Ep. 747: Game On, Suckers! MeatEater Trivia CLXXVII

Mark Kenyon guest hosts MeatEater Trivia with Janis Putelis, Clay Newcomb, Brent Reaves, Tony Peterson, Maggie Hudlow, Bear Newcomb, Heather Douville, and Spencer Neuharth. Connect with MeatEater on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/meateater, Facebook https://www.facebook.com/StevenRinellaMeatEater/, Twitter https://twitter.com/MeatEaterTV?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor, YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAaa0mleeU128Ad5iM1RFIg, and YouTube Clips https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterClips Subscribe to MeatEater Podcast Network on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork Shop Trivia Merch https://store.themeateater.com/collections/meateater-trivia/?lang=en_US See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 2:06Speaker 02

  Welcome to Meat Eater Trivia, the only game show where conservation always wins. I am your special guest host today, Mark Kenyon. And this week I am joined by Yanis, Clay, Brent, Maggie Bear, Tony, Spencer, and Heather. This is a 10-round quiz show with questions from Meat Eater's four main verticals, which are hunting, fishing, conservation, and cooking. And there is a prize. Meat Eater will donate $500 to the conservation organization of the winners choosing. And today we have a lot of new faces, a lot of out-of-towners here in the studio, which is exciting. But two of them are first-time appearance folks on the podcast here. We've got Bear and Heather.

• 2:50Speaker 02

  Heather, how are you feeling here today?

• 2:53Speaker 00

  I'm feeling good.

• 2:55Speaker 02

  That wasn't convincing, to be honest.

• 2:57Speaker 00

  I'm ready.

• 2:58Speaker 02

  You're ready?

• 2:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:59Speaker 03

  She studied all night.

• 3:00Speaker 04

  Heather was thinking she needed to practice for this.

• 3:03Speaker 05

  Oh, how do you practice?

• 3:06Speaker 00

  I don't know, you gifted me the game.

• 3:07Speaker 05

  I did. We've used all those questions, though, so I don't think they'll show up today.

• 3:12Speaker 02

  Here's my only concern, Heather. Right out the gate, I do know that you are not good at guessing people's ages. Because you, you, yeah, last night supposedly, separately, both Cory and Tony told Heather that I am 24 years old, and she bought it hook, line, and sinker.

• 3:29Speaker 06

  It's not hard, not hard to do.

• 3:31Speaker 02

  I know.

• 3:31Speaker 04

  Mark, would you have told that joke if she would have thought you were 51?

• 3:35Speaker 02

  No, probably not.

• 3:38Speaker 02

  I am, in fact, 37. But if you were to have a specialty in trivia, what would you think that would be? Is there something that you're particularly good at or weak in from our four verticals? Hunt, fish, cook, conservation?

• 3:53Speaker 00

  Strengths, I'd say, traditional knowledge.

• 3:56Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 3:57Speaker 06

  Jan Ed.

• 3:58Speaker 00

  Digital culture.

• 3:59Speaker 02

  Yep, yep. What about you, Bear?

• 4:02Speaker 07

  Well, I'll be honest, every time I listen to the trivia and like keep track of my score, I'm always like bottom of the pack. Like, I don't know where Brody is pulling out all this random knowledge.

• 4:14Speaker 05

  It's your dad's fault, actually.

• 4:16Speaker 06

  Brody's almost 70 years old, that's a lot of experience. That's where that comes from.

• 4:21Speaker 03

  Heather guessed him at 68.

• 4:24Speaker 00

  They did give me some hints. I didn't study, but pollinators, I should have studied pollinators.

• 4:35Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 4:35Speaker 00

  Butterflies.

• 4:36Speaker 02

  In all honesty, that will help you today.

• 4:39Speaker 05

  These are, these are hints.

• 4:42Speaker 08

  This is the Mark Kenyon version of trivia.

• 4:44Speaker 02

  If you are a book reader, that will help today. Uh, that's all the clues I'll give you. Uh, Spencer, there are a lot of folks here in town. Do you want to let the audience know why we have all these folks in town?

• 4:57Speaker 05

  Uh, like once a year, I feel like the whole crew gets together and we, we shoot guns and look at new products and, uh, record some podcasts. There's gonna be some fresh voices on radio today. I think Clay Newcomb's in the, in the captain's chair. Um, just, just general moseying. That's what Bear Newcomb says he does at home.

• 5:17Speaker 06

  There we go.

• 5:17Speaker 05

  That he, every day he does some general moseying to which is, is very annoying to his dad Clay when Clay says, Bear, what are you up to today?

• 5:24Speaker 06

  It's, it's, it's just so nondescript. Well, it's like the perfect word for a lot of activities. It's the perfect word to say to your parents if you're just trying to be nondescript.

• 5:35Speaker 04

  It's like the word aloha. It means a whole kinds of.

• 5:40Speaker 05

  We're just, we're just general moseying.

• 5:42Speaker 02

  It does seem incredibly on brand that Clay's son says something like that. So you've trained him well. Uh, how do you feel outside of the driver's seat Spencer? Is this like, do you enjoy this or are you nervous?

• 5:52Speaker 05

  I like playing and I, I wouldn't entrust someone in hosting if I didn't think they would do a good job. And, uh, as, as Yanni had said, having you pace him for the last 10 miles of his hundred mile race was, what was your reason Yanni? Because you, you just trust that Mark will do like a good job. He'll study. He'll try hard, right?

• 6:09Speaker 06

  That's right. That's right. And Mark is new to, uh, running, ultra running. And I thought that would be, it'd be a good exposure experience for, for Mark too. He'd get something out of it. He'd be appreciative of, to be there.

• 6:21Speaker 05

  To your first point, he's just organized. He, he will, he will try hard. Um, he'll, he'll like put in a real effort. Um, so I, I think Mark will do a good job. I'm, I'm excited.

• 6:31Speaker 06

  Which he did do for me, if anybody's wondering. Mark did a great job pacing.

• 6:35Speaker 05

  Okay. What would have been a bad job? Besides just like walking?

• 6:39Speaker 06

  Um, uh, just like not being able to do, to do enough talking, not being able to, uh, keep up the positive, positivity that's needed.

• 6:51Speaker 05

  What'd you guys talk about?

• 6:53Speaker 02

  Let's be clear, real quick, before Yanni says anything. A key thing he mentioned at the very beginning, he was like, "Hey, Mark, I don't have much in me right now, so don't ask me questions. Do not interview me, just talk at me."

• 7:05Speaker 06

  I told him, I was like, "I ain't got it in me for an interview, buddy."

• 7:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, Mark was just gonna podcast at you.

• 7:11Speaker 02

  Yes, that's what I did.

• 7:12Speaker 05

  What'd you podcast about?

• 7:15Speaker 02

  Knowing me, basically gave him like five book reports.

• 7:18Speaker 06

  Yeah, I got to know about a lot of books. Some of Mark's new projects he's working on here at Meat Eater.

• 7:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was good.

• 7:26Speaker 06

  What else?

• 7:27Speaker 02

  Oh, I told you about my recent backpacking trip with the kids. Some of our fun summer exploits, talked about my Iowa deer plans. And then generally, just told Yanni how proud I was of him and how inspiring he was.

• 7:43Speaker 05

  That's nice.

• 7:43Speaker 06

  And he wasn't quitting. One of my other buddies pulled up in his truck, jamming some Wu-Tang for us to get me fired up, which was working.

• 7:51Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 7:51Speaker 06

  And while Wu-Tang's blaring out of the truck, Mark's still...

• 7:58Speaker 02

  That's true.

• 7:59Speaker 05

  I'm also excited because the person hosting gets some constructive feedback from the people playing. To which Tony is here, and you guys have such a good relationship,

• 8:11Speaker 05

  he will be upset with you at some point.

• 8:13Speaker 02

  I think that's fair, we have that kind of relationship.

• 8:15Speaker 05

  I'm excited for that.

• 8:17Speaker 02

  Uh huh. And there's a little bit of a withdrawal, I think, for Tony, because usually when we have these big meetings here in town, they make us room together. So usually me and Tony share one twin bed. And this time, we got our own separate rooms and king beds. So we have not been as close as we usually are. I'm glad to be back here with you, Tony.

• 8:35Speaker 09

  I know, it's been a nightmare at night, because I've had to just build a little Mark Kenyon out of pillows, and draw a little mustache on it, but it's not the same snuggling level. It's just different.

• 8:45Speaker 08

  I can show you some websites for that, Tony.

• 8:46Speaker 02

  Just not quite the same. Anyways, maybe it's time to get to the show.

• 8:50Speaker 09

  I'd say it's time.

• 8:51Speaker 02

  I think it is. So, I think that's all the like, little bits and pieces we need to do. Can we just, can we just get to the drop, Phil?

• 9:00Speaker 08

  Oh, let's get to it.

• 9:02Speaker 02

  Can we just get to it?

• 9:05Speaker 10

  Look, I need to know what I stand to win. Everything. How's that?

• 9:11Speaker 03

  I just tend to win everything.

• 9:19Speaker 11

  Game on, suckers!

• 9:21Speaker 04

  Phil isn't used to someone asking him to play the drop. He's used to someone like demanding him.

• 9:26Speaker 02

  Ah, yeah.

• 9:27Speaker 04

  It's like the difference between asking a dog to sit versus telling a dog to sit. And Phil hadn't, he doesn't normally have someone.

• 9:34Speaker 06

  If I don't feel threatened, then what's the point?

• 9:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, way too polite. Sorry about that.

• 9:37Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's okay.

• 9:38Speaker 00

  So is it best to get, if we don't know, is it best to just leave this blank or guess?

• 9:43Speaker 02

  Go ahead and guess. There's no, you're not gonna lose points for anything. So, so give it a shot.

• 9:47Speaker 06

  And funny guesses are funny, but they don't get you extra points.

• 9:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, and also like feel free to like yak it up. Talk with us, make some noise, try to distract other people. Have fun with it.

• 9:59Speaker 04

  So when you competition coon hunt, you're, you're in this game that has a bunch of rules. That's very different than if you actually went coon hunting with somebody. And so you might lose a competition coon hunt by the rules, but everybody kinda knows who won.

• 10:14Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 10:15Speaker 04

  You know what I mean? You kinda like, I've been in many hunts where I was like, everybody in this truck knows my dog was the best. But you may have beat me. That's the way I feel about trivia.

• 10:24Speaker 02

  I like that.

• 10:25Speaker 04

  So, a good, a good answer is sometimes better than a right answer.

• 10:28Speaker 02

  Yeah. I wanna know what dog that was.

• 10:34Speaker 02

  Anyways. Go ahead, Mark. We will be easing you, we're gonna ease you two into it as we do every show because the first question is multiple choice.

• 10:42Speaker 11

  Okay.

• 10:43Speaker 02

  Alright, so question number one. The topic is hunting.

• 10:47Speaker 02

  Let me see the question of our, alright, here we go. In the 2001 cult classic hunting themed film, Eskenaba in the Moonlight, what was the name of the character whose Chevy took a shit on the side of M35? Is it A, Bobby Goulet from Grand Marais? Is it B, Jimmer Nagamini from Menominee? Is it C, Remnar Floret from Marquette? Or is it D, Ruben Shabagan from Montanagan? Was any of that in English?

• 11:21Speaker 02

  It's all in Michigandees. Eskenaba in the Moonlight, it is a terrific film. I can't wait to ask you all about if you've seen it or not.

• 11:30Speaker 06

  Terrific is a stretch, Mark.

• 11:31Speaker 02

  Well, it's all in the eye of the beholder, my friend.

• 11:33Speaker 05

  We reviewed it for the Meat Eater Movie Club on Meat Eater Radio.

• 11:36Speaker 02

  I knew we talked about it at some point. So we'll see if any of you guys are up on this one. How many of you have seen this movie, Razor Hand?

• 11:46Speaker 02

  Oh, wow. Oh, there we go, two. All right, how many of you have heard of Eskenaba in the Moonlight? Okay.

• 11:52Speaker 00

  This was the year you were born, right?

• 11:55Speaker 06

  You know, I had a real roundabout way of finding out about Eskenaba in the Moonlight, especially being from Michigan.

• 12:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:02Speaker 06

  I'm a young hunting guide in Colorado at this point, and I've been at it maybe three years. Because I've guided these dudes from Missouri for two years already. Like, the third year they come back, and I kind of guide like a big group.

• 12:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:16Speaker 06

  It's like, one guide, six or seven guys, and I would just play some all across the countryside. And they come back the third year, and they are fired up. They're like, "Yanni, we found this movie from the state that you're from." And it is awesome. And like, it might have been like their first sort of like exposure to that, you know, north, northern Midwest culture.

• 12:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:41Speaker 06

  And, um, yeah, that's how I found out about Eskenaba in the Moonlight.

• 12:44Speaker 02

  It's a, it's a cultural phenomenon, I would say. Uh, I'll read the question again for those of you listening. In the 2001 cult classic hunting-themed film, Eskenaba in the Moonlight, what was the name of the character whose Chevy took a shit on the side of M35? It's M35, but we say it 35.

• 13:06Speaker 06

  Spencer, you feel pretty good about this one?

• 13:08Speaker 05

  I think I've got this one. Uh, my top takeaway after we watched this movie was that I would prefer to watch it as like live theater. To which I found out.

• 13:15Speaker 02

  They did.

• 13:16Speaker 05

  It was wrote, I think it was written, to be live theater, and it was performed often in Michigan.

• 13:20Speaker 02

  Yes, at the Purple Rose.

• 13:22Speaker 05

  Have you seen it?

• 13:23Speaker 02

  Chelsea, Michigan. I've not seen it live, no.

• 13:25Speaker 06

  Oh, we should make a little Meat Eater trip to go see that.

• 13:28Speaker 02

  It'd be terrific.

• 13:29Speaker 05

  And cast Phil in it.

• 13:30Speaker 02

  Yeah. I, I, well, I'll save it for after the question.

• 13:32Speaker 05

  Okay. Phil, how's your Michigan accent?

• 13:34Speaker 08

  Uh, I haven't done a lot of reps with it, but I'll, I'll get cracking on it.

• 13:38Speaker 05

  Okay, good.

• 13:38Speaker 08

  Soon, yeah.

• 13:38Speaker 02

  Are we good? Do we have answers?

• 13:40Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 13:40Speaker 02

  Everybody in? All right, let's reveal the answer.

• 13:45Speaker 02

  Heather says, "A, Bobby Goulet from Grand Marais." Bear says, "Bobby Goulet." Tony says, "Remnar." Spencer says, "Jimmer Nagamony." Maggie says, "Jimmer Nagamony." Clay says, "Jimmer Nagamony." Yanni says, "Jimmer Nagamony." Brent says, "Jimmer Nagamony." And the correct answer is... Jimmer Nagamony. Well done.

• 14:07Speaker 11

  That's a good guess.

• 14:08Speaker 02

  My muculus. Yeah, you guys did well. Ah, "Eskenob in the Moonlight is a bizarre film from my home state of Michigan. Takes place up in the UP where things are a little bit different. It is starring Jeff Daniels, the famed actor from Dumb and Dumber and many other things. Uh, it tells the story of the buckless yuper. So this guy named Ruben Sode goes up to his family deer camp and has to kind of face down the fears of becoming the oldest member of his family to have never killed a buck. Wow. And so it's this tremendous story of a, a true Michigan deer camp. And, uh, hilarious family dynamics.

• 14:51Speaker 02

  The whole UP culture thing going on and then some very bizarre off the wall things come in maybe in the second half of the, of the movie.

• 14:58Speaker 05

  And Mark Kenyon's favorite movie, right?

• 15:00Speaker 02

  It's up there. As far as, I mean, it's...

• 15:02Speaker 05

  You watch it on annual, on an annual basis?

• 15:04Speaker 02

  What's this movie rated? Uh, it's probably PG-13. Okay. Uh, I would not let my kids watch it. Borderline, Mark. Borderline. Yeah, sorry. You could watch it, Clay.

• 15:14Speaker 05

  You could watch it with Bear.

• 15:16Speaker 02

  Yes. Yes, you could.

• 15:18Speaker 06

  Uh, I'm gonna add it to my list and make my kids watch it this weekend.

• 15:23Speaker 02

  And like, to be clear, the first... The first, uh, the first third to half of it is very funny. If you get like northern Michigan, northern Wisconsin, northern Minnesota, like deer culture. The second half is like, "What happened here?" So, be warned. Okay, are we ready for the second question? This is a little bit tougher.

• 15:45Speaker 02

  Question two, Phil.

• 15:46Speaker 06

  We already watched that.

• 15:47Speaker 02

  All right. The topic is biology. What is the name of the famous biologist and author who's most widely credited with popularizing the term biodiversity? And is it okay to give a clue? Cause I was thinking maybe we need to give a clue.

• 16:04Speaker 05

  Uh, I mean, if, if the whole room would agree on it, but I don't think Clay Newcomb would.

• 16:08Speaker 02

  No. No?

• 16:11Speaker 02

  Cause Randall said that maybe I should give a clue on this one.

• 16:14Speaker 06

  If Randall, the anti clue guy, says that you should, then I think you should.

• 16:19Speaker 02

  I'm gonna let Phil decide. Phil clue or no clue?

• 16:22Speaker 08

  Well, how many, how many people feel confident in this room that they have the correct answer? I'd say that if two people feel confident, then I don't think a clue is warranted.

• 16:30Speaker 02

  Alright.

• 16:31Speaker 06

  Well, there's only one.

• 16:32Speaker 02

  No, both Brent and Clay raised their hand. I thought Tony would have this one, maybe.

• 16:37Speaker 04

  Brent don't know it.

• 16:39Speaker 02

  I'll read the question one more time. What is the name of the famous biologist and author who is most widely credited with popularizing the term biodiversity? I'm gonna give a little clue. I'm gonna give a half clue. If you were to look at this dude's initials, E is one of the initials.

• 16:56Speaker 11

  I got it.

• 17:00Speaker 11

  I was, I was questioning myself.

• 17:02Speaker 04

  That's like half the answer, Mark.

• 17:03Speaker 11

  That is.

• 17:05Speaker 04

  I think Clay should get a secret tip from Mark on whichever question I needed for this.

• 17:12Speaker 05

  Good news for you, Clay, is I don't think it helped anyone else. Maggie already had that answer.

• 17:16Speaker 02

  Yeah. Oh, she did?

• 17:17Speaker 11

  Yeah.

• 17:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:19Speaker 02

  Alright. Randall told me that my questions were tough, so I want to try to make sure that we don't get too low of a score here or there. How we doing? Questions in or answers in?

• 17:28Speaker 03

  No.

• 17:29Speaker 02

  One more time, then the question is, what is the name of the famous biologist and author who is most widely credited with popularizing the term biodiversity?

• 17:43Speaker 02

  How many of you could give me a definition of biodiversity off the top of your head?

• 17:49Speaker 02

  I'm ready. Clay Newcomb.

• 17:50Speaker 06

  I can give you like a paragraph of an idea of what it is.

• 17:53Speaker 02

  That's pretty good.

• 17:54Speaker 11

  I don't think I could give a very succinct definition.

• 17:57Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 17:57Speaker 05

  The variety of flora and fauna in a given area.

• 18:01Speaker 02

  That's pretty good.

• 18:01Speaker 11

  That's solid.

• 18:03Speaker 02

  Alright, we good? Answers in?

• 18:04Speaker 06

  I'm going with it.

• 18:05Speaker 02

  Are we ready? Let's see what you got.

• 18:08Speaker 00

  When in doubt.

• 18:11Speaker 02

  Heather thought it was Steven Rinella. Fair went with Aldo Leopold. Tony went with Darwin. Spencer went with Darlin. Maggie went with E.O. Wilson. Clay went with E.O. Wilson. Yanni said Darwin. Brent said Ernest Hemingway. No, Wilson. I knew him by Ernest. His name's Edward.

• 18:34Speaker 04

  Can I say something about E.O. Wilson?

• 18:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, the correct answer is E.O. Wilson.

• 18:38Speaker 04

  So, so he wrote a book called Biofilia.

• 18:40Speaker 02

  He sure did.

• 18:41Speaker 04

  Which Mark, Mark would know this, but Biofilia, it's an interesting idea because we're the only species on Earth that is super interested in other species. So Biofilia means love of life.

• 18:56Speaker 02

  As far as we know.

• 18:57Speaker 04

  And it's, and it's actually what kind of makes us human is our dramatic interest in all these other species.

• 19:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:06Speaker 04

  And I find it interesting because in the Book of Genesis, the first, the first job that man had was to name and, you know, care for animals. So, so it's this core fundamental definer of humanity is Biofilia.

• 19:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, and so the theory of Biofilia explores kind of the evolutionary history of why we have that deep connection to nature and to wildlife. It's very interesting to consider and very interesting angle there with the Genesis story. That makes a lot of sense.

• 19:37Speaker 11

  Well, and E.O. Wilson is very well known for like studying ants.

• 19:41Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 19:41Speaker 11

  Which is so cool.

• 19:42Speaker 02

  That was his first gig.

• 19:43Speaker 11

  He's written in like such, such like small degree, like, oh, man.

• 19:50Speaker 02

  He's gone, he's gone from the very tiniest to the very large.

• 19:53Speaker 11

  He has, and it's like, it's not just loving like, you know, the animals we love to hunt or like the big places. It's looking at like how these tiny little animals function. And it's just mind blowing.

• 20:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, so let me, let me tell you a little more.

• 20:06Speaker 11

  Highly, highly recommend reading E.O. Wilson.

• 20:08Speaker 02

  According to the Nat National Museum of Natural History, biodiversity is the extraordinary variety of life on Earth from genes and species to ecosystems and the valuable functions they perform. E.O. Wilson explained it as the very stuff of life. That said, according to many scientists and researchers, including E.O. Wilson, we are living amidst a biodiversity crisis with biodiversity and species prevalence plummeting across many parts of the country. E.O. Wilson has written about this extensively. In addition to being an author, he was a professor at Harvard. He is widely considered one of the greatest natural scientists of all time. He won a Pulitzer Prize, several actually, I think.

• 20:52Speaker 02

  And as you mentioned, he wrote the book Biophylia. He wrote the book The Diversity of Life and Half Earth, which explored a very kind of moonshot solution to the biodiversity crisis, of somehow, to some degree, setting aside half of Earth to the conservation of of nature. Hmm. Pretty far out idea, probably not really realistic, but it has led to a more realistic goal, which many are proposing and many countries are now pursuing now, which is the 30 by 30 initiative. So, many countries are now trying to conserve 30% of their land by 2030. And that's thanks to E.O. Wilson.

• 21:32Speaker 06

  How close is the United States?

• 21:34Speaker 02

  Not very close.

• 21:36Speaker 06

  You mean, you know, roughly?

• 21:37Speaker 02

  I feel like it was like 14%. That's that could be wrong, but I feel like it was somewhere in the teens. And there's a lot of questions around. Couple of years ago, there was a bunch of work being done on this and we started setting aside something that was like the 30 by 30 atlas or something, the conservation atlas and the big project being done about three years ago was trying to start cataloging exactly how we would define these lands that were technically conserved for the 30 by 30 initiative, and then how far, what long we were. And I feel like I remember it was somewhere in the teens, but there's a lot of question around, is it actually land versus marine environments, et cetera? Does it have to be public land versus maybe like private lands with a conservation easement? A lot of questions about. Question three, we ready? Ready.

• 22:22Speaker 02

  Question three, the topic is fishing. What popular game fish is known to the scientific community by way of its Latin name as Megalops atlanticus? What is wrong with you?

• 22:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:34Speaker 02

  All right, what popular game fish?

• 22:37Speaker 06

  So, so we're looking for the common name?

• 22:39Speaker 02

  Yes. What's the common name of the fish who has the Latin name Megalops atlanticus?

• 22:50Speaker 02

  Megalops atlanticus. Is anyone confident on this one? Tony?

• 22:54Speaker 06

  Yes, sir.

• 22:55Speaker 02

  I... Maybe? Yanni's got it?

• 22:57Speaker 04

  I feel like I've got a reasonable guess.

• 22:59Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 23:02Speaker 02

  I don't want to give any clues. I want to talk about it, but I don't want to give clues. Definitely give a clue. What are these fish's initials?

• 23:11Speaker 02

  No initial guesses or no initial clues on that one. Sport fish. Yeah, it is. It is a game fish, yeah. You have to be, yeah, you have to be specific. This isn't something you can give like a generic. So if the answer was...

• 23:25Speaker 06

  Big fish won't work.

• 23:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. If it was deer, you'd need to see either mule deer or white. That's correct. That's correct. You could, there's clues in the name.

• 23:40Speaker 02

  This is such a, this is such a Mark Kenyon question. It absolutely is. This is just a window into your soul, buddy. This whole show is exactly that, Tony.

• 23:51Speaker 06

  I asked a question, I believe, in a previous episode that had the same answer.

• 23:56Speaker 02

  Did you? Interesting.

• 23:59Speaker 04

  Man, the Atlantic is what's throwing me off.

• 24:01Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm. Couple more seconds and I want you guys to have your answers in, please.

• 24:06Speaker 04

  Did you write something there?

• 24:09Speaker 04

  Double sided.

• 24:10Speaker 02

  Heather, throw, throw something down there. There's a lot of fish. There's a lot of fish in your world. Pick a fish. Any fish. Pick a fish.

• 24:21Speaker 02

  Aw, okay. All right. Answers in. Are we good?

• 24:24Speaker 11

  No.

• 24:26Speaker 02

  Oh, Maggie's still?

• 24:28Speaker 11

  No, I know that's not it.

• 24:30Speaker 02

  Aw, come on. Ten, nine... We're getting a real clock. Eight.

• 24:35Speaker 11

  Fine, fine. This is not the answer.

• 24:37Speaker 02

  All right, let's see your answers. Heather has nothing. Bear says largemouth bass. Tony says king salmon. Spencer, Atlantic tuna. Maggie, striped bass. Clay, barracuda. Yanni says tarpon. Brent says blue whale. The correct answer is? Tarpon.

• 24:55Speaker 02

  Megalops atlanticus is a tarpon. Tarpon are one of the absolute coolest fish in the world. I've recently become obsessed with them. I caught my first adult tarpon this spring. About 75 pounds, maybe four or five feet long. Caught on a fly. Absolutely blew my mind. They can grow up to eight feet long. They can weigh well over 200 pounds. They can live 50, 60, 70 years or older. They are by far, I think, pretty widely accepted as the most exciting fish to chase on a fly. As far as they feed on the flats, so they feed in shallow water. They'll chase a fly. Just like a bonefish or, you know, a big brown trout or something.

• 25:37Speaker 02

  But then imagine a six foot long fish that weighs 150 pounds. Exploding out of the air and, and jumping three, four, or five feet in the air. And these fights with these fish can last hours. I only had to fight my fish for something like 25 minutes, but I know people who've had a fish on the line for two hours, four hours, 12 hours. It is mind blowing. I've never experienced anything like it. I remember when that fish came tight, when I, when I saw this fish coming at the fly, I stripped set. The only way I can describe that feeling, and I think this is something a lot of people can relate to. It's like if you were holding a very large dog on a leash and it sees a squirrel. And that moment when the dog, you're not expecting it, but that dog explodes.

• 26:20Speaker 02

  And chasing that squirrel and you're holding the leash on the other side. And all of a sudden that was what you felt. This explosion at the end of the line is that dog tries to chase the squirrel. That's kind of what that one second moment felt like when it came tight. And, and then from there it was just insane. So, tarpon.

• 26:38Speaker 11

  They look like dragons.

• 26:40Speaker 09

  Are all of these questions designed so you can just brag to the room?

• 26:43Speaker 02

  All of these questions are designed so I can talk about stuff I like.

• 26:48Speaker 04

  That was a great storyline. You did a great job of transferring the passion and energy that.

• 26:52Speaker 02

  But?

• 26:53Speaker 04

  Changed this, changed this story to. A dog going after a bear.

• 26:58Speaker 02

  Ah.

• 26:59Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. Everyone knows what that feels like.

• 27:00Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 27:02Speaker 04

  Very relatable. Exciting. You know, like every part of your story just needs to be as flashy as possible.

• 27:06Speaker 02

  I get that. Flashy mullets.

• 27:07Speaker 04

  Cause I knew that a squirrel dog would be a little bitty dog.

• 27:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was thinking more like a-

• 27:11Speaker 04

  And hit the end of that leash and it'd feel like you had a brim on it.

• 27:14Speaker 02

  Yeah. In my mind, I was imagining like a Great Dane or Rottweiler.

• 27:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, like in a city park, too.

• 27:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 27:20Speaker 04

  Clearly, this rider doesn't know what he's, what he's talking about.

• 27:24Speaker 02

  Cause the thing is, like with every other kind of fishing, usually when you feel the take of a fish, there's usually like a bend in the rod, right? Your rod's like this and you feel like the tunk, tunk, and you set the hook or something like that. But in this case, there was no rod or reel intermediary. The rod's pointing straight at the fish and the line is connected straight from my hand to the fish. So there was, there was nothing else in the way. It was simply my hand on the line and this 75 pound fish on the other, straight connection. What's he doing with his coffee?

• 27:52Speaker 03

  I'm trying to kill myself.

• 27:56Speaker 02

  Alright, we got some folks who don't like Atlantic charping. We can move to question number four.

• 28:03Speaker 03

  I'm sorry, bro.

• 28:04Speaker 02

  That's alright, friend. Question number four.

• 28:06Speaker 04

  Brett just put fake poison in his coffee for those who are listening. Hey Brett, can we make this a murder-suicide here, buddy?

• 28:13Speaker 03

  You wanna double?

• 28:14Speaker 02

  The topic is-

• 28:15Speaker 06

  Jordan will be able to do a story about it.

• 28:17Speaker 02

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• 30:49Speaker 02

  Cooking question number four. What's the name of the popular meat pie like dish?

• 30:53Speaker 00

  Oh, man.

• 30:54Speaker 02

  That's uniquely popular in both the U.P. of Michigan and Butte, Montana? Oh, my gosh. What is the name of the popular meat pie like dish? That is uniquely popular in both Michigan's Upper Peninsula and Butte, Montana?

• 31:12Speaker 05

  Who makes them better, Yanni?

• 31:13Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 31:14Speaker 05

  Michigan or Montana?

• 31:15Speaker 06

  I don't think I've had one in Montana.

• 31:18Speaker 02

  Have you, Spencer?

• 31:19Speaker 05

  Uh, I've had one in Butte. I've not had one in Michigan, though.

• 31:24Speaker 02

  They're dang good in Michigan.

• 31:26Speaker 05

  Butte claims to have like more Irish, like a higher density of Irish people than Ireland. Something like that. They make some outlandish claims about

• 31:36Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 31:37Speaker 05

  how Irish they are.

• 31:39Speaker 02

  A lot of miners come over to this state, huh?

• 31:41Speaker 05

  Yeah. Oh, that's gonna be in the flavor text, I bet.

• 31:44Speaker 02

  Hmm, just might be.

• 31:46Speaker 04

  Now, are there, are there two common names for this?

• 31:49Speaker 02

  I mean, there could be like the plural and the singular.

• 31:52Speaker 05

  It would have to satisfy that it's the popular dish in Michigan and Butte.

• 31:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:58Speaker 05

  To which I think there's only one answer.

• 31:59Speaker 02

  There is only one answer. I got you. But I would accept the singular or plural answer.

• 32:06Speaker 02

  Yanni, you have it, don't you? Yeah. Yeah. How are we? Are we good?

• 32:11Speaker 04

  Do you think I got it, Yanni?

• 32:11Speaker 02

  I don't think you have it.

• 32:12Speaker 00

  I can't, do I have to do something?

• 32:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, no more blanks, Heather. You gotta put a food dish on. I'll say I'm not changing if you go.

• 32:19Speaker 05

  Win, win the game against Clay that Clay plays, where it's like not actually going for score. That's what you're competing for.

• 32:25Speaker 02

  Just trying to make us laugh.

• 32:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, come on, come on. You just like give us, show us.

• 32:28Speaker 00

  I'm not that funny. Not off the cuff.

• 32:31Speaker 02

  Oh, that's probably not true. You were the one who inspired this very funny, uh, video idea with Brent calling folks up in the middle of the night when they're trying to fall asleep.

• 32:43Speaker 00

  That's why I wasn't in it. I'm the producer.

• 32:45Speaker 02

  Hmm, you're behind the scenes.

• 32:47Speaker 00

  Find the talent.

• 32:48Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 32:49Speaker 00

  The idea.

• 32:49Speaker 02

  Fair enough. All right. Heather, you in?

• 32:53Speaker 00

  I don't know how to spell it, but I'm guessing it's wrong, but it's a meat pie dish from the Middle East. My mom's Middle Eastern and it's called threeha, I think is how you say it's so good. That's my favorite. It's meat, dough, pine nuts. Often made with clam. Is it time?

• 33:14Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, it's time. Let's see your answers. Heather said shvia.

• 33:18Speaker 00

  I feel like he's right.

• 33:18Speaker 02

  Bear said shepherd's pie, Tony, pasty, Spencer, pasty, Maggie, pasty, Clay, mince meat pie, Yanni, pasty, Brent, pierogi. The correct answer is pasty. A pasty is a

• 33:32Speaker 07

  Never heard that word in my life.

• 33:33Speaker 02

  No? It's a savory, it's a savory handheld meat pie like dish. Imagine like a grown up Hot Pocket.

• 33:40Speaker 00

  It is.

• 33:40Speaker 02

  According, yeah, pasty. According to the Upper Peninsula Travel and Recreation Association, pasties were the original fast food of copper miners and lumberjacks. Brought here from the mining region of Cornwall, England. UP, which is Upper Peninsula, UP wives would fill the rolled out dough with leftover beef, potato, onion, and rutabaga. Fold the pastry in half, seal the edges and bake. Legend says the miners would take these golden pastries into the mines and reheat them on a shovel over their lantern candles. Pretty cool, huh?

• 34:15Speaker 04

  I like that.

• 34:16Speaker 05

  That was really cool, Mark.

• 34:18Speaker 06

  We recently had a similar question about a similar product called a kolache.

• 34:24Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 34:25Speaker 06

  That you can find in Texas.

• 34:28Speaker 02

  Oh, you can find those all over the South. So how many of you have had a pasty? You, three of you? They're good. They're all over the UP. Um, do they have them up in like Northern Wisconsin at all?

• 34:39Speaker 06

  Haven't seen them. I don't go to Northern Wisconsin.

• 34:42Speaker 02

  Fair enough. I do. I've never seen one. They're worth a try for anyone who's not had them. Very tasty. You can get kind of different versions of them.

• 34:51Speaker 05

  Are they a deer camp staple or not?

• 34:53Speaker 02

  Not for my deer camp, but we're below the bridge. So maybe up in the UP. So there's the, you know, the Upper Peninsula of Michigan is separated from the Lower Peninsula by the Mackinac Bridge, which is this very, very long bridge across the Great Lakes there. And the Uppers would like to say that people like me are trolls because we live under the bridge. And so we technically can't claim the, uh, the pasty. That's a UP thing. But when I'm here in Montana, I can claim.

• 35:20Speaker 03

  How do they say it? How do they say it up there?

• 35:22Speaker 02

  Pasty, or pasties.

• 35:24Speaker 03

  Past, they don't say like pasty?

• 35:26Speaker 02

  No, well, I don't know.

• 35:28Speaker 03

  They talk funny up there.

• 35:29Speaker 02

  They've got the, their UP accent, but I guess it'd be pasty.

• 35:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, that sounds good.

• 35:34Speaker 02

  You want a pasty?

• 35:36Speaker 05

  Phil's been working on his accent over there.

• 35:38Speaker 02

  Sorry. I hate you Spencer.

• 35:41Speaker 05

  He might even debut it on this episode, he said.

• 35:45Speaker 02

  Okay, let's move along. Question number five. The topic is public lands. What public land agency is responsible for managing our nation's 58.5 million acres of inventoried roadless areas?

• 36:02Speaker 02

  What public land agency is responsible for managing our nation's 58.5 million acres of inventoried roadless areas?

• 36:19Speaker 02

  Yanni, you looked surprisingly slow on that one. I thought you were gonna be right away.

• 36:24Speaker 06

  I just wanted to make sure I was understanding the question correctly, but I'm pretty confident in my answer.

• 36:30Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 36:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think you'll get it.

• 36:36Speaker 02

  Anybody else feeling very confident?

• 36:38Speaker 05

  Maggie was quick.

• 36:41Speaker 02

  Maggie being involved in the website, I think has a strong chance of this, because I, I would think that we've written about this.

• 36:49Speaker 11

  No, I'm questioning myself. I was like, is this a trick?

• 36:55Speaker 06

  Maggie, did you write the little editorial that prefaced the three poaching articles? Was that you that decided to put in that little editorial up top?

• 37:10Speaker 02

  Must not be.

• 37:11Speaker 06

  In the email that came out?

• 37:13Speaker 11

  Oh, that was me and Jordan. That was a...

• 37:15Speaker 06

  Yeah, that was good. I liked that.

• 37:17Speaker 11

  Don't be a moron.

• 37:17Speaker 06

  Yeah, that was good. I appreciate that.

• 37:20Speaker 02

  Alright, so this is a, this is an agency that manages some segment of our public lands. And they are responsible for inventoried roadless areas.

• 37:33Speaker 02

  That is the key. Who has answers?

• 37:38Speaker 02

  I have a wrong one. I'll read the question one more time and then we're gonna wrap it up. What public land agency is responsible for managing our nation's 58.5 million acres of inventoried, roadless areas? Let's get those answers in here. Heather?

• 38:01Speaker 02

  Hmm, alright.

• 38:05Speaker 02

  Heather says the USDA, which is the Department of Agriculture, which does manage the US Forest Service. Bear says BLM, Bureau of Land Management. Tony says National Forest Service. Spencer, National Forest. Maggie, National Forest. Clay, US Forest. Yanni, US Forest. Brent, US Forest. The correct answer is the US Forest Service. Which I think that maybe we should give to Heather because it does fall underneath the USDA. So I would be willing to give you that one. The correct answer is the US Forest Service. In 2001, the US Forest Service announced the Roadless Rule, which protected the US Forest Service's remaining 58.5 million acres of roadless lands in a nearly undeveloped state.

• 38:47Speaker 02

  According to Trout Unlimited, the Roadless Rule was originally created in response to the growing backlog of costs associated with maintaining the more than 386,000 miles of roads spanning the national forest system. Nearly 400,000 miles of roads across the US Forest System. For more than 20 years, the Roadless Rule has conserved backcountry public lands and waters while providing flexibility for the Forest Service to steward these high-value landscapes through active management that improves forest health and allows for natural resource development. These multiple-use areas sustain native trout and salmon, support wildlife with unfragmented corridors, and offer irreplaceable backcountry hunting and angling experiences.

• 39:33Speaker 02

  But earlier this summer, Secretary of Agriculture Brooke Rollins announced her department's intentions to rescind the roadless rule and roll back those protections for our 58.5 million acres of our last remaining roadless areas in the nation. If you want to learn more about that and the implications for hunters and anglers and wildlife, we just dropped today an episode of the Wired to Hunt podcast on this very topic with the CEO and President of Trout Unlimited. His name is Chris Wood, and he worked at the U.S. Forest Service in 2001, in the late 90s, and actually was very deeply involved in writing the roadless rule and coming up with this whole thing. So it's a very interesting conversation about how this all came to be, why it came to be, what it does for wildlife and hunters

• 40:18Speaker 02

  and anglers, and what it would mean if this actually gets removed.

• 40:22Speaker 06

  Heather, you've got a bunch of country in your neck of the woods, right, that's protected by this rule?

• 40:26Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm. It's a big deer in the Tongass.

• 40:28Speaker 06

  How's this gonna affect you?

• 40:30Speaker 00

  Gotta protect the roadless rule.

• 40:32Speaker 06

  You like the roadless rule?

• 40:34Speaker 00

  We gotta... Well, I have a lot of opinions about this whole topic, more than, more time than we want to spend here talking about it, but yeah, we gotta protect our land.

• 40:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. So yeah, check it out.

• 40:49Speaker 05

  2001, it's in its infancy. I feel like most big conservation, meaningful bills and acts are 50, 100 years old.

• 40:56Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 40:57Speaker 05

  I didn't know that was so modern.

• 40:59Speaker 02

  Yep, 20, 24 years old.

• 41:01Speaker 05

  Just like Mark.

• 41:03Speaker 06

  Just like Mark.

• 41:04Speaker 02

  I never thought about that. All right, Phil, I believe it's time for a scoreboard update. Do you have one of those for me?

• 41:12Speaker 08

  It is indeed. And last place, spent too much time moseying, I suppose, Bear Newcomb has zero points. Coming up next is Heather Douville with one. Tony Peterson and Brent Reeves have two points. Spencer Neuharth and Clay Newcomb have three, and tied up in first place are Yanis Poutelis and Maggie Hudlow with four points.

• 41:31Speaker 02

  Oh, Maggie, could be your day, Megs.

• 41:33Speaker 11

  I've been waiting.

• 41:35Speaker 02

  This is your 100-miler right here. So yesterday, we were walking out of the hotel, and Tony says to me, "Man, nobody understands the amount of micro-stress that a game of..." Trivia costs you, especially, especially if you start badly. Tony, how much micro stress are you experiencing right now?

• 41:51Speaker 09

  We talked about tarpin this morning and I was like, there's no way Kenyon's gonna be on the nose.

• 41:56Speaker 02

  I thought for sure you would jump on it, so easy.

• 41:59Speaker 09

  The first thing that popped in my head, I was like, this is tarpin. I'm like, there's no way he's gonna do that. So I out-thought myself on that one.

• 42:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was, I was trying to kind of throw a bone to folks, like, I've been talking about it.

• 42:10Speaker 09

  Right, no, I know.

• 42:12Speaker 02

  Alright, well, hey, there's time. Question number six, here's one you gotta get, Tony. The topic is hunting.

• 42:19Speaker 02

  What was the name of the deer call introduced in the early 2000s? That attempted to simulate the sound of deer feeding on hard mast? To calm other nearby wildlife?

• 42:33Speaker 02

  What was the name?

• 42:34Speaker 06

  Oh, look, he did know it.

• 42:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:36Speaker 06

  Son of a gun.

• 42:37Speaker 02

  What was the name of the deer call? From the early 2000s? That simulates the sound of feeding deer?

• 42:46Speaker 02

  Supposed to calm wildlife around you.

• 42:48Speaker 04

  Did you own one of these?

• 42:50Speaker 02

  I never owned one of these, but we like to joke about it a lot.

• 42:53Speaker 09

  Right.

• 42:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's like the banjo minnow of whitetail hunters.

• 42:57Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 42:57Speaker 04

  Which I, I did own a banjo minnow.

• 42:59Speaker 06

  I crushed some fish on the old banjo.

• 43:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 43:01Speaker 02

  I think a lot of people did.

• 43:02Speaker 09

  I did too.

• 43:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:04Speaker 04

  We used to occasionally, the way we hunted on public land when I was growing up, you would, the, the, the limiting factor was white oak acorns. And so you'd be hunting in a tree that was dropping white oak acorns and there might not be a tree anywhere near. It'd be like, cause there was a lot of cut over pine plantations with these riparian zones that had oaks.

• 43:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:25Speaker 04

  And so you could carry, carry some acorns in your pocket and drop them out of the tree.

• 43:31Speaker 02

  Interesting idea.

• 43:32Speaker 04

  They'd thunk on the ground. Cause you could hear them falling, you know?

• 43:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:36Speaker 06

  I just heard another, uh, a guy, some of the, that was on the Southern Outdoorsman podcast and he was talking about doing that. Going up the tree with a couple of pockets full and every now and then dropping a few.

• 43:48Speaker 04

  Those deer are listening.

• 43:48Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah.

• 43:49Speaker 04

  And they're like, acorns falling.

• 43:51Speaker 02

  Uh, so a funny story from, uh, Bill Winkie. One of his little tips for when you are like in a bedding area, hunting, deep in there. And it's like late morning and for some reason you want to get out, you don't want to stay in there all morning. Which I, in this case, like if I was gonna hunt a bedding area, I'd be there all day. But he said if you wanted to get out, he would, he would collect acorns on the ground before I went up and he'd carry a slingshot with him. And so when it was like 11 o'clock and you want to get out there, if he saw deer bedded somewhere nearby, he would shoot them with acorns with a slingshot until they'd run off and then he'd walk out.

• 44:22Speaker 09

  Wow. So the category that this call is in, I hunted down in Texas one time and one of the guides was telling me about an electronic call that you could buy that you could hit a button and it sounded like a feeder going off.

• 44:36Speaker 02

  Ah.

• 44:37Speaker 09

  And he said, he said they drop guys off and pick them up at the end of a three, four hours sitting there, batteries would be dead. Cause those dudes are just letting her rip.

• 44:47Speaker 02

  That's good. Oh, man. Okay. Do we have, is everybody good? Yep. All right. Let's, uh, let's see the answers, please. Heather said rattle hands, bear, acorn muncher.

• 45:00Speaker 04

  Acorn muncher pro.

• 45:02Speaker 02

  Acorn muncher pro.

• 45:03Speaker 04

  That's the kind of answer that gets you the W out.

• 45:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, Tony, acorn cruncher. Spencer, acorn cruncher. Maggie, acorn muncher.

• 45:11Speaker 11

  I'm just pulling that out of my ass.

• 45:15Speaker 02

  The cruncher. Yana said the muncher. Friends said the browse chow or the let's eat bleep. Great ideas. Uh, the correct answer is acorn cruncher or cruncher.

• 45:27Speaker 00

  I think Maggie.

• 45:28Speaker 11

  Wait, muncher or cruncher?

• 45:30Speaker 02

  No, no, not muncher. It's either cruncher or it's, it's popularly known as the acorn cruncher, but technically it was just called the cruncher. So either one's okay by me.

• 45:39Speaker 11

  This was so close for pulling an answer out of my ass.

• 45:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:43Speaker 11

  Give it, give it to Maggie.

• 45:44Speaker 02

  I'm giving you, uh, giving you brownie points for that. According to a 2009 press release on the Outdoor Wire, "The cruncher is a compact handheld call that simulates the sound of deer feeding on acorns. This natural sound relaxes deer in the immediate vicinity of your stand. It can also call in other deer that think there's food available. It calms spooked deer, stimulates deer to feed, and stops deer in a relaxed manner. Just like imitating a deer's grunt or recreating the rattling of antlers, the sound of a whitetail feeding on acorns can cause a positive reaction." So they say. But, uh, you know, as we were talking earlier, it's widely panned. It's a joke.

• 46:24Speaker 02

  A lot of people kind of look at it as, uh, as being representative of like all the tchotchke gizmos that are marketed to hunters.

• 46:30Speaker 05

  No one does it like a whitetail hunter.

• 46:31Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 46:32Speaker 05

  I also love the, the ground grunter that would be in that category, which if you're not familiar, you're in a tree stand 20 feet in the air. The ground grunter is a long, plastic tube that runs to the base of the ground that you blow into a grunt call in your tree stand. And that sound travels all the way down and then comes out at what would be eye level for a deer. Because all the deer are on to you if they hear a grunt coming from 20 feet in the air. So that's why you want your ground grunter, uh, to produce that more realistic noise.

• 47:01Speaker 09

  After that failed, they called it the urination station.

• 47:06Speaker 04

  Have you ever, uh, have you seen the, the, the buck clicker? Uh, it's, it's a, so it's, it's the, basically supposedly there's a call that a buck will make where he makes an individual note of a grunt. And he clicks.

• 47:21Speaker 02

  Like the, the, the.

• 47:25Speaker 04

  That one?

• 47:25Speaker 09

  Like imagine sliding a guitar pick down a low E.

• 47:29Speaker 04

  It's a real, it's a, it's a real deal.

• 47:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:32Speaker 04

  There's a famous story in the Newcombe lore of the clicking buck that my dad had come in that he missed. And, and he said it was clicking. He says make it individual grunts, but there's a call that's on a wheel that has a little. You like roll it like the Wheel of Fortune and like.

• 47:51Speaker 02

  That's cool. I love hunting in a place where you can see mature bucks enough to actually hear these types of, you know, vocalizations. Like you just don't ever hear that in Michigan, but I've been in Iowa and heard so many cool things.

• 48:03Speaker 09

  Yeah, Kansas.

• 48:03Speaker 02

  Very fun. Yeah. All right. Question number seven. The topic is public lands.

• 48:11Speaker 02

  What is the largest national wildlife refuge in the United States? Very simple. What is the largest national wildlife refuge in the United States of America? It's a piece of public land. There's a bunch of critters out there.

• 48:31Speaker 02

  The first national wildlife refuge technically is created by Theodore Roosevelt. Back in the early 1900s, there was an island full of a bunch of birds down in Florida. And the, uh, the feather hunters, the folks that were killing birds to make pretty hats for ladies in the day. Were, uh, killing all the birds. And Mr. Teddy Roosevelt was not a fan of that, so he got ahold of his folks in the Department of the Interior and said, hey, is there anything keeping me away from declaring this as some kind of like refuge for wildlife? And his staff went, looked around and they said, well, I don't think there is anything keeping me from doing it. Uh, Teddy replied, well, then I so declare it. And that's how he created, I believe that was Pelican Island, I think was the first one.

• 49:14Speaker 02

  And, uh, many, many more have come since. I declare. Yeah, I so declare it. Mr. Teddy Roosevelt.

• 49:24Speaker 06

  That's a lot of power. We should let our current president know about that kind of power that you can yield when you're in the position. He might be, he might be interested in dropping a few more.

• 49:35Speaker 04

  Wielding some of that power.

• 49:36Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 49:36Speaker 02

  Well, no comment.

• 49:40Speaker 02

  They have the Antiquities Act today that Teddy Roosevelt uses well to create our national monuments. I don't think that, uh, folks in power these days like our national monuments as much as Mr. Roosevelt did.

• 49:55Speaker 02

  Anyone still thinking?

• 50:00Speaker 06

  How you feeling about this one, Maggie?

• 50:02Speaker 11

  I'm sure.

• 50:03Speaker 06

  Not too confident. I like it.

• 50:05Speaker 02

  Do we have answers in? Everybody have an answer?

• 50:07Speaker 11

  Losing in the second half.

• 50:09Speaker 02

  Can we see those answers, please? Heather.

• 50:12Speaker 06

  Oh, you got it.

• 50:14Speaker 02

  What I, shh, what I.

• 50:16Speaker 00

  What is now called the Tongus.

• 50:17Speaker 02

  Oh, the Tongus National Forest. Bear says the Arctic Wildlife Refuge. Tony said the Tongus, which is the national forest. Spencer says the Kootenay.

• 52:44Speaker 02

  All right. Teddy'd be proud. Yes, yes, he would. He's a big fan.

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• 55:49Speaker 02

  All right, question number eight. The topic is fishing. What is the name of the popular fly casting technique to increase the distance of your cast by utilizing two distinct poles of your fly line?

• 56:07Speaker 02

  Come on, Barry. You got this, Bear.

• 56:09Speaker 07

  I do it every single day.

• 56:10Speaker 02

  You're an aspiring fly angler. Yanni was a fly guy. He's got it. Tony's got it. Spencer is a, Spencer, Spencer's a great guy because he got into fly fishing when he moved to Montana and then very conveniently kinda got out of it enough because he got into it so much that he bought a set of rod tubes. So these are your fly rod holders that go on top of your truck. He got those a few years ago. And then he, I guess, got to the point where he wasn't using them enough and was also getting a rooftop tent. So he mentions to me, oh yeah, I'm trying to get rid of my rod tubes. Right at that time, I was thinking to myself, I need a good set of rod tubes to the top of my truck. So I got a sweet deal on some fly rod holders on top of my truck uh for Mr. Spencer Neuharth.

• 56:54Speaker 05

  It was the rooftop tent or the rod holders. One had to go and I picked the rooftop tent.

• 56:57Speaker 06

  I feel like I I taught this technique to Spencer once.

• 57:01Speaker 02

  Questions, did he listen? Hmm, I'm gonna read one more time. What's the name of the popular fly casting technique to increase the distance of your cast by utilizing two distinct pulls?

• 57:13Speaker 11

  You know, when you're talking about those micro stresses?

• 57:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, are you there right now?

• 57:17Speaker 11

  This is the point where my brain shuts down and trivia.

• 57:20Speaker 02

  You know this.

• 57:21Speaker 11

  I know this. I do this like every time I cast.

• 57:24Speaker 02

  You're gonna be like, no.

• 57:26Speaker 11

  Don't say it yet. Give me God.

• 57:30Speaker 02

  There's like a very huge clue in the, in the, in the, you know.

• 57:37Speaker 09

  I didn't know that I knew how to do this until I went fishing with Corey and then he commented on it.

• 57:42Speaker 02

  And you're just kinda doing it naturally?

• 57:44Speaker 09

  Yeah.

• 57:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:45Speaker 09

  Yeah.

• 57:45Speaker 02

  Um, so this is something that really helps. Like when you're a trout angler, it's not, you don't use it as much when you're fishing small creeks or anything like that. But if you get into big water, or especially if you start fishing lakes or saltwater situations, you really need distance. You need to be able to get that cast out there fast. And this is a way to kind of utilize the mechanics of your rod and momentum with your line to get that to really shoot out there. There's a lot of similarities between bow hunting and fly fishing, especially saltwater bow hunting or saltwater fly fishing. Yeah, there's a lot of crossover there. And so with this technique, you're like, you're shooting your line at a fish. Pretty cool. Do we have uh everybody in?

• 58:27Speaker 05

  Do you have this right, Clay?

• 58:29Speaker 11

  I hate this. I hate this game. Why do I keep playing this game?

• 58:34Speaker 02

  Maggie, this is in your wheelhouse.

• 58:35Speaker 11

  This is, this is, I know this answer, but I don't have it.

• 58:39Speaker 02

  Let's see your answers. Heather has nothing. Bear says the double haul. Tony says double haul. Spencer says double haul. Maggie says, Clay says back cast. Yanni says double haul and Brent says double haul. The room did pretty good.

• 58:51Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 58:51Speaker 02

  The correct answer is double haul. According to John Jurasek in Hatch Magazine, the double haul is an advanced casting technique that increases the speed of the line during the cast. To achieve this, the line hand literally pulls or hauls on the fly line at select points in the casting stroke. Once during the back cast and once more during the forward cast. Hauls themselves directly increase the speed of the line. This also causes the rod to bend more deeply. And that deeper bend stores more energy in the rod. And when the rod, when the rod unloads its energy, it transfers it to the line and gives you all that speed. So the double haul, on the back cast, you pull your line with this left hand, you're pulling back line.

• 59:35Speaker 02

  And then as you forward cast, it's like back and another haul. And it shoots that line out, just like you're shooting a bow with an arrow. It really does help. It's simple. It's kind of a weird thing to try to figure out at first when somebody explains it to you. But it's like riding a bike. When you kind of just get the rhythm in your head, it just becomes very natural and then you always do it. Uh, but it really helps. So if you are getting into fly fishing, check out the double haul. Orvis has a lot of really good casting videos. Um, I'd recommend Orvis's YouTube channel for, for learning some basic fly fishing stuff. The double haul, definitely worth knowing.

• 1:00:12Speaker 02

  Any questions? Otherwise, I've got a few more for you. You've answered everything.

• 1:00:18Speaker 02

  Phil, can we get another scoreboard update?

• 1:00:20Speaker 08

  Uh, yes. Brent, did you get the double haul?

• 1:00:22Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:00:23Speaker 08

  Okay, I thought so.

• 1:00:29Speaker 02

  We gotta go to 10.

• 1:00:30Speaker 08

  Uh, now in last place is Heather Douville with one point. Bear Newcomb, uh, got himself a couple of points. He's got two now.

• 1:00:36Speaker 02

  Good job.

• 1:00:36Speaker 08

  After that is Brent Reeves with three. Then Spencer, Maggie, and Clay are all tied up with five points and Yannis Butelis is now, has now pulled ahead. Come on, Maggie. He has six points and is in first place.

• 1:00:48Speaker 11

  You got this. If I didn't have such a brain fart on that last question, Yanni, I'd be right there with you.

• 1:00:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, go Maggie. All right. These last, I think we've got one that a lot of folks would get. One is gonna be a little bit tougher. Ooh, alright. Alright. Question number nine. The topic is natural history. What state in the lower 48 has the most glaciers?

• 1:01:13Speaker 02

  What state in the lower 48 has the most glaciers?

• 1:01:22Speaker 02

  It is so much fun to sit in this seat. And not have the micro stress that Tony talks about. I could really get used to this Spencer, I'm happy to do this anytime.

• 1:01:32Speaker 04

  Okay, start coming to town more.

• 1:01:34Speaker 02

  Yep, count me in.

• 1:01:36Speaker 06

  I feel like Clay and Brent are feeling like they need to host one of these episodes.

• 1:01:42Speaker 03

  Oh, I cannot wait.

• 1:01:44Speaker 04

  You're welcome to, anyone who wants to host.

• 1:01:49Speaker 03

  Mark's gotta be here though.

• 1:01:52Speaker 02

  This is like a revenge game.

• 1:01:55Speaker 03

  Which catfish?

• 1:01:58Speaker 02

  I'd be in trouble.

• 1:02:01Speaker 02

  How many of you have ever like touched a glacier?

• 1:02:04Speaker 06

  I think Playboy has.

• 1:02:07Speaker 06

  In the lower forty-eight Clay? No, not in the lower forty-eight.

• 1:02:11Speaker 02

  It's harder to come by. Harder to get close to them at least in the lower forty-eight.

• 1:02:15Speaker 04

  Glacier, I think me and you probably had, what I saw of your experience with the glacier. Was, I think like mine, it was like seeing a living animal. It struck me like that. I mean, when you see geographic features, there's a certain response that you have that's that's really majestic and awesome, you know, like, but when I saw a glacier, and I don't want to over exaggerate, but it was just the truth. It was, it almost like took my breath away.

• 1:02:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, like a true large glacier.

• 1:02:46Speaker 04

  It sounds dramatic like, whatever, but in the context of being in that kind of wilderness, in that place, being where I'm from, I mean, it was just kind of like, it was just like, wow. And then, and we were a mile from it. And it, it's huge and we just keep going towards it, going towards it, going towards it. And what looks like a fifty foot tall glacier is like a two, I don't know how tall, I still can't tell you how tall it was and we were right underneath it. I don't know if it was five hundred feet or three hundred feet. Just like the scale was just like, super hard to understand.

• 1:03:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was pretty spectacular.

• 1:03:24Speaker 05

  Like a dog on a leash, you sponsor a black bear.

• 1:03:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, something like that. Does everybody have a, have an answer?

• 1:03:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, alright, well, let's just get right to it. Heather says, "Nothing."

• 1:03:39Speaker 02

  Bear says Montana, Tony says Montana, Spencer Montana, Maggie Montana, Clay Montana, Yanni Colorado, Brent Idaho.

• 1:03:47Speaker 11

  Yanni?

• 1:03:47Speaker 02

  Wow, guys.

• 1:03:48Speaker 11

  Process of elimination.

• 1:03:50Speaker 02

  Nobody got the right answer.

• 1:03:53Speaker 07

  Is it? Whoa, man! Oregon?

• 1:03:54Speaker 02

  The correct answer is Washington. Oh! Alaska. We suck again! Alaska has the most glaciers in North America. Alaska's got around a hundred thousand glaciers. But in the lower forty-eight, Washington State is the winner. They've got around three thousand of them. And, uh, Washington's also home to the most glaciated single peak, which is Mount Rainier. Mount Rainier has twenty-five or twenty-six glaciers on that one single peak. Uh, terrific place. Washington State's got a lot of really cool places to go and see these glaciers. According to the Washington Department of Natural Resources, "Glaciers form in areas where snow accumulation persists through time,

• 1:04:38Speaker 02

  allowing the snow to pile up and compact into ice. It typically takes hundreds of years for a glacier to fully form. Glaciers behave like rivers of ice, moving, growing, and shrinking over time. They are bounded by the valleys that they reside in, but they flow under the force of gravity, and they also advance or retreat depending upon the climate conditions." They're very cool to see in person, like you said, Clay. I got to get up in close, in personal with the Mendon Hall Glacier in southeast Alaska. Uh, and yeah, crazy, crazy to see that in real life. It felt like I was stepping into like some natural history documentary. Um, and it was really cool. You can see how these glaciers are changing right now. There was a trail that I hiked, and all along this trail,

• 1:05:22Speaker 02

  there were year markers that showed where the glacier used to be. Oh, goodness. And you could walk decade by decade and see how the glacier had changed. And just from nineteen ninety-six to now, um, so, I mean, just a little bit less than twenty years, um, that glacier had receded somewhere around a mile. It had moved, so it used to be, I was standing at the nineteen ninety-six mile marker, and the glacier would have been right over my head, and then I'm staring at it a mile away. Still huge, but different. So it was very eye-opening to see, see that in real life. Yeah. Yeah, quite, quite the spectacle.

• 1:05:55Speaker 05

  There's a grasshopper glacier southeast of us. I'm gonna hike to you someday. There's grasshoppers frozen into the glacier. And they're like, you can't preserve them. People go up and try to pick them out, but they they basically just melt as soon as they leave the glacier.

• 1:06:09Speaker 02

  Wow. Cool stuff. Cool stuff. All right. That was question number nine. So I believe we should have another scoreboard update and a correct answer review.

• 1:06:20Speaker 08

  Well, just for the scoreboard update really quick before the review mark. It was a zero percenter, so we're right back where we were, but Yanis is still ahead by one point. So this comes down to this last question.

• 1:06:30Speaker 02

  But it is. I mean, there's a strong competition still because Spencer, Maggie and Clay all could still. That's right.

• 1:06:36Speaker 04

  Unless Yanis gets it.

• 1:06:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:38Speaker 04

  You get it. You got this. Last question.

• 1:06:40Speaker 02

  E O Wilson, my behind.

• 1:06:44Speaker 02

  Eldo Leopold was your first guess, I think, Brian. That was a decent guess. That was a good guess. Yeah, until I threw in the initials. Yeah, sorry. All right. So the correct answer review, is that something you do, Phil, or should I review it? Me? All right. The correct answer to question number one was B, Jimmer Nagomany from Menominee. Question number two, the answer was E O Wilson. Three was Tarpon. Four was Pasties. Five was the U.S. Forest Service. Six was the Acorn Cruncher, also would accept Cruncher. Seven was the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Eight was the Double Hall. Nine was Washington State. And that leaves us with question number 10.

• 1:07:28Speaker 02

  For all the marbles, Yanni, you're ready for this one.

• 1:07:32Speaker 08

  Bring it.

• 1:07:32Speaker 02

  All right. You you could you could get this one, maybe. You could win it. Question number 10. The topic is conservation.

• 1:07:44Speaker 02

  Name. Wrong one, Phil.

• 1:07:46Speaker 08

  That's not the right one.

• 1:07:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, let's do that one again.

• 1:07:47Speaker 08

  Vertical.

• 1:07:48Speaker 02

  Yeah. Name the author who wrote these famous words. "We simply need that. We simply need that wild country available to us, even if we'd never do more than drive to its edge and look in, for it can be a means of reassuring ourselves of our sanity as creatures, a part of the geography of hope."

• 1:08:18Speaker 02

  Name the famous author who wrote these famous words.

• 1:08:24Speaker 05

  I, I'm, well, I mean, I bet this quote is in his book.

• 1:08:29Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:08:36Speaker 02

  Name the author who wrote these famous words. He also has written other books. Famous author.

• 1:08:44Speaker 02

  We simply need that wild country. How many, has he published more than one book? Many. Okay.

• 1:08:50Speaker 11

  Does he work here?

• 1:08:54Speaker 02

  Uh, maybe I'm giving too many clues. Yeah, you did. Yeah. You did. I did.

• 1:08:58Speaker 06

  You have it? Honest?

• 1:09:00Speaker 02

  You got a good guess.

• 1:09:03Speaker 02

  "We simply need that wild country available to us, even if we never do more than drive to its edge and look in, for it can be a means of reassuring ourselves of our sanity as creatures. A part of the geography of hope." What a hell of a good line. Brushed up on that wild country before I came. Mm-hmm. Would've helped you. "The geography of hope," isn't that a great way to refer to this? Isn't that great? Should've just scanned Kenyon's diary. Yeah, buddy. You would've won the damn thing if you did that.

• 1:09:38Speaker 02

  Come on, Tony.

• 1:09:41Speaker 02

  Unbelievable. I know, I know. Unbelievable. I know. Does anyone feel confident?

• 1:09:47Speaker 11

  Well, I did, until you said, "He's published many books."

• 1:09:52Speaker 02

  Hmm, well. Right. He's, he's published more than one.

• 1:09:58Speaker 11

  What kind of books?

• 1:10:00Speaker 02

  Maybe ebooks. Maybe not.

• 1:10:03Speaker 11

  Now I'm going back to my.

• 1:10:06Speaker 07

  I thought I had a decent answer until I saw your reaction to Heather's question.

• 1:10:10Speaker 11

  Yeah.

• 1:10:11Speaker 07

  Does he work at the company?

• 1:10:12Speaker 02

  Let's go, let's go. I can't tell you the answer to that.

• 1:10:17Speaker 07

  I don't think I got it.

• 1:10:22Speaker 03

  If it's the person I'm thinking of, I can hear them saying that.

• 1:10:27Speaker 02

  Alright, we probably need to wrap it up though, folks. Ready. Can we see some answers, please?

• 1:10:34Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 1:10:37Speaker 02

  Heather thought it was Steve Rinella, Bear thought Steve Rinella, Tony thought Aldo Leopold, Spencer said Mark Kenyon, Maggie says Mark Kenyon, Clay says Aldo Leopold, Yanni says Aldo Leopold, Brent says Steve Rinella.

• 1:10:49Speaker 08

  Zero percenter. Oh, no.

• 1:10:53Speaker 02

  That is a zero percenter.

• 1:10:57Speaker 02

  The correct answer is Wallace Stegner. Wallace Stegner has written over sixty fiction and nonfiction books and is known as the dean of western writers. But I bet this quote is in your book, meaning that Mark Kenyon, an author, wrote these famous words in his book. Is this quote in your book? This quote is the epigraph for my book. Okay, me and Maggie. On the second page of my book is this quote.

• 1:11:22Speaker 05

  I remember this.

• 1:11:23Speaker 02

  It informs the title of my book. So, the author, Mark Kenyon, wrote these famous words. He wrote those words in his book. I did type them into the, into the Word document. That's true. I don't think I would have given...

• 1:11:39Speaker 08

  We could go to a three-way tiebreaker, though, if we wanted to.

• 1:11:41Speaker 02

  It would make it more fun.

• 1:11:43Speaker 05

  It would make it more fun.

• 1:11:45Speaker 02

  Have you been listening to this argument?

• 1:11:48Speaker 08

  Uh, you guys didn't get it.

• 1:11:51Speaker 02

  I think Phil, Phil, what do you say? Do we give them that?

• 1:11:54Speaker 08

  I mean, if, if, what's, what's the spirit of the game? If we're just having fun, I'd say absolutely. But if, if you're asking me to be a judge, I would say no way. We're here to have fun.

• 1:12:04Speaker 02

  Alright, because then we get to have a tiebreaker. Author Mark Kenyon wrote these words. I mean, you're right. I did type them into the Word document as the epigraph for the book. Well done, Maggie. Alright, so, uh, so Wallace Stegner, as I mentioned, he was the dean of western writers.

• 1:12:19Speaker 03

  Wallace Stegner.

• 1:12:20Speaker 02

  Yes, and you guys should know Wallace Stegner. Uh, he taught at the University of Utah, Wisconsin, Harvard, and Stanford. He's recognized as not only one of the greatest writers coming out of the West, one of our, one of our greatest conservationists. Um, that line that I read originally was a part of the wilderness letter. The Wilderness Letter was this letter that Stegner sent to a congressional commission back in the 60s as they were debating the Wilderness Act. Should we set aside wilderness in this nation? There was a big debate, discussion for years and years about it. Stegner was this famous professor and author and pulled into a lot of different administrations to advise on these things. He sent this long, lengthy, beautiful letter, which ended up getting published publicly because it was so influential.

• 1:13:05Speaker 02

  And then eventually that Wilderness Letter, which just came from, was actually used as the introduction to the Wilderness Act. So all of our designated wilderness areas that we have left in this nation, they are there because of this act of Congress, the Wilderness Act. And if you go and read the text, it has that as well as a really beautiful prose here, talking about these special places. I'm not going to read it all to you, but you should go check it out someday. Very good.

• 1:13:33Speaker 05

  In Mark Kenyon.

• 1:13:34Speaker 09

  I just, I thought you just did it.

• 1:13:35Speaker 05

  Thanks, Mark.

• 1:13:36Speaker 09

  Yeah. It was good.

• 1:13:38Speaker 02

  All right. So we've got a three-way tie. That's fun.

• 1:13:43Speaker 06

  Hey, we can just do nine more questions if you want. I'm not having a good time.

• 1:13:47Speaker 05

  We've got time. We've got Meat Eater Radio Live in a half hour.

• 1:13:50Speaker 02

  I'm enjoying myself, but okay. So tiebreaker question.

• 1:13:58Speaker 06

  It felt like a knife just jabbed me in the temple.

• 1:14:01Speaker 02

  Good. And this one's for Tony. So Tony, sorry you're not in it.

• 1:14:05Speaker 11

  Well, everybody can play.

• 1:14:06Speaker 05

  Yeah, everyone should still play. Because if somebody gets it right on the nose, then there will be an extra $100 donation added to the end of the game.

• 1:14:14Speaker 02

  Phil, I sent you the text for the tiebreaker question, right?

• 1:14:16Speaker 08

  Yes, I have it. Okay.

• 1:14:18Speaker 02

  Let's see it. Tiebreaker. How many acres of lawn grass are in the United States of America? How many acres of lawn are in our country?

• 1:14:28Speaker 09

  Why is that a question for me?

• 1:14:29Speaker 02

  Because you like to talk about pollinators, and I'm going to talk to you about pollinators.

• 1:14:34Speaker 09

  I think I speak for everyone in this room when I say I cannot wait for Spencer to be back in that seat.

• 1:14:40Speaker 08

  And I, I've been saying this a lot lately. This might be our longest episode of trivia so far. By the way, I think we're, we're definitely over an hour.

• 1:14:47Speaker 02

  Really? Oh, yeah. Wow, so I'm talking too much. Oh, well. No one gave me a time. You got that answer right.

• 1:14:53Speaker 11

  Man, I have no idea.

• 1:14:56Speaker 09

  How many acres?

• 1:14:58Speaker 02

  How many acres of lawn do we have in the US of A? Two hours later. Whoever's closest within the three-way tie takes the crown.

• 1:15:13Speaker 02

  You got it, Yanni?

• 1:15:14Speaker 09

  Yanni's got it.

• 1:15:14Speaker 02

  No. You know what? Yanni, in this room, Yanni probably listens to more episodes of my podcast than anybody else. That's right. More than Tony Peterson. More than Tony, for sure, more than Tony. Definitely. And, uh, and we had a podcast talking about this pretty recently. Hmm. So I would think that- I didn't listen to that one. I listened to the ones that tell me how to kill big bucks. No, fair enough. Now, how to grow them. Alright.

• 1:15:38Speaker 02

  How we doing? Be good?

• 1:15:40Speaker 11

  I can't wrap my head around this, but sure, yeah.

• 1:15:44Speaker 02

  Alright, let's see what you got.

• 1:15:48Speaker 02

  Heather? Oh, sorry. Nothing. Bear says fifteen. Tony, forty point million. Forty point one million. I wish you were in the game, buddy. Spencer's one hundred and one million. Maggie, one point five million. Clay, four hundred million. Yanni, three hundred and fifty-seven million, and Brent, one hundred million. The correct answer is approximately forty million acres of lawn.

• 1:16:11Speaker 09

  Whoa!

• 1:16:13Speaker 02

  You were so close.

• 1:16:14Speaker 09

  Dude, I've been in the tiebreaker almost every time I've played trivia and always got my ass kicked.

• 1:16:18Speaker 02

  Did he say this number to you recently? Yeah, he was so close. That is crazy.

• 1:16:22Speaker 09

  Mark says a lot of stuff.

• 1:16:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, so we've got about forty million acres of lawn in this nation. And Maggie won! Did she?

• 1:16:33Speaker 11

  I had-

• 1:16:33Speaker 02

  One point five.

• 1:16:34Speaker 11

  One point five.

• 1:16:35Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. You're closer than the one hundred and one. So Maggie won the game. Yes! Well done, Maggie.

• 1:16:42Speaker 11

  But I won on a, like, fluky thing. That's like, that's not even a-

• 1:16:46Speaker 02

  We're just here having fun, Maggie.

• 1:16:48Speaker 11

  We're just here having fun.

• 1:16:49Speaker 02

  Take your win.

• 1:16:49Speaker 11

  I'll take a W.

• 1:16:51Speaker 02

  We're here to have a good time. Well done, Maggie. The, the reason this is on my mind is because like I said to Yanni, we had, uh, this guy in the podcast named Doug Toleme. Who has popularized an idea called the homegrown national park idea, which was this idea that hey, there's 40 million acres of lawn out there. That's lousy for wildlife, it's lousy for birds and bugs and pollinators and the whole nine yards. So what if we could try to teach people to turn their lawns into native vegetation?

• 1:17:15Speaker 11

  Well, I'll have you know, Mark Kenyon, I have been busting my butt this year trying to grow some native grasses and plants on my dirt patch of a new lawn.

• 1:17:24Speaker 02

  There you go.

• 1:17:25Speaker 11

  And it is not easy, but we're getting some roots in.

• 1:17:29Speaker 02

  Good for you, well that's fitting that you won today.

• 1:17:30Speaker 06

  It's a, it's a three-year process. Sleep, leap, no, sleep, creep and leap.

• 1:17:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:37Speaker 05

  First year it weeps, the second year it creeps, the third year it leaps.

• 1:17:40Speaker 06

  That's right.

• 1:17:41Speaker 02

  Yep, there you go.

• 1:17:42Speaker 11

  Well, I'll be dealing with dirty muddy dog paws in my house for three years.

• 1:17:47Speaker 06

  It'll be worth it.

• 1:17:48Speaker 02

  Well, well done Maggie. Uh, who are you going to be donating your winnings to today?

• 1:17:52Speaker 11

  I gotta go with the Wyoming Wildlife Federation.

• 1:17:56Speaker 02

  Very good. Great organization. Very cool. I appreciate you guys playing along with me.

• 1:18:01Speaker 05

  Thanks, Mark.

• 1:18:02Speaker 02

  Thanks, Mark. Well done, everyone. Good job, Mark. Good times. Well done, everyone. Join us next week for more Meat Eater Trivia. The only game show where conservation always wins.

• 1:18:13Speaker 13

  Yeah, Spencer from South Dakota, he's the host. Using those smooth mellow tones, he lays them questions down.

• 1:18:26Speaker 13

  And he likes taking those two and three-year-old bucks.

• 1:18:30Speaker 13

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