ROLLUP: Why Solana is Down Bad | Avi Arrested | MicroStrategy Purchases $41M Bitcoin | Gemini Sued Over Gemini Earn

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• 0:02David Hoffman?

  Bankless Nation, welcome to the very last weekly rollup of the year. Happy Friday morning to you. I hope you're drinking your cup of coffee while we cover the entire weekly news in crypto, which is always an ambitious endeavor, which is why I've pulled in my dear friend Anthony Cezano to sub in for Ryan while he is getting his software updates for 2023. Anthony, welcome to the Bankless Weekly Rollup.

• 0:24Speaker 01

  Hey David, thanks for having me today. I love how you say Ryan's getting a software update just because there's that meme that he's actually a robot because no one had seen him before. I think permissionless, right? Like was where everyone actually saw him for the first time, but.

• 0:35David Hoffman?

  Yeah, including myself, yeah.

• 0:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, I love it.

• 0:40David Hoffman?

  Yeah, no, it's a good meme and it's stuck pretty damn well. Anyways, Ryan, like I said, he's actually out on vacation, enjoying some well-earned breaks with wife AI, child AI. So we're pulling in Anthony Cezano to sub in for his help. So Anthony, thank you for helping us walk through the news. Are you ready to do it?

• 0:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, let's go.

• 0:58David Hoffman?

  All right. So last weekly rollup of the year, Bankless Nation, we are going to talk with some year end market talk. We got roughly about 10 times the amount of charts that we usually do on a weekly rollup. So we're going to walk through the year's winners, the year losers, and what the snapshot in time is going into 2023. So that's going to come up first, an extra large market section, some candy to end the year with. Coming in in second, got to talk about the state of Solana. Everyone is talking about it on crypto Twitter right now, so we're going to discuss that. Coming up after that, we also got to talk about the state of multi-coin capital because it's not great. And then lastly, we're going to talk about the state of layer twos because a report out of Bankless from our analyst Ben just came out and there's always a bull market somewhere. So we're going to talk about the state of layer twos.

• 1:43David Hoffman?

  Bankless Nation, you know the deal. Please like and subscribe, rate and review wherever in the metaverse you are listening to this content. That is how we get crypto back onto the top of the iTunes business and investing charts. And before we get to all of that topics, first we have to give a shout out to our strategic sponsor for 2023, Kraken. You guys know Kraken. Kraken has been the exchange since 2011. And why have they stuck around since 2011? Well, because they've prioritized things like security and transparency and actually servicing their customers well. And so that's how they've been able to stick around for such a long time for actually being true to the ethos of crypto and helping the crypto industry blaze paths forward into the frontier of the world of crypto.

• 2:26David Hoffman?

  After all of the insolvencies of 2023, having a secure and transparent exchange is no longer just a nice to have feature. It's probably a should be a base requirement of your exchange of choice. We definitely need secure exchanges to get our money from the old world into the new world. And Kraken is helping us do that. Thank you for Kraken for being Bankless's strategic sponsor for 2023. Visit kraken.com/bankless if you want to upgrade your exchange. All right, Anthony, are you ready to get into the markets? Let's start with Bitcoin, of course. Bitcoin started the week at the high, high price of $16,800, ending the week at the low, low price of $16,600, down 1%. Anthony, any takes on Bitcoin?

• 3:12Speaker 01

  No, I mean, this range that Bitcoin and ETH have both been in is just hilarious to me because, I mean, it is the Christmas period, right? And we're going to be seeing very low volatility around this. And then you see these wicks on the chart of people just trying to kind of wreck shorts and wreck longs. And it's just like this little bit of a ping pong going on. But yeah, volatility is very, very low right now. And this range kills both bears and bulls. I think when I look at this stuff, it reminds me of 2019 or I guess like parts of 2019 where we just kind of ranged forever. And 20 and probably even 2020. And people are getting really frustrated with it like, oh, my God, starved for volatility. And typically you see people go down the risk curve in that in that environment, which is kind of funny in a bear market to see people going down the risk curve.

• 3:55Speaker 01

  But yeah, it's an interesting dynamic because I think this time around we have NFTs, right? Where people kind of seek refuge in NFTs. And that's why we see some NFTs still popping off, even though ETH and BTC are like sideways. Basically, everything else is basically dumping. So yeah, it's kind of an interesting dynamic to see how people will move between different markets because they're they're kind of like starved, right? And you go where the food is, so to speak.

• 4:17David Hoffman?

  Yeah, and when there's no volatility in the blue chips like Bitcoin and Ether, when that range gets really, really compressed and all of us like monkeys are opening up our price apps and be like, "Hey, can I get some dopamine?" Like, can you do anything? Go down even, like, give me some excitement. And so people's like trading ranges get compressed and compressed and compressed. And so they start to get like more or less, more bearish or more bullish inside of tighter ranges and they start to play tighter trades and it just makes the field of play like tighter and tighter. I remember, I think what you were talking about in 2019 was like the Bart effect that was just absolutely massive in 2019 where it would Bart up and then Bart down. And you could like, sometimes just feel a Bart coming. And it's just like, "Oh yeah, we just Bart it up.

• 5:01David Hoffman?

  Give it like somewhere between 12 and 18 hours, we will Bart back down." And what Bart means, Bart is like Bart Simpson. Like imagine like the Bart head, go straight up, like jag around for a little bit, go straight down, and then you do that inverse. Anyways, we digress. ETH price, kind of doing the same, start of the week at 1,220, ending the week at 1,200, flat, down about 1.9%. And of course, the ETH Bitcoin ratio, pretty damn flat on the week, about half a percent down. We are at 0.72 on ETH BTC. Anthony, any comments on ETH BTC?

• 5:34Speaker 01

  I think it's just continuing to do what it's done all year, has remained flat against Bitcoin, which is actually incredibly bullish for ETH, I think. As people have said on Twitter, I think I've said it as well, basically ETH didn't do this last bear market. ETH went straight down against Bitcoin last bear market. It dumped like 90% against Bitcoin, you know, 94% against USD. But this time around, it's basically flat on the year. We had a bit of a dip mid-year when ETH bottomed in June because of 3AC puking all their ST ETH for ETH and then selling that ETH from there. But we bounced back from that. And now we've just kind of stuck in this range for the whole year, which as I said, I think is incredibly bullish. There are people calling for ETH BTC to actually nuke, maybe next year or something like that.

• 6:17David Hoffman?

  Oh, I've heard people call for it to nuke like soon.

• 6:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, I mean, I've been hearing it all year from particular people, but I look at that and I'm like, well, look, if you're just looking at charts, maybe you can come to that conclusion if you're just looking at historical kind of chart data. But the biggest thing for me is the merge, and that's what's affected ETH BTC the most by removing that sell pressure that we would have had from miners. That's why I believe ETH BTC is so strong at least, and there's other reasons as well, but I think that's a core reason. And if you're just looking at charts, they're not going to show you that. Charts, the historical charts will just show you Ethereum in the proof of work era, right? It's not going to show you Ethereum in the proof of stake era.

• 6:55David Hoffman?

  Yeah, what do you make of this trend? So we have like this very long-term trend from like almost 2019 of ETH BTC just going up into the right. But then we have the short-term trend of it coming down. I am not a TA charter person. Any TA person looking at the chart right now is going to cringe. But just what do you make of this like convergence of like kind of short-term bearishness versus long-term bullishness on the ETH BTC ratio?

• 7:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I think since 2020 ETH has really come into its own thing. ETH is viewed a lot more positively by the wider market. Now, it is still viewed as more risky than BTC though. That's why you'll see the kind of volatility here and you'll see things sell, especially in big sell-offs, you'll see each selling off harder than BTC. But I think more and more people understand the ETH bull case now than they once did. More and more people understand that Ethereum is here to stay, or at least maybe not even understand, but believe Ethereum is here to stay. Because believe it or not, even up until like the end of 2020, probably after DeFi summer or during DeFi summer, a lot of people didn't believe that Ethereum was going to amount to anything, right? It was still Bitcoin, Bitcoin, Bitcoin. And I think there's a bit of parallels now with some other things we're going to talk about later.

• 8:00Speaker 01

  But yeah, that's why, because I think Ethereum just has a much better story now and there's a much better bull case for it than there used to be. And obviously, we just did the episode with Justin Drake and DC and myself and you guys that you put live there. But I think, yeah, more and more people understand the bull case for ETH and Ethereum now, and that's helping there. But as well as those kind of flows that I guess how press originally talked about due to the merge. I think people looked at that and were like, oh, well, ETH is not doing very well against USD. It's like, yeah, but that's a that's bear market things, right? In a bear market, nothing's going to do well against USD, right? But look at ETH relative to other assets and look at its historical performance and look at its current performance. ETH is trading like it is basically the same risk profile as Bitcoin, which is quite something. It's never been like that before.

• 8:45Speaker 01

  Nothing's ever traded like Bitcoin before, honestly, in terms of risk profile. Bitcoin was considered by far the safest asset in crypto and was your flight to safety in a bear market. But that's not the that's not the that's not the thing anymore.

• 8:59David Hoffman?

  Yeah, so I've got the Mazzari chart screeners up and we are looking at a comparison down from from all time highs.

• 9:07David Hoffman?

  Ether actually ahead of Bitcoin in terms of down from all time high by a whopping 0.6%. So Ether is down 0.6% less than Bitcoin, which is unheard of compared to to last cycle. If you go and inverse this and see who's down the most, of course, we have Terra Luna, Terra Luna, of course, followed by BitTorrent, followed by Lido. Some of the start, some of the starting points of these are all kind of arbitrary, right? Why is Zcash down technically 100%?

• 9:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:34David Hoffman?

  It will, it started off at a just weird price, but we're going to go into some some winners and losers. But before first, I want to actually look at Bitcoin and USD in yearly charts. This is the last weekly roll up of the year. And sometimes people forget to zoom all the way out and see what things look like on a yearly basis. And so what I've got on the screen here are both the linear and logarithmic charts for Bitcoin with yearly candles. So each one of those candles that you are seeing is 12 months of time. And you can obviously just see a secular bull market in Bitcoin unquestionably up and to the right. Like, there's actually only two red candles on the screen, which is kind of insane, actually.

• 10:14David Hoffman?

  So 1, 2, 3, 4, the first four years of Bitcoin, it was green on the yearly chart. Then in 2016? No, wait. Oh, well, this is actually isn't the full the full chart for Bitcoin, excuse me. Two, out of the 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 last years of Bitcoin, only two years have been red. And we are, of course, finishing one right now. Anthony, what do you make of this of this chart?

• 10:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I think this is what people will talk about when they say four-year cycle for Bitcoin, right? Where you'll have like, you know, a red year after having a few green years, right? But it can be kind of arbitrary. Like, you can actually get an all-time historical chart for Bitcoin. It's called the BLX on TradingView. It's the Brave New Coin Bitcoin Index. And the four-year cycle is pretty prominent in that. And I understand that because of the halving cycle and all that sorts of stuff. And maybe that's been true in the past, but I don't think it necessarily is going to be true going forward. I have a lot of opinions on Bitcoin that I won't give generally here, but I think that the comparison here between linear and logs is quite important as well. Linear will show

• 11:20Speaker 01

  you the extent of, I guess, the movements and how wild they can get. You can see on the linear chart, there's a massive wick for Bitcoin in 2021 there. That's come back down, and then you've got, obviously, the red. But the log will give you a better long-term picture and a better smooth picture of what things look like. And traders use both. I've seen traders use linear a lot, actually, because they like to see, because they're more short-term oriented, they like to see the pronounced movements there, because it'll show you it more violently. Like, yeah, especially on the ETH chart, right? But yeah, I prefer to look at log charts just generally, though.

• 11:57David Hoffman?

  Yeah, that ETH chart is even more volatile-looking than the Bitcoin chart. But both charts are just looking absolutely up and to the right, of course. Ether's actually got much more red yearly candles than Bitcoin does. And but that's also just because this is also picking out Ethereum's earliest years as well, because this one actually does go back to its first year of existence. And then, of course, here is the ETH Bitcoin yearly candles, which also is just up and to the right. So it's just important to know that no matter what you look at in crypto, Bitcoin, Ether, Ether BTC, things are always up and to the right. That's not probably true for every single asset, of course. There are many and many assets that came during the 2013 bull market that are around. Same thing

• 12:38David Hoffman?

  with 2017. But over time, we're starting to collect more and more assets in crypto that when you zoom out and go into the yearly candles, everything is just up and to the right. Any final comments on these yearly charts before we move on?

• 12:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I think it's also important to, I guess, understand outlier bias here. Because as you said, like, there are many, many, many, many assets from those previous market cycles that never came back against USD, let alone ETH and BTC. So always good to keep that in mind when looking at things and trying to say, oh, well, you know, ETH and BTC did this last cycle, it means my favorite asset can come back. It's like, no, that doesn't, that's not what I mean. There's no guarantee of that. I understand why you would say that, and it's fine to believe that, but don't fool yourself into thinking that that's a guaranteed thing, right?

• 13:22David Hoffman?

  Take a snapshot of the NFT markets right now, since this is, again, the last weekly rollup of the year. So to end the year, the Bored Ape Yacht Club climbing in at a 73 ETH floor, taking the number one spot, followed by the CryptoPunks at 65 ETH, followed by Mutant Apes at 15 ETH. Those are the one, two, and three NFT projects to finish the year. Anthony, you want to talk about NFTs, or you want to keep on moving?

• 13:44Speaker 01

  I mean, I don't pay too much attention to NFTs. I always find it funny watching the spats on Twitter, especially between the Bored Apes and the CryptoPunks with the floor price. I mean, now being quite close, they used to be, you know, quite far apart. But I always find that that kind of entertaining. But yeah, I don't really pay too much attention to it generally. It's just not my scene.

• 14:02David Hoffman?

  Yeah, I think the Bored Apes might have actually flipped back over to number one this last week, because CryptoPunks were in the in the lead for the two or three weeks prior to that. But unquestionably, Bored Apes were in the number one spot for the vast majority of 2022. All right, so we're going to look at some TradFi. We got Tesla and Amazon on the screen in this chart, absolutely wrecked. These are some of the, Amazon's going all the way back down to its March of 2020, its COVID, COVID lows, and we are, that is where we are now. So imagine that, Amazon is back at the same price it was at the bottom of the March COVID lows, kind of insane. Tesla is an absolute freefall, coming in at $123, when it used to be almost as high as almost 500, but definitely over 200 for the last

• 14:45David Hoffman?

  almost two years now. Anthony, any comments on TradFi?

• 14:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, the trend here is quite funny because it basically just shows that everything that happened during the COVID period was just funny money, right? Like all the assets going up, it was like an everything bubble. But in saying that, if ETH was back at its March 2020 bottom, it'd be $90, right? We are like 13X from there and Bitcoin went back to like, you know, what was it? Like under 4,000 or something. So when you look at it like that, crypto, I mean ETH and BTC, not all of crypto, but ETH and BTC have done remarkably well, which is, which is quite funny. And, you know, it also speaks to that narrative of inflation hedges as well. Like you could still make the argument that, hey, look, ETH and BTC have acted really well as kind of those inflational debasement hedges.

• 15:32Speaker 01

  Because if you look at stocks, I mean, Amazon is a big ass company that is very, very profitable and is, you know, is growing year on year, but their stock price did nothing the last two years now. Looking at this, Tesla's a different story. I think Tesla got way, way overvalued for where it was supposed to be. I mean, I don't have a great read on the stock market, but just doing naive like price to sales, price to earnings, and then pricing that in the future, you can, you can see that. But seeing something like Amazon, you know, raise all of its gains from, from that bottom is quite something. And, you know, I, I think that because of that, it makes, it makes the market just much more healthier generally too. And I think that that's what the Fed was looking for when, when raising rates. They wanted the market to reset itself to prior to the COVID stuff. Uh, but, you know, we've still got inflation relatively high.

• 16:16Speaker 01

  We still want to see that come down, all that sorts of stuff. But generally, the macro environment is very hard to study because it's not our scene, so to speak, uh, being in crypto. But also it is much more complex, I think, than crypto. It covers so many different things across so many different, uh, countries and, and places around the world that it's hard to, to see. But yeah, it's funny seeing just like Amazon raise all of its gains. It's like something as profitable and as, as big as Amazon raises gains.

• 16:42David Hoffman?

  I think there, there's definitely some solace in this because if you weren't going to be a crypto investor, the other asset class that you would probably, probably would have invested in is like high growth, high risk tech stocks. And so like, they also got wrecked too. So if you're feeling like wrecked by crypto, well, I mean, if you compare crypto to like tech stocks, it's almost the same. Uh, and so like, like if you compare how bad-

• 17:05Speaker 01

  ETH and BTC are relatively like doing so, so bloody well compared to, to these other stocks, right? It's just crazy.

• 17:11David Hoffman?

  A hundred percent. Yeah. So I've got, I've got coin, Coinbase's equity.

• 17:17David Hoffman?

  Absolutely wrecked. Coin is down 90%, not even from the top tick of the 400, almost 440 price that it reached on day one, but of the price it originally came out at 380. It is down 90% from its original price of $380, down to $34 right now. I kind of think that Coin is like a generational buy right now, man. Like, it's gotta be worth, I think this makes Coinbase worth seven and a half, eight billion dollars. Like, that's pretty insane.

• 17:46Speaker 01

  So, my thesis on Coin, the reason why I didn't buy it and probably won't buy it still, is that, one, it is directly correlated with the health of the crypto market, right? Because Coinbase's revenue is directly correlated with that. But also, you have Coin trading in TradFi world with people who don't understand crypto, right? People do not trade this as if they know what's gonna happen with crypto. They do not trade it with the assumption that there's going to be another crypto cycle. They trade it with, right now, Coin is trading like crypto is dead, because that's what TradFi, or that's what people outside of crypto believe. So, by that measure, you, like, I can't bring myself to buy Coin over something like Ether, or even, I mean, I wouldn't buy BTC, but like, when you compare it to BTC, or even some other

• 18:30Speaker 01

  crypto assets, because if Coin is gonna do well, it's going to be when the crypto market's doing well. And by the time the world believes the crypto market is doing well, there's already been a lot of gains had by both Ether and BTC and other assets, that you were still probably gonna be better off buying those than Coin. Now, that's not investment advice, but that's the way I look at it. And I don't think that's gonna change anytime soon, because the TradFi outside of crypto world, they find it very hard to understand crypto. They're gonna trade based on pure marketing narrative, just general mainstream noise. And we usually see that come when crypto prices are already at their all-time highs. Like, when Ether and BTC are back to all-time high, you know, that's when I would suspect some big moves to happen there. But, yeah, I mean, that's just my general thesis I've had on Coin for a while.

• 19:12David Hoffman?

  Yeah, that's definitely a fair take. I will also just point out the vast difference between the 7.9 billion dollar market cap of Coinbase right now versus the 220-ish billion dollar market cap of Ether. Like, there's some alternative risk to reward there, I'll say.

• 19:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, it's definitely, yeah, a better, maybe it's a better risk reward to play buying coin here than than buying ETH, depending on your time horizon, depending on how you look at these things. But I think generally, yeah, coin is just looks like to me like it's trading like the rest of the world thinks crypto is dead, which they do right now.

• 19:45David Hoffman?

  Right, yeah. And then, of course, we got Solana. Here is the yearly Solana like candles. There's three of them. And the first one is a tiny, tiny little green candle. The second one is an absolutely gargantuan green candle with a huge wick, all the way up to $280. And then the third candle, where we currently are, is an absolutely gargantuan red candle, which goes all the way back down to the base of the green candle. We're going to talk about Solana coming up next, so I'll save some of your takes for that, Anthony. But I want to get your take on this one. This is a tweet from SourHog. Last FUD of the day, Solana AVAX traded at $600. Solana AVAX is an index of Solana Avalanche and Solana.

• 20:30David Hoffman?

  I just said Solana.

• 20:31Speaker 01

  Solana.

• 20:32David Hoffman?

  Solana, Luna, and Avalanche, that the index traded at $600 and now is worth $21. That is a big oof. Anthony, give me your hot takes.

• 20:43Speaker 01

  I have so many hot takes.

• 20:45David Hoffman?

  Should we save it for the Solana section?

• 20:46Speaker 01

  No, I mean, I can give one on this in particular. I think people are going to call me an ETH maxi no matter what I say, so I'm just going to give my honest takes here. This was perpetuated by people who were mercenaries, right? This was perpetuated by ThreeRs Capital, this meme of Solana AVAX, which was funny because they didn't really have a sole position, but they had massive Luna and AVAX positions. They didn't care about fundamentals. They didn't care about how like Terra was built on a house of cards. They didn't care about Avalanche just being an EVM fork and only really having any traction because of the bull market. They just cared about making money. And it's kind of an irony that they had so much money that they made and they lost it all. But when looking at stuff like this and looking at it happening in a bull market, you really need to remember,

• 21:30Speaker 01

  if you're a first cycle, you won't know this, but next cycle, you need to remember that people pushing this narrative do not care about you at all. All they care about is is making money. They don't care about the projects. So I'm not surprised at all to see it come down like this because we already saw this happen last cycle. If you were around for them, we already saw similar things happen. But in terms of speaking to the fundamentals of these projects, yeah, it's never in line with that. And as we saw Terra went to zero. You know, Solana's not having a great time and no one talks about Avalanche anymore, at least from what I see. So yeah, but anyway.

• 22:01David Hoffman?

  Yeah, I haven't seen anyone. Avalanche has not shown up in my feeds either, although people in the Bankless Discord do say that there's exciting stuff there that I should explore. Something I'm not going to explore, though. I thought this was pretty funny. So Hex, the Richard Harts baby, down 97%. Of course, a very polarizing coin on crypto Twitter. There's definitely an army of Hexicans out there that are going to come on to my mentions just because I brought it up. But I thought I'd just put this tweet out there, just because I thought it was pretty funny. We can move on, though. Here's a take or a tweet I want to get your take on. This is Ben. This is Ben, the analyst over at Bankless, our analyst Ben.

• 22:41David Hoffman?

  RPL up 67% against Lido since the November 7th, or excuse me, November 9th bottom. Interesting. Any takes on RPL versus Lido?

• 22:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I've become so biased recently towards Rocketpool because

• 22:56David Hoffman?

  Yeah, we're both Rocketpool maxis.

• 22:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. I mean, I joined as an O Dow member. Bankless is already an O Dow member. I've spun up mini pools. I think the Rocketpool community is so closely aligned with Ethereum. It's basically the same community. But my, I guess, like, most level-headed take here, not bringing my Rocketpool bias into this, is that Lido is already worth a lot, right? And it kind of grew really, really quickly. But I think there's a belief in the market now that Lido's growth has topped out, right? At about 30%. And that post-withdrawals, they're actually going to lose a lot of market share due to people reshuffling their ETH around. And due to Rocketpool being in a very, very nice position and going to be in an even better position around time of withdrawals to grow.

• 23:39Speaker 01

  So when it comes to LSDs, it's hard to bet on anyone. And maybe betting on Lido historically has been a good, relatively good bet, I guess. But yeah, I mean, RPL, the token, from what I've seen, has been very, very resilient. It has an actual defined use case within the protocol itself. It's not just a governance token. And I think the community is one of the best in crypto. So yeah, I mean, I am a Rocketpool maxi at this point, but that's my most level-headed take that I can give.

• 24:06David Hoffman?

  Yeah, no, I share those sentiments as well. I think Lido captured a massive amount of the market and asking Lido to go up 67% is much harder than asking Rocketpool to go up 67%. The winner of the year, the best token, the best crypto asset to hold your money in this year was unquestionably GMX. If we scroll all the way back out to the one-year chart, it is up on the up on the year, a lot of chop, started at $20, currently ending the year at $42, $43. So a doubling on the year, but actually, most of that doubling happened in the first few months. It was then a flat for the rest of the year. So congratulations

• 24:47David Hoffman?

  to GMX and all GMX holders because you guys did not lose in 2022, and that made you winners. Here's a chart that I thought was pretty interesting. That's actually not the price of a token, but it's actually the price of a stablecoin. And this is the chart I saw of RAI in relation to other US dollar and other fiat currencies. And so RAI, of course, is a it's a stablecoin in the sense of the word that is meant to it's a coin that is meant to be stable, but not stable to anything in particular. It is it is opposing market forces. And so how that works, it's out of scope for this. It just attempts to maintain some sort of soft peg to the US dollar, not follow it in particular. And if you look at this chart, it's probably the coolest and most simple and most stable asset to

• 25:32David Hoffman?

  hold out of all fiat currencies. Anthony, what's your take on this?

• 25:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I like RAI. Unfortunately, it has some limitations on it that that mean that it can't actually grow that fast, and it can't actually be used within DeFi like other stablecoins can. And the biggest limitation there is capital inefficiency, because you have to collateralize it with ETH. And this is why DAI went multi-collateral, is because it was very hard to grow with just collateralizing it with ETH. But I think that all of these kind of stablecoins, even ones that aren't tied to USD, specifically tied to USD, I don't know, I feel like long-term. I kind of hope that we get currency like we just get like ETH that becomes the de facto currency. And we start measuring stability against ETH rather than trying to mimic fiat currencies. Because yeah, I mean fiat currencies lose purchasing power, just like any other currency does.

• 26:23Speaker 01

  But if we have one that can maintain its purchasing power over the long term, like something like ETH does, I think that'd be better. But yeah, the stablecoin stuff is going to be a massive kind of thing still going forward. And I'm excited to see if RAI can actually grow. But but generally, yeah, it still suffers from the same kind of issues I think that other decentralized stablecoins suffered from.

• 26:43David Hoffman?

  Yeah, certainly, certainly. All right, Bankless Nation, that is the snapshot of the year in markets. But we got some more conversations ahead. Next up, we're going to talk about the state of the Solana ecosystem. It's depending on who you ask, it's either in a meltdown, or it's moment of solidarity, or something. We're going to talk about Solana, also going to talk about multi-coin capital and the state of Layer 2. It's coming up next. But first, a moment to talk about these fantastic tools from our sponsors to help you go bankless. The reality today is that five corporations control the entire world of social media. They own our names, they restrict our content, they monitor our every move. And their time is up, thanks to our sponsor, DSO. DSO is a Layer 1 blockchain built from the ground up to decentralize and scale social networks.

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  If you want to learn more, there's a link in the show notes to see how you can get involved with a Fuel network. Bankless Nation, we are back and we are looking at the chart of Solana, which started in May of 2020, about below a dollar. And then at the top of 2021, 2022, it was $270, and now it is $8.36, coming almost full circle to where we are now, down, I think, something like 94% from all-time highs. This is the talk of the town on crypto Twitter right now. Everyone's talking about it, and the tweet I put out, which I won't read here, is that the Solana community is trying to bolster morale, the ETH community is saying it was vapor all along, the trading community tells me how bad the chart looks.

• 29:34David Hoffman?

  Anthony, what's your take on the Solana ecosystem right now?

• 29:37Speaker 01

  So my take has remained the same from when I first heard and learned about Solana. I think that people kind of look at the stuff that maybe I'm saying and other Ethereum people are saying and being, "Oh, you're just dancing on Solana's grave, you know, you're just throwing shots at Solana because it's down so much." And I've been throwing the same shots at them that I've been throwing since day one. I just don't think the Solana architecture is long-term sustainable. I don't think Solana is going to win against Ethereum and its L2 ecosystem from a fundamentals perspective. The price action, I think, is in a different kind of realm, and you can talk About in a different context, but I'm not surprised at all because like Solana had support from SBF and FTX, right?

• 30:19Speaker 01

  And like now that they're gone and now that SBF isn't funneling all the money that he was making, uh, or I guess stealing from customer deposits into Sol. Sol is going back to basically the price that it started at, like the way my probably, you know, I don't think it's gonna, I don't know if it's gonna go back to three dollars, but it's basically erased all of its gains. Like it's down more than ETH was down in ETH's 2018 bear market and ETH was propped up by ICOs, right? And that's why it came down so much, but when you have something like, like that, such a big force propping up your thing, it's going to come down very, very hard and ETH went through that in, in, in 2018 and that's what Solana is going through, uh, right now. Now, in saying that, I think people are, and this is one point I really wanted to hit on.

• 31:00Speaker 01

  I think people are making the false equivalence between ETH coming back from that 2018 bear market and, and Sol coming back from its current bear market. There is no guarantee of this at all, right? There is no guarantee that your favorite thing is going to come back just because, uh, someone else's favorite thing came back. And let me put this in context for people, like there were thousands of tokens issued and assets issued in 2017 slash 18. Uh, maybe 1% or less of those actually went back to their USD all time high and none of them went back to their ETH and BTC all time high, I believe, uh, except maybe BNB. Uh, I think BNB might've been the only thing, right? So you can't just look at previous performance of other assets and say that your thing is going to do the same thing.

• 31:43Speaker 01

  Now, the, the, the thing you can do is look at the actual ecosystem behind your favorite project and be like, okay, is this sustainable? Is this going to grow? Are we going to be able to come back from where we're at today? Um, and I think for Solana, it is an extremely uphill battle, just like it was for Ethereum in 2018. But the problem for Solana is that Ethereum didn't have any real competition at all, uh, during its re- uh, renaissance kind of period. And Ethereum led its own renaissance period. Solana has competition from, from everyone else, every other layer one, all these other layer ones like Aptos and Sui and Say and, and stuff like that. But also Ethereum and its layer two ecosystem, which actually exists today. It didn't exist back in the day, but it does now. So if Solana can come back from that, I'll actually be bullish on it, right?

• 32:26Speaker 01

  Like, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm serious. Yeah, I'll be bullish on Solana if it can come back from this because they're basically starting from a very, very, very bad position right now. Not, uh, uh, not only from tech perspective, but also from just general sentiment perspective. And if they can manage to build an ecosystem out of that and go back to all time high, which I think is just near impossible, right? Um, I'll be impressed and I'll be bullish, but at this point in time, I, I, I just can't. And, and I've got so many other thoughts on this and I'm not just saying this because I'm an ETH maxi. Uh, I believe this about pretty much all the L ones and I have a lot of thoughts on L ones generally, but I'll, I'll, I'll leave that at that. And you can maybe give your, your take there because you did say you were going to back the truck up at $10 and I don't think you did.

• 33:06David Hoffman?

  I did back the, the Tonka truck, truck up today. Uh, so I bought a fusil, a handful of say at below $9. But, uh, do, but did I do that because I'm fundamentally bearish or bullish on the Solana ecosystem? No, it's because of the same reason why I said, what I was saying when I tweeted that out in the first place is just like, I know what it's like to be in this position and the, the thing that stands out to me the most is the fact that the Solana community seems to be taking this as a challenge to themselves, which of all the reasons to be bearish about Solana, and maybe I'll just go through with the, I'll put on my ETH maxi hat too and go through with those with you. Uh, you're totally right that like Ethereum had like this

• 33:47David Hoffman?

  privilege of being the only Ethereum in the room when it came back from the grave in 2018 to 2020. There were no Ethereum competitors at all. Uh, and like Solana has to come back while faced with a, an Ethereum that is already one cycle ahead of it with all of its layer twos, which are in a bull market right now. That's part of the topics that we're going to talk about. And the one thing I've always said is like, I won't really be bullish on Solana until I see a frontier of developers pushing forwards in a new direction that Ethereum isn't. Uh, and I'm, I'm yet to, yet to see that. That's always been like, all right, David, you are so bullish on Ethereum. What will it take to change your mind? It's always, the answer to that has always been when I see developers doing things on other blockchains that are not being done on Ethereum and those are frontier.

• 34:32David Hoffman?

  Here new level technologies and I'm I'm yet to see that. And then also

• 34:36Speaker 01

  I mean, and even even I was gonna just on that note, even if that exists, there's no guarantee that that's gonna push soul back to its ridiculous all time high because just to give context for people. Soul started at about 50 cents. I think it stayed there for a little while, but then quickly went up. It went up to 280. That is a bigger run than what ETH did in 2017. Yeah, that's a pretty massive run. Yeah. Exactly. ETH went from $10 to 1400. It's 140x. Soul did much more than that, right? And as we've seen, it was because of the SBF and FTX kind of money funneling in. So where's this money going to come from to get it back to to the all time? Even if Solana is providing value to people, even if they have users, even if they have developers building cool and interesting stuff.

• 35:16Speaker 01

  Again, that does not necessarily translate into price. And I mean, the reason it did for ETH is something that we could talk about, but it's an aside there. But yeah, I just wanted to make that note for people. And I think this applies to so many different things as well.

• 35:29David Hoffman?

  Yeah, 100%. I think my mind goes back to like the one bullish thing I see about Solana is the community seems to be taking this moment not to capitulate, but to rally. At least that from a very cursory glance from what I'm seeing on Twitter.

• 35:43Speaker 01

  There is a real community there.

• 35:44David Hoffman?

  There's a real community and that's like this one nugget of like bullish optimism that I have for the Solana ecosystem. Under a sea of like, wow, that's a lot of headwinds that like not even Ethereum had to face during 2018. And so like, I'm just not envious of the Solana ecosystem, but I am always heartened to see people believe in something. Cause I think you and I both shared that that experience believing in Ethereum during 2018 to 2020. So if that's what they believe in, by all means, good luck adventuring forward into the frontier.

• 36:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But I mean, as I said, like, if they can get out of this, like, it'll be incredibly bullish for them. But it is a huge if. It is something that, I mean, they have so many headwinds and honestly, like Ethereum, as you said, did have headwinds coming out of its own bear period. But not compared to what Solana has here. And I'm not just saying that because I'm, people are gonna call me an ETH maxi for saying that. I literally objectively looking at the headwinds that that Solana has compared to what what Ethereum had. It's it's very different and it's a different ecosystem. It's a different ballgame. If there is a real community there that can bring value and keep building out Solana, that's fine. But is that enough to fend off competition? Is that enough to get soul back to all time high? I really don't think so.

• 36:58David Hoffman?

  Yeah, yeah. And the sentiment on crypto Twitter is like as negative as it can get on Solana. Here's a tweet from SheGenerates. Maker has 260 million in total locked value in March of 2020, when Ether was collapsing to $85. So during the capitulation crisis of COVID, ETH collapsed down to $85 and Maker Dow had $260 million of TVL. Some of that was my TVL. Solana currently has $229 million in total locked value. So the maker is just a single app on Ethereum and Solana is an entire Layer 1 blockchain. So this kind of puts into context like, Solana has individual applications on Ethereum that it competes with, like many, many, many

• 37:42David Hoffman?

  applications. And that is not competition that Ethereum had prior.

• 37:46Speaker 01

  Exactly. It speaks to the fact that back then Ethereum was the only thing that was around, right? And now Solana is not the only thing that is around. The reason why Solana has such low TVL, or at least one of the reasons, is because people have their funds on other chains. It's not just Ethereum, right? There are other chains out there. Obviously, it's a vast majority Ethereum, but there are L2s that are just dominating right now. We're going to talk about that. And that didn't exist back then. Like, there was just Ethereum. There was EOS, but no one, like, I mean EOS came, EOS's problem was that it came in a bear market, I think, so it didn't get what Solana got by coming and being ready for a bull market. But there wasn't really anything else. There was, and there wasn't DeFi or anything. And then Ethereum created this thing called DeFi and worked on it.

• 38:28Speaker 01

  And it's amazing and it works really well and people love it. And now there are other chains that just copy Ethereum and there are so many of them. So like, I don't see the differentiator here. Like, I really don't. And honestly, the only reason why people are talking about Solana so much is because it had such a big bull market and it's just left over from then. There are other ecosystems, there are other L1s that do much better than Solana. My name's Smart Chain is killing it, right? Compared to Solana. No one talks about it, but it is. You know what I mean? So I think the only reason why so many people are talking about Solana is because it had such a loud bull market. Now, and that's another headwind. Will people, are people even going to care in a year? I honestly don't think so. And yeah, I could go on forever.

• 39:10Speaker 01

  And people always call me an ETH maxi for this, and I really don't like it because I think the takes that we're both giving here are very reasoned and very, just looking at the data, looking at what's happening here. And honestly, like if L2s didn't exist, I'd be just as bearish on Ethereum, because there's no way Ethereum would be able to actually service anyone or anything without L2s taking on a lot of this, a lot of this growth. And from that perspective, I really do think that people need to look at this objectively and look at what's happening now compared to back then, and not just say, oh, Solana is going to make it out of this because Ethereum made it out of its bear market. That's, it's insane to me when people think that. Maybe it's just people blindly having optimism here because they need to, because maybe they're underwater. Just like I was underwater on ETH buys, maybe I had some blind optimism back then.

• 39:54Speaker 01

  But, but yeah, just looking at it as a whole, it's, it's very hard for me to find a bull KCR.

• 40:00David Hoffman?

  I do want to pay attention to one last tweet from Vitalik Buterin, actually, who tweets out, "Some smart people tell me that there is an earnest, smart developer community in Solana. And now that the awful opportunistic money people have been washed out, the chain has a bright future. Hard for me to tell from the outside, but I hope the community gets its fair chance to thrive." And interestingly enough, this tweet actually marched the bottom, because Solana was like breaking down below $8, and then Vitalik tweeted this, and it jumped like 20%, or something, to be, I think, where it is just below $10 right now. But this is, this is kind of the sentiment. Like, I see real people in Solana who believe in it, and I think this is the right sentiment to take. Moving on to other market topics. Layer 2s are really, really good. They're really, really strong. So again, this is analyst Ben

• 40:44David Hoffman?

  over at Bankless, who put a L2 year in review with some metrics that we want to share here. So here is the Arbitrum transaction count on monthly basis. Almost every single candle is higher than this previous one for the entire year of 2022, which I think is pretty damn cool. The same thing with optimism, it's just a chart up and to the right. So L2 usage is just in an absolute bull market. Users are up and up into the right, unique transacting addresses, and of course, the rise of GMX on Arbitrum as well. One of the few tokens that didn't do bad in 2022. Anthony, what's your take on all of this?

• 41:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, we've been saying people are going to call us ETH maxis for this, but we've believed in L2s for a long time, right? This isn't a kind of sudden thing for us. This isn't like, oh, all the L1s are dead, L2s are good, let's pivot to being bullish on L2s. No, we've always been bullish on Ethereum and L2s and Ethereum's roll-up centric roadmap, because it makes the most sense. It makes the most sense from every kind of way you look at it, economic, social, scalability. And we're seeing this play out in real time. While the L1s are dying, basically, or losing a lot of their activity, L2s are picking all of that up and people are coming home to Ethereum, because Ethereum is consistently the most sustainable ecosystem in crypto. It is the most fun to be on. And I think what was holding it back was those high fees on Layer 1. And now we have L2s, which have really cheap fees.

• 42:06Speaker 01

  Not as cheap as some of the L1s out there, but they will be post-Proto dank sharding, they'll be cheaper and they'll still be able to inherit Ethereum's security and Ethereum's community and Ethereum's network effect. So I'm not surprised at all to see the L2s grow. I'm a little bit surprised to see them grow so well in a bear market. It really speaks to just how awesome the, I guess, like, L2s are, the fact that they can grow in a bear market like this. But what's going to happen in a bull market? I mean, it's going to be amazing. In the next bull market we have, Ethereum is actually going to have a scalable ecosystem for people to play around with. People aren't going to be priced out anymore. And I honestly can't wait for that. But and L2 transaction counts have actually flipped L1 now, which is what we want to see. Ethereum L1 is a settlement layer, it is not a user layer, at least for most users.

• 42:50Speaker 01

  It is for those who can afford it, of course, but L2s are where the users will sit. And the thesis is playing out before our eyes. This is not a new thesis, we've talked about this for many, many years, and it is playing out. So I think people need to understand that, is that we're not just pivoting to being L2 bulls, where we've been L2 bulls all along, right?

• 43:08David Hoffman?

  We've been waiting for the L2s to show up. I'm really enjoying this new scaling factor page out of Layer 2 Beat. One of my predictions for 2022 is the scaling factor of Ethereum, which is how many more times Layer 2s on Ethereum transact Ethereum's worth of capacity. So right now Ethereum's got a scaling factor of 2.4. So if you combine all of the Layer 2s together, add all their transactions, that is 2.4 times the amount of transactions you can put through the Ethereum Layer 1. And my prediction is that we are going to hit 5 by the end of 2023. And I think that is a very low number. I think we could see a lot higher than 5.

• 43:45Speaker 01

  Definitely.

• 43:46David Hoffman?

  All right, Bankless Nation. Coming up, we got the news of the week that we got to talk about. China is opening up an NFT marketplace. Absolutely nuts. As an ice storm passes over half of the globe, pudgy penguins reach new all-time highs. Coincidence? And a developer gets arrested, an exchange gets sued, and I ask Anthony to rate crypto Twitter tweets out of 10. So stay tuned for all of this and more. But first, a moment to talk about some of these fantastic sponsors to help you go bankless. Arbitrum One is pioneering the world of secure Ethereum scalability and is continuing to accelerate the Web3 landscape. Hundreds of projects have already deployed on Arbitrum One, producing flourishing DeFi and NFT ecosystems. With a recent addition of Arbitrum Nova,

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• 45:54David Hoffman?

  Explore the diverse financial opportunities available on TrueFi or launch your own portfolio at truefi.io. Not so much news in the Ethereum world this week. One release we want to talk about, Tyco. Tyco is a brand new Ethereum Layer 2, EVM equivalent Layer 2. I love those words. And they tweet out, "First public testnet is now live. Welcome to our Alpha 1 testnet, aka some Icelandic word that I'm not even gonna bother to pronounce, but it's got a volcano next to it."

• 46:21Speaker 01

  She now spells Jokul or something.

• 46:22David Hoffman?

  You did that way better than I would ever had, so congrats on that. And they continue, "It's as open as we make it, so while you are relaxing this week, participate, deploy Contract, RotoNode, and Proposer, or just make some transactions. So if you are interested, probably for the technically minded, if you are interested in exploring the frontier of ZK EVMs that are EVM equivalent, check out Tyco."

• 46:42Speaker 01

  Yeah. The unique thing about Tyco is that they're building a Type 1 ZK EVM, or ZK Rollup, or sorry, no, ZK EVM. And I don't think there's any other ZK EVMs doing that, which is cool, because I think Vitalik mentioned there were like 2 or 3 or 4 types of ZK EVM, and they have different properties. But yeah, Tyco is building a Type 1 ZK EVM, so different than the other ones you may have heard of.

• 47:04David Hoffman?

  Yeah. And if you want to learn more about what Anthony just talked about there with the Type 1 versus Type 2, read this post that we'll link in the show notes about how to distinguish a ZK EVM. D-Gods, "An NFT project on Solana has now decided to bridge over to Ethereum in Q1 of 2023." So kind of some indication of a little bit what we were talking about earlier.

• 47:27Speaker 01

  I think that they were the biggest NFT project on Solana, just to give some scale here. It's not just some random NFT project. From what I saw, it was the biggest, and they're also bridging something called Utes to Polygon as well. So yeah, I mean, it's kind of like people abandoning the Solana chain for Ethereum and Polygon, and that's how people kind of read it on Twitter. Yeah, I don't know. There is a signal there. I don't know exactly what that signal is, because I don't know what this project is. I don't know how sustainable it is. I don't know anything about it. But there is a signal there that project's moving from Solana and other L1s back to Ethereum, or just over to Ethereum, and their Polygon POS chain. There is a signal there, I believe. It depends on what you want that signal to be, though.

• 48:08David Hoffman?

  Certainly, like I talked about with the pudgy penguins. Did you ever own a pudgy penguin NFT? Anthony, I don't think you're much of an NFT guy.

• 48:15Speaker 01

  No, but someone, I think Crypto Wife, made me a penguin in my kind of like character. But it wasn't part of the NFT. But yeah, I don't think I ever owned a pudgy penguin, no.

• 48:24David Hoffman?

  Well, let me tell you, I bought some pudgy penguins and sold them at the absolute bottom. So congrats to everyone that held a pudgy penguin because it just hit an all time high of 7 ETH. Rare to see an NFT hit ETH all time highs these days, but congratulations to all the pudgy holders. Speaking of NFTs, China is actually launching a national digital asset marketplace to trade. Actually, not NFTs, they are specifying digital collectibles. Because apparently, digital collectibles have been popular amongst Chinese collectors through heavily regulated marketplaces. And now there's going to be a Chinese national digital collectible marketplace. Wow. Did you see this one coming?

• 49:05Speaker 01

  No, and I kind of take news out of China with a grain of salt because there's a lot of lost in translation and the Chinese government basically changes their mood from time to time. I mean, we've seen China ban Bitcoin a million times, right? So I kind of take it with a grain of salt. We'll see. It's not really interesting to me considering it's a very closed ecosystem. Like, it's more closed than a centralized exchange, right? It's completely and utterly controlled by the CCP. So yeah, there's definitely not something that interests me, to be honest. But interesting, interesting development, but yeah, not something that interests me personally.

• 49:34David Hoffman?

  I mean, it definitely checks out if China is making a CBDC. This is, what is this? This is basically a CBDC version of a marketplace for digital collectibles. So I think it's China, if this, if we're taking this piece of news at face value, because yeah, you're totally right, there's like a, just like a cultural barrier that can't be crossed with a lot of news and information that comes out of China. But I think it's fair to assume that the Chinese government is like, oh, digital collectibles, those are totally going to exist. So we should make a marketplace that is state-run to facilitate that technology. That seems like the very obvious, like, path, just like, accepting their existence and then making a state-operated exchange to do that. That sounds pretty China to me.

• 50:15Speaker 01

  Yep, exactly.

• 50:17David Hoffman?

  Did you know MicroStrategy purchased an additional 2,500 Bitcoin for $41 million, Anthony?

• 50:24Speaker 01

  Well, is it a day that ends with Y? MicroStrategy is buying BTC. You know, what I found funny about this actually is that they sold some BTC to Tax Loss Harvest and then rebought and bought more, which is actually kind of smart because they're down so bad on a lot of their buys right now. So Tax Loss Harvesting makes sense. But yeah, I mean, I'm not surprised that all the sailor bought more BTC, right?

• 50:47David Hoffman?

  Yeah, yeah. Here's the article about the Tax Loss Harvesting. Sold 700 Bitcoins, bought them back two days later to Tax Loss Harvest.

• 50:54Speaker 01

  And he also sold a bunch of Master Strategy stock, I believe, and then probably put that money into BTC. Which is kind of funny when you think about it. He's like taking the TradFi money from Master and putting it into BTC. So yeah, that was interesting as well, I think.

• 51:09David Hoffman?

  Dude, this is a story for the ages, man. Like, this is Ryan's take, and I think I should agree with him, is that it's going to work out for him. Like Bitcoin is going to end up in the green for Michael Saylor.

• 51:20Speaker 01

  Probably, yeah. I mean, I'm not bullish on Bitcoin against ETH, but like against USD, it can probably easily go back to all time high in the next cycle. I have no doubt there. But yeah, it'll probably work out for him. But it would have worked out better if he bought ETH. That's my opinion.

• 51:35David Hoffman?

  Hey, to each their own, you know? Everyone's got their preferred assets.

• 51:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 51:39David Hoffman?

  We've been following stories like this over the past few weeks, so here's another one. Argo Blockchain, which is a Bitcoin mining public company, has suspended trading in US shares for 24 hours. They are on apparently the verge of bankruptcy, so they are looking to figure out how to restructure without declaring bankruptcy. But the health of the Bitcoin mining ecosystem is definitely being stressed. And this is nothing new. This happens at the bottom of every single bear market, really. It's like Bitcoin miners go under and the strong ones become stronger. This is kind of like an important facet of like how Bitcoin works in the first place, with just miners always improving in efficiency, in theory. But to me, actually, Ryan, excuse me, I almost just called you Ryan Anthony.

• 52:23David Hoffman?

  This actually marks a bottom for me. This is a bottom indicator for just the crypto industry at large, but also specifically for Bitcoin. And I have this ETH BTC long position open. And this news like this actually makes me a little nervous, just because this is a strong bottom indicator for Bitcoin.

• 52:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, but there's also still a lot of mining emissions that will just keep getting sold, right? Like, that was the my main thesis around ETH BTC was the the fact that ETH no longer has those emissions and BTC does. And on top of that, these collapses just lead to more centralization of mining, because as you said, the bigger players get bigger, mining becomes more centralized, and becomes much harder to compete because of that, because you need like a massive amount of capital to start up. And I know that there are arguments to be had about proof of stake centralizing as well, but I think that's out of scope for for my point here. But I mean, I don't think I can be bearish on ETH BTC in that scenario. Just because some miners have capitulated doesn't mean that the existing miners aren't going to continue to sell BTC to cover their expenses. They definitely will. That is not

• 53:23Speaker 01

  a theory, that is a fact. They have to sell BTC to cover expenses. That is the only asset or the only revenue that they make is from selling BTC. Some of them may have a very small part of of their business that does other things. But it's like centralized crypto exchanges. Majority of their revenue comes from crypto trading, right? So the majority of the Bitcoin miner revenue, if not all of it, comes from selling BTC. And this goes for any miner. So when you have that sell pressure and Ethereum doesn't and ETH as an asset has much more, I think, demand drivers than BTC does, at least from my perspective, I don't know how you can be bearish on ETH BTC in that world.

• 53:59David Hoffman?

  Yeah, yeah. And some more news out of the crypto exchange world. Gemini's earn program is being sued by some of its investors, of course, because all of that money was in Genesis, which went under because of FTX. All of this contagion worked its way to Gemini Earn, and sadly is now being sued by investors due to all of that. Anthony, any comments here?

• 54:18Speaker 01

  I mean, just more kind of innocent people getting hurt, right? Thinking that they're putting their money into something that was trustworthy, because Gemini is a trustworthy exchange, right? They haven't really had any dodgy stuff happen around them. And yeah, I feel sorry for people that lost money here. But again, speaks to if you don't know where the yield is coming from, you may just be the yield.

• 54:36David Hoffman?

  Yeah, that's a good take there. Anthony, a few weeks ago, Ryan and I covered the story of this guy Avi, who was manipulating markets on Mango Markets on Solana, and then took some of that winnings to go get liquidated with gambling with Curve in Ave. I don't know if you remember that story, but that developer was arrested for commodities fraud and manipulating markets. Go figure, right? And I thought this tweet was pretty funny from him. Statement on recent events. This was after he was publicly known to have done all of this. He did this out in the open. "I was involved with a team that operated a highly profitable trading strategy last week." Second tweet. "I believe all of our actions were legal, open-market actions using the protocols as designed, even if the development team did not fully anticipate all of the consequences of setting

• 55:20David Hoffman?

  parameters the way that they are. Unfortunately, the exchange this took place on, Mango Markets, became insolvent as a result, with the insurance fund being insufficient to cover all liquidations. This led to other users being unable to access their funds. To remedy this situation, I hope to negotiate a settlement with the insurance fund, with the goal of making all users whole as soon as possible, as well as recapitalizing the exchange." This man is now being charged by the CFTC for commodities fraud. Nice.

• 55:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, commodities fraud market manipulation. My main takeaway from this is a broader kind of take where essentially it kind of opens Pandora's box now. Like, if you can prosecute for this, or if you can charge for this, can you charge for people running MEV strategies, right? Like, for example, there is a very toxic MEV strategy called sandwich attacks that pretty much everyone agrees with is extremely toxic and should be completely eliminated. But can the CFTC charge the MEV searchers and maybe even the relayers for kind of helping this to happen? And I don't know. Maybe they're studying it. Maybe they're trying to see if this can be considered market manipulation. But it's all very subjective because there's also MEV in TradFi markets, and it's quite toxic as well.

• 56:31Speaker 01

  Like, payment for order flow, I believe, is quite toxic, where the biggest players get to pay for the order flow information and then make money on that. Basically, a form of MEV. So it's going to be interesting to see how that shakes out, but it seems like they're more so going after the individual rather than the actions that the individual, like the individual for the actions he took, but rather than the actual actions, right? So maybe just don't be so public about it and don't actually go out there saying that it's a highly profitable trading strategy when in reality you were just manipulating things and you knowingly did it, right? You knowingly manipulated the exchange, knowing that it would lead to losses for users. If you do it like that, then yeah, I mean, I think it's a bit, if you be brazen about it, yeah, it's a bit more.

• 57:11David Hoffman?

  Yeah, and the way that this works, Bankless Nation, if you're questioning how this happened is he basically took a large sum of money, was able to move a market in one direction for an oracle price and then be able to take a position out of that market that he just moved in order to capitalize on it. And then when everything resets after he's been tinkering around with oracles and prices on illiquid markets, he ends up with way more money. And then everyone else that had money in the Mango market didn't have any money to withdraw. This is called an economic attack and it's what, it's market manipulation is what it is. And so Anthony, are you saying that the difference between like a sandwich attack with MEV versus market manipulation in DeFi app is really just like on a spectrum and one's very, very small and one's very, very large? Is that kind of what you were saying?

• 57:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it's, I mean, it's just subjective, right? It just, it depends on which regulatory authority that it is, what they want to go after, what's actually written in law, what they can prove, what they think is harmful on what scale it's harmful at. There's a lot of different moving parts here, but you could, you could imagine an argument being made by some, one of these authorities to say that anyone engaged in MEV behavior is hurting people, so we're going to prosecute for that. But it'd probably be a lot harder to prosecute for that rather than just going after an individual being so loud about it and having all the on-chain proof to kind of go after. Cause a lot of the searches are actually anonymous from what I've seen, the MEV searches.

• 58:31David Hoffman?

  Oh, interesting. All right, Bankless Nation. Coming up next, we got some questions out of the nation. We're gonna go straight to the Inner Circle Discord to get some of our questions this week. And then we got some hot takes of the week. And Anthony and I play a fun game where I go through the hottest takes, the hottest tweets of 2022, and ask him to rate them on a 0 to 10 scale. I think that game's gonna be pretty fun. But before we get there, we have to talk about some of these fantastic sponsors to help you go bankless. Sequence is the all-in-one developer platform you need to build Web3 games and applications. For your users, Sequence is a smart wallet, and it's the easiest, most intuitive onboarding your users will ever experience, and comes with all the features users need to feel empowered in the Web3 world: multi-chain support, NFT display,

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• 1:00:38David Hoffman?

  a decentralized web seamlessly without all the clutter. You can download the browser at brave.com/bankless and click the wallet icon to get started. And we are back with some questions from the nation. We're getting these questions straight from the Inner Circle Discord. So if you are a Bankless Premium subscriber and you would like to ask either me or Ryan, but this week, Anthony, a question, go into the Bankless Circle Inner Discord and ask it in the brand new weekly roll-up question section. The first question of the week comes from Poser out of the Inner Circle Discord, asks, "How does Assec compare with Tornado Cash? How is its security model and why did you invest in it?" Because this Bankless listener knows that Ryan and I invested in Assec and since Anthony also invested in Aztec. Anthony, you want to take this question?

• 1:01:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, so the main difference between Aztec and Tornado Cash is that Aztec has a much broader kind of scopia. Aztec is a privacy-preserving Layer 2, or they've actually kind of re-banded themselves lately to an encrypted L2 because they're using the term encryption instead of privacy.

• 1:01:35David Hoffman?

  Great rebrand.

• 1:01:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a really great rebrand. And I think it may be due to, I guess, the stigma around privacy, which unfortunately exists. But basically, Tornado Cash is a mixer, right? Very good mixer, obviously, because OFAC found it kind of prudent to sanction it because it was so good at being a mixer. Whereas Aztec wants to be an encrypted Layer 2, where basically you can do privacy-preserving transactions at their Layer 2 while also tapping into Layer 1 Ethereum liquidity. And they have this thing called Aztec Connect, and they have a bunch of apps on Aztec that allow you to essentially tap into Ethereum Layer 1 liquidity while doing a transaction on Aztec Layer 2, which means that your transaction is still private. So I think it's very cool. I mean, as you said, I'm an investor in it as well, basically because they're one of the only L2 teams, if not the only one, focusing

• 1:02:21Speaker 01

  solely on making a privacy-preserving L2, which I think is incredibly interesting and incredibly needed. I mean, my two biggest bull cases for Ethereum, or my two biggest things I'm interested, sorry, in Ethereum are scalability and privacy, and Aztec offers both. So yeah, no-brainer investment for me, for sure.

• 1:02:38David Hoffman?

  Not only does it offer both, but one actually helps the other. So the privacy helps the speed and the speed helps the privacy, which is a pretty cool synergy between these two things. All right, next question coming up. Lab Punk, "What is currently the best hardware solution, price over quality, to run a dedicated ETH node?" Anthony, I know you've got a solo staker computer. I don't think you're going to suggest that as a price-to-quality staking computer, but I was wondering if you could give your take here. Do you have any ideas as to the best kind of hardware to set up an ETH node?

• 1:03:06Speaker 01

  I think the best hardware would probably be a NUC. So if you search like Intel NUC on Twitter, that's going to be your best kind of like price to performance ratio. Now, my Stoller's taking PC, I posted to Twitter, people probably saw it. It's basically a gaming PC, like totally overkill, you do not need that at all. But an Intel NUC with at least 16GB RAM and a 2TB solid state drive is going to be your best bang for your buck. Now, in saying that, you can also run validators on Raspberry Pis or what's something called a Rock5B board, but for everyday people, I would suggest something like an Intel NUC and run something called DAP node on it, which makes it really easy to stack. And DAP node actually has their own solution with Avado. So Avado is basically an Intel NUC that comes preloaded with DAP node and then you can

• 1:03:51Speaker 01

  run it with that. So yeah, I would say that's your best bang for your buck, kind of node to run a dedicated ETH node slash validators on that.

• 1:04:00David Hoffman?

  I forgot I have one right here.

• 1:04:01Speaker 01

  Oh, there you go. That's all it is, really. That's all you need. And you can run up to hundreds of validators off of that, which is actually what someone from the Rockpool community does. I don't believe he's running it off a NUC. I think it's either off a Rock5B or a Raspberry Pi. He runs hundreds of Rockpool mini pools off of that, which means he's running validators on that. So when you, when you kind of look at it like that, yeah, you don't need beefy overpowered hardware at all. And people who do that, like me, are just doing that because they like pretty things. But yeah, an Intel NUC or an Avado, which is basically a NUC coming preinstalled with DAP node, is probably going to be your best bang for buck, I think.

• 1:04:36David Hoffman?

  Yeah, and these are really what these machines are for. They're just like the minimum viable computer that's in a tiny little box. And it does all the computation you would ever need for a computationally constrained blockchain, like your individual computer can totally run a blockchain. And it doesn't really need to be that big. All right, and then last question, Theo, will there always be an N plus one layer twos? Or do you think we will settle with a winner take most kind of market between one of Optimism, Arbitrum, ZK Sync? I'm not sure if they specifically chose these three, but there are some bigger layer twos that we would expect to be in the future. And I think that N plus one phrasing is kind of interesting. I think, so I think the question is, will there always be growth in the supply of layer twos?

• 1:05:19David Hoffman?

  Or will there be concentration on a few layer twos that will scale both horizontally and vertically? What do you think about this, Anthony?

• 1:05:26Speaker 01

  So broadly speaking, to me, there are two kind of categories of Layer 2s. There are the generalized ones, like Optimism and Arbitrum, that allow you to do anything like what you do on Ethereum Layer 1. And then there are the specialized ones, like the app Layer 1, oh, sorry, the app L2s like DYDX, for example, that are very specific to a use case and very specific to just DYDX. So I think that in terms of generalized platforms, there's only going to be a small handful of them that actually take the majority of the market share. There aren't going to be hundreds of these generalized L2s that all share market share. It's just not going to happen like that, I don't believe. But then on the dedicated L2 app layers kind of things, I think that we're going to have hundreds of those. I think there's going to be a lot of different ones. Not all of them are going to succeed, of course, but they're definitely going to be quite prominent.

• 1:06:11Speaker 01

  So that's how I split it up. And I think obviously the market leaders right now are Arbitrum and Optimism in terms of the generalized platforms. But the jury's still out on a long-term winner. I mean, as we've seen, there are ecosystems that can kind of build up a network effect, but then lose that quite quickly because it may not have been a real network effect. It may have just been subsidized by bull market activity. But yeah, that's how I generally look at it. And I think that's a good way to frame it as well because there is not going to be hundreds of generalized L2s. There's just, I mean, just from a perspective of network effect, there's not that... The network effect begets the network effect. And because of the power law distributions that we see in pretty much everything, I don't think the generalized L2s are going to escape that power law effect.

• 1:06:53David Hoffman?

  Yeah, I think we can definitely apply the same reasoning why you and I both don't think that there will be a large number of smart contract Layer 1s are probably going to extend itself into Layer 2s. There's probably not going to be that many smart contract Layer 2 either for the same reasons that we believe the first case. But then there's also, you do get the more app-specific chains. Like, there's always going to be like a single chain for like World of Warcraft, for example, or whatever like more specific niche use case you have for a specific server of some kind. But then also, there's takes like Paul Palenia's take, who thinks that they always emphasize the possibility that a Layer 2 will be able to produce some possible new type of money, a new economic model for money. I've seen them articulate that a number of times.

• 1:07:38David Hoffman?

  And so there's like perhaps use cases for Layer 2s that we haven't even really been able to optimize for yet. Actually, Anthony, I do have one more question for you. I can't actually remember where this was asked in the inner circle, but I thought I'd ask you. What is your favorite Pokémon?

• 1:07:55Speaker 01

  Oh geez, that's putting me on the spot. I haven't played a Pokemon game in a long time. I think my favorite from, I guess, like when I used to play it a lot, which was a very, very long time ago, Sapphire and Ruby days, Gen 3. I would say my favorite from back then was probably Salamance, because the way that you got Salamance was getting a Bagon, and I think it's Bagon, and to get that, you had to go to a specific cave and kind of find it, and it took me a while to get there and find it, and I just, I actually remember where I was. I was at the beach, playing on my Game Boy as a little kid with my parents, and I got it there, and then it involved into Sheldon, I think it was, Sheldon or something, and then Salamance. So yeah, but yeah, since then, I haven't really kind of played it too much, so that would be my answer.

• 1:08:40David Hoffman?

  All right, and of course, all of these questions came from the Inner Circle Discord. If you want to come in and have some fun with this, sign up for Bankless Premium, and I will see you in there in the questions and answers channel. One take of the week this week out of Crypto Twitter, and this is coming from DGen Spartan himself. And if anyone else tweeted this tweet, I definitely wouldn't have included it. But DGen Spartan says, "Personally, I'm excited about 2023, because that's when the crypto bear market ends." No specific time in 2023, but just 2023 broadly. Anthony, what do you think about this take?

• 1:09:08Speaker 01

  It's a meme. I'm sorry to burst your bubble. It's a copy past.

• 1:09:11David Hoffman?

  Wait, seriously?

• 1:09:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry.

• 1:09:13David Hoffman?

  No! Did I just get memed?

• 1:09:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, you did. You got inverse broad.

• 1:09:19David Hoffman?

  I just got inverse broad? Wow!

• 1:09:22Speaker 01

  Because, look, DGen Spartan, I consider to be one of the smarter people on Crypto Twitter, even though he shitposts a lot, even though this is a shitpost. Unironically, I think it's also truthful, but he's also been calling the bottom for as long as I have on ETH specifically, and saying that now would be a good time to accumulate for the next cycle, which I also believe, to be honest. So I think the bear market for ETH, like, and BTC ending, I mean, it could be in 2023 if you subscribe to those usual cycles that we see in crypto. But yeah, I think on the surface, this is a shitpost with a bunch of alpha underneath it as well.

• 1:09:57David Hoffman?

  Yeah, see, that's always the beauty about DGen's tweets. It's like, yeah, it's shitpost, but like, it could not be, though. You don't really know. You don't really know.

• 1:10:05Speaker 01

  But I think I think he subscribes to the same thing. Maybe we do where now is the time to accumulate and like on on ETH and maybe BTC. But yeah, it's it's and then he's also saying things like there are some assets that are going to give you 100x from here, just like what happened last cycle, but picking those is really, really hard. It's even harder these days because there's so many more assets and projects. But but yeah, when you see market talk like this on crypto Twitter, just generally to people, I would kind of steer clear of it, no matter who it's coming from, because no one has a crystal ball. But if you are a long term investor, then yeah, I mean, you can look at a few different kind of metrics out there and come to a conclusion based on that.

• 1:10:40David Hoffman?

  And then the last set of tweets that we're going to go through in 2022. This this will actually be the last tweets. Blockworks put out this article that I thought was pretty fun. Crypto Twitter's most liked tweets of the year. There's seven of them. So we're going to go through them one by one. We're not going to talk about this one. We're just going to put it on screen and briefly move on. Number two, Vitalik Buterin about the merge. And we finalized. Happy merge to all. This is a big moment for the Ethereum ecosystem. Everyone who helped make the merge happen should feel proudly today. Anthony, rate this tweet out of 10.

• 1:11:08Speaker 01

  Uh, like 100 out of 10? Like, come on, this is this is easy. This is like, I mean, the merge was the best thing that happened this year. And Vitalik tweeting about I saw Vitalik tear up on the stream, right? Like, he was in like, I couldn't imagine the amount of happiness he was feeling, seeing the merge happen after working on it for so long. It's like his pride and joy, right? His baby. So yeah, I mean, this is the best tweet of the year for me. I mean, the merge is the best thing that happened this year. This is the best tweet. Yeah, that's not even not even hard for me to answer.

• 1:11:35David Hoffman?

  Yeah. And the 194,000 likes. I think that, yeah, this makes it Vitalik's most liked tweet. Coming in number three, CZ. We need less divide in the world, more building. 136,000 likes. Anthony, rate this tweet.

• 1:11:50Speaker 01

  I mean, I agree with the tweet, but coming from CZ, it's a bit ironic. CZ's CZ's kind of like redemption arc has been funny because he's like been able to have like a more positive view of himself because of SBF blowing up. But CZ is still a villain in his own right to me. So I would say I agree with the tweet, but I think it's it's very ironic coming from CZ. And out of 10, I mean, I maybe eight out of 10 or something because that because that's what I've always believed in. Like, let's just keep building. But it would be 10 out of 10 if it came from someone else.

• 1:12:23David Hoffman?

  CZ is a villain. Why is CZ a villain?

• 1:12:26Speaker 01

  Uh, I'm not, I, I, I, to go into it would take me a while, but CZ has promoted some very shady and scammy things in the past to make himself, uh, to make Binance kind of successful. He got into bed with Justin Sun and Tron during the last bear market. He was a very, very, very big promoter of them. Um, and he generally does a lot of the same stuff SBF did in terms of, I guess, like, uh, well, I mean, suspected of, but there's, there's obviously not much proof, but he is definitely better at managing his risk as well. He's definitely better and like, not just, I mean, he's everything, I don't think he's stolen customer deposits or anything like that, but for people who have been around for a while, you'll know that CZ has definitely been a villain and he's just kind of like rejigged his image recently. Uh, maybe these days he's not as much of a villain, but he definitely was back in, back

• 1:13:11Speaker 01

  in the day.

• 1:13:13David Hoffman?

  I definitely agree that those, all those things definitely happened. I will also give him some credit of, he has put a lot of private keys in a lot of people's hands and at the end of the day, you also have to take into account that people in like South America and Argentina use Binance to get their lives done. Uh, and so.

• 1:13:32Speaker 01

  Oh, but Binance is a good business, right? And it's, it's been great for crypto and all those insolvency rumors of, I think were really, really, really dumb about Binance. I think comparing Binance and FTX is completely wrong and comparing CZ and SBF is completely wrong, but at the same time CZ is not an innocent party. It's not like he's an angel. He wa, he definitely is a villain in his own right. He definitely cares about, he cares about growing Binance at all costs. I don't think he cares about his own wealth and, and power. Like SBF definitely cared about power above all else, but I think CZ as a, as a person cares above all else, growing Binance and he, and he stuck to that, which is fair enough, but he's done unscrupulous things to grow Binance, which yeah, that's, that's where the villainous comes from, I think.

• 1:14:13David Hoffman?

  All right, coming in number four, Naib Boukeli, the president of El Salvador, just over a hundred thousand likes. El Salvador just bought the dip with an El Salvador flag. 500 coins at an average US dollar price of $30,700. Anthony, zero out of 10.

• 1:14:29Speaker 01

  Uh, like zero, because this dude's just yeeting his country's like money into BTC at the highs. And I really don't think that his citizens cared much for BTC or cared much for it being integrated. They, uh, yeah, El Salvador as a country is, is not, you know, it's not a first order country, right? And to see your presidents, and I say president with quotation marks, uh, because there is, uh, apparently he's not much of a president, more of a dictator, to see him yeeting this money into BTC and to being underwater on it, and then trying to force his citizens to accept BTC at their businesses and stuff. I don't know. I, I don't think this is, this is a great look at all. Uh, and I've, I've been critical of this from, for a very long time.

• 1:15:07David Hoffman?

  Yeah. Uh, again, I, I don't totally disagree. Michael Saylor tweets out, Monday morning is time to get back to work and it's a meme of Michael Saylor handing you McDonald's fries? Hashtag Bitcoin. Anthony, read this tweet.

• 1:15:21Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, I, I think as a meme, it's hilarious. Um, uh, again, going back to like the person tweeting it versus the tweet itself. Uh, so I guess like eight out of 10 maybe, but he tweeted this in May of, of this year when BTC was collapsing and so was ETH and everything else, right? And he's just making fun of himself for being underwater. So I guess he's got some, some humor there. Um, but, but at the same time, yeah, at this like sailor, I'm, I'm not a big fan of, as people know.

• 1:15:45David Hoffman?

  Yeah. You, you have to give him the credit on the tweet though. That is pretty damn funny.

• 1:15:48Speaker 01

  Definitely. Yeah.

• 1:15:49David Hoffman?

  Sam Bankman Fried, 58,000 likes. Uh, one, I'm sorry. That's the biggest thing. Two, I effed up. I should have done better. Anthony, read this tweet.

• 1:15:59Speaker 01

  Oh, I mean, like negative a million out of, out of 10. I, they're like saying, I, I should have done better. Are you kidding me, bro? Like you literally knowingly stole customer deposits to try and yeet into things to try and like leverage, try to make up for your bad trades. Like get out of here. Get out of here. Like I, I'm, I'm so glad that he actually got arrested and is actually facing jail time for his, uh, his crimes here, because this is just ridiculous. And I think I said this on, on my own show. People like SBF who were just basically massive egomaniacs, when their empires crumble, their mind breaks. And they're actually not thinking straight anymore because then they, they know deep down that they're never coming back from this, right? And they're, he's not the only one, Doquan, 3AC. Um, and they, they, they speak like they're actually like mentally deranged.

• 1:16:42Speaker 01

  And they're saying things that a normal person wouldn't say, and that's simply because their mind is broken, their empire is gone. Uh, and their life is over. They, I think they know that and their, their, their careers are over and they have to deal with that. And their way of dealing with that is this, apparently.

• 1:16:57David Hoffman?

  Yeah, that's a pretty good take.

• 1:16:58Speaker 01

  Speaking of the devil.

• 1:17:00David Hoffman?

  Speaking of Do Kwon, yeah, Do Kwon at 41,000 likes, close to announcing a recovery plan for UST. Hang tight, tweeted out on May 10th of 2022, 41,000 likes. Anthony, read this tweet.

• 1:17:12Speaker 01

  The same as the previous tweet, like what a piece of shit, right? Promising people that he was gonna be able to recover UST and everyone had their money and people lost billions of dollars. Like seriously, like when Do Kwon arrests, honestly, like what a, what, I'm not gonna mince words here, like him and SBF and and the others of this cycle that have knowingly lost customers, their money and created these, these bullshit things. And especially people like Do Kwon who had a massive ego and would dunk on everyone, calling out anything wrong with UST or anything like bad about UST. Yeah, I mean, and the fact that they were so liked, these tweets as well. It just speaks to how crazy the bull market got and how people just didn't really give a shit about anything except making money.

• 1:17:52Speaker 01

  But, but yeah, I mean, the lesson from all of these people is that the most popular people in a bull market are not people you should be following. They're usually the ones who get washed out first and we saw it this year. We saw them all get washed out. And yeah, maybe lessons for next, next bull market, people that are still around today.

• 1:18:07David Hoffman?

  Yeah, I did tweet out about what lessons did we learn during this last bear market? And it was like, oh yeah, we don't listen to egotistical personalities. So I don't think we're gonna fall for that again. I hope there's like a decent number of people who all learn these lessons. I'm not optimistic that there's like not another new lesson that we learn that we don't totally foresee. But that was my take about that. All right, Anthony, to close it out, of course, we're gonna do the very last meme of the week of the year of 2022. Are you ready for it?

• 1:18:35Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:18:36David Hoffman?

  Here we go. It's Gary Gensler who's saying, come on in and talk to us. And then Sam Bakman Fried saying, I did several times. Give us your takes.

• 1:18:46Speaker 01

  I mean, I gotta be careful with what I say here because I'm dealing with, with accusing people of things. But there is a lot of kind of evidence and a lot of proof that Gary Gensler was, I mean, in bed with SBF and not treating him like a bad actor, actually inviting him in, treating him like a good actor, getting ready or gearing up to give him preferential treatment. That's kind of come out. It's all alleged. I'm not saying it's proven or anything like that. But I think Gary Gensler has done an absolutely terrible job as the SEC chair. He has not protected really anyone. He only cares about himself and his own career, which is evidenced by him going after celebrities like Kim Kardashian, instead of going after the actual scammers in crypto, the big ones.

• 1:19:27Speaker 01

  So, so yeah, he did nothing to protect people from FTX and SBF. And obviously, FTX wasn't regulated in the US. FTX US was, but FTX was in the Bahamas. But the reason that was, was because they wouldn't provide a regulatory framework for FTX to operate within the US. And yeah, I mean, there's a lot of takes on the SEC in general, but yeah, they've completely failed in their mandate in my eyes.

• 1:19:49David Hoffman?

  Yeah, and I've actually been talking to a number of securities lawyers in last weeks going down the securities law SEC rabbit hole. And the both, the two takes that I've gotten is that in order for crypto to get the regulation that we want, we're going to need a new administration. And so I'm going to put my, my daydreaming hat on. And I'm going to say that because of this, because of the relationship between SBF, FTX, and Gary Gensler, as Gary Gensler was using SBF and FTX as like a playing card to elevate his position and his power, that hopefully is also the downfall of Gary Gensler, as if this plays out and then we get a new administration in the SEC as a result of that. Maybe I'm daydreaming, but I see that as a potential possible path forward,

• 1:20:34David Hoffman?

  which would be extremely bullish. But that is just absolutely mere speculation. Anthony, sadly, our time is going to have to come to an end because we've gone so far over time, but I have absolutely enjoyed this weekly roll up that we've done together. Thank you, of course, for always subbing in for when we need to get the AI, some software updates. If y'all want more of Anthony, he puts out a video basically every single day, 30 minutes about what is going on in the Ethereum ecosystem. It is called The Daily Gray. You can find it on YouTube. I get it as a podcast. Anthony, talk a little bit more about The Daily Gray.

• 1:21:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I will, I will say that if you're into Ethereum and really Ethereum alone and want to hear me say bullish things about Ethereum, then the Daily Guay is for you. Please don't come to the Daily Guay expecting me to say nice things about other ecosystems. I think some people get the wrong idea sometimes. The Daily Guay is an Ethereum dedicated channel. It is not like Bankless, which tries to cover everything. It is definitely Ethereum and Ethereum alone. But if you're into that, if you are all about Ethereum, then the Daily Guay, I think, I believe, is the best resource for keeping up to date with everything happening in Ethereum. So, yeah, and I would really appreciate it if you subscribed and watched my videos and gave me feedback if you think I'm doing things right or doing things wrong. But yeah, go, go check that out if you're into that stuff.

• 1:21:45David Hoffman?

  Yeah, and I, of course, have the Daily Guay in my ears at least a few times a week, at least a few times a week. I do try and catch every single episode, but I definitely binge them for sure. Anthony, thank you so much for joining us. And also, Bankless Nation, thank you for joining Bankless throughout all of these weekly rollups of the year. That was 52 out of 52 weeks that we've done a weekly rollup. And Anthony, thank you for joining me for, I think, two or three of them?

• 1:22:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's definitely been three, I think, or four, maybe four. But yeah, thanks for having me. This is always very fun.

• 1:22:13David Hoffman?

  Yeah, absolutely. And of course, Anthony, did you know that crypto is risky? You can lose what you put in, but we are headed west. This is the frontier. It is not for everyone, but we are glad you are with us on the Bankless journey. Thanks a lot. Oh, and also, here's a moment to zen. Bam!

• 1:22:28Speaker 02

  Hey, hi. So I'm SBF, founder and CEO of FTX. My accidental theft of our customers' life savings to create a giant over-leveraged Ponzi slush fund for myself is a tragedy that should have never happened. And to all those affected, I want to say, I am deeply sorry. I'm sorry.

• 1:22:52Speaker 02

  I'm sorry.

• 1:22:56Speaker 02

  Sorry.

• 1:23:01Speaker 02

  Oops. Sorry.

• 1:23:05Speaker 02

  I'm sorry.

• 1:23:09Speaker 02

  Sorry.

• 1:23:15Speaker 02

  I'm deeply sorry. Sorry. Oopsie doopsie.

• 1:23:26Speaker 02

  Ladies and gentlemen, we got him.

• 1:23:36Speaker 03

  Some breaking news. In the case against disgraced crypto founder Sam Bankman-Fried, he was just released on $250 million bond.

• 1:23:59David Hoffman?

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• 1:24:44David Hoffman?

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