#445 - The Banker's Breakaway Civilization & Who Really Runs the World | Catherine Fitts

Watch every episode ad-free & uncensored on Patreon: https://patreon.com/dannyjones Catherine Austin Fitts is an investment banker and former Bush administration official known for her critiques of government finance and advocacy for transparent economic systems. She later established Solari, Inc., and publishes The Solari Report, offering insights into global finance and governance. SPONSORS https://housecallpro.com/danny - For a limited time only, our listeners get 50% OFF base plans for their first 3 months. https://shopify.com/dannyjones - Start your FREE trial today. https://hexclad.com/dannyjones - Get 10% off your forever cookware. https://lucy.co - Use code DANNYJONES for 20% off your first order. https://whiterabbitenergy.com/?ref=DJP - Use code DJP for 20% off. EPISODE LINKS https://solari.com *NEW* DJP MERCH https://dannyjonespodcast.com Get paid to make clips from the show: https://discord.com/invite/dannyjones FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjones https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 00:00 - Catherine's fight against mortgage fraud 03:28 - The central bank reset led by BlackRock 08:32 - Dillon, Read & Co.'s yearly predictions of pump & dump schemes 15:27 - The Big Short & fact vs. fiction in Hollywood 22:43 - HUD's housing budget, space funding & the black budget 24:25 - Catherine's claims about mind control & financial fraud 31:17 - Catherine says she was poisoned 8 times 35:41 - Electronic harassment, non-lethal weapons & spiritual warfare 43:56 - Why wealthy people seek second passports & homes abroad 48:00 - Who owns the Federal Reserve banks? 50:35 - Howard Lutnick, Epstein & the whistleblower's death 54:01 - Chronology of Epstein, Lutnick & 9/11 01:02:42 - The Clinton Foundation & the Enron coverup 01:07:19 - Catherine's theory of Epstein's intelligence ties & mind-control funding 01:17:45 - JPMorgan & Madoff, Epstein's brain research & spoon bending 01:26:09 - Jared Kushner's wealth & Vectors of Grift 01:32:55 - Bubble economics: Americans are financing their own prison 01:41:26 - The GENIUS Act, tokenized stocks & the stablecoin control grid 01:52:06 - Automating the "third lock" in financial transactions 01:59:11 - Why they're building so many data centers 02:02:42 - How to invest your money today 02:13:12 - The "People Bank," family wealth & independent income 02:23:45 - Homeschooling, co-ops & alternatives to government schools 02:26:44 - Operation Fortress, microreactors & why cash matters 02:30:17 - AI doomsday scenarios & who is funding China 02:37:06 - X is a honey trap & Elon's real plan for DOGE 02:45:01 - Starlink in Ukraine & Catherine's theory of the Iran operation 02:47:41 - Iran, China's borrowing costs & control of global energy 02:56:34 - Breakaway civilizations, disclosure & billionaire longevity 03:04:28 - Solari, Coming Clean & personal financial planning Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:06Danny Jones?

  One of the big things, I mean, I want to cover a lot of things here today. There's a lot of shit happening in the world right now, and I'm really curious to hear your perspective on it. But for folks who aren't aware of you and maybe haven't seen the first interview that we did about a year and a half ago, explain your background and how you got into doing what you do.

• 1:25Speaker 07

  So I had a very successful career on Wall Street, went to Washington to be the Assistant Secretary of Housing. Federal Housing Commission runs essentially the mortgage markets, both an enormous credit operation and regulation. I tried to stop the mortgage fraud and had to leave. I kept being ordered to break the law, and I wouldn't, so I left. But I discovered the internet when I was in the administration, so I started an investment bank in Washington, and the company was very successful. One of the things, we got hired by the next administration to be the lead financial advisor for the Federal Housing Administration, and did about $10 billion of mortgage auctions, and yet again tried to stop the mortgage fraud, and ended up in 11-year litigation with the Department

• 2:08Speaker 07

  of Justice. And it's one of those enemy of the state, shaggy dog stories. And I come from a world where you try and be as secretive and as private as pot, you know, everything's a conspiracy, so you're just trying to stay secret. And then, to win the litigation, I had to go public. And it was frightening. The first time I got on a radio show was 4 million people on a talk show, and I had to talk about money outside of, you know, the 21 Club, and I was like, oh. Anyway, but, so I had to go public, and of course, once you do, you can't go back. Now, what happened during the litigation was, when it was over, we had had, I had discovered early on in the Bush administration that the corporate

• 2:52Speaker 07

  media is just criminals. There's no point in talking to those people. And so I would get on all these internet, you know, it was the beginning of the internet shows, and I would say, I'd give out my email, I'd say, if you have a question, just send it to me. And so the questions grew and grew and grew and grew, and finally, they grew into the two businesses I have today. One is the Solari Report, and we're a subscription service, and our goal is to help our subscribers. Our tagline is "Live a Free and Inspired Life." And we're a great believer, to be sovereign and to be independent, you have to have independent income. And independent income is the basis of family wealth, community wealth, and democracy. So a lot of it's about money and the relationship between money

• 3:35Speaker 07

  and geopolitics. And then the other is Solari Investment Screens. And for 10 years, I did an investment advisory company where I worked with families and individuals on protecting their money from fraudsters. And I spent 10 years cleaning up so many people who'd been burnt by Madoff and Ponzi schemes, and, you know, it's, I got what I didn't know about mortgage or financial fraud leaving the US government, I learned the rest there. And then we turned that into investment screen company, and we provide investment screens to family offices, asset managers, et cetera. And so what we're doing is, we're screening

• 4:18Speaker 07

  companies for companies that are fundamentally productive as opposed to criminal enterprises. So it's a way of, you know, screening crime out of your portfolio.

• 4:28Danny Jones?

  So what is your 30,000-foot view of what's going on in the US economy right now?

• 4:35Speaker 07

  So the fundamental governance system of the United States is being re-engineered on the Just Do It method, and we're going through a process of essentially harvesting the country. So I told you the story of the pension fund advisor the last time. The president of the largest pension fund in the country said to me in 19, the spring of 1997, he said, "We have given up on the country," or "They have given up on the country, and they are moving all the money out, starting in the fall." And that was the fall when the trillions of dollars started going missing from the federal government, and we, we

• 5:18Speaker 07

  literally shifted to what I would describe as an out-of-control economy, where we had one group of people who were above the law and another group of people who had to obey more and more and more laws. And ever since then, we've been watching extraordinary centralization of wealth globally and political control globally, but it very much is coming out of the United States. So I was in the George H.W. Bush administration. Bush used to refer to it as moving everything into tighter and righter hands, right?

• 5:53Danny Jones?

  And who is "they"?

• 5:55Speaker 07

  So they, you know, I was just listening to your interview with Simon, so, so I, Simon talks about the world instead of nation-states in cartels, and he focuses on the military cartel, the financial cartel, and the tech cartel. But I would say the "they," in my experience, who run the world is the central bankers. And so that's the financial cartel. But the central bankers, right now, are in the middle of a reset, so the central banks do a global reset every 80 to 120 years, and right now, we're in what I call the Going Direct Reset, which is a plan that was, we talked about it last time, put forward by

• 6:34Speaker 07

  the central bankers in 2019 at Jackson Hole, where they meet, the G7 central bankers meet there once, once a year. And, and they reviewed a plan prepared by a group of retired central bankers through the BlackRock Investment Institute called the Going Direct. And, and that's when, right after they approved that, or I shouldn't say they approved that, right after they reviewed it, they literally went back, September was when we went into the repo markets, and then the pandemic happened, and during that period, the Fed injected $5 to $6 trillion directly into the economy. Instead of going through the reserve track,

• 7:17Speaker 07

  they, they went direct. And it's that $5 to $6 trillion that's part of the enormous inflation that you're feeling now. And one of the reasons you didn't feel it then was, they literally shut down a large part of the small independent income economy. So they leave the big guys open, they shut down the little guys, they inject $5 trillion in, that mostly goes to the big guys, who can then go buy up all the little guys' land and assets for cheap and steal their market share. So it was a massive consolidation. And if you look at what they did during that period, we're in the sort of second reiteration

• 7:59Speaker 07

  of that now, using energy and trade bottlenecks. So you're watching, again, a massive consolidation of wealth and, and political power going up with these different tactics and tricks. So it's a, it's a fundamental reengineering of the way the global economy works, and the way the global financial system works, and sort of who's in control.

• 8:22Danny Jones?

  So you're saying that meeting happened in Jackson Hole in 2019?

• 8:29Danny Jones?

  And the plan was to inject trillions of dollars into the economy, and...

• 8:34Speaker 07

  No, they did. Well, the plan was to intercede directly. And what that means is, instead of putting, injecting reserves onto the reserve track, they, they buy financial assets from institutions, not just reserve banks or, or banks in the Fed system, but from financial institutions, and that injects the money directly into the economy. But what you have, you know, think of this simply, I shut down all the small businesses and all the small enterprises.

• 9:08Danny Jones?

  And whose decision was that, to do that, to do it that way, to shut down all the small businesses on Main Street and keep open all the big, you know, all the retail stuff was shut down, and basically, Amazon was the main thing, right?

• 9:20Speaker 07

  So I would, so obviously, I wasn't in the room, but, but, but my impression is, it was the central bankers as well as the people who run the financial system. So when I was on Wall Street, I was a member, was a partner and member of the board of Dylan Reed. And, and literally, so for example, the chairman of our firm would come in on the January strategic meeting and say, "Let me tell you what's going to happen this year." And then he would describe what's going to happen that year.

• 9:51Danny Jones?

  For people who don't know, what is Dylan Reed?

• 9:53Speaker 07

  Dylan Reed was a very successful investment bank, very private on Wall Street.

• 9:59Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 10:00Speaker 07

  So I was a partner and member of the board.

• 10:02Danny Jones?

  So this guy would walk in and say, "This is what's going to happen this year?"

• 10:05Speaker 07

  And the chairman who would do this was Nick Brady, who then became, in the Bush administration, the Secretary of Treasury. So Nick was at Treasury when I was at the FHA Commissioner. And, yeah, so Nick would walk in the room, say, "Let me tell you what's going to happen this year," and then he would describe what's going to happen this year.

• 10:23Danny Jones?

  Like, in terms of what? Like, what do you mean? What type of events would he describe?

• 10:28Speaker 07

  You know, so for example, what we knew at the beginning of 1988 was the SNL scandal was going to break and a lot of those institutions were going to go down. We'd been through a huge pump in the real estate market and the dump was going to begin. And one of the reasons I wanted to go to Washington is having been on the board and knowing that, I knew there was going to be a huge cleanup. So you go through these pump and dump cycles in the market related to the contraction, expansion and contraction of debt, and I knew a dump was coming and that Washington would be a very interesting place to be during the dump.

• 11:11Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 11:11Speaker 07

  Right. So I went in on the cleanup team and it was interesting. So when I got to Washington, I bought this big old brownstone right up against Woodley Park. And we had all these, every floor had a balcony that looked over the park. It was very, it was like these big old New Orleans brownstones. Anyway, so I just happened to be confirmed on the same day that the FIAREA legislation to pass the cleanup for the SNL scandal passed. And so I'm over there and a friend of mine was suddenly appointed to go into the SEC, Richard Breeden. And so, and then Bob Glaber was working for Nick over at Treasury, working

• 11:56Speaker 07

  on the legislation. So I had a huge confirmation party. I'd invited everybody. And they were all finished doing this legislation and they'd been working around the clock and were exhausted and wanted to celebrate. So I told Bob and Richard, just come on over to my place, bring everybody and we'll just celebrate whatever, you know, I'll celebrate my confirmation, you celebrate passing FIAREA. And Bob said to me, he said, look, I have a guy from Germany who's been working with us on this legislation, you know, he's very important to me. Could you make sure you take really good care of him? I said, sure, I'll sit him next to me. So he brings him over and I sit him down next to him and I said to him, you know, he's

• 12:40Speaker 07

  at dinner and we're at the, and I said, well, tell me who you are and what you, you know, and he explained who he was. And I said, well, what do you do? He said, I work for the Warburg Bank in Hamburg, Max Warburg, who I later met. And I thought, oh, great, Max is over here. The Warburgs are over here writing our cleanup legislation. And sure enough, I was over at the cash room at Treasury, let me step back. The FIAREA legislation created the Resolution Trust Corporation, which was in charge of resolving all these different bankrupted institutions and portfolios. And there were three board members. One was

• 13:23Speaker 07

  the Secretary of HUD. So I was appointed by the Secretary of HUD to represent him because I had a financial background. So I'm over at Treasury at the first meeting and there's Nick and Greenspan. So it was Nick, the Secretary of Treasury, Greenspan has had the Fed and then me on behalf of Secretary of HUD. And I got a call from the guy that they had appointed to run the RTC right before I go over to the meeting. He's a guy I knew who'd been a partner or been an officer at Solomon Brothers. And he said, Nick and Alan don't want to provide financing for the auctions. And if we don't provide financing, the prices are going to be terrible. And you've got to persuade Nick and Alan that they've got to do financing.

• 14:06Speaker 07

  So I get over to the cash room at Treasury for the first meeting and there's Nick and Alan Greenspan. And they're talking about this and I realized, oh, everybody who sold their real estate in the bubble at three times wants to buy it back at half price. And that's why they don't want to provide financing.

• 14:26Danny Jones?

  Oh, my God.

• 14:28Speaker 07

  I know. I said, oh, this is really bad. Anyway, we ended up providing financing. Some of us were very persuasive. They provided financing. And so the hooligans who'd sold in it three times didn't get it all at half price. But I remember there was one guy at Solomon, he, somebody called him and said, you know, we have this office building, like a huge new office building. I think it was in Houston. And he didn't want to, I think it was Louis Rener, he didn't want it. And they said, well, we just need a bid. And he said, fine, a million dollars. And they said, sold.

• 14:59Danny Jones?

  What?

• 15:00Speaker 07

  So, yeah, so he would buy the, you know, three years before it had been, I don't know, many millions of dollars. I don't remember the story. But, but it was, it was one of those wild, if you've ever seen the movie Margin Call?

• 15:12Danny Jones?

  Uh.

• 15:13Speaker 07

  Oh, God. Danny, you can't understand the financial system. I'm going to give you a list of movies.

• 15:18Danny Jones?

  That's why I got you to explain the financial system. I don't need Margin Call.

• 15:20Speaker 07

  Here's the thing, it's all in the movies.

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• 16:28Speaker 07

  Big Short's very good. Although, here's the thing, The Big Short papers over. You know, I have tremendous experience with mortgage fraud. And because I litigated with the Department of Justice for 11 years, I had to really deep dive the covert side of the mortgage fraud. So I'll tell you, one of the funny stories was, I'm litigating and some of my attorneys come to me and say, would you record all your recollections of working in the Bush administration? So I did. I recorded six 90-minute cassettes of everything in the Bush administration, except for the worst two stories. And so I give it to the attorneys

• 17:12Speaker 07

  and one of the guys who works for me says, can we listen to that? And I said, oh, why would you want to listen to that? They said, trust us, we do. And this is before West Wing and the shows about what it's like to work inside the government. So they come back to me. It was two IT web guys. And they said, that's the most fascinating thing we ever heard. Can we give it to our friends? Well, one thing leads to another. And we made about 100 cassettes, packs of cassettes. This is before. And then finally, we put it up on the internet. And in fact, the first five are up at Solari. You can, if you look, do a search for Kemp tapes and you'll find them on our website. And the first one was recorded, I had a Corvette and I was driving down the New York State thruway in the rain. So

• 17:53Speaker 07

  the first one is really bad, okay? But two to five are okay. Anyway, and people just wanted to listen, listen, listen, listen. But here's what happened. I'm talking about all the fraud I cleaned up when I was Assistant Secretary of Housing and they're wild, wild stories, swinging billions of dollars. But what happens was, all these guys who used to work for the intelligence agencies to do the fraud would listen to the tapes and take pity on me and contact me to tell me about what it was I was cleaning up and how they'd done it and when they'd done it and how all the money was raised. You know, one of them told me that Oliver North had said HUD is the candy store of covert revenues.

• 18:37Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 18:38Speaker 07

  Right, using mortgage fraud. Anyway, so, anyway, but they would come and teach me about all, how, how all this stuff I'd cleaned up had been created and where the money went and all this kind of stuff. Now, here's the thing, these guys are all professional fraudsters. So you never, you can never quite trust everything they say.

• 18:58Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 18:59Speaker 07

  But, you know, over many, many, many stories of them, or from them, you know, you can start to piece together patterns. And I told you this, I think, the last time I was here. One of the funniest moments was, I used to tell people about the fraud and they, they couldn't fathom that it was as bad as I was saying. And it was, it was a struggle because here I am, you know, I'm a partner and member of the board of a fine investment bank, and then I'm Assistant Secretary of Housing, and suddenly, nobody believes a word I say. It's very strange when you go through these things. Anyway, so finally, in 2000, I'm trying to remember when it was, The Soprano TV show did a series of four

• 19:43Speaker 07

  shows on HUD fraud.

• 19:45Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 19:46Speaker 07

  And it was the basic single-family fraud that destroyed my neighborhood as a kid. That's what first got me interested in mortgage fraud. And, because I watched, I watched it happen in my neighborhood. And, and so The Soprano TV shows were really good on the basic model. You know, they did a pretty good job. And anyway, so after it comes out, I'm driving down the highway and my old college roommate calls me and she says, Fitz, have you seen The Soprano TV show? And she said, I guess what you're saying is true. And I said, wait a minute. I'm the former Assistant Secretary of Housing and the former lead financial advisor to the Department of Housing and Urban Development, but you don't believe

• 20:29Speaker 07

  me unless it's on The Soprano TV show. And she said, that's right. And I said, I called, I called the person who runs our operations and I said, you know, in America, fact is fiction and fiction is fact.

• 20:42Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 20:43Speaker 07

  Right.

• 20:44Danny Jones?

  That's very true. You're right. Everything's in the movies.

• 20:46Speaker 07

  But it's a steam valve and it's a way of letting out the truth. You know, it's a steam valve on the system and it then allows you to talk about, you know, the way we say it at Solari, we have a building wealth curriculum. And there's six pillars. And the second one is navigation tools. And in navigation tools, we say there's reality and then there's official reality. And you need to know both. So official reality is for the cocktail party and reality is for the management of your time and money. And you need to not get those mixed up.

• 21:18Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 21:19Speaker 07

  Right. So.

• 21:20Danny Jones?

  Very good point.

• 21:21Speaker 07

  Right. And you need to know both. So.

• 21:22Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it's so funny. We were just talking about this the other day. There was a, there was a, we were talking about this guy, Vince Gilligan, who, he's the guy who made Breaking Bad.

• 21:32Speaker 07

  Oh, really?

• 21:33Danny Jones?

  So Vince Gilligan, he made Breaking Bad. He also did The X-Files, is that right? So he was working on a spinoff of The X-Files and it was called, I can't remember the name of the show. But either way, the pilot of the episode aired.

• 21:52Danny Jones?

  I want to say in June of 2001. And the whole premise of the episode was planes getting hijacked and flown into the Twin Towers. And it shows- The lone gunman.

• 22:06Speaker 07

  Oh wow, I didn't realize that.

• 22:08Danny Jones?

  And then he was sitting there watching CNN on the morning of 2000, of 9/11, and he's like, holy fucking shit, I wrote this in my show.

• 22:17Speaker 07

  Right.

• 22:18Danny Jones?

  And he was like blown away that this actually happened. So it's like, this is one of those, one of those like simulation moments where you're like, what came first, the chicken or the egg here? You know, like, did some terrorists watch this and get the idea to do this? Or like, what, what is this?

• 22:32Speaker 07

  So it's interesting. So, you know, I live in the Netherlands. You know-

• 22:36Danny Jones?

  Currently?

• 22:37Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 22:38Danny Jones?

  Oh, okay.

• 22:39Speaker 07

  Yeah. Not today, clearly. I'm here. But, um, and the, the way I first went to the, the first time I went to the Netherlands was 2012. So two of my partners in our business in Solari, who runs Solari Europa, were the sponsors of a series of conferences on both Breakthrough Energy and another one on, on the secret space program. And that's how I met them, was going to Amsterdam to talk in the Breakthrough Energy Conference. And they did a huge Breakthrough Energy Conference in 2014. And the whole, we had it in San Mateo in California, so in Silicon Valley. And the whole idea was we're going to bring all the serious research together, no entertainment,

• 23:23Speaker 07

  no disinformation, just the serious guys. And Chris Carter came and sat in the front row with a friend of mine, and he's a really good guy. And then I think a year or two later, they came out with one of the X-File sessions being on HUD.

• 23:38Danny Jones?

  Whoa.

• 23:40Speaker 07

  And housing, yeah. There's a, there's, there are a couple of very immediate relationships between the US housing budget and space.

• 23:49Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 23:50Speaker 07

  You know, including, yeah, the, well, remember, the part of the black budget, if you go through the different layers of the black budget, part of it is clawing money out of appropriations and other agencies. But the other thing is, if you look at the appropriation process in Washington, you know, things are in baskets. And HUD was in the same basket with the space station. And whenever there was an emergency on the space station, we'd lose money.

• 24:15Danny Jones?

  Why would they put HUD in the same basket as the space station?

• 24:20Speaker 07

  Because the, the 24 covert agencies and then ancillary are batched into different groups, and you just end up, you know, in a batch with-

• 24:28Danny Jones?

  It's random?

• 24:29Speaker 07

  Uh, I don't, I don't, you know, I've never gone back and looked at the history of how different agencies ended up in different batches.

• 24:36Danny Jones?

  That's so crazy.

• 24:38Speaker 07

  But, yeah.

• 24:39Danny Jones?

  Put something covert, that's in space, in the same bucket as something that no one would ever think twice about.

• 24:45Speaker 07

  In the US government, there's always covert runs through everything.

• 24:49Danny Jones?

  Uh huh.

• 24:50Speaker 07

  So, so the US government is like our world, it's like Disney World. So I've never been to Disney World, but my understanding, I had a friend who took a course underground, you know, so upstairs you have Minnie and Mickey and everybody's walking around, and then downstairs you have an entire subterranean world that's engineering this world above.

• 25:09Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 25:10Speaker 07

  Right. And so, so-

• 25:12Danny Jones?

  What does Walter Bosley call it, again? What was the thing? The psychotronic, uh, he has this theory that the merry-go-round at Disney World in LA was like some psychotronic device or something. Are you familiar with that?

• 25:22Speaker 07

  No, no, no, no. Well, we, you know, at Solari, we do a huge amount of neuro warfare and mind control. And it came out of the investment advisory work, because so many of my clients were targeted with those technologies to defraud them. So if you want to protect a person and their family assets, they have to know about neuro warfare and mind control and be able to protect themselves from it. Because it's used to do financial fraud.

• 25:49Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 25:50Speaker 07

  Yeah, it's a major, it's, so I'm just about to do a new interview called Vectors of Addiction. If you look at many of the different addictions in society, they are engineered with, with neuro warfare.

• 26:06Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 26:07Speaker 07

  Right.

• 26:08Danny Jones?

  Well, I mean, they're, they're super addictive, they exploit, you know, the weakest parts of the human psyche, people who already have these predispositions to them, they're gonna fall, they're gonna fall victim to this stuff. And especially if you're making it ubiquitous and active and, and available at the fingertips.

• 26:23Speaker 07

  But here's the thing, if you don't know the technology exists, it is almost impossible to not be tricked. I mean, I, I remember going into a conference and I knew they were using it, I realized, oh my God, they're using, it was the first time I'd ever experienced it in a conference setting. I'd read about the Enron analyst meetings, and I was convinced from reading that, that they were using entrainment. I can't prove that, that's just my conjecture, but-

• 26:49Danny Jones?

  They were using what?

• 26:50Speaker 07

  Entrainment technology.

• 26:51Danny Jones?

  What does that mean?

• 26:52Speaker 07

  It's a, so here's my understanding of it, and I'm not a scientist. Entrainment and sublimi, entrainment technology and subliminal programming work together. Entrainment opens you up and makes you resonate with something that you would normally never resonate, and then subliminal programming comes in at a subliminal level, and you buy it because you're resonating with it, so you think whatever it is, it's true. Yeah. That's very, very dangerous stuff.

• 27:16Danny Jones?

  And Enron was doing this stuff?

• 27:17Speaker 07

  No, no, I read the analyst report, I, I read reports about the analyst meetings, and I became convinced that they were using entrainment, but I don't know that as a fact.

• 27:28Danny Jones?

  Got it.

• 27:29Speaker 07

  But I, because of that, I was, I realized that they could use it in a conference. Anyway, I went into a conference and they were using it. And it was the first time I personally, I had experienced it, I had experienced it in a personal setting, or on the phone, or TV, but I'd never experienced it in a conference before. So I want, I go into this conference, and I'm thinking, oh my God, I have to be really, really careful not to, you know, I have to control my mind.

• 27:56Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 27:57Speaker 07

  And so I sat down next to, there was a guy from the group I was with, who was, he had a very successful auto parts business, and he was very grounded, he was New Jersey. So, sit next to him, he'll keep me grounded.

• 28:09Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 28:10Speaker 07

  And so I'm taking notes, and I'm listening to the speech, and what the guy's saying is ridiculous. And I'm taking notes, and I sort of lose, I stop controlling my mind for a second, and suddenly I start clapping and turning to this guy and saying, isn't he wonderful? When he's not, he's ridiculous, and what he's saying is stupid. Because it tricked me. And I thought, oh my God, they got me.

• 28:29Danny Jones?

  Interesting.

• 28:30Speaker 07

  Right. So it's very, it's very, very powerful. You have to, anyway, so, so if you are a, a person responsible for the family investments, you have to know this stuff exists, because otherwise you can be targeted, and you can be tricked with it. And it's very, very powerful.

• 28:48Danny Jones?

  And they would target you through, like, so, social media type stuff, right?

• 28:51Speaker 07

  They could, in theory, but they can, you know, I dealt with people who've been targeted by phone.

• 28:57Danny Jones?

  By phone?

• 28:58Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're using it on the phone.

• 28:59Danny Jones?

  Like someone, like a phone call or something?

• 29:01Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 29:02Danny Jones?

  And who would be calling you?

• 29:04Speaker 07

  So it's somebody doing a, say, a REIT private placement, or cybercrime. If you, if you listen to the stories, because cybercrime is skyrocketing, and if you listen to the stories of how people get tricked in cybercrime, it's phone. And I'm sure from the descriptions and the fact patterns, they're using this stuff. That's what I believe.

• 29:26Danny Jones?

  It feels like a very, you know, with, with the way Apple has updated their system on their phones, it's like, all the spam calls, for me at least, get like sent to a spam thing, and like, big thing pops up, this is definitely bucket spam, don't answer this call. And then it shows me a transcript, it's like, hello, my name is, you know, Akbar, with the Business Loan Institute, we want to loan you your $250,000 business loan, or whatever. And so like, I, for exa, I, I never, at least in the last probably year, have answered a call from, you know, one of these sort of like phone people.

• 30:02Speaker 07

  Well, there's a, you know, when you, when you get into this whole area, there's a whole gradation of technologies.

• 30:11Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 30:12Speaker 07

  So it starts with just propaganda, disinformation, pressure, you know, the traditional kinds of things. But then you go into the social media companies using dopamine.

• 30:20Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 30:21Speaker 07

  One of my favorite books to help people understand this is one called Addiction by Design, about slot machine gambling.

• 30:27Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 30:28Speaker 07

  And it's excellent. And when you read all the science and research that has poured into getting people addicted to slot machine gambling, you just can't believe it's legal. I mean, this is big, big, big business.

• 30:42Danny Jones?

  It's the same thing as a phone. Like, the swipe is the same thing as a pull on the slot machine.

• 30:46Speaker 07

  Well, that's true. So, so you have this gradation of, you know, dopamine, and like the stuff they're doing on slot machines, and you get into entrainment, subliminal programming, and then you get into very serious high-tech military, military neuro warfare.

• 31:00Danny Jones?

  I wouldn't doubt it. You know, like, we don't have to do, the same way that, you know, they don't have to really whack people anymore, they have easier ways of ruining your life with, you know, the more centralized everything gets. They don't have to, you know, give people drugs anymore for MKUltra, they can just use the phones that are always already in everybody's hand. We run our merch store through Shopify, and one of the things that I've learned over the years is that holiday sales ain't gonna wait for you to get more organized. And my favorite part about Shopify is the 30 seconds I've spent posting a new product. And if you've been thinking about launching something, doing it before Black Friday gives you a chance to be up and running while more people are already online and ready to buy. Shopify makes that whole process super straightforward.

• 31:44Danny Jones?

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• 32:17Speaker 07

  Here's the thing, the pharmaceuticals and the drugs combined with what they can do in these kinds of technologies, they work together. Because anything that lowers your cognition, so during the litigation, I was poisoned eight times.

• 32:30Danny Jones?

  What?

• 32:31Speaker 07

  Uh huh, I was poisoned eight times. And what was funny was, I didn't know that that could happen to me at the beginning. And so the first couple of times, I didn't realize I'd been poisoned. And then-

• 32:42Danny Jones?

  During the litigation, when you were leaving the government?

• 32:44Speaker 07

  No, what happened was, my company was lead financial advisor to HUD.

• 32:49Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 32:50Speaker 07

  And we ended up, they fired us and tried to steal the money they owed us. And so, they had had a whistleblower file a lawsuit under seal against us that was secret.

• 33:05Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 33:06Speaker 07

  And then, that same whistleblower had brought a public suit saying, it's a long story. It gets very complicated, because there were 18 audits, investigations, 12 tracks of litigation, physical harassment, spear camping. So it got very, very tricky.

• 33:19Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 33:20Speaker 07

  But anyway, so we sued them in the court of claims, and it took us, we finally got the money back, nine years later.

• 33:33Danny Jones?

  Oh my god.

• 33:34Speaker 07

  Took 10 years to get the money. Anyway, but what happened was, they tried, they had a whistleblower bring a key term lawsuit, and they do an investigation, and they could never find anything wrong. They could never find any evidence of wrongdoing. And so, they kind of got stuck. And then they tried to falsify evidence, and we caught them. And were able to turn it into the court. And then, I was offered a chance to settle without, but they weren't going to pay me the money they owed me. And I said, no, I'm going to fight. And that's when it got, they had not been able to find any evidence of any wrongdoing. They had not been able to frame us. And then, then the goal was to just exhaust and break me, you know, so that I would settle.

• 34:17Danny Jones?

  How did they poison you?

• 34:19Speaker 07

  So I can tell you what I experienced, I can't tell you what they did.

• 34:23Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 34:24Speaker 07

  Because I only know what happened to me. And then, you know, there were many different, there were eight different times. But when it was over, then I could go get tested. I had enough money then, to go get tested and start to detox. And my guess is that, one of the way, you know, they can put it in the food, but one of the ways they did it was, they put it down my well. I had a well, I have a house in Tennessee with a well. And I think, I think several of the times, they put arsenic down the well. But the last time, which almost killed me, I don't know how, I can tell you what happened, but I don't know, I'm not sure how they got it in.

• 35:06Speaker 07

  One of the things I will tell you is, you have no idea how easy it is to put it in your food, or your open, you know, you have an open bottle. I was just in Switzerland, visiting a friend, and she was telling me about people who are going to parties, and they tell you now, you have to take your drink to the bathroom with you. Because if you leave it on the table-

• 35:27Danny Jones?

  Oh, of course, that's here too. Yeah, that's kind of just like a known thing, like, nobody leaves their drink at the bar when they go to the bathroom.

• 35:33Speaker 07

  Right, so it's much more common.

• 35:34Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 35:35Speaker 07

  Anyway, so-

• 35:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah, like, people putting gay drugs and drinks and stuff like that.

• 35:39Speaker 07

  Right.

• 35:39Danny Jones?

  Or just, you know, drugs to try to knock you out, so they can rob, take all your money, or whatever.

• 35:44Speaker 07

  Right, right. So, anyway, so I think a couple of them were, the first one happened in Washington, and we had all sorts of physical harassment in Washington, including some kind of energy weapon that was, yeah. We're really going down. So, so what happened was, when the litigation started, you have to understand, I was a very successful, wealthy person. So these kinds of things can't happen to me.

• 36:13Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 36:14Speaker 07

  And my first reaction is, I have a political problem, how do I fix it? You know, let's get this over. It's stupid to fight, I don't want to spend any time litigating. And, because I was from a world where I thought if I had done something to offend, I thought I had permission to do everything I was doing, and if I was causing offense, somebody would give me a heads up, and then I'd back, you know, I would fix it. So I was kind of surprised that all of this was happening. But, anyway, so the first thing I did, is I went out and tried to hire a security firm, because we were having people break in, follow me, you know, I had all sorts of physical harassment. So, I tried to hire-

• 36:54Danny Jones?

  And this is during the lawsuit?

• 36:55Speaker 07

  This is at the beginning, when I'm still living in Washington.

• 36:59Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 37:00Speaker 07

  And so I tried to hire a couple of private security firms, to kind of help me figure out what's going on, how do I solve it quickly?

• 37:07Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 37:08Speaker 07

  And then, how do I protect myself physically? And so, each one would come back and say, it's too dangerous, we can't help you. I know, I was like, me? So, so the last-

• 37:21Danny Jones?

  Why did they say it was too dangerous?

• 37:22Speaker 07

  They wouldn't tell me. They would just say, we don't want, you know, we don't want the assignment, we're turning you down. So I think they figured I was a dead duck, is what they figured. Anyway, but, the last one came, and they brought this really skinny guy, who was a bio warfare expert. And I thought, why do I need a bio warfare expert? Anyway, so, he comes in, and I had this beautiful, like, little brick mansion, and he comes, they leave, they start to leave, and suddenly, you can see, he feels badly, he feels sorry for me. He spins around and turns, and he said, look lady, they're going to drill holes in your wall, and inject low-grade bio warfare. And he said, do me a favor, buy birds. I said, birds? Why birds?

• 38:07Speaker 07

  He says, if the birds die, get out of the house.

• 38:09Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 38:10Speaker 07

  And sure enough, they did. They drilled, they drilled holes in the wall, and, you know, that came later, but we did get the birds. I had a friend living in one of my guest rooms, just, she was there for protection. And she got a bird, I got a bird. And the first morning, from nine to five, we would have these incredible, I don't know, it was like being in a microwave, and you were being electrified.

• 38:36Danny Jones?

  Whoa.

• 38:37Speaker 07

  And, and the first morning, we took the cloth off, and the birds fell off the perch. They were not dead, but they were just lost their balance.

• 38:44Danny Jones?

  Stone.

• 38:45Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 38:46Danny Jones?

  Holy crap.

• 38:47Speaker 07

  And so, I used to go try and sleep in all different parts of the house, to get away from this. And it would just be nine to five. And that's when I started to research non-lethal weapons. Because I knew something was happening, but I didn't understand it. And I didn't think it could happen to somebody like me.

• 39:02Danny Jones?

  That's an insane, like, what year was this?

• 39:07Speaker 07

  This was 1998, that I started to research non-lethal weapons. In 1994, the Department of Justice had done a deal with DOD, a memorandum of understanding, to test non-lethal weapons on domestic applications. And what I discovered, when I started to research, is this kind of thing was happening. It's now called targeted individuals. So you've, I'm sure you've run into it.

• 39:33Danny Jones?

  Havana syndrome type stuff?

• 39:34Speaker 07

  It's electronic harassment.

• 39:38Danny Jones?

  Electronic harassment?

• 39:40Speaker 07

  Electronic harassment. And, or, sometimes they call it covert electronic harassment.

• 39:45Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 39:46Speaker 07

  But anyway, so, one of the things I discovered, it was being used by the real estate industry to get, you know, if you have a rent-controlled apartment, it's, you can use it to get your, make your tenants so sick they die or leave. Okay? Or if you're a Section 8 developer, and you want to move them out of Section 8 to assisted living, and you make a lot more money, you can use it to make them sick and do that. So, it had many applications, well beyond, you know, the situation I was dealing with.

• 40:18Danny Jones?

  And landlords would use stuff like this?

• 40:21Speaker 07

  Yep, landlords would use stuff like that. I discovered a whole, you know, I had to deep dive covert operations. If you go to Solari, we have a 12-part series called Deep State Tactics 101. And it's on every tactic that we all dealt with for that 11-year period. And beyond, because, you know, we kept dealing with it later, so. But it's very interesting, because the, I had a very funny run-in with James Woolsey, right after, when was it? It was in 19-

• 40:52Danny Jones?

  For people who don't know who he is?

• 40:53Speaker 07

  James Woolsey was the head of the CIA when the physical harassment started.

• 40:58Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 40:59Speaker 07

  Okay. So I'm assuming, if it came out of there, which I believe it probably did, he would have approved it. Anyway, but I had a very funny interaction with him, where he, he had to work with me at a board meeting, and felt clearly very guilty. Anyway, but before he died, according to his wife, he was a victim of the Havana syndrome. So somebody was using-

• 41:20Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 41:21Speaker 07

  Somebody was using it on him. And, and it was very interesting, because when I read that, I thought, you know, it's funny, what goes around, comes around.

• 41:29Speaker 07

  So

• 41:29Danny Jones?

  This head of the CIA is not safe. They're only there for a little while.

• 41:32Speaker 07

  You know something? The whole planet's not safe. I mean, that's

• 41:37Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 41:37Speaker 07

  Right.

• 41:39Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it's frightening. It's a frightening reality that's been starting to set in more and more lately.

• 41:43Speaker 07

  Well, but here's the thing, you know, because what happened to me, I was very lucky. I found a great church in Washington and they had a Bible institute and I spent two and a half years studying spiritual warfare.

• 41:57Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 41:57Speaker 07

  And those techniques absolutely not only helped me navigate the whole situation, they absolutely saved my life. They revolutionized my wife, my life.

• 42:07Danny Jones?

  Spiritual warfare?

• 42:08Speaker 07

  Spiritual warfare. And if you, if you study the techniques of spiritual warfare, if you're a hyper, you know, I was brought up to be a hyper materialist. I was an investment banker. And so spiritual warfare was not high on my list of things I was going to study. But it's almost as though, you know, there, there's a line in scripture that I love, "All things work together for the good of love, of them that love the Lord and are called according to the purpose." And what that means is if something's happening to you and you think it's bad, write a movie plot and say, "This is the best thing that ever happened to me." And then,

• 42:46Speaker 07

  what's the plot? You know, invent the plot. And it turned out that getting kicked out of the establishment was one of the best things that ever happened to me. I mean, I truly believe if I hadn't gotten kicked out of the establishment, I would have kept believing my doctors and I'd be dead. Right?

• 43:03Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 43:03Speaker 07

  Right. So, so getting kicked out of the establishment was great, but it didn't feel that way at the time.

• 43:09Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 43:09Speaker 07

  Right.

• 43:09Danny Jones?

  You lose all your material items and your mansions.

• 43:12Speaker 07

  I auctioned off, I sold and auctioned off everything. I mean, just everything. And it was funny. I, I, I went to a process of living in four places on an unpredictable schedule because I was trying to make the harassment so expensive that they couldn't, they couldn't get a contract renewal. So I was sort of playing the government contract system. And so I lived in four places on an unpredictable schedule and our company had three cars that looked exactly the same. We're constantly moving them around. And, but I finally consolidated down into one tiny home. I have a little country home in Tennessee.

• 43:51Speaker 07

  And, and so I, you know, I was selling, selling, selling, selling, selling, selling everything. We had discovered eBay.

• 43:59Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 43:59Speaker 07

  And it was sold. I had a huge art collection and antiques and selling, selling, selling. Finally I get down to this little house in Hickory Valley. And I still have, you know, about 10 or 20 pieces that have real financial value or sentimental value. And every time I left, they would steal one. It's like a torture technique. And so what I decided to do was that year I made a list of everything I had that had sentimental or financial value. And I gave it away for birthdays and Christmas. My sister got a Renoir etching.

• 44:32Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow.

• 44:33Speaker 07

  I know. That's what she said.

• 44:34Danny Jones?

  And how long ago did you decide to move out of the country?

• 44:37Speaker 07

  So I left the country in 2019 and ended up locked down in the Netherlands.

• 44:43Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 44:44Speaker 07

  Yeah. So I didn't come back for two and a half years because I got locked down.

• 44:47Danny Jones?

  And you, but you're still, you still, you're full time though in the Netherlands?

• 44:50Speaker 07

  So I'm a Dutch, I have a Dutch residency and I have an apartment and I'm

• 44:55Danny Jones?

  Why are all the smartest economic, financial people I know, they all live outside of the country? Like you, Simon.

• 45:03Speaker 07

  So I, I think, well, Simon's from the UK.

• 45:06Danny Jones?

  He is from the UK. That's true.

• 45:07Speaker 07

  He's from the UK, but

• 45:08Danny Jones?

  Right, that doesn't count.

• 45:08Speaker 07

  But I think a lot of

• 45:09Danny Jones?

  But there's others I've talked to.

• 45:10Speaker 07

  A lot of smart people want to have options. So they have two or three

• 45:14Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 45:15Speaker 07

  passports or options or whatever.

• 45:17Danny Jones?

  And also, all of the tech billionaires also are getting dual citizenships and politicians and these people, they're buying houses in Argentina, New Zealand, they're buying bunkers. Have you noticed this?

• 45:32Speaker 07

  So here's, I have a totally different point of view than they do. I, I can understand their point of view.

• 45:38Danny Jones?

  I don't, I, I don't, I don't understand their point of view. What do you think their point of view is?

• 45:42Speaker 07

  So here's my point of view. I, I think they think you can get away from the risk. And, you know, I always used to tell people when I was an investment advisor, there is no way. So during the litigation, I, I decided that I would travel across the country and I did extensive traveling by car to try and understand what was happening in politically and economically because you couldn't tell from,

• 46:10Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 46:10Speaker 07

  you couldn't tell from government statistics or the news. So in that process, I met and spent a lot of time downloading the stories of every elderly person in my family. And one of the things I discovered was that my family for the last 500 years keeps moving west to get away from it. Right? And I realized, oh, you know, they keep moving to get away from it, but it is everywhere.

• 46:40Danny Jones?

  What is it?

• 46:42Speaker 07

  From the central banking warfare system that's constantly extracting, manipulating, starting wars, starting, you know, it's, it's what Simon was describing.

• 46:54Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 46:54Speaker 07

  Call it FIC. I would say he calls it

• 46:56Danny Jones?

  The financial industrial complex.

• 46:57Speaker 07

  Right.

• 46:58Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 46:58Speaker 07

  Right. So it's, well, the central banking warfare money, the, the, the central bankers print money and then the military and intelligence agencies make sure people take it. And the interesting thing of what's happening now is if you look at the tech guys, you know, the tech guys are moving up as important. But what they're doing with robots and drones could definitely compete with military guys.

• 47:22Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 47:22Speaker 07

  And what they're doing with program money could definitely compete with the financial guys. So it's going to be very interesting to see how this all sorts out. We should talk about that. But anyway, I call that, that central banking warfare model the tapeworm. And, and I discovered my family's been moving west for 500 years, trying to get away from the tapeworm. And I don't want to move away. I want to walk right into the center of the thing and, you know, enter in the dial. I don't, I don't want to go away. I want to go right into the heart of darkness.

• 47:56Danny Jones?

  So what specifically were they moving away from? Like, I'm assuming your, your family, they're not studying finance and stuff like this. What is it? What are like the practical things in their lives that?

• 48:06Speaker 07

  So, so you had

• 48:11Speaker 07

  one, one relative went from Switzerland to Amsterdam, then to the UK, and then came to the US. And they're trying to get to a place where they're free to own property and to be away from war. And then we had a whole group in, in the South before the Civil War who moved west. Some went to Tennessee and some went to Texas and they're trying to get away from the war.

• 48:34Danny Jones?

  Got it.

• 48:35Speaker 07

  And the ones who made it to Texas beat the war, the ones who Tennessee didn't go far enough.

• 48:40Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 48:40Speaker 07

  So there is that expression, "Go on to Texas." And they're trying to just get away from the war.

• 48:47Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 48:47Speaker 07

  They're trying to get away from the centralizers stealing their lands, you know, taxing them to death or, or, you know, killing them for one reason or another.

• 48:59Danny Jones?

  Who are, do we know like actual names of people who are at the top of this financial cartel that runs the world that's above governments, militaries, intelligence, all this stuff?

• 49:11Speaker 07

  So I'll tell you what my personal experience is.

• 49:15Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 49:15Speaker 07

  So, because the hard part, you know, I could sit down and give you names of people who I think have been critical in running the financial system. You know, and it layers up because remember you do have banks that are, that own the central bankers. I mean, you, you, in the, in the United States, you have banks that own the Fed banks, et cetera, own the New York Fed. Okay?

• 49:42Danny Jones?

  You have banks that own the New York Fed?

• 49:44Speaker 07

  Right.

• 49:45Danny Jones?

  Like own shares of it or something?

• 49:47Speaker 07

  They own it. Yeah, they own, they own share, the members own shares. So the United States has a hybrid system where you have Board of Governors in Washington, but then you have 12 banks that run the central banking, the transaction system.

• 50:02Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 50:03Speaker 07

  And the mothership is the New York Fed because it's the depository for the US government and it runs the primary dealer system. So that's the, you know, the crown jewel in the 12 banks.

• 50:14Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 50:14Speaker 07

  But they are owned by their members. And then, of course, the question is, if you look at the, at the people who own the, the members, you know, who really is that? Because if you

• 50:26Danny Jones?

  The members of the 12 banks?

• 50:28Speaker 07

  Yeah. So, so if you look at the New York Fed, JP Morgan Chase, Citibank, Goldman, you know, these are the firms that own the shares to the New York Fed. Now, in 1998, I called all the, I called or emailed all the public affairs offices of all 12 banks. And I said, who owns, you know, of your members, how much does each own? What's the percentage ownership? And so specifically who owns how much? And then the other thing I said is, what are the policies related to what access? Oh, who manages your databases, your IT systems? Who has access to your data? And then what are your policies about sharing your data with your members?

• 51:14Speaker 07

  And they wrote back or said that, "Oh, that is confidential. You can't know that." Now, in 1998, somebody did a FOIA of the New York Fed and got a breakdown as of 1998 of percentage ownership of the New York Fed at that time. But I haven't seen anything since then.

• 51:35Danny Jones?

  Did you see that story that came out, I think a week ago, maybe a week and a half ago, of this guy who worked for Howard Lutnick? Who committed to

• 51:46Danny Jones?

  This guy was blew the whistle on Howard Lutnick. He came out and was talking about Howard Lutnick's ties to Jeffrey Epstein.

• 51:52Speaker 07

  Right.

• 51:52Danny Jones?

  And Cantor Fitzgerald and all, all his ties. And this guy was, so this guy, find the story, Steve, so I, so we don't butcher the shit out of it. But, so I guess like when all the regulations started to kick in in like 2008, like this was one of the guys who was like, you know, fricking top tier academic.

• 52:12Danny Jones?

  Okay, whistleblower flagged Lutnick's links to Epstein dies by suicide. Punch in a little bit.

• 52:17Speaker 07

  That was not a suicide.

• 52:20Danny Jones?

  Right, right.

• 52:23Danny Jones?

  Scroll down so we can read like the first summary of it. Former British banker whistleblower, Simon Andri, Andries, who flagged Howard Lutnick's alleged lick, link to convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein has died by suicide. Andries was previously a managing director at the Wall Street firm BGC.

• 52:45Danny Jones?

  BGC Group where Lutnick, now the US Commerce Secretary, was a chief executive officer. The death of the 57 year old was confirmed by Andy Angathulio, the founder of Campaign Group Transparency Task Force, which has previously hosted events related to the whistleblower Andries. There's a crazy deep story with all this. So Andries was one of the guys who I guess had to like verify all the transactions and stuff on Wall Street, like if like Lutnick was, I don't know, like if he was doing a deal or something where like money would move around, like this guy was the guy who would like check off and like, like say, this is, this is kosher, this can go through, like this checks all the boxes.

• 53:29Danny Jones?

  There's nothing shady here. And there's a bunch of emails from Lutnick

• 53:35Danny Jones?

  to this guy, like where he's just telling him, just like, just sign off on it, just sign off on it, do it or whatever. And like, there's a bunch of stuff with Epstein that he found.

• 53:41Speaker 07

  So let me walk you through chronology. And when I'm through with the chronology, you decide what you think of the, what the chronology means. Okay.

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• 55:00Speaker 07

  Okay, 1994, it was 90, well, it was 93 or 94.

• 55:10Speaker 07

  Epstein is taken to the Clinton White House for the first time. And before Clinton leaves, I think according to Whitney Webb, it was 14 or 19, some large amount of times that Epstein went to the Clinton White House. Okay. So who was he introduced by that year? Who, who first took Epstein?

• 55:28Danny Jones?

  To the White House?

• 55:29Speaker 07

  To the White House.

• 55:32Speaker 07

  According to Whitney Webb.

• 55:33Danny Jones?

  Was it?

• 55:39Danny Jones?

  I don't remember.

• 55:40Speaker 07

  Bob Rubin. Former, former co-chair of Goldman Sachs. At the time, national economic advisor, soon to be Secretary of the Treasury.

• 55:50Danny Jones?

  Bob Rubin.

• 55:51Speaker 07

  Bob Rubin took Epstein to the White House, to the Clinton White House for the first time. And then Epstein goes back to the White House many, many times before Clinton leaves. Okay, that's date number one. October 1994, the Fed and the New York Fed, who have taken the position prior that it was a conflict of interest, changed their policy and buy shares at the Bank of International Settlements. Now, the Bank of International Settlements is a bank that can move money all over the world and keep money on its balance sheet secretly. And they have sovereign immunity, not that the US necessarily respects it, but there it is. Okay. So certainly if the United States wants to respect it.

• 56:34Danny Jones?

  So recap what that, what that means. So that, so the, so the Bank of International Settlements was now doing what?

• 56:42Speaker 07

  The, the New York Fed and the Fed now both own shares.

• 56:46Danny Jones?

  They own shares in the Bank of International Settlements.

• 56:48Speaker 07

  In the world's largest secret piping, money piping system in the world.

• 56:53Danny Jones?

  So none, none of that money, the BIS has to be declared at all?

• 56:58Speaker 07

  They can hold money secretly on their balance sheet all day long. Okay. So that's October 94. Okay. 95, the, you have a huge blow up on the budget. And, and after three weeks, you know, you shut the government down for three weeks. And that period is later described to me by the President, the largest pension fund is they have given up on the money, on the country, they're moving all the money out starting in the fall. One of the things that happened during that period was on the Mexican bailouts, Rubin dipped into the Exchange Stabilization Fund, which is sort of the mother of all slush funds

• 57:44Speaker 07

  run by the New York Fed for, for the Secretary of Treasury. And what I've been told, and I don't know if it's true, they were scared that, you know, they, they didn't, they were scared to leave assets in the country anymore because the, they could not get the budget on a solid basis, financially solid basis. And so it was described, they have given up on the country, they're moving all the money out starting in the fall. Okay. So 96, you start to see enormous changes happening. And it's during this period that we are targeted because we're stopping the mortgage fraud. And they want to significantly increase the mortgage fraud.

• 58:25Speaker 07

  In fact, after the budget deal busted, they started, that's when the predatory lending skyrocketed. And the FDA approved OxyContin and the pill mills opened. And neighborhoods, poor neighborhoods were just targeted both by the pill mills and predatory lending.

• 58:43Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 58:44Speaker 07

  Okay. So, so in 90, at the end of, or fall of 97, a process begins at DOD and HUD where

• 58:58Speaker 07

  by, by the time the government takes the books stark in 2015, 21 trillion of undocumented adjustments start to occur. The federal government makes no effort to obey the financial management laws. There are reports of mammoth

• 59:16Speaker 07

  problems in the accounts, again, 21 trillion, one trillion of undocumented adjustments at HUD, 20 at DOD. And I call it the missing money. And it starts, you know, by 2000, we have reporters writing about missing money at DOD, missing money. And in 2001, in September 10th, 2001, Donald Rumsfeld, who's complaining that Mossad is running the Pentagon.

• 59:44Danny Jones?

  He was complaining about that?

• 59:46Speaker 07

  Larry Wilkerson has, has said on many shows that Rumsfeld used to complain that Mossad had more power at DOD than, than he did. And they were running DOD and they had free reign of the building. And Wilkerson describes, okay, Mossad having, and, and their guy went in as controller during that period at DOD as well. So, so Rumsfeld stands up on September 10th and says, there's 2.3 trillion missing from DOD. And it's a worse problem than terrorism. Okay. Now, what happens the next day? The next day, many offices that had the records of money disappearing from DOD and HUD,

• 1:00:29Speaker 07

  or the financing, the, the bonds, the government bonds used to finance that missing money, suddenly blow up. So suddenly.

• 1:00:39Danny Jones?

  They get hit by a plane, allegedly.

• 1:00:41Speaker 07

  Whatever. So, so, you know, we're told that the office at the Pentagon was, included the Office of Naval Intelligence doing an investigation of the missing money at DOD. Blown up, okay? All sorts of securities offices and big bond dealers on Wall Street with records on all of this blown up. We know right after the World Trade Center came down, many firms were able to do settlements with the SEC because all the SEC office documents blew up. Right? Right. And suddenly the 2.3 trillion was not a problem. I had a story coming out with a big reporter in Washington.

• 1:01:25Speaker 07

  It's going to be cover story in Insight Magazine that goes automatically to all the offices, DOD and HUD, I'm sorry, all the House and Senate, that Friday on the missing money cover story on the $4 trillion missing from DOD and HUD. Story never went out because 9/11 happened. And suddenly nobody cared about the missing money. DOD gets a big $48 billion appropriation increase and nobody cares. And it was years before we could get anybody to care again. Everybody was making a fortune on the war on terror, right?

• 1:02:02Danny Jones?

  And circle all the way back to Howard Lutnick, who conveniently was dropping his kid off at school that day.

• 1:02:06Speaker 07

  Well, but here's what's interesting. Okay, so let's go back in the chronology.

• 1:02:09Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:02:10Speaker 07

  So back in the chronology, Wexler gives Epstein a big house on 72nd Street, Manhattan, prime, prime real estate.

• 1:02:20Danny Jones?

  Les Wexler.

• 1:02:21Speaker 07

  Les Wexler. Then he moves Epstein to the bigger house next door and sells the first house to Howard Lutnick.

• 1:02:31Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:02:32Speaker 07

  Okay. So Howard Lutnick. So now we have someone who we have reason to believe is laundering major amounts of money, who just happens to now live next door to somebody who's running a primary dealer.

• 1:02:49Speaker 07

  You know what a primary dealer is?

• 1:02:50Danny Jones?

  I don't know what a primary dealer is.

• 1:02:52Speaker 07

  There's a group of companies who essentially are authorized to sell treasury bills and bonds and make the market for the US government borrowing, okay?

• 1:03:04Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:03:05Speaker 07

  So if you, if you wanted to launder extraordinary amounts of money,

• 1:03:11Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:03:12Speaker 07

  it would be very convenient to be paired with a primary dealer.

• 1:03:19Speaker 07

  Right?

• 1:03:19Danny Jones?

  Okay, yeah.

• 1:03:20Speaker 07

  And interestingly enough, that primary dealer's offices were destroyed on 9/11.

• 1:03:28Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 1:03:28Speaker 07

  Right, with all the

• 1:03:29Danny Jones?

  That's insane.

• 1:03:30Speaker 07

  With all the records.

• 1:03:31Danny Jones?

  And, not for nothing, his address was nine and Lutnick's address was 11.

• 1:03:36Speaker 07

  Right, so, so let me keep going. I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

• 1:03:40Danny Jones?

  Right, it must be.

• 1:03:41Speaker 07

  So let me, Clinton leaves the White House. So in 1996, the Clinton Foundation is created using an accountant who, as far as I knew, I knew him personally, I had hired him at one point, only did HUD business. Why would Clinton Foundation create its foundation using a HUD attorney? I mean, a HUD CPA, very strange. Okay. When, when Clinton leaves the White House, what's the first thing he does? Gets on a plane with Epstein and starts flying around the world and bringing huge amounts of money back for the Clinton Foundation.

• 1:04:20Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:04:20Speaker 07

  Where'd all this money come from? At the same time, we have Enron exploding, and no one can figure out how Enron's making all this money. All we know is the two of the board members are the head of the two firms that run the IT systems where all the money is going missing from HUD and DoD.

• 1:04:41Danny Jones?

  Sorry, can you say that one more time? The heads, the two heads of Enron?

• 1:04:45Speaker 07

  So two of the board members, including

• 1:04:48Danny Jones?

  Two of the board members.

• 1:04:48Speaker 07

  Including the chairman of the, I'm trying to remember if it was the Compensation or Executive Committee or Audit Committee, but two of the board members also run IT companies or lead investors in IT companies

• 1:05:02Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:05:03Speaker 07

  who run the systems where the money's going missing, the payment systems where 21 trillion is undocumented adjustments, right? What a coincidence.

• 1:05:13Danny Jones?

  That's fucking nuts.

• 1:05:15Speaker 07

  Well, no, it gets better. I, it was very interesting. I, so I was tracking all of this, and the, the board member who was on Enron, he's on the board, this guy named Pug Winiker, and he was also, at one point, on the Harvard board and got kicked off because Harvard made a fortune shorting Enron at the same time he's on the board saying, "We had no idea there was a problem." So he's over here, you know, his team is shorting it over here, and over here, they're saying, "Oh, we had no idea there was a problem." And what's interesting is he was also, his investment company was the lead investor

• 1:06:00Speaker 07

  on a company who was running the IT systems at the SEC and Department of Justice. And when the, when the sort of Enron thing exploded, I would do, I had this very successful podcast called "Enron Anatomy of the Cover-Up," and I said that even though the Department of Justice hadn't asserted control of Enron's documents, the Enron board had asserted control of the Department of Justice and SEC's documents.

• 1:06:27Danny Jones?

  Whoa.

• 1:06:28Speaker 07

  Well, it was really funny. The, one of the things I pointed out during the Enron investigation, that they had had 700 subsidiaries in the Cayman Islands, and the head of, I think, enforcement or the department, the equivalent of the Department of Justice in the Cayman Islands, but, you know, the, the proper authorities stood up, and he said that they would be delighted to cooperate with the Department of Justice on the investigation of Enron, but as of yet, they hadn't gotten a request from the Department of Justice.

• 1:07:03Speaker 07

  You know, it was, this, whatever happened, so I'm, I'm going through this timeline.

• 1:07:09Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:07:10Speaker 07

  When you see trillions of dollars disappear here, and then trillions of dollars show up in the offshore havens

• 1:07:19Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:07:19Speaker 07

  or flying around, you know, why, why would Norway or New Zealand give millions and millions of dollars to the Clinton Foundation? I, I don't believe they would, but they might launder it through to the Clinton Foundation if it was not their money and they got to take a cut. I'm, I'm just making it up. But all I'm saying is, when you have trillions disappearing here after the large, the president's largest pension fund says they have given up on the country, they're moving all their money out starting in the fall, you know, and trillions of dollars show up here offshore, you know, there's likely

• 1:07:57Danny Jones?

  It's gotta go somewhere.

• 1:07:59Speaker 07

  So I have an online book called Dylan Reed and the Aristocracy, Aristocracy of Stock Profits, and I go through some of this, and I put up a lot of documentation, so if you're interested, you can go. It's at dylanreedandco.com.

• 1:08:14Danny Jones?

  So do you think Epstein, what do you, who do you think Epstein actually worked for?

• 1:08:22Speaker 07

  I think Epstein was a joint project of US and Israeli intelligence and probably British intelligence, but I'm, I'm not sure, because they usually do things together. And, and if you look at house surveillance in the US, it's always been highly integrated with British intelligence, but I think, I think, I think Epstein was running the equivalent of the SWIFT system for this movement of money.

• 1:08:52Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:08:53Speaker 07

  And, and, but I also think he was asked to help reinvest some of the money into creating programmable money. And so he was running a venture effort to get distributed ledger technology that could build a control grid. So he was financing the control grid, so one was programmable money. He was also putting a lot of money into mind control. So Harvard, MIT, brain research.

• 1:09:23Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:09:23Speaker 07

  And it's interesting, if you look at the money stolen out of Madoff, it was also going into brain research.

• 1:09:29Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:09:29Speaker 07

  Yeah. So, so they've poured billions into mind control.

• 1:09:34Danny Jones?

  And he was also super obsessed with eugenics and trying to like ship his sperm all around the world.

• 1:09:40Speaker 07

  Right. I know a lot less about that. I just focused on, you know, I think he was helping, you know, you do, you do need kind of an informal SWIFT system to do that kind of, you're talking about trillions of dollars of money.

• 1:09:57Danny Jones?

  He was like a fixer, sort of like a fixer for like all the richest people in the world.

• 1:10:03Speaker 07

  Yeah, he, he was

• 1:10:05Danny Jones?

  And powerful people.

• 1:10:07Speaker 07

  But, but he was helping facilitate major money moves. Now, if you look at who is moving that money, to the people who run the central banking system, it's not secret. Right? So I think I'm, stop me if I told you this story the last time. One of my favorite stories I ever heard was I had a friend who was a great reporter, the one I was doing the missing money stories with in Washington, and she took her top source at the DEA out for lunch after he retired. So this is like the week after he's retired. She takes him out of lunch, and he finishes lunch, and he says to her, he said, "Let's face it, sweetie." He said, "All the wires batch and go through the New York Fed. They know where every penny

• 1:10:51Speaker 07

  is." Right? So, you know, so, so you don't need, it's pretty easy to take a government account managed by one of the New York Fed member banks, shoot the money into the BIS, shoot it to Norway, and give it back to the, to the Clinton Foundation, right? You don't need, you don't need Epstein to do that, but you do need somebody to facilitate sort of the communications on how we're gonna do the deals, and, and that's why I call it a SWIFT system. It's like a covert SWIFT system to help, you know, the people part of it. And, and then everybody, the way you make money in that network is, is, you know,

• 1:11:34Speaker 07

  you, you have access to information, and you use that information to take advantage of the different things. And, and you make your own money by taking advantage of the intelligence to make deals. There's a wonder, have you read the Escape Key Substack?

• 1:11:51Danny Jones?

  No.

• 1:11:51Speaker 07

  There's a great Substack called Escape Key. So the, the two sources I find the most useful are Whitney Webb and Mark Goodwin on Epstein, and Whitney's books are great. And then, in fact, you should, if you haven't watched Corbett's 9/11 Trillions, he does a great thing on how

• 1:12:11Danny Jones?

  Is that a documentary?

• 1:12:12Speaker 07

  It's a video that he made on how the money works and all the covert cashless, but he gets into the missing money on 9/11.

• 1:12:20Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:12:21Speaker 07

  And does a very good job. And then, and then there's a Substack called Escape Key who really studies the nuts and bolts of how they're building the programmable money side of the control grid, and how Epstein was critical in financing it along the way, including financing Bitcoin. So, and you see how he was reinvesting money into the programmable money side to create the distributed ledger technology, which we should talk about because we're at a, an enormous inflection point in the financial system.

• 1:12:52Danny Jones?

  So why do you think that he was so invested in trying to push this programmable money thing? Do you think it was strictly like return on investment, financial gains? Or do you think there was some sort of ideology behind it?

• 1:13:10Speaker 07

  So I, I think it was, I think the push for this was coming from the people who run the financial system and the central bankers. They know that, one, to keep the dollar dominant, you need to do various things to, you know, give yourself more market share or maintain your market share. But they also knew that, so go back to 1995, when they said they have given up on the country.

• 1:13:43Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:43Speaker 07

  Here's what happened.

• 1:13:48Speaker 07

  In 1913, when we created the Federal Reserve, that was a balance of power in the republic form of government, where the central bankers run monetary policy.

• 1:13:59Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:14:00Speaker 07

  And then the legislative branch and executive branch run fiscal policy.

• 1:14:04Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:14:05Speaker 07

  So this is money printing and this is tax collection and credit, you know, manufacturing. Okay? That's a balance of power. The people here, the bankers here. Okay? When they said, "We've given up on the country," I think what they decided to do was digital technology gives us the ability to control fiscal policy through the banking system. And if you create programmable money along with sufficient surveillance systems, the bankers can run both monetary and fiscal policy. And I think a decision was made in 1995. That's it. We give up. We're going to build the machinery necessary to also take control of fiscal policy

• 1:14:50Speaker 07

  and replace the, replace any real power the legislative branch, elections, or the executive branch have to run fiscal policy. And part of what Epstein was doing was clearly helping to prototype and, and create things to figure that out.

• 1:15:11Danny Jones?

  To help people like him run the world?

• 1:15:14Speaker 07

  I didn't see Epstein as being very important or powerful. I just, he was a, he was a... You've seen the movie with George Clooney where he's, he's the fixer?

• 1:15:29Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:29Speaker 07

  What's the name of that? I forget that movie. But Epstein was a facilitator.

• 1:15:34Danny Jones?

  Right. Have you seen Breaking Bad?

• 1:15:37Speaker 07

  I've seen a few episodes. I find it very depressing, so I haven't watched it.

• 1:15:41Danny Jones?

  Yeah, there's a, there's a good analogy to a guy. There was, there was a guy, um, what was the bald guy's name in Breaking Bad? The old grumpy guy? Mike? Mike. Mike. He ran around and talked to all the big cartel drug dealers or whatever, and he had to go back to the guy's cooking.

• 1:15:56Speaker 07

  Right.

• 1:15:56Danny Jones?

  And be like, "Look, this is how much you gotta fucking give us. Get this done by Friday and we'll get you the money," or whatever. Like, yeah.

• 1:16:03Speaker 07

  And he's running the covert SWIFT system, right?

• 1:16:05Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:16:06Speaker 07

  It's kind of a communication function.

• 1:16:09Danny Jones?

  That makes sense.

• 1:16:10Speaker 07

  So I, you know, there's no way someone like Epstein can operate without, given the surveillance that we're under, there's no way, even in those days, Epstein can operate and move money around without a certain level of the US intelligence agencies and the bankers knowing everything he's doing.

• 1:16:36Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:16:37Speaker 07

  I mean, you know, there's no way.

• 1:16:41Danny Jones?

  And the blackmail side of it, you don't need him for that either, because now the phones and, and everything, your TV, your, your washer and dryer are listening to you and spying on you.

• 1:16:49Speaker 07

  So let me explain something. So, so in the 90s, I went on the board. Do you remember the bank in Washington that went down? And Clifford, Clark Clifford and the guy was married to Wonder Woman?

• 1:17:04Danny Jones?

  No.

• 1:17:04Speaker 07

  For bankers? You're probably too young, Dan. Anyway, so, so, but there was this huge scandal. It was called First American. And Harry Albright was brought in by the Morgenthau in New York to, to, to be the chairman of the bank and clean it up. And Harry called me and said, "Would you go on the board with me? I need, I need people on the board. He'll help me clean this up." And so, huge scandal. And I'm out in this, I had this big sort of glass house out in McLean. And Harry sends a Brink truck from the law firm with all the documents, thousands of pages. And these guys bring in a pallet full of these, just thousands of pages of documents. And I had this huge living room with a glass window overlooking the,

• 1:17:48Speaker 07

  you know, the Potomac was very beautiful. And they lay out all these documents. And I spent four days just reading all the documents. And when it was over, I put my head in my hands and said, you know, because all of this corruption had to be approved by Treasury, the New York Fed, you know, it, it could only be done with complete institutional approval.

• 1:18:12Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:18:12Speaker 07

  There was no, there was no scandal here. This was an institutional thing. It, it had all been approved. And it was B C, it was the BCCI scandal. And the fight, Harry was trying to get the money back for the depositors and the Department of Justice was trying to keep all the money for themselves. Right? So that was the fight. And Morgenthau was trying to protect the depositors and DOJ wanted the money for their asset forfeiture fund is what I think the money went into. But anyway, that's when I realized, oh, you know, these things. I'll, I'll give you another example. So Helen Shapman wrote a book called JP Madoff about the relationship between JP Morgan Chase and Madoff.

• 1:18:52Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:18:52Speaker 07

  And I had her on the Solari Report. We're in the middle of the interview. And she had been an investor in Madoff. And then when things blew up, she was a very, very capable and successful New York financial institution litigator. So she decided to help the victims, got laws passed so they could get tax refunds, and ended up doing a lot of Madoff litigation. And so was one of the litigators who knew the most about Madoff, got the documents, went through everything. Okay, so, so I have her on the show. She wrote this book. And she's explaining that Madoff, his business, he had two businesses. He had a brokerage firm and then this money management firm with all the, with the Ponzi scheme in it.

• 1:19:35Speaker 07

  And she was explaining from the mid 90s on that the asset management business only had one bank account. And that bank account was at JP Morgan Chase. So I said to her, "Okay, well," and remember, this is $60 billion of money. I said, "If JP Morgan Chase was the bank account, who was the securities custodian?" And she said, "No one, because he never bought any securities." And I said, "Wait a minute, Helen. What that means is JP Morgan Chase controlled. Madoff wasn't in control. JP Morgan Chase was in control. Because if, if no money's ever going to securities and they know it, then they know it's a Ponzi scheme.

• 1:20:18Speaker 07

  And he can't operate unless they're willing to affect his transactions, which means they have some kind of, you know, intelligence or national security umbrella to be doing this. Right?

• 1:20:30Danny Jones?

  Whoa.

• 1:20:30Speaker 07

  I mean, under the know your customer laws of banking, you, you can't, you can't allow a Ponzi scheme year after year after year after year. I mean, that went from mid 90s, I mean, 10 years of Ponzi scheme, no securities. So, so I said JP Morgan. And apparently, what I was told was that Morgan, JP Morgan Chase had eight or nine billion of deposits sitting there from Madoff earning no interest. So they're getting free financing.

• 1:21:05Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 1:21:06Speaker 07

  Right. Which is, and, and you have to ask the question, why'd they let it go down? Because they, I mean, you could've just printed money and kept it going.

• 1:21:14Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:21:15Speaker 07

  So I, you know, what the final story was, I don't know, but...

• 1:21:19Danny Jones?

  That's so crazy.

• 1:21:20Speaker 07

  Well, but, and it was some of that money that was financing the brain research. So...

• 1:21:25Danny Jones?

  The brain research.

• 1:21:26Speaker 07

  Well, it's like what I saw at HUD, the covert, um, you know, you had so much money being pulled out of the mortgage fraud to finance, you know?

• 1:21:41Danny Jones?

  Crazy spooky stuff.

• 1:21:42Speaker 07

  Right.

• 1:21:43Danny Jones?

  What, what specific type of brains research are you talking about?

• 1:21:48Speaker 07

  I, it was, it was things, my impression when I read it, and it was a long time ago when I looked at, it was when Madoff first blew up that I looked at all of this stuff. So if you go back and listen to the Helen Shapman interview on Solari Report, it was at that time.

• 1:22:02Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:22:02Speaker 07

  But it was all sorts of original research on memory and how the brain works and, you know? I, I don't remember the details.

• 1:22:14Danny Jones?

  Wow. You know, you know what's funny is we had, you know, Epstein was super into like the parapsychology stuff. And like, you know, um, who was the guy, the Stargate guy who lives in Israel? Oh God, why am I forgetting his name? Yuri Geller. We had, we had this gentleman by the name of Dean Radin. We did a, we did a Patreon episode with him. And he was explaining to me, because he was in the Epstein files. And I was like, I was like, what, why were you in the Epstein files? He goes, um, he wanted to do a 20 minute, a Skype call with me to ask me about my research in, in parapsychology and, um...

• 1:23:02Danny Jones?

  What's the, I forget what the word is, when you can move objects with your mind? Telekinesis?

• 1:23:06Speaker 07

  Telekinesis.

• 1:23:07Danny Jones?

  And he's like, so I got in a 20 minute, and he's like, I had no reason to question this guy. He's like, all I knew about him was that he was very wealthy and he had financed a lot of my colleagues.

• 1:23:17Speaker 07

  Right.

• 1:23:17Danny Jones?

  A lot of the smartest people I know. So of course I'm gonna do a 20 minute Skype call with him. And he's like, we sat on this, on the Skype call for 20 minutes and he just asked me to tell him stories about spoon bending.

• 1:23:28Danny Jones?

  And I was like, that's so strange. For a guy like him, you wouldn't expect him to be so fascinated and stuff like that.

• 1:23:33Speaker 07

  Well, here, just remember, if you're trying to run the world and you're trying to centralize control, you know, if the human race wakes up and discovers its powers, the powers of its mind, of our minds to, you know, whether, have you ever seen the flying yogis?

• 1:23:52Danny Jones?

  Not that I can remember. The flying yogis?

• 1:23:53Speaker 07

  Yogis who literally can lift themselves off the ground.

• 1:23:56Danny Jones?

  I don't think so.

• 1:23:57Speaker 07

  And do the equivalent of flying. Yeah, it's unbelievable.

• 1:23:59Danny Jones?

  This, this is a real thing?

• 1:24:00Speaker 07

  Yeah. Yeah. Look it up. Look up flying yogis.

• 1:24:03Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:24:04Speaker 07

  A huge book from one of the yoga groups, yoga, and with pictures of all these different meanings of flying yoga. It's amazing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's, this is very real. Flying yogis.

• 1:24:16Speaker 01

  I mean, I'm getting a lot of yoga.

• 1:24:19Speaker 07

  Can you pull?

• 1:24:20Speaker 01

  It's just yoga. Oh, here we go. No, there's no way.

• 1:24:23Danny Jones?

  That's not real.

• 1:24:24Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:24:25Danny Jones?

  Those people aren't really floating.

• 1:24:26Speaker 07

  Well, I don't know if that particular one is real, but the phenomenon is very, very real.

• 1:24:30Danny Jones?

  Ask the AI, ask Google AI, it'll say, what is flying yogis?

• 1:24:35Danny Jones?

  It's gonna debunk it for sure. Flying yogis is an advanced practice of the transcendental meditation program, where participants sit cross-legged in the lotus position and move forward in a series of short hops, rather than true levitation.

• 1:24:48Speaker 07

  I'm not so sure that's correct.

• 1:24:50Danny Jones?

  And introduced in 1970s by Maharshi Mahishi Yogi as a part of the TM Siddhi program.

• 1:25:02Danny Jones?

  Proponent claims, supporters state that the practice generates high brainwave coherence, inner bliss, and a collective societal influence called Mahishi.

• 1:25:11Speaker 07

  So I have this huge book that was a gift that shows and documents all these different events.

• 1:25:17Danny Jones?

  Oh, that's fascinating.

• 1:25:18Speaker 07

  Yeah. Well, you've seen the, also the, the magicians who can, you know, the, it's not as much as this, but they, you know, a couple, they levitate a couple inches off the ground. So I, I think if the human race woke up to everything that we could do, both individually and a shared consciousness, you know, it would be a real problem for centralization.

• 1:25:43Danny Jones?

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• 1:26:28Danny Jones?

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• 1:27:12Danny Jones?

  I mean, I'm sure you probably, I'm sure you probably heard it. This thing that came out with Jared Kushner recently, where this, there was this guy, this author who...

• 1:27:20Speaker 07

  Matthew Cole?

• 1:27:21Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:27:22Speaker 07

  So I just, I just ordered the book. I haven't, I ordered in the Netherlands, so when I get back next week, I'll have it there.

• 1:27:30Danny Jones?

  So allegedly, the GRU, Russian military intelligence, got access to Jared Kushner's phone, where they could...

• 1:27:38Speaker 07

  I thought it was Dutch, the Dutch intelligence.

• 1:27:40Danny Jones?

  Well, the, there was a Dutch guy who flipped one of the GRU guys, who basically recruited him. And so then the Dutch got access to it as well. So it was Dutch and GRU. And interesting, interesting why they didn't tip off the United States, because, you know, the Dutch and the United States are allies. But they had footage, like screen recordings of his bank accounts where he had like, I don't know, billions of dollars, like $6 billion. Maybe you can find out the actual number, Steve. And money in these bank accounts from the UAE, and maybe Qatar or something else?

• 1:28:19Speaker 07

  So he raised, his company raised billions, several billion from the Saudis, from their wealth fund. And it was, who was it? Someone did an investigative report on it, because it was so unprecedented. The committee apparently was against it, but MBS overruled them. And it was sort of, because it's very rare that you give somebody that much money who has no experience in the business.

• 1:28:45Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:46Speaker 07

  His business is real estate, and...

• 1:28:47Danny Jones?

  He famously has like no, he's like failed at everything he's ever done.

• 1:28:54Danny Jones?

  He's like, all of his real estate things that he's done in New York have all, they pretty much all failed. And like, he's never been a successful businessman in anything. And from, just from what I've, from what I've heard people talk about with this, and it was like very strange that he would have all these billions of dollars, and like, what was he doing with it? Why was he getting it? Did it have, and there was people that had speculated that it might have something to do with like, how Trump stood up for MBS after the Khashoggi thing, where they cut him up in the embassy?

• 1:29:29Danny Jones?

  And basically like laundered, laundered his reputation. And there could have been some shady financial dealing with that, but I don't know if you knew anything about that story.

• 1:29:37Speaker 07

  So I don't, you know, I, I know something about the, the story of the assassination, but...

• 1:29:42Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Did you find anything on that story, Steve?

• 1:29:45Speaker 07

  So let me make a suggestion. We have a collection at Solari called Vectors of Grift, that we published a month ago. And what happened was, Mike Robinson at UK Column asked me if I would write a story with him, a report on the grift that's going on, because it's so transparent. It's so unbelievably public now. You know, I was in the Bush administration, so I've seen a lot of grift, but

• 1:30:11Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:30:12Speaker 07

  they were much more cautious about how blunt, that, you know, now it's just really out in the open.

• 1:30:17Danny Jones?

  They don't care.

• 1:30:18Speaker 07

  And, and so what happened was, I decide, I said, look, Mike, what I will do is I will write a list of all the different models, because what I found is my, the Solari Report subscribers don't understand them. They understand insider trading, but they don't understand, there were 21 models, they don't understand how all the models work. And to see the grift, you have to understand the business model, the, the transaction model. So I will make a list of all the models, and then I will give examples of each model that are relatively recent. So everybody knows Nancy Pelosi, you know, outperformed Warren Buffett, things like that. So, so we did, and I said, I wanna publish, he, he wrote the article.

• 1:31:01Speaker 07

  I made the models and the examples, he wrote the article. And then I said, I wanna publish this list of models and examples for subscribers. So it's up on Solari. And I think I sent you the link yesterday. It's called Vectors of Grift.

• 1:31:14Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:31:15Speaker 07

  And I couldn't stop, I was amazed when I finished it, because, you know, I knew how bad the grift was, but I had not begun to believe how over the top it was. The grift, right now, and it's, you know, it's total uniparty. The grift is beyond anything you can imagine. It's unbelievable. And the problem is, it's a huge drain on the economy. Because the more you put money into things that are there to control or to reward grifters, the less productive investment you have. And so the, the, you know, it's like a tapeworm. We, we have a tapeworm, and the tapeworm is draining the host.

• 1:32:00Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:32:01Speaker 07

  New technology has the potential to create extraordinary new wealth. And the question is, are we just gonna use that wealth, you know, to feed the tapeworm? Or are we gonna do something productive?

• 1:32:11Danny Jones?

  Right. So I had this woman on recently, Sharon Weinberger, who's, wrote a book about the tech, the tech business and DARPA, the history of DARPA and all that stuff. And, and her high level view of all the money that companies like DARPA are getting,

• 1:32:28Danny Jones?

  and, you know, even up to the level of like the TSA, with all the technology they get with their, with their scanning technology and everything, is they basically get like this blank check of money, because they have to do with national security and war and stuff like that. So they're just coming up with bullshit.

• 1:32:44Speaker 07

  You're buying, you're, you're buying political support.

• 1:32:50Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:32:50Speaker 07

  You're spreading the money around and buying, everybody will go along as long as they get a check. Whether...

• 1:32:57Danny Jones?

  Right. And the point that she was making was like, they don't give a shit how good their stuff works.

• 1:33:01Speaker 07

  Right.

• 1:33:01Danny Jones?

  As long as they can put a, you know, a nice label on it and it looks cool, and it has a good story behind it, like, the government will buy it.

• 1:33:09Speaker 07

  Well, but there's something else, and that, you know, it's a...

• 1:33:13Speaker 07

  You know, it's just another excuse to pump out more money. And remember, a lot of that money, let's say I have a company and my company's trading at 20 times earnings. So for every dollar I make, the stock goes up $20. If I can get a government contract for $1 million, the stock will go up 20 million, right? And so I, from a political matter, I don't need the thing I pay the contract for or the product or the sale for to work.

• 1:33:40Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:33:41Speaker 07

  I just need an excuse to pump up the stock some more. So you're just shifting money, you're shoveling money out of the government and out of the bond market into stocks and pushing it up. And that's why, you know, one of the things I wanted to talk to you today is bubble economics, because we are at a real inflection point with bubble economics. And most Americans who have no idea that this is happening are heavily concentrated in a relatively small number of companies in complete violation of every standard rule of diversification. And so there's a huge retirement bet on financing the control grid. So people are literally financing their own prison.

• 1:34:25Danny Jones?

  How is that working? How does that work?

• 1:34:28Speaker 07

  So let's say I have a brokerage account, an IRA and a 401K.

• 1:34:34Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:34:35Speaker 07

  Okay. And in my brokerage account and my 401K and my IRA, I have money in stock index funds, right? And it's an S and P 500 index fund. And so, and, and different kinds of sort of large cap index funds. And then, and, and, and then I have bond funds. And then in one of them, maybe I have some 401, some private equity or stocks of private equity firms. And it looks to me like I have money broadly diversified. I have an index fund with thousands of stocks in it and I have bond funds with many different kinds of bonds and I have private equity.

• 1:35:17Speaker 07

  And I think I'm broadly diversified, when in fact, I probably have 35 to 55% of my money in 10 to 12 hyperscalers who are making the data, you know, who are using the data centers and a couple of AI stocks, including chip stocks. So I can have extraordinary percentage of my portfolio. You know, if I look at my statements, I have to click down 10 times to find out what it's really in. But in fact, I have so much in 10 to 12 companies, it's frightening. And, and part of that is.

• 1:35:56Danny Jones?

  Oh, sorry, we'll look at this after you get done.

• 1:35:59Speaker 07

  Part of it is because, you know, those companies have bubbled. I sent you a chart that showed you how much those companies have bubbled in the index. But also they're.

• 1:36:11Danny Jones?

  I sent you an email. I forwarded you her email that she sent me that had all these charts on it, Steve. I forwarded it to you, I believe, this morning.

• 1:36:16Speaker 07

  Right. And, and, and, but also, no, not that, let's look at that second. I want to look at the three.

• 1:36:26Danny Jones?

  Yeah, just pull up the email, you'll see it in there.

• 1:36:28Speaker 07

  Yeah, they're in the email. They are issuing bonds off balance sheet using LLCs like Enron. And, and those bonds are then being sold into bond funds. So if I look at a bond fund, I don't even know that that is, you know, I've got huge meta positions in the index funds.

• 1:36:51Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:36:52Speaker 07

  And I don't realize those bonds and the bond funds are also meta or that over in the private equity portfolio, they're also got meta. So I don't see my meta position across the board unless I click way, way down.

• 1:37:05Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:37:06Speaker 07

  Really investigate what I'm in. So here, I'll show you. So this is a chart from 2023 on.

• 1:37:13Danny Jones?

  All right, we're back.

• 1:37:14Speaker 07

  Yeah, that shows you three lines. The top line is a basket of AI stocks and that includes the hyperscalers, which are the ones that are using the data centers. So it's Oracle, Microsoft, Amazon, Google, Meta.

• 1:37:27Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:37:28Speaker 07

  Okay. And then the blue line is the S and P 500.

• 1:37:31Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:37:32Speaker 07

  Okay. And then the black line is the average stock. Okay. So what you see is you've had enormous money. If you go back through history, Danny, what you see is whenever there's a big new technology, you get a bubble. So railroads, internet, dot, the, you know, dot com was the internet. Okay. And it's the same thing. And if you look at the, the PEs in the market, we're sort of at the dot com level.

• 1:37:59Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:38:00Speaker 07

  You know, a little bit higher. Okay. So, so as you get this over concentration, as these stocks get bubbled, then it becomes a bigger and bigger percent of your portfolio.

• 1:38:11Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:38:12Speaker 07

  And then when new money comes in, let's say I buy an index fund today, the, because of the way the index is sorted, then you automatically put more in. So you get this feedback loop where as more money comes into the stock market, it's all going into a large percentage of these stocks, which are now such a big percentage.

• 1:38:32Danny Jones?

  So by people just passively investing in something like the S and P 500, they are.

• 1:38:36Speaker 07

  They're fueling the bubble.

• 1:38:37Danny Jones?

  They're fueling the tech bubble because the S and P 500 is heavily reliant on the tech stuff.

• 1:38:42Speaker 07

  Right. But because they're buying things which are described as, as packages, you know, index this or bond fund this or that, they're not looking.

• 1:38:51Danny Jones?

  Of course.

• 1:38:52Speaker 07

  You know, I was shocked when I became an investment advisor in, so it's 2007. I was shocked because I would have to click down for 10 levels to find out what something was in. And this one would be called an ESG fund and this one would be a large cap. And I'd click down and click down and click down. They're all on the same thing.

• 1:39:14Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:15Speaker 07

  Right? It's just packaging.

• 1:39:17Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:39:18Speaker 07

  It's like wrapping paper. Anyway.

• 1:39:20Danny Jones?

  And isn't, isn't a heavy amount of the investors in these tech companies, isn't this coming from like the Gulf state countries who are exporting oil and taking the dollar or trying to trade with the dollar?

• 1:39:31Speaker 07

  So you absolutely have money coming in internationally, but you have an enormous amount of institutional money in the United States, 401K. I mean, you've got 20, more than 20, the last time, when I did our pension fund study in 2017, it's 25 trillion in US retirement savings and now it's much more. So you have a significant amount of, of retail investors. Go to, go to the next chart and let me show you. So we now have 48% of US households have major money in stocks. Okay. So US households have 48% of their money in the stock market because they poured money into IRAs, 401Ks.

• 1:40:15Danny Jones?

  The dot com peak compared to the peak we're at right now.

• 1:40:18Speaker 07

  Exactly. So.

• 1:40:20Danny Jones?

  So it's a little bit below 40% at the peak of the dot com bubble and now we're at 48% of the US households.

• 1:40:25Speaker 07

  Right. And in Europe, it's 20 to 25% and it's even lower in Asia. So US is much more invested retail in the stock market. Okay, go to the next one. This is what is really scary. So, um, stock market leverage, so people buying on margin is at a record high and much higher than it was during the dot com.

• 1:40:45Danny Jones?

  People buying what?

• 1:40:46Speaker 07

  Buying stocks on leverage, on margin. So they're borrowing.

• 1:40:49Danny Jones?

  What does that mean?

• 1:40:50Speaker 07

  Uh, you don't, you, you buy a stock and you buy it on margin. Let's say you buy it on 50% margin. So the stock costs $100 and you put up 50 and then you borrow 50 from the brokerage firm.

• 1:41:01Danny Jones?

  Oh, I didn't even know that was a thing.

• 1:41:03Speaker 07

  Yeah, it's margins, leverage. Now, so, um, the next thing I want to show you, because, so, so we are in an unprecedented bubble, like the dot com bubble or like the bubbles before. But what I want to show you is why I think there's a possibility the bubble could go much higher. And that's dangerous because again, you're sucking all the capital in to pay for the control grid. So people are financing their own.

• 1:41:33Danny Jones?

  So real, real quick, just so I can understand this, you're saying, so the peak we're at right now, 4.5% of US GDP.

• 1:41:44Speaker 07

  So, so margin debt is, is now equivalent to 4.5% of GDP.

• 1:41:50Danny Jones?

  Oh, shit.

• 1:41:52Speaker 07

  And it's gone up a lot in the last year.

• 1:41:54Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:41:56Speaker 07

  So let's go to the PDF of the slides that we looked at first. I want to show you just some of the slides, not all of them. So go down, click down and, okay, stop, go back up. Okay, so I want to show you a couple of things. Go back up. One more, one more.

• 1:42:21Speaker 07

  One more.

• 1:42:24Speaker 07

  Okay. So, the Genius Act passed last year in 2025 and approved a regulatory framework for payment stable coins. And the idea, the Genius Act will go into effect at the beginning of next year, 2027. And the goal is to reach out through the mobile payment system and the crypto rails and bring in people from all around the world into using US payment stable coins, which essentially are collateralized by treasuries. So it's a way of saying to people around the world, use this crypto, it's like trading a little treasury bill, as a currency.

• 1:43:07Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:43:08Speaker 07

  Right? So, go back to when the Berlin Wall fell down, came down, and we had East Germany and West Germany. I was in Washington, everybody said, oh, it'll take years to merge the countries, we have to have meetings and events and treaties and everything else. And Hermann Kohl, who was the chancellor of West Germany, just offered a sweet premium for the East German currency, and literally, the country was merged overnight through the currency. He tendered for the East Germans through the currency. It's like one company tendering for the stock of another company.

• 1:43:46Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:43:47Speaker 07

  Right? Okay. So, he tendered. So, we're gonna go out, for example, I live in the Netherlands, so we're gonna go out to everybody in Europe and say, you know, the euro's going down, use American stable coins as your currency, as your payment system, and get them off of their local currency and onto the dollar. So, the hope is to bring 4 billion new customers into using the dollar instead of their local currency.

• 1:44:13Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:44:14Speaker 07

  Okay. Right. And that's not only gonna happen-

• 1:44:17Danny Jones?

  How would governments allow this?

• 1:44:18Speaker 07

  Well, I think some are gonna try and stop it. You know, and they're coming out with their own stable coins, too, to compete.

• 1:44:24Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:44:25Speaker 07

  But, it's not just gonna happen around the world, it's gonna happen in your local community. So, right now, you have lots of banks in Florida who are circulating loans, you know, in the local area, but if everybody leaves their bank deposit and goes into a stable coin, the money will go into the treasury market instead of going into the banking system.

• 1:44:49Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:44:50Speaker 07

  Right. So, so the fintech firms and the big banks are gonna be competing with your local banks to get that money into the treasury market through stable coins and out of the local banking system.

• 1:45:03Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:45:04Speaker 07

  So, you could hear a giant sucking sound of money being centralized, right?

• 1:45:08Danny Jones?

  So, it's getting out of the small, local banks and credit unions in your neighborhood and to the main central banks?

• 1:45:15Speaker 07

  Potentially. Now-

• 1:45:17Danny Jones?

  If this gets, if this happens?

• 1:45:19Speaker 07

  Right. So, Besan has said, you know, by the end of the decade, they're hoping to bring in another 2 to 4 trillion into the treasury market through payment stable coins.

• 1:45:30Danny Jones?

  Bring in another 2 to 3 trillion through stable coins?

• 1:45:34Speaker 07

  2 to 4 trillion into stable coins. So, if you can reach out to 4 billion new customers around the world-

• 1:45:39Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:45:40Speaker 07

  And say, instead of using euro, or, you know, whatever your currency is, use stable coins.

• 1:45:46Danny Jones?

  And is that, does he say that outright? That's how they're gonna bring in the money?

• 1:45:48Speaker 07

  Yeah, so, I'm trying to remember, I have several videos of him projecting different, I think it was 2 to 3 trillion.

• 1:45:55Danny Jones?

  Big George Soros guy.

• 1:45:56Speaker 07

  Right. Right. So, he knows currency, right?

• 1:46:00Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:01Speaker 07

  That was his claim to fame from Soros.

• 1:46:03Danny Jones?

  For sure.

• 1:46:04Speaker 07

  Okay. So, let's go to, but, right now, crypto and stable coins are a tiny percentage of household wealth. You know, 1 to, 1 to 1/2 a percent of Americans' household wealth is in crypto and stable coins. Okay. Let's go down to the next chart. Okay. Now, DTC is the record keeper for ownership of stocks and bonds. DTC has announced that it is going to move or create distributed ledger digital tokens

• 1:46:44Speaker 07

  so that people can trade their stocks and bonds on a distributed ledger using digital tokens. Okay? And many people in the industry were hoping that the Clarity Act would pass this year to create a regulatory framework to do that. When they didn't approve that, the SEC has issued, sort of, it's called an innovation exemption, but created a regulatory framework for them to proceed to do that. Okay? So, now, in addition to our currency being on a distributed ledger with payment stable coins, we're talking about moving stocks and bonds onto distributed ledger with digital tokens. So, let's go-

• 1:47:25Danny Jones?

  Whoa.

• 1:47:26Speaker 07

  Let's go to the next. So, DTC created a pilot, and they're looking to go commercial by the end of the year.

• 1:47:31Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:47:32Speaker 07

  In response, the big banks have announced that they are looking to move their deposits onto a distributed ledger. And, in fact, regional banks are creating a consortium to do the same.

• 1:47:44Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:47:45Speaker 07

  Okay, let's go to the next one. Okay. So, Coinbase, the Coinbase CEO, has said they're gonna use digital tokens to bring 4 billion people worldwide into the stock market. So, we're talking about using the crypto rails and not only reaching out to get 4 billion new people into the dollar through payment stable coins, but 4 billion new people into the stock market. Okay? So, right now, if you're sitting in Peru, it's hard to open an account at Charles Schwab and trade US stocks.

• 1:48:19Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:48:20Speaker 07

  But now, you're talking about making it much easier. One of the things that will make it easier is that the New York Stock Exchange is now going to 24/7 trading. So, this is gonna be like Polly Market and sports betting. You can trade with digital tokens the stock market 24/7. One firm announced that they are going to offer margin on the big mega-cap stocks of up to, are you ready for this? Hold on to your pants, 20 times. So, I put up a dollar to buy Apple stock-

• 1:48:52Danny Jones?

  They put up 19?

• 1:48:53Speaker 07

  And they put up 19.

• 1:48:54Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 1:48:55Speaker 07

  Okay. So, let's go back, because we've seen sports betting go from almost nothing to 600 billion, right? So, imagine, now, the New York Stock Exchange just announced that they are gonna start a partnership with a crypto firm, and by the end of the year, they wanna trade 63 of the largest stocks, AI bubble stocks, right? Hyperscaler data center stocks, all control grid, building the control grid. They wanna, they wanna issue digital tokens on those 63 stocks and be able to trade them. So, imagine this, just, we're in the invention room. By December or January, they're pumping out payment stable coins all around the world.

• 1:49:40Speaker 07

  In theory, that gives them the train tracks to also lend, you know, around the world to retail.

• 1:49:47Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:49:48Speaker 07

  But, then, they're gonna offer through those crypto rails to let you trade 24/7 the 63 biggest stocks in the American market and do it with margin of extraordinary amounts. What do you think's gonna happen?

• 1:50:05Danny Jones?

  Lots of fraud?

• 1:50:08Speaker 07

  Well, a cab driver in Jakarta can, can trade the US stock market, or the 63 mega-caps, if that goes through, 24/7, right?

• 1:50:16Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:50:17Speaker 07

  What do you think's gonna happen? When you bring 4 billion new customers? So, Marc Andreessen, about 6 weeks ago, or 2 months ago, sent out a tweet saying, currently, the US stock market is 68% of the global stock market, but if this all works as we expected, it will be 90%. So, what I'm saying is, the US financial system is about to reach out and try to bring in-

• 1:50:46Danny Jones?

  The world.

• 1:50:47Speaker 07

  The world into the dollar and into our stock markets, and ultimately, our bank deposits, too. Now, hold that thought, and let me show you one thing. All of this depends on that currency and those stocks and bonds and, and bank deposits being on distributed ledger. Okay?

• 1:51:09Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:51:10Speaker 07

  So, let me show you what that means. Okay, so, let's go down-

• 1:51:16Speaker 07

  To the next slide. Okay, I'll just stop and show you this.

• 1:51:19Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:51:20Speaker 07

  So if you look at this chart was made in July. So as of the end of spring, US household net worth was approximately 40 to 55% in securities. And that includes that, you know, households. That number is higher now because of the stock market.

• 1:51:37Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:51:37Speaker 07

  About 23% in real estate and about 5% in bank deposits. Okay. So that's what they have and very, you know, less than 1%.

• 1:51:45Danny Jones?

  That's how the average household's wealth is distributed?

• 1:51:48Speaker 07

  This is household net worth.

• 1:51:49Danny Jones?

  Household net worth, right.

• 1:51:51Speaker 07

  Yeah, in the United States.

• 1:51:52Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:51:53Speaker 07

  Now, remember, they don't necessarily have those securities under in a way that they control it, maybe in a pension fund. And they don't control the investment of that pension fund. Okay, so let's go down. Keep going down, down. Okay, so I want to talk about, okay, go down again.

• 1:52:14Danny Jones?

  You hit the down arrow, Steve. It'll just punch right through them.

• 1:52:18Speaker 07

  Keep going down. Yep, that's the one I want. Okay. So all what they're talking about, here's the financial system. And bank deposits, stocks and bonds, currency. And now they're talking about creating a distributed ledger version of everything here over here. Okay?

• 1:52:41Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:52:41Speaker 07

  So now I can trade my bank deposits, my stocks and bonds, my currency on a distributed ledger.

• 1:52:48Danny Jones?

  24/7.

• 1:52:49Speaker 07

  24/7.

• 1:52:49Danny Jones?

  On your phone.

• 1:52:50Speaker 07

  On my phone, worldwide.

• 1:52:52Danny Jones?

  Worldwide.

• 1:52:53Speaker 07

  Presumably.

• 1:52:54Danny Jones?

  It's like sports, it's like, it's like sports betting.

• 1:52:56Speaker 07

  It's poly market and sports betting, right? So now the stock market is going to compete directly with sports betting. Okay, so, so, hold on. So let's, I want to talk to you about something called the third lock.

• 1:53:10Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:53:10Speaker 07

  Okay. So if you and I do a cash transaction, that's a two-lock transaction. You can lock it, I can lock it. You can say no, I can say no. You can say yes, I can say yes. So we both have a lock.

• 1:53:23Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:53:24Speaker 07

  Okay. What has developed in the banking system as we've passed more and more rules is a third lock, which is the bank has know your customer rules, it has sanctions, it has money laundering rules, and the bank can say, no, that transaction can't happen.

• 1:53:41Danny Jones?

  Yeah, this has happened to me a lot recently.

• 1:53:43Speaker 07

  Right, so, so, yeah, so people like you and I discover things like this. So they can implement a third lock, but that third lock is not particularly automated. It's manual. Somebody has to look at it, review it and say, yeah, you know, I think that should happen. If you look at what happened to the Canadian truckers, the government had to give them documents to the banks. Not every bank would go along. You know, you couldn't do it all at once. It was, it was a manual process and it was sticky.

• 1:54:13Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:13Speaker 07

  Okay, now, if I have enough data centers and I can do spatial surveillance and I can do financial transaction surveillance of the whole dollar system worldwide, right? I have the data capacity to do that if I can build enough data centers, then I have the ability to do what we call an automated third lock, which is rather than the bank stop that transaction, the AI and the algorithm can just stop that transaction. Okay? Which gives me the ability, based on my surveillance of you and my algorithm for you, to manage

• 1:54:56Speaker 07

  your financial transactions and to control them. So if you don't take your shot during the pandemic, I can freeze your money or I can apply a special.

• 1:55:06Danny Jones?

  The same way YouTube during the pandemic, if you made a video about different alternative treatments to COVID, they would shut down your YouTube channel or take you, just completely deplatform you or demonetize you. They could do that with your real money.

• 1:55:17Speaker 07

  But this can be all automated so that if you go to, so we're dealing with all these imposters, right? And we have to go to Meta or we have to go to X or we have to go to Instagram or Tik Tok and say, please take it down. This algorithm in the financial system, remember when I said the bankers want to run fiscal policy? They can run this above the institutional level. There's no bank or court, there's no customer service to call.

• 1:55:47Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:55:48Speaker 07

  They just freeze or shut off your money. So the Biden administration, the, and you know, I think I showed you videos next time and I have some of the videos here if you want to see them, but, or can we just pull up the Carsons video?

• 1:56:03Danny Jones?

  Yeah, sure, where is it?

• 1:56:04Speaker 07

  Okay, so Steve, go to solari.com and then pull up the menu and then over under resources, go to video shorts.

• 1:56:16Danny Jones?

  Right hand column, resources.

• 1:56:18Speaker 07

  Yeah, go to video shorts. There it is. Okay, go down and click on financial transaction freedom.

• 1:56:25Danny Jones?

  Top one, left.

• 1:56:26Speaker 07

  Yeah. Okay, play, play this video.

• 1:56:30Danny Jones?

  Okay, cool. My headphones are here so you can hear it, so we can hear it.

• 1:56:37Speaker 07

  On CBDC in particular for the use of general, to the general use, we tend to establish the equivalence with cash. And there is a huge difference there. For example, in cash, we don't know, for example, who is using a $100 bill today. We don't know who is using a $1,000 bill today. A key difference in with the CBDC is that central bank will have absolute control on the rules and regulations that will determine the use of that expression of central bank liability. And also we will have the technology to enforce that.

• 1:57:21Speaker 07

  Those are, those two issues are extremely important and that makes a huge difference with respect to what, to what cash is. Okay, now skip down, yeah, watch this. So this is the, the president of the Minneapolis Fed. And when they, when they say CBDC, realize it's just programmable money. Private stable coins are much more dangerous than CBDC, much more dangerous, and we should talk about that. But when he says CBDC, think all programmable money, not just issued by the central bank.

• 1:57:56Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:57:57Speaker 07

  Okay, go ahead and play that. Keep asking anybody, anybody at the Fed or outside of the Fed to explain to me what problem this is solving. I can send anybody in this room $5 with Venmo right now. Right? No, seriously, so what is it that a CBDC could do that Venmo can't do? And all I get is a bunch of hand waving. I get a bunch, well, maybe it's better for financial inclusion. Maybe it's better for cross-border remittances, maybe. Is there any evidence that it is? And, you know, they say, well, what about China? China is doing it. Well, I can see why China would do it. If they want to monitor every one of your transactions, you could do that with the central bank digital currency. You can't do that with Venmo. If you want to impose negative interest rates, you could do that with the central bank digital currency. You can't do that with Venmo.

• 1:58:39Speaker 07

  And if you want to directly tax customer accounts, you could do that with the central bank digital currency. You can't do that with Venmo. So I get why China would be interested. Why would the American people be for that?

• 1:58:51Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:58:53Speaker 07

  Okay, so, anyway, so, so that's an automatic third lock because when he says we have the technology to enforce it, they can make the rules of how you use your money and they can enforce them centrally.

• 1:59:03Danny Jones?

  Yeah, but Venmo can do that too, though. Like can't, can't Venmo and these other, um, things like this, they can also.

• 1:59:09Speaker 07

  You know, credit cards can do some of this.

• 1:59:12Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:12Speaker 07

  But if you're going to do this on scale where, where I have an individual algorithm for each person, the equivalent of a social credit system.

• 1:59:21Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:22Speaker 07

  You, you really want to have distributed ledger technology. Because if you're going to automate it, it's going to be better. But in theory, you could do it with credit cards. I mean, credit cards have been used to, you know, they have rules about what you can and cannot buy with your credit card, et cetera.

• 1:59:38Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:59:39Speaker 07

  So.

• 1:59:39Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:59:41Speaker 07

  But, but what they want to, what, what this whole infrastructure of digital ID data centers and the AI is for, well, certainly the data centers and the digital ID and programmable money is to give the bankers complete control of fiscal policy. So we are back, if it works, we are back to taxation with no representation at all. It's a coup.

• 2:00:11Danny Jones?

  And so you're saying that the bankers in partnership with the AI companies can have total and full control over the global population.

• 2:00:29Speaker 07

  Over the population within the infrastructure.

• 2:00:33Danny Jones?

  Within that infrastructure.

• 2:00:34Speaker 07

  Within that infrastructure. So if you look at the infrastructure being built in the US, we have a paper that we just published by two PhDs from MIT engineers. And what it describes is here's how much data center capacity you need to run our civilization. And here's how much data center capacity they're building, which is many times more than what you need to run our civilization. And so the question is, what is that for?

• 2:01:02Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:01:03Speaker 07

  And what it's for, I believe, is control. Because it's only this kind of control with spatial surveillance. And then, you know, essentially, the equivalent of a social credit system automated, an automatic third lock applying to everybody for the whole dollar system. That's the only thing I can come up with that would use that capacity.

• 2:01:27Speaker 07

  And that's the capacity they're building. But here's the little secret. It's the American people who are using their retirement systems to finance it. We are funding it. We are, you know, many of us are going to work and implementing it, but many of us are funding it. And the tragedy is if you look at a thousand people meeting, trying to talk their city council out of building a data center. If you look at their IRAs and 401Ks, they're financing the data center.

• 2:01:55Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:01:56Speaker 07

  So your, you know, your portfolio is bedding the ranch that that data center gets built. But you are down at city council, trying to talk the city council people out of implementing it with a huge amount of taxpayer benefits and money.

• 2:02:11Danny Jones?

  That's insane.

• 2:02:12Speaker 07

  So we just published two articles. One, we commissioned Taylor Hudak to write two articles. One on taxpayers' money going into the data centers and then the private retirement, US retirement savings going in. And we have a special article we wrote on how, if you're in an IRA and 401K, that's a lot of this, what you can do to make sure you are either not financing your enemy or diversifying your portfolio. So it's not deeply dependent on the AI bubble.

• 2:02:45Danny Jones?

  Well, it's kind of like a, it's a difficult thing, right? Because if you want to beat inflation, you have to bet on the stocks that are beating it the best, right? Like, the name of the game is you gotta earn your money, take that money and put it to work so it can continue to beat inflation. That's the only way you can win the game.

• 2:03:07Speaker 07

  That is the spin they use to honey trap you.

• 2:03:11Speaker 07

  And often, if you look at history, it's pump and dump, pump and dump. And retail net comes out a lot of times worse. Sometimes not, you know, they always want to have.

• 2:03:20Danny Jones?

  Retail net comes out worse.

• 2:03:22Speaker 07

  Yeah, so, for example, the BIS did a study on Bitcoin in 2022. And what they discovered is throughout time, even though the whales have made a fortune, retail had lost money on Bitcoin because they buy high and sell low.

• 2:03:35Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:03:36Speaker 07

  Right? So they get played. So, you know, if you're gonna, if you're gonna, here's what I'm gonna tell you as an investor. You are sitting at an inflection point where we are in an unprecedented bubble, higher than the dot com bubble. At the same time, if you look at the tools amassing, they're amassing to drive it higher, it could go much higher. And you need to decide, do you want to finance your enemy or not? And how are you going to protect yourself in a bubble? Because bubbles always burst, it's a matter of time. This bubble at some point will burst. Now.

• 2:04:09Danny Jones?

  And what will happen when it bursts?

• 2:04:12Speaker 07

  At the dot com bubble, so when the dot com bubble burst, guess how much Amazon stock went down?

• 2:04:18Danny Jones?

  A ton.

• 2:04:19Speaker 07

  94%.

• 2:04:21Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that's crazy.

• 2:04:22Speaker 07

  Right, okay. So, you know, there are many things you can do to protect yourself. But the first thing you have to decide is, do you want to finance your, do you want to finance your own prison? Number one. And number two, if you don't, what are the alternatives? Because there are many alternatives, that's a whole nother conversation. But three, if you are going to play the bubble, how are you going to protect yourself when the bubble bursts? And because, you know, if there's one rule we've ever learned in investment is don't get over concentrated in anything.

• 2:04:56Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:04:57Speaker 07

  Right. Unless, of course, you know, you're building a business. I'm hugely over concentrated, but that's a choice. You have to make this choice explicitly. Don't look at your statements and think you're wildly diversified when you're not. You need to explicitly, if you are responsible for your family savings, you need to know where your money is and what it's doing and make sure that that's okay with you. You understand it and it's okay with you.

• 2:05:25Danny Jones?

  So what should people do with their money? If not invest it in the stock market and S and P 500? And, you know, any, any stockbroker that you find is going to be throwing your money into this kind of stuff?

• 2:05:39Speaker 07

  So when I became an investment advisor, what I learned was that all my clients, wealthy clients, had been trained by their financial planners to put 100% of their money in the national security state.

• 2:05:51Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:52Speaker 07

  It was basically an extraction model, you know, take, you can't pay for your child's college tuition because you need 25 million in your brokerage account financing the national security.

• 2:06:02Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:06:03Speaker 07

  So, so the first thing you need to do, so if you, if you come into our building wealth, I said that number two was navigation. Number four is living equity and number five is financial equity. Right now, we're talking, if we're talking about your investment in financial assets, we're talking about financial equity. Okay? But there's something called living equity. And living, all wealth comes from life. Okay? It comes from having children, raising them up to be healthy and strong, and they help you build your business. Okay? So, but it comes from life. The number one cause of financial problems in American families and cause for bankruptcy is what?

• 2:06:44Danny Jones?

  Divorce.

• 2:06:45Speaker 07

  Divorce is one of them. Most frightening documentary I ever saw was Divorce Corps. And the game of how they, people getting divorced is extraordinary.

• 2:06:56Danny Jones?

  I've heard stories.

• 2:06:57Speaker 07

  Right, so, so, but divorce is in there, but number one.

• 2:07:02Danny Jones?

  What's the, what's number one?

• 2:07:03Speaker 07

  Health.

• 2:07:04Danny Jones?

  Health, right.

• 2:07:05Speaker 07

  So America's being poisoned. Spray overhead, pharmaceuticals, stuff in the food, bad food, poor nutrition. And I used to have clients who would tell me, I can't afford to buy local fresh food and biodynamic or organic food because I need 25 million in my brokerage account to be safe during my retirement. I was saying, that's nuts. That's nuts. So, so let me ask you this. The first thing you need to live is you need shelter, you need food, you need water, you need energy. Are you getting that food and that water and that energy

• 2:07:50Speaker 07

  and that shelter from people you trust?

• 2:07:57Danny Jones?

  Not most of the time.

• 2:07:59Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 2:07:59Danny Jones?

  Mostly people I don't know.

• 2:08:01Speaker 07

  Right, okay. So, you know, each person is different, which is why it's hard to speak about this generically.

• 2:08:09Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:08:10Speaker 07

  But go through your balance sheet and go through your income statement and start getting out of doing business with people you can't trust into people you can trust. So, for example, do you have a bank you can trust that doesn't de-bank you and play games?

• 2:08:25Danny Jones?

  Right. I, there's been a couple of times in the last couple of years where I've tried to send out wires and have been stopped for up to a month one time because of, they said it was flagged for fraud. When I spent hours on the phone, on the phone with the people at Chase Bank and asking me.

• 2:08:44Speaker 07

  You bank at Chase?

• 2:08:45Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:46Speaker 07

  You're much more courageous than I am.

• 2:08:49Danny Jones?

  It's just convenient, you know? They have the Zelle, they have all this.

• 2:08:53Speaker 07

  It's not convenient. Do you know how many people have been de-banked by Chase like that?

• 2:09:00Danny Jones?

  I've heard.

• 2:09:01Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 2:09:01Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I tried sending a wire and I literally was running, getting run around for two to three weeks before they actually let me do it. I did, I had to go walk into the local branch like five times.

• 2:09:16Speaker 07

  That's the social credit system. It's just subtle.

• 2:09:21Speaker 07

  Right?

• 2:09:22Danny Jones?

  It's, I mean, it's unbelievably frustrating. Like, it made me wanna, it did make me wanna pull all my money out of Chase and switch banks.

• 2:09:27Speaker 07

  Okay, well, you're not, I mean, you should do what you want, but I don't bank with my enemy. So, this all started for me, I have a, we have a great thing, everybody should read it up at Solari called Coming Clean, and it's about going through your life and getting the tape firm out of your life.

• 2:09:43Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:09:43Speaker 07

  Okay? Cause it's risk, it's risk, and it started for me, it was 1998, I was sitting in my little mansion in Washington, writing a check on JP Morgan Chase Private Wealth, and my hand froze, and I said, "Why am I banking with the bank that's doing all this mortgage fraud? Why am I doing that?"

• 2:10:02Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:10:03Speaker 07

  And I said, "I have to come clean," and that's when the coming clean process started. But you've gotta come clean.

• 2:10:08Danny Jones?

  I do have to come clean. All the talking about Epstein we do, I have to get out of Chase Bank.

• 2:10:12Speaker 07

  So, exactly. So, so I, we, if you go to Solari, we have a four-part series called How to Build a Great Relationship, How to Build a Successful Relationship with a Great Bank. Cause what you need is one or two, given that you have a business, you should probably have two banks or credit unions, and what you want is you wanna have a successful relationship. You wanna know decision-makers, and you wanna have a successful relationship, and you want it to work for you.

• 2:10:38Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:10:39Speaker 07

  Okay? And you don't have to rush out of your current account. You wanna start new accounts and build a relationship. Now, the series, we have a four-part series that answers every question you could possibly wanna know, and it's gonna cover a whole bunch of stuff that you might not be interested in.

• 2:10:54Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:10:54Speaker 07

  But it's comprehensive, and you should listen to that, and then you should figure out, who are the great community banks and credit unions in this area, and then you should go find, I have the world's finest bank, I have a great bank, I have a wonderful bank. My credit card and my, and my debit card works anywhere in the world, and if there's a problem, I can call them up and get service.

• 2:11:16Danny Jones?

  What are some banks you'd recommend to people?

• 2:11:18Speaker 07

  It depends on where you are and what you need. So, I can't, you know, it's, it's...

• 2:11:22Danny Jones?

  Well, I'll ask you off, off-air.

• 2:11:24Speaker 07

  What you're looking for, and I can always look in this hearing and see what's here, but what you're looking for is, is a well-capitalized, well-managed bank that has great ownership, great governance, great leadership, great management. And there are in this country some fabulous community banks and credit unions, and some are criminal, too, so...

• 2:11:46Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:11:46Speaker 07

  So, you have to be very careful, but that's an important relationship. Okay, let's keep going down your balance sheet or an income statement. I once had a client who was complaining that the yields on her stock were going down, and her water bill was going up. She lived in rural area, I said, "This is simple, sell some stock and build a well, just cut them out, get them out of your life." You know, some people can bring up their own energy. I had, I have one subscriber who has a beautiful property, and they have a lot of storms and the trees fall down, cause they have fabulous amount of timber. And so, she installed an off, it's away from her house, a wood furnace, and so whenever a tree falls down, they just cut it up and put it in the furnace. It's saving them like $8,000 a year.

• 2:12:31Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 2:12:32Speaker 07

  Yeah, no, it's huge. But again, everybody's different, if you look at Brooklyn, that's not gonna work for you.

• 2:12:38Danny Jones?

  No.

• 2:12:38Speaker 07

  But go through your, see, we've, we've all been intermediated, okay? And see where you can get the intermediation out, whether it's energy, whether it's food. So, I'll tell you another thing, I think if I could afford it, the best investment you can possibly make is investing in creating or financing local farms, and having a serious institutional relationship with the farmers who are providing you food. So, there was...

• 2:13:07Danny Jones?

  Interesting.

• 2:13:07Speaker 07

  I was, I don't know, I think it was about 2010, I was in Zurich having dinner with a money manager, and he explained that two of his colleagues had just gone out, bought some land, brought in farmers from Eastern Europe, and put them in charge of the farm, and said, "Your job is to raise food for our family, because we wanna make sure we have really high-quality food."

• 2:13:28Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 2:13:30Speaker 07

  So, there's a wonderful DVD, The Real Dirt on Farmer John, about a farmer transition from conventional farming to organic, created a CSA, a Community Supported Agriculture, and I know you have some good CSAs in this area. And he, and he ran out of land, he was growing so well, and so some of his CSA customers got together and bought land and leased it to him. Great investment, cause farmland's a great investment.

• 2:13:58Danny Jones?

  Lots of it around here.

• 2:13:59Speaker 07

  Right, exactly. So, the land around here, the farmland, the good farmland around here is gonna be a great investment, but if you can lease it to a farmer who's giving you food, and you've got that relationship.

• 2:14:11Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:14:11Speaker 07

  So, I think I told you this, my favorite one is what I call the People Bank. So, when, when I was in the middle of the litigation, litigation starts, and I have 18 audits and investigations, 12 tracks of litigation, physical harassment smear campaign, you know, I'm, I've lost all, I, no income, no, you know, everything's shut down. And it turns out that I had loaned and, and given a lot of money to my, I'd always been very successful financially, so whenever anybody was in trouble, I would give them or loan them money. Anyway, so they, they targeted my family, I had sold some of my land in New Hampshire

• 2:14:52Speaker 07

  to my uncle, and they targeted him, and showed up at his door with a subpoena at 9:00 at night, and tried to scare, tried to talk him and saying, "You shouldn't help your niece, you know, she's a criminal, blah, blah, blah, blah." And they tried to lobby him to cut me off, and, but he was a very smart and stand-up guy, and there was a family conference call, because after they threatened him, he wanted to warn the family, you know, "If we continue to associate with Catherine or support her, we could be targeted, too." And, and so, they had a conference call, and everyone was scared, and said, "Well, we should cut her off." And he said, "No, I'm not gonna cut her off, and the reason I'm not gonna cut her off

• 2:15:35Speaker 07

  is all her life, she has always helped us, she's always lent money, she's always gifted money." And he also knew if it wasn't me lending him, they'd come to him, cause he was the rich guy.

• 2:15:45Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:15:46Speaker 07

  So, anyway, so he said, "I'm gonna continue to help her." And so, he did, and then when the litigation was over and we got the money back, I made a list of everybody that I wanted to pay back money to or gift money to, and I took a fantastic amount of money and, and gifted it out. But anyway, what I hadn't realized was, before the litigation, I had loaned or given a quarter of a million dollars, and then during the litigation, a quarter of a million had come back, not necessarily from the same people, it had been gifted or repaid. And so, I'd put out 250, and I got 250 back.

• 2:16:28Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow.

• 2:16:29Speaker 07

  And Danny, if it wasn't for that money, I would never have made it. I would never have physically been able to live through it, and, cause you're, you're working full-time on litigation, you don't have time to earn money.

• 2:16:40Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:16:40Speaker 07

  Anyway, so, when the money came in, my CPA said to me, I had had, when it started, I'd had 500,000 in a 401K, and I'd had to bust it and pay 225,000 in taxes and fees, and to use for make, you know, it was phony baloney make-compliance work that the DOJ was creating. Anyway, so, so my CPA said, "Let's fund up the 401K." And I said, "Nope, I'm never going into business with the US government again." I'd not been able to use, finance the company, cause they just happened to put it under audit right before they came after me. So, I said, "I'm not gonna go back into business with the US government again, I'm gonna take

• 2:17:23Speaker 07

  that 500,000, and I'm gonna bonus it out on the People Bank, because that's the only bank I trust." And so, I did, I bonus it out on the People Bank. And, and what's very interesting, but let me give you an example that somebody can use for their own. My uncle had a wonderful friend who I saw, they were members of the Dover meeting in, in Dover, New Hampshire, and he was complaining about the stock market, he hated the stock market, it made him nervous, he didn't understand how the values could be that high. And he said, "But I need the money, I need to make a yield." And I said, "Well, do you have kids?" He said, "Yeah, I have five kids." I said, "Do your kids have mortgages?" He said, "Yeah, they all have big mortgages and big houses."

• 2:18:08Speaker 07

  And I said, "Are they trustworthy?" He said, "Oh, yeah, they're hard-working, trustworthy, they're my kids." And I said, "Okay, well, why don't you just sell your stocks and refinance them out of their mortgages, and then you get five checks a month from your kids, cause they're gonna inherit it anyway." So, I saw him at my uncle's funeral many years later, and I said, "You ever get out of the stock market?" He said, "You know, I did exactly what you told me."

• 2:18:31Danny Jones?

  No way.

• 2:18:32Speaker 07

  I financed, I refinanced my five kids' mortgages, and he said, "I missed the big up in the stock market, but every month I get five checks and I sleep like a baby, I'm very happy."

• 2:18:42Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 2:18:43Speaker 07

  Right. So, I'll give you another example, I had a client who came to me, and her retirement, her financial planner had said, "Until you have $25 million in your brokerage account, financing the national securities, you can't afford to spend money on your family." And she had a child and a grandchild who were not living in a safe neighborhood, but she had been told you can't afford to buy them a house. I was like, "Really? Do you think Lockheed Martin's gonna take care of you when you're in the nursing home? I don't think so."

• 2:19:13Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:19:14Speaker 07

  So, you know, if you look at your risk over the next 20 years, the person you can count on is your, your, your kid and your grandchild. They are your assets, your money is here, you know, your child and your grandchild are your assets, and your money here is here to protect, you know, them and you. You have three assets, and you should use your money to protect those assets, instead of draining those assets to put more money in the national security state.

• 2:19:43Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:19:44Speaker 07

  So, I can't tell you how many families I've seen load their kids up with...

• 2:19:50Speaker 07

  With student loans, which are scams of the first order because they've been told they need to put more money in their 401k or their IRA or whatever. And now, if you're, you know, if your kid turns out to be a criminal, it was a bad investment. So you have to raise your kids right. As you know, you're a parent, right?

• 2:20:09Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:20:10Speaker 07

  But here's the thing, if, if families, you know, I was an investment advisor for 10 years and I saw a lot of families portfolios. And what I will tell you, the source of family wealth is family enterprises. And, and those family enterprises get created by healthy, strong families that work together. That's how families build wealth. And, and they don't build wealth by, I'm not saying you can't make money speculating in, in financial assets or crypto or any of those things. You can't. But if you look at where real family wealth comes from, it comes from the Danny Jones enterprise, right?

• 2:20:49Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:20:49Speaker 07

  You've built a business, right?

• 2:20:53Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:20:53Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 2:20:54Danny Jones?

  That's, that's like one of the primary core, core ideas of America is, is doing that. But it's like lately, it's the way culture has been going, it's been going in the complete opposite direction. It's don't, don't have kids.

• 2:21:06Speaker 07

  Right. You know why? Because you are teaching people how to become powerless.

• 2:21:11Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:21:12Speaker 07

  Okay. If you look at how, so I have to tell you, we have a course called Solary Builders for people 18 to 35. And it was, we just did our prototype last year, we're,

• 2:21:27Speaker 07

  we finished it this year. And then we're taking in the applications now for the next class. It's called, and it's a, it's a 10 online session course with two in-person events. And then you become a permanent part of the Solary Builders Network. And these are all young people who understand if they want to be free, they need independent income, and they need to understand how the world works.

• 2:21:52Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:21:53Speaker 07

  And so it's, it's designed to take our building wealth curriculum and sort of our map of the world and help them be successful in however they define success. But it includes, so the first module, there, there, there's a prepackaged that's basically a package on how the world works. Okay. The, and, and you study that before you start the course. The first five courses are on personal excellence and sort of how you build personal excellence. And that's, it's not just me, but how I build a successful family or a successful business.

• 2:22:32Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:22:33Speaker 07

  You know, my relationships with people, how I cooperate and organize in a way that really can build power. And then the second is on entrepreneurship. And it was really funny because I wrote a very interesting memo. The curriculum committee was sort of having a debate about the entrepreneurship model. And one person said, well, not everybody wants to be an entrepreneur. And I said, let me inform you about something. If you want to live outside of big corporations and big governments, I don't care if you're a musician. I don't care if you are an artist. I don't care if you're an employee of somebody else. You're an entrepreneur.

• 2:23:11Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:23:11Speaker 07

  You will never, you will only have independent income if you're an entrepreneur and you know how to function as an entrepreneur, even if it means you're just working for an entrepreneur.

• 2:23:21Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:23:22Speaker 07

  Okay. You, you are, if you're going to be independent, if you're going to live a free and inspired life, you are going to have to know how to be an entrepreneur. It's just the nature of independent income. And then, so we have two events at the end of the first and second module, we have two events. And then you become a permanent part of the builder network.

• 2:23:40Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:23:41Speaker 07

  And it's amazing because if you look at the young people that we had in the first course, and the applications we're seeing for the second course, the world is full of the most amazing young people who understand what you and I understand. You know, they've had access to your, to your show. They've had access to my show. They, they understand what's going on in the world and they really want to do something about it.

• 2:24:04Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:24:05Speaker 07

  And, and these are people who can build a civilization.

• 2:24:09Danny Jones?

  Hmm. Yeah.

• 2:24:10Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 2:24:10Danny Jones?

  Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, it's very interesting. I think about all the, it all the time, like what the world that my kids are living in right now and what it's going to be like when they reach my age or they reach their teens and twenties. And, you know, how different it's going to be and how the, the amount of tools they're going to have at their disposal to create things and to, you know, thrive and stuff. And it's like, I, I've become, I've lost so much hope in the school system because it hasn't changed since I've been in school. Except other than the fact they put them in front of screens now.

• 2:24:45Speaker 07

  The best thing in the world that can happen for your kids is you lose all hope in the government school system.

• 2:24:51Danny Jones?

  That's what I've been told. I mean, I know a lot of people who've been pulling their kids out and putting them in homeschools.

• 2:24:56Speaker 07

  Homeschool.

• 2:24:57Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:24:57Speaker 07

  Homeschool or organize with other parents to do.

• 2:25:00Danny Jones?

  Co-op homeschools, yeah.

• 2:25:02Speaker 07

  Right. Co-op homeschools or, you know, some parents organize and create, we have a lovely, two subscribers in the, in the Netherlands who were aeronautical engineers. And they found it so difficult to homeschool their kids, they started a school. And they swift, switched from engineering to running the, the school.

• 2:25:23Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:25:23Speaker 07

  But, you know, so there are many different solutions, but you, your kids have to have great nutrition, you know, great water and, and great education. And there's no, they can't, they can't get it anymore in the, in the schools.

• 2:25:41Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:25:42Speaker 07

  It's just not there.

• 2:25:43Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Yeah. It's, uh, it's frightening. It's definitely frightening to see the way the world's going. But, but, but again, it's, it's not all doom and gloom because I, I do see a lot of people that have been seeing the light, have been becoming self-educated on this stuff. And there's definitely a shift happening right now.

• 2:26:00Speaker 07

  So if you look at the young people we're looking at for the Solary Builders or who are in it, they have had so much access to great information tools. And it's the tools. They're, you know, they are way ahead of where we were at, you know, or where my generation was at that. I mean, they're just light years ahead.

• 2:26:23Danny Jones?

  Totally.

• 2:26:23Speaker 07

  And they're great. They're great people. And they have their feet on the ground. We hired one who's a poet. We made a deal with him. He couldn't afford the tuition for the course. So we traded him 10 columns on poetry for, for his tuition.

• 2:26:42Danny Jones?

  That's awesome.

• 2:26:43Speaker 07

  And he's such a great writer, then we hired him. So he's now writing half the stuff on our website. And, but he just wrote a column. So the first one is called Push Back Poetry, because he's talking about how poetry is a great way to push back politically. But he just published one on cash haiku. So we try and get everybody to use cash because the automatic third law can only happen if you have an all digital system.

• 2:27:05Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:27:06Speaker 07

  So we keep telling, but it keep cash alive, keep analog alive. Don't go all digital. Keep cash alive. So everywhere I go, I try to use cash. Anyway, but, so he, he, he did a column on cash haiku poems to inspire everybody to, to use cash. And then he invited all the builders, you know, who graduated from the first course to write cash haikus. So they're writing cash haikus. And these cash haikus are unbelievable. They're funny, they're inspiring, and they really inspire to use cash, but they really help you understand, you know, who the central bankers are and what they're up to.

• 2:27:39Danny Jones?

  That's cool.

• 2:27:40Speaker 07

  It is cool.

• 2:27:41Danny Jones?

  Yeah. We, I, we were just at, I was just in Las Vegas a couple of days ago and we went to the Sphere. And we were reading like the tickets, right? About like all the rules and stuff like that. And it was no cash allowed. Don't bring any cash. You can't do anything with cash here. Everything is digital. Everything is with the scan to pay or your credit card. And I don't think I'd ever seen that. I mean, maybe I just don't leave Florida much, but that was the first time I've ever seen anything like that.

• 2:28:09Speaker 07

  Concerts and sports are one of the sort of diamond buildings where they're trying to push the no cash.

• 2:28:15Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:28:16Speaker 07

  What was interesting is because of all the disasters around the world, the leaders pushing cash were the Scandinavian central banks. And two of them have walked it back and said, after the floods in West North Carolina and East Tennessee, they came out and they said, you know, we were wrong to, to say no cash because the electrical grid may not always work.

• 2:28:38Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:28:39Speaker 07

  So you know about Operation Fortress?

• 2:28:42Danny Jones?

  Remind me.

• 2:28:43Speaker 07

  Operation Fortress is the new requirement at DoD that all the military bases have to have their own modular nuclear energy and be able to go 90 days off grid.

• 2:28:57Danny Jones?

  For like an EMP, something like that?

• 2:29:00Speaker 07

  Well, the question is, why are they doing it? You know, what's operation? They announced it, I think on October 1st.

• 2:29:06Danny Jones?

  Oh, really? That recent?

• 2:29:07Speaker 07

  It's recent.

• 2:29:08Danny Jones?

  Can you look it up?

• 2:29:08Speaker 07

  Yeah. So let's look it up.

• 2:29:10Danny Jones?

  What was the name of it?

• 2:29:11Speaker 07

  Operation Fortress.

• 2:29:12Danny Jones?

  Fortress.

• 2:29:13Speaker 07

  Right.

• 2:29:15Danny Jones?

  Pentagon unveiled Fortress America Initiative, short for Federal Operations for Resilience, Troop Resources, Energy Supply, and Survivability to ensure major US military installations can operate independently for at least 90 days if cut off from civilian infrastructure and global supply chains. Okay. Wow.

• 2:29:36Speaker 07

  So they're very excited about these modular nuclear units and this gives them the ability to do this. Portable microreactors? Yep.

• 2:29:46Danny Jones?

  That sounds crazy.

• 2:29:47Speaker 07

  Yep.

• 2:29:48Danny Jones?

  Two point, two billion in awards for nuclear microreactors at five military installations, including for Bragg and for Hood.

• 2:29:55Speaker 07

  Right. So they're very excited about this technology because you can literally put a nuclear microreactor in a plane, fly it someplace and have an operating base

• 2:30:05Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:30:05Speaker 07

  with your own energy. So it's.

• 2:30:07Danny Jones?

  Like the, like the doomsday plane that the president has in case of a nuclear war? This is, this is a microreactor.

• 2:30:14Speaker 07

  In the back of a truck.

• 2:30:15Danny Jones?

  Oh geez.

• 2:30:16Speaker 07

  At least that's, I guess it's theoretical. There's no actual images. There should be one. There's an article about one that they flew. Oh, wait, what's this?

• 2:30:27Speaker 07

  No, that's some AI shit. There's an actual picture of one in an article. I was reading an article a couple of months ago

• 2:30:37Speaker 07

  about one they were flying someplace.

• 2:30:39Danny Jones?

  Pablo Zar saw one.

• 2:30:41Speaker 07

  Looks like this would be a transported micro reactor.

• 2:30:46Speaker 07

  Is that a real picture? Yes, it's a C-130. There's other images. Yeah, that might.

• 2:30:51Danny Jones?

  Well, I mean, they can power nuclear submarines. I'm sure they can figure out a way to power a military base, right? With the moot, with the microreactors?

• 2:30:58Speaker 07

  So here's my guess. If you're, if you're in government, so I've been a government official. If you're in government, you always want to have a plan for the worst case, even if it's only 1%.

• 2:31:08Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:31:09Speaker 07

  So just because you have a plan for that 1% doesn't mean it's gonna happen.

• 2:31:12Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:31:13Speaker 07

  Or that you expect it to happen. It's 1%. So if you look at what's happening with AI,

• 2:31:22Speaker 07

  in the worst case, there are many scenarios where the only way to, to stop what's happening with AI is to shut down the grid.

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• 2:33:00Speaker 07

  Right?

• 2:33:03Speaker 07

  It's the only way you can stop a real doomsday. So we literally, I mean, think of how bizarre the world is that we have the chairman of a company now coming out to raise $2 trillion in an IPO who's just said publicly that his product may destroy the human race.

• 2:33:23Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:33:25Danny Jones?

  Do you think they really believe that?

• 2:33:30Speaker 07

  I, so let me say.

• 2:33:33Danny Jones?

  I don't know what to make of this.

• 2:33:34Speaker 07

  I was in a meeting the other day and

• 2:33:38Speaker 07

  somebody said, you know, the young people hate, hate AI. And there was a young person in the room who interrupted and said, we don't hate AI. We hate the tech bros.

• 2:33:51Speaker 07

  And I, I can't think of a, you know, if you look at the leadership of, of what Simon calls the fic or the mick. Yeah. You know, if you think they're bad,

• 2:34:04Speaker 07

  the tech is, so.

• 2:34:07Danny Jones?

  The tech bros?

• 2:34:08Speaker 07

  Yeah, so I don't, I don't, I don't believe a word any of them say.

• 2:34:12Danny Jones?

  No, me neither.

• 2:34:13Speaker 07

  So I don't believe a word any of them say.

• 2:34:15Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:34:15Speaker 07

  But you have to understand, I just skimmed the S1 for anthropic looking in the risk section for where they, they, you know, because under, if the chairman's out saying that, that the anthropic product could destroy the human race, you would think it would be in the risk section, but I couldn't find it. Now I haven't read it word for word. But you know, where I come from, if, if the chairman believes that and it's not in the S1, that is a material omission under the law. Right? But why would I invest money in a company whose product might destroy the human race?

• 2:34:56Speaker 07

  Now, why am I investing 50% of my 401K and IRA?

• 2:35:01Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:35:01Speaker 07

  In a company that is putting me in a slavery system?

• 2:35:04Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:35:06Speaker 07

  You know, I, this, this, our society is in a state of multiple personality disorder. And I think the idea of being invited to invest in an AI company whose chairman says that they might destroy the human race is the ultimate endgame for where we've been going with investing money in companies that are poisoning us or poisoning our soil or, you know. We've been financing all of this and the time has come when we have to decide. Do we want to finance the world we want to live in or do we want to finance our demise?

• 2:35:47Speaker 07

  I don't know.

• 2:35:48Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't track. It doesn't track logically. If they really do believe these things, the things that they're projecting out, this doom, you know, this thing that, there is a huge percentage chance that this could end civilization, but

• 2:36:02Danny Jones?

  what if China gets it? Like, like, that would be worse? You would say that would be worse if China ran the world than whether the world didn't exist.

• 2:36:10Speaker 07

  People who are running the world, they are running the world with China.

• 2:36:13Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:36:14Speaker 07

  They invested the money in China. They're running the world with China. China's gonna be here. China's gonna be running the world with.

• 2:36:20Danny Jones?

  These people live above nation states.

• 2:36:22Speaker 07

  Right. It's a multipolar world. China's gonna be a major pole in the multipolar world. I mean, we are, our civilization runs off of things made in China. You know, it was, who was it who said, you know, we can't have the Ukraine war unless China makes the bullets? So our weapons made in China are, you know, who's.

• 2:36:50Danny Jones?

  Our iPhones are made in China.

• 2:36:52Speaker 07

  Right. Who's zooming whom here?

• 2:36:54Danny Jones?

  Do you want cheap iPhones or do you want human rights in China?

• 2:36:58Speaker 07

  Right, right. But right now, we're not at war with China. We are, we're like Siamese twins with China.

• 2:37:06Danny Jones?

  Right, because our tech people rely on China. That's why Trump brought all of them over to.

• 2:37:11Speaker 07

  Military relies on China. Our tech people rely on China. Our financial people have invested trillions in China. You know, when, when the head of the largest pension fund in the country said they've given up on the country, they're moving all the money out starting in fall. He, he then said they're moving to Asia. We took enormous amounts of capital and pulled it out of the United States and invested in China. Who do you think built China? Who's capital built China?

• 2:37:39Danny Jones?

  Wasn't it the UK?

• 2:37:40Speaker 07

  It was European and American capital. The, the European, I mean, I remember as soon as money started disappearing from HUD, Carlyle has $1 billion for a China fund and there's an ex Dylan Reed guy running it. You know, now nobody had ever heard of Carlyle. It's like, where'd they get?

• 2:37:59Danny Jones?

  Crazy one.

• 2:38:00Speaker 07

  How did they get $1 billion from no, you know, how do you start a firm and suddenly get $1 billion to invest in China?

• 2:38:06Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:38:08Speaker 07

  How's that, how's that happen? But they were pouring money into China. I had, I had one subscriber whose husband ran a utility, a government utility, and he was given orders, the Chinese are coming. This is 1998 or 99. And you were to take all your manuals, all your intellectual capital, everything about your operation, train them on all of it and give them a copy for free. Boom.

• 2:38:35Speaker 07

  To China.

• 2:38:36Danny Jones?

  That's insanity.

• 2:38:37Speaker 07

  No, that's an investment. That's a, you know, you're talking about a transfer of intellectual capital from our society to China. You know, one of the things we did is we didn't want pollution, so we moved all the manufacturing to China. They got the pollution and we got the stuff.

• 2:38:53Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:38:53Speaker 07

  Everybody went down to Walmart and, and, you know, bought stuff from China. I mean, Walmart is just a marketing distribution center for Chinese goods. I mean, go into Walmart and see how much of that stuff is made in China.

• 2:39:10Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it's most of it.

• 2:39:11Speaker 07

  Right.

• 2:39:11Danny Jones?

  Not all of it.

• 2:39:12Speaker 07

  So you can't have a war with Siamese twins. Right?

• 2:39:16Danny Jones?

  Right. You just have to build a public narrative for the people that live in your country so you can tell them a story.

• 2:39:22Speaker 07

  Right.

• 2:39:23Danny Jones?

  And that story is disintegrating and not many people believe it anymore.

• 2:39:26Speaker 07

  Right. And there are tensions. So I'm not saying that there aren't tensions, but

• 2:39:32Speaker 07

  China's not going away.

• 2:39:35Danny Jones?

  What, what is your view? I don't know. I'm sure, I'm sure you've noticed since Elon purchased X that the, the guardrails have been let off as far as speech goes. And basically you can get away with saying anything on social media right now, specific, mostly on X, but by and large, in general, across the internet, like all the, all the lockdowns, all the guardrails on what you can say, what you can't say have really been let off. And it's been an insane phenomenon to witness.

• 2:40:10Speaker 07

  So when, I didn't want to go back on X. I got off of X and I said, it's a honey trap. I don't want to be there. So we had a big internal debate and the Solari team was adamant, we had to be on X. So I said, okay, go back on it. So I get on X and the first thing they said is, you know, to, to be on X, you really want to get verified. And you want, we want you to send all your biometric and other data to this firm in Israel.

• 2:40:36Danny Jones?

  Yes, right.

• 2:40:38Speaker 07

  No, no.

• 2:40:39Danny Jones?

  That was crazy.

• 2:40:40Speaker 07

  Catherine's not doing that. So for a long time, we weren't, we didn't have the blue thing until, I don't know, I think some, they changed the rules or something.

• 2:40:49Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:40:49Speaker 07

  But that's when I said, oh, this is a honey trap. They're going to collect all the data and when they're ready to lock down again, they will.

• 2:40:54Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:40:55Speaker 07

  So I just think it's a honey trap.

• 2:40:56Danny Jones?

  Yeah. And I'm, I'm, also they're doing money on there now. So now they have like a mobile payment system built into X. I just found, I just discovered it yesterday because they asked me to sign up for it.

• 2:41:06Speaker 07

  Here's what happened. When Doge happened, I basically said, uh, it was a steal.

• 2:41:12Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:41:12Speaker 07

  Right.

• 2:41:13Danny Jones?

  You said, if I remember correctly, Elon was going in to suck up all of the HHS, IRS and social security data.

• 2:41:23Speaker 07

  He never went to the places where the fraud was.

• 2:41:25Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:41:26Speaker 07

  So he didn't go to HUD or DOD. He went to where you would get the payment data you wanted if you were going to stop, start Grok money. But here's the other thing, I didn't think this at the time. Now I think he was also installing AI throughout the government bureaucracy. So I think when you, if you go in, I just had an experience in, with a government office. And I think when you go into the government office, everything you say and do is being recorded by AI and transcribed and integrated. So I think you, you know.

• 2:42:01Danny Jones?

  That's why, you know, everything that you're saying today makes me, especially with like the satellite surveillance combined with like the phone surveillance and your money being digitized and trying to create a social credit store score makes me really question how just free speech has been off the fricking chain for the last couple of years. And especially now, kind of like ramping up more and more. Like, and Grok and, and X is right in the center of this and like the, the, the ground zero of this whole phenomenon. Like, is this some sort of a, and I, I don't know how this would be possible, but I'm

• 2:42:42Danny Jones?

  just speculating. Is it possible that they are intentionally letting people get away with saying whatever they want so they can sort of use AI to build some sort of a predictive model on how certain people will act in the future?

• 2:42:57Speaker 07

  Well, you're trying to get as much data as possible. Right? And you're trying to train the AI. So you're in this sort of, you know, if you look at the history of information technology, you implement, you blossom, then you control, then you implement, you, you know, and, and, and it goes in these waves. Tim Wu has a wonderful book about this. And, and so what X is doing, they're doing a blossom period. And I'm assuming what Musk.

• 2:43:25Danny Jones?

  A blossom period?

• 2:43:27Speaker 07

  Yeah. Where, where you allow as many entrepreneurs as possible to prototype and try stuff and you see, you know, you're prototyping, you're seeing how it's working, you're teaching the AI, you're collecting information. But what was I going to tell you? So, so I think what Musk is up to is he did a, when he first started to pull the data out of the federal government, he did a deal with Palantir. So Grok AI and Palantir did a deal. But he also installed Star, Starlink in the White House. I think that's surveillance. But, and, I don't know how much he installed throughout the federal government, but it wouldn't surprise

• 2:44:08Speaker 07

  me if it was there. Starshield is the military version. And I don't know if you saw, you had a problem in the Ukraine because Starshield shut down the speed at which it would operate. So the drones couldn't access, you know, they couldn't operate with Starshield. And Musk said he didn't do it. The military did it, but then it turned out Musk had done it after talking with Trump. So you have a private entrepreneur interceding with the military chain of command in the Ukraine.

• 2:44:39Danny Jones?

  So what did Trump want him to do? He wanted him to slow down the internet speed?

• 2:44:43Speaker 07

  It appears as though Trump may have requested, we know Musk did it, according to the Wall Street Journal, but Trump may have requested, after talking with Putin about the diesel deal.

• 2:44:54Danny Jones?

  Oh.

• 2:44:55Speaker 07

  You know, cause, cause the Ukrainians, you know, AKA NATO, were blowing up, uh, energy facilities in Russia.

• 2:45:07Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:45:08Speaker 07

  Okay. So, so, but here's the things. Tesla, right now, according to their employees, is building robots at high speed.

• 2:45:17Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:45:17Speaker 07

  Right? Okay. At the same time that we are mandating poisonous shots to our army and, and Navy. So the Navy just mandated mRNA shots for all Navy sailors, right? Flu shots, mRNA. Okay. Which we know is dangerous, poisoning. Okay. Tesla has a committee meeting with SpaceX to figure out how they can merge.

• 2:45:44Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:45:46Speaker 07

  Okay. So you have a robot army and the satellites you need to manage that robot army. Right? And, and the satellite capacity to also field drones. It's easy to just move drones in there. And now you're talking about the potential for either a US military or a tech bro army that can control the country. Right? You've got the data centers with the data.

• 2:46:18Danny Jones?

  And does the government even control any of this?

• 2:46:20Speaker 07

  Well, if Musk is interceding to manipulate the Ukraine war privately without the, outside the military chain of command, what's he going to do with an army of robots and satellites? And you tell me.

• 2:46:36Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm. If Elon Musk and, not that it would happen, Sam Altman and Peter Thiel all got together and decided they want to go against the United States military. Would that be possible?

• 2:46:48Speaker 07

  So, you know, if you look at the, the operations, uh, yeah. So here's.

• 2:46:54Danny Jones?

  The New York Post article posted, what day? The 22nd. This says that, that Trump told him to lift, where did it say? Any limits on Starlink, military grade Starshield for Ukraine? So to, to remove limits, not add limits. Scroll down to the first paragraph. President Trump called Elon Musk on Wednesday to ask him to fully reverse any limits on crucial internet services. Okay. So this is after the original story.

• 2:47:22Speaker 07

  Following a week of mystery and conflicting report about what slowed US-provided Battlefield connect.

• 2:47:26Danny Jones?

  Right. So they got caught and he told them to put it back.

• 2:47:29Speaker 07

  So remember, the reason Trump attacked Iran in 2026 after the covert operation failed.

• 2:47:38Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:47:38Speaker 07

  Why did the covert operation fail?

• 2:47:40Danny Jones?

  Which covert operation are you supposed to be speaking about? The June 2025 thing?

• 2:47:45Speaker 07

  Remember, what they did was they sent covert operators into Iran to try and engineer a regime change. And Netanyahu had apparently told Trump that this would work. They all had Starlink uploads and were coordinating through Starlink. And Basant was doing a currency operation during that period. They drove the Iranian currency down against the US dollar more than 90%.

• 2:48:10Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:48:11Speaker 07

  Wiping everybody out. You know, many went to stable coins and then Basant in epic fury seized a billion dollars of, of Iranian. So this is a really war on civilians. Okay. So you have this covert operation going on. Why did it fail?

• 2:48:26Danny Jones?

  Why?

• 2:48:28Speaker 07

  The Iranians figured out a way to cut off Starlink.

• 2:48:34Speaker 07

  They figured out a way to kill the communications of the covert operators through Starlink. And of course, the big question was that Chinese technology, was that Russian technology, was that Iranian technology?

• 2:48:47Danny Jones?

  Interesting.

• 2:48:48Speaker 07

  And this is important, because if you look at during 2025, there was real fear throughout the global leadership, because the Palantir and Lavender kind of systems in Israel had been so effective at killing the Iranian leadership. But if you look at pagers and the other, you have a cybersecurity operation who is assassinating and targeting people with incredible precision.

• 2:49:15Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:49:16Speaker 07

  Okay. And what happened? And that was instilling real fear. Suddenly, all the European leaders are like doing everything that Trump says and being very obsequiously like, what happened? And they don't want their pager to blow up, you know what I mean? And so this targeted assassination telecommunications system is instilling fear and control all over the place. So when the Greek ambassador just got fired and said, you know, we can get rid of your government, it's that systems that are used to do it. Okay? The Iranians figured out how to beat it. And that was shocking. That's what really, you know, my guess is that's why Trump really, he got surprised, because the regime change operation failed.

• 2:50:00Speaker 07

  And it failed because that suddenly the high-tech telecommunications assassin system isn't working perfectly.

• 2:50:09Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:50:10Speaker 07

  Right.

• 2:50:11Danny Jones?

  Now, isn't also one of your, I thought I recalled you saying something about the reason that they wanted to invade Iran was for the central banking system?

• 2:50:23Speaker 07

  I think so.

• 2:50:24Danny Jones?

  And they wanted to make sure, because that's one of the only, like, one of the weak links where there's no control over central banking in Iran, right?

• 2:50:34Speaker 07

  So the question is, how much control is there? But think of it this way. China has, if you look at competition between different parts of the multipolar world, there's cost of capital, there's cost of energy, and there's cost of labor. Okay? If you have a lower cost of capital than I do, and a lower cost of energy, and a lower cost of labor, who wins? You win.

• 2:51:04Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:51:05Speaker 07

  Right? Okay. The real pressure to do these operations happened when the Chinese sovereign bond cost dropped through the treasury. So if you look at a chart of sovereign bonds, you know, China's interest rate is going like this, and the United States interest is going like that. China now has a cheaper cost of capital. Right? Now, we've done extraordinary things to bring down our cost of energy, but also to market our LNG around the world. And we are engineering. If you bring up that collection, that in the email that says recent collections, bring up that email, and I'll show you this link. What we are doing-

• 2:51:50Danny Jones?

  Make sure you have it, Steve.

• 2:51:52Speaker 07

  We are going from an open trade model with the Bretton Woods system to a closed trade model where we are controlling by controlling energy and the trade bottlenecks, the straits.

• 2:52:04Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:52:05Speaker 07

  Okay? And one of the goals of that is to increase the cost of energy to China. Okay? They clearly have cheaper labor. So now they have cheaper capital on the bond side, not on the equity side. But our hope, yeah, so click on that first link. So this, we update this every month. We're just about to put up the new update in a week or so. Okay, just scroll down. What this shows you is the fact that for, this is the Cheney neocon strategy of controlling energy worldwide.

• 2:52:48Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:52:49Speaker 07

  The petrodollar is going away, but it's being replaced literally by a natural gas LNG sort of petro version, but in a closed trade model. So just skim down. And this is just all the refining and energy capacity that's been destroyed globally. Shh. Keep going down, just-

• 2:53:08Danny Jones?

  March 26.

• 2:53:09Speaker 07

  And it's not just Ukraine, and it's not just the Middle East. This is why the Ukrainian drones are going into Russia and blowing up refineries. You're trying to control energy worldwide.

• 2:53:20Danny Jones?

  So all, every single item here on the date is a list of a refinery?

• 2:53:25Speaker 07

  It's something, it's an attack on energy facilities that's asserting control.

• 2:53:30Danny Jones?

  So let's look at that one. Moscow, Russia, Ukrainian drone strikes Moscow, Kaptonva oil refinery. Wow.

• 2:53:39Speaker 07

  Right. So keep going down.

• 2:53:41Danny Jones?

  That's insane.

• 2:53:42Speaker 07

  Oh, no, it's all over the world. And it's not just Ukraine and Middle East, it's all over the world. And then go down-

• 2:53:48Danny Jones?

  Pause again, Steve. What's that one? July 2025, Ukrainian drone strikes Tumen oil refinery. Where's that?

• 2:53:57Speaker 07

  It's Russia.

• 2:53:58Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 2:53:59Speaker 07

  Right. So one of the reasons they wanted to stop the Ukrainians thing is Trump's trying to get diesel to come down before the election.

• 2:54:08Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:54:09Speaker 07

  Okay, so keep going down.

• 2:54:10Danny Jones?

  And he just made that comment recently. He said, "Our oil, our oil companies are making hundreds of billions of dollars."

• 2:54:18Speaker 07

  They are. So let me get to that, because this strategy is very successful. Okay, so keep going down. We get into September, more blowing everything up. Okay, stop here. So now I go into key statistics, keep going down, and then I go into trade bottlenecks, because it's not just Hormuz, it's Panama Canal, it's the Straits of Malacca, it's the Straits of Gibraltar. And what we do here is we go through-

• 2:54:45Danny Jones?

  Russia, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Iran, India, and the Gulf, United States, and Brazil.

• 2:54:50Speaker 07

  Yeah, keep going down. This is worldwide. And what you see, keep going down, get to trade bottlenecks. This is it, trade routes and ports. Here are all the controls being asserted of all the different trade bottlenecks and all the different straits. It's not just Hormuz. Now, here's what you, when you go through this, Danny, and this is the reason we do these collections, it's Larry. What you realize is, oh, this is not the Trump administration. This is longer, deeper, this is the whole Five Eyes team asserting a closed energy model globally. It's really, this is the old neocon strategy, and it's working.

• 2:55:34Speaker 07

  Now, the IMF just came out with an assessment of the global economy and said growth has slowed, but what has happened is war has reallocated economic strength to some countries away from others. So you're watching, essentially, the United States compost its allies to ensure that it has the strongest economy. And what this closed energy model is doing, we're shipping above-market LNG to Europe and Asia, making a fortune.

• 2:56:08Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:56:09Speaker 07

  And if you look at the IMF report, the US is by far and away the strongest economy, because it's a giant, it's the tapeworm, it's giant sucking sound of economic value all around the world and shifting it into the US. So this strategy is working. You know, it doesn't look like, it looks like, oh, the America is losing the Iran war.

• 2:56:28Danny Jones?

  That's not the goal, is to win a war.

• 2:56:30Speaker 07

  No.

• 2:56:31Danny Jones?

  The goal is to-

• 2:56:32Speaker 07

  The goal is to have a control globally of energy. Now, here's the question. We know that the US and other countries have breakthrough energy.

• 2:56:41Danny Jones?

  Do we?

• 2:56:43Speaker 07

  Yeah, we do. We have it. The question is, are we ready to launch it? Whether it's micro nuclear reactors or-

• 2:56:51Danny Jones?

  See, that was one of my biggest questions, too, which, what you just said sort of answers that, is how come we haven't seen any sort of, you know, crazy super weapons or stuff that operates on a different type of energy source or anything like that during these conflicts? But if the conflicts aren't-

• 2:57:10Speaker 07

  I think, I think we may have seen some of it.

• 2:57:12Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 2:57:13Speaker 07

  I just think they want to keep that as quiet and secret as possible. So, you know, we don't know, we don't know really what we've seen. I mean, we've seen weather warfare, so that's happening. But-

• 2:57:27Danny Jones?

  Have you seen the sightings of that UFO over Iran?

• 2:57:31Speaker 07

  I've heard about it, I don't know anything about it.

• 2:57:34Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I don't know anything about it either, just some funny pictures, looks weird.

• 2:57:37Speaker 07

  So here's the problem, when you talk about who runs the world, what you have to do is, you know, you go up through the layers of, you know, of the financial system and the central, central banking warfare. So the financial system, the central banking guys, the military guys, and then now we've got tech coming in and growing more powerful. And presumably, if you look at the technology, they have the power in the technology to take power away from both military and central bank. I think the reason they've wanted the kinds of people that they've raised up in Silicon Valley to make sure that they can't do that, that they can't reduce, you know, they can't

• 2:58:21Speaker 07

  usurp the military or the financial guys, but that's a whole nother conversation.

• 2:58:26Danny Jones?

  Interesting.

• 2:58:27Speaker 07

  The problem is, once you go up above, you know, so the question is, who controls the central bank? And in my experience, it's intergenerational pools of capital. You know, it's private pools of capital who provide that strategic direction, and they meet and come up with consensus. But then you keep going up, and what you find is, if you look at what's going on on this planet, there's all sorts of weirder stuff going on. And I know, because if you go back and you scroll through your videos, you've explored a lot of the stranger things going on on this planet. And the question is, what is that about? You know, why do we have all these underground bases?

• 2:59:06Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:59:07Speaker 07

  What are all these things flying around in the sky? You've seen them, I, we've all seen them. And who are they and what is it? And, you know, what I told you the last time I was here is, I'm absolutely convinced that our civilization is interacting with one or more breakaway civilizations or more advanced civilizations. And the question is, who are they? Where are they from? Are they from this planet? Are they human? Do they live on the moon? Do they live in the inner earth? Are they time track? You know, you can go down 1,000 rabbit holes, but I don't know what the truth is. But one of the things I will tell you from unpacking the financial system is there is,

• 2:59:52Speaker 07

  there are one or more separate civilizations.

• 2:59:55Danny Jones?

  Do you think there's something to-

• 2:59:58Danny Jones?

  This whole circus in the government trying to find out quote unquote disclosure and what this is, do you think there's anything to that? Or do you think that's all just a limited hangout, smoke and mirrors?

• 3:00:08Speaker 07

  I don't really know what it is. It's either distraction or just trying to leak little bits out, you know, the steam valve again.

• 3:00:16Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:00:16Speaker 07

  But there's no major effort by, nobody gives their power away. And all of that was used an excuse to move all the technology into private companies.

• 3:00:25Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:00:25Speaker 07

  And that's what's fueling a lot of their wealth. And nobody gives their wealth away for free.

• 3:00:29Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:00:30Speaker 07

  I mean, here's the tragedy. The taxpayers are not just missing 21 trillion in undocumented adjustments, 29 trillion on the bailouts. They're missing technology that's worth far more and data worth far more that's been transferred, whether it's transferred to Doge, you know, through Doge to Elon Musk's companies, or, you know, to all the defense contractors, et cetera. So, and then you, you put on top of that, the fact that we have a debt based currency when we don't need to, we could just issue greenbacks.

• 3:01:01Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 3:01:01Speaker 07

  So 21 trillion plus 29 trillion plus 40 trillion debt, it's all, you know, plus the technology going out the door. If you look at how wealthy we still are, it's quite remarkable, you know, that we're, because the extraction has been unbelievable.

• 3:01:19Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:01:19Speaker 07

  Anyway, so, so I don't, I don't think there's a real effort to disclose. And part of it is, if, my understanding is that many, several times in, in the past, people have tried to do that. And they've tried to figure out how you could disclose, and they can't come up with a way of dealing with the liabilities.

• 3:01:44Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:01:45Speaker 07

  So if you tell the population, oh, we've moved 100 trillion out to these private companies, and now all these tech billionaires are worth billions, and it was really financed with your money, people are gonna want their money back, right?

• 3:02:02Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah. A hundred percent.

• 3:02:04Speaker 07

  So how do you, how do you?

• 3:02:05Danny Jones?

  I imagine they fear with the retaliation, would there be some sort of mass retaliation or like revolution? People would start burning shit down, I would imagine.

• 3:02:14Speaker 07

  I don't know.

• 3:02:16Danny Jones?

  Maybe that's why they're building bunkers.

• 3:02:17Speaker 07

  No, I think they're building bunkers. Because if, if what has, what they have done to others was done to them, you know, they, in other words, it's projective identification here. They're, they're projecting how they would react.

• 3:02:40Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:02:40Speaker 07

  I don't think they're understanding how the common person would react.

• 3:02:44Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:02:45Speaker 07

  Um, I think, you know, here's the problem. If you, if you look at where you and I would want to go, if, if we wanted to live in an excellent civilization, if we wanted to be part of an advanced civilization, we would go on a different trajectory than they're going.

• 3:03:04Danny Jones?

  A hundred percent.

• 3:03:05Speaker 07

  Right. I don't think they want to go where we want to go. And ultimately, what we're having a, a debate about, what you and I are discussing, is do we want to use our capital as a civilization? Because if you look at the amount of money that we're talking about here, we're talking about a civil, a bet on where civilization's gonna go. They want a highly centralized civilization, using AI and these tools to have complete control. Because they think that's the best way to risk manage it. Okay? And, um, you know, what they're afraid of is risk. And they want to keep control. And what we want

• 3:03:47Speaker 07

  is something that's going to result in a meritocracy. Right? And they're gonna lose control. And they're afraid that you can't get from here to there, in a way that's not dangerous to them or to the civilization.

• 3:04:01Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 3:04:02Speaker 07

  So it's, it, it comes back to us to put out the vision of how we get to an advanced civilization. Because what they're building is not something I want to live in. So I'll give you an example. Jared Kushner, when he left the administration, did that podcast, and he said, I'm gonna be the first generation to live forever, the last generation to not live forever. Did you see that one?

• 3:04:30Danny Jones?

  Was that with Lex Friedman?

• 3:04:31Speaker 07

  I forget who it was.

• 3:04:33Danny Jones?

  The first generation to live forever.

• 3:04:35Speaker 07

  Right.

• 3:04:36Danny Jones?

  And the last generation not to live forever.

• 3:04:38Speaker 07

  And it was during that period that Sean Parker said, I'm a billionaire, so I'm gonna live to 145, and you're not a billionaire, so you won't. Right? But Kushner was basically saying, given the advances in biotech, and part of this is AI applied to biotech, you know, I'm gonna be able to live.

• 3:04:54Danny Jones?

  They want to become a breakaway civilization. That's the definition of a breakaway civilization.

• 3:04:57Speaker 07

  Well, it's gonna be another. I think we already have one or more, but, um.

• 3:05:04Danny Jones?

  It's kind of like, the way I think about it is the same way there's naked people running around in the Amazon rainforest, and we're sitting here in a city recording a podcast. There's, that probably goes up another level.

• 3:05:15Speaker 07

  Right. So they, you know, I watched it happen where they stopped thinking of, of the, the average person as the same species.

• 3:05:27Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:05:27Speaker 07

  You know, they started to look at us like livestock, and, and they're a different species. And it was one of the reasons I wanted to leave the establishment. Because I basically, when I looked at their plans, to the extent that I understood them then, I said, this is not gonna work, and I want no part of it. It's just, it's just, you know, it's primitive. It's a primitive plan. But you can see, if I think I'm gonna live forever, and my children are gonna live forever, you would, you would see why somebody would not want there to be nine billion people on the planet who could have children who are gonna live forever. Then, then you're talking about a real environmental problem.

• 3:06:06Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah. This is from Kushner.

• 3:06:10Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 3:06:11Danny Jones?

  One thing I've tried to put a priority on since I left the White House was, you know, getting some exercise in. I think that there's a good probability that my generation is, hopefully with advancement in science, either the first generation to live forever, or the last generation that's going to die. So, we need to keep ourselves in pretty good shape, Catherine.

• 3:06:34Speaker 07

  So this is why he needs more than 25 billion in his brokerage account. He needs, right? He needs.

• 3:06:41Danny Jones?

  Yeah. You gotta crack some eggs. You gotta grease some, grease some palms.

• 3:06:45Speaker 07

  Imagine having to, to put up a trust fund that could last forever. That's a

• 3:06:49Danny Jones?

  That's it, for sure.

• 3:06:51Speaker 07

  That's a big family trust. No wonder they're grifting so much.

• 3:06:55Danny Jones?

  Oh, my God. Well, Catherine, thank you for doing this.

• 3:07:02Speaker 07

  No, thank you, Danny.

• 3:07:03Danny Jones?

  This has been fascinating.

• 3:07:04Speaker 07

  It's, it's, I, you know, I enjoy your podcast, so I'm regularly going and seeing what's, wow.

• 3:07:11Danny Jones?

  I'm the same way with all your talks. I'm always blown away by what, the stuff that you're tracking. And thank you again for.

• 3:07:17Speaker 07

  Well, but here's the thing. We're gonna figure it out. Right?

• 3:07:20Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 3:07:21Speaker 07

  Right. So it's just, you and I just, and people like us need to just keep turtling.

• 3:07:26Danny Jones?

  That's right. That's right.

• 3:07:27Speaker 07

  Right.

• 3:07:28Danny Jones?

  Um, one more time, let people know where they can learn more about your stuff, your website, and all that.

• 3:07:33Speaker 07

  Solari.com, S O L A R I dot com. It's called the Solari Report. We'd love to have you as a subscriber. And there's plenty of great stuff. And if I could make one recommendation, we have a wonderful PDF you can download called Coming Clean. And it's a buffet. And it's a, it's sort of a way to sort of turtle through this environment, building your personal excellence, building your entrepreneurship, building your, um, your ability to be successful in this environment. I have watched families who understood what was happening and took action. They're very successful.

• 3:08:07Danny Jones?

  That's incredible.

• 3:08:09Speaker 07

  But you really, you know, it's like, it's like living in a war. You know, you have, there's opportunity and there's risk. And you have to be clear, you're in a war, and you have to know who your friends are and who your enemies are. And you have to not bank with your.

• 3:08:23Danny Jones?

  That's right.

• 3:08:24Speaker 07

  People are trying to kill you.

• 3:08:25Danny Jones?

  Don't bank with Chase.

• 3:08:26Speaker 07

  I didn't say that. You should bank. I, believe it or not.

• 3:08:30Danny Jones?

  I'm gonna ask you about some banks.

• 3:08:31Speaker 07

  This last year, I recommended somebody that they stay in Chase. Everybody's unique. There are reasons.

• 3:08:37Danny Jones?

  You recommended for somebody? Interesting.

• 3:08:39Speaker 07

  I recommended to somebody that they stay in Chase. It was the right thing for them.

• 3:08:42Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 3:08:42Speaker 07

  I won't bore you with the details. But

• 3:08:44Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 3:08:44Speaker 07

  The most important thing you need to understand when it comes to good financial planning, everybody's unique. Everybody's different. And what you should do is totally different than what somebody should do. And if anybody in the internet says everybody should have 10% of this, don't listen.

• 3:09:01Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:09:02Speaker 07

  It's, you're unique, and your asset is you and the people you love. Right?

• 3:09:08Danny Jones?

  Yeah, totally.

• 3:09:09Speaker 07

  And your money is there to support them and make sure they are fine, no matter what happens. And everybody's unique. So, don't listen.

• 3:09:18Danny Jones?

  Awesome. Thanks, you, thank you again. Very well said. We'll link all that stuff below for folks. And, uh, we'll, uh, we'll have to do another one down the road.

• 3:09:27Speaker 07

  Okay, definitely. Thank you, Danny.

• 3:09:29Danny Jones?

  My pleasure. We got some Patreon questions. Good night, folks.

• 3:09:32Speaker 05

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