Chiefs Shutout, BGs Back + Allen Iverson on Crossing Jordan, Philly Fans, Step Overs & More | EP 161

92%ers, welcome to another episode of New Heights brought to you by WhatsApp! On today’s episode, we are joined by the NBA Hall-of-Famer, Allen Iverson But first, we’ve got a little new news because Travis and Jason are officially in the theme park business. Get all the details behind Travis’ decision to join up with Six Flags, what the ideal Kelce Coaster would look like, and why there might be wild otters running loose at Cedar Point very soon. We also recap everything from week 7 in the NFL including the Chiefs blowout win over the Raiders, Travis’ thoughts on the Chiefs offense with Rashee Rice back in the lineup, and what Jason needs to order at 1587 next week. We also break down the Eagles win over the Vikings, get Jason’s thoughts on Brandon Graham’s return to the Eagles, how close he might be to putting the pads back on, reaction to the wild finish in Denver, and why we’re at war with time zones. Later we are joined by an incredible guest for a very special stamp of the week so he can explain why he has a pin up tattoo of Jake on his leg. Finally we’ve got NBA legend Allen Iverson! We get his thoughts on his new documentary, how close he came to choosing football over basketball, what he really thinks about Philly fans, the origin of his signature arm sleeve, how he feels about seeing other players do the “step over,” and why he’s still star struck by Michael Jordan. Check out “Allen Iverson” on Prime Video today: https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B0FPBX3DW9/ref=atv_dp_share_cu_r Watch and listen to new episodes of New Heights every Wednesday during the NFL season and follow us on Social Media for all the best moments from the show: https://lnk.to/newheightshow You can also listen to new episodes ad-free on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. . . . Download the full podcast here: Wondery: https://wondery.app.link/s9hHTgtXpMb Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-heights/id1643745036 Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/1y3SUbFMUSESC1N43tBleK?si=LsuQ4a5MRN6wGMcfVcuynw Check out New Heights on Prime Video: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FR2MJWYS?ref=blog Shop all the New Heights merch at https://homage.com/newheights Support the show: WHATSAPP: It’s time for WhatsApp. Download WhatsApp now. Visit https://whatsapp.com/ AMERICAN EXPRESS: The refreshed Platinum card is here. Learn more at https://americanexpress.com/withplatinum. Terms apply. CACST #1022318 STARBUCKS: Try Starbucks new lineup of high protein beverages or customize to create your own! Head to https://Starbucks.com https://starbucks.com PELOTON: Introducing the Peloton Cross Training Tread+ Powered by Peloton IQ. The Tread+ is our most elevated equipment with personalized guidance and a variety of workouts—like cardio, strength training, yoga, and more. Learn more about the Cross-Training Tread+ at https://onepeloton.com. SEAT GEEK: Use our code for 10% off your SeatGeek order*. https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/NEWHEIGHTS ($25 max discount) *Restrictions Apply ALLSTATE: Checking first is smart. So, check https://Allstate.com https://allstate.com first for a quote that could save you hundreds. DRAFT KINGS: Don’t miss out on all the action this week at DraftKings! Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up using https://dkng.co/newheights or through my promo code NEWHEIGHTS. GAMBLING PROBLEM? CALL 1-800-GAMBLER, (800) 327-5050 or visit http://gamblinghelplinema.org (MA). Call 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Please Gamble Responsibly. 888-789-7777/visitccpg.org(CT), or visit http://www.mdgamblinghelp.org (MD). 21+ and present in most states. (18+ DC/KY/NH/WY). Void in ONT. Eligibility restrictions apply. Terms: draftkings.com/sportsbook. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino & Resort (KS). Pass-thru of per wager tax may apply in IL. 1 per new customer. Must register new account to receive reward Token. Must select Token BEFORE placing min. $5 bet to receive $300 in Bonus Bets if your bet wins. Min.-500 odds req. Token and Bonus Bets are single-use and non-withdrawable. Token expires 11/23/25. Bonus Bets expire in 7 days (168 hours). Stake removed from payout. Terms: http://sportsbook.draftkings.com/promos. Ends 11/16/25 at 11:59 PM ET. Sponsored by DK See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 1:13Travis Kelce?

  Thank you to our partner Royal Caribbean. Dude, have you seen this? Royal Caribbean just dropped The Legend of the Seas. It's the biggest cruise ship on the planet. Like, nothing's even close to being this big. And it's sailing out of Fort Lauderdale, starting this November.

• 1:31Speaker 03

  That's right. This thing is stacked. Seven pools, more places to eat than you can even count. I mean, they have something for everybody.

• 1:40Travis Kelce?

  Like, bring the kids, bring mom and dad, shoot, bring the whole crew. Everybody's got a spot. That's what makes it special.

• 1:47Speaker 03

  And the entertainment? Latin music, ice skating, full-on Broadway shows. It's pretty amazing. Pretty much everything you want in one place. Oh, and did I mention there's a water park?

• 1:57Travis Kelce?

  You didn't, and that's, that'd be the kicker for me.

• 1:59Speaker 03

  I love a water park.

• 2:00Travis Kelce?

  But the crazy one? Crown's Edge, a ropes course off the side of the ship, not for the faint of heart, brother.

• 2:09Speaker 03

  They've also got Playmaker, sports bar, and arcade, so that means games on every screen. I love a good arcade sports place combination.

• 2:18Travis Kelce?

  All right, count me in. Get the family on the new Legend of the Seas, sailing November 2026 from Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

• 2:26Speaker 03

  Visit royalcaribbean.com to learn more.

• 2:29Speaker 03

  The sky is definitely opalite in Kansas City right now for the Chiefs. There's no question. It was onyx for the first two weeks, but we are full on beautiful.

• 2:38Travis Kelce?

  I told you it was gonna be a banger, man. Being in the open field with the ball, man.

• 2:49Travis Kelce?

  Welcome back to New Heights, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, a Wondery show brought to you by WhatsApp. That's right. The app where everyone can communicate and all get on the same page. If you guys want to go somewhere, just makes communicating easy. We're your hosts. I'm Travis Kelce. This is my big brother, Jason Kelce out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio. Shout out to the Heights and shout out to the Cincinnati Bearcats, University of Cincinnati alum. The Cats are rolling in the top 25 right now, baby. Got homecoming this week. Just rolled on the, the Oki State. It's gonna be a fun one this weekend. Shout out to everybody going back to, to UC Ford, getting back to Clifton, having a few beers, man. Somebody have a shot for me at, at old Woody's, man.

• 3:32Speaker 03

  There we go.

• 3:32Travis Kelce?

  But back to the show. Subscribe on YouTube, Wondery Plus, wherever you get your podcasts and follow the show on all social media. Add New Heights Show with one S for fun clips throughout the week. Jason, tell the people what we got coming up. We got some shit coming up.

• 3:43Speaker 03

  All right, 92% we got another great episode coming up right now. We got the Chiefs dominating win over the Raiders. Yeah, baby. Eagles back in the win column. We needed it bad. Thank you so much, Taylor.

• 3:57Speaker 03

  We finally get to talk to the 92 percenter that got the most ridiculous tattoo of all time. Jets Jake face tattooed on his body. And a Philly legend, a NBA Hall of Famer. He's not the question, he's the answer. Allen Iverson is joining us today.

• 4:16Travis Kelce?

  Let's go.

• 4:17Speaker 03

  A living legend and more than that, just a freaking awesome human being.

• 4:21Travis Kelce?

  And an unbelievable documentary that he's coming out with, man. And he gets to tell his story and how it, how it all unfolded. But we'll get him on the show and let him tell you guys about it. Jason, go ahead.

• 4:31Speaker 03

  Well, before we get to that, we're gonna get into the some of that. News. News is brought to you by American Express. Don't leave home without it. Travis Kelce.

• 4:43Travis Kelce?

  Heyo.

• 4:44Speaker 03

  Is officially a roller coaster tie.

• 4:49Travis Kelce?

  Yes, I am.

• 4:49Speaker 03

  And we're not talking about the video game people. We're talking about real life.

• 4:53Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah. Yeah, we are. It came across the desk and I could not pass this opportunity up, man. I'm teaming up with Jana Partners with Six Flags and Cedar Fair. We're going to be a part of the theme park and amusement parks that absolutely rocked our world as kids. And hopefully give, give, you know, families nowadays, the fun and the memories that we have and we cherish growing up. I'm so excited for this. I can't tell you how crazy it is to say that I'm a part of this group that now is an investor in these theme parks that we absolutely loved growing up, man.

• 5:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, man. I mean, listen, I heard about it. I'm joining you too. I'm investing too, brother. I'm just going to keep riding your coattails. That's all I want to do.

• 5:38Travis Kelce?

  Exactly. We're going to be riding some rides here soon, dude. You already know.

• 5:42Speaker 03

  I mean, listen, I think, again, the moment I heard about Six Flags, again, those memories come back. And you think about all the people, you think about, you know, mom working, like amusement parks in Northeast Ohio are such like an embedded part of the community. At least it was, it felt like.

• 5:58Travis Kelce?

  It was when we were growing up, for sure.

• 5:59Speaker 03

  Mom used to work at Georgia Lake, uh, growing up. Uncle Don did. Our guy, Harry Clark.

• 6:06Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, he's seen the great, James settles. You already know, the list goes on.

• 6:09Speaker 03

  School trips to them and like, I don't know, man, there's just a lot of great memories are centered around that. Down at Cincinnati for training camp.

• 6:17Travis Kelce?

  Island.

• 6:17Speaker 03

  We would do Kings Island once a year at least. And it's just, you know, it's, uh, it's kind of fun. It's very fun. I mean, I remember watching Richie Rich growing up and I'm like, dude, what if I one day I own a roller coaster? So yeah, now we're, now we kind of do.

• 6:31Speaker 03

  Are we gonna get a Kelsey roller coaster?

• 6:35Travis Kelce?

  Man, dude, it's I just, I just.

• 6:39Speaker 03

  Even if it's just like a little kitty ride.

• 6:41Travis Kelce?

  My toes in the water right now.

• 6:43Speaker 03

  Well, let's just, let's play in the land of make believe. What would a Kelsey roller coaster consist of? Big drop?

• 6:49Travis Kelce?

  It's gotta have a few drops in there, one or two. I don't know, I don't know about like a millennium force drop, but definitely loops. I think it's gotta be, you know.

• 6:58Speaker 03

  Is it shoulder harness or seated bar?

• 7:04Speaker 03

  Or one of these crazy ones where you're like standing or you're like flying.

• 7:07Travis Kelce?

  I feel like it's gotta be shoulder harness. I feel like I love the Raptor because it was like your feet were dangling. And I like that being a big guy. I don't gotta worry about my like, my height being an issue on this thing.

• 7:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:20Travis Kelce?

  And then on top of that, one of my favorite rides was always the indoor rides. I always thought those were some of the coolest ones because you could just turn the lights off in those things and you didn't know where you were going.

• 7:29Speaker 03

  Is it wooden?

• 7:30Travis Kelce?

  No way.

• 7:32Speaker 03

  I kinda like, there's like, there's like a dirtiness to the wood. That I, I like the shake, shaking.

• 7:39Travis Kelce?

  All the wood is old.

• 7:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:41Travis Kelce?

  That's why.

• 7:42Speaker 03

  I mean, there's a shakiness to it. There's a, there's a, there's an even greater sense of like, is this thing motherfucking fall apart?

• 7:48Travis Kelce?

  You wanna be terrified?

• 7:50Speaker 03

  Listen, I mean, I want the adrenaline pumping and the scared, more scared I am, the more the adrenaline's pumping.

• 7:55Travis Kelce?

  Touche.

• 7:55Speaker 03

  Within, within limits. I mean, Six Flags is a top notch organization. They're gonna keep that big function, right? What would nine year old Travis Kelce think of owning a theme park?

• 8:04Travis Kelce?

  I mean, golly, I can't even, I can't even put myself in, in my nine year old shoes, man. I was.

• 8:11Speaker 03

  I mean, it's just Richie Rich, right? It's, it's the exact same thing that.

• 8:14Travis Kelce?

  You could just be a kid forever, man. Be a kid forever, man. I can't wait to, you know, I got my, my prestige season pass ready to rock and roll as soon as the season's over with. I'm gonna go up there and hit the, hit the park and I'm gonna try and get to as many as I can this off season, man. It's a, it's just, you know, lay my eyes on, on, on what everything Six Flags has to offer outside of just Ohio, man.

• 8:35Speaker 03

  Have you ever seen these challenges where you have to hit like a certain amount of rides and experiences it within a day? Where it's like, almost like a marathon of like an amusement park?

• 8:46Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 8:46Speaker 03

  You're like running from ride to ride just to try and get it all in?

• 8:49Travis Kelce?

  Come on now.

• 8:50Speaker 03

  I think we gotta do a new heights addition.

• 8:52Travis Kelce?

  Dude, live from the roller coaster, dude.

• 8:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean.

• 8:54Travis Kelce?

  Just the millennium.

• 8:56Speaker 03

  How much will you get done in one?

• 8:59Travis Kelce?

  That'd be insane.

• 9:01Speaker 03

  You gotta hit it all. You gotta hit the millennium force. You gotta hit the raptor, the phantom. Then you gotta hit the wave pool. You gotta do a body surf in the wave. Dipping dots on the way out of that. Chug a beer on your way over. Like, I mean, I think this could be, it's like a marathon race of amusement at Six Flags. I think that might be, that'd be pretty fun. All right. Either way, um, if you were to make a Six Flags theme park from scratch,

• 9:31Speaker 03

  what is, are there gonna be animal, you're a big animal guy.

• 9:34Travis Kelce?

  I'm a huge animal guy.

• 9:35Speaker 03

  This is what I'm picturing. Otters, just like not even in cages. They're just running around the park, free.

• 9:42Travis Kelce?

  Just got ponds of otters everywhere.

• 9:44Speaker 03

  Do we have a garage beer ride?

• 9:45Travis Kelce?

  Ooh.

• 9:46Speaker 03

  Twenty one and up ride only.

• 9:48Travis Kelce?

  You gotta chug a beer.

• 9:49Speaker 03

  You have to finish your beer by the end of the ride.

• 9:53Travis Kelce?

  Either that or you just get free beers before you get on the ride.

• 9:55Speaker 03

  And then it explodes the moment you open it after you get off of it. All right. Well, either way, this is awesome, brother. Excited to see what becomes of this. Uh, congratulations.

• 10:06Travis Kelce?

  Hell, yeah, man. Make sure everybody that's a, that's, that's a theme park lover like, uh, me and Jason, man. Uh, you know, these amusement parks go crazy for Halloween. So, uh, make sure you gear up, have some fun for the, uh, for the spooky season out there and, and hit an amusement park.

• 10:21Speaker 03

  There we go. Dude, Halloween is an electric one up there at Six Flags. That's a great time.

• 10:27Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 10:27Speaker 03

  Gosh. All right. Also, not just a theme park owner. Uh, we did want to bring this up, Trav, now that we're transitioning. You have once again been mistaken for Jesus. That's right.

• 10:38Travis Kelce?

  This is crazy. That's.

• 10:39Speaker 03

  From Samantha Kaiser, who noticed this during a funeral of all places. She's mourning the loss of a beloved one and she can't get her eyes off of Travis Kelce hanging from the cross.

• 10:51Travis Kelce?

  That's what?

• 10:54Speaker 03

  When your family points out at a funeral that the Jesus statue on the wall looks exactly like Travis. I mean, it does kind of look like you.

• 11:01Travis Kelce?

  No, it doesn't.

• 11:02Speaker 03

  It's got a very Travis Kelce look. I mean, I think we can all agree that this is not what Jesus actually looked like.

• 11:11Speaker 03

  It's always fun seeing the interpretation that Westerners have attributed to Jesus Christ. What um, if you grew that hair back out?

• 11:19Travis Kelce?

  I was about to say that man is well groomed.

• 11:21Speaker 03

  He is. That's a well groomed Jesus.

• 11:22Travis Kelce?

  That's a well groomed Jesus. He got some good conditioner.

• 11:27Travis Kelce?

  He had some good beard oil.

• 11:29Speaker 03

  What did they use for conditioner back in the day? Was it just like lamb's fat? It was just like, I don't know, like, what do you?

• 11:34Travis Kelce?

  I don't remember any conditioner being in the Bible.

• 11:36Speaker 03

  I don't think it was called conditioner, but there was some like oil.

• 11:40Travis Kelce?

  Oils, yeah, nice. They didn't use oil, olive oil.

• 11:44Speaker 03

  Dang, there we go. All right. Last bit of new news. Reminder, please continue sending us your new heights themed Halloween costumes and decorations. We're gonna look to have a surprise giveaway to some of our favorites.

• 11:56Travis Kelce?

  Heyo.

• 11:56Speaker 03

  And also, we're just gonna enjoy them. So please send them in. That wraps up new news brought to you by American Express.

• 12:02Travis Kelce?

  Heyo.

• 12:03Speaker 03

  All right, Travis, let's move on to some bold topics.

• 12:06Travis Kelce?

  Bold topics.

• 12:07Speaker 03

  Week seven in the NFL.

• 12:09Travis Kelce?

  All right, man.

• 12:09Speaker 03

  Starting with none other than the Kansas City Chiefs. Chiefs 31, Raiders Gilbert Arenas. Travis. What are your initial thoughts of this game?

• 12:24Travis Kelce?

  I didn't even know you knew what number Gilbert Arenas was.

• 12:27Speaker 03

  Are you kidding me? I used to hate Gilbert Arenas when the Cavs.

• 12:30Travis Kelce?

  Wizards, yeah.

• 12:31Speaker 03

  The first like go around with LeBron on the Cavs.

• 12:34Travis Kelce?

  I used to love them until they played the Cavs.

• 12:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, I mean, respect him as a player for sure. He would shoot the ball. I mean, he would, he was kind of the original.

• 12:42Travis Kelce?

  Just fucking chuck it from half court.

• 12:45Speaker 03

  So what do you, what the fuck that went in? Yeah, yeah. First regular season Chiefs shutout since 2011, my rookie year.

• 12:54Travis Kelce?

  Wow, that's so crazy and I can't, I can't wrap my head around it. I was actually asked this after the game. And it was the first regular season shutout of Coach Reid's career. I'm like, that can't be right.

• 13:05Speaker 03

  I mean, Travis, you know how crazy, how bad you have to be to not score a single point in the NFL? Like, that does not hap- how many shutouts on average happen a year? It's gotta be like one or two, maybe?

• 13:16Travis Kelce?

  I've seen a handful already this year.

• 13:18Speaker 03

  Travis, I don't think this is like, this isn't normal. I feel terrible for the Raiders. Like, this is a fucking.

• 13:23Travis Kelce?

  It was tough. There's some, there's some mind blowing stats. Like, we had as many first downs as they had offensive plays.

• 13:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:29Travis Kelce?

  Like, it's crazy to kind of think about. What really went on this past Sunday?

• 13:37Speaker 03

  I don't know that I've ever seen a team have 30 first downs in a game. I mean, that's in itself is crazy. Held the Raiders to under 100 yards total.

• 13:46Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 13:46Speaker 03

  Dude, I mean, I've had some really bad offensive games. It is a, it's miserable to be a part of those. This is right up there with them. Uh, Chiefs, 31 points in five offensive drives.

• 13:57Travis Kelce?

  They weren't getting much going on offense and we were putting together like, I think 17 and 18 play drives that

• 14:05Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 14:05Travis Kelce?

  scored in touchdowns and it felt like the, the first half went by like this. And we had three drives of, that were all like, really like long drive drills almost. I mean, I'll say this, man, I, I respect so many people over there. There's coaches, players, exactly. There's so, there's so many, there's so many guys, obviously they didn't have Brock Bowers. They didn't have Max for the majority of the game. He got banged up and hopefully he's all right, man. But it felt good to be firing on all cylinders, you know, offense, defense, special teams. Pat was finding a way to get everybody the ball. Rashid Rice finally got his chance to be a part of this madness and, and show what he can do in the NFL again.

• 14:45Travis Kelce?

  And I know everybody was excited to see him get going, but it just felt like as an offense, everything was working for us, man. And when, and when the big guys up front are, are rolling and, and the run games, and we're getting after them in the run game. And then on top of that, the ball's out of Pat's hands quick and everybody's making guys miss. And we're, we're getting these first downs here and there. It just, it's so much fun being a part of this shit, man.

• 15:11Speaker 03

  Well, that's what I was gonna ask, like typically even when you win or win like big games like Andy or the coaches like, listen, guys, great win, great performance. We're gonna get back in there tomorrow. We're gonna clean up our mistakes and we're gonna focus on the next one. Is there anything to clean up? Like, was there any negative, like, what are the teaching points from this game?

• 15:29Travis Kelce?

  I mean, there's negative plays in every game. And as you know, you always gotta find ways to get better. But I think, uh, I think the biggest thing is just getting healthy. Had my guy Trey Smith go down and had a few guys get banged up, get rolled up on. I know Kareem's ankle ain't feeling too good today. Ain't feeling too good today because he got rolled up on Rashid's first touchdown.

• 15:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:51Travis Kelce?

  But I feel like we just keep taking this momentum of how we're working throughout the week. And that's, that's where it's really paying off is guys are busting their ass throughout the week and detailing their work to where we're ready. We're ready for that ball to be out quick. We're ready to, to attack a defense a certain way and, and we're getting after it in the run game, man. And that sets up everything. That makes that job on the offensive line so much easier when you're, when you're finding ways to get five to six yards every pop.

• 16:17Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, you guys are finding ways. And one of the reasons it was so easy potentially is the return of Rashid Rice. I mean, the Chiefs offense had been trending this way for the last few games. Uh, really it's starting to find its own. The creativity was incredible, getting the big plays down the field. Running game started getting going, uh, the week before, and now you get, uh, the, you know, wide receiver number one back. First time Chiefs have had Worthy Rice and Hollywood Brown in the same game. Rice, seven catches for 42 yards and two touchdowns. Hollywood Brown found the end zone again. I mean, how many touchdowns is Hollywood? He's got like four now, five.

• 16:55Travis Kelce?

  At least it feels like he's getting one or two every game at this point, man. My guy Hollywood Brown.

• 17:00Speaker 03

  Find in the end zone, baby.

• 17:02Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 17:02Speaker 03

  Was it intentional to give him the first? I mean, I already know the answer to this, but yeah, go ahead.

• 17:06Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, we want to get him involved early, man. Let him, let him get, let him get used to, you know, having the ball in his hands, getting them rolling. Obviously, everybody loves Rashid in the building, man. He's one of our favorite teammates and, uh, we know what he can do with the ball in his hands. He's, he's a great route runner, but when he gets that ball in his hands, he's a strong runner. Um, he feels the defense, you know, the, the lanes, how to knife, how to knife the defense, get into the seams.

• 17:30Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 17:31Travis Kelce?

  And the cracks of the defense. And you know, that's, that's really where we, we missed him last year and we missed him a lot, uh, early on this season is the fact that, you know, we can just get him the ball anywhere on the field and he's going to make somebody miss. And that's a hell of a skill to have or a hell of a, uh, you know, advantage to have on the offensive side of the ball. Cause there's a lot of the, a lot of the, you know, opportunities you get in the NFL is a one-on-one opportunity. And if you make that guy miss and you gain those extra yards, man.

• 17:55Speaker 03

  Yeah. Speaking of living it, Travis Kelce's living it. Three catches for 54 yards, including a big one early.

• 18:02Travis Kelce?

  I am living it, man.

• 18:04Speaker 03

  How did it feel, brother?

• 18:05Travis Kelce?

  It pays to have really fast receivers on your team that take up a lot of attention and that's what Xavier Worthy did on that play. He took the top off the defense and a cover two look and I just had to get lost behind the linebackers. And that's what I did. I thought he was right on my trail and then, you know, he just stopped following me. And I ended up getting butt naked open.

• 18:24Speaker 03

  It's tough. Those backers don't know. Is Pat about to scramble?

• 18:28Travis Kelce?

  Speaking of roller coasters, man, I'll tell you what, man, being in the open field with the ball, man.

• 18:35Speaker 03

  A lot of guys are getting open. Rashid was getting open. Pat was hitting him with some back shoulder. He's getting a lot of big plays. So much so that Pat decided to post a Rashid highlight clip to the tune of Opalite.

• 18:49Speaker 03

  Apparently, things are so good in KC right now.

• 18:51Travis Kelce?

  I told you it was gonna be a banger, man.

• 18:53Speaker 03

  The sky is definitely opalite in Kansas City right now for the Chiefs. There's no question. It was onyx for the first two weeks, but we are full on beautiful. And then obviously, we got the play that never works with Pat. It looks like he's drawn the defense off sides. Good acting job here.

• 19:10Travis Kelce?

  That's hilarious because we had been practicing it like this and just to like, kind of like make a mockery of it to have fun, like working on this play. Like, yeah, but at the end of the day, we're just, we're running it for like a play we always run on that kind of situation.

• 19:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:24Travis Kelce?

  With the little window dressing.

• 19:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, try and draw them off sides. We're just not actually gonna play.

• 19:28Travis Kelce?

  And the mic, the mic just happened to catch him say this play never fucking works.

• 19:35Speaker 03

  That's great.

• 19:37Travis Kelce?

  It's so good, man. 10 out of 10, baby. It worked.

• 19:39Speaker 03

  Also, last thing from Sunday. How do we feel about this new trend?

• 19:45Speaker 03

  I mean, it works for the Chiefs. It's pretty good.

• 19:49Travis Kelce?

  You know it, man. It works. It works. I haven't seen that nameplate before, but it's pretty good.

• 19:55Speaker 03

  Commander's coming up. Monday Night Football. I'm gonna be there in person.

• 19:59Travis Kelce?

  I bought it.

• 20:00Speaker 03

  To watch my big, my little brother take on.

• 20:02Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 20:04Speaker 03

  The Washington commanders. What are we thinking, man? What do you think about the commanders?

• 20:07Travis Kelce?

  I mean, obviously talented football team, outstanding coaches. They got a lot of vets on that team. So they're gonna be ready. They're gonna be fired up for a Monday night game, man. And I get to see my guy Ertz, baby. Get to see him in the flesh, man. I haven't seen my guy in forever. One of my favorite tight ends. Obviously, we came into this thing together back in 13 and teammate in Philly for a long time. And, uh, I mean, it's, it's just when I see the guys that I, that I came in with in, in the league and they're still balling and they're still making an impact, man. It just gets me fucking fired up, man. And I know Ertz is gonna make some fucking plays come Monday night. So, uh, it'll be good to see him. Uh, but at the same time, uh, it'll be good to see a few of my old teammates and Nikki Allegriti and Andrew Wiley.

• 20:47Speaker 03

  That's awesome, man. Well, I'm looking forward to the game and I'm also looking forward to finally getting to 1587.

• 20:53Travis Kelce?

  Hey, I bought it, baby. Come on down to 1587.

• 20:57Speaker 03

  What, what am I getting to review?

• 20:59Travis Kelce?

  Um, I'll tell you what, man.

• 21:00Speaker 03

  Should I record a review to play within new heights?

• 21:03Travis Kelce?

  There's, there's not a bad dish in the, in the entire menu, man.

• 21:08Speaker 03

  What are your favorites? Okay. You like the mayonnaise soaked? You like the mayonnaise soaked, uh, whatever thingamabobber there?

• 21:14Travis Kelce?

  I made sure that that thingamabobber isn't on the menu.

• 21:17Speaker 03

  God damn it. Mayonnaise is delicious, Travis. Just cause you don't.

• 21:20Travis Kelce?

  You can get it added. We have it in the back. You can get whatever you needed added to it. I, um, I know you're not a lobster roll guy, but those apps are delicious.

• 21:28Speaker 03

  I don't have a problem with lobster rolls.

• 21:30Travis Kelce?

  They're just in terms of apps. I like the hamachi. I think that's unique to Kansas City. You don't get that.

• 21:35Speaker 03

  Hamachi?

• 21:36Travis Kelce?

  Hamachi, yeah.

• 21:37Speaker 03

  What's hamachi?

• 21:38Travis Kelce?

  Hamachi's a, it's like a, it's a little like, uh, shishimi or sushi, uh, app. It's not sushi. I think it's shishimi.

• 21:46Speaker 03

  So it's raw fish?

• 21:47Travis Kelce?

  Raw fish with the little, uh, seasoning on the top and the dressing on it. So.

• 21:51Speaker 03

  So it's shishimi?

• 21:52Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, a little miso, I believe. Sweet miso.

• 21:55Speaker 03

  With something else on it?

• 21:56Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 21:57Speaker 03

  And it's specific, how did Kansas City get a specific?

• 22:00Travis Kelce?

  It's specific to the restaurant and unique to Kansas City because Kansas City doesn't have like a lot of these. Obviously, they got some sushi spots that have fresh fish, but

• 22:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:09Travis Kelce?

  A lot of the steak houses keep it around the red meat.

• 22:12Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 22:13Travis Kelce?

  So they got that for the app. Obviously, you got Andy Reid's, I'll treat you to cheeseburger. It's a smash burger. Can't go wrong with that. It's a wagyu smash burger at that.

• 22:22Speaker 03

  Okay. What's on it?

• 22:23Travis Kelce?

  You can get it with, with like the special sauce. You can get it with ketchup. I think it comes with a few sauces that you can, you can pick and choose from. You got your chicken nuggets.

• 22:36Speaker 03

  You had chicken nuggets?

• 22:37Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah. Fucking crispy, delicious with three different honey dipping sauces.

• 22:43Speaker 03

  All right, now you're talking my language.

• 22:44Travis Kelce?

  All right, now.

• 22:45Speaker 03

  Come on.

• 22:46Travis Kelce?

  What else have we got? A lot of people love the pastrami.

• 22:49Speaker 03

  Is it a sandwich?

• 22:50Travis Kelce?

  No, it's just fresh pastrami.

• 22:53Travis Kelce?

  With a, yeah, with a dipping sauce and some pickles.

• 22:56Speaker 03

  What else is up there, man?

• 22:57Travis Kelce?

  Obviously, the steaks are like the main reason why you're gonna want to go to 1587 for sure, though.

• 23:02Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 23:02Travis Kelce?

  Then you got all, all the varieties. My favorite is the, the

• 23:06Speaker 03

  Let me guess.

• 23:06Travis Kelce?

  A5 wagyu strip. No, I, listen, I love, I like the wagyu strip. I think, I think that's what's unique about 1587.

• 23:14Speaker 03

  That's why I don't like the ribeye, because the ribeye is normally a fattier cut. I like regular steaks with ribeyes. Whenever I get a wagyu ribeye, it just feels like too much.

• 23:22Travis Kelce?

  Do what I love to do. Get the A5 strip.

• 23:24Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 23:25Travis Kelce?

  And then get the, get the truffle infused butter or the truffle butter on top and then get the truffle linguine.

• 23:33Speaker 03

  I like truffle fries. I don't like mixing truffle with steaks. Just give me the steak.

• 23:37Travis Kelce?

  Well, you're not, you're not, I'm telling you, you're gonna do it wrong. You gotta do it the way I'm, I'm asking it to. Just do me a favor. Just get it like this. It comes on the side.

• 23:45Speaker 03

  If it's a good steak, I don't, I shouldn't need truffle butter on it.

• 23:48Travis Kelce?

  No, you're right. You're just adding, you're adding to it like you like to add mayonnaise to your whatever.

• 23:54Speaker 03

  I will try it because I love you.

• 23:56Travis Kelce?

  Thank you.

• 23:57Speaker 03

  All right. Well, looking forward to that.

• 24:01Speaker 03

  Can't wait. Is there garage beer?

• 24:03Travis Kelce?

  Uh, yes.

• 24:04Speaker 03

  All right, perfect. Looking forward to seeing you Monday. Can't wait to, uh, I mean, I think it's gonna be a great game. And also looking forward to the pregame meal, postgame meal. I might go there multiple times at this point because apparently I gotta try a bunch of shit.

• 24:16Travis Kelce?

  Thank you to our sponsor, Colgate Total.

• 24:19Speaker 03

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• 24:24Travis Kelce?

  That's true. Otherwise, you're just out there running cardio. Can't get open for a big play.

• 24:31Speaker 03

  But it's not just football. There's a lot of things you need to prevent before they start.

• 24:35Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, like in your mouth.

• 24:37Speaker 03

  My mouth specifically?

• 24:38Travis Kelce?

  I mean, probably yours too, but I'm talking everybody's mouth. There's bacteria in there that can lead to oral health problems like cavities, gingivitis.

• 24:50Speaker 03

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• 25:01Travis Kelce?

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• 25:09Speaker 03

  And it's not just one contributing player either. It's a whole system. Toothpaste, mouthwash, and a special toothbrush.

• 25:16Travis Kelce?

  Now that's the squad you want fighting for your mouth.

• 25:19Speaker 03

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• 25:26Travis Kelce?

  Get Colgate Total on Amazon today.

• 25:30Speaker 03

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• 25:33Travis Kelce?

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• 25:37Speaker 03

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• 25:44Travis Kelce?

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• 25:52Speaker 03

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• 25:56Travis Kelce?

  And if you get the black card, unlock recovery amenities. Uh, plus bring a friend with you every single visit.

• 26:03Speaker 03

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• 26:40Speaker 03

  Let's get to the rest of the NFL, including Philadelphia Eagles. Finally back in the win column.

• 26:45Travis Kelce?

  Eagles getting the dub, baby. Eagles 28, Vikings 22. I feel like there's, there's a little bit of a rivalry in here from like the days that you were playing, man. I don't know why. I might, I might be from the outside.

• 26:58Speaker 03

  I know why.

• 26:59Travis Kelce?

  Outside in, but I.

• 27:00Speaker 03

  Travis, you were at that game in Philadelphia, right?

• 27:02Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, I was. I love, I love.

• 27:03Speaker 03

  You should know why there's a rivalry. Those fans got brutalized in Philadelphia.

• 27:08Travis Kelce?

  Oh no, they did.

• 27:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, dude, I was in Ireland at the Minnesota Steelers game. Just mingling about the day before the game at some of the pubs. Vikings fans coming up to me. They still are talking about that game from 20, the guys that happened. I mean, that's over nine, it's like nine, we're like nine years past this, guys.

• 27:26Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, it was at 17.

• 27:27Speaker 03

  17.

• 27:28Travis Kelce?

  It's still, but that's, I mean, look at like, that's like the last time that they've, they've made it to the NFC Championship, right?

• 27:36Speaker 03

  Uh, yeah, I think so. They've, they've been in the playoff since, but I don't think they've made it to a championship game since then.

• 27:41Travis Kelce?

  That was a legendary year. That was like the Kirk cousin to Stefan Diggs down the sideline. Like that was, that was, that was a lot of juice.

• 27:49Speaker 03

  I'm just gonna be honest.

• 27:49Travis Kelce?

  Going into that game.

• 27:50Speaker 03

  Did Eagles fans maybe go a little far? I'm going to say some of them probably did. I don't know, we should have been throwing rocks and buses, but I'll say this. Vikings fans came in there, Vikings fans came in very confident.

• 28:03Travis Kelce?

  Beating their chest.

• 28:04Speaker 03

  And they were doing skull chants on the planes and all that shit's going on on social media. They're putting the Vikings jersey on the statue.

• 28:11Travis Kelce?

  You can't entice it. Jason, we already talked about the statue. The Eagles fans are doing that.

• 28:17Speaker 03

  I don't think, I think that that was a legitimate Vikings fan. I think that was a legitimate Vikings fan. There was too much memorabilia. There was a lot of stuff on that statue.

• 28:25Travis Kelce?

  The Chiefs one that just was written on a red shirt. That was, that was.

• 28:30Speaker 03

  That might've been an Eagles fan. But either way, I, I think, uh, I, I don't condone everything that happened to the Vikings fans that day, but they came in mighty confident. And so, I mean, their defense was incredible that year. They, it really was.

• 28:43Travis Kelce?

  That was, that was a full, that was a fucking great game, man.

• 28:46Speaker 03

  It was. Well, it was a great game if you're an Eagles fan. All right. Either way, we're going to talk about this one from this year. Eagles 28, Vikings 22. Big game for the Eagles, man. They've been obviously on a couple game losing streak, losing to the Giants on Thursday night. We talked about Cam Scataboo and freaking Jackson Dart. And, you know, I, listen, in Philly, you know, when you're struggling, they're going to let you know, especially when the expectations are high. So, you know, they, they've been going through it. So to come back and, and bounce back and have this type of game, very, very happy. Not just as an Eagles fan, but, you know, happy that these guys responded this way.

• 29:23Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. Well, the, the offense is definitely back.

• 29:25Speaker 03

  Yeah. I mean, Jalen Hurts been under a lot of scrutiny. I mean, it's still like, I think, yeah, first of all, Jalen played out of his mind.

• 29:31Travis Kelce?

  What's new? People, it's like a roller coaster. This guy, this guy just keeps showing up to work, man.

• 29:35Speaker 03

  Bring it on. Like, I feel like the Eagles, when everybody doubts them early on, I would rather start off having struggles and then the fans get on them. And then it's like, okay, we're going to hunker down together. We're going to have to figure this thing out. Otherwise, we're all going to get killed here. So I think it ultimately nine times out of 10 makes the team better at the end of the day.

• 29:54Travis Kelce?

  It makes you circle the fucking wagons.

• 29:56Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 29:56Travis Kelce?

  It makes you figure shit out in-house.

• 29:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, we got to circle the wagons because we're surrounded by Philadelphians who are out for blood. So I think, I, I thought, I thought Jalen, uh, I mean, the deep ball, he was on the money. He was hitting all the big shots down the field. Saquon was going the first drive, then Cam Jurgens goes out, kind of stalled out. But the big thing I thought that was really different, everybody's already talked about it, the under center stuff, the play action. I think it seems like it added some more to the offense.

• 30:23Travis Kelce?

  Oh, it added to it. Jalen went 19 for 23 is how it added to it for 300 and. 26 yards, three tutties, AJ and Smitty, uh, swole Batman and skinny Batman combined for 13 receptions, 304 yards and three tutties by themselves. You think it's a conscious effort to just throw the ball downfield? Or you think they're, they're finally starting to get everybody to really play the run, uh, specifically?

• 30:49Speaker 03

  I just think that they're figuring it out, man. I think that the running game still wasn't really clicking. I mean, it clicked the first drive, but they stuck, they stuck with it and they kept kind of trying to establish it. And then they, uh, they hit the big shots when they were there and they hit the off schedule shots. And listen, Minnesota's a great defense this year. Brian Flores is one of the best coordinators in the NFL. Their weakness had been stopping the run. They were the best pass defense in the NFL, I think to date. Been getting a lot of turnovers. So this is a huge game for Philadelphia Eagles and Jalen Hertz. And these guys to get back on track and you saw it in the emotion they displayed after the game, right? You know that they needed to get this monkey off their back, get one under the belt. And, and now they're going to get to go play the Giants again. That's, it's a weird schedule where you play

• 31:33Speaker 03

  an in-division opponent back to like one week removed from just playing them on Thursday, but, um, I just, these guys are great. Nick Sirianni is a fantastic coach. And I know it hasn't looked perfect up until this point, but I just gotta think that these guys are, they're going to continue to figure this thing out. They got great players. They got great coaches. And eventually you have stuff like this where there's going to explode and the running game is only a matter of time as well. I really believe that they got a great back.

• 32:02Travis Kelce?

  When you have a 2,000 yard rusher, news flash, nobody's gonna, everybody's gonna be focused on trying to stop the fucking run. When Pat went for 5,000 yards and 50 touchdowns, did we, the next season, we saw cover four and safeties at 20 yards before the, the snap of the ball. You know what I mean? Like it's a different world, uh, going into that next season. You, you gotta keep adapting. You gotta keep changing it up. And unfortunately that means Saquon might not get as many carries or might not get as many yards and touchdowns and have the crazy 2,000 yard season. But it definitely doesn't mean that he's not going to make an impact. And, uh, and it definitely doesn't mean you're not going to win football games. You just gotta keep finding ways week in, week out to, to adjust to how defenses are trying to stop you.

• 32:45Speaker 03

  And Saquon's coming, man. I, I just don't, there's no, I, I don't care how it's looked to this point.

• 32:51Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 32:51Speaker 03

  What's the fucking guy from the Marvel universe? I am inevitable fucking. Thanos or whatever. Saquon is inevitable. It's gonna get going. All right. Jeff Stoutland is a fantastic coach. They have great players up front. I know it hasn't looked great till right now. Landon's starting to get healthy and that's gonna help. Cam got a little banged up and that kind of stalled things out this last week, but he's gonna get back there. Eventually this thing's gonna start going. We have a man Fred Johnson out there. Six offensive lineman on the field. That's dedicating to running the football, right? We get six big fuckers out there? Yeah, come on now. Let's go. We're running downhill. It'll get popping. I got no doubt in my mind. Eventually that run game is gonna get going. And once it does, now that the pass game is starting to click, you know this Travis,

• 33:34Speaker 03

  half of being successful as a, as in a, as a passing offense is staying out of shitty situations on third down. Like it is hard to operate continually in third and long situations. If we get that running game going, we get all these play actions off of it, whether it's the, the play actions under center and the runs under center, whether it's the RPOs in shotgun and the runs in shotgun, you marry all that stuff up and I mean, it's, it's gonna happen. I just know it. So, listen, I'm happy we got it done this week and looking forward to continue to watch this. Looking forward to getting the Giants in Philadelphia this next week.

• 34:06Travis Kelce?

  There you go.

• 34:07Speaker 03

  I also get to watch Cam Scataboo run like a fucking piss missile right into the fucking linebacker again. So, can't wait to watch that. All right, here we go.

• 34:17Travis Kelce?

  Well, you were talking about big fuckers. We got a new way that big fuckers are trying to stop the tush push.

• 34:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:23Travis Kelce?

  Vikings defend the tush, tush push by having a player legitimately just lie down on the line of scrimmage. And I, I'm not sure what this technique is. I don't, did it work?

• 34:37Speaker 03

  No, we still got the first down.

• 34:38Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. I mean, you're just trying to go to every.

• 34:41Speaker 03

  It was a valiant effort.

• 34:42Travis Kelce?

  Every length to, to, to not get peeled. I'm assuming that's what the center's trying to do all the time, but.

• 34:49Speaker 03

  I just like watching the creativity of it. I mean, they still got the first down. But I, I understand the strategy. You take out the guy's legs and have the other guys go over top. I mean, it's, it was, it was a good strategy. It might've worked. I don't know. They didn't get another opportunity to do it. So I would have been curious to see what it would look like the more times you executed it. I mean, if I was doing this and this happened in the game, I would just line up and tackle over and I would treat the left guard like the center and just do the quarterback sneak over there. Just have Jalen roll it over there and do the tush push. But either way, I like the creativity. I like Brian Flores coming up with something that's different rather than just complaining about it and trying to stop it.

• 35:27Travis Kelce?

  Let's, let's keep it on the defensive side of the ball. Brandon Graham has officially unretired.

• 35:32Speaker 03

  My man.

• 35:34Travis Kelce?

  How about it?

• 35:34Speaker 03

  He's back, he's back.

• 35:35Travis Kelce?

  From his podcast, Unblocked. I know that it was year 15. It was just like a great way to go out, but I don't want to have no regrets either. This is the only time in life that you could do it. After a while, ain't nobody calling no more.

• 35:48Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 35:48Travis Kelce?

  So he's officially an Eagle?

• 35:50Speaker 03

  He's officially back. Yes, he is back with the Philadelphia Eagles. He is on to, I guess, his year 16. I mean, it's, he's the most tenured Eagle by far at this point. I'm just happy that Brandon's doing what he wants to do. He wants to continue playing.

• 36:04Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 36:04Speaker 03

  And that opportunity's there. And to be honest, I think the Eagles can use him in multiple ways. Not just as a player, but his personality. He brings a lot to that locker room that I think will be awesome for him to be back out on the field with the Philadelphia Eagles. I think it feels right sometimes when you win a Super Bowl, you, you have some soft tissue things and everybody's wants what's best for Brandon, right? It's like, man, just go out on top. It's, it's such a great way to end your career. But at the end of the day, man, if you still want to play, you gotta, you gotta go play. Cause you don't want to look back in 10 years and be like, man, I really wish I would have done another season. I wish I would have been there with the guys for that following one. And

• 36:46Speaker 03

  I just, I don't think anything that happens this year is going to erase the incredible career that he's already had to date, right? Like, what's the downside of this? He comes back, he gets injured? Injuries heal. You know what doesn't heal? Having to live with the fact that you miss not playing anymore, right? And you wish you would have done another year. So I'm happy for Brandon because I think this is the decision that he wanted to make and he's happy with it. And ultimately, I think it'll be good for the Philadelphia Eagles. So, uh, love you BG, happy to, that I get to selfishly watch you again in an Eagles jersey for at least one more year.

• 37:23Travis Kelce?

  How about it? Shout out to BG. Um, Jason, you've, you've, you actually, you're considering

• 37:29Speaker 03

  Considering what?

• 37:30Travis Kelce?

  Not coming back out of retirement. You have formally announced that you are staying retired.

• 37:36Speaker 03

  There's no considering. I am not coming out. It is a firm decision.

• 37:40Travis Kelce?

  Philly, the boss on X responded to Sheffner breaking the news that BG was coming back. It says, yo, Jake Hels, you busy? And you responded, very, I'm very busy. He's got, he's got a lot going on. Too busy for football.

• 37:55Speaker 03

  Listen, if I wanted to and I, and I felt like I could, I would come back in a heartbeat.

• 37:59Travis Kelce?

  I mean, I think that-

• 38:00Speaker 03

  I sprained my calf jumping rope last year during the season. I knew my body can't do this. Like, listen, I might be able to go out there-

• 38:08Travis Kelce?

  But now you're a, but now you're a lean 265.

• 38:13Speaker 03

  More reason why I can't play. More reason why I can't play.

• 38:15Travis Kelce?

  This, this, and like you said, they could use you more than just at the offensive line. They could just, they could use you at tight end now.

• 38:21Speaker 03

  I would go out there and my body would crumble if I tried to play football at this point.

• 38:25Travis Kelce?

  You just did, you just did an NFL workout the other day. You looked amazing.

• 38:29Speaker 03

  A three hour workout. I did a three hour workout without having to go hit anybody.

• 38:34Travis Kelce?

  That's how long the average game is.

• 38:35Speaker 03

  I knew my body was done when it was done. And the moment I stopped, that following year, I'm spraining my calf jumping rope. I'm pulling packs, trying to bench press. I don't, I don't have it anymore. And I'm very comfortable admitting that. And more so, the team doesn't need me. They have Cam Jurgens, a great center. They have multiple depth players behind the center position at this point. They drafted a guy this year in Drew Kendall. And like, like Brandon could go back and he can do- 10 to 15 snaps a game and be a major contributor to the defense. I'm not, I'm not, you want me to go do like practice? I'm gonna fucking like go anchor on bull wrestling.

• 39:11Travis Kelce?

  Get these guys right.

• 39:12Speaker 03

  Go do 80 plays, you're fucking out of your mind. Like, there's not a fucking world.

• 39:16Travis Kelce?

  Jordan Davis every day of practice.

• 39:19Speaker 03

  My body would break in half trying to do that dumb shit anymore. I, I, I look at it now and I'm like, I can't believe I used to do this fucking thing.

• 39:26Travis Kelce?

  You're hilarious.

• 39:27Speaker 03

  Uh, yeah, no chance. And they don't want me back. So it's not like it's even.

• 39:31Travis Kelce?

  Well, let's talk about that attempted football workout with the Eagles that they posted. He responded on X saying that this was humbling. Honestly, speed was still there. Nice. But getting pinned, uh, trying to squat 505, which is a fucking ridiculous thing to even attempt when you only weighed 265 pounds.

• 39:48Speaker 03

  I don't think so.

• 39:49Travis Kelce?

  And my power numbers were way down. I'm gonna blame us doing a full workout on the field first.

• 39:56Speaker 03

  I do think that was the reason. I think if I would have just went in there and lifted, I would have got it.

• 39:59Travis Kelce?

  And just know in my head. So in your head, you're like a fresh Jason Kelce can still hit it. Nice.

• 40:04Speaker 03

  I don't think I can hit the power numbers I used to, but I do think I could have been respectful. Yeah. And I definitely could have got 505. And not only that, dude, I just, uh, I don't know how I missed it initially when he posted it. Arnold, that's right. Arnold Schwarzenegger in, in the comments on the Instagram post said, he said, you just overthought it. Go do it again. I think that was the direct quote, like, and so now I gotta do it again. Cause if Arnold typed me up, I'm gonna go fucking do 500 pounds.

• 40:30Travis Kelce?

  You got to.

• 40:31Speaker 03

  I just got a little SI joint dysfunction. So I gotta wait for my back to heal a little bit, but it'll be fine. I'll go do it again. It was fun, man. I, we've been wanting to do that video for a while. I think we did the, the bodybuilding workout video this, uh, this off season with Dr. Mike up in Detroit. People loved it, but one of the biggest comments under that video was, you know, we want to see what a football workout looks like. And linked up with my guy Fernando Noriega and, uh, got a little football specific workout in trying to beat some of my old records.

• 40:56Travis Kelce?

  Well, I enjoyed wa- watching you fail at doing 505 and the face that you made.

• 41:01Speaker 03

  Hey, I pulled my hamstring in beer bowl. I did, there's.

• 41:04Travis Kelce?

  Moving on to some, uh, other things that week seven, uh, gave us here in the NFL and around the league. Broncos Giants insane fourth quarter, down 19 going into the fourth. Broncos scored 33 points in the fourth quarter alone. What the fuck?

• 41:24Speaker 03

  It was an insane fourth quarter.

• 41:28Speaker 03

  Bo Nix, if you look up some of his stats when he's trailing, dude, I looked this up the other day. Hold on, let me find these fucking. Okay, Bo Nix's overall completion percentage is 65.2%. It's pretty just what he is regularly. When he is, when they're leading or tied, it's 60, he's worse. 62%. His rating is worse as well at 89.2. When he is in the fourth quarter trailing, he has an 81.3% completion percentage. That's a rating of 162.8.

• 42:01Travis Kelce?

  I saw that fourth quarter, guys were fucking making plays.

• 42:06Speaker 03

  That's true. The, the last, the last drive was just two jump balls, basically.

• 42:11Travis Kelce?

  Crazy catches. I'm like, holy shit. Which at the same time, you gotta be on the same page with your quarterback and guys are making plays and he's putting it in a position for them to be able to make a good fucking play on the ball.

• 42:21Speaker 03

  But why aren't we just doing that more?

• 42:23Travis Kelce?

  Ah, it's crazy.

• 42:25Speaker 03

  Is it harder? Is it harder than that?

• 42:27Travis Kelce?

  I think it's way harder than what you're trying to make it seem like. And also on top of that, there's something about, and, and I feel, I feel this a lot when, when the game gets down to the wire with Pat too, is that he's, you just get more locked in, you get more focused, you get more, you feel that sense of urgency to have to make the play.

• 42:45Speaker 03

  For sure.

• 42:46Travis Kelce?

  All of a sudden you start to, you start to get in sync with the, the guy back there calling the plays or slinging the ball around. And it's just, the ball's just kinda always in that perfect place for you to make a play.

• 42:57Speaker 03

  That's a trait. Some guys feel that and play worse. This guy clearly feels that.

• 43:01Travis Kelce?

  100%.

• 43:02Speaker 03

  And elevates his game, which is a great sign. We just gotta spot him some points early. Sean, I mean, like, come on. Give him a lead and get this kid fired up. No?

• 43:11Travis Kelce?

  I don't know. I don't know if that's how that works.

• 43:13Speaker 03

  Just have somebody on, on, at home on the scoreboard, just put up a wrong score so that he thinks he's trailing maybe.

• 43:19Travis Kelce?

  I don't know if that's how.

• 43:20Speaker 03

  It doesn't happen like that?

• 43:22Travis Kelce?

  No. Do you think it's a better win for Denver or a worse loss for New York?

• 43:26Speaker 03

  It's definitely a worse loss for New York. I mean, they had the game in the bag. I mean, they, they, they blew it. Swag brought up a lot that they were playing prevent defense and not really playing the same style of ball late in the game.

• 43:37Travis Kelce?

  It's a tough decision to have to make as a DC man.

• 43:40Speaker 03

  And then obviously the Jackson interception late hurt them, right? It was under five minutes. At that point, you're still in a two score game. The one thing you can't have happen is a turnover like that. And listen, he's an incredible quarterback. I love watching him play.

• 43:54Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 43:55Speaker 03

  And he stood, but yeah, I mean, that's a learning experience for him as a young QB.

• 43:58Travis Kelce?

  How about a little late night, Monday night football last night?

• 44:02Speaker 03

  Listen, man, we got to see our favorite player from, from another team. Baker Mayfield.

• 44:08Travis Kelce?

  Shake and bake, baby. Had a rough one, man.

• 44:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was, I, listen, I just love getting to Washington, I play, I got to see him pregame. I have so much respect for the competitor and player that he is, and they played a great team. Detroit came ready to go. Dan Campbell. Dude, I feel like Baker is, like if Dan Campbell played quarterback, I feel like he'd be like Baker Mayfield.

• 44:31Travis Kelce?

  I can see Bakers are biting kneecaps kinda.

• 44:33Speaker 03

  For sure.

• 44:34Travis Kelce?

  For sure.

• 44:35Speaker 03

  It was a.

• 44:36Travis Kelce?

  So is Jared Goff, man. Everyone thinks Goff is, he's not a runner, man, but he's, he's a tough son of a gun.

• 44:41Speaker 03

  He is, he is. I thought Detroit did a good job on defense. I mean, they have a lot of injuries in the backfield. Branch is suspended. I mean, it was a cast of replacements and they, they answered the bell and they got after Baker up front. Aiden Hutchinson, Ali McNeil back in the lineup. They made it difficult, uh, early. They got pressure on them and I think it was just, you know, they came ready to go. Dan Campbell was a great coach, man. I gotta, we don't talk about it enough. Like they're dealing with.

• 45:08Travis Kelce?

  We talk about it every time we talk about the line.

• 45:10Speaker 03

  I don't think we talk about it enough. He's dealing with an entire secondary that's out. Branch is out. Kirby Joseph's out. They're missing one of the starting corners. They're nickel of Ohtematics. Like they are decimated and these dudes showed up and they were afraid to play man, man to man. They're not, they're mixing in all the zone coverages, doing all this stuff, but they. There's not a team that has their self-identity figured out, in my opinion, better than Dan Campbell and the Detroit Lions. They know exactly who they are. They know exactly what they stand for. This dude has been building it the entire step of the way. They lose, and that's why they're able to weather losing Ben Johnson and losing Aaron Glenn. They know who they are. They're a physical

• 45:51Speaker 03

  team. They're biting kneecaps. They're gonna get after you in the trenches. They're gonna challenge you on defense, getting pressures on the quarterback and playing man-to-man. I know you guys just beat them. I know you guys just beat them.

• 46:02Travis Kelce?

  No, I'm saying they got power and speed on offense, man.

• 46:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:06Travis Kelce?

  And a fucking smart ball player slinging that thing around, man.

• 46:09Speaker 03

  For sure. And I just love the entire ethos, man. They feel like they're a team. Like, they got Jameer Gibbs. They got Amon Ra. They got Montgomery. They got Jared Goff.

• 46:19Travis Kelce?

  Sembla Porta.

• 46:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, they got all of these great playmakers, but it feels like it's just the Detroit offense. You're hearing about Peney Sewell. One of the most recognizable players on the team is Dan Skipper. Like, he isn't even a starter. He's a fucking extra guy in. He's a replacement tackle starting right now. Like, most teams and organizations in cities don't even know who their Dan Skipper is. But in Detroit, he's celebrated. He's like, he's getting a game ball, or Dan Campbell's shouting him out in a freaking post-game speech, right?

• 46:54Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 46:55Speaker 03

  I just feel like they're a unit, and I just love everything about them. They played great on Monday. I love Baker and Tampa Bay as well. These are two of my favorite teams, so I was very torn watching. I wanted to be a great game, but I just thought it was an outstanding rebound for the Lions coming off of the Chiefs. I just think Dan and that entire team and the way they play up front, the way they run the ball, the way they, they, they, they all work together, guys, receivers inserting into the box to, to get a block at the second level. Like, it's an unselfish team, and they play that way across the board, and it's a reflection of who their leader is as a coach, and they all live it. And I just love it. So anyways, that's enough for me giving Dan Campbell love, but yeah.

• 47:41Travis Kelce?

  Like you said, never enough, baby. What did we think of the 10:00 PM kickoff? Did you stay up?

• 47:47Speaker 03

  I was fucking there, Travis.

• 47:50Speaker 03

  I did the halftime from Detroit. I, I, listen, it's, and I don't feel this way just for football. We had a Phillies playoff game. It was a fucking playoff game that started 9:00 PM on Eastern, like coast. It should be against the rules. Shouldn't be a lot

• 48:07Travis Kelce?

  Why?

• 48:08Speaker 03

  Eight o'clock Eastern is the latest a big sporting prime time or playoff game should start. If you want to do a regular season basketball game, a regular season baseball game that nobody's tuned into for fucking on the East Coast for a West Coast game, you can do it. But a goddamn prime time game shouldn't be starting past 8:00 PM Eastern time.

• 48:28Travis Kelce?

  You heard it here, folks.

• 48:30Speaker 03

  You know what grinds my gears?

• 48:33Travis Kelce?

  Time zones.

• 48:36Travis Kelce?

  Well, that does it for week seven of bold topics around the NFL.

• 48:41Speaker 05

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• 49:57Travis Kelce?

  How about we get to some stamps of the week? Stamps of the week is brought to you by Starbucks, your new protein coffee destination. How about it? Go get your protein and your coffee caffeine.

• 50:09Speaker 03

  Genius.

• 50:10Travis Kelce?

  Oh, that wins every time.

• 50:11Speaker 03

  This week, we're gonna do a special occasion. We've talked about this for a while on the show. We've, well, not a year, but it's, it's been promised and it's been coming. And listen, if you're willing to get ink on your body, I mean, that's a stamp. I don't know that I can don't this behavior.

• 50:31Travis Kelce?

  There you go.

• 50:31Speaker 03

  But, you know, he did it. So.

• 50:33Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, we sent it out in the universe and it got answered. And so Jason, why don't you do the honors and introduce our stamp of the week?

• 50:43Speaker 03

  All right. We do have one very special stamp of the week to hand out.

• 50:47Travis Kelce?

  Oh, man.

• 50:48Speaker 03

  That's right. We said if anyone got a Jets Jake pinup tattoo, they could be on the show. And it turns out we had a fan crazy enough to do this.

• 50:56Travis Kelce?

  Let's go.

• 50:58Speaker 03

  Um, wild man joining us today.

• 51:01Travis Kelce?

  Show them his face.

• 51:03Speaker 03

  Show us your face. We are men of our word. So here to receive a special stamp of the week, please welcome Kason Barrett.

• 51:12Travis Kelce?

  Let's go. Let's go, dude.

• 51:17Speaker 08

  Never in a million years that I think I'd have my name on that intro. So thank you for that.

• 51:21Travis Kelce?

  Come on, man. Hell, yeah, brother.

• 51:23Speaker 03

  You earned it, brother. Hell, yeah. You earned it with stupidity, bravery, whatever you want to call it. How many tattoos do you have?

• 51:29Speaker 08

  I've got quite a few.

• 51:30Travis Kelce?

  You see you're sleeved up a little bit on the arm. Yeah.

• 51:32Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 51:33Travis Kelce?

  Are most of your tattoos pinups or?

• 51:35Speaker 08

  Yeah, not, not all, but one.

• 51:37Speaker 03

  Got a sleeve?

• 51:38Speaker 08

  So I got, you know, the, the cross.

• 51:40Travis Kelce?

  Oh, nice. The cross. Yep.

• 51:42Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 51:42Speaker 08

  And then we got, you know, the fame, the one everybody wants to see.

• 51:45Travis Kelce?

  Let's see.

• 51:46Speaker 03

  I gotta see this.

• 51:47Travis Kelce?

  Oh.

• 51:51Speaker 03

  Look at that sexy guy.

• 51:53Travis Kelce?

  It's a little generous on the body right there. Let's see.

• 51:58Speaker 08

  You're telling me, man. I think the whole thing was generous.

• 52:00Travis Kelce?

  We got a better picture of it right here. So we can show the people. There you go.

• 52:04Speaker 03

  What has been the reaction to the Jets shake tattoo?

• 52:07Speaker 08

  Oh, my God.

• 52:07Speaker 03

  That you've gotten from other people?

• 52:08Speaker 08

  It's been absolutely insane. My mom is so proud, but disappointed. She's so disappointed.

• 52:18Speaker 08

  He's a saint, man. I don't know how I'd react.

• 52:20Travis Kelce?

  You showed mom? That's hilarious.

• 52:23Speaker 08

  Oh, yeah. Day one. I'm in my twenties. You know, I'm young and dumb. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity. Maybe I can make this 15 minutes of fame last 30. Who knows? I gotta send it.

• 52:33Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah, dude. Have some fun, man.

• 52:35Speaker 03

  You sent it.

• 52:35Travis Kelce?

  You definitely sent it.

• 52:36Speaker 03

  Are you a Jets Jake fan? Like, what is... Are you Jets fan?

• 52:40Travis Kelce?

  Are you Jets fan? Now, you got the Cowboys hat back there.

• 52:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think that answers that.

• 52:43Speaker 08

  I got the Cowboys hat. I got the pictures. I got them all.

• 52:46Travis Kelce?

  All right. I'll tell you what. Why don't we bring the man of the hour in this thing? Jets Jake, why don't you come on in, man?

• 52:52Speaker 08

  Let's get him. Let's get him.

• 52:54Travis Kelce?

  Get on out. I'll tell you what. If I didn't know any better, you two look like brothers.

• 52:58Speaker 09

  I know. This guy looks like he could produce the show between me, him, and Brandon. It's just three white dudes with beards.

• 53:06Speaker 03

  You kind of look like brothers.

• 53:07Speaker 09

  I'll take it. And you can pass that tattoo off on your own as soon as this is done. But I'm truly honored. Thank you for making me look way more Jack than I am in person. That was very nice of Jared to you. Yeah, very... This is... This whole thing has been very surreal. It's nice to finally get to meet you, bud.

• 53:26Speaker 08

  Yes, sir. You too. I appreciate you not thinking I'm too totally, you know, weird for having a naked version of you on my thigh. You know, opportunity came knocking, so...

• 53:35Speaker 03

  Well, just to be clear, I think you're extremely weird, and I love it. So...

• 53:39Speaker 08

  You'd be right.

• 53:39Speaker 09

  It's the right kind of weird.

• 53:40Speaker 03

  Precisely why you're here. All right.

• 53:42Travis Kelce?

  We're on board.

• 53:42Speaker 03

  Are you aware the Jets have not won a game since you've gotten this tattoo?

• 53:46Speaker 08

  Oh, yeah. I'm very aware. You know, I'm hoping, you know, maybe if they go 0-17, I'll cover it up with the Cowboys logo.

• 53:54Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 53:55Speaker 09

  I wouldn't do that. That tattoo might be cursed.

• 53:58Speaker 08

  It might be cursed.

• 54:01Speaker 03

  Pass that off on the Cowboys. If Jake paid for this, would you get it removed at a laser removal, potentially?

• 54:07Speaker 08

  Hey, I mean, yeah, sure. But I mean, it's really worth the story. It's got a good story to go with it, you know? It's something...

• 54:14Travis Kelce?

  There we go.

• 54:14Speaker 08

  I might not be happy and every time I, you know, I gotta take my clothes off, I look at my leg and I see.

• 54:21Speaker 08

  But it's got a good story, so I'll go with it.

• 54:23Speaker 03

  Very good story.

• 54:24Travis Kelce?

  You might've started a trend, man. Who knows if there's, if there's other podcast tattoos on the horizon, man? You, you got any other, uh, shows you follow along with?

• 54:31Speaker 08

  Pat McAfee show, I'd get Pat on my.

• 54:34Travis Kelce?

  Oh, you get it.

• 54:35Speaker 03

  There we go.

• 54:36Travis Kelce?

  You heard it, Pat.

• 54:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, let's go.

• 54:38Travis Kelce?

  A pin up, pin up Pat.

• 54:39Speaker 08

  Any of them, man.

• 54:39Travis Kelce?

  Pin up Pat.

• 54:41Speaker 08

  Theo Von, Theo Von will do it with me, probably.

• 54:44Speaker 03

  Probably.

• 54:45Speaker 08

  And hey, I'll tell you what, Travis, you got the, the Cowboys on, I want to say Thanksgiving, isn't it Thanksgiving Day?

• 54:51Travis Kelce?

  Oh yeah, Thanksgiving. Oh yeah, right there, Thursday night.

• 54:54Speaker 08

  If you beat Cowboys, hey, I'll get you on the other leg.

• 54:57Travis Kelce?

  Oh my gosh, this guy's insane.

• 55:00Speaker 03

  Come join me, Travis.

• 55:01Travis Kelce?

  This guy's insane.

• 55:03Speaker 03

  He just wants tattoos at this point. There's no way the Cowboys are beating the Chiefs, sorry.

• 55:08Travis Kelce?

  Don't you put that, don't you put that hex on me.

• 55:10Speaker 03

  Knock out one, knock out one, knock out one.

• 55:11Travis Kelce?

  Don't you put that hex on me.

• 55:12Speaker 03

  My bad, my bad, my bad. Let me ask you this, Kason, um, you're on the show, you've gone to extreme lengths to get on the show. Do you want to share something? We, I gotta give you some type of like, is there a message you want to get out there? Is there anything you want to say to the people watching this?

• 55:27Speaker 08

  You know, moments like this come once in a lifetime. So if you ever get, no matter how fucking batshit crazy the idea is, for something like that, you would go, you'd just take it, man. Just take it. I mean, what's the worst that's gonna happen?

• 55:39Travis Kelce?

  There you go. You gotta send it, baby. You gotta send it.

• 55:42Speaker 08

  Gotta take it. Just gotta send it, man.

• 55:44Travis Kelce?

  I love it, man.

• 55:45Speaker 03

  That's the best advice Will Ferrell ever gave me. Full send.

• 55:48Travis Kelce?

  Full send, baby.

• 55:49Speaker 08

  That's right. Full send. Travis, you know, I was talking about the Cowboys, but hey, man, I'll tell you what, you're doing a pretty good job out there, man. Still balling.

• 55:56Travis Kelce?

  Thank you, dawg. You already know, baby. Wait till you see me Thursday, Thanksgiving Day down there. Dallas, fire me up, man. Start shaving that other leg, baby. That's all I'm saying.

• 56:09Speaker 08

  I'm gonna try to find a way to get to the game. I just got a new job, so maybe they'll, you know, maybe I'll afford to get a ticket out there. But hey, if you see me in the crowd, you know, after the game, just come holler.

• 56:18Travis Kelce?

  Oh, you already know. I might know a guy. What's your new job?

• 56:21Speaker 08

  So I inspect airplanes. So funny story actually about the tattoo.

• 56:25Travis Kelce?

  This guy's way smarter than I thought.

• 56:27Speaker 08

  No, not at all. I failed math like twice. I failed algebra.

• 56:30Speaker 03

  Well, it's good that you're inspecting airplanes.

• 56:35Speaker 08

  When the podcast came out, when you read my Reddit question, seeing if you guys could actually do it, I was at this other job and, you know, as you kept talking about it on the podcast, I was like, man, I might actually have to get this damn tattoo.

• 56:49Speaker 08

  So finally, things happened. I end up leaving that job and with my last $800, like I'd spent all my bills paid and my last $800, I had that tattoo scheduled before I knew I was gonna lose it. And I had a decision. I was like, man, should I be a grown ass adult and not get this tattoo?

• 57:08Speaker 08

  Maybe do the responsible thing. I was like, man, fuck it. We gotta get this tattoo.

• 57:14Speaker 08

  That last $800.

• 57:15Travis Kelce?

  You gotta send it, baby. You gotta send it, baby.

• 57:18Speaker 08

  You gotta.

• 57:18Travis Kelce?

  Hell yeah, dog.

• 57:20Speaker 09

  Now you're a jet inspector with a Jets Jake tattoo. It's perfect.

• 57:25Speaker 08

  I mean, you can't, you can't script it better.

• 57:26Travis Kelce?

  Casey, thank you so much for, for buying.

• 57:29Speaker 03

  For honoring our Jets Jake.

• 57:30Travis Kelce?

  For sending it.

• 57:31Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 57:32Travis Kelce?

  You already know, man. You get, you definitely get our stamp of the week, our stamp of the year, man. I'm giving it to you.

• 57:38Speaker 03

  No doubt.

• 57:38Speaker 09

  A literal stamp, permanent stamp.

• 57:40Speaker 08

  Yeah, I got a permanent stamp right there.

• 57:43Travis Kelce?

  Keep Thanksgiving open, man. We might need, I might know somebody that can get you in the, in the building.

• 57:47Speaker 08

  Hey, if you do great, man, I don't want to put no pressure on you. You know, I don't want to be a douchebag, be like, hook me up, you know, nothing like that.

• 57:54Speaker 03

  But seriously.

• 57:57Speaker 08

  If something comes up, you know, something comes up.

• 57:59Speaker 03

  I have left that date open on my calendar.

• 58:04Speaker 03

  Casey, you're the man, brother. Appreciate you hopping on. Apparently we'll see you down in Dallas.

• 58:09Speaker 08

  I cannot thank you enough for this opportunity, man. I appreciate it.

• 58:12Travis Kelce?

  Ah, fuck it. We thank you, man. And that does it for stamps of the week, brought to you by Starbucks, your new protein coffee destination.

• 58:20Speaker 03

  Thank you to our sponsor, Peloton.

• 58:24Travis Kelce?

  That is right. There we go. One more time.

• 58:27Speaker 03

  Peloton.

• 58:30Travis Kelce?

  Dunna.

• 58:30Speaker 03

  Peloton.

• 58:31Travis Kelce?

  Nice. The new Peloton Cross Training Tread Plus is seriously next level. That's right. Imagine having a personal trainer and high end gym rolled into one sleek machine in your home.

• 58:42Speaker 03

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• 58:55Travis Kelce?

  I get caught thinking about muscles. Yeah. Thinking about, yeah.

• 58:59Speaker 03

  Was that eight? Was that seven?

• 59:02Travis Kelce?

  I'm just gonna keep doing it.

• 59:03Speaker 03

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• 59:15Travis Kelce?

  That's so good, man. This has to be some of your favorite features on the Peloton.

• 59:19Speaker 03

  It is. It is. The camera is fantastic. Again, counting is hard, especially when you're fatigued.

• 59:28Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 59:28Speaker 03

  So having this AI thingamabobber deal do it for you is a major game changer.

• 59:35Travis Kelce?

  There you go.

• 59:35Speaker 03

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• 59:48Travis Kelce?

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• 59:59Travis Kelce?

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• 1:00:22Travis Kelce?

  All right, man.

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• 1:00:31Travis Kelce?

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• 1:00:41Travis Kelce?

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• 1:00:52Speaker 03

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• 1:01:06Travis Kelce?

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• 1:01:21Speaker 03

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• 1:01:24Travis Kelce?

  Red's bad, everybody knows that.

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• 1:01:40Travis Kelce?

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• 1:01:50Speaker 03

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• 1:01:55Travis Kelce?

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• 1:02:06Travis Kelce?

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• 1:02:11Travis Kelce?

  That is also not smart, but not checking your fantasy lineup before kickoff.

• 1:02:15Speaker 03

  Ah, yeah, seeing a player with 40 points and realizing they're on your bench.

• 1:02:20Travis Kelce?

  Yep.

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• 1:02:36Travis Kelce?

  Jason, you want to do the honors? Get this thing rocking?

• 1:02:38Speaker 03

  Hit the intro and then we'll get right to it. All right, here we go. Come on, Jay, come on. Our guest today is six foot guard from Bethel High School, the Associated Press High School Player of the Year in football and basketball. That's right. The first overall pick in the 1996 NBA draft, 1997 NBA Rookie of the Year, 11 time NBA All-Star, 2001 NBA MVP, member of the NBA 75th Anniversary Team and a member of the NBA Hall of Fame. Ninety-two percenters, please welcome. We're talking about podcasts. We're talking about podcasts. Mr. Allen Iverson, baby.

• 1:03:16Travis Kelce?

  Let's go.

• 1:03:20Speaker 00

  Appreciate that, man.

• 1:03:21Speaker 03

  We get so many guests that come on that is just like, it's crazy that we're talking to them. And for you, the legend that you've been and were like the entire of us like growing up in the NBA. And man, you know, it's, it's an honor to be sitting here talking to you. Absolutely.

• 1:03:36Travis Kelce?

  Grew up in the heart of it. You as an icon, as a person, as a player, your swagger, how much, how much confidence just oozes out of you at all times. Man, I can't thank you enough for who you are and what you are in. And congrats on this documentary, man. Three part documentary is a, it's a, it's a beautiful story of a lot of ups and downs, but it's told by you and your family and the people closest to you so that you could, I don't know, it sounds like so you could like, kind of like lay the law and let everybody know the truth about your entire life story, man. It's a beautiful story, man.

• 1:04:06Speaker 00

  Thank you guys, man. First and foremost, I'm a big fan, you know, I love you guys. You know, I'm a, you know how much I love football, you know what I mean?

• 1:04:15Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

• 1:04:16Speaker 00

  I definitely know the best of the best.

• 1:04:20Speaker 00

  I've always been a fan of you guys, man. You know, I've been a fan of your story. You know, I mean, I wish you, you guys make me wish I had a brother my own, you know, my age in the area, you know, to navigate through life the way y'all have together. You know what I mean? The great support system that, that you guys have. Man, I love mom. She's the best. You know what I mean? You know, it has to be, I, I just love the way she tackled the situation of having two sons. You know what I mean? And having to root for and support both of them. You know what I mean? I just love. For the death, man, and and now she handles everything, but thank you. Man, um, the documentary is just a gift. As athletes, everybody think when they think role model, they always think little kids is is so cliche.

• 1:05:05Speaker 00

  You know what I mean? But we inspire so many, we inspire so many adults. You know, I mean, of all ages, you know, people of all ages, um.

• 1:05:13Speaker 03

  Heck, yeah.

• 1:05:13Speaker 00

  All races, you know what I mean? And it's a beautiful gift for us, and I want to give back. My gift of being an open book, you know what I mean? The determining life that I've had, you know, the ups and downs, obviously, like you talked about. And, um, you know, it's some of them are embarrassing. Um, but it's the bigger picture, you know, I feel like. Um, a lot of the situations that I've been through in life, you know, people go through those situations. And, um, you know, they give up, and I think that's the worst thing you could do in life. Is is fall down and not get back up, opposed to getting up, brushing yourself off and keep going. You know what I mean? I think it's a it's a gift to people. And and letting them know and understand that it's all right to be you.

• 1:05:57Speaker 00

  Whoever whoever God made you, you know what I mean? It's all right to be that person. I think it's a disrespect to God for wanting to be somebody else. Like, I always wanted to be like Mike, but I always wanted to be myself. I was happy with who I am. You know what I mean? And I think it's important for people to to be satisfied and comfortable with being them. And realize that this is, I know it sounds, you know, cocky or arrogant, but it's not. This is your world, you know what I mean? I was at a world if you're not in it. You know, I mean, everything in this world and everything that you want to achieve. And life is achievable, and I'm that living proof. You know what I mean? And that's why I feel like this is a gift to everybody. You can see to all of the things that I've been through and all the things that I fought through.

• 1:06:41Speaker 00

  And come out unscathed, and I'm still standing.

• 1:06:44Speaker 03

  Uh, amen to all of that, guys. That was a freaking A. That that was amazing and could not agree more, I gotta say. And I think you just sit down on the head like authentic, be who you are, yourself, an open book. All of that is on display in this documentary. It really has been on display your whole life, brother, like, I I really think. You're a living legend in the city of Philadelphia on a scale of of nobody else. And I think not only because you were an unbelievable basketball player, but everything that you just said, like.

• 1:07:17Speaker 03

  All of the, the press conferences, but how you carried yourself on the court, the passion that you played with, how, how you related to fans, like I, I think that goes a lot, especially in a city like Philadelphia, it paved the way. And in this documentary, you go through a lot of like, all of it and behind the scenes, it's very much an open book.

• 1:07:35Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:07:35Speaker 03

  So I think Philadelphia in particular is going to love this, but I think anybody is going to be able to draw a lot from this documentary. I don't know, where do we want to start, Travis?

• 1:07:44Travis Kelce?

  We can always start back to where the doc started with you being the AP player, both in football and basketball, man. Absolute legend. You grew up in the, in the, in the nineties or in the eighties and nineties doing all this and, and did you ever look at a guy like Deion Sanders, a guy like Bo Jackson and think, you know what? I know they kind of cross over a little bit in terms of their leagues, but did you ever have it in your mind? That, yeah, I could play football and basketball.

• 1:08:09Speaker 00

  That was the dream, man. That was the blueprint. You know what I mean? That was the, my, my thing was I wanted to, football was my first love. You know what I mean? I never liked basketball. I thought basketball was soft. You know what I mean? I, I, I didn't like, you know, I didn't like it. And I remember one day my mom, my mom, like, I had, she drugged me, her and my basketball coach out of there. And I cried, I kicked and screamed. And I didn't want to play basketball. I kept telling her basketball was soft. And I got in there and I remember getting in there and all of the guys that were on my football team were trying out for basketball.

• 1:08:48Speaker 00

  So, you know, I came back home, but I never forget it's this legendary day that me and my mom talk about all the time. I was telling her, thank you, Ma. I love you so much. I'm, I'm, you know, I love basketball. You know, I want to play basketball too. And, um, it was like that from, from that point on. And my dream was just playing the NFL and to play in the NBA. Obviously the circumstances happened and, um, I end up having to play basketball. And then one little story is I remember being at Georgetown and I used to have to walk past the football field to get to the gym. And every day I would walk by and I would look at the players. And I think we were like division three or something. And I used to cry, you know, when I watched those guys playing.

• 1:09:33Speaker 00

  Cause he used to hurt so bad. Cause you know, football was my life. And um, I, I used to cry when I watched, you know, looked at the field and the guys out there playing. So I took a route that it used to take me from my dorm. Five to 10 minutes to get there. I used to, to not go by the football field. I took a route that was like 45 minutes. So I didn't have to, have to watch it. And um, it took a lot for me to get over not being able to play football, but it all ended. One day when I went into uh, the office and asked Coach Thompson, could I play um, football? Could I, could I try out for the team?

• 1:10:12Travis Kelce?

  What'd he say?

• 1:10:13Speaker 00

  I don't think the language, it depends on what type of language I can use.

• 1:10:18Travis Kelce?

  You can go ahead and use any language.

• 1:10:20Speaker 00

  I'll tell you what, I never thought about playing football again after that, after what he said. He said, don't ever come to me with nothing like that, no nonsense like that, ever again. And I never thought about, well, it actually helped me. Cause I never thought about playing again. I would just always, you know, remained a, a big football fan.

• 1:10:40Speaker 03

  Why were you such a big fan? Like what about the sport did you love? Like the physicality, like certain players?

• 1:10:46Travis Kelce?

  Shash had it best in the documentary. He was, he was saying, he was like, listen, there's only a few guys out here taking as much of a beating as me in this game. And he was referencing you and how much guys were just, you were so fearless when you attacked the rim that you were on the floor.

• 1:11:00Speaker 03

  I was gonna say the exact same thing. There wasn't, there wasn't nothing softer the way AI played.

• 1:11:05Speaker 00

  And that come from my football roots. Like everybody thought it was a big deal with me hitting the floor. You know, I, I remember my coaches used to always tell me like, if you're not hurt, you know what I mean? Like get up, don't ever let the other team see you hurt. You know what I mean? So, you know, I would hit that floor, but I was so used to, you know, playing football that everybody thinks that it was a big deal with me hitting the floor like that. It was, it was nothing, you know, breaking bones and getting, you know, a hundred stitches in my face all together throughout my career. Like it was nothing like playing football though.

• 1:11:39Speaker 03

  Do you think playing football made you a better basketball player in that regard?

• 1:11:43Speaker 00

  Absolutely. I mean, I was, I was always playing football with a basketball, always. That was my mentality. You know what I mean? So I implemented so many things from, you know, what I could do on the football field to basketball court.

• 1:11:57Travis Kelce?

  Who was AI's favorite football players growing up or favorite team growing up?

• 1:12:01Speaker 00

  I was, I've been a cowboy. He know that. He sent me, he sent me an autograph. He signed his name and it's, and put fuck the Cowboys up there. I got it hanging, hanging in my house. People coming in like, what's this all about right here? Like my man sent me that. So I, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta hang it up. And so it's in my man key.

• 1:12:24Speaker 00

  Definitely, uh, Deion, you know what I mean?

• 1:12:27Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:12:28Speaker 00

  Definitely Deion. Um, I mean, obviously I'm a big Troy Aikman fan. I love Troy Aikman. Walter Payton, Tony Dorsett. The list goes on and on. You know what I mean? I love so many, um, football players because I love, I love the sport. You know what I mean?

• 1:12:47Speaker 00

  I mean, just with you guys, like I, I know everything about, you know, you guys. I, I thought that we would be all right. Once he retired and then they get a center to come in that's just as good.

• 1:13:05Speaker 00

  You know, Travis, like I, I, I think, you know, obviously we all know that, you know, Shannon Sharp really kind of changed the game at the tight end position. Because he was like, like a wide receiver playing tight end. And you know, you came in and just did it 2.0. And then, you know, it's like, how the hell can you stop him? Cause he, you know, it's like trying to check a wide receiver.

• 1:13:28Travis Kelce?

  We were both blessed with some good quarterbacks. That's why.

• 1:13:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. I mean, the best, you definitely got the best of the best with you.

• 1:13:39Speaker 03

  Well, we've had a, a long running debate on the show. I'm, I'm sure you know, is it easier for an NBA player to play in the NFL? Or an NFL player to play in the NBA? What do you think?

• 1:13:48Speaker 00

  I would say is the difficult.

• 1:13:53Speaker 00

  Question for me because I I love both both sports and respect both sports so much.

• 1:13:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:13:59Speaker 00

  Um, it's it's it's it's hard for me to answer because I played football and I played basketball. But I played basketball on the NBA level. And I never played on a professional level of football. So that would be something that I um couldn't answer. And I think it'll be disrespect from for me to, you know.

• 1:14:19Speaker 03

  Fair enough.

• 1:14:19Speaker 00

  Uh, to answer that because I know what it took for me to get to the NBA. And I'm pretty sure what it took for me to get to the NBA. It was hard for guys to get to the NFL. So I leave that one alone.

• 1:14:30Speaker 03

  Well, I respect it. I respect it. Just so you know, I am a thousand percent on board of NBA athletes taking over the NFL if they ever decide, but.

• 1:14:40Travis Kelce?

  I can see, I can see you playing on an NFL team right now.

• 1:14:44Speaker 03

  Could you imagine AI on a field?

• 1:14:47Speaker 00

  Oh, I can still, I can still spin it. Not right now. Not right now. Thirty years ago, okay. Cause I I can still spin it. I can, but it's crazy. Like when when you're getting like older, like I'm fifty years old now and I'm like, man, like I'd be out there and shooting with my daughter. We outside and I'm like, I wake up the next day and I'm like, damn, I wasn't doing nothing but shooting jumpers. You know what I mean? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I mean, man, listen, while it lasts, enjoy it. You know what I mean? Because when it's over, it's over. Like, like Alan Iverson is still here, but the answer is going to heaven.

• 1:15:31Speaker 03

  Oh, my gosh, that's great.

• 1:15:33Travis Kelce?

  You were a, you were, you were a two-way player on the court, man. Just a natural competitor. No matter what you had to do to make your team win. But you were the same way on the field. You played, you played quarterback and you played safety. If if you did play at that next level or or try and make a run and go into the NFL when you were younger, what do you think you were better at? You think you were better at or or more natural at one position than the other?

• 1:15:55Speaker 00

  I I just always loved being a punt returner. I I love being a kick returner. Um, cause I thought it was basically, you know, I had.

• 1:16:02Travis Kelce?

  Do that guy.

• 1:16:03Speaker 00

  Too much of a big advantage of somebody, you know, running at me like I, just like I know cornerback has to be the hardest position ever in sports.

• 1:16:11Travis Kelce?

  One thousand percent.

• 1:16:12Speaker 00

  You know what I mean? It has to be. I have to be under the helm. I have to be in some type of control of the of the game. You know what I mean? And. What better position than the quarterback? You know, you think of all how great you are. You know what I mean? If it wasn't for Patrick, you know what I mean? You have to have somebody to get you the ball. You know what I mean? And um, I just, I just felt like if I had to give it up, you know, I mean, I would definitely give up the defensive side of the ball. And I wasn't a great defensive player on basketball. I played the passing lane. I had the Kembie behind me to make up for all of my mistakes. And I had, we really had teams like the year we went to the finals.

• 1:16:57Speaker 00

  Like I, I was the one that everybody knew that was gonna have to. My, my job was to put the basket, you know, the basketball in the, in the hoop. But my job was just really that and playing the passing lanes. And the Kembie and Teo Rattler made up for my mistakes.

• 1:17:13Travis Kelce?

  Turnovers, baby.

• 1:17:13Speaker 00

  They made up for it.

• 1:17:14Travis Kelce?

  Turnovers win games, man.

• 1:17:15Speaker 00

  Yeah. The deficiencies, the deficiencies that I had, um, they made up for it. That's what made us a team. The things that I couldn't do on the basketball court, they made up for what they could do. So when people say I, I carried a terrible team to the NBA, to the NBA finals. That was the most disrespectful thing in the world because I know what those guys did out there for us to win basketball games.

• 1:17:41Travis Kelce?

  Oh, you guys were a complete team, man. It was actually cool in the documentary to see how close you guys were. Cause I think that doesn't get talked about enough in sports is especially in basketball. Everyone thinks it's like, oh, if you got the superstar, you can go all the way. And like, he's like the team and this and that. When, when you see that documentary, man, you guys were tight knit group. You guys were very close. You could see the way you guys hugged each other after games by the way you guys, you know, the emotion that you shared when you won and when you fell short in the finals, man. And that's the type of shit that I love, man.

• 1:18:11Speaker 00

  And still like this today. Still like that today.

• 1:18:13Travis Kelce?

  Still like this today? You are, that's awesome.

• 1:18:15Speaker 00

  Still like that today. Same relationship. You know what I mean? It's just the, the, the, the, that's one of the worst parts of retiring. You think that, you know, everybody thinks when you retire, you just gonna, it's just the game that you missed, just playing the game. No, it's the. People is is those is those people that that help you become who you are like I didn't I didn't become top seventy five all time by myself you know what I mean I didn't become a hall of famer by myself I had so many teammates so many coaches training staffs doctors family your friends all the whole support system you know what I mean when you become a hall of famer all the people that help you get there they become all the fans

• 1:18:56Speaker 00

  I mean they they they help you live out that dream and and they are proud when at the end when they're proud of you you know what I mean when they walk around they can feel like they're hall of famers too because they help you get there

• 1:19:07Speaker 03

  I love that I love that so much

• 1:19:09Travis Kelce?

  I love it too man this shit's awesome

• 1:19:11Speaker 03

  You're talking about playing in Philly what how would you describe the fans in Philadelphia I feel like a lot of times there's a lot of noise around them there's a lot of chirping on I guess the attitude that they have from current players former players other fans what was it like for you playing in Philadelphia and interacting with the fans in Philly

• 1:19:30Speaker 00

  It was I was believe it or not I was on both sides of it I got I got the raft too

• 1:19:36Speaker 03

  Everybody gets the raft you don't play in Philadelphia and not get the raft

• 1:19:41Travis Kelce?

  You can't escape it nobody's escaping it

• 1:19:45Speaker 00

  Cause sometimes people think that I didn't go through it you know what I mean like early in my career I went through it now I mean it was a point where I was on the trading block Um it was it was it was some bumps in the road like it was it was rough but they are the most loyal beautiful fans in the world I remember you know I used to always talk about the Eagles fans and I was like you know I always loved the Eagles players because we nine times out of ten we had a relationship we were that close to each other you know what I mean um and you know you see him out all the time and you know me being a cowboy fan you know it was difficult for the fans in

• 1:20:27Speaker 00

  Philadelphia to embrace that because they felt that I belonged to them and I do you know what I mean but I became a cowboy I was a cowboy sixteen years before I got there you know what I mean I've been a cowboy for forty five years You know, that part, they had to just understand that. And the documentary helps a lot when it come to that, too. Um, but they're the most loyal, passionate. You know, they like, if you think about the stadium, um, I think in recent years, they had a, a jail cell. You know, holding cell. Oh, yeah, we talked to Kevin Hart about this one. Yeah. He was, he was in the jail cell.

• 1:21:05Speaker 00

  They are for real, man. And they're the most beautiful, loyal fans. Like, I mean, it's crazy that 15 years after I retire, that the relationship is still the same. Like, you can, you can look at Michael Jordan and the relationship with him in Chicago and LeBron, the fans in Cleveland. Um, I think the most, one of the most powerful right now is Steph and, uh, and Golden State. You know what I mean? In San Francisco, like, but I just feel like there's no other relationship with player and fan like it is, you know what I mean? And with myself and the Philly fans, they're just beautiful people. They've been with me. They, matter of fact, we grew up together, basically. Like,

• 1:21:48Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:21:48Speaker 00

  I became a man in Philadelphia. I was 21 years old when I got there. You know what I mean? So they were with me throughout my turbulent life. You know what I mean? All the ups, all the downs. And, um, you know, the good times, the bad times, and they always stuck beside me. And that's why the relationship is everlasting.

• 1:22:05Speaker 03

  You're hitting on so many sentiments that are true for myself as well, playing in Philly. And I think it, it is hard when you're going through the tough times. There's no question. They're gonna make you feel it. But like you just said, if you make it to the other side of that and you show grit and perseverance and like the ability to overcome those things.

• 1:22:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:22:24Speaker 03

  I feel like you're loved forever in this city.

• 1:22:27Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:22:28Speaker 03

  You know what I mean? Like, you, you touch on a lot of this stuff in the doc and it's very much happens throughout your career. And in this city, more than any, like, if you overcome that, I feel like it's like you're one of ours. Like, you, you almost have to earn the right, basically.

• 1:22:40Speaker 00

  Right. And they, they, they care so much. It's like,

• 1:22:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:22:43Speaker 00

  With me, like, that type was, that type of shit was organic. Like, I mean, I play every game like it's my last anyway. You know what I mean? Because you never know when, you know, my high school coach told me that. You know what I mean? He, you never know when your last, it's gonna be your last game. You know what I mean? That's why I, I never, I mean, and the teacher's on y'all, I'm not. We're not judging nobody. I'm not doing that. I'm not, you know, I mean, it's different. It's different now. We know what you're talking about. You could never, you could never come to me and talk to me about low management, like, AI, you're not playing tonight. Why? You know, I'm, uh, we're resting you. In the doc, they said they had to hide your jersey to prevent you from playing when you were hurt.

• 1:23:27Speaker 00

  I can't believe, like, like somebody, like, you're resting me, like, you're resting me. Like, that's not low management. That's a suspicion, man. Like, you know what I mean? Like, you're resting me. I mean, like, tomorrow, we at practice. Rest me then. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's when you can rest me. Don't rest me during the game. Don't make any sense. I would have never went for that. You know what I mean? But Philadelphia, like, that's, it's, like, I've always played every game like my last. Even if I went 0-1 from the field, had an awful game, I could feel good about myself because I know I played harder than everybody else. And Philadelphia fans, like, that's why the Eagles, if you think about the Eagles, their DNA is tough.

• 1:24:09Speaker 00

  You know what I mean? Now, they just got all the great skills players, and, you know, their quarterback, and, you know, um, Goddard, you know what I mean? And then you got the two wide receivers. And you got, and then you got, um, Saquon. Saquon. You know what I mean? They, and then on defense, there ain't too many superstars. Jalen superstar, you know, basically, but other than that, everybody is just dogs. And they, they just feel like, I don't, we can beat you ugly. We don't have to, we're just gonna, we're gonna beat you regardless. You know, we're gonna out tough you. And that's what the city is. That's what, that's what the fans are. That's what they're used to. But if they don't see that effort, they can detect it, like, and they don't let you know about it. It can smell like a dog too, yeah. No doubt, no doubt.

• 1:24:52Travis Kelce?

  I'll tell you what, there were some dogs in that 96 draft class, man. Is it, it's gotta be the greatest, uh, greatest draft class ever, right?

• 1:25:00Speaker 00

  Gotta be, gotta be.

• 1:25:01Travis Kelce?

  It's gotta be the only one. The only one even close is, is 0-3 with LeBron and Dwyane, but it doesn't have. Every it's crazy. Maybe.

• 1:25:10Speaker 00

  So Travis, when you say that, when you when you name that draft class, when you name that draft class, you say LeBron and you will say Dwayne and you will say.

• 1:25:19Travis Kelce?

  Carmelo. I mean, you throw Chris Bosh in there too, yeah.

• 1:25:22Speaker 00

  Kobe Bryant went 13 in our draft.

• 1:25:24Travis Kelce?

  That's crazy.

• 1:25:26Speaker 00

  He went 13. Steve Nash, you know what I mean? Like, like, I mean, we had Ray Allen. I mean, come on, man.

• 1:25:35Travis Kelce?

  Marbury, Antoine Walker-Pazza.

• 1:25:37Speaker 03

  All of these names.

• 1:25:41Speaker 00

  Hey, man, like, it goes on and on. You know, man, you know, that was a that was a great draft. Um, what was that? 2003?

• 1:25:49Travis Kelce?

  Yes.

• 1:25:49Speaker 00

  Um, but we but our draft, like that 96 draft was just, that was ridiculous. That was ridiculous.

• 1:25:55Speaker 03

  It's crazy.

• 1:25:56Travis Kelce?

  The 90s, baby. I will say this, though. I am glad that the Sixers are are are showing love to the 2001 Sixers and bringing back that iconic Sixers jersey, because it is still to this day, one of the most iconic jerseys ever. And you made it what it is today, man. So I'm glad they're showing some love that way. But, um, we don't want to waste any of the time. We got one more segment, though. It's called We Gotta Ask, but you don't have to answer. You can tell us to fuck off.

• 1:26:19Speaker 00

  Aw, shit.

• 1:26:20Travis Kelce?

  I'm gonna start off with something that I gotta ask. Out of all your signature shoes, what is your favorite signature shoe?

• 1:26:27Speaker 00

  The question.

• 1:26:28Travis Kelce?

  It's gotta be the first one.

• 1:26:29Speaker 00

  First one.

• 1:26:30Speaker 03

  First one is the question.

• 1:26:32Speaker 00

  All your life, you dream of that, your whole life. And then when you finally see it, like when you look at it, and then, you know, they they they were actually like, you know how you, um, they they'll give you the shoe, and then they basically, you know, you you can add or you can take away from it. Like, they could have probably handed me a Timberland.

• 1:26:53Speaker 00

  And it would have been, you know what I mean? I would have been like, yo, just it, you know what I mean? So, you know, just just me being a, you know, a Michael Jordan fan and loving Mike the way I've always loved him and wanting to be like him and, you know, and him giving me the vision. You know, that was one of the things that I cared about, having my own shoe and looking like a superhero on the court. And that was now. So, yeah, number one, the first one, the question.

• 1:27:17Travis Kelce?

  I had to ask you, and and and just to let you know, I had the answers. I had the first, I had to answer once, man. When I was when I was a young cat, I had the answers in the headband, but I was playing the five, though. I wasn't, I didn't handle the rock.

• 1:27:30Speaker 03

  Speaking of Mike, you said, or a lot of people say your greatest highlight in your NBA career is crossing over Michael Jordan. Do you agree with this? Is that your favorite highlight?

• 1:27:40Speaker 00

  No, no. I mean, I've, I've, um, I've done people way worse.

• 1:27:47Travis Kelce?

  Yes, you have.

• 1:27:50Speaker 00

  If you, but if you think about it, you, you gotta, you know, I mean, y'all know, um, a highlight, you have to make the shot or you're not gonna see it on ESPN. You're not gonna see it on the highlights. So it's a lot of, it was a lot of things I've done to people and didn't make the shot. You know what I mean?

• 1:28:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:28:07Speaker 00

  That was way worse than that crossover right there. Like Mike, Mike, Mike got it, but he didn't get it.

• 1:28:12Travis Kelce?

  You reach, I teach.

• 1:28:14Speaker 00

  You reach, I teach. No, just back up. Just back up and, and don't try to beat me to the spot. If, if, if, if you don't wanna get hit by it, just let me go by you. If you try to beat me to that spot, then you gonna stay there and I'm gonna be somewhere else.

• 1:28:28Speaker 03

  Do you have one in particular in mind that maybe people don't even know or remember because you didn't make the shot? I'm trying to like, is there a specific?

• 1:28:35Travis Kelce?

  Like, is there one that you missed the shot and you were like, oh?

• 1:28:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, oh, yeah, for sure. For sure, like, damn. But, but your friends, like your friends and your family after the game, like, man, you missed the shot, like, damn. Because they had the game, they had the game. So, you know what I mean? Then everybody, you know, everybody, a lot of people try to lie, you know, especially the, the guys that play the game, they lie and say they don't go watch the games after they play them. You know what I mean? Like, you go home and why you, everybody take the game. And then eventually go home and watch it, especially if you play a good one. Now, if you play a bad one, nine times out of 10, you don't wanna go home and watch it. But you gonna see it in the film session, uh, anyway, the next day. So, um, I definitely had a lot of those moments. But I made some, so, you know.

• 1:29:22Travis Kelce?

  You made the most, you made most of them shit. You made the arm sleeve, the shooting sleeve iconic to the point where it's literally, you can't watch a basketball game to this day without seeing at least five to six guys wearing a sleeve. Where'd the shooting sleeve even come from?

• 1:29:39Speaker 00

  Why didn't I patent that?

• 1:29:41Travis Kelce?

  Where did it even come from? Why is it so smooth?

• 1:29:47Speaker 00

  I don't know how much time we got, but I mean, I'm loving it.

• 1:29:49Travis Kelce?

  Listen, we got, we're on your time, big guy.

• 1:29:51Speaker 00

  I'm loving it. Um, and great question, but I'm loving it. The crazy thing about the sleeve is, you know, obviously you see now everybody's wearing it in every sport. If you think back on it, it was just, what is the, I know y'all used it, man. It was the, it was the, I don't know what it's called, where the trainers used to pull it and they used to cut it.

• 1:30:08Speaker 03

  Oh, the, uh, yeah, like a pressure sleeve.

• 1:30:09Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:30:10Speaker 03

  Yeah. Type thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:30:11Speaker 00

  And, um, I used to wear that all the time. And then, um, my trainer had actually got somebody to make this sleeve. Cause I was hurt, I used to have a burser sack on my arm.

• 1:30:21Travis Kelce?

  The burser's, man. It's two weeks in a row, we, we get hit with burser sacks. Yeah, God, those burser sacks will swell up on you.

• 1:30:27Speaker 00

  Yes, man. I used to have to get it drained like before every game.

• 1:30:31Travis Kelce?

  Wow.

• 1:30:31Speaker 00

  Before every game, but it would, it was, it would smash you down like, cause it looked ugly. So it was, it was smash you down. And I had, I had the surgery and I had bone tracking, so they moved it out of there. And after I got the surgery, I used to wear the sleeve. And, um, my trainer had someone make like the actual sleeve that they wear today. So after I recovered from my injury, I was so used to it, I just kept wearing it. You know what I mean? And then the rest is history. Everybody just, you know, I guess it looked good too.

• 1:31:03Travis Kelce?

  I had to know where it was coming from. Heck, yeah, you swag.

• 1:31:05Speaker 00

  Yeah, but I was hurt real bad, so that's why I used to wear it. I can't take the credit and act like I just okay for fashion, I'm gonna just do this. Nah, I was hurt. So my trainer, I'm actually, uh, my trainer getting credit for that.

• 1:31:17Travis Kelce?

  There you go.

• 1:31:18Speaker 03

  There we go, there we go. All right, uh, Eagles Cooper Dejean brought back the AI step over. Did you see this clip?

• 1:31:24Speaker 00

  Yes, and I always see him, I always see him out in Philadelphia.

• 1:31:27Speaker 03

  Hey, Coop is living it.

• 1:31:28Travis Kelce?

  He's a great dude.

• 1:31:29Speaker 00

  He a bad motherfucker.

• 1:31:31Speaker 03

  Yes, he is. Uh, is this taunting? I don't think this should be a taunting penalty. If you're, I mean, he's just getting up, right?

• 1:31:38Travis Kelce?

  They said he taunted him?

• 1:31:39Speaker 03

  That's a, they, they called it, yeah.

• 1:31:41Speaker 00

  It, you know what? So, so listen, that looked like it was, um, because obviously it was, um, I don't know, I feel like it was premeditated. You know what I mean? So. But with mine, I didn't even know that I did it. Like when I did that, I was so into the game and, and he was, you know, Ty was a pest to me. That's it. He was, he was like, I mean, we were getting ready to fight. He was getting on my nerves. It was just, he was grabbing, he was holding, you know what I mean? And the crazy part about it, I love, I love him to death. Like I, I love the guy. Um, we are the best friends, uh, now, but you know, Shaq and Kobe was teasing him before the game. Cause he looked up at me, like when he was in college, I was his favorite player.

• 1:32:22Speaker 00

  So they were like, you gonna let AI come in, in the series and you gonna let him do this, do that? So he was trying to prove himself to the old guy. So that's why we were having problems throughout the game. And when it, when it happened, I hit the shot and I stepped over him. I, I didn't know until after the game that it actually happened when I was watching the highlights. Like I didn't even know I did it. And both of you guys know, you know, your emotions during the game.

• 1:32:48Travis Kelce?

  Oh yeah. When you're in it.

• 1:32:50Speaker 00

  Playing the game. A lot of times they say, well, what happened when you crossed this person, that person? I don't remember. I was just, you know what I mean?

• 1:32:57Travis Kelce?

  In the flow of the game. Yeah.

• 1:32:58Speaker 00

  You know what I mean? So I don't know, but to see other people do it, I seen, uh, I think Tyler Lockett did it one time. It's just dope to me. I love it.

• 1:33:06Travis Kelce?

  I was about to say, whenever anybody walks over someone like that, it, it immediately takes everyone back to that, to that finals game, man.

• 1:33:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's dope.

• 1:33:14Travis Kelce?

  I got one more for you, big guy. We always ask all of our guests that come on the show. What is your welcome to the NBA moment? We, I, I, we started this thing off with what is our welcome to the NFL moment? It could be good, it can be bad. It could just be something that you didn't think you were gonna experience coming into it. Um, but what was your welcome to the NBA moment?

• 1:33:35Speaker 00

  When I saw him, when I saw him up close.

• 1:33:39Speaker 00

  When I saw him up close.

• 1:33:40Travis Kelce?

  That's he, that easy, that easy. You saw Mike, you're like, oh shit, I'm really doing this.

• 1:33:45Speaker 00

  I guess it's him. That is him right there. I'm looking at him. I'm looking at him. I see him. It's like mama, I made it. You know what I mean? Like the moment, like the, the guy, the guy that I would not even be on this court right now today. If I didn't have that vision, if I didn't actually wanna be like him, he may, he. Made it possible in my mind that I could be an NBA basketball player. And then for me to see him is a moment that is going to live in my mind forever. I'll never forget it.

• 1:34:23Travis Kelce?

  I can only imagine. You kidding me? Did you say anything to him?

• 1:34:26Speaker 00

  It's sort of like when I see him now, it's the same feeling. You know what I mean? I'm just nervous. You know what I mean? Starstruck. Like it never, it never changed. He don't, he never looks real to me. You know what I mean? Like, that's why I know it's starstruck. But I've never seen a human being that didn't look real to me. Like every time I see him is like, I don't know, man. It's just, it's embarrassing.

• 1:34:48Travis Kelce?

  No, listen, I get it.

• 1:34:49Speaker 03

  I know exactly what you're talking about. Yes, absolutely. AI, you're the best, man. Thank you so much for joining us.

• 1:34:54Speaker 00

  Big fans, I love you guys, man. God bless y'all.

• 1:34:57Travis Kelce?

  So much love for you.

• 1:34:58Speaker 00

  Man, I hope all is well. Thank you, man. Thanks for having me.

• 1:35:01Travis Kelce?

  Shout out to mom. Mom looked amazing in the documentary. Did an ad and she could just tell how amazing she was as a mother to you. You always gave her her flowers. Every single time you had an award, you had her kisses on your cheek, man. I love to see it, man. Hell of a documentary. Um, and thank you so much for coming on here and having some fun with this big dog.

• 1:35:20Speaker 00

  Thank you, baby. Appreciate you guys, man.

• 1:35:21Travis Kelce?

  You already know. You ever want to come out to Kansas City, see some football, man? Come on out, baby.

• 1:35:25Speaker 00

  Right on. You already know I do.

• 1:35:29Speaker 03

  All right, that wraps up another episode of New Heights.

• 1:35:34Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, baby.

• 1:35:35Speaker 03

  Man, thank you so much to the one and only Allen Iverson. Thank you so much for joining us also. Thanks.

• 1:35:42Travis Kelce?

  Legend.

• 1:35:43Speaker 03

  To the one and only owner of a Jets Jake pinup tattoo case and bear for joining us. Make sure you subscribe to the New Heights channel on YouTube and follow New Heights on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to new episodes of New Heights ad free right now by joining Wondery Plus on the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.

• 1:36:00Travis Kelce?

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• 1:36:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, baby. Thanks for tuning in, guys. We love you.

• 1:36:44Travis Kelce?

  How you doing buddy?

• 1:36:45Speaker 03

  I just hate a lot of people in this world right now, so it's very difficult to have energy. Now I gotta go, what's up AI?

• 1:36:53Travis Kelce?

  Let's go!

• 1:36:54Speaker 03

  What up baby?

• 1:36:55Travis Kelce?

  What's up baby? You got the Cardis on, just as I was hoping, baby, let's go! What's up?

• 1:38:58Travis Kelce?

  The.