Pod Insights The Tucker Carlson Show Mother of Likely Murdered OpenAI Whistleblower Reveals All, Calls for Investigation of Sam Altman About this episode Suchir Balaji worked as an engineer for Sam Altman building AI, until he decided that Altman was committing crimes. Balaji became a whistleblower, and soon after was found dead in his apartment. California authorities claim it was suicide. Crime scene photos clearly show a murder. Balaji’s mother, Poornima Ramarao, tells the most shocking story we’ve heard in a long time.
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0:10 Tucker Carlson? Welcome to Tucker Carlson Show. We bring you stories that have not been showcased anywhere else. And they're not censored, of course, because we're not gatekeepers. We are honest brokers here to tell you what we think you need to know and do it honestly. Check out all of our content at TuckerCarlson.com. Here's the episode. Thank you very much for joining us.
0:33 Speaker 01 My son, I owe this to him.
0:36 Tucker Carlson? Well, this is a remarkable story. So we were connected by someone we both know. I had followed this casually in the media. I didn't know what to make of it. Your son died in November. You commissioned an examination by a forensic pathologist, independent forensic pathologist called Dr. Dinesh Rao. I have it right here accompanied by photographs that you took. And I don't think any honest person looking at this would conclude this was a suicide.
1:06 Tucker Carlson? There's an awful lot of evidence that it wasn't. I was actually shocked by it.
1:11 Tucker Carlson? So I want to get into the details of what may have happened, but I'd like to start, if you don't mind, by hearing about your son. Who was he? How old was he? What did he do? What was he like?
1:22 Speaker 01 Sure. Suchir was a prodigy. From birth, we knew he was gifted. And for leaving, he studied his masters, bachelor's in computer science from UC Berkeley, the top school. He had 4.0 GPA throughout. As soon as he graduated, he started working in OpenAI as a researcher, AI researcher. His first project was WebGPT, for which a fresh graduate, he took the lead role. And that WebGPT turned out into be ChatGPT, an application.
1:52 Tucker Carlson? Yes.
1:53 Speaker 01 And once, this was a publication of four people. One of them is Suchir. Following this, he worked at OpenAI for pre-training data. That means he was scooping up all the internet data feeding to ChatGPT's AI model.
2:11 Speaker 01 Following this, he worked on-
2:12 Tucker Carlson? Which is, which is the fuel that it runs on. It needs massive amounts of data in order to become what it is, right? That's the-
2:19 Speaker 01 Yes, it's, it's an A I model and for the A I model, there need to be data fed. And this data is what everybody is saying is copyright data. That's what all the lawsuits are against.
2:30 Tucker Carlson? Yes.
2:31 Speaker 01 He was involved in fueling that data.
2:34 Tucker Carlson? He was, he was directly involved in that part of the business. Yes.
2:38 Speaker 01 He knows inside out.
2:39 Tucker Carlson? Yes.
2:40 Speaker 01 Following that, he worked directly on the chat G P T application team itself under John Schklman. In this team, he was vital. His former boss, John, claims that his role was vital in chat G P T team. And he did some kind of tuning and optimization, made it very efficient. It's a significant contribution. But the irony is, he was never acknowledged by Open A I. And even after he left Open A I, his, after his death, also no one has acknowledged him.
3:10 Speaker 01 Prior to joining Open A I, he was so qualified. He was national champion in twenty sixteen for computing Olympia. It means he was the top programmer of twenty sixteen. Following that, he went, he took a gap year at seventeen. He said he doesn't need a degree. Right after twelve, he said, I don't need a degree. I don't need to go to college. He took up a job in Korra as software engineer. He was hired with twenty five thousand dollars sign-on bonus. And a pay equivalent to a master's or a bachelor's holder. He worked there for a year and then he joined U C Berkeley after taking a gap year. It took a lot of effort and patience to persuade him to go back to college for which he was grateful throughout.
3:54 Speaker 01 In U C Berkeley, he represented U C Berkeley for A C M I C P C inter-college programming contest. The world contest, he went to China along with his team. It was in twenty seventeen. Twenty eighteen, he one hundred thousand dollars award for a T S A competition. This is for passenger screening algorithm which T S A has implemented today. He was shining all throughout his life. Prior to this, at the age of eleven, uh, he got um six eighty in S A T. And then at fourteen, the paper he wrote like makes, makes me believe he's a prodigy. That science paper is about um quantum computing, optimizing a C P U.
4:40 Speaker 01 And like he talks about VLSI design that my friends claim they studied in their masters in electronics and communications. All these things make me believe he's a prodigy and he's demonstrated he had exceptional abilities.
4:55 Tucker Carlson? But it sounds like he did. So it's but and it sounds like from reading about it that he ran into trouble only when he began to question whether or not the data that was being fed to OpenAI was copyrighted.
5:11 Speaker 01 He never raised the voice when he was within OpenAI because he had concerns that management will not approve. And he started to question all these when ChatGPT became profit making. As long as it was nonprofit, it was okay. He explains in his publication on suchi.net what his views are and why he believes this is copyright violation. And when he started after reinstatement of Sam Altman in 2023 November, November 21st was the day he got reinstated. I know it so well because it was Suti's birthday that day.
5:51 Speaker 01 He got reinstated and after that, Suti started thinking about the copyright violation and he did discuss with me, it's very unethical and he feels awful about it. And I said, yes, it's unethical. I agree with you.
6:05 Tucker Carlson? What's unethical is using copyrighted material, material owned by other people for your business, which.
6:12 Speaker 01 Yeah, artist's work will be lost, their means of living will be impacted.
6:16 Tucker Carlson? Yes.
6:17 Speaker 01 And also he did a research and he published like how the Stack Overflow and then few other like maybe Cora, few other websites, their traffic is reducing. And he also made a publication in which he explains that the answer given by ChatGPT versus the answer given by Stack Overflow, how unscientific and inaccurate the answer is.
6:41 Tucker Carlson? Interesting.
6:42 Speaker 01 Yeah.
6:43 Tucker Carlson? When did he leave OpenAI?
6:45 Speaker 01 He left in August.
6:46 Tucker Carlson? Of 2024?
6:48 Speaker 01 Yes, third week of August.
6:50 Tucker Carlson? Third, so recently.
6:52 Speaker 01 Very recently.
6:53 Tucker Carlson? When did he write his now famous paper about what the management of OpenAI was doing with copyrighted material?
7:02 Speaker 01 He next day, he already had made up his mind prior leaving to leaving OpenAI. In fact, in July, he discussed with his UC Berkeley colleague that he want to do a startup and his friend expressed interest, his name is Tyler.
7:18 Speaker 01 And next day after leaving OpenAI, he went on interview with Canadian news media. We didn't know anything about it.
7:27 Tucker Carlson? Hmm.
7:28 Speaker 01 Yeah, we just found out was based on his call logs. He spoke to someone for forty minutes after his passing. We called him and found out he was doing this. And it was next day after his last day at work.
7:41 Tucker Carlson? Who did he speak to?
7:43 Speaker 01 I'll get back to you on that.
7:44 Tucker Carlson? But he spoke to a reporter.
7:45 Speaker 01 Canadian news media that sued OpenAI.
7:49 Tucker Carlson? Canadian news media.
7:49 Speaker 01 Canadian news media that sued OpenAI.
7:52 Tucker Carlson? Interesting.
7:53 Speaker 01 On October twenty third, his interview was published in New York Times where he makes a very, very open statement and he calls OpenAI violates copyright data.
8:05 Tucker Carlson? On October twenty third, he was quoted in the New York Times saying that OpenAI violates
8:10 Speaker 01 Yes.
8:10 Tucker Carlson? copyright law.
8:11 Speaker 01 Yes.
8:12 Tucker Carlson? Is stealing other people's material.
8:13 Speaker 01 Yeah.
8:15 Tucker Carlson? Okay, and what what day did he die?
8:19 Speaker 01 I'm sorry?
8:19 Tucker Carlson? And what what day did he die?
8:21 Speaker 01 Twenty second November, but we found the body on twenty sixth November.
8:28 Tucker Carlson? So he um he was quoted saying that OpenAI was committing crimes and a month later he was dead.
8:37 Speaker 01 That's not just it. On November eighteenth, New York Times named my son as custodian witness. Custodian witness is very, very important. He had the documents against OpenAI. That was on eighteen twenty second. He just came back from vacation from LA and Catalina Island the same night. They have attacked him and killed him.
9:03 Tucker Carlson? Tell us about what the New York Times wrote on November 18th. He had these documents. What were the documents?
9:10 Speaker 01 We need to get the documents from New York Times. It's a sealed document and it's not open for public. But we need to become like the estate administrator. My husband will be the estate administrator end of this month. Then we will go and acquire the data, what documents they were. At the moment, we don't have information.
9:28 Tucker Carlson? But you know, because you read it in the New York Times, that your son had given journalists papers that he says implicated OpenAI in crime.
9:38 Speaker 01 Yes, and also on December 2nd, Suchir had an interview planned with Associated Press, Matt Oberen. On December 2nd, Suchir did not attend. Third, they called on his phone. By then, we had his phone. My husband took phone call and he found out that Suchir wanted to take legal action against OpenAI. He wanted to give the witness. By then, this news was not out yet that Suchir was a custodian witness, but we got it. Then all we did was hurrying up the second autopsy, private autopsy moment. We heard that this was his initiative and he didn't make it to do that.
10:18 Tucker Carlson? So to bottom line it, it sounds like your son, who's your only child, by the way, and I'm really sorry about that. Your son was in a position to threaten, really threaten OpenAI.
10:33 Speaker 01 Well, it's not, his intent was not to threaten. He just cared about people. He cared about humanity. He writes in his article in New York Times as well as a publication. He believes the way the AI is currently without any regulation is a harm to humanity. He stood up for a cause and he lost his life for a cause. He's a martyr. Obviously, he's a martyr. And then he never hesitated. He took his, put his life at risk.
11:00 Tucker Carlson? So the official cause of death is suicide. You're his mother, clearly you spoke to him a lot. Did you get any indication that he was depressed?
11:10 Speaker 01 No, he just came back from vacation. He had a very active lifestyle. When we had his memorial service, many of his friends came and they gave the details of when they met him and how many times they met him after he left. He was visiting family, we were going out for dinner, lunch. He was fine and more than anything else, he had concrete career plans.
11:33 Tucker Carlson? Yes, and interviews scheduled and he had things on his to-do list.
11:40 Tucker Carlson? Did he ever suggest to you, say to you that he felt his life was threatened? Was he worried?
11:47 Speaker 01 He had concrete plans. He wanted to do some work for humanity. That's the last day when we spoke, last conversation with Suchir in person was that. He had a nonprofit in mind and he didn't want to take the salary for his work. He said, "Mom, I have enough resources. I don't even need to get paid. I want to serve humanity." And he wanted to work in neuroscience and machine learning combination. Using that, I think I've seen on his desktop one of the project for future of doctor visit. Since we haven't unlocked his email and laptop yet, we have to discover that. But we know, he discussed with me, it's a one-year plan. He said, "Give me a one-year time, you'll know everything."
12:31 Tucker Carlson? Did he ever talk to you about Sam Altman?
12:35 Speaker 01 We...
12:36 Tucker Carlson? Did you ever talk to your son about Sam Altman?
12:38 Speaker 01 No, we refused to.
12:40 Tucker Carlson? You refused to?
12:40 Speaker 01 We refused to talk to Sam Altman.
12:43 Tucker Carlson? But did your son ever talk to you about Sam Altman? Did he ever say anything about Sam Altman?
12:48 Speaker 01 Not to me, but to his friends a lot. When he was in Catalina Islands, he spoke a lot against him. He literally didn't like him. In fact, I've seen his chat log saying that he wanted to work with Annie Altman in her nonprofit work.
13:04 Tucker Carlson? And that would be Sam's sister who was accused him of sexual abuse?
13:08 Speaker 01 Yes.
13:09 Tucker Carlson? Hmm. Really? He wrote that down?
13:12 Speaker 01 Yes, so he, he knew what personality Sam Altman had. And um, his main concerns were the lies.
13:22 Tucker Carlson? The lies?
13:23 Speaker 01 Lies that Sam Altman used.
13:24 Tucker Carlson? The lies?
13:25 Speaker 01 Lie, yeah. He was lying a lot and my son is very ethical and he,
13:32 Speaker 01 he couldn't stand it.
13:34 Tucker Carlson? So the time, if we could go to the timeline um, around your son's death. So he goes to Catalina Island with friends?
13:41 Speaker 01 Yes.
13:41 Tucker Carlson? To backpack, to camp? What was he doing?
13:44 Speaker 01 Backpacking, yes. November 16th to November 22nd. There were five guys who went and my son was one of them. All these are his middle school and high school classmates. Some of them are his best buddies. We spoke to every one of them when they came back and everyone gave an
14:02 Speaker 01 image like he is upbeat, was very happy. He celebrated his 26th birthday on 21st November, the day before he died. What mood do we need to give an account of his happy mood?
14:14 Tucker Carlson? Well, exactly. And if you, you know, at a certain age, you know, people who've killed themselves. And typically, you know, the suicide follows a, a morose period of isolation. The person's sitting alone in his apartment drinking. He died the night he came back from a camping trip with his high school and college friends?
14:32 Speaker 01 Yes.
14:33 Tucker Carlson? Yeah, okay.
14:34 Speaker 01 Our attorney, he came to his apartment with us. And moment he inspected his apartment, he said he had fresh supplies ordered. He has so many packets unopened. This doesn't look suicidal at all.
14:47 Tucker Carlson? So um, and the photographs that you took, which we'll get to in a minute.
14:53 Tucker Carlson? You know, I ju- I just want to say, this is not the first time I've been contacted by a family saying, you know, our child has ruled a suicide, but we think it was a murder. I mean, many people have claimed that. I've never seen anything like this before. This is um, this should, I think, again, to any fair person suggests that he was murdered. But let's get to that. So what do you know? He came back from Catalina. And if you don't mind telling us what you know about what happened then? He comes back that evening to San Francisco?
15:23 Speaker 01 Uh, he came around like 11 o'clock. He texted me, his flight is taking off. That was on 22nd. And then 4:54, he texted saying that it's pouring in San Francisco. And when he got off Uber, leasing office manager, he has apparently seen Sushir coming off with big suitcase and other things. And then Sushir said, yes, I'm coming back from LA. That's somewhere between one to two P M that day. And then he spoke to dad at seven fifteen P M. He was very happy and Balaji said like, shall we go to C S I, C E S in Las Vegas in January? Because it was raining here, dad brought up the concept that you know, weather will be great in January.
16:07 Speaker 01 And Sushir said, yes, and dad gave him a birthday gift.
16:12 Tucker Carlson? Gave him a birthday gift?
16:13 Speaker 01 Birthday gift because twenty first was his birthday. He said he'll send him it, you know, cash, just a token of love and Sushir accepted it.
16:23 Tucker Carlson? Then that's the night he died?
16:26 Speaker 01 The day he died.
16:28 Tucker Carlson? So his last conversation with his father was what time roughly?
16:32 Speaker 01 That's the last conversation.
16:33 Tucker Carlson? That was the last conversation?
16:35 Speaker 01 I called the next day, twelve fifteen P M. Phone rang once and it went to voicemail.
16:45 Tucker Carlson? Um, when did you learn that your son was dead?
16:49 Speaker 01 That was on twenty sixth, twenty fifth, I went to his apartment, knocked on the door, no one opened. I called the dispatch. Unfortunately, it took a day of effort for us to get his apartment open. Twenty fifth, they went and they didn't even call me back what happened. Apparently they have gone and knocked on the door. They didn't bother to open the door. They just said, okay, nobody is opening the door and they went back. Security guard from the apartment complex says he saw the fire truck and the ambulance and the police. And they went back. Five thirty, I waited, waited and waited and five thirty P M when I called on Monday twenty fifth. They said, ma'am, unless you are here, we cannot open the door.
17:32 Speaker 01 Next morning, unions, I went to Union City Police Station, that's where we live. And filed a missing person complaint. I waited for one, one and a half hours, but both the parents, me and my, when we started calling all the hospitals in San Francisco area. To see if he, he may have had an accident, why he's not responding to us, what happened to him. Moment we found that he was not in any of the hospitals, we took a deep breath, okay, he's safe. But when we went to his apartment, one o'clock, I went to San Francisco. And the dispatch came at one oh nine. Until four o'clock, we were not told anything.
18:12 Tucker Carlson? Um, and then you got a call from, from the city?
18:16 Speaker 01 No, that was not how it went. One oh nine, two people, two officers came. And they went with the leasing office manager, leasing manager, and I'm waiting outside, they didn't allow me inside the premises. I'm waiting outside the complex. Then one, one, three, they have seen, apparently, that's what the report says. They've seen the body, within five, ten minutes, they came out. And they told me, no, we didn't enter, we're waiting for two more officers. We have a security protocol, we cannot go inside. Around two o'clock, two more officers came.
18:49 Tucker Carlson? But they knew your son was dead and they lied to you?
18:51 Speaker 01 They didn't tell at that moment.
18:54 Tucker Carlson? Hmm.
18:55 Speaker 01 Two o'clock, they have a protocol, I don't blame them. Two o'clock, two officers came. They went inside, twenty minutes, they came back and said. We're waiting for two more officers, we have security protocol, we can't go inside. And they said at two o'clock, they said, ma'am, you can go back home, we'll inform you in five to six hours. I said, I'm not going anywhere. They told me it's going to take some time for the next two officers to come. I said, let it be, please give me the phone number, I'll contact them and find out if there's any way we can expedite it. My son's safety is in question, I cannot wait any longer. And then at three twenty, I saw a big white van coming. And my heart sank.
19:36 Tucker Carlson? So they knew as they were speaking to you that your son was dead but didn't tell you?
19:40 Speaker 01 They didn't tell.
19:41 Tucker Carlson? That's disgusting. That's inhuman, sorry.
19:45 Speaker 01 It is, it is, and you know what, they're asking me to go home.
19:51 Speaker 01 And how I knew my son was dead is looking at the white van. At that moment, I knew ambulance didn't come. And instead of, even then, I was optimistic, okay, maybe ambulance wasn't available. They sent another van. And when I just saw a structure that came out, I went and spoke to the officers who are the medical examiners. They said, we have a dead person in the apartment. That's how I came to know.
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23:35 Tucker Carlson? I'm so sorry. That is really, I mean, that is, I didn't know things like that happened. That is awful.
23:43 Speaker 01 It's a gated community. He had a gun with him to protect himself.
23:49 Speaker 01 What more can be expected in America than this? It's a very reputed apartment complex. Not that it's cheap or something. They have four or five units, four or five buildings, I mean to say.
24:00 Tucker Carlson? Did the officers at the scene give you any indication of how they thought your son died?
24:08 Speaker 01 At four o'clock, they came to the leasing office. And then medical examiner said, he shot himself, he killed himself, it's a suicide. At that moment, I raised to them, look, my son went into New York Times, he's a whistleblower. And his death doesn't look suicide to me. They just didn't want to listen. He bought a gun, it belongs to him. Nobody went into the complex, nobody came out, he was all by himself.
24:36 Speaker 01 And it's a suicide. And how long it took, can you believe it? Forty minutes to investigate. Forty minutes to determine the date, cause of death. And at four o'clock, they gave me the keys for the apartment, and they say you can collect the body tomorrow. Like, right from that moment, I see foul play. Proper formalities were not followed, and the next day, they released the body. Within twenty-four hours, without doing the complete autopsy. They removed the bullet, they did a CT scan, just returned the body to us. Then, we just checked with the funeral home and we discussed with them. And then they also said, looks like, doesn't seem normal, there's something very unusual here, you should do a second private autopsy.
25:21 Tucker Carlson? The funeral home suggested that?
25:24 Speaker 01 Yes. And even we were thinking. Both of us were also thinking, funeral home also suggested, we were shattered, obviously, right? We were completely shattered, we just didn't know what's going on and seeing our son like that, and they said like, his eyes are gone with the gun wound. Don't see his face.
25:45 Speaker 01 We couldn't see him.
25:47 Tucker Carlson? But the fact that the funeral home, which of course sees dead bodies every day, said to you, this doesn't look right, doesn't look like a suicide, we recommend that you get a second autopsy, a real autopsy. That's amazing.
26:00 Speaker 01 Actually, the way it's, they didn't look at the body, they didn't look at any evidence. But the way the information was given to us and the way the procedures and policies need to be followed and norms were not followed according to them. Before they received the body itself, they said this doesn't look normal. And we addressed the concern that it could be some foul play here. And we knew, from the very moment we heard the news, we know it's not suicide. Next day, in the death news, and I'm shattered, but calling police, calling medical examiner, coroner's office, homicide unit.
26:37 Speaker 01 We've done everything we can.
26:39 Tucker Carlson? So, tell me what you know about what's been proven from the CCTV, from the surveillance footage about your son's last moments? Is there any evidence anyone came in or out of the apartment?
26:53 Speaker 01 No. Actually, even when our attorney concluded it's a suicide, even at that moment, I mentioned to the attorney, look, there are three entrances to this building. One of them is gated, it has CCTV. Other two entrances don't have CCTV. And why are we ignoring that nobody came in, nobody went out? And also, what we just recently discovered is his packages are missing. His roommate, or no, his, you know, neighbor in the apartment complex, he mentioned that in the, they have a shade package room, they have a shade bin or basket or something. He's seen Suchi's package until December 31st. He reached out to me through Twitter, on X platform, when I tweeted, he found out I'm Suchi's mom and he said,
27:39 Speaker 01 "Have you picked up Suchi's packages? I don't see that after January 1st." Those packages are missing. When we talked to that neighbor, he said like it's very common that packages get lost. In September, they received a notification that if you see so-and-so man, then let us know. That tells us a lot about the security. And, you know, like there's a compromise of key, there's a compromise of entrance. All of these need to be investigated, obviously, when there is a murder.
28:09 Tucker Carlson? So, let's get to the reason that I am anxious to do this interview, which is this report that you commissioned, Dr. Janesh Rao, and it contains his analysis of the condition of your son's body, based on an autopsy, I believe. And it critically contains seven crime scene photographs that you took in your son's apartment, is that correct?
28:35 Speaker 01 That's right. There are seven evidences that were very critical, which has not been picked up by the authorities. Within 40 minutes, they concluded, they haven't even picked up critical things like a bag with blood that has my son's saliva in it. They haven't picked that up. And how could they miss hairs falling all over from the wig?
28:56 Tucker Carlson? Right. So, that's what I want to get to. So, the two things that jump out... To me, the first thing that jumps out, and it's very obvious from the photographs that you took, is that there's blood all over the apartment. So the official explanation is that your son shot him, and I'm sorry, I know this is hard, but I think it's important to go through this. The official explanation is your son shot himself once in the head, and the bullet entered the brain stem and extinguished life immediately.
29:21 Speaker 01 Can I say something there?
29:22 Tucker Carlson? Yes.
29:23 Speaker 01 It didn't touch his brain stem at all.
29:25 Tucker Carlson? Oh.
29:26 Speaker 01 It didn't even touch his brain, and the angle is downwards.
29:30 Tucker Carlson? Yes, I'm saying the official explanation is he shot himself once in the head, he died.
29:33 Speaker 01 Yes.
29:34 Tucker Carlson? But these photographs show that that's not at all what happened, because there's blood all over the apartment. There's blood on the door, on the floor, in the bathroom, there's blood everywhere. So, that right there, just employing common sense, tells you that, you know, that the person from whom that blood came, your son, presumably, did not have a fatal brain injury, at least when he was bleeding. I mean, this is, something was going on in the apartment, right?
30:04 Speaker 01 Yes.
30:05 Tucker Carlson? The second thing that jumps out is that there is a tuft of hair that's not hair, it's from a wig.
30:12 Speaker 01 It's from a wig, and there's a clip seam.
30:14 Tucker Carlson? It's, okay, so tell us what that is for people who don't know, it's a part of a clip-in wig.
30:19 Speaker 01 Like, there's some kind of plastic band or something that would fit the wig on the head, we can see that coming out behind the door.
30:26 Tucker Carlson? Yes.
30:27 Speaker 01 And that's obvious evidence that no crime scene investigators or police can miss. They just ignored everything that showed murder, and they picked up everything that showed a cover-up suicide.
30:39 Tucker Carlson? But how could they ignore, so your son did not, I mean, he was a 26-year-old man with short hair from pictures, he's not wearing a wig, correct?
30:46 Speaker 01 No, no, no, he is not. And these hairs are not his. This investigator's analysis looked at the hair from the autopsy pictures, but my son's hair, and this hair, this is not his hair.
30:57 Tucker Carlson? And the, and the portion of the wig, the clip-in wig, has blood on it?
31:01 Speaker 01 Yes.
31:02 Tucker Carlson? Okay, so as a, you know, non forensic investigator myself, I look at that and I'm saying that's a, that's a, where did this come from? And there's blood all over the apartment. Right there, I would say this is, you know, maybe it's a suicide, but you're gonna have to tell me how, because that, you know, what is that?
31:20 Speaker 01 It's not a suicide, it's a homicide, obviously. We have enough reasons to believe that. One is coming from the private autopsy. It's not a suicidal angle at all.
31:30 Tucker Carlson? So you said that, and let me let you explain. It's not a suicidal angle. So you had the, the, the crime scene, your son's body was taken away, it was evaluated in some way by the authorities, they say this is a suicide. You have an, like a real autopsy done by Professor Rao, and he says, what about the bullet angle? Will you explain that?
31:52 Speaker 01 The autopsy was done by Dr. Joseph Cohen.
31:55 Tucker Carlson? Okay.
31:56 Speaker 01 And he says two things. One of them is the bullet angle is going downward, about thirty to forty-five degrees downward. It's been shot here, it's missed the brain. Second thing is there's a head injury on the left side of the head. In fact, I spoke to medical examiner's office, executive director, I told him there's a head injury, there's sinus struggle in the bathroom. He just declared that I'm the decision-making authority of state of California, I decide the cause of death. And when I brought up we'll have federal investigation, there was a momentary setback in his voice on the phone, but still they're holding on to suicide.
32:35 Tucker Carlson? So Dr. Cohen's autopsy, and this is grisly, I'm sorry, but shows, demonstrates, proves that the bullet was fired at what angle?
32:44 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's downward angle, that someone cannot shoot themselves.
32:48 Tucker Carlson? Right, so in other words, if this were a suicide, your son would have had to have held the gun to his forehead, coming down.
32:55 Speaker 01 From the top. He was made to sit. If you look at the same thing, like the victim was sitting down. He was made to sit, someone standing, he shot him down. In fact, like Balaji and I, my husband and I are going to create a virtual reality. Once we get all the evidence, we'll create a virtual reality video and present it to code what exactly happened to him at that moment.
33:18 Tucker Carlson? You also said, if I heard you correctly, that he had another head injury not caused by a bullet.
33:23 Speaker 01 Yes.
33:24 Tucker Carlson? Can you tell us about that?
33:25 Speaker 01 Actually, it appeared to us that from his fallen toothpick and toothpick and blood in the sink and all that, it appeared around 10ish because 10:10 is his last browser history on the desktop. He was brushing his teeth before going to bed. He was attacked from behind on the head.
33:45 Speaker 01 That's why this fallen dustbin, this fallen toothpick and his earbud has fallen in two different directions because of the head impact. And we believe after that he was either electrocuted or he was, you know, like he was paralyzed from the head injury. And then he just, they just held him up, made him sit and shot him. But also, we know that, that we're waiting for further report, but that may not be the cause of death. The gunshot wound is not the cause of death and probably they might have suffocated him. We don't have any details of that cruelty, but we're waiting for further reports from CT scan.
34:26 Tucker Carlson? Why do you believe the gunshot was not the cause of death?
34:29 Speaker 01 Because it's not touched the brain. It only causes, makes him unconscious.
34:36 Tucker Carlson? So the autopsy showed that the bullet did not touch his brain?
34:39 Speaker 01 Yes. And also since I called apartment on 12, on 23rd at 12:15pm, it rang once and it went to voicemail. That makes me believe.
34:53 Speaker 01 The killers were still there in the apartment. Again, we need to verify all that. We can do something called geofencing. Through that, we can figure out who was there, who was visiting the complex and all that information. That's exactly why we need thorough investigation.
35:09 Tucker Carlson? You certainly do. You said your son's last browser record is from 10:00 PM-ish?
35:17 Speaker 01 10:10 PM.
35:18 Tucker Carlson? And what was he looking at, do you know?
35:23 Speaker 01 I think he was looking at a black cat or something. Because last time in Sushir and I met, a cat was going in front of me. And then I told him it's a superstation. And then he was looking at neuroscience topics. And he logged into a website for the, you know, for the startup or something like that. He logged into a website and he was doing some research.
35:49 Tucker Carlson? So he wasn't looking up, how do I kill myself?
35:51 Speaker 01 No, that's the first thing that we look for, actually.
35:54 Tucker Carlson? Of course, of course, of course. I mean, killing yourself is a, you know, a profound decision. People, there are signs.
36:03 Speaker 01 And can I say something? It doesn't add up if he's so brave to go to news media, to be a witness. He's so courageous. How does someone so courageous do a cowardly act? It doesn't add up at all.
36:18 Tucker Carlson? What doesn't add up is there's blood all over the apartment. And there's a piece of a wig on the ground covered in blood. That's not his wig. And, you know, you don't need to be a detective to imagine that if someone's going to commit a murder, he might be wearing a wig as he goes into the apartment. So that right there, considering your son didn't wear a wig, as a 26-year-old male, you know...
36:43 Speaker 01 Hairs were not his, that's also another thing.
36:45 Tucker Carlson? What weren't his?
36:46 Speaker 01 Those hairs were not his hair. We have the picture of his hairs. His hair is swollen down in the bathroom sink. That is different from the wig and the hair in the wig.
36:58 Speaker 01 His original hair have been found on the floor. They might have strangled him by his hair or something. His hair has fallen down. That hair versus the wig hair are different.
37:13 Tucker Carlson? Did anybody hear anything in the apartment? Did anyone hear the gunshot?
37:17 Speaker 01 No.
37:17 Tucker Carlson? No one heard anything?
37:18 Speaker 01 No one heard anything.
37:20 Tucker Carlson? And two entrances into the complex have no surveillance cameras?
37:25 Speaker 01 Yes.
37:28 Tucker Carlson? Wow.
37:30 Tucker Carlson? It makes the hair on your arms go up.
37:31 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's a lot.
37:33 Tucker Carlson? Yeah, again, I've been involved in many stories like this, more than five, and I've never seen one like this.
37:40 Speaker 01 It's brutal.
37:41 Tucker Carlson? It's unbelievable. So what's unbelievable is it's so obviously not a clean-cut story. I mean, you wouldn't walk into an apartment with blood splattered everywhere and see a man on the floor with a gun in his hand and say, "Oh, it was a suicide." Well, how did the blood get in the bathroom? He shot himself in the head. Like, that doesn't even make sense.
37:59 Speaker 01 It was a cover-up, right? So they picked up what they want to pick up. We don't know if they have been instructed to do this beforehand.
38:06 Tucker Carlson? So, um, okay, let's... Thank you for describing all of that, and I'm sorry, I know it's awful.
38:11 Speaker 01 Yeah.
38:12 Tucker Carlson? But, um, tell me how the authorities responded, if you don't mind.
38:18 Speaker 01 Authorities have been very indifferent. In fact, we hired an attorney, a senior attorney. He wrote to chief of police, city administrator, chief medical examiner, executive director of medical examiner. He wrote very clearly, couple of points. One of them is he was not suicidal. Before making a decision of suicide, they need to take his mental state into account.
38:41 Tucker Carlson? Yes.
38:42 Speaker 01 He has happy pictures. They showed the pictures. He just came back and he said, "Talk to four of his friends who accompanied him." And he also said autopsy information in that letter. The autopsy report says that this is the angle of gunshot. It doesn't look suicide at all. A doctor described this as atypical, abnormal, worrisome angle. We wrote all of this to them. We just had them to reconsider it and do the investigation. Chief of police apparently has agreed to do investigation, but medical examiner stopped it. He said, "No, this is suicide." And the attorney came back and said what they said was, "Oh, yeah, the angle looks different, so what? It's a suicide."
39:25 Tucker Carlson? A man shooting himself in the forehead from a downward angle. Yeah, okay. Um, I'm not even sure if that's possible, but.
39:33 Speaker 01 We are going to demonstrate that. We just ordered a dummy gun. We're going to create a dummy of his size. And we're going to demonstrate using the VR out in the video. We're going to demonstrate to people it's not possible.
39:44 Tucker Carlson? Who is the medical examiner who refuses to reconsider a pretty obviously silly explanation for this?
39:52 Speaker 01 Um, his name is David Hellman.
39:55 Tucker Carlson? David Hellman is the San Francisco Medical Examiner.
39:58 Speaker 01 But he has been covered by David Sewell, who's the executive director. Every time we call, it's him. And even the news report is given by David Sewell. There's no foul play they say.
40:09 Tucker Carlson? And who is David Sewell?
40:11 Speaker 01 He's the executive director of Medical Examiner's Office. He is the one who's holding on to suicide despite of seeing all the evidences. He wants to declare it only suicide, nothing else.
40:24 Tucker Carlson? What does he make of the bloody wig and the blood splattered in the bathroom? When your son was not found in the bathroom, like, how does he explain that?
40:31 Speaker 01 Um, he didn't want to listen to it. He didn't want to pay attention to any of the things that we were saying. And you know, the worst struggle here is the first attorney, he was reluctant to help us. When he said, when Medical Examiner's Office said suicide, he didn't want to fight because they had been threatened, obviously. And we hired a second attorney. He got a crime scene investigator.
40:55 Speaker 01 And our attorney said, we'll give you explanation of every blood mark. And he came back this Monday and he gave explanation. And none of that explanation he gave corroborates to what happened in the apartment based on what we see. That means even the crime scene investigator was bought. He gave inaccurate results. If both the attorneys are like this, then where do we go? We definitely need some serious help here from the authorities.
41:25 Tucker Carlson? Okay, so the authorities would begin with the mayor of San Francisco?
41:30 Speaker 01 Mayor of San Francisco, actually Sam Altman is on the transition committee for the new governor.
41:37 Tucker Carlson? The new mayor? The new mayor. Sam Altman's a friend of the new mayor?
41:41 Speaker 01 Yes.
41:42 Tucker Carlson? Okay. So, let's move up, then you go to the governor of California, Kevin Newsom.
41:46 Speaker 01 We're trying to. We are first trying to meet the district attorney of San Francisco, DA of San Francisco. We probably are going to get an appointment sometime next week or later this week.
41:56 Tucker Carlson? It's mid-January, your son was killed in November.
42:00 Speaker 01 We have not been getting any appointment. We wrote to everyone, we wrote to Rob Bonta, we wrote to DA, like, we didn't get any appointment from any of them. Five weeks were wasted by our first attorney, he does nothing. He just keep prolonging, prolonging, prolonging. He wasted five weeks. Then we hired a second attorney. It's been almost two weeks since we hired, but now, like, we just didn't trust any of these people. We got a report from someone else, and now we're coming to media because these people, like, neither the authorities nor the attorneys are helping us.
42:34 Tucker Carlson? This needs to go to the Department of Justice, I think, in the Trump administration?
42:39 Speaker 01 I did right.
42:40 Tucker Carlson? You did?
42:41 Speaker 01 Yeah. We haven't heard yet, because it's only been a few days. We did right to them.
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46:14 Tucker Carlson? Has anybody in a position of authority in the state of California said to you, "Boy, this needs more investigation. It doesn't look right."
46:22 Speaker 01 Everybody is suppressed. No one has come in our favor. In fact, even our attorneys, to whom we hired, have been made to tell us a suicide to us. Every day, from every different angle, there is a push for us that it's a suicide. But we parents, we know and we want to fight for justice for our beloved son.
46:41 Tucker Carlson? But I don't understand on what basis. So, your son had just come back that day from hanging out with his buddies, okay, so which is like a happy thing. No evidence that he was suicidal whatsoever, and tons of forensic evidence that he was murdered. So, on what grounds are they saying it's very likely he killed himself?
47:00 Speaker 01 Okay, that's because of the cover-up. Remember, like, there was a gun near him. He owned a gun, and they put a shell casing and four bullets near it. They made it look like it. So, there are both the evidences, right, for the medical examiner to pick up. He picked up the one that looked suicidal. He ignored the one that looks like homicide. That's what it is.
47:22 Tucker Carlson? So, now to Sam Altman. What contact with Sam Altman have you had since your son died?
47:29 Speaker 01 We contacted HR for 401k plan details. Until then, no one from OpenAI ever contacted us. They gave the PR report that they're supporting the family. How? Suchir had obviously put parents in his emergency contact, right? They got the death news on December 13th. They made no attempt to contact us. And when we reached out to HR, Sam Altman said he wants to talk to us. By then, we already knew Suchir was, you know, his presence or his living would have been a threat to AI industry in general. I wouldn't want to name one company. But eventually, it's going to expose everything, right? So, we didn't want to talk to Sam Altman. And then they said, "We provide employee assistance program." Though he was a former
48:13 Speaker 01 employee, they said, "We have medical insurance. We don't need it." Then, they pushed us, saying, "We want to get you on a Zoom call ASAP to go over his talk options." Then, our response to that is, "Why are you in a hurry?" We are not. We've lost our son. We're grieving. Money is not important to us. Please talk to a probate attorney." And we had a probate attorney talk to the HR. This is our only
48:37 Tucker Carlson? They wanted to talk about his stock options?
48:40 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's why they wanted to get us on a Zoom call.
48:45 Tucker Carlson? Do you think, um, do you believe, you can't know, I guess, but do you think that Sam Altman was involved in your son's death?
48:53 Speaker 01 We don't know, we need to investigate it. We can't, you know, we can't say anything at this time. But one thing I know for sure is if he was deposed, there are few organizations who could have been impacted. For that matter, like there are a lot of AI companies which violate copyright law. And we don't know what OpenAI wanted to hide when my son deposed. What was the wrongdoing that he would have brought up, not just the copyright law? That's exactly we need FBI to investigate thoroughly. Was there any
49:29 Speaker 01 criminal activity? Was there any illegal activity? We don't know, right? Why? Why would they silence him? What would he have spoken? If it's just the copyright law, do you think these big organizations like Microsoft and OpenAI care? No, they don't care about it, right? Because they have money and power. What else was involved in the deposition, in the testimony that took my son's life? We need thorough investigation.
49:52 Tucker Carlson? So you haven't seen those documents? You don't know?
49:56 Speaker 01 Okay, there are two things here. One is the custodial documentation, right? The second thing is his own statement. His own statement we heard from few former employees of OpenAI.
50:08 Speaker 01 There are certain wrongdoings there.
50:11 Tucker Carlson? Like what?
50:12 Speaker 01 We can't say something that someone shared, right? So I would want to keep it more, um, you know, just overview, that's something like that. So that is the reason they're hiding. And you know what? If we come and tell openly, our life could be at risk. But we are taking the risk and coming out and telling publicly that's the reason our son was killed. Because he knew something that was going on, keeping in mind, he was feeding the data, right?
50:41 Speaker 01 Pre-training data, so he knows.
50:42 Tucker Carlson? So to be clear, you think this is not simply about OpenAI stealing, you know, copyrighted material? It's, there's more than that?
50:51 Speaker 01 More than that, hundred percent sure. Because copyright data, obviously, my friends and I were all talking, these companies, they get many lawsuits like this, right?
50:59 Tucker Carlson? Sure.
51:00 Speaker 01 Do they really care about it? No.
51:03 Tucker Carlson? What is the kind of thing they do care about? What kind of crimes do you think they would kill someone over?
51:11 Speaker 01 Stealing some data that against that that could cause a violation possibly. They might be stealing some data.
51:18 Tucker Carlson? From the US government, from other government?
51:21 Speaker 01 Yeah, something like that. Maybe government is involved, we don't know, we're speculating.
51:28 Tucker Carlson? Um, it's just a remarkable story. Do you think that we will find out? Like, how will the rest of us find out what your son testified to?
51:39 Speaker 01 That's exactly why we call out to President Trump to do a thorough investigation. We want the FBI director to be assigned to investigate this. This is not just about copyright. This is about a lot of other things that are going on that could cause harm to society potentially, not just my son's death. There's something harmful that need to be evaluated and like thoroughly investigated. That's exactly why they're covering up a suicide. Why do you think medical examiners, the executive director would come and tell? Why do you think nobody gives us appointment? Because there's some kind of foul play and there's strong power behind a medical examiner.
52:20 Tucker Carlson? Um, so you're saying that AI itself poses a threat to the world and that your son understood this?
52:30 Speaker 01 Yes, he understood it, but he was keeping in mind that's one aspect. The other aspect is he knew everything OpenAI does.
52:36 Tucker Carlson? Yes.
52:37 Speaker 01 And he might have actually felt overwhelmed by what kind of activity he got involved in. We know that he spoke to a copyright attorney, which is again a cover up, we suspect. And what Matthew Butterick told us on November 29th is, yes, I met with your son. He's a very brave man. So she told us what OpenAI did to him.
53:02 Speaker 01 He didn't say anything beyond that. That day, he said, I live in San Francisco, LA. I come to San Francisco quite, quite a few times and I'm going to talk to you next time when I come. And then he's been silenced, he's not telling us anything. We had a attorney call, even then apparently he did not say. So if we depose him, he's going to spill out everything. And also we suspect he's Sam Altman's friend and he's played against our son and has indirect involvement. We don't know.
53:32 Tucker Carlson? Wow. Um, there was a moment where Sam Altman left his own company or seemed to leave his own company for a few days. You may remember this. What was that, do you know?
53:42 Speaker 01 Sam Altman was fired. This was because of AI safety issues. The board of directors for OpenAI from the nonprofit side, especially one called Ilya Sestov. He and others, excuse me, fired Sam Altman. And then all the 700 employees, including my son, wrote a letter or a momentum saying that if they don't reinstate Sam Altman, they're all going to resign. So they brought Sam Altman, they fired Ilya, who's AI safety expert.
54:14 Speaker 01 And to be honest, few days after my son's death was announced, December 15, Ilya was seen in a presentation in one of the conferences. He had two security guards with arms, you know, with firearms around him. He was so scared of his life. So we are seeing a mafia behind all these things, honestly speaking.
54:36 Tucker Carlson? What were the safety issues that caused Sam Altman to get fired, do you think?
54:42 Speaker 01 Uh, we don't know if it's safety issue or whatever. We don't have the details of it. Even my son doesn't know any of these things. In fact, he supported Sam Altman's reinstatement.
54:51 Tucker Carlson? Yes, you said that.
54:52 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah. Like, a lot of AI safety people have been leaving OpenAI. If you notice, their CTO, Mira, I don't know her last name. Their CTO also resigned. Many people have been leaving OpenAI, not just the researchers.
55:09 Tucker Carlson? Do, big, why?
55:13 Speaker 01 That's exactly, I want to know why. There's so many people to leave, obviously. There is something, right, that they're not happy about, right?
55:22 Speaker 01 Only person who spoke against them was my son. Rest of them just quietly walked away. My son, he couldn't take it. He felt like, you know, he need to stand up and tell the truth so some harm can be prevented. We need to investigate all this seriously.
55:39 Tucker Carlson? Did your son ever mention, during that period when Sam Altman left, that very brief period, there was a report in the news media that said, within OpenAI, AI itself was being worshiped like a god. Did he ever mention anything about that?
55:57 Speaker 01 No, he didn't mention.
56:01 Tucker Carlson? And do you have any sense of what these harms are? I mean, clearly, people are afraid of what AI can do, not just by eliminating jobs, which is enough to worry about, but there are other things that people are very concerned about. Do you know what they are?
56:15 Speaker 01 They are in my son's publications. Some of them he's covered. One of them is like, less traffic means the loss of jobs. That was one of his concerns. I'm proud of him for bringing that up. He gave the graph, graphical representation of how the traffic is reduced to stack overflow and future websites that are a means of living for people. That will be taken away. That's his concern. And also the accuracy, as I mentioned earlier in the interview, the accuracy of data. And also, he says something called, like the modulation index or something, point five versus one dot O, he tells in his article, if it's point five, the data in and data out are not the same. If it's one, data in
56:58 Speaker 01 and data out are same. Most companies, including OpenAI, use point five. That means the data accuracy is not maintained. That is his biggest concern. He being kind of like an architect inside, he knows in and out of ChatGPT.
57:15 Tucker Carlson? What happens next?
57:18 Speaker 01 If my son were alive, he was planning to bring a competition to OpenAI. He was working on a medical startup. I even checked with him, how do you think it's a competition? Not directly, mom, it's an indirect competition, he said. He would have been...
57:33 Speaker 01 A great humanitarian, he would have done a lot of causes for humanity with the concerns he had. We lost a great human being, not just my son, who would have made a big difference to the world. Now, what we want is, we want justice. We want death sentence to the one who killed my son, as well as imprisonment for people who are behind it. We don't know who it is, but we want to know. And we want to know what my son stood against and take actions, at least in honor of him. At least do something that he stood for and, you know, let his soul be at peace.
58:10 Tucker Carlson? What happened to the piece of wig found on the floor soaked in blood in your son's apartment? Where is it?
58:14 Speaker 01 It's still there. We didn't pick it up because we want police to go and look at it.
58:18 Tucker Carlson? It's in the apartment right now?
58:19 Speaker 01 Nobody came to do the investigation. We have the apartment case. Nobody came to do the investigation. We have been requesting police.
58:27 Tucker Carlson? It's sitting there right now?
58:28 Speaker 01 Yeah, still there. We didn't pick up anything because it's crime scene evidence.
58:33 Tucker Carlson? But no one's investigating it as a crime scene?
58:35 Speaker 01 No. In fact, like, our attorney said up to December thirty first, these people will retain the apartment. In fact, we are paying the rent and we are maintaining the apartment as is because we want someone to come and investigate all these things with so much evidence. If medical examiner still calls it suicide, this is an ethical question, a regulatory question.
59:00 Tucker Carlson? So it's just sitting on the floor right now?
59:02 Speaker 01 Yes, it's the same place. We didn't touch any of that.
59:06 Tucker Carlson? Oh, this is a really crazy story.
59:09 Speaker 01 It is. Reality, right? It's not a story. It's how gruesome it is. And like, you see all the bloodshot, like, there was a fight and my son has been tortured. He didn't die immediately. And where, where can we go with, where is peace of mind for us? We can't, we just don't have any peace of mind. Our life is not normal at all. The only thing that could make a difference after the loss of our son is getting justice, punish the wrongdoers, protect AI.
59:38 Tucker Carlson? Did you know that California was this corrupt?
59:43 Speaker 01 Yeah, we know it's very corrupt.
59:46 Speaker 01 That's exactly why we're requesting FBI thorough investigation. We did speak to an agent, I think last Friday. We're waiting for that agent to get someone assigned, if you know, special agent or something. And we also know that there's a transition period in the government. Uh, some may be moved, transferred, some may be leaving, so we just thought, okay, let's wait. Meanwhile, we did all the groundwork that we needed to do. We have the evidence, we are here in the media. We're telling the media now we want the new oncoming federal government to intervene because Newsom, we know. Trump himself makes lot of statements against Newsom. We don't, we wrote to Rohana.
1:00:24 Tucker Carlson? You talked to Rohana, congressman from Silicon Valley?
1:00:27 Speaker 01 We wrote to him, no response from him, many people tried-
1:00:29 Tucker Carlson? No response from Rohana?
1:00:31 Speaker 01 Yes, many people tried to reach out to him, not one, many people. No response from him, because they're all inside, right? All this tech lobbying.
1:00:42 Tucker Carlson? Okay, I'm gonna, you know what, I'm gonna text Rohana right now.
1:00:45 Speaker 01 Please do.
1:00:46 Tucker Carlson? I'm going to, and I'm gonna send him this right here.
1:00:51 Tucker Carlson? And, um, Rohana has not responded to you?
1:00:55 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:00:58 Tucker Carlson? Um, okay.
1:01:01 Speaker 01 I sent out, I filled in a form in his website. I gave my phone number, I gave all the details on his website. Many people from whom we know have tried to contact Rohana. They took my email address and they said Rohana will reach, it's been two weeks, he hasn't reached us. Initially, we thought it's holidays time, so he's little busy. But even it's fourteenth of January today, no response yet.
1:01:25 Tucker Carlson? Okay, um, I'm, um, I'm gonna, I just texted him right now. And I just sent him- Pictures of the relevant information and I and I hope that you'll try again. I mean, Rohana is the Silicon Valley Member of Congress.
1:01:46 Speaker 01 We don't believe in state government at all. We know how corrupt it is, especially in San Francisco Bay Area. It's very, very corrupt. We don't believe in the system unless, you know, we change the governor.
1:02:00 Speaker 01 We won't believe anything will happen here. We need to go to federal and we also found out that he's protected under whistleblower act as well.
1:02:06 Tucker Carlson? You found out what?
1:02:08 Speaker 01 Whistleblower, there's a federal aspect as well.
1:02:10 Tucker Carlson? Yeah, he's a whistleblower, yes.
1:02:11 Speaker 01 Right? There are two things here. One is wrongful death, one is a whistleblower. The whistleblower comes under federal because the lawsuit was filed in New York and he was a custodian witness. So we have a backing from federal government involvement. If it's just the state, corrupt state would fight against it. Since it is federal, they can overtake the federal aspect. We are writing to Federal Trade Commission now, today or tomorrow. And we want them to do a quiet investigation of the case. We have a top attorney in whistleblower that's helping us prove one or means contingency basis. We will work with him and bring the truth out.
1:02:50 Tucker Carlson? I mean, your son was born in this country. You can't murder American citizens because they're standing in the way of your business. That is not allowed in this country. You can't do that.
1:03:00 Speaker 01 Imagine we are immigrants here and we came here, we raised our son, we were so proud of him. We don't expect this to happen in this country, in America.
1:03:11 Tucker Carlson? No, that's right.
1:03:14 Speaker 01 We don't expect this to happen. Like sense of security has been lost for me ever since.
1:03:19 Tucker Carlson? Do you worry about your safety?
1:03:22 Speaker 01 Potentially now that like we've gone so public, they may not target us.
1:03:27 Tucker Carlson? Yes.
1:03:28 Speaker 01 But there might be some kind of, you know, threat in terms of accidents or something like that can potentially indirectly they could harm us that they cannot be caught. We suspect that and I don't go out alone anywhere because I'm more vocal. So I don't go out alone for walk or anywhere. I always take my husband along and we make sure if we go somewhere, we inform our friends where we are.
1:03:51 Speaker 01 We just keep letting people know. In fact, like I don't want my family from India to visit me because it's a big risk for them.
1:04:00 Tucker Carlson? Has the New York Times called you to do this story?
1:04:03 Speaker 01 We called New York Times two days after we got his body and we told, I think his name was, I don't remember his name. So we told him many times. They haven't even interviewed. They ignored it completely. And he said he'll get back. He will say, he'll let us know what he can do and he doesn't even take our call.
1:04:28 Tucker Carlson? Um, what about the television networks, CNN, NBC, Fox, is anyone?
1:04:35 Speaker 01 Nobody. ABC just relayed the vigil, candlelight vigil that we had for Sushir and Milpitas. 1.5 minutes they relayed of the vigil information, ABC News.
1:04:45 Tucker Carlson? Local.
1:04:48 Speaker 01 Now that we just received this evidence today morning, we probably might reach out through some of the news media. Now that we have this evidence, news media will talk to us. We want to take it much forward.
1:05:00 Tucker Carlson? Yeah, I don't, for the third time, I just want to say this again. I don't think anybody, any honest person could look at this and say, oh yeah, that's a suicide. I mean, I just, you know.
1:05:09 Speaker 01 We were hesitant because like they can try to manipulate the evidence or something like that. We were very hesitant. You know, like they can even attack the apartment, remove everything, clean up, you know, like some things, crazy things, like they might cause a fire and then let the, you know, water sprinklers go on and it will destroy the evidence or something, right? That's why we were very quiet. We didn't go to media until we got this authoritative report. It's very scary.
1:05:38 Tucker Carlson? Well, I'm grateful that you're making, you know, as much noise about this as you are and you're as aggressive as you are. Thank you for doing that and I'm gonna.
1:05:49 Speaker 01 Whistleblowers' lives matter. We cannot lose. Honestly, I was talking to my son. I expressed concerns about his whistleblower activity, but what I was thinking was he won't get another job because he's going against employer.
1:06:02 Tucker Carlson? Right.
1:06:03 Speaker 01 He kept assuring me he has his own startup plans, but taking his life is something that I never expected. This is not the first time. Two whistleblowers from Boeing were found dead last year. One of them exactly same way. Another one died in the hospital. They drugged him.
1:06:25 Speaker 01 This is America.
1:06:27 Tucker Carlson? Yeah.
1:06:29 Tucker Carlson? Thank you for this.
1:06:32 Speaker 01 We need to protect them. Most whistleblowers, we were talking to the whistleblower attorneys, most of them, they don't even know there is support. There's not enough awareness. Going forward, we want to create awareness and help others. Then not just that, there should be some kind of regulation, protection. And I'm sure we are going to talk to New York Times at some point of time and said, how did you put his life at risk? If he was a custodian witness, why didn't you give him protection? Why was he left alone? Right? What kind of protection did you have for speaking truth? Costing his life?
1:07:07 Tucker Carlson? Well, I think most Americans like you would not even consider the possibility you'd be murdered over something like this. You know, the penalty you would assume would be, you know, having trouble getting another job, but getting killed in your apartment. And your son, I know I've asked you, so I want to make totally clear, he never mentioned being followed or feeling threatened or anything like that.
1:07:27 Speaker 01 Actually, I do have some observation. After New York Times article came, he didn't want us to visit. He would come home and avoid me going there. And he would also come during the weekday, not the weekend. I want to investigate why. Was he already under some kind of someone was following him or something? I was about to demand him an answer, but he's no more. Like slowly, you know, like within adults and like how much can we push him each time he visits? I just made sure like he's eating well and he's healthy and he has strong plans, he has hobbies, all of those things. But this kind of information, why are you coming in the weekdays? I didn't get a chance to push him.
1:08:11 Speaker 01 He was going to come for Thanksgiving and that's when I would question him, I thought. He wasn't even alive till then. We didn't have enough time.
1:08:23 Tucker Carlson? Thank you for telling us this story.
1:08:25 Speaker 01 Thank you for hosting us. We want Americans to know what happened and why has they been covered by news media? Why no one is talking about it? Why they want to repeat like parrots what medical examiner is saying? Why they don't want to stand up for truth? Why? Are we so sold out for these tech lobbying? Is there any regulation on the amount of money they can spend for lobbying? Right? It's indirect bribe, right? So they're all sold out. Can't we do anything? I'm an American citizen too. And this is totally disappointing. We're like, a reporter came home, he took the pictures, he wrote the article. And when I mentioned OpenAI's name, there was so much fear in him.
1:09:11 Speaker 01 He was scared. So the tech companies, they're controlling and they're turning out to be mafia, controlling the government, controlling the news media. What more harm do we want from them? Do we, public, do we need to live in safety or do we need to live in fear? What are we doing? Why are we quiet now? Now that an innocent life is gone, we're seeing so much going on. Why are we quiet? Why can't we start justice for such a movement? Why can't we do rallies? Why can't we go on a non-stopable movement until we get the justice, until we get the punishment? I'm calling out to all Americans to stand with me. We want to do rallies all over America. We want to do vigil all over America.
1:09:54 Speaker 01 And we want to enforce FBI investigation and punish the culprit.
1:10:02 Tucker Carlson? I hope this helps.
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