Til’ Death Do Us Part: Glacier National Park

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 1:01Cassandra Yahnian?

  If you're a romantic, you might say that the driving force behind every action, decision, and pursuit in life ultimately is because of love. Many of us dream of the day we will be surrounded by those we cherish, professing our undying love and committing to forever with our soulmate. We dream of the life we will live together, the adventures, growing a family, having a partner by your side in sickness and in health. Unfortunately, the reality is not every relationship has its happy ending. Some will discover only after marriage that maybe this isn't the person you want by your side until the end. While grappling with the situation, most will have to one day make the difficult decision

• 1:45Cassandra Yahnian?

  to end the relationship. But what happens when one partner sees, "Till death do us part" as the only way out of a marriage?

• 1:56Cassandra Yahnian?

  Welcome to National Park After Dark.

• 2:20Cassandra Yahnian?

  Okay.

• 2:21Danielle LaRock?

  We got a lover's quarrel, do we not?

• 2:24Cassandra Yahnian?

  We sure do. This is a, I don't know if we've ever covered a story of a woman murdering someone, have we?

• 2:32Danielle LaRock?

  Well, you just gave it away because I don't know.

• 2:34Cassandra Yahnian?

  Well, that's what we're talking about today. But have we on the podcast talked about a woman killer? Not a woman killer, a woman who kills someone.

• 2:42Danielle LaRock?

  You have in a bonus episode with the poisoners and such.

• 2:47Cassandra Yahnian?

  That's true. I did do that one.

• 2:48Danielle LaRock?

  I'm not sure. Our catalog is so long now.

• 2:51Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 2:52Danielle LaRock?

  I feel like my answer is no, but I could be wrong. And that's just because it's statistics.

• 2:59Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 3:00Danielle LaRock?

  It's, you know.

• 3:00Cassandra Yahnian?

  Well, that's part of what drew me to this case to want to research it and cover it because it is such a rare thing where women kill men and it's not unheard of, of course. There's lots of cases. I remember I used to binge watch that show Snapped where there was a lot of women who killed their husbands.

• 3:18Danielle LaRock?

  Weren't they all women?

• 3:20Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah, I believe so.

• 3:21Danielle LaRock?

  In that series?

• 3:21Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah. So, I mean, it definitely happens. It's just less heard of. And then when you narrow it down to the niche of national parks, it's even a smaller pool of cases. So this one, I was just like, I had heard of this case. I actually remember it. It's, it's 12 years ago now because it was in 2013, but I remember it on national news channels and I remember it, them going to the courthouse and following all of what was unfolding. And I remember seeing it on the news and it just kind of came back on my radar. And I thought, you know, I don't know the nitty gritties of this case and I want to figure it out. So I went through a lot of the court documents that are public and figured out exactly, well, allegedly what had happened and what is written down

• 4:04Cassandra Yahnian?

  in court documents and, and articles. And there's a lot of footage that you can find on YouTube and places like that of the couple themselves. So it was just a really interesting case and that's what I decided to cover today.

• 4:18Danielle LaRock?

  Cool. Well, before we get on with it, I guess, just kind of like talking in relation to your intro, would you consider yourself a romantic?

• 4:30Danielle LaRock?

  I think the answer is no, if you have something about it like

• 4:32Cassandra Yahnian?

  Well, it's hard because I don't think of myself as like

• 4:36Danielle LaRock?

  Mushy. You're not a mushy person.

• 4:38Cassandra Yahnian?

  I'm not mushy and I do like, I really value love and I think that it's really important. And I would say even when I was younger, you could call me a little boy crazy. But I think I really value my freedom and I value myself, I guess, more than anything. I think why I love Al so much is because he is someone who lets me do whatever I want. And there's no issues with it at all. But I think at the end of the day, I value

• 5:13Cassandra Yahnian?

  my own happiness beforehand. So I do love love and I love being in love and I, but I don't know if I would be like my end all be all is to be in a relation, like to have a love. I think that I would be like a person that would be okay without it if I didn't have it. But I'm really happy that I do, if that makes sense.

• 5:33Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah, totally.

• 5:34Cassandra Yahnian?

  And I know the answer to this question, but

• 5:37Danielle LaRock?

  You're getting married soon, so that was kind of put you on the hot seat. You're like, actually, no, I don't care about it at all.

• 5:45Cassandra Yahnian?

  No, I, I, I am very happy to get married. I'm very excited. I just, I wouldn't, outside of this relationship, I wouldn't have considered myself like a romantic, I guess.

• 5:56Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah.

• 5:57Cassandra Yahnian?

  And I know the answer to this question, but I'll ask you anyway. Do you consider yourself a romantic?

• 6:01Danielle LaRock?

  What is your answer?

• 6:02Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yes. I think that you are definitely a romantic.

• 6:05Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah. Yeah. Which is funny because like I think I flip flopped. Like earlier on in life, I could give a crap.

• 6:14Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 6:14Danielle LaRock?

  About, like I, I too, I too was boy crazy. But not in any sort of deep or meaningful way.

• 6:23Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yes.

• 6:24Danielle LaRock?

  And I don't know if you can be, I don't know how deep and meaningful you can be at like 18 or 19 years old. You know, like there's, you know, um, so I think we should cut ourselves some slack with that. But yeah, later on in life, I, it just definitely elevated its position. Like to me, everything is about love.

• 6:40Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 6:41Danielle LaRock?

  It, and not even romantic wise, just in general. And so, yeah, I prioritize romantic love a lot.

• 6:48Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah. I do think that that I do think that love in relationships is very important in friendships and surrounding yourself with the people that you love it with your family, your friends, and romantic relationships. I just, I wouldn't.

• 7:02Danielle LaRock?

  You could take them or leave them. It's a good thing you have Al.

• 7:05Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah, yeah, I love Al very much. I don't want to say that I don't, but um.

• 7:10Danielle LaRock?

  We all know you do. I don't. I'm not trying to like, yeah. Okay, anyway.

• 7:15Cassandra Yahnian?

  I'm just saying that I'm a strong independent woman and I could make my way through life.

• 7:21Danielle LaRock?

  We don't doubt you. We don't doubt you with that.

• 7:24Cassandra Yahnian?

  Thank you.

• 7:24Danielle LaRock?

  You can be both. You can be both.

• 7:28Cassandra Yahnian?

  Okay, well, on that note, we could go into the story.

• 7:32Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah, let's.

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• 8:08Cassandra Yahnian?

  Saturday, June 29, 2013, was the most perfect day for Cody Johnson and Jordan Graham. After getting engaged the December prior and spending the past six months carefully planning the intricate details of their wedding, they were finally tying the knot, surrounded by their friends and their family. If Cody had been told when he first met Jordan at a Halloween party that he would one day marry this woman, he would have been thrilled. Almost immediately after they were introduced, sparks flew between the couple, and Cody fell madly in love with her, telling his friends that if he got to wake up every day under the same roof as the woman he loved, that he would be a happy man. Jordan was equally as excited, and when they were engaged, she told her loved ones

• 8:52Cassandra Yahnian?

  that it was the happiest she had been in a very long time. They chose Woodland Park in Kalispell, Montana as their wedding venue. As it was in the town that they lived in together. Surrounded by carefully maintained gardens, they had a small intimate ceremony that offered a backdrop of the Mission and Salish mountain ranges. As Jordan walked down the aisle to her husband-to-be, she looked over to her grandmother to see her with tears full of joy, and her eyes welled up with her. The couple exchanged their vows, interlaced with their love of God and the exciting life that they planned to build together, before they kissed, solidifying and promising, "Till death do they part." Their loved ones cheered, and later at the reception, Jordan's maid of honor, Kimberly

• 9:35Cassandra Yahnian?

  Martinez, toasted their union, saying, "The best thing possible happened, and I'm so happy for the two of you." Cody later told his mom that this was the best day of his life, and he couldn't wait to start a family and to make her a grandmother. That night, the newlyweds stayed in a beautiful lakefront hotel in Big Fork, Montana, about 30 minutes away, where Cody had one of Jordan's bridesmaids cover their room in flowers prior to their arrival, and all in all, it was a perfect day for the couple. Now, that's a romantic gesture, I feel like. That's a, that's a sign of a romantic to me, to have your room preset with just flower petals everywhere. I think that that's, I like romantic gestures.

• 10:20Danielle LaRock?

  Well, it's not, I feel like not even just that gesture, which is nice, but all of the things that he was saying, like, that is a true romantic of like, this is the, you know, a highlight of his life, and this is just like what he envisioned for his life. And just telling people how much he loved, I don't know, I just feel like nowadays it's more rare to get that from, from a guy.

• 10:50Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 10:51Danielle LaRock?

  Being so open about sharing his feelings. So I feel like a lot, I feel like a lot of men do feel this way and want this for themselves, but for one reason or another, aren't very vocal about sharing that with others. And so I think it's the romantic. Gesture for me in this is being so transparent about that.

• 11:14Cassandra Yahnian?

  So excited about his marriage and his wedding and and really it sounds like he when I was reading the details, it sounds like he had a lot in planning the wedding. And it seems like he was very much involved in this and excited about it.

• 11:28Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah, cuz I'm not trying to make little of that gesture, but like anyone can throw rose petals somewhere.

• 11:34Cassandra Yahnian?

  Sure, but it's the thought that counts, you know?

• 11:36Danielle LaRock?

  It is.

• 11:37Cassandra Yahnian?

  And to have like and to think to talk to one of the bridesmaids and be like, can you please go do this like while we're out here? That would be great. And it just seems like.

• 11:46Danielle LaRock?

  I take it back.

• 11:47Cassandra Yahnian?

  He's involving her friends in the planning, you know, it's just like, it's a nice gesture. It's thoughtful. It's not like a huge thing, but I just think it's thoughtful. The Monday following their wedding, they went back to their normal lives. Cody returned to work at Nomad Global Communication Services, a company that builds connected mobile operation centers. Which I didn't really know what that was, so I Googled it. And it's for things like military, it's like trailers for military deployments. Public safety vehicles and defense emergency operation vehicles. So like when you get pulled over by the police officer and they can pull up all of your information. He, it sounds like he worked at a company that created vehicles and transportation that had the capabilities to process data.

• 12:33Danielle LaRock?

  Okay.

• 12:33Cassandra Yahnian?

  That's what it was. And Jordan returned to her job that she had as a babysitter, which from all accounts was something that she deeply enjoyed. And that she really just had a way with children and children really loved her and she really loved them. But what seemed like the beginning of a loving marriage soon changed as Jordan began having second thoughts. A little over 24 hours after Jordan said, I do, she texted her best friend and maid of honor Kimberly with her doubts.

• 13:00Danielle LaRock?

  24 hours?

• 13:02Cassandra Yahnian?

  24 hours is the following night. She started sending these text messages.

• 13:06Danielle LaRock?

  Okay.

• 13:07Cassandra Yahnian?

  She was worried that she just made this terrible mistake and she wrote to her, "Totally just had a meltdown. I'm completely second guessing everything. I don't know if all of this was the right thing to do. So much happened last night. I just don't know." Kimberly, of course, was confused but supportive of her friend, assuring her that second thoughts were normal and that marriage could be overwhelming. The following day, Jordan wrote back again, saying she couldn't put herself together and that she hadn't stopped crying since the wedding day. She expressed that she knew she should feel happy, but that she couldn't, and she felt really guilty about it because Cody had been so happy to be married. That week, while they settled back into their normal lives, returning to work and back into their routines, Jordan continued to text

• 13:52Cassandra Yahnian?

  Kimberly about the struggles that she was having. In some moments, she explained that she felt like a loser for not being able to tell Cody sooner about how she felt. In another text thread she sent to Kimberly, she wrote about her husband, quote, "He held me down the other night and was in my face. He gets a temper fast." So it seems like there was something possibly else going on where they were fighting, which was making her and maybe from what she was saying in text messages, it sounded like maybe she was having these second thoughts because the marriage, they were having problems and fighting and maybe he was a little violent. It's, it's kind of unclear. She didn't go into super detail into her text messages.

• 14:34Cassandra Yahnian?

  On Sunday, July 7th, eight days after they wed, the two attended a morning service at Faith Baptist Church. Cody made no mention of any marital issues. Instead, it was quite the opposite. In a conversation with Jordan's stepfather, he said that he was excited because Jordan had said that she had a surprise for him. He had been so excited that he told two of his close friends as well, Brad and Eddie, about her planning something for him that following evening. On Sunday, it was tradition that members of the Faith Baptist Church would spend dinner time together. So that night, Cody and Jordan met them at a local Dairy Queen a little after 7:00 PM. They ate ice cream and chatted with their fellow church members and neighbors. Cody was always the more social.

• 15:17Cassandra Yahnian?

  Of the two of them. He was charming and loving. He was very engaging in conversation with the community while Jordan was more reserved and more quiet. The night went well and after about an hour out with everyone with them both having work in the morning, they bid their farewells and they headed back home for the night. Jordan continued to text Kimberly and told her that she was planning to talk to him that night, but also said, but dead serious. If you don't hear from me, something happened.

• 15:44Danielle LaRock?

  Sorry. Can I just ask really quick?

• 15:47Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 15:47Danielle LaRock?

  Has there been, because it feels like with what she conveyed through the text about him being violent with her and argumentative and now this, like if something happens to me, like, you know, I just feel like is, is this all happening just after they got married? Or was there any indication that this was a problem in their relationship prior to their marriage?

• 16:12Cassandra Yahnian?

  You know, I couldn't find a lot prior to their marriage, but I will say they were only engaged and in a relationship for, they were engaged for six months before that. And before they got engaged after three months of their relationship. So they really haven't, they've been together all in all about nine months at this point. So I'm not exactly, there's not a lot of time between that. And I couldn't find, I specifically couldn't find details of her mentioning this beforehand. It does come up later that it was an issue longer than these text messages reveal, but I couldn't find in-depth, concrete stuff to really back that up.

• 16:52Danielle LaRock?

  Okay. Just curious because it seems like that's a, I wouldn't, I have never said to somebody, like, if you don't hear from me, then something happened to me, suggesting that it was the person that I'm romantically involved with, you know, and if that was to happen out of the blue, like, that's really alarming.

• 17:11Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 17:12Danielle LaRock?

  So I don't know. I was just curious.

• 17:14Cassandra Yahnian?

  I agree. I mean, the only time I've ever said something like that is jokingly when I've gone out on a date, like, hey, if you don't hear from me, he murdered me, you know, when you're out on a first, but not seriously about a person that I knew and loved. Like if I don't, if I don't talk to you, like, just know something really bad happened to me.

• 17:32Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah.

• 17:32Cassandra Yahnian?

  It is concerning. And later that night, the distressed text messages to Kimberly continued. She wrote to her, "Now I'm freaking out. I don't even know what to do right now." Around 11:15 that same night, Jordan called her brother, Michael, telling him that after they left the Dairy Queen, her and Cody had gotten into an argument and Cody had left. She asked him if he would come over to the house so she wasn't alone. He agreed, and when he arrived, Jordan explained that after their argument, Cody was texting with someone and shortly after, a car she didn't recognize with out-of-state plates arrived and picked him up. He didn't say where he was going, but said it was a joyride with friends to blow off some steam. Meanwhile, while she spent time with her brother at the house,

• 18:16Cassandra Yahnian?

  she kept Kimberly up to speed on what was going on. Kimberly offered to help her go out and look for Cody since it was getting late, but she said that their conversation had made her so upset that she had no intentions of talking to him that night and didn't really want to see him. However, if he didn't show up for work the next day, then she would want to go out and look for him. With some blankets and extra pillows, Jordan's brother, Michael, settled in on their couch to stay for the night. Sometime around 1:00 a.m., he fell asleep, but Jordan was distressed over what had transpired and couldn't make herself go to bed. Still texting back and forth with Kimberly, she grabbed her car keys and drove over to her house. When she arrived, Kimberly couldn't help but notice how distraught she was.

• 18:59Cassandra Yahnian?

  She had been visually shaking and appeared to be very nervous. Kimberly, concerned more had transpired than what she had said over text message, tried to get more information out of her to help, but Jordan was very withdrawn. She wasn't really speaking that much, and she didn't want to elaborate on what had happened. Kimberly knew that she had been struggling a lot over the past week, and instead of pressing more about what had happened, she simply offered support and kind words to help her friend. The following day, Cody did not show up for work. This was extremely unusual because Cody was always very punctual for work. He wouldn't, and if he wasn't coming in, he always gave notice. So for him to just not show up, and the more- And be late was very odd.

• 19:44Cassandra Yahnian?

  Cameron Frederickson, who was not only Cody's supervisor, but was also one of his best friends who he had known since they were children together, texted Cody around 8:30 in the morning, asking where he was and why he was late. When Cody still didn't respond after two hours, he called him, but the call went directly to voicemail. Concerned, Cameron began calling around to his friends and coworkers, inquiring if they had heard from Cody at all. But each replied that they hadn't. Around 4:30 that evening, he received a text message from Jordan, asking if her husband had ever shown up for work that day. When he said that he hadn't, Jordan explained the same story she had told her brother and Kimberly, that they had gotten into an argument the night prior,

• 20:29Cassandra Yahnian?

  and he had taken off with friends. Cameron's first reaction to Jordan's version of events was that it seemed really strange. And very unlike Cody to just disappear like that in the middle of the night with friends. His feelings were confirmed when he spoke to another friend Jordan had told the story to as well. However, in this version of events, Jordan had said that she had actually left the house and followed the car, but eventually lost track of it somewhere around the Hungry Horse Dam. And this is a large power plant dam near Kalispell and not far from the west entrance of Glacier National Park. So he heard this story and he's like, she never mentioned that she followed the car or anything to me. Like, whereas this seems inconsistent to what I'm hearing. And for Cameron, this was strange and made him believe

• 21:14Cassandra Yahnian?

  that Jordan had known more than she was letting on and maybe had something to do with why he was missing. His suspicions were heightened because of the fact that Cameron actually never liked Jordan in general. He was so apprehensive about the marriage that before their wedding day, he told Cody that he believed he shouldn't go through with it at all. He felt the relationship wasn't healthy and that Cody did everything and anything for Jordan, but it was never reciprocated. And he wasn't the only one who felt that way. Behind the couple's backs, Cody's friends had been taking bets on how long their marriage would last and how soon that they would file for divorce. They had even On one occasion questioned Cody on his reasonings for marrying her, but he became

• 21:56Cassandra Yahnian?

  defensive and he stormed off offended at the line of questioning. And I think that's pretty telling if your friends are taking bets on how long it's going to take you to file for divorce.

• 22:07Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah, that's not a good sign.

• 22:08Cassandra Yahnian?

  No, it's also really hurtful. If I knew my friends behind my back were taking bets on how long Alan I would get divorced, I would be really hurt by that.

• 22:17Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah, well, that and I don't know, it just, it just seems like he's, and I hate to comment too soon because I don't know the full extent of the story, but I ha- I know what happens in the end.

• 22:30Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 22:31Danielle LaRock?

  Um, and I just feel like, I don't know, it's hard because it seems very complicated between what she's saying and clearly she's a liar and.

• 22:44Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah, there's already some inconsistencies here that are sketchy.

• 22:49Danielle LaRock?

  Right. So I don't want to say that she made everything up because if she truly was in any sort of abusive relationship, there needs to be some compassion given for that. But at the same time, that doesn't mean that you can push, push somebody off of a cliff either.

• 23:07Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 23:07Danielle LaRock?

  So I don't know. And it seems like he's defending his relationship to even the people that he loves the most. So clearly it seemed like he cared for her to some level.

• 23:18Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 23:19Danielle LaRock?

  I don't know. God, that it's just, love is so complicated.

• 23:22Cassandra Yahnian?

  And honestly, how many times have you been in a relationship where you know that you're in a bad relationship and your friends know you're in a bad relationship, but you still defend it because it's your relationship and you want it to be good? You know, it's just.

• 23:37Danielle LaRock?

  It. Guilty. Quite a few times.

• 23:42Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 23:43Danielle LaRock?

  But it's like your gut knows and my gut has always known. And it's like you're convincing your mind, your brain.

• 23:50Cassandra Yahnian?

  That everything's okay when it's not.

• 23:52Danielle LaRock?

  Right. It's just so.

• 23:55Cassandra Yahnian?

  Relationships are hard.

• 23:57Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah, they are.

• 24:02Danielle LaRock?

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• 25:22Cassandra Yahnian?

  When there had been no word of Cody the following day on July 9th, Cameron went to their home to look for him. When he arrived, no one was there, but the back door was unlocked and he let himself in. He looked around, hoping that there was any sign of what might have happened to Cody and anything that would give him some type of answer, but there was nothing. He couldn't find anything that would suggest any direction to even think of. He called around to every hospital near and far that he could think of that his friend could possibly be at, and with each call, it yielded no results.

• 25:54Danielle LaRock?

  Wait, okay, I need to clarify something before you go on.

• 25:57Cassandra Yahnian?

  Okay.

• 25:58Danielle LaRock?

  Was the night that they had this alleged argument and he took off or whatever, was that the night that she was planning to do something for him and then they got into this argument?

• 26:07Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah, that morning at church, well, that morning at church, he had told people that she had the surprise that she was doing for him sometime soon.

• 26:16Danielle LaRock?

  That evening.

• 26:17Cassandra Yahnian?

  It, someone asked about it and was like, what was the surprise? And he was like, oh, it hasn't happened yet. So I don't know if it was supposed to happen that even evening. It kind of sounded like it from conversation, but not fully confirmed. But there was allegedly a surprise that she was planning for him.

• 26:35Danielle LaRock?

  Cause I'm just, I mean, I'm just thinking like, oh, the surprise is to go into Glacier together.

• 26:40Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah, would make sense.

• 26:42Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah.

• 26:43Cassandra Yahnian?

  And we'll talk about that further down too, because that was my, I was like, well, what, what is this surprise, you know? And so we'll get into that conversation for sure later. So his friend calls around to every hospital. There's no sign of him anywhere and he's getting really concerned. And at that point, he decides that it's time to call the police and report his friend missing. So he calls the Kalispel Police Department and on this phone call, he states, it's really important that you talk to his new wife. They've been married for a week, Jordan. And it's really, he says, I really feel like she might know some information. Shortly afterwards, Jordan received a phone call from the Kalispel Police, asking her to come in for an interview.

• 27:24Cassandra Yahnian?

  At the time, she had been out with her friend, Amy Hess, driving around actually looking for Cody. Amy had noticed that Jordan seemed off. When they looked for signs of him at the Hungry Horse Dam, Jordan didn't seem really all that interested in participating in the search. And she was mostly on her phone giggling and texting, which came off as really odd, given her husband was missing. Jordan agreed to come to the police station and arrived there shortly after receiving the call. Sergeant Chad Zimmerman had been awaiting her arrival and escorted her into the interview room. When they sat down, he informed her that she would be recorded for the interview, which she acknowledged. He then proceeded to ask her where she had last seen her husband and when. This is where Jordan's story changed again.

• 28:08Cassandra Yahnian?

  She told the officer that she was out picking up a phone charger that she had accidentally left at the home that she had babysat earlier that day. And while she was gone, Cody had sent her a text message that said that he was going out with friends. And when she arrived, she saw a car leaving with out of state plates, Washington plates that she assumed was Cody. She then went on to say that when he usually goes out with his friends, they will go over to the horse dam or venture into nearby Glacier National Park. The officer quickly noticed the inconsistencies with her story because they had spoken to his best friend Cameron before that and told her that he suspected that she was not telling the truth. However, with nothing else to go off of at the time and after 30 minutes of speaking

• 28:52Cassandra Yahnian?

  together, she was free to go. The following morning, on July 10th, Jordan arrived at the police station again. This time, she brought her mother with her. And Jordan was there because she claimed that she had received a very concerning email the night prior after their conversation that she wanted police to see. She said that someone by the name of Tony had emailed her and said that there was no use looking for Cody because he was gone. She presented the email to Detective Corey Clark from her iPhone, and it read, "My name is Tony. There is no bother looking for Cody anymore. He is gone. I saw your post on Twitter and thought I would email you.

• 29:33Cassandra Yahnian?

  He had come with some buddies and met up with me on Sunday night in Columbia Falls. He was saying he needed to be with his buddies for a bit and to take them for a joyride. Three of the guys came back saying that they had gone for a ride in the woods somewhere, and Cody got out of the car and went for a little hike, and they are positive that he fell and he is dead, Jordan. I don't know who the guys were, but they took off. So call off the missing persons report. Cody is gone for sure. Tony." What in the world? Yeah. Okay. Sketchy. Police are probably like, okay, so. Now we know exactly what happened. What is this? Yeah. We don't believe any of this. It's just so detailed. It's so detailed. It's very odd. And when people are try, like.

• 30:18Danielle LaRock?

  That's something when people are lying, they include specifics that are usually unnecessary. Like

• 30:26Cassandra Yahnian?

  And un- like

• 30:28Danielle LaRock?

  Not needed.

• 30:29Cassandra Yahnian?

  That are definitely not needed or would be known by someone who was innocent.

• 30:33Danielle LaRock?

  I just, yeah, okay. All right. So she just handed her iPhone with that message.

• 30:38Cassandra Yahnian?

  It was like, look at this crazy email I just got.

• 30:41Danielle LaRock?

  Right.

• 30:41Cassandra Yahnian?

  Right. So Detective Clark felt the same way that we feel right now and thought it was very sketchy. And he questioned her whether Jordan even knew a Tony, which she said that she didn't. So again, another sign.

• 30:54Danielle LaRock?

  But this Tony has her email.

• 30:56Cassandra Yahnian?

  Exactly. So this Tony has your email. He is just telling you about this death of Jordan, who these guys, who he has no idea who they are, told him randomly.

• 31:08Danielle LaRock?

  Right. It makes a lot of sense.

• 31:10Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah. So it was just like really weird. And the detective also noted that she seemed very calm for what was happening. And he said it. He was like, why are you so calm right now? Your husband's missing. You just got an email that said he's dead and to stop looking for him. And, and you're, you're very calm, collected and put together. Like this seems very odd to me. And Jordan's mother was there and she kind of stood up for her and was like, you know, I know she seems really calm right now, but she was hysterical earlier when she got the email and she just really has a hard time showing emotion in front of other people, which other people did describe her that way, that she just was never really a forthcoming person with her feelings.

• 31:53Cassandra Yahnian?

  But still, it seemed, this is a really emotional time. So the officer was like, I just, I'm not buying whatever this is. So Detective Clark left the room, but several moments later, another detective came in, Melissa Smith. She informed Jordan that her story had a lot of inconsistencies and that their interview was now switching into an interrogation. With this, she gave her a paper to sign acknowledging her Miranda rights and that she could remain silent and not continue speaking with them. Jordan signed the paper, but she did continue to speak with the officers. She explained her original story of how they fought. And how Cody had taken off with friends. More suspicion was sparked in the investigator's eyes when they asked if they could read their text messages together.

• 32:36Cassandra Yahnian?

  Because she had said Cody sent her a text message that said, I'm going out with friends. And Jordan explained that she didn't have any because she had deleted their entire text thread. And she also explained that this was something that she did regularly because the kids that she babysat liked to go through her phone. So she periodically would delete her text messages between her and her husband.

• 32:58Danielle LaRock?

  I don't like that at all.

• 33:00Cassandra Yahnian?

  I, I think that's very sketchy, although, although not, I don't think this is this case, but I did know a girl in college who did always delete every text message she ever received in her phone.

• 33:13Danielle LaRock?

  I currently know somebody who does that as well.

• 33:17Cassandra Yahnian?

  Really? It seems like a lot of effort.

• 33:19Danielle LaRock?

  It's so weird to me.

• 33:20Cassandra Yahnian?

  It's so weird to me too. Do you know why they do it?

• 33:24Danielle LaRock?

  OCD reasons for sure.

• 33:26Cassandra Yahnian?

  Okay.

• 33:26Danielle LaRock?

  He doesn't like any sort of like clutter in any sort of way, I guess, including his phone. I don't know. I think it's fucking weird.

• 33:35Cassandra Yahnian?

  I think that's so weird.

• 33:37Danielle LaRock?

  I'm like, okay, I get it. Maybe with your inbox for work or something, but these are messages with like, I mean, I'm probably middle of the road. Yeah. Like I'm middle of the road. I have, I probably have, well, actually, let's see what my latest, the ones that go as far back as, okay, so I have a group chat that goes back to, um, let's see, 11 11 19 and I, I only kept it because it has anything that had any Ian in it, I kept. So like I have his text thread like pinned. He's my first pinned text thread and our thread goes back to, you know, that long as well. But as far as my regular messages, I mean, I think it's weird to just go ahead and delete entire threads.

• 34:22Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 34:22Danielle LaRock?

  For people you're actively speaking to.

• 34:25Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah. How are you going to know what they last said? I have never delete it unless, the only time I have deleted text threads is back when iPhone would be like, your memory, you have too much, you don't have enough storage to. Delete stuff, or I was being sketchy. Or like, like, the only times I've ever deleted something is because I didn't want someone else to see it.

• 34:47Danielle LaRock?

  Which is, I think, the only reason to, or OCD, I guess. I don't know. I can't speak for everybody, but I think it's weird behavior to actively be deleting conversations as they're happening. If you can, if you need to delete a conversation you had four years ago with people you're never going to speak to again, sure. Why is it on your phone?

• 35:08Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah, if you're just like decluttering things.

• 35:11Danielle LaRock?

  Right, but if you're active with your husband, I would never be like, oh, well, I don't need that part of the conversation anymore.

• 35:18Cassandra Yahnian?

  I just have to delete this. Yeah.

• 35:20Danielle LaRock?

  Especially when this, not even to mention, when he's actively missing and there's a whole thing going on. She's like, oh, yeah, I deleted that.

• 35:28Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah. And if Al was missing, I would be sending him a bunch of text messages and calling him, which would also be in my phone.

• 35:35Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah.

• 35:36Cassandra Yahnian?

  You know, so the fact that she had no text messages at all between them was very weird for investigators. However, despite their suspicions, there wasn't much that police could go off of at the time. Cody was still missing, but there was no evidence that a crime had occurred, so they had to let her go.

• 36:01Cassandra Yahnian?

  That afternoon, a search party of loved ones headed into Glacier National Park in attempts to find Cody. Where they lived in Kalispell, Montana is known as the gateway town to Glacier National Park. It's a mere 45-minute scenic drive to the west entrance, which brings you to the iconic Going to the Sun Road. This road is a must-see for all visitors, and the road spans 50 miles traversing through the Rocky Mountains, offering views of glaciers, valleys sprouting with wildflowers, cascading waterfalls, and the abundance of wildlife that lives there. The search party were now beginning to think the worst. If Cody had entered the park like Jordan had suggested, he could be seriously injured, or he could have had an accident and had died there.

• 36:45Cassandra Yahnian?

  They drove the Going to Sun Road, stopping at Scenic Vista. Parking lots along the way, hoping to find any sign of him. Eventually, they found themselves at the loop, also known as the parking lot of the High Line Trail, an incredibly popular hike that offers sweeping views of the incredible landscapes of the park, and famously leads you to the Granite Park Chalet. The parking lot is located on a cliffside and the beginning of the trail features switchbacks leading you down into the valley and along the mountain sides. When they arrived, Jordan walked the parking lot and then told her brother that she wanted to walk down to the bottom of the cliff wall in search of Cody. He responded that it was getting dark and it was just too dangerous to go down there that evening.

• 37:28Cassandra Yahnian?

  Instead, they left and the following day, the group returned. This time, they brought missing pursing flyers that they hung along all the way through the park, before going back to the loop. This time, they walked down the trail a bit together and Jordan was insistent that she wanted to go to the bottom of the cliff wall that was there. The group questioned why she wanted to see that particular spot so badly, because she was really insisting on it, to which she responded, quote, "I just have a feeling." She climbed down the wall and looked out into the ravine below. After a few minutes of looking from different angles, she called out to her brother, Michael, that she had spotted something. Michael quickly climbed down to see what she was looking at,

• 38:12Cassandra Yahnian?

  and to his horror, hundreds of feet below was Cody, lying face down in a stream of water. Michael collapsed at the sight of him and began to cry. Jordan, however, remained calm while they left the site to report back to park rangers. Jordan climbed into the car with a friend named Cecilia, while the rest of the group piled into other vehicles. They drove towards the Lake McDonnell Lodge, but on the way, Jordan said something to Cecilia that shocked her. She wasn't sad, she wasn't crying, she didn't seem shocked at what she had just seen. Instead, she simply stated to Cecilia, "Now that we've found him, we can call that detective and he can get out of my business."

• 38:53Danielle LaRock?

  Okay, that's, yeah, the absolute last thing.

• 38:56Cassandra Yahnian?

  It's cold.

• 38:57Danielle LaRock?

  If anything, I'd be like, "I want you in my business and I want you to help me figure out what happened to him."

• 39:02Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 39:03Danielle LaRock?

  You know, like, that's...

• 39:04Cassandra Yahnian?

  If you truly don't know, like, I want you here, I want...

• 39:07Danielle LaRock?

  I want everyone's help.

• 39:08Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 39:09Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah.

• 39:09Cassandra Yahnian?

  A park ranger was dispatched to the lodge where he had found Jordan and asked her to fill out a statement form. Afterwards, because of the location of Cody's body and dwindling daylight, it was decided a team would come out the next morning to recover him. When investigators found him, one of his shoes had fallen off of him and was in the water. Beside him, they found a black cloth and they found his wallet in his pocket, positively identifying him as Cody Johnson. After photos were taken of the scene, Cody was put into a body bag and he was airlifted out of the ravine. An autopsy report later revealed that Cody had died from blunt force trauma from injuries sustained in the fall, similar to those a person was sustained in a car accident. A few days following his recovery, a memorial

• 39:54Cassandra Yahnian?

  service was held, and afterwards, a celebration of life with his friends and family was had. Cody's loved ones couldn't help but notice that Jordan's lack of emotion during these services and how withdrawn she was from everyone there. Instead of mourning along with family and friends, she spent most of her time just on her phone. Meanwhile, the FBI found that there was enough inconsistency surrounding Cody's death that they opened a full-blown investigation, which revealed some very damning evidence towards Jordan. First, they subpoenaed for an IP address of where the email that Jordan received from Tony had come from. It revealed that the email was sent from Jordan's parents' home.

• 40:35Cassandra Yahnian?

  In addition, they discovered the email was created the same day that it was sent. So, I mean-

• 40:41Danielle LaRock?

  So, there's that.

• 40:42Cassandra Yahnian?

  There's that. It's clearly from her. While that didn't prove guilt, it certainly raised suspicion. However, the nail in the coffin of Jordan's guilt for investigators came from security camera footage they acquired from Glacier National Park. A camera at the west entrance captured footage of both Cody and Jordan in the same car entering the park at 9:17 PM on July 7th. This proved that her story of him leaving their home with friends had been a lie.

• 41:12Danielle LaRock?

  And what friends? Oh, well, okay, sorry. I guess you already said they don't know.

• 41:18Cassandra Yahnian?

  They don't know, but just some friends from Washington. She doesn't have any names. She doesn't know. If Al went out with his friends, I would know names.

• 41:25Danielle LaRock?

  Well, that's what I'm saying. And it's like, that feels like a- I'm not putting it past it's it is what it is, but it just feels like a very juvenile move to do like I'm getting my friends are picking me up because I'm mad and we're in a fight and I'm leaving with them. It just

• 41:40Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 41:41Danielle LaRock?

  Like that feels like a very, I'm sure some people do that sometimes. I know that like there's been times where you just need to physically remove yourself from a heated argument or something, but I would imagine you getting into your own car and leaving versus having your friends come get you.

• 41:59Cassandra Yahnian?

  For sure.

• 42:00Danielle LaRock?

  Random joyride.

• 42:02Cassandra Yahnian?

  And I'm all about if I need, I don't know. If I need support from my friends, I will go to them, you know, of course, but the way that it's done in a random car you don't recognize just came and your friends all the way from Washington came to pick them up after your fight in the middle of the night.

• 42:18Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's like, okay, there's a difference between being like, hey, I'm going to, what was his friends out Cameron? Was that his friend? One of his friends? Like, I'm going to Cameron's. I can't be here anymore. That's fine.

• 42:28Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 42:29Danielle LaRock?

  But it just felt weird. Even it all feels weird because it is weird because it's made up. Because it's a lie.

• 42:36Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 42:36Danielle LaRock?

  But even if it was true, it just feels odd that that would happen.

• 42:41Cassandra Yahnian?

  I agree. It's just very far fetched. It's like, what? And why is this a lie you're telling to? It just, it's very inconsistent.

• 42:48Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah. Yeah. It's like, get better at lying.

• 42:52Cassandra Yahnian?

  I know. It's so easy from the city to be like, if I murdered someone, I would never, I would have a way better lie.

• 43:00Danielle LaRock?

  Uh, yeah.

• 43:03Danielle LaRock?

  Who are we to say?

• 43:04Cassandra Yahnian?

  Who are we to say? We have not murdered anyone. We're handily.

• 43:09Danielle LaRock?

  I haven't.

• 43:16Cassandra Yahnian?

  Like, I really haven't.

• 43:18Danielle LaRock?

  I truly have not.

• 43:20Cassandra Yahnian?

  I truly have not either.

• 43:21Danielle LaRock?

  Glad we're on the same page. Okay.

• 43:24Cassandra Yahnian?

  So on July 16th, investigators asked Jordan to come back to their station and they did this under the guise that they simply just had a few more questions for her. When she arrived, they asked her to recount her version of events again. And again, she told them the story of him leaving the house with friends that were from out of state. When she finished retelling the story, she was informed that they knew she was lying and she was shown pictures from the footage of her entering the park with Cody. It was only then that she was charged with his murder and she acquired an attorney. I also do think it's important to note here that while investigators had had recorded all of their previous conversations, for whatever reason, in this final one on July 16th, they did not record the entirety

• 44:08Cassandra Yahnian?

  of the conversation. So exactly what happened for a confession or what where the conversation led is up for speculation and debate because there's actually not much. There are recordings, but they're only specifically of her giving them evidence that they could use in a case. There's no other conversation that is recorded and evidence of it, including like questioning that they were doing and things like that. So that is something that is up for debate on what actually occurred during that meeting. In fact, when she was indicted for second degree murder and lying to police, her defense tried to get all of it entirely thrown out.

• 44:52Cassandra Yahnian?

  This was on grounds that investigators were suppressing certain evidence. Her attorney claimed that the government selectively preserved evidence by recording only portions of the defendant's interrogation that it felt would benefit a case against her. They also argued that all previous conversations from July 16th had been video recorded, but arguably the most crucial part of their investigation where they accused her of murder was not. Her defense also said that the investigator's interrogation technique was unprofessional. He accused him of sitting too close to Jordan, that he was so close to her during the interrogation that their knees were actually touching. And in a given circumstance during the conversation,

• 45:33Cassandra Yahnian?

  He put his hand on her knee, even though she was wearing shorts and held it there. Her attorney said that the interrogation was an ambush and they used psychological techniques to get information out of Jordan that wasn't necessarily true. Jordan also swore that she took a polygraph, which she passed in the interrogation, but investigators denied that that ever happened.

• 46:01Cassandra Yahnian?

  Despite the allegations of misconduct for the investigators, the case went to trial. The prosecution argued that Jordan premeditated the murder by luring him into Glacier National Park and pushing him off of a cliff because she was unhappy being married. They also speculated that that the black cloth found at the scene was possibly used to blindfold Cody, which could have been linked to the surprise that Cody had told his friends that Jordan had been planning.

• 46:30Danielle LaRock?

  Uh, it's all coming together.

• 46:31Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yes. So that was their theory of what had happened. And actually DNA later linked that black cloth to Jordan. They found her hair in it. They also said that she was trying to cover up her crimes by lying to investigators throughout pretty much the entire investigation. They brought forward witnesses in the case, including Jordan's bridesmaid Kimberly, who spoke out against her. She confirmed all the odd behavior that she had been exhibiting and told the court everything that she knew. Jordan's attorney argued that she had pushed Cody off of the cliff in self-defense during an argument and that it was an accident. They argued that she had only lied to investigators because she was afraid that no one would believe her story.

• 47:13Danielle LaRock?

  So just to confirm, her story is still the friend thing and Tony?

• 47:18Cassandra Yahnian?

  No, so her attorneys are actually not denying the fact that she killed Jordan. They're saying that she did it in self-defense.

• 47:27Danielle LaRock?

  Okay.

• 47:28Cassandra Yahnian?

  Has been what? Because they have the footage of her in the park. So the defense team has gone with that. This was a self-defense situation. Over a period of two and a half days, more than 30 witnesses came forward against Jordan, including Cody's mother, who sobbed on the stand and detailed how excited her son had been to marry Jordan and start a family. She explained how excited she had been to one day become a grandmother and how that opportunity had now been taken away from her. Another witness recounted a time where Jordan stated that she would be willing to kill her mother and her stepmother. Although it was not related to the case, the defense felt it was important to show her character.

• 48:08Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah, very important to bring that up.

• 48:11Cassandra Yahnian?

  She's threatening other lives and someone, her husband died. I think it's relevant, even if it wasn't part of the case.

• 48:18Danielle LaRock?

  Followed through with, yeah.

• 48:19Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah. It was December 12th, 2013, when the witness testimonies finished and the court took a short recess before each side would make their closing arguments. However, the trial took a shocking turn when Jordan arrived and announced that she was pleading guilty to second degree murder. The judge was surprised and asked Jordan if she knew what she was doing and that by pleading guilty, she was committing herself to prison for most likely the duration of her life. And she was foregoing the opportunity for the jury to decide if her defense team had represented her and there was a shred of doubt and or that it was self-defense. And she confirmed that she knew the implications of what she was doing, but she wanted to plead guilty because she was guilty.

• 49:02Cassandra Yahnian?

  The judge then asked if she was to plead guilty, that she would like Jordan to give closure to Cody's family and friends and tell the court exactly what had happened that day. Jordan agreed and she finally told her story. She explained that she was unhappy with the marriage and was having a lot of doubts and she finally had the courage to speak to Cody about it after that night out with church members at the Dairy Queen. When they got home, she told him everything that she was feeling, but it resulted in a fight. When things calmed down, the two of them decided to take a drive to Glacier National Park and they wanted to go to the trail loop. Area just to talk more and kind of fend things out a little bit.

• 49:42Cassandra Yahnian?

  It was late and the sun was setting, but once they were there, they walked the trail and then veered off into a steep area, during which their argument intensified. During the argument, Cody grabbed her arm when she tried to walk away from him. And in a heated moment, she pushed him off of her, but they were standing too close to the cliff and he fell off the edge. Ultimately, Jordan was sentenced to thirty years in prison, followed by five years supervised release. Prior to her sentencing, Jordan did try to withdraw her guilty plea, which the courts denied. In two thousand and fifteen, a year after her sentencing, she tried to appeal her conviction, which was also denied.

• 50:21Cassandra Yahnian?

  And most recently, on May third, two thousand and twenty-four, a motion was filed to reduce her sentence for a compassionate release. While I wasn't able to locate the document that detailed her reasoning why she should have a compassionate release, I did look up reasons of possibilities of why they would allow that. And some of that is due to a death in the family, age, which she's not really old, so that wouldn't be for her, or being terminally ill. However, as of July second, two thousand and twenty-four, a second motion was filed withdrawing that motion for a compassionate release. And as of today, Jordan Graham is still serving her sentence at a federal prison in Alabama.

• 51:04Cassandra Yahnian?

  And that's what I have on her story, but I do have some thoughts here because I thought that her confession of what happened, I thought had a lot of holes in it. So I don't really know if I think that we still have the full story.

• 51:21Danielle LaRock?

  I would bet almost all of that I have to say that that was not the full truth.

• 51:26Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah, and I will, part of what makes me speculate that too is that when he was found, he was found facing, face down in the water, which meant he fell that way. And if they had been fighting, they wouldn't have been facing the edge of the cliff. You know, he would have had to be looking out the cliff. Fell off that way when she pushed him, but that doesn't really make sense if they were face to face fighting with each other and he was grabbing her.

• 51:54Danielle LaRock?

  I agree. And also, I mean, the whole surprise thing, she just shot herself in the foot so many times throughout this. But that black cloth and co- coupled with the surprise thing that got leaked that she allegedly told him and he told his friends that about, it's so clear to me, it is so clear to me that, and I mean, obviously I, I don't know, but in my mind, it would make a lot of sense for whether or not an argument happened, who knows?

• 52:26Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 52:26Danielle LaRock?

  Like maybe it happened, maybe it didn't, but I feel like it would be not out of the realm of possibility for what truly happened that night is, okay, I have a surprise for you, let's go. Like, we're gonna go to Glacier, we're gonna go to this beautiful place, this outlook, I have a surprise for you. And then blindfolded him, once they got to a certain spot, she let him right up to the edge and pushed him over.

• 52:46Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 52:46Danielle LaRock?

  I feel like that's it. And as messed up as that is, and as cold as that is, I feel like that's what truly happened. Like whether or not they had arguments and then they made up and it's like, okay, let's still go and try and like patch things up or whatever, like. I feel like the argument is kind of irrelevant in that version of the story because I think what's really, it centered around is like this surprise, that's what got him to this location and that close to the edge. Without, y- you know what I mean? Like, that's just what my feelings are.

• 53:19Cassandra Yahnian?

  I agree. I agree with you, especially because in part of the research that I did, I saw that one article said that his friend said that he had a severe fear of heights and that he wouldn't have stood that close to an edge. So I think it would make sense that he could have been potentially blindfolded and didn't know he was that close to an edge.

• 53:42Danielle LaRock?

  Yes. Like, that's just my, as an outsider, looking in with the very basic information that I know about the case, just from what you've told me. That is my feelings on it. And I mean, as much as she is definitely.

• 53:57Danielle LaRock?

  Stone cold killer and a liar. I feel like there are some indications in there that she did feel some guilt. Based off of not only just say coming forward and being like, I'm guilty. I want to submit my, you know, I'm not even gonna let the jury do deliberate and do their thing. Like I'm guilty. I'm going to come forward with it. But even just like after that, when her friends were noticing how shaken up she was and how, how visibly upset she looked and just wasn't acting right. And yeah, she was cold and stuff towards investigators and was acting odd and off. It feels like there are little glimmers of her feeling guilty. Or at least her body giving tells of that.

• 54:39Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah. And the fact that she didn't have to lead them to where, where he was. I mean, they were in the parking lot, but she didn't have to be like, hey, guys, look over this cliff. However, I don't know if that was guilt or she truly thought if they found him that the police would leave her alone.

• 54:57Danielle LaRock?

  True. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not trying to like make anyone feel like compassion towards her because I mean, she killed somebody and it's awful. I just, I don't believe the girl. I don't believe her with, that he was abusive or whether or not she actually came forward with that claim specifically, just based on things and comments that she's made. I don't believe that it was as bad as me. I think, God, sorry, I'm rambling this episode. I am so tired today, guys. I'm so sorry. I'm like trying to form a thought and it's difficult. But um, I think that she was just unhappy. She made a mistake. She knows she made a mistake.

• 55:40Danielle LaRock?

  Her gut was telling her far before the wedding that maybe this wasn't the right move to make. And for whatever reason, she went forward with it and she was trying to backpedal and get herself out of it in the absolute worst way. One could do that. She did that. Not to say that you can't change your mind and feel like you made a mistake. There's different ways to go about reversing that mistake without having to kill somebody. But I don't know. I just feel like she freaked out and thought that this was an easy solution. It for in whatever, way of my state of mind that is.

• 56:18Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah. And I, I have

• 56:21Danielle LaRock?

  Like, what do you think about like her allegations towards how he treated her and why she did? Because she never said why she did that, right? Other than she was unhappy?

• 56:32Cassandra Yahnian?

  No, I mean, her whole thing was self-defense and that she was unhappy in the relationship. I do think just looking in the notes and maybe from the court documents and maybe this was further investigated. And I'm just not privy to that information is that I'm not sure that the allegations of the abuse was investigated very much. It looks like it was kind of, kind of just brushed off as, as being false, especially because she had lied so much already. So I think her credibility went down with every lie. If that was true, no one was going to believe that.

• 57:10Cassandra Yahnian?

  So I personally, I think that it would be interesting to know if they investigated that a little bit more to see if there was any truth behind it. Because I do think that that changes something if she was actively being abused. However, it was a really new relationship. It feels like this marriage wasn't something that she had. It just like, there was obviously other outs and not, I'm not trying to condone by any means what she was doing. And I still think that that's not right. And I don't think that her version of events is true. I think that everything leads to her luring him out there for a surprise.

• 57:54Cassandra Yahnian?

  I agree with you, but I do think it's worth investigating a little bit more if she was telling the truth on that aspect of her relationship. Because I do think that does change things a little bit. But from my point of view and perspective, I don't see, if I was in the middle of fighting with someone and we were getting into heated arguments about the end of our relationship and how I wasn't happy. I wouldn't be like, oh, let's go adventure down the street and like just cool off for a little bit. You know, I wouldn't want to sit in a car with them and go to this beautiful location while I'm upset and crying and go out in public, you know? And Especially it wasn't two o'clock in the afternoon. The camera caught them at nine seventeen P M. The sun was setting as they got into the park.

• 58:39Danielle LaRock?

  So it's all she planned it out.

• 58:41Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 58:41Danielle LaRock?

  She planned it out.

• 58:42Cassandra Yahnian?

  That's what I think too. I think it was like, I think it was a surprise at sunset in Glacier National Park. Is what I think, just based on the timing. And I think that she is guilty and I do think it was planned out as well.

• 58:57Danielle LaRock?

  Whether or not she felt bad about that to be not sure.

• 59:01Cassandra Yahnian?

  Debated, I guess. I don't think personally, if if what she's saying and we can't, we're just totally speculating. We don't know. Um, but if what she's saying and her confession is not the truth. I don't think she feels bad about it because if you feel bad about something, you come forward and you tell the truth about it. And she also tried to recant her confession. And she's also has actively tried to appeal her conviction and she's tried to get out of prison. Um, as of this year, so I think that if you really feel guilty about something, you wouldn't. You wouldn't necessarily be doing that.

• 59:37Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah. Well, we all know my feelings and I hope that she, uh, I don't know. I don't have any hopes for her, I guess.

• 59:54Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 59:54Danielle LaRock?

  Sorry, Jordan, uh, you're just, you're not a, you don't.

• 59:58Cassandra Yahnian?

  Not a good person.

• 59:59Danielle LaRock?

  You're not a good girl.

• 1:00:00Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:00Danielle LaRock?

  Sorry. Um, yeah, and I feel, but I feel awful for Cody's family and like it just, it felt. It feels to me a little bit that he was probably really blindsided. If she's lying about.

• 1:00:14Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:15Danielle LaRock?

  The issues in their relationship and the any sort of abusive sort of things.

• 1:00:20Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yes.

• 1:00:21Danielle LaRock?

  Like it just feels everything, how you kind of set up the story and what you conveyed about him and his feelings towards his marriage. It just feels like he was on a different planet, like

• 1:00:32Cassandra Yahnian?

  Like he thought everything was beautiful and wonderful when she was feeling totally different.

• 1:00:37Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah, like you're in the same relationship, but you're on different pages. You're in different chapters, the same book. And that makes me really sad for him if that was the case.

• 1:00:46Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:47Danielle LaRock?

  Because that's not only did he lose his life, but he also was in this totally, he was under a completely different impression. And that's just, that's not fair.

• 1:00:59Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:59Danielle LaRock?

  It just, it feels to me that she probably didn't try and communicate any problems that she was having or feeling or whatever. Even though she claimed she did, I don't know. I'm going in a circle.

• 1:01:10Cassandra Yahnian?

  I also feel like she was kind of breadcrumbing the situation where she was sending out these text messages like, oh, I don't know what I'm gonna do. I feel so bad. I'm gonna have this. If anything happens to me, if I don't come back, just know something bad happened to me. Like I feel like she was kind of breadcrumbing this over a week to lead up to make her seem like she wasn't guilty of anything.

• 1:01:32Danielle LaRock?

  Building, she was, she was, yeah, that was like, it was like a long con essentially is what she was doing. She was like really making sure that, you know, when somebody's trying to make, you know, the, it's like, let me make sure I go somewhere and I'm in security cam footage. In case of anything like, you know, just making these things known so that it's harder to argue.

• 1:01:55Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:56Danielle LaRock?

  I don't know. I, she's a freaking sneaky snake.

• 1:01:59Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah, I agree.

• 1:02:02Danielle LaRock?

  I know you posted a picture of her on our, on our episode. I want to look at her.

• 1:02:07Cassandra Yahnian?

  Oh, on our Trello.

• 1:02:08Danielle LaRock?

  Let me look at her. Yeah, we have a little like board that we use to organize our episodes and stuff and Cassie uploaded a picture.

• 1:02:14Cassandra Yahnian?

  She, they look very unassuming. They look like a normal, happy couple. I would never suspect anything. Yeah.

• 1:02:21Danielle LaRock?

  Although I know that necklace is probably, probably really special and stuff to her, but I hate a heart necklace.

• 1:02:28Cassandra Yahnian?

  Fair, fair.

• 1:02:30Danielle LaRock?

  I, there's something about them.

• 1:02:32Cassandra Yahnian?

  There was always, I feel like in the early 2000s, they were really big heart necklaces.

• 1:02:38Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah, I never got on board.

• 1:02:40Cassandra Yahnian?

  Do you remember that one from Claire's? That was the big chain that had a heart on it? And it like went through a loop and everyone wore them in like seventh and eighth grade. It was silver.

• 1:02:52Danielle LaRock?

  Chunkier, right?

• 1:02:53Cassandra Yahnian?

  It was silver and chunky. Yeah. It was almost like a choker, but like a little bit longer.

• 1:02:58Danielle LaRock?

  I do remember, but I was not on that group. I was in the actual, like the black choker.

• 1:03:03Cassandra Yahnian?

  Ah, I had a black choker face, but I also had the heart. Yeah.

• 1:03:09Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:09Cassandra Yahnian?

  But I also had the heart, Claire's heart phase too.

• 1:03:13Danielle LaRock?

  Let's not revisit that time in our lives. Awful.

• 1:03:17Cassandra Yahnian?

  If I had photos, I would post it, but I do not.

• 1:03:21Danielle LaRock?

  You definitely have photos.

• 1:03:22Cassandra Yahnian?

  None that I, none that I can, I bet on an old computer, I definitely do. I actually have this old computer sitting in my closet at my house that I keep back there because it's super slow now. It's an old Dell. It's like the, one of the huge computers um, that I had in high school and I know that there are a ton of photos on it, but it moves so slowly that it's really hard to take the photos off of it. So I know one day I'm going to do it, but I just haven't. But one day when I do,

• 1:03:56Danielle LaRock?

  I'll keep time.

• 1:03:56Cassandra Yahnian?

  Maybe I'll have those photos again.

• 1:03:59Danielle LaRock?

  The only picture I can think of right now that I have somewhere that's not on a computer like that, because Courtney sent it to me. So Ian's sister and I were friends before me and Ian ever dated, like Courtney and I were friends first. We graduated in the same class together. And we were friends since like sixth grade and I have a picture of me and her, like our arms are around each other. And we were in either fifth or sixth grade at this time. So how old are you? 12?

• 1:04:29Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah, you're like, um, yeah, 11, 12.

• 1:04:32Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah. And I have one of those chokers on and I look like, uh, first of all, I was the palest I've ever been. I don't know how I got that pale. And my hair was slicked back like as tight as it could go with two big chunky strands next to my eyes pulled out. I look like, I'm not smiling at all. I look like I'm about to, I feel, look like I'm about to kill somebody. I have that black choker on and Courtney's just like super smiley, like bubbly. And I have this like black T-shirt on and I'm like, oh my God, I look. What is wrong with me? I don't know. I have no idea. Um, but yeah, that's the choker pick that I could probably access, but I won't because it's scary.

• 1:05:16Danielle LaRock?

  It sounds scary. I'd like to see it. And it's funny. It's like now I have an angel wing necklace. It's like how we have evolved. Yes. Well, that is the end of our episode. Thank you everyone so much for joining us. We will see everyone next week and in the meantime, enjoy the view. But watch your back. Bye, everyone. Bye. Thank you for joining us again this week. If you love National Park After Dark and want to hear exclusive bonus stories, join us on Patreon or Apple subscriptions. Patreon subscribers have access to our National Park After Dark Book Club, live streams, Discord, and much more. If you prefer to watch our episodes, video episodes are now available on YouTube. If you're enjoying the show, please take a moment to rate, review,

• 1:05:58Danielle LaRock?

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