#281 - Biblical Evidence Jesus Christ was TRIPPING BALLS on the Cross | Ammon Hillman

Watch this episode uncensored & ad-free on Patreon: https://patreon.com/dannyjones Dr. Ammon Hillman earned his MS in Bacteriology and Ph. D. in Classics from the University of Wisconsin Madison, where he specialized in Ancient Greek and Roman medicine and pharmacy. Dr. Hillman was recently investigated by the Vatican for demon possession and portal opening while teaching as a professor of Classical Languages. He currently teaches ancient Greek on his @ladybabylon666 YouTube channel. SPONSORS https://truewerk.com/danny - Get 15% off your first order. https://shopify.com/dannyjones - Sign up for your $1 per month trial. https://buy.ver.so/danny - Get 15% off your first order. EPISODE LINKS Ammon's YouTube Channel: @ladybabylon666 The Chemical Muse: https://amzn.to/3V6hOwb FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjones https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 00:00 - Why no one will debate Ammon 13:25 - Christianity vs classical civilization 17:27 - The FIRST Christ 25:06 - the Rod of Hermes 28:31 - History of the word "Christ" 35:27 - Jesus' relationship with Mary 40:21 - Why are we so far behind the Greeks? 43:38 - Epic of Gilgamesh vs. Aristotle 48:31 - Is the Septuagint a Greek original? 01:04:14 - Using drugs to control ancient populations 01:07:05 - The Talmud 01:10:08 - Carl Ruck & Ammon's relationship 01:16:47 - Mary Magdalene's salvation 01:22:05 - Jesus encouraged people to use drugs 01:22:52 - Jesus was tripping during his crucifixion 01:32:50 - Nero's death inducers 01:40:40 - Caligula 01:51:02 - New Egyptian mug discovery 01:56:30 - Reverse engineering the Bible 02:07:02 - Truth about Plato 02:12:23 - Ammon responds to Wesley Huff 02:21:44 - Jesus at the park with a young boy 02:28:44 - How Ammon got fired from University of Wisconsin Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Danny Jones?

  My following guest is one of the world's leading classical philologists and experts in ancient Greek, who was famously accused of demon possession and portal opening by the Catholic Church before he was injected by his university. Due to the highly disturbing nature of this episode, it had to be heavily censored with parts redacted. I know you can handle it, but YouTube can't. If you really want to see the parts that were cut out and avoid the ads, it's available on Patreon. Hammer that subscribe button below and enjoy the show.

• 0:36Speaker 01

  All right, kiddos, we are rolling.

• 0:39Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 0:45Danny Jones?

  Welcome back, brother.

• 0:53Speaker 01

  Hail Satan.

• 0:55Danny Jones?

  How's that tobacco?

• 0:56Speaker 01

  Oh, God, it's wonderful.

• 1:00Speaker 01

  Thank you for having me.

• 1:02Danny Jones?

  Of course. It's my pleasure. My pleasure. We, you caused a ruckus on that first podcast we did.

• 1:08Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:09Danny Jones?

  And I've learned so much since that first podcast.

• 1:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, fantastic.

• 1:16Danny Jones?

  Some of the texts that we're going to go into today are going to make me want to throw up. So I brought my barf bag. I'm ready. The Greeks were sickos. The Greeks were into some nasty shit.

• 1:28Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. So was Jesus. I've got a text for you today about Jesus that we're going to go with him out in the back.

• 1:38Danny Jones?

  In the back alley?

• 1:39Speaker 01

  No, he takes her up into the woods.

• 1:42Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:43Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I'm going to show you a text that's going to make your skin crawl. But this is the way, brother.

• 1:50Danny Jones?

  We've had, we've been trying to set up a proper debate.

• 1:58Danny Jones?

  With you and a biblical scholar and we can't get anyone to step in here and talk to you. I think people are afraid of not just what you're saying, but your performative behavior, I think really confuses and terrifies people.

• 2:18Speaker 01

  Oh God, I love it. Don't you? Doesn't that, doesn't that make it special?

• 2:23Danny Jones?

  I think it makes it great. It makes it so much more fun.

• 2:27Speaker 01

  Why do you think they run?

• 2:30Danny Jones?

  I feel like I said, I think they run because they don't know. I think they're terrified by, by the performative behavior that you put on you. You're theatrical in the way that you translate this stuff and the way that you teach this stuff on your YouTube channel. It's fun and it's, it's cinematic and it's, uh, it's thought provoking.

• 2:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, you're very generous. You're very, that's why I like you, Danny Jones, because you're very generous. I appreciate that. I appreciate, you know, the thing that really draws me that I want people to understand is the souls, the souls of the people. Once you show them the reality, oh God, it's like you break open some kind of new portal and you're able to push the person through and it's like they come alive. And the basis of that of the text and the reason people are afraid is, you know, this beautiful, beautiful thing that we have called ancient Greek, this mother who's so sexy.

• 3:37Speaker 01

  You have to really know what you're doing and have experience and training in the language. And, um, all of our evidence from antiquity, I wouldn't just sit here and make up stuff with you, Danny. I wouldn't. All of our evidence from antiquity, that's what I handle and people are afraid of that, right? People are afraid of that. So, good, good. I'm gonna show, that's why I'm gonna show you the Jesus engaging in sexual drug induced cult with Mary.

• 4:12Speaker 01

  You're gonna love it. You're gonna love it. It's just a text. People ask me, Dan, I wanted to say, and that's one of the things I put on the interview, misconceptions. People have misconceptions about me. They do. I don't have any opinions or judgments. I'm not selling you a theory. I have nothing. That's why Lady Babylon on YouTube is not monetized. I have a contract with the devil. Everybody knows that I'm open. I can't make a cent on this. So that scares people, too.

• 4:48Danny Jones?

  That does scare people.

• 4:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:50Danny Jones?

  And I think that's metal as that you do that.

• 4:52Speaker 01

  Awesome.

• 4:53Danny Jones?

  Because, explain, explain why you don't want to bring money into this? Do you think that bringing money into the stuff that you're doing kind of poisons the well?

• 5:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, beautifully. I'll put that back on, but beautifully, I need to participate in this.

• 5:18Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 5:18Speaker 01

  Because you just hit the nail on the head. You poison the well of inspiration when you sell it. When you, the minute that you take that coin, the material loses its attachment to the reality by the quantum physics that they called the muse, right? You have to keep that well pure. And that's why the devil's writing it into all the contracts. You can't get what you want. You can't get that esoteric knowledge. You can't get that vision

• 5:59Speaker 01

  of what is that quantum reality, right, without, without the integrity. The Greeks said it this way, in a chorus of furies.

• 6:16Speaker 01

  They said, "Your greed stains your soul with the stench of ruin." So it's a process of, all the Greek religion is a process of purification, that mystery religion. You know, those are all purifications. That's one of the pollutions, man, is that greed. So that's why I can't monetize Lady Babylon. And I don't want to make any money. She's not a, you know, she's not, I'm not hooking. You know what I mean? It's brotherly. There's a lot of brotherly. YouTube smells like a brothel, doesn't it? A lot of brotherly. And that taints the material. The muse isn't going to speak to you, baby. Sorry.

• 6:56Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 6:57Speaker 01

  That's it.

• 6:57Danny Jones?

  No, and you're not, also, you're not beholden to anything. You're not beholden to any sort of, any institution, any university.

• 7:05Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 7:06Danny Jones?

  Anything like that. You're, like you said on the last time, you're Ronin.

• 7:09Speaker 01

  Right.

• 7:09Danny Jones?

  You're completely detached from anything.

• 7:12Speaker 01

  Right. It gives me a freedom. Some of the stuff that I'm going to tell you today, some of the stuff that I'm going to bring you is, I could only bring you because I am not a professor anymore. And I am not in any academic institution.

• 7:28Danny Jones?

  And for, sorry to interrupt, for people that maybe didn't watch the first episode, tell us your actual academic history.

• 7:35Speaker 01

  Just really quick, classics, PhD, right? Masters, of course, classics, but also bacteriology. Love it. Got a little molecular biology background. Love it. Lab work, oh God, I love those heads. Brains. Gimme brains. The, by the way, Danny, can I just say, you are setting up something gorgeous here. Bringing people together to be able to look at this material. And to be able to engage at this level, that's fantastic. That's, that's, that's better than journalism.

• 8:19Speaker 01

  That's, that's the beginning of the end, man. That's, that's, oh God, I love it.

• 8:24Danny Jones?

  So, last time you were on here, um, the first time, the first show we did, I made it clear upfront that I wasn't prepared for the conversation we had, although I read your book and I listened to your podcast with Hamilton. But, like, going back to like how I started the conversation to explaining your performative way of teaching this stuff, it has inspired me to be fascinated in these things and continue to dive down this rabbit hole. And I've invited like half a dozen people on the show since to either corroborate what you're saying or, or shut down what you're saying, or at least show some sort of counter evidence

• 9:09Danny Jones?

  or give me some more context to what you're saying, because there's nobody else that's saying what you're saying.

• 9:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:16Danny Jones?

  You can, or at least I can't find it.

• 9:18Speaker 01

  Right. There wouldn't be.

• 9:20Danny Jones?

  So, and, and that's like a common thread on this show. I will typically have people on here that will say something, right? That, that many people won't agree with. And then other people will reach out and say, hey, this guy's full of shit, let me come present my evidence, right?

• 9:37Speaker 01

  Which is good, that's a gymnasium. That's an ancient Greek gymnasium.

• 9:41Danny Jones?

  Correct.

• 9:42Speaker 01

  Wrestling, perfect.

• 9:43Danny Jones?

  Well, a lot of people made videos, kind of like responding to what you were saying, like edited videos, calling out bullshit on you, saying that you messed up. You were lying, you were getting, taking stuff out of context. Yet, we, so people know, we quite literally reached out to, I don't know, Steve, what was it? Two, three dozen scholars?

• 10:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, there was, there was, there was a lot, there was a lot.

• 10:10Danny Jones?

  I, I, I asked an AI to give me like a list of 50 and half of them were dead.

• 10:14Speaker 01

  We, uh, uh, oh.

• 10:17Danny Jones?

  A few of them, a few of them were from Harvard, a few of them, uh, classic, classical philologists from Harvard, um, theologians, biblical scholars, um, all of which

• 10:34Speaker 01

  Juicy.

• 10:35Danny Jones?

  Said they would not be comfortable to come debate you.

• 10:42Speaker 01

  Let me tell you again.

• 10:44Danny Jones?

  So I gotta keep rolling with this until I can find somebody.

• 10:47Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 10:49Danny Jones?

  To prove

• 10:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:50Danny Jones?

  You wrong.

• 10:50Speaker 01

  They, we just wanna talk about the Bible.

• 10:52Danny Jones?

  We just wanna talk about the Bible.

• 10:54Speaker 01

  You've got to bait them, Danny. You've got to bait them. Look, if this is gonna work out as my place of feasting, you've got to bait these people better, right? They know, here's the problem. What makes them afraid? What makes them afraid? It is that, that old reason that sits in our brain and tells us, you know, I don't believe in fairy tales. I want some science. And they know that that's what a classical philologist does is they work with the science of the language. And when you look at these texts, you're, it's gonna blow your, your whole mind of what you thought.

• 11:34Danny Jones?

  Have you, did you say on the last podcast, or have you ever said that you're the only one?

• 11:41Speaker 01

  No.

• 11:41Danny Jones?

  Who knows this stuff?

• 11:42Speaker 01

  No, of course I know. No, no, no. Any classicist. And there's a few who have started studying Galen, right? Any classicist can come to you and say, hey, um, you know, the sources that he's talking about, like Nero's arch physician that's in Galen? That talks about the drugs that are being used in the death rites? Him? And they can look it up. They can go, they're classicists. They can go look it up. They can check the Greek out.

• 12:11Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 12:12Speaker 01

  Now, classical departments have been fallen behind. And that's why it's particular to me. That's why it's, there's, you don't have hundreds of people coming up and saying, oh my God, did you know Christ is a drug?

• 12:23Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 12:23Speaker 01

  Right? You don't have people doing that. So the, your guys at Harvard or Yale, those people are smart enough to know that I'm just talking texts. And they can tell whether or not I'm a trained classical scholar, right? What you call a philologist? Is that dude a classical philologist? They can tell. And fortunately, the fakers and the phonies can tell as well. And that's why when you invite people and they don't come, it's because they're unable to. The one of the people that you invited is now on a big show.

• 13:00Danny Jones?

  Oh, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, because he did the debate with somebody that blew up.

• 13:05Speaker 01

  Right. And he's not here now.

• 13:08Danny Jones?

  No, he's not here.

• 13:08Speaker 01

  No.

• 13:09Danny Jones?

  But in to his, in all fairness, he's a very busy guy. He had a lot of stuff going on in his life. And, you know, you get a call from that big that show and you kind of have to do it.

• 13:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:22Danny Jones?

  But yeah, that's sad. It's a shame. But the way I understand it is there's like, the Bible, and then there's Christianity, that is like this veneer

• 13:35Danny Jones?

  that people don't like to look through. They don't like to look past that. But behind that, there's this, a whole nother universe of history with all this other stuff with from, from poetry to comedy to musical stuff, to philosophy, to medical texts, that is just like, once you can penetrate that veil of Christianity and the church, there, there's so much more to learn.

• 14:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, you got it. Listen to that. You just cracked the ages. You know what I mean? Right? When you see through that Christian filter, and I, I don't want to say Christian, it's a modest filter, because people, the same thing happened to the Egyptians, like in the 14th century B.C. They had a monism that came along, one God, and everybody's one God, and everybody else has to be ignored, and forget her, Lady Justice, and forget. And that was the, those were the followers of Aten, right? And anyway, whether it's Atenism, or Christianity, or Judaism, or Islam, those are modest traditions. And modest traditions

• 14:52Speaker 01

  follow patterns in history. And if you can penetrate that modest lens and get back down to the classical civilization. You can explain what those very earliest Christians were doing because their writings are at the same time, you know, here's the big problem, people. This is why the world is so screwy and why the history that you think you know is not the accurate history. It's not the factual history.

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• 16:58Speaker 01

  Because you're looking through a lens of theology.

• 17:02Speaker 01

  You're looking through a lens and it's distorting the way that you're perceiving the world. And the reason you're doing that is because the focus was narrowed to the biblical or Christian or modest texts. So outside of that world is an entire other world. It's what surrounds it and makes it operate. What? Christ. Jesus didn't show up and become the first Christ.

• 17:35Speaker 01

  The first Christ was Lady Babylon. The first linguistic reference we've got to a historical person, the Queen of Babylon, the Medwa, Medea, she is first portrayed as Christing herself. But when Jesus is there, you know, a thousand years later, when he's doing his thing, that word is going to be very important. It's history and everything about it. People, here's what I mean. Let me crack the lens a little bit for you. There are five words in Greek, ancient Greek. They're

• 18:17Speaker 01

  the most prominent words that you're going to hear in Christianity. And those five words are all drug terms. They're all drug terms. Are you ready? Christ, Savior, baptism, mystery.

• 18:40Speaker 01

  And what's the fifth? Resurrection? No. Um, oh God, I forgot the fifth. I'll thank you. Where's that? Too much tobacco. I need some more of the tobacco to jog, to jog my memory. But all of those, gospel, see? It works. Gospel. Gospel. People don't realize it. That's the, that's the beautiful one. Can I? Of course. Please? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tobacco, yay. The, what is the, oh God, where's, where's my lighter paper? It's there, isn't it? How can you? Is it under this? It's under my hat. It's under my hat.

• 19:22Speaker 01

  Um, gospel. People don't realize that the word gospel is the word that you use when a drug is given to a person. It's the drug's efficacy. The gospel is what brings you salvation. Salvation, right? And remember, there's no clear delineation between drug use and religion and medicine. Those are all part of the same world. This is why you have prophets. Anybody knows, and this is what's, I'm gonna rock the world with this. Are you ready? And people can be, oh, how can he, how can he say that? Look at the text, people.

• 20:03Speaker 01

  The only, the only thing that a prophet designates is somebody who sees visions via drugs.

• 20:17Danny Jones?

  And prophets were people who were bombed on drugs in antiquity?

• 20:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, not just bombed, but you know, like integrated into their whole

• 20:25Danny Jones?

  They were like shamans?

• 20:26Speaker 01

  repertoire. Yeah, that you could touch their clothing and everybody knew you're gonna get some kind of blessing.

• 20:34Speaker 01

  You know what I mean?

• 20:35Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 20:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, a vision perhaps, a vision. I'm sorry, am I yelling in your ear?

• 20:40Danny Jones?

  No, you're, no, you're fine. No, it's great.

• 20:42Speaker 01

  Vision.

• 20:43Danny Jones?

  Um, but what do you say to all the people

• 20:49Danny Jones?

  online, there was many of them, who said when you're, and people that I've had on this podcast since, that say

• 20:58Danny Jones?

  there is this semantic range and the word Christ had many different meanings. And just because that you say it was a drug term doesn't mean that that's the only meaning it had. There were many other readings and you're broad brushing the word Christ to mean what you want it to mean.

• 21:16Speaker 01

  Those people don't read Classical Greek. All of those critics, right? None of them actually does Classical Greek. If they did, they wouldn't make such a stupid statement. Right? The role of the classical philosopher, the job is to find that lexical reality. What does that word mean? And so what you do is when you read works over a period of a thousand years, because remember, that's what we do. We read stuff that takes place over a thousand years. Okay? So it's not just like, this is not, I tell my students, you're not just learning English.

• 22:07Speaker 01

  You're not just learning English, or German, or French.

• 22:11Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 22:12Speaker 01

  Right? You're learning over a millennium, two millennium. You're following the track of the logos. I love you, Mr. Box. You're tracking the arc of the logos. Right? And that's why those terms like that, there's a whole physics behind it and whatnot. And the classicist has actually had the privilege, if they're good of reading everything around, everything around, right, over 2,000 year span. Boom! And then when somebody comes to you with a text, for example, the Bible, right?

• 22:55Speaker 01

  You've got a broad context of where that thing sits and where the meaning has drifted, or not drifted, or augmented, or changed. Right? Because that's what meaning does. That's why they say semantic drift and whatnot.

• 23:08Danny Jones?

  Semantic drift, right? The meaning changes over time.

• 23:10Speaker 01

  Yes, right? Because they're living. They grow and they develop, they age and they die.

• 23:15Danny Jones?

  Right?

• 23:16Speaker 01

  Language is living, for anybody who didn't figure that out.

• 23:19Danny Jones?

  What is the semantic drift of the word "Christ"?

• 23:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, it starts out as the bite. It's the bite of the fly.

• 23:27Danny Jones?

  The gadfly.

• 23:28Speaker 01

  The gadfly, right? Which brings you the oistrus. Now, wait a minute. You say what? Stop, it's the culture. What are they using? They're using arrow poisons.

• 23:40Danny Jones?

  When, when is this? What year?

• 23:42Speaker 01

  So, say, late Bronze Age.

• 23:44Danny Jones?

  Late Bron- so.

• 23:45Speaker 01

  Late Bronze Age. You could say like 1600 to 1000.

• 23:50Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 23:51Speaker 01

  Right? Just talk about that period of the Bronze Age, right? This is when all this tech is coming about. It's all coming through arrow poisons. The very words in Greek are what betray this, right? In addition to all the references, right? Now, you can say Iocheira, the poison.

• 24:10Danny Jones?

  Where do the arrow poisons come from? Is that snake venom?

• 24:12Speaker 01

  That's black sea stuff, baby. It's black sea stuff, and it's coming from combos of venoms, combos.

• 24:20Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 24:21Speaker 01

  Which is incredible.

• 24:22Danny Jones?

  Right. Multiple venoms mixed together.

• 24:24Speaker 01

  Multiple venoms mixed together. And they're blending it up. Even the midwives are using it to deliver children and stuff like that.

• 24:33Danny Jones?

  And the Medusa would shampoo their hair in this venom.

• 24:38Speaker 01

  Well, it said they carried the venom in their hair. I don't know if you'd say shampoo it, but. I'd probably just oil it up. I've never had the pleasure of oiling up a Medusa, but, you know, I can imagine, you know, that hair is the container for the eos, they called it.

• 24:56Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 24:57Speaker 01

  So, do you understand why they had prophets and oracles? Because they were using the eos. Now, this is something, look, I'll give you something fresh.

• 25:07Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 25:08Speaker 01

  Because I know, that's all material, man. I told you that, baby. What's the fresh stuff? You know that rod? You know what I brought you today?

• 25:16Danny Jones?

  No, go ahead. I'm just kidding.

• 25:16Speaker 01

  I have brought to you the rod of Hermes. Oh, God. It's like that guy's rod.

• 25:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, they knocked him all off, Alcibiades, those [BLEEP]ers. Oh, I'm sorry. You know.

• 25:30Danny Jones?

  No, it's okay. Don't worry about it.

• 25:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, and they, anyway, the rod. Oh, God. This is something people don't know. The serpent. Two serpents wound around a rod? Do you know what that?

• 25:47Danny Jones?

  Copulation.

• 25:48Speaker 01

  No, no, no. God damn it, no!

• 25:51Danny Jones?

  Well, I heard Ruck talking about this. He's, Ruck, Ruck's, Karl Ruck said, "When you see a serpent copulate, it opens a portal to another dimension." And also, when you see a serpent copulate, you have a sex. Exchange.

• 26:04Speaker 01

  You.

• 26:05Danny Jones?

  What the?

• 26:07Speaker 01

  Cause he knows in the cave of Iternitas above the entrance is the Grolbros. He knows that. So he knows that's the snake that consumes itself.

• 26:21Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 26:22Speaker 01

  Right? That he's talking about. Yeah, definitely. He's talking about that old, oh, God. Earth mother, the first oracle. Definitely.

• 26:32Danny Jones?

  The skip.

• 26:32Speaker 01

  Now, why is it between the rod? What is it separating? The rod is separating two. It's suffering two snakes.

• 26:41Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 26:43Speaker 01

  It is dot and antidote.

• 26:46Danny Jones?

  Right. That's what you explained.

• 26:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, yeah, no. I didn't explain that last time because I just learned that. It's dot and antidote.

• 26:56Danny Jones?

  By the way, can you, it is a kind of a terrifying image, the image of two snakes having sex. Have you seen it?

• 27:05Speaker 01

  Not having sex.

• 27:06Danny Jones?

  Can you look it up, Steve? Just type in snakes mating.

• 27:10Speaker 01

  Do they have their anal flaps?

• 27:12Danny Jones?

  It's crazy looking.

• 27:13Speaker 01

  They have dual.

• 27:15Danny Jones?

  No.

• 27:15Speaker 01

  Pins. They have, what do they call those?

• 27:17Danny Jones?

  You find it, Steve?

• 27:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, hold.

• 27:19Speaker 01

  Hemipen.

• 27:23Speaker 01

  Snakes have.

• 27:25Danny Jones?

  Just images, not, not.

• 27:26Speaker 01

  Penis is.

• 27:26Danny Jones?

  Just go to, go to images.

• 27:27Speaker 01

  Two heads, two headed penis.

• 27:31Danny Jones?

  The snake does?

• 27:32Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 27:32Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 27:33Speaker 01

  Oh, God. I massage my snakes.

• 27:35Danny Jones?

  Look at that. Look at that right there.

• 27:36Speaker 01

  What?

• 27:37Speaker 02

  Oh, this thing.

• 27:37Danny Jones?

  Yeah, look at that. How wild is that? They're like braid themselves together.

• 27:44Speaker 01

  Yeah. They love it.

• 27:45Danny Jones?

  And I'm sure they bite each other.

• 27:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, you rub them. Oh, God. Look at the, it comes out. Where's the hemipen? Show us.

• 27:55Speaker 01

  Give us, it's dual headed.

• 27:58Speaker 01

  It's dual headed.

• 27:59Danny Jones?

  What does that mean when you see a snake? Look at, look at, look at that on the right. Yeah.

• 28:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's gorgeous.

• 28:06Danny Jones?

  How crazy is that?

• 28:07Speaker 01

  We're just enjoying snake.

• 28:09Danny Jones?

  Yeah, we're watching snake porn right now.

• 28:10Speaker 01

  I love that. It's a dance, huh?

• 28:12Danny Jones?

  Watching a snake is like opening a portal to another dimension, says Rock.

• 28:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's getting me going, that's for sure.

• 28:23Speaker 01

  Fantastic. Thank you. Thank you, Dr. Rock. Appreciate this.

• 28:27Danny Jones?

  So, so the semantic grift of the semantic drift of the word Christ.

• 28:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:36Danny Jones?

  Christ starts in the Bronze Age, late Bronze Age. That's the first time we ever see the word Christ.

• 28:42Speaker 01

  No, it's the first reference to an individual who was from that period.

• 28:47Danny Jones?

  It's a first reference to an individual.

• 28:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, who was using, who was Christing.

• 28:52Danny Jones?

  And who is that individual?

• 28:53Speaker 01

  Medea. That's the oldest one that we've got. So, we know that the concept-

• 28:58Danny Jones?

  First time we ever see the word Christ?

• 29:00Speaker 01

  It's the first time we ever see a re- okay, it's the earliest ref- don't say it's the first.

• 29:06Danny Jones?

  Okay, sorry.

• 29:06Speaker 01

  It's the, it's the reference to the earliest Christing historical person. Reference to the, first time we see someone was, oh, somebody got Christed.

• 29:22Danny Jones?

  Hmm, okay.

• 29:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:23Danny Jones?

  But was the term ever, do we find that word anytime in literature earlier than that?

• 29:28Speaker 01

  No, no. Oh, oh, in literature earlier than that. Oh, yeah, no, no, there's a whole bunch. Like Euripides is earlier. That's a historical reference.

• 29:38Speaker 01

  Right? So that's a historian, a Greek historian. Remember the Greeks invented history, right?

• 29:43Danny Jones?

  And how is Euripides using the word?

• 29:45Speaker 01

  He's using it the same way. He's using it for a sex drug.

• 29:48Danny Jones?

  Oh, okay.

• 29:49Speaker 01

  Yeah. No, it's never different from the fact that it's a drug.

• 29:53Danny Jones?

  It's always a drug.

• 29:55Speaker 01

  It's always a fucking drug. PayPal, right? It always is a drug.

• 30:02Danny Jones?

  It's a new year and maybe you want to build something yourself or be your own boss. Like Steve, the faceless producer who wants to sell spaceman necklaces.

• 30:10Speaker 02

  This is true, Danny. I am faceless.

• 30:12Danny Jones?

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• 30:57Danny Jones?

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• 31:27Speaker 01

  So I don't, you know, the only reason, and people will say, Danny, you know, you're being bamboozled.

• 31:33Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 31:33Speaker 01

  Right?

• 31:34Danny Jones?

  Everyone's saying that.

• 31:35Speaker 01

  How does this one guy come up with this thing that nobody else knows? You know why? Because I've read the medical literature.

• 31:43Speaker 01

  Right? The first time I saw it, it kind of excited me too. I was like, wait a minute. Did that just say somebody christed someone?

• 31:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. Surprised me.

• 31:52Danny Jones?

  When is the first time it is? So, starting, it goes, Euripides talked about it before Medea.

• 32:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:02Danny Jones?

  And then...

• 32:02Speaker 01

  No, Euripides talked about it before the historian who wrote about Medea.

• 32:07Danny Jones?

  Before the historian.

• 32:08Speaker 01

  Before he wrote.

• 32:09Danny Jones?

  Got it. Okay, okay, yeah. This is hard to navigate the history because we're talking about things that happened, that we're talking about when it was written about.

• 32:15Speaker 01

  It's over 2,000 years. God, it's so confusing.

• 32:17Danny Jones?

  Yeah, so...

• 32:20Danny Jones?

  When is the first time the word Christ is used in a different way? That's not a drug term.

• 32:25Speaker 01

  It's never used in a different way. That's not a fucking drug term. I'm sorry. I gotta stop the F bombs. I should put the hat back on.

• 32:32Danny Jones?

  When did they start saying that it was a, it was something different? It was a, what, what did Dan McClellan say? Dan McClellan said it meant a, a revolutionary. When did that come about? When did they start saying it meant a revolutionary?

• 32:46Speaker 01

  There's, it never does. They're smoking a, a.

• 32:49Danny Jones?

  Oh, no, never mind, never mind. He said laistase meant revolutionary.

• 32:53Speaker 01

  Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, that's the same, that's the same drug he's using though. It's the same drug he's using, right? You put up a boundary. Here's what happens. You said in the very beginning, which is genius. There's a, you know, you reach a point where Christianity took over the writing of the history and the analysis, the education. And when they did, you'd lost something, right? And we're looking at that, but we haven't penetrated yet that lens. That's still theology.

• 33:21Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 33:22Speaker 01

  That you're getting. It's always a Christing, but.

• 33:24Danny Jones?

  So it's always a Christing until the church?

• 33:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, until it becomes a tradition in the church.

• 33:31Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 33:32Speaker 01

  And then they define what this thing is.

• 33:38Speaker 01

  It's fantastic.

• 33:39Danny Jones?

  Okay. And Bible scholars wouldn't know this because Bible scholars don't read medical texts. They don't read philosophical texts. They don't, they don't, they stick to the gospels.

• 33:48Speaker 01

  I can bring any Bible scholar in here and I hope this doesn't scare you away. Because I'm waiting. I'm so hungry, Danny. I'm so hungry. I'm, um.

• 33:59Danny Jones?

  This is an open invitation for anyone, uh, and I think it would make it better if we got two Bible scholars in here.

• 34:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:08Danny Jones?

  To debate you.

• 34:08Speaker 01

  Oh, God.

• 34:09Danny Jones?

  So it's two verse one. The, the table's a little lopsided.

• 34:12Speaker 01

  Two at once.

• 34:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, it's, it's

• 34:18Danny Jones?

  Or classicist, classicist, Bible scholar, scholar, anybody.

• 34:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, any classicist, right? Come sit here, let's talk about, isn't it wonderful they're talking about it? You know what I mean? Hey, classes should be drawn like flies, you know what I mean? They should love this stuff. Yeah, classes is

• 34:34Danny Jones?

  Is there, is there a, is there any reason they would be afraid to do this? Not in the fact, not in the aspect of getting things wrong or getting quote unquote steamrolled by you, but like, would they get any sort of backlash from their universities? Or they like lose tenure for engaging with you and talking about this stuff?

• 34:54Speaker 01

  Traditionally, I don't know about the atmosphere right now, but traditionally, classicists don't mingle with biblical scholars.

• 35:01Danny Jones?

  Right, right.

• 35:02Speaker 01

  Why?

• 35:03Danny Jones?

  I'm talking about another classicist.

• 35:04Speaker 01

  Because it was their texts, right? And they don't want people saying things about their texts. You could get yourself in big trouble if you start talking about what's in there, right? You can, it's very easy, I'm telling you. There is stuff, oh, I'm gonna show you today a new one, you guys are gonna love this. Oh God, eat my, eat my lation, says Jesus Christ, it's alive.

• 35:40Danny Jones?

  So that's what he told Mary on the mountain?

• 35:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, in the woods, he took her out in the woods.

• 35:45Danny Jones?

  Yeah, we actually, we actually read about this on a previous podcast that we did with somebody. Who, who, remember, remember we like read through this?

• 35:54Speaker 01

  Did you?

• 35:54Danny Jones?

  On a recent pod, we saw it on a blog post where there was a guy, he was calling it the, uh, it was a Bart Ammon or something. Bart Airman. Bart Airman, yeah, yeah, yeah, he was explaining this, uh, the something, something, something about Mary. And he talked about how Jesus was making Mary eat his

• 36:09Speaker 01

  The greater letters of Mary.

• 36:12Danny Jones?

  The greater, yes, that's, no, no, he was calling it the greater questions of Mary.

• 36:16Speaker 01

  It is, it's questions, it's questions, yeah, it is. Oh God, what do you do? It's a clear reference, and by the way, it's one thing I can do is I can unlock for you. The fact that when he, Jesus talks at that moment about bringing the woman from his side. People always think, you know, and you think back to Eve and the presentation of Eve in the Septuagint, which was a Hellenistic document. If, and not a Hebrew one, it never was. And when you think about what he did when he said it brought a woman out of his side,

• 36:58Speaker 01

  is a process of, I can show you the text, is a process of sexual activity. And engaging the flanks. Have you ever engaged a woman in the flank? Ah, do you understand what I'm saying? You put that energy into the flank. Boom, bring it from both sides, shoot it right in there, you know what I mean?

• 37:23Danny Jones?

  Both sides?

• 37:24Speaker 01

  Yeah. Boom, just shoot it right in. You know what I mean? And it's the sex cult. It's the, that's the thing that's so cool about this is there's a lot of sex cult stuff going on.

• 37:35Danny Jones?

  Yeah. No, yeah, you made that clear last time.

• 37:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, and it says that the, it says in the text, in the Greek text. Now, remember people, how is this person getting this stuff? How is Ammon getting this stuff? It's just text out there in Greek. And you can look at these people. And this one says something beautiful. This one says something beautiful. It says the kids were afraid of the drugs. They were afraid of the drugs that Jesus was talking about.

• 38:05Danny Jones?

  The kids were?

• 38:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, because he wanted them to eat his. Eat it. That's what it says. He engaged Mary sexually out in the woods. And then he said, you've got to eat. You've gotta eat my apoiya. You've gotta eat my. That's life. Right? Eat my flesh and.

• 38:32Danny Jones?

  And who, who wrote that?

• 38:33Speaker 01

  Drink my hyma. And people say, hyma means. Boom.

• 38:37Danny Jones?

  They want to change the meaning of the words, yeah.

• 38:39Speaker 01

  Oh, my God. Just look at the text, people. It's really cool. I'm sorry, Danny, to go on a rant like that. Yeah, go ahead. What's next?

• 38:50Danny Jones?

  No, I was, I was just gonna ask you, who wrote that, that questions of Mary, the, the story about him being on the mountain with Mary and doing that?

• 38:57Speaker 01

  Yeah. I don't know. No, no clue.

• 39:03Danny Jones?

  But you read, didn't you read it?

• 39:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:05Danny Jones?

  You read the primary?

• 39:06Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, we have the text, but who knows who, you mean who wrote it originally?

• 39:11Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 39:11Speaker 01

  Now, who knows?

• 39:12Danny Jones?

  Oh.

• 39:13Speaker 01

  I don't know. Does it matter? Who, like, this is biblical scholars, they sit around, yay, he wrote this. Oh, God. Does it, it doesn't say.

• 39:24Danny Jones?

  So when you-

• 39:25Speaker 01

  The document is the evidence.

• 39:27Danny Jones?

  But when you read the document, don't you consider where it came from and when it came from, or no?

• 39:31Speaker 01

  Um, you do, but you determine that through the language.

• 39:36Danny Jones?

  Oh.

• 39:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:38Danny Jones?

  So by reading the Greek, you can figure out who wrote it and when?

• 39:42Speaker 01

  You were trained as a classical philologist to be able to read Greek from the late Bronze Age. Right? You from, oh my, in, into the, right, that goes into the, uh, into the Linear B. From that period down, okay, starting with Homer, working your way all the way forward to 1,000 anno Domini, where you're reading Homeric scholars who are writing ancient, uh, who are, who are writing Byzantine, uh, explanations and commentaries of Homer, right?

• 40:22Speaker 01

  Because Homer, remember, Homer is the way that we teach grammar, right? It's a science and you program somebody. That's why the second thing on my little thing here was, why are we so far behind the Greeks, right? Listen to their education. It's music, it's in three branches, music,

• 40:46Speaker 01

  gramata, grammar, and gymnasium, where you and I are gonna get naked together? Steve's gonna watch.

• 41:03Danny Jones?

  And what's the gymnasium?

• 41:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's, I'm telling you, we're gonna get naked together.

• 41:08Danny Jones?

  Okay, with the candles?

• 41:10Speaker 01

  No, no candles, no. No, we don't need the Bible then.

• 41:14Danny Jones?

  We need the Bible if we're gonna get naked.

• 41:15Speaker 01

  Not in the gymnasium.

• 41:16Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 41:17Speaker 01

  Not in the gymnasium. We're gonna get naked and we're gonna get oiled up.

• 41:22Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 41:23Speaker 01

  And you and I are gonna slug it out. We're gonna put, we're gonna put some bands on.

• 41:29Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 41:30Speaker 01

  Right, to prevent any serious damage, you know what I mean?

• 41:35Danny Jones?

  Butt naked, boxing, MMA, ancient MMA.

• 41:38Speaker 01

  Right, right, wrestling. We're gonna practice submission and taking somebody down and submitting them. So, their education, the standard Greek education is one-third music, one-third grammar, the spoken language, and one-third MMA. Yeah.

• 42:04Danny Jones?

  No math?

• 42:06Speaker 01

  Um, it's part of, believe it or not, it's part of MMA.

• 42:09Danny Jones?

  The math is part of MMA?

• 42:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, you got, everybody's sitting in the stands, you know what they're doing? They're reading, Pythagoras, baby.

• 42:18Danny Jones?

  Mmm.

• 42:19Speaker 01

  Right, these are Greeks, man, where do you think libraries come from? They didn't come from, they didn't come from any civilization but one alone. That was the greatest language, the most complex language. And everybody's sitting and looking at the, can I just say? Everybody's sitting and looking at the pyramids. Oh, God. Big deal, big deal.

• 42:45Danny Jones?

  The pyramids?

• 42:46Speaker 01

  The pyramids.

• 42:47Danny Jones?

  Not impressed?

• 42:48Speaker 01

  Not impressed.

• 42:48Danny Jones?

  Why?

• 42:49Speaker 01

  Rocks piled upon rocks by a bunch of sweaty slaves. And do you understand why we can't figure out how they built the things? Because they weren't smart enough to develop a language that would allow them to describe it, to hand it down to us. If you read anything, any sort of translation from Egyptian, read it, read it.

• 43:17Speaker 01

  Read it. I had to read the medical stuff, right? Because I was looking at their technical level. You read the Book of the Dead, man. You read the... By the way, the whole Middle Eastern thing too, all you scholars out there. And the Middle Eastern thing, you know that language is garbage.

• 43:31Danny Jones?

  What language is that?

• 43:32Speaker 01

  You know, it's all of them. The Assyrian, the Akkadian, all of them. Now, the Assyrians had a little bit of medicine. That was it, though. Right? Read the Epic of Gilgamesh. Oh, my God. Listen, people. I already set this up.

• 43:44Danny Jones?

  What is the Epic of Gilgamesh? That's written in Sumerian?

• 43:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's, uh... Yeah, it's... There's several. Sumerian and Babylonian. Akkadian, I think, is in there. Right? Middle Eastern languages. We're talking about Gilgamesh. They got it from the Library of Asher-Palipal, right? Which is mostly a bunch of laundry lists. Anyway. Um, the master work that they came up with was this Gilgamesh. And I just want to read to you. What I'm gonna do, audience, this magic trick that I'm gonna do, is I'm gonna flash before your eyes two things. The first thing is Gilgamesh, and the second thing is Aristotle. Oh, God, this guy's gonna... He's gonna totally bash us. Yes, Timmy.

• 44:31Speaker 01

  That is the, uh... That is the purpose.

• 44:33Danny Jones?

  Steve, you wanna hit the lights for us? You wanna, uh...

• 44:36Speaker 01

  I can... I think I can do it.

• 44:37Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 44:38Speaker 01

  "This day on which Inkydo dreamed came to an end." Yeah, "And he lay stricken with sickness." "One whole day he lay on his bed, and his suffering increased." He said Gilgamesh, the friend on whose account he had left the wilderness. "Once I ran for you, but..." He's having some kind of delusional fevers here. "For the water of life," he's going, "for the water of life." "And I now have nothing." "A second day he lay on his bed, and Gilgamesh washed over him." "But the sickness increased. A third day he lay on the bed..."

• 45:20Speaker 01

  He called out to Gilgamesh, rousing him up. Now he was a week in the eyes. He's blind with weeping and ten days he lay there sunnering. Crazy, oh my God, does this ever stop? And Gilgamesh wept over him. Oh God, he finally died. I'm so happy. Right? Right? Okay, now think about the language that it takes to express that, just linguistically. Right? Do you hear the repetition? Do you hear it's very simple verbs, very simple actions. It's very, you know, repeated. That's what languages that don't have many words do that. They use repetition as a crutch.

• 46:03Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 46:03Speaker 01

  Think of it as like a kid developing, developing his speech. Developing his ability at speaking. Okay, now let's fast forward to Greek and let's compare it. This is Aristotle. Harmony is celestial since its nature is divine, noble, and wonderfully wrought. Being in its operation naturally quadrupartite, it has two means, arithmetic and harmonic. And its parts and magnitudes and excesses are manifested in conformity with number and equality of measure.

• 46:43Speaker 01

  Four melodies are given their form in the range of two tetra chords.

• 46:53Danny Jones?

  What the does that mean?

• 46:55Speaker 01

  Oh, do you feel as dumb as I do?

• 46:57Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 46:57Speaker 01

  It's, it turns into huh? After a while it turns into huh? Okay, that's Aristotle. Right? If you look at what he does with the language,

• 47:10Speaker 01

  it's miraculous. It's like watching a gymnast with a routine. They're just able to reach out into the ether and grab something and pull it in. Oh, God, it, you know.

• 47:27Speaker 01

  In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. And the earth was tohu wa bohu. And you're gonna say, what? Tohu wa bohu is the Hebrew. Is the Hebrew, right? It's not the original. The Greek is

• 47:50Speaker 01

  aoratos and a kata ske wastos. Those are two very different terms. Very, very different. And the Hebrew can only translate them into empty and empty because Hebrew only had a 7,000-word vocabulary, dude. Right? So I, um, as you're looking at languages, as you're looking at, at people who are analyzing those languages, realize what you're dealing with. Languages are not all the same. They're, they're not. And I'm sorry, but Mother Greek is just sexy, sexy naughty. You know what I mean? There's poetry, such, so naughty poetry.

• 48:31Danny Jones?

  So you're the only person on this earth, on this planet, that says that Septuagint was an original Greek?

• 48:40Speaker 01

  Am I the only one?

• 48:43Danny Jones?

  Is there anyone else?

• 48:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, there is.

• 48:45Danny Jones?

  There is?

• 48:45Speaker 01

  Yes, yeah.

• 48:47Danny Jones?

  Who?

• 48:47Speaker 01

  Um, he's dead. Does that count?

• 48:53Danny Jones?

  Kind of, I guess.

• 48:54Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 48:55Danny Jones?

  Maybe you get like a half a point for that. Who is he?

• 48:57Speaker 01

  He's a-

• 48:57Danny Jones?

  Oh, John Scarborough?

• 48:59Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, no. No, no. Um, um, he's a, uh, dead longer than that. Um, he was a scholar of, uh, Greek, uh, grammarian, like they used to grow, right? These are the guys who started, uh, who started everything. Because the language, you can't go where the, the language has to lead you there.

• 49:25Speaker 01

  Um, yeah, and he said, hey, Origen, who's a Christian, right? He's, his name was Africanus.

• 49:33Danny Jones?

  Oh, Africanus, yeah.

• 49:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 49:35Danny Jones?

  He's the only other one. He's been dead a long time.

• 49:37Speaker 01

  He said that, he said that a portion, right, of the Septuagint at least is, there's no way it's a Hebrew.

• 49:46Danny Jones?

  Do you know what portion?

• 49:48Speaker 01

  It was several books. Yeah, Daniel, he uses examples from Daniel and from Genesis.

• 49:58Speaker 01

  Now.

• 49:58Danny Jones?

  So we had Gad Barnea on here.

• 50:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:01Danny Jones?

  He was trying to explain to me, Steve, he said it was like Jewish Greek.

• 50:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, I wonder if it was that Chion Greek, but he definitely said it was.

• 50:11Danny Jones?

  Coiny.

• 50:11Speaker 02

  I wonder, he doesn't say that, and he just said it was Jewish Greek.

• 50:14Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 50:15Speaker 01

  That doesn't exist.

• 50:18Danny Jones?

  Jewish Greek.

• 50:18Speaker 01

  He should know that. It doesn't exist. There's no Jewish Greek. What is Jewish Greek? What do you do? You take all the Jewish?

• 50:26Speaker 02

  Can we play the clips?

• 50:27Speaker 01

  Do you take Jewish authors and throw them? They have a whole separate Greek. Give them a quality.

• 50:32Danny Jones?

  We're gonna love this. Let's bring him into the museum.

• 50:34Speaker 01

  For Christ's sake.

• 50:34Danny Jones?

  Let's bring him into the, into the arena here. Oh, virtually into the arena. What? Oh, God, you got the full podcast? Are you gonna find it? You know where it is? You know where, what spot?

• 50:43Speaker 01

  What? Where does he date the, where does he date Judaism to? He dates it really late, like second century B.C.

• 50:52Danny Jones?

  I'm not sure, but he did say that the Septuagint was Hellenistic, and he said that he believes it was written in the same timeframe as, he said that translation happened within, I might be f***ing this up, but I want to say within 30 years, 20 or 30 years, he said. So he thinks it was, you know, around the same time, or, you know, it was still Hellenistic. I don't know. I don't know what the f*** he was saying. We're gonna have to listen to him. If you can find it, Steve.

• 51:23Speaker 02

  I have this clip right here where he's talking about the.

• 51:25Danny Jones?

  Oh, you have the clip?

• 51:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:26Danny Jones?

  Okay, okay, okay. Let's play it.

• 51:27Speaker 02

  That's what this is.

• 51:27Danny Jones?

  Let's play it.

• 51:29Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 51:29Speaker 03

  Um, now, another really important point that a lot of scholars miss is that the Septuagint is not Greek as such. It's not Greek Greek. It's Judeo-Greek.

• 51:40Danny Jones?

  For people who are new to this stuff, can you explain what the Septuagint was?

• 51:43Speaker 03

  So the Septuagint is this translation of the, especially of the Torah, of the first five books of the Hebrew Bible into something that is Greek related.

• 51:54Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 51:54Speaker 03

  And the reason I'm saying Greek related because it's not, it's not actual Greek. It's Hebrew Greek. It's Jewish Greek. It's Judeo-Greek. It's kind of like.

• 52:03Speaker 01

  Oh, my God, no.

• 52:05Danny Jones?

  You've never heard of that before.

• 52:06Speaker 01

  Oh, my God, because it doesn't exist.

• 52:07Speaker 03

  So I come, I come from classical studies, and so I studied Greek classical Greek for a long time.

• 52:12Speaker 01

  Oh, really? Oh, bring him.

• 52:15Speaker 03

  And reading the Septuagint or the New Testament, which is an extension of the Septuagint in terms of its language.

• 52:20Danny Jones?

  No, it's not.

• 52:22Speaker 03

  It was almost shocking. It was almost uncomfortable.

• 52:25Speaker 01

  No, he's making it up dude.

• 52:27Speaker 03

  For anyone coming from classical Greek or from Greek Greek to read the Septuagint because it's not, in some cases it even seems to be wrong.

• 52:36Danny Jones?

  That's what he says.

• 52:38Speaker 03

  Some of the terms that it's using that don't make sense in Greek, but when you know the Hebrew term behind it.

• 52:44Speaker 01

  Give me a, really? Give me an example dude.

• 52:49Speaker 03

  So it's Hebrew, it's really, very much, a lot of people listening to this know about Yiddish. So Yiddish is Jewish German, right?

• 52:57Danny Jones?

  Jewish German is Yiddish.

• 52:58Speaker 01

  What is that from?

• 52:59Danny Jones?

  Hold on, hold on, let's finish it. I didn't even know that.

• 53:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, so, okay. So Yiddish is Jewish German. And it's based on German language, but it has a lot of words in Hebrew, also kind of sprinkled in. And that's the same thing with the Greek of the Septuagint. It's not, so, for Ptolemy or anyone to commission a work that would be written in a Jewish Greek, not in Greek Greek, makes little sense.

• 53:28Danny Jones?

  Yeah, why would you create some new Jewish Greek? Why wouldn't you just make it into real Greek?

• 53:32Speaker 03

  Right, so that was probably the Greek that was spoken by the Jews of Alexandria.

• 53:36Speaker 01

  Probably.

• 53:37Speaker 03

  It was written for them. It was not, so that's the language that the Greek that they had for their own.

• 53:44Danny Jones?

  Alright, that's good Steve.

• 53:45Speaker 01

  Give me a source.

• 53:46Danny Jones?

  What is he saying? What is?

• 53:47Speaker 01

  It's bullshit. That was bullshit.

• 53:49Danny Jones?

  Can you, can you for a second, try to elucidate or clarify his position and what he's saying? For people that are listening to this and they're confused as [__] right now.

• 54:01Speaker 01

  His position is flim flam.

• 54:03Danny Jones?

  Can you clarify his position?

• 54:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's flim flam. There is no Jewish Greek. Just like there's no Italian Greek, there's no, there's no Turkish Greek.

• 54:12Danny Jones?

  But why is he, why is he saying that the Septuagint is Jewish Greek? What, how is it different?

• 54:16Speaker 01

  I don't know, because he's trying to, he's trying to pull the authority, right? He's trying to say, "You really can't read this text because it's not Greek, it's something else." Oh no, it's, it's beautiful.

• 54:29Danny Jones?

  But it is Greek.

• 54:30Speaker 01

  It's beautiful Hellenistic Greek, and I would put it at the level, you know, compared to people like Kalamaitas, it's hard because he's so elevated, right? The prophets, the prophetic writings that are there, remember, prophetes is a Greek term, right? The prophets that are there. They're reaching a, I'd say a mid-level five or six. I give it a five or six. So it's not up to the standard of the museum.

• 55:00Danny Jones?

  It's not up to the standard. So we were talking before we started about the koiné Greek. Koiné Greek is like McDonald's hamburger Greek. And then you have Aristotle, which is like a wagyu fillet, or like a tomahawk ribeye, like a prime rib.

• 55:15Speaker 01

  I would put Aristotle, just I wouldn't put him at the top.

• 55:20Danny Jones?

  So where on that range, on that scale, is the Septuagint Greek?

• 55:24Speaker 01

  About a five. It's somewhere in the

• 55:26Danny Jones?

  About halfway?

• 55:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:27Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 55:29Speaker 01

  It's very stylistically, it's, you know, I'd put it a good five, 5.5 or six. You know, she's not going to the Olympics or anything, right? But there is considerable, there is considerable drift from Alexandria lexically. The meanings of the words are like penetrating. Getting out there, right? That's why we're talking about Uranus and Gaia. So you can see that influence from Alexandria. And that gentleman just said that this is, there's a Greek and there's some other kind of Greek.

• 56:08Danny Jones?

  Jewish Greek.

• 56:09Speaker 01

  It does not exist. It does not exist. If you want the

• 56:16Danny Jones?

  You don't learn about Jewish Greek in classical programs?

• 56:21Speaker 01

  It sounds so funny. No, why would you get, yeah, why would you get Jewish people writing things than in Greek if they had this other language that this whole book was made up of? There, no, it's very, it's gorgeous. It's gorgeous.

• 56:43Danny Jones?

  I have a question.

• 56:44Speaker 01

  Classical Greek. Yeah, Steve.

• 56:46Danny Jones?

  Okay, so

• 56:48Speaker 02

  We can, we can kind of apply that to today, right? So a great analogy would be like English, English is English, right? But then you have American English and UK English, right? We don't really differentiate that, but there is a difference, especially in the written words like color. C O L O U R versus America's C O L O R.

• 57:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:10Speaker 02

  They, they put a lot of O U's in there. For instance, aluminum is our word, but aluminium.

• 57:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 57:16Speaker 02

  So.

• 57:17Speaker 01

  It's not quite, wait, you're halfway there with that because that's dialectical differences, right?

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• 59:44Speaker 01

  That's one level of how language can change or evolve, right? It's through dialects. I'm talking at a deeper level with the lexical capacity of the language. What is the language able to describe? And the the difference between Koiné Greek and some kind of gorgeous attic steak. Like Aeschylus is a drop in its lexical.

• 1:00:23Speaker 01

  Complexity, right? It's a complete, it's a, it's a dumbing down. Koiné is a dumbing down process and Koiné can happen across dialects. Think of it that way. It can, it's a, it's a like a virus, dude. Once you've been affected with Koiné, you're in trouble. And the Greeks try to revive their own standards back up to fifth century Athens. Cause that's when Greek is at its most, definitely is most elegant.

• 1:00:55Danny Jones?

  Fifth century.

• 1:00:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. When all that democracy stuff is going on and all the tragedy and comedy and all that kind of stuff. All the civilization is happening. It's when they're developing that I, this all started because I said, I wouldn't put Aristotle. I wouldn't put Aristotle at the top, right? Cause there's the, you know, there's Aeschylus. I put him at the top and he's using this old Dorian chorus. And it's like, God, it's like.

• 1:01:25Speaker 01

  It's a beating heart of civilization. And once you penetrate that monist film that obstructs your vision and you reach that reality that we actually had in history, that's why I tell people, you don't know history, you don't get it. You can ask a Christian today, and I intend to do this to anybody, Danny, that comes to us, to tell me what the Christ is. I already know what they're gonna say, and I already know how to bat it down.

• 1:02:01Speaker 01

  And I suppose I could get a couple of New Testament scholars in here, and I could stand on this table and provide you the seed and the blood that you need by bombarding them with text after text after text of Christing and turning people into sex fiends. Oh, God, satyrs with the [BLEEP] in their medical treatments. Do you understand?

• 1:02:36Danny Jones?

  So, Koina Greek, the Septuagint was not Koina Greek?

• 1:02:39Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:02:40Danny Jones?

  No.

• 1:02:42Speaker 01

  It's in an intermediate period when stuff begins to degenerate, right? Right? But, no, it's very much got the Hellenist- it's still got a little bit of a twinge of the Hellenistic intellectual stuff that was coming out of the museum in Alexandria, the library, and all those great artists, you know, essentially, Danny, that's another point for the paper. Look, people, the problem is, you're not ruled by musicians, right? People aren't ruled by musicians, and that's the problem. And people don't recognize either. This is a sign-

• 1:03:26Danny Jones?

  I don't drink from Ganymede's rectum. That's why I'm not in charge.

• 1:03:29Speaker 01

  No, but the musicians were-

• 1:03:31Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:03:32Speaker 01

  Right? And they can drink from Ganymede's rectum.

• 1:03:38Speaker 01

  And you, motherfucker,

• 1:03:44Speaker 01

  is the word in Greek, um, metrokoietes. The society that's coming up with things like democracy and scientific method, that society that's getting so advanced, um, they're founded by rock and roll people.

• 1:04:03Speaker 01

  Right? They're founded on the backs of lyre players, men and women. And for those of you don't know that, check it out. You're gonna find a whole lot, a whole lot of guitar playing people. And they, um, this is the first time we see metrokoietes with this group. Um, and that is motherfucker. That's how it's translated. I've seen a translation with that. And why? Who would give us such a thing? It's iambic poets who give us such a thing. What is iambic poetry? It is that poetry that's satanic vein, that is sent to wake you up.

• 1:04:46Speaker 01

  It's the gadflies. You wanna know what it means to be Christed? It means to be inspired, to be inspired by a drug, a drug with a gospel. A gospel that leads us to salvation.

• 1:05:05Speaker 01

  And that's all in the text. You've got it all in text. I, I don't know why the monks try to cover it up, but they do. They come in. And just like you said, something happened in antiquity. It's that film of the Christianity.

• 1:05:21Danny Jones?

  That's what you're doing. You're inspiring a new generation of time travelers to go back and excavate the truth of antiquity and what was going on, the mysteries, the drugs, the sex, the pharmacon, everything.

• 1:05:36Speaker 01

  Everything.

• 1:05:36Danny Jones?

  They were roaming around. There were no cultural sanctions on these people.

• 1:05:41Speaker 01

  Nope.

• 1:05:43Danny Jones?

  Until?

• 1:05:44Speaker 01

  Until the Christians come along and make laws, right? In order to manipulate and to control and seize estates. Libanius tells us this, says those goddamn Christians, they've broken onto the estate and they're claiming we're violating laws by burning this incense.

• 1:06:07Speaker 01

  We've got to get rid of it because fumigation is a big deal. That's how you get, that's how you get a group of people high.

• 1:06:13Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm. They would, they would walk through the town.

• 1:06:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:17Danny Jones?

  And burn.

• 1:06:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:18Danny Jones?

  Weed, marijuana.

• 1:06:19Speaker 01

  Madea did. Yeah, that was one of the things she used. Yep. And just fumigate. You just fill the air, right? And what does that do? It, it cleans people, they would say. You clean, clean this person up, but do goddamn emotional.

• 1:06:36Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:06:38Speaker 01

  You can purge your population that way. I'm sure the CIA should already be a step ahead of us on this, right?

• 1:06:46Danny Jones?

  Of course they are.

• 1:06:47Speaker 01

  Using drugs to control a population is a very ancient practice. Only the best culture does it.

• 1:06:57Danny Jones?

  When you say they use the, the fumigation to purge the population, what do you mean by that specifically? Like, how, like, how do you purge them? How does that purge them?

• 1:07:06Speaker 01

  You purge them of the naughtiness.

• 1:07:09Danny Jones?

  You purge them of the naughtiness?

• 1:07:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:11Danny Jones?

  Or you mean you're purging them psychologically is what you're saying?

• 1:07:14Speaker 01

  Imagine if I took you and Steve and 12 of your best friends up into the mountains and I drugged you all. And I gave you drugs that induced a, a 24/7 erection that can last for seven days before you're keel over dead.

• 1:07:36Speaker 01

  Which, by the way, that's when you get your tattoos that we were talking about, motherfucker. That's when you get them. Do you understand? You know, the guys in the cult, if he can pull it out and it's full, full attention, it reads something, right? A message that disappears. Do you understand? Yeah. It's not a joke. It's not a joke at all. That's where the language is taking us. And it's gorgeous, man. The real history is actually more beautiful than the fairy tale. Let me give you an example. You think of religious writings. You think, oh, God, they're so wonderful.

• 1:08:19Speaker 01

  Let me give you a religious writing, a modest one that will crack open your head. Are you ready? This is from the Talmud.

• 1:08:28Speaker 01

  The Talmud says.

• 1:08:29Danny Jones?

  Oh, God.

• 1:08:40Danny Jones?

  Why were the Jews not Christians?

• 1:08:44Speaker 01

  Why were the Jews not Christians?

• 1:08:46Danny Jones?

  Does that make sense? Why didn't the Jew, why weren't the Jews Christians? If, if Christianity revolves around this figure who died on the cross, who was Jewish?

• 1:08:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:58Danny Jones?

  What's going on there?

• 1:08:59Speaker 01

  Cause the gangsters, he ran afoul of the gangsters. He wasn't the main hot shot. He's the guy kicking over the tables in the temple where they're doing this to the children. Mary with her fingers in the temple or purple fingers in the temple feeding from the angels. Everybody knows that. Like, what did you think? In antiquity, they thought that there were angels people. You thought they're, oh, fly. What the, what do you, oh my God, you're, uh, modern culture. Why the hell are we so stupid? Why the hell are we so, why do we buy the fairy tales so quickly? Here's the one about Jesus is a-

• 1:09:37Danny Jones?

  So Jesus was, he was like, he was an exotic figure? Who was Hellenistic?

• 1:09:50Danny Jones?

  But based on Dionysus, is that right? He was ba, his story is based on the story of Dionysus?

• 1:09:56Speaker 01

  No, you've been fingered by an academic.

• 1:09:59Danny Jones?

  That was Karl Ruck who said that.

• 1:10:01Speaker 01

  No!

• 1:10:02Danny Jones?

  It was, I listened to it this morning.

• 1:10:03Speaker 01

  It doesn't matter, you've still been fingered. What do we have to, I, I cannot go to any interpretation. I have to stick with those texts. What do those texts say? We know he's, it's the dude who's Christing.

• 1:10:20Danny Jones?

  So Jesus had nothing to do with Dionysus? There's no, there's no connection there?

• 1:10:24Speaker 01

  No, Jesus had a lot to do with Dionysus because he is performing a mystery. He is involved in baptism. Who the, who the hell gets involved in baptism in antiquity? Right? It's religious extremists who are going through mysteries. But when I say extremists, you can go through the, the big one in Athens, like any, everybody who's anybody does. Right? And you can be born again. Right? So, but it is what we would call, what most of us would call a religious extreme. Of what's going on in the religion. But people don't realize baptism is a drug term. Baptism is a drug term.

• 1:11:08Speaker 01

  Oh, God. Bombard. I need to bombard scholars with all of the medical-

• 1:11:15Danny Jones?

  And Ruck, who you you hold in high regard.

• 1:11:20Speaker 01

  Admire, admire for the world that man is such a seasoned classicist.

• 1:11:26Danny Jones?

  Who was one of the first classical scholars to talk about the use of drugs-

• 1:11:32Speaker 01

  Yes, sir.

• 1:11:32Danny Jones?

  In his book about Eleusis.

• 1:11:34Speaker 01

  He held the breach when nobody else would.

• 1:11:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:37Danny Jones?

  And he doesn't believe that Jesus was a historical figure.

• 1:11:41Speaker 01

  Yes, that's correct.

• 1:11:43Danny Jones?

  What do you think about that?

• 1:11:45Speaker 01

  I think it's a cop out. I think it's a cop out because he knows something. Doctor Carl Ruck knows something.

• 1:11:54Danny Jones?

  He's a mythicist by definition.

• 1:11:56Speaker 01

  What the hell is that? He's a human being. He's a-

• 1:11:59Danny Jones?

  He's a human being, but a mythicist are people that don't believe Christ ever existed.

• 1:12:02Speaker 01

  Yes, no, he's not a mythicist. Bullshit. He's a super, he's a superhero. And when he's out in public, he draws people to him and his goodness. And his goodness, even dogs, dogs love to hump him. Ask him, he won't admit to it. This is why he won't come on Lady Babylon because I'll force him. Right? He knows, he knows. It's okay. Copulating turtles too. He and I watched two turtles.

• 1:12:32Danny Jones?

  Copulate?

• 1:12:33Speaker 01

  Copulate in Thrace. And then we went and drank some red senna.

• 1:12:37Danny Jones?

  Have you really seen Carl Ruck naked?

• 1:12:40Speaker 01

  Um, this is very true, very true. It was an accident. No, no, it was. I was prepping. I was prepping. I don't care because it's a positive story. I don't care. I'm going to tell you the true from just my experience. Um, I was, we were staying at the same place for a conference. And I was sitting there and going over my notes. And he had gotten a shower just then and he walked by and his towel. Accidentally, it was a total accident, you know, because I could tell by the way he reacted. But he had to bend over. He had to bend over and suddenly in my mind, I saw that bull horned altar.

• 1:13:24Speaker 01

  And I was like, oh my God, I get it. I get it. It's like a sin tower. Right? Right? It's those big ones. It's those big ones. It was like glory. It was like, I was like, okay, Priapus is right there.

• 1:13:41Danny Jones?

  He's got a pet iguana living in his shorts.

• 1:13:44Speaker 01

  No, he's, uh, no, it's, I wouldn't say that. I wouldn't say that. It's just, he's ample and he's a great, great ample man, just full of talent and incredible kindness and tenderness. Are you getting Carl saying, Thomas, stop? No, no.

• 1:14:03Danny Jones?

  I know, I turned it upside down.

• 1:14:04Speaker 01

  It's the unbenefit of not being alive. Oh my God, I think I confused the double negatives. Um, uh, you know, he stood in the breach when nobody, when people said, people used to tell Karl Ruck, oh, you're talking about drugs and you must have a, you know, drug agenda and, you know, it was scary, man. Dude could lose his job for that kind of thing. And he held the, he held the line because he loves the text and he's, that's where he's truly strong.

• 1:14:33Danny Jones?

  And he, I think he believes that the reason that he got smeared the way he did by his university was because the, when he was coming out with this stuff was the same time as the psychedelic Renaissance, right?

• 1:14:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:47Danny Jones?

  And they, the academics didn't want to prop up any of this hippie bullshit. They thought that we don't want, we don't want our ancestors and the ancient Greeks to be these hippies that we see today protesting the Vietnam War. Like, they weren't the same. They wouldn't have done such a thing.

• 1:15:09Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's the same resistance and he wasn't, he wasn't interested in what their ideas were. He was interested in what those texts said. And he knew it. He had read all that stuff. He'd seen the ecstatic stuff. He coined the word "anthiagen." Right? That's Greek, baby. He knows what he's doing. Exactly. So I think it's a little bit of an excuse knowing that Jesus is around all this drug activity.

• 1:15:37Danny Jones?

  So you think it's a cop out that he thinks, that he says Jesus was not a real person?

• 1:15:42Speaker 01

  Uh, no.

• 1:15:43Danny Jones?

  It's a story. He thinks it was a story.

• 1:15:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. No, I, I think he's, I don't think he even thinks it's a story. I wouldn't, I wouldn't dare to think what's in that genius mind of his.

• 1:15:55Speaker 01

  But I know this, um, he's got to, he's got to stay with the text. And it doesn't matter whether Jesus was real or not. If the texts are saying that Jesus was arrested in a public park with a naked kid and screaming, "I am not a child," right? I am not a child. Linguistically, he can go there. And I think he should. And he doesn't have to say whether, if he wants to believe Jesus is fake or real is irrelevant, right? He knows that. He's a philologist. He knows that.

• 1:16:37Speaker 01

  So I challenge you, my great master and Lord, Carl Ruck, please, please say something about Jesus and the naked boy and the drugs that they're using. Please say something about a Christ. Tell us, you know, you rip a dees.

• 1:16:52Danny Jones?

  He said-

• 1:16:53Speaker 01

  You know it's a sex drug.

• 1:16:54Danny Jones?

  Another thing people like to say is that he wasn't a boy. He was a young man.

• 1:17:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, a young man.

• 1:17:03Danny Jones?

  But I don't see the big deal. I don't see the big difference there.

• 1:17:05Speaker 01

  The difference is the diminutive. It's not a neoneus. A young man is a neoneus.

• 1:17:12Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:17:13Speaker 01

  A neoniscus, that iscus suffix is a diminutive.

• 1:17:18Danny Jones?

  Meaning he's owned.

• 1:17:20Speaker 01

  No, you take, no, you take the thing and you make it smaller.

• 1:17:27Danny Jones?

  Ah.

• 1:17:28Speaker 01

  You make it younger.

• 1:17:30Danny Jones?

  A little-

• 1:17:31Speaker 01

  My little piediscus.

• 1:17:32Danny Jones?

  Little man.

• 1:17:33Speaker 01

  My little piediscus is your little girl.

• 1:17:36Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:17:36Speaker 01

  Right?

• 1:17:37Danny Jones?

  Right. What, um, where should we take the time machine next?

• 1:17:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:42Danny Jones?

  Also, Steve, do you want to turn the lights on or is this good enough lighting for-

• 1:17:46Speaker 02

  I mean, let's stick with what we got.

• 1:17:49Speaker 01

  Okay. Let's do it then. I'm gonna tell you. What am I gonna tell you? I'm looking at the word. I'm looking at a word for have. ...to somebody sexually, and who's it referring to? It's referring to Jesus in the little bits of Questions of Mary. Questions of Mary on the mountain. Yeah, yeah, and it says that he wants her to receive his seed to be eaten. To be eaten, and the beautiful thing about it is, he's, look, because she's hesitant, he says, "Look, you just don't get things that are epi urania, right? They're epuranian."

• 1:18:32Speaker 01

  And if you don't know what that is, that's a Greek word. For? Right? For that which is, um, translated now is heavenly, but it is things that are based in urania. Let me tell you who urania is. She is the one that you see when you look up. She is the queen of the Sivian band that uses the arrow poison to give them the inspiration to play the liars. She's the huntress who is the soetera.

• 1:19:14Speaker 01

  She is the earliest savior. And her mystery is the mystery that ultimately forms Christianity. And that mystery is what Jesus is reflecting here and saying, "Hey, you gotta eat it." Or, "You're not gonna have salvation, lady." And he's like, "Don't you, you don't believe me because you can't think on things that are epurania, lady? Who's urania? She's Aphrodite, you sexy beast." What do you think Mary Magdalene was for? You need a vagina because there are purple flowers in the world, people. They're...

• 1:19:55Speaker 01

  Purple flowers?

• 1:19:58Speaker 01

  Oh, by the way, the apostles didn't want to do it.

• 1:20:03Danny Jones?

  They didn't want to eat his, uh?

• 1:20:05Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:20:06Danny Jones?

  Why?

• 1:20:06Speaker 01

  And they said, it's his ishra, it's his, it's, um, they acknowledged openly, he wants us to eat directly his seed, his semen.

• 1:20:16Danny Jones?

  Why? And?

• 1:20:17Speaker 01

  I don't know. If you were a kid, would you want to eat?

• 1:20:19Danny Jones?

  No. But what, was there any, was it, he obviously wasn't an antidote because he wasn't a eunuch, right?

• 1:20:25Speaker 01

  It was gonna save you. It was gonna give you.

• 1:20:29Danny Jones?

  What was the pharmacological?

• 1:20:30Speaker 01

  Ironic vision.

• 1:20:31Danny Jones?

  How though?

• 1:20:33Speaker 01

  Whatever's in his semen, baby.

• 1:20:34Danny Jones?

  What, what do you think was in his?

• 1:20:36Speaker 01

  I don't know. I don't want to find out.

• 1:20:38Danny Jones?

  Neither do I.

• 1:20:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, no. Fuck that, man. Bring these guys to justice, you know?

• 1:20:44Danny Jones?

  How could he have any sort of chemicals in his semen that would give you, that would get you high?

• 1:20:50Speaker 01

  Cause they're using the body to process drugs.

• 1:20:53Danny Jones?

  Yeah, but he didn't, he wasn't a boy though. You said the boys were doing that. They had to be young so that they could, they could create the antibodies to be the Antichrist.

• 1:21:02Speaker 01

  When he's with Mary, he wants her to eat his semen. And he uses very specific terms like fellatio. It's through the fellatio that he's getting.

• 1:21:17Speaker 01

  You could be negative.

• 1:21:21Speaker 01

  You know?

• 1:21:22Danny Jones?

  I mean, just say you want to blow, you don't have to pretend like your life is the Da Vinci Code. Just ask her for a blowie.

• 1:21:28Speaker 01

  I think that's why the apostles were like, no, I think that's why they were passing. You gotta think though.

• 1:21:34Danny Jones?

  He's a cult leader.

• 1:21:35Speaker 01

  He said, that's why you don't understand heavenly things. I'm sorry.

• 1:21:38Danny Jones?

  Leader. He's trying to, the guy just wants sex and drugs and he's trying to paint this mythical, this, this cosmic godlike connection that he thinks he has to make people follow him so he can get more sex and drugs.

• 1:21:53Speaker 01

  He got baptized, baby. He got baptized by John. He was with the devil for 40 days, brother.

• 1:22:03Speaker 01

  Do you know what I mean?

• 1:22:05Danny Jones?

  No.

• 1:22:05Speaker 01

  You don't know because we haven't been initiated.

• 1:22:08Danny Jones?

  I can't, I have a hard time sometimes parsing through the poetry.

• 1:22:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:13Danny Jones?

  And the sort and what you're actually trying to say.

• 1:22:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, he went to the devil. Yeah, he was baptized and he went into the void.

• 1:22:19Danny Jones?

  Oh yeah, so he got, he did drugs.

• 1:22:21Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:22:21Danny Jones?

  He performed a ritual, a mystery.

• 1:22:23Speaker 01

  When he did the baptism, he saw Uranus open. Alright, what do you see when you see Uranus open?

• 1:22:33Danny Jones?

  He met the devil.

• 1:22:34Speaker 01

  Your epi-Urania.

• 1:22:36Danny Jones?

  So he got high.

• 1:22:37Speaker 01

  Epianian.

• 1:22:39Danny Jones?

  He got high and he met the devil.

• 1:22:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, it says that.

• 1:22:42Danny Jones?

  Which still happens today.

• 1:22:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:44Danny Jones?

  People that you hear people talking about all the time, I got too high, I met the, I saw the fucking devil.

• 1:22:47Speaker 01

  Do you get blowed up when you get high and meet the devil?

• 1:22:51Danny Jones?

  I wish.

• 1:22:52Speaker 01

  You're probably.

• 1:22:52Danny Jones?

  Once or twice.

• 1:22:53Speaker 01

  Probably a cult leader if you did. Wait, seriously Danny? Shame on you.

• 1:22:59Danny Jones?

  Not when I'm, not when I'm in the depths of hell.

• 1:23:01Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:23:01Danny Jones?

  But maybe when I'm coming out of hell or before I'm descending down into hell. I've participated in the rituals, but.

• 1:23:07Speaker 01

  No, you gotta, you gotta suck those teats, man, or it's gonna kill you. That's why he's walking around telling, you know, Jesus encouraged people to use drugs.

• 1:23:18Speaker 01

  And I say that and people are like, no, absolutely not. He encouraged people to use drugs. Where did he encourage them? He said, look, you're gonna hold up snakes. You're gonna drink this thonosimo and this death inducer, which is a cult compound. Nero's got the friggin formula for it. Do you understand? This is a big deal in antiquity.

• 1:23:42Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:23:43Speaker 01

  And he's involved in this stuff. Jesus Christ is involved in this stuff. He's even got the poison garments, right? He does, he does what those who were Christed do. He casts out demons.

• 1:23:59Danny Jones?

  So you also said, uh, on the first podcast, you mentioned that when Jesus was caught in the park, he was high as fuck.

• 1:24:08Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:24:09Danny Jones?

  He was tripping balls.

• 1:24:10Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 1:24:11Danny Jones?

  He got cops captured him.

• 1:24:13Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:24:13Danny Jones?

  And he was crucified eight hours later.

• 1:24:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:16Danny Jones?

  He was captured at four, crucified.

• 1:24:17Speaker 01

  I don't know if it was a full eight. I don't know if it was a full eight hours, but by like three o'clock, he's dead.

• 1:24:22Danny Jones?

  Three o'clock.

• 1:24:23Speaker 01

  So I think it's noon, he starts getting crucified.

• 1:24:26Danny Jones?

  He died early.

• 1:24:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:27Danny Jones?

  Right?

• 1:24:27Speaker 01

  He died prematurely.

• 1:24:28Danny Jones?

  And they offer, and he screamed, he was screaming out, some people say he was singing.

• 1:24:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:35Danny Jones?

  And, and somebody offered him, his followers were trying to give him a sponge or something full of vinegar.

• 1:24:41Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 1:24:42Danny Jones?

  And you say that Nonus wrote about that vinegar being an antidote to the horned African viper.

• 1:24:50Speaker 01

  He says it's an antidote, so he uses the Greek word antidote for the deep sass, which is identified as the North African horned viper.

• 1:25:03Danny Jones?

  Okay, let's put a pin right there.

• 1:25:04Speaker 01

  Because of its symptom that it causes, that is extreme thirst.

• 1:25:10Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:25:11Speaker 01

  When he's on the cross, he's screaming, "I am thirsty." And there is a document, the reason that Nonus is telling us this is the Geoponicus also shows that the word that you and I are translating vinegar is the word for the antidote, commonly for the specific snake venom that is used in their religious rites. Jesus is pushing those very same drugs in the Gospel of Mark.

• 1:25:43Danny Jones?

  When, okay, when was Nonus? Who was Nonus?

• 1:25:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, fifth.

• 1:25:48Danny Jones?

  Fifth, on Odomony?

• 1:25:50Speaker 01

  AD, and he is, he is a, an author of a work called The Paraphrase of John. And he is also, he's an expert grammarian. We don't have these anymore, but they're called grammaticoi. And he was able to reproduce this ancient form of Homeric didactic hexameter. He's able to bring it down, because it's the cult language, he brought it down to the fifth, fifth into the sixth, and um.

• 1:26:25Danny Jones?

  And he quite literally wrote.

• 1:26:29Danny Jones?

  About that vinegar being the specific word for the antidote for the viper venom.

• 1:26:33Speaker 01

  He actually wrote, you can look it up, it's in a work called the paraphrase of the Gospel of John.

• 1:26:42Danny Jones?

  The paraphrase of the Gospel.

• 1:26:43Speaker 01

  Where he goes through the whole Gospel of John and he explains to you what's going on. He writes it in his, in his own beautiful, like lofty.

• 1:26:56Danny Jones?

  Greek?

• 1:26:57Speaker 01

  Greek. It's not Attic Greek. It's, it's Homeric. And the fact that he could master their vocabulary on top of his own is, is quite dramatic.

• 1:27:06Danny Jones?

  In the 5th century.

• 1:27:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's doing this late. But he says it's an antidote. Which the Geoponica, which is a Byzantine farming manual, it actually, it actually has the recipe for it. And it, it says the vinegar and then gives the, it treats the dipses and blah, blah, blah. So I'm not making that up. It's in there and.

• 1:27:27Danny Jones?

  So is anybody else who's read that? I imagine Ruck has read that, right? He's read Nonus?

• 1:27:33Speaker 01

  Why would he have heard the Geoponica?

• 1:27:35Danny Jones?

  I don't know.

• 1:27:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:37Danny Jones?

  Is that not a common thing for a classicist to read?

• 1:27:40Speaker 01

  No, totally.

• 1:27:41Danny Jones?

  Where did you find it?

• 1:27:43Speaker 01

  Dr. John Scarborough put me onto it. He said, hey, get this Byzantine tags. I was like, what's that? He's like, it's full of drugs. I was like, good. So yeah. And it has the whole explanation of what the vinegar is and what it does. So when Jesus is up there going, oh, I'm so thirsty, right?

• 1:28:05Danny Jones?

  But so, you read him, he was reading, he was translating John's Gospel. And the way John wrote was not complex. It was very primitive, right?

• 1:28:16Speaker 01

  No, no, no.

• 1:28:17Danny Jones?

  And what, and John wrote it in what language?

• 1:28:20Speaker 01

  Greek.

• 1:28:20Danny Jones?

  In Greek.

• 1:28:21Speaker 01

  It's Greek.

• 1:28:22Danny Jones?

  Was Nonus's Greek better than John's?

• 1:28:25Speaker 01

  Nonus's Greek was a.

• 1:28:27Danny Jones?

  More detailed?

• 1:28:29Speaker 01

  Think of it as if it's two guitarists. It's somebody who's a master, who's a master of guitar.

• 1:28:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, compared to somebody who is, you know, proficient and able to perform in bars, but is never going to take a stage of a group and infatuate a thousand, a hundred thousand people because of their level of artistic, you know, gain. That's, that's what you're dealing with. You're dealing with somebody who's, you know, and you get that, there's all sorts of different sorts. Some of them, look, I'm sorry, you read the Aristotle, it makes you feel stupid, right?

• 1:29:12Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:12Speaker 01

  Okay, you're not as smart as Aristotle. I'm not. I don't think anybody else around us is, to be quite honest. So you see that reflected in the, the language gives them that sword, that sharp sword to be able to use, you know, uh, yeah, yeah, to be able to bring you something, some kind of ecstasy, right? Why are we so far behind? Why are we just hearing about emperors on drugs? Why are we just hearing about the sex industry? The kink in antiquity? You know what I can do? Give me, this is what the word is, mother

• 1:29:53Speaker 01

  f***er, give me, give me a eunuch. What do you do with eunuchs? You don't even know, you don't even know.

• 1:29:59Danny Jones?

  You sell them, you trade them.

• 1:30:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:30:02Danny Jones?

  You can, you can get the antidote with them.

• 1:30:04Speaker 01

  If you buy some, if you and I go out tonight with Steve and we're like, let's get two eunuchs. Okay? What are we gonna do with those eunuchs?

• 1:30:18Danny Jones?

  You tell me.

• 1:30:19Speaker 01

  No, what do you want to do? I don't know.

• 1:30:21Danny Jones?

  I don't want two eunuchs.

• 1:30:22Speaker 01

  It was your idea. If you're gonna do this and we commit, I don't want to be there and you're like, oh.

• 1:30:29Danny Jones?

  I'm not committing to two eunuchs. I'm not gonna do that. I don't need the eunuchs. I don't need an antidote.

• 1:30:34Speaker 01

  But let's say that. Let's just say it's the world, just a thought experiment.

• 1:30:39Danny Jones?

  Okay, okay. A thought experiment, okay.

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• 1:31:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, two eunuchs.

• 1:31:41Danny Jones?

  I hope somebody clips this out of context.

• 1:31:43Speaker 01

  We're gonna bring these two eunuchs back here.

• 1:31:48Speaker 01

  And I have some things I wanna do with them. Right? What would you like to? Just as a, you know, we're producers, we're gonna bring this thing forward. Right? Now you know why performing the mysteries was highly illegal.

• 1:32:03Speaker 01

  Right? It's only the priesthood that's allowed to do this. Right? That's why they protect it in Athens.

• 1:32:09Danny Jones?

  You just couldn't, you couldn't do it recreationally.

• 1:32:11Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:32:11Danny Jones?

  You couldn't perform a mystery at your house.

• 1:32:12Speaker 01

  Cause it turns into a, it turns into a child's ring.

• 1:32:19Speaker 01

  You remember, you're protecting oracles, baby. You have to have a priesthood that puts up a legal shield.

• 1:32:26Danny Jones?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:32:27Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:32:28Danny Jones?

  So tell me why we need the eunuchs.

• 1:32:30Speaker 01

  Oh, okay. Well, what can you do with the eunuch?

• 1:32:33Danny Jones?

  They can extract their bodily fluids.

• 1:32:35Speaker 01

  Some of them, you can. Some of them, but before, you don't just jump in to extracting body fluids. My god, man. Romance this thing.

• 1:32:47Danny Jones?

  Sorry.

• 1:32:48Speaker 01

  We can take off their testicles. The first thing that we do, you grab that.

• 1:32:52Danny Jones?

  They're not, they're already eunuch.

• 1:32:53Speaker 01

  Eight. Well, that's part of the fun.

• 1:32:56Danny Jones?

  Oh, okay, okay.

• 1:32:58Speaker 01

  Okay, get beyond the castration. Fine, so we castrate our eunuchs and then their body becomes a vessel of nectar. And there are ways. You can give people drugs and have them produce certain substances that can then be harvested from the person, right? Drugs straight out, straight out, right? And the eunuch, you can collect from that eunuch his milk, right? I don't say it looks like milk. They don't. They describe it and it's cirrus, just like that girl with the grape-sized breasts that Galen talks about and the cirrus

• 1:33:39Speaker 01

  exudate that comes out of her breasts that they're using, right? That's the kind of stuff that I'm talking about. They're talking about transforming. Can you capacitate? Look, I have this down here. Right after Jesus is a, I was gonna talk about, can you capacitate somebody with drugs? You've got to remember the societies that we're talking about will also base what they're doing on the idea that you can use drugs to take yourself to a better state. Your mind, your soul, everything. So, the drug is very much the mustadion,

• 1:34:23Speaker 01

  is very much the mystery, so much so that Galen says, hey, you realize so and so has his mustadion and it's called blank, right? So, the word mystery itself becomes a drug term. So, I don't, I think that's the only thing I can add to Dr. Ruck, standing in the breach with his giant, with his giant tools of doom and his fingers and, and his fingers and his linguistic, his brain, and his heart. He's a good man. Yeah.

• 1:34:55Danny Jones?

  What about Nero's death inducers?

• 1:34:59Speaker 01

  They're paired with the theriak.

• 1:35:03Danny Jones?

  When was Nero?

• 1:35:04Speaker 01

  First century, middle of the first century.

• 1:35:08Danny Jones?

  Middle of the first and what was his position? Who was he?

• 1:35:11Speaker 01

  He was emperor and he was a little bit, you know, he did some strange things. He got the power and he was like, dude, I am totally taking it out on everybody. Everybody, everybody was gonna pay. You know what I mean? And he married a little boy, by the way.

• 1:35:30Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:35:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was whole thing. I'm sure you looked that up, but his arch physician, his arch physician had a theriak combo. That has the drug that is the death inducer, the thanasimon, paired with the galan, it's antidote and he's got the whole recipe.

• 1:35:48Danny Jones?

  Is it similar to the theriak, to Galen's theriak?

• 1:35:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, it is Galen. It's not, it's not Galen's theory. It's one of the theriaks that Galen talks about, because there's a whole bunch of them. It's not the one that he's got Marcus Aurelius on.

• 1:36:01Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:36:02Speaker 01

  And that one's making, people are gonna research this now. I heard this is making a little bit of headway. Right? Because people just read the document that talks about Marcus Aurelius and the theriak that he was taking, the drug combo.

• 1:36:16Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:16Speaker 01

  That he was taking. Right? And it's written there in Galen and Galen's talking about he's doing a lot better on it. So, people are gonna read that.

• 1:36:25Danny Jones?

  He's looking better.

• 1:36:25Speaker 01

  Yes! Regenerative.

• 1:36:30Speaker 01

  Love it.

• 1:36:31Danny Jones?

  Because Marcus Aurelius was on the dope.

• 1:36:34Speaker 01

  He was a hop head. Yeah, a hop head. Doing his opium and people.

• 1:36:40Danny Jones?

  Now, the theriak had like a bunch of different viper venoms, viper flesh, had opium.

• 1:36:47Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:36:48Danny Jones?

  All kinds of animal and plant products.

• 1:36:50Speaker 01

  Right, and terrible stuff.

• 1:36:52Danny Jones?

  And it was supposed to be like a panacea, right?

• 1:36:54Speaker 01

  Yes. But most importantly, people think, oh, the theriak is a drug that you take that makes you invincible, excuse me, makes you invincible, gives you that ultimate health, gives you that fountain of life. No, no, no, no. It's not. The theriak is one half of one circle. And the other half of the circle is the death bringer.

• 1:37:19Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:37:20Speaker 01

  And together, together they work to open up that portal to get you to the other side and back. So that's where the cult finds the knowledge, you know, know yourself. They got this stuff written all over the place, right?

• 1:37:39Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:40Speaker 01

  Yeah. Oh.

• 1:37:42Danny Jones?

  So what was so, what was so special about Nero's death inducers?

• 1:37:50Speaker 01

  You know, from Galen's perspective, what was special is the fact that the formula is written in this, you know, it's a dactylic hexameter again. So this thing is coming from a genuine source, right? You talk about, who are the sources that preceded these people? We're talking about people like Nakander, who's that priest? People need to be introduced to the ancient priest. They don't know him or her, right? And he or she, what are they known for above all else? They're guitar players, baby. They're guitar players. They're sexy, sexy guitar players. Um, and they are going to be able to retune you.

• 1:38:34Speaker 01

  They're gonna do it and they have rights to do it. Do you understand? They're going to make something of you. And when you come back from this experience, you will know yourself. So this is healing. This is healing, right? And the monist virus swarmed in and shut it down. That's the type of purging that you need. You need your people to purge or else you get tyranny.

• 1:39:00Danny Jones?

  Yes. Yeah. Do you think there's something about the human brain? That was something through evolution that wired the human brain to be dependent on a higher power? Something, something deep inside our brains, something, something ancient?

• 1:39:26Danny Jones?

  That has built this dependency on a higher power?

• 1:39:32Speaker 01

  I think definitely, I think definitely the proof is in the design. The proof is in the design. If you can go into the human body, this shocks me. As you can tell, this was part of my awakening when I was a graduate student in at Madison, and I was taking my microbiology courses. And I realized, oh my God, there are receptors for cannabis in your brain. It makes no sense. It's completely contrary. Unless you should be having cannabis,

• 1:40:13Speaker 01

  it makes no sense to have a receptor there for it. It makes no sense. And I realized in studying that inner part of the, that inner part of the system, it carries that fluid, that water of life that I talked about before, and sitting right there above that hypothalamus, just dreaming those chemicals, just dropping those chemicals in there, I realized there's something that's controlling. There's something in the culture that controls, and it's what Julie and I think the apostate said. That Christianity has a tendency, monoism has a tendency to put control. And those drugs are beyond the control. The Baccic, the true Baccic freedom is beyond.

• 1:40:55Danny Jones?

  Well, we are drugs. Human beings, animals, we're drugs. We're walking bags of drugs, of chemicals that are constantly fluctuating in their balance. We're never in a, we're never in a, one particular state. Our state is always going up and down like waves, like depending on what our cortisol level is, our hormonal levels, like it's, and, and, and every plant and animal and human being is a producer of DMT. We all have, everything has DMT in it. Everything. Our brains, our lungs. First of all, how do you make something illegal that is in everything?

• 1:41:32Speaker 01

  Right. Yeah. Right. It's, it seems like it should be ethically wrong. It's like making H2O illegal. You can't do that, dude. We're all based on it.

• 1:41:46Danny Jones?

  So your higher power is that muse. Your higher power is the muse.

• 1:41:52Speaker 01

  Definitely. Oh, I'm so glad. I want to know if I'm capable of receiving such an honor to say that. You know, the earliest temples, those, those Greeks with their gorgeous language, it was coming to a page, the temples that they built were temples to the muse beforehand. It took me, it took me a while until I saw in a cellular biology course, until I saw her write the story of what was going on with the dance of everything. I was like, oh, God. Right. And then I was like, hello. And I'd love it. You got to dance, baby. You got to dance. That's all there is to it. Well, why else are you living, Danny? Why are you here? Ryan, she's the one pushing you.

• 1:42:36Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? Well, I mean, seriously, feed me.

• 1:42:41Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Um, another thing I wanted to ask you about was Caligula.

• 1:42:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:46Danny Jones?

  Who's Caligula?

• 1:42:47Speaker 01

  Caligula was the guy who was supposedly was pretty good. He's an emperor first, early first, and he comes in, he does pretty good to start with, but next thing you know, he's got senators up on the table and he's sticking his hand up to his elbow in their anus. Yeah. Why would you do that? They say it's because he had a fever. I think that's an excuse. It's like the dude got COVID. Next thing you know, he's fisting senators.

• 1:43:19Danny Jones?

  Yeah. What was going on with that? He was sick for a long time?

• 1:43:23Speaker 01

  Yeah. Prolonged fever. Probably messed up his brain.

• 1:43:27Danny Jones?

  He didn't try the theriak?

• 1:43:29Speaker 01

  Apparently he didn't get enough of it or something because he, he took a dive and when he came back, he was, he was in the mood for fisting. Some people might say he did it on purpose. You know, Tiberius has little boys who are eunuchs. We were talking about eunuchs and what you can do with them. They can swim. I would like to go swimming. I would like to design. I am Tiberius. I am the emperor. I have an island. It's called Capri. And on that island, it's goats, get it? It's got, you know why? You can go to grottos on the island and there's nine to 13 year old boys. There's nine to 13 year old boys there. And the same age girls.

• 1:44:14Speaker 01

  Prepubescent, and they will do what it will take to heal you.

• 1:44:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, you may get killed in the process. You may get killed, or somebody may have to get thrown over the cliff. You know how they deal with people on the island? Yeah, what do you do when she gets pregnant? Because this is a big deal. He's got to staff this whole island. You're thinking Epstein, this is Epstein is backwards and tiny. And I compare to what Tiberius was doing. He supplies his island full of kids of all ages. It says that he has a penchant for the babies who have not yet stopped drinking from the breast. And the reason for this is because he's gonna take that baby and he's gonna put that baby on something.

• 1:45:11Speaker 01

  And he's gonna take that baby when he's done and throw it over the cliff.

• 1:45:16Danny Jones?

  Tiberius.

• 1:45:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. He has little kids, little eunuchs.

• 1:45:21Danny Jones?

  This is in what, the first?

• 1:45:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, first. This is when Jesus is alive, baby. This is who's ruling when Jesus is alive. That's why the kidnapping is such an important connection. When Jesus says, "I'm not a trying kids," he's trying to separate himself, right? He's caught red handed, to be honest, because he's caught next to a naked kid, right? By a SWAT team. That's pretty much sealed the deal, right? But he's, you take your eunuch and you make your eunuch swim. This is the fun thing you can do. Look, just swim. I'm gonna go swimming. And every time I go swimming, I want you to swim by me, right? Like you're surrounding me.

• 1:46:04Speaker 01

  And I want you to go in and I want you to take little nibbles of my genitalia. Okay, nothing to hurt me, just little nibbles. A little nibble of the genitalia. You know what the Baptists are doing? Same thing, baby.

• 1:46:19Speaker 01

  You're getting people, I brought the word for you're getting, you're getting people used to the idea of performing you on you. That's why you need disciples. Right? I need you to eat this seed. Do you understand? There's a reason that you have to do it now. Tiberius takes it to the nth degree to where he's, you know, he's staffing a whole island full of unpubescent, prepubescent, boys and girls. And on this island, you can go find the grottos of the nymphs. If that's your thing, if that's your thing, you've got to be careful. But if that's your thing, that's your thing.

• 1:47:03Speaker 01

  And those nymphs will, will do what they need to do. So let's have a party with all of the senators. Let's get them all here and let's put them in their place. And this is yeah, tactic. It's a tactic. People think, oh, my God. It's power, baby. If you can the center, imagine Trump thinks he's powerful, right? Right?

• 1:47:31Speaker 01

  I don't see him anybody. Okay.

• 1:47:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah, you don't see it, but you never know. He could be doing it behind closed doors.

• 1:47:39Speaker 01

  Let me say this so that it makes, so that it makes, you know, it meets its mark.

• 1:47:44Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:47:45Speaker 01

  Right? When Nancy Pelosi

• 1:47:51Speaker 01

  is watching Donald Trump

• 1:47:56Speaker 01

  her husband

• 1:48:01Speaker 01

  in front of the entire Senate, like it's a big dinner party, by the way, we can do this at Mar-a-Lago if you want.

• 1:48:08Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:48:09Speaker 01

  Right? We can do it, right? If he hasn't thought of this, let's put the thought in his head right now. Pure satanic.

• 1:48:15Danny Jones?

  I think he'll watch this.

• 1:48:16Speaker 01

  Energy.

• 1:48:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, right. What you have to do is you have to find Melania, get inside her, right? Where do you go to get, where do you go to get that? You gotta get inside their head and you have to penetrate that dream. This is how the Magi are working. Why? Because their eyes are open, Danny. When you start to interact with the outside, apparently you get some kind of knowledge. That knowledge can be catalogued over years of people's experience. That's what the priests are doing and they're creating a pathway for you to be able to navigate. Right? So I don't know, maybe there's something to it. Maybe once you blast off with that DMT or whatever the hell it is.

• 1:49:03Speaker 01

  Combination of shit and they give you the scorpion venom and the stuff going on and you die and you come back. Maybe it turns on some kind of observational power you've got.

• 1:49:14Danny Jones?

  It does something that rewires your brain. It gives you a different perspective on stuff.

• 1:49:18Speaker 01

  Maybe that's where you're supposed to be. Maybe like that is human. Maybe that's human.

• 1:49:22Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:23Speaker 01

  You know? And the rest of us are zombies.

• 1:49:27Danny Jones?

  Well, it makes sense. Like when they talk about a lucis being a portal to another world. And but like if a lucis was this place where people could go experience these drugs and have the experience of dying and being born again and going to this other dimension.

• 1:49:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:49:44Danny Jones?

  Which is a, an earth shattering experience. If, I mean, it, it sounds just like a DMT or a mushroom trip. And if you can put a walled garden around it and make it a secret where you're not allowed to talk about it and you have to pay to bring your goat or whatever, sacrifice to be able to come here.

• 1:50:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, and all that kind of stuff. Yeah.

• 1:50:11Danny Jones?

  You could absolutely convince people that they are meeting the gods.

• 1:50:19Speaker 01

  Hearing the voice of God.

• 1:50:22Danny Jones?

  Cause that's exactly what it is. Unless you have some sort of scientific explanation.

• 1:50:29Danny Jones?

  You know, where you like, like we have today where people try to explain. I mean, we, we still even today, we don't, people don't know what's happening on DMT. There's theories of what, you know, some people say that it's the brain. The brain is a filter that's filtering out what's really here in our reality and it's, the brain is, is filtering the things that we need to be able to perceive in order to survive. And when you, these drugs break that down and they show you what's really there. You know, that's the theory that if people think that that's what's going on. I mean, there's people that are trying to study doing extended state DMT trips to find, try to figure out what exactly is going on there because we don't know. Is it inside of our brains? Is it just some sort of a chemical thing that's happening inside of our, inside of our heads?

• 1:51:13Danny Jones?

  That is giving us this experience or is it outside? We don't, we still don't know today. So thousands of years ago,

• 1:51:25Danny Jones?

  it's totally plausible that they thought that they were going to hell or going to heaven. And being initiated into something spiritual. And if you can have some sort of a structure around that, some sort of cultish, some sort of cult structure where there's a, a leader who decides, you know, who is able to be initiated.

• 1:51:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. Especially if there's sexuality in the mystery.

• 1:52:00Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:00Speaker 01

  If somebody wants you to.

• 1:52:02Danny Jones?

  Especially if you're doing something, I mean, I don't know if that, even when that was happening, was that the sexual stuff, was that frowned upon?

• 1:52:13Speaker 01

  Completely, no, completely contemporary.

• 1:52:14Danny Jones?

  It was contemporary, it was, it was not, it was a ubiquitous thing.

• 1:52:17Speaker 01

  Jesus, yeah, the ovites, yeah, eat my baby.

• 1:52:20Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:52:21Speaker 01

  Right. It's basically a blow cult. Right? And they're right in line with Christianity.

• 1:52:31Speaker 01

  They're doing the same thing. It's why Jesus was frowned upon when they, they were like, hey, do you want this murderer? And they're like, no way, get that pedo. Right? And people don't see that. The history is way more. That's why I'm calling the bluff on, on any ism that anybody's got where they want to make Jack, right? Don't believe the stories. Go to the text. What do the texts say? Look at that and see what they say. This one says Jesus was giving, he was giving his penis to Mary. God, to put in her holy mouth.

• 1:53:08Danny Jones?

  What was that, um, the study you sent me from the University of Tampa? Where they found, uh, they found a mug, an ancient mug. And they thought that there was, uh, breast milk and drugs mixed together.

• 1:53:20Speaker 01

  It's female vaginal proteins. It said.

• 1:53:25Danny Jones?

  Can you find that, Steve? There's an article that just came out from University of Tampa about an Egyptian mug.

• 1:53:30Speaker 01

  Best jar. It was visiting them and they were looking at it and they did some chemical analysis and found vaginal proteins. Oh God, give me some of that best jar.

• 1:53:39Danny Jones?

  Vaginal proteins?

• 1:53:41Speaker 01

  Yeah. How do you do that, man?

• 1:53:44Danny Jones?

  There it is. Ancient Egyptian mug at the Tampa Museum of Art. Once held psychotropic drugs, human blood and bodily fluids. Research, research reveals.

• 1:53:55Speaker 01

  I told you, look at Bess. Look at that. Oh God. Those Egyptians with their dirtiness.

• 1:54:03Danny Jones?

  Keep going down.

• 1:54:07Danny Jones?

  Hmm. Bess. Who is Bess?

• 1:54:09Speaker 01

  Oh, some Egyptian deity. I don't know.

• 1:54:11Danny Jones?

  Some Egyptian deity.

• 1:54:11Speaker 01

  Something to do with sex. Yeah. Get an Egyptologist in here. God damn it.

• 1:54:22Speaker 02

  Huh, that's cool.

• 1:54:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:54:25Danny Jones?

  And when did this, when was this published? This was published recently, I think.

• 1:54:28Speaker 01

  Recently, recently, just like they did the hair. The hair of the monorca.

• 1:54:34Danny Jones?

  Up, up, up, up, up, way up, above the text.

• 1:54:37Speaker 01

  With the drugs.

• 1:54:38Danny Jones?

  Below the photo, above the text.

• 1:54:39Speaker 02

  Below the photo.

• 1:54:40Danny Jones?

  There you go, October 29th, 2023. About a year ago.

• 1:54:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. And supposedly they did the chemical analysis and, you know, people are surprised. So it's got vaginal stuff in it, you know? Body fluids.

• 1:54:54Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:54:55Speaker 01

  Love it, baby. Why do you think you drank out of her purpled flowers? That's what makes you a god. They sang about it. You can take a vagina. Oh, God, let's do it. Let's just go ahead and do it. You can take a vagina and you can turn it into a reservoir of the water of life. And when you find your purpose, then the muse will sing. Yeah. Oh, my. Are you kidding me?

• 1:55:22Danny Jones?

  What does that mean?

• 1:55:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, oh, they put purple on their vagina. The purple, the burning purple is one of the cold drugs they're using. There's a whole trade behind it. There's a whole economy behind it and everything. And people are just now discovering and are rediscovering, oh, the purple. Right? Good. Good, they're using it. And they're right, baby. Those purple fingers, you know what happens when you get purpled? You hear voices. Who wants to hear voices?

• 1:55:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:55:53Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:55:53Speaker 01

  It's God. And Mary hears her and it makes her, hears him and it makes her pregnant. Oh, my God, give her, give her the old man with the rod. They actually gave her away. It's amazing. It's amazing. What do you do with the priestesses? You see how it can be turned into a, into a market?

• 1:56:12Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah, absolutely.

• 1:56:13Speaker 01

  Yeah. Everybody went running when they offered Mary, who's 12.

• 1:56:19Speaker 01

  Here, you gotta take her. She's pregnant with God's baby.

• 1:56:23Speaker 01

  Here she goes. They auctioned her off. Dudes are willing. They want it. It's not an auction. It's you put in your rod. Whose ever rod gets her, they take her away, right?

• 1:56:34Speaker 02

  Like a raffle?

• 1:56:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a raffle, right? It's a raffle. But they're doing a lot of raffling. They do that in the temple. The prophets do it. You don't know this. You're gonna see it in the Septuagint, because you don't really read the Greek. All these pikers who come up here and say, "This is kind of Greek." Bullshit. You don't really read the Greek. I can tell by listening to you. Right? They're using the lots, what you and I call the sortes, in the temple. Whenever they want to figure out what God's opinion of something is, they go cast lots. You know, it's a way of reading God. Right? So when they give Him, who should we give the virgin to?

• 1:57:16Speaker 01

  Who should we give her to? Because now she's 12 and pregnant with God's baby. Who do we give her to? They call her Mary, purple fingers. Who do we give her to? We have a lot, and God ultimately tells us. We have prophets who do this in the Septuagint. They go into the temple, and it says in the text, "I entered into a state of ecstasy, and I heard the voice of God saying X, Y, and Z. And God wanted me to do this." How do I know? Because I cast the lots, and that's what He said for me to do. Yeah. This is not Moses and Marlon Brand, or no, what's his name, Charlton Heston and all that.

• 1:57:59Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:58:00Speaker 01

  This is the reality of the anthropology. This is what the texts show. Imagine, you know, you and I are talking about eunuchs. We don't have any eunuchs to dig up, right, who can tell their stories. But we know how they were using them through these guys like Tiberius, and through this guy, Jesus Christ, who's walking around telling you and your children, "Blessed are the eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven." Yeah.

• 1:58:31Speaker 01

  He's just not sophisticated enough to throw him over the cliff, right?

• 1:58:36Danny Jones?

  How many times have you read the Bible?

• 1:58:38Speaker 01

  Oh, God, I don't know. I, uh, gee, I can't, I don't know. I don't know because I use it all the time and I'm reading it very, very frequently.

• 1:58:48Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:58:49Speaker 01

  Very, very frequently, like, oh, God, if I'm not, if I get through a week without reading at least

• 1:59:00Speaker 01

  two or three books of Zep Tuijin and New Testament, then something's wrong because I, I consult that literature frequently. Yeah. Um, and I love to read it backwards. The best way to read the apocalypse is to read it backwards.

• 1:59:16Danny Jones?

  Why is that?

• 1:59:19Speaker 01

  Because it was designed that way.

• 1:59:21Danny Jones?

  It was designed backwards?

• 1:59:23Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:59:25Danny Jones?

  What do you mean by that?

• 1:59:26Speaker 01

  It was built.

• 1:59:28Danny Jones?

  It was what?

• 1:59:29Speaker 01

  It was reverse engineered.

• 1:59:33Speaker 01

  The climax, right, was punctured, punctured itself into another universe, boom, gave you the apocalypse. Why are they doing these things? Um, the first time I noticed this was when I was reading the PGM.

• 1:59:50Danny Jones?

  The magical Greek papyri?

• 1:59:51Speaker 01

  The Greek magical papyri. And they have these words that will mirror, and all of a sudden, you're reading backwards. You're reading forwards and backwards, right? Um, the people who are involved in all of this high-tech drug stuff, that are entering people, I mean, they've, that knowledge to be able to castrate you, that same, you also have to have that knowledge of which drugs do what, what to the body.

• 2:00:20Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:20Speaker 01

  And how you can manipulate, how you can manipulate, what was?

• 2:00:26Danny Jones?

  Nazi drugs.

• 2:00:27Speaker 01

  Oh, God. Um, how you can manipulate somebody's, what you and I would say, their mind.

• 2:00:36Danny Jones?

  Manipulate their mind?

• 2:00:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's what the craft of the Magi, and that's why they do the interrogations and all that kind of stuff. It's like a, it's like a legal, they have a certain legal clout and tradition. Because they're able to, you know, think about the people who traveled. Pythagoras goes to Egypt and to Persia just to learn the drugs that they're using.

• 2:01:02Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:01:03Speaker 01

  Right? And think about, um, the clout that you have, the dictators or kings, tyrants, whatever you want to call them, um, have entire boards of Magi that they consult. And one of the favorite things that you and I can all consult is the eunuch and the chief, the chief eunuch and his eunuchs, like Daniel, because these are the prophets. They're able to see, right? They've been given the gift of vision. It's nothing new. It's all over the Mediterranean, bro.

• 2:01:40Speaker 01

  Right? It's all there. And that gift is given through that serpent combo that's wound around that staff.

• 2:01:49Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:01:51Speaker 01

  Yeah. And that is the theriak and the death inducer. So if you'd been there, you'd understand. You wouldn't have to sit here, breathe, breathe. Oh, my God.

• 2:02:04Danny Jones?

  Were there, were there any stimulants? Did they have cocaine and heroin back then?

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• 2:03:11Danny Jones?

  Yeah, they only have psychedelics.

• 2:03:12Speaker 01

  No, the cocaine is not there, right? That's a new world.

• 2:03:15Danny Jones?

  They didn't have coca?

• 2:03:16Speaker 01

  They had, no, they had stimulants, but they didn't have coca, right? That's a new world drug.

• 2:03:20Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:03:20Speaker 01

  Um, but, uh, very famously in, um, uh, it's not in Paty Clee, it's one of his buddies. Uh, I'll think of his name in a minute. He walked around with a stimulant that he got from a root and grated it really fine. It was like a powder.

• 2:03:40Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 2:03:40Speaker 01

  And he would very famously, um, snort the stimulant. And he capped it in his favorite Colt, Colt, C-O-L-T, Colt hoof.

• 2:03:58Speaker 01

  Colt hoof, right? Make that thing come alive, man. I'm looking at its tiny pee pee. Um, he kept it in a hoof.

• 2:04:09Danny Jones?

  He had to keep the top on.

• 2:04:09Speaker 01

  From a Colt. C-O-L-T.

• 2:04:13Danny Jones?

  Colt.

• 2:04:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think so. And he would sniff it. It was either that or cow, I don't know. He would sniff it and it would cause him to be able to, um, among other things, time travel.

• 2:04:26Danny Jones?

  Time travel?

• 2:04:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:04:27Danny Jones?

  With a stimulant?

• 2:04:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:04:29Danny Jones?

  Whoa.

• 2:04:30Speaker 01

  Um, they would do it in caves and people would end up getting older. And you get these lifespans. If you don't believe me, check out the lifespan of Pythagoras. Pythagoras was going into caves and traveling through time.

• 2:04:49Speaker 01

  He lived in a cave.

• 2:04:50Speaker 02

  Pythagoras?

• 2:04:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, there was a famous, oh God, famous grottos and all that kind of stuff. What's that?

• 2:04:57Speaker 02

  What the hell? No way. He lived seventy-five to a hundred, a hundred years. No way. Seventy, seventy-five to ninety-five?

• 2:05:04Danny Jones?

  He lived that old?

• 2:05:06Speaker 01

  No, he lived way longer.

• 2:05:08Speaker 02

  What?

• 2:05:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:05:09Danny Jones?

  What was the average lifespan of people back then?

• 2:05:11Speaker 01

  Two hundred years. Average lifespan is no different than yours.

• 2:05:14Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 2:05:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:05:16Danny Jones?

  The lifespan was the same?

• 2:05:17Speaker 01

  No, no, no.

• 2:05:18Danny Jones?

  Pre-Christ.

• 2:05:19Speaker 01

  The life expectancy, right? So statistically, more of us are likely to get killed off just in child, in childbirth and in war.

• 2:05:28Danny Jones?

  Right. Immunity mortality rate was like fifty percent.

• 2:05:30Speaker 01

  Right. So there's a chance, there's a higher chance that you're gonna die off before you reach your golden years, but that lifespan doesn't change.

• 2:05:37Danny Jones?

  Best case scenario.

• 2:05:39Speaker 01

  They're still eighty, ninety as old.

• 2:05:40Danny Jones?

  So if you're not dying from famine or war or plague, you're gonna live the same. Wow.

• 2:05:46Speaker 01

  If you're not one of the statistics.

• 2:05:47Danny Jones?

  Did they have cancer back then?

• 2:05:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it doesn't look like it's as much.

• 2:05:52Danny Jones?

  Not as much cancer?

• 2:05:52Speaker 01

  It's not as prevalent. They do have it, though. They do have it.

• 2:05:57Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 2:05:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:05:58Danny Jones?

  Did they distinguish like different types of cancers and like what like?

• 2:06:00Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:06:01Danny Jones?

  Were they removing, did, did Galen ever do any tumor removals?

• 2:06:05Speaker 01

  He did a breast. He didn't do a tumor removal. He did a reduction.

• 2:06:09Danny Jones?

  So he reduced the tumor?

• 2:06:11Speaker 01

  He opened it up and then he took his hubu jubu together and blah la hoo ha and put it in there and next thing you know, it was reduced. And I know that, um, the, yeah, the ingredient, one of them was the stuff that he was getting from the priestess on Limnos, who made that. She made an awesome drug, dude. Yeah, it was a combo. They called it the Limnian earth. It was a Metallica pharmacia. Do you understand? Pharmica, plural pharmacia, those drugs that are Metallica. They come from the earth. She made the Limnian. She's also a lyre player, dude. So you gotta give her that. And she made-

• 2:06:56Danny Jones?

  She was a what?

• 2:06:57Speaker 01

  A lyre player, baby. Guitars, guitars.

• 2:07:00Danny Jones?

  A liar.

• 2:07:01Speaker 01

  Sexy guitar playing prophetess. And she makes drugs. And one of the drugs she made, Galen went out and got like twenty thousand pills from her and they have her little seal and everything. Everybody was getting them. It wasn't just Galen.

• 2:07:18Speaker 01

  He just wanted to get 20,000 of them or however many.

• 2:07:22Danny Jones?

  Was Galen constantly doing drugs too?

• 2:07:26Speaker 01

  You were doing drugs from the time that you were a baby and you have an earache. What is the, what do we give them? We give them all opium dude. Your body is the way it is because you can't handle it, you hop head. If you were raised on it. Yeah.

• 2:07:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, you'd be different. And they described this phenomenon, right? You become used to it, right? You become, you become.

• 2:07:54Danny Jones?

  Your tolerance, you build up to tolerance.

• 2:07:56Speaker 01

  What we'd say is tolerance. Yep, you do. So you gotta keep giving. You gotta keep giving. Well.

• 2:08:02Danny Jones?

  It's amazing that Galen was doing all this stuff. And he was, he was cutting up bodies and, and studying anatomy and studying pharmacology and drugs. And at the same time, he was like a philosophical writer. And he wrote 10% of the texts that we have, 10% of the classical texts is Galen, right?

• 2:08:19Speaker 01

  Yeah. Now think, that's been an estimation. That's been an estimation, but um, I don't know if they figured that out on the TLG or something like that. If it's, if it is 10%, okay, great.

• 2:08:32Speaker 01

  That's apparent to any classicist because you, you use research tools that are all marked by Galen. We figure out what a lot of words mean through Galen because he's so friggin wordy. He's thousands, thousands, thousands of pages, baby. Just over and over and over again. So um, imagine this Danny, imagine that classicists ignore Galen. And they are, which they traditionally do, they traditionally.

• 2:09:03Danny Jones?

  They do ignore Galen.

• 2:09:04Speaker 01

  Totally ignore Galen.

• 2:09:06Danny Jones?

  There was a, you sent me a recent dissertation from a guy in Europe.

• 2:09:11Speaker 01

  Exeter, yeah.

• 2:09:12Danny Jones?

  Exeter. We did a dissertation all about Galen.

• 2:09:14Speaker 01

  He did a translation of the Therac to Piso in which he describes the Therac that, that um, the emperor is on, Marcus Aravis. You'd think those friggin historians would want to know that stuff. Right? They make all these movies Gladiator, ha, right? They don't even know the, the real stuff is so much more interesting. You know what I mean? Somebody, somebody contact, somebody contact somebody, personal drug empowerment. You know what I mean?

• 2:09:47Speaker 01

  How can you empower yourself? How can you take yourself to that next level? How do you grow? You've got to, you've got to interact through those drugs. And that is a good thing. So you can see how it runs contrary to modern.

• 2:10:04Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:10:04Speaker 01

  Kind of thought.

• 2:10:05Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm. Remember when I had a guy on here a few months ago and I asked you to give me sort of a boot camp in Plato?

• 2:10:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:10:18Danny Jones?

  And this guy was a Greek. He had a little bit of classical knowledge. His name's Flint Dibble and he was an archaeologist.

• 2:10:26Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:10:26Danny Jones?

  In Athens.

• 2:10:27Speaker 01

  Great.

• 2:10:28Danny Jones?

  And he knew some Greek stuff. And he was basically saying that Atlantis was all bullshit, that Plato.

• 2:10:32Speaker 01

  Yeah. He's right. Plato's a dumbass.

• 2:10:35Danny Jones?

  Plato was a dumbass.

• 2:10:36Speaker 01

  No, not a dumb. I don't mean like smart. I don't mean to say, I'm sure he was a hell of a lot smarter than I am. I don't think that people understand that Plato was a liar. He was a huge liar. And his Socrates is not even a real Socrates. And they have to constantly tell you that in these courses that you take on Plato. Right? They have to constantly tell, well, this is Plato's Socrates. This isn't the Socrates.

• 2:11:00Danny Jones?

  So it's like they're insinuating, take it with a grain of salt because it's Plato.

• 2:11:03Speaker 01

  Cause it's Plato. He's a liar and he made up the whole.

• 2:11:06Danny Jones?

  Was he a liar or was he just like coming up with like abstract thought experiments?

• 2:11:10Speaker 01

  The devil hates it. The devil hates it. You can't, you've got to mark that. He's a definite out and out liar. His Atlantis stuff is made up with sources that are made up. Everybody knew that then. He was even off in the number of years. Right? Oh my God. There is no Atlantis people. Stop looking for it. It's a lie of Plato. Do you see how you got fingered? You went into the back alley of history and Plato stuck his finger somewhere. Yeah.

• 2:11:46Danny Jones?

  So he, so nothing he wrote was historical? Nothing at all?

• 2:11:50Speaker 01

  He's a philosopher, dude.

• 2:11:51Danny Jones?

  He's a philosopher, right?

• 2:11:52Speaker 01

  Yeah. A lot of like you say, thought experiments, you know, if you're into that thing, dude, go for it, right? Go for it. It's good stuff. And you know, it's got enough facts about Socrates, who was a great person, that you can pick up kind of a background of who this dude was. And really, the only thing that matters about Socrates, and I will offend many of my colleagues, but I'll go ahead and do it.

• 2:12:16Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 2:12:17Speaker 01

  The only thing to like about Socrates is nothing that Plato said. It is what the oracle at Delphi said. She said Socrates was the wisest Athenian, right? Because he knows that he knows nothing. It was a big middle finger. It was a big middle finger to the Athenian intellectual establishment. Yeah. And it pissed him off. And what did they do? They fucking killed him. Yeah. Why is that? Because Socrates was the gadfly.

• 2:12:52Danny Jones?

  Didn't they give him an ultimatum?

• 2:12:55Speaker 01

  Well, he could leave. He had a choice. He could leave.

• 2:12:57Danny Jones?

  What would have happened if he left?

• 2:12:59Speaker 01

  He could just leave all of his stuff and goes.

• 2:13:01Danny Jones?

  And rather die.

• 2:13:02Speaker 01

  And he's lived there all his life. Why would he? Why would I do this? Right? He was an old dude. Seriously? You know, the hemlock's not bad, baby. That stuff kills you pretty quick.

• 2:13:13Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 2:13:13Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? He had his thing, but he was there as a gadfly. And from the oracle at Delphi, she was his muse. And she said, "Listen, you Athenian rich bastards, you know nothing. I'm gonna send you the one who knows everything." And that guy said, "I have no idea what's going on."

• 2:13:40Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 2:13:40Speaker 01

  Yeah. He was like the anti-smarty. And Plato turns him into his little toy. His little toy eunuch playing, Plato. What else can we do with the eunuchs? Once you cut off their testicles, they've gotta be useful for something. Do you know what they can be used for? Outside of Athens?

• 2:14:02Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 2:14:03Speaker 01

  There's a district where the tragedians get their boys.

• 2:14:11Speaker 01

  Because there's something in it, baby. There's something in the magic of the eunuch. They're for the kingdom of heaven. Do you understand? This is Jesus. This is Jesus. Did you want to know who Jesus is? This is why the people run from Ammon. And I want to adopt today. I just want everybody to know that I, Ammon, through the voice of Lady Babylon, I am telling you, I am the exorcist slayer. When Huff ran away, I was sad because I looked at it. I looked at Huff meat and I was like, oh yeah, I'm gonna drain this guy.

• 2:14:55Speaker 01

  You know what I mean?

• 2:14:57Danny Jones?

  Do you want to, should we watch his response to you? And we can break it down?

• 2:15:03Speaker 01

  Oh, let's do that. The audience will know that he turned down two invitations right before.

• 2:15:10Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 2:15:11Speaker 01

  And after, before the

• 2:15:13Danny Jones?

  That's okay.

• 2:15:13Speaker 01

  Crucified that guy and after he crucified that guy.

• 2:15:17Danny Jones?

  Poor, poor baby Billy Cars.

• 2:15:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, oh, he was like a lamb.

• 2:15:20Danny Jones?

  You gotta start around the six and a half minute mark.

• 2:15:23Speaker 01

  Okay, I'll be quiet.

• 2:15:24Danny Jones?

  Okay. So, there's a lot of people online that really want this guy to debate you. So let's listen to what his response is to your translation of the word Christ. Here we go.

• 2:15:41Speaker 07

  ...turn of the throne as the second person of the Trinity stepping into humanity. And, but if you were to say to someone after this, if someone said like, hey, you met Wes Huff, how was he? And you went, ah, he's a little bit condescending. You wouldn't be talking about my humility. No. Right? Because that word has a different meaning in its different context. And part of the problem with something like what Ammon says is that he's taking terminology that exists within the parameters of a specific field. And then he's applying them in areas where there's an entirely different contextual meaning and

• 2:16:21Speaker 07

  Spectrum of understanding.

• 2:16:23Speaker 01

  It's a big turd, catch it off.

• 2:16:25Speaker 07

  That some people jumped on was that he, he says that the word Christ comes from the Greek word chreo, which it does, right, to anoint. And in ancient Greek medical texts, there is a usage of that, which he has capitalized on with applying drugs to your eyes. Now, more broadly, chreo does mean to rub, particularly a liquid ointment or substance on your body. So this relates to everything from bathing to ritual practices in religious circumstances. But you could likewise say if you put on, if you were an ancient Roman and you had a bath and you came out and you put on

• 2:17:10Speaker 07

  cream, skin cream, right, so your skin didn't dry out, that that was an example of chreo, you were applying it to your body. Well, within the religious connotation of Christianity, it is the translation of the Greek word messiah, which likewise means anointed one, right? There were multiple anointed ones in the Old Testament. It was just a word that was referred to priests or kings or, and had a very specific connotation in the messiah, who would come and be different. And the Greek translation of that, which both the Greek translation of the Old Testament and in the New Testament, both use is Christ. Why? Because it means anointed one.

• 2:17:54Speaker 07

  So Ammon takes that and he says, well, in this very specific instance, in this stream of classical medical literature, it means to apply a drug to your eyes, specifically related to, not the botfly, what does he say? The, um, he relates it to a fly.

• 2:18:16Speaker 05

  I don't remember the detail, but.

• 2:18:17Speaker 07

  Well, and it does mean that.

• 2:18:19Speaker 01

  You moron.

• 2:18:20Speaker 07

  In the particular instance that it's being used. But this is where semantic range is very important.

• 2:18:26Danny Jones?

  Semantic range?

• 2:18:27Speaker 01

  Oh, God.

• 2:18:27Speaker 07

  And this is the problem that some others have.

• 2:18:29Danny Jones?

  Let him finish, let him finish.

• 2:18:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, should we pull up this clip, by the way?

• 2:18:32Danny Jones?

  It's about to climax.

• 2:18:33Speaker 05

  There's, there's context.

• 2:18:35Danny Jones?

  I think I have it. All right, fast forward through the part where he plays the clip. We don't need to play that again.

• 2:18:41Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:18:42Speaker 05

  His knowledge says there, but you're saying that like he's stretching some of his knowledge on the pharmacological history of language and bringing that into say Jesus's lexicon and how he says things.

• 2:18:57Speaker 07

  Yeah, so, so there's, there's two sort of terms that are used specifically within biblical studies, but this applies to anything within the ancient world where we're trying to come up with translations in deriving meaning. The first is, there's a, there's a discipline called hermeneutics. And hermeneutics is this interpretation. It's the methodology of interpretation that we use on a particular text. Before hermeneutics is exegesis. And exegesis is a Greek word that literally means to bring out, right? The opposite would be isegesis, to read into.

• 2:19:29Speaker 01

  Oh, fingering me!

• 2:19:31Speaker 07

  Something, and you're looking at an ancient language. You're trying to get at the author's intention by different levels of contextual application.

• 2:19:39Danny Jones?

  He's pulling the demon out of you.

• 2:19:40Speaker 01

  Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, you're trying, stop, stop, stop, stop, I can't take it, I can't take it. I can't take it, please.

• 2:19:46Danny Jones?

  You look like you're going through an exorcism right now.

• 2:19:48Speaker 01

  Steve, Steve, stop.

• 2:19:48Danny Jones?

  Is Wes Huff pulling the devil out of you right now?

• 2:19:50Speaker 01

  Oh, God, oh, God, stop, it's so bad.

• 2:19:52Danny Jones?

  Haven't you ever heard of hermeneutics?

• 2:19:54Speaker 01

  It's.

• 2:19:54Speaker 07

  Realms of how we do.

• 2:19:56Speaker 01

  Stop, you're trying to get to the intention of the author. No, you're not. You're reading an ancient language.

• 2:20:05Danny Jones?

  Amen. You're pulling out a specific context in Galen's medical texts and trying to apply it to everything across the board.

• 2:20:12Speaker 01

  Here's the.

• 2:20:12Danny Jones?

  Which is, which is intellectually dishonest.

• 2:20:15Speaker 01

  Here's the problem. I'm not pulling it out of Galen. Does Galen have it? Yes.

• 2:20:22Speaker 01

  Fucking Euripides has it. He gets a sex drug that is a Christ. One of the characters asks, is it a Christ? This is not from the medical. This is from everything, everything, Wes Huff, you fucking fake.

• 2:20:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, this is why he wouldn't face me. I can tell you right now, and I can tell your audience, your audience must know, this man does not really read Greek. He's, what is he, finishing his PhD?

• 2:20:55Danny Jones?

  He's finishing his PhD.

• 2:20:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's finishing his PhD in Biblical Studies. You know what that means? It means he's had a couple of semesters of Greek. Yeah, yeah, he was able to say the word, the name Xenophon. That was nice. Dude, does he read Ancient Greek? No. That's why what comes out of his mouth is theological bullshit. This is not a craftsman. This is not a skill. This is theology taking you into a back alley and putting its finger in your butt. Yeah, and that's why he wouldn't face me. That's why he wouldn't. Let's read some Greek. Let's look at where it says Jesus. He wanted Mary to suck it down.

• 2:21:38Danny Jones?

  So who are the other authors that say that Christ is applying a drug to your eyes besides Galen?

• 2:21:44Speaker 01

  John, John, the apostle, you, oh, where is, where are they? This is what you, this is, oh, God, this is the half of the West.

• 2:21:56Danny Jones?

  He's saying it's only in a few places, and you're saying it's literally everywhere.

• 2:22:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, get this, focus on, focus on, here, here's some Greek for you, Wes. You idiot, it's in the Book of Revelation, you moron. God tells them, you better christ your eyes so they'll be opened. You're not, Wes. You don't know what you're doing. You're a second-rate Biblical scholar that will go down every time to a class. This is why, Wes, because I read those fucking texts.

• 2:22:29Danny Jones?

  I love it. How do you really feel?

• 2:22:38Speaker 01

  Sometimes I think I can feel their buttocks.

• 2:22:40Danny Jones?

  You're passionate about this, aren't you?

• 2:22:42Speaker 01

  I can feel it. Well, it's the, it's what the devil gives you, man. It's what the devil gives you. Look, he's been pumped up in his pride. He thinks he's something now, because he slaughtered somebody who was making stuff up. Well, guess what? This is the gymnasium of the cosmos, baby. Right? You'll be taken down. You'll be taken down by somebody who knows. Right? Oh, God. I love this class. Did you talk to any classist that would love to say, "Hey, why don't you get over here and start reading the texts that you are?" You know, Princeton just got rid of their Greek program, right?

• 2:23:20Danny Jones?

  I did not know that.

• 2:23:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, they did. You know why? It was because it's too hard. Can I just say right off the bat, Jesus did not drug children for sex. Jesus sucked the antidote out of the of underage boys. There's a big difference. He's balancing. He's balancing by using a theriak.

• 2:23:54Danny Jones?

  He wasn't getting joy out of it. He was just doing it to survive.

• 2:23:58Speaker 01

  No, did you hear him? He was like, "Oh, God, take this cup away from me." As he's standing there looking at this naked kid. And he's like, "Oh, God, take this cup away from me." I don't know. You know, he may have felt bad for him or something, but he knew that if he didn't get that, right, and it's not milky, it's clear at that age. Okay? And what comes out of it balances.

• 2:24:21Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:24:22Speaker 01

  And he needed it. And because he didn't get it, that's why he's screaming on the ground, "Ah, God, God, I'm so thirsty." Ah, and he starts rattling off magic names, "Samachphone. Oh, God." And then he just chunks off dead.

• 2:24:40Speaker 01

  And everybody's like looking at each other and the guy with the anecdotes looking at everybody else and he's like, shit.

• 2:24:47Danny Jones?

  And what, and we mentioned this briefly on the first podcast, but what is the, the hard evidence that the two gentlemen crucified next to him were child traffickers?

• 2:24:59Speaker 01

  It says that, it says calls them all Lastei, it says he was crucified in Mark between two Lastei.

• 2:25:06Danny Jones?

  It's in Mark.

• 2:25:07Speaker 01

  It's either in Mark, yeah, it is in Mark. I went back and checked because it's in Matthew two, I think. But it's between two Lastei. Yeah, it's in 14 after the 51, 52, when he's with the naked kid. And by the way, by the way, these people like Wesley Huff, they're trying to say that the kid was not actually naked.

• 2:25:32Danny Jones?

  He was wearing a linen and then it fell off when he ran away.

• 2:25:36Speaker 01

  He ran out of his clothing.

• 2:25:37Danny Jones?

  So the, the logic behind that is why would it fall off? If it's a piece of clothing, it's tethered to you. It's tied to you. It's wrapped around you so you can navigate, you can walk around and it will stay on you. If I run away, my pants aren't going to fall off.

• 2:25:54Speaker 01

  Correct. Correct. And explicitly in the Greek, it's even marked in the Greek because it uses the expression epigumnu, which is, ep is just a preposition that's able to give you the positioning of something. So it's literally positioned on his nakedness.

• 2:26:19Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:26:19Speaker 01

  It's on the part itself. It doesn't say he's wearing, he's a mummy or something, right? They want to turn him into a mummy. They're going to take this cloth and wrap him up like a mummy.

• 2:26:30Danny Jones?

  The word that they use, the, the, the word that they use for the linen wrapped around him in Greek is, is the, it means a medicated bandage.

• 2:26:38Speaker 01

  It's a medicated bandage and they're used all over the place. So for people to mistake this, it's, it's like, it doesn't make sense historically. If you can, you can either follow the, the fairy tale or you can follow the facts that are in the documents. Right? So Jesus is out there, remember? Where's Jesus hanging out? He's hanging out with demoniacs, baby. And they're all coming to him, right? For their cures.

• 2:27:04Danny Jones?

  What was the party he was at in the back room? They said he was on the top level or something. This is what you talked about in the first podcast. He was doing something.

• 2:27:15Speaker 01

  There were some feet washing going on.

• 2:27:17Danny Jones?

  So why?

• 2:27:18Speaker 01

  Correctly.

• 2:27:19Danny Jones?

  My question is, why was he washing feet?

• 2:27:23Speaker 01

  With his cloth? I don't know. Why would you?

• 2:27:27Danny Jones?

  Why was he participating in the mystery in some back room somewhere? And then, and then decide to move the party out to a public park? What, why? What's the necessity for being in the public park? Why not just stay in the shed, in the shack?

• 2:27:43Speaker 01

  Yeah. Why not just take your kid, the kid who's following him? And it ends up naked. Why not just take him in the upper room and do your thing?

• 2:27:53Danny Jones?

  Well, exactly, yes.

• 2:27:54Speaker 01

  Yeah. That's a great question. Um, if you'll notice, the only, I think the, the only answer, I mean, I don't have an answer to that. The only, you know, way you could approach it is a thought experiment. What do you do with the evidence? Okay, say we're before a judge and a jury. We have to present evidence. What's the evidence? At the time, your honor, he was stumbling around and confused and angry in the park. In the park. And he had three of his students standing at guard and they were so drugged, they couldn't stay awake. They couldn't stay awake. Why?

• 2:28:36Speaker 01

  Because Jesus at this party eucharized the cup. Do you understand? Jesus eucharized and everybody hears the fairy tale. Ha, ha, ha. Right? That's when he adds the drugs. That's when he makes the drink. They're gonna put it on the bread. The shit is so potent, they're gonna put it on bread. And when they give it to you, you get it. You are that eunuch. Why does he have to go to the public park? Cause he's not there just to have sex with those boys. Jesus gets that all the time. He doesn't need it. Other people need it.

• 2:29:19Speaker 01

  You take the kids to the cemetery. You see when Tiberius makes his island with his grottos? He's meeting a demand. People want to have with children. People want to have with children, Your Honor. I am standing before human history and I testify to you, Madam. People want to have with children. And that's why you go to the public park. You prop them, he had to prop them, he's doing all the, he's doing all the dirty dance for them, dangling, dangle berry. Yeah, John's sitting on his lap.

• 2:30:03Speaker 01

  Get off Jesus' lap, John. Get off!

• 2:30:07Danny Jones?

  And then why, why did he end up making out with Judas?

• 2:30:13Speaker 01

  It's a thing.

• 2:30:14Danny Jones?

  Okay. It's a thing.

• 2:30:18Speaker 01

  Yeah. Galilee, Galilee boys. That's why the female prostitutes recognize, who recognizes the earliest apostles? It's the [BLEEP] girl prostitutes. Nobody found that to be historically important? Yeah, it's the [BLEEP] girl prostitutes.

• 2:30:38Danny Jones?

  Maybe, maybe scholars just think it's better that we leave this behind us. It's not gonna benefit us moving forward.

• 2:30:46Speaker 01

  I'm sure every classicist hides their head and would never comment on this because they would be immediately fired if they did.

• 2:30:53Danny Jones?

  Like you did.

• 2:30:54Speaker 01

  Right, yeah, exactly. You can't open your mouth and talk about this stuff. It makes people uncomfortable. And they actually have ways of getting rid of you. Okay, I don't know how it is now, but when they got rid of me, they, they would just charge you with making somebody uncomfortable. I've made somebody uncomfortable. Interesting, do you know who I've made uncomfortable? Every [BLEEP] priest sitting in that audience who had been involved. Every one of them at that chorus of beautiful college virgins. They pointed those, those right at those priests. They pointed them right at those priests. And they told them what they were.

• 2:31:38Speaker 01

  And for a minute, speech was free. And then they fired me.

• 2:31:46Speaker 01

  Which I'm pretty sure I had something to do with.

• 2:31:50Danny Jones?

  I also hadn't realized the first time you came on here was that when they fired you, you had already published your book about original sin.

• 2:31:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:31:59Danny Jones?

  So they caught wind of original sin, which you wrote before or after The Chemical Muse?

• 2:32:04Speaker 01

  After The Chemical Muse.

• 2:32:05Danny Jones?

  You wrote that after The Chemical Muse.

• 2:32:06Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:32:07Danny Jones?

  Original sin. They probably got wind of that book and decided this guy's a cancer. We gotta cut him out.

• 2:32:11Speaker 01

  They didn't probably. There's no probably about it. Monsignor Thomas Melvin came to me and said, "We know about your book and I've been to five meetings about you."

• 2:32:26Speaker 01

  I said, "I'm glad. Did you read the book?"

• 2:32:30Speaker 01

  And he's like, "Yeah, we read the book."

• 2:32:37Speaker 01

  And, uh, you know, it goes from there and people want to deny that there was a hearing that was held, some kind of inquiry into my state of possession. And people want to poo poo that. If you go talk to Tom Melvin, he'll tell you. He'll tell you. He's a vicar general now, I think.

• 2:32:57Danny Jones?

  Tom Melvin?

• 2:32:58Speaker 01

  Yeah. Monsignor Tom Melvin. He's a great guy. He was one of my students and he was a Catholic, former Navy. And he had morals like any, any soldier. I mean, he was just, he was, what is it? Oh God, he was, oh, it was a donkey. It was, they called it the donkey dick. When the helicopter comes over the carrier, listen to what this guy did. He ran out with what they call the donkey dick and attached it to the cargo nets.

• 2:33:31Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:33:31Speaker 01

  And then to the bottom of the helicopter. That was his job.

• 2:33:34Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow.

• 2:33:34Speaker 01

  Right? While the boat is pitching and stuff, right? So it's pitching, but you can't see it when you're on it. So that helicopter, he said, that thing's going up and down a little bit.

• 2:33:46Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:33:46Speaker 01

  You know what I mean?

• 2:33:47Danny Jones?

  I bet.

• 2:33:48Speaker 01

  So he said, "It can be quite dangerous." And anyway, um, he went to a meeting. Tom, I'm gonna tell him because you're a good man. I used to give confession to Tom. Um, I loved it. It was, it was good. I loved it. Um, Tom said that, uh... Um, you know, he was involved, his position, just to give you a little bit of history. He was a punisher. He was the one who investigated Pete Priest who had gone astray.

• 2:34:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, he knew everything, servers, all that kind of stuff, you know, they watched. And when the stuff got bad and people got involved in stuff, he had to go in and be the punisher. And he was mad, he was mad, man. He was mad at the attitude. Flippant.

• 2:34:36Speaker 01

  More angry about being caught.

• 2:34:40Speaker 01

  Than being wrong. And he said he came in one day and Tom Melvin, I'll never remember, I'll never forget this. And looked him sitting there across, having a coffee in the school cafeteria. It was a little shop, they'd buy burritos, stuff like that. And he's sitting there and he goes, I wanted to take a baseball bat to his head.

• 2:35:02Speaker 01

  And I just got the image of him here, you know, and this priest is sitting here. Thinks he can get away with it and is pissed off that you're investigating. Like he has some right. He has some right, they do, they have a historical right, they've been doing that since Jesus was doing it.

• 2:35:23Danny Jones?

  And these people, some people online have gotten a hold of your deposition. Some sort of deposition where the lawyers were interrogating you about some sort of, uh, some sort of dream molesting that you were doing. And you showed me some, some clips of that where they were asking you about, you claimed that you were like pan and emailing people and all this weird stuff.

• 2:35:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, seven hour deposition.

• 2:35:45Danny Jones?

  Seven hour deposition.

• 2:35:47Speaker 01

  The guy was yelling, are you God Pan? My attorney's going, objection, right? But in a deposition, there's no ruling. You just get to enter this, objection. Right, so they wanted to know about my cult. And was I running a cult and were there goats involved? And drugs involved and virgin?

• 2:36:12Speaker 01

  Uh, Catholic girls. Oh, God, that was the good part. I was like, oh, you guys are sick. Right? But it's made for good fiction.

• 2:36:21Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 2:36:22Speaker 01

  Right? And that's why the objections, objection, objection. Right? Oh, God, people were saying I was floating. I was floating.

• 2:36:31Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I read that.

• 2:36:32Speaker 01

  So, okay, anyway, that was the dirty part. Let's not talk about that dirty part. I did dirty things floating around.

• 2:36:39Danny Jones?

  Yeah, apparently you did, allegedly.

• 2:36:42Speaker 01

  Dude, you know, that's inadmissible. You're right. It's the perfect, you've got the perfect alibi. If you can harness that incubus, fly across time and space to ravage the maidens and sororities. Oh, God. Who would not? Steve, come on, man, let's go. Let's go. Tonight, I'll show you, and you and me.

• 2:37:05Speaker 02

  You'll, you'll teach me the ways.

• 2:37:06Speaker 01

  I will. I will. I love it.

• 2:37:09Danny Jones?

  All right. That's all, folks. Thank you, Amen. That was fantastic.

• 2:37:14Speaker 01

  Danny, I want to thank you, and I want to tell all, all of people, the congregation of Satan, please, from Lady Babylon, please, tell Danny thank you. Put it in your comments and tell him, Danny, you're so sexy, right? We want, we want these. No, it's important, Danny, because the people have been telling me they hunger, just like I do. They hunger for the feast. Please bring me a New Testament scholar, please. Please bring me two, Danny, if you can, bring me a couple. Right? And it will be absolutely delicious, and it won't just be me feasting. It will be the congregation feasting as well. I want you to know, they constantly, they've been harping on me. What are you gonna do? When, when is it coming, Danny?

• 2:37:58Speaker 01

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• 2:38:11Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 2:38:12Speaker 01

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  Hail Satan. Good night, everybody.

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