#683 - Neil deGrasse Tyson

Neil deGrasse Tyson is an astrophysicist, author and host. His latest book “Lost in Space: 5,000 Facts For Navigating the Universe” is out now. Neil returns to talk about where he’d travel to in a wormhole, his thoughts on the billionaire space race, and what he’s asking aliens if they visit Earth. Neil deGrasse Tyson: https://www.instagram.com/neildegrassetyson/ ------------------------------------------------- Tour Dates! https://theovon.com/tour New Merch: https://www.theovonstore.com ------------------------------------------------- Sponsored By: Celsius: Go to the Celsius Amazon store to check out all of their flavors. #CELSIUSBrandPartner @CelsiusOfficial https://amzn.to/3HbAtPJ Prize Picks: Go to ⁠https://link.prizepicks.com/LME0/TPW⁠ and use code: TPW Mountain Dew: Look for Mountain Dew in stores near you at http://mountaindew.com. Manscaped: Thanks to MANSCAPED® for sponsoring today’s episode! Get The Lawn Mower® Ultra Gen 6 for 15% OFF + Free Shipping with code THEO at http://Manscaped.com! Blue Chew: Discover your options at http://BlueChew.com! Buy two months and get the third for FREE with promo code THEO. Chime: Join the millions who are already banking for free and sign up now at http://Chime.com/THEO Perplexity AI: Ask anything at https://pplx.ai/theo ------------------------------------------------- Music: “Shine” by Bishop Gunn Bishop Gunn - Shine ------------------------------------------------ Submit your funny videos, TikToks, questions and topics you'd like to hear on the podcast to: [email protected] Hit the Hotline: 985-664-9503 Video Hotline for Theo Upload here: https://www.theovon.com/fan-upload Mail stuff to: ATTN: TPW PO BOX 40137 Nashville TN 37204 ------------------------------------------------ Find Theo: Website: https://theovon.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/theovon Facebook: https://facebook.com/theovon Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thispastweekend X: https://twitter.com/theovon YouTube: https://youtube.com/theovon Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheoVonClips Shorts Channel: https://bit.ly/3ClUj8z ------------------------------------------------ Producer: Zach https://www.instagram.com/zachdpowers Producer: Trevyn https://www.instagram.com/trevyn.s/ Producer: Nick https://www.instagram.com/realnickdavis/ Producer: Andrew https://www.instagram.com/bleachmediaofficial/ Producer: Halston https://www.instagram.com/halstonrays/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:30Theo Von?

  He's the most famous astrophysicist in the world. And maybe in some other worlds, we don't know. You know him from his show StarTalk. He has a new book, Lost in Space. 5,000 facts for navigating the universe. We caught up in his hometown of New York City. I'm grateful for his return. Today's guest is Neil deGrasse Tyson.

• 1:11Theo Von?

  We gotta ship some of this badass out into space, man. That's what I'm saying, dude.

• 1:16Speaker 02

  Space, you know, it's expensive though. That's the problem.

• 1:19Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:19Speaker 02

  There's more talk than action.

• 1:22Theo Von?

  No time like the present, man. Neil deGrasse Tyson, good to see you.

• 1:26Speaker 02

  Thanks for having me back on. Oh my gosh, it's been a few years.

• 1:29Theo Von?

  Yeah, it's a pleasure, man.

• 1:31Speaker 02

  And you're in my town now.

• 1:32Theo Von?

  Yes, I was gonna say, yeah, we're here in New York City. We had a chauffeur on and he talked about, uh, he was from the Bronx and he talked one time about.

• 1:39Speaker 02

  The Bronx, say it right.

• 1:40Theo Von?

  The Bronx.

• 1:41Speaker 02

  There you go.

• 1:42Theo Von?

  He was from the Bronx.

• 1:44Speaker 02

  The Bronx.

• 1:45Theo Von?

  And it's, I heard there's a lot of Asians over there too. So from the Bronx.

• 1:48Speaker 02

  Well, not when I was growing up, but yeah, yeah.

• 1:50Theo Von?

  Well, he said that there was a time in the seventies when they used to bring swimming pools over there. Like a pool, like semi trucks into his neighborhood.

• 2:00Speaker 02

  I don't remember that, but I do know that occasionally if you had a charitable fire department, they would open the, the, the fire hydrants. And, and you can, they're these sort of, uh, uh, covers with holes in it. And it would put spray onto the street so that you could play in the street.

• 2:19Theo Von?

  So they'd crack open the fire.

• 2:20Speaker 02

  Crack that open, but I'm looking at your images now. No, I, I, I don't remember those. Oh my gosh. And I was in town at that time. Is this in the Bronx?

• 2:29Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:30Speaker 02

  That's cool.

• 2:31Theo Von?

  Yeah, this is the Bronx, it says, this is 1970s. So that's.

• 2:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm around, I'm, I'm old, I'm an old fart, so.

• 2:37Theo Von?

  But you were barely alive.

• 2:40Theo Von?

  You were barely alive. But yeah, I was just, I didn't know if maybe you'd remember that from growing up, you know?

• 2:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, hot times in the city, you know, the, the, you know, the street gets hot and it's just hot in the summer. And no one's in school. And so I think it keeps, keeps emotions tamped down so that there's no unrest.

• 2:59Theo Von?

  Yeah, last thing we want, huh? That's so true. Um, you have a new book, uh, Lost in Space. 5,000 facts for navigating the universe.

• 3:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, it's, it's co-produced with, uh, with, between my podcast, StarTalk Podcast, and National Geographic Books. It's like our fourth collaboration. It's gorgeous and it's, and it's, it's 5,000 facts in all categories. And it's, but they're not just facts, cause you can just Google facts.

• 3:30Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 3:30Speaker 02

  They're, they're start talkified.

• 3:33Theo Von?

  Oh, I see.

• 3:33Speaker 02

  Start talkified fact. So I'll give you an example.

• 3:36Theo Von?

  All right.

• 3:36Speaker 02

  Okay. Instead, ask me, how big is the sun?

• 3:41Theo Von?

  How big is the sun?

• 3:41Speaker 02

  I could say it's 864,000 miles, but you can Google that. Or I can say, take 100 Earths and line them up. That's the width of the sun.

• 3:53Theo Von?

  Wow, really?

• 3:54Speaker 02

  Or if you're hungry, I can say if the sun were a sesame seed bagel.

• 4:03Theo Von?

  Mm-hmm.

• 4:04Speaker 02

  Earth would be the size of one of the sesame seeds.

• 4:07Theo Von?

  That big guy.

• 4:08Speaker 02

  So I'm just saying, the, the facts are just a little more pop culture infused.

• 4:13Theo Von?

  I see.

• 4:13Speaker 02

  And.

• 4:14Theo Von?

  A little more pizzazz.

• 4:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, just, just so that you will never forget it.

• 4:18Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 4:19Speaker 02

  Okay, you're not gonna forget the sun and the earth right now. I know they have bagels in Nashville.

• 4:23Theo Von?

  Yeah, well, also my brother is deathly allergic to sesame seeds.

• 4:28Speaker 02

  Well, then there you go.

• 4:29Theo Von?

  So I'm not gonna forget that at all.

• 4:31Speaker 02

  You're not gonna forget that.

• 4:32Theo Von?

  Dude, I actually, I read in your book that, um, yeah, I was perusing through it, man. It's a, it's like, yeah, it's just an engaging book.

• 4:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, you just, you just pick it up and open it and there it is.

• 4:41Theo Von?

  Open it to wherever you're in, you're in it. You're in like, you're out in the universe.

• 4:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:45Theo Von?

  I mean, literally. And, uh, one thing that I read in it was, uh, that the human brain has 100 times more synaptic connections than there are stars in the Milky Way. And that, I mean, and that blew my mind.

• 4:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, it's impressive.

• 5:01Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 5:01Speaker 02

  That.

• 5:01Theo Von?

  So is our brain more complex than like a galaxy?

• 5:06Speaker 02

  I would say so. Why do, why can't I say so? I'm gonna say so. All the stars are interacting with each other with the force of gravity. But in your brain, there's like chemical reactions, there's electrical reactions. They're being influenced by other reactions that happened before. These are your memories. There's, there's, sometimes you get like an earworm or a song gets in your head. You can't get it out. It's firing all by itself.

• 5:32Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 5:32Speaker 02

  Or you have these emotions that make you tear up or bring joy. Yeah, the universe inside your head is surely more complex than the universe itself. Which brings the question, how is it possible that the universe can make something more complex than itself?

• 5:53Theo Von?

  Wow. Is that possible?

• 5:57Speaker 02

  It has happened. So unless you want to say God did it, but then that's kind of, that's a little bit of a cop out. Cause then I'd say, well, who made God? Then you have to say, well, God always was, or God, you have to, I could ask you questions and put you in a place where you're stuck saying something that you just have to assert to be true. And so.

• 6:17Theo Von?

  But there had to be a beginning.

• 6:19Speaker 02

  Well, we have a big bang, but that pushes the question earlier.

• 6:22Theo Von?

  But who lit the mess?

• 6:23Speaker 02

  Exactly, who it was before the big bang. And only in the last couple of decades, did we look at our equations that give us the big bang. And there's data that's supported as well. But you look all the way back and say, wait a minute, these equations are popping out other universes. So maybe there's not just a universe, maybe there's a multiverse. If there's a multiverse, then our universe is just one of some uncountable number of other universes. So then you have to ask, what was around before the multiverse? And here's another one that's a little bit mind blowing. You go far enough back, there's Earth and then the universe. Well then, no, Earth is just one of eight planets around the sun.

• 7:08Speaker 02

  Well, the sun, there's something special. No, those dots of light in the night sky are just like the sun. Like damn. The Milky Way Galaxy, there it is. Then Hubble discovers in 1925, 26, there are other galaxies in the universe, just like the Milky Way. So everything we thought there was one of, there isn't. There's countless others among them. But we got one universe. Hmm, maybe not. Maybe there's a multiverse.

• 7:44Speaker 02

  Well, if the universe never makes anything in ones, could there be only one multiverse?

• 7:52Speaker 02

  Okay. Is there, is there a, a network of multiverse? Is that a metaverse? You know, we're running out of adjectives there.

• 8:00Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 8:00Speaker 02

  But, uh, it's, it's, it's, to think about it is very, is humbling. And not enough people are humbled in their life. Some people need, need a dose of humbling, as far as I can tell.

• 8:12Theo Von?

  I think you have to think to be humbled and, and a lot of us aren't doing that.

• 8:17Speaker 02

  You think, you think?

• 8:19Theo Von?

  And half the time, myself included.

• 8:22Speaker 02

  Or they act before they think and then they regret it or they, or they try to justify it after the fact.

• 8:27Theo Von?

  Oh yeah, look.

• 8:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:28Theo Von?

  I mean, you've been reading my diary, but, um, what makes us able to think?

• 8:36Speaker 02

  Well, if you talk to evolutionary biologist, they will.

• 8:39Theo Von?

  Which I haven't, and I'll let you know that straight up.

• 8:41Speaker 02

  I have, so.

• 8:42Theo Von?

  Yeah, I've been talking to my buddy Rick.

• 8:44Speaker 02

  Right. And he's neither evolutionary nor biologist, right?

• 8:49Theo Von?

  Well, honestly, he'd been doing Duster.

• 8:52Speaker 02

  Oh, what?

• 8:52Theo Von?

  Yeah, he'll be fine, but back to where we are. But yeah, I'm just saying.

• 8:56Speaker 02

  I, I value objective reality.

• 8:59Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 8:59Speaker 02

  And, and the brain barely works as it is.

• 9:04Theo Von?

  Right.

• 9:04Speaker 02

  So to start stirring in chemicals and say, let me do more, do something else with my brain. I don't want to be that far removed from what is objectively true in this world.

• 9:13Theo Von?

  Oh yeah, he's been, he's been hitting that keyboard cleaner, you know? The dude's got a space bar in his head now, dude.

• 9:20Speaker 02

  Right, so the question, what was the question? It was, oh, oh, so evolutionary biologist would say, our thoughts, when they evolved, were just sufficient to not die and stay alive long enough to make babies.

• 9:35Theo Von?

  Like, what do you mean by that? So the first thoughts were just like, okay, I need to stay alive.

• 9:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, oh.

• 9:40Theo Von?

  And I need, and I need to procreate.

• 9:41Speaker 02

  If I do not run away from this lion.

• 9:46Speaker 02

  I will die. Well, okay, let's say you have three kids. One of them said, oh, I wonder what that is wrestling in the brush. Let me go find out. It's a lion, they get eaten.

• 9:58Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 9:58Speaker 02

  That curiosity is removed from the gene pool. Okay.

• 10:02Theo Von?

  Oh, that's a good point.

• 10:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, and the people say, I don't know what that is, but I'm a little bit afraid. Let me go the opposite direction. They live another day, they have babies. So curiosity is not always a good thing for your survival. If you're curious about things that could kill you. So that's first fact. And plus, you wanna make more of yourself. So sex matters.

• 10:24Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 10:25Speaker 02

  All right, so these are simple thoughts. And you know that thing where someone throws up and you smell their throw up and you wanna throw up too?

• 10:32Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah, what game is that called? It's one of those challenges, I think, on TikTok, isn't it?

• 10:35Speaker 02

  Oh, is it really? Oh, okay.

• 10:36Theo Von?

  I thought it was.

• 10:37Speaker 02

  Why wouldn't it be? It's a TikTok, right?

• 10:38Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 10:38Speaker 02

  But there, there's an evolutionary reason for that. We're a tribe. We're here, you ate something before the rest of us did and you just threw up. I'm, I don't, I'm, I don't wanna eat what you just ate. What's my body's best way to tell me that? I wanna throw up just the way you did. So that triggers, that's a chain reaction in your tribe back in the cave. So we all throw up and we're all better because it happened to you. Okay? And so it's why we react in these ways. So the evolutionary biologists would say, we have thoughts that are for this reason. Okay, I'll give one more and I'll bring it into the present.

• 11:16Theo Von?

  But some of the first thoughts were for, to keep us surviving.

• 11:20Speaker 02

  Yes, yes.

• 11:21Theo Von?

  Okay, got it.

• 11:21Speaker 02

  Okay, so now, now watch how that unfolds.

• 11:23Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 11:24Speaker 02

  Okay. Okay, and we, we care about our tribe. Okay, we all kinda look the same. We smell the same because we're like eating the same things. We're wearing the same clothing. We're hanging out in the same place.

• 11:38Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 11:38Speaker 02

  On Earth.

• 11:38Theo Von?

  We're buddies.

• 11:39Speaker 02

  We're buddies, right, it's all of that, okay. Here's another one. You go off and you come back with the, you know, the food for tonight.

• 11:49Theo Von?

  The deer.

• 11:49Speaker 02

  The deer, whatever that is.

• 11:51Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 11:51Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 11:52Theo Von?

  Sack of doves.

• 11:53Speaker 02

  And I don't come back with anything, but you come back with the elk, okay? Well, you had some abilities that I didn't. The women wanna have babies with you. Let me say that more precisely.

• 12:11Theo Von?

  We'll say it again.

• 12:14Speaker 02

  Let me say that more precisely. Those who it didn't matter who they have babies with. If I really have some inability to bring home the bacon and we start having babies. My offspring doesn't have that ability either. We simply die off. We starve. Whereas your branch of the tribe thrives. If it's not enough food for everyone, your branch will thrive. So there's evolutionary selection to, to favor women who seek out, we, we can call it the alpha male, but it's the male who brought back the food.

• 12:56Theo Von?

  But in the end, you're saying that some, whoever could think and recognize that.

• 13:00Speaker 02

  So that's why. You wouldn't even have to think. Suppose, I, I don't care who I'm gonna wanna have babies with. And then we all have babies and none of us can feed ourselves. We simply die.

• 13:08Theo Von?

  Right.

• 13:09Speaker 02

  You die and your gene pool does not propagate. So this behavior that is, survives thi- this, this, this very, very, um, you can think of it as an unfair, but it's, it's favoring the fittest.

• 13:26Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 13:27Speaker 02

  Okay, that's what it does.

• 13:29Theo Von?

  Right.

• 13:29Speaker 02

  Evolution is about not only your survival, about the death of everything else that did not fulfill that moment uh, for its survival. Here's my point. All of these things that mattered to our survival back then, in modern days, you just go to the grocery store to bring home food.

• 13:48Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 13:49Speaker 02

  Then nobody's bringing home the elk on their back, the deer, and so.

• 13:52Theo Von?

  But if a girl sees you with a bag of Takis, she'll pull up.

• 13:55Speaker 02

  So what I'm saying is.

• 13:57Theo Von?

  I mean, y'all not saying.

• 13:59Speaker 02

  What I'm saying is, these elements in our behavior have been hijacked in modern civilization. Okay, so you care not that the person brought home the deer, but they're bigger than life. They're bigger than the other. So what today is bigger than life? Somebody, a movie star, someone famous. Famous people have hijacked that element of our tribal behavior.

• 14:31Theo Von?

  I see what you're saying. So it used to be the person who was able to provide and like the way with like actual, with a, a skill.

• 14:37Speaker 02

  A skill and a thing, they're bigger than life.

• 14:39Theo Von?

  And survive.

• 14:40Speaker 02

  Today, you don't even need that, but the urge is still there.

• 14:43Theo Von?

  Right.

• 14:43Speaker 02

  And famous people are doing that, which, which why famous people, you know, that, it's.

• 14:50Theo Von?

  Yeah, they get Celsius deals. I mean.

• 14:54Speaker 02

  I see what you did there.

• 14:56Theo Von?

  But no.

• 14:56Speaker 02

  Celsius is my word, I just want you to know. It is a temperature scale, okay? Whatever else it is on your show, I'm a scientist, is a temperature scale.

• 15:06Theo Von?

  So, but, but you're saying so that like some of the things that were like inaugural in our.

• 15:12Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 15:12Theo Von?

  And like.

• 15:13Speaker 02

  Good word.

• 15:13Theo Von?

  Our most primal sort of abilities that helped us to survive and advance.

• 15:18Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 15:19Theo Von?

  Some of those, um, and that also were mechanisms to help us to procreate.

• 15:25Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 15:25Theo Von?

  And move forward.

• 15:26Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 15:26Theo Von?

  That those have been hijacked by these, um, by these like superficial practices.

• 15:33Speaker 02

  The urge is still there, even though society has made it irrelevant. It's biologically there. So, so, so when I talk about these tribes back then and you have a little watering hole? Wait a minute, somebody's coming over the horizon, who's that? Well, they smell different, they look different. What, they want my watering hole? Not, that's not gonna happen. And so we're gonna fight. Okay, that's a survival thing. Today, water comes out of the fricking faucet.

• 16:00Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 16:01Speaker 02

  But we still have tribal urges. And the tribal urge is out of control. It's like, even when people look alike, they'll still tribalize. Well, you pray to this god instead of this god. You look, by the way, the two of you look identical, okay? Just look at, remember Ireland? We had, we had Catholic Irish and Protestant Irish. They pray to the same god, out of the same Bible, but there's two branches and they're fighting each other. The, the Shiites and the, and the, and the Sunnis, they're both Muslim, fighting each other. So, so it is so deeply within us that even if we were the same, we would find ways to tribalize against it.

• 16:44Speaker 02

  We have long hair instead of short hair, you have red hair instead of blonde hair, you can tall instead of short. And if you are all of that, but you found something else to tribalize behind? Like where you're born, your skin color, again, or who you worship? What, what, what's your sexual preference? That becomes a thing and then people fight over that. So I'm surprised we have survived this long.

• 17:08Theo Von?

  Oh, you think we're hitting, about to hit a cul-de-sac?

• 17:10Speaker 02

  I'm sad, I'm just sad.

• 17:12Theo Von?

  Oh, you really?

• 17:13Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Yeah, people, it's like they're only happy when they have someone else they can be angry with. How, how's that so?

• 17:22Theo Von?

  But do you think it's serving us as humans?

• 17:25Speaker 02

  No, no, no. Of course, there are more humans now than ever before. So clearly, it hasn't hurt us that badly. But, um, as our weapons, the power of our weapons grow and we still have tribal feelings, it's gonna, I don't think it'll end well.

• 17:43Theo Von?

  The toughest part, I think, is that, um, the people, the populace are at a different space than the governments now. But it feels like we're at a place now where, um, it's not even the people that want a lot of that. But it's like you, we're just sitting here almost like heading wherever the government's gonna take us.

• 18:02Speaker 02

  Which is unfortunate because it's supposed to be a government by the people of the people for the people.

• 18:05Theo Von?

  I agree.

• 18:06Speaker 02

  And if it's not that, then I don't know what we mean when we say 250th anniversary of our democracy. You know, and it's, um, people say freedom, 250, it actually was not 250 years of freedom. Because women didn't vote until like 1920 or something. So they were not partic- half the population was not participating in the leadership. So what it is for 250 years, it's not a democracy and not a, it was only a recently a democracy. But what it has been is kingless for 250 years. And I like that.

• 18:40Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 18:40Speaker 02

  I don't want anyone who by birthright claims they have power over me just because whose vagina they came out of.

• 18:47Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 18:48Speaker 02

  I don't, I, I, I'm sorry, you gotta earn this. You gotta show me that you're someone worth following.

• 18:54Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 18:54Speaker 02

  That you've earned my respect and my loyalty and my devotion. And if you haven't done that, go home. So I, I'm proudly say as an American, 250 years without a king.

• 19:07Theo Von?

  Yeah, I don't know how we'll get out of this kind of space that we're in. I don't wanna get into like a woe is us kinda space, but it does feel like kind of a scary, it feels like a scary space.

• 19:17Speaker 02

  Right now, because everyone's fighting all the time.

• 19:19Theo Von?

  But do you think they're fighting because they want to be? Or do you think a lot of it is that they're being programmed to fight?

• 19:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're only happy if they're fighting, right? And plus, social media is an outrage engine. You go anywhere and say, hey, what are they doing? I hate that. And it's just, it feeds it. And then you come back for more and advertisers love it.

• 19:39Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 19:39Speaker 02

  They love it. So it's, it's feeding your tribal urges.

• 19:45Theo Von?

  We're a little trapped.

• 19:46Speaker 02

  And, and, and think about advertisers, what do they put in an ad? Okay, they put in someone you wanna have sex with. And then you'll do whatever they say because you wanna procreate and make more babies.

• 19:57Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 19:58Speaker 02

  Okay, and you're doing it because it feels good, but evolutionarily, it kinda had to feel good to make more of you. I mean, otherwise we'd go extinct pretty quickly.

• 20:09Theo Von?

  What are you saying?

• 20:12Speaker 02

  What?

• 20:13Theo Von?

  What are you talking about?

• 20:14Speaker 02

  What?

• 20:14Theo Von?

  What are you saying right now?

• 20:15Speaker 02

  What am I saying right now?

• 20:16Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 20:16Speaker 02

  I'm saying that we're being manipulated.

• 20:19Theo Von?

  Oh, yes.

• 20:20Speaker 02

  By advertisers. And they know these primal evolutionary urges. And they exploit them.

• 20:26Theo Von?

  Yes. They've got the spear to a sharp tip, Neil. You know, and that is spooky because it's this new sort of survival in a way. Where it's like, it used to be the lion in the woods that you were, and now it's sort of this like, it's this algorithm, it's this black hole for your attention. And once your attention is gone and it's not on you and your well being.

• 20:52Speaker 02

  Someone else is manipulating it?

• 20:53Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 20:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:54Theo Von?

  It's dark.

• 20:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, so I worry, so, so if aliens arrived. I would ask, I wrote a book about aliens too, a few months ago.

• 21:02Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 21:03Speaker 02

  Like if your first encounter with an alien, it sets you up for that.

• 21:06Theo Von?

  Okay. What is it like a how to do like?

• 21:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a complete.

• 21:10Theo Von?

  Like a first date type of?

• 21:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So for example, if an alien.

• 21:14Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 21:15Speaker 02

  You know, lands and walks up to you and there happens to be some appendage sticking out. Don't grab it and shake it.

• 21:20Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 21:21Speaker 02

  Cause you don't know what part of the alien that is.

• 21:24Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 21:24Speaker 02

  And you probably don't want to find out, I'm guessing.

• 21:27Theo Von?

  That's a space branch.

• 21:28Speaker 02

  Um, if an alien came down and they had technology that got them here. My, one of my first questions would be, how did you survive yourselves?

• 21:36Theo Von?

  Hmm, like what do you mean yourselves?

• 21:38Speaker 02

  Yourselves, how?

• 21:40Theo Von?

  Oh.

• 21:40Speaker 02

  Will their own technology?

• 21:43Theo Von?

  Right, cause we may not.

• 21:44Speaker 02

  We may not, we may not survive our own technology. And maybe they're all just peace, love and aliens. Peace, love and you know, make love not war.

• 21:52Theo Von?

  Well, I mean.

• 21:52Speaker 02

  You know, the evil alien trope is so common. Evil aliens is just want to.

• 21:57Theo Von?

  Well, that's because I think that that's been how they've been. I don't want to say aliens have been pigeonholed, but I do feel like they have been.

• 22:05Speaker 02

  Yes, they have, but what do you think we get that? I think we get it because they have a more advanced technology, obviously. Cause they got here and we haven't visited them. And anytime humans with more advanced technology have encountered other humans with less technology, it has never boded well.

• 22:21Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 22:22Speaker 02

  For the, they've been enslaved, killed, tortured.

• 22:28Theo Von?

  Molested.

• 22:30Speaker 02

  And so I think the evil alien concept is our own fears placed upon them in our storytelling. It's a mirror to how we know we would behave in that situation. And that's unfair to the aliens.

• 22:49Theo Von?

  Hmm.

• 22:49Speaker 02

  Cause they could just be peace, love and aliens for all we know.

• 22:53Theo Von?

  Yes, I'll tell you what I think the aliens are. I think we end up in this space where um, you, you don't use your body as much anymore, right? You're, uh, you're, you're on screens, you're digital, things get technological. Maybe they put a chip in your whatever. And your body after like, like eons of non-use and thousands of years of non-use just starts to like turn into this sort of this shape. And your eyes, which are the things that like, you still are pulling information in from. And maybe they put a contact lens in that then expands over time. And then I believe that we just become the aliens. So all we're seeing, the aliens are just us in the, like coming to visit.

• 23:35Speaker 02

  Interesting because.

• 23:36Theo Von?

  Like an older us, you know?

• 23:37Speaker 02

  The aliens are hardly ever jacked when they come down the, they're usually thin.

• 23:42Theo Von?

  Yeah, well, they quit lifting weights centuries ago. And here's the crazy part, I think aliens that come here, like if you see an alien like ship in like in uh, on earth.

• 23:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:53Theo Von?

  I think it's almost like, like an alien family somewhere else. Like the, like the parents took them on like a shitty trip for like summer or whatever. And it's like, they could go to anywhere else in the galaxy and they're like, fucking mom, we gotta go to earth, you know? And so that's why we don't even see a lot of them. Cause it is like some jacked up alien tourist destination.

• 24:11Speaker 02

  So this is a low attraction point in, in, in the book. Right, okay.

• 24:16Theo Von?

  Unfortunately, I think that that's a possibility.

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• 29:13Speaker 02

  You know what else? Uh, Elon Musk this month might be passing 12,000 satellites in orbit around the earth.

• 29:21Theo Von?

  Oh, and you know where they're launching them out of, don't you?

• 29:23Speaker 02

  Well, they, they, they're gonna Florida and Vandenberg, California.

• 29:27Theo Von?

  Well, Louisiana.

• 29:28Speaker 02

  Is Louisiana making a bid to launch?

• 29:30Theo Von?

  Yeah, pull that up. We just got it. We, I think we just got a big deal down there, down in Pecan Island, baby.

• 29:34Speaker 02

  Uh, is that very, that must be very far south.

• 29:37Theo Von?

  Yeah, man, it's like, yeah, bro, they're gonna have dudes down there like, man, they got, man, you never gonna believe this, yeah. They'd have launched a ship out there, baby.

• 29:48Speaker 02

  Island.

• 29:49Theo Von?

  10 rocket launch pads will be built in Vermillion Parish. Monday, those who hunt and fish in the area shared complicated feelings.

• 29:58Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 29:59Theo Von?

  Construction on what is slated to be the world's largest rocket launch site is expected to begin in rural Vermillion Parish next year. Those who live, visit and play nearby have mixed feelings about the development. Um, Pecan Island is the closest residential area to the proposed site of Starbase, Louisiana. It is made up of, sorry. It's such a crazy dichotomy. It's such a.

• 30:23Speaker 02

  Well, Texas was in the running for this and.

• 30:26Theo Von?

  But we got that big, uh.

• 30:27Speaker 02

  So apparently you, it landed there. So what's important is that east of the island, I, I don't know the map, but it's important that there's water east of the launch pad.

• 30:40Theo Von?

  Really? Why is that?

• 30:40Speaker 02

  Cause as it launches, it wants to orbit the earth. Typically it goes east. If something bad happens and it blows up, it then falls in the water. Not on residential property.

• 30:49Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah, bro. They got a lot of like boats. They got people sleeping on each other's backs down there, baby.

• 30:56Speaker 02

  Well, then they got something to look at at night. But launches, there's nothing like a rocket launch. Let me just tell you. They never get old.

• 31:01Theo Von?

  They had to have Boosie written on them bitches. It's gonna be.

• 31:04Speaker 02

  Let's see, uh.

• 31:06Theo Von?

  Pecan Island is made up of mostly hunting and fishing camps with about 100 permanent residents. Uh, SpaceX plans to use the site to support thousands of Starship flights a year. There will be five launch facilities within, with two launch pads each. How many shuttles will go up a day? Does it say?

• 31:24Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, so right now, I mean, Starship carries people. Um, he's got his Falcon launch, you know, hundreds a year. So every few days, there's a launch.

• 31:34Theo Von?

  And it's gonna be people on it?

• 31:35Speaker 02

  Uh, Starship is designed for people, but, um, so it could, that could be where he launches. People to go to the moon. Who knows what the future that's gonna look like.

• 31:45Theo Von?

  Bro.

• 31:46Speaker 02

  So here's what happened in Huntsville, Alabama. When the government says, we gotta compete with the Ruskies because they're gonna, they, they got German rocket engineers. We got Werner von Braun. Let's build a rocket dude. They put him in Huntsville, Alabama.

• 32:00Theo Von?

  Rocket City?

• 32:01Speaker 02

  That's, well, not yet. It's some backwards place in the south. And he says, I need engineers. I need mathematicians. And so people moved there and they didn't want to send their kids to the local schools. They built new schools. Industries followed it and that section of Alabama is like it landed from space. It's a, it's a high tech corridor in Alabama, unlike other areas of Alabama. So that would completely change the economy of Southern Louisiana.

• 32:31Theo Von?

  Oh, it's gonna be wild down there, man. They'll have definitely unique style rockets. You probably have a pecan crusted rocket. You know, a little bit, a little bit of crawfish almond rocket. They're gonna have it all down there.

• 32:44Speaker 02

  Crawfish in a long time.

• 32:45Theo Von?

  It's gonna be beautiful. But I'll say this, if they just let strangers jump on them rockets, bro, you gonna have.

• 32:50Speaker 02

  There won't be strangers after they pay $10 million. I mean, if it's tourists, it's still really expensive.

• 32:56Theo Von?

  But they're gonna have like a, you know, something for lower income. They're probably have like a.

• 33:01Speaker 02

  No, no, see, that's how you do a lower income.

• 33:02Theo Von?

  They're gonna have an EBT seat on that bitch. You know that.

• 33:05Speaker 02

  Here's what you do when, for lower income. You just have a lottery. And everyone pays 10 bucks for a ticket. You sell enough tickets. Somebody wins that lottery and they go up. And they don't have to be rich for that.

• 33:17Theo Von?

  Oh shit, Robo Show gonna be on that rocket, huh? Sherman gonna be on that rocket?

• 33:24Speaker 02

  Bro, that'll work.

• 33:25Theo Von?

  That's gonna be amazing, dude. Um.

• 33:27Speaker 02

  By the way, I, I don't mind going to rocket, but it depends on where, where it's headed.

• 33:31Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 33:31Speaker 02

  I don't wanna boldly go where hundreds have gone before. Send me somewhere, moon, Mars, beyond, I'm signed up.

• 33:38Theo Von?

  Have you ever been offered to go to space?

• 33:40Speaker 02

  Uh, I was, no, actually no, but, and space, what people say space is, you know, you got the Bezos, Branson, billionaire boys, space race. But they just go up and, and fall back to earth. The whole trip is, is within 30 minutes. They don't go into orbit, but they go above this magical place called the Karman line. Where if you go above that level of the atmosphere, then daytime sky turns dark. Cause there's not enough air to turn blue. And so they call that the Karman line. So if you go above that, you're classified as an astronaut. And I'm just saying, I'm an astrophysicist. If you're gonna send me into space, send me somewhere. And if, I don't know if you knew that, take earth and shrink it down to a schoolroom globe. You can ask, how high up did they go?

• 34:25Theo Von?

  Down to the schoolroom globe?

• 34:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. So here's earth, the schoolroom globe. How high up is the space station?

• 34:30Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 34:31Speaker 02

  Space station is less than a half an inch above the surface.

• 34:36Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 34:36Speaker 02

  And then the Bezos Branson trip, they're the thickness of two dimes above earth's surface. You remember that crazy dude that jumped out of a balloon for Red Bull, uh, Felix Bumgartner?

• 34:49Theo Von?

  Yes.

• 34:49Speaker 02

  Okay, a few years back. His balloon, he died recently, by the way, doing one of these stunts. Damn stuff.

• 34:55Theo Von?

  R I P.

• 34:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, he jumped the thickness of one dime above the earth. So none of this is really going anywhere for me, an astrophysicist. Send me somewhere, moon, Mars and beyond, and I'm good. And if Elon says, ride one of my rockets, I'll say, Elon, I want you to fly your mother first. And bring her back safely.

• 35:17Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 35:17Speaker 02

  Then I'll go.

• 35:18Theo Von?

  That's fair.

• 35:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's fair. That's totally fair.

• 35:20Theo Von?

  I think that's very fair. You got a mom tested.

• 35:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:23Theo Von?

  Um, but surely someone's reached out and offered you said, uh.

• 35:26Speaker 02

  Oh, so I, I was once given a opportunity to ride in the vomit comet. You know, there's a plane that goes up and falls back down and you're waitlist for a little bit of time. Pepsi was gonna offer me a spot, but I had to wear a Pepsi jumpsuit. And because they were advertising zero calorie Pepsi. And this was a zero gravity ride. And I could be photographed and end up in an ad. And I say, it ain't worth that much to me. I ain't giving mine. So, so no, so I haven't.

• 35:55Theo Von?

  But have Katy Perry and those people, have they actually been in space or they've just been above the Karman line?

• 36:00Speaker 02

  Well, that's.

• 36:00Theo Von?

  And so technically they have.

• 36:01Speaker 02

  Technically they've been in space. Katy's been in space. And I thought they got a bad rap on that. People cachet on that launch. And well, Katie, she's got a new album out and they all wanna make sure they're pretty with their makeup and everything. And I'm thinking chill, first of all, when planes were invented, the first people to go were famous and rich people.

• 36:21Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 36:22Speaker 02

  And the press wrote about it. And I'm so, this is kinda interesting. Let's keep doing this. And the industry grew till it became its own thing. And so the aviation industry was birthed in exactly the same way.

• 36:36Theo Von?

  I see. So you gotta use celebrities to advertise it. But, but I think here's the thing, like you're saying, it didn't make sense in anybody's mind. Like I can't even get from, uh, here to, uh, Hoboken.

• 36:49Speaker 02

  Right.

• 36:49Theo Von?

  In a half hour, dude.

• 36:51Speaker 02

  It'd be hard.

• 36:51Theo Von?

  Right? I'm not gonna think they can get to space and come right back. And then it kinda looked bizarre. And then they like over there, like the door was kinda open. There was a lot of stuff that didn't, they didn't help their own cause.

• 37:02Speaker 02

  Oh, okay. Well, I'm just saying, celebrities in space, I, that's where I drew the line and that there they are.

• 37:07Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 37:08Speaker 02

  And the fact that we're talking about it now is evidence.

• 37:10Theo Von?

  Good point.

• 37:11Speaker 02

  Even if you're, you know.

• 37:13Theo Von?

  Yeah, if it's just an advertising thing, then yes.

• 37:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:15Theo Von?

  Right.

• 37:16Speaker 02

  Even if you're gonna be a dick about it, you're still talking about it.

• 37:18Theo Von?

  But that's brave of those people to just be like, I'm gonna trust this thing is gonna make it into space and come back.

• 37:24Speaker 02

  And then come back and land safely. Yeah, yeah. Like I said, if I'm gonna put my life at risk in that way, I wanna go farther. Give me something, a place to go.

• 37:32Theo Von?

  Who would you take into space with you? You gotta bring.

• 37:34Speaker 02

  I bring family. If they agree, I don't know if they'd agree.

• 37:38Theo Von?

  You bring family for two days.

• 37:40Speaker 02

  Oh, oh, okay. I see what you're pointing. Okay.

• 37:44Theo Von?

  Ain't nobody bringing family to space, bro. Hey, bro, you don't bring sand to the solar system, cuz you feel me?

• 37:51Speaker 02

  Okay, I get it. Okay. But you, you wanna bring like, you know, your, who, your boys you hang out with, you know?

• 37:58Theo Von?

  Yeah, just, yeah, who would you bring? Like if you had to bring kind of like a little gang up to space, who do you go?

• 38:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't, I hadn't thought about that.

• 38:04Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 38:04Speaker 02

  I hadn't thought of, cause that would mean I'd be focusing on them when I'm really focusing on the universe.

• 38:08Theo Von?

  Hmm, that's fair.

• 38:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's all I'm saying.

• 38:11Theo Von?

  So maybe bring, yeah, I'm trying to think. Yeah, it's actually a good question, cause he might, it might take your energy.

• 38:15Speaker 02

  You know what I'd wanna bring?

• 38:18Speaker 02

  A poet and a comedian.

• 38:21Speaker 02

  I bring you. Cause, cause you, you'd look around and you'd say some funny shit. There's a, there's, there's some funny stuff to be experienced.

• 38:32Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah. Saturn looking thing. Yeah, yeah, dude.

• 38:37Speaker 02

  No, I highly value the lens through which comedians observe the world. Especially if it's a world you have not seen before. So you know what happens? Everything up there comes through your lens. And you're gonna think about it in the context of all of your life and all the crazy people you grew up with and all the stories you tell. That's gonna happen through this lens and that'll keep me entertained the whole way.

• 39:02Theo Von?

  Oh, thanks, bro. Yeah, that'd be cool to be up there. And then I will bring, um, Duncan Trussell. Do you know him?

• 39:08Speaker 02

  No.

• 39:09Theo Von?

  He's an amazing comedian. Um, so I would bring him and he has a great mind that loves to think about like unique stuff.

• 39:17Speaker 02

  Okay, weird stuff. Yeah, you need.

• 39:19Theo Von?

  And then.

• 39:19Speaker 02

  You need some, a mind like that, that thinks, thinks outside of any other parameters.

• 39:24Theo Von?

  He is a poet of sorts as well. And then low key, I bring a couple.

• 39:32Theo Von?

  Little space candy, you feel me, bro?

• 39:36Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 39:37Theo Von?

  And you know, that's between us, but.

• 39:40Speaker 02

  Well, it's something you need to know.

• 39:42Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 39:42Speaker 02

  I'm duty bound to alert you of this.

• 39:47Theo Von?

  I bring a couple ladies, that's what I'm saying.

• 39:48Speaker 02

  I get that.

• 39:49Theo Von?

  Okay. I didn't say what you think of as drugs.

• 39:51Speaker 02

  I totally understood.

• 39:52Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 39:52Speaker 02

  And which leads me to say.

• 39:54Theo Von?

  I bring a little bit of drugs.

• 39:55Speaker 02

  That

• 39:58Speaker 02

  in space, you might not need them. Cause you was high as fuck in space.

• 40:03Theo Von?

  You're lying.

• 40:04Speaker 02

  No, no, I'm just saying you are in space.

• 40:06Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 40:06Speaker 02

  Usually you do on earth, you say, I want to escape my moment here and float somewhere else. You are literally floating in space. And you're gonna say, I need drugs to now transcend that? That's a waste of drugs. Leave the drugs for people still on earth, A. B, if you bring in some arm candy.

• 40:24Theo Von?

  Mm hmm.

• 40:24Speaker 02

  I just, I'm duty bound as a physicist to tell you that sex in space is very different to execute.

• 40:34Theo Von?

  I'm into some shit.

• 40:35Speaker 02

  I'm just, I'm just saying, most things you do in on earth.

• 40:40Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 40:41Speaker 02

  While having sex.

• 40:42Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 40:42Speaker 02

  Would you would careen and bounce off the back walls of the spaceship? If you're in zero G.

• 40:49Theo Von?

  Would even like, what about even oral sex? Is that possible in space?

• 40:52Speaker 02

  Um, yeah.

• 40:54Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 40:55Speaker 02

  But what I'm saying, but you're floating and so you know, on earth, you're in the same place at the same time. In space, you have to be strapped down is my point.

• 41:04Theo Von?

  So you have to bring kind of straps with you?

• 41:06Speaker 02

  You have to.

• 41:08Speaker 02

  The way you said that.

• 41:09Theo Von?

  Or you have to bring something.

• 41:12Speaker 02

  Oh, I have to bring straps? Yeah, I would have done that anyway.

• 41:15Theo Von?

  You gotta, I mean, I'm just saying like.

• 41:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, you have to strap because you're on earth, you're assuming the person is there every time you're in body contact.

• 41:25Theo Von?

  Oh, I see.

• 41:25Speaker 02

  But in space, in zero G, body contact sends someone careening off the wall.

• 41:30Theo Von?

  So you, you see, say if you were engaging in some type of sexual activity and you, and one person was to kind of like pressure their body or thrust their body against someone else's body.

• 41:40Speaker 02

  They're gonna bounce off and hit the wall.

• 41:42Theo Von?

  Right.

• 41:42Speaker 02

  It's just, you have to rethink all the moves and all the motion and all the positions. That's all I'm saying. If you're gonna, if you're gonna bring the candy, there it is.

• 41:53Theo Von?

  I'm bringing you a peace cup.

• 41:59Theo Von?

  But it's good, dog. Ah, dude, yeah, thanks for thinking about this with me, man.

• 42:05Speaker 02

  It's just physics at that level.

• 42:07Theo Von?

  Yeah, but also it takes you, you know, it makes you, I'll just tell you this immediately right now. We just had a lot of people who aren't gonna wanna be astronauts.

• 42:18Speaker 02

  Also, if you get like stuck, if you're sick to the stomach.

• 42:21Theo Von?

  Mm hmm.

• 42:22Speaker 02

  You know, okay, you ever either been in a roller coaster or driving on a country road and there's like a a short hill and you come down off it, you feel.

• 42:30Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 42:31Speaker 02

  You feel a little thing in there.

• 42:32Theo Von?

  Mm hmm.

• 42:32Speaker 02

  Well, that's because you're sort of weightless going over the hill. Cause you go up and then it falls right back down and your organs are not accustomed to that.

• 42:41Theo Von?

  So that happens a lot there?

• 42:42Speaker 02

  In space, it's the entire feeling.

• 42:45Theo Von?

  Nah uh.

• 42:45Speaker 02

  Yes, and you have to just get used to that. And until you get used to that, you are throwing up. And so the last thing you wanna do is vomit in zero G. It's bad enough when you see the splatter pattern on the outside of bars.

• 42:58Theo Von?

  Mm hmm.

• 42:59Speaker 02

  You know, that's bad enough. You say, you know, who.

• 43:02Theo Von?

  Oh yeah, that little Bush like Rorschach?

• 43:04Speaker 02

  Right, yeah, it's a Rorschach.

• 43:05Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 43:05Speaker 02

  The vomit Rorschach.

• 43:06Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 43:06Speaker 02

  Outside of bars. So in space, there's no Rorschach because it doesn't fall down. It just goes everywhere and it gets in your hair and in the vents and everything. Unless you, unless you got a bag.

• 43:18Theo Von?

  Right.

• 43:18Speaker 02

  To barf into. And you have to make sure that it has forward velocity. So that gets into the bag. You can't just come up into your mouth. Cause then it wouldn't know where else to go.

• 43:30Theo Von?

  So it could hypothetically be pumped, but like your stomach.

• 43:33Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, your, your, your stomach pumps.

• 43:35Theo Von?

  Can convulsed enough to get it to your mouth?

• 43:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 43:38Theo Von?

  You would have to spit it out?

• 43:39Speaker 02

  They call it reverse peristalsis, they call it. Where all your, your digestive organs, it says, I gotta get this out of here. And by the way, think about it, when you're throwing up, it's going against gravity to begin with. It was in your stomach and now it's here.

• 43:52Theo Von?

  Mm hmm.

• 43:52Speaker 02

  So you are already working against gravity. So in zero G, you would have no trouble doing that. I'm just saying, you want it to have some projectile velocity to get into the bag.

• 44:03Theo Von?

  Oh, for sure.

• 44:03Speaker 02

  Otherwise it just kinda hang out all on your face.

• 44:06Theo Von?

  Ah.

• 44:06Speaker 02

  Just things to think about, cause, cause you're thinking about going in space, dude.

• 44:10Theo Von?

  Well, you think, you're making me think about it.

• 44:13Speaker 02

  That's what I said I would take you, that's why.

• 44:14Theo Von?

  You think I'm not gonna think about it when you walk in the room? What are you talking about?

• 44:19Speaker 02

  Reassert. They're comedians I love, but they come more from my life experience.

• 44:24Theo Von?

  Mm hmm.

• 44:25Speaker 02

  And it's fun if they say something that I might have thought of, but I'm gonna tell you, you have a completely different life experience than I ever had or dreamt of. And I value that.

• 44:34Theo Von?

  Aw, thank you, Neil. Well, I appreciate it. Same about you, dude. I feel lucky to be able to talk with you today.

• 44:39Speaker 02

  No, well, you're in my town. I can't let you come through town without me finding you and.

• 44:42Theo Von?

  And that's the truth. I appreciate it, man. I really do. Yeah, this is fun, dude. I'll say this, you make communicating fun.

• 44:50Speaker 02

  Oh, well, thank you. Yeah, you know, I thought about it. Uh, there's a professor at the front of a class and they're like writing on the chalkboard or whatever the board is made of these days. They're expecting you to meet them at the chalkboard. They don't care how you learn. They're, they're just putting it out there. So they're being a professor, but they're not being an educator.

• 45:13Theo Von?

  Hmm.

• 45:13Speaker 02

  Okay, they're not being a communicator, an educator communicator turns around, looks at their audience and wonders, how is your brain wired for thought? For learning? And I'm gonna shape my information to reach in there so I can access everybody in the room.

• 45:28Theo Von?

  Hell yeah.

• 45:29Speaker 02

  And I'm gonna meet you 90% of the way to where you are. And that's more effort. Otherwise you're just putting stuff up and leaving.

• 45:37Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 45:37Speaker 02

  It's, it's more effort. So thank you for noticing that.

• 45:40Theo Von?

  Yeah, I see the shapes you making, daddy. I see it. I love it. I love it, man. I, I read actually in your book, it's, I said, I read somewhere that you can't even smell in space. Is that true?

• 45:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, so space.

• 45:51Theo Von?

  Tell me a little bit more about space.

• 45:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Space, there's no, you know, the, the molecules are very sparse.

• 45:58Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 45:58Speaker 02

  It's, it's the world's best vacuum, okay? And so when you smell, you are inhaling molecules that connect to your olfactory glands. And they connect in ways that give you a taste, give you a smell. I mean, they're all related.

• 46:13Theo Von?

  So if I smell something, it's actually a molecule that lands inside?

• 46:16Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 46:16Theo Von?

  And that sets off the senses?

• 46:18Speaker 02

  If you taste something, it's a molecule that attaches to your taste buds. Same phenomenon.

• 46:21Theo Von?

  Got it.

• 46:22Speaker 02

  Now here's something interesting.

• 46:23Theo Von?

  Mm hmm.

• 46:24Speaker 02

  Some molecules twist this way.

• 46:26Theo Von?

  Mm hmm.

• 46:27Speaker 02

  And other molecules twist the other way.

• 46:29Theo Von?

  Yeah, I know which ones twist the other way, cuz. You know what I'm talking about?

• 46:35Speaker 02

  So watch.

• 46:36Theo Von?

  I know a couple of them boys.

• 46:38Speaker 02

  So the molecule that gives you the flavor of mint.

• 46:43Theo Von?

  Mm hmm.

• 46:45Speaker 02

  Twists, it's exactly the same molecule, except in space, it twists the opposite way from the molecule that gives you the flavor of caraway.

• 46:56Theo Von?

  What is caraway?

• 46:56Speaker 02

  Caraway, that's the seed that's in rye bread.

• 46:59Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 47:00Speaker 02

  So caraway and mint, if you write down the chemical equation, it's identical. But if you build them, they, they turn in opposite directions. And so that tells you that it's not just the chemical. It's how it's configured so that it attaches to your taste buds. And in one way you taste mint, the other way you taste this, it's a caraway seed thing. Yeah, it's, it's, I think it's caraway.

• 47:22Theo Von?

  So it's just because of the way that it moves, that the taste?

• 47:25Speaker 02

  The way that it attaches the configuration of the molecule to the configuration of your taste buds.

• 47:31Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 47:32Speaker 02

  It, if it can lock in, then you'll taste it. Otherwise it goes right on by. Do you remember, you're old enough to remember, uh, there was this this thing that Lay's potato chip, did they invent it? It's called Olestra.

• 47:45Theo Von?

  Oh, I remember that.

• 47:46Speaker 02

  Remember Olestra?

• 47:47Theo Von?

  Bro, remember that?

• 47:48Speaker 02

  Do you remember Olestra?

• 47:49Theo Von?

  The booty chip.

• 47:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. So they.

• 47:52Theo Von?

  The booty chip.

• 47:54Speaker 02

  It's oil. And they fry the chips in this oil, but that oil, we don't have we don't have enzymes to digest that molecule.

• 48:07Theo Von?

  Man, Neil, man.

• 48:08Speaker 02

  And so it, so it has.

• 48:10Theo Von?

  Couldn't handle it.

• 48:11Speaker 02

  The flavor of the oil, but you, you can't digest it. So it, it does not get pulled into your body. It moves through your intestine.

• 48:20Theo Von?

  Man, people was doo doo in everywhere.

• 48:21Speaker 02

  Ah, so, so on the, on the bag of chips, it said, uh, one, don't eat too much. It may cause anal leakage.

• 48:31Theo Von?

  Yup.

• 48:32Speaker 02

  First time ever, those words were on a bag of potato chips.

• 48:35Theo Von?

  And the FDA approved it?

• 48:37Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, yeah, also it's anal leakage.

• 48:40Theo Von?

  What?

• 48:41Speaker 02

  So the point, my, my point is, that is something that did not configured to our ability to digest it. We didn't have the enzymes for it. So it just went right on through.

• 48:53Theo Von?

  I just wanna see, uh, Olestra may cause abdominal cramping and loose stools. Olestra inhibits the absorption of some vitamins and other nutrients.

• 49:01Speaker 02

  Abdominal cramping, yeah.

• 49:02Theo Von?

  Yeah, you may remember them as wow chips, Frito Lay. They used them in there. Lay's used Olestra in versions of Lay's, Ruffles, Doritos and Tostitos. Pringles also had light fat free version, using the ingredient. A serving of wow chips was marketed as having about half the calorie of standard chips and no fat. But it didn't have fat because I think it just ran right through your body. So it didn't even.

• 49:26Speaker 02

  Well, but it's fat that you could not digest.

• 49:28Theo Von?

  Right.

• 49:28Speaker 02

  So it normally, what happens if you eat fat and you eat it, it becomes fat, your fat. Right? Or a source of energy for you. We, we could not interact with it chemically.

• 49:37Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 49:37Speaker 02

  So we are a sack of chemicals that either do or do not interact with what we put in, in our mouths. Or what we smell.

• 49:45Theo Von?

  Mm hmm.

• 49:46Speaker 02

  Or what we taste. So I'm just saying, there are people say, I don't like food that has chemicals in it. Everything is chemicals. You are chemicals. Have you ever seen like the list of medicines at a pharmacy? There's a book called the, the P D R, Physician's Death Rap, is, it's this thick.

• 50:05Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 50:06Speaker 02

  It's four inches thick. It's filled with all the medicines that exist that we take.

• 50:10Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 50:10Speaker 02

  Why do they work at all? Because we are sacks of chemistry and so are these medicines.

• 50:14Theo Von?

  Hmm.

• 50:15Speaker 02

  There it is.

• 50:15Theo Von?

  Got it.

• 50:16Speaker 02

  And we didn't start living longer until we figured that out. If you know.

• 50:20Theo Von?

  Well, but we don't know that.

• 50:21Speaker 02

  No, no, I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you.

• 50:23Theo Von?

  We don't know if that's true.

• 50:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm gonna tell you.

• 50:27Speaker 02

  Sorry.

• 50:28Theo Von?

  No, it's fine, dude.

• 50:29Speaker 02

  It was fun doing that, I don't know.

• 50:30Theo Von?

  No, it's good, we're having a good time, bro.

• 50:31Speaker 02

  Cavemen.

• 50:32Theo Von?

  We don't know that because there is, there's stories in the Bible where they say people lived a thousand years.

• 50:38Speaker 02

  No, um, um, not a thousand, the oldest was, uh, who is it? He lived nine hundred and sixty-nine years.

• 50:45Theo Von?

  Well, come on, man.

• 50:48Theo Von?

  You know what I'm saying, bro?

• 50:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, uh, Methuselah lived nine hundred and sixty-nine years.

• 50:52Theo Von?

  Methuselah, dang.

• 50:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 50:54Theo Von?

  Shorty was trying to meet somebody.

• 50:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, so, and I think Noah was, I think, seven hundred something. Yeah, everybody back then, yeah, look at those ages.

• 51:03Theo Von?

  So they were living, bro.

• 51:05Speaker 02

  No, nine hundred and fifty, yeah, so they were.

• 51:06Theo Von?

  But also, they only had a few people, so they had to stay alive.

• 51:09Speaker 02

  Oh, is that how that worked?

• 51:10Theo Von?

  Oh, yes, right?

• 51:12Speaker 02

  So I think people started living normal, quote, "normal age," biblical normal ages, after Noah.

• 51:19Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 51:19Speaker 02

  That's when the ages came back down.

• 51:21Theo Von?

  Yeah, once the pets showed up, people were like, "We can chill," you know?

• 51:24Speaker 02

  But if you look at, like, the, the archaeological records, which are not what's in the Bible, um, half of everyone born in cavemen days were dead before they were thirty, okay? Fast forward to eighteen forty. Eighteen fifty, half of everyone born in the world was dead before they were thirty-five.

• 51:43Theo Von?

  Hmm.

• 51:45Speaker 02

  That's ten, twenty thousand years. And you know, everyone over that time

• 51:51Speaker 02

  drank, drank clear water, breathed pure air, they ate organic.

• 51:58Theo Von?

  Right, hmm. Cause sometimes we romanticize the idea.

• 52:02Speaker 02

  They romanticize, "I do not want to go back to that time, plus I'd be someone's slave anyway," right? So, no, I don't want to go back to that time.

• 52:08Theo Von?

  Not in my place, you wouldn't.

• 52:09Speaker 02

  Oh, thank you, sir. Love you. So, so...

• 52:13Theo Von?

  Now, you'd have to do something. I'm just saying, we all gotta help out. You know what I'm saying? You'll have to do the dishes once in a while, but we all will have our, our day to do them.

• 52:25Theo Von?

  Anyway, sorry, I shouldn't have said anything. I'm just saying, I got you, bro. Anywhere we go in time, I got you, dawg.

• 52:30Speaker 02

  Thank you, thank you. So, uh, so what happened between eighteen fifty and, like, nineteen fifty?

• 52:36Theo Von?

  And that's the truth. So it was thirty, maybe thirty-four, you said, until, like, eighteen fifty?

• 52:40Speaker 02

  Well, for thirty thousand years.

• 52:42Theo Von?

  That's how long.

• 52:42Speaker 02

  Since cavemen through the middle of the nineteenth century.

• 52:45Theo Von?

  That's how long people lived.

• 52:46Speaker 02

  We increased the life expectancy by five years, okay? Half of everyone born in eighteen forty was dead by, before they were thirty-five. A lot of it was infant deaths as well. We've just gotten way better at that. But also, there are three things: vaccines, antibiotics, and sanitation. Those three things doubled our life expectancy within decades. And now we're damn near triple that, when you have other medicines and anti-cancer treatments and this sort of thing. It's not odd to have someone live to be ninety-something.

• 53:19Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 53:19Speaker 02

  That's not even weird.

• 53:21Theo Von?

  But now we're also, I think it seems like, we've gotten to a place where some of these things have become compromised or got, like, greed has become such a big thing. Corporate involvement has been, become...

• 53:31Speaker 02

  Well, it's always been, but...

• 53:32Theo Von?

  Right, but I think it's big, it seems like, across the board.

• 53:35Speaker 02

  Greed over your health.

• 53:37Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 53:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, sure, that can, and whatever that is, it's not as big an impact as the positive impact, realizing that we are sacks of chemistry and we can interact with us chemically, to, to get rid of ailments, to cure disease.

• 53:50Theo Von?

  Oh, for sure.

• 53:51Speaker 02

  To, you know, so, I'm just saying, I'm giving a shout out to modern medicine and science.

• 53:56Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 53:57Speaker 02

  Cause that's what, people take science for granted, cause it's kinda hidden, you know?

• 54:02Theo Von?

  Well, I think more, more recently, what has given it a bad rap, um, probably are, uh, during COVID, and we don't have to go into any of this, but I'm just saying, some of the things that I think have given it a bad rap, even more specifically, probably during COVID, I think, to me, anyway, uh, the, like, the, whenever they had the opioid epidemic and those people didn't get held liable, that was like a big thing, not about science in general, but just about, uh...

• 54:26Speaker 02

  That was a medicine that a medical company made. I mean, right, right, a pharmaceutical company.

• 54:30Theo Von?

  That stuff, and then, like, now there's a lot of, like, skepticism, because there's a lot of ownership by, like, the, of news and media, there's a lot of entanglement, so I think...

• 54:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, it's, it's, it's a problem. And I think life expectancies have stalled a little bit, and the opioid...

• 54:45Theo Von?

  They're pausing.

• 54:45Speaker 02

  The opioid epidemic actually impacted that. So did COVID, by the way. Our life expectancy stalled during COVID. Uh, but I'm saying, overall, are you living a life with science or without science?

• 54:57Theo Von?

  Right.

• 54:57Speaker 02

  I'm picking science.

• 54:58Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 54:58Speaker 02

  Okay? And we gotta, you know, make sure it's working for us.

• 55:02Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 55:02Speaker 02

  And not against us.

• 55:03Theo Von?

  I think that's where we are in this space now, hopefully, is that

• 55:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:05Theo Von?

  there's gonna be some purification of a lot of processes that maybe have probably gotten compromised in different places, and some that haven't and have been accused of being compromised.

• 55:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, all I'm saying is, people say, "I'm just saying, science is this," you realize we could, we, we landed a rover, an SUV-sized rover on Mars that carried a helicopter with it, that, that flew around the surface of Mars.

• 55:25Theo Von?

  But they lost it.

• 55:27Speaker 02

  No, it died. The helicopter died.

• 55:29Theo Von?

  But the rover, that thing is missing.

• 55:31Speaker 02

  Oh, is it? I haven't checked that.

• 55:32Theo Von?

  I think it is, isn't it?

• 55:33Speaker 02

  Is that right?

• 55:34Theo Von?

  Did they ever get that rover back?

• 55:35Speaker 02

  You can't lose that rover.

• 55:36Theo Von?

  I'm not calling you out on it, Neil, I'm just saying.

• 55:38Speaker 02

  You can call me out, I, I don't play full knowledge of everything in the whole universe.

• 55:41Theo Von?

  But the fact that they got it there, yes.

• 55:43Speaker 02

  That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.

• 55:45Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 55:45Speaker 02

  So, and...

• 55:46Theo Von?

  Most people can't get their kid to pick up their torch in the living room, and science is putting one on to Mars.

• 55:51Speaker 02

  No, NASA main rovers have not gone missing.

• 55:54Theo Von?

  Curiosity and perseverance, um...

• 55:57Speaker 02

  Where they remain operating, yeah, those are the current rovers.

• 55:59Theo Von?

  Those are their names?

• 55:59Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 56:00Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 56:00Speaker 02

  They get named by, by middle schools, uh, NASA holds a contest.

• 56:04Theo Von?

  They were named by urban middle schools, I think. Curiosity and perseverance remain operating on Mars. Older rovers such as Spirit and Opportunity...

• 56:13Speaker 02

  What, those words too big for you? What are you saying?

• 56:15Theo Von?

  I'm just saying, that those names have more, uh, ambiance to them.

• 56:21Speaker 02

  Oh, so they're more abstract?

• 56:22Theo Von?

  Yes, than like Matthew and Susan.

• 56:25Speaker 02

  Gotcha.

• 56:26Theo Von?

  That's what I am saying.

• 56:27Speaker 02

  Gotcha.

• 56:27Theo Von?

  And that is the truth. Curiosity and perseverance remain operating on Mars. Older rovers such as Spirit and Opportunity ended after NASA lost contact with them.

• 56:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, cause their batteries die, that, that, that's fine. So, no, we're still in contact. All I'm saying is,

• 56:39Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 56:40Speaker 02

  you know, as a matter of fact, it is rocket science. As a matter of fact, yeah, you gotta work hard to get the right answers.

• 56:46Theo Von?

  Science is done.

• 56:47Speaker 02

  And, you know, last year, this year, and next year, there's a total solar eclipse. I can tell you the exact second it will begin and where you need to stand to see it.

• 56:57Theo Von?

  Hmm.

• 56:58Speaker 02

  This is an event in the future of the moon moving through space, coming between Earth and the sun. We know what's going on. We're, if I didn't tell you how we figured this out, the scientists would be the gods of this earth.

• 57:15Theo Von?

  Hmm.

• 57:16Speaker 02

  If you don't behave, I'm gonna get rid of the sun tomorrow at twelve thirty-five.

• 57:20Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 57:21Speaker 02

  And you say, and the sun starts disappearing, you'll be groveling at my feet, try to get the sun back.

• 57:26Theo Von?

  Damn.

• 57:26Speaker 02

  And I'll say, "Yeah, okay, I'll, I'll bring it back just this one time," and it comes back.

• 57:31Theo Von?

  I bet there was a lot of perverted action going on.

• 57:34Speaker 02

  But we tell you how we know this. We write books. You can learn to do that, too.

• 57:39Theo Von?

  The old missing sun trick, huh? I bet a lot of ladies and some dudes fell for that.

• 57:47Theo Von?

  I bet they fell for that, but you're right.

• 57:49Speaker 02

  You know, if you needed another reason to think Columbus was a dick,

• 57:52Theo Von?

  Mm-hmm.

• 57:53Speaker 02

  okay, on his third voyage, or might, might have been fourth, um...

• 57:56Theo Von?

  How many voyages did he get?

• 57:58Speaker 02

  Huh?

• 57:58Theo Von?

  He got more than one?

• 57:59Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Multiple voyages.

• 58:01Theo Von?

  Oh, I thought he did it on the first...

• 58:03Speaker 02

  He came back multiple times, no.

• 58:04Theo Von?

  Oh, I thought he did it on the first try.

• 58:06Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, on the third or fourth, um, there's, he's in Jamaica or Hispaniola, one of the larger Caribbean islands, and he's ready to, to go back to Spain, and, oh, he's got four voyages, good. Uh, so...

• 58:21Theo Von?

  Between fourteen ninety-two and fifteen oh-four, he made four voyages across the Atlantic.

• 58:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, there you go. So, on his fourth voyage, it was, uh, he was headed back to Spain, and he didn't have enough food for his crew. And so he went to the locals, "I need, can you spare me some food for this trip back?" Says, "No, we only grow exactly what we need for, to get through the winter, so we can't do this." You know, he did, he went, looked up his tables, science tables, and said, "If you do not give my crew food, my Christian God," cause they're all heathens, right, cause they're running around, they're not Christian.

• 59:00Theo Von?

  Right.

• 59:01Speaker 02

  "My Christian God will make the moon disappear six days hence, if you do not obey."

• 59:09Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 59:10Speaker 02

  And some were rightly skeptical, but others were kind of spooked. And six days come, the moon starts disappearing. Cause he knew there was a total lunar eclipse happening and they just brought on the food.

• 59:22Theo Von?

  Dang.

• 59:23Speaker 02

  And I don't, we didn't check back to see if they survived the winter, but.

• 59:27Theo Von?

  But they definitely.

• 59:28Speaker 02

  Yeah. If you needed another reason to think Columbus was a dick, that there goes one.

• 59:32Theo Von?

  But if you.

• 59:33Speaker 02

  Using the laws of physics known to the Europeans.

• 59:35Theo Von?

  Was he a dick or was he a scientist? You know what I'm saying? But I'm just saying, he used trickery.

• 59:41Speaker 02

  He used knowledge of the rhythms of the heavens as trickery. Yes. And I'm saying, so, so that's the case. If scientists did that today, we would rule the world.

• 59:51Theo Von?

  Right.

• 59:51Speaker 02

  But no, we let politicians rule the world for reasons that remain mysterious to scientists. But we tell you how it's all done.

• 59:59Theo Von?

  Mysterious to everybody, I think.

• 1:00:00Speaker 02

  Oh yeah. Okay. There you go.

• 1:00:02Theo Von?

  It's a mysterious place that we're in, you know? That's why I'm here today.

• 1:00:05Speaker 02

  I, I'm telling you, the comedians make it bearable. Thank you for existing in this world.

• 1:00:12Theo Von?

  Well, that's nice of you to say, Neil.

• 1:00:14Speaker 02

  I think you guys carry the soul of a, of a society, of civilization. Cause you, cause you, you have to be smart enough to know what's there to make fun of, make fun of it and hand it back to the people. Who, who would otherwise get angry because you're making fun of them, but say, hey, that's kind of. Oh, you, you shed some light on something that I didn't even know I was doing, or I was thinking, or I was saying. And so, yes, you make the world bearable.

• 1:00:42Theo Von?

  Let's take a break right there for a second. You gotta pee or anything, Neil? Today's episode is in partnership with Manscaped. The men's grooming brand trusted by over 14 million men worldwide. And big news fellows, Manscaped just dropped the all new Lawn Mower Ultra Gen 6. We got it before GTA 6. What's going on? They somehow made the goat of body trimmers even better. And packed this thing with a bunch of upgrades that actually make a difference. That's the truth. I've been trimming with that thing.

• 1:01:23Theo Von?

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• 1:02:05Theo Von?

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• 1:03:34Theo Von?

  Yeah, dude, you know what I was just thinking the other day was I wish they made pants, right? And they, they should have these that you can, they have a built in like liner in between.

• 1:03:43Speaker 02

  Oh, to just pee down the leg.

• 1:03:44Theo Von?

  That you can pee into the pants.

• 1:03:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, they kind of have that.

• 1:03:47Theo Von?

  And the pants holds it.

• 1:03:48Speaker 02

  Space suits can do that. Yeah.

• 1:03:50Theo Von?

  Really?

• 1:03:50Speaker 02

  If not diapers, they used to have these, these.

• 1:03:54Theo Von?

  Well, this is a portable urinal.

• 1:03:55Speaker 02

  Stadium pow. There it is.

• 1:03:57Theo Von?

  That's a portable urinal though. I'm talking about pants where it just fills up in the legs and then.

• 1:04:03Speaker 02

  You don't want to fill it up, like dump the stuff, dude.

• 1:04:05Theo Von?

  I don't want to be caught dumping it or whatever. And what if you get caught by the city or whatever? I want to just fill it up and then drop it like, yeah, put it at home or put your leg over the toilet.

• 1:04:15Speaker 02

  This is for people who are drinking beer at a ball game. And are too fricking lazy to get off their ass and go to the bathroom.

• 1:04:25Theo Von?

  Yeah, they have, yeah, this is, yeah, this is.

• 1:04:28Speaker 02

  You're looking at it.

• 1:04:28Theo Von?

  This is just some dude who's taped a bunch of plastic to his leg and he's literally.

• 1:04:34Speaker 02

  We peeing it in this commercial, in that ad, there's pee going in it. That, that, no, that's, that ain't right.

• 1:04:42Theo Von?

  Yeah, of course it's not.

• 1:04:43Speaker 02

  Be discreet.

• 1:04:44Theo Von?

  Of course, be discreet and look at the guy. You know that dude.

• 1:04:49Speaker 02

  No, I, I don't mind getting up, moving my muscles every, you know, however, a couple hours.

• 1:04:54Theo Von?

  If I have pee in my body, I want it to get out. Um.

• 1:04:58Speaker 02

  You said you were bed wetter as a kid.

• 1:04:59Theo Von?

  Oh yeah, I was.

• 1:05:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:01Theo Von?

  I wet, I was just.

• 1:05:02Speaker 02

  When did it go away? Is it still, is it still?

• 1:05:05Theo Von?

  I'm non-practicing.

• 1:05:06Speaker 02

  Non-practicing bed wetter.

• 1:05:07Theo Von?

  Yeah, but I'm not currently active.

• 1:05:09Speaker 02

  So, so I, I was not a bed wetter, but it's not like I never did wet the bed. And the, the times that I did wet the bed, I, I can count them. I was dreaming that I was in the bathroom peeing.

• 1:05:21Theo Von?

  Oh wow. Yeah. Sometimes that would happen to me.

• 1:05:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:05:24Theo Von?

  But other times I would just pee all over.

• 1:05:25Speaker 02

  Yeah. Wait, in your dream, you're just peeing everywhere you are?

• 1:05:29Theo Von?

  Oh dude, I would remember. Yeah. A lot of, because I would have dreams and for some reason I was, sometimes I was like a. Like a, it wasn't like a detective or whatever, but it was like. Somebody who like had to have information or something and people would ask me the information. And my answer was always just to pee all over in the dream. Like it would be like.

• 1:05:46Speaker 02

  Wow, it was a response?

• 1:05:47Theo Von?

  Yes, it was a response.

• 1:05:48Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:05:49Theo Von?

  And so then I would pee in real life. Look up what, what type of child is there like a, is there a, um. Like a demographic or a gender, like what type of kids wet the bed like the most or for the longest, I wonder?

• 1:06:03Speaker 02

  I don't know if they've got that figured out, but they, they later found some medicine that I heard.

• 1:06:07Theo Von?

  Oh, I took it.

• 1:06:08Speaker 02

  Oh, you did? Okay.

• 1:06:09Theo Von?

  Oh dude, I'll tell you about something else that they got. So I finally got a pill and they, you get a pill and you don't wet the bed, but you gotta take the pill. And sometimes you forget or whatever, and you just wet the bed. But the other thing that can happen is my mother.

• 1:06:24Speaker 02

  That pill, somebody invented that pill. Okay. I mean, before that, there was no pill. And then there's a pill. So I'm just saying that's a, um, oh, here's the statistics. Yeah. So the, the bed wetting drops, you know, as you get it to your teens, you have, it's hard to.

• 1:06:42Theo Von?

  Yeah. At age five, it's 15 to 20% of kids. And then it drops a couple of percent here and there until age 10, it's five to 6%. And adulthood, about 2% in some estimates. Scroll back up a little bit. Bed wetting clinically called nocturnal in.

• 1:07:01Speaker 02

  And euresis?

• 1:07:02Theo Von?

  In euresis, after age five is about two to three times more common in boys than girls. And one US sample of eight to 11 year olds, it affected 6.21% of boys versus 2.15%.

• 1:07:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, more than twice.

• 1:07:14Theo Von?

  Race itself is not a useful standalone explanation for why an individual child bed wets or will wet the longest.

• 1:07:21Speaker 02

  Yeah. So it's, I mean, I'm just saying, we're a sack of chemicals. We give you a pill that goes away.

• 1:07:27Theo Von?

  Well, listen to what happened to me, dude. So my mother, for my birthday one time. Saved up a little bit of money and she got me these electric buzzer underwear, right? And it was in underwears that had a buzzer in the front. And when the.

• 1:07:42Speaker 02

  When pee hits it.

• 1:07:42Theo Von?

  When the pee, pee hits it, it makes her like.

• 1:07:46Speaker 02

  So it wakes you up?

• 1:07:47Theo Von?

  Wakes you up, right? But dude, uh, I ended up, so I would go over to my grandparents, right? I'd go stay there when I was really, when I was really like probably four or five. And they let me drink as much apple juice as I could, right? And you, and I would piss big on apple juice, right? If I was drinking apple juice, I knew I was wetting the bed.

• 1:08:04Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:08:04Theo Von?

  And the second it hit my lips, I couldn't stop drinking it. So I would drink like one of the big ones at night. Dude, and then my grandparents didn't know I had these underwears. And so in the middle of the night, I'm laying there buzzing. I'm dead asleep. My grandfather has no idea what's going on, dude. I wake up, he's on a chair.

• 1:08:20Speaker 02

  Your groin is buzzing?

• 1:08:21Theo Von?

  He thought I was getting electrocuted. He's on a chair with a broomstick, pushing it against my body like that. Trying to get me to be, be awake, scared, crying. Yeah.

• 1:08:30Speaker 02

  What, a broomstick?

• 1:08:31Theo Von?

  Yeah. Cause I guess he thought wood wouldn't travel, um, energy.

• 1:08:35Speaker 02

  Unless he thought you, the devil was in you and you're trying to exercise.

• 1:08:38Theo Von?

  Look, he might've been trying to touch me with a stick. Who knows?

• 1:08:41Speaker 02

  So maybe the person who invented, maybe the person who invented the pill. Was given that gift as his grandma, saying, I'm not doing this.

• 1:08:49Theo Von?

  And it changed it. And then science helped him figure it out.

• 1:08:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:52Theo Von?

  What, what about this dude? Can you ejaculate in space? Would that be the same as vomiting kind of like, is it the same? Like, can you ejaculate?

• 1:08:59Speaker 02

  I mean, the muscles do that all by themselves. So the way to test it.

• 1:09:02Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:03Speaker 02

  Here's how to test it is, because when they first sent astronauts in space, they, there was the question, can you swallow in space?

• 1:09:09Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:10Speaker 02

  What, will, will, will phlegm just gather in your throat? But there were all these questions and it'd never been tested. But you could sort of test it.

• 1:09:18Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:19Speaker 02

  You can say, okay. On earth, can you ejaculate standing up? Clearly.

• 1:09:27Theo Von?

  Yes.

• 1:09:27Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:09:30Speaker 02

  Can you ejaculate horizontally? Clearly.

• 1:09:36Speaker 02

  Can you ejaculate upside down? Now, that's harder to test, but there's no reason why you think that wouldn't happen. Well, if you can ejaculate vertical to gravity, horizontal to gravity, and opposite gravity, then no gravity should be no problem for that action. And sure enough, yeah, you can ejaculate in space, women ovulate in space. All the normal things, because the body doesn't know if you're horizontal or vertical. It's got to be able to do it all by itself. Veins sending

• 1:10:10Speaker 02

  blood.

• 1:10:13Speaker 02

  You know, why doesn't blood collect in your down here? Because you have veins and arteries that help move the blood through your system, get it back to the heart. So

• 1:10:22Theo Von?

  Because otherwise, blood would just gather all on your feet?

• 1:10:24Speaker 02

  You know, correct, without that.

• 1:10:26Theo Von?

  Because of gravity?

• 1:10:27Speaker 02

  Here's what happens, yes, here's what happens in space.

• 1:10:31Speaker 02

  Your brain doesn't know how to get rid of the blood as efficiently as other parts of your body. So people, their heads can swell up a bit.

• 1:10:42Theo Von?

  Really?

• 1:10:43Speaker 02

  In zero G, yeah. And they can put this pressure on the eyeballs. So it's not a, it's not a picnic.

• 1:10:48Theo Von?

  How do they relieve that in there?

• 1:10:49Speaker 02

  I don't know all the ways that they, they figured this out. So you know the, the solution? Rotate the space station, like any sci fi movie you've ever seen, it rotates. And it creates an artificial gravity, and then you don't have to worry about it. Get on with your life. So NASA still hasn't gone there, even though all of science fiction has. So I'm very disappointed.

• 1:11:10Theo Von?

  That's fascinating, man.

• 1:11:11Speaker 02

  Oh, by the way, in Lost in Space, there are chapters on every one of these subjects.

• 1:11:16Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

• 1:11:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:11:17Theo Von?

  Everything in there, there's

• 1:11:18Speaker 02

  Every, there's on space exploration, what, what, you know?

• 1:11:21Theo Von?

  Like, half of the stuff we've been talking about are things out of there, but also it's like

• 1:11:24Speaker 02

  That's right, that's right.

• 1:11:25Theo Von?

  It's all a bunch of like, it's so many different facts and things that are kind of conversation starters, man. I read, one thing I read in there was that that you, you, you'll be younger in space. Or that, does space make you younger?

• 1:11:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, it doesn't make you younger, you well, okay, it depends how fast you're moving.

• 1:11:46Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 1:11:47Speaker 02

  If you're moving really fast, you will age more slowly than people back on Earth.

• 1:11:51Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 1:11:52Speaker 02

  And so it's just Einstein's relativity. So you don't reverse so much as everything ticks slower, your heart rate, your watch. Everything is normal to you. And you look to Earth and everybody's kind of moving faster. It's a relativity problem. It's not, so it's a fascinating fact. And

• 1:12:11Theo Von?

  Wait, explain it to me a little bit better if you

• 1:12:12Speaker 02

  Well, there's not, it's, it's just is, I mean

• 1:12:14Theo Von?

  But like, if you come back, will you have aged as much?

• 1:12:17Speaker 02

  That's the famous twin paradox, right? So you send off your twin and they go and travel at the speed of light or half the speed of light.

• 1:12:24Theo Von?

  Mark and Scott Kelly are the twins, right? Yeah.

• 1:12:27Speaker 02

  They're twin astronauts and they sent, they're identical twins and they sent one into, into the space station for like a year or so. And then the other one stayed here on Earth.

• 1:12:35Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:35Speaker 02

  And when they came back, then they tested their DNA, they looked at their health. There they go, we got good pictures of them.

• 1:12:40Theo Von?

  What'd they learn?

• 1:12:41Speaker 02

  I think I had Scott Kelly on my podcast and I said, so which twin are you? He said, I'm the good looking one. It was a fun reply, he's probably been asked that a hundred times.

• 1:12:52Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah, I don't even believe in twins, but I believe that they, that people love them.

• 1:12:57Speaker 02

  So I have no idea what you meant by that, that you don't believe in twins?

• 1:13:01Theo Von?

  It just makes me very nervous.

• 1:13:03Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:13:03Theo Von?

  And I don't, I don't have, I don't hold any edge against people that are twins. I love them.

• 1:13:08Speaker 02

  But

• 1:13:08Theo Von?

  But it makes me very skeptical.

• 1:13:10Speaker 02

  You're creeped out?

• 1:13:11Theo Von?

  No, skeptical.

• 1:13:13Speaker 02

  Of?

• 1:13:14Theo Von?

  The reality of it.

• 1:13:15Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:13:15Theo Von?

  And maybe the science.

• 1:13:17Speaker 02

  So here's what I said, the good thing about science is

• 1:13:19Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:20Speaker 02

  It's true whether or not you believe in it.

• 1:13:22Theo Von?

  Right. Right.

• 1:13:24Speaker 02

  So whether or not you believe in it has no effect.

• 1:13:27Theo Von?

  Oh, let them cook. But I'm just saying, if they show up like that.

• 1:13:32Speaker 02

  You're a little creeped out.

• 1:13:33Theo Von?

  No. I'm just

• 1:13:35Speaker 02

  You don't believe this can happen?

• 1:13:37Theo Von?

  I want to see the paperwork. That's what I'm saying, I want to see the VIN numbers.

• 1:13:43Speaker 02

  You want to see?

• 1:13:44Theo Von?

  I want to see the car facts.

• 1:13:48Theo Von?

  That's

• 1:13:48Speaker 02

  Show me the car facts.

• 1:13:49Theo Von?

  That's what I want to see, Neil.

• 1:13:52Speaker 02

  By the way, by the way, by the way. Okay. Twins have different fingerprints.

• 1:14:02Speaker 02

  There's their VIN.

• 1:14:03Theo Von?

  That's better.

• 1:14:04Speaker 02

  I refuse to say VIN number because the N in VIN stands for number, so I refuse to say that. Okay?

• 1:14:11Speaker 02

  It's like people said, where's the nearest ATM machine? The M in ATM stands for machine.

• 1:14:16Theo Von?

  I respect that.

• 1:14:17Speaker 02

  Okay, so, so the VIN is, is their fingerprint.

• 1:14:20Theo Von?

  Got it.

• 1:14:21Speaker 02

  There you go, it's two different, two different fingerprints.

• 1:14:23Theo Von?

  Huh. Do they have the same DNA?

• 1:14:26Speaker 02

  Identical DNA.

• 1:14:27Theo Von?

  What? So one of them could do a murder and you could think it's either one?

• 1:14:31Speaker 02

  Uh, depending on the, yes, yes, you wouldn't know. Yes, it could be the twin who did it, but you know what's crazier than that? There's some people who are, what's the word?

• 1:14:42Speaker 02

  They're chimeras. There's some people

• 1:14:45Theo Von?

  That can see at night?

• 1:14:46Speaker 02

  No. That, that'd be good if you could. There's some people where the zygote, something in their, in their fertilization merged two different DNAs into one life form. I think it's, I, I, I don't, don't quote me on this. And I think it has to do with

• 1:15:09Speaker 02

  two, that might have been fraternal twins, but the, the yolks merged. So when you come out as an adult, if I take a DNA sample of your arm, I'll get a different DNA than I get a DNA sample from some other part of your body. And they're called chimeras.

• 1:15:24Theo Von?

  Let me see that. A chimera is a single organism, object, or concept made up of completely different parts, genotypes, or origins.

• 1:15:33Theo Von?

  A single organism whose body contains cells from two or more distinct zygotes?

• 1:15:37Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:15:37Theo Von?

  It can happen when two fertilized eggs fuse together early in the womb or through cell exchange in twins.

• 1:15:43Speaker 02

  It's two separately fertilized eggs, so they would be, it's not a twin, it's not an identical twin.

• 1:15:47Theo Von?

  Got it.

• 1:15:48Speaker 02

  So, but it could show up in the same body.

• 1:15:49Theo Von?

  Ooh.

• 1:15:50Speaker 02

  So it means if I do commit a crime and I leave DNA on the scene, and then they get DNA off my cheek or something, and it's not the DNA that I left, they, they wouldn't implicate me. Yeah, it's pretty wild.

• 1:16:03Theo Von?

  That is wild.

• 1:16:03Speaker 02

  It'd be a good murder mystery if you want to just throw in some chimeras. They're very rare people.

• 1:16:08Theo Von?

  Just throw a couple in.

• 1:16:11Theo Von?

  Well, what we've been talking about, people going to space, right? And space travel and what's going on? And, and it's kind of become this privatized thing now, it seems like in a way with like, you know, Elon's trying to get there, Bezos is running it.

• 1:16:26Theo Von?

  Do, what are your fears about, about like space? And like, do you think it's going to get gentrified? Like, I know in your book, you, you talk about how much stuff is getting left in space. Like, what are your fears about like the privatization of space?

• 1:16:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, so it's, the space debris is a whole separate issue. There's not only all the satellites, as I said earlier, Elon is now rising through his 12,000th satellite.

• 1:16:49Theo Von?

  Wait, wait, tell me about that again?

• 1:16:50Speaker 02

  Well, no, he's launched 12,000, he has 80% of all satellites orbiting the Earth were launched by SpaceX. Okay, so aliens coming to Earth and they see not only how many satellites are orbiting it, but the level of debris that's left over from destroyed satellites and paint chips and rocket boosters and things. I think that's why we haven't been visited by aliens. They're, what the hell are you doing down there? And they just move on because it's a trash heap. And it doesn't become a trash heap until it's, every trip you take, you encounter trash. You know, you go in the wilderness, you toss a candy, candy wrapper over, no one's ever going to see that again. They're not going to come arrest you.

• 1:17:33Speaker 02

  But if a thousand people do that and the candy wrapper's everywhere, you've destroyed the wilderness.

• 1:17:37Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:17:38Speaker 02

  So, so space is kind of approaching that.

• 1:17:43Theo Von?

  Really?

• 1:17:43Speaker 02

  So dude, check this out. So this is a video of debris orbiting the Earth.

• 1:17:53Theo Von?

  And This is real?

• 1:17:54Speaker 02

  Earth, yes. And NASA tracks this, this is just when NASA tracks, the, the, the military tracks even more. Earth is in the center of that. And the low Earth orbiting debris looks, is what's directly on the surface. The rest of that are, like I said, satellite, this is just the debris, not even the satellites we care about.

• 1:18:15Theo Von?

  How are we going to fix it?

• 1:18:16Speaker 02

  Just look at, we're zooming in, look at this.

• 1:18:18Theo Von?

  Nuh uh.

• 1:18:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, huh?

• 1:18:20Theo Von?

  Well, how can planes even be out there? What is this?

• 1:18:23Speaker 02

  Well, because that's orbiting in space, planes are much, much lower than that.

• 1:18:27Theo Von?

  Dude, how do you know it?

• 1:18:29Speaker 02

  How do I know what?

• 1:18:30Theo Von?

  This is real?

• 1:18:31Speaker 02

  Yes. It's as real as twins.

• 1:18:37Speaker 02

  This is this, this is the debris that we are actively tracking.

• 1:18:41Theo Von?

  Damn.

• 1:18:42Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:18:42Theo Von?

  Bruh, look, if you, and some of y'all cannot see this at home, it is.

• 1:18:46Speaker 02

  Some of your people just listen to the podcast.

• 1:18:48Theo Von?

  About half.

• 1:18:48Speaker 02

  About half. We're looking at a NASA video of all of the.

• 1:18:53Theo Von?

  This looks like a snow globe inside out.

• 1:18:55Speaker 02

  A snow globe. I love that.

• 1:18:57Theo Von?

  You have to go look at this, but do we know that this is factual, Neil? How, how do they get this information?

• 1:19:02Speaker 02

  We're tracking it. You can track the debris.

• 1:19:07Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. In fact, sometimes launch windows are affected by whether there's a hunk of debris that might collide with the thing you're trying to launch.

• 1:19:16Theo Von?

  Well, at this rate, how could they launch anything with this much debris going on?

• 1:19:20Speaker 02

  It's dangerous and you're taking a risk. Space is very empty. You're looking at this compressed onto a screen.

• 1:19:25Theo Von?

  Got it.

• 1:19:26Speaker 02

  So usually you don't hit any of it, but if this gets worse, which it will,

• 1:19:34Speaker 02

  there's something called a Kessler effect. Let me here go.

• 1:19:41Speaker 02

  The Kessler effect. It's where there's so many satellites. These are going 18,000 miles an hour, multiple times the speed of a rifle bullet. Okay?

• 1:19:52Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 1:19:52Speaker 02

  And if you're hit by one of those bits and pieces, they're small. It'll destroy your, your, you can, you break into pieces if you're another satellite. So one piece can break a satellite into, let's say 10 pieces.

• 1:20:06Theo Von?

  So they're hitting each other all the time?

• 1:20:07Speaker 02

  Well, not yet. At the Kessler effect is, there's a threshold. Above which if a single satellite gets destroyed, there are enough other satellites ready to be destroyed by its debris that it systematically destroys 100% of the satellites in orbit. That's called the Kessler effect and you don't want to ever get near that.

• 1:20:30Theo Von?

  Really?

• 1:20:30Speaker 02

  Yes. In fact, the movie, the movie.

• 1:20:34Theo Von?

  Armageddon?

• 1:20:35Speaker 02

  No, Gravity was basically the Kessler effect. Do you remember that? Where the debris just started taking everything out.

• 1:20:41Theo Von?

  Number of rocket launches since the start of the space age in 1957, about seven.

• 1:20:45Speaker 02

  7,300.

• 1:20:46Theo Von?

  7,320. Number of satellites these rocket launches have placed into Earth orbit, 27,490.

• 1:20:54Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:20:56Theo Von?

  Number of these still in space, 18,840.

• 1:20:59Speaker 02

  Of those 18,000, about 12 to 14,000 are SpaceX.

• 1:21:05Theo Von?

  Wow. And about 2,500 of those or 2,800 of those are not even functioning anymore, but they are still out.

• 1:21:11Speaker 02

  Now, here's the next one. Space objects regularly tracked and maintained in their catalog. 46,000. Okay?

• 1:21:23Theo Von?

  Wow. And then this is while total mass of all space objects in Earth's orbit.

• 1:21:28Speaker 02

  17,000 tons.

• 1:21:30Theo Von?

  God.

• 1:21:30Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:21:31Theo Von?

  I'm not going out there. I'm not going out there.

• 1:21:33Speaker 02

  Stay here on Earth. Oh, yeah.

• 1:21:36Theo Von?

  Unless it gets weird, man.

• 1:21:39Speaker 02

  Isn't it already weird? What is your threshold for weird if it hasn't gotten weird enough for you yet?

• 1:21:43Theo Von?

  We're there.

• 1:21:45Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:21:46Theo Von?

  We're, I think we're even past there. Um, yeah. Do you start to think about that? Like, what do you think's going on? What do you think that these elites are trying to do? Cause obviously going into space is Elon's big thing, right? Like, is it just him show, like having a blast or cause he has unlimited ideas? Like, it's like a kid who can.

• 1:22:04Speaker 02

  He's got the money.

• 1:22:05Theo Von?

  Right. He can do whatever he wants. Like, or do you think we will need colonization? Like, do you think there's something coming that they're not letting the rest of us know about?

• 1:22:13Speaker 02

  I'm not authorized to comment.

• 1:22:16Theo Von?

  If you make it in and I don't, dude.

• 1:22:18Speaker 02

  I said I'm taking you with me. Didn't I already say that?

• 1:22:21Theo Von?

  My boy.

• 1:22:22Speaker 02

  You're, you're my first call. Okay.

• 1:22:24Theo Von?

  I'm coming.

• 1:22:26Theo Von?

  Thank you, dude. Thank you, bro. And I'm gonna hold you to that.

• 1:22:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, no.

• 1:22:29Theo Von?

  I will be there. Banging on the window. Hey, Neil.

• 1:22:36Speaker 02

  I got you on tape saying.

• 1:22:39Theo Von?

  Didn't they have that space treaty? What was?

• 1:22:41Speaker 02

  Well, there's the original outer space treaty from 1967.

• 1:22:44Theo Von?

  Yeah. What was that about?

• 1:22:45Speaker 02

  And that was peaceful cooperation in space.

• 1:22:49Theo Von?

  Amongst different countries, right?

• 1:22:51Speaker 02

  All the space, cause it came out 1967. We're about to land on the moon. We're trying to beat Russia and it says, we're all going into space and that's the next frontier. We should do it together peacefully. Now here's my rebuttal to that.

• 1:23:03Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 1:23:04Speaker 02

  Okay. If you can go into space with all these countries and be peaceful and kind to one another, then don't go ahead and do that on Earth. What, what do you mean? You can't do that on Earth, but a treaty is going to make us do that in space?

• 1:23:22Theo Von?

  I know.

• 1:23:23Speaker 02

  Show me that you can do it on Earth. Then I'll have evidence that this will work in space. Cause I don't believe you.

• 1:23:28Theo Von?

  Type shit.

• 1:23:29Speaker 02

  I don't believe you for a minute.

• 1:23:31Theo Von?

  Space don't want us, dude. If this is how we're acting.

• 1:23:33Speaker 02

  Well, plus it's very hostile to human physiology.

• 1:23:37Theo Von?

  Space is.

• 1:23:38Speaker 02

  Space.

• 1:23:39Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:39Speaker 02

  Yeah. There, there are a hundred ways you can die. People say, oh, going to Mars, that's like Columbus going to the new world. No, it's not. You know why? Cause when Columbus came to the new world,

• 1:23:50Speaker 02

  the trees where he landed are made of wood, just like the trees in Spain where he built his ship. So he can repair his ship. Oh, what else? He steps off the ship. He can breathe the air. He steps off the ship. There are other human beings there to greet him and to feed him.

• 1:24:08Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:09Speaker 02

  On Mars, no such luxuries. If you crash on Mars, you dead.

• 1:24:14Theo Von?

  Dang.

• 1:24:14Speaker 02

  If you, something breaks on your ship, you dead. Unless you have like a 3D printer. Okay?

• 1:24:19Theo Von?

  And what? You could just print you up a little something?

• 1:24:20Speaker 02

  Yeah. Print up a nut or a bolt or something, you know?

• 1:24:23Theo Von?

  Ooh, that's a good idea to bring.

• 1:24:24Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:24:24Theo Von?

  From now on, when people say, what are you bringing to an island?

• 1:24:29Theo Von?

  I got an idea.

• 1:24:29Speaker 02

  So you, what you do is you preload the Martian surface with these things you might need.

• 1:24:34Theo Von?

  Understood. The outer space treaty, these are the rules. This is hilarious. No weapons of mass destruction are allowed in space. Right?

• 1:24:43Speaker 02

  No ownership.

• 1:24:44Theo Von?

  Yeah. No ownership. No nation can claim sovereignty or ownership of outer space, the moon or other planets. Peaceful use. Celestial bodies must be used only for peaceful goals. Military base as, and weapons are banned there. Space is open for exploration and used by every country equally.

• 1:25:02Speaker 02

  Right. So there's a later version of this called the Artemis Accords. Where in the Artemis Accords, we wrote it, it's the same as this.

• 1:25:12Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 1:25:13Speaker 02

  It's the, it's the same, but it allows you to maybe make a business case for mining an asteroid.

• 1:25:22Theo Von?

  Nuh-uh.

• 1:25:22Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:25:23Theo Von?

  The Artemis Accords?

• 1:25:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, Artemis Accords.

• 1:25:25Theo Von?

  A non-binding set of principles established by NASA and the US Department of State in 2020 to guide civil space exploration and cooperation on the moon, Mars and other celestial bodies.

• 1:25:35Speaker 02

  So it leaves open business cases. Okay. Now, here's the thing. I've something a hundred something odd countries have signed it. You know who hasn't signed it? Russia, China, North Korea and Venezuela.

• 1:25:49Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 1:25:49Speaker 02

  So that's the treaty in progress right now. India's not spacefaring. They have a rover on, on the moon.

• 1:25:54Theo Von?

  Oh, they do? I bet it's picking up other people and driving them somewhere.

• 1:26:01Theo Von?

  Is that crazy, dude? I'm just joking, India.

• 1:26:05Speaker 02

  Can you still tell jokes like that?

• 1:26:06Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:26:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, you can. Okay.

• 1:26:08Theo Von?

  And I'm just joking.

• 1:26:09Speaker 02

  This side of the tracks, you can tell those jokes.

• 1:26:10Theo Von?

  And my Indian friends will love that joke.

• 1:26:12Speaker 02

  Okay, that's.

• 1:26:13Theo Von?

  Cause I love them.

• 1:26:14Speaker 02

  Yeah. Okay. So here's something that.

• 1:26:18Theo Von?

  That's wild though.

• 1:26:19Speaker 02

  Here was such a dick move that I only thought Americans would have done, but the Indians did it and I was just so sad. Okay? Cause you know, India and Pakistan have got this thing.

• 1:26:30Theo Von?

  Right. They don't get along together.

• 1:26:31Speaker 02

  They don't get along. They're right there. They don't get along. Okay.

• 1:26:33Theo Von?

  Be buddies.

• 1:26:34Speaker 02

  Okay. Watch.

• 1:26:37Speaker 02

  India, on their rover, on the rover tracks, they imprinted their flag with the Indian Space Research Organization, ISRO. They have a little logo. Their flag and that logo is on the tracks of the rover. So as the rover moves along this, the, the, the, the surface of the moon, the Indian flag gets repeated there. And it'll stay there for a thousand years because there's no weather, there's no wind, nothing's going to erode it. Now here's the dick move. You ready? Someone on social media, I can't blame the whole country for this. Some dick on social media.

• 1:27:18Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:19Speaker 02

  Said Pakistan.

• 1:27:24Speaker 02

  Has the moon on its flag because it's got the, the moon and the star Islamic symbol. Whereas India has its flag on the moon. Really? Did you need to do that? You're already ahead of them in all these ways and you gotta like cachet, really?

• 1:27:44Theo Von?

  That's a cheap dig.

• 1:27:45Speaker 02

  That's a cheap dig. I thought it was punching down.

• 1:27:47Theo Von?

  Yeah. And also India.

• 1:27:48Speaker 02

  It was clever.

• 1:27:49Theo Von?

  Yeah, I agree.

• 1:27:50Speaker 02

  It was a clever joke, but it was like.

• 1:27:53Theo Von?

  But it's like you are the meditation guys like in your.

• 1:27:56Speaker 02

  Good point.

• 1:27:57Theo Von?

  You know?

• 1:27:58Speaker 02

  Good point. You're the ones that should supposed to be cool and copasthetic.

• 1:28:01Theo Von?

  But at least they're not attacking other people with missiles. So I think I would take the first. You know what I'm saying?

• 1:28:07Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:28:08Theo Von?

  I would take that over.

• 1:28:09Speaker 02

  But it's still not conducive to peaceful cooperation in space.

• 1:28:13Theo Von?

  Well, I'll say this, I does, it does break the outer space treaty.

• 1:28:19Speaker 02

  Don't be a dick in space.

• 1:28:21Theo Von?

  I think that's kind of what the treaty said.

• 1:28:23Speaker 02

  It does.

• 1:28:24Theo Von?

  And what was that second one that allowed the business to Artemis Accord? Can you just show me that one more time?

• 1:28:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's worded in a, the way I should say it, it's worded in a way that does not preclude business interests.

• 1:28:35Theo Von?

  Yeah, that's what I wanted to just read.

• 1:28:37Speaker 02

  So there it goes. And look at all the countries that have signed it.

• 1:28:41Speaker 02

  There it is. That's huge.

• 1:28:42Theo Von?

  Half these countries never getting into space.

• 1:28:45Speaker 02

  No, but they might. It's, would you let them be ambitious dude?

• 1:28:49Theo Von?

  You're right.

• 1:28:49Speaker 02

  Give them, let, give them a dream.

• 1:28:51Theo Von?

  You're right.

• 1:28:52Speaker 02

  Well, go back to, go back to the, if you go back to the table of contents, registration of space objects, scientific data, space heritage, space resources. Space resources. How's that for a code word? Let's go to page four. Utilization that can benefit human kind by running critical support for safe and sustainable operations. The extraction and utilization of space resources. Recovery from moon, Mars, comets, asteroids should be executed in a manner that complies with the treaty. Safe, sustainable activities. They affirm that the extraction of resources do not inherently constitute national appropriation. See, it's, it's very loosey goosey there.

• 1:29:37Speaker 02

  Uh, but it, it opens the door because we have a lot of space enterprise ready to, space industry ready to just jump, jump on all.

• 1:29:45Theo Von?

  Do we have that?

• 1:29:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:29:47Theo Von?

  I mean, is there a lot of things that are like, kind of like in the hop or that if we.

• 1:29:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. When we land, when Artemis lands on the moon, it'll be supported by three or four or five different, large space industry company, space industrial complex, right?

• 1:30:02Theo Von?

  So we talked about that last time, didn't we?

• 1:30:04Speaker 02

  Where was it?

• 1:30:04Theo Von?

  Oh yeah. No, yeah. We talked about generational, uh.

• 1:30:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, that, that interesting subject because if the destination is too far and it takes longer than your lifetime, then you just, they have what's called generational ships in science fiction.

• 1:30:17Theo Von?

  We talked about them last time we were on.

• 1:30:18Speaker 02

  Okay. Yeah.

• 1:30:19Theo Von?

  And you thought maybe you weren't really sure about it. Do you?

• 1:30:21Speaker 02

  I don't want to be born on a ship that's predestined to go somewhere with, because someone three generations before me mandated that.

• 1:30:29Theo Von?

  But what if we need you?

• 1:30:32Speaker 02

  When we land, we need me when I.

• 1:30:34Theo Von?

  What if we need you? What if you're out there for a purpose? Cause somebody's going to be born on a ship in space and have to save us.

• 1:30:41Speaker 02

  You think that'll be how that goes? That's a good science fiction story, right? Someone, so they are the chosen one. They are the savior. They're the one. They're Neo in the matrix.

• 1:30:53Theo Von?

  It's gotta happen.

• 1:30:54Speaker 02

  Ooh.

• 1:30:54Theo Von?

  Don't you think?

• 1:30:55Speaker 02

  That's a modern day Jesus. Jesus was the savior.

• 1:30:58Theo Von?

  You know, the story of a hero always repeats itself. It feels like, and it feels like we, we need one.

• 1:31:02Speaker 02

  A savior. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, all these private companies are participating and they'll each do what they do best. And you bring it all together and you get the best of private enterprise, which runs efficiently. And, uh, they'll bring the cost down. So.

• 1:31:18Theo Von?

  But if they have a damn Jenny's ice cream on the moon or whatever, I'm gonna fuck.

• 1:31:22Speaker 02

  What's, why you got a problem with that?

• 1:31:23Theo Von?

  I don't know. In our town where I live at, they took a lot of the, um, like mom and pop stuff and they put in the bigger stuff. It's okay.

• 1:31:30Speaker 02

  Oh, oh, you want, okay. Well, if it's a frontier, maybe mom and pops will be the ones who do it.

• 1:31:36Theo Von?

  Yeah, you're right. That's a good point.

• 1:31:37Speaker 02

  That's how it usually starts that way.

• 1:31:39Theo Von?

  That's true. Right?

• 1:31:39Speaker 02

  Right. Cause it's not a big enough industry yet for the big companies to buy everybody out.

• 1:31:44Theo Von?

  That's true.

• 1:31:45Speaker 02

  And I joke about this, you know, on the moon, if they have, they want to have a colony on the moon and have restaurants.

• 1:31:49Theo Von?

  Hmm.

• 1:31:50Speaker 02

  Right? But you have to cook a little differently because the gravity is different and the air is, you know, and.

• 1:31:55Theo Von?

  Yeah. You have that whole chapter on gravity and, uh.

• 1:31:57Speaker 02

  Yes, yes. A whole thing. A whole thing. But, but here's, here's my bad dad joke. Okay? Uh, but you have to promise to laugh.

• 1:32:04Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 1:32:06Speaker 02

  That wasn't very confident. That was like, really?

• 1:32:09Theo Von?

  No, I got you.

• 1:32:10Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:32:11Theo Von?

  I got you, son.

• 1:32:12Speaker 02

  On this one?

• 1:32:12Theo Von?

  Yes, sir.

• 1:32:13Speaker 02

  So restaurants on the moon would surely have an interesting menu. They just won't have any atmosphere.

• 1:32:21Speaker 02

  Is that an authentic laugh?

• 1:32:23Theo Von?

  I thought it was pretty good. Yeah. I'll tell that to someone.

• 1:32:26Speaker 02

  Okay. Restaurant with no atmosphere.

• 1:32:28Theo Von?

  Yeah. I'll tell that to someone.

• 1:32:30Speaker 02

  So, uh, a lot of what Elon Musk, you know, people, you know, he's, sometimes he goes off the rails and off the chain, but.

• 1:32:39Theo Von?

  I think he literally goes off the rails sometimes.

• 1:32:41Speaker 02

  What he has done it through his efforts is reduce the cost of access to space. And that enables whole industries to jump in and play.

• 1:32:50Theo Von?

  How has he done that?

• 1:32:52Speaker 02

  Well, so for one, he's reusing his rockets. Okay? He has boosters that go up and there's, he leaves a little bit of extra fuel in the booster. And then the computers take over and the boosters fall back to earth and they land on pads.

• 1:33:05Theo Von?

  Damn, they gonna hit a shrimp boat down there.

• 1:33:09Speaker 02

  Well, actually, so depending on the, the trajectory, they'll either come all the way back to Cape Canaveral. Or they have a landing pad out in the ocean and they'll land on the.

• 1:33:19Theo Von?

  Oh, they gonna miss that bit. They gonna miss that bit, man.

• 1:33:22Speaker 02

  That'll be bad.

• 1:33:23Theo Von?

  Yeah, but I'm telling you, how many shrimp boats are going to be out there suddenly? How many new LLCs are going to be forming in Louisiana? People waiting.

• 1:33:30Speaker 02

  They want to be hit by, they want, no, I don't know.

• 1:33:32Theo Von?

  Waiting for that booster to hit them, bro. Waiting for that rocket, bro.

• 1:33:37Speaker 02

  So it's gorgeous. It comes down and then the legs come out and then it lands, it sticks in the landing.

• 1:33:41Theo Von?

  Oh, Larry got hit by that rocket, huh? Larry got hit by that rocket.

• 1:33:48Speaker 02

  So think about it. If, if you flew to Europe and every time you did that, they pushed the plane off a cliff and rolled out a new one. Your ticket would be very expensive.

• 1:33:57Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:33:58Speaker 02

  But they reuse the planes. And if you reuse the rockets, that, that's one way to cut it down. Among others that they're working on. So.

• 1:34:05Theo Von?

  Um, we talked about, we were, we mentioned gravity a second ago. Is gravity changing at all? Like over time?

• 1:34:10Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:34:10Theo Von?

  At all?

• 1:34:11Speaker 02

  Well, if you go to a mountaintop, you will weigh less on the mountain than at sea level.

• 1:34:15Theo Von?

  Oh, really?

• 1:34:15Speaker 02

  Yeah. Cause you're farther away from the center of the earth. But if you're just sitting here, gravity's not changing.

• 1:34:19Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 1:34:20Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:34:21Theo Von?

  Um, all right, let's get into this. Let's, let's chat a little bit more. Um, and I do want to say too, I know the holidays are kind of coming up. They're not here yet, but, uh, I think your book's a good holiday gift.

• 1:34:31Speaker 02

  Thank you for saying that.

• 1:34:32Theo Von?

  I hadn't thought about that.

• 1:34:33Speaker 02

  Yeah. Just because it's so beautiful.

• 1:34:35Theo Von?

  Yeah. It's nice. It's like a nice, it's like something you can get. You could tap in at any moment.

• 1:34:40Speaker 02

  And you'd gift it and it's, you know, most coffee table books, you open it as a pretty picture. You might read the caption, you close it. This one, you open it and it pulls you in. I think, I mean, I wrote it. So should I be saying that? I don't know.

• 1:34:53Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:53Speaker 02

  But every next fact, because it's been startalkified, the fact has been brought to life. With another way to think about that information, then it, it means more to you. And there's a whole chapter on stuff that people hope they would never have seen again. The whole chapter on the periodic table of elements.

• 1:35:14Theo Von?

  Hmm.

• 1:35:15Speaker 02

  So, so for example, okay. Uh, do you know the symbol for lead on the periodic table? Do you know what that is?

• 1:35:25Theo Von?

  Na.

• 1:35:26Speaker 02

  That's sodium.

• 1:35:27Theo Von?

  Damn. White lead, they call it.

• 1:35:31Speaker 02

  Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, lead PB.

• 1:35:35Theo Von?

  PB.

• 1:35:35Speaker 02

  PB. Well, PB, where do you get that? How you get that from lead? Well, PB is plumbum, which is lead in Latin. Plumbum. Plumber. Plumbers used to work in lead. All pipes used to be lead. That's how plumbers get their name. Plum. PB on the periodic table. That's, there you go. I got another one. There's an element we discovered on the sun before we discovered it here on earth.

• 1:36:08Theo Von?

  I think it's called.

• 1:36:11Theo Von?

  Uh, what is it?

• 1:36:15Speaker 02

  We, uh, we named it after the Greek sun god.

• 1:36:21Theo Von?

  Radon.

• 1:36:23Speaker 02

  Helios is the Greek sun god and that element is helium. There it is.

• 1:36:31Theo Von?

  Helium's good.

• 1:36:32Speaker 02

  Yeah. Radon, uh, that was discovered by Marie Curie, first radioactive element. She died of cancer. It was sad.

• 1:36:39Theo Von?

  She didn't discover mercury?

• 1:36:41Speaker 02

  No, mercury's been around forever.

• 1:36:42Theo Von?

  You'd think she would have.

• 1:36:44Speaker 02

  Why?

• 1:36:45Theo Von?

  Marie Curie?

• 1:36:49Theo Von?

  Maybe not.

• 1:36:50Speaker 02

  Should I have to laugh at that joke?

• 1:36:51Theo Von?

  Maybe not. Maybe I'm off.

• 1:36:54Speaker 02

  Okay. Okay, you laughed at my joke, I'll laugh at that one.

• 1:36:57Theo Von?

  Okay, that's fair.

• 1:36:58Speaker 02

  Okay, then we cut to me. That was good. I see what you did there.

• 1:37:02Theo Von?

  Okay, we're even, dude. Let's talk about just a couple more like little things and then I wanna, I wanna get a few more things about your book and then we'll get you on your way. And thanks so much for hanging out, Neil.

• 1:37:12Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:37:12Theo Von?

  I appreciate it. But I'm saying, I think it's a good holiday gift. And it's not a lot of pressure. Some books you pick it up, it's a ton of pressure, like, but this is like-

• 1:37:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's good. And personally, I'm not a big reader. If someone hands me a, you know, 500-page book, you know, when do you start it? When do you stop? What? And we're all busy-

• 1:37:28Theo Von?

  Where do you hide it?

• 1:37:29Speaker 02

  No, but this is not that. It's, it's biscuits of information that just, just rise up. And then you can't not reach for it.

• 1:37:39Theo Von?

  It's galactic biscuits, man. Starbohydrates. Okay, that's bad.

• 1:37:43Speaker 02

  That's a good one. No, that's good.

• 1:37:44Theo Von?

  Oh damn, well, we're just-

• 1:37:46Speaker 02

  Starbohydrates?

• 1:37:47Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:47Speaker 02

  Good, good one.

• 1:37:48Theo Von?

  Thanks, thanks. What are, what are you gonna be for Halloween? Let's get into that.

• 1:37:52Speaker 02

  I was never a Halloween person.

• 1:37:54Theo Von?

  Come on, Neil.

• 1:37:55Speaker 02

  Because, you know why? Once I learned why people dress up, I said, that's why I don't dress up.

• 1:38:03Theo Von?

  Why? Do you think it's sacrilegious kinda?

• 1:38:04Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, no. People dress up because it's the one day where they can be something in their fantasies. Okay? And I never had fantasies. I never had, I, I was a very literal kid.

• 1:38:19Theo Von?

  You were just, just a reality baby?

• 1:38:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was completely reality-based. And so, to dress up like something and pretend to be that, I was just myself. I didn't need to pretend. So I was, I was a literal kid. And it was, I was much later before I would-

• 1:38:34Theo Von?

  Really?

• 1:38:35Speaker 02

  Appreciate what it was, what it is to be fully human, which is you have feelings, emotions, you cry, you-

• 1:38:43Theo Von?

  That came later in life for you?

• 1:38:44Speaker 02

  Later in life. Later in life.

• 1:38:46Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 1:38:47Speaker 02

  In my life, I have never, we used to have telephones with an sets. I've never slammed down the handset. That's an emotion that I've never, I've never slammed a door out of anger. I just never had that. Which is weird, because I used to wrestle. I spent eight, I was captain of my high school wrestling team, so, but it was, I, if someone beat me, it was like, good. Now I know I need to get better. It wasn't, I'm angry, let me, no, I'd never had emotions like that. So, I'm, I'm enchanted by Halloween, but I'd never had the urge to dress up. Now, you can say, if I did dress up, what would it be? I'll tell you.

• 1:39:24Theo Von?

  That's fair.

• 1:39:25Speaker 02

  I'll tell you. I would be a nerd savior man. Okay? I don't have, I don't have a word for it. Because in high school, because like I said, I used to wrestle. I was 190 pounds in high school, captain and undefeated. But I went to a geeky high school. Everybody's a geek. And there's a high school across the way that would take our lunch money every time, okay? And I wanted to fight against that. So, I had this fantasy that first I could fly, and that if there was a geek in trouble, they'd beam like digits of pi on the sky. And the more digits of pi, the more serious the situation was.

• 1:40:07Speaker 02

  And I see it in the sky, and I fly, and it come down, and, you know, the, the kid would be wedgie'd or something on the book. Or, you know, something that cool kids did to geeky kids.

• 1:40:20Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:21Speaker 02

  And I would just pummel the shit out of them.

• 1:40:23Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:23Speaker 02

  And I'd say, and I'd say, go forth in freedom. But I'm a geek too, so I'm a geek protector.

• 1:40:29Theo Von?

  But you a balls geek.

• 1:40:30Speaker 02

  Yes, I, I could, I was a kick-ass geek protector.

• 1:40:34Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:34Speaker 02

  And to this day, if I see geeks getting, you know, abused in the street, or because they're not as cool, they're not dressed as I, I, I will intervene. And, because I know I can kick some ass if I have to. So, plus I used to study martial arts, more as a curiosity thing, but, and I wanted to be Bruce Lee, you know?

• 1:40:55Speaker 02

  Not for Halloween, but-

• 1:40:57Theo Von?

  You'd have been good at it.

• 1:40:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, so, um, the moral to that for me is just, I, I don't like seeing people harmed or abused just for being who they are.

• 1:41:11Theo Von?

  Amen. Yeah, I agree with you, right, right on that.

• 1:41:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:14Theo Von?

  It's not good.

• 1:41:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's just-

• 1:41:16Theo Von?

  It's, well, what do I mean it's not good? Of course it's not. But yeah, I agree with you that. Yeah, there's something about like-

• 1:41:22Speaker 02

  They didn't do anything to you? They didn't-

• 1:41:25Theo Von?

  And they're already the underdog.

• 1:41:26Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 1:41:27Theo Von?

  Sometime.

• 1:41:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, right. Now, you know, a lot of that changed in my life. I'm a little older than you.

• 1:41:31Theo Von?

  A lot of it's changed in our life.

• 1:41:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, yes it has, because the, the bullies learned that the geeks know how to program their computer.

• 1:41:40Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:40Speaker 02

  I could help them with the math homework. And, and now the world is run by geeks.

• 1:41:44Theo Von?

  Run by geeks.

• 1:41:45Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:41:46Theo Von?

  Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to just, I'm-

• 1:41:48Speaker 02

  In other words, the most powerful people in the world are geeks. On the spectrum, half of them.

• 1:41:51Theo Von?

  Yeah, I think half of them are on the spectrum.

• 1:41:52Speaker 02

  Yes, easily.

• 1:41:53Theo Von?

  Do you believe that?

• 1:41:54Speaker 02

  One out of six, I, I'm not clinically authorized to make this diagnosis, but based on being around my colleagues my whole life, I would say one in six, one in five is on the spectrum in some way. Perfectly happy in the lab. Eye contact is a little difficult.

• 1:42:12Theo Von?

  But do you think that that's why we're starting, like, we create more stuff that, like, is tech, but there's not of, that, that we're losing the connection because some-

• 1:42:20Speaker 02

  Oh, interesting point, because they, they're very focused and they can build stuff.

• 1:42:24Theo Von?

  But they sometimes lack an element of being able to read certain like-

• 1:42:28Speaker 02

  That's deep, and I, I'd have to do the research to conclude that, but let me restate what I think you just said.

• 1:42:34Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 1:42:34Speaker 02

  If geeks on the spectrum are inventing the next wave of technology, should we be surprised that that next wave of technology has no understanding or sensitivity to the human element? The interpersonal human element.

• 1:42:50Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:42:50Speaker 02

  Because that wasn't in the people who invented it in the first place.

• 1:42:53Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:54Speaker 02

  That's, that's deep. I wonder if that's true.

• 1:43:00Theo Von?

  Because here we are, and we're letting these guys do some stuff.

• 1:43:04Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:43:04Theo Von?

  And we're all, it's hurting.

• 1:43:06Speaker 02

  It's, it's hurting, and, and they, they didn't want it to hurt on purpose.

• 1:43:09Theo Von?

  No.

• 1:43:10Speaker 02

  They just didn't have the need for themselves.

• 1:43:12Theo Von?

  Right, they didn't understand.

• 1:43:13Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:43:13Theo Von?

  So why would they incorporate it?

• 1:43:14Speaker 02

  Right, why would they even know that you would become so addicted to your social media and how you look to other people? What's it called? The, your, your self-image? It's, you know, that you enter a depressed state because you're not as beautiful as other people who are online curating their, their presence.

• 1:43:37Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:43:37Speaker 02

  You don't even know that, that they're not even real.

• 1:43:41Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:41Speaker 02

  Or not, they're not authentic, I should say.

• 1:43:43Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:44Speaker 02

  So-

• 1:43:44Theo Von?

  The creators don't understand that because they don't have that software.

• 1:43:46Speaker 02

  Maybe that's intriguing. I'd be curious to see what research says about that.

• 1:43:51Theo Von?

  And I'm not saying all people that are on the spectrum.

• 1:43:53Speaker 02

  No, no, but it's a hypothesis worth testing.

• 1:43:55Theo Von?

  Ooh, I like that. Dude, now we're doing something together. That's exciting. Yeah, I was trying to think of some good, what is this one right here?

• 1:44:03Speaker 02

  Oh, pie in the sky. There you, that's a, that would be a serious-

• 1:44:07Theo Von?

  Bro, you look tough, Neil.

• 1:44:09Speaker 02

  Oh, I didn't create that. That's somebody, I don't know who did that.

• 1:44:12Theo Von?

  But still, that looks good. What about, uh, Michael?

• 1:44:14Speaker 02

  We are now looking at AI rendered version of me with a pie superhero outfit with a cape, stars on it, and there must be 500 digits of pi in the sky.

• 1:44:25Theo Von?

  That'd be tough.

• 1:44:26Speaker 02

  That means the world is about to end.

• 1:44:28Theo Von?

  And I think that's, uh, current. What about a Halloween costume, Mike DeGrasse Tyson? See if you can put that in AI, see what happens in there. Well, the thing about science is, you know?

• 1:44:42Speaker 02

  And then is the supermodel Tyson Beckford.

• 1:44:44Theo Von?

  Ooh, here you go.

• 1:44:45Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:44:46Theo Von?

  Oh, let's go.

• 1:44:49Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:44:49Theo Von?

  Dude, and let me say-

• 1:44:50Speaker 02

  What's it say on my arm there?

• 1:44:53Theo Von?

  Frick or knock out.

• 1:44:57Theo Von?

  What about, uh, Tyson Chicken Nugget? That would be good if he was a little, if he was a little nugget.

• 1:45:02Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:45:03Theo Von?

  That'd be good. You'd eat yourself too, probably. You know, who wouldn't?

• 1:45:07Speaker 02

  That works until you die. Yes, okay.

• 1:45:09Theo Von?

  I don't know, that's true. But hey, if you're starving, that'd be a risky moment, wouldn't it be? That'd be a risky moment. Aw, that's cute, Neil. You do not look happy about it.

• 1:45:19Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:45:20Theo Von?

  But you would definitely probably have a little bit of yourself.

• 1:45:23Speaker 02

  Chicken tender.

• 1:45:24Theo Von?

  Ooh, chicken tender's good.

• 1:45:26Speaker 02

  Well, let me see with Tyson Beckford, because he's a supermodel.

• 1:45:29Theo Von?

  Yeah, let's do, let's at least-

• 1:45:30Speaker 02

  See if I look hot.

• 1:45:31Theo Von?

  At the very least, man.

• 1:45:32Speaker 02

  See if I could look hot with Tyson Beckford.

• 1:45:34Theo Von?

  Or Neil DeGrassi Tyson too. Put that in there. That's a, um-

• 1:45:38Speaker 02

  You don't mean DeGrassi High?

• 1:45:40Theo Von?

  Yeah, remember that?

• 1:45:41Speaker 02

  That'd be weird. How are they gonna, they can't, they can't mash that. That doesn't-

• 1:45:45Theo Von?

  Neil, it's science.

• 1:45:49Theo Von?

  There you go.

• 1:45:50Speaker 02

  Why am I in a wheelchair?

• 1:45:52Theo Von?

  Because that character was in a wheelchair, Drake's character.

• 1:45:56Speaker 02

  But Tyson Beckford?

• 1:45:57Theo Von?

  No, no, this is DeGrassi, Neil DeGrassi.

• 1:45:59Speaker 02

  Oh, DeGrassi. Oh, oh, oh, got you, got you.

• 1:46:00Theo Von?

  Neil DeGrassi High.

• 1:46:01Speaker 02

  You stepped ahead of me there.

• 1:46:02Theo Von?

  Yeah, this was Neil DeGrassi High.

• 1:46:03Speaker 02

  Oh, that looks innocent enough, doesn't it?

• 1:46:04Theo Von?

  Yeah, it looks good.

• 1:46:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:46:05Theo Von?

  Oh, let's go.

• 1:46:09Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:46:09Theo Von?

  Let's go.

• 1:46:11Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:46:12Theo Von?

  Dude, that's awesome, man. Well, look, there you go. Eat, look, I'll say this. You got some great costumes that come, that just because you exist, some cool, new universes can show up in the world.

• 1:46:23Speaker 02

  I officially give you my permission to post these that you just created.

• 1:46:27Theo Von?

  Okay, thank you.

• 1:46:28Speaker 02

  Of me in there.

• 1:46:29Theo Von?

  Okay, thank you.

• 1:46:30Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:46:32Speaker 02

  Oh, there he goes. Yeah, that was Drake. I forgot that was Drake.

• 1:46:34Theo Von?

  Yeah, that was him, man.

• 1:46:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:46:36Theo Von?

  He's talented.

• 1:46:38Theo Von?

  Let me see, where can we, uh-

• 1:46:40Speaker 02

  Did you ever want to be abducted by aliens? Do you fear them, or do you?

• 1:46:48Theo Von?

  I more than ever would like them to come get me.

• 1:46:54Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:46:55Theo Von?

  Yeah, and that's the truth, I think. And I don't mean that in any like I'm scared for my life way or anything like that.

• 1:46:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, but so my same sentiment is maybe for a different reason. I, I want to be abducted. Ever since I've been, ever since I was 10 years old, I wanted to be abducted, not because I wanted to leave Earth. But that I wanted to see what the rest of the universe was like. And if they could abduct me, they should clearly have access to the universe in ways that I don't. So it was because I've been, I was a curious, cosmically curious kid.

• 1:47:26Theo Von?

  Wow, that's pretty cool, man. Did you ever feel like they might not abduct you because of your skin color?

• 1:47:31Speaker 02

  Never, never. They're aliens, for goodness sake.

• 1:47:35Theo Von?

  I didn't mean that in a bad way.

• 1:47:36Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, I had no such thoughts because.

• 1:47:39Theo Von?

  Cause I've had black friends that are like aliens don't abduct us and this type of shit.

• 1:47:43Speaker 02

  Oh, there was the, the Key and Peele skit.

• 1:47:46Theo Von?

  Huh?

• 1:47:46Speaker 02

  You know, the Key and Peele skit? This was hilarious. It's a suburb, suburbia, right?

• 1:47:51Theo Von?

  It's so funny.

• 1:47:52Speaker 02

  And, and there's zombies coming up the street and

• 1:47:59Speaker 02

  and they turn to this home where black people live and it goes around back and they're barbecuing. And then the zombie just like recoils and it goes back to the street and chases the white people. So these are like racist zombies.

• 1:48:14Speaker 02

  It's, it's a whole skit. It's an entire skit. And so all the black people just sell, just hanging out on lawn chairs. And the white people are just going crazy. So I had no such thoughts that alien would somehow see me as a black human, just as a human. But I knew, because I'm old enough to remember, the Apollo program, the Mercury seven astronauts and all these guys. None of them look like me in the slightest. Not only that, on Broadway was the number one hit musical Hair.

• 1:48:47Speaker 02

  And none of these guys had hair longer than an inch, an inch on their head, all these crew cuts. So I was interested in space, not because of the Apollo program. Cause it looked like there was nothing in there for me.

• 1:48:59Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 1:48:59Speaker 02

  And it was more pure curiosity with the universe and me and the aliens will take it.

• 1:49:05Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 1:49:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:49:07Theo Von?

  If you got in there, right? Say they come and get you. Okay, they're doing a special, right? And they want to get different types of folks up there, you know, the whites aren't cutting it anymore.

• 1:49:19Speaker 02

  Well, no, just think about it. Ask yourself this, okay? When you look at pigeons,

• 1:49:27Speaker 02

  are you grouping them into kinds of pigeons? No, you're not because they're just pigeons to you. But if you really did it, some surface patterns of their feathers are different, okay? And when you look at an alligator, do you even know who's a female and who's a male alligator? No.

• 1:49:45Theo Von?

  No.

• 1:49:46Speaker 02

  You don't, and do you know what the pat, you don't even care because you are so different from the alligator. You're not focused on how alligators different from each other. You're focused on the fact that it's a fricking alligator.

• 1:49:58Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:59Speaker 02

  So if you're an octopus

• 1:50:03Speaker 02

  and you look at humans, are you saying, oh, this human has a different color skin than this human? No, you're a creature that swims in the ocean with eight legs, okay? All you're gonna see are these humanoid things that have a head, only four limbs and not eight. Okay, and you're living in the air, not in the water. That will preoccupy your awareness of them. If humanoid aliens came, which is all Hollywood can think of creating, the octopus will not distinguish between us and them.

• 1:50:38Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:39Speaker 02

  Because they always have two eyes, a nose, a mouth, a head, shoulders, neck, arms, legs, torso, feet, arms, hands and fingers.

• 1:50:46Theo Von?

  That's it.

• 1:50:47Speaker 02

  That's what we, do you know, do you realize that all life on Earth has common DNA? And that bananas have 25% identical genes to human beings.

• 1:51:01Theo Von?

  Uh-uh.

• 1:51:03Speaker 02

  And because of that, if you get an alien from another planet that has no DNA at all, or has DNA, but none of it is in common with us, it should look at least as different from humans as bananas and humans look from each other. And all Hollywood depictions are they're walking, they're talking and walking, coming down.

• 1:51:23Theo Von?

  Whistling?

• 1:51:25Speaker 02

  You know, so, so I had no such thoughts that aliens will notice my skin color. And I'm pretty sure any future aliens would feel the same.

• 1:51:37Theo Von?

  I just didn't know because a lot of abductions seem like it's a lot of times often a guy that is seems kind of white.

• 1:51:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, actually, one of the first and most famous abduction, you can look this one up, is the Betty and Barney Hill case. Barney Hill was a black man.

• 1:51:53Theo Von?

  Was he?

• 1:51:53Speaker 02

  Betty Hill was a white woman.

• 1:51:55Theo Von?

  Let me see him.

• 1:51:56Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:51:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:51:58Theo Von?

  Oh yeah, he looks kind of black.

• 1:52:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:52:01Theo Von?

  Barney and Betty Hill were American couple and civil rights activists who claimed they were abducted by extraterrestrials in a rural portion of the state of New Hampshire from September 19th to 20th, 1961. The incident came to be called the Hill abduction and the Zeta reticuli incident because two ufologists connected the star map allegedly shown to Betty Hill with the Zeta reticuli system. The story was adapted into the bestselling 1966 book, The Interrupted Journey and the television film, The UFO Incident.

• 1:52:31Speaker 02

  And that television film, James Earl Jones played Barney Hill.

• 1:52:37Theo Von?

  Did he really?

• 1:52:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, it was pretty cool, very cool. But so anyhow, so, so.

• 1:52:41Theo Von?

  And you obviously played James Earl Jones.

• 1:52:45Speaker 02

  This is CNN. So, so, so anyhow, so aliens early on have been abducting black people, but not in the numbers that they do with white people.

• 1:52:59Theo Von?

  But this is an early mixed couple. That might've been why they got him. You know what I'm saying? It might've been, who knows?

• 1:53:07Theo Von?

  And they look like a beautiful couple.

• 1:53:08Speaker 02

  Yes, they're very well groomed, I think is the way.

• 1:53:10Theo Von?

  They look like a beautiful couple and I'm glad they got brought back. Did they get brought back?

• 1:53:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:53:14Theo Von?

  Okay, good.

• 1:53:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, and so it's, so I'm just saying, there's precedent for at least some black people to be abducted, but you are correct. The overwhelming majority are white people and English speaking people.

• 1:53:29Speaker 02

  If you look at a map of all reported UFO incidents in the world, they go MUFON, M U F O N, they'll have a map. Mapped, there are UFO sighting maps. That's it. Whoa, okay. Notice hardly any in Mexico. Every dot there on this map

• 1:53:47Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 1:53:48Speaker 02

  is a reported UFO sighting. Now, it could be that if you don't speak English, you don't know where to report it. That could be so, I get it, but.

• 1:53:56Theo Von?

  But you could just tell your friend.

• 1:53:58Speaker 02

  Difference here is

• 1:54:01Theo Von?

  You know what I'm saying, bro?

• 1:54:02Speaker 02

  Now, rotate the map or go to some other place. Can you rotate the map?

• 1:54:07Speaker 02

  There you go, rotate it around. Look at that. Okay, a little bit in India, keep turning. England, there you go. And then right across the, the, the channel. Okay, now come down to Australia. Okay, well, Australia doesn't have many people to begin with, but in all the major cities.

• 1:54:25Theo Von?

  They're reporting.

• 1:54:25Speaker 02

  Excitings, correct.

• 1:54:26Theo Von?

  And what about China? Are they reporting them? They're not allowed to, are they?

• 1:54:30Speaker 02

  You know, it's, I'm just saying this UFO thing is such an American phenomenon. And so either the, the aliens just like English speaking people.

• 1:54:41Theo Von?

  Or?

• 1:54:42Speaker 02

  Or no one else gives a shit, or it's just, it's the English people know better how to report their sightings than other people do. Or we're more gullible in thinking that something is aliens when it's just some natural phenomenon. So this, this, this map is staggering, I think.

• 1:55:01Theo Von?

  And, and dude, I'll tell you this, honestly, I think that the final war on the planet is going to be blacks versus aliens. Black, black humans versus aliens, yeah.

• 1:55:12Speaker 02

  Really? So that's, that's a movie that looks like it's going to be in the sequence with Predator versus aliens.

• 1:55:20Theo Von?

  I mean.

• 1:55:21Speaker 02

  Predator v aliens, humans v, black people v aliens, okay.

• 1:55:26Theo Von?

  Because somebody gonna have to battle them.

• 1:55:31Speaker 02

  Oh, I know, let me, let me cut you off here. It's, is it like, wasn't there some movie called Jason Takes Manhattan? And someone did a parody on that, Jason tries to take Harlem.

• 1:55:48Speaker 02

  Jason comes up with this mask and a hatchet. Boom, get out, get out of my back.

• 1:55:54Speaker 02

  Cause black people are not gonna stand for this.

• 1:55:56Theo Von?

  They're not, black people at a certain point are not gonna stand for aliens bullshit.

• 1:55:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:56:00Theo Von?

  And I think more of a white, uh, society will just fall into it too easy. At a certain point, black people are gonna detect this bullshit.

• 1:56:09Speaker 02

  We've all seen the videos of people trying to, to scare black people with Halloween trick. Like someone pops out of the can, get punched. Yeah, it's just.

• 1:56:17Theo Von?

  Yeah, stay in the can.

• 1:56:18Speaker 02

  Stay.

• 1:56:20Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:20Speaker 02

  I can, so I see, that's interesting. So all the white people of the world would have acquiesced to the demands of the aliens and would have just gotten absorbed. And black people are holding out.

• 1:56:32Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:32Speaker 02

  And it'll be the final battle.

• 1:56:33Theo Von?

  Yeah, I think that they're, they end up being the savers of the world.

• 1:56:36Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:56:38Theo Von?

  Cause I think it's just like.

• 1:56:40Speaker 02

  That's a movie.

• 1:56:40Theo Von?

  Cause every great story is the arc, you know?

• 1:56:43Speaker 02

  No, that, that missed its time. That should have come out like nineteen seventy-three.

• 1:56:46Theo Von?

  That movie?

• 1:56:47Speaker 02

  With black exploitation films, where black people are kicking ass and it was okay for everybody to do, even white people said, okay, we'll give it to you. We've been so hard on you all these years. Well, you kick our ass for a few, for a few years in the movies. That would have been the good time, black people versus.

• 1:57:03Theo Von?

  But I'm talking about.

• 1:57:04Speaker 02

  That, that one had the movie Blackula. Do you ever?

• 1:57:06Theo Von?

  Did they have that?

• 1:57:07Speaker 02

  Yes, Blackula.

• 1:57:09Theo Von?

  Oh damn.

• 1:57:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, so that, that was the era where this movie should.

• 1:57:16Theo Von?

  Who is that? Is that Richard Pryor, is it?

• 1:57:17Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, no. It was a serious movie. It looks like it would be a joke, but no.

• 1:57:23Theo Von?

  I would love to see that. And look, there he is biting some white chick.

• 1:57:28Theo Von?

  I've seen that before. But no, I think, I'm not even joking, Neil. I believe that that is gonna be the, that's gonna be the battle. And I believe that, uh, that they save the planet. That's what I believe.

• 1:57:39Speaker 02

  Somebody is gonna hear this podcast and is gonna write that script.

• 1:57:44Theo Von?

  We need it. We need it. I mean, I'm, I'm at a point where like, we need, that's what, cause I don't know what else can save, save everything.

• 1:57:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Another thing, they come down to these badass spaceships. And here we are getting our guns out of the cabinet and shooting at, really? Like, don't you just see what has happened here?

• 1:58:04Theo Von?

  The bullet will like absorb into their ship and it will become part of their ship.

• 1:58:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, for example, right? Do, do, can you just extrapolate what's happening here? So, that's right. So the, the black people, we don't have as many guns as the white people do, but we would know the guns would be pointless. We'd have to find some other way to get them.

• 1:58:22Theo Von?

  They'll figure it out.

• 1:58:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, maybe barbecue.

• 1:58:26Theo Von?

  You think?

• 1:58:28Theo Von?

  That seems racial. That seems racial to me, dude. After all the stuff we've said.

• 1:58:34Speaker 02

  I know, they'll listen to our, they'll listen to jazz. Jazz will, oh.

• 1:58:39Theo Von?

  Now we're talking.

• 1:58:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, and then the aliens just be chilling, smoking.

• 1:58:51Theo Von?

  Dude, that's how though, there'll be some way, but that's, that's how it happens.

• 1:58:56Speaker 02

  Be, it'll be their muse.

• 1:58:58Theo Von?

  I believe that.

• 1:58:59Speaker 02

  It'll be their.

• 1:59:01Theo Von?

  That's, I've always believed that. How long have I said that for, Nick?

• 1:59:03Speaker 02

  That which calms.

• 1:59:05Theo Von?

  Twenty-six years ago. How long ago? Two to six years ago, sorry.

• 1:59:09Speaker 02

  That which calms the inner beast of the alien is some smooth jazz.

• 1:59:18Theo Von?

  Your book, before you go, uh, yeah, anything, anything else about aliens? Or we can go into your book has a chapter on the Zodiac.

• 1:59:23Speaker 02

  So, thanks for giving my alien book a shout out. Came out earlier this year, back in May. Take me to your leader. Yeah, yeah. That, it's a small book, very fits in your pocket kinda thing. And that book is like everything you need to know for your alien encounter. And it's grounded in physics. I mean, so it's not, it's to try to anchor the conversations people are having about what they see, what they think they see, what they wanna see. It's in there. There's a chapter on alien intelligence, alien technology, alien powers. What powers do aliens show in a movie? That might be possible on earth, even if it's beyond our current technologies. So it's, it's a very serious but fun exploration in that.

• 2:00:08Speaker 02

  So thanks for giving that a shout out.

• 2:00:09Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:09Speaker 02

  And, and, but the Lost in Space, like I said, that's a big fat old five thousand fact book.

• 2:00:16Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:17Speaker 02

  National Geographic, they don't, they don't do ugly.

• 2:00:20Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:21Speaker 02

  Right?

• 2:00:21Theo Von?

  Oh yeah, some of the images and just like, yeah, it's a nice journey of like kinda information and, uh,

• 2:00:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:00:27Theo Von?

  Enjoying yourself, you're laying on the couch, you're enjoying something, you're sitting there.

• 2:00:31Speaker 02

  You gotta dip, dip in.

• 2:00:32Theo Von?

  Yeah, put a dip in.

• 2:00:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. And, you know, for my podcast, I wanted it to have a tagline, but our marketing person nixed it. I wanted, cause you come and you have fun and you learn something. So the tagline was, learn something for a change. That's what I was gonna say. And they said, no, that's too off put, it was too. And so in this book, it's like learn something for a change. Yeah, yeah.

• 2:00:58Theo Von?

  Last question before you go, I guess.

• 2:01:00Speaker 02

  All right.

• 2:01:01Theo Von?

  Could aliens bring new elements and stuff and new science here that we haven't seen? Like, would it alter the fabric of our science? Does that make sense?

• 2:01:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a great question. So in the chapter Alien Powers and Alien Science and Technology, I explore the science that we have discovered on earth that applies across the universe and across time. They are beholden to that. But then there are, there's other things about the universe that are mysteries to us that they might have harnessed. Like dark matter, dark energy, wormholes. You know how to make a wormhole? You, you need a, uh, negative gravity material. It'd be a substance, normal things have gravity, this is negative gravity.

• 2:01:51Theo Von?

  Like what, mud or something?

• 2:01:52Speaker 02

  No, no, no, it's just, it doesn't exist. We don't know it, but maybe an alien figured out how to make it. And if you can make a negative gravity thing, instead of bringing things together, which gravity does, it pries things apart, which is what you need to make a wormhole. Yeah. So, but here's the thing, if they master wormholes, then they connect where they are to where we are and they just step through, they wouldn't need spaceships. They would step through like, like Rick and Morty. You know, Rick has a, he opens a portal, or who's, who's this dude on, in the, um, Avengers? Doctor Strange, you just step through.

• 2:02:28Theo Von?

  And they would just be here.

• 2:02:29Speaker 02

  They need to just be here, if it's a proper wormhole. Right, it's not a whole tube that you pass through, you just step through. So, so if they mastered that, then they would not be seen in spaceships.

• 2:02:40Theo Von?

  Where would you go if you could wormhole?

• 2:02:42Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 2:02:46Speaker 02

  Center of the galaxy. That's gotta be badass. There's a super massive black hole there. I would need radiation protection, cause there's a lot of, uh, lethal electromagnetic energy coming out of there. But, you know, the center of the galaxy feels cool to me.

• 2:03:01Theo Von?

  How many people have we sent there?

• 2:03:03Speaker 02

  Zero.

• 2:03:04Theo Von?

  Ever?

• 2:03:05Speaker 02

  To the center of the galaxy? What do you mean? We, we, we've only been to the moon like six times.

• 2:03:10Theo Von?

  Oh man.

• 2:03:11Speaker 02

  So what do you mean, go to the center of the galaxy is like?

• 2:03:13Theo Von?

  Buckets, yeah.

• 2:03:14Speaker 02

  Thirty thousand light years away.

• 2:03:16Theo Von?

  Oh, I didn't know that.

• 2:03:17Speaker 02

  Oh, galaxy dude, galaxy.

• 2:03:20Theo Von?

  I don't know.

• 2:03:21Speaker 02

  Okay, well, Earth, Earth and the planets and the sun, solar system.

• 2:03:25Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 2:03:26Speaker 02

  We and four hundred billion other stars. Milky Way galaxy.

• 2:03:30Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 2:03:31Speaker 02

  We and thousands of other galaxies, the Virgo supercluster of galaxies. Other superclusters combine the universe.

• 2:03:39Theo Von?

  They keep renaming this thing and making it bigger.

• 2:03:41Speaker 02

  Bigger and bigger, yeah, as we discover it, yeah.

• 2:03:44Theo Von?

  As we discover, it's like they just kinda give you a little more bread, a little more breadcrumb.

• 2:03:49Speaker 02

  Incremental discovery, make new telescopes. So, so is there new physics? There could be, but the physics we know is not gonna be different for them.

• 2:04:00Theo Von?

  So, so our physics would have to apply to them?

• 2:04:03Speaker 02

  Certain aspects of our physics, yes, because we've tested it on earth and across the universe.

• 2:04:08Theo Von?

  Got it.

• 2:04:09Speaker 02

  So the periodic table of elements, which you saw in your chemistry class, that is full. It used to have gaps in it. And we said, wait, there's a gap here, there must be an element, let's look for it. Let's synthesize it, let's create it, bada bing, here's the element. The first element, this is in the book, the first element that was manufactured? Cause it was a gap in the whole element. Do we see this in nature? No, nature doesn't make this element. Let's make it ourselves. That's how badass we are. We made this element and we named it after the prefix we use for things that are artificially made. You know that prefix? Tech. It's called technesium.

• 2:04:50Theo Von?

  Technesium.

• 2:04:51Speaker 02

  We invented that. And.

• 2:04:53Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 2:04:54Speaker 02

  I.

• 2:04:55Theo Von?

  And that's a real element?

• 2:04:56Speaker 02

  Yeah. In fact, this has very important and significant medical application.

• 2:05:02Theo Von?

  And can you just buy it? Or is it like a?

• 2:05:05Speaker 02

  I've never tried, there are labs that can synthesize it, but.

• 2:05:07Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 2:05:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, you can't, no, what are you gonna do? I mean, what, what would you do with it if you?

• 2:05:12Theo Von?

  I don't know, I'm just half some. I guess, I don't even know.

• 2:05:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, no, yeah.

• 2:05:16Theo Von?

  I didn't know it existed.

• 2:05:17Speaker 02

  Right, right, so there's.

• 2:05:18Theo Von?

  Yes, you can buy techni.

• 2:05:19Speaker 02

  Technesium.

• 2:05:20Theo Von?

  Technesium, but it is strictly regulated and very difficult for private individuals to obtain in pure form because it is radioactive.

• 2:05:27Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:05:28Theo Von?

  Never mind.

• 2:05:29Speaker 02

  Radioactive.

• 2:05:30Theo Von?

  Do not want that at my house.

• 2:05:31Speaker 02

  Keep your gonads.

• 2:05:32Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:34Speaker 02

  So, so the, the element is full. When the Knicks were in the playoffs, they hadn't been since I was in middle school.

• 2:05:43Theo Von?

  Okay, fifty-two years or something.

• 2:05:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, some, yeah, I was, I'm an old fart. And so I, while they were in the playoffs, I tweeted, I said, I forgot the exact number, but it's approximate. I said, the last time the Knicks won the championship, the periodic table had eleven fewer elements. Just, just to measure time by our rate of discovery of these elements. So up to a hundred and eighteen? Nature only makes ninety-two of them.

• 2:06:11Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 2:06:13Speaker 02

  We manufactured, so we got the periodic table. That is what the universe is made of materially.

• 2:06:20Theo Von?

  What I looked like last time New York Knicks won a championship, look at you, boy.

• 2:06:23Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. See, I'm very geeky, I, I got a camera. That, that was one of the world's first selfies, it turns out. You know who selfieed this before me? Uh, is, is Colin Powell, has a photo of himself in a mirror.

• 2:06:40Speaker 02

  So I just thought this would be a cool thing to do when I was fourteen or something.

• 2:06:43Theo Von?

  Dude, that's cool.

• 2:06:44Speaker 02

  So that's one of several posts, and I have like a karate kimono thing on it.

• 2:06:48Theo Von?

  Yeah, I can see that, man.

• 2:06:50Speaker 02

  So if you.

• 2:06:50Theo Von?

  You had some cool hobbies.

• 2:06:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, I, I developed my own film and I was a geek kid, like I'm saying.

• 2:06:56Theo Von?

  Can there be more elements though?

• 2:06:57Speaker 02

  So, no, because those elements are just how many protons are in the nucleus? There's an element with one proton is hydrogen, two protons helium, three lithium, four boron?

• 2:07:13Speaker 02

  Five, six is, is carbon.

• 2:07:16Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:07:16Speaker 02

  Seven is nitrogen, eight is oxygen.

• 2:07:18Theo Von?

  Good.

• 2:07:19Speaker 02

  They all have names and they're in sequence. There's no room to fit any other element because we're counting protons. At the high end, we're up to 118 proudly, but maybe the aliens have 119, 20, 120. Yes.

• 2:07:34Theo Von?

  What about kryptonite?

• 2:07:35Speaker 02

  That's entirely, krypton, that's a gas.

• 2:07:39Theo Von?

  And we have it?

• 2:07:39Speaker 02

  That's a gas.

• 2:07:40Theo Von?

  Do we have it?

• 2:07:41Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:07:42Theo Von?

  Fuck, yeah.

• 2:07:42Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Krypton is a noble gas.

• 2:07:47Theo Von?

  Good.

• 2:07:47Speaker 02

  Not that anybody asked, but in the time that has elapsed since the Knicks last won a championship, we've discovered eight new subatomic particles.

• 2:07:56Theo Von?

  Dang.

• 2:07:57Speaker 02

  The, the J-si meson, the tau lepton, the bottom quark, the gluon, the WZ boson, the top quark, the tau neutrino, and the Higgs boson. Nobel prizes all around.

• 2:08:09Theo Von?

  And they are all entering the portal as well this week.

• 2:08:12Speaker 02

  What's the next one? Not that anybody asked, but the last time the New York Knicks won a championship, Steven Spielberg had not yet made a feature length movie about aliens. That's how long ago that was. That's all I'm saying.

• 2:08:26Speaker 02

  So whatever they make their craft out of, it's got to be these ingredients.

• 2:08:31Theo Von?

  Got it.

• 2:08:32Speaker 02

  So I can talk about these ingredients that they have. Maybe they may have some fancy alloy, sure, but they'll made of these ingredients. Can they, do they have negative gravity substance? Maybe, I don't know. I'm not going to preclude that. Maybe they figure that out. Can they read your mind?

• 2:08:54Speaker 02

  If they get close enough, maybe, because you, your, your brain is electromagnetic signals.

• 2:08:59Theo Von?

  It does?

• 2:09:00Speaker 02

  Yes, and that's why you can put electrodes on your head and read your brainwaves. So, yes, in principle, yes. We don't know how to do that yet, but I give that to them.

• 2:09:11Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:12Speaker 02

  I'll give it to them. They're more advanced.

• 2:09:13Theo Von?

  Sure, they came all the way here.

• 2:09:14Speaker 02

  They came all the way here, give it to them.

• 2:09:15Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:16Speaker 02

  So there's a whole conversation there about powers they have, but I'm not giving them the physics that we've already established.

• 2:09:23Theo Von?

  Got it.

• 2:09:23Speaker 02

  We're, we're good with that. Yeah. And we know that because we can measure atomic phenomenon in other stars and other galaxies across space and throughout time. And so we're good there. Be proud of that.

• 2:09:40Theo Von?

  Amen. What do you think's like the next biggest realm of discovery in science? Like where, where is science really going to start to?

• 2:09:48Speaker 02

  I think we're going to get in our genome and start messing, we're going to start playing God. I think. Oh, you want to play a piano with 12 fingers? Let's put in the gene that gives you a sixth finger on each hand and then compose something that'll do that. I think

• 2:10:08Speaker 02

  who we are and what we look like might become boutiquey. Okay? And that's, I hope that doesn't happen. Because so much of what makes life interesting is working with what you've got. How inventive you need to be to work with how you are and what.

• 2:10:28Theo Von?

  Right, it gives us a purpose.

• 2:10:30Speaker 02

  It gives you, let me work with this.

• 2:10:32Theo Von?

  Right.

• 2:10:32Speaker 02

  Let me see what I can do here. And this urge to be normal.

• 2:10:40Speaker 02

  I think every interesting thing that's ever happened in civilization was created or imagined or assembled by people who are not normal.

• 2:10:52Speaker 02

  If everybody were normal, nothing would happen. Think about that.

• 2:10:55Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:10:56Speaker 02

  So in praise of being abnormal, there's a famous quote, I think it was George Bernard Shaw. Reasonable people follow rules and do what they're told. Unreasonable people break rules and do things that they're not supposed to do. So all advances in civilization have come about from the work of unreasonable people.

• 2:11:27Speaker 02

  If you only do what you're told, you will never make a discovery.

• 2:11:29Theo Von?

  Amen. I mean, that goes back to even some of the stuff. It's like the person that's different, the person that's the, the, that's going to do things at a beat of a different drummer or whatever.

• 2:11:40Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:11:40Theo Von?

  That's the part like.

• 2:11:41Speaker 02

  Celebrate that.

• 2:11:42Theo Von?

  Yeah. That might be the savior.

• 2:11:44Speaker 02

  And.

• 2:11:45Theo Von?

  That might be the liaison. It might be the patriot that gets us to the next level.

• 2:11:48Speaker 02

  The link there. And here's just an interesting fact. I don't know what percentage of the public is trans. Some numbers put it in low single digits. And then if you're like a normalist, you will say, well, fix that. They're not normal, they're abnormal. They're, you go, okay.

• 2:12:10Speaker 02

  Do you realize that 98% of all atoms in the universe are hydrogen and helium?

• 2:12:21Speaker 02

  98%. Everything that is what we care about and love is enabled by what's in that 2%. The iron, the oxygen, the silicon, the nitrogen, the phosphorus, the everything else is what makes this universe what it is. And it's in that 2%.

• 2:12:43Theo Von?

  The variety.

• 2:12:44Speaker 02

  There it is.

• 2:12:45Theo Von?

  The cadmium.

• 2:12:46Speaker 02

  That's in there too.

• 2:12:48Theo Von?

  Is it?

• 2:12:48Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:12:49Theo Von?

  Yeah, dude. Yeah, man, you gotta have variety, you gotta have difference and, and also.

• 2:12:54Speaker 02

  It's the, it's the, it's the forces we put on ourselves to try to make people conform to what is normal or average. So that, that disturbs me. I, I, I want people to celebrate being different.

• 2:13:06Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:13:06Speaker 02

  Not be sad that they're not the same.

• 2:13:09Theo Von?

  Right. Yeah, amen to that, dude. And a lot of it is like, is like stuff, like media, online stuff that just, it's created to create the fight.

• 2:13:19Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:13:20Theo Von?

  Because in the end, I think people, you walk up to anybody, somebody, most people would take care of each other.

• 2:13:25Speaker 02

  I'd like to think so.

• 2:13:26Theo Von?

  I think that's true.

• 2:13:27Speaker 02

  Generally, they would do so if you're the only two in the boat.

• 2:13:31Speaker 02

  And all you have is each other. But if you're with a clan of 100 people and there's three people who are different out there, it's way too easy to reject them.

• 2:13:43Speaker 02

  It almost comes naturally within us to protect what's in group and reject what's out.

• 2:13:49Theo Von?

  Out of group. Well, hopefully we don't get into a place where people are like, you know, things are getting that rough out there, you know?

• 2:13:57Speaker 02

  I hope not. I mean, it's, it definitely has happened that way in some parts of the world.

• 2:14:01Theo Von?

  Oh, for sure.

• 2:14:01Speaker 02

  Definitely.

• 2:14:02Theo Von?

  I'm not saying that it hasn't for sure.

• 2:14:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:14:04Theo Von?

  But I mean, I hope it doesn't get to like, we're at the like, where things get so like dystopian out there and stuff. I don't think that's going to happen. In the end, do you think that existence wins, like that good wins?

• 2:14:15Speaker 02

  So in that vein, there's a, there's a paragraph I want to read from Carl Sagan's Pale Blue Dot.

• 2:14:20Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 2:14:20Speaker 02

  Okay. And it encapsulates so much of what my people feel as astrophysicists. Because we see Earth not just as living humans on the surface. We think of Earth from space and from deep space.

• 2:14:34Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 2:14:34Speaker 02

  And what's it look like? What's it feel like? What are you thinking?

• 2:14:36Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 2:14:37Speaker 02

  And there's Earth, just this orb adrift.

• 2:14:43Speaker 02

  What are you thinking?

• 2:14:47Speaker 02

  Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that in glory and in triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of the dot, unscarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner of the dot. How frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another. How fervent their hatreds. Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe

• 2:15:32Speaker 02

  are challenged by this point of pale light. So I, I think about that all the time.

• 2:15:42Speaker 02

  You will not find legions of astrophysicists leading soldiers into battle.

• 2:15:47Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:15:48Speaker 02

  That is not ever going to happen.

• 2:15:51Theo Von?

  You would think we could do better, and I think most of us want to.

• 2:15:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:15:56Theo Von?

  You know?

• 2:15:58Speaker 02

  Well, you know what, you know, it has to be, it has to be what I found. The most potent way to, to get someone to accept someone else is to have your kids want to marry one of them.

• 2:16:11Speaker 02

  I mean, think about it. Historically, marriages were like pacts between countries to bring peace.

• 2:16:17Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:16:17Speaker 02

  Among them. They marry the royalty off and now you gotta have, be friends. So.

• 2:16:22Theo Von?

  That's the truth.

• 2:16:23Speaker 02

  Maybe there's deep truth in that.

• 2:16:24Theo Von?

  Oh, I've always said beige power, man. I think it all ends, it all ends really beige, man. I've always said beige power, dude.

• 2:16:37Theo Von?

  Neil deGrasse Tyson, thank you so much, brother.

• 2:16:40Speaker 02

  Thanks for having me back. I mean, I enjoyed our last time together, but we, I can't, I'm not leaving till we both look at this babyfied version of us. When you asked me a question and I answered it.

• 2:16:51Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 2:16:52Speaker 02

  Take a look at this.

• 2:16:53Theo Von?

  That sounds fair. Let's check it out right here.

• 2:16:54Speaker 02

  This is like, I think what AI was intended for.

• 2:16:58Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah. Is outer space gay or straight?

• 2:17:03Speaker 02

  Okay, so I'm going to give you an answer. Are you ready?

• 2:17:05Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:17:06Speaker 02

  Is outer space gay or straight? Practically everything we see and measure in space, not only objects, but temperature, size, density is on a spectrum. So for you to say, is the universe gay or straight? I'm going to tell you, whatever the universe is, it's on a spectrum.

• 2:17:26Theo Von?

  So it's bi.

• 2:17:33Theo Von?

  Yeah, I never even seen that, dude.

• 2:17:35Speaker 02

  You haven't seen that? You don't see your own stuff?

• 2:17:37Theo Von?

  Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. My mother sends me stuff sometimes.

• 2:17:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, okay.

• 2:17:41Theo Von?

  It was fun, dude. Our last, our, our last conversation was fun, man. I've listened to it a couple of times over the years and just grateful to have you back and just grateful that you keep just contributing to the world, sharing and opening your heart up and, and sharing things that are.

• 2:17:53Speaker 02

  Whoever will listen, I'm there for.

• 2:17:56Theo Von?

  You've done a great job over the years, man. So thank you so much for your contribution.

• 2:18:00Speaker 02

  Keep us laughing and I meant that in space.

• 2:18:01Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:18:02Speaker 02

  You, you knock on the door, I'll let you in and.

• 2:18:06Theo Von?

  Hey, and if you do that, then I won't be lost in space. How about that?

• 2:18:11Speaker 02

  You'll have a guide.

• 2:18:12Theo Von?

  Yeah, I will. Lost in Space, 5,000 Facts for Navigating the Universe. That's your new book. It's a beauty.

• 2:18:19Speaker 02

  Thanks for the shout out.

• 2:18:19Theo Von?

  Yep, you bet, man. And thank you so much, Neil, I appreciate it, man.

• 2:18:23Speaker 02

  All right.