Pod Insights Killer Stories with Harvey Guillén The Convict Who Faked His Death For Love About this episode A brilliant con man turns his life into a high-stakes romantic heist, embezzling fortunes and pulling off mind-bending jailbreaks—all to keep the man he loves in the lifestyle he thinks he deserves.
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I Love You Phillip Morris : A True Story of Life, Love and Prison Breaks by Steve McVicker
Reporting from Alex Hannaford in Esquire
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0:07 Harvey Guillén? Have you ever heard of the ship Theseus? It's an old Greek thought experiment that goes like this. Picture a wooden ship that sails the seas for decades. Eventually, a plank rots and gets replaced. Then another. Then the mass. Over time, every piece of the original ship gets swapped out until nothing original remains. So, the question is, is it still the same ship? It's a question about identity, about whether we're defined by what we're made of or by what we choose to become.
0:49 Harvey Guillén? Some people spend their lives trying to escape who they are, building new identities until they forget what's underneath. But the better you get at wearing disguises, the harder it becomes to take them off. At some point, you have to ask yourself, if you've replaced every piece of who you were, are you still you? Or have you become something else entirely? I'm Harvey Guillén, and this is Killer Stories.
1:45 Harvey Guillén? It's 1976 in Norfolk, Virginia, and Steven Russell is exactly the person he's supposed to be. He's got the conservative haircut, the starch collar, and the job at his family's produce business. He volunteers as a deputy sheriff on weekends, helping with traffic stops and community events. On Sundays, he plays the organ at church. And when he marries Debbie Davis, the police chief's secretary's daughter, it feels like the final piece clicking into place. Three years later, they have a daughter named Stephanie. From the outside, Steven's life looks like a Norman Rockwell painting.
2:27 Harvey Guillén? But he spent his whole life trying to fit into frames that don't quite match his shape. He was adopted as an infant and raised by Georgia and David Russell, conservative people who loved him but never quite understood him. And there's another secret, one he buries deeper than the adoption: Stephen's gay. This is 1970s Virginia, where being gay can cost you your job, your family, and your freedom. So Stephen does what a lot of gay men did back then, and still today.
3:09 Harvey Guillén? He builds a life that looks normal from the outside, hoping that if he plays the part well enough, long enough, maybe the feelings will go away. Spoiler alert: they don't. Instead, Stephen becomes an expert at being one person in public and another in the rare moments when nobody's watching. And maybe that's why he's so good at becoming other people later. He's been doing it his whole life. In his spare time, he uses his access to law enforcement databases to search for his biological mother.
3:52 Harvey Guillén? He's exploiting his position to learn how to find people who don't want to be found, how to access information that's supposed to be private. It takes years, but he finally finds her. Just before they meet, he's nervous but hopeful. Maybe she'll want to know him. Maybe she'll explain why she gave him up. Maybe meeting her will help him understand who he's supposed to be. Stephen tells her who he is, that he's been looking for her his whole life, and then she rejects him completely.
4:32 Harvey Guillén? Doesn't want him in her life, doesn't want to know him, doesn't want a reminder of a mistake she made decades ago.
4:42 Harvey Guillén? Steven leaves that meeting feeling hollowed out. If his birth mother doesn't want him, his adoptive family can't see who he really is, and he can't even be honest about who he loves, then who is Steven exactly? In the early 1980s, Steven moves to Houston. He gets an executive job with Cisco, a national food distributor. They double his Virginia salary and he buys a house in one of Houston's upscale subdivisions. Months later, once he's settled in, Debbie and Stephanie come to join him.
5:23 Harvey Guillén? By that time, though, Steven's already living a double life. During the day, he's a respectable food industry exec. At night, he drives into Houston's vibrant gay neighborhood, where nobody knows his real name. He meets men at bars, goes dancing, explores a whole world he's kept hitting for decades. Nobody at work knows, neither does Debbie. And Steven's getting really, really good at being two different people at once. And then, in 1985, Steven's adopted father dies. It triggers a personal crisis in Steven.
6:05 Harvey Guillén? The man who raised him and loved him is gone, and Steven never told him the truth about his sexuality. Steven had spent more than 30 years building up his walls. When his father dies, those walls start to crumble. The night of April 15, 1986, begins like many of Steven's evenings. He picks up a man he's been dating in his new Corvette. They drive into the city, eat dinner, go dancing at a bar. Late that evening, they return to the man's apartment. You can fill in the blanks from here. About an hour and a half later, Steven gets in his car and drives home. He's feeling good.
6:50 Harvey Guillén? He's had a few drinks, and he's behind the wheel of a flashy sports car. Things couldn't be better. Well, they're about to get a lot worse.
7:01 Harvey Guillén? He's doing 60 an hour in a 35 zone when he passes a police car. Instead of slowing down, Steven hits the gas. He loses control, his car flips multiple times, throwing him in a ditch. His pelvis is shattered. Doctors expect him to die. Somehow, he survives. His marriage doesn't. While Steven recovers, Debbie takes over the finances. She discovers credit card bills from bars and restaurants she's never been to, hotels she doesn't recognize. The double life Steven's been living starts to unravel.
7:44 Harvey Guillén? Debbie, of course, assumes Steven has been cheating on her, so she confronts him. Steven tells Debbie the truth. He has been cheating, but not with a woman. Steven tells Debbie that he's gay. That the life they've built together isn't real, at least not for him. And look, I can't imagine how hard that conversation must have been for both of them. Debbie's world just implodes. Everything she thought she knew about her husband, her marriage, her future, gone in an instant. But to Debbie's credit, she doesn't get mad.
8:25 Harvey Guillén? She's hurt and devastated, but she also seems to understand that Steven's been drowning and decided to come up for air. They divorce, but remain friends. Finally, Steven stops hiding. He moves into a small apartment and starts attending a church that gears its ministry to the queer community. He meets a man named Jimmy Kemble. Tall, dark, handsome? For the first time in his life, Steven gets to be himself. He lives openly as a gay man. Eventually, Steven and Jimmy move to Miami together and rent an apartment in Palm Beach.
9:10 Harvey Guillén? They go to movies, concerts, at dinners. They hold hands walking down the street. For a guy who spent 30 years pretending to be someone else, this must feel like breathing for the first time. Except, there's a problem. They don't just want to be themselves. They want to live fabulously. Mercedes in the driveway, designer clothes, Michelin star restaurants. And that kind of lifestyle doesn't come easy when you're starting over in your 30s. So, when the money runs out, when the bills pile up, when reality threatens the life
9:54 Harvey Guillén? he's always dreamed of, Steven does what he's always done. He lies, he invents, and he becomes whoever he needs to be to survive. First, he exaggerates his credentials on job applications. And when that doesn't work, Steven starts running insurance scams. He fakes slip and fall accidents and sells counterfeit Rolex watches. The schemes get bigger as he gets more confident. And it works. Well, for a while. But in 1990, Steven gets caught, convicted of fraud, and sentenced to six months in
10:38 Harvey Guillén? jail. Six months, that's it. If Steven had just done his time and walked away clean, none of what comes next would have happened. But Steven spent his whole life hiding. Now that he's finally living openly, he can't stand the thought of going back into a cage. And what he can't stand even more than that is being away from Jimmy. Only a month into his sentence, Steven gets some devastating news. Jimmy's dying of AIDS. This is the early 90s, before the medications that would turn HIV from a death sentence into a manageable condition.
11:22 Harvey Guillén? Steven's heartbroken. His first real love is dying. And Steven's locked in a cell, helpless. He refuses to accept that. So, he does what desperate men do when backed into a corner. He takes a massive gamble.
11:47 Harvey Guillén? It's May 13, 1992, a Friday. Steven steals a set of civilian clothes from the intake area, where new prisoners surrender their belongings before being processed. Red sweatpants and a tie-dye t-shirt. Not exactly subtle, but they'll do. He also grabs a walkie-talkie from the medical bay. Steven clips the walkie-talkie to his belt, walks to the front gate, and taps.
12:14 Harvey Guillén? The guard barely glances before opening the door. Steve just waltzes out of jail, dressed like he's headed to a Grateful Dead concert, all because he had a walkie-talkie and a lot of confidence. Steven finds a payphone and calls Jimmy. "Uh, I got out of jail early. Meet me at the Miami airport tomorrow morning." Oh, sounds so romantic, right? Except, when Jimmy lands, Steven's like, "Um, so..." Funny thing. "I lied. I actually escaped, and we need to leave the country now." Before Jimmy can process this information, they're at the counter, buying tickets to Mexico City.
12:58 Harvey Guillén? But here's the problem. Jimmy's really close with his mom, which is normally a green flag, but not when you're fleeing the country. Jimmy calls to tell her the plan, and Ms. Campbell, being a good mom, doesn't think running off to Mexico with a fugitive is the best idea for her terminally ill son. So, she calls the police. Steven's arrested at the airport before he and Jimmy board the plane. "Thanks a lot, Mom." Even though he's clearly a flight risk, Steven is allowed to bond out.
13:36 Harvey Guillén? And instead of staying put, he and Jimmy run. Mexico, Chicago, Florida. Steven takes care of Jimmy as his health gets worse, just like he wanted. But it can't last because by traveling outside of Texas, Steven is violating the terms of his bond. He misses his first court hearing. Then the next one. They have 18 months together before police track him down in June 1994. Steven is sent back to jail, facing years of prison added to his sentence for the escape. Jimmy dies three weeks later.
14:20 Harvey Guillén? He's only 28 years old. Steven learns about it from his cell. He risked everything to be with Jimmy. But if you do the math, Steven's original sentence was six months. If he just served his time back in 1992, he would have been out in early 1993, free and clear. He could have been next to Jimmy on his deathbed. Instead, Steven chose to run. He got 18 precious months with Jimmy. Yes, but he missed the ending. Now, you'd think that would teach Steven something, that sometimes doing things the right way pays off in the end, that sometimes waiting is better than running.
15:04 Harvey Guillén? Instead, Steven learns he just needs to get better at running.
15:16 Harvey Guillén? In the spring of 1995, Steven Russell meets Phillip Morris in the jail library. I know what you're thinking, and no, I'm not reading an ad for cigarettes. It's just the guy's name, and he has no relation to Big Tobacco. Philip's in for failing to return a rental car. He's quiet, soft-spoken, the son of a Baptist preacher from Arkansas. When he needs help reaching a book on a high shelf, Steven volunteers. Hold on, I'll get that for you. And that's it. That's the me-cute. It's the rom-com nobody asked for, but everybody needs. Call it You Got Bail.
15:59 Harvey Guillén? Anyone? I spent hours on that joke. Nope? Okay then, moving on. Philip and Steven fall in love. They start spending every possible moment together. Writing letters, back and forth between cell blocks, planning what they'll do when they get out. Philip is gentle and reserved. He cries in his cell all day, every day. Steven sees a fragile Philip and wants nothing more than to become his rock, his protector, and his provider. He'll do anything for Philip.
16:39 Harvey Guillén? Like when Philip starts complaining about an inmate who screams constantly, keeping him from sleeping. Not long after, Philip finds a crowd gathered around his cell watching a fight. The screamers getting beaten up. When Philip asks, "What's going on?", someone tells him, "Steven paid to have it done." Which is a choice. I mean, we've all had a loud neighbor, right? Maybe you knocked on their door or called the landlord. Steven's approach is slightly more direct. And by slightly, I mean, he literally pays someone to beat the problem away.
17:25 Harvey Guillén? So, as you can probably tell, there are more than a few red flags in this relationship. But in Steve's mind, this is what love looks like. By the end of the year, Steven and Philip are both paroled and move in together in Houston. They have a chance to go legit, get jobs, and live happily ever after. But of course, that's not what they do. A stable living isn't enough for Steven. He wants to give Philip the swanky life he never got to provide for Jimmy. He wants a millionaire salary. But he doesn't exactly have a millionaire's resume.
18:09 Harvey Guillén? So Steven does what he does best. He becomes someone else. He places fake job ads in the newspaper for a Fortune 500 company that doesn't exist. Then waits for the real resumes to flood in. When they do, he cherry picks the best qualifications and stitches them together into his own Frankenstein CV. A law degree, CFO experience, employee of the year, twice. None of it is true, but all of it looks impressive on paper. Next, he sets up various answering machines. When potential employers call to verify his references,
18:54 Harvey Guillén? they think they're reaching Prudential Insurance. They're actually reaching Steven, who calls back the next day, doing his best corporate voice, to give himself glowing reviews. And somehow, the scheme works. Four months after he's paroled, Steven lands a gig at North American Medical Management. But not some menial office job. He becomes the company's chief financial officer. Steven's never managed finances in his life. He doesn't have a business degree. He's never worked in healthcare. But he does have confidence and a really good suit.
19:39 Harvey Guillén? Steven himself will later admit, "Most of the time, I make stuff up. It's just BS." Which is not exactly the energy you want from the person managing millions of dollars. But it works. The company's founder will later say that Steven was the best CFO they ever had. For five months, Steven works by day and embezzles by night. He steals around $800,000 from company accounts he set up without his bosses knowing they existed. He and Philip buy matching Mercedes, jet skis, and Rolex watches. The real ones this time,
20:23 Harvey Guillén? not the counterfeit Steven used to sell. They buy a house with a pool. They live like people who've made it. Until the bank notices that $800,000 is missing. Pretty quickly, it's traced to Steven.
20:45 Harvey Guillén? Steven and Philip are both arrested. Philip, the accomplice; Steven, the mastermind. Steven's bail is set at $900,000, which is a pretty clear message from the court system. You're not going anywhere, buddy. The judge knows Steven's already escaped once. They're not taking any chances. But Steven's sitting in his cell, and he's not panicking. He's thinking. And what he's thinking is, hmm, what if I just ask them to lower my bail? So he picks up the jail phone and calls the county records office. And when the clerk answers, Steven says he's a judge
21:29 Harvey Guillén? presiding over the Steven Russell case, and there's been a mistake with his bail. It should be $45,000, not $900,000. Can she fix that in the system?
21:43 Harvey Guillén? And you know what? The clerk does. She changes it. No questions asked, no verification. Just, "Okay, sure, 45K." Done. Steven posts bail with a check that later bounces. When he gets home that night, Philip's already there. He'd paid his bail, too. But he did it legally, with help from friends. Steven's like, "Oh, yeah. I totally did it legally, too." So he doesn't explain how he got the money, and Philip doesn't ask. Steven knows the clock is ticking. Someone at the clerk's office is going to figure out what he did.
22:26 Harvey Guillén? So he does what any rational person would do in this situation. He asks his boyfriend to go on a fun vacation together in Florida. They've only had a few sunset walks in Palm Beach to before Steven reveals the truth. He didn't actually bail out legally. On top of that, an unknown accomplice has been wiring him money. There's a chance authorities are already tracking them. He hasn't exactly been careful. Philip is livid. Rightfully so. Philip made bail the right way. He had a shot at fighting his case legally.
23:11 Harvey Guillén? He was supposed to stay in Texas and show up for court. Instead, he's in Florida with an escapee. Philip's already violated the terms of his bail by just leaving the state. And when authorities find them, he'll likely face new charges. Steven's not just lying to judges and prison guards. He's sabotaging the person he claims to love most by turning him into a fugitive. Worse, Steven is right.
23:43 Harvey Guillén? The police have already figured out where they're hiding. Not only have they traced the money through Steven's accomplice, but they've tapped his phone, too. Just days after Steven reveals the truth to Philip, they're both arrested. Philip is allowed to be free while he awaits trial for the embezzling scheme. Steven, meanwhile, is sentenced to 45 years in a maximum-security prison in Texas. Steven is right back to where he was with Jimmy, locked in a cell while the person he loves is on the outside. He couldn't live with it then, he can't live with it now.
24:29 Harvey Guillén? And that's when Steven starts to get really creative. He begins planning his third escape by buying a handful of green magic markers from a fellow inmate. Then, he gets his hands on a spare prison uniform and uses his cell sink as a dye vat. He dunks the white fabric in the water, mixed with the green marker ink, and if you squint, it passes for the prison's medical scrubs. On Friday, December 13, 1996, Steven puts on his homemade scrubs, grabs a clipboard, and walks up to the front door.
25:12 Harvey Guillén? Again, the guard glances at Steven and buzzes him out. Steven walks out of a maximum-security prison like he's clocking out from a shift. As he crosses the courtyard, an officer in the guard tower calls out, "Man, your clothes look like prison whites, doc." "Well, don't shoot," Steven calls back.
25:38 Harvey Guillén? The guard laughs, and Steven keeps walking, right out of the front gate. He makes it to a motel where Phillip's waiting for him. Phillip thinks Steven was paroled, that he found some legitimate way out, just like he promised. But the next morning, Steven bursts into the motel room and shakes Phillip awake. "We have to go, now." Steven explains, "He just came from a convenience store down the street." His face is plastered on the front page of every newspaper. He bought all the copies and dumped them in the trash, but it doesn't matter. Everyone is looking for him. They need to leave Texas immediately.
26:25 Harvey Guillén? That's when Phillip realizes what actually happened. Steven didn't get paroled. He escaped. Again. Phillip is furious, but he's now an accomplice, whether he wants to be or not. So, they flee. They spend 10 days on the run before the police catch them in Mississippi. This time, Steven and Phillip are both sent to the prison back in Texas. Only now, the guards know who Steven is, what he's capable of, and that he's made them look like fools three times now. They watch him like a hawk.
27:09 Harvey Guillén? They're ready for everything: stolen uniforms, walkie-talkies, magic markers. They've seen all of Steve's tricks. Well, almost all of them.
27:26 Harvey Guillén? Okay, I can feel you rolling your eyes. Another escape, Harvey, really? Haven't we done this already? Yes, yes, we have, three times. In fact, the pattern is tiring. Steven escapes, spends a few glorious days with Phillip, gets caught, then goes back to prison, rinse and repeat. It's exhausting for him and for Phillip, right? But not for me. Nope, not for me, because I love a good will-they-won't-they-escape-from-jail story.
27:57 Harvey Guillén? So romantic. But stick with me, okay? Because this time, the math has changed. Steven's 43 years old with a 45-year sentence. If he serves his time, he'll be 88 when he gets out, if he lives that long. And Philip, the only person who's ever seen all of Steven's mess and stayed anyway, is out there all alone. Steven can't accept that. Not because he's stubborn. Well, okay, partly because he's stubborn, but also because Steven spent three decades hiding who he was, being the good son, the good husband, the good father, the straight guy.
28:42 Harvey Guillén? And the only times he's ever gotten to breathe have been with Jimmy and Philip. So for Steven, losing Philip isn't just losing a boyfriend. It's losing the only version of himself that feels real, which is why this escape has to be different, permanent. Steven can't just break out again. He needs to make the prison system let him go. Steven is in the prison library one day, figuring out his next escape, when he comes across the Special Needs Pearl. It's a Texas program that allows
29:25 Harvey Guillén? for the release of terminally ill inmates. Steven gets an idea. He uses a typewriter to forge medical documents, fake lab results showing he's HIV-positive. Then he uses the prison's internal mail system to slip them into his official medical file. Next, he has to look the part. Over the course of 10 months, between 1997 and 1998, Steven performs the role of a dying man. He starts losing weight, a lot of weight. He uses laxatives almost daily, barely eating, making himself look skeletal.
30:10 Harvey Guillén? He shuffles when he walks and winces like everything hurts. He develops a cough.
30:18 Harvey Guillén? He's method acting his own death, and it's Oscar-worthy. The prison doctors watch him waste away. They read the diagnosis in his file, and they attribute it all to AIDS. Nobody thinks to run their own test or double-check. They just see a dying man and try to make him comfortable. Eventually, they grant him a special-needs parole. Stephen's transferred to a hospice facility in San Antonio to die. But Stephen's never felt more alive. He places a phone call to the hospice facility from the hospice facility. He impersonates a doctor and says he's recruiting patients
31:03 Harvey Guillén? for a new experimental AIDS treatment. Stephen Russell just happens to qualify for the trial. The hospice staff, wanting to believe there's something that might help, release Stephen into the care of this nonexistent doctor. On Friday, March 13, 1998, Stephen walks out of hospice. Okay, so I need to bring up a really weird detail in all of this. Stephen's story is already bizarre enough, but there's this pattern that keeps showing up. And once you notice it, you can't unsee it. Friday, the 13th. For most people,
31:47 Harvey Guillén? Friday the 13th means bad luck. For Stephen, it's become his personal lottery day. Because every time he escapes, it's Friday the 13th. He walked out of the jail with a walkie-talkie and a tie-dye shirt on Friday, May 13, 1992.
32:08 Harvey Guillén? He strolled out of prison in magic marker scrubs on Friday, December 13, 1996. And now, this. Three escapes, three Friday the 13ths. At some point, you have to wonder if he's just really good at planning, or if the universe has a twisted sense of humor. Anyway, Steven wants to make it look like the experimental treatment didn't work, that he died in hospice. So he sends a forged death certificate back to the prison. As far as the state of Texas is concerned, Steven Russell is dead. Case closed.
32:52 Harvey Guillén? Except, Steven's very much alive, and he's got one more job to do. We know by now that separation is unbearable for Steven. With Jimmy and Phillip both, he refuses to accept being behind bars while his lover waits for him outside. But this time, it's different. The roles are reversed. Phillip is the one locked up, while Steven roams free. The problem is, being free is nothing if Phillip's not with him. So, Steven does what he always does when he's desperate. He becomes someone else.
33:36 Harvey Guillén? He forges a law license under the name Gene Lewis, a real Texas attorney who has no idea his identity is being stolen. Then, Steven finds out Phillip's being transferred to Dallas County Jail. He flies to Dallas and walks into the county jail as Gene Lewis, Attorney at Law. Let me say that again. Steven, who is legally dead, according to the state of Texas, walks into a county jail to visit his boyfriend while impersonating a lawyer.
34:15 Harvey Guillén? Think about it. How wild that is. I spent this whole episode telling you all of the creative ways Stephen tries to get out of prison. But now, he willingly walks into the place he hates most, just to be able to see Philip for a short time. I know the internet's favorite catchphrase is "if he wanted to, he would." But this, girl, it's another level. Stephen's plan works. He sits across from Philip in the visitation booth. Philip jokes that he expected to see Stephen dressed as a guard on his prison bus. Stephen says he wishes he thought of that.
34:58 Harvey Guillén? For a few stolen minutes, they're together again. But, someone, we don't know who, tips off the authorities, and they start tracking Stephen. In April 1998, they catch him, in Florida, at a copy shop. After everything Stephen's pulled off, after faking his own death, and walking out of a maximum insecurity prison, and fooling doctors and judges and guards, he gets caught running a simple errand. Stephen's arrested for the fourth and final time. And Texas is done. They're done playing games.
35:43 Harvey Guillén? They want to punish him for the escapes, for humiliating them time and time again. Stephen is sentenced to 144 years. He's sent to a prison where death row inmates are housed. Texas wants to make absolutely sure he never embarrasses them again. So, they put him in the kind of isolation reserved for the most dangerous criminals in the state. He's placed in solitary confinement. 23-hour lockdown. One hour a day to shower and exercise.
36:27 Harvey Guillén? The rest of the time, he's alone in a 6-by-9-foot concrete cell. No cellmate, no television, no contact with other inmates. Just Stephen. Four walls and a lot of time to think about the choices that brought him here. In 2009, a movie about Stephen's life is released. It's called "I Love You, Phillip Morris", and it stars Jim Carrey as Stephen and Ewan McGregor as Philip. The movie opens with a disclaimer. "This really happened. It's totally true. We couldn't make this up." Which is almost funny because Stephen's entire life
37:12 Harvey Guillén? has been about making things up, about becoming whoever he needed to be in order to survive, to be loved, to keep Philip. Philip is released in 2006, just in time to appear in the movie as an extra playing Stephen's lawyer in a courtroom scene. He's on Stephen's visitation list, but never visits, which Stephen understands because why would Philip want to step foot in another prison? They do write letters for a while, but according to Stephen's 2018 book, their relationship just fades.
37:57 Harvey Guillén? He falls out of love. The thing that drove three escapes that cost him everything just dissolves. Stephen admits that, though he loved Philip, he regrets his decisions. All of those escapes weren't worth the extra time in prison away from his daughter.
38:20 Harvey Guillén? Luckily for Stephen, he gets another chance. On July 16, 2024, he's released from prison on parole. He'd spend 26 years in solitary confinement. You think after waiting that long, there'd be a chance for Stephen and Philip to see each other again, to see each other face to face and see what's left of their love. We don't know if that ever happened. What we do know is this: In September 2025, Phillip Morris died of a suspected heart attack.
39:00 Harvey Guillén? Stephen had been out for just over a year. So, the ship of Theseus, after you've replaced every plank, every nail, every piece of the original, is it still the same ship? Stephen Russell became a lot of people over the years: a church organist, a cop, a husband, a father, a con artist, a CFO, a doctor, a judge, a man dying of AIDS. He rebuilt himself so many times that maybe, maybe, there's nothing left of the kid who got adopted in Virginia. The one whose birth mother didn't want him.
39:44 Harvey Guillén? The one who spent his whole life trying to become someone worth keeping. He's 67 years old now, finally free. The people he escaped for are gone. And Stephen gets to decide who he is next. Thanks for tuning in to Killer Stories, a Spotify podcast. New episodes released on Mondays. If you liked today's story and want to learn more, we drop some of our favorite sources in the episode description. Until next time, I'm Harvey Keen. Stay safe out there.
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