind of almost altar type areas and things like this.

• 1:13:10AJ Gentile?

  Do we have a guess why? I mean, that.

• 1:13:13Speaker 03

  There was something, there was something on these plates.

• 1:13:15AJ Gentile?

  That lip is there for a practical reason, to hold something.

• 1:13:18Speaker 03

  There was something on these plates, I don't think they were serving, you know, cucumber sandwiches or anything like that, I think this was a serious, they were serving sacraments.

• 1:13:26AJ Gentile?

  Could there have been human sacrifice, blood?

• 1:13:29Speaker 03

  There is, there is, there is some evidence of that at a site called Cheano, which is further to the north.

• 1:13:34AJ Gentile?

  There's evidence of that?

• 1:13:34Speaker 03

  They've found a hu- human hemoglobin, along with animal and human bones all piled up in a place called the Skull Room. Cheyano, and they think it could have been human sacrificing there as well going on. So that's another interesting place. That's further to the north, it's around a thousand years after Quebeclea Tepe and Karahan Tepe.

• 1:13:55AJ Gentile?

  Because they can date that hemoglobin, yes?

• 1:13:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, they have done that at these sites. But these, I think, I've got this feeling that these were what sacraments were carried on. I'm talking about possibly psychotropic plant medicines.

• 1:14:08AJ Gentile?

  Now, what do you mean?

• 1:14:09Speaker 03

  Well, I'm talking about magic mushrooms. I'm talking about potentially other things that they henbane, other things that may have grown in the area. Because when you start, to me, when you start looking at the whole stylings and design, 3D relief carvings, abstract imagery of Quebeclea Tepe and all these sites, it's not a normal human mind is coming up with that. This is outrageously kind of abstract. It doesn't make sense. If you were just a primitive or relatively primitive hunter-gatherer, you wouldn't be building and creating these beautiful relief carvings with this abstract symbolism and design and maintaining that over generations unless you had a real kind of...

• 1:14:51Speaker 04

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• 1:15:35Speaker 03

  Very unusual mind to put that together. So I think there's something odd going on here.

• 1:15:40AJ Gentile?

  Does amanita or any of those type of mushrooms grow in the area?

• 1:15:43Speaker 03

  Well, you get, yes, you would get that because they were known to have allrocks and different cattle. And so the dung there, it would grow for sure.

• 1:15:52AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:15:53Speaker 03

  Quite a lot of mushroom sort of shape symbolism and parts of these sites as well. You can actually find that on many of the different statues. And also, there's a type of grass that grows all in that area, which if, uh, actually a small, uh, it's kind of partly acacia. So you burn that in high quantities, you're gonna get D M T smoke coming out as well.

• 1:16:12AJ Gentile?

  Interesting.

• 1:16:13Speaker 03

  And also they were brewing beer. There's evidence of calcium oxalate being found on some of the large stone vessels. Sort of tubs that they found at Gobekli Tepe so far.

• 1:16:24AJ Gentile?

  And they're not supposed to have beer yet, are they?

• 1:16:26Speaker 03

  No, they're not. But it would have, I mean, so there's, there's potential evidence. This hasn't been a hundred percent proven. That they were brewing beer, maybe accidentally. It could have just left it to rot and ferment. And they realized, oh, it made them feel a bit funny when they drank it. So they, so that is, that can put you into a, more like a beer gruel, it would be, rather than a beer.

• 1:16:43AJ Gentile?

  Could, could ergo grow on that?

• 1:16:45Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 1:16:46AJ Gentile?

  It could.

• 1:16:46Speaker 03

  Exactly. This is the point. So what they found in Rakacek Cave down in Israel, which is older than Gobekli Tepe. Is not only evidence of early beer production. You know, we're talking probably accidental beer. They found evidence of ergo as well.

• 1:17:01AJ Gentile?

  Wow.

• 1:17:02Speaker 03

  So, and that was usually associated with a skull cult, you know, decapitating skulls. Sacrificial kind of stuff as well. And so was that happening at Gobekli Tepe? Because they found skulls there with holes drilled in them. So they could have been strung up. And then some of the tea pillars have holes carved on the overhanging tea pot. Holes drilled, so you could just be stringing up skulls and hanging them there. But also, but this, this, so this idea of psychedelics in ancient times. To me, suddenly it all comes clear. This is like why they were studying all these obscure things, like studying the stars. Having these ritualistic practices, this fertility symbolism, all this unusual iconography, which is really hard to decipher. Because they were kind of off their heads on really interesting substances.

• 1:17:48Speaker 03

  And other cultures throughout history after that were known to be into this kind of stuff.

• 1:17:53AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, I mean, if, if ayahuasca goes back 10,000 years, how many thousands of years did it take to figure out that process?

• 1:17:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly, exactly. So it, it just goes, it goes on and on and on. And then they were experimenting to put it in, you know, I think when you're kind of in some kind of alter state, you're going to get into things like geometry.

• 1:18:11AJ Gentile?

  You're going to see the fractals, all of it.

• 1:18:13Speaker 03

  Exactly. Yeah. And so this is, so this is why I'm so fascinated by this. This is one, I mean, the whole of Quebec, Lee Tepe is, all of the sites there are geometrically laid out. And so this one is a very complicated one, actually, which was first, this, this shape was first discovered by Alexander Tom.

• 1:18:31AJ Gentile?

  Megalithic yard.

• 1:18:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, all that kind of stuff. Yeah. And the stone circles of Britain, all their different geometries.

• 1:18:36AJ Gentile?

  Can you give us just a quick recap of what, um,

• 1:18:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:18:38AJ Gentile?

  Alexander found?

• 1:18:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, for sure. I've actually got a couple of images here. I'd show you.

• 1:18:43AJ Gentile?

  This audience knows the Megalithic Yard.

• 1:18:44Speaker 03

  Yeah. So this is, uh, this is, this is the man. I absolutely love this guy.

• 1:18:48AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:48Speaker 03

  Absolute legend. Um, so this is Alexander Tom. He was around really, you know, in nineteen thirty eight, he started surveying stone circles. He was a Scottish engineer. He studied, uh, taught at Oxford University. Um, he was fascinated by stone circles and the megalithic sites. So he went around with a theodolite on his own sometimes. You know, theodah heavy, they should be called, they're giant metal objects are really hard to carry about, and surveyed hundreds of stone circles. And he came up with all these, and he found all these geometries, you know, within them, ellipses, perfect circles mainly, but also these very odd flattened eggs and things like this. And that really got him, you know, and like, and so he proved that, you know, not a majority were circular, but a lot of them were these shapes.

• 1:19:32Speaker 03

  So he proved that they were using very sophisticated geometry to lay them all out. He also discovered the standard unit of measure called the Megalithic Yard, which is two point seven two feet or point eight three meters, which he found over and over again at these sites. And if we go to Quebec, Lee Tepe, this is one of the geometries.

• 1:19:52AJ Gentile?

  Oh, my goodness.

• 1:19:53Speaker 03

  In, uh, enclosure C.

• 1:19:54AJ Gentile?

  Are you finding standard units of measure at these sites?

• 1:19:57Speaker 03

  We're gonna, yeah, we're gonna get into that.

• 1:19:58AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 1:19:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is very, very interesting stuff. So this is a perfect flattened circle modified type B. I mean, this doesn't necessarily roll off the tongue. But enclosure C is, is got it down. I mean, that's what kind of gets me. Here's some other geometries. The middle one there is enclosure D, which is a an egg shaped based upon two five, twelve, thirteen Pythagorean triangles.

• 1:20:23AJ Gentile?

  I understand. When I think about that, I think about an orbit.

• 1:20:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:20:26AJ Gentile?

  This is this is like two ellipses merge.

• 1:20:28Speaker 03

  Yes, that's right. Yeah, yeah. And also on the left there, you've got some other geometries. You've got, um, obviously Karahan on the right there. And so we keep finding these different geometries. And to me, this can't just be accidental.

• 1:20:42AJ Gentile?

  No.

• 1:20:42Speaker 03

  Something odd about this. And then when you get you start looking a little bit more closely, you feel like Napto Playa in Egypt has the same geometry as Gobekli Tepe. This goes back to seven and a half thousand B.C. potentially. So what's going on here? And then, you know, there's alignments between them that form geometries.

• 1:20:59AJ Gentile?

  Nama Dal, fascinating. I see it's connected.

• 1:21:02Speaker 03

  It's just all it's all connected and.

• 1:21:04AJ Gentile?

  What about the hinges? Do they fall into the same ellipsis pattern?

• 1:21:07Speaker 03

  Yes, you do get that in England. Yeah. So this is what this is what we're developing. I'm actually writing about this as we speak. I'm finding so many correlations between Alexander Tom's work and what we're finding in southeast Turkey. And as more sites get uncovered, more and more of these geometries keep turning up and it's blowing my mind. So let's let's just look. Let's look at the metrology for a moment. This is insane.

• 1:21:27AJ Gentile?

  Let me stop you for one second. How the heck is Nama Dal connected to this? This is that's Polynesia, no?

• 1:21:33Speaker 03

  Well, this well, what I've got here, this is um, this is from the little book. So what we did, we we started laying out sites around the planet using Google Earth and other such things. And just see if there's any interesting alignments between Gobekli Tepe sites, all that Tastepola sites and others around the world. And there are bizarre ones. I mean, you look at um, the alignment here from Seberch to Gobekli Tepe to Tassli Tepe. And it goes and it somehow goes through Karahun in Armenia.

• 1:21:59AJ Gentile?

  It does.

• 1:22:00Speaker 03

  And it goes to reach Nama Dal, seven and a half thousand miles away. And that if that could be a coincidence, okay? Could be a coincidence. I I admit that. But then you look at the work on the right there, you've got Gobekli Tepe and Baalbek. Of a perfect diagonal of a sixfold square geometry, which is the work of Howard Crowhurst. The same under the triangle at the top left, there, Gobekli Tepe, Kurt Tepe and Harbert Zuvan, these are three Tastepola sites, all form a perfect three, four, five triangle across the landscape. And so that we think they were surveying.

• 1:22:33AJ Gentile?

  A three, four, five, so a Pythagorean triple.

• 1:22:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, all Pythagorean, most of it's Pythagorean, actually, yeah, most of it is. And so, you know, that's what intrigues me because that is happening in Britain. We've proven that, Robin Heath, Howard Crowhurst, Alexander Tom, all proven that. So now we're finding it happening here. And then you think about like passages from the Book of Enoch. Oh, and I'm taking cords, the angels are taking cords and going to measure size and shape of the earth. And you realize, hang on a sec, this is what they were actually doing at this time. So even the Book of Enoch could be referring back to this Tastepola era where they were doing this kind of thing.

• 1:23:11AJ Gentile?

  That's right, to catch people up, Enoch traveling above the earth with Uriel and has shown three hundred and sixty-four and one quarter days around the sun, lunar cycle, solar cycle, all things that they're not supposed to know. And I think Enoch was problematic for the church at some point.

• 1:23:27Speaker 03

  Definitely.

• 1:23:28AJ Gentile?

  Was it James Bruce who discovered it in Ethiopia?

• 1:23:31Speaker 03

  That's right. It's fascinating to me. I mean, the Book of Enoch is almost like a kind of, it's the Book of Tastepola, in my opinion. I think if people start looking into that more and as more things get discovered there, they're going to find more and more correlations between these different elements, these different passages, these texts that were written in ancient times. There's going to be more and more connections. And one of the other things, you know, they're talking about going to measure. This is where the ancient metrology gets into it because all these have got specific distances between them. So this is going to hurt people's brain, this. But this is some measurements I took of the different parts of.

• 1:24:12Speaker 03

  Gobekli Tepe. Now, you don't need to look at it too closely, but fundamentally, what we're seeing here is not just that we're finding the megalithic yard, whole number as well. It's all about whole numbers. You don't want to have half measures or things like that. It doesn't, right. So I'm just only, only if I find a whole number. But what I found was, is that I'm very influenced by the work of John Michel and John Neal, who were the, who wrote Ancient Metropolis back in 1980, I think. And then John Neal has written a whole series of books about the Metropolis. And they don't think there's one unit of measure like the megalithic yard. They think there's a whole system of different variations of the foot length, which are based around the British foot. But there's all slight differences between them and they're all harmonically connected.

• 1:24:53AJ Gentile?

  Harmonically connected, meaning predictable ratios?

• 1:24:56Speaker 03

  I think I've actually got a...

• 1:24:57AJ Gentile?

  I'm sorry, I'm getting, I'm getting excited. The math gets me excited.

• 1:25:01Speaker 03

  Well, you look, you look at this, for instance, this is like, you know, this is actually the, the top of a T pillar is two double squares. This is an interesting way of seeing it. So if you've got a double square, that's the fundamentals of building things like this. So that measures potentially three megalithic yards across, but the diagonal would measure eight royal Egyptian feet, and the diagonal of the square would measure 16 Sumerian palms or five royal Egyptian feet. And so you have all these weird correlations within one system. So they weren't just using one unit of measure. They were using multiple units. And each one was like a kind of quality, like a different accent of the builders who were doing that part of the site. And they wanted to, it meant something. So it was like a language.

• 1:25:43AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:25:44Speaker 03

  Yeah. So, you know, this is where the whole idea of number and myth and stories, a lot of it comes from number and measurements. And a lot of these old measurements are subdivisions of the size and shape of the earth. So they must have had an understanding of the size and shape. Even in Testeplela, this is what's so intriguing.

• 1:26:02AJ Gentile?

  So these numbers are divisible by the circumference? Is that what, something like that?

• 1:26:06Speaker 03

  Various ones are, yeah. Some of them are, yeah. And like, it's a close up of like Enclosure D, for instance.

• 1:26:12AJ Gentile?

  With all this data, how do you know what to throw away?

• 1:26:15Speaker 03

  Well, this is when you get into anything like, so I've got a few, like, the numbers here, I don't want to burn people's brains apart here, but this... The numbers here, we've got a few half-measures here, like thirteen point five or, so I wanna just show some examples. But you only, you know, you could put a list of twenty different types of, eighteen different types of foot measurements, or remnants, or palms and things like this. But they're all, they're not exact numbers, they're not eighteen, or they're not seventeen, they're not twelve, they're point something. So remove all the, anything with a point. Okay. And just go with whole numbers. And this is where all the magic starts coming out. Because you realise, one measurement could be something, another whole number of another measurement, another whole number of another measurement.

• 1:26:54Speaker 03

  So you, you keep finding all these correlations, then you, you kind of work downwards until you get to a few different ones they were definitely using. Which really are the Persian foot, which is one point oh five feet. Or there's also the megalithic yard is used all the time in Tastepola. You've also got the Sumerian foot, you've got the Assyrian foot, you've got the Saxon foot, which isn't actually Saxon, it's actually much earlier than that. And this is so bizarre, let me see, I'm sure I've got the right image here, no, let me just go back a couple of shots here. Because this is, um, oh, it gets really, really interesting to me, yeah, let's go back to this one. Because these variations of the foot, they're like, they're harmonic fractions different to one another.

• 1:27:37Speaker 03

  And so you could actually just, you know, put them in a table, you could actually calculate it in your head, arithmetic, you know, in arithmetic, really easily. You don't need to work it out on calculators, because it's like eleven to twelve, or twenty-one to twenty-two, or, or, you know, fifty-eight to fifty-six. You know, the differences in the slight variations, if you do it just like, like that in your head, like the ratios. And so it's quite easy to understand. So I think they were using four or five different measurement systems. And they're all based upon the measurements of the earth. So again, we go back to the Book of Enoch, they were going to measure. Right. And I believe that they were doing that, they were sending teams out around the planet, and they were, they wanted to understand what was going on with the earth.

• 1:28:17Speaker 03

  So the earliest phase of Tastepola, they were doing this, and this is where the Book of Enoch kind of picked up that kind of story. Right. They're talking about taking these cords off and going to measure. And so that is where, I'm, I'm, I'm still into this, I'm still writing about this. Still going further into this, but the evidence is there now.

• 1:28:35AJ Gentile?

  Well, what evidence? Are you finding artifacts of people?

• 1:28:37Speaker 03

  Just the numbers. You can just work with the numbers. This is what's so interesting. So this is something that the archaeologists have zero interest in. I couldn't even get officially any of the measurements of the site. I had to go in and use every old map I could find and work it all out. So some of these may be a tiny bit off. I'm still working on this. But when you find numbers, you find geometries, you find orientations, they even mark north, south, east and west accurately as well.

• 1:29:05AJ Gentile?

  They do?

• 1:29:05Speaker 03

  Using modular geometry, which is the work of Howard Crowhurst. So the modular geometry is like on the right there, where you have squares placed upon each other, but always north, south, east, west.

• 1:29:16AJ Gentile?

  Do we see any of these measurements used in by the Almex, the Aztecs, Incas, anything on that side of the earth?

• 1:29:22Speaker 03

  I haven't looked at that yet. I'm so focused on this and the British sites as well, but like on the image on the right there. You see, you've got, there was some research done by these

• 1:29:36Speaker 03

  researchers from Tel Aviv University, Avi Gofur, I think, and Gil Hackley. And they found, if you draw a point in the middle of each of the main enclosures, it forms a perfect equilateral triangle. So, and they're the same measurements on each side. So they were working with equilateral triangles at least. So that's what they realized. But then Howard Crowhurst came in and realized that alignment, the yellow line, between the two central T pillars of two of the enclosures is actually a triple square diagonal. And so this is where, and then suddenly, oh, so if that's the case, then you draw other squares around that. They knew north, south, east and west. They weren't supposed to know that then.

• 1:30:18AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:30:18Speaker 03

  That wasn't supposed to happen till the pyramid age, you know, that kind of thing with the great pyramid. So little, little things like that, you don't, you take, most people take for granted, they think, so what? But they must have known.

• 1:30:28AJ Gentile?

  How close is it?

• 1:30:29Speaker 03

  I mean, we know. This is exact.

• 1:30:30AJ Gentile?

  Is exact?

• 1:30:31Speaker 03

  It's perfect, yeah. It's absolutely perfect. And so this is what's so, it gets weirder and weirder the more you start looking into it. And so this is, you know, I'm at the kind of halfway point, maybe two thirds into this mega chapter I'm doing on this for the new book. But I think it's gonna turn out, if we can get some exact measurements out of some of these sites, get permission to go in and actually measure them, it's gonna go, we're gonna go crazy. But then you have sites, you have other sites in the whole region. Obviously, this is fascinating to me, because you have double square, again, the modular geometry base, hiding measurements. There was actually an old quote, I can't remember the quote exactly, from John Michel. He was like my kind of hero. He wrote the book The View Over Atlantis and also Ancient Metrology. He wrote the book Megalithomania.

• 1:31:16AJ Gentile?

  He did.

• 1:31:17Speaker 03

  Gave us permission to use a name for our conference, yeah, funnily enough. And what he found was, he says, it's always, like at Stonehenge, he said, "It's always the top stones, the lintels, that will hide the measurement systems of the priestly elites. It's not the lower ones, they'll all get damaged and knocked around. Look at the top stone." So this, this double square is the top part of the T, of the T pillars. So he was right, and he was saying that 20, 30 years ago. And now we're finding that at Gobekli Tepe, the top part of the site is where the magic is, where the real measurements and that their kind of knowledge is positioned. And so this is, I mean, this is interesting to me. If, if, if these measurements are encoded

• 1:32:01Speaker 03

  inside on the T pillars themselves, then we can work out what they were trying to tell us.

• 1:32:05AJ Gentile?

  That's right.

• 1:32:06Speaker 03

  Mathematically at least.

• 1:32:07AJ Gentile?

  Yes, so if the T pillars are, if they leave one in the quarry, then this, this looks like engineering being passed down, yes?

• 1:32:14Speaker 03

  This is, this is very much, this is science.

• 1:32:16AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 1:32:16Speaker 03

  A very early science.

• 1:32:18AJ Gentile?

  And the planning is extraordinary.

• 1:32:20Speaker 03

  It is.

• 1:32:21AJ Gentile?

  The advanced planning.

• 1:32:21Speaker 03

  It is, and I think, you know, there's a subtlety to it as well, and the abstract nature, which makes them feel just so intelligent, these people.

• 1:32:30AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 1:32:31Speaker 03

  So intelligent, and, but in a, in a kind of, in a different way to us. We think intelligence is all academic. To them, it was a subtle intelligence, understanding the laws of nature, coming in and encoding that within these sites.

• 1:32:45AJ Gentile?

  Why would these, why would the, the solstices be so important to people that aren't really agricultural yet?

• 1:32:51Speaker 03

  Well, this goes way back, actually. This goes back to the Paleolithic era, actually. Let me just, there's a couple of things here. So we're talking about some of these caves again. So we go back to this. This is all the alignments of the solstices, you know, in the Paleolithic caves. Yeah. And the traditions there. And this is anthropological research, which has been done on hunter-gatherer societies. There's a gentleman called Brian Hayden, an author, brilliant author. He's written about this. This is based on some of his research. And I've been reading all his stuff. I just found him, basically, and it's blown my mind, that solstices weren't necessarily about anything to do with growing food, or to have a calendar.

• 1:33:32Speaker 03

  It wasn't necessarily about food production and things like that. It was more about understanding the laws of nature, but also it was about when to do your, you know, tribal feasting, when to time your initiations, the rites of passage, when to, you know, have ceremony and things like this. It wasn't just about practical things. It was like spiritual, ritualistic things as well. And the way they worked that out, because he studied hunter-gatherer societies from all over the world, the anthropological data has been picked up from over the last few hundred years, and found that that was the case. Many of them, a majority of them, in fact, even in North America as well, that, you know, the Native American groups here,

• 1:34:14Speaker 03

  they do the same thing. They have caves, or they have orientations which get illuminated.

• 1:34:18Speaker 04

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• 1:35:05Speaker 03

  On certain dates of the year, usually the solstice is, then they know when to do ceremonies, they know when to do their feasting, they know when to do certain things. And only later, you know, it became useful for agriculture. Right. So, you know, so it's the other way around. People, you know, this is, this is That's a great point. And so, because you look at Karahandepay, you know, you have the whole winter solstice alignment there. That would have been a really useful calendar, a really useful marker. That everyone can use and understand the sun stops. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah, there's actually some work of Dr. Martin Swetman, who I have a lot of time for. I'm just seeing if I've got an image of some of his research. I can't find it. But he, actually, I think he's got it on Gobekli Tepe, Pillar 43 as well.

• 1:35:49Speaker 03

  He's been published, yes? Oh, yeah. He's an academic, yeah, he's for sure. So he's done not only at Karahandepay, he's found a calendrical system in the pillar shrine, counting the different, you know, pillars and things like this. He's also found it on Pillar 43 here, a perfect kind of lunar, loony solar calendar, they call it. This is the vulture stone. So what's happening here? This is the vulture stone. So this, he's basically counting the different Vs. So, and then the, but it's quite, it's not that complicated, but it's, it's kind of explained here. You've got the one lunar month is one of the Vs. Eleven lunar months, because there's 11 of these squares, equals 354 days. And you've got 10 more of these upside down and upright triangles, which equal 10 days, which makes 364 days. Then

• 1:36:34Speaker 03

  he believes the vulture or the sun symbol would make up, he believes it was a summer solstice, but it could easily be the winter solstice as well. Mark made, made the final day. So it's a basic counting thing for a lunar and solar calendar. And the same thing's been found at Karahandepay. And you must remember that within a couple of hundred years of these sites being built, on Karakadah Mountain, just north of Gobekli Tepe, the first einkorn wheat was produced in an agricultural farming manner. And that's where the agricultural revolution kicked off, within 200 years of these sites being constructed. And then, because all the evidence, like Gobekli Tepe and Karahandepay, that they're talking about, all the evidence they found, that they were wild plants, there were wild animals, there was hunting, there

• 1:37:18Speaker 03

  was collecting, there was doing all these things. But there's no evidence of growing food or agriculture. But within a couple of hundred years, they probably got to a point where they wanted to settle down and they kind of wanted to hang out at Gobekli Tepe and these other places. And then they said, well, let's let's grow the damn stuff ourselves just over there. They built all these, they they they created all these huge hunting traps. So when migrating animals were coming, they coerced them into these giant, all these walls built around them, big kind of keyhole shapes. To then trap them and funnel the animals into these pens and kill them all. This is at during the same time? All around the area, you find loads of these hunting traps. They're called hunting kites, I think. And some of them were being found in Saudi Arabia and other areas as well.

• 1:37:59Speaker 03

  And so they were realizing that they could stop, and then they started breeding the animals and things like this. Then they started growing the food. So this is when the sedentary lifestyle began. Right. You know, after these sites were built, because most, you know, for a long time, people were thinking, oh. They must have, you know, they must have kind of created agriculture and then decided to build these sites based upon that. Well, that's what we're taught. Yeah, but also you have um some of the Sumerian stories of Enki and Amal and all this kind of stuff. They talk about giant structures being created. They talk about giant lofty enclosures and things like this being built on hills. And there were channels and water was being directed and you see all these water channels at Gobekli Tepe now.

• 1:38:41Speaker 03

  They're harvesting rainwater and at Karahan Tepe, which we've seen already. And then after that, the food domestication, animal domestication started taking place. These are all in the Sumerian stories. And so I believe they would, you know, Andrew just talked about this briefly, they were going on about this. In Sumerian stories, but they were talking about the Tastepola era in kind of myth and story. And so I think there's a lot more to what was going on here than people realize. This, we we take, you know, you've got to remember until nineteen, the mid nineteen, two, two thousand. No one knew any of these places existed. Nope. They were just a rumor. And when you think about all the cultures passing through southeast Turkey.

• 1:39:24Speaker 03

  You know, you've got the Sumerians, you've got the Hittites, you've got the Assyrians, you've got the Babylonians, you've got the Christians, you've got the Muslims, all these cultures. Walking over the, literally, they're like digging into the same hill and putting burials in like in Gobekli Tepe and seeing it as sacred somehow, they sort of felt it was sacred, probably because of the myths that had been around for a long time. So, no one knew anything about it. And so all this kind of history has been written about, there's a whole chapter missing. The chapter is now being read and it's being written. So this is what's happening in southeast Turkey.

• 1:39:58AJ Gentile?

  It's fact, before the discoveries, would people look at those Sumerian texts and wonder, where is this place? Where is this? Because they're talking about places.

• 1:40:08Speaker 03

  Well, they assumed, they assumed it was in, you know, Iraq.

• 1:40:12AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 1:40:12Speaker 03

  Iran, all this kind of thing where it's, you know.

• 1:40:14AJ Gentile?

  Fertile Crescent.

• 1:40:15Speaker 03

  All kicking off now. But there's a lot of, you know, there's a lot going on down there as well, long before the Sumerians, you know, like you have Jericho, for instance. This is a famous, everyone knows Jericho.

• 1:40:27AJ Gentile?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:40:28Speaker 03

  This is, but there was also a summer solstice, sunset alignment.

• 1:40:32AJ Gentile?

  In Jericho?

• 1:40:33Speaker 03

  In Jericho, in the tower itself.

• 1:40:35AJ Gentile?

  This is the oldest city on earth, yes?

• 1:40:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, this is like, you know, a bit younger than Gobekli Tepe and all that. But this is the work, again, Ram Bakay and Roy Lurin, these are the guys who have found standard units of measure at other Tastapola sites and in Tufian sites. This is a whole different thing to what they're finding in Gobekli Tepe. But they're finding the Persian foot and Persian cubic as a standard unit of measure in many of the Tufian sites, but that's another story. But this, this is the alignment in Jericho. So, so all these stories may have been reflecting into Jericho, they may have been reflecting further north into Gobekli Tepe. And also, we'll come back to that in a moment, but also you have, all along the coast, you have sites like Atletim, Atletiam that are being

• 1:41:20Speaker 03

  discovered off the coast, you know, under the water of Israel. And they found semi-stone circles, cut marks, you know, stone wall corridors that align to the summer solstice. So all, that's all in the area, you know, of that whole kind of biblical area. So it gets weirder and weirder, the more you dig.

• 1:41:39AJ Gentile?

  Do you date it to the same time? And why is it underwater?

• 1:41:43Speaker 03

  This goes back, this goes back to about 7,500 B.C. It's underwater because of the water levels have just risen four hundred feet.

• 1:41:51AJ Gentile?

  I was trying to get a flood myth story.

• 1:41:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, well, yeah, I mean, there's, there are, you know, there are certain ones that kind of come into that as well. But there's a lot around the coast there that suggests, especially the Levantine coast, Israel and that. And which do suggest that there was a lot more going on and it must be this old. Because that's when the water levels were much less at the end of the last ice age and a little bit after that as well. And but you also have the connection with Malta, which I find interesting because that whole place was much bigger and connected to the mainland Europe in the Mediterranean as well. And that, and they found evidence off the coast of Sicily of a gigantic, like what, fifteen, fourteen meter

• 1:42:37Speaker 03

  long megalith at the bottom of the ocean, which dates back to ten thousand, eleven thousand years ago. They're like, what the hell? So there's stuff going on there as well, all under the water. Um, so, yeah, the more you get into this, the coastal stuff is a whole other thing as well. There's also evidence that they were navigating from Mediterranean edge of Turkey over to Cyprus, going back to at least twelve to thirteen thousand years ago. And we're talking quite large amounts of people going back and forth, quite big boats.

• 1:43:08AJ Gentile?

  So trade merchants?

• 1:43:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, and, and people, animals, they, they proved it by animals.

• 1:43:13AJ Gentile?

  Oh, how do they do that?

• 1:43:14Speaker 03

  And obsidian and things like this. Well, no one knows what's going on here because they found evidence of seafaring about a hundred thousand years in Crete and Greece because they found obsidian on certain islands that could only have got there by boat, you know, things like that. So the seafaring nature of history has been deeply overlooked.

• 1:43:33AJ Gentile?

  I agree.

• 1:43:33Speaker 03

  The diffusionism thing as well.

• 1:43:35AJ Gentile?

  I, I agree.

• 1:43:36Speaker 03

  And so, so even the people of Gobekli Tepe may have been sailing and this is how they could have got around the world to measure the earth in ancient times.

• 1:43:42AJ Gentile?

  I mean, there's no denying the DNAs is around the planet that's coming from different places. Diffusionism is a real thing.

• 1:43:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, for sure. And I, I think there's more evidence that is going to come to light uh, the more we get into this, this kind of stuff.

• 1:43:57Speaker 03

  But yeah, there's so much. I mean, I want to talk about a couple of other sites because I've got a feeling some of your, um, your watchers and your listeners, watchers.

• 1:44:06AJ Gentile?

  Watches, nice. Well, let's take a quick break and we'll get back into this. I'm very excited. We're back in a sec. I wanted to ask, have you found any correlation with latitude, longitude? With these sites, is there any meaning?

• 1:44:21Speaker 03

  That I'm starting to, I'm starting to look at that now. I've got most of the geometry work done.

• 1:44:28Speaker 03

  I think there's, I think we're going to find things. Yeah. I think we're going to find it. Well, the problem is with, it's a very limited area, the whole Taztebla area. I mean, there is one thing I found, like, um, there's a connection between Peru and Gobekli Tepe.

• 1:44:43AJ Gentile?

  Interesting.

• 1:44:44Speaker 03

  If you draw a line, like for instance, oh, that's too high now. If you draw a line, say between the middle of Gobekli Tepe enclosure D and the Cora Cantor in Peru. It's, um, I should have an image of it here somewhere. I don't know.

• 1:44:58AJ Gentile?

  I'd love to see that.

• 1:44:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:45:00AJ Gentile?

  And the line is from the middle of the enclosure.

• 1:45:03Speaker 03

  That's, yeah, that's pretty precise. Pretty accurate. Yeah, yeah. Let me just see if I hope I've got the image here. If not, there you go. Yeah, he's here. So.

• 1:45:10AJ Gentile?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:45:11Speaker 03

  So this isn't necessarily about latitudes, but this is quite interesting, uh, because it comes back to the canonical numbers.

• 1:45:19Speaker 03

  So this is, I, this is years ago. I kind of spotted this when I was messing about on Google Earth. But if you draw an exact line between the middle of enclosure D and the middle of the Cora Cantor, which is the sacred center of the Incu, Pre-Inca, whatever, this is 7,928 miles. That is the known diameter of the Earth at the equator, but in canonical tradition, it's 7,920 miles. That's a sort of round number. And that's eight times nine times 10 times 11. So this is all the arithmetic that the ancients were doing. So there has to, I mean, how can, how can they do, I mean, is that coincidence again?

• 1:45:54AJ Gentile?

  I don't think so. Um. The number eleven shows up a lot in these ancient sites as well.

• 1:45:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, you do. Yeah, some of the enclosures have eleven stones in as well, usually twelve, but eleven as well. But and also some of the carvings here as well. I wrote this article on Graham Hancock's website years ago.

• 1:46:09AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:10Speaker 03

  Like the the ones on the um left there of that photo, they're from Cootimbo and Silostani in Peru. The one two on the right are from Gobekli Tepe, and they're almost identical style. I mean, this is a style you you're probably going to find. People are going to do three D reliefs, but it's kind of interesting. Even Graham Hancock put that in his book, you know, when he went to visit these sites as well. He found that he compared with these sites, you know, not necessarily this alignment, but certainly, you know, the connection can be found.

• 1:46:41AJ Gentile?

  Yep, I see it. I believe it.

• 1:46:43Speaker 03

  Let's look at a couple of other bits while we're here, if you're like interested in a bit of that. I mean, obviously, you've got the uh. You've got the Gobekli Tepe Easter Island thing as well. It's kind of intriguing. You know, you're getting the same kind of hand signals. You're getting the same kind of style.

• 1:46:58AJ Gentile?

  Easter Island has always confused me because it's in the middle of nowhere.

• 1:47:02Speaker 03

  I know, yeah, I know. It's it's such a strange place. You even have polygonal walls there as well.

• 1:47:07AJ Gentile?

  Is that right?

• 1:47:08Speaker 03

  In a place called Vinapu, underneath like where the Moai stand upon the platforms. And, you know, how did that get there? Did that come from Peru? Did it come from another part of the world?

• 1:47:20AJ Gentile?

  And I I don't think a lot of people realize the Moai statues, a lot of them have bodies.

• 1:47:24Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, yeah, all the way down. Yeah, yeah.

• 1:47:26AJ Gentile?

  Why would? Why would you build a thirty foot statue and bury twenty feet of it?

• 1:47:31Speaker 03

  That is, and that's one of the things you get on the island. There's some of them are just sort of torsos, but some of them go much further down, like below the kind of groin area. Uh, but you always have this hands on the navel, you know, and the navel is like traditionally, it's like the navel of the world, Easter Island. Traditionally, Gobekli Tepe means navel or potbelly hill.

• 1:47:50AJ Gentile?

  Oh.

• 1:47:51Speaker 03

  It's the same name.

• 1:47:52AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 1:47:53Speaker 03

  Very, very odd. And so and then you have the navel is also the Coricancha or, you know, the center of the Inca tradition was known as the navel. As well. So you have all these different navels, something that comes up over and over again. Now, this is an image from the book. Obviously, this is hand drawn, the kind of stuff we were playing with. And you you're interested in like different latitudes and distances and things like this. Um, but this is like a bit weird because, you know, we have some. Distances between sites are bizarre, like for example, the distance between Stonehenge and Gobekli Tepe is exactly one million Persian feet. Exactly one million? Yes, it's so weird. Okay.

• 1:48:38Speaker 03

  I don't know how to make of that, but what we know is the Stonehenge, the exact location of Stonehenge, there used to be a mound at the center, which was part of a system of study in the solstices in 10,000 years ago, which we can have a look at in a minute perhaps, but what is bizarre though, is that the Persian foot, which is 1.05 feet, is found throughout Gobekli Tepe, is found in Stonehenge, known as the British Longfoot, and also the mile, the standard English mile, is 5,000 Persian feet. I didn't realize that. Yeah, yeah, so what, it just gets weirder and weirder, and so, and then you can sort

• 1:49:20Speaker 03

  of find all these other correlations, like for example, Delphi, also a naval site, center of the world, is exactly 900 miles, which is exactly 5 million Samian feet. It's another, another one of the foot kind of variations. Not 5 million and one? No, no, no, it just happens to be, oh, it could be, I mean, depends where. Right, but. But, but it's just, it's just little, little intricacies like this, uh, I find kind of bizarre. We've got other ones here, um, we've got symbolism from Australia on Aboriginal elders being found at Gobekli Tepe, um, something that Andrew discovered years ago, that from

• 1:49:58Speaker 03

  Gobekli Tepe to the Great Pyramid is exactly 1,080 kilometers, which is an interesting number, because 108 is a lunar number, it's also a processional number, we find in distances between sites around the world, um, and you could just go on and on and on, I mean, you could keep finding correlations here, uh, and actually Jericho is interesting, it's exactly 2 million Saxon feet away. Now, whether they were counting in millions. Right. Is a whole other story, it's probably based upon certain mile lengths anyway, which the Saxon foot may have been used within, or Samian foot in some cases, so yeah, you can go on and on with this, it's, it's pretty, uh, yeah, I cover that in the book, obviously.

• 1:50:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, I see you have the Baal backstone there, there's an angle correlation? There is an interesting angle correlation, actually, yeah.

• 1:50:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, so that's the one where we saw um in a slightly earlier image, I'll just sort of find that.

• 1:50:55AJ Gentile?

  This is, I think, the biggest quarried stone ever.

• 1:50:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, the the well, the the largest one they found relatively recently is 1,650 tonnes. I think I've got some images of Baobab here. Um, and this is actually here, yeah. So, so we have the one on top, which has none of the text on it. That is, that's the stone of the pregnant woman. That's about 1,000 tonnes. Yeah, just 1,000 tonnes, that's all. And the one beneath it.

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• 1:51:53Speaker 03

  They found to be like 1,650 tonnes. Hasn't been moved, it's still in in position, so they may not have ever got around to moving, or they may have been chopped into smaller areas. Uh, but there's there's other ones in the whole area. I've got references to giants building these. Uh, here's an article I wrote years ago for Atlantis Rising magazine. But this is one of the stones in the temple itself, because there's like a giant platform there.

• 1:52:19Speaker 03

  Here's some other stones. You can see me standing down there. These are down the north side.

• 1:52:24AJ Gentile?

  Any theories on how that big, those big stones got into place?

• 1:52:27Speaker 03

  Giants.

• 1:52:27AJ Gentile?

  Giants, okay.

• 1:52:28Speaker 03

  That's the only theory.

• 1:52:29AJ Gentile?

  I'm on board.

• 1:52:30Speaker 03

  And there's me as well, standing there with the, this is like the trilithon, the three mega stones, which are about 800 tonnes each. So these are smaller than the ones found in the quarry. But still, my God, I mean, it's a serious operation. You can't really um mess with that. But and and the alignment, this is something that Howard Crowhurst came up with, which absolutely fascinated me, and I've actually, we actually included it in the book as well. This is.

• 1:52:55Speaker 03

  The Quebec Lee Tepe to Baalbek with 3-2 square alignments. This is based upon his system of modular geometry, which is using squares, north, south, east, west, left and right of each other. And then you work out what the angles are between 3, 4, 5 squares. And they're always very meaningful angles, very meaningful. And they often relate to solstices, which is where his work is focused on in Brittany and in Britain. But he's now applying it to Tastepola sites as well. We're starting to look at that. We've found golden section angles with the solstice at Karahan Tepe, for instance, which we're gonna look at. Goldens, like the golden ratio, like the? Yeah, it's really, really odd. How about Fibonacci numbers that don't show up? As far as I'm aware, not yet, but we're, you know, leave it with us.

• 1:53:40Speaker 03

  We're gonna keep looking. I bet they do. So this is fascinating. So this is the Quebec Lee Tepe to Baalbek angle. And the thing about Baalbek as well is that the area it's built upon is an old tell or an old tepe. Yeah, so this could go back thousands and thousands of years anyway. And it was originally a kind of outpost of Quebec Lee Tepe. No T pillars or anything, but certainly something was there. It was an occupational mound, that's what they call them. People living in and around that mound. And then there's Venetian evidence there, there's Roman evidence. But it's claimed that the Romans built the whole thing. But there's no evidence of Romans moving thousand ton stones to create a platform to build their temple upon. It's almost like they found it like that and then built upon it. It's more likely.

• 1:54:24Speaker 03

  And so, yeah, you can just, I mean, going to Baalbek was one of the most, my god, it was one of the most mind blowing things I've ever seen in my life, I think. But there's so many, there's so many more sites here. Let me just look at some of the sites in Tastepola. I think your watchers, listeners, can't call them watchers.

• 1:54:46Speaker 03

  Everything goes back to Enoch. Yes, appropriating the biblical text there. So this is Saybirç. Now, you were talking about numbers, we're getting into all the nice. So one of the things about the name Saybirç, which really caught my, I mean, I literally worked this out on a bus and a translator when I was in Turkey and what does Saybirç mean? And say means counting. Birç means sign of the zodiac, or birç in Kurdish means tower or watchtower. And we found out from, this is like one of the main testable sites they're now excavating. We found out that there used to be an old Jericho-like tower at Saybirç that got destroyed and dismantled in the Second World War. Wow. Yeah. And so that's actually hidden in the name. So this is clearly, so this is,

• 1:55:31Speaker 03

  this is a scan of the enclosure. I love these. This is about 30 feet wide, or thereabouts, 32 feet. In fact, I've actually done some number work on this. I've found sacred measurements. But if we go on, you can actually see a different view of it here. You see there's a hole carved into it there. Yes. Now, this is, we find this in quite a few of the sites now. And there's a good, there's good evidence that these may have been early forms of Shiva lingams. What's a Shiva lingam? This is an ancient, kind of traditional Indian or Southeast Asian installation, stone installation of a phallus-type kind of lingam, and then a yoni-shaped bowl, you know, I've

• 1:56:15Speaker 03

  done a whole, I've written a whole chapter about this actually. But Saybirç is interesting because the geometry of this enclosure is the same as what we're finding in the British stone circles, same we're finding at Gobekli Tepe. You can see this, this is one of the, one of the egg shapes, very, very specific. Do you find these in ancient Indian sites as well? Uh, no, I haven't, I haven't probably looked just yet, but the whole Vedic connection with this part of the world is very, very interesting. We're looking into that more and more. But Saybirç, this is one of the key sites. And one of the interesting things about this as well is that this is right next to, like, if you look here, see the, on the left there, you've got all the kind of rock, you know, rock cut, square cut area. That essentially is a Roman quarry.

• 1:56:59Speaker 03

  They got that close to this enclosure, but didn't destroy it or harm it in any way. And so much so that just where that Roman quarry is, we're talking 2000 years ago. There's this little area here which they didn't touch. And this is an ancient Tastepola carving. It's this one here. So this is like a serpent head kind of shape with all this dots and kind of symbolism around it. It could be something to do with a serpent or leopard, we don't know. But they left that alone and then stopped quarrying there. So there's a theory, which I'm putting forward, that the Romans discovered Tastepola.

• 1:57:36AJ Gentile?

  Wow.

• 1:57:38Speaker 03

  There's a Roman quarry very close to Karahan Tepe on the opposite hill. There's a Roman quarry not too far from another big one, right next to Sabirch itself, on another hill. And there's also one Nigabekli Tepe as well. And so this is odd. So there's a good chance, and I'm sure if I scantly any old Roman Latin texts, we're going to find something. They found certain things.

• 1:58:00AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, they would have documented this. Have you been able to date those quarries so we know when in the empire that happened?

• 1:58:04Speaker 03

  No, no, no, I'm gonna, this is something I haven't looked into yet, but it's just that this anomaly here at Sabirch really caught my attention.

• 1:58:12AJ Gentile?

  Because you could see someone like Hadrian would have been respectful of these.

• 1:58:15Speaker 03

  Well, this is what I mean, there seems to be this respect.

• 1:58:17AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 1:58:17Speaker 03

  Because they weren't, they weren't destroying anything. They were getting right up close to it and when they saw something, they stepped back and like left it alone. Probably just thought, leave that, don't want to mess with the spirits or anything like this. So this is, this is like what's happening at Sabirch. They started excavating this a couple of years ago. Giant megaliths, rock cut zones, big U-shaped stones as well as T-shapes. This head was found. We knew about this months ago before we got announced to the public, but we had to keep quiet about it. You know, in respect to the family member who told us about it. Like C3PO looking dude. Yeah. And then this is what it actually looks like in full.

• 1:59:01Speaker 03

  They've actually found this, the rest of the statue. Very bizarre looking thing. So we see that V shape quite a bit, don't we? We're gonna see, yeah, you see the V neck thing quite a bit. And if you look at his mouth, it looks like it's sort of being sewn up. And his eyes look a bit like what people call mollusk shells. Yeah. This is a tradition in the Levant burial, where they would sew the mouth up and put mollusk shells and then plaster the corpse. So is that a representation of that? Um, what do you look at Gobekli Tepe? But there's some other sites here we might want to have a quick look at. So we looked at Navali Chori as well. This is one of the sites that was being excavated way back in the 1980s by, actually by Klaus Schmidt.

• 1:59:41Speaker 03

  This is what inspired him and made him realise there was something significant at Gobekli Tepe from the original discovery there in 1963. But when he was, when he was, uh, excavating this place, it was by the river, it was by the kind of, you know, Euphrates River or a stream coming off. It was called the Kentara Stream. And they found these square enclosures. And they found this building on the bottom right here. Really, really bizarre. This is, I've done a whole thing about this in the upcoming book about innovations of the Tastepola people. This is a strange building. So there was an actual like 16 metre long building, sort of set like 50, 50 odd feet. Yeah. And, and underneath it, it had these kind of carved channels. Yeah.

• 2:00:25Speaker 03

  So what would happen is, and inside the building, it would have these little stones you could move and you can open them up. And so the water from the freezing cold stream would come in. Oh, my goodness. And they would open up the little things and it would cool the whole air down. This is a central air system. This is the first air conditioning in the world. Wow. And, uh, so this, and this is 8,500, 8,300 B.C. So little innovations like that, that get overlooked, but if you look into it, you'll hang on a sec. You know, there's a reason they're doing these little things. Yeah. Um, this is the Tarazza, this is where Tarazza was first discovered in this region. It became, even though they found older versions of it now, this is kind of what some of it looks like.

• 2:01:08Speaker 03

  They have larger stones within the cement type mix. And this is the, the Vedic connection. This is a very large stone head, probably about this big. That was found at Navaali Chori. It's a shaved head with a serpent on the back of it. It looks like a seeker ponytail of a Vedic priest.

• 2:01:26AJ Gentile?

  Hmm.

• 2:01:27Speaker 03

  This is where the Vedic connection really began. People kind of think, oh, how on earth could this design be here? What's going on? We have other, other things like this as well. This is like a kind of wing. This is what Andrew calls the first kind of angel, because it's like a, it's got a winged robe coming, coming around. This very strange looking creature, isn't he? About this big, maybe about a foot tall.

• 2:01:50Speaker 03

  And again, that's from Navaali Chori. And we have this totem pole as well, from Navaali Chori as well. Again, another 3D scan. So you have a vulture on top, you have a human figure, you have other kind of serpent tying elements to it. Much of it's been broken off, but you can see almost it shows the different kind of hair and everything else and the wings.

• 2:02:10AJ Gentile?

  What's your take on the vulture's Cygnus connection with the, with the constellation?

• 2:02:15Speaker 03

  Well, that's actually something that Andrew's very much into. He believes that the different orientations of enclosures at Gobekli Tepe significantly mark the different movements of Cygnus as they change over centuries. And he believes that there was like a kind of portal into the Milky Way where the soul would travel after death.

• 2:02:36AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:02:37Speaker 03

  Because often these hold stones, Gobekli Tepe at least, are in the north where, you know, the soul would go to. And then into the Milky Way, into the Dark Rift. And it was all these, and he discovered all these traditions that may be associated with that. So there's a Cygnus alignment, certainly with these, with these temples. And I think that's, that's very profound, you know, in my opinion. There's also a Southern alignment that other archaeo astronomers have put towards Sirius as well.

• 2:03:01AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 2:03:01Speaker 03

  And they're now finding that in Malta and a woman called Lenny Rijic, brilliant author, who thinks that the Maltese temples could be almost as old as Gobekli Tepe, because they're all aligned to Sirius as well.

• 2:03:13AJ Gentile?

  Hmm.

• 2:03:15Speaker 03

  With the solstice alignments as well, it proves these guys are star watchers. For sure. You can't, but so the problem I have is that the archaeologists are very strongly stating these people weren't looking at the sky because they had roofs over them. And I'm thinking, well, a solstice alignment works with a roof. Sure. Even the Sirius and Cygnus alignments could work with a roof because you're looking on the horizon. Correct. So you'd be below the roof. That's where you would measure it. You wouldn't measure it up in the sky. Between the T pillars in the gap there. So there's, that's one of the issues. And so all our research gets pushed to size as fringe research. Yeah. Because they had roofs, but there's no actual evidence for roofs. I mean, over the main enclosures, over the smaller enclosures, the later ones people may have lived in, yeah.

• 2:04:00Speaker 03

  But they haven't had any actual physical evidence for roofs, none. All they found is two negatives of where wood may have been. Only a couple or three meters, like what, 10, maximum 10 feet long each. Right. But that isn't even long enough to go between two T pillars in some cases. And so it's a big question mark of like, what is going on here? Why are they forcing this narrative into our brains, onto Wikipedia, into all the academic kind of history books and things like this? Good luck editing the Go Beckley Tepe page. They won't let you do it. Tell me about it. Yeah, yeah, I know. And so, yeah, I'm not even bothered to think about that. And so we don't know if there are roofs or not, but if evidence comes forth, we'll accept it and we'll, we'll work it out.

• 2:04:44Speaker 03

  We think the astronomy, a lot of it can still work with certain gaps in roofs, certain windows, even if you're looking high up in the sky at stars. It's, if you've got just one window, you get a really precise, you're sitting on this specific stone bench, which is carved out of bedrock, looking up at a certain spot. You can watch the movement really clearly, you know, and this is how Native Americans did it in their kivas and things like this. And so it's the same principle.

• 2:05:09Speaker 03

  So I think, you know, people have got to look at that again, you know, and like, accept that there could be something going on. And I think Martin Sweattman's work has really pushed the, the idea in the academic world because he got peer reviewed, you know, scientific papers.

• 2:05:22AJ Gentile?

  Didn't he really struggle to get that published though?

• 2:05:24Speaker 03

  He did, but he did get it published. That's the thing. And it went ballistic.

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  All over the world. So that's opened up our research. It's allowed our research to have a bit of leeway. And actually we're working with Martin. I'm kind of working on him, trying to get him to incorporate our winter solstice alignment into his Karan Tepe research because we think it all fits. We think it's the same, his calendar he's found there. We think it, the winter solstice sunrise alignment, the stonehead getting illuminated would be the marker to begin the calendar every year, if it was a calendar. And so, yeah, there's a, there's a lot to come in the future.

• 2:06:50AJ Gentile?

  It must be because the Sumerians were so calendar focused that they had to get that information from somewhere and their knowledge of the circle and 360 degrees and all of that.

• 2:06:59Speaker 03

  Well, they also had a lunar solar calendar as well. We know that. And so this is what was being found in the Karan Tepe's pillar shrine. It's also been found on pillar 43 at Gobekli Tepe. And so it's highly likely that influences came forth from this particular area.

• 2:07:13AJ Gentile?

  Sure.

• 2:07:17Speaker 03

  I'm just, I have to pause for a second, let me just check this. Take your time, I interrupted you, I apologize. That's cool. I just get excited. Let's just check this, I want to find this, um, couple of these other, I just want to kind of cover this. Yeah, this is actually, this is probably quite useful actually, because we were talking about the astronomy.

• 2:07:35Speaker 03

  I want to just cover this, so this is the alignments we're talking about. This is, um, on the left, you've got the northern sky, that's the main strip image there. On the right, you've got the southern sky. And you've got some of the symbolism we've put in here as well, which may be astronomical. For example, the H and the O and the moon symbol on the right, that's on one of the central T pillars, like the neck, kind of insignia area where the V neck is. And they could represent, according to BG Siddharth and JJ, that that could represent the Gemini twins. Because these are, this isn't just an H symbol, it's two figures facing each other, holding kind of hands or dancing or something. Yep. Below that, you've got a lunar and a solar symbol as well, which is really, really interesting.

• 2:08:16Speaker 03

  You've also got on the bottom of the pillar, on the base there, seven flightless birds, which could represent ladies, some people say. Right, the seven sisters. Yeah, and also, you've got this little artifact, about this big, about three inches tall, uh, of, carved on bone, of, it looks like a person looking between two T pillars at the night sky, possibly with Cygnus carved on the bone plaque as well. And so you get all these little symbolism, all this little sort of symbols on these, you know, pieces of stone. And yet, there's no, according to the archaeologists, there's nothing going on there, to do with that. Yeah, they say there's no astronomy at these sites. Absolutely, um. So, in the southern sky, looking at Gemini, then Orion would also factor in as well.

• 2:09:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, and, yeah, you get Taurus as well and other such things. In fact, JJ's done a lot of research on what's called the Golden Gate of the ecliptic, and how she thinks the whole north to the southern sky were moving along this certain path. Um, it's very, she's actually very smart and got this all down, she's going to be putting a whole chapter in the book about it. And so it incorporates all these different elements, and also into earlier myths, some different areas we're doing this, and later cultures as well. And so the astronomical side of it, I think, really needs to be, you know, properly examined. Yep.

• 2:09:32Speaker 03

  And, uh, yeah, this is, uh, what was I going to show you here? Yeah, I want to show you a couple of these other sites in the area before we, uh, I don't want to miss these.

• 2:09:43Speaker 03

  So this is a really interesting little figurines from Gerçuteppe. This is the last site in Tastepola in the whole region. And they found, the first place they started finding, they kind of found one at Gobekli Tepe, but they're not sure, a goddess figurine, like a kind of full-bodied woman figurine, which were later like in the Maltese temples, as you can see here.

• 2:10:07AJ Gentile?

  Yes.

• 2:10:08Speaker 03

  These are from Malta, these are from Hagia Him. On the right, that's the one from Gerçuteppe, which later developed really strongly in places like Malta, which could be just after Gobekli Tepe, the new dating is now being put forward. But Sepheitepe is another site here. This is a very recent discovery of these two stone faces carved on this giant megalithic bench.

• 2:10:29AJ Gentile?

  I was again obsessed with the polish on that.

• 2:10:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, that really is, I mean, the stonework is just, it gets really, really bizarre. Then you have this, like a mace head carved out of volcanic basalt. Two sides to it as well.

• 2:10:43AJ Gentile?

  So there's, it's like a ring shape. What do you think, do you think that a staff went in there?

• 2:10:47Speaker 03

  I think so, yeah. It looks like it's the top of a kind of staff.

• 2:10:50AJ Gentile?

  It does.

• 2:10:50Speaker 03

  It really does. You've got two faces, one on either side, one kind of open. And then you've got Saeber's as well, which we looked at already. But there's so many, so many sites now being uncovered in this area. It just gets more epic the more you look into it.

• 2:11:06AJ Gentile?

  How many Tepe sites do you think there are?

• 2:11:09Speaker 03

  There's officially, there's 12. These are the, this is like the Tastepola super civilization, I call it. But there's a lot more being excavated. There's more that even on this official map that came out.

• 2:11:23AJ Gentile?

  What does your gut tell you? How many are going to be found?

• 2:11:26Speaker 03

  I think there's going to be hundreds.

• 2:11:27AJ Gentile?

  Hundreds?

• 2:11:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think so, because I don't think this is limited to this area. I think they're going to start finding them in other areas of Turkey. They're going to find them in the Levant. They're going to find them off the coast underwater, which they've already started doing. There's going to be more and more found, I think. I think this is going to kind of, you know, really in the process of rewriting an entire history of the planet.

• 2:11:48AJ Gentile?

  Well, look at the resources that are required here. These are clearly very important places, very important places.

• 2:11:58Speaker 03

  And this shouldn't have been happening back then. This is the end of the last ice age. It was actually in the ice age along these sites.

• 2:12:02AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:12:03Speaker 03

  That's what's so baffling.

• 2:12:04AJ Gentile?

  Well, Kukuku goes back to when the ice shelf was there, no?

• 2:12:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, you got so further, much further to the east of this. You've got Bonchoklutala, you've got Cortic Tepe. You've got Griefilahoyek as well. These are a whole series of sites. There's even Cheyanu's up in that area as well, Cheyanu, Tepesi. This, these are fascinating places. These are, some of them predate Gobekli Tepe. So there's a whole, and these are all along the Tigris River. So you've got the Tigris River where all these sites are going back a thousand or more years before Gobekli Tepe. And all the Tastepola sites are closer to the Afretes River. The two paradigms, the rivers of paradise, biblical tradition. And they both go right down into Levant, into Iraq and other places as well, where traditionally those rivers are more famous for being there.

• 2:12:54Speaker 03

  Uh, but these sites over in that area are really interesting. Cause at Cortic Tepe, for instance, you actually find quite small stones like this size, you know, you can hold them in your hand or two hands. And they have 3D relief carvings of abstract animals and figures. And they're 500 to a thousand years older than Gobekli Tepe.

• 2:13:11AJ Gentile?

  Wow.

• 2:13:11Speaker 03

  Showing 3D relief carving, abstract forms. So how is, what's going on there? I mean, so this could be where that idea came from and then blew up in the whole of Tastepola.

• 2:13:24Speaker 03

  So the jury's out on what, what is going on. Were these trading between each other? Were they kind of against each other? Did they start blending and bringing their ideas together? And I think there's a bit, a bit of everything in there. I think it's all going to come to light eventually when more excavation is done.

• 2:13:38AJ Gentile?

  Cause we don't have any records, right? We don't get anything until the, I guess the Phoenicians?

• 2:13:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, you got, what we've got really is, um. Really Sumerian. Sumerian. Venetians, even the Hittites in some respects, you got the Hattians before them. Keeping records. Yeah, and that's it really, Egypt as well. Well, Gilgamesh, they say, is much older than when it was written down, could be, could be this old. This what, actually, I think Graham Hancock wrote an article about that. Did he? That, that Seiberg, the narrative scene at Seiberg is actually, could be a representation of the whole Gilgamesh story, which is really intriguing. I almost said, holy shit. Yeah, yeah. I need to read that. Yeah, that's really, so there's, there's lots of these, I mean, so little has been excavated, that's the problem.

• 2:14:26Speaker 03

  We need more. When more is excavated, it's suddenly, it's all gonna come into, into view, we're gonna know what's going on. Does the government cooperate? Yeah, I mean, there's a, there's a lot of work now, there's Japanese teams coming in, there's teams from Germany, England and other parts of the world, all coming in and working on this project. So many of these sites are starting to get excavated. The most recent one is gonna be Ayen La Hoya. Got a Japanese team, just started on that like two months ago. And it's a new discovery? It's, well, we, we've known about it. In fact, uh, let me show you this, this is, you're gonna like this, this is very interesting, actually. Because Ayen La Hoya was one of the sites that was announced as one of the 12 Tastablea sites when it was all put out there in, um, 2021.

• 2:15:07Speaker 03

  But, so we went to have a look at it ourselves, I think in like 2022, let me just see if I can find this, because this is pretty cool. And, um, not, can't find it, where is it? And we actually found ourselves, this is a fascinating place, a T-pillar lying on the ground in a field. There's no question that that's what that is. That's a T-pillar, it's got a carving on it as well, you can't really see it in this image, but there's actually a small 3D relief carving on one side of it. I mean, it's been like plowed over. Yeah, but there's the plates again. There's plates, and we got to, we got to know the locals, they showed us all these artifacts. There's, and they've just started excavating. And we, we, we discovered this, me and JJ in 2020, we were just driving, thought, gonna look in this field, I've got a feeling there's something in there.

• 2:15:49Speaker 03

  Just found a T-pillar on the floor. Oh, what the hell? And so that really, that really got us. And then every year we go back just to check in on our little pet T-pillar. Yeah. It's still there every time, and no one's taken it, it hasn't been put in a museum, hasn't been collected. Well, where there's one, there's gotta be 11 more, right? God, yeah, there's gonna be a lot more. The thing with Ayen La Hoya, this is gonna blow people away. This is. Going to be bigger than Gobekli Tepe. Okay. Yeah, this is going to be huge. And I think that, you know, it's this map here, you can see there's six, possibly seven large mound areas, whereas Gobekli Tepe has got like four of those possibly, you know, and so that's going to open things up, I think, yeah, quite dramatically. Yeah, Yenlajoyek, and that actually means giant that eats. That's what that means?

• 2:16:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's the translation, which I think is pretty cool. The giants keep coming up? Yeah. Where are you on giants? So are you a giant believer? What were they? Um, I'm a bit of a giantologist. Okay. You could say that. All right. Uh, with my good friend Jim Viera, we've written a couple of books, one on the giants of, uh, North America called Giants on Record, and also another one called The Giants of Stonehenge, Ancient Britain. And we are like, you know, we're kind of a little bit skeptical, you know, we debunked tons of the giant accounts that we've come across. We're not like, you know, we're not just trying to, you know, sell a book, you know, for a story. We genuinely find it a fascinating subject. I do too. Really fascinating.

• 2:17:17Speaker 03

  There's got to be something to it because it shows up in every culture, every myth. Yeah, and you look at like, North America is profound. This is profound here because it's the work of Ross Hamilton, who wrote the book A Tradition of Giants that got me into all this. He's an absolute legend. We call him the Godfather of Giantology. That's his nickname, or the G O G, Gog, and, um, and, uh, he's based in Ohio, so he's in that whole area. And it was his book that really blew my mind because he uncovered hundreds of accounts, but we've uncovered thousands of accounts now. We feature only 250 in our book, 250, but there's, even then, we knew of a thousand. Accounts from newspapers, from? Yeah, newspapers, academic journals, um, doctors' reports, um, you know, people who just dig them up,

• 2:18:00Speaker 03

  send them to the Smithsonian, never to be seen again. Then they disappear, right. And then, uh, even the Smithsonian's own annual reports, they published every year or two. Some of them are in there, up to seven feet, eight feet tall. I didn't know that. Yeah, actually, and we've done a whole chapter called The Smithsonian Files in the book, just to cover that. Um, obviously Nevada has a whole load, you know, we've looked into Lovelock Cave. Right, the red-haired giants. Yeah, the Winamaka petroglyphs and things like that, which are 14 or more thousand years old, which are pretty mind-blowing. Yep. Um, but really, it's the mound culture. Where the real giants are and the Adena people especially. But up in New York State, we found loads up in New England. All the megalithic chambers you have up there.

• 2:18:44Speaker 03

  It is, it is mental, it's mind blowing. I cannot quite understand.

• 2:18:49AJ Gentile?

  Maybe you correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought like the ancient word for Stonehenge, something about giants in the early, early days.

• 2:18:55Speaker 03

  It was called the Giants Dance.

• 2:18:57AJ Gentile?

  It was called, that's what it was.

• 2:18:58Speaker 03

  Or in Welsh, the Chwaio Gigantum, Chwaio Gigantum.

• 2:19:02AJ Gentile?

  A lot of coincidences. And Malta, we talked about giants building out that. Yeah. Enoch has the Book of Giants.

• 2:19:09Speaker 03

  You've got the goddess Sansona in Malta, but with Stonehenge though.

• 2:19:12AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 2:19:12Speaker 03

  So you have this giant myth, um, story that kind of like the giants built Stonehenge. They originally, this is all from the History of the Kings of Britain by Geoffrey Monmouth, 12th century document, that the stones were originally taken to Ireland and they were placed there at a site called Kilos. And then much later, King Ambrosius, who was the kind of king at the time, sent Uther Pendragon over with a 15,000 strong army to go and collect the stones of Kilos, the Giants Dance and bring them to Salisbury Plain to raise it, the, these stones in an, in honor of the slain victims of a war that had taken place. But they couldn't do it. The 15,000 strong army couldn't move one stone. So they had

• 2:19:56Speaker 03

  to send Merlin, the magician over there.

• 2:19:59AJ Gentile?

  I love this story.

• 2:20:00Speaker 03

  He went and got them by using sleight or magic in some stories or pulleys and, you know, technology and other stories. And so somehow, and he did it on his own and brought them over to Salisbury Plain. That's the story. But originally the stones had come from the furthest reaches of Africa and brought over by a race of giants at the very first phase of this.

• 2:20:22AJ Gentile?

  Has that geology been confirmed?

• 2:20:24Speaker 03

  Well, they've actually found trilithons in Libya.

• 2:20:28AJ Gentile?

  Oh.

• 2:20:28Speaker 03

  Actual trilithons, actually megalithic, what looked like Stonehenge, which is bizarre. There's, there's myths of giants in the area as well. Um.

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• 2:21:06Speaker 03

  But there's more stories of giants around Stonehenge. One of them is a book that was written in 1666

• 2:21:14Speaker 03

  called A Fool's Bolt Soon Shot at Stonehenge by Reverend Robert Gay, was his name. He lived in Somerset. And he was a bit of an anarchist for his time, but he wrote this book and he found out all these old legends of Stonehenge, that it was actually built by a tribe of giants called the Kangig Giants. This is, it's all in the book, so we cover all this in the book as well. And that they had built it as a place to honour their dead as well. But also, there's actual giant accounts, actually giant burials were found near Stonehenge. Skeletons, large skeletons? Yeah, in 1719, just in a mound called the Giant's Grave in Salisbury, which is a few miles south of Stonehenge, they found a nine foot four inch skeleton and it was reported in numerous newspapers at the time.

• 2:22:00Speaker 03

  And before that, in the early 1500s, Sir Thomas Elliot, he was the gentleman who wrote the first Latin dictionary. He was a well-known scholar, educated at Cambridge, places like this. He discovered a 14 foot 10 inch skeleton in a log coffin in the grounds of what became known as some kind of abbey in the area, but it was obviously a much earlier burial, very, very, very, very deep in the ground. And it had this strange metal disc with all these inscriptions on it. And also this book with these inscriptions on it. Where is this? Is that? This is, this is near Stonehenge. I mean, do these artefacts still exist? No, they disappeared within a few years.

• 2:22:44Speaker 03

  But this was reported on by a very, very famous, I mean, Thomas Elliot is a well-known guy. And so there's lots of people went and witnessed this and reported on it. But the range of height went from 12 foot 10 inches to 14 foot 10 inches. It changed for different accounts. But this was documented and it was like, how can this be ignored? No one knows about this. And it's in all these old books. Then, you know, these inscriptions on it, no one knows what they were or what happened to the, they called it tin and lead disc somehow. They knew it was made of tin and had all these inscriptions on it. But the skeleton crumbled to dust and that was the end of that. But very odd. And then you have,

• 2:23:24Speaker 03

  If you actually go to Salisbury now, this is like the city near where I live. In the museum there, they have a giant on display. No, not a skeleton. This is like a paper mache giant.

• 2:23:36AJ Gentile?

  Okay.

• 2:23:37Speaker 03

  But the thing is, this is part of an old tradition. Where the giant, since the fourteen hundreds, the secret societies in this area, the the Taylors Guild and such things. They would parade this giant around the town. Um, just after the summer solstice on Saint John the Baptist Day. Um, and then have this hobby horse following it around or clearing the path so it wouldn't fall on people. And this was, and this was going on since the fourteen hundreds, and he became known as Saint Christopher. Now, for those of you that know biblical saints, you'll know that Saint Christopher was a Canaanite giant from the Bible lands.

• 2:24:15AJ Gentile?

  That's right.

• 2:24:15Speaker 03

  Who, who carried Jesus over on his shoulder across the river when Jesus was a baby. And turned away from this whole kind of warrior caste that he was involved with, with the Canaanites and became like this, um. Um, you know, a Christian, if you like, and uh, but, but what, how is all this connected? All these weird stories, and we go into it in great detail in the book, obviously, we kind of uncover all these old texts. And kind of piece it all together because there's, it seems to be this Canaanite biblical story connected with Stonehenge.

• 2:24:46AJ Gentile?

  Could this be Nephilim? Is there, aren't Nephilim actually on earth?

• 2:24:50Speaker 03

  Could be. Who knows? I mean, it's, it gets weird. I mean, there's a lot of accounts in Wiltshire and southeast, sorry, the southwest of England when it comes to that. Um, but you know, while, while on the subject of Stonehenge, I mean, I want to just mention this because. This is really interesting. It fits back in with what we were talking about. So we have Stonehenge here. There's an aerial photograph on the summer solstice. You can see the way that the light from the, the stone on the far right there. You know, kind of, it's like a kind of phallic shadow penetrating the kind of feminine circle and things like this. It's all like symbolic. But this solstice alignment, the famous summer solstice alignment at Stonehenge.

• 2:25:31Speaker 03

  There's a much older one there. It goes back ten thousand years. So this is why I think the Quebecois, you know, explorers. Sure. Were coming to this part of the world. Right. Um, because they found these ten thousand year old, large pine post holes. Where the car park used to be, there used to be three blobs of paint in the car park. Is it an artist's impression of what they would have looked like? It could have been up to thirty feet tall. And they know it was pine. They found charcoal and dated it, that they estimated the height based upon the width and depth. And these were east-west, more or less. And they were within thirty yards of Stonehenge where it is now.

• 2:26:11Speaker 03

  But also, in Stonehenge, you have, I'll have to explain this a little bit. Um, in Stonehenge, you've got this, at the bottom there, you've got the Stonehenge circle. But in there, they found this mound, which was ten thousand years, that was five thousand years before Stonehenge was built. It was like, they found this Mesolithic kind of stuff inside there, which is basically, it means that age before the Neolithic. But then they found from there, along going to the northeast, they found these parallel ridges called periglacial strips. These are natural features. But if you're inside at that mound, looking down these natural features,

• 2:26:51Speaker 03

  it's the summer solstice sunrise. Yeah, which is really interesting. And then at the far bottom of the hill, there's another mound was constructed called Newell's mound, based upon the guy who found it. Um, but then later, when, so that was all happening, ten thousand years ago, they may have been looking at the solstice. And the opposite direction is the winter solstice sunset. Right. But then later, they create Stonehenge around this mound. And where the periglacial strips are, they build, they carve out an avenue going in exactly the same direction. And now that's the one everyone celebrates for the summer solstice. Yeah. So this was happening five thousand years earlier. They were probably studying the summer solstice at Stonehenge.

• 2:27:35Speaker 03

  Before any stones were put in place. And it's now known, the Amesbury, where I live, this whole area, this is the oldest continually inhabited area of the whole of Britain. There's a site called Blickmead, just down the road from there, which was a known kind of gathering site. There's a spring there. Dr David Jerks is brilliant archaeologist, I know him personally, I've been to a few digs, they found, they actually found evidence going older than that now in the area. In Amesbury, they found going back 12,000 years ago, not just 10,000. So that puts it right into the frame.

• 2:28:08AJ Gentile?

  Yeah, it does.

• 2:28:10Speaker 03

  So, so they were doing the solstice here 10,000 years ago at least. Possibly, it could have been earlier, now they found these earlier dates.

• 2:28:17AJ Gentile?

  Because we keep running up against, almost feels like a hard limit of the Ice Age.

• 2:28:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:28:22AJ Gentile?

  It feels like we can't get too far beyond that.

• 2:28:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, that, that, that is because, especially in the northern climate here, you're going to have a lot of ice.

• 2:28:30AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:31Speaker 03

  But, the thing is, you have, I forget the name, you have the kind of, the warm, the warm strips of heat coming over from the Atlantic and everything, warming things up in Britain, still what happens today. And, so, a lot of England would have been cleared of ice by the end of the last Ice Age, and so they could have got to Stonehenge easily. They could have got, because it would have been joined to Europe, because of Doggerland.

• 2:28:56AJ Gentile?

  That's right.

• 2:28:56Speaker 03

  So they could have walked there.

• 2:28:58AJ Gentile?

  And that was, that was a fringe theory for a long time.

• 2:29:00Speaker 03

  I know.

• 2:29:00AJ Gentile?

  When they found habitation there.

• 2:29:02Speaker 03

  But what they found as well is, I'm not sure if I've got it here, yeah, so this is now, this is actually one of my photos from the summer solstice, that's the alignment going, it's all covered in mist, the avenue, but it's pretty beautiful.

• 2:29:13AJ Gentile?

  Yep.

• 2:29:14Speaker 03

  Beautiful experience doing that, and, okay, let me just find this one image, because what they found is, if you go, even if you go further north, much further north than Stonehenge, you can go all the way up to, should be here, oh, it is, yeah. So you can go all the way up to Aberdeenshire, and this area here would have been just free of ice at the end of the last, you know, towards the end of the last Ice Age, yeah. And Professor Vince Gaffney, he came and spoke at our conference partly about this, they found another site there called Warrenfield, this goes back to 10,000 years ago as well, and they found again these giant post holes, all in this like arc, all in this arc going across this field.

• 2:29:59Speaker 03

  And they found to their surprise that it aligned not only to the winter solstice sunrise, but it also marked the different moon phases. So it was like a Looney Solar calendar. Somehow they encoded that. They call it the the kind of Warren Field time reckoner, which is a pretty cool name. It is. And they were doing that 10,000 years ago. They were measuring the moon and the sun on the winter solstice. And so to me, I have to question, who would be doing this unless there was a project in place? Yep. To go and study this. This is ancient knowledge. Hmm. Tens of thousands of years. So this goes back at least 10,000 years ago. And uh you got also is happening at Stonehenge.

• 2:30:39Speaker 03

  And so the thing is, the further north you go, the more you realize when you're studying the movements of the sun and the moon, especially because the moon, you know, it literally doesn't, you know, go below the horizon when you get to a certain latitude north, like in Orkney and places like that, that you would have easily been able to know this. You could have worked out the size and shape of the earth by these observations and measurements quite easily. Right, just from the shadows, I think. Yeah, at certain times of year, as long as you stick to the same date, you can get different shadow lengths and things like this. Yep. Um. And so that is fascinating to me. So these are little clues that I think the people of Quebec-Litpepe were a scientific research project moving around the planet, all in different directions. They wanted to go as far north as they could. That was the primary thing, I think.

• 2:31:23Speaker 03

  And then you have the Book of Enoch. Not only do they talk about taking cords and going off to measure, they describe horrific weather, which would have been appropriate for Scotland. That's right. He talks about the winds being born and things like that. Yeah, really extreme weather and also like really short, you know, really short days and long nights, which you would get the further north you go, you know, things like this. Lots of little clues you keep finding. And so, I mean, this is, again, we can't prove this yet or ever, I don't know, but hopefully one day. But it's an interesting idea because why were they making all these detailed measurements, all these different latitudes? Because we, you know, the Stonehenge latitude is quite interesting as well. Is it? Well, yeah, it's very interesting. Um, because the summer solstice sunrise alignment,

• 2:32:08Speaker 03

  which is also the winter solstice sunset alignment. Is marked at a specific latitude to go at a certain angle. But it's also got what's called the four station stones, like a rectangle around the edge of Stonehenge. And each of the alignments between these four stones mark the different extreme moon cycles, the eighteen point six year metonic moon cycle. And they perfectly form this rectangle. And then directly adjacent to that, perfectly, you know, perpendicular to that is the summer solstice element, like it's all just boom, it works. But if you were to go twenty miles south or north, that whole rectangle would warp to get the same results.

• 2:32:48AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:32:49Speaker 03

  So it's almost like they chose that latitude because it was important to them to make certain measurements of the moon, combined with the solstice. So when you start looking at different latitudes, you find these different things. You would talk, mentioned this earlier, quite interested in latitudes. I really got to credit the work of Howard Crowhurst, he's a great guy to talk to as well, he's he's a minefield of information. And he's found that that they were using different latitudes, in Britain he started, that's where he lives, he's English, but he lives there. He found all these different latitudes, very much focused on, they would mark where the sun would rise, the solstices, it would mark exactly the three, four, five triangle of things like this. Then when you go up to different latitudes in different parts of the world, it would mark different angles,

• 2:33:32Speaker 03

  like the golden section or the triple square or something like this. So all these different ideas started emerging and he's written, he's written a lot about this, he's done it in England, he's done it in Britain, he started applying it to test Teppler as well. And I think we're going to find more and more of that, that there was this scientific, very ancient project to go and measure the earth and study what was going on. And it was probably to do with

• 2:33:57Speaker 03

  after the last ice age, it was to do with, because there's cataclysm had taken place, things had changed. They wanted, all the, probably a lot of stuff got lost, a lot of sites destroyed, a lot of information went astray.

• 2:34:08AJ Gentile?

  Well, clearly there's, there's technology that's gone.

• 2:34:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:34:11AJ Gentile?

  That just disappeared.

• 2:34:12Speaker 03

  I mean, but even with these, you don't, you don't need that much technology.

• 2:34:15AJ Gentile?

  No.

• 2:34:16Speaker 03

  You just need to be at the place and actually make the observations, keep the records, usually encoded in myths and stories.

• 2:34:23AJ Gentile?

  Do you think there was practical reasons for this? Not so much ritualistic, but we need to measure this stuff so we don't go through that again?

• 2:34:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, quite possibly, yeah. They wanted to, maybe it was a way of, you know, studying the sky to see if anything else like that might occur in the future. And actually, you did a video about this based on Martin Swetman's research about the cataclysm, how pillar forty-three may encode that. Yes. And it was like a warning and a concern. They wanted to get something down in stone so they could warn their future ancestors and things like this. So it could be the same principle. Maybe the information that eventually ended up in places like Cebecle Tepe may have been collected from these people going around and collecting it from these different areas of the planet. So it's pretty epic when you get into it. It is. Did you study any of Venus cycles? Yeah, only a little, because that often works along with the winter solstice. Yes.

• 2:35:14Speaker 03

  So we found that, yeah, we do find that at Cebecle, sorry, at Carahan Tepe. And this is really because in a book called Uriel's Machine, Uriel's Machine, yeah, by Robert Lornes and Christopher Knight, they, it's a fantastic book, if you've read it, and absolutely brilliant piece of work, and they found that Newgrange, and even Brink Headley Dee, another burial chamber in Wales, in Anglesey, had this potential Venus alignment, which would occur around the time of the winter solstice every eight years. Right. And it would be bright enough to illuminate the inside of the chamber like the sun does on the winter solstice at Newgrange. So we applied that to Karahan Tepe.

• 2:35:53Speaker 03

  Same thing occurs there. The starlight, at certain times every eight years, if the conditions are correct, it would be bright enough before sunrise to shine through the porthole stone and illuminate the stone head. That same stone? Yeah, the one we were talking about earlier. Possibly. We haven't, we tried to go, we tried to do that in December, but the problem was, this part of the cycle is that Venus was too close to the sun, so you couldn't really see it. Right. It was hidden behind the light of the sun. And so, but another, you know, another few years, you might be able to catch it a couple of hours before the sun, and then you're going to get, it's going to come up bright, and you could catch a slight illumination in exactly the same place of the sun. Few hours later.

• 2:36:37AJ Gentile?

  I love the theory that that the star of Bethlehem could actually be Venus. Which makes a lot of sense.

• 2:36:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I think this is a one of the calibration. It's not star, it's a planet, but it's a calibration of calendars as well. Because it repeats a cycle every eight years and it has longer cycles where it returns to its exact position. Um, which can calibrate a longer cycle as well, which is what we know the Mayans and the possibly the Olmecs.

• 2:37:03AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:37:03Speaker 03

  Were doing as well.

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• 2:37:36Speaker 03

  So there's a lot going on in this part of the world, potentially, you know, potentially.

• 2:37:42AJ Gentile?

  I think there is. Um, any more slides you want to show us before we let you go?

• 2:37:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, for sure. Why don't we have a quick look at this?

• 2:37:48AJ Gentile?

  Um, I mean, I'll keep you here another hour if you want.

• 2:37:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:37:53Speaker 03

  Want to have a quick, well, while we're talking about, we mentioned the Mayan and the Olmecs, I wanted to mention this because this is like, um, just it's actually a new discovery in Olmec land. There's not many people know about this. Not this, this is quite a well-known Olmec head. This is the largest Olmec head at La Capata in the Santiago Tuxla Town Square in Mexico. They found 17 of these heads, but a potential 18th has been found, which I want to just quickly show you. Now, this one's actually from Tres Apotes. This is one of the known ones. But you like the 3D scan, so I just thought I'd show this. Um, shows you some really beautiful little detail on it. These are gigantic. I mean, some of these are up to 40 tons.

• 2:38:30AJ Gentile?

  Forty tons.

• 2:38:31Speaker 03

  Some are, most of them are about 15, 20.

• 2:38:33AJ Gentile?

  Would they have been resting on the ground back then? What was the purpose of these?

• 2:38:38Speaker 03

  Yes, these would, these would have been resting on the ground. Yeah, yeah, they wouldn't have a necks or bodies or anything like that. But yeah, these are fascinating to me. This is one of the, I mean, this is much later. This is like 1500 B.C. at the earliest, really.

• 2:38:51AJ Gentile?

  What do you think that hole is there for?

• 2:38:52Speaker 03

  Now, I'm not sure about, I mean, you get a lot of this kind of obscure kind of carvings on these. Um, but what I wanted to really show you is, is this new discovery from Laventa. This is a very, this is only discovered like less than a year ago and it's not been documented by anything academically, you know. A couple of friends of mine, Luke Caverns, he went there, I've visited it as well and we kind of reported on it. And this is, this, the one remaining Olmec site you can visit is fifteen hundred or twelve hundred B.C. in Tabasco State. High level cartel activity there now, it was very dangerous when we were there actually.

• 2:39:29Speaker 03

  But this is a very bizarre statue that was found, and it's like a female statue, it's kind of got this kind of feminine, yoni kind of look to it. And it's beautifully shaped and carved, it's got an interior with carvings inside it, it's partly broken. But what on earth is this? But this is so bizarre. I've just got to look at this again. Look at this. When you've got an entrance into it, it's almost like a female, you know, labia and things like that.

• 2:39:57AJ Gentile?

  It does.

• 2:39:58Speaker 03

  It's very, very interesting. And nothing like this I've seen in Olmec land. I've been going to Olmec land for fifteen plus years. And so there are new discoveries still being made in places like this as well.

• 2:40:09AJ Gentile?

  Now, the phallus you see all the time, but rarely do you see something like that.

• 2:40:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, it's like the opposite really. Then I had a chance, which is I've been wanting to go here for literally over fifteen years. This is the quarry of the Olmecs. This is called La Llano de Jicaro. And I've been, I didn't know, the location is hidden, no one knew the location. Only one archaeologist, who we happened to bump into in a museum that he happens to be the curator of, Alfredo de Gado, the Halapa Museum. Doesn't speak any English, we speak very little Spanish, but we still managed to work out, can you take us to the quarry? And he said, yes. We were like, ah, so we, we got to go. And like, the thing about this quarry is, is that it's still used to relatively recently as a sacred place, like offerings are still made on some of the stones.

• 2:40:55Speaker 03

  And there's loads of megaliths still there. Like this one here, for instance, is a half carved megalith.

• 2:41:01AJ Gentile?

  So no one knows where this is?

• 2:41:03Speaker 03

  No, I mean, even even if I had the location of it, the GPS of it, and I went there, I wouldn't be able to find it.

• 2:41:08AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:41:09Speaker 03

  Because it's scattered around like several acres in private land, but it's boiling hot. It's like you can't see the stones unless you clear away the kind of the grass and everything. But what he thinks is found there is the is another Olmec head. This one here is literally sitting beneath me there. And this is like a big discovery, but no one's interested. It's like, it's not really been documented at all. And this is a 3D scanner. But you've got to remember, this has not been carved yet. This is the first phase of them digging this Olmec head out of the ground.

• 2:41:39AJ Gentile?

  Right.

• 2:41:41Speaker 03

  And so, yeah, not much to look at now, but it's the first, you know, piece of the puzzle. And so I just want to put this on here because you people, you know, got to realize there's stuff still being found, there's stuff still hidden in places like this. And when it comes to, you know, the whole Tastepola sites, there's going to be a lot more coming out of there as well.

• 2:41:59AJ Gentile?

  Yeah.

• 2:42:00Speaker 03

  And so I'm just absolutely fascinated by that, um, about what is coming out of the ground.

• 2:42:06AJ Gentile?

  Uh, Hugh Newman, thank you so much for coming in today. This has been a joy.

• 2:42:10Speaker 03

  My pleasure.

• 2:42:10AJ Gentile?

  This has been a treat. Thanks. Thanks again.

• 2:42:12Speaker 03

  Really appreciate it.

• 2:42:13AJ Gentile?

  Buy his books and where can we find you online?

• 2:42:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, sure. Um, I could just Google my name, Hugh Newman, um, pretty easy to find. Um, also, we have the megalithomania.co.uk website, and we have a Megalithomania YouTube channel and things like that.

• 2:42:28AJ Gentile?

  Which is brilliant.

• 2:42:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, we've got a thousand plus videos on there and other such things. Um, yeah, they can, they can just contact us through there. I mean, we, we do the obviously, we did the conference every May. Uh, it's our 20th anniversary. You can come along if you want to come to fancy, fancy town called Glastonbury. And, uh, we do another conference called the Origins Conference, sometimes in November in Wiltshire. And we have, we go much more into the deep origins of civilization, that kind of vibe, a bit less megaliths, but more super ancient stuff. And that's, that's a collaboration with Andrew Collins as well. And we take, we do take groups out as well to many of these sites we've been talking about. We take tours out there. That, that really helps us because it helps fund our projects because we're completely independent. This is like a full time thing. We really.

• 2:43:12Speaker 03

  We had time to focus on our research and getting the books out and getting the research, you know, put in place. And it takes a lot of time and energy, as you know, with this kind of thing, when you're researching your shows, it's pretty intense. And we encourage people to, you know, check out what we're up to and maybe join us in Turkey or in some other part of the world where we take groups to. We have a lot of fun.

• 2:43:34AJ Gentile?

  I'm gonna take you up on that. And next time you're in, we'll talk about the haunted house you live in.

• 2:43:38Speaker 03

  Oh, my God. Yeah, that's a whole other story.

• 2:43:40AJ Gentile?

  Bye, everybody. So Hugh Newman, that was dense, and we covered a lot. And I could have talked to him for another two hours. So let's break it down. Here's what we can verify. Hugh is the real deal. He's been running the Megalith Mania Conference since 2006. You've seen him on Ancient Aliens, all kinds of TV shows. He's published multiple books. I could prove it. I have the books. Giants of Stonehenge, Giants on Rec... These are great books on giants. He published... I'll get there. It's not professional operations. Earth Grids, Stone Circles, and Gobekli Tepe and Karanteppe, the world's first megaliths. I know it's small, but it's still, it's good. It's good. Look, it's bigger than any book

• 2:44:24AJ Gentile?

  I ever wrote. Anyway, he's been to these places dozens of times, and he's not speculating from his couch. He's out there measuring T-pillars and flying a drone while dodging the Turkish military. Now, the sites themselves are well documented. Gobekli Tepe dates to around 9,600 B.C. and Karanteppe is dated to roughly 9,400 B.C. These are accepted dates from the German Archaeological Institute and ongoing Turkish excavations. The tarozol floors, the 3D relief carvings, the bedrock engineering, that's all confirmed. We talked about Dr. Martin Sweppen at the University of Edinburgh. He published a peer-reviewed paper in 2017 arguing that Pillar 43, that's the vulture stone, that that encodes a date corresponding to the Younger Dryas impact.

• 2:45:10AJ Gentile?

  It took them like two or three years to get that through because it's controversial. But now it's published science, so things may be coming around. Alexander Topp, I've talked about him before. He's the guy who came up with the Megalithic Yard, 2.72 feet. He's found it all over ancient sites and he came up with that number from surveying over 500 stone circles across Britain and he published in Megalithic Sites in Britain in 1967. It's controversial, but it's fun. Now the big claims. Hugh says he's finding those same measurement systems, the Megalithic Yard, the Persian foot, the Sumerian foot. He says he's finding them at Gobekli Tepe and Karahantep.

• 2:45:51AJ Gentile?

  Now, that would push back standardized metrology, which is the study of measurement. It would push that back 7,000 years earlier than mainstream archaeology accepts. I like annoying them. He also suggests the builders were measuring the Earth itself, encoding its dimensions into the distances between sites. 1 million Persian feet from Gobekli Tepe to Stonehenge. 1 million eden. The diameter of the Earth encoded in the distance to Perus Portantia. Now, these are huge claims and I couldn't independently verify those specific distance calculations and his measurement work at the Turkish sites hasn't been peer reviewed yet and he acknowledges that. But the numbers are interesting enough to keep watching.

• 2:46:35AJ Gentile?

  Now, the winter solstice alignment at Karahantep. Hugh and J.J. Ainsworth witnessed sunlight passing through a carved pothole and illuminating a stone head, only on the solstice. They've gone back multiple years and it keeps happening. You can go see for yourself. Now, if that's engineered, and it sure looks like it is, then these people understood precision astronomy 6,000 years before Stonehenge. Now, that's a problem for the conventional timeline and it's the kind of problem I like. Look, Hugh's the guy who shows up. He measures things. He puts his data out there for everyone to check out. He's not trying to sell you aliens or lost continents. He's just saying the math doesn't add up with the story that we've been told.

• 2:47:16AJ Gentile?

  And I think he's right that we need more disciplines at the table, like acoustics, astronomy, metrology, not just guys who studied pottery. Now, if you want to go deeper, and you should, check out his books. Gobekli Tepe and Karahantep, The World's First Megaliths. That's the one to start with. That title's so big, it hardly fits on a tiny book. I'm sorry, I'm just joking, of course. It's good, I read it last night. Start there. His YouTube channel, I'll probably link down below. It's Megalithamania UK, I think? He's got over a thousand videos on there. I've been a sub of his for a long time. And if you ever see him talking to Andrew Collins, definitely watch those. His website is, I gotta read this, megalithomania.co.uk.

• 2:48:01AJ Gentile?

  Now, if you're feeling adventurous, he runs tours to these sites. Now, I'm thinking about taking one, because he has access to places that most people can't get. Tim Hogan, we had on here a couple of weeks ago, is the same thing. I guess we have a lot of tours coming up. Now, I've done episodes that overlap a lot with what Hugh covered. Darren Cuyu, The Megalithic Yard, Proving Atlantis, Book of Enoch. I kept going back to Enoch, because I'm obsessed with it. Giants of Malta is an episode. All worth a re-watch after this conversation. Did I get all of it? I think I did. Until next time, be safe, be kind, and know that you are appreciated.

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