SIDE EYE Ft. Golloria | Episode 170

Drew welcomes Golloria to the show this week!! They talk about her entry into the makeup world, going viral in college, Club Penguin, their shared love of Vampire Diaries (of course), Golloria's love for running, and so much more. Visit Amazon.com/prime to get more out of whatever you’re into. Golloria on IG: https://www.instagram.com/golloria/?hl=en Golloria on Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@golloria?lang=en Follow The Comment Section on IG: https://www.instagram.com/thecommentsection/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 0:00Drew Afualo?

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• 0:34Drew Afualo?

  Hey everyone and welcome back to another episode of the comment section show. Sorry, me, your fave, everybody knows me, who cares about me? Onto the guests. Today, we have the iconic, the legendary, the unbelievably beautiful and talented Gloria.

• 0:51Speaker 01

  What's up, my friend?

• 0:52Drew Afualo?

  Welcome to the show, queen.

• 0:54Speaker 01

  Thank you, babe. How are you?

• 0:55Drew Afualo?

  I'm so good now that you're here. Even better now.

• 0:58Speaker 01

  Twin.

• 1:00Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, for real, you and me.

• 1:01Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:01Drew Afualo?

  I am so excited to have you. It's been a long time coming.

• 1:03Speaker 01

  It has.

• 1:04Drew Afualo?

  Been waiting for you, but you're not a local girl.

• 1:06Speaker 01

  I'm not.

• 1:07Drew Afualo?

  You're a Texas, a Texas sweetheart.

• 1:08Speaker 01

  I'm a Texas cowgirl.

• 1:11Drew Afualo?

  Where in Texas are you from?

• 1:12Speaker 01

  Austin.

• 1:12Drew Afualo?

  Period?

• 1:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13Drew Afualo?

  I went there last year for tour.

• 1:15Speaker 01

  Oh, period. You went on tour?

• 1:16Drew Afualo?

  Oh, yes, for my book.

• 1:17Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:18Drew Afualo?

  Last summer.

• 1:19Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 1:20Drew Afualo?

  It was really fun.

• 1:21Speaker 01

  She's a writer, guys.

• 1:22Drew Afualo?

  A published author. Yes.

• 1:26Drew Afualo?

  And you and I, actually, speaking of accomplishments, you and I were both in Forbes.

• 1:30Speaker 01

  Oh, please don't talk to us disrespectfully, guys.

• 1:32Drew Afualo?

  Talk to us very nice.

• 1:33Speaker 01

  Talk quietly.

• 1:34Drew Afualo?

  Quietly.

• 1:35Speaker 01

  Lower your voice.

• 1:35Drew Afualo?

  Thank you. But I, I'm obsessed with you. I think you're fantastic and amazing. Been a fan for you for a long time, but for those who are not familiar with your lore, I'd love to know, how'd you get into makeup? Obviously, you're a glam girl.

• 1:47Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:47Drew Afualo?

  You do many other things, too.

• 1:48Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:49Drew Afualo?

  But I would love to know how you got into TikTok, how you started making videos, content, all of that.

• 1:53Speaker 01

  Guys, honestly, it kind of came out of nowhere. Like, I was in college and the girls love to get ready. Like, that was just like, your friends like to get ready before you go outside. And I'm just like, oh, you guys are putting on full faces. I feel a bit left out. You know, like, I feel A bit left out. And so I was exploring with makeup, like de- definitely like my freshman year until like my sophomore year. And I was like, yeah, none of this is eating. I look a little casket ready.

• 2:22Speaker 01

  It's giving ash, honey, you know, like it was just not a look. And it was a lot of like trial and error. I was like, yeah, this is like, why should I even have to trial and error? Why doesn't it just work for me? Exactly. I shouldn't have to make it work. And so I started making videos. I think like my first ever viral video was the Fenty matchstick. Or it might have been like the foundation, the soft, one of the foundations, girl, Rihanna be in that lab, but you know, I made a video and I was like, yeah, this is, this is tea. It was like one of like my first big purchases too, because I was broke. You know, like I was broke and makeup is expensive. So yeah, like fifty dollars a foundation, guys. This cannot be the America we're in, you know, but I literally got it. And I was like, yeah, this is, this is, this is tea. This is tea. Let me make a video.

• 3:07Speaker 01

  And I just knew that like, the feeling that I was feeling and experiencing, like, the other girls had to feel it too.

• 3:15Drew Afualo?

  The magic.

• 3:16Speaker 01

  I do not want to be fifty, con de crítico.

• 3:18Drew Afualo?

  You, you and me both, yeah.

• 3:19Speaker 01

  You know, me, I will be in those books, guys.

• 3:22Drew Afualo?

  I know. So times when I would do interviews in the beginning, especially, they'd be like, oh, like, what about the future? Like, do you see yourself doing this? I was like, I hope to God I'm not doing this in my forties. Oh, God, if that's the case, is anyone listening to me still?

• 3:34Speaker 01

  No, for real. Like, I'm, don't worry, don't worry.

• 3:39Drew Afualo?

  Well, that's so exciting. So when it started, the ball started kind of rolling. When did you kind of feel like, oh shit, I think this is like turning into something?

• 3:48Speaker 01

  It was probably like the, like mid junior year after that first semester. I was like, oh, these numbers are low key up. Like, I'm literally in, I'm literally in like my calculus class and I'm like, girl.

• 4:03Speaker 01

  These numbers are mathing. Um, and I got like my first partnership, I think, that second semester. And it was, it was, it was a chunk of change. And I was like, oh, no one can ever call me broke again. I was literally just like, what am I gonna buy, guys? Like? It's definitely been a trip. It's definitely been a trip for sure, but blessings.

• 4:24Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 4:24Speaker 01

  I didn't think that this would turn into a full-time career, honestly, like social media is like one of those things that just like, once it goes, it goes and you don't even realize it until it's happening.

• 4:33Drew Afualo?

  For real, yeah. I feel like, I'm sure you get that question a lot now, especially for young girls who are in school and content creating at the same time. I've told people though, I'm like, don't quit your job and don't quit school off one video. Like, you gotta be doing it for a while and like establish.

• 4:49Speaker 01

  You really do. And it's definitely like, cause I was also working two full-time jobs too.

• 4:53Drew Afualo?

  Damn, what were you doing?

• 4:54Speaker 01

  Girl, I used to work front desk at a hotel. I think a lot of people don't know that about me, but I was working.

• 5:00Drew Afualo?

  You were like a front desk girl at just a regular like chain hotel?

• 5:03Speaker 01

  Hotel chain hotel. It was literally, I was there from seven AM to eleven PM and at eleven thirty when I got home, I would, that camera was out.

• 5:11Drew Afualo?

  You're crazy.

• 5:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was literally suffering.

• 5:14Drew Afualo?

  What was, what was your other job? You were working at the hotel?

• 5:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was just two front desk hotel jobs and

• 5:19Drew Afualo?

  Damn, you were just bouncing between them?

• 5:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was just bouncing between them. Like, girl, I had to get my money up somehow.

• 5:24Drew Afualo?

  Look at you.

• 5:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, for sure.

• 5:26Drew Afualo?

  Well, and that's, that's a testament too to wanting to make this work also, which I've also told people, I've, I've mentioned before that, like, nothing's gonna stop you. If you really wanna do it, no matter how busy you are, you're gonna make time.

• 5:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're gonna make it shake for sure, but it's still a difficult task at that, cause it's a lot of work. It's definitely not as like, like body extraneous as like any other job that I've had. Like, it's, social media is quite easy.

• 5:53Drew Afualo?

  Compared to most jobs, yes.

• 5:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, literally. Like, in a sense of like, let's be honest, guys, like, it's not as terrible as a lot of people make it out to seem. It's a different type of stress though.

• 6:03Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, exactly. That's what I've told people too. I've said, I feel like it's, it's absolutely one hundred percent not the hardest job in the world ever in a million years, right? Ever, never. Uh, it just, the problems it gives you are things that I've said, no matter how many jobs you've had, it couldn't prepare you for the problems you get, cause they're so unique. Like, they're so specific to the job that, that's the only difference is really the stress is, like you said, it's just different.

• 6:28Speaker 01

  It's just a different type of stress. You make a shake. You make it work.

• 6:30Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and and then every when you have normal horrible jobs, you're like, I'd rather be doing this.

• 6:38Drew Afualo?

  Other horrible job.

• 6:40Speaker 01

  Exactly, exactly.

• 6:41Drew Afualo?

  Were you always a glam girl? Were you always like a makeup, a makeup girly?

• 6:44Speaker 01

  No, I was kind of weird growing up, you know?

• 6:49Speaker 01

  I was kind of into like, I, you know, I was in those books. I also love Club Penguin. You know, like, I was just, I was a little weird.

• 6:59Drew Afualo?

  We are familiar. We are big fans of. As you could see from the silent.

• 7:09Drew Afualo?

  Thank God you brought it up.

• 7:10Speaker 01

  Honestly, like, I just was, I was just in that Nintendo. I wasn't doing anything serious. I think like makeup and like just like growing into beauty was definitely something that I had to grow into because I also grew up dark skinned and just like I was not the beauty standard and people were just mean. Whenever you don't look white.

• 7:31Speaker 01

  They will tear you up, okay, really bad. So I just already had like this weird like perception of beauty and you know, I, it took me a long time to really step into like my identity and like know who I was and like learn who I was because I feel like it was something that other people always tried to control or like, oh, you're not beautiful or you're too dark or you're this and you're that. And baby, I'm a kid. You know, like, I'm a kid, like, let me live. But it definitely was a learning curve. But I will say like in college is when I really was like, okay, like I kind of like full glam, like let me put it on, you know, so.

• 8:06Drew Afualo?

  I love that for you. I was a full glam girl too in college. I think that's when I really started trying to spread my wings. But that was like twenty thirteen till like twenty seventeen was when I was in college. And that was like the super cut contour, the whitest highlight, no blush, no lip liner.

• 8:25Speaker 01

  You see like the waterline, like the white waterline?

• 8:27Drew Afualo?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If I could get it in there, yes. Most of the time I had like a winged liner, but like the wing was so long you could touching the damn near the end of my eyebrow.

• 8:36Speaker 01

  But it gave, like, let's bring it back.

• 8:38Drew Afualo?

  And I had the biggest mink lash you could ever.

• 8:40Speaker 01

  That twenty five millimeter from the beauty supply store.

• 8:44Drew Afualo?

  I said I'm spending nine dollars on a lash, for sure I am, yes. Cause I want them to touch my eyebrows.

• 8:50Speaker 01

  Like my way love.

• 8:52Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and I went to, I went to college in Hawaii, so I was wearing fake lashes at the beach. I didn't give a fuck.

• 8:57Speaker 01

  And you know it's humid out there.

• 8:58Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I didn't give a fuck.

• 8:59Speaker 01

  I know a corner was lifted.

• 9:01Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I had duo on my person.

• 9:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:03Drew Afualo?

  Duo eyelash glue.

• 9:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:04Drew Afualo?

  Kept it in my bag at all times.

• 9:06Speaker 01

  Listen, that duo, don't ever play about that duo eyelash glue, y'all. I love duo.

• 9:11Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it smells bad, but it lasts.

• 9:13Speaker 01

  It lasts. There has to be some type of toxin in it, for sure.

• 9:17Drew Afualo?

  When did you start feeling like you were making an impact with you doing, uh, beauty especially? Because like you were saying too, uh, not the beauty standard by any stretch. It's always Eurocentric.

• 9:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:27Drew Afualo?

  Um, oftentimes. So, when did you start feeling like you were making an impact in that?

• 9:31Speaker 01

  Um, honestly, it wasn't really like any accolades or anything. It was like the DMs that I was getting. From like a lot of like the dark skinned girls and like the South Sudo girls specifically, like, you know, there is a lack of representation in like every industry, like not even just beauty. Like, I think on a larger scale, we don't see a lot of dark skinned women in anything really.

• 9:51Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 9:52Speaker 01

  Um, and so it was more so hearing that like, oh, like I didn't even think that this was possible because I haven't seen it, but I'm watching you do it and that inspires me to shoot for the moon, you know?

• 10:03Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 10:04Speaker 01

  That was for me, just like, wow, like I actually cannot stop doing this because it's really 12 year olds watching me. And like looking up to me. And I wish that when I was young, I had that type of like figure to look up to and be like, you know what? I can do anything that I put my brain to.

• 10:19Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 10:20Speaker 01

  Anything that my medulla reaches for, it reaches, you know? But it just wasn't a huge reality for me. So to know that I was inspiring like larger than the masses, but like girls that like look like me, that was like, yeah, girl, get to work.

• 10:33Drew Afualo?

  That stuff gets you emotional.

• 10:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:35Drew Afualo?

  I bet. It makes me emotional too, when I hear from my own girls, like girls from my own culture especially. Really touches me.

• 10:42Speaker 01

  It does, because it's like, you know, we've had it hard, guys. We've had it so hard. And also just like experiencing life, just not being the beauty standard is a tough one.

• 10:53Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 10:54Speaker 01

  It's a tough one for sure. And then we live in a very secular society too, so.

• 10:59Speaker 01

  I'm praying for all of us.

• 11:01Drew Afualo?

  Well, and that's I was gonna ask, like, was there ever a time that you felt represented, whether it was in social media or in media itself? Or did you become that representation?

• 11:11Speaker 01

  I feel like a little bit of both, like, I think for South Sudan specifically, like, a lot of South Sudanese women are models, like, we see them on the runway, right? But I know that comes with its own demon, honestly, like, the way that they view us and like masculinas, like, they just, first of all, they be shaving off our hair, like, they literally are just like, let's shave it, let's shave it, like, a lot of South Sudanese models just like, they just have to shave their hair to like walk the runway and it's just like side eye, you know, um, and even just like the way they're portrayed in media, like, the way that a lot of magazines and just like a lot of publications will constantly like darken the exposure will be brought down to here to make us look darker and it's like,

• 11:55Speaker 01

  you know, okay, like, I guess that's strange, but, you know, yeah, it's just like a, it's like a really quick side eye, so it's definitely a demon in its own, but I just have noticed as I've grown in this industry for sure, like, there's a lot that has happened, there's a lot of representation that has happened on my part and not only is it just like dark-skinned women, but also just like African baddies, like, you guys can do it, you know, like,

• 12:22Drew Afualo?

  absolutely, yeah, well, that's what I, I loved about your content too, other than your reviews, because I just think your reviews are so funny and entertaining. But on top of that, you're making a real difference because there have been like very serious established brands that have brought you in to help them understand better on how to better make colors for women with your skin tone, like, what has that experience been like? I think that's fucking awesome.

• 12:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, I honestly, I love consulting, um, I think a lot of people don't have a lot of insight on what it actually like means to consult and like on a larger scale, a lot of these companies are not testing on people with darker complexion and that's why there is these like large discrepancies in these products and these new launches that they have because it's like,

• 13:03Drew Afualo?

  insane?

• 13:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's absolutely insane, they're not testing it on people that look like less and, um, beyond that, there are no black people on the teams. Okay, from the cosmetic chemists to like even just like the people that work in like the PR that are hiring the girls for like the campaigns or just, you know, Even like the little beauty campaigns and like the ads and stuff that they're running like there are not a lot of black people in those rooms, right? So with consulting, I think people are just like, okay, well, I don't they just make the shade to begin with, da da da da. And I'm just like, well, they're not. So, you know.

• 13:34Drew Afualo?

  So how do we change?

• 13:35Speaker 01

  Exactly. How do we do that tangible change? How do we make it work? Cause at the end of the day too, like not everyone is chronically online. Like if a dark skinned girl walks into Sephora and she's never seen my videos before and she doesn't know who I am. And she goes to whoever she goes to and there's not a shade for her, but she tries to make it work like. That's an experience, a lived in experience that so many people live in, right? And so why not make sure that there is access to shades for people with dark collections? Like not everyone's online, you know, like.

• 14:01Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 14:02Speaker 01

  As much as I would love to say like, oh my gosh, like. Guys, like just don't shop at the brands and don't do this, don't do this, like a bigger picture.

• 14:09Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 14:10Speaker 01

  There are people that are going to be shopping at these brands regardless. And so. Hello, if we can get rid of the trauma of swatching a shade and it being not. The cutest, like let's do it, like let's make it accessible. And that's what consulting is. It's like. You're gonna have to continue to step out of comfort to make that tangible change.

• 14:26Drew Afualo?

  Absolutely.

• 14:27Speaker 01

  And I think a lot of people have a hard time with conceptualizing that it's. We're in a society where black people and dark skinned people are just not seen. We're not validated. We're not even.

• 14:39Speaker 01

  We're not even thought of most of the time, right? And so. It takes a lot to actually just like sit there and be like, you know what? It's really above me, but what can I do internally to make sure that this is getting shifted industry wide?

• 14:51Drew Afualo?

  Absolutely.

• 14:51Speaker 01

  And you gotta make a shake. You just gotta do it.

• 14:54Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, yeah, absolutely. It's it's one of those things where it's like, yeah, we could, we could cut out ones and we should. That are blatant, but for other ones, like. We deserve to be here, like we should, there should be change.

• 15:06Speaker 01

  Exactly. Why can I only use three brands?

• 15:08Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 15:10Speaker 01

  You know, like.

• 15:11Drew Afualo?

  It's like forcing your way in the door. I I feel so strongly about that. Like, and that's why I really fuck with your content, especially that kind of content. Because I think it it's it's very brave to do stuff like that, especially with brands because as influencers who, especially if you're in the beauty space. You work with brands and they all talk to each other and they all consult with each other. And it's very possible that if you piss one off, like they won't work with you and they'll tell others not work with you. But you're not afraid of that because what matters more is the experience of every consumer ever who wants to try makeup. Like that matters and I, that's why I, I've, I was like, I know you're with the shits because you're not afraid of shit like that. And I was like, she just like me for real.

• 15:50Speaker 01

  No, for real, like y'all could blacklist me, it's okay, like. I also just like recognize too that like I, you know, baby, I grew up broke. The $10,000 that y'all want from me, you can keep it. Like you can keep it, honestly, I just, it is what it is, you're gonna get blacklisted, you're gonna, you know, be confronted with really uncomfortable conversations. And you have to navigate through that in a lens that's like, okay, how can I productively make tangible change?

• 16:20Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 16:21Speaker 01

  And do it unapologetically. If you're not willing to do it unapologetically despite the backlash or despite what other people think, despite what these beauty brands are going to do to you, then nothing is gonna happen. And we're gonna continue to be in this cycle of like, okay, there aren't shades, y'all are still launching this and doing that now. These beauty brands, y'all can be a little afraid, don't let me get that product in my hand, okay?

• 16:42Drew Afualo?

  That's why I think you're so funny, because I was like, you're literally the me of makeup world. Like I got things to say, you know? And that's, and I, I agree with you wholeheartedly on the money part too, because I've said before, I'm like, if getting the money changes the way I would talk or act or feel about certain things, like naturally, I don't want it. I don't fucking need it, I don't need it at all if it's gonna make me start acting different.

• 17:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:08Drew Afualo?

  Because you're all, this has been pissing me off, it's not like it's new.

• 17:11Speaker 01

  Right, and it's like, I've lived a life in this skin color, do you think that I need this measly $5,000? Like, please. And like, it's a lot of money, like, sometimes it's like, wow, like, that's really a lot of money to like, just, just turn away, but at the end of the day, like, what, what is the goal, larger picture, you know, like? And aside from like the money too, like morale.

• 17:32Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, just general ethics.

• 17:34Speaker 01

  Please, I wanna sleep at night.

• 17:36Drew Afualo?

  Me too.

• 17:37Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 17:37Drew Afualo?

  I was like, I believe in karma.

• 17:39Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 17:39Drew Afualo?

  I believe in it very sincerely.

• 17:41Speaker 01

  Yes, yes.

• 17:42Drew Afualo?

  What's been the best experience working with a brand?

• 17:44Speaker 01

  Um, probably.

• 17:46Drew Afualo?

  I'm sure you'll have many more.

• 17:47Speaker 01

  You know, many, many more. I honestly have loved working with Rode. I think Team Rode is just like.

• 17:53Drew Afualo?

  Oh, I love that.

• 17:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, they have made a lot of great changes and also above that, they're just so eager to listen. And aside from like the product in itself and like developing the products and like consulting on a lot of those products, it's also like their marketing, like, Rode, we bringing out those South Sudanese models. Like, I'm so sorry, we do not see that in a lot of beauty campaigns where.

• 18:15Drew Afualo?

  It's true, yeah.

• 18:16Speaker 01

  It's like, we're seeing the darkest shade actually being represented and not just like the product, but like the actual campaigns worldwide, like.

• 18:24Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 18:25Speaker 01

  I think that is just like a really huge marker of like how, how much they actually wanna be intentional in the inclusive products.

• 18:32Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, they don't just talk about it, they are about it.

• 18:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, for real. And I, I really just like, I've consulted with Tony with Rode. Me and Tony are always. Let's get to work. You know, like, you know what I mean?

• 18:43Drew Afualo?

  You guys are always cooking in that lab.

• 18:45Speaker 01

  We're always cooking. And to just know that they're willing to hear our insight and like, sometimes I'll be like, oh, this is not good. Like, this is not good. And there are other times that I'm just like, okay, this is amazing, but also, they go as far as making sure they are black cosmetic chemists, like.

• 18:59Drew Afualo?

  Love that.

• 19:00Speaker 01

  Number one, we get to work because the person that's in that lab looks like us too. And that makes like the biggest difference.

• 19:06Drew Afualo?

  It matters.

• 19:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, it really does.

• 19:08Drew Afualo?

  Absolutely.

• 19:08Speaker 01

  Really does.

• 19:09Drew Afualo?

  Do you have any like dream collaborations or consulting gigs in your mind? We can manifest here for you.

• 19:16Speaker 01

  Honestly?

• 19:18Drew Afualo?

  Or even a product of your own?

• 19:20Speaker 01

  I think product of my own, for sure. I'm like in that time of my career where I'm just like, you know, like, let's just explore some options. I'm also young, so it's like, I got some time on my hands. I'm like really enjoying this like, time of life that I'm in currently. So I know a beauty brand will come eventually, but, I will be eating up at a dark-skinned girl's, no doubt.

• 19:38Drew Afualo?

  What about other goals outside of beauty? Do you have any other goals or talents you wanna pursue outside of beauty?

• 19:43Speaker 01

  Honestly, I think.

• 19:47Speaker 01

  I'm really chilling. I'm really chilling. I like to run.

• 19:49Drew Afualo?

  I've seen, I was gonna ask about you running, cuz I see that you love to run.

• 19:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, I love to run.

• 19:55Drew Afualo?

  I can relate. Explain it to me.

• 19:57Speaker 01

  I think it might be a little bit in my genetics.

• 20:02Speaker 01

  I'm so sorry, but I just think South Sudo people just love to run, you know, like. I think also too, like, I was also in this, like, really, like, pivotal part of my career in, like, this past year where the hate just got so bad and I needed to, like, express that in a way that was, like, actually, like, positive.

• 20:18Drew Afualo?

  Like, healthy for us.

• 20:20Speaker 01

  Yes, exactly. And one thing that anxiety and depression love the most is sitting still and, like, being in stillness because you're not doing anything, you're just sulking in those feelings. And it really took me being like, girl, get up, get up. And it started off as walks and then I was like, okay, these walks are cute, you know, let's try to run. And when I started to run, I was like, okay, I feel so much better, like, I really do. Um, and it just kinda stuck. And I didn't realize I was good at it, but I think women are good at everything that they put their minds to, so.

• 20:50Drew Afualo?

  It is what it is. Yeah. I'm always like, well, she can probably conquer it. I'm sure she can.

• 20:54Speaker 01

  I know she can.

• 20:56Drew Afualo?

  You're talking about myself?

• 20:57Speaker 01

  Yes, like, we can do anything, um, and it was-

• 21:00Drew Afualo?

  Do you have any running goals?

• 21:02Speaker 01

  A marathon.

• 21:02Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I was gonna say, have you, have you done anything yet, like a 5K, half marathon?

• 21:06Speaker 01

  I haven't done anything yet. I think I'll probably start off with, like, a 10K, like, I'd be running, like, six.

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• 21:46Speaker 01

  Miles every other day ish, you know.

• 21:48Drew Afualo?

  You're fucking crazy.

• 21:49Speaker 01

  But that twenty, what is it, twenty-three point six?

• 21:51Drew Afualo?

  It's like twenty-six, I think, is the marathon.

• 21:53Speaker 01

  Or twenty-six point two.

• 21:54Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, something like that.

• 21:56Speaker 01

  Baby.

• 21:56Drew Afualo?

  Me not even knowing, because I'm never gonna do it. No matter how much should I talk. Almost, I would say quarterly on this show, I'm like, I should run a marathon. I'm lying. I'm not telling the truth.

• 22:06Speaker 01

  I'll do a half, you know, like, I can probably do a half, but that twenty-six might see me in twenty-six.

• 22:15Drew Afualo?

  I don't know, I feel like you'd master it. You seem like someone who's a real, like, hyper fixation, like, this is my thing, I'm gonna conquer it and then move on to the next thing.

• 22:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, I am. I'm like, definitely, like, once I, once I reach a certain goal, I'm just like, let's, let's continue, you know?

• 22:28Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, yeah, you're, you're like, mastering all trades and then being like, alright, on to the next one.

• 22:33Speaker 01

  On to the next, like, what's next?

• 22:35Drew Afualo?

  I have some fun facts about you, though.

• 22:37Speaker 01

  Okay, go ahead.

• 22:37Drew Afualo?

  If you'd like, if we'd like to get into them.

• 22:39Speaker 01

  Let's get into them.

• 22:39Drew Afualo?

  Uh, says you played volleyball in high school.

• 22:41Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 22:42Drew Afualo?

  What'd you play in volleyball?

• 22:43Speaker 01

  I played outside hitter.

• 22:45Drew Afualo?

  Me too, queen.

• 22:46Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 22:47Drew Afualo?

  Cause you're tall.

• 22:47Speaker 01

  I'm so tall.

• 22:48Drew Afualo?

  You're a tall girl.

• 22:49Speaker 01

  So tall.

• 22:51Drew Afualo?

  Did you like sports in high school?

• 22:53Speaker 01

  I did. I feel like I've always had, like, an athletic bone.

• 22:55Drew Afualo?

  Love.

• 22:56Speaker 01

  And I think it was also just like an outlet, too, like, you just get it out.

• 23:00Drew Afualo?

  Same. Athleticism, can I say, not common in Hollywood.

• 23:03Speaker 01

  It's not.

• 23:03Drew Afualo?

  There's, it's not, and we can say it, it's fine, all of you are artsy girls, I was an athlete too in high school.

• 23:09Speaker 01

  I was an athlete. I'm an athlete. Okay, I was on varsity, guys, don't say.

• 23:15Drew Afualo?

  I was talking to, uh, one of my friends and she was like, well, you would know, you were a big, uh, like, drama nerd in high school, right? And I go, no, I was not.

• 23:23Speaker 01

  Me personally, it was.

• 23:25Drew Afualo?

  I was like, actually, no, not even. And she was, really? What were you in high school? What did you do in high school? And I was like, I was an athlete.

• 23:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:31Drew Afualo?

  And she was like, really? Cause she's known me for, like, years.

• 23:34Speaker 01

  And then we're tall.

• 23:35Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 23:36Speaker 01

  That's the first thing they throw us into, is go play some sports.

• 23:39Drew Afualo?

  They be recruiting me in the parking lot as soon as I got out. It was funny, cause there was one, and this is like, looking back, this feels progressive, um, which maybe it is in an essence, but like, we used to have spirit week, you know, spirit weeks in high school? There was one in my high school when I was a junior that was gender switch day? So we literally dressed as the opposite gender, which is, it feels progressive now, cause a lot of men came to school dressed as women, they were, oh, it was crazy. So I dressed like a boy, obviously. So I dressed like, basically like a teenage someone boy, that's what I wore to school. When I tell you I had a football coach chase me down because he thought I was a transfer to the school. Cause he forgot. And I said, well, that hurts my feelings.

• 24:19Speaker 01

  Lie.

• 24:20Drew Afualo?

  That kinda sucks.

• 24:21Speaker 01

  But you know what, like, I also was like, really overly masculinized too, like.

• 24:26Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 24:27Speaker 01

  Growing up, like just being tall and black and just like not fitting into that like beauty standard.

• 24:35Drew Afualo?

  Whatever they're, yeah, considering in their head.

• 24:38Speaker 01

  It was so insane.

• 24:40Drew Afualo?

  Oh, yeah, even now, even now, when I meet fans, sometimes I, I, I joke about it on the show a lot. Sometimes when fans take pictures with me, they'll like hold my stomach like we're going to prom. Hey.

• 24:49Speaker 01

  Why would you do that?

• 24:50Drew Afualo?

  Don't do that to me.

• 24:52Speaker 01

  Side eye?

• 24:53Drew Afualo?

  Don't you do that to me.

• 24:54Speaker 01

  Put it on my lower back like a normal, like I am a woman.

• 24:58Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 24:59Speaker 01

  Listen.

• 25:00Drew Afualo?

  Put it on the curve of my back.

• 25:01Speaker 01

  Please, like, please, I know you feel it, okay?

• 25:06Drew Afualo?

  I was like, I pull up my top, alright, maybe you need to see it.

• 25:08Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 25:10Drew Afualo?

  Have you been watching any, do you watch any shows? Do you, do you like watching shows?

• 25:13Speaker 01

  I do.

• 25:14Drew Afualo?

  What have you been watching lately?

• 25:15Speaker 01

  Attack on Titan.

• 25:16Drew Afualo?

  Ooh, okay, you're an anime girl. Look at you.

• 25:19Speaker 01

  You know, I'm one of many talent guys.

• 25:23Drew Afualo?

  I love that. No, I love that about you. I think that's wonderful. Is that, is that your favorite kinda TV show? Do you have any other faves?

• 25:29Speaker 01

  You know, I li- I have like that, the anime version of my, you know, personality. And then I have like, oh, I can get down on some Vampire Diaries.

• 25:36Drew Afualo?

  I, hold on.

• 25:38Speaker 01

  Girl.

• 25:38Drew Afualo?

  No idea what you just started by bringing up Vampire Diaries.

• 25:40Speaker 01

  Down on some Vampire Diaries.

• 25:42Drew Afualo?

  Show, I was balls deep in that show. It was so ahead of its time. Nobody understands me when I talk about Vampire Diaries.

• 25:49Speaker 01

  No, I'm telling you, I get it. I get it. The way they did our girl, what is her name? Our witch girl?

• 25:57Drew Afualo?

  Bonnie.

• 25:58Speaker 01

  Bonnie, Bonnie, you deserve better, sister.

• 26:00Drew Afualo?

  They were trying to get rid of Bonnie and she said, no ma'am, I'm staying here all nine fucking seasons of the show.

• 26:07Speaker 01

  All nine. And I feel like Klaus was misunderstood.

• 26:10Drew Afualo?

  I agree. I loved him. His character arc, I was like, I'm into this.

• 26:14Speaker 01

  I agree. And Elena?

• 26:15Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 26:18Speaker 01

  Elena, girl. She did a lot.

• 26:22Drew Afualo?

  She did do a lot. Were you a team Stefan girl, team Damon?

• 26:25Speaker 01

  Oh, Damon Salvatore.

• 26:29Drew Afualo?

  You're blushing like he's here.

• 26:30Speaker 01

  Like Damon, you really ate, but I honestly really like Marcellus, like.

• 26:35Drew Afualo?

  OKT, loved him.

• 26:37Speaker 01

  Marcellus?

• 26:37Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, when they moved to New Orleans.

• 26:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:39Drew Afualo?

  Hell, yeah.

• 26:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:40Drew Afualo?

  Every, every guy on that show, I was like, period, period, period, period.

• 26:44Speaker 01

  Period, period, period.

• 26:44Drew Afualo?

  To most of them. Most of them, not all. Um, I will say, I really.

• 26:50Speaker 01

  You know, like, let's not gas him too much.

• 26:53Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 26:53Speaker 01

  A man is a man.

• 26:53Drew Afualo?

  Right, a man, true, true. Um, I felt like when I was watching Vampire Diaries, I was a Stefan girl, personally.

• 27:00Speaker 01

  Stefan is cute.

• 27:01Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, he was cute. I just liked him better than Damon. Damon really annoyed me in the beginning.

• 27:05Speaker 01

  Well, Damon acts like a child sometimes.

• 27:07Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 27:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:08Drew Afualo?

  That's what I'm saying.

• 27:09Speaker 01

  But he was handsome.

• 27:09Drew Afualo?

  He was, yeah, and they both were. And I was like, you know what's funny is like when I watch shows with like love triangles between brothers, like if you watch the summary turn pretty.

• 27:17Speaker 01

  I haven't watched that yet.

• 27:19Drew Afualo?

  It's good.

• 27:19Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 27:20Drew Afualo?

  You should watch it.

• 27:20Speaker 01

  It's on Netflix?

• 27:21Drew Afualo?

  It's, yeah, no, it's on Prime, Amazon Prime. It's so cornball, like it's so cornball, but it's like, perfect.

• 27:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:28Drew Afualo?

  Oh.

• 27:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:29Drew Afualo?

  No notes on that show. Whenever there's girls deciding between brothers and they're kind of jumping between. And in my head, in my very logical brain, I'm like, just pick one.

• 27:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:40Drew Afualo?

  After a while, though, when I really think about it, I'm all, I'd fuck around too if that was me. You know, Drew, please.

• 27:49Drew Afualo?

  Listen.

• 27:50Speaker 01

  Oh, my gosh.

• 27:51Drew Afualo?

  I'd have to see.

• 27:54Speaker 01

  You know, like Elena really irritated me, but like I understand the lore.

• 27:58Drew Afualo?

  Me too.

• 27:59Speaker 01

  I guess I get it, but it's just like, we could have, we could have moved with the program a little faster. You had nine seasons.

• 28:06Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, we could have wrapped it up a little sooner.

• 28:07Speaker 01

  Wrap it up, please.

• 28:10Drew Afualo?

  I feel the same way about that, but I was like, I'd fuck around too, shit. I'm talking all that shit, but if that were me, I'd be like, alright, which one am I doing this week? Okay, this next one, it says that you went viral for your darkest shade TikTok series where you test a makeup brand's darkest shade of foundation on her skin. Uh, so when did you start that trend initially? Do you remember?

• 28:31Speaker 01

  I don't know, it's been years. It's been, I think, like three years. I think like a year.

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• 29:09Speaker 01

  It happened to my journey.

• 29:10Drew Afualo?

  Oh, tea.

• 29:11Speaker 01

  Maybe even a year.

• 29:12Drew Afualo?

  Have you noticed it's like really picked up now?

• 29:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, every time I post a video, it was, "Give it 30 minutes. You better hope it's not you."

• 29:20Speaker 01

  Like, "You better hope, honey, but..."

• 29:23Drew Afualo?

  Don't check social.

• 29:24Speaker 01

  Yes, don't.

• 29:27Drew Afualo?

  And then on here, it says that you've been hired as a consultant for major beauty brands like Road and Patrick Ta.

• 29:32Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 29:33Drew Afualo?

  And we talked all about that. What do you like to do for fun? Like something not work-related or running, like a weirdo.

• 29:41Speaker 01

  Let's see, oh, was that a slug? Because...

• 29:46Drew Afualo?

  You like to run like a weirdo.

• 29:48Speaker 01

  Like a weirdo. What do I like to do for fun? That's honestly a great question.

• 29:52Drew Afualo?

  You have no hobbies?

• 29:54Speaker 01

  Me either. Do I have hobbies?

• 29:55Drew Afualo?

  I have no hobbies. Sometimes I think I do, and I'm like, "That's not a hobby, that's work." Like, sometimes I'll tell myself, "I have hobbies."

• 30:02Speaker 01

  But it's work.

• 30:03Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it's something that's making my career better. I'm like, "Well, that's work."

• 30:06Speaker 01

  Yeah. I feel like volleyball. Like, I'll, you know, pick up volleyball every four months.

• 30:11Drew Afualo?

  Quarterly?

• 30:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like a quarterly volleyball session, you know? But that's about it. I like to read sometimes.

• 30:18Drew Afualo?

  What do you like to read?

• 30:19Speaker 01

  Let's see, what am I reading right now? Have you read the new Hunger Games book?

• 30:23Drew Afualo?

  I haven't, no.

• 30:24Speaker 01

  Okay, well, I'm on chapter one. And it's kind of eating, you know?

• 30:29Drew Afualo?

  You said I'm one chapter in, but so far, no complaints?

• 30:32Speaker 01

  No complaints. And we will hope that I can finish it in the next month.

• 30:37Drew Afualo?

  Do you like to, are you like to read fiction or nonfiction?

• 30:40Speaker 01

  Um, I think I'm a little bit of a nonfiction girl.

• 30:42Drew Afualo?

  Okay.

• 30:43Speaker 01

  For sure, like, nonfiction for sure, but I also, like, you know, I was reading, what was I reading, like? Who, who was it? Who was it? This was probably like a year and a half ago, guys. Anyways, I went to a store and I saw my beautiful Miss Viola Davis on a book.

• 30:58Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 30:59Speaker 01

  I had to grab it.

• 31:00Drew Afualo?

  Love her.

• 31:00Speaker 01

  I had to grab it and I was literally reading, reading, reading and I was like, it makes sense why you are the baddest bitch on the planet.

• 31:07Drew Afualo?

  He sprays you in the shirt and you're like, jeez.

• 31:09Speaker 01

  I'm just like, she is really her. You know, so I have moments where I'm like, I'm in my little Viola Davis books and then I have my like self-help books.

• 31:18Drew Afualo?

  Nice.

• 31:19Speaker 01

  But not every day is self-help. Like, it's okay to crash out sometimes.

• 31:24Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, read something fun. Yeah. Well, speaking of women we love, we were just talking about Cowboy Carter. And you already went, you went to opening night, yes?

• 31:30Speaker 01

  I did.

• 31:30Drew Afualo?

  How was it?

• 31:31Speaker 01

  It was great. It was great. And you know what? Like, I am so glad Beyonce said, you know what? You actually don't have to go to math class today, Blue. You know, like, I'm so glad because the way Blue came out, she said, oh, y'all dragged me to filth last year. And she gave hip, she gave hair flip. I said, don't you guys ever play with Blue?

• 31:53Drew Afualo?

  Ever again, ever again. I know choreography is, she upped it times a thousand since Renaissance.

• 31:58Speaker 01

  She ate so bad, I was like, yeah. That was honestly like, like, you know, I love Beyonce, but I was really there for Blue. You know, Blue ate now, and yeah.

• 32:09Drew Afualo?

  Who's like a dream person you would love to meet?

• 32:13Speaker 01

  Honestly, I have to say Ashake.

• 32:16Drew Afualo?

  Ooh, that's a great choice.

• 32:18Speaker 01

  I have to say Ashake, like, after I saw his little interview, what was it? I don't know what it was, but you guys are gonna find it. It was, he was, um, getting ready for something in London, right? I think it was like a GQ interview or something like that.

• 32:29Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 32:29Speaker 01

  I said, you are too icy and fly. I must meet you in this life, like, just one time, so.

• 32:36Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, shoot your shot with whoever you want on here.

• 32:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:39Drew Afualo?

  You, whoever. Do you have anyone else you wanna shoot your shot at? Let's lay it down, lay down the foundation for you.

• 32:44Speaker 01

  I feel like I met Rihanna and that was like.

• 32:46Drew Afualo?

  Ooh, that's fun.

• 32:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:47Drew Afualo?

  Love.

• 32:48Speaker 01

  You know, I will never shut up about that.

• 32:50Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 32:50Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 32:51Drew Afualo?

  I feel the same way.

• 32:52Speaker 01

  That was that. I'm a happy girl. That's it. Ashake, please. Please, just one time.

• 32:59Drew Afualo?

  Just give me five minutes of your time.

• 33:00Speaker 01

  Just five minutes. Okay, like, I got things to say.

• 33:06Drew Afualo?

  I love that. I would love to know too, um, if you have.

• 33:11Speaker 01

  Wait, I have to pause. Wait, please. That rock on your finger.

• 33:15Drew Afualo?

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 33:16Speaker 01

  You're married?

• 33:17Drew Afualo?

  No, I'm engaged.

• 33:18Speaker 01

  Oh, my God, Drew. Why he iced you out like that?

• 33:23Drew Afualo?

  I know, he did a good ass job. Picked it all by himself. Can you believe it?

• 33:26Speaker 01

  I would be my husband.

• 33:30Speaker 01

  I literally am not shutting up. Look at that rock. You need to start off the show with, hey, guys, welcome to.

• 33:36Drew Afualo?

  I know. Every time someone says, oh, my gosh, congratulations on your engagement. I'm always like.

• 33:41Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 33:44Drew Afualo?

  I know. He did a good ass job.

• 33:45Speaker 01

  I literally love it for you. I'm sorry I was blinded. I'm sorry.

• 33:50Drew Afualo?

  I know. When I tell people about it, um, because sometimes people ask me if I knew what I wanted. That's why it looks so pretty. And I was like, no, I didn't send him any pictures of any rings at all. He just built it by himself.

• 34:00Speaker 01

  Oh, he built it.

• 34:02Drew Afualo?

  Went to a jeweler.

• 34:04Speaker 01

  Hello, he built a. I know that's right. I know that's right, Drew.

• 34:10Drew Afualo?

  And then he was like, it's funny too, because the main stone is lab grown, a lab grown diamond.

• 34:15Speaker 01

  Okay, period.

• 34:15Drew Afualo?

  But he was like, well, lab grown because it's better for the environment. I said, it's my fucking king right there.

• 34:20Speaker 01

  Sustainability king.

• 34:23Drew Afualo?

  My sustainable king.

• 34:24Speaker 01

  Yes, yes. I love it. I love this for you.

• 34:28Drew Afualo?

  Thank you so much. Also, do you have an aura ring? You and me both, queen.

• 34:31Speaker 01

  You know.

• 34:32Drew Afualo?

  Not sponsored. I'm obsessed with that motherfucker.

• 34:35Speaker 01

  Because why am I stressed for half of the day? Okay, like, it's not making sense.

• 34:41Drew Afualo?

  I know. I wake up and check that thing like it's the stocks. I check my aura ring up. I'm like, what score did I get today?

• 34:47Speaker 01

  What's going on? Um, she sends me notifications a bit too much. I don't want to stand up right now, actually. You know, like, let a girl rest.

• 34:56Drew Afualo?

  They're like, stretch your legs a little bit. Mind your business, queen. I know. Mine sent me an alert this morning that said, your period might start today. I said, oh. Girl, you're in my business too much.

• 35:07Speaker 01

  But you know what? I think that's like the best feature.

• 35:08Drew Afualo?

  I do love it.

• 35:09Speaker 01

  Is like, it'll tell you when you're in your luteal phase and like flick your face.

• 35:12Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 35:13Speaker 01

  That's why I'm a brat right now.

• 35:16Drew Afualo?

  Oh, that's why I'm in such a bad mood.

• 35:18Speaker 01

  It's making sense.

• 35:19Drew Afualo?

  I was telling my therapist that because I told her I got the oring to track my stress from work and sleep to make sure I take better care of myself and my period. And I was telling her, I was like, yeah, I'm like having it tracked, but sometimes I feel like it tells me too many things.

• 35:33Speaker 01

  Right.

• 35:35Drew Afualo?

  I was like, okay, act like you know me.

• 35:37Speaker 01

  Right. I don't care about no rim. All I know is I try.

• 35:42Drew Afualo?

  Like, please.

• 35:47Drew Afualo?

  Uh, do you have any big goals for yourself? Like, any dream things you want to accomplish? You've accomplished so much in such a short amount of time.

• 35:53Speaker 01

  Literally.

• 35:54Drew Afualo?

  Which is incredible.

• 35:55Speaker 01

  You know us. It was really like, four thirty and thirty was one of them. First of all, twenty-three first South Sudo babe on that list. That's, for me, I was like, yeah, I did the thing. And then honestly, just like a really successful makeup brand in the future. It might be when I'm thirty, it might be when I'm forty. Don't ask too many questions.

• 36:13Drew Afualo?

  No, but, yeah, I think that's really it. And also just like, guys, when I pop off the face of this internet, I don't want to hear nothing. Like, I don't want to hear nothing. I believe that about you, though.

• 36:24Speaker 01

  Oh, I will.

• 36:24Drew Afualo?

  I love that about you, though. Uh, you're just like me. It's like, this isn't, nothing's holding me here, like, other than just desire. Right.

• 36:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. The girls, we've had enough.

• 36:34Drew Afualo?

  When the want, when the want goes away.

• 36:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, for sure. Because I just feel like I want to live a life not being constantly overly perceived at one point in my life. Like, I'm gonna delete the socia's and I'm gonna go live in a bungalow, you know?

• 36:49Drew Afualo?

  That, that's so true. I love that about you. And that's the beautiful thing. I honestly think too, that's a big reason why, uh, the universe rewards people like you, other than you just being very important and talented. I think it's too, it's like you, it's not making who you are. It's just something that happened to you. And I think that's a beautiful thing.

• 37:08Speaker 01

  It's a beautiful thing. And I'm like, I'm so grateful, but there comes a point.

• 37:12Drew Afualo?

  There comes a point. It's the little point. Wrap it up. You know, like, let's wrap it up. Yeah, the hate is crazy. And that's something I want to commend you on too, because it is fucking hard. Especially dealing with hate, just in general, online is a lot, but dealing with hate as a marginalized person. And also as someone who is brave and speaks their mind like you do.

• 37:31Speaker 01

  Thanks, babe.

• 37:31Drew Afualo?

  And is also like. Unafraid to be themselves and share their very honest opinions and still show up every day. It's fucking hard being the first. It's really hard.

• 37:41Speaker 01

  It is, it is.

• 37:42Drew Afualo?

  So I commend you.

• 37:43Speaker 01

  We'll take a nap. Boom, guys. Don't worry. And I commend you because they be. But you know what? You be dragging us. You be on their ass. And I love it because I just don't understand why people think that they can talk to influencers anyhow and not expect us to like.

• 38:02Drew Afualo?

  However they want.

• 38:03Speaker 01

  Am I not human?

• 38:04Drew Afualo?

  For real.

• 38:05Speaker 01

  Is this blood that is pumping through my body not the same blood pumping through yours?

• 38:08Drew Afualo?

  Right, exactly.

• 38:09Speaker 01

  Like, it just, it doesn't make any sense. And then it's just like, I feel like too, because I would never go out of my way to leave an insane hate comment, like.

• 38:16Drew Afualo?

  Me either. Like, I would never in my life do that.

• 38:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, why are you calling me a gorilla? It's not making sense.

• 38:24Drew Afualo?

  It's not making sense. Truly, like, what's the thought process? Like, I, and it's truly like, I know the feeling you're talking about, which is like, I can't even relate.

• 38:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:33Drew Afualo?

  To that level of loser. I can't relate. I never in my life have I had that desire.

• 38:37Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 38:39Drew Afualo?

  Like, does that mean I've never thought mean things? No.

• 38:41Speaker 01

  But keep it to yourself.

• 38:44Drew Afualo?

  Rock it up. Bring back secrets.

• 38:46Speaker 01

  Hello?

• 38:46Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, thoughts.

• 38:47Speaker 01

  And critical thinking.

• 38:50Speaker 01

  Please, like, it is just getting to the point too where it's also just like, you have millions of followers, like, there's only so much that you can like control. But one thing about me, I will not post for two weeks. Like, I will take a month off.

• 39:01Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 39:02Speaker 01

  Because I don't care.

• 39:04Drew Afualo?

  And this isn't what you signed up for. Like, it's like, they, when it gets twisted and warped into something it's not supposed to be, or wasn't the intention of your content in the first place. It's like, what are we doing?

• 39:13Speaker 01

  Exactly. I'm not.

• 39:14Drew Afualo?

  I'm not here for this.

• 39:15Speaker 01

  On this earth to perform. Girl, if I don't want to be on the internet for three weeks, I will not be on the internet for three weeks. Everyone's always like, oh, like, I haven't seen you on, you know, the FYP page in such a long time. And I'm like, yeah, because I don't, I don't want to be on it. Like, you know what I wanted to do? I wanted to go on a walk for three weeks and mind my business. And I do that. And I think that's honestly like, creators could honestly do a lot more of that. It's like,

• 39:36Drew Afualo?

  I agree.

• 39:37Speaker 01

  You don't have to explain why you want to take a break. Just get off the internet. If you want to get off the internet.

• 39:40Drew Afualo?

  Absolutely. And, and stick to it too. It's like, it's imperative. And I feel like with you doing that, I think that's a beautiful thing, especially since you had the year that you had last year, you're still prioritizing you. That's a beautiful thing. I think that's wonderful. Hold on to it forever.

• 39:59Drew Afualo?

  And I'm so fucking happy that you came to hang out with us today, but before we kind of sign off, I'd love to know if you have any advice for any girls who are looking into the beauty space, or maybe don't feel represented like we talked about and feel discouraged trying to find new things. Uh, do you have any advice for them?

• 40:17Speaker 01

  Honestly, I feel like my number one piece of advice is talk your shit. Like, at the end of the day, like, these are your lived in experiences and it's not for anybody else to police. And once you have like solidified that your validation is validation that you solidify in yourself. You're the one that says, oh, okay, this is true to me. This happened to me. I'm feeling this way and I can feel this way. No one can tell you anything. Like, you need to continue to exist unapologetically for yourself. Talk your shit. It's okay to like not always bow down to the status quo.

• 40:52Speaker 01

  Let's, let's shake it up a little bit. What's in day of say? Shake it up.

• 40:59Speaker 01

  You know, so that's all I have for the girls. Like, exist unapologetically for your black ass self.

• 41:06Speaker 01

  Just move, you know, it's okay to be an airhead too. I think sometimes sometimes it's not every day have a think piece. Be an airhead too, whenever you want to sprinkle it in there.

• 41:17Drew Afualo?

  We need that. I need a break. Let me be stupid for one second.

• 41:23Speaker 01

  And allow yourself to make mistakes. Like influencers also too, like, I think we get held to like an insane standard sometimes.

• 41:30Drew Afualo?

  I agree, yeah.

• 41:30Speaker 01

  But it's like, a lot of these influencers that are doing it, like content creators, like they really are twenty-two, they really are twenty-three, they really are twenty-one. They really are still in high school and college. You're learning, you're gonna make mistakes and give yourself the grace to do that. And if people are not there to grow with you, well, well, well.

• 41:49Drew Afualo?

  Well, good luck finding someone who, who fucking hasn't made a mistake. I mean, good luck with that. Wishing you all the best on that journey.

• 41:57Drew Afualo?

  My last advice question for you is, do you have any advice for brands who you think like, if they would like to and should want to do better, how can they do better?

• 42:07Speaker 01

  Get in that lab.

• 42:10Speaker 01

  That's where it starts. That's where it should end. Get in that lab.

• 42:15Drew Afualo?

  Go speak to a non-white person.

• 42:16Speaker 01

  You know, like, just for one day, let's step out

• 42:21Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 42:22Speaker 01

  of our own shoe and go explore. Okay, and you know, once we really sit down as a whole and say,

• 42:32Speaker 01

  I can do better. Things change.

• 42:34Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 42:35Speaker 01

  I can do better and be willing to do better. I think brands are just like really, you know, we live in a capitalist society.

• 42:42Drew Afualo?

  Right, I know what you mean.

• 42:44Speaker 01

  I get it, you wanna make your money, but at the end of the day, all I have to say is, don't let me catch you.

• 42:52Drew Afualo?

  And that's fine, just don't let me get your, uh, product.

• 42:55Speaker 01

  Yes, that's it, and don't send it to me either, I don't want it.

• 42:58Drew Afualo?

  Okay, please. I love that, I fucking love you.

• 43:02Speaker 01

  I love you too.

• 43:03Drew Afualo?

  I think you're amazing.

• 43:04Speaker 01

  You too, babe.

• 43:04Drew Afualo?

  And I really do wanna give you your flowers for being so incredible, and I, and I know too, um, that the internet can be so perverse and fucking evil, especially to black women. So I think you are so essential to the like, integrity of the internet, I really mean that. It's like, people like you really are what shift social media and like shift cultural impact, and I think it's imperative that people like you have platforms, so I'm so glad that you do.

• 43:29Speaker 01

  Thank you, and you too, and I hope you continue to eat the girls up, one think piece at a time.

• 43:33Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I will. I'll make all the think pieces for you.

• 43:35Speaker 01

  Please, like, please, you know, and, you know, these men need to mind your business.

• 43:42Drew Afualo?

  Girl.

• 43:43Speaker 01

  I will always say that.

• 43:44Drew Afualo?

  Let me know when they start. When they start, I'll be out of a job, then I can retire.

• 43:49Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 43:50Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, they can retire me by doing that.

• 43:52Speaker 01

  Real, real, come on.

• 43:55Drew Afualo?

  Well, thank you so much for coming on the show, I fucking love you.

• 43:57Speaker 01

  Love you too.

• 43:58Drew Afualo?

  You're the best. Thank you all so much for tuning in. Before we go though, where can everybody find you?

• 44:03Speaker 01

  On socials, Instagram, YouTube, TikTok, it's just @gloria, it's just my name.

• 44:09Drew Afualo?

  Period. And it's Gloria, by the way.

• 44:12Speaker 01

  Thank you, because you guys, some of you guys just be butchering. It's really, it's so simple, you know, but find me there, follow me or don't, but live your best life, so.

• 44:23Drew Afualo?

  Period. Love that. And thank you all so much for joining us on this episode of the comment section. Don't forget, new episodes drop every Wednesday. You can stream the audio on all streaming platforms, but the video is for free and exclusively on our favorite platform, Spotify. Thank you so much to my amazing guest Gloria. Make sure you follow her on literally everything. And thank you all so much for joining. I'll see you next week. Bye.

• 44:42Speaker 01

  Bye.