#410 - “A Demon Called Me” Ex-Freemason Comes Clean on Secret Societies | Sean Stone

Watch every episode ad-free & uncensored on Patreon: https://patreon.com/dannyjones Sean Stone is a filmmaker, author, actor, and son of Oliver Stone. Sean explains the occult architecture behind global elites and his experience being initiated into Freemasonry. SPONSORS https://superpower.com - Use code DANNY at checkout for $20 off your membership. https://amentara.com/go/dj - Use code DJP22 for 22% off your first order. https://shopify.com/dannyjones - You don’t need a real job. Build your own business with a free trial today. https://whiterabbitenergy.com/?ref=DJP - Use code DJP for 20% off. EPISODE LINKS https://www.seanstone.info @TheRealSeanStone FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjones https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 00:00 - Growing up with Oliver Stone's movies 04:36 - Bin Laden was CIA 08:30 - War is what unifies society 14:40 - We've been lied to about Islam 23:18 - The Illuminati started the mafia 27:03 - Who was REALLY behind JFK's death 36:15 - Evidence JFK's death was a military coup 42:54 - Mary's Monkey & cancer weapons 44:20 - Destroyed JFK files & the Israeli motive 54:33 - Arnon Milchan & the Bibi Files 56:58 - "Netanyahu is a sociopath" 01:00:41 - Scenes cut from "Eyes Wide Shut" 01:03:03 - The technology lie behind the moon landing 01:09:15 - Military craft started the Palisades Fire 01:17:05 - Psychological operations & election fraud 01:21:42 - Silicon Valley's spiritual war 01:28:25 - Freemasonry & ghost hunting 01:33:41 - Church of the Freemasons 01:36:31 - Theory aliens come from occult portals 01:43:18 - Enochian Magic rituals 01:50:35 - The Initiated bloodline families who control the world 01:54:08 - 10 things to learn 01:58:14 - Roman cults of power 02:08:47 - The skull of Mary Magdalene & Hitler's jaw 02:10:18 - Hitler escaped the bunker 02:15:13 - Psychedelics & consciousness Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:06Danny Jones?

  Your dad's movies on the history of the United States were my initiation into like the truth about American foreign policy and the history of America.

• 1:14Speaker 03

  That's what I grew up with.

• 1:16Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that's how I got into all this stuff. I mean, regardless of school, which I didn't pay attention to.

• 1:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, that was kind of my experience of, you know, talking, you know, my conversations with him back in the 90s. Because he loves history. And, you know, he would encourage me. And he'd have like, you know, William Blum's book about the CIA and, you know, black ops, that kind of stuff. And I would read it. And we'd travel the world too. We went to like, in 2000, we went to Serbia and Kosovo and saw, you know, the aftermath of the US bombing, right? Of Belgrade and the war there. And then, you know, and then 2001, we went to Israel and...

• 2:04Speaker 03

  West Bank, my dad was trying to interview Arafat for a documentary he was doing called Persoonanon Greta. And so I was with him when he was interviewing Netanyahu and Perez and Barak. And we went and talked to some guys from Hamas. We talked to, we interviewed Al-Aqsa martyr brigade guys. They had to, we were in Ramallah on the West Bank and they had to literally like, put us in a black van. So we didn't know where we were, drive us into the city.

• 2:31Danny Jones?

  Whoa.

• 2:32Speaker 03

  Going blindfolded. You know, the guys wore masks during the interview. Like, you know, we had, so stuff like that, you know, that was part of my education as a kid.

• 2:40Danny Jones?

  Wow dude, what a crazy experience for you. What were you in your, like, your early twenties back then?

• 2:44Speaker 03

  I was sixteen.

• 2:45Danny Jones?

  Sixteen years old, doing this shit with your dad?

• 2:48Speaker 03

  It was 2002, sorry. That was right after 9/11, yeah.

• 2:50Danny Jones?

  Holy shit dude. What a wild upbringing.

• 2:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:55Danny Jones?

  What like a way to shape your view of the world, like so early in life?

• 2:59Speaker 03

  Like, it gave me a lot of perspective, you know, and a lot of contrast when you travel. Cause I was, you know, I grew up traveling, you know, at six months, we were in Mexico doing Salvador. A year, we were doing platoon in the Philippines. Two years doing, two years old doing Wall Street in New York. Three was like talk radio and Born on the Fourth of July, which was Dallas and back to Philippines. So, you know, five, and then it's like five was, five, six was the Doors, seven was JFK. So it was like, yeah, I mean, I was being formed by a lot of political films, right?

• 3:31Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:32Speaker 03

  And story, you know, stories that were counter to the mainstream narrative. So I was, you know, by the time I was like sixteen in high school, I was writing my thesis paper on like, and this was right after 9/11. I was like writing my thesis paper on like how our policy was actually fomenting Islamic terrorism.

• 3:46Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 3:47Speaker 03

  That was like in senior, like a senior.

• 3:50Danny Jones?

  Sixteen years old.

• 3:51Speaker 03

  Senior in high school, not even in college.

• 3:55Speaker 03

  Like how our foreign policy was like overthrowing, you know, not, it was overthrowing nationalists and promoting like the Muslim Brotherhood type of groups, you know, which is really what, you know, what still was going on all the way to like, you know, through ISIS and the overthrow of Gaddafi in Libya. I mean, it's always been that policy. It's been like overthrowing you when it's a nationalist, it's like pro-sovereignty and a strong leader. You know, Nassr was one of the prime examples, you know. It's like, let's foment the Muslim Brotherhood against Nassr back in the 50s and 60s. And all of a sudden, the Muslim Brotherhood becomes this terrorist network that, you know, to this day, I would say it's still terroristic and it's, it's orientation. But it's, you know, people, people think that this is like,

• 4:37Speaker 03

  that this is some kind of Islamic thing. And it's like, yeah, I mean, it has Islamic elements, but Islam is a very vast religion. You know, people don't even realize the, the biggest Islamic country in the world is, well, the most Muslims in the world are in India. And the biggest Islamic country in the world is Indonesia. So, you know, not many terrorists coming out of the biggest country in the world, you know, it's, they're mostly peaceful people. It's like, but you get these groups that are oriented towards jihad, but a lot of them are like operating under the auspices of US, British, Israeli intelligence, oftentimes working with Saudis, Pakistani intelligence, whatnot, you know, kind of like the Taliban and the, pre-Taliban, the Mujahideen in the 80s, when we were supporting

• 5:20Speaker 03

  them in Afghanistan, back in the 80s. So it's like, we foment-

• 5:23Danny Jones?

  Yeah, when we were working with Bin Laden.

• 5:25Speaker 03

  We foment the terrorists.

• 5:26Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 5:27Speaker 03

  We allow them, we work with them, we then use them in Bosnia or in other countries where it suits us.

• 5:32Danny Jones?

  And we discard them when they're no longer valuable to us.

• 5:34Speaker 03

  I don't know if we ever discard them.

• 5:36Danny Jones?

  Well, we discarded Bin Laden, right? Allegedly. You think Bin Laden's still alive?

• 5:40Speaker 03

  I don't know who Bin Laden is.

• 5:43Danny Jones?

  What do you mean you don't know who Bin Laden is?

• 5:45Speaker 03

  Do you remember with Oswald, in the Kennedy assassination, there were multiple Oswalds, people spotted and had like seen different Oswalds. He was, he was basically CIA, right? It was, it was either, it was probably, probably initially like naval intelligence because he came out of the Marines. He was a Marine.

• 6:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 6:03Speaker 03

  But you know, he gets, he goes over to Russia. He defects to Russia.

• 6:06Danny Jones?

  Defects, yeah.

• 6:07Speaker 03

  Goes to Russia, marries a Russian daughter of like a military man, like a general or something. Comes back to the US. You don't think he's working for intelligence the entire time? And if he's not working for intelligence, he's being monitored by intelligence the entire time? So before the assassination, and this is in the film, like the film JFK gets into it, it's like there are multiple spottings of Oswald, but it doesn't look, doesn't look the same as Oswald. It's like a second Oswald because the, the locations don't match up. They've got like a guy at the gun range who's like firing, like who's like shooting it like, and he's like, ah, I wish it was that sucker Kennedy, you know, that kind of shit. He's like saying stuff.

• 6:43Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 6:43Speaker 03

  To draw attention. So it gives you the indication that Oswald was, like they were already basically having like multiple Oswald sightings so that you can potentially use him as a patsy later. And with Bin Laden, I feel like, you know, he was CIA in the, at some point between the eighties and nineties. Some people saw him as Tim Osman. You ever heard that name?

• 7:04Danny Jones?

  Sounds familiar.

• 7:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, there was, they basically like people like Michael Reconchudo, who was like a fascinating guy working with intel. He went to prison for a while, but he met Tim Osman and he's like, yeah, that's all, that was Osama bin Laden, but his CIA name was Osman. And he was like over here at different points, working with, you know, training or let's say, working with our intel communities. So I don't know who Bin Laden is. I don't know if it's like what was killed was just one of the dummies or, you know, or just some guy that they said was Bin Laden, but I think it's just an intelligence operation.

• 7:34Danny Jones?

  I always thought the story of him being dumped off the ship was very odd.

• 7:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, let's kill the most like wanted guy in the world and dump his body so no one can actually identify it.

• 7:43Danny Jones?

  Yeah, all the, all the answers I've been given to that question when I've asked it never seemed to add up. Like, yeah, why are you questioning this? No one cares. You know, who cares? We had, we had pictures, we didn't, no one wanted to, we didn't, we didn't want to provoke them anymore. We wanted to give him a proper, a proper burial or whatever.

• 7:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, the whole thing reeks and then like even like the whole dipping of like, then the story is that now people are circulating that he was actually being protected by the Iranians before he went to Pakistan. And you just. It's like, it's one of those things where it's the boogeyman, you know, whenever you, whatever the intel community wants to create a boogeyman, you know, you need these type of things, you know, like ISIS or whatnot, right? And some of those guys were, you know, were in our prisons, for example, right? Weren't some of those guys in our prisons during the Iraq war, then they get released and they pop up. And the main guy, I remember, I can't remember which one is the head of the ISIS, people were saying like, yeah, who was spotted with John McCain when McCain went over, right? And like, he was seen with

• 8:43Speaker 03

  this guy in photos. And then all of a sudden, he becomes the head of ISIS. So again, it become, it's like, I always put it like this, terrorism, just like gangs, just like drugs, is not like some like foreign thing. It's all under the nose of enforcement, law enforcement, police, you know, it's like any neighborhood, right? Police know who the gangsters are. Same with the intel community, you know? And when they want someone to operate, as in London, for example, they wrote a whole book, Londonistan, the British are letting all these Muslims come in. It's like they're running them, you know, they're basically letting these clerics who are proselytizing for jihad and whatnot, they let them operate

• 9:24Speaker 03

  under their noses, because that's how you, either they're on the payroll or they're being monitored because they want to foment radical Islam, because, you know, you need an enemy.

• 9:36Danny Jones?

  Because you need an enemy.

• 9:38Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, I mean, there was like a report from Iron Mountain that people don't know to this day, like if it was a real report or not, but it's pretty interesting to read it. You can find it online. And one of the great quotes is that the unifying, it's like, what is it? The unifying ethos, no, like the unifying ethos of a society essentially is for war. The unifying, like, it unifies a society is war.

• 10:04Speaker 03

  So ever since forty seven, the US takes over as basically the superpower of the world. We create the national security state. That's what we are. You know, it's a national security state. You gotta justify having a total surveillance society, having a, you know, a society devoted to overthrowing governments, which we've done, you know, over seventy, what, like seventy plus coups and, right, operations in countries all over the world. You need to, you need to have a bad guy, you need to have a villain. And the Soviets played that role for, you know, what, fifty years roughly? Right. And then, at the time that the Soviet Union was collapsing, around the time of, you know, seventies and eighties, you have the arc of crisis.

• 10:46Speaker 03

  That was Huntington, Brzezinski, in like, within Carter's, they became part of Carter's administration essentially, but these are like Trilateral Commission guys. And they're promoting the idea of what Huntington called the Clash of Civilizations. So basically, everyone can be turned against each other. And there's nothing like, once you, once you lose the communists, right, it became more cultural and religious. And his whole thing was like, there are these countries that are fault lines, like Yugoslavia, which basically starts to get blown up by the eighties and nineties, right? And that's like, Yugoslavia is a country that has Slavs, Croatians, Slovaks, I mean, it has different ethnicities, but it also has religions.

• 11:27Speaker 03

  It has Catholics, East Orthodox, Muslims. And one of the easiest things to foment is Islam versus the West. So countries like Lebanon get blown up, countries like Yugoslavia. In, in Afghanistan, it's, it's working with the Muslims against, against the communists. In Iran, you, we foment, we essentially back Houmeni to take over. Yeah. Against the secular regime. As I said, that's been a strategy, going back to the, the middle, always, the British in the Middle East have always played this kind of hand. So the Shah gets overthrown and you get a Muslim Shia fanatics who are pitted against

• 12:12Speaker 03

  the Sunnis in Arabia and the rest of the Middle East. You see, so like everywhere you go.

• 12:17Danny Jones?

  Because we thought that they would be able to deal with Saddam Hussein's.

• 12:22Speaker 03

  It's a balance.

• 12:22Danny Jones?

  And that completely didn't work at all.

• 12:24Speaker 03

  Well, it worked for it worked for a bloody war. I mean, we supported we we gave the chemical, biological arms, all kinds of stuff to Saddam to fight Iran for eight bloody years of conflict. Probably millions, what millions of people died in that war. And then at the end of the war, we turn around and we say, okay, Saddam, we're going to check your military power.

• 12:42Danny Jones?

  I just had Scott Horton in here telling me the whole story about this guy named Chalabi, who like sold us the.

• 12:48Speaker 03

  Curveball? Yeah, what's he called? Curveball? Chalabi?

• 12:51Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, Chalabi. So like two bit con man who was trying to.

• 12:55Speaker 03

  They were going to prop him up at one point as to be like the new president.

• 12:57Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 12:58Speaker 03

  Of Iraq when they overthrow Saddam, but I don't think that was ever a real plan. I think that was just being like proposed as a possible, the same way like we're talking about putting a Palavi back in in Iran. There's not like there's not a that's not a realistic play. You're not going to bring some guy from outside to like.

• 13:13Danny Jones?

  John Kerry actually said he wouldn't survive the walk from the plane from the tarmac to the terminal.

• 13:18Speaker 03

  Palavi?

• 13:19Danny Jones?

  Yeah, when he when he got back, when he if he makes it back to Iran.

• 13:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:23Danny Jones?

  He won't survive. He won't even make it out of the airport alive.

• 13:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, look, I mean, the Iranians, I mean, a lot of these guys are much more like pro Iran than I am. I'm not I'm not like pro regime. I don't like the Islamic Republic. I wish we would go back to a more secular, you know, rule in that country and and frankly in the world. I mean, but the point is that since the 70s and 80s, we've been fomenting along with British, the British intelligence groups, the Israelis, we've been fomenting these conflicts because, as I said, it's the easiest way to to create conflict is to is to go around religious fault lines, you know, it's like, and then, you know, even now, I mean, to this day, like we've got cartels and things operating and people are more freaked out about Islam in America than they are about the cartels. It's pretty crazy.

• 14:07Danny Jones?

  Literally running around in our forests.

• 14:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's pretty crazy.

• 14:09Danny Jones?

  In California.

• 14:10Speaker 03

  It's pretty crazy, you know, and it's like in Texas, they're more like they're not waiting waiting a war on the cartels. They're more freaked out by Islamics who are like. Less than 5% of the population.

• 14:19Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 14:19Speaker 03

  You know, because religion is just so easy to get people on that fear.

• 14:23Danny Jones?

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• 15:44Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 15:44Danny Jones?

  Beck's great. I love Beck. But when he was on the podcast a couple of months ago now, you know, because it's one, a lot of people that I know and a lot of people you talk to, it just seems like there is this very strong misunderstanding about, like, even, I'm very ignorant to it too, of Islam, because we've been sold this idea of Islamic jihadists, you know, bombers our whole lives since 9/11. It's like, it's so deeply rooted in our psyche in America, right? And then when you talk to somebody like Beck, who's, is explaining like, no, it's not, it's more compatible than, with Christianity than Judaism.

• 16:24Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 16:25Danny Jones?

  And, you know, these, it's been hijacked, this narrative, they, you took this narrative and they hijacked Islam to paint this narrative to Americans, to make us fear.

• 16:34Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, I mean, just go to the essence, to me, like, the main point.

• 16:41Speaker 03

  Is that Muslims honor Jesus as essentially as a Messiah. He's basically born, he's born of a virgin. They honor the Virgin Mary. I mean, you read the Quran and the Quran is all the story of Abraham, the story of Moses, the story of the Jewish prophets, right? So it's basically the Old Testament re-packaged.

• 16:59Danny Jones?

  I've never read any of it.

• 16:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, that's not all of it, but the most of it is like derived from the Old Testament stories. And a lot of, I mean, really just, it's like Old Testament meets New Testament. It reminds me of like, like the Arian heresy or one of these heresies that occurred in the, in early Catholic, in early Christianity, basically before the Catholic Church had codified with like Nicene and whatnot, had codified the religion. There were various sects that were like, I think there were like the Arians and others that basically saw Christ as a divine emissary, but not, they wouldn't say Christ is God. They'd be like, you're a divine emissary, you're, you know, but you're, God cannot be like, you, you can't be God and God is the creator of all. And, you know, like you're an extension of your son.

• 17:40Danny Jones?

  Couldn't be capital G God.

• 17:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, it gets confusing. It's like, we're all God's children, but Christ is the special one. I mean, it gets like, so they, they kind of ignored all that to say like, no, Christ is a divine emissary. He's able to work miracles. He's, he has the Holy Spirit. He's of a virgin. But because of that mentality, um, I think the Muslims basically took that, that, that theology. And that's why Islam honors Jesus. Now, obviously there's, like I told you, like Indonesia is the biggest Muslim country in the world. Population wise, almost 200 million Muslims. Majority, you know, are not jihadists. Majority, in fact, like one of probably one of the more peaceful societies.

• 18:22Speaker 03

  Um, and then you get, you know, like the Muslims of the modern, like of the Middle East that a lot of them are Arabic. And it's a different cultural thing, you know, like anything, like you talk about, people think. The, okay, like the hijab. I mean, first of all, like, why you guys freaked out about hijab? Nuns do the same thing. It's like a spiritual, it's a spiritual, it's a spiritual practice. Now, I don't agree with forcing women to wear a hijab like Iran was doing. Apparently, they've laid off now. Like, I don't think you should force someone to. But the idea of wearing a hijab shouldn't be something scary, considering that it's, obviously, goes back for a reason. The nuns would do that for a reason. They also cover their hair for a reason. That goes back to that tradition in that region. You know, the Jews do as well.

• 19:06Speaker 03

  The Orthodox Jews do the same, like, as far as covering the, you know, the headscarves and things like this. This has to do with, like, regional traditions. And then you get, like, the veil, which, you know, again, is more of, to me, to my understanding, is more of like a traditional thing, going back to like desert Bedouin-type of peoples, you know?

• 19:26Danny Jones?

  Now, when it comes to things like imprisoning people for converting from Islam to Christianity, is that like only in Iran? Or is that only a Shia thing?

• 19:34Speaker 03

  No, I mean, look, technically, technically, conversion, well, there's a couple of things. I mean, one, there's supposed to be no compulsion in religion. That's in the Quran. There should be no compulsion in religion. So the fact that any society is operating on this religious compulsion thing is, to me, it's like, it's wrong. And it's, again, it's used for power. But as far as conversion, like, yes, if you, like, leave Islam, yeah, you can be punished for that, which I also think is, it's wrong.

• 20:03Danny Jones?

  Is that in the Quran, do you know?

• 20:05Speaker 03

  I think it's in the Quran. It's either Quran or Hadiths. So I, but either way, it's, I don't think it's the right approach. You know, I don't think that these things, you know, again, there's different, there's different extremes when it comes to Islamic interpretation. And that's why I'm saying, like, so much of the conflict that we have seems to be, is not all of us, not all coming from the West, but I'm saying that we have literally worked to promote Islamic extremism. I mean, you go back to, like, the British. The British in the region, the British put the Saudis, which were a habsist, more extreme, you know, version of Islam, they put the Saudis in control of Arabia. That was supposed to go in, remember in Lawrence of Arabia, the movie, they're gonna go into

• 20:49Speaker 03

  some of this politics of like the different tribes. And then the Hashemite, who is played by Alec Guinness, I believe in the film, instead of getting Arabia, which was what he expected, they gave him Jordan. And like basically Transjordan and what was like then like, you know, Palestine. So, a lot of this is just like empires coming in, carving stuff up and then saying, okay, you know, we're giving Israel to the Jews, we're giving, you know, Syria, Lebanon to the French, Palestine was being overseen by the British.

• 21:22Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 21:23Speaker 03

  So again, it's like, all this kind of gerrymandering, right?

• 21:27Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 21:28Speaker 03

  Going on.

• 21:29Danny Jones?

  Yeah, well, I actually, one of my friends actually sent me this video on Instagram. I'm gonna send this to you, Steve, so you can play this. And it was, it was showing how, like, less than three years after World War II ended, that Israel was poisoning waterways and villages with typhoid. And like, like, it's just so crazy that the people who just got done, having this stuff done to them, turn around that fast and immediately start doing it to other people.

• 22:01Speaker 03

  People have, if people are interested, I mean, people have heard about the Nakba, essentially the expulsion of the Palestinians or the local Muslims from, you know, from, from what was then Israel.

• 22:11Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 22:12Speaker 03

  It was planned, Dalet was the operation. And there's been some very good books written about historical, you know, based on historical documents and evidence about the expulsion. And it was done, you know, sometimes execution and murder, but mostly it was done by things like that, poisoning of wells, driving people from their villages. And, you know, there's a lot of grievance around that. That's why, you know, it's like, I don't agree with Hamas saying, you know, let's exterminate Israel. And Iran, having that ideology is very dangerous, is destabilizing for the region. But the truth is, you know, Iran is currently destabilizing the region, but Israel has also, you know, has been a destabilizing force since its inception, because it was based

• 22:53Speaker 03

  on, you know, on a conquest, on a war, which unlike most wars... The refugees didn't have a right to return. And that's what people don't understand. That's what's different. Most war, if based on conquest, the refugees have a right to return. Israel can't give them the right to return because then they will become a minority. Jews will become a minority in their own country. So they will not give the expelled Palestinians the right to return to their villages, their land, you know, their olive trees, all that they had basically cultivated for hundreds, if not thousands of years. And that's why this war is so entrenched in that region. We've been entrenched in the quagmire since 48, essentially.

• 23:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah, Tim Dillon had a great bit on his episode the other day. He was explaining how America is Carmella from The Sopranos and Israel is Tony Soprano. And we're meeting with the shrink, trying to explain like, he's cheating on me. He has all of these broads that he's banging and all I do is do his laundry. And that's how, it was fucking hilarious. But like, we are, we're Carmella from The Sopranos.

• 24:03Speaker 03

  I never watched, I never got into that show. I'm not a big like, I don't know, I was never that much into like the gangster culture. I love Godfather, but to me, it was more a story of family than gangsterism.

• 24:15Danny Jones?

  Yeah, no, yeah, it was just a, it was just a classic show. But the gangster, I mean, the mafia stuff has been like an integral part of the history of this country, you know, and like the special ops stuff and all the covert ops. Like even JFK, I mean, there's a huge like mafia involvement in all that stuff, which is crazy.

• 24:31Speaker 03

  Somebody, you know, an old, he's from one of those families. He told me, he said, look, the mafia were basically started being sent here by what he called the Illuminati. And the Illuminati are like, his way of understanding is like the old banking families of Europe, like the real, you know, the real owners of Europe, right? And it was basically about collecting on finance. Like they were investing in America and the mob, this, you know, especially like the Sicilian type, you know, mafia and whatnot, like they were enforcers to make sure that the labor unions weren't getting out of control. Because that's what the mob does. They controlled unions, right?

• 25:11Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 25:12Speaker 03

  To make sure that the labor wasn't getting out of control, that, to ensure that, yeah, productivity continued and that's, you know, basically that the debts got paid. And then. By the 60s, so yeah, you mentioned Kennedy. So like Kennedy, Kennedy family, Joe Kennedy. I mean, apparently they were working, you know, with bootleggers, which mob, you know, which basically mob elements, right? Bootlegging back in the 20s when alcohol was illegal. And then, so, you know, basically Joe Kennedy and company were like, you know, asking for the support of the mafia, Giancana, people like that. When JFK ran, even though RFK

• 25:52Speaker 03

  had been this watchdog on, you know, when he was RFK was at the Justice Department.

• 26:00Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 26:00Speaker 03

  Right? And he was, I think, who did he expel? Did he, he didn't send Giancana? He sent one of those guys down to like Guatemala, Honduras, or Venezuela or something, you know, like deported him. So, you know, basically, you know, he was, I mean, he obviously went after Hoffa and whatnot. But, you know, there was a lot of betrayal from the mob, you know, because JFK basically reneged. He didn't, he didn't take Cuba back, you know, he, JFK came in, he allowed, I get into this in my RFK legacy documentary, JFK as president, basically like, you know, he comes in, he allows Dulles, who's running the CIA, to run this operation to try to, you know, send like a thousand guys into Cuba to overthrow Castro.

• 26:45Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 26:46Speaker 03

  It was a joke. I mean, it was basically Dulles knew the operation was never going to work with a few, you know, a thousand guys. It was, the intention was to-

• 26:56Danny Jones?

  They needed air support, right? And he canceled that last minute.

• 26:58Speaker 03

  It wasn't just that. It was like, the intention really was, it was like, it was almost like a, give me, you know, give me an inch and take a mile. Dulles wanted Kennedy to commit. He felt like if, if he would do air support and then anything basically, he would then escalate. The intention was, let me start with a small invasion and then rather than have egg on my face for this debacle, commit the US Army to go in and overthrow Castro. That was Dulles's intention.

• 27:29Speaker 03

  And JFK was too smart. He said, no, that's it. So he pulled, you know, therefore, he actually allowed the airstrikes. It was some kind of delay. There was a mistake. It was a miscommunication. The airstrikes didn't get there on time. But Kennedy realized what they were trying to do. They're trying to bait him, his own intelligence community. And rather than get baited into a full-on invasion, US invasion, he said, no, we're not, you know, and obviously, the Cubans were pissed. They didn't overthrow Castro, but the mafia was pissed too, because those were their casinos in Cuba, right? And like, they want, you know, they wanted the island back. So, so everyone hated JFK at that point. And anyway, so the mob was certainly an element in the assassination, but I don't think that they were the controlling element necessarily.

• 28:13Danny Jones?

  What is your 30,000-foot, mile-high view of the JFK thing? What do you think that was? Do you think there's any simple way to distill what that was about? Or do you think it's just too much of a hornet's nest?

• 28:25Speaker 03

  No, it's not just a hornet's nest. I think it's a gateway drug. I think everyone should look at it.

• 28:29Danny Jones?

  There's so many flavors of it.

• 28:30Speaker 03

  Everyone should get high on it.

• 28:31Danny Jones?

  Yeah, and I agree.

• 28:34Speaker 03

  You start opening up that, that portal, and you look at a lot of things. You look at the relationship of CIA with mafia, and how we, how entwined, entangled they were, you know, and that whole, again, like, the dynamic of power, essentially, right? And the nature of power in America. So, you've got CIA mafia relationships, you've got the military-industrial complex, you know, the Pentagon and all that, wanting Kennedy to commit to war in Vietnam, which, you know, they're like, look, if Kennedy won't even overthrow Castro, who's like 90 miles away, and he, you know, he clearly has said he

• 29:18Speaker 03

  doesn't see the Vietnam Civil War, it was North Vietnam and South Vietnam at the time, he doesn't see us supporting South Vietnam with too many troops. They had a certain number of advisors at that point, a few thousand troops, like more special forces types. But Kennedy was like, it's a civil war, you know, they got to figure it out for themselves. So, he was never going to commit to like a full war in Vietnam, the way that Johnson did. You've got the Federal Reserve bankers, Kennedy was

• 29:47Speaker 03

  He did transition us in sixty-two to issuing currency from the treasury for the first time. So like, yeah, some of those, some of the money being issued in sixty-two was actually from our treasury. And there was a executive order based on his relationship with Indonesia with, that was Sukarno at the time, because of the gold, that they were gonna basically use the gold, I think from Indonesia. This goes back to World War II gold that the Japanese had stolen. Like, the whole, there's a whole story around that, that we got our hands on it. But essentially, Kennedy was gonna use the gold to back dollars coming out of the treasury. And there was, at that sixty-two, some, some money issue for the treasury for the first time since Lincoln had done it.

• 30:28Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow.

• 30:29Speaker 03

  So bypassing the Federal Reserve, which, all our money comes from the Federal Reserve. It's all issued at, you know, with interest as a loan from the Fed, right? All of our debt. So it's that, you know, it's actually starts with debt owed to the, interest owed to the Federal Reserve. So, that's a private bank. Anyway, so the point being, Kennedy was bypassed, was interested in bypassing that and bringing it back to constitutional money, which is gold and silver, is the only constitutional money. And it's only, you know, all currency is supposed to be issued from the treasury, not from a private bank.

• 30:58Danny Jones?

  Interesting.

• 30:59Speaker 03

  So, there's that, there's the alien question, because Kennedy was interested in the UFOs and the little, the little men or whatever they had discovered. And there's some pillow talk. At one point, I read, I mean, it was like him and Marilyn, like, notes from like an FBI or whatnot, FBI, I think it was an FBI.

• 31:17Danny Jones?

  Marilyn Monroe?

• 31:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was like an FBI transcript of their conversation and Kennedy mentioning, like, to her, like, what do you think, should I disclose, should I, you know, could I disclose that there's, you know, these like beings, essentially, you know, alien life on Earth? So there's that component.

• 31:34Danny Jones?

  He roasted her?

• 31:35Speaker 03

  Well, he mentioned, they were being monitored, you know, FBI was monitoring their convo's. Angleton, probably from CIA, was probably monitoring. I mean, everyone is curious, obviously, what the president says and knows. So there's all these different elements to the Kennedy assassination, when you start, like, looking at it, going, who killed him? Because it's such a... It's such a plot that you imagine that everyone wanted, everyone wanted him dead. Everyone was happy to see him go, right?

• 32:03Danny Jones?

  There's lots of motives.

• 32:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, so that's why, you know, when you read stuff like, you know, from people who say that they were there and you get like mafia hitmen and you've got people like Howard Hunt who confessed on his deathbed to his son that he was there.

• 32:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, various CIA operatives, you know, but the question of who organized it. There's been some suspicion about various CIA guys.

• 32:28Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 32:29Speaker 03

  That were running it and ultimately was Alan Bellis the controller or could it have been outsourced to

• 32:34Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 32:35Speaker 03

  Foreign power, I mean, goes, and I think without, without like having direct knowledge, you know, of who gave the command, it's very difficult to speculate.

• 32:46Danny Jones?

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• 33:30Danny Jones?

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• 34:04Speaker 03

  I don't think he did, I don't know if he did it with Timothy, but Timothy gave him LSD. It was Mary. It was, she was married to a CIA guy.

• 34:11Speaker 04

  Mary Pincott Meyer.

• 34:13Speaker 03

  Mary Meyer, Mary Pincott Meyer. Was it Pincott?

• 34:16Speaker 04

  Pin- Pincott, yeah.

• 34:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, she was married to Corden Meyer, who was one of these CIA operations guys.

• 34:21Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 34:21Speaker 03

  That was.

• 34:22Danny Jones?

  And she was whacked after this, right?

• 34:25Speaker 03

  She got killed.

• 34:25Danny Jones?

  Didn't she get killed like out on a jog or something?

• 34:28Speaker 03

  Yes, she was jogging or walking jogging in the DC area and someone came up and killed her. She, again, she knew too much. So, yeah, I think, and Cord died too. He killed himself, I think. But he was one of these guys that was operating, you know, overthrowing people, you know, overthrowing Mossadegh in Iran and, you know, our Bens in Guatemala, like, you know, he was operational with CIA.

• 34:53Speaker 03

  But as far, another element, speaking of drugs, was, this is my friend who's like, again, like, from one of the mafia families, he said that the mob was moving to really push, you know, drugs big time by the sixties, right? That was gonna be, as we saw, like, the explosion in the, first it was, well, cocaine to a certain extent, but heroin and then coke and crack, right? Seventies into the eighties, talking heroin, coke and crack became like the big, big drugs in the US. And that was, the mafia, the mafia was, do you remember like in Godfather, the first one? When they're having that conversation and they're basically like, we don't, we, you know,

• 35:36Speaker 03

  we can't start selling heroin and drugs. We can't start selling drugs, basically, to our, you know, communities. Like, only the blacks will take it, remember?

• 35:44Danny Jones?

  Right, yeah.

• 35:45Speaker 03

  They're like, yeah, the blacks will take it. We don't have to worry about it. And it's like, I don't know, like, once you start bringing it, you know, it's gonna destroy us. And that was why there's a falling out. And that was true. That was a real falling out in the mafia. Like, Genovese and people like that were like big into the heroin trafficking. And that was, again, CIA mafia connection going back. So.

• 36:09Speaker 03

  Again, you've got like the Marseille, you know, Corsican connection, right? But you've also got a huge pipe, you know, basically a huge market from Vietnam, which is why they wanted the Golden Triangle heroin. And that becomes then, you know, a major export during the Vietnam War is, uh, is, yeah, is heroin, opium, all that stuff, right? And, uh, yeah, so again, if Kennedy doesn't, if Kennedy doesn't commit to the Vietnam War, it's gonna be harder to get that easy access, that cheap access to the, to the heroin. And then thereafter also, um, they were already looking at South America, Bolivia, and places like this for the cocaine.

• 36:50Speaker 03

  So it was already strategized that the drugs were gonna play a huge role in the international black, like, what do you call it? Like black fin, black ops and black fin, like

• 36:59Danny Jones?

  Financing shit that they can't get through Congress, right?

• 37:01Speaker 03

  Off books financing, right? You want off books money, talk, you know, guns, uh, drugs, human trafficking. I would say probably the three biggest.

• 37:15Danny Jones?

  Yeah, and so I had, um, I was familiar with John Newman.

• 37:19Speaker 03

  Sounds familiar.

• 37:20Danny Jones?

  John Newman wrote like, I don't know how many JFK books, at least, at least two dozen JFK books. And, um, I believe he was a consultant on the first JFK film that you got, you're not done.

• 37:35Danny Jones?

  And he's been writing stuff ever since, he's an old dude. He works at, um, older guy, works at George Washington. So he's somewhere up there, one of those schools up there. And, um, he was basically telling me when he was on here that his whole view of the whole Kennedy thing was that it was a, a military coup. And that like all the Joint Chiefs were conspiring against him, including like Lemaizer and, Taylor. And, uh, so essentially his view is it was a military coup and the CIA was just to cover up. And one of the smoking gun pieces of evidence he found, uh, was he, he found a CIA cable

• 38:15Danny Jones?

  from the Mexico City desk to Langley or whatever. And what it was, was

• 38:25Danny Jones?

  An indication of a flash, an FBI flash stop being taken off Oswald's file the day before Kennedy was shot. And Oswald being a defector and being there, being on that, on the route where, where the president was, he says Oswald being on that route is the equivalence to a flea being at a Lysol convention. With all of the, everyone that was watching him 24/7.

• 38:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:52Danny Jones?

  So the fact that the CIA acknowledged that his FBI flash stop was being taken off of his file.

• 38:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:59Danny Jones?

  The day before is extremely suspicious. So he got ahold of the, of the CIA officer who was the one who signed off on that cable, that CIA cable, and he went and interviewed her before she died.

• 39:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:13Danny Jones?

  And I forget exactly what his response, what her response was to him, but she was basically, she basically said, he goes, what's this? What's this mean?

• 39:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:20Danny Jones?

  And she's like, this is very indicative of something that they didn't want anyone to know about, that they're keeping very close to the chest. That's all I'll say.

• 39:32Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, I mean, it wasn't official. I mean, it wasn't like, at the time, who was it? McCone was the head of the CIA and he'd been appointed by Kennedy. So it wasn't like official CIA. We're talking David Harvey guy. David Harvey was one of the, the guys that hated the Kennedy brothers. And he came back from, I think he was in Rome. He was like stationed in Rome, which would indicate like, you know, people like Angleton have, you know, James Angleton was in Rome, like during, at the end of the Second World War, running, helping to run the rat lines of like the Nazis that we were bringing out of, out of Germany, right?

• 40:04Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 40:04Speaker 03

  Into, into America and to, you know, into South America.

• 40:08Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 40:08Speaker 03

  And Harvey came back and he was in the US and people like, you know, people were like, why was he, you know, why was he basically in town for that, for this operation? I mean, so there's, there's the, the old boy network, the old OSS network of like Harvey, Hunt, people like that, right? Who basically, Douglas, who were around from the World War II days. That's why I say some of the operational stuff, people have always speculated like. Um, who was, uh, who was Hitler's favorite, um, favorite SS guy? He's like a, he rescued Mussolini. He's a, he was a, he was a famous SS officer. Um, and he, he got part, he got pulled out from the rat lines as well.

• 40:51Speaker 03

  And, um, who, look up who the SS officer. Officer who rescued Mussolini. Um, and, uh, there is some speculation, Scorsani. Scorsani? Was it Scorsani? There's some speculation like he could have been involved with operationally, like helping oversee it. You know, it's like former. Yeah, Scorsini is a great character in this guy. Scarface, the real Scarface. Um, and, uh, so again, you've got, you know, you're so close to the second world war. You've got like literal, like, you know, real fascists, like real ex Nazis. Because remember that's who was plotting against de Gaulle in France. The same time that Kennedy is killed, he's already, they've already nearly killed de Gaulle multiple times.

• 41:30Speaker 03

  Remember the day of the jackal, the, the book and in the film, based on it was all about these, the various, um, right wing French, you know, all, you know, fascist groups that were trying to take out de Gaulle. Because he had surrendered Algeria essentially, and they looked at him as a traitor. So the same time that these up, so again, it's like these, this kind of, it's more international than just national. I think is the way that I look at it. And because, you know, again, you're the president of the United States. You are, you're having a major impact globally. As I said, you know, drug markets, wars, wars affect finance. It affects, you know, you name everything, weapons, oil. I mean, everything is geared in a sense, you could say, since the second world war.

• 42:11Speaker 03

  Economically, that's why to the day, to this day, we spend what almost a trillion dollars a year on war. You know, between surveillance and security and it's, it's, it's literally an organizing principle of the state. And so to your point about the Mexico cable, it reminds me of The Man Who Knew Too Much, which was a great book by Dick Russell. And that was, uh, who was the CIA officer in that book, The Man Who Knew Too Much? Um, he, he pulls up in a Mexican bank like a week before the assassination, shoots it up, and he basically wants to go to jail because he knows that, that they're gonna kill the president.

• 42:44Danny Jones?

  Oh, yes. I drove, I was, I remember this.

• 42:46Speaker 03

  Oh, sorry. It's not The Man Who Knew Too Much. It's the, um, look up the Dick Russell book. The Man Who, I thought it was The Man Who Knew Too Much.

• 42:53Danny Jones?

  Man who, uh, shoots up bank before Kennedy assassination.

• 42:59Speaker 03

  It's not The Man. It is The Man Who Knew Too Much. You see it at Richard Case Nagel.

• 43:03Danny Jones?

  Yeah, okay. Former US intelligence officer and CIA contact claimed that the KGB hired him to assassinate Lee Harvey Oswald in order to prevent the JFK assassination. What?

• 43:15Speaker 03

  But he got himself arrested by firing a shot in the pelvis. Oh, it was in Texas. Sorry. I thought it was in Mexico. But it's like, I mean, you get stuff like this and you just go, what in the world? People knew. Like, there was a lot of people that knew.

• 43:26Danny Jones?

  Two months before?

• 43:30Danny Jones?

  That's crazy. Yeah, that's insane, dude.

• 43:35Speaker 03

  Right?

• 43:35Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 43:36Speaker 03

  It's a great book. It's worth reading. The Man Who Knew Too Much.

• 43:38Danny Jones?

  There's also another, another fascinating.

• 43:40Speaker 03

  And Dick Russell ended up working with Rob Reiner on their podcast, which they recently did before Rob got killed, about the JFK assassination. That was like the last thing that Rob did, I think.

• 43:52Danny Jones?

  Yeah. There's also that crazy, um, book called Mary's Monkey. Have you heard that one?

• 44:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 44:00Danny Jones?

  That one's wild, too, about all the crazy medical vaccine research with Alton Ochsner and Mary Sherman, who got incinerated by this Linac machine, and they covered up the murder and like.

• 44:11Speaker 03

  What explains something I didn't understand when my dad made JFK. Remember the, um, uh, the Dave Ferry character played by Pesci?

• 44:20Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 44:20Speaker 03

  And he's, he's got cancer, and he's dying, he's dying of cancer, and he's also researching, he's got a bunch of mice in his house, like all these lab.

• 44:29Danny Jones?

  Right, lab rats all over.

• 44:30Speaker 03

  Yeah. And that was because they were doing, they were working with the mice to try to.

• 44:35Danny Jones?

  Cancer weapons, right?

• 44:36Speaker 03

  Well, both to create fast-acting cancers and to prevent it, like how to stop, how to basically create the cancer and to kill the cancer. That's what she was, one of the things that she was working on, fire call.

• 44:47Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that is. And that's, that's the reason that they had that linear accelerator in the, in the basement of that hospital there in New Orleans. And they were basically shooting cancer tumors with that frickin linear accelerator machine. And trying to figure out how to like turbocharge it or find out ways to do weapons. And um, one of the part of that story is that when Oswald went to Mexico City. He was bringing vials of that stuff that they had developed in an attempt to go from Mexico over to Cuba to try to get it to kill Castro with it.

• 45:20Speaker 03

  Well, again, I mean Oswald's being, you know, he seems to be, you know, working with us, but then they would cheap dip him and make him look like he was pro Castro and yeah. But he was, I think he was just an operative, you know, I think he was one of these guys that um, was just probably just saw himself as a soldier, you know, as a good soldier. Um, right till the end. It's too bad those notes were destroyed, right? The ones that, that were taken when he was detained in Dallas, you know, the notes that, you know, of, of the interview. All that's gone. So he was interviewed, remember before he was killed, it was like two days later he was killed.

• 45:53Danny Jones?

  After the shooting. Yeah. So he was interviewed after the shooting before he was killed.

• 45:57Speaker 03

  Exactly. And those, those, those notes are gone. No one, I don't think anyone's seen them. Maybe they, maybe they were hidden, but they.

• 46:04Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Why haven't we, we were supposed to see the JFK files, right? Didn't Trump say he was gonna release all those?

• 46:08Speaker 03

  Well, they have been a lot, but the problem is like, we don't know if all of it's been revealed and released. And then more importantly, like. What's, what's, what hasn't been destroyed? I mean, when Richard Helms, who was the director of the CIA, when he, when he got fired by Nixon, he went and shredded everything.

• 46:26Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 46:26Speaker 03

  And we know, we only know about MKUltra because of like a few boxes, like literally.

• 46:30Danny Jones?

  So if MKUltra wasn't in the first box he burned, that must have been like way tamer than all the shit he did burn.

• 46:36Speaker 03

  I mean, can you imagine like what they probably destroyed so much about the Kennedy, Oswald, all that stuff.

• 46:42Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 46:43Speaker 03

  Right. Roswell. Yeah. Oh, yeah, dude. There's probably so much crazy shit that was burned.

• 46:50Danny Jones?

  What do you got, Steve? Oh, this is the transcripts? Yeah, and then I was talking to John Karayaku a couple of days ago, and he was telling me that like he has people that he knows, sources that tell him that the reason they won't release the rest of the JFK files is because they point to Israel. And then you have the whole Israeli angle of it with the nuclear material and all that stuff.

• 47:13Speaker 03

  Well, so, I mean, the motive, okay, so the, which, yeah, I mean, there's a good book that kind of gets into the Israeli motive. The Israeli motive, I don't doubt. I don't, I mean, Ben-Gurion hated Kennedy.

• 47:26Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 47:27Speaker 03

  Kennedy even talked about, you know, basically said, "Look, you guys should, you should either repatriate the Palestinians who were kicked, who were forced out by the creation of Israel. You should either bring them home to let them settle, or basically give them some kind of, you know, economic ability to rebuild, or, you know, what's it called, reparation, you know, give them reparation." That's, you know, that's, Israelis don't want to do that. So there was that component, and then there was also the Israeli nuclear facility, which they lied about, you know, he was, Kennedy was concerned about nuclear proliferation. And so the fact that Israelis were developing the nuke at that time.

• 48:07Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 48:08Speaker 03

  They certainly did not want inspection, they did not want, yeah, they did not want any, the US to stop them from developing it. So, yeah, I think that there's a motivation. The problem for me is the, the evidence of who, in terms of the people that are pretty clearly involved. You know, again, even you get Howard Hunt giving his deathbed confession to his son about being in Dallas. It's like, okay, so who are the Israeli operatives? Now, you can look at people like Meyer Lansky, who's, you know, Jewish mafia character, very connected to the Italian mob.

• 48:46Speaker 03

  Partnered with, what was his name? The famous, who was Lansky's partner in the mafia? Lucky Luciano, for example, right? That was Lucky's partner, right? So Meyer is one of the, one of the brains of, you know, the mafia in America. So certainly someone like him, and he, you know, he amongst a number of others were supporting the creation of Israel from the beginning. So yeah, you have those elements involved. But as far as the actual like Israeli ability to kill the president.

• 49:23Danny Jones?

  That's not so much.

• 49:24Speaker 03

  Well, that's why I just, I don't know. Like, I haven't seen the evidence for it. People say it, but it's like, okay, you can say anything, but present some evidence to show which elements exactly we're talking about and what their role is in the assassination.

• 49:38Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, that makes total sense. I mean, the only ones that would have had the true ability to do it would be the American military and, you know, with all their connections in the mafia, in organized crime, and you, and also utilizing foreign people.

• 49:52Speaker 03

  Well, it has, it has to be, I mean, even Secret Service has to be told to stand, like, you know, when John, the whole organization of the parade route, the fact that, as you said, like, people like Oswald were working on the parade route and allowed to, you know, allowed to be there. It's like the parade, the fact that the motorcade, the convoy, that they didn't have police bikes next to the president. Johnson said to them, oh, the president wants to, you know, don't obstruct, you know, his view of the crowds, so they're told to come back. Johnson, he tried to switch it up to get Connolly out of the, the front seat.

• 50:31Danny Jones?

  Oh, he did?

• 50:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, because Connolly was his buddy, but he couldn't, he couldn't change that. So Connolly ended up getting shot, not killed. There is a moment even on the tarmac when the plane lands and you can see the video of it where there's one Secret Service guy who's about to go and jump on the side of the president's car, right? There's like a little like a runner on the side, running board, where the security, the security is supposed to be on that running board and he's literally, you can see him being called back on the tarmac. No, no, no. He's like, what's going on? He's like, he's like about to jump on the, on the runner to be right there, positioned to protect the president essentially. And he's called back on the tarmac. So enough people have to be involved with, with the security, with the assassination, with being able to move people in and out. You know, that's the CIA, the pilots. Tosh

• 51:15Speaker 03

  Plumlee just put out a book. He was one of the CIA pilots.

• 51:18Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 51:19Speaker 03

  He talks about, you know, flying in, uh, who did he fly in? Roselli, who was the mobster hunt, uh, Charles Harrison, who was Woody's father, who many people, he was a mob hitman who many people suspected of being there that day, and Charles Nicoletti and another guy. So Tosh talks about who he flew in to Dallas that day. But certainly, I mean, look at, like my dad said in, uh, in JFK, find the 50 best marksmen in the world and find out who was in Dallas that day. Even, even Carlos the Jackal, apparently, one of, one of the Carlos the Jackals, you know, who was famous, like, you know, apparently was there that day. So a lot of, like, a lot of people were there, even if they were as the decoys, even if they were as distractions. If you get that feeling, like it was, this,

• 52:04Speaker 03

  there was no way he was gonna exit alive.

• 52:05Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm. And it seems like he almost kind of knew it was gonna happen. There was that speech, the speech that he made before that was like, I don't remember it word for word, but it was like, it signaled, like, if you, you could translate that speech, it sounded like he knew he wasn't long for the earth.

• 52:22Speaker 03

  Well, he was sick too, don't forget. He was very, uh, he had these, I can't remember what the illness was, but, you know, this is why, like, he had spinal problems, right?

• 52:31Danny Jones?

  From war or whatever?

• 52:32Speaker 03

  No, I think even before.

• 52:34Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 52:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, even before. And I can't remember what the condition is, but essentially he was degenerating and some people said like he, you know, he may not even survive to like his 50s. I mean, he was, he was like 45 or something when he died, but. He was, I think he knew he was not long for the earth.

• 52:51Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 52:52Speaker 03

  And that's probably why he was trying to do these, you know, these, these things like make rapprochement with the Soviet Union, basically saying, let's do a joint mission together to the moon, you know, let's work on the space program together.

• 53:03Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 53:03Speaker 03

  All this stuff was like, as I said, everything he did antagonized the, the complex, you know, the military industrial complex that essentially operates on enemies and war. And if Kennedy had basically said, let's, let's move to rapprochement, let's not, you know, let's not have a cold war, let's not justify these massive

• 53:26Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 53:26Speaker 03

  military spending, let's focus on peaceful things like

• 53:28Danny Jones?

  Pull everybody out of Vietnam.

• 53:29Speaker 03

  like space travel and, you know, if we had done that, I mean, again, it would have changed our history, but I don't think consciousness, I guess, you know, we weren't ready for that. We had to play out this, this crazy, um, you know, this crazy mindset that we've still experiencing, you know, us versus them. And I think we're getting past it. I think we are kind of getting into a more global mind in a sense of not a hive mind, but a global awareness and consciousness, you know,

• 53:55Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 53:55Speaker 03

  of our common humanity.

• 53:57Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 53:57Speaker 03

  Across religions, across cultures, across languages, right? I don't know if we were there at that time. Maybe that's why, you know, that's why destiny prevailed in a sense that he played the role of King Arthur in Camelot. Camelot, you know, is a moment. And essentially, once he knew that he was in Camelot, well, Arthur's, Arthur's end is tragic.

• 54:17Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 54:18Speaker 03

  Right? Arthur ends because his own people betray him. Lancelot, you know, betrays him and, and Guinevere runs off with Lancelot and the kingdom sends into civil war.

• 54:27Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 54:28Speaker 03

  So it's very interesting that, you know, you be careful, the myths you choose to live by.

• 54:31Danny Jones?

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• 55:11Danny Jones?

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• 55:44Speaker 03

  My Milshon?

• 55:45Danny Jones?

  Is that the producer?

• 55:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, he was my dad's partner for like a few years.

• 55:48Danny Jones?

  He was actually partners with him?

• 55:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Milshon was uh...

• 55:51Danny Jones?

  So he was in the, I learned about him through watching the BB Files documentary. He was all over that documentary.

• 55:56Speaker 03

  Is that the Tucker's new documentary?

• 55:58Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know if Tucker made the documentary. I think it was Alex Gibney that made that film.

• 56:04Speaker 03

  Oh, really?

• 56:05Danny Jones?

  Can you confirm that?

• 56:08Speaker 04

  Alex Bloom?

• 56:09Danny Jones?

  No, Alex Gibney.

• 56:11Speaker 03

  I don't think Gibney did it.

• 56:12Danny Jones?

  No?

• 56:12Speaker 04

  Oh yeah, you're right. Produced by Alex Gibney.

• 56:15Speaker 03

  Oh, he produced it?

• 56:16Danny Jones?

  Okay, there you go.

• 56:17Speaker 03

  Okay, so the BB Files is not the one Tucker did?

• 56:19Danny Jones?

  So, no, it was, that same one was on Tucker's website.

• 56:23Speaker 03

  Right?

• 56:24Danny Jones?

  So he was like, so the BB Files documentary premiered and directed by Alex Bloom, and by, produced by Alex Gibney, Tucker Carlson acquired the film and streams it on his platform.

• 56:36Speaker 03

  You know, I have to watch it. I haven't seen it yet. That's cool.

• 56:39Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it was just lots of like, security footage of interrogations from the investigations into BB.

• 56:45Speaker 03

  That's interesting.

• 56:46Danny Jones?

  And uh...

• 56:46Speaker 03

  Because the whole thing is how this guy survives for so long. You know, he was literally on the cusp of being indicted and, you know, and uh...

• 56:53Danny Jones?

  And like, it was so weird. It's like, it's like, it's like, he goes around and he expects people just to give him free stuff. Like, people just give him gifts, like stupid gifts. Like, like alcohol or whatever they like, the different, what kind of champagne, what kind of cigars? And they're interrogating him about like... Why did you ask him for $5,000 worth of cigars? He's like, I don't know, they just give them to me or whatever. And then Arnon Milchan was like, he's like, I don't know. He was like, it was part of the deal. I just had to give him all these cigars. Very weird.

• 57:22Speaker 03

  Arnon?

• 57:23Danny Jones?

  Just, no, not Arnon himself.

• 57:25Speaker 03

  Oh, he gave him cigars though.

• 57:27Danny Jones?

  Just the, the idea, like, how like they're interrogating people for giving him cigars and alcohol and stuff like this. And it's almost like he's like, like they need to do this to impress him or something. Or like, maybe it's some sort of weird control thing I don't understand.

• 57:40Speaker 03

  Gift, I mean, it's very normal in the VIP world and so, you know, in politics and whatnot is gifting, right? That's how you get around tax.

• 57:49Danny Jones?

  Right, right, right.

• 57:50Speaker 03

  Declarations, you know, giving someone gifts instead of money.

• 57:55Speaker 03

  That doesn't surprise me. The, Netanyahu, he's a dark one. He's a very dark, dark personality. I mean, I met him, I think he's a sociopath.

• 58:08Speaker 03

  You know, I just, I don't, I don't get the impression that he, that he has much empathy. And, you know, you go back into the story about,

• 58:18Speaker 03

  was it not before Sharon? Who was the Israeli prime minister that was killed in the 90s?

• 58:25Speaker 03

  I'm blanking on his name. That assassination, there's, you know, Netanyahu was there at the time. And he was, he was riling up the right wing at that time. Rabin, and Rabin was trying to work on, you know, towards a peace deal with Arafat. You know, this was in 95, 94, 95, I remember. And it was really shocking, you know, his assassination. And, you know, some people really wonder about Netanyahu having a role in that beyond fomenting the right. Basically, not agitating the right, basically calling Rabin a traitor. I mean, Rabin was a hard right guy who basically said, look, enough war. We need to, we need to make peace with our neighbors. And for that, he was killed. So, I mean, Netanyahu and Hamas are like, they're two sides of the same coin. There's no wonder that, you know, Israel has been accused of financing Hamas.

• 59:10Speaker 03

  It's like, that's, you know, you gotta, like I said, you create your, you create your enemies. Cause that's the level of, you know, of consciousness that they're playing at. It's, it's an endless war game. It's a blood game. So, with,

• 59:25Speaker 03

  Arnon, I mean, you know, people say because he was a producer on JFK that he directed my dad away from the Israeli connection.

• 59:33Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 59:34Speaker 03

  As I said, my dad spent, he came, my dad came back to do another documentary series called JFK Through the Looking Glass.

• 59:40Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 59:41Speaker 03

  And that was both a documentary and a series.

• 59:44Danny Jones?

  That was fantastic.

• 59:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, he wanted to, you know, he went to reassess with the documents that did come out post, after the film, there were a number of documents, government documents, archives that were released in the 90s and even before this, this newest batch. And then I wanted to like reapproach and just say, look, what is, what do the documents say, what do the forensics say and get back into the story again.

• 1:00:06Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:07Speaker 03

  And I mean, my dad understands, as I said, the Israeli motivation, I just, we have not seen the evidence of, you know, who, which, which operatives in the assassination were Israelis, where is the Israeli command component?

• 1:00:22Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:00:22Speaker 03

  That's something that, you know, it's like the British have a motivation, you know, the, but.

• 1:00:26Danny Jones?

  Sure.

• 1:00:27Speaker 03

  We don't know, like, without pointing to certain people and saying, okay, that one's an operative of Britain or Israel, like, it's very difficult to say that they, that they killed him, you know? And so, as far as, you know, Milshon, Milshon was a producer on JFK, but he was a partner with my dad on a number of projects and they fell apart because he was supposed to make Nixon with my father. So my dad went to make Nixon and Arnon basically reneged on the deal or whatever, he backed out. So my dad, my dad went on to make Nixon without him and they parted ways at that point.

• 1:01:03Danny Jones?

  Was it, did, did Arnon have any sort of like creative input or was he just financial or?

• 1:01:09Speaker 03

  No, I mean, he was, he was a finance guy. I mean, he knew good scripts, he believed in direct, I think he believed in my father at that point, you know, my dad had three Oscars, I think, you know, he believed in him as a filmmaker.

• 1:01:20Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:21Speaker 03

  It wasn't, you know, you're, you're talking, you know, creative input, it depends on, there's very few directors, as they say, who get final cut in Hollywood, right? That's a rare thing. So you always have a lot of input on projects from studios. Producers, you know, but but also input is part of the creative process anyway. You're gonna get notes, you're gonna, you know, but I don't know, like, you know, you get stories like the Kubrick, you know, Eyes Wide Shut thing and whether or not, whether or not there were, there were things cut out of that movie. You know, I wish I had really.

• 1:01:49Danny Jones?

  And The Shining.

• 1:01:50Speaker 03

  You know, it's so interesting. I, I wish I had known more about this conspiracy theories around Eyes Wide Shut. Well, I don't know about The Shining. There was never any, because Kubrick died before the Eyes Wide Shut was complete. That's why people suspect that there's all the suspicion that there were things taken out.

• 1:02:07Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:02:07Speaker 03

  Of the final cut because he died.

• 1:02:09Danny Jones?

  Well, Rogan had one of the producers of that movie on his show, right? And he was explaining. It was somebody who was involved in making that movie.

• 1:02:17Speaker 03

  I don't think it was someone to me. I think it was someone who knew someone, but I don't think it was directly involved because.

• 1:02:21Danny Jones?

  I could have sworn it was.

• 1:02:23Speaker 03

  It's, it's one of those things like I wish, when I, I wish I had known this because when my dad made Alexander, our, the video monitor guy, right? So the guy that sets up.

• 1:02:34Danny Jones?

  Which film was Alexander?

• 1:02:35Speaker 03

  Uh, with Colin Farrell and Angelina Jolie about Alexander the Great.

• 1:02:39Danny Jones?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:02:40Speaker 03

  So the guy that ran the video village and the video monitor.

• 1:02:43Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:02:44Speaker 03

  Had done Eyes Wide Shut. Now, he would know. He would know.

• 1:02:51Danny Jones?

  Was it Roger Avery?

• 1:02:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, Roger Avery, exactly.

• 1:02:53Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:02:54Speaker 03

  So Avery, I mean, Avery is coming from a secondhand account. It's a rumor. That's why I said I would have loved to ask.

• 1:03:00Danny Jones?

  Is he still alive?

• 1:03:00Speaker 03

  Video monitor guy. If he knew. Yeah. If you could find him, you could ask him, was there footage that you saw? Because you're monitoring, you're obviously like, you know, you're monitoring the monitors. If there was footage that stands out to you that was taken out.

• 1:03:17Danny Jones?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:03:19Speaker 03

  Of the cut.

• 1:03:19Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:03:20Speaker 03

  Because then, you know, because people get all this 20 minutes was cut out and they were going to show more of, you know, everything from for reptilians to like children. I mean, you know, you get all these like rumors and it just gets like, it gets kind of crazy. Uh, but you know, you, you want to get to someone like the script writer wrote a book about it. He never said anything was like drastically different. Um, so, you know, you have to find someone that really was there that would know.

• 1:03:46Danny Jones?

  Well, yeah, the astronauts that went on the Apollo missions also wrote books about that.

• 1:03:53Speaker 03

  That's a question, isn't it? Well, they're Masons. So you

• 1:03:56Danny Jones?

  They are Masons.

• 1:03:57Speaker 03

  You wonder about the Masonic nature of the operation. And I always want to look to me, the the moon landing, I always say, look, I think we went to the moon. I don't think we went with the technology that they showed you.

• 1:04:11Speaker 03

  That's my stand on it, that we have much more advanced ships and craft. And what they showed us, the little tin can kind of stuff is for public consumption.

• 1:04:20Danny Jones?

  I think if we went to the moon, I think it's possible we went to the moon. But I don't think it's possible that that footage is real.

• 1:04:26Speaker 03

  Well, you've seen the Bart, was it Bart Sabrell's documentary? Where they are supposed to be three, like two days out or three days out. And they pull back the camera and they're just in the upper upper atmosphere or something in the stratosphere. Basically, they're not, you've seen that?

• 1:04:41Danny Jones?

  I think so.

• 1:04:42Speaker 03

  It's the, um, what really happened on the way to the moon?

• 1:04:45Danny Jones?

  I've seen the movie. I don't know if I remember the exact moment you're talking about, though.

• 1:04:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's it's like it's part of the the great reveal is he's got this NASA.

• 1:04:52Danny Jones?

  Oh, where they're in, okay, when they're in the capsule and they pull out.

• 1:04:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, and they shoot, they shoot from like at the back of the capsule. I think it's what really happened on the way to the moon. I think it's even on YouTube.

• 1:05:02Danny Jones?

  A funny thing happened.

• 1:05:03Speaker 03

  A funny thing happened on the way to the moon and they're basically at the back of the the shuttle, like shooting out the window. And so the earth looks really small in the window.

• 1:05:13Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:14Speaker 03

  And then they open the aperture and like they're, they basically stopped recording or they they thought they stopped recording. They stopped broadcasting. They open the aperture and you can see that the earth is really big outside the window.

• 1:05:27Danny Jones?

  It's like taking up the whole entire window.

• 1:05:29Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 1:05:29Danny Jones?

  It's not just a little sphere.

• 1:05:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:31Danny Jones?

  Sphere.

• 1:05:31Speaker 03

  If we could find it, it'd be cool.

• 1:05:32Danny Jones?

  So we showed it on the show on the project. I've actually had Bart in here with Charlie Duke.

• 1:05:37Speaker 03

  Oh, really?

• 1:05:38Danny Jones?

  One of the last Apollo astronauts to walk on the moon. So only like three that are alive and he's one of them.

• 1:05:42Speaker 03

  And?

• 1:05:43Danny Jones?

  And it was a complete shit show.

• 1:05:48Danny Jones?

  Bart, you know, it was not a good combination of personalities, first of all. I don't really think we got anywhere. I don't, I was not convinced by either of them.

• 1:06:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06:01Danny Jones?

  I wasn't convinced that Bart was right, and I was not convinced by Charlie Duke that they actually went to the moon.

• 1:06:06Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:06:07Danny Jones?

  He was kind of a broken record. He kind of just saying like, if I didn't go to the moon, how did I get all these moon rocks? You know, one of the biggest problems with the thing was the radiation, you know, what's one of Bart's big points in his documentary is the Ben Allen radiation belts?

• 1:06:18Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:06:19Danny Jones?

  He's saying that human beings wouldn't be able to survive passing through that back and forth with that thin little layer of aluminum. And because the, I guess the Soviets sent like dogs and stuff to those radiation belts and none of them survived. Like, and even a monkey, I think, like, no human being, he believes, has ever survived passing through that. And there's even videos, we pulled up Yvonne Braun, giving presentations on the Ben Allen radiation belt. Saying like, and there's other astronauts.

• 1:06:45Speaker 03

  Even to this, even the recent.

• 1:06:46Danny Jones?

  There's modern astronauts that talk about like, we need to solve the problem of radiation before we send people this far out into space.

• 1:06:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06:52Danny Jones?

  And we showed those videos to Charlie Duke. And I said, Charlie, when you were planning on, when, I'm sure there was a lot of planning, right, to go to the moon. I'm not a guy, I'm not an, I'm no expert, but I'm sure there was a hefty amount of planning that you guys had to go through, right? And he's like, yes. I'm like, so what sort of preparation did you guys go through? Or what did they at least warn you about when it comes to the radiation belts? He said they never discussed them.

• 1:07:18Speaker 03

  That makes no sense.

• 1:07:19Danny Jones?

  I know.

• 1:07:19Speaker 03

  Did he ask him about the, how the stars look on the moon?

• 1:07:22Danny Jones?

  I did. I don't remember what he said about the stars. So what I understand is about, about the stars is like, they could see it with the naked eye, but with the exposure of the cameras, because the surface of the moon is so bright, if you expose for the moon, you're gonna lose the stars.

• 1:07:37Speaker 03

  That makes sense.

• 1:07:38Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:39Speaker 03

  But they, but I'm sure to the naked eye, they'd be like.

• 1:07:42Danny Jones?

  It must have been insane, right?

• 1:07:43Speaker 03

  That's what I was curious, like.

• 1:07:44Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Well, so when I asked him, I was like. I was like, can you just walk me through what was going through your mind the moment you opened the door and you walked on the moon for the first time? And he was just said, excitement, excitement, just exciting. I'm on the moon, it was exciting. And I'm like, man, if I walked in the moon, I'd have more words than exciting.

• 1:08:06Speaker 03

  Right?

• 1:08:06Danny Jones?

  You know, that's just what I feel. I don't know.

• 1:08:08Speaker 03

  I've walked the Himalayas and I've had like surreal experiences, just being at, you know, whatever, 15, 20,000 feet.

• 1:08:16Danny Jones?

  Right? Yeah. This is the video that you were discussing, you were referring to earlier of the.

• 1:08:21Speaker 03

  Now, this is from the first, this is from the first Apollo.

• 1:08:23Danny Jones?

  Apollo 11, right?

• 1:08:24Speaker 03

  11, yeah.

• 1:08:25Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:27Speaker 03

  And so they're, they're supposed to be like two or three days out at this point.

• 1:08:30Danny Jones?

  Yeah. And see, there's another hatch, window hatch over there.

• 1:08:36Speaker 03

  Well, I don't know if that's a hatch or just a light. It looks like a light.

• 1:08:38Danny Jones?

  I think it's a hatch. We actually pulled up a 3D model of that capsule.

• 1:08:42Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 1:08:42Danny Jones?

  And there's a hatch there.

• 1:08:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, so there's.

• 1:08:44Danny Jones?

  That thing looks.

• 1:08:45Speaker 03

  So that's, that looks like a light, right? So that's like, that's supposed to be the earth. That is the earth, but it's supposed to be like far away, right? Because we're two, three days out.

• 1:08:53Danny Jones?

  All that black around it on the, on the border.

• 1:08:55Speaker 03

  They open up the aperture.

• 1:08:59Danny Jones?

  So he believes there was a transparency in front of that window that like, made it look like it was the actual full shape of the earth.

• 1:09:05Speaker 04

  Now, this is the light hitting the edge of the, like the window sill.

• 1:09:09Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:12Danny Jones?

  So yeah, you're seeing shit in front of it. You can tell like, so how is the camera? And he explains in the audio of this video, how he says the, we have the camera pushed up against the glass, I believe.

• 1:09:23Danny Jones?

  And then you hear the, also you hear somebody saying, talk.

• 1:09:26Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:09:26Danny Jones?

  There's like a delay.

• 1:09:27Speaker 03

  Oh yeah, there's definitely, the fact that we could transmit all the way from the moon to the phone of the president's, the president's phone. I mean, look, I'm more interested by the, the black, the black programs or like the secret program, secret space program kind of stuff, like the Gary McKinnon hacking. Remember the Gary McKinnon story, hacking our NASA and basically seeing these craft that are in the sky? This is the kind of stuff that resonates more with me of how we're going to travel through space, right? Very advanced propulsion systems, probably, we're probably at, you know, I don't know if we've achieved fusion, I would imagine that's feasible, but not be disclosed to the private sector or to the public. And.

• 1:10:08Speaker 03

  I mean, it's the kind of stuff that I saw like before the show I told you, like the night of the Palisades fire.

• 1:10:13Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:13Speaker 03

  It was, um, we, okay, so the Palisades fires start in LA and basically, I mean, you know, it was being set up because we had just come off of the heaviest rainfall like in decades, like literally LA was like, because we always have to worry about like droughts and stuff and whatnot. So like it had been, we'd been coated with rain. And then for nine months, they stopped cloud seeding. They stopped the cloud seeding programs, which are acknowledged, you know, cloud seeding, right?

• 1:10:46Danny Jones?

  I didn't know that was happening in LA.

• 1:10:47Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 1:10:48Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:10:48Speaker 03

  So they stopped the cloud seeding program. So basically from like March or whatever, it was like nine months till January of 25. So from like March or so, no rain. So we know we're in, no, we know we're in a dry spell. We're nowhere and we know we're now in like in the drought. And it's January and, um, and the Santa Ana start kicking in. Now every, every year we get three or four Santa Anas a year. It's normal. It's normal. Santa Ana winds are eastern winds coming from the desert.

• 1:11:17Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:11:17Speaker 03

  Drawing dry, like basically blowing dry air. And then you can get fierce and it's like everyone who, everyone who lives in Southern California knows Santa Anas and you get, you know what's coming with it. So you know that it's like a fire hazard. Like it's just, it's just like clockwork. So the fact that you've got this sort of, um, this perfect brew, right, of dry Santa Ana winds coming fast. In this case, they get up to a hundred miles an hour or something, which is pretty crazy.

• 1:11:45Danny Jones?

  A hundred?

• 1:11:46Speaker 03

  Well, that, I can't remember if it, if it would hit a hundred, but it was, it was blowing hard, right? It's blowing really hard. And, um, so yeah, basically we've got this perfect storm. All it takes is a little fire. And apparently, you know, that there was like an arsonist that they, that they claim like started it, but.

• 1:12:06Danny Jones?

  I heard it was Spencer Pratt that started it.

• 1:12:09Speaker 03

  You've been watching too much Democrat CNN.

• 1:12:16Speaker 03

  But the point is that like we knew, you know, you know what's coming, right? The fire department, everyone knows what's coming. So the fact that there's pretending to be caught unawares is completely not hogwash. Because every couple of years, the last, I mean, since like 20, what was it? The Santa, was the Santa Susana fire where they blew up like they basically burned down like an old nuclear station and looked like a mushroom cloud over LA. And I like I've like, and I took off, I'm like, I don't know what, I don't know what people are breathing right now, but I'm not going to breathe it. I went to, I went east to Palm Springs. But the point is, you know, you can see it like clockwork. They are burning these areas, the Paradise Fire, that, you know, the Malibu Fire, like it's just, it's just coming, right? It's just coming nonstop. And so that night, basically after the fires just started, the winds are blowing bad.

• 1:13:01Speaker 03

  I was at a dinner like south of Santa Monica. So I'm driving north, my friend's driving, and we're going up Sepulveda, which is right next to the 405, going from south to north. And I swear to you, the, we're driving at night, a streak of light appears across the entire sky, but it was a streak, like you could see, like it cut the sky. And it's just like a light from right from, from east heading west. And I, we hear a boom, almost like a sonic boom of energy with the light, basically. So we see this streak and we feel like the sonic boom of energy almost like shake the car. And it's like, it was a big car, it was like an SUV. And I was like, what was that?

• 1:13:44Speaker 03

  And then, you know, she's like driving, so she looks up and she's like, there's like some kind of like craft or something. And it's like, she couldn't identify what it was, but it was, it was moving fast enough to give us, to shake the car.

• 1:14:00Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:14:02Speaker 03

  And then, I don't know, I saw some videos.

• 1:14:05Danny Jones?

  Interesting, it made a loud sound.

• 1:14:07Speaker 03

  Well, it's, it's the power, it's like a sonic boom, like of the, of the energy of something moving that fast, right?

• 1:14:12Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:14:12Speaker 03

  And, and I just, you know, I don't know, I saw some video from like various, you know, of the stations that were covering it, that looked like something like a little light was moving around the fires. And almost like it was, you know, you could say crazy, but like setting like lasers to like start, start the fires, like to hit the. What I would imagine is they would have hit the uh some of those power cables.

• 1:14:35Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:14:36Speaker 03

  Spark them. And to basically perpetuate the fire.

• 1:14:40Danny Jones?

  Whoa.

• 1:14:42Danny Jones?

  That's crazy.

• 1:14:44Speaker 03

  That makes sense. If you want a fire, it makes sense. Like I said, I mean, these things to me, it's like, like the Maui fire, like you gotta, you gotta make sure that these things burn, burn the area out if you're looking to buy it up on mass, which is, you know, kind of what's happening. Buy a, you know, cheap property.

• 1:15:03Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:15:04Speaker 03

  Build out a smart city, whatever it is, you know, that they're doing.

• 1:15:07Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm. So what do you think those lights were?

• 1:15:12Speaker 03

  No, I'm saying, I think it was a craft.

• 1:15:14Danny Jones?

  A craft?

• 1:15:14Speaker 03

  I think it was one of these um craft that, you know, are off books, kind of like uh, people talk about a lot of the triangle craft, the TR3 is their call, I think. They basically, you ever heard of a TR3?

• 1:15:25Danny Jones?

  No.

• 1:15:26Speaker 03

  They're like triangle shaped craft that.

• 1:15:28Danny Jones?

  Like Phoenix Lights type thing?

• 1:15:31Speaker 03

  No, these are ours. These are like government, like like space, like secret space program kind of stuff.

• 1:15:37Danny Jones?

  Oh.

• 1:15:38Speaker 03

  Triangle craft. Yeah, they're like, they seem to be like a very advanced stealth bomber. I mean, remember, they didn't announce a stealth bomber to what, the first Gulf War, I think?

• 1:15:46Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:15:46Speaker 03

  Until then, if you saw a stealth bomber, you'd be like, that's an alien ship.

• 1:15:49Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah, for sure.

• 1:15:50Speaker 03

  So I just think TR3 is advanced, you know, advanced craft.

• 1:15:53Danny Jones?

  So that thing right there is what it looks like, the TR3?

• 1:15:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's the one that people have seen a lot of.

• 1:15:58Danny Jones?

  Whoa.

• 1:16:01Speaker 03

  I'm not saying that's what I saw. I'm just saying that that's to me, an example of like one of these black program craft that we've got.

• 1:16:11Danny Jones?

  That's wild. Yeah, I've had people on here tell me that they think that even the Phoenix Lights things were government's thing, government balloons and stuff like that.

• 1:16:19Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, we had the drones showing up all over the East Coast and no one still has told us what those were.

• 1:16:23Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:16:24Speaker 03

  Right?

• 1:16:25Danny Jones?

  I forgot about that.

• 1:16:26Speaker 03

  In 24, they were all over the East Coast, the drones.

• 1:16:28Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm. Wasn't that supposed to be Iran?

• 1:16:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, we didn't shoot them down because we were scared of the Chinese. I mean.

• 1:16:35Danny Jones?

  Or China, was that what it was?

• 1:16:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was like, but I'm like, okay, so we don't shoot them down? Why?

• 1:16:39Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:16:39Speaker 03

  What's going on?

• 1:16:40Danny Jones?

  Yeah, the Chinese, the Chinese balloon. Oh, my God. Yeah, that's too much, too much craziness happening in the news cycle to pay attention to.

• 1:16:49Speaker 03

  Kind of have to just.

• 1:16:52Speaker 03

  Allow things to like reach you. That's what I feel like. The information that's important will reach you and a lot of it is distraction. A lot of it is designed to like take away our energy and distract us and keep us feeling disempowered and weak. And that's why, you know, I like to just come back to like things that I can affect in my reality.

• 1:17:11Speaker 03

  Walk my path, you know, and just don't get over too caught up with the things I can't change.

• 1:17:17Danny Jones?

  I mean, it's like with technology and the media and like how we have so much access to everything instantaneously. It's like a double edged sword, right? It's like on one hand, yeah, it's making people more aware of like the evil and the corruption that's happening around the world with world leaders and with governments and stuff that people like you and me want nothing to do with. And it's probably making us more united at some level, at least people that are aware of it. And on the other hand, it is the perfect tool for governments that want to keep secrets because they no longer have to worry about keeping stuff secret because now they can just flood the zone with bullshit. And it's

• 1:18:00Danny Jones?

  impossible to pick the wheat from the chaff, right? It's impossible to pick the needle out of the haystack of what's real, what's not.

• 1:18:05Speaker 03

  They've always been doing this. I mean, this is psywar. This is psychological operations. I mean, imagine the good, the only difference is they used to have, you know, three channels and now there's three million. But so you know, you're now you have a little bit more diversity in terms in choosing your, you know, your vector of where you want to, you know, get your information from or try to, you know, try to make sense of the world through. But yeah, I mean, it's like, you know, it's very frustrating. I mean, even being in California, right? We're, we're just in LA seeing, you know, typical election shenanigans, which I think 2020 was like a big wake up call for people to realize like, yeah, this is the strategy. It's, it's basically, you know, wait till the election day, find

• 1:18:47Speaker 03

  out how many votes you need and then just, just basically mail in as many after the fact, you need 50,000, we get 50,000. You get 40,000 from Skid Row, we get 40,000 from Skid Row. You know, no, no ID. Everyone's got a ballot.

• 1:19:01Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:01Speaker 03

  Even illegals, it's like, just, yeah, just flood them, you know, just flood the zone. And it's really, it really makes this country feel like a men are a public when we should be using a blockchain or something to identify like, you know, every voter should have like a blockchain number and to be able to go and see their, their vote right there on the blockchain. Oh, that's my number, that's my vote. It should be reflected publicly.

• 1:19:24Danny Jones?

  Yeah. And then, you know, how many people don't vote, right? Like, how many people that, I feel like the people that are most aware of this stuff, that are paying the most attention, the younger folks, don't even fucking vote, you know? It's only the people, the older folks who are more tapped into mainstream news like Fox and CNN that are the ones that are going out and voting. Like, I think the perfect example of that would be this recent Kentucky race. With the, um, the senate race in Kentucky with, uh, with, uh, Thomas Massey and then the other guy.

• 1:19:52Speaker 03

  Oh, right.

• 1:19:53Danny Jones?

  Where like, every commercial that, I guess they just spent million, what was it? Like thirteen, fourteen million dollars on that race in Kentucky. And then if you watch the guy's commercials that was running against Massey, he never says a word in any of the commercials. All it is is Trump talking, it's, it's videos of Trump saying, this guy's great, war hero.

• 1:20:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:20:13Danny Jones?

  Strong handshake.

• 1:20:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:20:15Danny Jones?

  Vote for him.

• 1:20:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:20:16Danny Jones?

  And then at the end of the commercial, it goes, I'm Ed Galloway and I approve this message. That's the whole thing. And the guy won because those are the people that vote, the people that watch that shit.

• 1:20:23Speaker 03

  Yeah. I mean, I don't, I don't, I don't vote simply because I think it's all a racket.

• 1:20:30Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:20:32Speaker 03

  It would be, look, we've got a, we've got a, a system where both party, you know, the Republicans are supposed to be limiting spending, but they spend just as much as the Democrats ultimately, well, at less than the national level, right? We're talking about the national debt and just, it just continues to grow and grow and grow no matter who's in office. At the state level, I don't know, I know that California is a horribly run state and it's been run by one party really, uh, at least since, at least since Schwarzenegger. So, you know, it should be an indication that there's something wrong, but. It's like, you know, they just, uh, how do you say it? Like they swap out, they swap out the tires.

• 1:21:11Danny Jones?

  They swap out the tires, yeah.

• 1:21:13Speaker 03

  That's pretty much it, you know? The car is broken down, but they swap out the tires.

• 1:21:17Danny Jones?

  Well, California is interesting too, because you have like so much craziness happening with like the homeless issues and everything else. And at the same time, it's the, what was it? What is it? California, the number three GDP of any country in the world? Like all the.

• 1:21:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, about six or something, six, I think.

• 1:21:34Danny Jones?

  It's insane because of all those giant tech companies.

• 1:21:37Speaker 03

  It's huge amount of revenue. Don't know where it goes. It's one of those mysteries, kind of like the New York City budget, you know?

• 1:21:43Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Yeah. And it's also very fascinating how all those tech people are, um, well, especially silicon. We were in, when were we in San Francisco? That was like four years ago, something like that.

• 1:21:54Speaker 04

  San Francisco.

• 1:21:55Danny Jones?

  Yeah, we were in four, we were in San Francisco and, uh, this is my first time ever being in San Francisco, like four years ago, something like that. And, uh, like I had not been aware of the fact that you have to leave your car unlocked. So people just, they won't break your windows. Like the dude we were visiting, he's like, just leave your rental car. Don't take, don't leave anything in there. Leave the door unlocked because they're gonna get in one way or the other. It's easier for them to open the door than to break your window.

• 1:22:20Speaker 03

  Road warrior.

• 1:22:21Danny Jones?

  It's crazy, dude. I mean, we just found purses laying on the street, looted, you know? Apparently they're trying to fix that now, but. Well, the point I was getting.

• 1:22:29Speaker 03

  Election season. They gotta, they gotta make it look better.

• 1:22:31Danny Jones?

  Right, right. Or when they brought G, when G came to San Francisco, they cleaned it up big time.

• 1:22:37Speaker 03

  Right, right. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:22:40Danny Jones?

  But.

• 1:22:41Speaker 03

  Window dressing.

• 1:22:42Danny Jones?

  I found, I find it interesting that you have like all these tech oligarchs, like talking spiritual now.

• 1:22:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:22:50Danny Jones?

  They're all getting spiritual.

• 1:22:51Speaker 03

  Into the spiritual war.

• 1:22:52Danny Jones?

  Yeah. No, and you got, well, Peter Thiel's more into the anti-christ stuff, but he's like, you know, trying to project himself as being some, there's been some big Christian church there apparently. Where, uh, all the, all the tech people are now like converting to Christianity and all these big tech investors are, um,

• 1:23:09Danny Jones?

  there's one, there's one tech company that, not tech, there's one company that invests in tech companies. I forget what the name of it now. But yeah, they're all involved in like preaching the Bible to people in Silicon Valley, which is very wild.

• 1:23:24Speaker 03

  It's interesting. Are they bringing revelations to bear? Is that the, you know, it's kind of, it makes you wonder, right? Like, if, if, if, like, they have to do whatever they can to justify the total surveillance society.

• 1:23:38Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:38Speaker 03

  Right? And, you know, it's like, I look at things as the, like, the, say, the uniparty, maybe a little bit of, maybe a little bit of corollary between like those that are totally globalists and those that are more like, hey, we want to see America sustain as a nation, as a republic, you know? I think there, that's kind of, to me, the, the real heart of the battle. That's what, you know, Trump is supposed to represent, is more the nationalist impulse against the globalist impulse, right? And, and then, you know, but in the meantime, they're all moving towards like, you know, total surveillance society and digitization.

• 1:24:21Speaker 03

  I mean, whether or not we, hopefully, Trump has been opposed to this idea of like the digital currency, right? The digital, digitization of like all currency and whatnot. But, but that's kind of where, where things are going on the tech, the tech side of it, right? It's like, it's a total digital, digital identification. We all have digital avatars. We all are tracked and monitored and our habits. I mean, everything is, is known and knowable. So it's like-

• 1:24:48Danny Jones?

  Someone was just telling me that TSA just made some, that TSA is making a big change where they're going to require people to do mandatory facial scanning now, if you want to travel.

• 1:25:00Speaker 03

  Yeah. I mean, I've seen that coming. I mean, they basically, for years, even the last few years, ever since COVID, it's been like, you know, I go abroad and-

• 1:25:10Speaker 03

  I mean, I've accepted it because I understand like that we have like I have a some level of a public figure. So it's like, okay, you know, that's my public face. But yeah, when you want to fly like they'll take your they'll just do facial recognition. They don't even look at your passport now. That was a few years ago. I noticed that.

• 1:25:27Danny Jones?

  I've noticed those at airports, but I've always.

• 1:25:29Speaker 03

  The craziest thing to me actually was coming back and not having to go through customs. I was like, wow, it's pretty kind of cool. Like the old days.

• 1:25:37Danny Jones?

  That's already happening?

• 1:25:41Speaker 03

  Most of the time, I mean, I go through been through Florida a lot, like Miami and stuff.

• 1:25:44Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:44Speaker 03

  There was no customs.

• 1:25:46Danny Jones?

  What?

• 1:25:46Speaker 03

  Yeah. And no customs declaration, which was really, which is interesting to me. You know, like they used to give out the forms like.

• 1:25:54Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

• 1:25:55Speaker 03

  I haven't seen those in like in ages.

• 1:25:57Danny Jones?

  Really? I feel like I s- what do you mean? When so when you're laying there, the flight attendant comes and passes you out those forms.

• 1:26:03Speaker 03

  I haven't seen that in ages.

• 1:26:04Danny Jones?

  Interesting. Maybe I just haven't noticed.

• 1:26:07Speaker 03

  I think it's all facial recognition now. So they just know you. They're like, okay, we know who you are. We're just tracking you. And that's, I don't know. I mean, and so like, and then you even see like in going to Miami airport, they'll be like, you know, they have the cameras. They say like five miles out. They're like, they start the surveillance and stuff.

• 1:26:23Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:24Speaker 03

  That they notify you. I've accepted. I look at things like you have to okay, you have to understand that there's a we're all playing publicly, like public commerce, all the commerce is public, right? Everything like people think that their their money is theirs. Well, no, the cash, all that can be seized.

• 1:26:43Danny Jones?

  It's all digital.

• 1:26:43Speaker 03

  Can all be seized. No, it's not just the digital. It's a Federal Reserve note. It belongs to the Fed. It's a promissory note.

• 1:26:49Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:26:49Speaker 03

  It's not constitutional money. Constitutional money is gold and silver. The other stuff is just.

• 1:26:54Danny Jones?

  Right. But money in your bank account is.

• 1:26:56Speaker 03

  Can be seized.

• 1:26:56Danny Jones?

  Essentially. Yeah, it can be seized.

• 1:26:58Speaker 03

  Seized, the bank key, you know, the bank can do a bail in, they could take it, they can mess with it. I mean, if they want, they can, they can mess with you, right? Like you name it. So you have to understand like there's a public face to all this commerce. We have to regain this, we have to regain our ourselves, you know, as the private person, not the citizen, you know, not beholden to that government commercial game, you know, essentially because government is over all of it. It's all government, you know, over, over the private sector, but entwined with it, right?

• 1:27:30Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:30Speaker 03

  So like, that's why these big contracts are going out to, you know, the companies that become the, you know, the trillion dollar companies or whatnot, multi-billion dollar companies. They're getting big contracts from government, but ultimately it's government, it's government and behind it is the, the private central banking system lending money to the government to be the tax collector. That's the government's job. It's there to collect taxes.

• 1:27:52Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:27:53Speaker 03

  Right? To pay back the banks.

• 1:27:54Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:27:56Speaker 03

  You know?

• 1:27:57Danny Jones?

  Yeah. I guess at some point it's just futile to fight it. You just kind of like kind of go with it.

• 1:28:03Speaker 03

  Become, well, that's why I say focus, prioritize your private side, your private life, to understand like you as a, as a spiritual being, I believe, like that's what matters. Like get right with your creator, get right with yourself, focus on, you know, what you can do in your own life.

• 1:28:18Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:28:19Speaker 03

  Because ultimately, again, this is a much bigger game of commerce and, you know, states and empires and things that, you know, transcends any of us.

• 1:28:27Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:29Speaker 03

  That's why I just went back to like, the last thing I did was just writing a book about 10 things to learn as humans, you know, just to be human in a world that's like

• 1:28:35Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:36Speaker 03

  increasing, increasingly transactional, increasingly

• 1:28:38Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:39Speaker 03

  disorienting and disassociative. Like, let's just come back to like, the myths.

• 1:28:45Danny Jones?

  The myths, back to the myths.

• 1:28:47Speaker 03

  Back to the myths, the things that

• 1:28:48Danny Jones?

  Back to the ancient texts.

• 1:28:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, the threads, exactly, the threads that we have like, you know, whether it's, you know, whether it's the stories or the myths, you know, the things that like, whether it's, you know, biblical, whether it's Greek, whether it's, you know, Asian Buddhist Hindu, it's like, there are certain stories that, that, that transcend time, right? Why? Because they have lessons for us.

• 1:29:09Danny Jones?

  Hmm. It's definitely interesting diving into a lot of that stuff. It's a, it definitely gives you a very unique perspective when you actually read it versus like listening to the distilled version of it, stories that you hear like on the internet and stuff like that, you know?

• 1:29:25Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 1:29:25Danny Jones?

  What led you into this Freemasonry stuff?

• 1:29:28Speaker 03

  Hmm, curiosity.

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• 1:30:31Speaker 03

  I mean, I've been studying, you know, because going back to like what we were talking about at the beginning, you know, the alternative, like the alternative version of US history, right? So I was, you know, my dad was giving me books to read and I was just like, you know, checking out his library and, you know, I was still in high school and, you know, getting, getting books like Jim Marr's Rule by Secrecy about the Templars and the Masons and things like that and David Icke's work, you know, and all these different secret societies and, you know, the world of the esoteric. So I, you know, I picked, I carried that, that through, like through college, I was really, you know, just studying history and learning everything I could.

• 1:31:11Speaker 03

  And at a certain point, you get to like this kind of, this door where it's like either you open the door and you start to experience, you start to enter the realm of like the esoteric and actually like, you know, invite, invite the spiritual path and open up to these things that are, must be lived. You can no longer read, you have to actually live it.

• 1:31:35Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:36Speaker 03

  And so, um, yeah, this started in 2009. That uh my friend and I, I met this guy who was friends with my dad and like he, he and I went ghost hunting together and we would go to like.

• 1:31:49Danny Jones?

  As one does.

• 1:31:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, yeah, you know, when you're, if you're in Jersey, in haunted, in haunted New Jersey, you know, there's.

• 1:31:55Danny Jones?

  Is Jersey known for lots of ghosts?

• 1:31:57Speaker 03

  You know, I read Haunted NJ, that was like a magazine.

• 1:32:00Danny Jones?

  I've heard there's like more, uh, I heard there's more uh cemeteries there than like anywhere.

• 1:32:05Speaker 03

  Kinda crazy, it's not that many people.

• 1:32:09Speaker 03

  So, I mean, yeah, I guess, um, Jersey called me back. So it was Jersey, New York. We would just ghost hunting these different like abandoned mental hospitals. Greystone was a massive one, massive one. And uh we just, you know, went multiple times, break in at night, find a place to park, you know, run, you know, run around till we found like an open door, you know.

• 1:32:33Danny Jones?

  How old were you when you were doing this?

• 1:32:35Speaker 03

  I mean, it was like 24, 25, you know, and uh, yeah, it was, it was a trip, you know. I saw, I made my first film about, about those, I, I started working on my first film, basically. It took three years to get made. So in that time, when I was like ghost hunting, working on the film, um, yeah, I went and they, now basically I got initiated into masonry.

• 1:33:02Speaker 03

  And uh, yeah, and went, you know, went through uh, that, you know, again, that was, it's all kind of intertwined in my consciousness, you know.

• 1:33:11Danny Jones?

  Did you believe ghosts were real before you did that? Were you like on the fence or were you?

• 1:33:16Speaker 03

  Um, no, I have the, I had the, um, I had the impression that there's too many stories, you know, when you, when you study and read and understand, like there's a, there's a, there's something happening on earth and, you know, the Bible talks about it, the Elohim and the fallen, you know, the fallen ones that come from the heavens and. Land on Mount Hermon and take female wives.

• 1:33:41Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:33:42Speaker 03

  This is the.

• 1:33:43Danny Jones?

  Sumerian stuff.

• 1:33:44Speaker 03

  Well, this is this is Sumerian, but the Book of Enoch talks about it. The Bible references it, but they they didn't.

• 1:33:50Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:50Speaker 03

  They didn't let the Enoch be an official canonical book, right?

• 1:33:53Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it's all very, very, very similar to the original Sumerian shit. Like the stories, the stories definitely come from that.

• 1:33:59Speaker 03

  Oh, I mean, the most, the Noah story is is a Sumerian text about the flood.

• 1:34:03Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:34:04Speaker 03

  And the king who gets chosen to survive it. But but as far as the intermingling of demigods and humans, it's also Hindu. I mean, it's Greeks talk about it. The Alexander story was, you know, the the mom said that Zeus, you know, slept with her. And that's where Alexander was born from, you know, the son of a god.

• 1:34:25Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:34:25Speaker 03

  Like Achilles or like Hercules, right?

• 1:34:28Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:30Speaker 03

  Bloodline stuff, you know, genetic modification stuff that, um, you know, who knows? But I was, anyway, so I was, I'm of the of the mindset that I needed to experience multidimensionality.

• 1:34:44Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:34:45Speaker 03

  To believe, like, fully believe it. So I was open to it. And I was like, OK, you know, let's, let's go. And it's just, at a certain point, you're just like, OK. The synchronicities become so great.

• 1:34:58Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:59Speaker 03

  The the experiences become extremely strange, high strangeness, I call it. And, I mean, I'm going to put out this documentary, I think, just for free or whatever, just because I want people to like, see it for themselves, based, you know, basically the footage that I got at that time, 2010, 11, 12, of possessions, of, you know, demonic phone calls, of, um, against, you know, synchronicities and like, just things that you can't really, can't like, rationally, I guess you could try to find like, a logical explanation, but at a certain point, you just know, there's this is, there's more going on here than meets the eye, you know?

• 1:35:42Danny Jones?

  So what was the process like of going into the Church of the Freemasons?

• 1:35:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, I don't know if it's a church in that sense, because, you know, they do honor the, you know, a lot of them are of different faiths, right? They can be-

• 1:35:57Danny Jones?

  Are they really?

• 1:35:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, Christian, Jewish, Muslim. My understanding of masonry, you know, people are like, because of my Tucker interview, they're like, you know, you're bad mouthing Masons. I'm like, I don't see anything about Masons. I just think it's an initiatory group, right? Initiatory in the sense that they understand, like, there's something going on at a higher level. And I think higher, even like dimensionally higher. Because that's something that I felt and that I've been told about, like, when you do these rituals or the ritual of just, you know, doing the dialogue, it's a play, right? Like, it's a play and, you know, you walk to like different, you know, the north and the south and the east and the west and all that. And like, you walk to different places and you say your lines and blah blah. It's a play.

• 1:36:42Speaker 03

  But it's a ritual that is being observed multidimensionally, I believe. And that was why I got called right after the first initiation. The phone call was almost like, you know, literally, he said, like, how did you like the meeting?

• 1:37:05Speaker 03

  This voice, you know, it's like, how did you like the meeting? And I was like, it's an interesting game you've got, you know, that kind of thing. But it wasn't like, it wasn't answering my questions about like who you are and whatnot. It was really just telling me that they were watching me, whatever these things are.

• 1:37:22Speaker 03

  And, you know, they were watching me all the way back-

• 1:37:24Danny Jones?

  Did it just sound like a dude?

• 1:37:25Speaker 03

  It was a man's voice and then it was a woman's voice and she sounded more demonic than he did. Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 1:37:34Danny Jones?

  Demonic how? Like, like you hear in the movie?

• 1:37:40Speaker 03

  Like, I kind of like, I- What did she say? Yeah, very witchy. They'll make me show you something to really be scared about. That kind of thing.

• 1:37:53Speaker 03

  Very witchy.

• 1:37:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, they were just watching. I mean, they were observing. They were letting me know that they watch. I was in like, I was pretty like, it was a pretty intense time because between that and other things that were going on, I went on Alex Jones' show at that point, like 2000. I want to say 2011, I was on for the first time on Alex's show, talking about these things. You know, and Alex was so funny. He was just like, ah, it's probably the NSA or the CIA, you know, they're just messing with you. And I'm like, listen, those guys definitely.

• 1:38:27Danny Jones?

  Those guys are definitely embedded in all the cults.

• 1:38:29Speaker 03

  They are. Well, I mean, that's one of the, one of the theories about a lot of the alien stuff, right, is that, um, like they're open. Okay, so one of the theories about it is that some of these beings, these aliens that have been showing up are demons that have been like portals that have been opened by people like Aleister Crowley. So like, it was not, it wasn't Crowley, it was, it was his acolytes.

• 1:38:59Speaker 03

  Hubbard from the Scientologists.

• 1:39:00Danny Jones?

  Parsons.

• 1:39:01Speaker 03

  Hubbard and Parsons, right? So Hubbard goes on as founder Scientologist. Before he founds the Scientologists, he's working with Parsons and Parsons is like, and that he's, I think he was writing Crowley about Hubbard. He was like enamored by Hubbard. He's like, this guy is like so telemic. He's so willful, you know? And Parsons had set up the OTO here, right? In Pasadena, not here, in Pasadena. And Parsons was a rocket scientist. He, the JPL, some people say JPL is actually not Jet Propulsion Lab, it's Jack Parsons Lives, right? So brilliant guy ends up dying in a weird freak way that makes you wonder what had really happened, you know?

• 1:39:43Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:43Speaker 03

  Blew himself up or something, which.

• 1:39:45Danny Jones?

  Also, L. Ron Hubbard stole his wife, I think.

• 1:39:48Speaker 03

  He did. He stole his girlfriend, I think he became his wife.

• 1:39:51Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:51Speaker 03

  But before that, they did a working, a Babylon working.

• 1:39:55Danny Jones?

  A Babylon working?

• 1:39:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, Babylon working. It's cool.

• 1:39:58Danny Jones?

  What does that mean?

• 1:39:59Speaker 03

  They were trying to like, bring on, what was it? The Scarlet Woman, I think? I think they were trying to invoke the Scarlet Woman from like, book revelation kind of stuff. Bring on the Scarlet Woman. And that becomes the girlfriend of Parsons that, no, she shows up in their life after this. Some Marjorie, is it Marjorie Cameron or something? I can't remember. Anyway, it's an interesting story, but the point was that, um, yeah, Nakian magic, which, when the one time I read some Nakian magic, I got a phone call from a demon saying, are you a sorcerer? So yeah, Marjorie Cameron shows up and

• 1:40:37Speaker 03

  anyway, this is crazy. This is wild stuff, man. I'm telling you, you start messing with this, things happen. It opens portals. But some people think, because the ritual was in 46, that it opened the door to the UFO sightings, starting in 47, right before Roswell. It was like the first major wave. And then Roswell is what, like right around July 4th?

• 1:40:59Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:40:59Speaker 03

  Forty-seven. And so some people thought that this was actually like, yeah, like they were doing these workings and opening portals to these beings to come through.

• 1:41:10Speaker 03

  Anyway, that's, there are definitely people in the, um, like the military intel world that would believe, you know, that believe this stuff. And that's why, look, if you, if you know it's there, you, you know, you probably, you do find your faith. So that's why, you know, I don't laugh, I don't scoff at people like Teal finding Christianity if it's genuine. You know, because when you, when you know this stuff is real, you do look for faith. You do basically look to solidify your faith in your creator, because that's the only power you've got against these things.

• 1:41:38Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:38Speaker 03

  And if they look at the potential for AI as demonic, or the portals being opened by, let's say those windows, you know, these dark mirrors, because that's,

• 1:41:47Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:47Speaker 03

  that's what these are. These are dark mirrors. You know, every phone, every screen is a dark mirror in the old days. What did witches and conjurers work with? Dark mirrors, that's how they would invoke the spirits in a dark mirror.

• 1:42:01Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:42:01Speaker 03

  You know, black mirror, they call them black mirrors.

• 1:42:04Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:42:05Speaker 03

  But that's what we're surrounded by now, black mirrors.

• 1:42:07Danny Jones?

  So.

• 1:42:08Speaker 03

  So we're all playing portals left and right, maybe.

• 1:42:10Danny Jones?

  So what are, what is a demon? What do you think a demon actually is?

• 1:42:14Speaker 03

  A low vibrational frequency, low vibrational entity, I would say. So again, I think you can feel these things like based on the feeling it gives you. Like if something, if something like brings like a higher, like I don't think that demons can operate from like a place of heart and love, right? And high and up, they're going to operate from like, from here down. So they're going to feed on our, our appetites, like our lesser appetites. You know, and that's why the seven sins, it's all like, you know, Dante's Inferno, greed and lust and theft and murder and treachery and all that, you know, that leads you into hell.

• 1:42:49Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:42:49Speaker 03

  Right? And then if you, you know, if you start to work with the heart, you know, ask forgiveness, be aware of people, you know, people that you heard, things that you do that, you know, that hurt others, like you start to have more awareness, more reciprocity in relationships, like that's, that's where we want to be as humans, right? So the demons, I think they feed on and operate at that lower level. And when you, as a human, are operating at that level, and we all do at some extent, to some extent, but like the more we do, like the more that they can attach to that. And that's why I think that there's a lot of entities that do attach to humans. And the more, you know, the more you surrender to them essentially.

• 1:43:30Danny Jones?

  Yeah. I'm reading this book, I'm reading this book about Satan right now that Jacques Vallée recommended. And it's this French book written by French Carmelite. And I forget who wrote it, somebody, some French people wrote it.

• 1:43:47Danny Jones?

  And the case the book makes is that.

• 1:43:51Danny Jones?

  That sort of way of being, that satanic way of being is the default mode for humanity. Like humanities are by default satanic unless you accept Jesus into your heart. And that's the only way you can get rid of it. That's what the book says.

• 1:44:09Speaker 03

  I don't agree with that. I don't, I think that Jesus is a path in a way, but I think there's plenty of people around the world who are not satanic, who don't believe in Jesus, but are still good people.

• 1:44:18Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:44:18Speaker 03

  You know, in the sense that, I mean, that's kind of like the old, you know, Jesuit, you know, thing like, we have to convert you heathens, otherwise, you know, you're damned to hell kind of thing, right?

• 1:44:27Danny Jones?

  Right, right.

• 1:44:29Speaker 03

  But I think that Jesus is the way in a sense of like, he's an example, he's like, he's, he's an example of like the perfected human, right? So certainly, you know, it's a great model to, you know, to, to, to follow, to embrace, to love. But the idea that like, you have to follow Jesus to be good, I don't think that's, that's accurate. I think that people inherently know right from wrong when it comes to hurting others. Empathy, I would say that's to me the barometer.

• 1:45:01Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:01Speaker 03

  Are you empathetic? You know, even as a kid, are you empathetic? Are you a sociopath? Are you one of those kids that like kills animals?

• 1:45:07Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:45:08Speaker 03

  Hurts other people and like gets off on, like gets high on hurting people.

• 1:45:12Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:45:12Speaker 03

  Or do you say like, oh, I hurt you, I'm sorry?

• 1:45:14Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:45:15Speaker 03

  That's the key. That's empathy.

• 1:45:17Danny Jones?

  Does Crowley or Parsons ever talk, is there, I mean, I've never read, I haven't read anything on what they were doing back then, but do they talk about how they were able to do this? I mean, it says like sex rituals and shit like that, but like specifically like what?

• 1:45:30Speaker 03

  So the ritual, the Babylon working, they sing a Nakian magic. I mean, Nakian magic, you can find books on it, just like it's, it's incantations that John Dee put together. The, the queen, the Queen Elizabeth, you know, head sorcerer.

• 1:45:42Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:44Speaker 03

  And that's powerful stuff. As I mentioned, I did, I did a, I picked up one of the books in my library and I started doing, I read the, the incantation.

• 1:45:53Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:45:54Speaker 03

  Then meditated and thirty minutes later, I got a phone call from one of these unknown numbers.

• 1:45:57Danny Jones?

  Whoa.

• 1:45:58Speaker 03

  And it was literally like, this like thing coming through. Are you a sorcerer? And then it was like, and then it was garbled. It was really hard to understand the rest of what it said.

• 1:46:08Danny Jones?

  Did you call them?

• 1:46:09Speaker 03

  Talking and talking and talking, then it disconnected.

• 1:46:12Danny Jones?

  Did you call the number back?

• 1:46:13Speaker 03

  It was unknown number.

• 1:46:14Danny Jones?

  An unknown number?

• 1:46:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. I would get these like, unknown numbers or six, six, six, six, six, six, six, six, six numbers. It was like, it was a wild time.

• 1:46:24Danny Jones?

  Brother was CIA. They were on you.

• 1:46:27Speaker 03

  No, one of them was a ball worship. It was like a ritual. Yeah, it was one time. It was like, I put on Alex Jones because I was like, this is like, I recorded it, but like, they called, I was with my friend who was also the Mason. And it was six, six, six. And it was like, literally they were going like, they were invoking ball. They were like, it was, it was like, they were trying to draw our energy into their ritual, it sounded like. They were, they were calling us and like, talking about ball and all, all, all, all, all, and these kind of chanting kind of voices. And we're just like, what, what do you, you know, what do you want, you know? But it's never, they don't, they're never clear, you know, that's the point.

• 1:47:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:02Speaker 03

  It's always, it's like, they're trying to pull you energetically into something. That's what it feels like.

• 1:47:08Danny Jones?

  Who, who?

• 1:47:12Speaker 03

  The entities.

• 1:47:13Danny Jones?

  The entities.

• 1:47:14Speaker 03

  The entities. I mean, the entities are like, and again, I don't think all like aliens are demons. It's just, there's different entities with different agendas. Some, as I said, you can feel it by the frequent, like by the, by where you're at. Like, does it feel like it's parasitic, like it's sucking on you and that it's like, that it's dark? Or does it feel loving and, you know, of like, of God? I mean, I think that there's so many entities in this planet that we don't see, you know, that are invisible to the naked eye. Because we only experience like, less than one percent of reality.

• 1:47:44Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:47:44Speaker 03

  You know?

• 1:47:45Danny Jones?

  Right. Well, I think it's very interesting, you know, that all of these people like Jack Parsons and L. Ron, not necessarily, I wouldn't discard him, but like Jack Parsons and,

• 1:47:57Danny Jones?

  Werner von Braun and all these people that were like the foundation of the space program were like so involved in this non-material, this like non-material sort of spiritual crazy stuff like this, right?

• 1:48:13Speaker 03

  Was von Braun?

• 1:48:14Danny Jones?

  I believe von Braun was, yeah, I believe, I mean, he was definitely like one of the, wasn't he also connected to Parsons somehow and like?

• 1:48:22Speaker 03

  I don't remember about.

• 1:48:23Danny Jones?

  I know that there was lots of Nazis that were very much into this stuff and they were like allegedly creating some kind of like very advanced esoteric technology.

• 1:48:33Speaker 03

  Well, that goes back to like the SS cult.

• 1:48:37Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:38Speaker 03

  The Deathhead, right, the thing like Himmler was really into the Grail lore and he had, they had the castle and they had like this blacks, was it the Black Sun or they had like this ritualistic markings and they seemed to have been doing some black magic.

• 1:48:50Danny Jones?

  But like my overall point is like, it seems to be like there's, there's, there's way more to some of the, the peak of technology and the space program and the history of the space program. There's way more to it than just the basic materialist view of science, right? There's definitely some crazy magic going on.

• 1:49:12Speaker 03

  Because I don't think we understand what space is.

• 1:49:13Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:49:14Speaker 03

  You know, this kind of goes like the question of like, it would be fascinating to go up to the, the, um, the space station even or just, you know, just out of the atmosphere and just experience what space is, you know, how it affects consciousness.

• 1:49:25Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:26Speaker 03

  Um, because like I said, just, just hiking in the Himalayas, like you're, like my consciousness was like, I felt like I was walking with like Eden or something like some, like not Eden, but like some pre-Diluvian world, you know, before the floods, before the, before humans came, it's like the mountains are just like have this ancient power to them.

• 1:49:45Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:46Speaker 03

  And then, you know, what is space? It's really mysterious. It's not, it doesn't, I don't think it's a vacuum. I think it's, it's probably, um, filled with, uh, like plasma.

• 1:49:57Speaker 03

  You never heard this, the plasma science, like the whole, like, what's it called? Like lightning bolts of the gods and all the plasma physics?

• 1:50:04Danny Jones?

  Remind me.

• 1:50:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, just basically plasma is like, um, it's called like the fourth state of matter.

• 1:50:10Danny Jones?

  Right, right.

• 1:50:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, so it's ionically charged. Yeah, but the idea is that like, there's literally like plasma across space. And it's like, so it's not an empty vacuum. It's filled with plasma.

• 1:50:21Danny Jones?

  Okay, interesting. Yeah.

• 1:50:24Speaker 03

  There's a whole physics around it, like, and how, like, explaining like how the universe is designed differently than what the current cosmology wants everyone to believe, that it's sort of like a big bang and bang expansion and like leading into like a, you know, to heat death, right? Like currently, it's like, it's just expanding to death, right? We're all gonna, everything's gonna get so far apart that it's all gonna end up in like, in a, in a death of the, of the universe.

• 1:50:49Danny Jones?

  Right, right.

• 1:50:49Speaker 03

  You know?

• 1:50:50Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:50Speaker 03

  Plasma physics has a completely different cosmology.

• 1:50:53Danny Jones?

  Well, like, that, we're, we're trying to fit the universe into like a different ontology, right? Is this what's going on? Like, there's just the idea, I've had some pers- uh, people explain this to me before, how like, just the idea that the universe had to have started at one point and is going to end at one point and was created at a time and a place by a single person or entity.

• 1:51:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:51:20Danny Jones?

  Is kind of a fallacy, right? Because there's constantly, we know for a fact that there are planets constantly living, being born and dying. The same thing with solar systems and galaxies and universes are constantly being destroyed and, and emerging all over the place. So, like, the idea, like, that idea that this is like a linear thing is kind of a, a fallacy.

• 1:51:42Speaker 03

  Biblical.

• 1:51:43Danny Jones?

  It's biblical.

• 1:51:43Speaker 03

  Goes back to the Bible story and that's why, you know, who, you know, it makes you wonder, was the Bible written really in Babylon? You know, when the Jews were in captivity in Babylon, is that really where the Bible was created?

• 1:51:57Speaker 03

  The Old Testament.

• 1:51:58Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:51:58Speaker 03

  You know?

• 1:51:59Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:59Speaker 03

  Cause again, it's like a mixture, as you said, like, it's a mixture of some Sumerian myths, um, some Egyptian stuff, but it's, there's definitely this idea of like, you know, God creating the universe and then essentially like, reaching to this crescendo, this Twilight of the Gods moment of, uh, uh, the apocalypse or Armageddon, right? And then the return of the king.

• 1:52:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, you know, you really do wonder what's this is, are we just, you know, how do you say, are we going to play out the mythology that we've chosen?

• 1:52:32Danny Jones?

  Yeah. How, how, how deep do you think like the world leaders or like the upper echelon of bankers and secret societies that control the world are really into this kind of stuff?

• 1:52:48Speaker 03

  I think the ones that are in the know are very into it. I think the ones that are like dynastic, the ones who count, like who actually know their bloodlines, who actually like care about title and they're initiated. So as I mentioned, like the Masons, like the Masons are a vast initiatory group. Once you're, once you're there, I think you get selected into more, like you, you know, paths get, you know, you get selected into more like secret groupings, you know, or whatnot. You can end up with, you know, in the OTO, for example, which is like the Crowley kind of, you know, sex and blood magic kind of stuff, you know, you can end up with the Templars, you could end up with other, any number. I mean, there's so many, especially

• 1:53:32Speaker 03

  in Europe. I mean, Europe is filled with like, you know, the old dynastic bloodline families that I think have, you know, that's always been the rumor, like they're much worse when it comes to like the cannibalism of kids and the kind of like the blood sacrifice kind of stuff, that it's, it's much darker in Europe than here.

• 1:53:53Danny Jones?

  Really? Yeah, this is all kind of, this whole conversation we're having is like a conversation that you'd be laughed out of a room for having two years ago, right? And it's like, now that the Epstein files have come out and like all of these things have been,

• 1:54:08Speaker 03

  I mean, it's

• 1:54:09Danny Jones?

  For one, for whatever, like you could say validated. I mean, the government hasn't really acknowledged any of it. They just kind of dropped it on us and we're like, we're left to fend for ourselves, to rationalize it for ourselves.

• 1:54:21Speaker 03

  Totally, totally.

• 1:54:22Danny Jones?

  But like, the fact that that was dropped on us is pretty crazy because you can't dismiss it anymore.

• 1:54:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:54:32Speaker 03

  What how to make how to make sense of it. I mean, I I had to deal with like making sense of this stuff back in like the 90s and 2000s.

• 1:54:40Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:40Speaker 03

  You know, when I was first reading about the Franklin scandal and whatnot. And that's why I did the the best kept secret docu series to

• 1:54:47Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:47Speaker 03

  Try to get people like a little bit of a thread or a path to make sense of a world where, you know, governments, politicians are involved in the trafficking and protecting it because the politicians are themselves either involved or compromised.

• 1:55:02Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:55:04Speaker 03

  You know, kind of with like with the drug traffic. I mean, I literally touched on all these different threads, you know, the issue of like how we are mind controlled through media, through storytelling, right? To basically like, think of these things as fantastical or far out, or you know, they drop little hints like in the red染 chrome and

• 1:55:25Speaker 03

  Fear and loving Las Vegas, right? Where he's like, he's tripping and he's seeing the dinosaurs, reptilians essentially, right?

• 1:55:31Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:32Speaker 03

  But it's coming from such a far out source that you're not taking it very seriously, except Hunter Thompson was a very good journalist. Because as crazy as gonzo as he was, he really was like immersing himself in all these these things. In fact, he was even part of like Nixon's, you know, he was part of like Nixon's campaign, like he was a journalist, like covering the campaign. I mean, he was, he was a serious journalist. He was just crazy. Because he opened himself to like everything.

• 1:55:59Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:59Speaker 03

  And ultimately killed himself because I think he knew too much.

• 1:56:04Speaker 03

  And that's, well, I mean, going back to like the nature of like, the book, the 10 Things to Learn, it's like, we are in the world having eaten the apple. We are in the world of mind. And everything that we think has to have some expression in our reality. So we actually have a lot of power. We have, but we have to start with like recognizing the power of our thoughts and where our attention's going.

• 1:56:30Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:56:30Speaker 03

  Right? Because all these things can only occur because we're allowing them to occur. You know, the dark stuff that's going on. We're allowing it. We accept it. And if we didn't, we would have stopped it. Collectively, we collectively are accepting these things.

• 1:56:46Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:48Speaker 03

  Sadly, sadly to say, and people will be outraged and be like, how can we accept this? Like, no, thankfully, we're starting to recognize what we've accepted. Because so many, for so long, people turned a blind eye. For so long culturally, like you said, it was, you'd laugh. Someone talks about something like, you know, human sacrifice.

• 1:57:04Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:57:05Speaker 03

  They'd laugh. So basically, by ridiculing, you're accepting. Rather than inquiring, investigating, saying, wait, no, I want to know more. Wait, this isn't okay, it's not acceptable. We have to stop calling people crazy for having, you know, seen things or observed things or learned things that are uncomfortable. Only when we face the darkness are we going to be able to shine light on it. And that will bring it to an end.

• 1:57:30Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:57:31Speaker 03

  But as long as we try to be polite, you know, as they, you know, they've maintained the polite society around all this stuff, you know, whether it's pedophilia, whether it's, you know, darker crimes, it's like so much has been hidden.

• 1:57:44Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:57:45Speaker 03

  And now it's really time to like, be like David, who's like, you know, transgressed, you know, he's King David, remember he, he took, you know, he basically impregnated a married woman. He sent her husband off to die. Basically kills the guy so he can hide his transgression.

• 1:58:01Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:58:02Speaker 03

  Guess what? He's got to, he's got to get right with God. I'm like, that's where we are. We have to get right with our Creator and really acknowledge the reality that we have co-creative collectively and stop making it them. Because that's always the excuse. They're the bad ones there. Yeah, but have you done the homework? Have you done your inner work? Are you spreading light? Are you doing, you know, are you being as good as you can every day? Even just in a small way? Because if we all make, like, if we all clean up our own, our own mess, the reality will change.

• 1:58:37Danny Jones?

  Interesting. You think you'd have like a bottom up effect on the world?

• 1:58:40Speaker 03

  It's the only way. Be the change you want to see in the world. It's the only way.

• 1:58:46Speaker 03

  You can't change other people.

• 1:58:47Danny Jones?

  So if we all, if we all start meditating and doing Saint Kumbaya and getting right with ourselves, with our communities, with our families, this can somehow stop the absolute chaos we see happening on the global stage somehow?

• 1:59:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:59:11Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 1:59:12Speaker 03

  Changes the priorities.

• 1:59:15Speaker 03

  Changes the.

• 1:59:16Danny Jones?

  I like, I like it.

• 1:59:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, because it's the things we need to learn. We all fail. We all have, you know, we all fall. We all have our, um, you know, our, our falls from grace, our, you know, our, our breakdowns, right? But like, what happens after that? You know, after that, you have to like, we have to learn to surrender, to cry.

• 1:59:35Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:36Speaker 03

  To be transformed, right? Cause that's how like, then we recognize what we actually like, what our priorities are. What do we actually care about?

• 1:59:44Speaker 03

  And when we realize what we care about, we also realize what we hate. And so hating is not a bad thing because it's an energy force. But we have to like, learn like, okay, you can be like Hitler and try to like, hate, hate, you know, I'm gonna hate and I'm gonna exterminate that which I hate. Or you can be like Gandhi and be like, no, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna not hate the person. I'm gonna hate the system and I'm gonna work to change the system. You know, and even when someone kills him, he still forgives the guy that kills him.

• 2:00:10Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:11Speaker 03

  You know, he literally is like Christ, he's like, I forgive you.

• 2:00:14Danny Jones?

  When you describe that, that sucking feeling of like the parasitic demonic force that you call, well, I, I feel like that is something that is inherent with, and that comes with money and power. Cause it seems like the people who have the most money and the most power are the ones that sort of lose empathy.

• 2:00:36Speaker 03

  They're the most afraid.

• 2:00:38Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:39Speaker 03

  It's the thing is like, you know, when you, when you've got an image, it's like, if you have an image to maintain or you have money to maintain, right? And you realize like the power and the responsibility, well, now you have to, if you know, when, when it comes to the wealth, you can live with that reptilian brain, which is like our root, right? Of our brain, it's like that ancient fear. I have to strike before the other one strikes me, it's stupid game theory, you know, it's like, screw the other guy before you screw you kind of mentality.

• 2:01:11Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:01:11Speaker 03

  You know, you end up, you know, you end up sociopathic.

• 2:01:15Danny Jones?

  And this is a story, this is old as, this is old as the written word, right? I mean, we have these same stories, it's like, it's so spooky to me. How like some of the stories that you read in this Epstein files, parallel, some of the shit happening with like ancient Roman empires, you know? Like Tiberius and.

• 2:01:30Speaker 03

  The Romans, um, they look, I mean, there's an interesting question that how much was. Picked up from the east, through the nature of like, once the republic fell, right? It was like it turns into an empire and they go eastward and there's a, who was it? Was it one of the writers basically said, if you look in the Roman, like look in the names now of all the Roman families, they're all basically from the east. They've been like, we've been bringing Babylonian people basically into our, into our empire. It's no longer traditional Rome. It's now been like, we've adopted eastern ways, Babylonian ways, practices and more hedonism.

• 2:02:12Speaker 03

  And I mean, yeah, the stories around Capri where, was it Tiberius was in Capri? Where he had his villa?

• 2:02:17Danny Jones?

  Capri, yeah.

• 2:02:18Speaker 03

  And that's where like, he would have like the boys and you know, they did, they threw people off the cliff, I think.

• 2:02:23Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:24Speaker 03

  All that kind of stuff. Yeah, the debauchery. I mean, it became, and then, you know, they, yeah, they became hedonistic. They became, they, they, they operated with cults and.

• 2:02:35Danny Jones?

  There was an archaeologist who excavated that island and they found just like off the edge of that cliff, just tons of skeletons of children.

• 2:02:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. And so they had, and they have the cults of power. So like, if you're not initiated into the right cult, you won't know, you know, the kind of dark stuff, that how do you say, you won't, you won't have power in that society. You have to be initiated. So it was, you know, how do you say? Yeah, it was not a great model. I mean, people are, you know, yeah, they, they built an infrastructure. They, they had what water, you know, piping and like, you know, some amazing, what do you call it? The water, aqueducts and things like this and some great architecture. But no, and then they, they basically ended up relying on mercenaries and gradually it collapsed.

• 2:03:22Speaker 03

  They had to, I mean, the interesting question is like Catholicism is very much Roman adoption, right? It's like the continuation of the Roman empire by turning the, you know, the emperor into a pope and the Roman senate into the Roman curia. And so ironically, the Roman empire has survived in the form of the Catholic church. Because spiritual, that was the only way to survive, you know, they didn't have the the moral impetus, but they could find a spiritual impetus to survive. And now the Catholic Church is still one of the wealthiest groups in the world. And if they're the wealthiest, maybe the wealthiest, right?

• 2:03:59Danny Jones?

  Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And then like, you know, also like some of the crazy disgusting shit that was happening back then, that they were doing that makes no sense to us today, but they probably believed helped them some way, like drinking the like, they would have like old ailing aristocrats who were like dying of some sort of disease, they would slit the throat of some young 20 year old warrior and drink his blood.

• 2:04:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, we still have that. We still, I mean, now we know the power of like, you know, how do you say of like blood transfusions from young people? Isn't that what, isn't that like a new thing now?

• 2:04:32Danny Jones?

  Oh yeah, there's a guy who's famous for it. Brian Johnson, there's this guy who like thinks he's gonna, his goal is to live for as long as possible. And he like started out, I think, taking the blood of his kid, injecting it into himself, I believe.

• 2:04:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:04:44Danny Jones?

  It's just fucking bonkers.

• 2:04:47Speaker 03

  It's Saturn, it's Saturn. So what did Saturn or Cronos in the Greek myth, right? Saturn, Cronos, what does he, you know, he's the, the lord of time and he's unwilling to, to, to, to transfer power. I mean, that's the nature of time. It's like it has to surrender, right? There's a, there's a, there's a not, there's a circularity to it. It's a cycle. But he refuses, so he eats his own children.

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• 2:06:10Speaker 03

  Remember, and then eventually his wife gives him a stone instead of Zeus.

• 2:06:15Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:06:16Speaker 03

  So he eats the stone and Zeus is able to grow up, become strong enough, poisons his father. His father throws up his other children and that become, so the Greek gods, that whole pantheon of, what was it, like nine gods or whatever, they, they are born from, you know, basically Zeus freeing them and then they throw Cronos into the pits of Hades essentially or Tartarus or somewhere. And he gets overthrown eventually, you know, because you can't stop what is inevitable, you know, the passing of the torch, the, the process of, you know, of accepting a new role. He doesn't want to, you know, he doesn't want to give up the crown. He wants to, you know, a lot of these boomers are like that. They want to be the king forever.

• 2:06:58Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:58Speaker 03

  But it will never happen.

• 2:07:00Danny Jones?

  That painting is one of the most fucking dark, demonic, scariest fucking paintings ever. So that thing, that thing eating the children.

• 2:07:07Speaker 03

  It's.

• 2:07:08Danny Jones?

  The god who eats his, eats children or whatever.

• 2:07:10Speaker 03

  It's the Spanish painter.

• 2:07:14Speaker 03

  What's his name? Why am I blanking? I, I love his work. He also did like a Baphomet looking goat head like demon and he did some fascinating stuff.

• 2:07:26Speaker 04

  Was that Francis?

• 2:07:28Speaker 03

  Go, go.

• 2:07:28Speaker 04

  Goya?

• 2:07:29Speaker 03

  Goya, yeah.

• 2:07:30Danny Jones?

  Goya?

• 2:07:31Speaker 03

  Yeah. See that guy Sebastian Gorka's name in my head. I'm like Goya. Okay. See that what they do? There's too many names to keep track of. But Goya did other paintings with like the goat head. Right there, like the Black Sabbath out there on the left. There's the goat head. That's like a Yeah, that's an interesting one. And then also, see this? They're having like a Sabbath and she's offering the skeleton child. What is going on?

• 2:07:57Danny Jones?

  Whoa.

• 2:07:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's Goya. And it makes you really wonder. And then go to the far, that's, that's a great shot from the The when Napoleon, when they were rebelling against Napoleon, Napoleon's brother was running Spain.

• 2:08:10Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 2:08:11Speaker 03

  In the 1800s. But then on the far left there, there's another, is that another satanic thing on the left above?

• 2:08:16Danny Jones?

  Oh, up here?

• 2:08:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, that one. What's, what's going on here? That's another Black Sabbath.

• 2:08:20Danny Jones?

  A little bit more?

• 2:08:21Speaker 03

  Oh, that's as far as

• 2:08:22Danny Jones?

  Oh, what is going on there?

• 2:08:23Speaker 03

  Which is coven.

• 2:08:24Danny Jones?

  Those owls?

• 2:08:25Speaker 03

  Bats and stuff.

• 2:08:26Danny Jones?

  Bats?

• 2:08:26Speaker 03

  Owls. No, you're right. They're owls. Maybe owls. There's like a human, there's a human, that's a like an incubus.

• 2:08:33Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 2:08:34Speaker 03

  In the sky.

• 2:08:35Danny Jones?

  When was this painted? When was this created? Does it say, Steve?

• 2:08:41Speaker 03

  So It's probably around 18 something, 1800.

• 2:08:44Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:45Speaker 03

  Yeah. So, one of my Friend of mine told me she was doing research in the Spanish, so Goya was Spanish, right? She was doing research in the Spanish

• 2:08:57Speaker 03

  Museum, like a national museum in Madrid, I think. And she goes, she was like there at night, like, and it was She like started hearing these, like something like echoing. And she got curious and she went off to like an area that was roped off. And she basically like got close enough to like see, she said there was like a bunch of cloaked people and they were doing some kind of incantation. Drawing upon the energy of paintings in the museum. Like Ghostbusters 2 style.

• 2:09:31Speaker 03

  And that would be the kind of thing that, again, royals would have access to. People of, it's not just the kings and queens. I mean, obviously, all these countries in Europe still have kings and queens, but they've got the princes, they've got the dukes, they've got the titles and stuff. That's why I say there's a lot of stuff that goes on still. But, you know, under the guise of like, it's a democracy or whatever.

• 2:09:48Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:49Speaker 03

  You know, if you're really in power, you don't wanna, you don't wanna claim it. You wanna be behind the scenes.

• 2:09:54Danny Jones?

  I had this guy on who's a coroner in France, and he does autopsies on ancient people. So, on the remains of ancient people. Like, he did work on the remains of Picasso, Napoleon.

• 2:10:11Danny Jones?

  And he was also explaining that there's these paintings that were going around that were allegedly painted using the blood of King Louis XIII or something like this. And, um, or using his heart, because his heart allegedly was like sold on the black market. Someone took his heart and they, someone allegedly bought his heart. And the story was that, that his heart was used to paint this painting. Remember this painting, Steve? And so, so he did an examination of the painting. And he tested the red pigment in the painting, like, took a sample of it, put it under microscopes and tested it, all that. And sure as shit, like, he tested the DNA and all that stuff. It was the actual heart fibers in the red pigment of the painting that belonged to that king.

• 2:10:56Speaker 03

  I'm not surprised.

• 2:10:57Danny Jones?

  Insane stuff, what they were doing, man. And then he also showed us, um, have you seen the...

• 2:11:05Danny Jones?

  Is this it?

• 2:11:08Danny Jones?

  Is this, oh, this one's actually in the Louvre. So, yeah, if you look at the red, the red pigment on her dress, that's from the fucking heart of which king? Let's get the king right.

• 2:11:21Danny Jones?

  Oh, there, there it was. It was down there. King Louis, Louis, Louis XIII.

• 2:11:27Speaker 03

  XIII and XIV.

• 2:11:27Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:11:28Speaker 03

  Wait, no. Um, yeah, both kings.

• 2:11:30Danny Jones?

  Any of them.

• 2:11:31Speaker 03

  Wow. Wow.

• 2:11:35Danny Jones?

  The Mummy Brown and the Marvelous Glaze.

• 2:11:37Speaker 03

  Where's the restroom? I think if you look up the Sean Stone, Alex Jones interview. You might find.

• 2:11:45Danny Jones?

  We'll be right back. The Skull of Mary Magdalene. Have you seen that at the Basilica in France?

• 2:11:52Speaker 03

  And Saint Baum?

• 2:11:54Danny Jones?

  Uh, no, I think it's.

• 2:11:55Speaker 03

  Well, that's where she was, she, she died, right? They have a, the.

• 2:11:58Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:11:59Speaker 03

  Sanctuary devoted to her in Saint Baum. It's a cave. It's really cool.

• 2:12:03Danny Jones?

  Right. So there's no, this is somewhere else, Steve. Find, show, show the, uh, the skull of Mary Magdalene. It's like, it's like, it looks like it's in the space helmet, dude. It's wild looking.

• 2:12:12Speaker 04

  I, oh shit. I have that. There you go.

• 2:12:16Danny Jones?

  So right there. Yeah. Relux of Mary Magdalene. So this is allegedly the actual skull of Mary Magdalene.

• 2:12:22Speaker 03

  In Saint Baum.

• 2:12:22Danny Jones?

  Oh, is that where it is? Okay.

• 2:12:24Speaker 04

  Saint.

• 2:12:25Danny Jones?

  So this guy, this French guy, uh, Charlier, Philippe Charlier, who is the coroner. He's been trying to get them to give him permission to examine the skull and test it to see if it was really her.

• 2:12:40Speaker 03

  Why not?

• 2:12:40Danny Jones?

  And they won't let him.

• 2:12:42Speaker 03

  They don't want it to prove to be Hitler's.

• 2:12:43Danny Jones?

  They don't want it. They want it.

• 2:12:44Speaker 03

  Exactly. Being Hitler's skull.

• 2:12:47Speaker 04

  Can you imagine?

• 2:12:49Danny Jones?

  Oh my God, dude.

• 2:12:52Speaker 03

  You know, because apparently remember the, the skull that the Russians had that they said was Hitler? They remember.

• 2:12:57Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:12:57Speaker 03

  That they got possession of the body.

• 2:12:58Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah. So he was a part of that.

• 2:13:00Speaker 03

  What was?

• 2:13:01Danny Jones?

  Charlier, this guy I'm telling you about. So he, he actually did an examination of not the skull, but the teeth of the jaw, part of the jawbone of Hitler.

• 2:13:09Speaker 03

  Which one?

• 2:13:10Danny Jones?

  I don't know.

• 2:13:11Speaker 03

  Because the one the Russians had was a woman.

• 2:13:14Danny Jones?

  Bruh. Oh, what?

• 2:13:16Speaker 03

  Yeah. I was like, remember like most likely Hitler escaped the bunker.

• 2:13:21Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:13:21Speaker 03

  Right?

• 2:13:22Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:13:22Speaker 03

  And there's, it's even come out recently, I thought. Was it which files? Which batch of files was it? Epstein, CIA, some files was talking about this that like Hitler, escaped, you know, escaped Germany after, you know, during the war and they faked his suicide.

• 2:13:38Danny Jones?

  This was in some of those declassified files?

• 2:13:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, this, this come out.

• 2:13:43Danny Jones?

  I vaguely remember something like this, but I.

• 2:13:47Speaker 03

  Just information overload.

• 2:13:48Danny Jones?

  Yeah. See what you can find.

• 2:13:50Speaker 03

  It's too many. It's too much to keep track of what's real, what's hallucination, what's AI hallucinating.

• 2:13:56Danny Jones?

  Well, I mean, what are the chances that all his top generals made it out alive, but he was the one that was noble enough to sink, go down with the ship?

• 2:14:04Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, exactly.

• 2:14:06Danny Jones?

  You know?

• 2:14:06Speaker 03

  Borman was a major one. That was his like chief secretary. And, uh, yeah, he was, you know, again, the, like you said, the rat lines got a lot of them out. So why wouldn't he have been the first to basically say, I'm, you know, get me out of here?

• 2:14:22Danny Jones?

  Yeah, right. And he probably went to Argentina. This is how the story goes, right?

• 2:14:27Speaker 03

  Uh, yeah, yeah, that's one of the destinations.

• 2:14:33Danny Jones?

  Man, I'm so pissed. We can't find this audio recording of this demon calling you.

• 2:14:39Danny Jones?

  That would have been great.

• 2:14:42Danny Jones?

  When is the documentary come out?

• 2:14:43Speaker 03

  It'll be out. It'll be out in like a few weeks here.

• 2:14:46Danny Jones?

  A few weeks.

• 2:14:46Speaker 03

  So.

• 2:14:47Danny Jones?

  Are you gonna put it on YouTube?

• 2:14:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, I should get it to you guys. I should get, I should get you guys the, uh, the documentary. You can play a clip from it or something.

• 2:14:54Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would love to see it. Yeah, but the story, the story of, uh, the story of all that, the history of all that and of, um, you know, how Hitler's life ended. It's very, very interesting. It's very, the story doesn't seem to make sense with the official narrative. Cause like when Felipe, this corner I'm telling you about, when he was getting permission by the KGB, or the FSB or whatever it was to go get access to it, it was like, like lots of interrogations these guys had to go through to get in, to, and interviews they had to go through to get access to their archives where they had the Hitler skull.

• 2:15:30Speaker 03

  So where?

• 2:15:31Danny Jones?

  The jawbone.

• 2:15:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, that's where it says that, um, the DNA test showed that was a woman's skull. But what is it? What are the new files that are out about Hitler escaping, um, to, uh, to South America?

• 2:15:41Danny Jones?

  Yeah, there was new government declassification, uh, new declassified files by the government that alluded to Hitler escaping or Hitler surviving.

• 2:15:56Danny Jones?

  So you would type in something like declassified files Hitler escape. Um, type that into your AI and see what it will come up with. It should have something.

• 2:16:08Speaker 03

  Your AI should know something about that.

• 2:16:13Speaker 03

  No, I mean, I, I use, I use AI a lot. I think it's, it's, um, people, you know, people are funny because they're like, well, AI makes mistakes. I'm like, yeah, you're not supposed to treat it like, like it's God. You're just supposed to use it. You know, as something that can do really rapid research and give you some feedback. It's a perspective.

• 2:16:30Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:16:31Speaker 03

  You know, I think that's the key. You have to keep in mind like it's a perspective. It is not meant to be infallible.

• 2:16:38Danny Jones?

  Well, I mean, whenever people try to like condense and give you like one trough to get all your information, you should always be skeptical of it. Jerusalem Post, the hunt for Hitler, CIA agent. Okay. No, this is not it. This is anything about declassified files here?

• 2:16:55Speaker 03

  There's probably the evidence.

• 2:16:57Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 2:16:58Speaker 03

  Yeah. Millie authorized the classification of documents.

• 2:17:01Danny Jones?

  Okay. Who is this guy Javier Millay?

• 2:17:04Speaker 03

  The president of Argentina.

• 2:17:05Danny Jones?

  Oh, I see. Oh, there you go. Um, oh, I do remember this authorized declassification of these documents after the meeting with uh, Simon Wiesenthal center officials, say, February, the Daily Mail also cited a former UN war crimes investigator. Uh, who is more cautious about claims of Nazis aiming to build a fourth Reich in Argentina. Where Peter Thiel is now building his giant compound.

• 2:17:31Danny Jones?

  Nothing to see here.

• 2:17:34Speaker 03

  It's curious. It's all curious.

• 2:17:36Danny Jones?

  It is.

• 2:17:37Speaker 03

  It's like, well, you know, a lot of things that we can only speculate about, right?

• 2:17:41Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 2:17:43Speaker 03

  So I like, you know, I like to work more from the evidence and, and, you know, build from that, you know? Or lived experience.

• 2:17:50Danny Jones?

  Right. Yeah, definitely, man. Well, dude, thanks for doing this, man.

• 2:17:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:17:54Danny Jones?

  This has been super fun.

• 2:17:55Speaker 03

  It's, it's, it's been a, it's been a ride. I mean, we've gone from, uh, from JFK to the paranormal.

• 2:18:03Danny Jones?

  Yeah, we're all over the place.

• 2:18:06Speaker 03

  To the occult.

• 2:18:10Speaker 03

  Seems pretty fitting.

• 2:18:10Danny Jones?

  There's nothing we haven't covered.

• 2:18:11Speaker 03

  It seems pretty fitting.

• 2:18:13Danny Jones?

  Yeah, the only thing we haven't covered is psychedelics.

• 2:18:17Speaker 03

  Well, which ones?

• 2:18:20Danny Jones?

  You tell me.

• 2:18:22Speaker 03

  I mean, I'm more of a ayahuasca. I've done a boga. Boga was pretty true, was pretty like a, it's, boga was a little bit stronger than ayahuasca, but not too, not dissimilar.

• 2:18:33Danny Jones?

  Uh huh.

• 2:18:34Speaker 03

  Only thing I could say with the boga was the machine elves showed up on that one.

• 2:18:37Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah?

• 2:18:38Speaker 03

  And I didn't get the, I usually get the Elohim with ayahuasca.

• 2:18:42Danny Jones?

  You get the Elohim on ayahuasca?

• 2:18:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:18:45Danny Jones?

  Good lord. I'm too scared to try ayahuasca. I'm terrified to be stuck in that state for that long.

• 2:18:52Speaker 03

  Well, you don't have to be. I mean, you can just take one, one, you know, glass full will, will only take you so far. If, you know, you don't choose to continue and drink like two cups or three cups. It'll only take you for, you know, maybe like a couple hours and it may not take you that deep either. You know, the first round, the first dose may not take you all the way.

• 2:19:18Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:19:18Speaker 03

  So you can just feel like how you, your body's responding and if you're ready to go deeper.

• 2:19:23Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:19:23Speaker 03

  Then you drink more. But it's not like a mushroom where you eat the whole mushroom.

• 2:19:27Danny Jones?

  Have you ever done a regular DMT?

• 2:19:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, I smoked it.

• 2:19:29Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:19:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:19:30Danny Jones?

  I just had a dude in the other day who was the patient zero for this intravenous DMT study, where they put you on an IV of DMT for like a couple hours. And they like interview you and interrogate you the whole time and because they're trying to like figure out what's actually going on.

• 2:19:46Speaker 03

  That's cool.

• 2:19:47Danny Jones?

  Figure out, map the realm, figure out if there's anything there, figure out what it really is. Pretty interesting.

• 2:19:52Speaker 03

  I think it's interesting because, you know, you, like I said, what I see it as you can communicate.

• 2:20:00Speaker 03

  With, you know, whatever entities or your higher self, however you wanna like perceive it, you can ask questions and with intention. So if

• 2:20:08Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:20:09Speaker 03

  If someone is kind of doing it more in a clinical state, they can, they can ask questions that, you know, because the nature of consciousness is such that, you know, as I believe we're co-creating the reality, right? And so as soon as someone else is entering your sphere of consciousness and asking you to like, talk to these beings, now you're directly talking to these beings through that person. You're part of the experience. You've altered.

• 2:20:34Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:20:35Speaker 03

  You've altered the, uh, you've altered the experience.

• 2:20:40Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 2:20:40Speaker 03

  By being present.

• 2:20:41Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:20:41Speaker 03

  Right?

• 2:20:42Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:20:42Speaker 03

  Even just as an observer, let alone when you're asking questions.

• 2:20:45Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:20:46Speaker 03

  And, uh, yeah, so again, like where our consciousness is underlying, like, that's all that I, that's all that we can say exists is my consciousness is all that I can say I know, right? I can never know your consciousness. I can only know you through the experience of my consciousness and the filter of my consciousness. And so like, we're just kind of swimming in this.

• 2:21:07Danny Jones?

  We know it's there, but we don't know what it is or what it comes from. You know, it's like a mystery. It's just like the mystery. It's just like all the biggest mysteries. You know, is there a god? Who built the pyramids? And what the hell is consciousness? What happens after we die?

• 2:21:21Speaker 03

  Well, I think, um, you know, the Egyptians would have said you're building your, your life, directing it towards the afterlife. And that's sort of the Christian mystery too. It's like, you know, we're directing ourselves through our, our work and our, our thoughts, our, our beliefs, our, um, our life, we're directing it towards the afterlife.

• 2:21:41Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:21:41Speaker 03

  That's very Egyptian. The Egyptians were all about that, like preparation for the hereafter. And then, you know, the, I think the idea is that through the, through remaining conscious, through the death experience, the intention is to like, project your, your consciousness into your next incarnation with intention.

• 2:22:00Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 2:22:01Speaker 03

  Where you wanna be, what you wanna experience next.

• 2:22:04Danny Jones?

  Right. Well, it is interesting that, you know, people that experience the, when you do experience these kind of like extremely psychedelic drugs like DMT or ayahuasca, it does seem like very similar to what people describe when they have near death experiences, you know?

• 2:22:19Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 2:22:20Danny Jones?

  Yeah. So it's like, what is that?

• 2:22:23Speaker 03

  The fact that like consciousness is not like not the brain creating consciousness, but consciousness exists and we tune into it.

• 2:22:29Danny Jones?

  Like we're we're an antenna?

• 2:22:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, and we're like we're able to.

• 2:22:33Danny Jones?

  I think that makes sense.

• 2:22:34Speaker 03

  More by like parts of the brain being shut down. That's why the drugs allow us to then like open up.

• 2:22:40Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:22:41Speaker 03

  But it's be careful, like, you know, the nature of drugs, like I like the plant medicines more, but in a in a with an intentional setting, you know, people can get lost in the realms because again, like you talk about like demons and like the lower astral planes or whatnot, the realms where these entities exist that can oftentimes like attach and feed on you and feed on, you know, ego essentially, right? So it's like the ego of, um, you know, cocaine or something, you know, people feeling like they're Superman.

• 2:23:12Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:23:13Speaker 03

  Right?

• 2:23:13Danny Jones?

  Hunter Thompson.

• 2:23:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, but so many people, I think, you know, went down that hole of, uh, you know, I've seen it. I don't I don't I don't touch it, but like a lot of people I've seen with cocaine. It's like, it's part of why my dad had to kick cocaine because he was like, you know, you just everything you've everything that you do, you think is is great. If you're writing a script like you think it's fantastic, you've lost all.

• 2:23:33Danny Jones?

  How come all the greatest writers were on cocaine?

• 2:23:36Speaker 03

  Who?

• 2:23:38Danny Jones?

  Hunter Thompson for one.

• 2:23:40Speaker 03

  I don't know if he's the greatest writer, but okay.

• 2:23:42Danny Jones?

  He's one of the bad, not the greatest, but he was very good. Um, um.

• 2:23:46Speaker 03

  Prolific.

• 2:23:47Danny Jones?

  Um, who is the guy who wrote Cujo? Why am I blanking on his name?

• 2:23:49Speaker 03

  Stephen King.

• 2:23:51Danny Jones?

  Stephen King was fucking going crazy on cocaine and alcohol when he was writing some of his best stuff. Cujo, like famously, he was like on coke the whole time.

• 2:23:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, I guess. I mean, like, it's an upper, you know, so it gives you energy.

• 2:24:03Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:24:03Speaker 03

  But.

• 2:24:04Danny Jones?

  Right. But I mean, and there's something else there, though, I feel like. Maybe not just cocaine.

• 2:24:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:24:08Danny Jones?

  Maybe it's just drugs. Maybe there's some something to do with drugs and creativity that seem to go hand in hand.

• 2:24:13Speaker 03

  No, I mean, look, there again, they're portals, right? So it's like you're opening, you know, you're you're if you're inhibiting some parts of your brain, that's like putting restrictions on you, allowing your imagination to roam more, right? You're allowing yourself to to to to experience more, take more in, to be more, you know, to connect potentially more alive. There is something to that. It just.

• 2:24:35Speaker 03

  I think also with cocaine, it's like, like I said, people can really, they buy their own bullshit too much. It's like they think, you know, and so yeah, maybe you have some success, but you can really be in the ego.

• 2:24:47Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:24:48Speaker 03

  From what I see.

• 2:24:49Danny Jones?

  Well, I think that's probably even psychedelics to an extent, right? Like

• 2:24:52Speaker 03

  Can be.

• 2:24:53Danny Jones?

  It seems like, um, I've heard a lot of people, researchers, people a lot smarter than me about this stuff, explaining how they believe that what psychedelics do is they manifest what's already there in the psyche. And they sort of like reinforced ideals or beliefs, maybe subconscious that you're not aware of.

• 2:25:12Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 2:25:12Danny Jones?

  And they bubble them up to the surface, which is why, you know, you, you get this sort of like, um, a lot of people in the psychedelic space sort of like turn into door knockers. They become evangelists for it, right? They think that they have all the answers, right?

• 2:25:30Danny Jones?

  And it's, it's very strange. And there was this famous study, which I've talked about at nauseam on this show, so I'm sorry. Uh, but there was this, this, um, John Hopkins study with religious professionals, have you heard of that? Where they took, um, religious leaders from Judaism, Christianity, uh, I think Hindu and Islam, and they gave them all psilocybin and they documented what their experience was. And all of their experiences were basically mapped by their religious belief and their religious background.

• 2:25:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:26:00Danny Jones?

  So like what they saw and all that kind of stuff.

• 2:26:02Speaker 03

  See, it's, it's one of those things where it's like chicken or egg though, because I believe like the soul incarnates into that path for a reason, for like a learning experience. So, you know, is that person inventing the reality based on their understanding of theology? Or have they been born into that theology to understand it?

• 2:26:26Danny Jones?

  Like born into a belief?

• 2:26:28Speaker 03

  Yes. Yes. You've chosen a certain culture, a certain belief system to explore it as a soul.

• 2:26:37Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I guess that's possible.

• 2:26:38Speaker 03

  You see, so it's something that we can't really know.

• 2:26:43Speaker 03

  But you can feel into like, you know, why did I? You have to live something, how do you say, like you have to trust that you've chosen something for a reason, to grow in a, you know, to grow on a certain path, to grow in a certain direction.

• 2:26:58Danny Jones?

  Sure.

• 2:26:58Speaker 03

  Right? Yeah. Certain, whatever, in certain tradition, and it can be a country, a culture, language, all these things, you know? But I believe like the co-creative experience is like, yeah, we've chosen to walk this path.

• 2:27:13Danny Jones?

  Very interesting. Well, thanks again, man.

• 2:27:20Danny Jones?

  I need to go try some ayahuasca on that note.

• 2:27:22Speaker 03

  Let's do it. For sure.

• 2:27:25Danny Jones?

  Tell people where they can find your stuff, your YouTube, your documentaries, your books, all that fun stuff.

• 2:27:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, I just keep it simple. SeanStone.info, my website.

• 2:27:34Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:27:34Speaker 03

  I think that's like an easy hub for people to go and just link from there.

• 2:27:40Danny Jones?

  Okay. Fantastic, dude. Well, thank you for doing this, man. We should do it again sometime.

• 2:27:43Speaker 03

  That's great. My pleasure.

• 2:27:45Danny Jones?

  All right. Good night, everybody.

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