NFL Draft Recap & Blake Griffin on NBA Playoffs, Retirement, Kobe Stories, Lob City & More | Ep 189

92%ers, welcome to another episode of New Heights brought to you by Xfinity! On today’s episode, we find out if we’ve got beef with Meryl Streep, Jason and Travis give their thoughts on the Chiefs and Eagles draft classes, and we debate if Fernando should start or sit his rookie year. We’ve also got an incredible conversation with NBA legend, Blake Griffin! We get his thoughts on the NBA playoffs, how he’s enjoying life in the broadcast studio, the moment he knew his football career wasn’t going to work, what it’s like to get drafted with your brother, favorite Kobe story, his thoughts on MJ vs LeBron, what’s next for his comedy career, and more! Check out Blake Griffin on The NBA on Prime https://www.primevideo.com/detail/0K18UYC3L8XP43L13WLYXA746F/ref=atv_dp_share_cu_r You can still pre-order our book “No Dumb Questions” at https://www.harpercollins.com/pages/nodumbquestions New Heights will be Live in Los Angeles at The Orpheum Theatre on June 15th. General Tickets go on sale April 27th. https://www.ticketmaster.com/event/09006491EE43FB93 Watch and listen to new episodes of New Heights every Wednesday during the NFL season and follow us on Social Media for all the best moments from the show: https://lnk.to/newheightshow You can also listen to new episodes on Wondery, Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. . . . Download the full podcast here: Wondery: https://wondery.app.link/s9hHTgtXpMb Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-heights/id1643745036 Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/1y3SUbFMUSESC1N43tBleK?si=LsuQ4a5MRN6wGMcfVcuynw Send something to the New Heights Mailbox. Don’t be weird though. C/O New Heights Productions 135 E OLIVE AVE, BURBANK, CA 91502 Support the show: XFINITY: Sponsored by Xfinity. Get the most reliable, fiber-powered WiFi from Xfinity at one price for 5 years, guaranteed. Plus, get online in minutes with same-day WiFi. Visit xfinity.com http://xfinity.com to get it now. Xfinity Imagine That. AMERICAN EXPRESS: Unlocking access and elevating the fan experience–not only does it feel right, but it’s membership at its best. Terms apply. Learn more about Amex ‘s partnership with the NFL and Premium Events Collection at https://go.amex/nfl REESE’S: Try the Reese’s Strawberry PB&J Cup and the new Reese’s Marshmallow Cup today, for a limited time only. EXPEDIA: The one place you go to go places. https://www.expedia.com/ PLANET FITNESS: Best-in- class equipment and a space for every kind of strength. We're All Strong on this Planet™ Learn more at http://planetfitness.com/ ALLSTATE: Check Allstate first for a quote that could save you hundreds: https://allstate.com/ See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  To realize the future America needs, we understand what's needed from us to face each threat head on. We've earned our place in the fight for our nation's future. We are Marines. We were made for this.

• 0:14Speaker 01

  Thank you to our partner, Royal Caribbean.

• 0:17Travis Kelce?

  Dude, have you seen this? Royal Caribbean just dropped the Legend of the Seas. It's the biggest cruise ship on the planet. Like, nothing's even close to being this big. And it's sailing out of Fort Lauderdale, starting this November.

• 0:32Speaker 01

  That's right. This thing is stacked. Seven pools, more places to eat than you can even count. I mean, they have something for everybody.

• 0:41Travis Kelce?

  Like, bring the kids, bring mom and dad, shoot, bring the whole crew. Everybody's got a spot. That's what makes it special.

• 0:48Speaker 01

  And the entertainment, Latin music, ice skating, full-on Broadway shows. It's pretty amazing. Pretty much everything you want in one place. Oh, and did I mention there's a water park?

• 0:58Travis Kelce?

  You didn't, and that's, that'd be the kicker for me.

• 1:00Speaker 01

  I love a water park.

• 1:01Travis Kelce?

  But the crazy one? Crown's Edge, a ropes course off the side of the ship. Not for the faint of heart, brother.

• 1:10Speaker 01

  They've also got Playmaker Sports Bar and Arcade, so that means games on every screen. I love a good arcade sports place combination.

• 1:19Travis Kelce?

  All right, Captain, get the family on the new Legend of the Seas, sailing November 2026 from Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

• 1:27Speaker 01

  Visit royalcaribbean.com to learn more. Like, I told you that I'm trying to dunk for the first time in my life, right?

• 1:33Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah, that's right. How's it going?

• 1:35Speaker 01

  Well, I tore my quad.

• 1:37Travis Kelce?

  So not good.

• 1:38Speaker 01

  I was doing quarter squats of that and then jumping up on the box. And it was working. My initial height of running and jumping was like 10'6". Like, it was embarrassing start. I was up over 10'10".

• 1:47Travis Kelce?

  That's plank. Can you palm the ball?

• 1:49Speaker 01

  No, see, I got little.

• 1:55Speaker 01

  How did you learn to jump so high? What were the, what are the techniques that you implemented to jump over human beings?

• 2:02Travis Kelce?

  I gotta be honest, man, having a black dad helped. I gotta say, the quarter squat box jump combo wasn't really in my.

• 2:12Speaker 01

  You didn't have to resort to that. I've been doing this thing called the penultimate step. Have you ever heard of the penultimate step?

• 2:19Speaker 01

  I'm gonna stop talking. I'm just gonna do your intro. All right, here we go.

• 2:29Travis Kelce?

  Welcome back to New Heights, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls. Oh, Jason's fired up. You should be too, because this is a wonder show brought to you by Xfinity. We are your hosts. I'm Travis Kelce. This is my big brother, Jason Kelce, out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio. Shout out to the University of Cincinnati. Shout out to the Tigers back in the Heights. Subscribe on YouTube, wherever you get your podcasts, and follow the show on all social media, at New Heights Show with one S. Jason, please tell everybody what we got coming up today.

• 2:56Speaker 01

  Magic Reporters, we got an amazing episode geared up for you guys today. We are gonna talk a little bit about the draft from this past week, obviously covering heavily Chiefs and Eagles picks. We're also gonna get into a little out of the house at NASCAR. Don't know if you saw that. Hence the Talladega. Oh, and as well, we have Blake Griffin joining us. That's right. The NBA playoffs are underway. So we decided we get the funniest, most talented basketball analysts out there, well, outside of Charles Barkley. Sorry, sorry, Blake.

• 3:24Travis Kelce?

  Dude, he's the fucking best. I can't wait to dive in with Blake, man. He's one of my fucking favorite people on earth, man.

• 3:29Speaker 01

  He is the best. We're gonna talk NBA playoffs, his incredible dunking abilities, as well as somebody else trying to dunk, and more. So before we get to that, let's get to some of that new news.

• 3:42Travis Kelce?

  Coming in.

• 3:42Speaker 01

  New news is brought to you by American Express. We won a Webby Award. How about that?

• 3:47Travis Kelce?

  Oh.

• 3:49Speaker 01

  Though, very prestigious. Webby.

• 3:53Travis Kelce?

  Nice, man.

• 3:54Speaker 01

  Jason and Travis Kelce won the People's Voice Award for Sports Shows Podcast. Thank you to all the Magic Reporters. Kylie also won an award. Kylie won an award. NGL, the real ones, voted her podcast. Wait, do they vote on that? Mike, I gotta light down, light down, Mike. So this is voted on?

• 4:14Travis Kelce?

  You got a lighting.

• 4:15Speaker 01

  Or is this just given? Well, Mike does a lot more than lighting, but yeah, for right now he is a lighting guy.

• 4:21Travis Kelce?

  What is this, the hotel table lamp?

• 4:23Speaker 01

  That's a hundred percent. Yeah, I'm on LA, baby. I'm doing, I'm trying to sling our garage beer. Leave me alone. All right. Anyways, New Heights of Jason and Travis Kelce won the People's Voice Award for sports shows, parentheses, podcasts, very prestigious award. Kylie also won the award with NGL. They won podcast of the year.

• 4:40Travis Kelce?

  Whoa.

• 4:41Speaker 01

  Which I believe is a bigger award than we received.

• 4:43Travis Kelce?

  It's probably the biggest award that they have there.

• 4:45Speaker 01

  Very cool, very cool.

• 4:46Travis Kelce?

  Shout out to Kai running away with it. I love it.

• 4:48Speaker 01

  That's right. That's right. Shout out to everybody on the staff over there. Emma, everybody else that has their footprints on the show. You guys have been killing it all year. Way to go. Yeah. And thank you to all the nice super centers that voted us. We very much appreciate it.

• 5:02Speaker 01

  Travis, onto the next bit of new news.

• 5:05Travis Kelce?

  What's that?

• 5:06Speaker 01

  Do we have beef with Meryl Streep?

• 5:08Travis Kelce?

  I hope she doesn't have beef with me.

• 5:09Speaker 01

  Let's play this clip, gentlemen, Travis.

• 5:12Travis Kelce?

  I'm a fan of Meryl Streep. I don't have any beef with her.

• 5:15Speaker 01

  You, you might want to wait until you see this clip. Travis got called out for some reason in Devil Wears Prada 2's promo video.

• 5:21Travis Kelce?

  Oh shit.

• 5:22Speaker 03

  The hardest thing about Shaken Malone was walking in stilettos on the cobblestones. I'd like to see Travis Kelce do that.

• 5:30Travis Kelce?

  Oh, what? What?

• 5:32Speaker 01

  Trev.

• 5:33Travis Kelce?

  Oh, Meryl, you have no idea how good I am at walking in heels. Okay?

• 5:41Speaker 01

  I think we should recreate this. I think, I think we should put this to the test, not recreate.

• 5:45Travis Kelce?

  We're gonna have to find some size 14 heels first.

• 5:48Speaker 01

  Okay. Well, we can have those custom made. I'm sure there's some WNBA players that can put us on to some spots.

• 5:52Travis Kelce?

  What's the heel though? Is a heel, cause I wear like Chelsea boots or those heels?

• 5:56Speaker 01

  No, no, it's gonna be a stiletto. It's gonna be a pointy bottom. That's why it's hard.

• 5:58Travis Kelce?

  You're right. I'll give credit where credit's due. I don't, I don't think I can do it, Meryl. I'll let you, I'll let you have it.

• 6:03Speaker 01

  What are you, a quitter? You're a quitter? You're just gonna give up to Meryl Streep?

• 6:06Travis Kelce?

  No, I just don't think.

• 6:08Speaker 01

  You're a world-class athlete, Travis.

• 6:09Travis Kelce?

  Italy and walk in stilettos. Meryl Streep has quite.

• 6:14Speaker 01

  Meryl?

• 6:14Travis Kelce?

  The resume.

• 6:15Speaker 01

  Well, she has a resume. That doesn't mean she's better at walking in stilettos than you just because she's a famous actress. Travis, we're competitors in the.

• 6:21Travis Kelce?

  I can kind of correlate that, yeah.

• 6:22Speaker 01

  We don't bow down to anybody.

• 6:24Travis Kelce?

  When it's Meryl Streep, you kind of do. You just gotta like bow down.

• 6:26Speaker 01

  Well, listen, if she was saying acting ability, I would get it.

• 6:31Travis Kelce?

  Completely get it. To be fair, I would be acting if I had heels on, so.

• 6:35Speaker 01

  Good point. That's a good point. All right. We're not going to put it to the test, apparently.

• 6:40Travis Kelce?

  I'm not. I'm gonna let you have that one, Merle. Can't wait to see Devil Wears Product 2, though. The first one was a banger. I know this one's gonna be epic.

• 6:48Speaker 01

  No dumb questions. Now that he has been called out by Meryl Streep, does Travis Kelce think he can walk on cobblestone with high heels? Well, we're never gonna find out, Kitty.

• 6:56Travis Kelce?

  I'll tell you what, Merle. If I ever find myself in Italy on that cobblestone, I'll try and find a size 14 and we'll put it to the test. All right, now, Jason, you're a Talladega champ. You and Ricky Bobby.

• 7:09Speaker 01

  That is correct. I am. I am a Talladega champ. That's right. I went down there on behalf of Hendrick Motorsports. I was been filming some things over at their headquarters in Charlotte. I've been doing some exercises to really learn what it's like to compete in the sport of NASCAR. I went out there. I trained with the athletes. I was doing, learning their techniques. All the things that go into coordinating a pit stop. These guys are changing tires, gassing these cars all the way up and sometimes under the nine seconds on a stop. They'll change all four tires, put gas in the vehicle, and then get it out on its way. It's remarkable. The coordination and timing and expertise that goes into that. I also went out on the track with William Byron, who drove me around at over 190 miles an hour

• 7:54Speaker 01

  around the Charlotte Motor Speedway, which was fucking awesome and terrifying all at the same time. I then got to drive my own vehicle. They did not let me drive 190 miles per hour, but I still drove faster than I've ever driven in my life.

• 8:06Travis Kelce?

  Ooh, how fast you go? How fast you go?

• 8:08Speaker 01

  They do it by RPM. So I was driving, this thing had a regulator on it that capped you at 5,000 RPMs. And they said at one point I went 140. Everybody else I was going 120. So I'm somewhere between 120 and 140.

• 8:18Travis Kelce?

  Oh, that's nothing.

• 8:20Speaker 01

  You've done way faster.

• 8:21Travis Kelce?

  I was going 135 in a caravan when I was in high school. That thing's flying around.

• 8:26Speaker 01

  Caravans do not go 145, I guarantee that.

• 8:29Travis Kelce?

  They go, they go 135 and they shake back and forth when you get up over 120. It's kind of a little dicey. They're not as aerodynamic as you think they are.

• 8:38Speaker 01

  Uh, anyways, the last bit of it was the Go to Talladega and to be with the pit crew with Corey Day's team, the 17 car with Hendrick Motorsports. And it was incredible. I got to see it firsthand, what it's like on race day, how they set up everything. These pit crews, man, they're in charge of setting everything up on pit road, right? There's five of these guys that are doing all these jobs. The jack man has to run out there, jack up the car, take the new tire, put it on after the changer has taken off the the front right. He has to put the front right tire on immediately after that, then the changer while he's bolting that thing on. He's taking the jack off, running around, jacking up the other side, doing it over there. And all this stuff is happening and it's the dance that is taking place of speed, strength, athleticism, coordination.

• 9:23Speaker 01

  It is remarkable what those guys do each and every stop. On top of that, the drivers, everything they're doing to gain position, especially at Talladega. Their like foot is on the gas the entire race. They do, it is, you are wide open. The track is angled at like 33 degrees. So you are just like zooming around that thing. And a lot of it comes down to drifting and it's a very technical race. From that standpoint, so Corey Day, first time ever racing at Talladega, ended up winning, winning the race. Our driver, and I'll tell you what, what they had me doing, I was a sign man. So you put the sign down on pit road, that lets the driver know where to stop at. Sometimes you might want to stop it short. Sometimes you might want to stop it where he normally stops at.

• 10:07Speaker 01

  Sometimes you want to stop a little wide. So we did a short wide stop. So it was a pretty technical job of the sign guy.

• 10:14Travis Kelce?

  Get this fucking sign guy out of here. Dude, I just have, I have like one question.

• 10:18Speaker 01

  That wasn't my only job. Then they would have me being the gas, I don't even know if there's a title for it, but I was passing the fuel in. And let me tell you, we won first place. I was the best fucking gas can passer on pit road that day, baby. Champions. No, baby.

• 10:33Travis Kelce?

  This guy's sick. It was a Saturday race though, right?

• 10:36Speaker 01

  It was not the cup series. It was not the cup series, the big dog.

• 10:39Travis Kelce?

  Still, still, still though. And for him to have his first race to Talladega and him come away with with a podium was pretty dope.

• 10:47Speaker 01

  That was the coolest thing. Obviously this kid, he's a really good sprint car racer. He's won a bunch of races in that world. Now on the O'Reilly series, first race at Talladega, gets his first win there. It was so electric down there. And just happy for him getting out the gates like that, man. That's an awesome moment. And it was cool. It was cool to just watch. It was cool to be a part of. Obviously, my contribution was pretty much nothing. But you know what? I still get to say I'm a NASCAR champion, baby.

• 11:16Travis Kelce?

  Why did they put a Scully on you? Why are you a Scuba Steve in it, man?

• 11:19Speaker 01

  It's a good question. If you're behind the car, near the gas at all, everybody back there has to be in 100% flameproof clothing. So your shoes, your socks.

• 11:30Travis Kelce?

  You don't have it on your beard.

• 11:31Speaker 01

  You're right. I actually think technically I was not following code. I think that that thing was supposed to be over my beard.

• 11:36Travis Kelce?

  Flag on the play. Take the, take the medal away from him.

• 11:39Speaker 01

  Don't you do this, Travis. Don't you do this. But I'll say that not only were we there on behalf of Hendrick Motorsports to witness what it's like to be in a pit crew, to see a race firsthand, to hear in the radio, everything that's happening between the driver and the pit crew and the chief. We were also there to just experience Talladega. And to be, it was my first time at a NASCAR event. And it was awesome. All the other teams, the way it's set up, the people that were there, the energy. Like when you watch it on TV, it does not do it justice. And everybody's said that to me for years. I went to the Indy 500 in college, felt similarly, but it's, there's a level of having all of your senses engaged in watching these machines operate at this level.

• 12:25Speaker 01

  That takes over you when you're there live. Like you feel, you literally feel these cars coming by you. Not just the wind, the revving of the motors, right? That you feel the ground moving and shaking in some ways. Like it is a, it is a very sensory driven experience. Whether you're in there, whether you're out there sitting on an RV watching outside of it. It was fun. It was, it was a blast, especially now that I know more about it, rather than just watching them go around and circling and be like, I don't know how most of this works.

• 12:57Travis Kelce?

  These guys are really good at taking left turns.

• 12:59Speaker 01

  Somebody crosses it when the, when the checkered flag's going. But yeah, awesome experience. Really appreciate them welcoming me in to kind of train with them and see what it's like firsthand. These changers, my guy Rod and Jafar freaking, they got five bolts. They got the single lug in the cup series. It's just one lug in the cup series. They're getting five of these things off, taking it on. I mean, it's, it's wild. It's a good time.

• 13:24Travis Kelce?

  Hell yeah, man. And Hendrick's is obviously, I mean, they're, they're one of the top dogs every single year going, going around the NASCAR circuit.

• 13:30Speaker 01

  That's right. Shout out to Jeff Gordon.

• 13:31Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, hell yeah. My guy Clint Boyer's been in the facility. He's a good friends with Brett Veach and he's obviously a part of Hendrick's too. And it's a fascinating league and it got even more interesting since Michael Jordan's come in. I know they had that lawsuit. It's been amazing seeing 23 Racing take the fuck off this year. I mean, I'm pretty sure they've won the majority of the races so far. I know he won, I think the first three, four, maybe even like six out of 10 or something like that. Those guys are absolutely rolling over there.

• 14:00Speaker 01

  Have them a good year for sure.

• 14:01Travis Kelce?

  And it's been cool to see him kind of take his greatness and, and have it rub off onto the NASCAR world a little bit. Yeah, it's just, it's such a fascinating sport. And I'm telling you guys, if you guys ever go to a NASCAR event, man, you are not going to be disappointed. That thing is alive. It is rocking. It is not just people just sitting around watching the cars go by. Everybody is engaged and there's things around the track and inside the track that you can get it, you can have some fun with as well. You know, I think it's just a, it's the ultimate weekend party if you can get to one of these things.

• 14:34Speaker 01

  For sure. And the boulevard is equally as fun after the race. Highly recommend.

• 14:39Travis Kelce?

  Well, last bit of new news we got is George Kittle with like a Jason Kelce intro for his alarm clock every single morning.

• 14:47Speaker 01

  That's interesting. Okay, okay.

• 14:49Travis Kelce?

  He tweeted out, can I get a custom one of these introductions for my alarm clock every morning, please? George, we can make this happen. You're gonna have to come on the show though, baby. Let's go.

• 14:57Speaker 01

  That's what I was gonna say.

• 14:59Travis Kelce?

  Give my guy Kittle on the show, man.

• 15:01Speaker 01

  But you gotta come on, George. We've been waiting for this.

• 15:06Travis Kelce?

  Get my guy on here, have some fun, man.

• 15:08Speaker 01

  We've had so many legendary tight ends and we still haven't had George Cup on. Now he just wants me to give him an intro. No, you gotta be a 92% of first, George. That's how this works.

• 15:18Travis Kelce?

  Oh, man. It's crazy. I'm so like the closest people to me. I haven't like invited on the show yet.

• 15:25Travis Kelce?

  The fucking worst, man.

• 15:26Speaker 01

  Well, you just, you don't like the presumption, right? You don't try to push it. You don't wanna like.

• 15:33Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, I don't like asking people.

• 15:35Speaker 01

  You're polite, Cleveland-er. You don't wanna impose. It's very standard.

• 15:40Travis Kelce?

  You know?

• 15:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I think George would like to come on the show. He's clearly, I mean, he's asking to come on the show at this, right?

• 15:45Travis Kelce?

  Sounds like, sounds like he's, he just wants an intro and, um, George.

• 15:49Speaker 01

  He doesn't wanna come on the show. He wants to, he wants to skirt the show and just get the invite.

• 15:53Travis Kelce?

  Just get these kind of things. You don't get it. You have to, you have to come on the show, George.

• 15:57Speaker 01

  Would love to, love to give you an intro, George.

• 15:59Travis Kelce?

  Get my guy Kittle on here, man.

• 16:01Speaker 01

  Anytime you want that you also do us a solid to come on the show. Absolutely. All right. In case you missed it, we did have a couple of episodes dropped last week. There's a lot happening with the draft, a lot of NFL news coming out, but we did drop a Charlize Theron episode. We also dropped a bonus episode with, uh, my former offensive line coach, Jeff Stoutland. They are both out there. If you want to check them out.

• 16:24Travis Kelce?

  Obviously Charlize Theron's pushing, uh, the, the unbelievable movie Apex. It is a fucking thriller that you are not gonna wanna miss. And then obviously Jeff Stoutland, man. One of, one of the best ever do it and a near dear friend to Jason, obviously. It was just cool to sit down and hear his stories, man.

• 16:39Speaker 01

  And it wasn't just Stout. You know, we had, um, Malata come on too. Selig was on there. We did a little round table. Trav and I talked to him. I really wanted it to try and be a celebration of his whole career and some of the things he's done and meant to certain people. Obviously Malata had a, that clip did really well. One of the things that I think, you know, I think is being taken. A little bit the wrong way. I do want to say this because it feels like it's getting out there is like he mentioned, you know, I asked him, you know, what went wrong last season and his answer by a lot of people, because he said, you know, you got to call the right play in the right defense. That's being made to look as though that's a dig solely at Kevin Patula. I really think if you look at the whole quote, if you look at the whole quote, and this is the way stout is, you know, the whole quote is really referencing

• 17:23Speaker 01

  the players and the coaches. He talks about executing the plays, execution, and then calling, not calling bad plays into bad defenses. And although Patula was the play caller, I know stout and like, everybody's involved in that game plan. Everybody's involved in building that thing. So the plays in them getting called, really all he's saying there is to be successful in football, it comes down to the players executing and the coaches putting the players in the best position possible. And last year, that didn't happen. That's what I was trying to say with that quote. So whatever.

• 17:54Travis Kelce?

  Just so you 92 percenters understand, the offensive coordinator is, is given the responsibility of putting the game plan together, right? He is, he is a huge, huge, huge part of putting the pass game together, matching it up with the run game that is put together. But there are different, like, the offensive coaching staff comes together and somebody's given the run game, somebody's given the pass game, somebody's given the play action game, somebody's given the screen game. There are people that are, that are putting in their input on the, on the, what the red zone looks like versus what backed up looks like when you're, when you're backed up to your own red zone. Like this is a, this is, this isn't just one guy putting together a game and everybody following lead. You know

• 18:37Travis Kelce?

  what I mean? Like this is, it is, it is everybody on the same understanding that this is the best thing for us to attack the team that we're playing this week. So to throw it all on one person, first of all, stout would never fucking do that. And second of all, for people to make that assumption, I think is pretty unfair.

• 18:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, I get it because he said calling plays, but that's not the intention of it. A lot of people just, like you said, don't understand what goes into all the plays that happen on a game day. All right. That's it for new news brought to you by American Express.

• 19:09Travis Kelce?

  Thanks to our presenting sponsor, Xfinity.

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• 19:22Travis Kelce?

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• 19:56Travis Kelce?

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• 20:07Travis Kelce?

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• 21:10Travis Kelce?

  Okay, another Cleveland-er on the Reese's train. I see you, dog.

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• 21:20Travis Kelce?

  Wow, ballplayer right there if I've ever seen one.

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• 21:53Speaker 01

  Hi. I see what you did there. I see what you did. I see what you're doing there.

• 22:00Travis Kelce?

  You're insane. Well, how about we get into some NFL draft recap, Jason? How about it, huh?

• 22:07Speaker 01

  I love that idea, Travis.

• 22:10Travis Kelce?

  I had a feeling you'd be down. Draft recap is brought to you by Expedia. The one place you go to go places. Chiefs picks, we, uh, we moved up to pick six. We had the ninth pick and the 29th pick and, uh, we traded up for, uh, the best DB in the draft, baby.

• 22:27Speaker 01

  Nice. He almost like he knew it was coming. Is that a red suit? He was in a red suit?

• 22:32Travis Kelce?

  No, I think the red light is on him. I think it was more of like a...

• 22:35Speaker 01

  It's making it look more.

• 22:36Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, it was more of like, what's that color? Like a, uh...

• 22:39Speaker 01

  I don't know. I'm terrible with colors.

• 22:41Travis Kelce?

  Like a dusty rose. Um, but DB Mancheur is down there, Louisiana guy, I believe. Went to LSU and this face was made when he saw the Chiefs trade up. So he knew he was going to a pretty respectable team once this happened. And I'm sure he got the call when he saw him going up. Uh, Delane on getting drafted by the Chiefs. A lot of top 10 teams, they're really not too good, but that's not the situation here. We have a championship team, just had one little down year, um, but we're right back at it. And that's what I'm talking about, baby. Already coming with the fucking mindset of being a fucking top team. I absolutely love it. We had the first round pick, the 29th pick, as well as moving up to get Delane. Clemson D and Peter Woods at 29 and I'm pretty pumped about getting somebody on the

• 23:25Travis Kelce?

  other side of Chris Jones there on the D line. Obviously, speed is out the is out the world at how big he is. And I think he's going to fit right in and Spags scheme here.

• 23:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, listen, I think that's one of the beautiful things about Spags Spags scheme. He can find guys that really fit what he envisions within the defense. He's always very multiple. You see guys that go in there and do specific tasks. And obviously, they like this kid to go up there and get him in the first round. And I also like the Delane pick. That defensive backfield has been picked apart so much over the past, what, three years or so. Justin Reed, you got a Jarius Sneed.

• 24:07Travis Kelce?

  I'll say this, a lot of the a lot of the big name DBs that we've had in years past are elsewhere right now. So getting an unbelievable DB, the best in the draft, and then getting a guy on the D line that can really help Chris Jones not get double teamed as much, or at least create matchups to where this kid can thrive early on and really bring something to the team. I think that's going to be a huge part to the defense. But I mean, it doesn't stop there on the D line. We got our Mason Thomas edge from Oklahoma. The guy's a fucking freak in nature in terms of athleticism and explosiveness. I can't wait to see how this guy gets after the quarterback, man. It's been kind of something that the Chiefs have been looking at to get better at, and that's getting after the QB and really putting

• 24:48Travis Kelce?

  quarterbacks under duress, man. Obviously, we've always had Chris Jones there and George is a fucking workhorse. Got Gillette last year, but I think this is going to be a game changer at the at the edge position. I know he had a hamstring last year on an unbelievable fumble recovery. So we'll see him when he gets in the building. I'm sure Spags will have a fun time putting him to work as well.

• 25:11Speaker 01

  There we go. Who else we got here?

• 25:13Travis Kelce?

  We got another cornerback from Oregon. He's kind of more of a nickel guy. I'm excited to see this guy get to work. Spags is obviously his nickel package is it can get confusing to a lot of guys. So I'm I'm sure Jaden Kennedy is gonna fucking be be quite the chess piece for Spags. But after that, two to three picks that I'm pretty fucking excited about. And that's because they're all finally got to the offensive side of the the ball on in round five. Emmett Johnson, running back from Nebraska, I believe he he was like first team Big Ten. Won a few awards at the running back position last year. We actually got to see him live when Nebraska played Cincinnati at Arrowhead. And then the other sideline, Cyrus Allen, wide receiver from Cincinnati,

• 25:55Travis Kelce?

  who I am fucking jacked up to see. We got another Bearcat in the building. We actually got two Bearcats in the building. One came as well as Jeff Caldwell in the in the free agency pickup. But Cyrus Allen is he's he's a route runner, man. He's a route runner. Well, we were talking about, you know, what do I want to see in a guy in the wide receiver room? He has his own twist on a lot of routes and and he has the quickness. He has the decisiveness. He really knows how to use his shoulders and his quickness and rhythm to to get DBs in a in a bind, man.

• 26:27Speaker 01

  Listen, he's from Cincinnati, so you know he's gonna be tough. You know he's gonna be physical. He's gonna be a guy that loves football and he loves drafting Bearcats. I mean, look at how many successful Bearcats he's drafted. Not just me and you, Brent Selig, Trent Cole.

• 26:38Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, Brian Cook.

• 26:40Speaker 01

  Oh, Cook, thank you. Thank you. Yeah, either way, Andy loves the loves the Bearcats. Cyrus Allen, Cincinnati Bearcat, tough, physical, fast.

• 26:54Travis Kelce?

  Get this dude out of here. Overall, I thought we did an unbelievable job on getting young guys that that looked like they love ball on the film that I watched of them and looked like they can come in and help out right away, man.

• 27:04Speaker 01

  Garrett Nussmeier, son of a coach. I was actually with his father in Philadelphia. We'll see.

• 27:08Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 27:09Speaker 01

  What do you think of the Chiefs draft class, Trav? A lot of defense early, getting some offensive pieces late. I guess you gotta solve some of the offensive stuff early in the draft this year or earlier in free agency this year with Kenneth Walker.

• 27:20Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, man, I'm I'm pumped. I'm pumped. On just seeing these young guys getting in the building, you know, I thought we we had a great team last year. We got a lot of those pieces back and the ones that we lost, we filled those needs ASAP. So I think I think these guys, once they get in the building, they feel they feel the culture and they they feel how we do things here. It's an exciting time, man. And I thought, shout out to Brett Veach and the crew for doing their doing hard work and getting the guys that we need in the building.

• 27:47Speaker 01

  All righty, well, Eagles also had a draft this week and they went round one, pick 20, Mackay Lemon, wide receiver out of USC, was the Belitnikov. I don't know if that's how you say it, but he was the receiver of the year in college football. Should be pretty good. This was a patented Howie Roseman pick. He was expected to be a top 15 guy, started sliding and Howie trades up ahead of the Steelers to snag him at pick 20. You know, this is just further proof that I think this Eagles offense is changing, right? Like, you know, the Eagles and Jalen Hurts have not thrown the ball over the middle of the field very much. That's something that fans have criticized a lot. And this was really most of his production in college, right? He's a shorter guy, gonna operate out of the slot, a little bit smaller, but he is physical.

• 28:32Travis Kelce?

  You put that film on, man. This guy can play some fucking ball.

• 28:35Speaker 01

  Catches everything. They're playing some highlights where he is going up and getting the ball.

• 28:40Travis Kelce?

  Strong receiver too, man. He's a strong receiver.

• 28:43Speaker 01

  A lot of the comparisons are the Amon Ra St. Brown, Minnie Puka Nakua. And you see exactly with this offense that Sean Mannion is bringing with all the motions and and shifting the formations from three by one to two by two, having those guys insert some of the creative, unique things they might be able to do with this guy. Cowboys not too happy that the Eagles traded up for him, or that the Cowboys traded with the Eagles to allow them to come up to 20 and draft Mackay Lemon. At JD Cowboys 2, I deadass would have rather traded with North Korea. That's a pretty hilarious tweet right there. I don't know how many picks North Korea had in this one. Didn't see a lot of the Koreans off the board. We have Jerry Jones on trading with the Eagles. If I eliminated trading

• 29:26Speaker 01

  with all the teams that I wanted to beat their ass, you wouldn't have anybody left to trade with.

• 29:30Travis Kelce?

  Meaning he wants to whoop everybody's ass, not just the Eagles. So if he needs to trade, he's not just. You know, not trading to one team.

• 29:39Speaker 01

  Well, we sure appreciate it. We sure appreciate it. Eagles have done this where they've been trading up recently. I feel like how we, a lot of this has gone from like when you see somebody sliding and sees the perceived value, especially if it's at a position of need, he is not shy of pulling the trigger. Did the same thing with Jalen Carter. Obviously we drafted value with Cooper Dejean as he was sliding in the draft a couple of years ago. They've been doing a great job of getting value out of some of these picks in terms of like where the consensus has them right. Pick two, they go tight end from Vanderbilt, Eli Stowers. I don't know anything about him because I don't watch a lot of college football. I do know.

• 30:15Travis Kelce?

  I know quite a bit about him, man. This kid is a fucking stud.

• 30:17Speaker 01

  Please tell me, please tell me.

• 30:19Travis Kelce?

  You guys got a stud, man. The word around town is he's a, he doesn't have quite the size, but I'm, I'm telling you, man. This kid knows how to play some fucking football, man. He knows how to run routes. He's got a good feel. He can, he can, he can run. And when he has the ball in his hands, man, you'd be surprised on how much, uh, you know, with this lack of size that they're saying, how many, how many tackles he breaks and, uh, just how good he is, man. He was, um, he was one of Vanderbilt's best players. I thought when I watched the play.

• 30:45Speaker 01

  And again, it's another thing with this offense, right? Big decision you have to make. You go 11 personnel, do you go 12 personnel? How can you do all these runs and concepts and motioning guys around it? 12 personnel, a lot of teams utilize it. I mean, the Rams were utilizing 13 personnel, one running back with three tight ends. When you have a guy that can go out wide while also coming inside and block linebackers and safeties, uh, you know, crack down on the defensive end, uh, you have screen options with them. These guys are very valuable. And we see it addressed right away with the first round pick with Makai Lemon and the second round pick with Eli Stowers.

• 31:18Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 31:18Speaker 01

  Third pick, they addressed the offensive line. Obviously Lane Johnson is getting a little bit older. We thought they would take a tackle at some point. Some people thought it would be earlier in the draft. They end up addressing it at the third round at pick 68 with Markel Bell. Monstrous of a man. This guy is huge. We don't have his stats up here, but he's something like 6'9", 350, basically. He is a, a big boy. He's a big boy. He's a big man out here in Philadelphia. He's a, he's a big boy. He's a big old son of a gun. This one, I, I mean, mountain of a man, long arms, big old hands, not the most fleet of foot, which is a little surprising in some ways to me because this system is more rooted in outside zone concepts. Traditionally, these offenses have drafted guys that can

• 32:03Speaker 01

  open their hips and run and cut off on the backside and do screens and play well with the misdirection game. This guy is suited to be a great pass blocker, right? Drop back, long arms, very rangy, gonna be very good in that regard as long as he can rear, uh, mirror and redirect with people. More of a power downhill guy, which some of these offenses have shifted recently. The Rams now run more duo than they do outside zone, right? They were, those offenses started in outside zone. Now they're running more dive concepts, more downhill plays. Maybe that's something that, that'll tell you about what the Eagles think they might do in the future. They don't go with the smaller, more athletically nimble tackle. They go with the big stalwart that'll be able to protect the quarterback and run

• 32:48Speaker 01

  downhill runs. Interesting pick there in the third round. Round five, they go Cole Payton. Get a little quarterback depth from North Dakota State. We've had some North Dakota State success at the quarterback position.

• 32:59Travis Kelce?

  Okay, Carson.

• 33:00Speaker 01

  Shout out. Uh, yeah, Cole Payton. Interesting. You know, we still have, um, we still have Tana McKee on the roster. Obviously Jalen Hurts is a starter. We still have Tana McKee. Still have, or it went out and signed in this off season, Andy Dalton. Uh, now we have another quarterback in the room and Cole Payton, uh, in round five. Round six, they go Micah Morris, different than Markiplier, equally as big, monstrous man. This guy is explosive. He's close to that 350 bill mark too. I mean, he's a big boy. He's a big boy out here in Philadelphia. He's close to 340 pushing that, something like that. I mean, the jersey's hanging on for dear life when you put that tape on. He is 6'5", huge, but this guy can move. I mean, he's jumping 30 inches at that weight. He's running sub 5

• 33:45Speaker 01

  in the 40. I don't even know if that's true, but his RAS score was off the charts.

• 33:48Travis Kelce?

  Get this dude out of here.

• 33:51Speaker 01

  Anyways, but honestly, this guy can move, very explosive.

• 33:56Speaker 01

  Look at the metrics. It's like, why was this guy around in the sixth round? Which kind of is concerning a little bit. Like when you're that big, that strong, that fast, you're not supposed to be there in the sixth round, right? You're usually going earlier. So maybe the tape is more of a developmental player. I don't know what it's, I didn't watch him specifically, but when you look at the metrics, like this guy should be a much higher pick. Maybe he doesn't bend well. I don't know. We'll find out though. I'm excited to watch him play. I like watching big athletic freaks of nature, which gets me to the next guy in the seventh round. Who are Bernard from Nigeria. He's never even fucking played football, but he looks like a Nigerian god, not a Greek god, a Nigerian Greek god. He's fucking huge. Look at, pull him up, pull up his shit. Six, four and a half, three inches, six pounds, 6% body fat, 39 inch vertical,

• 34:41Speaker 01

  10 foot, 10 broad jump, 14 inches longer than any other deeper the tackle, 46340. If you put it side by side with Miles Garrett, he's dwarfing him. One caveat, though, he hasn't played football.

• 34:52Travis Kelce?

  Oh yeah. Just a small.

• 34:54Speaker 01

  He's a D lineman. Just fucking run fast and hit people and get in the way. wreak havoc, knock shit over. You're fucking superhuman. Put his highlights up of him working out, because I do want to point this out. I, I, I'm kind of being funny. There's a lot on this kid's shoulder because of what happened with Jordan Malata, right? The Eagles in the seventh round.

• 35:10Travis Kelce?

  Well, there's a lot of on this kid's shoulders because he just got compared to Miles Garrett.

• 35:15Speaker 01

  Well, but before we get to it, watch these highlights and tell me what you see. Cause I, I noticed something right away that I think is going to take some time to develop. Not this part. Look at that. I mean, what the fuck is this?

• 35:28Speaker 01

  It's like they went to the Arnold Classic and found the biggest specimen they could. Here's where I started noticing stuff.

• 35:35Speaker 01

  What do you see?

• 35:36Travis Kelce?

  I mean, he's just not used to moving like a football player. He can get going straight, but he's, he's just got to put in a lot of work and it's a different type of skill set, man.

• 35:45Speaker 01

  Exactly. Well, here's the thing. He, the metrics are off the charts. So to get a guy with this much physical talent in the seventh round is incredible. But he's never played the game. There's a level of stiffness in the change of direction and the agility that he's going to have to develop, right?

• 35:59Travis Kelce?

  And there's an understanding of the game to have the savviness to play the game within the game that is, yeah, exactly. It's definitely. A developmental guy, but to get drafted in the seventh round is quite defeat for him. All that hard work that he's done to put into his body to get to where he is right now. Man, hats off, brother.

• 36:16Speaker 01

  If he can learn to play with great pad level, work on changing direction more efficiently, using his hands. If this all pans out, you are, you could have an incredibly high player with a high ceiling. Those are a lot of ifs, and it is rare for a guy that's never played the game to just come in and learn the sport, even though football in defensive line in particular, like dude, you take big, fast, strong people, they usually pan out, but this is a very green player. It did work out with Jordan Malata there. For every Jordan Malata it works out with, there are guys that it doesn't work out with. I remember Brock Lesnar got brought into a camp one year with the Minnesota Vikings and he was there for like maybe one or two preseason games. And I mean, he is a physical specimen.

• 36:56Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 36:57Speaker 01

  You have to also have the knowledge of the game, the desire, the love of the game, especially if you're going to be playing in the trenches, you gotta want it.

• 37:04Travis Kelce?

  We're gonna see how much he wants it, right? Cause you're gonna get, you're gonna get double teamed, you're gonna get blind side, you're gonna get tried like trap block. Like it's, it's, it's as much of a mental game in that interior as it is physical. It's, um, it can get pretty taxing on, on you if you are, at least it can get pretty humbling, uh, in the beginning for him. So hopefully he sticks at it and, uh, hopefully the Eagles found someone that's, uh, that's got that Jordan Malata type of spark to him.

• 37:31Speaker 01

  Well, and what Jordan had obviously was great coaching too. You know, Jeff Stell and it took him two years working with Jordan to try and get him on the field, right? He almost got cut up until the moment he started producing. This guy's going to be working with Clint Hurt, you know, Jeremiah Washburn. There's really good coaches that Eagles have on that side of the ball. And if I'm a coach, I am so excited to work with this kid. Like you see these metrics, you know, there's potential there. The explosion, the linear ability to move is astronomical. Like you don't see these kinds of numbers out of football players really ever at this size.

• 38:04Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 38:05Speaker 01

  So the, if that type of linear explosion, if we can get the agility going, if we can get the, uh, body mechanics, uh, right, and we can teach the technique and rushing the passer and, and defending the run. How to use your hands and how to sink your hips and understand formations. There's going to be a learning process, but I am very excited to see if this kid can get it done.

• 38:25Travis Kelce?

  Do you think he's an interior D line or do you think he's an edge guy? They gave the comparison to Miles Garrett, the 40 and the broad jump and the explosiveness. All that's, all that sounds good on paper, but I think he's kind of more of a three technique. Just based off of how, how his hips are and, and, and just, you know, the techniques and everything like that.

• 38:43Speaker 01

  I think he'll be a three, four D end and he'll be a three technique when they reduce from a certain side. Right? Like he's not going to be, he might be able to play a five technique with like an outside background, the ball outside of him. I doubt they have him on the edge. Right? I doubt he's going to be that player. Maybe, you know, some teams have done that with bigger guys, especially early downs to just man mountain Dean tight ends. But I would expect this guy probably to get a lot of work at three technique, uh, four I, four technique, uh, five technique. Um, and base defense.

• 39:14Travis Kelce?

  I can't wait to see this guy put the pads on first day. It's, I can't wait.

• 39:20Speaker 01

  I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm want to go down there just to watch it myself. He had three picks in the second, the seventh round. There was actually a pick right before that I missed. I glossed over it. Cole Wisnewski, safety from Texas Tech played with a Wisnewski. He would not transition to a safety. We also got round seven, pick 252, uh, Keyshawn James Newby. Outside linebacker, New Mexico. So Eagles opposite of the Chiefs. They go offense early with some of those higher picks. And then once they got to the later rounds, uh, really started addressing some of the defensive needs. Well, still was pregnant, married the offense. Actually they didn't draft the defensive guy until round seven, but then they went straight defense. Either way, I'm excited a lot about this class. The other part of the Eagles draft was, uh, Howie trading, uh, the two third round picks to the Vikings.

• 40:05Speaker 01

  For Jonathan Grenard, this was a missing piece on that defense. Obviously Jalen Phillips signed a hundred and 20 million dollar deal in free agency. They lost out on, uh, that edge defender who really brought a lot to the defense midway through the season. Now they get Jonathan Grenard, a very good player from Minnesota.

• 40:23Travis Kelce?

  Or here's a hundred mil.

• 40:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:26Travis Kelce?

  How much money does Philly have, man?

• 40:29Speaker 01

  Howie is a wizard. I mean, he just finds a way to get it done. You know, I don't know that it's, I feel like they can finagle whatever they want because they just know how to structure it. I don't really understand how it works. Oh, also got to shout out Jeffrey Lurie for spending the money. Uh, but yeah, they, they find a way to, they find a way to get really good players and they do it very often by spending a fuck ton of money. So shout out to the Lurys for investing in the team. Shout out to Howie for understanding the salary cap and how to finagle every dollar you can out of that thing to maximize the talent on the roster. So that was also a huge part of the Eagles draft, which ultimately with that alone, it's a successful draft. Mackay Lemon pan out. Some of these guys they picked the tight end from Vanderbilt. I mean, this guy in the seventh round, if we get another Jordan Malata, although I

• 41:14Speaker 01

  don't want to start anointing him yet. Lot to like about this draft from the Eagles. Um, alrighty, outside of Eagles and Chiefs, there were a bunch of other players selected in this year's draft.

• 41:26Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, roughly 290.

• 41:28Speaker 01

  We do not watch a lot of these guys, but we are excited to see someone play. Obviously, everybody's talking about Fernando Mendoza, number one overall to the Raiders and people have known that for a long time. Only the fourth quarterback since 1967 to win the Heisman, the Natty and go number one overall in the same season. That's an interesting stat.

• 41:43Travis Kelce?

  There you go. I'm interested to see, you know, exactly how they, how they go about playing them. Obviously they have Kirk Cousins. Um, I know, uh, I know Ty Simpson was picked by the Rams.

• 41:55Speaker 01

  Matthew Stafford.

• 41:56Travis Kelce?

  Our guy Matt Stafford is still obviously the, he's just won MVP. He'll be the starter there. So you get a guy that's, you know, looking to learn under him. I'm not, I'm interested to see if, you know, that's the approach the Raiders take.

• 42:09Speaker 01

  Yeah. Where do you stand on that? Like I do.

• 42:11Travis Kelce?

  I mean, I'm for it, obviously, because I've, I've seen it work. I've seen it happen. I've, you know, I've seen Pat Mahomes learn under Alex Smith.

• 42:19Speaker 01

  You got Aaron Rodgers, Pat Mahomes, a lot of really big name guys sat for a second, but there's also a lot of big, Tom Brady behind you, Bledsoe. There's a, there's a learning process, but at the same point. To what Deion Sanders said, man, I never learned nothing sitting on the bench. Like you need to go out there and play to do the best like.

• 42:39Travis Kelce?

  To Deion, that was a epic fucking quote.

• 42:41Speaker 01

  It was a banger. Peyton Manning, I mean, led the league in interceptions, but he played his rookie year and learned a lot, I'm sure.

• 42:47Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. I mean, look what Caleb Williams was able to do last year.

• 42:50Speaker 01

  I do think in general, more so than playing or not, I think it's really good for young quarterbacks in particular to learn how to prepare, to learn how to watch film, to learn all that stuff from veteran quarterbacks that have been doing it for a long time and know that side of it. So like.

• 43:07Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, encourage the best at that. Yeah.

• 43:09Speaker 01

  Yeah. Mendoza is in a great situation, just being in the same room with Kirk Cousins. Regardless of what the playing time situation ends up being at the end of the day, he is going to learn a ton about what it takes to compete and prepare at the highest level. Same thing, obviously, for Ty Simpson.

• 43:24Travis Kelce?

  And I'm sure he's got old Tom Brady right there in his back pocket, helping him if he ever needs, you know.

• 43:28Speaker 01

  It's a good point. There's another, there's another guy there. Yeah, you're right. All right. Well, outside of those quarterbacks, another big draft pick for this show was Jets Jake not getting who he wanted the Jets to take because he knows exactly who should have been taken at number two.

• 43:43Travis Kelce?

  Dude, David Bailey is a fucking dog.

• 43:46Speaker 01

  No, but he's.

• 43:47Travis Kelce?

  You cannot possibly be upset at them getting David Bailey.

• 43:50Speaker 01

  Oh, he is.

• 43:51Travis Kelce?

  The dude is a fucking game changer.

• 43:53Speaker 01

  Jake, before they picked, said, don't mess it up, Jets, with a picture of a handwritten sticky note, Arvel Reese, no matter what. I mean, he put in the time to really study who they should pick.

• 44:03Travis Kelce?

  I mean, listen, Arvel Reese, Glenville High School up there in Northeast Ohio, up in Cleveland.

• 44:09Speaker 01

  The Glenville guy.

• 44:10Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah. Went to Glenville, Ohio State to the NFL, as we know it. For a lot of guys, that's almost a powerhouse up there in Cleveland in terms of getting guys to, yeah, getting guys to Ohio State or getting guys to the Big Ten and into the NFL. So I'm excited for, you know, just to see Arvel Reese, you know, play some football in the league, man, fellow Cleveland guy. But I think David Bailey was a pretty goddamn pick, pretty goddamn good pick.

• 44:38Speaker 01

  Nothing will bring me greater joy than when David Bailey turns. Into like a 10 year New York jet, like multiple Pro Bowls and it's like, yeah, I just can't wait for Jake to have to eat that entire sticky note. Sorry. Love you, Jake. All right. Last thing, shout out the lineman Caleb Lomu drafted in flip flops and jorts. Uh, this is a big green flag for offensive lineman wearing, uh, jorts and flip flops. Tells me.

• 45:03Travis Kelce?

  With a quarter zip?

• 45:03Speaker 01

  No, I mean, I'm fine with a quarter zip. Quarter zip's nice and comfy.

• 45:07Travis Kelce?

  I got a, those are nice jeans. So nice.

• 45:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're not cutoffs. Definitely better. It's bigger green flag if you cut off those jean shorts yourself. Those are bought jorts.

• 45:20Speaker 01

  Bought jorts, not made jorts.

• 45:23Travis Kelce?

  Well, maybe he's not as good with scissors.

• 45:25Speaker 01

  Either way, I did love the internet, uh, falling in love with him dancing. Did you see these dance moves from my, from my guy Caleb?

• 45:31Travis Kelce?

  I did. I did see them, but I'll see him again. Come on, put them up there.

• 45:34Speaker 01

  Very similar. Lane Johnson's got some similar moves. I've seen him pull in the locker room. I think it's a, you've got good hips, fluidity, smooth to be, to move like this, you know, you gotta be kind of athletic. You can't just be pulling that out. If you're big stiffy.

• 45:50Travis Kelce?

  No, listen, if you're.

• 45:53Speaker 01

  I think this is a major green flag. I really do. Good hips, rhythm, loose, confident. Come on now.

• 46:01Travis Kelce?

  Show it off, big dog. That's hilarious.

• 46:04Speaker 01

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• 46:11Travis Kelce?

  Yes.

• 46:13Speaker 01

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• 46:16Travis Kelce?

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• 46:21Speaker 01

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• 46:27Travis Kelce?

  Ain't that the truth? Flights, hotels, vacation rentals, cars, activities. Everything is right there on the app. Dude, I remember going on trips when we were kids and it felt like everything was booked on Expedia because of how much mom went through all these different avenues to make sure it was all set up for us.

• 46:48Speaker 01

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• 46:49Travis Kelce?

  I mean, it definitely just makes it more synchronized. And just makes it feel easier when you're actually on the trip itself.

• 46:56Speaker 01

  No question, especially when mom's taking care of all of that logistical. Yeah, mom, mom had some help from Expedia to really nail down those trips.

• 47:05Travis Kelce?

  Dad, you just do the driving.

• 47:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, dad, you, I mean, he might have booked, yeah, mom, yeah, mom did most of the heavy lifting.

• 47:14Speaker 01

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• 47:20Travis Kelce?

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• 47:27Speaker 01

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• 47:29Travis Kelce?

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• 47:41Travis Kelce?

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• 47:46Speaker 01

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• 47:55Travis Kelce?

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• 48:15Speaker 01

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• 48:20Travis Kelce?

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• 48:40Travis Kelce?

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• 48:56Speaker 01

  What, what are you trying to say?

• 48:57Travis Kelce?

  Nothing. I didn't say nothing. Yeah, checking first is smart. So check Allstate first for a quote that could save you hundreds. You're in good hands with Allstate.

• 49:06Speaker 01

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• 49:14Speaker 01

  And that brings us to our next section, the one we've been looking forward to all show. It's time for our convo with Blake Griffin. That's right.

• 49:23Travis Kelce?

  The legend.

• 49:24Speaker 01

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• 49:28Speaker 04

  T up Blake's highlights. Let's watch that.

• 49:29Travis Kelce?

  God damn.

• 49:32Speaker 01

  That alone will be the most electric episode we've ever watched.

• 49:35Travis Kelce?

  So what about this one? Do you remember this one?

• 49:37Speaker 01

  Holy shit. How did you learn to jump so high?

• 49:41Speaker 05

  What were you thinking? What were you thinking when you did that?

• 49:43Speaker 04

  When you jumped over Timothy Mozgov, was that planned or how did you feel about that?

• 49:48Speaker 01

  Like I told you, I'm trying to dunk for the first time in my life. Right? I told you this, right?

• 49:52Speaker 05

  Oh yeah, that's right. How's it going?

• 49:54Speaker 01

  Well, I tore my quad.

• 49:56Speaker 05

  So not good.

• 49:57Travis Kelce?

  No, I was gonna say he's, yeah, go ahead, Jason. Tell them how you tore your quad.

• 50:02Speaker 01

  All right. So I've been doing this type of training where apparently you like you lift heavy and then you do like explosive jumping afterwards. It's supposed to make you jump higher if you're not born naturally with it. Right? So I was doing heavy quarter squats supplemented with jumping on top of a box. So I had, well, I did seven plates the week before and I was doing quarter squats of that. And then jumping up on the box and it was working. My initial height of jumping, my initial height of jumping, like running and jumping, my initial height of running and jumping was like 10 6. Like it was embarrassing start. I was up over 10 10. So I was like high enough to get there, I feel like. So I just wanted like that.

• 50:43Speaker 05

  Can you call them all?

• 50:44Speaker 01

  No, see, I got a little bit of chance. I can't.

• 50:47Speaker 05

  You got to go baby.

• 50:51Speaker 01

  Yum, yum, yum. Yum, yum, yum.

• 50:57Speaker 01

  So I, so I tried to get just one more inch hopefully. And I go back in there and I'm squatting again in the second, the week after that, I tore my quad doing the quarter squat. And I had to sit it down, but I'm getting ready to start it again. Do you have any, like, how did you learn to jump so high? What were the, what are the techniques that you implemented to jump over human beings?

• 51:22Speaker 05

  I gotta be honest, man. Having a black dad helps.

• 51:28Speaker 05

  I don't know. I mean, my mom, my mom, you know,

• 51:30Speaker 01

  She didn't bring much to the table.

• 51:36Speaker 05

  More of a, more of a runner, you know, long distance.

• 51:40Speaker 01

  Cardio.

• 51:41Speaker 05

  Yeah, that, that helps for sure. I, I gotta say the quarter squat box jump combo wasn't really in my,

• 51:51Speaker 01

  You didn't have to resort to that?

• 51:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 51:55Speaker 01

  I've been doing this thing called the penultimate step. Have you ever heard of the penultimate step?

• 52:00Speaker 01

  Alright, I'm gonna stop talking. I'm just gonna do your intro. Alright, here we go.

• 52:06Speaker 01

  Nah, man, I just jumped.

• 52:09Speaker 05

  That felt like that was the intro.

• 52:13Speaker 01

  Our guest today is the six foot nine forward from the University of Oklahoma. He was the number one pick in the 2009 NBA draft, the 2011 Rookie of the Year, 2011 Slam Dunk Contest Champion, six time NBA All-Star, five time All-NBA. He made his broadcasting debut this NBA season as studio panelist on Amazon Prime.

• 52:32Speaker 05

  Yes, he did.

• 52:34Speaker 01

  Please welcome perhaps the greatest dunker of all time, Blake Griffin.

• 52:41Speaker 05

  Hyped up right now.

• 52:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, baby. I am sweating. I am sweating from that.

• 52:47Travis Kelce?

  He usually blows a gasket.

• 52:48Speaker 05

  Well, yeah, busts a blood vessel in your eye.

• 52:50Travis Kelce?

  Appreciate you jumping on the show, man. How's, how's broadcasting going, dog? You guys are in the heat of the fucking playoffs right now. You get the full year under your belt. How you been enjoying Amazon?

• 53:00Speaker 05

  It's been awesome, man. I, I, I figured I was gonna enjoy it. Just, I mean, obviously, we love the sport. We play. But I, I enjoy it so much more. And, and part of that is just like, dude, I get to sit in a room and watch the games with Dirk Nowitzki, Steve Nash, Udonis Haslem, Taylor Rooks is our host, and she's awesome. So it's like, we just sit there and we watch games and talk. And like, that part's fun, but also trying to usher in this new era of, of sports media and how people view the game, especially in basketball. I think football, they do such a good job. But basketball, I think it needed sort of like a, a, a education and like an uplifting standpoint. Because obviously like you guys know like it's not easy like we're all we're all you know

• 53:42Speaker 05

  training extremely hard trying to win putting forth so much effort and you know sometimes it comes down to these little things so just trying to like educate fans to to sort of see the game I guess through the way we see it um has been a blast but I've had I've had so much fun.

• 53:56Travis Kelce?

  Well Jason is very much one of those people that think everybody NBA is just out there running and jumping and chucking up threes.

• 54:02Speaker 01

  I've never said that once.

• 54:05Speaker 05

  Not wrong, not wrong.

• 54:06Speaker 01

  Let me ask you this, how has the game changed? Because it does feel like the NBA has changed from especially when we were kids. It's continuing to evolve, it's continuing to use more floor space. How have you seen it continue to change now as an analyst from when you played?

• 54:22Speaker 05

  Well for one, the pace has changed and there's there's all these advanced analytics that talk about pace, right? But pace is sort of a deceiving stat because it's sort of just tracking you know how much you're going up and down. But now with every player being so skilled like now centers shoot threes, power fours, everybody shoots threes. Everybody can handle the ball to a certain extent. Now some guys don't, but most teams and most of the good teams, everybody is such a dynamic player that the court is even more spread out. So now you're seeing longer closeouts, you're seeing guys be able to drive and kick and all that stuff in the half court is happening so much more. I also think that a side note like that's why we're seeing a few more injuries like the pace is sure it's similar to like the 90s, but they're in so much more movement and so much

• 55:06Speaker 05

  more dynamic movement. You know, we've gotten to a place where the game, I think the game is in a good place. It's just different than it was. And a lot of that was you know Golden State coming in and you know Splash Brothers and all these teams shooting threes and I also had this thing where it's like, you know, that was great for them and they had two of the best players of all time. Yeah. And now you're sort of watching you know some of these these other teams like teams that are sort of taking or rebuilding and young and they're playing the same way and it's like it's glaring when you're taking 53s and you're missing 42 of them.

• 55:38Travis Kelce?

  Threes? 50 fucking threes?

• 55:40Speaker 01

  Make some adjustments.

• 55:41Travis Kelce?

  Is insane.

• 55:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 55:43Travis Kelce?

  Insane for an entire game.

• 55:44Speaker 05

  I mean, by the way, that's like, it's like normal now. Like teams that don't even shoot the three well shoot high 40s. So yeah, it's wild, but like I, you know, I still, I can always find things that I really appreciate about the game. I mean, we have some of the best young players. We sort of have this like weird moment right now, or it's a great moment of like, we still have the LeBrons, the K Ds, the Stephs, like all these guys that we've known for years, but we also have these young guys who are fucking incredible and they are like ushering in this new era of superstars. So I, to me, the game's in such a good place. Um, and I'm excited about it.

• 56:21Travis Kelce?

  Give me a quick three of these young guys. Who, who do you think is really going to be taking over this league? Or who are your three favorite or a couple of them right now?

• 56:28Speaker 05

  I mean, Wimby is like, uh, like if you guys-

• 56:31Travis Kelce?

  This is insane, dude. He's an alien. Can't tell me he's not an alien.

• 56:35Speaker 05

  If you haven't had a chance to see him play in person, I got to see him in person for the first time. Like his follow through on a free throw is like nine, nine, 10.

• 56:45Speaker 05

  The thing about when he jumps and when he fades away, you're not blocking it. And then defensively, it's fun to watch him play defense and we don't really say that often about guys. So he's like the obvious like outlier of just like a complete freak of nature, but also so dedicated to the game. Shay's obviously just on a tear. Um, will win another MVP in my opinion, and they're the best team in basketball. Um, another guy that I love watching play is Cade Cunningham.

• 57:10Travis Kelce?

  Nice. Yeah.

• 57:11Speaker 05

  Like, I think he's so good. I mean, he's so under control.

• 57:15Travis Kelce?

  He finally took off this year. Had Detroit number one in the East.

• 57:17Speaker 05

  Yeah. So like I said, game's in a good place and that's just, that's just three of the, the few young guys that are really good.

• 57:23Travis Kelce?

  Are there guys in the league that you would, you watch play and just like, man, if I just had one fucking dribble, I'd fucking go up and put him in his place and stuff him in the fucking rim.

• 57:33Speaker 05

  Brother, every day.

• 57:37Speaker 05

  Yeah. I mean, you know, it's like, I don't know. It's hard to, I'm sure Jason, I'm sure you like, you know, it's hard to not to watch games and think like, oh man, like certain moments, especially end of games, big plays, like big moments. Like it's, that's the one thing that I feel like I do miss that you, you, you never really get back. But also like, and I gave everything I had to my career and I'm, I'm happy with what I'm doing now. And it's, it's fun to, fun to be on this side. But yeah, I'd for sure challenge, challenge a lot of those guys. I'd try. It might not go well, but I'd try.

• 58:08Speaker 01

  Well, we got to ask you as two Clevelanders, what do you think of the Cavs? What are we going to do in the playoffs?

• 58:13Travis Kelce?

  Toronto, Toronto just tied it up. Fuck.

• 58:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:18Speaker 05

  I know, we'll see. So the biggest thing was like, man, like physicality in the playoffs over the last couple of years has sort of been the thing that they they didn't they didn't match well. And the first two games against Toronto, you're like, man, this team looks pretty good. You know, they're playing free. I think they're so talented. Donovan Mitchell is unbelievable. We know what James Harden is. I think they just need to get some of that like, you know what? Like, let's go out and let's play defense aggressively as we possibly can. Take the Oklahoma City model of like, they just foul the shit out of people and they sort of look at the refs like, I dare you to call everyone. You can't.

• 58:52Travis Kelce?

  That was, that's kind of the Belichick way in the NFL. Make them call it in the playoffs.

• 58:56Speaker 05

  You know what I mean? And the game just changes in the playoffs. So I, I love their team. I think like, especially with if Orlando gets past Detroit, like that's their matchup in the second round and Orlando's sort of up and down. They match up well lengthwise. So I think they've got a chance. You just need to see them play like a really a much more physical brand of basketball, I think, in my opinion.

• 59:18Travis Kelce?

  Come on, Mobley. Come on, baby. Start throwing those fucking bows in the fucking paint, man.

• 59:23Speaker 05

  Mobley was the guy that like, I realized like, I should probably retire when I was like lined up next to him. He was just a freak, just 6'11", like, like couldn't get around him. I was like, you know what?

• 59:37Speaker 01

  Is there an art with like the fouls to like, one, not get called, but two, just really get in the other person's head, especially if they're like a shooter? Like, what do you do to like, take a team out of three-point shooting by getting maybe their best players rattled?

• 59:54Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think it's like very player dependent. Like, some guys don't like contact. Some guys do like contact. The guys that don't like contact, it's about like, from the tip, like, making sure you get a hand on or they feel you at every moment, you know, like, really, like making them realize, hey, it's gonna, you're gonna be in for a long night. Like, physically, I'm gonna like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna rough you up a little bit. For team-wise, taking away the three is so hard because like we just talked about, the court's so spread out. I think that's what Detroit's running into right now is, you know, they don't have a lot of great. Three point shooting and on top of that, they're not shooting the ball well from three. And so that court just shrinks, you know, so they're packing the paint. So now you're not getting inside as easily.

• 1:00:35Speaker 05

  And the whole game changes. So defensively, like to me, physicality in the playoffs is what really like sets team apart. Like Oklahoma City, like I just mentioned, like they are, they're on you at every moment of the game. And you know, I, I, I say they foul that I, I wouldn't say they just play so physical. That they're sort of setting the, the team that hits first and sets the, you know, the, the physicality level. Like that's the team that sort of dictates the game, in my opinion, especially.

• 1:01:04Travis Kelce?

  Similar in the NFL, man. If you come out and you fucking set the tone early, man, that, that'll, uh, that'll put a team in a, in a tough position.

• 1:01:12Speaker 05

  Yeah. Is that like a thing you guys would like to talk or think about is like, hey, like. What, you know, whether, even if you're starting offensively, like you, you're like, hey, like, we just want to make our presence felt first, first drive.

• 1:01:23Speaker 01

  First play, we're going to come out in 13 personnel. We're coming out with tight, three tight ends. And we're going to run dive right at them and we're going to set this tone. We're coming right down the middle. It would also be also telling what the coaches thought of the game because it'd be like, hey, second play, we're going to start with a trick play. And say, okay, you don't think we can actually physically, we're going straight to the trick plays. Got it, coach.

• 1:01:46Speaker 01

  We're going flea flicker. They'll never, we got to sneak one off the top of these boys.

• 1:01:51Speaker 05

  And you didn't really believe in this, like a thought you did.

• 1:01:55Speaker 05

  But okay. So like, let me ask you a question. Like you'd come out, like say you get hit in the mouth first. How hard is it to change that through the course of the game?

• 1:02:03Speaker 01

  Um, I mean, again, that probably it's depends on who it is, like some guys, the physicality affects them more. And some positions, it affects them more, right? Like quarterback. If you get rattled, some of those guys can respond from it. And some of those guys just the rest of the game. Are thinking about it and it makes them a tick off in their timing or gets them off their spot. They start setting up deeper, which. Messes all sorts of other things up. Uh, for me personally, I don't know. Like if I got hit early, I would just be like, man, next time that happens, I'm gonna make sure I fucking don't get mollywopped. You know what I mean? Like, I'm gonna learn my lesson there. I'm gonna go down with my head down and get a 15 yard penalty, but I'm not letting that happen again.

• 1:02:45Speaker 05

  Great, great use of mollywopped right there.

• 1:02:51Travis Kelce?

  No, I kinda, I kinda need that first hit. I like that first hit to happen early for me.

• 1:02:55Speaker 01

  It does kinda snap you into it.

• 1:02:57Travis Kelce?

  It like kinda gets the juices flowing, activates some things, gets your, gets your mind into it. And then from there, it's just kinda like, you know, the armor is set and you're ready to fucking roll. But I kinda like getting involved early. So I get that catch and try and, you know, impose my will or, or set the tone with the first down or something like that. Get up and start hooting and hollering and get guys pissed off on the other side of the ball. Yeah.

• 1:03:20Speaker 05

  Oh, that's the best. When you know you've got a team pissed off, it's the best.

• 1:03:23Travis Kelce?

  Dude, so you used to play football? What position? You gotta tell, what, what age did you stop playing?

• 1:03:28Speaker 05

  I stopped my sophomore year. Um, I was just like playing too much basketball, but I was like, uh, I was a wide receiver and like a safety. I was like, I didn't really like fill out until like after my sophomore year.

• 1:03:39Speaker 01

  You were a safety?

• 1:03:41Travis Kelce?

  Were you 6'9" and as a sophomore? How tall were you?

• 1:03:43Speaker 05

  No, no, I was like sophomore year. I was probably only like six or freshman year, I was probably like 6'5", 6'4". But I was, dude, I was so skinny. I, I could not put on weight. So it was like, I couldn't play defensive end. I couldn't, you know, and Oklahoma football is like they, it's, they're pretty serious. So I was just like, they're like, just go out there and like, you know, just patrol around and any jump ball, just try to go get it.

• 1:04:07Travis Kelce?

  Right on, man. Did you ever do the Oklahoma drill?

• 1:04:09Speaker 05

  Oh yeah, dude.

• 1:04:10Travis Kelce?

  Oh, let's go.

• 1:04:13Speaker 05

  My eighth grade year is the first year I played tackle. I did the Oklahoma drill and I made the mistake of like, all right, I'm really gonna kinda like you said, I'm gonna keep my head down and just got hit on the top of the head, like stinger all down my.

• 1:04:25Travis Kelce?

  Oh, the old whack a mole? Oh man, that's the worst.

• 1:04:30Speaker 05

  The last play of my high school career in the playoffs and caught a pass across the middle, maybe 10 yards, same play, caught another pass across the middle, 10 yards. We go back to it and this linebacker who was signed to like Tulsa or something, you know, small school in Oklahoma, just absolutely levels me. And all I remember is just like staring up into the night sky, trying to catch my breath. And I see him over me and he just does the.

• 1:04:57Speaker 05

  I was like, you know what? I think, I think we're good.

• 1:05:04Speaker 01

  Well, this is pertinent because we used to ask basketball guys, this wasn't in the rundown, but do you think you could have played in the NFL?

• 1:05:10Speaker 05

  I mean, I would have had to like really dedicate time to it. I mean, you never know. I mean, there's so many guys that are like later bloomers. Like I think like when it comes to like this like whole debate, I think it's very interesting because everybody thinks they can do everything else.

• 1:05:26Speaker 05

  But it's just like, I like, I don't think people realize, like I've learned this from like talking to like, you know, Whitworth or like Ryan Khalil, you guys know, and it's like listening to them talk about the game of football. And like all the nuances and all the things that they have to think about and do. It really like lets you know that like we are all, we all don't know what we're talking about.

• 1:05:51Speaker 05

  Cause you watch these guys do it and you're like, well, not that it looks easy, but you do it so well. But you think like, oh, I could do that. But you also, you're not thinking about all the variables and all these other things that are going into it. And like, you just don't know until you've been put in that situation. Like, I've had teammates who can't remember the play out of the timeout.

• 1:06:09Travis Kelce?

  Oh, no. Oh, no.

• 1:06:13Speaker 05

  How can we, how could we expect somebody to go out and like be in a two minute drill and like remember all this when like, we can't remember one play.

• 1:06:21Speaker 01

  Just so you know, there's some guys that we've played with that aren't very good at the timeout either. Like that's not exclusive.

• 1:06:29Travis Kelce?

  There was a player not too long ago who was in his later years. I'm not going to say who it was, but would literally leave the huddle on the biggest play of the game and ask me what he had. And I'm just like, what?

• 1:06:45Speaker 05

  Oh, the amount of time. Yeah, it's tough. Like, hey, hey, where am I supposed to be?

• 1:06:50Travis Kelce?

  And then I secretly tell him to do something so that I get open. It's the best.

• 1:06:57Speaker 01

  Clear it out for me.

• 1:06:58Travis Kelce?

  Who do you have winning it all in the playoffs this year? Or the NBA championship, I should say.

• 1:07:03Speaker 05

  I mean, Oklahoma City is the best team, like barring like an injury. I mean, there's a little bit banged up right now, but they look fantastic. I, the East is super interesting to me because Boston was supposed to be, this was supposed to be like a down, down year, you know, like with all the injuries, they traded guys away, it was Jason Tatum was out. And then Jaylen Brown just had a monster year. They had guys step up and Brad Stevens, literally a couple of hours ago, one executive of the year. I mean, he, they just put this team together so well. Joe Missoula is a great coach. Jason Tatum is now back. And so to me now, after watching how, you know, Cleveland looks, Detroit looks and the Knicks look like, I'm like, man, Boston, Boston, in my opinion, right now is the team that's going to match up with,

• 1:07:44Speaker 05

  with Oklahoma City in the finals, but Oklahoma City healthy, man, I like, that's tough. They're, they're, they're a good team.

• 1:07:50Travis Kelce?

  Being from Cleveland, I still hope that they find a way to get physical on the defensive side. Come on, Cal.

• 1:07:55Speaker 01

  You heard him, boy, he's just getting physical.

• 1:07:57Travis Kelce?

  Just listen to Blake, come on, listen here, go listen to Blake.

• 1:08:01Speaker 01

  Go watch Lance Stevenson clips from when he was with the, was it Pacers? Do you remember that when he was doing?

• 1:08:07Speaker 05

  LeBron's ear? That's not the physicality that we're talking about, Jason.

• 1:08:19Speaker 01

  Well, Blake, you and your brother got drafted in the same year.

• 1:08:22Speaker 05

  How about that?

• 1:08:23Speaker 01

  How often do you remind him that you were the first overall pick and he was 48?

• 1:08:28Speaker 05

  Oh, man, you know what? I, pretty much every day.

• 1:08:35Speaker 05

  No, that was like, dude, that was like, talk about like a dream come true. I mean, obviously you guys both got to play at the same time, but like, man, like draft night, like, it was like a little stressful because it was like, you know, I, I was fortunate enough to go one. And then we were kind of waiting around and then when it happened, it was just like, this is the best night ever. You know, family, friends there and like, um, you know, to like do that thing that you've been watching on TV for so long and being like, I one day hope to do it, to do it with your brother, same year was, was pretty cool.

• 1:09:04Travis Kelce?

  And your, your brother's do, in the financial world now, right?

• 1:09:07Speaker 05

  Yeah, he's a, he started when he retired, like my brother, my brother was always like straight A student, poor, perfect kid, great basketball player. Yeah, yeah. So annoying.

• 1:09:20Speaker 05

  I was always Taylor's brother growing up. It was like, oh, that's Taylor's brother. And it was just like.

• 1:09:26Speaker 05

  But yeah, so when he retired, like I was like, man, nobody better to like sort of have in my corner to like help me out and like, I didn't like as a man, but he started sort of managing my investment stuff, you know, it was kind of like spread out all over the place and he put his head down and went around and met with a bunch of people and and really figured out that space really well. I went to work for a P E company and and now we have a a V C fund um that we run and it's a blast. I mean, still to this day, being able to like, you know, like you guys, being able to like still do stuff together um is like, this is the best.

• 1:09:58Travis Kelce?

  That was always, I was always little Kelce. It was like, yeah, there's little Kelce. Well, he's pretty good at sports, but he can't read or write. So who knows?

• 1:10:09Travis Kelce?

  We still haven't seen him play in a game yet.

• 1:10:11Speaker 01

  Good kid, good kid.

• 1:10:12Travis Kelce?

  Good kid, though.

• 1:10:13Speaker 05

  Yeah, we're looking at you now. You can read now.

• 1:10:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:16Travis Kelce?

  Thank you. It's new audio. Yeah.

• 1:10:19Speaker 05

  That's why Jason does the intros.

• 1:10:23Travis Kelce?

  That went on the head. Half the time I can't even pronounce the name of the people we have on here.

• 1:10:29Speaker 01

  Your dad coached you guys in high school?

• 1:10:31Speaker 05

  Yeah, man.

• 1:10:31Travis Kelce?

  You guys had to have won state.

• 1:10:33Speaker 05

  We did. I won four and my brother won two. Um, and it was, uh, we played in like a little bit lower division, but man, my, my dad was like a, like a legendary high school basketball coach. He's coached for forty plus years and like, I don't know, fifteen state championships, something like that. And just.

• 1:10:49Travis Kelce?

  He must have played, right?

• 1:10:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, he played, he played like basketball and football in college, like low, like a small college. Um, and then when he coached football and basketball, um, and then he only coached basketball. I think like when I was young, I think maybe like eight or nine, he kind of stopped coaching football and just was like all basketball.

• 1:11:05Travis Kelce?

  Yep, these boys going to the N B A. Waste my time with that pigskin.

• 1:11:12Speaker 05

  He had a vision. Uh, yeah, it was awesome, though. He was, uh, it was, it was really cool. And also like, dude, like, you know, uh, like he pushed me harder than maybe another coach would have because he knew exactly how to make me, make me work, you know, and and um, I was like, you know, sounds like I was a little bit more like Travis, just a little bit, little scattered.

• 1:11:32Speaker 05

  Getting in trouble a little bit too much.

• 1:11:34Travis Kelce?

  Did a good growth spurt. Everybody saw the potential.

• 1:11:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly. I'm like, oh, okay. Now, okay, now we'll give this kid a chance.

• 1:11:41Speaker 01

  Wow, he's powerful. He just jumped to the top of the back. That's amazing.

• 1:11:47Speaker 05

  All those quarter squats, man.

• 1:11:49Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:11:50Travis Kelce?

  Dude, when you came on the scene at OU, holy fucking shit. Did you know that you were just gonna fucking take it over like that? Like, I don't, I don't know how to explain it. We were watching it from the fucking mid, like, like Cincinnati and Cleveland and you fucking were dunking on everybody, going coast to coast, fucking, just the most athletic, powerful. Did you know, did you know you, like, were gonna take over the fucking college basketball world like that?

• 1:12:15Speaker 05

  No, dude. I mean, my, my freshman year, I had like a solid freshman year and, and I like, there was some moments my freshman year, I was like, okay, I can do this. Like, I feel like, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm getting a little bit of buzz here, but decided to come back, didn't enter the draft after my freshman year, decided to come back and, dude, I went away. My brother and I went and, and worked out with this. We found this trainer in San Francisco. This guy's like nuts. And we went for two straight months, had no money, you know, in college. And we worked out for two straight months. It was like six days a week. We were like running sand hills and he was like unconventional training. We do basketball in the morning, work out in the afternoon, go back and do basketball.

• 1:12:55Speaker 05

  And that's when I, when I came back to campus for like summer workouts, it was like a, a, a very clear difference. And like, it was big for me because it was like, I, I, I realized, you know, the value of hard work. And I always felt like I worked hard, but like, I really like put in, put in a lot of time. And that, that's sort of when I made that like jump. And then my, my sophomore year was kind of when I sort of broke out, like on a, on a national scale, but uh, man, college was so fun. I, I, I loved every, every minute of it.

• 1:13:23Travis Kelce?

  Was it always Oklahoma?

• 1:13:24Speaker 05

  It actually wasn't. I, so my brother committed and played there his freshman year. Um, and then they got a new coach. Kelvin Sampson left. There was like some recruiting violations. They got this new coach and I honestly like, dude, I love Kansas. I loved Florida. Um, thought about going to play with our boy. Uh, cause you know, I, I, I'd known, I'd known CP for, for years, you know, playing AU and stuff. And then I had like Duke and North Carolina on my list, but it was, that was kinda like, just like a, it felt like it was like a, just a lifelong dream of like Duke and North Carolina. But I wanted to go to a place where like, A, my brother was there, you know, it was close to home. My parents come watch us play.

• 1:14:02Speaker 05

  And then also just like, I wanted to go to a place where you felt like they really believed in you and you were gonna be the guy and you were gonna get the opportunity. Uh, and I'm so glad I did. Like, that's always kinda my advice to like younger guys. It's like, you can't fall for everything these coaches are telling you. Cause like, you know, their job's on the line every year, just, you know, just like everybody else. So, um, go to a place that you're really, uh, you know, appreciated, uh, which is crazy cause it's the complete opposite now with NIL.

• 1:14:29Travis Kelce?

  Dude, I was about to say, you can go, yeah, and you can get to the league from just about anywhere. And that's any league that is, you know what I mean? That with the film is out there and sometimes all you need is that step in the door, man. But, um, yeah, it's, it's, it's way different, especially over there in Oklahoma where you guys got actual like booster money.

• 1:14:46Speaker 05

  Yeah, they, uh, yeah, football players were eating good.

• 1:14:51Speaker 01

  O-line was heavy. Very relatable, obviously with Travis and I going to Cincinnati, but, and that was similar to us is like, I played for three different head coaches. So that was the model back then was like, you gotta fall in love with the university and like where you're at. As opposed to that, cause I could change, I mean, on average, coaches were getting fired or taking promotions within three years. Especially at the smaller schools. Like it was gonna be quick turnover, but yeah, NIL's changed all of it. Where do you, where do you stand on NIL? Are you pro NIL?

• 1:15:19Speaker 05

  I'm somewhere in between because what we've done is effectively like created a pro sports model without the things that keep professional sports on the rails. You know, like, and, and it, you know, I'm sure it's hard to like unionize like all those college athletes. And so to me, what it should be is like, football, basketball, men's and women's basketball and football are, are usually the, the money earners at schools. And like, so those, those sports, like there should be a union, there should be a collective bargaining agreement, there should be a salary cap. That we'd have to sort of rein in the transfer thing. I, I get it. Like you shouldn't be stuck at a school. But you can't, I mean, some guys are on their fifth school.

• 1:16:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, there should be a commitment like a kind like a one, two, three year deal. Like there should be something from the player that's like, hey, I'm bought into this relationship as well.

• 1:16:07Speaker 05

  I mean, you, you said it like you, you, you have to fall in love with the university. Like I, I loved going to University of Oklahoma. And I'm not saying like it's, it's wrong now because kids are doing what they should be doing. Like go get as much money as possible and you know,

• 1:16:21Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 1:16:21Travis Kelce?

  You're not the starter here. Go to a school that'll pay you to be the starter.

• 1:16:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, there's no, no blame from me on the, on the, on the student, the athlete's side. I just think there needs to be parameters. Um, just because, you know, and also some of those not talked about really is like all the, some of the other sports are being affected by this as well because they're like some, some schools are cutting some of these non-revenue sports.

• 1:16:44Travis Kelce?

  Oh shit.

• 1:16:45Speaker 05

  You know, and it's messing up the whole ecosystem. And like, dude, I mean, you look at like, we're always so good at the Olympics because every college, you have so many different avenues to go wrestle, to go, to go do whatever sport it is you do. And, and if, if, if other sports are affected by this NIL and the big money-making sports, then I, I don't think that's okay too. I think everybody, if we're going to pay student athletes, everybody should get some. I'm not saying everybody should get the exact same amount, but everybody should get some. And then there should also be, all the other sports should be taken care of as well.

• 1:17:17Travis Kelce?

  So how much did you get under the table at Oklahoma?

• 1:17:23Speaker 05

  Dude, I was getting gift cards.

• 1:17:27Speaker 01

  Oh, sweet. Applebee's. Hell yeah. Those appetizers at Applebee's are going down easy, boys.

• 1:17:33Speaker 05

  Real Midwestern deep cut.

• 1:17:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, no doubt.

• 1:17:37Travis Kelce?

  This is luxury. Longhorn Steakhouse. No way.

• 1:17:41Speaker 05

  Dude, the bread rolls at Longhorn Steakhouse.

• 1:17:43Travis Kelce?

  I go to St. Joe, Missouri every fucking year, dude. And it is like the classiest establishment in St. Joe. They're going to fucking kill me for saying that, but it is, it is literally one of the big, I'm only there for three weeks. It is right next to campus. So we go there whenever we want to like get the team together. I fucking pig out. I, I, we, they just bring the rolls out the entire time. Like it doesn't just start in the beginning. It's just like as they, as they come out of the oven, just like, yeah, just bring those things on over here.

• 1:18:10Speaker 05

  It's the best, especially dude, especially like the college towns too. Like you go, you go eat like a king.

• 1:18:15Speaker 01

  Dude, we had a Lane Johnson early, uh, when he got there. He was, I forget if it's Longhorn or Outback because I always just associate them as like pretty much the same restaurant in my head. Yeah. But.

• 1:18:25Travis Kelce?

  One's got rolls and the other's got blooming onions.

• 1:18:27Speaker 01

  Either way, he's like, dude, you gotta get, get the chicken fingers. And I'm like, bro, you want me to go get the chicken fingers? He's like, just trust me. And I was like, how much have you eaten of like Longhorn to know that the chicken fingers is like, where you find that part of the menu that you're just getting chicken fingers? So we went and I got the chicken fingers and he was right. The chicken fingers were absolutely fantastic. Blake, you drafted number one overall to the Clippers. What was it like going to the NBA, being the number one overall draft pick?

• 1:18:59Speaker 05

  I mean, truly like, you know, obviously like a dream come true, but also like, I don't know if people remember, but like, the Clippers was like.

• 1:19:06Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, you put the clip. Yeah, you took the Clippers up there.

• 1:19:09Speaker 01

  They had the number one pick for a reason. Yeah, yeah.

• 1:19:11Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly. And like, dude, I remember like, I think it was Bill Simmons wrote like an article like saying like, it was like an open letter to Tommy Griffin, my dad was like, don't let the Clippers draft you, son. Like, you know what I mean?

• 1:19:23Speaker 01

  Warning.

• 1:19:23Speaker 05

  Really? You know what I mean? Like, because they had had, they were famously had had like three number one picks that none of them panned out. And so there was like a lot of unknown and it was like a little, a little bit daunting, but I kind of like, it was sort of, you know, it helped like the fact that I went to Oklahoma because it wasn't like at the time, it wasn't really a program that like, you know, it wasn't like a top 25 consistently year after year. And, and the whole conversation that I had with my coach, Jeff Cable there was like, you, you want to be a part of building something. You know what I mean? It means a lot to, to, to do that. And so I sort of had that experience in college and I kind of went in the NBA sort of with the same mindset of like, hey, like, well, you know, let's try to turn this around. And like, I, I don't think I realized the history of

• 1:20:08Speaker 05

  the Clippers at the time, but, um, you know, we got, we got lucky, you know, we, we had some great young players and Chris Paul came and that team, you know, started running and, and I think that's one of the things that we're like very proud of to this day is like. You know, the Clippers still have their faults, but like they're not looked at in the same light, you know, and, and we felt like we were sort of like part of that team that sort of tried to change that, that, that, you know, that mindset of the Clippers.

• 1:20:36Travis Kelce?

  When it was you, CP, DeAndre Jordan, fucking dunking on everybody, every fucking game was a highlight reel, like that shit, that shit made everybody Clipper fans, man. And it, it definitely boosted the stock. And I, and then you get Steve Ballmer creating a new stadium for him. Like you could definitely tell that it started when you guys were, were rocking and rolling and, and in the hunt for it, man.

• 1:21:00Speaker 01

  Do you think you got treated differently by guys playing against you because you're a number one pick? Like, do you think I had a, like a mark on you to be like, yeah, I'm going to show this guy what the NBA is like?

• 1:21:10Speaker 05

  Or? I think a little bit, but you know, like, it is like, you know, the, the term like brotherhood gets thrown around a lot. And, and like, I, I think when we came in, it was like a little bit different. Like guys were, especially on the Clippers, like the Clippers was kind of a place that like guys went to at the end of their careers, couldn't get a contract somewhere else. And like, they were just trying to make it. And so I didn't feel like it was like a, an environment where I was really like, you know, being like guys taking you under their wing and showing you the way. It was guys just trying to extend their careers and keep playing. And, um, and then that changed, you know, when Chris Paul came and then we had some great vets, you know, Chauncey Billups, Grant Hill, like we had Lamar Odom, who was like this, this, one of my favorite teammates,

• 1:21:52Speaker 05

  Jamal Crowe. So we, we, we sort of had that later on. But yeah, I mean, you definitely, I think you have a target on your back as like the number one pick. Um, but like, I also had like a chip on my shoulder because I had to sit out my whole first year, you know, my, my first year I was hurt. And like, I, dude, I had to hear, for an entire year, I had to hear about how the Clippers messed up another draft. And like this guy was going to be a bust. And like, you know, I'm just sitting there like just steaming, just ready to, you know, so ready to like play that like, when I finally did, you know, that next year, I was just like, was like, you know, no mercy, just try to go dunk everything and try to just like play as hard as you can.

• 1:22:28Travis Kelce?

  Then you came in and you went straight to the All-Star game, um, which is fucking. That's the Blake Griffin we all know. Was that the year that you jumped into the dunk contest too?

• 1:22:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, that was my rookie year. So like, I mean, I sat out my whole first year. So that wasn't my rookie year. So the next one I came back, that was my rookie year. And then, yeah, I was like, got lucky, man. I made the All-Star game and got to do the dunk contest and checked off some spots.

• 1:22:54Travis Kelce?

  Everybody looked at the dunk contest like it just isn't what it was because it's, you don't have the huge names that you typically saw, at least we saw growing up, the superstars of the league. So did you feel that like, had that always been a dream of yours? Or did you feel like you kind of owed that to the, to the game or?

• 1:23:12Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, both. I definitely like, I mean, I, dude, I would like, I would record Vince Carter's dunk contest.

• 1:23:17Travis Kelce?

  Come on now, 97. Come on now.

• 1:23:18Speaker 05

  I recorded him, dude. I mean, that was like my childhood and that was like peak, you know, like watching like tapes of like Michael Jordan doing the dunk contest and all these big names. Like, it was like, yeah, I want to do that. But also like, yeah, I do think that like, there's the reason why the dunk contest kind of is what it is, is like, guys just don't want to do it anymore. And which is kind of a shame because it's like, I don't know, it's like, have we built it up too much where guys don't want to go do it and fail? Or like, you know, for me, like, dude, being the 6'10", like 260, like, dunk contests really aren't like my specialty. Like, just dunking in game is more like my thing. Big guys like Dwight, Dwight did it three years, I think. And like, that was

• 1:24:00Speaker 05

  awesome. I thought that was great because like, it's a big guy who, again, like, not really his specialty. But like, we just need guys to do it. And I like, we need the young guys to do it. We need the Anthony Edwards, the Zion's, we need all those guys.

• 1:24:12Travis Kelce?

  Come on, Ant. Come on, Ant. Just go up there and just fucking, you don't got to do a whole 360 windmill between the legs. Like, just go in there and just fucking.

• 1:24:21Speaker 05

  Just do something. You know what I mean? Like, dude, the, the Aaron Gordon, Zach Levine dunk contest was incredible. It was one of the best dunk contests ever. And since then, it just, we haven't really had like, the, you know, the names or like the, but I think that's what it is. Like, I think, you know, I say this as like somebody who's brought in a car as a prop.

• 1:24:42Travis Kelce?

  Shout out to Kia.

• 1:24:44Speaker 05

  Doesn't have to be Kimmy.

• 1:24:50Speaker 05

  So I don't know. I, I, I hope it gets back.

• 1:24:54Speaker 01

  A fan out of the stands, the ability to try and block the dunk so that we can just get posterized like images. I don't fucking know. Yeah.

• 1:25:04Speaker 05

  Is this your, is this your like, is this you trying to like get on the court?

• 1:25:07Speaker 01

  I want to be able to block. I want to see if I can block a dunk. Yeah.

• 1:25:11Travis Kelce?

  Just slam ball style.

• 1:25:12Speaker 05

  Like I've been training guys.

• 1:25:14Speaker 01

  I've been doing my quarter squats. I feel like it might happen. Put a force like uh, scale. So like, see who can dunk the hardest. Like who can apply the most pounds per force to the rim? Yes. Who can shatter their skin on their fingers hardest?

• 1:25:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, we gotta do something. So I don't know. I appreciate, I appreciate you throwing out these options, Jason.

• 1:25:40Speaker 01

  We want to educate our fans on basketball history. Big moments in the NBA. Can you explain the significance of this photo of a chair?

• 1:25:50Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Remember like it was yesterday. Uh, high level, real quick. Deandre Jordan is with us for years. Dallas tries to sign him away. Our boy CP was on Dallas at the time, was part of the recruiting process. They got DJ to, to commit. Um, and then so Deandre was like, he had texted me. So he, he commits to them on like a Saturday call. He texts me on Sunday and he's like, what, what you think? And I'm like, what do you mean? What do I think? Like I'd already told him, like, you know, happy for you. You know, you gotta do what you gotta do. And um, he's, I can tell he's having second thoughts. And so I get a phone call from Doc Rivers, our coach of like, hey, I think we can get DJ back, but I need you to get on a plane and go to Houston where

• 1:26:34Speaker 05

  Deandre's off season house was. And so I'm like, all right. So I'm texting Deandre like, hey, I'm coming in, go to his house, spend like that night, you know, staying with him, making sure that like Mark Cuban can't come back in and convince him to sign. And everybody comes in the next day, Doc Rivers, JJ, Chris Paul, JJ Reddick, Chris Paul, um, and myself. And we're all in his house and we're like, you know, convincing him like, hey, like this is the play. We want you here. Like we can do it. And uh, he's like, all right, I'm in. And you can't sign the contract to make it official until like midnight that night.

• 1:27:09Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:27:09Speaker 05

  11pm because we're in Central time. So we're just sitting in his house and NBA Twitter is going nuts. Just nuts. They're like, there's all the rumors flying around like what, what's happening? What's going on? People were saying that we held him hostage. So I'm like, all right, well, we're gonna be stuck here. I'm gonna like, I'm gonna start fucking with people. So, you know, go put the chair under the door, take a picture, send it out. And like, it was the most nuts day on NBA Twitter.

• 1:27:36Speaker 01

  That's amazing.

• 1:27:37Travis Kelce?

  Dude, I mean, nobody, nobody wanted Lob City to break up, man. You guys were so fucking electric. And I've heard through, through multiple sources, I mean, Joe Dumars was just talking, hyping Deandre up not too long ago, talking about the type of teammate he is and how he's, he's one of the most veteran like leaders. And it's not just in front of the cameras. It's like, he's just, he's just one of the best guys to have on, on your roster because of who he is. And I already know you guys had fucking unbelievable time. But can you speak a little bit upon like, what, what is it that Deandre really brought to the team in terms of that energy?

• 1:28:11Speaker 05

  Dude, he's like, I mean, you know, you see him now as like a vet and like, it's easier for vets to do that. But he was that for us when he was, you know, second, third, fourth year in the league. Like, he's like a connector of people. And not to mention, he was just an absolute freak athlete. Like, he, I watch him like physically punk a lot of centers and just like, also never gets hurt. Like, just like, he, he's, he's a monster. But like, off the court, he's just one of those people that brings people together. You know what I mean? He, he keeps everything light. He knows, he has incredible like empathy and EQ. Like, his emotional awareness is like off the charts where like, he sees somebody like, you know, not, not maybe having their best day or best game, and he'll go put his

• 1:28:55Speaker 05

  arm around them because he's built that relationship with each guy on the team. So I definitely, I saw the Joe Dumars quote and I was, it's so true. I mean, he, he's like, and now at this point of his career, he's just pouring back into other guys and, and being a mentor. But he was like, he was such an important piece for us, even when he was younger, you know, and in the prime of his career. Just the type of person he is.

• 1:29:18Travis Kelce?

  Love hearing that. You guys were unstoppable on the court, but I definitely was throwing fucking lobs left and right on 2K. Dog, god, fucking epic.

• 1:29:27Speaker 01

  Hey, yo.

• 1:29:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, it was, it was good. We had a good run. Didn't, didn't quite reach the mountaintop, but uh, yeah, it'll, that'll, it'll always haunt me. So thanks for bringing that up, guys.

• 1:29:37Travis Kelce?

  No, no, no. We're so positive here, man. It's all positive.

• 1:29:40Speaker 05

  Wait, but hold on. What is like, what is the football equivalent of it? Is it just like trucking somebody like for a touchdown?

• 1:29:46Speaker 01

  There's a few. So getting mossed is probably the closest equivalent, which is like the receiver jumping up over a DB to catch it, right? Um, another version.

• 1:29:56Travis Kelce?

  On the defensive side is just absolutely lighting a motherfucker up. I think that's just, you can't, you don't want to get caught. Especially if you see him coming.

• 1:30:05Speaker 01

  That's supposed to.

• 1:30:06Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. It's one thing if you don't see it coming.

• 1:30:08Speaker 05

  How tough is that in film? How tough is that in film? Like the next year?

• 1:30:14Travis Kelce?

  I mean, for me, if I get lit up, it's like, ah, you know, it's part of the gig, you know, especially if it happens to where I don't see it.

• 1:30:20Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:30:21Travis Kelce?

  It happened in my first game. Honestly, I talk about it all the time. Bernard Pollard was like fucking back there like trying to, he was a veteran at that point. So he was playing for Tennessee and he was like trying to like fake whether he was in cover four, cover three, playing the middle field. And he kind of just like at the last second came like snuck down into the box. And the last time I looked at him, I was like, all right, cool. He's back. And when I caught the ball, I tried to catch it and like use my momentum to like get upfield. And he fucking rocked me to the point where like, it's like, what the fuck is going on? What the fuck is going on? Oh shit. I don't have the ball anymore. And like, I just grab on to like the closest person to me to try and save them from getting to the ball.

• 1:31:01Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:31:03Travis Kelce?

  And I watched that over like 10 times crying, laughing like, God damn, that's a fucking welcome to the NFL moment if I've ever fucking.

• 1:31:11Speaker 05

  Yeah, for sure. You got, you definitely have to like, you can't, you can't get salty about like getting dunked on or get, you gotta like embrace it.

• 1:31:19Speaker 01

  You can't be deleting your Twitter. You just gotta run with it, right? You just gotta go. We had a

• 1:31:24Travis Kelce?

  Shout out to Perk.

• 1:31:25Speaker 01

  The worst is when you have just an awful play, but it's like a huge play that you know they're just gonna replay forever. Like Landon Dickerson's first ever play in the NFL. Landon's an unbelievable guard. He comes in at right guard. He hadn't played it. It was his first play in the NFL halfway through the year because his knee was all fucked up from college. Eric Armstead just man, Mountain Dean, like bull rushes him and throws him on his back. And it was like one of the biggest plays of the year. And so now like for the last four years, you're just, every time they install that concept, look at all of that play and Landon is just like, ah shit.

• 1:32:00Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's so tough. Like it's an iconic play that just won't go away your whole career.

• 1:32:06Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's like, god damn it, this one again.

• 1:32:08Travis Kelce?

  Mine is every single time we play the Chargers, I get everybody hitting me up on social media about when Derwin James suplexed me at the goal line.

• 1:32:17Travis Kelce?

  Literally, it was like, it was like a dead, it was a, it was a dead play. It was like, Pat's like fucking scrambling back and forth. Did he have this fucking dialed up, Brandon? You sick son of a bitch.

• 1:32:29Speaker 01

  He got to this very quickly.

• 1:32:31Travis Kelce?

  I had already ran like three different routes. Oh no. Oh, fuck.

• 1:32:38Travis Kelce?

  Even worse, the ball, as soon as I hit the ground, fucking shoots up like a goddamn firecracker. And I'm just like, I'm just like, god damn it. Nobody likes to talk about how I made two guys miss on that play. Yeah, let alone, Derwin's just a fucking strong guy, man. Strong guy.

• 1:32:58Speaker 05

  Strong, he's a strong guy.

• 1:32:59Travis Kelce?

  There was a moment where you're just, you're on top of his shoulders and I'm just like, fuck.

• 1:33:05Speaker 05

  Oh no.

• 1:33:06Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:07Speaker 01

  We'll see what happens here.

• 1:33:08Travis Kelce?

  I'm just like, just hold on to it.

• 1:33:10Speaker 05

  Yeah. Just trying to, trying to survey your options and you have none.

• 1:33:15Speaker 01

  Can I put my, can I lean on somebody else?

• 1:33:18Travis Kelce?

  Can I throw? Who's open? Is anybody open?

• 1:33:20Speaker 05

  Yeah. But like those plays, those type of plays always happen in such slow motion.

• 1:33:25Travis Kelce?

  Oh, you already know.

• 1:33:25Speaker 05

  In real life.

• 1:33:26Speaker 01

  Hundred percent.

• 1:33:27Speaker 05

  And you're just like, it just replays in your mind over and over again. The worst.

• 1:33:33Speaker 01

  All right, we're here, though. We gotta ask. You do not have to answer. We are gonna ask. Who has the better squirrel tweet? Blake or Travis?

• 1:33:42Travis Kelce?

  Blake, you got a squirrel tweet?

• 1:33:43Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:33:44Speaker 01

  I didn't know this either. I'm looking forward to it. So obviously, everyone knows on our show, Blake, I'm not sure if you're aware. This is Travis's squirrel tweet. I just gave a squirrel a piece of bread and it straight smashed all of it. I had no idea they ate bread like that.

• 1:34:00Speaker 05

  The best part is the haha.

• 1:34:06Speaker 05

  It's so good. By the way, that's like, that's like, old Twitter was like, that's what it was. It was just people just saying.

• 1:34:14Travis Kelce?

  Guys, you won't believe what, you won't believe what just happened.

• 1:34:17Speaker 01

  This was when Twitter was better. Let's just all agree on that. We need to get back to this.

• 1:34:23Travis Kelce?

  Just so everyone knows, the 12,000 retweets and 300 comments were like 30 years after this. Like, that got absolutely no traction when I posted that. I was like, I was like going back to my phone, like looking at it like, still nobody. All right.

• 1:34:44Travis Kelce?

  Nobody wanted to hit me back? Like, that's crazy, dude. No, no.

• 1:34:49Speaker 01

  All right, here's Blake's tweet. Accidentally hit a squirrel yesterday in my car. Feel so guilty I could barely sleep.

• 1:35:02Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'll never forget. I was driving home from practice and I just, I like clipped its leg. And I looked back in the rearview mirror and I see it just like struggling and I was just like, no, like, I felt so bad. And then, yeah, I don't know, for some reason, by the way, that was Twitter at the time. I was like, yeah, I guess I'll tweet about this.

• 1:35:23Travis Kelce?

  It's the best, right?

• 1:35:24Speaker 05

  I wish I had put haha crazy, though.

• 1:35:26Travis Kelce?

  Always gotta end it with a little hashtag, man. What's a good hashtag for this?

• 1:35:31Speaker 05

  Crazy.

• 1:35:34Speaker 05

  I would have loved to see like your workshop, like you're workshopping which other ones you didn't use.

• 1:35:39Travis Kelce?

  Not a big vocabulary.

• 1:35:41Speaker 05

  That's nuts, LOL.

• 1:35:42Travis Kelce?

  That's nuts.

• 1:35:46Speaker 05

  That's amazing.

• 1:35:47Travis Kelce?

  We gotta ask you some rapid fire, standard NBA podcast questions. What's your favorite Kobe story?

• 1:35:53Speaker 05

  Oh, man. That I like, that I like witnessed myself?

• 1:35:59Travis Kelce?

  Sure, yeah. Sure. Or, or one that you heard of. Either one's fine.

• 1:36:03Speaker 05

  Well, I'll give you like one that I like, like really shows you how much of like a, just a competitor he is. We're training camp for 2012 Olympics. We're in Vegas doing workouts. And at the time, like I, I, I'd been fortunate enough to make the team and I was kind of like one of the younger guys. And so they would always have other younger guys come in and scrimmage us. And so like Paul George was on the younger team and Aaron Gordon and Kyrie.

• 1:36:27Travis Kelce?

  Kyrie was.

• 1:36:27Speaker 05

  And so we're, we're, we're scrimmaging like day one and I'm like, man, like, these guys are like, kind of like, they're kind of frying Kobe. And I didn't like, of course I didn't say anything. I was just kind of like taking note of it. And then day two, kind of same thing. I'm like, he, he does not look good. I'm like, is this, in my mind, I'm like, am I seeing the end of like Kobe Bryant? Like, is he, can he not do it anymore? So day three, I'm down in the weight room at the hotel before we go over on the buses for practice. I'm working out and I see Kobe and his trainer and, or two of his trainers and a security guard walking like kind of through like the, the gym, you know, like going and they're covered in sweat. I'm like, man, he must've just got it. And I asked one of his trainers, I'm like, you guys, what'd you guys do? You just work out?

• 1:37:11Speaker 05

  And he goes, I'm like, what's up? And he goes, Kobe's got us doing these like 60 mile bike rides at like 2 a.m.

• 1:37:19Speaker 05

  And so I realized that he like, he didn't care about the practice at all. I mean, he practiced hard. But he was going, he was waking his trainers up and they would go for a 60 mile bike ride at 2 a.m. In Vegas, this is the only time he could do it because it's Vegas in the summer. And then he would come in, he would go to the weight room and he would work out, he would go eat breakfast and then he would come to practice. And I was like, oh, that's why he doesn't look.

• 1:37:44Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:37:45Travis Kelce?

  That's why he looks a little slower today.

• 1:37:47Speaker 05

  Everybody else is like in the club and Kobe's like working out. But like that, that to me is like, just like the, the guy was, it's an absolute basketball sicko in the best way. You know what I mean? Like, did things to like, like he, he would do workouts to just gain like a mental edge.

• 1:38:05Travis Kelce?

  Feel more confident about what he's doing. Yeah, that's crazy.

• 1:38:09Speaker 05

  I don't know. I just love that. Cause like, man, he was like, he was awesome.

• 1:38:13Speaker 01

  He was.

• 1:38:13Travis Kelce?

  R I P, man.

• 1:38:14Speaker 01

  Now that he's won a playoff game with his son, and we do hate asking this question because it's stupid. Who, but we have to ask it. That's the, gotta ask, who's the GOAT? LeBron or MJ?

• 1:38:26Speaker 05

  Oh, man. I mean, that was a pretty cool moment. I, I'm such a like, such an MJ guy. Like we all get judged as, as athletes, we get judged on winning. And I, to me, like there's, there's no basketball player that has won in a better fashion, in a more dominant fashion than Michael Jordan.

• 1:38:43Travis Kelce?

  It's hard to argue.

• 1:38:44Speaker 05

  Like six times to the finals, six and O, never went to a game seven, finals MVP every year. Like highest points per game average in the playoffs. Like he has all these things that like, I'm just like, in terms of like a career, like he won the best. And that's how we get judged. LeBron has had like the best career from top to bottom. He's still doing it. But like, you know, I think, I think you go with the way guys win. So I, I have Jordan one, I have LeBron two, but it like, I think the problem with this debate is like, people think that you're saying that one guy sucks because you're.

• 1:39:22Speaker 05

  They're both the best of all time. You know, that's, that's, if I have to rank it, that's why, that's what I, that's how I rank those things.

• 1:39:30Speaker 01

  Who's your all time starting five?

• 1:39:33Travis Kelce?

  Ooh, I can't wait to hear this one.

• 1:39:34Speaker 05

  Oh, man. Okay. Okay. Um, let's go. Dude, I'm gonna put, I'm gonna put Steph at one, the one, the point guard.

• 1:39:42Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, that makes sense.

• 1:39:44Speaker 01

  Get him out on the court. He needs to be out there.

• 1:39:46Speaker 05

  Uh, yeah. Get, put the ball in his hands. Let him do what he does. So I'm gonna go MJ at two. LeBron at the three, Tim Duncan at the four.

• 1:39:57Travis Kelce?

  Tim Duncan.

• 1:39:59Speaker 05

  Tim Duncan is my favorite power forward of, I mean, he's the best power forward of all time.

• 1:40:03Speaker 01

  The technician.

• 1:40:05Travis Kelce?

  God damn it, the bank is always open. Did you ever fucking hit a bank shot from like 20 feet out? Cause that was like his patent move.

• 1:40:12Speaker 05

  Tell you what, I tried.

• 1:40:15Travis Kelce?

  He made it look like it was easier, like you had a better percentage if you went bank from anywhere on that angle, yeah.

• 1:40:21Speaker 05

  Big fundamental, that's my, that's my, gonna be my four. And then I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go Shaq, just the most dominant player of all time at the four.

• 1:40:31Travis Kelce?

  Shaquille O'Neal. I mean, yeah, it's, you can't argue with that shit.

• 1:40:35Speaker 05

  What's crazy is like, I just had to like leave Kobe off the list.

• 1:40:38Travis Kelce?

  That is crazy.

• 1:40:39Speaker 05

  If you're not doing it by like, okay, I need a point guard and all this, like I would just go Kobe, MJ, LeBron. And then I would go Tim Duncan, you know, so, um, but I'm just, you know, I like to mix it up.

• 1:40:50Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. All right. I hear you.

• 1:40:51Speaker 05

  So I'm not really rapid firing these. I'm giving a long drawn out explanation of everything.

• 1:40:56Speaker 01

  We'll cut it up. We'll cut it up. It'll seem real fast. They'll be like, man, he was quick with that starting five.

• 1:41:04Speaker 01

  You've done stand up before. Um, is comedy something that you want to pursue more of? Do you want to full time be in the club? Like where are you at in your stand up career?

• 1:41:13Travis Kelce?

  In the club?

• 1:41:14Speaker 05

  I want to be in the club every day.

• 1:41:18Speaker 05

  Yeah, I don't know. I love stand up, man. It's, um, it's like fascinating to me. It's like a really fun challenge. I just love comedy, man. I love it so much. And I'm working on a couple of things. Nothing, I'm not really working on stand up right now, but I kind of always have, I keep like a notes folder of jokes. So I'm like, kind of always like writing jokes if like I think of something. I don't know what I'm gonna do with it, but maybe someday it'd be pretty cool to have like a special at one point.

• 1:41:45Travis Kelce?

  Fuck yes.

• 1:41:46Speaker 05

  I don't know. I don't know. We'll see.

• 1:41:48Travis Kelce?

  Is that have you? All right. So you've just kind of like tested the waters of the stand up world.

• 1:41:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, I've done like I went and hosted this show at this big comedy festival, I think for the first time. And then I've done stuff here and there. I did like a roast, a comedy central roast, which is all like really fun. But my thing about stand up too is like, I don't want to go to like the comedy store and like ask for time. And then somebody gets bumped, like some guy who's like grinding, trying to make it like, you know, but I do love it. So I'm working on some, some projects right now that are like comedy based. And, you know, we'll see, see how those go.

• 1:42:23Travis Kelce?

  Give me, give me a top three comics of all time.

• 1:42:26Speaker 05

  For me, Chappelle is like, like, because it was just like my era, you know, like we do. We were like, we were in high school, like when Chappelle was like.

• 1:42:36Speaker 01

  That first episode, I will never forget going into the school.

• 1:42:40Travis Kelce?

  The next.

• 1:42:41Speaker 01

  After Clayton Bigsby made its television debut.

• 1:42:46Speaker 05

  Oh, my gosh, dude. If you like, didn't watch the show like that Wednesday night on Thursday, like you weren't involved in conversations.

• 1:42:57Speaker 01

  So true.

• 1:42:58Travis Kelce?

  I'm Rick James, bitch.

• 1:43:00Speaker 05

  Chappelle is like, definitely my, definitely my top three. I gotta, I have to go like Eddie Murphy.

• 1:43:07Travis Kelce?

  Oh, okay. Taking it back. Nice.

• 1:43:10Speaker 01

  Leather, the leather tracksuit or jumpsuit.

• 1:43:12Speaker 05

  Yeah, delirious. Eddie Murphy, delirious. Can't say that. That guy's canceled.

• 1:43:20Speaker 01

  Comedians are, they're walking a fine line usually.

• 1:43:23Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, for sure. You know, you know, I love now, like, like, you can't really put him in a top three. But right now, like, dude, Shane Gillis is just, everything he touches, man.

• 1:43:33Travis Kelce?

  He's probably one of my favorites of all time, dog. Every single time I see that dude on screen, I am fucking dying laughing.

• 1:43:41Speaker 05

  Yeah, dude. And it does like, it could be like just him, a podcast clip of him just talking. And it's just, he's always had something. Yeah, it's, it's, it's really incredible. So I hope he keeps going on that trajectory. So I'll go with those three. I'll probably get some flack for Shane being in the top three at this point in his career, but he's on his way.

• 1:43:58Travis Kelce?

  100%, especially with tires. All right, let's get into our last question. We always ask everybody, what was their welcome to their profession moment? So what was your welcome to NBA moment for you?

• 1:44:08Speaker 05

  Oh, man. Um, I'd say.

• 1:44:14Speaker 05

  My, the first time I played against Kobe, you know, I'm like so hyped up and jump before the jump ball, he's like, hey, what's up, young fellow, like, congratulations, I'm like, man, are me and Kobe boys? I think we're both friends.

• 1:44:30Travis Kelce?

  I knew he knew who I was.

• 1:44:34Speaker 05

  We might, there's a chance we hang out after this. So, and I'm sitting like, you know, this is like maybe second quarter, I'm sitting like this pin down screen and so from my, from my teammate and he's guarding him, Kobe's guarding him and he's coming off and like Kobe's just like we talked, he's a, just a competitor and he comes off that screen so hard and just catches me in the stomach harder than I've ever been hit in the stomach in my life. I'm just like doubled over and just like rethink, I'm like, you know what, maybe we're not friends.

• 1:45:09Travis Kelce?

  He was a lot nicer before than he is now.

• 1:45:12Speaker 05

  But it was like a good reminder of like, it was like, kinda like that welcome to the NBA was like, no, you, you can say hello before the game, but you know, that, that jump ball happens, like it's, it's all at war.

• 1:45:23Travis Kelce?

  Hell yeah, man.

• 1:45:24Speaker 05

  And he was like the, you know, he was like maybe one of the last great guys who like, it was like cool before the game, cool after the game, during the game, fuck you, you're the enemy. You know what I mean? I love that. I just think it's great because it's no hard feelings. It's like we're, we're, we're competing.

• 1:45:40Travis Kelce?

  Ultimate competitor, man. And you definitely had that too, brother Blake. Thank you so much for the story, dog. Thank you for the time. One of my all time favorites on the court, dog. And I've honestly, ever since we got to hang, dog, just the fucking best, man. It's always fucking laughs through the fucking roof and can't wait to see how the, the rest of the Amazon stuff goes for you these playoffs. We'll be watching, brother.

• 1:46:01Speaker 05

  I appreciate you guys. Thanks for having me, man.

• 1:46:04Speaker 01

  Thank you to Blake Griffin. That conversation was once again brought to you by Reese's.

• 1:46:09Travis Kelce?

  He is so fucking great.

• 1:46:10Speaker 01

  Travis and I call it Reese's. He is the best. I mean, fucking hilarious.

• 1:46:16Travis Kelce?

  It's fun going down memory lane with the big guy, man.

• 1:46:19Speaker 01

  Smart as hell, also funny as fuck, can chop it up, can goof, be a goofball. He is-

• 1:46:24Travis Kelce?

  Jack of all trades, man.

• 1:46:26Speaker 01

  Was an incredible player, but he is made for doing TV and entertainment.

• 1:46:30Travis Kelce?

  I forgot to ask him about how, why is he so good at commercials? I forgot to fucking ask him, man. He is literally one of the best.

• 1:46:38Speaker 01

  The best.

• 1:46:38Travis Kelce?

  Commercial, like athletes into endorsements commercials wise, bro.

• 1:46:43Speaker 01

  God damn it.

• 1:46:44Travis Kelce?

  Oh, well, I have to ask him in person next time I see him.

• 1:46:46Speaker 01

  He's got the it factor. He's, nobody's saying he's overexposed. Nobody was yelling at him for going to basketball.

• 1:46:57Travis Kelce?

  Nobody's yelling.

• 1:46:57Speaker 01

  He's just got it. He's just got it.

• 1:46:59Travis Kelce?

  Kelseys off my fucking screen. God damn it.

• 1:47:02Speaker 01

  All right. That wraps up another episode of New Heights. Thank you to Blake Griffin. Also, there are still tickets available for our New Heights live show in LA on June 15th.

• 1:47:10Travis Kelce?

  Let's go, baby.

• 1:47:11Speaker 01

  Link in the description.

• 1:47:12Travis Kelce?

  Let's go.

• 1:47:13Speaker 01

  Make sure you subscribe to the New Heights channel on YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts.

• 1:47:17Travis Kelce?

  Once again, New Heights a wonder show brought to you by Xfinity. Follow the show on all social media. At New Heights Show with one S for fun clips throughout the week. We're gonna have a bunch with our guy Blake. Thank you to New Heights production team. Thank you to the 92 percenters for tuning in. We'll see you guys next week, baby. Peace.

• 1:47:45Speaker 01

  This is, this is the first day. I just want to preface, this is the first day of trying to dugout basketball in 20 years.

• 1:48:04Speaker 01

  I'm gonna tear my ACL trying to do this anymore. Alright, that's good enough. That's him for today.

• 1:48:08Travis Kelce?

  That's it for today.

• 1:48:12Travis Kelce?

  Oh.

• 1:48:14Speaker 01

  Full disclosure, that's a nine foot rim, that's a nine.

• 1:48:16Travis Kelce?

  I was about to say, no way.

• 1:48:21Speaker 01

  Okay, this is pre quarter squat. I'm telling you, if I show you some later clips, I think.

• 1:48:25Travis Kelce?

  It did get better. I'll vouch, I'll vouch. It did get better after this, yes. He, I told him, I was like, bro, you're like gathering steps. You look like a fucking idiot.

• 1:48:36Speaker 05

  You look like an offensive lineman.

• 1:48:39Travis Kelce?

  Yep, we gotta get your technique down. Go watch some Blake Griffin highlights. Watch how he gathers.

• 1:48:45Speaker 05

  We got, it's all about the approach and the last two steps and then.

• 1:48:48Travis Kelce?

  There we go.

• 1:48:49Speaker 05

  Gotta work on those hands too, maybe.

• 1:48:50Travis Kelce?

  We gotta, maybe we could space them out. You got spacers, Jason?

• 1:48:54Speaker 01

  I was spraying tough skin, the stuff they put on your ankles before they tape them.

• 1:49:01Travis Kelce?

  I will say this, Jason's only working with four fucking fingers. He fucking snapped it.

• 1:49:06Speaker 01

  One of them's not great.

• 1:49:07Speaker 05

  That's, yeah, that doesn't help.

• 1:49:09Travis Kelce?

  God, that was fucking hilarious, dude. I hadn't seen that first clip in a minute.

• 1:49:16Speaker 05

  We got some work to do, but we'll get you there.