#1130 Jake Paul on Andrew Tate, MrBeast, UFC, Logan Paul & Making Millions

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• 0:02Anthony Pompliano?

  What's up everyone, this is Anthony Pompliano. Most of you know me as Pomp. You're listening to the Pomp Podcast, simply the best podcast out there. Now let's kick this thing off. Jake Paul is a boxer, entrepreneur, investor, and content creator. In this conversation, we talk about it all: his boxing career, if he would have been a bigger YouTuber than Mr. Beast if he had stuck with it, what he does with his money today, how much money he makes, who else he wants to fight, why he's got beef with Dana White, and much, much more. I really enjoyed this conversation with Jake, and I hope you guys enjoy it as well. Let's get into this episode, and let me know afterwards on Twitter what you think. This episode is brought to you by OKX. They're the world's most powerful crypto exchange, and now the second largest in terms of volume. It offers a comprehensive trading

• 0:44Anthony Pompliano?

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• 1:28Anthony Pompliano?

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• 2:10Anthony Pompliano?

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• 2:40Speaker 01

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• 3:04Anthony Pompliano?

  All right, guys. Bang, bang. I've got Jake here with me. I thought a great place to start would be, you started off your career on the internet. You weren't fighting, you weren't doing anything, you were making content. If you had stuck with YouTube, could you have been bigger than Mr. Beast?

• 3:16Speaker 02

  No.

• 3:17Anthony Pompliano?

  No?

• 3:17Speaker 02

  No.

• 3:18Anthony Pompliano?

  Why not?

• 3:19Speaker 02

  He's obsessed with it and has like such a deep passion for it. And so, simply just because of that, you can't beat someone who loves it more than you.

• 3:28Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. Were you obsessed with it, just he was more obsessed, or it was something that you knew was a stepping stone to some other career?

• 3:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, for me, it was a stepping stone, and I just did it since I was a kid, and I was like, good at it, and it was making a lot of money. And I worked really hard at it. I innovated, changed the game, like, of course, but I saw a gap in the market when I first started vlogging, where like, people aren't doing this in a dope way. They're not telling storylines, they're not connecting all their vlogs, they don't have a cast of characters. So I definitely was like innovative in that sense, because I was good at it, but I knew this wasn't what I wanted to do forever. And there was a point where I actively like stopped doing YouTube, just because I couldn't stand it anymore.

• 4:15Anthony Pompliano?

  When you started doing the YouTube stuff, did you have friends that are like, "What the fuck are you doing?"

• 4:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, I I mean, at first it was just like so early on, like my friends thought it was like funny. And we were all like just go around the town and making these crazy pranks and crazy YouTube videos and just like

• 4:35Speaker 02

  doing stupid shit all the time and everyone loved it when we would upload the videos and we would get like three hundred views, which in high school, that's like damn near the whole high school. Um, and the teachers thought it was funny. They the teachers would like play it uh on the TV screens. Um, and that's really where it all started and we were just bored. Like my brother and I got a camera, uh, and there was nothing else to do in the summer. So we'd literally be sitting there outside and we just started pressing record. Uh, we'd watch the videos back and think it was hilarious. And then we just really just started it as a as a hobby.

• 5:12Anthony Pompliano?

  One of the things I see with a lot of people who end up being successful, creating content on any of the platforms. Uh, you pretty much know like, hey, this video is gonna be viral. This one's not. It was how you guys felt early on. Like it was almost like this innate ability to understand. This is gonna play or you did you have to learn that over time?

• 5:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, I had to learn it over time. I think one of the videos that we've made went viral. And once we got that taste of viral success, we're like, okay, a video has to be this good.

• 5:39Speaker 02

  To to, you know, get featured on the homepage of it. It was Vine at the time. Um, and so it set a standard and a bar. Uh, and then slowly we realized, okay, like you you really have to create genius concepts for people to to pay attention here and to to share it and for it to get sent around to people and once we got a little bit of a taste of that, uh, we just attacked that, you know, that formula every single day and um. Overtime, yeah, like now I know what videos will go viral or what won't. But there's still some like randomness to it though, too. Like you can't always, you can't always predict it to a T, but.

• 6:24Anthony Pompliano?

  Susan and the YouTube gods gotta bless you. You know, the CEO of YouTube, I feel like sometimes the algorithm, they just like you, sometimes they don't. So it's a little bit of a luck of the draw.

• 6:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, man, and it's weird now. It's just like super strict. And I saw this coming like a while ago where all of the algorithms were changing. There was so much more competition. And now you have to really like hack the algorithms and like the first 30 seconds of the video matters so much. It's all about watch time, you know, if you swear in your videos, it's gonna go to less people. It's very like PG. And.

• 7:04Anthony Pompliano?

  It's a science.

• 7:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, and that's the science that Mr. Beast also mastered and he curates his videos. Because, you know, you have to, okay, you have to watch till the end to see who's gonna get the money, who's gonna get the prize, but the whole entire time it's fun because people are getting eliminated. And so his style of video, you know, you start watching it's big, you know, bold caption. It's curated for a younger audience who's gonna sit there and watch the whole entire thing. And that's, that's, he's a numbers guy. When I, when I first met him, the biggest thing I was surprised about is he just is like mathematician with all that.

• 7:40Anthony Pompliano?

  Is there a similarity between him studying like game film essentially of other YouTubers or even himself? And what you're doing now with boxing and kind of how obsessive you are with trying to be the best boxer in the world?

• 7:50Speaker 02

  For sure. Yeah, and that goes back to the passion and the drive and the desire to be the best. And I think in boxing, I started, you know, late. So there's this, I have uphill battle and that's where the obsession comes from. And it's, it's something, it's a sport that you can never master. And to me that is exciting because you could always learn something new. You could always add to your game. And everyone doesn't think, you know, I could become a world champion.

• 8:23Anthony Pompliano?

  Do you think that?

• 8:24Speaker 02

  I know that, I know that I will. And to me, it's just gonna be like a fun, a fun journey and a crescendo to this cra- already crazy boxing story. But. Definitely accredited all to that hard work and that people don't realize how obsessed I am with it. Like, I'm really a student of the game. I have three coaches watching me every moment while I'm practicing and they correct, you know, if my toe position is not in the right spot, the angles at which I attack, how I'm turning my punches over, what combinations and

• 9:04Speaker 02

  just down to the finest details, watching back film every single time after sparring, which a lot of pro boxers don't do. A lot of pro boxers, interestingly enough, don't even film their sparring sessions. And even fewer of them watch it back with their coaches going second by second, you know, depicting and changing and talking about what was going on in that film. And then doing that on a consistent basis. And then even watching, I watch other fighters with my coaches and we

• 9:37Speaker 02

  just talk about everything that they're doing.

• 9:39Anthony Pompliano?

  What did your training regimen look like on the boxing side, right? Like, I think I've talked to you enough now where I think I understand you really are obsessed with it. But if you sat down with someone and was like, let me prove that to you. Like, walk through the daily training regimen because I think that speaks volumes to like the work you're doing when the cameras aren't actually on.

• 9:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, so.

• 9:58Anthony Pompliano?

  You're literally laughing because you know that it's fucking insane.

• 10:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's insane. I'm like, okay, so let's just take like a Monday in camp at the start of camp.

• 10:10Speaker 02

  It would be, you know, wake up

• 10:14Speaker 02

  right away, like have some oatmeal. And then usually we would go to the boxing gym, box for like an hour and a half to two hours and that's shadow boxing, hitting the mitts, hitting the speed bag, maybe hitting the heavy bag. You know, going over, talking about stuff and doing certain drills with the coaches. And then after that, I would typically do a cool down stretch. I have like a stretch therapist for 30 minutes and then I go into this red light bed that we have with like oxygen to get rid of like my oxidative stress

• 10:58Speaker 02

  and sit in the red light therapy bed and then go home.

• 11:06Speaker 02

  Get another meal, take a, or sorry, ice bath at home, ice bath, hot tub at home. Then get another meal, take a nap, wake back up at night, go back in for the strength and conditioning workout.

• 11:23Speaker 02

  Which is, could usually be like three to five mile jog, plus like a weightlifting session. So it'd be like back and buys, or if it's legs, we're lifting for like an hour, hour and a half.

• 11:38Speaker 02

  And then abs, we do abs after that, and then neck workouts as well. Neck workouts are like a big part of our, our regime, just having a strong neck so you can get hit in the face.

• 11:52Speaker 02

  And then another cool down stretch after that, oh, hand eye coordination too. So we would do like speed drills with like catching tennis balls and stuff like that. And then another cool down, back again into the red light, the red light bed, and then back home, ice bath again.

• 12:14Speaker 02

  Shower, eat, do some business, then go to sleep.

• 12:18Anthony Pompliano?

  So when you started, let's say you were at a zero, world champion is a 10, where do you think you are right now? In that kind of journey to being good enough to be a world champion?

• 12:27Speaker 02

  That's a good question. I would say I'm probably at a seven or eight.

• 12:36Speaker 02

  Probably more like a seven and a half and exponentially growing. Cause once you understand the game and you, you know, put in those 10,000 hours, which is what I'm like approaching. You can make minute adjustments and you have the muscles, you have, you know, the cardio, you understand the ring, you're comfortable. You fought in front of 20,000 people, that's, that's half the battle, it's half mental. So mentally, I'm a world champion. Physically, my, the boxing is just catching up. And it's not going to be that much longer, but I spar against world champions.

• 13:11Anthony Pompliano?

  Like who?

• 13:12Speaker 02

  Former world champions as well. Steve Cunningham, he was like a three-time world champion, Chad Dawson, three-time world champion.

• 13:21Anthony Pompliano?

  And what happens when you guys are sparring? You're sparring against people who obviously are very skilled, who have had great success in boxing. Is it like, oh, cool, I can hang with them? Are you knocking them out? Like, what does that look like? Are they knocking you out? What's happening?

• 13:33Speaker 02

  No, it's, I'm hanging with them and sometimes I win rounds, sometimes they will get around. But they're not, they're not in their prime, right? So they're like, they're former world champions.

• 13:46Speaker 02

  But I've gone up against the best of the best, like, current people who are in the top ranks, and I always hang with them. And people like can't believe that, you know? You even see, like, when I announced I was sparring with Chad Dawson, all the comments were like, haha, like, man, it's, it must be so nice, like Chad's taking it easy on him. Like, if he actually sparred Chad Dawson, he would get knocked the fuck out.

• 14:13Anthony Pompliano?

  You read the comments?

• 14:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, for sure. I read a lot of stuff. I think it's good to know the opinion of everything that's out there. And I think, I let it fuel me, and I think it's, I think it's funny because basically what my boxing career has come to is

• 14:33Speaker 02

  if you can't convince, confuse, right? So like, they, the people who watch me can't even fucking believe that I'm beating these people, so they say it's rigged, right? They say my fights are rigged. They can't believe it. So the fact, and I understand where they're coming from, because this shouldn't be possible. No boxer in the history has done this.

• 14:52Speaker 02

  No one's taken on this tough of opponents this early on in their career. They usually build up 25 fights, then fight someone tough for the first time. So I take it almost as a compliment where they seriously like can't believe.

• 15:06Speaker 02

  How good I am and so they make up lies and

• 15:10Anthony Pompliano?

  Are they rigged?

• 15:11Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no. I, I, I would go to jail and it, to me, it's, and they put like Showtime's reputation on the line too. And Anderson Silva, like, you really think the GOAT of MMA is gonna take a couple extra dollars to look like, get embarrassed in front of the world?

• 15:35Anthony Pompliano?

  Like, these are guys who have pride, who they're going in there because they want to win. And is there an element of like, some of the people you sit up in the ring with, they're like, alright, fine, I'll take, like, I'll shut the YouTuber up? Is that a little bit of what drives them to do it?

• 15:47Speaker 02

  For sure. 100%. And they all think, they all thought they were gonna be that person. You know, even Tyron Woodley really thought he was gonna beat the shit out of me. And then they just get matched, they get hit with this, this kid who is fucking relentless and doesn't back down and can handle the moment. And I hit, I hit fucking hard. You know, since my first sparring session,

• 16:15Speaker 02

  the coaches were like, what the fuck? You've never boxed before? Like, how are you punching like this? And so you get in there without the headgear and the 10 ounce gloves and I'm, I'm a real problem to, like, for people. And I think every single person I get in there with is shocked. I, I seen it with Anderson Silva too. I really think he was like, alright, like, gig's up, I'm gonna be the guy to take this guy out.

• 16:38Anthony Pompliano?

  Because he would have been legend status then, right? Like, there's some of these guys who, if they're the one to stop you, there is almost like, okay, I catapult to the next level and like, I did it for the sport to some degree.

• 16:48Speaker 02

  100%. Like, I, I, you know, the MMA community definitely doesn't want me to keep on winning.

• 16:54Speaker 02

  And I don't, I don't think most, I, I think the boxing community is changing. Like, I think they're starting to understand that I'm good for the sport, great for the sport. And, you know, bringing new eyeballs and really respecting the sport. So I think the boxing community is like, starting to change their tune, but the MMA community definitely doesn't want to see me continue to knock out their GOATs, right? Like, Tyron Woodley was one of the best welterweights ever. Anderson Silva was the greatest MMA fighter of all time, so.

• 17:26Anthony Pompliano?

  What's up with you and Dana White? You guys don't like each other?

• 17:29Speaker 02

  I, I mean. It's nothing like really personal, I guess. I just don't like how he treats his fighters and he's done vindictive things now to like, try to fuck up my fights and.

• 17:45Anthony Pompliano?

  Like what?

• 17:47Speaker 02

  He, he was basically sending cease and desist letters to my team about like content that I would had posted with him in it, trying to get like threatening to sue me unless I took the content down like promoting the fight basically. And then we think that he was the one to send that video to the commission of Anderson saying he got knocked out in sparring. So that like really like fucked up the pay-per-view and, and the ticket sales. Like you, we saw all the pre-buy numbers like tank the week of the fight because everyone thought the fight was off because Anderson put out or had an interview like months ago,

• 18:31Speaker 02

  months before saying he got knocked out in sparring.

• 18:36Speaker 02

  And that's a, that's a risk. So the commission basically freaked out and every, there was rumors that got out and everyone thought the fight was basically going to be canceled.

• 18:46Anthony Pompliano?

  Would you fight Dana White? Like if it came down to it and whether it was pay-per-view or it was for like charity or something and it was going to be the, one of the biggest fights of all time from our audience standpoint, would you get in the ring with him?

• 18:57Speaker 02

  For sure.

• 18:58Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah.

• 18:58Speaker 02

  100%.

• 18:59Anthony Pompliano?

  Would you win?

• 19:00Speaker 02

  Easily, easily. He, he knows that like he, he wouldn't fight me like it would be, it would be a lose-lose situation for him.

• 19:09Anthony Pompliano?

  So you would knock Dana White out?

• 19:11Speaker 02

  Easily, easily. He, he was a cardio kickboxing instructor. That's, that's how he started. Like a dude with the microphone, like yelling at people in the classes at like a LA Fitness.

• 19:23Anthony Pompliano?

  Bro, how long did it take you to figure that out? I know you went deep in the internet for that.

• 19:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:30Anthony Pompliano?

  Come on, you're, you're a meme, you're a meme lord. I got it, but like, wait, talk to me, how did you figure that out?

• 19:35Speaker 02

  No, so someone told me that. They were like, yo, like when I started feuding with him, someone texted me, he's like, yo, this guy started. As a fucking cardio kickboxing instructor like he wasn't even the real person behind the UFC. It was all the Fatida brothers that did all the hard work and brought in the capital about this guy. Just got lucky at the right place, right time. And then I I found the picture though of him actually being the cardio kickboxing instructor. And it's it's hilarious, but that one took me a little bit to dig up.

• 20:04Anthony Pompliano?

  Do you agree that the UFC wouldn't be what it is today without Dana? Or do you think that he actually got lucky?

• 20:10Speaker 02

  No, I I don't. I don't think he got lucky. I think he's a really smart guy. I and I have respect for what he did for the sport of MMA. People think I don't like the UFC. I love the UFC. I grew up watching the UFC. I think it's a great organization. They put on awesome fights. I love half of the UFC fighters are my friends like. But they need to pay their fighters more, and that's really where the riff and the back and forth came from. Because they only pay their fighters 16% of the revenue. Whereas in the NFL and NBA, the fighters get 50, five zero percent.

• 20:44Anthony Pompliano?

  Could the math work? Could they make? Could they pay 50%?

• 20:47Speaker 02

  Yes, yes. Yeah, no, the UFC is the most profitable sports organization in the world.

• 20:52Anthony Pompliano?

  Got it.

• 20:53Speaker 02

  And it's because they pay their fighters like shit. And only the superstars get paid decently like the the superstar should be getting paid more. But the heavyweight champion Francis Nganu. Gets got paid like eight, I think 600,000 or 500,000 for his last fight, right? The heavyweight champion of the world in boxing. Tyson Fury got paid like $32 million for for his last fight. So the fact that they don't have a long term healthcare in the most dangerous sport in the world. And these fighters are risking their lives. And some of them could barely afford their gym bills like.

• 21:34Speaker 02

  To me, that's where I want to see the change and that's why we're working on the United Fighters Association with Anderson. Because I, I know how hard these fighters work and how much they're sacrificing and it just sucks to see them getting taken advantage of and, and like I said, they're the most profitable sports organization in the world because they don't have to pay their fighters and these fighters are basically in slave contracts. And the crazy part about it is like, the UFC fighters, they have to pay for all their own shit. You pay, as a fighter, you pay for your own meals, you pay for your own coaches, you pay for your own, uh, sometimes travel, depending. And so, they're getting paid like shit and, you know, the, they have to pay for all of those things.

• 22:19Speaker 02

  Um, whereas, you know, in the NFL, they're getting paid a fuck ton of money and all of their coaches are paid for, their gyms are paid for, their transportation is paid for, their meals are paid for. Um, so it's just this, it's just this really backwards thing and-

• 22:33Anthony Pompliano?

  Would you fight in the UFC? Like if they gave you a contract, would you fight?

• 22:36Speaker 02

  I would, I would, if, if it meant they raised their fighter minimum pay, uh, to fifty thousand dollars per fight, um, and increased the, the revenue that they paid their fighters from sixteen percent to at least like thirty or forty, like, it doesn't have to be fifty, but they could literally double fighters' pay and still be the most profitable, profitable sports organization in the world. Um, so i- if it meant, yeah, changing, uh, and, and helping the fighters, I would, I would fight in the UFC for sure.

• 23:09Anthony Pompliano?

  Could you win?

• 23:10Speaker 02

  For sure, for sure. I mean, obviously if I went up against like a champion, but, um, but if I had someone, you know, who was evenly matched and, and, and experienced, um, I, I know I would win. I just have, I just have a winner's, winner's mindset and I, I would take the training very seriously. I have a wrestling background, um, I know a lot of jujitsu just from wrestling and- Rolling around on the mats, so I would really just have to learn the kicks because I have the boxing. So I could definitely get really good at it.

• 23:45Anthony Pompliano?

  I've seen you post a couple of times, Joe Rogan being like basically Jake can fight, right?

• 23:50Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 23:50Anthony Pompliano?

  Uh, how important has his endorsement or his kind of positive comments about your actual abilities? Forget all like the bullshit and the marketing and all that, but like your actual boxing abilities? How important is it to win over people like a Joe Rogan or others with big audiences that understand the game of fighting? To help change the way that people look at you in the sport?

• 24:10Speaker 02

  No, it's, it's, uh, it means a lot and, and it's needed for sure. And he has so much credibility, I think probably more credibility than anyone, you know? If there's a top three credibility in fighting list, Joe Rogan's damn at the top of it, if not number two or three. And he has that, that big audience, but he gets it, you know? He's seen more fights than anyone. He knows how hard it is to knock someone down like Anderson Silva, how hard it is to knock out Tyrone Woodley. So he sees what I'm doing and, and he's right. Like he's basically said, if I wasn't a YouTube kid and I was just a young boxing prospect beating all of these people. Everyone would be like, what the fuck?

• 24:55Speaker 02

  This kid can punch, like he can knock people out. This is going to be a world champion. But for some reason they just say, oh, it's fake. Fights are rigged. This is bullshit. And I even see people say, oh, Jake is paying Joe Rogan to say this. And like to me, like it's, it's just gone. There was a slippery slope of like disbelief and people just discrediting everything that I have worked for in this sport. Um, and, and the slope is, is so much more slippery now. And there's really no coming back from it. I think people will just always, some of the people that I, I call them the sheep.

• 25:36Speaker 02

  Like the people who just believe whatever they're, they're told or just get swayed by other people's opinion. The sheep will, I think, always be like, oh no, it's fake. Oh, like I don't know when they're gonna. Credit me.

• 25:52Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. Well, I guess that's a good question.

• 25:54Speaker 02

  Won't ever.

• 25:55Anthony Pompliano?

  Is there something that you think that you could do where they'd be like, all right, fine, fuck it. I was wrong. Like, he is good. Is it literally you have to become the world champion? And anything short of that is like, oh, we told you he sucked and it was a fad and it was all rigged?

• 26:07Speaker 02

  I mean, I think I'm fighting a professional boxer, you know, and I've tried multiple times and they all backed out. So people just still say like, oh, fight someone your age, fight a professional boxer. And it's like, what they don't realize is Tommy Fury is a 10 times easier fight than Anderson Silva.

• 26:25Anthony Pompliano?

  Why?

• 26:26Speaker 02

  He doesn't have the experience. He's never been in a tough fight. He's only fought people who are taxi cab drivers.

• 26:35Speaker 02

  The dude like isn't tough. He's not, he's not good. He's never been hit. He's never been tested. Not only that, he's only fought in one six round fight. All of his fights before that were four rounds. So like, he's never even gone in an eight round fight. So it's like, fight a real boxer. Like this guy is, Anderson Silva is a 10 times more real boxer with, who's been in there with the best strikers in the world.

• 27:00Speaker 02

  But for some reason, again, the sheep look at the title professional boxer and they think that that person will be better than Anderson Silva. So.

• 27:12Anthony Pompliano?

  Is there somebody in the boxing world that you're scared of or that you don't want to fight?

• 27:16Speaker 02

  I mean, any one of my weight class, I don't give a fuck.

• 27:19Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah.

• 27:19Speaker 02

  Like, I will go in there and give everyone a run for their money and that's, that's right now. You know, you, you give me two more years, I'm getting exponentially better. Each year I have the best coaches. I have the best trainer as I mean, uh, regime. I have the, the best everything around me. So I'm exponentially getting better and I'm, I want it more than, than all of these fighters because.

• 27:46Speaker 02

  They have been doing this their whole life. And they're, they're, I guess, going through the motions and just doing what they've always done, but I'm new. I'm the new kid on the block. I have a lot to prove. I have, people say, oh, you have a chip on your shoulder? Like, I have two chips on my shoulder, one on each side. I'm hungry, I'm relentless, and I will show the world that I'm a world champion.

• 28:12Anthony Pompliano?

  How much of this are you interested in making money versus boxing? And I'll give you a perfect example. You could go in your next fight, you could fight somebody who's a professional boxer, who like, the boxing world would respect, but maybe it doesn't draw as much money as, say, you go and you fight Andrew Tate.

• 28:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:27Anthony Pompliano?

  Who, people are like, look, he's four-time kickboxing champion, like, he's no slouch either, right? But there's way more money probably in fighting an Andrew Tate because of pay-per-view, ticket sales, like, the hype that can be around it, almost more of like a marketing event. And that's not to say that the fight itself wouldn't be real, but it would be viewed very differently, like, he's fighting Andrew Tate versus he's fighting a professional boxer.

• 28:47Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 28:48Anthony Pompliano?

  How do you make those decisions? Like, how do you decide? Should I do something for the sport of boxing, or should I do something that's gonna make me money?

• 28:55Speaker 02

  I've always leaned on doing something for the sport of boxing and, and earning people's respect and going with a tougher opponent, always. They just haven't gotten in the ring with me. They've pulled out twice.

• 29:09Anthony Pompliano?

  Are they scared? Why are they not getting?

• 29:11Speaker 02

  Yes, I believe so. And even now, Tommy Fury is creating all these smoke and mirrors, and he's ducking, he wouldn't respond to my DM. I sent him a DM like, yo, you have the offer in your inbox. Like, let's make this fight happen for the fans.

• 29:27Anthony Pompliano?

  And he ghosted you?

• 29:28Speaker 02

  And he, he just hasn't even opened it. And it's like...

• 29:31Anthony Pompliano?

  Are you DMing him right now?

• 29:32Speaker 02

  No, yeah, like, I'm sending you the offer tomorrow, we either need to do this or move on for good, as the fans are fat, are fed up. Look at the comments in your tweets, this was a big fight, and now it's on the edge of being irrelevant. Your dad claims you want this, you say you want this, and I want this, so sign up.

• 29:48Anthony Pompliano?

  And he didn't respond.

• 29:51Speaker 02

  And it's like all these smoke and mirrors. I, I, I don't, at this point, I think he's just playing us to just get the brand recognition.

• 30:01Anthony Pompliano?

  Who's the, who's the person that's on like, I, I call it like goat mountain for you, right? Who's the person that if you fight, you're like, I will not, I, I can't believe I'm in the ring with this person. And like, let's fucking go.

• 30:13Speaker 02

  I think, um, Canelo and people, like, we're the two biggest names in the sport and two biggest pay-per-view draws in the sport. So not only is it a massive fight, uh, but because of our styles and how we match up. Styles make fights, right? So because of how we match up, people going into it will be like, oh, Canelo is gonna kill Jake. Canelo is gonna kill Jake. Um, but I know I can win and I'm gonna give him a hell of a run for his money.

• 30:48Speaker 02

  And

• 30:51Speaker 02

  that would be just like an iconic, iconic fight to make and, and just for the generations. And I don't know, I think it would just shut the internet down. Um, and, and I know I can win, so.

• 31:04Anthony Pompliano?

  You could beat Canelo?

• 31:05Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 31:06Anthony Pompliano?

  Does he know that? Or you think he thinks he could whoop your ass?

• 31:09Speaker 02

  I think he thinks he could whoop my ass and that I'm just a YouTuber kid.

• 31:14Anthony Pompliano?

  Have you tried to fight him yet? Like, have you guys tried to put a contract in front of him?

• 31:18Speaker 02

  We've talked to his lawyer and I think he's getting to a place where he sees like how serious I am. Like, I think at first everyone thought this was a joke and that I was just, my mouth was bigger than my actions at first. And now my actions are matching up to what my words are. Um, and so I think now people really have to take that seriously. And especially if it's a year from now, especially if it's two years from now.

• 31:45Speaker 02

  I'm sparring people that were in both of their training camps for when they for this last fight, Triple G. I'm sparring Triple G's sparring partners. I'm sparring Canelo's sparring partners, Ellis, like all of these guys. I forget the other dude's name, Sergey. But I'm we're sparring people from both of their camps and they came up to my camps.

• 32:12Anthony Pompliano?

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• 34:19Anthony Pompliano?

  Canelo is this massive name, got immense respect within the boxing world. We've seen these like, I'll call them crossover events. So obviously McGregor and Mayweather are probably the biggest one where I remember watching them promote the fight and they're like laughing at each other, throwing the money. They're like playing this game, which on one hand, you're like, got it. That's part of what they're doing and they're promoting it well. And people are going to buy this pay per view. On the other hand, like that didn't look like a fucking joke when they were in the ring with each other and they were really punching each other.

• 34:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:47Anthony Pompliano?

  And so is it a similar type of draw here where you're very good at marketing? You're very good at using the internet and doing a lot of this stuff. Canelo has the respect of the boxing world. And so like you kind of clash the stories together, but there actually would also be a really good fight in the ring because of the styles and kind of where you guys are both coming from.

• 35:05Speaker 02

  Exactly. No, for sure. And I think all of it would just be an entertainment spectacle. And I don't think anyone's gotten into Canelo's head. And I think that would be like part of it for me is I think I could get into his head. I think I would win the mental battle.

• 35:23Speaker 02

  So.

• 35:24Anthony Pompliano?

  You were the robot.

• 35:25Speaker 02

  What? Say it again.

• 35:26Anthony Pompliano?

  You were the robot would get in his head.

• 35:28Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, yes. The problem bot, the big one that follows. Yes, yes, yes.

• 35:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, the giant robot that you have follow you, Jake.

• 35:40Anthony Pompliano?

  Do you have other robots?

• 35:41Speaker 02

  I have two robots.

• 35:43Anthony Pompliano?

  Both of them are giant ones?

• 35:44Speaker 02

  Yes. One's a better bot. It's the better, I guess mascot. And then one's my mascot.

• 35:53Anthony Pompliano?

  What about your brother? So your brother fought Mayweather. And I think a lot of people, when I saw the videos, I'm like most people, I'm like, there's no way these guys are going to fucking fight, right? But like great marketing, awesome, grabbing the attention of the internet. And they got in the ring. I was at the fight and I was like, damn, it's the fourth round. It's the fifth round, sixth round, like. Logan's still coming out of the corner. He's still fighting and I think it kind of surprised people a little bit and there was questions, right? People were like, oh, is it real? Is it not? Whatever. But then to see your brother do that, now he's gone on to the WWE and he's doing things where if you look at like a highlight reel, people are just like, how the fuck is this guy able to do such athletic moves and so early in his wrestling career? You both seem to be kind of attacking related but different industries in this like fight related game. Is that just

• 36:38Anthony Pompliano?

  because you guys were athletic? Or like, what is it that has allowed both of you to be so successful?

• 36:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think it goes back to we've always loved combat sports and we were both wrestlers, but also were entertainers. And that's why I think like boxing, you know, fits me perfectly. Every, everything about it, not just the fight, but I'm an athlete at heart. That's what I started out doing. And people tend to forget that I was jogging before school, you know, at five in the morning, staying after wrestling practice to lift weights. I won the hardest worker on my wrestling team award. My brother was a state, state third place at state as a wrestler his

• 37:21Speaker 02

  senior year. All state football. So boxing fits me perfectly and the WWE fits Logan perfectly. He can backflip, he could do the splits. He picked, he's a quick learner. He's acrobatic. Even when we were kids, he was really good on the trampoline, like he could do all the tricks. And so that's why he feels comfortable flying in the air. We literally had like a treehouse as a kid that we would jump off of onto the trampoline. And so naturally, the kid was practicing for this his whole damn life. And for me, I love the, you know, the outfits, the dressing,

• 38:02Speaker 02

  the fight night, the walkout. So I think we both finally just found our passions and Logan fits perfectly within the WWE and I fit perfectly within the sport of boxing.

• 38:15Anthony Pompliano?

  Let's talk money. How much money do you expect to make on a yearly basis? I think the public number is 50 million. I think it's pretty accurate of what you made last year.

• 38:25Anthony Pompliano?

  Is that something where if you keep going and doing what you're doing, you think that you'll be making 50 million bucks every year, just fighting? Or like, how do you think about that?

• 38:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, that's it. If I fight like three times a year, which is like a really busy, busy schedule and

• 38:40Speaker 02

  It's proven to be harder now to get people into the ring to sign up to fight me. But yeah, if I if I can keep that pace of fighting three times a year, then that that should be the number. And that's with like big fights. That's if there's no like mega fight.

• 39:01Anthony Pompliano?

  Where you could earn 50 million for a single mega fight.

• 39:03Speaker 02

  Exactly, exactly. But the number seems to be like 10 to 20 million dollars per fight, depending on how it performs.

• 39:10Anthony Pompliano?

  Okay, what do you do with the money? Like you and I have talked in private, you're not an idiot. It's not like you're taking the money and going to the club and just throwing it out, you know, and letting anyone grab it. What are you actually doing from an investment standpoint? Are you making those decisions? Do you have a team that's doing that? How do you like operate with money once you've made it?

• 39:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a good question. Definitely doing a lot of investments through my fund. I'm the biggest LP within my own fund and we do. We invest into so many different types of companies, a lot of stuff around crypto, but also just consumer in general, consumer products.

• 39:48Speaker 02

  So put a lot of money there, put a lot of money into things like ETH, Bitcoin, B and B. And yeah, just have always done that for for years now. Was very early on. I bought Bitcoin when I was like 16 years old.

• 40:08Anthony Pompliano?

  Why'd you buy it?

• 40:09Speaker 02

  My friend told me to buy it and I had like he's my he's my genius friend, like who's older millionaire. And he's like, this is gonna be the future. And I was like, alright, sure.

• 40:19Anthony Pompliano?

  How do I buy some?

• 40:20Speaker 02

  Coinbase, like.

• 40:24Speaker 02

  So just have always like followed that and then recently been just putting a lot more money into into Morgan Stanley. Like so more long term, you know, not as big of yields and you know, just like a slower growth profile.

• 40:45Anthony Pompliano?

  With like what, like a private bank team or something like like wealth managers?

• 40:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, wealth managers.

• 40:49Anthony Pompliano?

  What is that conversation like? Like I would love to hear you talking to them about investing. Are they telling you what to do? Are you telling them, no, that's a cool plan, but I want to do this other thing? Like, how does that work?

• 40:59Speaker 02

  No, they're mostly telling me what to do for like non risky.

• 41:04Anthony Pompliano?

  Okay.

• 41:04Speaker 02

  Investments, so.

• 41:06Anthony Pompliano?

  So kind of you take the risk yourself. You go take the risk and then they'll take care of the safe stuff.

• 41:11Speaker 02

  Exactly. And they, and they tell me what their game plan is. And I'm like, well, maybe we should tweak it a little bit. But like, on that side of things, I'm, I'm good at venture capital. I don't really know about the stock market and all that stuff. So that's why I went to them to handle that. And they came like highly recommended. There's like a team of five of them. And we just do calls like every quarter or so. And they're like, all right, we'll put in more money here. We'll put it in there. Da, da, da. This is when the market's gonna, we, we think is gonna go like this. And then boom, like.

• 41:41Anthony Pompliano?

  Did you interview that? Like you were like, hey, I might go with this team or I might go with this team? Or did you just take the first one that somebody had recommended?

• 41:46Speaker 02

  No, I, I got like three people, three different teams that were like highly recommended. And I talked to all of them and they just like fit the best.

• 41:58Anthony Pompliano?

  Like personality wise?

• 42:00Speaker 02

  Yeah. And just like their capabilities. And I think like trustworthiness, when you're giving someone that much money.

• 42:08Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 42:09Speaker 02

  You want to feel good about it.

• 42:10Anthony Pompliano?

  You do a lot of venture investing and one of the things that founders specifically, they like the idea of, one, if they have investors that they can reach out to and get help for and things like that. Two also is if you've got a big audience like you do, there's advantages, right? When they make the announcement of the fundraise, you've got a, a name that people recognize. You've got a platform that you can promote them if it's that type of business or whatever. What's your relationship like with the founders? Cause you've got a lot of shit going on, right? You've got a whole team. What is that like when you make investments in some of these companies?

• 42:39Speaker 02

  Yeah. So my, my partner Jeff and I, we, each, each company is different. But it, it just really depends what they need. And sometimes we take a passive role and some, and most of the time we know whether or not we want to be passive or not. So sometimes we're just money and, you know, maybe they call and like need a connection or an intro. Like sure, no problem. But then some companies we could like actively really help.

• 43:10Speaker 02

  And so. Those ones, it could be, you know, we get advisory. A lot of times we get advisory on top of our investment and we could help them with their marketing or

• 43:23Speaker 02

  just advice or taking like a consultancy position, helping them with their branding. A lot of times I get on and like tell these people like, all right, you could be doing this better on social media. You could be, you know, this TikTok needs to be changed. You need a different editor. You need a better logo. You know, your slogan sucks, like whatever it might be.

• 43:45Speaker 02

  But we, we do get active in, in certain companies where we know we could provide a lot of value. And sometimes I do commercials for them. Sometimes I'll post on my, my Twitter or my Instagram.

• 43:59Speaker 02

  You know, backing them. So it really just depends.

• 44:03Anthony Pompliano?

  I want to ask about three companies specifically. One, you guys bought shares in Endeavor. I think right there was the UFC.

• 44:12Anthony Pompliano?

  Whose idea? Why'd you do it? And did anything actually come out of you guys advocating for them changing stuff?

• 44:19Speaker 02

  We did it to

• 44:22Speaker 02

  be able to be a part of their monthly, or I guess it's quarterly update calls, just to like know what's going on with, with their shareholders and like how much they're paying UFC fighters. We were on a call and like someone did bring up, they didn't let us talk, but that someone did.

• 44:41Anthony Pompliano?

  Shocking.

• 44:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, crazy. Someone did bring up to them like, what about like Jake Paul and pain fighters more? You need to be pain fighters more. And so there is an actual like.

• 44:55Anthony Pompliano?

  What was their response?

• 44:56Speaker 02

  Uh, he, he just like brushed the question off and was like, we're not doing that right now. Like just brushed it off like a professional.

• 45:06Speaker 02

  Duck, duck to the question.

• 45:10Speaker 02

  But I think the idea is like, we're trying to find all of these ways to actually create change and attacking it from all angles. And that's, that's really where the idea stemmed from.

• 45:27Anthony Pompliano?

  Anduril is a company that is kind of very cutting edge innovative when it comes to defense technologies. I know that you all invested there. What was the thought process? Like, why are you excited about that space?

• 45:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, I just thought it's super cool, super futuristic. The founder Lucky Palmer like has a ton of track record, history of success. I met him at a party once. He was like a super cool guy. We shared interests and hobbies. And

• 45:57Anthony Pompliano?

  Do I want to ask what hobbies and interests?

• 45:59Speaker 02

  He collects cars. And so like, I'm, I don't have like a big enough garage space yet to collect cars, but like I'm slow. I have kind of a car collection. Like I like 10, 10 cars and, and slowly, slowly growing if I can make more space. But, but when I'm older, I'm going to have like 100 fucking cars.

• 46:20Anthony Pompliano?

  What's your favorite one?

• 46:22Speaker 02

  So that's, it's so tough to say.

• 46:25Anthony Pompliano?

  Are they like classic cars?

• 46:26Speaker 02

  I like all, yeah, classic cars. Like I love the Thunderbird. I want to get that one day. That it's my grandpa had it. And so I was just like, always loved it growing up. But also like supercars too. Like I want the Porsche, the Porsche 918 Spider. That's like my, my goal.

• 46:46Anthony Pompliano?

  What do you drive on a day to day basis?

• 46:49Speaker 02

  I mostly drive a Lincoln Navigator. Because it's like more low profile. A lot of times if you're like driving around like a fucking Lambo or some crazy shit, like you're just drawing unwanted attention to yourself. And at, at a certain point of fame, you You know, you just do the opposite of draw attention to yourself. You're like, fuck this. I don't want to be seen by anyone. I don't want a hundred people to ask me for pictures like tinted windows, car that blends in with everyone and I'm gonna go about my daily business and hopefully no one bothers me.

• 47:25Anthony Pompliano?

  What about the golf cart? Is it a stock golf cart?

• 47:28Speaker 02

  I had this ride. It's uh, it's technically not stock. I got aftermarket seats. I got a pin, a racing stripe down the side. And it's the fastest one, the fastest available one. It goes like thirty five. It's quick. It's quick, but it's a, it's a Polaris gem. Great, great vehicle.

• 47:45Anthony Pompliano?

  In Puerto Rico.

• 47:46Speaker 02

  Yes, I'm whipping that shit nonstop.

• 47:48Anthony Pompliano?

  Alright, uh, is it weird being famous? Like when people are coming up to you, do you enjoy it? Or are you now like, hey, that was cool when I was younger, but like it's getting old now. How do you think about the fame?

• 47:59Speaker 02

  It all depends. It's definitely weird. Like I forget sometimes when I'm in training camp for a while and I'm just like, I don't see a lot of people.

• 48:06Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah.

• 48:07Speaker 02

  And so like.

• 48:08Anthony Pompliano?

  You forget you're famous.

• 48:09Speaker 02

  I forget. I'll literally go out in public and be like, oh, fuck.

• 48:14Speaker 02

  Like, cause I'm, I'm so, you know, alone and by myself in training camp and then I, it just like, it's like a culture. I don't know. It's like a shock to the body, um, going out in public like that. And I, I, it depends, man. I really enjoy it when the kid, it's a kid, most of the time, like when the kids get excited and you could tell they're actually a fan and you know, that to me is super cool. It's, it's the people who are like disrespectful or like they're, they're not actually your fan. They just want to take a picture to be like, uh.

• 48:48Anthony Pompliano?

  I saw him.

• 48:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, I saw him or whatever. And they could be, they could be super rude, man. I have like probably one rude encounter with someone anytime I'm in public, like once a day, if I'm in a public area, like for, on a repeated basis.

• 49:05Speaker 02

  People just like, don't treat you. They, they think you're a zoo animal and they're like, come here, like, take a picture with me. And like, they don't even say, please, or just like demanding it. Some people, I've literally had dozens and dozens of people walk up, boom, take a picture without saying anything. I'm, I'm like just standing there and I'm like, and they just walk away looking at their phone like.

• 49:29Anthony Pompliano?

  Like a zombie.

• 49:30Speaker 02

  Fucking real, like, it's a fucking, I don't know, NPC or some shit.

• 49:38Speaker 02

  Don doesn't even look at you, just looks in the phone, takes the picture and then just walks away looking at it like, I don't know, but um, but man, I like it's, it's really awesome when I can make someone's day. Um, and.

• 49:53Anthony Pompliano?

  Do you get people who are like, I don't know if you go to bars or you're out at night or whatever, you go to a club, an event, whatever. And because they are like, oh, you think you're a boxer, like I'll fuck you up? And people start talking shit if they're drunk?

• 50:05Speaker 02

  Um, it doesn't happen as often as you think. The, the number one thing that happens is a dude walking, like if we're walking in a public place and it's like a crowded area, let's say like a mall. The number one thing that happens is there's always the dude who's clearly walking the opposite direction. That's like, you're a pussy.

• 50:29Anthony Pompliano?

  And keeps walking.

• 50:32Speaker 02

  And like there's, it's usually like in a group. So you can't, you don't really know like which one said it.

• 50:38Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. You should do what Nate Diaz does. He just like, you know, kind of like flexes at everyone.

• 50:43Speaker 02

  Yeah. And he's fucking like.

• 50:44Anthony Pompliano?

  You saw the one where the guy is like drinking up in the air and shit, right?

• 50:47Speaker 02

  Yeah. I just, I don't care. I think it's funny. Like when they're like, you're a pussy. Like I think most guys like, I don't need to prove myself. Like I'm like, all right, bro. Like that, that moment for him in front of his friends, like made his day. Him cooler to his friends. Cause he said, you're a pussy to Jake Paul and me. Like I just, I don't, I don't care. Uh, and I'm not like a hostile person. Like I, I leave it all in the ring. So.

• 51:15Anthony Pompliano?

  What's the craziest situation you found yourself in from a fame perspective? Whether it's you met somebody, I can't believe I'm meeting you, whether it was like, oh shit, let's get the hell out of here. Like I'm in danger. Like what, what's the craziest thing?

• 51:27Speaker 02

  I think a moment that stands out was, uh, this past New Year's. We were on this boat in St. Bart's and like, there was just an absurd amount of celebrities on it. Like Leonardo DiCaprio, Mike Tyson, Drake, Meek Mill, Little Baby.

• 51:48Speaker 02

  The, the list goes on. I can't, I, I forgot. I don't know. There, there was.

• 51:52Anthony Pompliano?

  It's just a who's who of the world.

• 51:53Speaker 02

  Yeah. And it, it was like this, like casual sort of party. It wasn't like a rager. And so everyone was kind of just talking. And like, there was no ego and we're on this probably. One, probably one billion dollar yacht and it was just kinda surreal. I was like, why the fuck am I here?

• 52:14Anthony Pompliano?

  And people knew who you were?

• 52:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, I was, yeah, and I was chatting with all of them, had like a really good convo with Drake and then talked to Mike Tyson for a little bit.

• 52:25Anthony Pompliano?

  What's he think about you fighting?

• 52:26Speaker 02

  He loves it. He loves, he loves me and I love him. He's such an awesome guy, so much wisdom. And he just gives me tons of advice and just support always and publicly too. He's backed me and talked about my skill and, you know, to me that that means the most is like when the legends of the sport are like, this kid's legit. What he's doing for the sport is great. It's easy to like get lost in the, in the comments and in the sheep hating on you. But the guys like Roy Jones Jr., Holyfield, Tyson, all of the legends have showed love, even Tyson Fury.

• 53:09Speaker 02

  And current active champions and Anthony Joshua, I was just with him and he was, you know, singing, singing praises and that to me means more and.

• 53:19Anthony Pompliano?

  Is there anybody who's a legend in boxing who is like, this is horrible for the sport, like fuck this guy? That you're aware of at least?

• 53:28Speaker 02

  I don't think so. I don't think so.

• 53:30Anthony Pompliano?

  I haven't seen it and I don't pay super, super close attention, but like, I don't think there's someone who like you hang your hat on, you're like, that person hates the fact that Jake Paul is bringing attention to boxing.

• 53:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, I don't, I haven't really seen that.

• 53:43Speaker 02

  Which, which I guess is like kinda the, the telltale sign, you know? If, if your peers respect you, then that's the most important.

• 53:55Anthony Pompliano?

  As part of fame, you're still like a relatively young guy, you're married. What's going on? Are girls like hitting you up and like DMing you and shit?

• 54:02Speaker 02

  Well, Julie and I aren't, aren't married, but we look like, we look like we're married though, damn near.

• 54:09Anthony Pompliano?

  You should just say you're married.

• 54:13Speaker 02

  Julia, if you're watching this.

• 54:16Anthony Pompliano?

  Are you gonna get married?

• 54:16Speaker 02

  Gonna get married, yeah, yeah, probably.

• 54:18Anthony Pompliano?

  Does she know that, or did she just find that out, listening to this?

• 54:20Speaker 02

  No, no, no, she, she knows that.

• 54:22Anthony Pompliano?

  Okay.

• 54:22Speaker 02

  She, she like, has been telling me, uh, for the past three years.

• 54:31Anthony Pompliano?

  Is she gonna propose to you?

• 54:32Speaker 02

  I, that's what I told her. I was like, if you want, if you wanna get this done,

• 54:39Speaker 02

  just get it done.

• 54:40Anthony Pompliano?

  You better be careful, you're gonna, like, your next fight, you're gonna be done with the fight, knock some dude out, you're gonna turn around, she's gonna be proposing to you.

• 54:45Speaker 02

  On a knee, that's hilarious, that's hilarious.

• 54:49Anthony Pompliano?

  But are girls, like, hitting you up and stuff, and, and, uh, like, just doing all the shit that people would expect if you're famous and you're on the internet, or what's going on?

• 54:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, for sure. I mean, I, I don't, I don't look at it, though.

• 54:59Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah.

• 55:00Speaker 02

  Like, I, I think it's more, like, in public, they, like, try to come up and talk to me, but then Julia just, like, looks them in the fucking eyes and they, they go away.

• 55:10Anthony Pompliano?

  I've met her and it strikes me that she's not playing around.

• 55:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, she doesn't play around at all. She, she, she's almost fought, like, three girls before.

• 55:18Anthony Pompliano?

  Really?

• 55:18Speaker 02

  She, she, yeah, she definitely hit one girl before.

• 55:21Anthony Pompliano?

  Could she win in a match?

• 55:23Speaker 02

  She's strong as fuck.

• 55:24Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah?

• 55:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, she's really strong.

• 55:26Anthony Pompliano?

  She's gonna be the next?

• 55:27Speaker 02

  She's Filipino, and so I always joke that, like, our kid is gonna be the next Manny Pacquiao.

• 55:35Speaker 02

  So, and she's strong, like, and has long arms, so it's, it's really, it's looking good for, for my kid and his boxing career.

• 55:44Anthony Pompliano?

  I, I'm just wondering if we're gonna see, like, a card where it's Logan versus someone, you versus someone, and then Julia steps in the ring?

• 55:50Speaker 02

  She, they've, like, offered her to step in. I don't think she wants to actually box.

• 55:54Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah.

• 55:54Speaker 02

  But...

• 55:55Anthony Pompliano?

  But they've offered her money?

• 55:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 55:57Anthony Pompliano?

  She said no?

• 55:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:58Anthony Pompliano?

  Alright. Um, when we think about, kinda, moving forward, uh, Better, you've spent a lot of time on, is a, a business, I think you invested in, uh, the initial business, uh, Simple Bet, right? And then you guys also launched Better, which is like a consumer betting app. Why are you spending so much time, money, energy, and, uh, frankly, just, like, attention on something in the betting space?

• 56:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, so, um, basically, I wanna change sports, and not just boxing, but just sports in general, and...

• 56:30Speaker 02

  There's so many, that's such a big task, right? But I think, and I love, I've always loved sports. I've always loved watching sports, talking about sports with my friends. And I think there's a, there's a gap in the market where there's so much room to innovate on like, what would ESPN look like if it was launched today? And that's, that in and of itself is like a super intricate conversation. But I think that sports betting and the sports media company that we're creating together can just make sports more fun and make sports better.

• 57:12Speaker 02

  But also, I've always wanted to like, put all my eggs and steam behind a company since I was 18 years old. I was like, what is my, you know, proper 12? What is my Terra Mana Tequila? You know, what is the 50 Cent's Vitamin Water? Prime? Yeah, Ciroc Prime, Happy Dad for the Nelk Boys. Mr. Beast is doing the food. What is mine? And the stars just aligned in so many perfect ways. And I, I'm a huge believer that like the sports betting industry is like just at its start.

• 57:56Speaker 02

  It hasn't really been made fun for kids my age, like 21 to 30 year olds. And that's the audience we're trying to make sports betting like a social thing. Because me and my friends, we never really talked about sports betting. And it's for a multitude of reasons. In some states that you're in, it's not legal, right? But that's being ahead of the market, right? So that's also a good thing is, is getting in before 50 states have sports betting legal. And that opportunity growth is, is massive. And there's, you know, 10 or probably five multi-billion dollar companies who, in my opinion,

• 58:41Speaker 02

  Aren't doing that good of a job of getting users and um brand affinity. Uh the apps are clunky and hard to use. And when I first used the better demo and I met Joey, the CEO, I was jumping out of my chair, having fun sports betting for the first time. Um, and making it simple, like, no one knows about like the minus eight fifty plus three thousand money line this uh over on like, all of that stuff is just makes the barrier to entry like way too hard.

• 59:17Speaker 02

  Um, and I also just saw so much room to to to grow there because I saw these brands who weren't doing a good job. And they were also paying me millions of dollars, just like throwing millions of dollars at my face. For what I didn't think was like good promo, they didn't really know how to activate my audience. They didn't but listen to me and my creative input when they were throwing me all of this money. And so I just saw how they were misspending money um and saw the the opportunity um i- in the market

• 59:56Speaker 02

  to to enter in and just do everything completely different in a in a uh in a vertical that I love, which is sports. And I think that's where like the passion has to be there i- if you're really gonna like change the world um w- with a company. Um, and yeah, I guess that like in short is sort of why uh I'm I'm going all in on on better.

• 1:00:24Anthony Pompliano?

  You mentioned changing sports, uh, once you conquer boxing, would you go try to play in the NFL, NBA, golf? Like, go play some other sport or what's the plan?

• 1:00:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, I I think uh I I could see myself for sure in like three or four years. Um, going and trying to get on an NFL team.

• 1:00:45Anthony Pompliano?

  An NFL team.

• 1:00:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:47Anthony Pompliano?

  What position?

• 1:00:50Speaker 02

  Slot receiver, most likely, because I'm decently fast, fast enough to be a slot receiver. I can catch and my height and weight like fits that position the best.

• 1:01:05Speaker 02

  And I would want to score a touchdown. I wouldn't want to be on defense and just like not be able to get a touchdown, so.

• 1:01:12Anthony Pompliano?

  Would the haters be louder for boxing or are you on an NFL team?

• 1:01:18Speaker 02

  Probably me on an NFL team. I think, I think again, people would be like, oh, you can't play football. You're not, people don't think I'm an athlete, like genuinely.

• 1:01:31Speaker 02

  So they wouldn't believe or think that I was actually going to go and do that.

• 1:01:37Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. And then on the business side, like, what do you want your legacy to be? Do you want to be a billionaire? Do you want to build a billion dollar company? Like, what are like goals or the things that you wake up and you're like, maybe it'd be cool to accomplish this?

• 1:01:47Speaker 02

  I think, yeah, the, the challenge of creating a billion dollar company is like real life. The hardest actual game in the world, like, it's like real life monopoly. How do you? How do you play that game and, and be successful at it? And I've always just wanted to do it because I've always said, if that guy can do it, then why can't I? And I think it's fun to like, figure that out and it's the ultimate challenge, I believe. And that's what, that's what gets me excited every day is, is just having a challenge in front of me.

• 1:02:25Speaker 02

  To, to chip away at slowly.

• 1:02:29Speaker 02

  But yeah, I mean, I, I don't know. I think there's so much.

• 1:02:36Speaker 02

  There's so much that I want to do. I think where my legacy, when I think about my legacy, I think about changing the combat sports mostly. And leaving it in a 10 times better place than, than where it started. And helping fighters and getting fighters paid more, getting them long-term healthcare. Advancing sports science within the sport because of, of the dangers that surround it. And making sure fighters, you know, continue to. Continue to have proper health after they're done fighting. Cause right now that you're just on your own. It's like, oh, you're done fighting like you get kicked to the curb.

• 1:03:20Speaker 02

  And I want to open up more and more boxing gyms. We've opened up three already. And working on a couple more as we speak that are being built just for kids to be able to go to for free. And that's through my foundation, Boxing Bullies, and helping people get into the sport and fall in love with it because of how it changed my life. I believe it could change so many other people's lives. And then just helping people like Amanda Serrano, who, you know, she was underpaid. You know, is one of the best fighters of all time, but never really got the recognition.

• 1:04:02Speaker 02

  And just bringing a spotlight to fighters like her and making her dreams come true has been super fulfilling for me.

• 1:04:12Speaker 02

  But

• 1:04:15Speaker 02

  yeah, that that seems to be the legacy. And I think I would love to like have a family.

• 1:04:23Speaker 02

  That to me is really exciting.

• 1:04:27Anthony Pompliano?

  Have to be boxers, the kids?

• 1:04:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:32Anthony Pompliano?

  Youtubers then boxers or just get straight to the boxing?

• 1:04:34Speaker 02

  Just straight to boxing. I'll be their promoter. They'll sell hella pay-per-views just because of their name.

• 1:04:40Anthony Pompliano?

  So you'll be like a LeVar Ball?

• 1:04:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, literally. That's exactly who I'll be.

• 1:04:44Anthony Pompliano?

  You ever seen the clip where he walks onto the ESPN set and he's got a, I think it's LaMelo, maybe? And they're walking there just like, man, that's our dad, like.

• 1:04:54Speaker 02

  Can't do anything about it.

• 1:04:56Anthony Pompliano?

  And he's walking out there like he's the NBA player?

• 1:04:58Speaker 02

  Yes, yes. Main character energy. That that is a thing though, is I would let my kids play basketball.

• 1:05:07Anthony Pompliano?

  Basketball.

• 1:05:07Speaker 02

  Basketball or boxing?

• 1:05:10Speaker 02

  Football is just like so much injury.

• 1:05:12Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:13Speaker 02

  And you know, you don't even, you can't even see their face. So it's just not good for branding.

• 1:05:17Anthony Pompliano?

  Mm hmm. You and Logan fight, who wins?

• 1:05:20Speaker 02

  Me, me.

• 1:05:21Anthony Pompliano?

  He agrees?

• 1:05:23Speaker 02

  I think so. Yeah, I've seen him. I've seen him talk about it on podcasts. I think he, he always says like right now he would beat me. But I think if I, if we actually were to fight, then I would train and then I would come back and win.

• 1:05:36Anthony Pompliano?

  How many pay-per-views do you do if you two get in the ring together?

• 1:05:38Speaker 02

  Oh, man.

• 1:05:40Anthony Pompliano?

  Is that, is that the biggest fight?

• 1:05:42Speaker 02

  It, I think it is prob- probably.

• 1:05:43Anthony Pompliano?

  Bigger than you and Andrew Tate?

• 1:05:46Speaker 02

  I think it is.

• 1:05:48Anthony Pompliano?

  I mean.

• 1:05:48Speaker 02

  No one's ever done it before. No, no one's ever, like the brothers that both, both box have never fought each other.

• 1:05:55Anthony Pompliano?

  Uh huh.

• 1:05:55Speaker 02

  The Klitschko's never did it. Charlo Brothers haven't done it. And there's a bunch of others, but um.

• 1:06:03Anthony Pompliano?

  Is that what you two are fucking scheming up?

• 1:06:06Speaker 02

  Well, not really. We, we like talk about it.

• 1:06:08Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:09Speaker 02

  And our parents are like, absolutely not. Like they get pissed when we even talk about it. But also, like, I'm not, I'm not, yeah, we gotta get the fans what they want, but I'm also not the one who would lose. So if, he would be the one that would have to live with that result. So if he could do.

• 1:06:29Anthony Pompliano?

  Are you psychological warfare already?

• 1:06:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:34Speaker 02

  Yeah. It starts now. Sorry, Logan.

• 1:06:38Anthony Pompliano?

  You know Dana White's master plan is to get the Logan brothers, uh, or the Paul brothers together in the UFC?

• 1:06:45Speaker 02

  Who knows? That's crazy.

• 1:06:50Anthony Pompliano?

  I mean, it's the biggest, it's the biggest UFC pay-per-view they've ever had.

• 1:06:52Speaker 02

  Yeah. No doubt about that. Maybe, maybe that's Dana's plan. I don't know. Who knows what that, that guy's doing? I smell a retirement soon from him.

• 1:07:02Anthony Pompliano?

  You think he's gonna retire?

• 1:07:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:04Anthony Pompliano?

  Why?

• 1:07:06Speaker 02

  I think he's just like, kind of over it, like, I don't know. And the UFC is just not, it's not what it was.

• 1:07:13Anthony Pompliano?

  Why not?

• 1:07:14Speaker 02

  It's, I think it kind of already peaked.

• 1:07:16Anthony Pompliano?

  You think the UFC has peaked?

• 1:07:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:19Anthony Pompliano?

  Okay, why?

• 1:07:20Speaker 02

  They just don't have like, any, uh, they, they, no, they, they have some stars, like, two. Whereas before, in like, the heydays, there was like, fucking thirty stars, twenty stars, that could all sell pay-per-views. And now there's different organizations that are competing, that have a, a lot of, uh, hope and promise and funding and good fighters. Um, so it's not just like this one place anymore. Um, and there's just, also, boxing has made a major comeback. So for like, ten years, no one was really raving about boxing. Um, and now there's this new generation of talent, so there's other combat sports.

• 1:08:05Speaker 02

  So, no one's just sitting around watching the UFC anymore. There's tons of exciting boxing fights all the time, sometimes on the same night as UFC events.

• 1:08:19Speaker 02

  So yeah, I think they, they peaked with, with McGregor. Like, that was their, McGregor versus Khabib, like, that was the peak. They'll never, they'll never get anything like that again.

• 1:08:30Anthony Pompliano?

  You think McGregor's done?

• 1:08:33Speaker 02

  I don't fucking know. I, I think he has to come back and fight. But he needs to win, he needs to win.

• 1:08:39Anthony Pompliano?

  Will he fight you?

• 1:08:40Speaker 02

  I don't, I don't think he will, I don't think he will.

• 1:08:42Anthony Pompliano?

  Why?

• 1:08:44Speaker 02

  I think my skill level, like, is outgrowing his in boxing. And I have the, the height advantage. Um, we would weigh the same, but like, He can't beat me and I think he probably knows that and like time, he's only getting older and I'm only getting better. So who knows? And I don't think the risk for him is worth the reward.

• 1:09:11Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, even if he gets paid a hundred million dollars, it's just not worth it.

• 1:09:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think he's like, it's not about the money for him really, I don't think anymore.

• 1:09:18Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, yeah. Let's just leave it there. I appreciate you coming in.

• 1:09:22Speaker 02

  Hundred percent.

• 1:09:22Anthony Pompliano?

  I hope people realize that, uh, one, you're much better at boxing than most people realize, but also you're not a complete moron as probably many people think, oh, this is stupid YouTuber.

• 1:09:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:31Anthony Pompliano?

  So.

• 1:09:32Speaker 02

  They do.

• 1:09:33Anthony Pompliano?

  Keep it up.

• 1:09:36Anthony Pompliano?

  Fuck them.

• 1:09:37Speaker 02

  I'm laughing to the bank.

• 1:09:40Anthony Pompliano?

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