Kylie & Mandy Moore on Princess Diaries 3, ‘This Is Us’ Mom Hacks & Banning “Bouncing Back” | Ep. 27

Kylie’s back for a brand new episode of Not Gonna Lie and starts things off by responding to some of the Real Ones’ top feedback on the new NGL merch (1:45), including whether the shirts should come with stains already on them from the Kelce girls and if we should offer special green and red colored shirts during the NFL season? Kylie then kicks off a hefty “Doomscroll of the Week” beginning with her brutally honest thoughts on the viral “how many likes” trend on TikTok (4:34). It started somewhat innocently with people asking their partners for designer bags and puppies, but Kylie is questioning how some of us are out here making major life decisions based on social media likes?! Also, Kylie reacts to an adorable clip of a toddler referring to his dad as “babe” and shares the funniest things the girls have called her and Jason over the years (6:55). Plus, Kylie responds to Ilona Maher’s latest take on the phrase “nothing tastes as good as skinny feels” with foods that “taste better than skinny” (10:22) as well as other phrases that need to be banned like “bouncing back after pregnancy" (13:45). Then, Kylie is joined by actress, singer and millennial icon Mandy Moore (17:00)! Kylie shares the latest on the Kelce cat saga with Mandy who had some cat convincing of her own to do with her husband (18:07). She also sees how many Princess Diaries questions she can ask Mandy, including any intel she may have on Princess Diaries 3 (20:03). After that, Kylie asks Mandy about her memorable 90s style, butterfly clips, choker necklaces and all (22:10). Mandy also talks about the times she dyed her eyebrows blonde and used red eyeliner in the early 2000s. Kylie and Mandy also talk about some of her biggest acting roles in “A Walk To Remember” and “This Is Us” where she also learned how to change a diaper and swaddle a baby for the first time on set (27:58). Then, Kylie and Mandy talk some more about motherhood, including whether or not Mandy got a lot of unsolicited opinions on having her third baby at 40 (32:40), the most humbling things their kids have said to them lately and if 0-1 kids is still definitely the toughest transition (35:35). Lastly, Kylie dug up an old article Mandy did with Seventeen Magazine from 2003 where she listed “60 Things I Want To Do Before I’m 30” (37:40) and quizzes her on some of the most ridiculous things on the list, including if she’s “visited space” or “seen a ghost.” Make sure you tune into More Sh*t Monday on the Not Gonna Lie YouTube channel for more exclusive clips from Kylie’s longer conversation with Mandy Moore! . . . Purchase NGL Merch: www.nglkylie.com Support the Show: Visible: Ready for wireless that lets you live in the know? Make the switch at https://www.visible.com/ One line wireless starting at $25 a month. For our best features, get the new Visible+ Pro plan for $45/mo. Support Women’s Health & Sign Mandy’s Petition with Perelel: change.org/closethegap Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:31Speaker 01

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• 0:58Kylie Kelce?

  Not gonna lie, I definitely forgot my makeup bag at the beach house, so I may or may not have used my mascara on my eyelashes and my eyebrows. Let's get this podcast started.

• 1:18Kylie Kelce?

  Welcome back to Not Gonna Lie, a Wave original. I'm your host, Kylie Kelce. I blast early 2000s hip-hop and R&B in my minivan. Are my kids asleep? Yes, because they'll fight me, not because I'm afraid of them listening to early 2000s hip-hop and R&B. My go-to karaoke song is nothing. You couldn't pay me to get up in front of a crowd with a microphone. And I've never seen a single episode of Love Island. Should I change that? I will say that it is partially on my algorithm. I have seen a couple clips.

• 1:51Kylie Kelce?

  From Love Island, specifically some dance moves. If you know, you know. They were impressive, guys. Coming up on today's episode, I've got a hefty doom scroll of the week for the real ones. Spoiler alert, I'm a little concerned about how some of us might be making some major life decisions based on TikTok likes.

• 2:09Kylie Kelce?

  We gotta cut that out. Plus, a friend of mine and a friend of the show, Alona Marr, reminded me of some fucked up phrases people are still using when it comes to diet and exercise, which has inspired a brand new edition of, you know what's fucked up? And after all of that, you're gonna hear my conversation with actress, singer, and all-around millennial icon, Mandy Moore. Gosh, yet another person I had no business speaking to, but it was incredible. But before we get to that, last week was our first official NGL merch drop. That's right. Some of you have tagged me and said that you already purchased it. Oh, my gosh, you're gonna look so good. You guys know the way I run to a comment section during my doom scroll hours. Some top tier comments first up from con artist.

• 2:54Kylie Kelce?

  That's funny. I see what you did there. "Part of the design should be markers and stains. The new stains won't be as obvious." That is genius. Let's do that. I'll get Elliot Wyatt on it immediately. Maybe Benny, because she's feeling a little mischievous recently. I'll just leave all the shirts laid out in the, in the playroom with the, on the table

• 3:16Kylie Kelce?

  with various things that they like to stain things with. And then we'll see what happens. I can only guarantee that there will be frozen raspberries on at least everything that I put down. That's our current situation. Kitty Merengue said, @kaykelsey, you need one in red, so you have something to wear to Chiefs games. It is a good suggestion because most people here know I do not wear Chiefs things. I won't wear any others. This is not just the Chiefs things, thing. I will not wear any other NFL team besides the Eagles. I will wear red to support Uncle Trath. And sometimes that red is Cincinnati Bearcats.

• 4:01Kylie Kelce?

  Shout out to the, their alma mater. But, uh, the one problem with this suggestion is that I can't, I can't wear my own name on a shirt. I can't do it. I can't do it.

• 4:16Kylie Kelce?

  I can't. Okay. So if you guys want it, maybe we could do it. Maybe we should make this into a special colors for NFL season. We could do Kelly green. And then obviously maybe red for the Chiefs. We also got a ton of suggestions for a fuck around and find out shirt, specifically FAFO, because I don't think we should be walking around with fuck around and find out on the front of a T-shirt. We might encounter some children who may be learning how to read and then ta-da, that's messed up.

• 4:47Kylie Kelce?

  Let's not do that. We'll behave ourselves. We'll do FAFO. We should figure out another acronym that FAFO could stand for so that if you are asked by a small human what that stands for, then you can lie through your teeth. Our last thing on merch, I want to share that a portion of the NGL merch proceeds are going to go to a charitable organization with each new drop. Because we didn't pick an organization before this, we are going to do what we love to do around here, spread the love. And that love is going to go to Be Philly. That's right. It is my husband's foundation that he started his last year

• 5:26Kylie Kelce?

  in the league. For the next merch drop, we'll make sure that the real ones get to speak their minds. It will go to a fan vote. You can make sure that you are up to date on all that information by following at NGL with Kylie on all social media and we'll make sure that you guys get a say in what the next merch drop will impact. Moving on, let's get into doom scroll of the week brought to you by Visible. First up on doom scroll, there's a popular trend on TikTok that has taken an interesting turn. I'm talking about the how many likes trend, which started somewhat innocently with people posting a screenshot of a text to their partner, asking how many likes to buy them a designer bag, a spa day, or even a car.

• 6:14Kylie Kelce?

  But now, people are out here asking how many likes from strangers on social media for their partners to propose, or even more wild, have another baby. I'm sorry, what? I get tagged in these on a semi-regular basis. And respectfully, why are we making decisions like this? Is anyone actually following through? This is what I will say. I did, I did partake. By answering someone that said that they needed, I don't know if it was me, or someone, I got tagged in something. So I think, I think they said that I was supposed to comment, and I commented because someone was talking about getting a dog.

• 6:58Kylie Kelce?

  But we've gone a little too far now. It's one thing to, to get a bag, or to, I mean, even a car. God, that's so, that is a, like a substantial, and like a dog, too. That is a, guys, if it was, if we didn't need to be responsible adults, okay? I would have 17 dogs, 17, minimum. And also, the whole engagement part, ladies, this is probably not my place to say, I'm gonna say it anyway. We shouldn't have to ask. You can have like conversations about it and be, have a back and forth, but if he doesn't

• 7:43Kylie Kelce?

  want to. Oh, if it's going to take TikTok likes for your significant other to propose to you, get the fuck out. All right, let's keep it scrolling. Here to one of the best TikToks of the year. The caption says, "Before I had kids, I always thought it was kinda weird when parents referred to each other as mommy and daddy, until my son started yelling, 'Babe,' when he was looking for my husband." Queen Emma, roll the clip.

• 8:20Kylie Kelce?

  Is that not the cutest little voice you ever heard in your whole life? My goodness, I feel like this is a good time to just make everyone aware. I, the idea of me saying babe, or being called babe makes me itch. Uh, I'm not a talking pig. I don't, I can't explain it. I heard that one time when I was younger and my parents were not babe people. My parents were, um,

• 8:48Kylie Kelce?

  I can't say this with a straight face. My parents were, I can't, I can't say it with a straight face. My parents were birdie. I don't, I can't.

• 9:01Kylie Kelce?

  Anyway, I don't like the name babe. Uh, the girls, they will occasionally call Jason, Jason, or Jay.

• 9:12Kylie Kelce?

  They, Ellie has also called Jason, big guy?

• 9:22Kylie Kelce?

  I want to be abundantly clear, that is not something I call my husband. But she, I believe heard it on Bluey. I could be wrong, but she heard it somewhere. I think it was Bluey and occasionally will call Jason, big guy. So she'll be like, come on, big guy. Time to get up, big guy. Let's go in the other room, big guy. Like, and says it like it's completely normal, which is ridiculous. I will refer to my husband as dad.

• 9:55Kylie Kelce?

  And I do that on a probably too frequent basis, which is probably why we end up in a back and forth with our kids where they don't really venture out into things other than our names and then mom and dad.

• 10:12Kylie Kelce?

  But I will regularly say like, hey dad. And Jason will return it and be like, yeah, mom.

• 10:24Kylie Kelce?

  It's only in front of our kids. I don't, it just happens because that's what our kids are calling us. I don't know. But big guy is the one that caught me the most off guard. I love the fact that this little kid, the, the other thing is I think it's cute when your kids start to use compliments towards your significant others that you use. So like, our girls will tell Jason all the time, like, oh, you look so handsome. And I'm like, I'm glad I say that enough in front of you, that it's coming out like that. So that it is very sweet when you start to, because they're little parrots. Everybody knows that. It's very sweet when they

• 11:07Kylie Kelce?

  parrot sweet things because then you know that you're speaking kindly and appropriately in front of them, that those are the things that they're soaking in and they want to share with the people around them. So, good job to mom for calling her husband babe and for her little son being one of the cutest all babe I've ever heard. Nailed that. The last thing on this week's doom scroll, my friend and favorite content creator, Alona Mar, put out another banger. Queen Emma hit it.

• 11:36Speaker 03

  Nothing tastes as good as skinny feels. Uh, y'all trying to be strong? I feel good. I feel, I feel well fed. And also, have you guys tasted tiramisu? Because that

• 11:54Kylie Kelce?

  I would like to piggyback on that. Okay. Tiramisu, a fat ass piece of chocolate cake, a 3pm cold turkey sandwich on the beach, a bowl of pasta with more Parmesan than pasta. Okay. All of these things are things that taste infinitely better, infinitely better than skinny feels. I can promise you that. Okay. I don't like the idea that we need to, I don't like the idea that we need to sacrifice having delicious things to be skinny.

• 12:41Kylie Kelce?

  Coming from someone who is not meant, I am not destined to be tiny queen. Okay, I'm not destined to be that. Some people are built that way. It's not me. The call is not coming from inside of this house. Okay. I, in college, I kid you not, there were times where I was just like,

• 13:06Kylie Kelce?

  yeah, I'm gonna have to go to Wegmans to get my personal chocolate cake. I used to go to Wegmans and get one of the little, it's little, it's probably like this, I say little. I mean little in comparison to the other cakes around it. Okay, but it was an actual cake. Like, it could have been the top tier of a tiered cake. Okay, and then I would go back. And I'd offer to share, because that's the kind thing to do. But I'd take a fork to that motherfucker. Okay, I'm not putting it on plate, I'm not slicing pieces out of it. Kiss my ass, okay? I am taking that fork directly into that chocolate ganache and shoveling it into my face.

• 13:50Kylie Kelce?

  Because it tasted good. Way fucking better than skinny. As a mom of four little girls and a coach to high school girls, this isn't, this ain't it. I have purposely changed the way that I speak about myself, both to myself in front of my kids and in front of my athletes. Also, you don't earn a treat when you work out. You don't earn a treat. You should be working out to feel stronger, to have better endurance, to feel healthy, to feel

• 14:30Kylie Kelce?

  better overall. But you should not be working out to earn any type of food. You must eat to fuel your body. Some other phrases, I'll work it off in the gym tomorrow. A minute on the lips, lifetime on the hips. Cut it out. Now, these are just a few of the many fucked up phrases I think we need to ban. But there's another one that really hits close to home right now, which brings me back to my next segment. You know what's fucked up? Hey, you know what's fucked up? The phrase bounce back after pregnancy. Oh, my God.

• 15:03Kylie Kelce?

  Here's the problem. Every single person I've seen grow a human being and pop them out have rebounded in their own time. And for all the people who are in the comments saying things like, "You look fantastic after having Finn," or "You look amazing after having your fourth," first of all, I know that you mean that nicely, but at the end of the day, if I looked like this and I hadn't just had my fourth child, would you say I looked tired?

• 15:36Kylie Kelce?

  Because yes, I'm very tired.

• 15:40Kylie Kelce?

  My point is, is that we don't need to comment on the fact that a woman is postpartum and how she is doing with her postpartum journey physically. And I think we should be more concerned about the overall well-being of women postpartum. I don't think that we need to bounce back. Oh. And also, there are some things that we as women who have just grown humans cannot bounce back. I can't bounce back my stretch marks. They're with me forever.

• 16:21Kylie Kelce?

  Do I like them? Let's be honest. No. I liked when my tummy didn't have a bunch of little ridges in it, but guess what? It does. Do I still look damn good? Yes. I feel like the worst piece about the bouncing back is that it is comparison to either your body before you had kids or people around you. Cut it out. We do not need to compare ourselves, ladies. You don't need to compare yourselves to the person you were before you had kids because, newsflash, she didn't fucking have kids. Okay? And you don't have to compare yourself to those around you because there is beauty in the fact that we are unique

• 17:06Kylie Kelce?

  from each other. That does it for Doom Scroll of the Week, brought to you by Visible, as well as this special edition of You Know What's Fucked Up. Mandy Moore is coming up right after this message from me about Visible. If you're a real one, or you just heard the last segment of this episode, you know all about my doom-scrolling habits. I'm doom-scrolling TikTok really all hours of the day and night when I'm feeding Finn, and I've been known to get down some rabbit holes. You know, the Wirehead Dachshunds, Feral Child Summer.

• 17:39Kylie Kelce?

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• 18:24Speaker 00

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• 18:55Speaker 01

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• 19:22Kylie Kelce?

  You know her from This Is Us, A Walk to Remember, my personal favorite, Princess Diaries and my girl's personal favorite, Tangled. She's also the platinum certified singer behind her 1999 banger, Candy. She's a mom of three, a wife, an advocate for women's health and now she's not gonna lie. Mandy Moore, thank you for joining me.

• 19:45Speaker 04

  Thank you for having me. Hi.

• 19:47Kylie Kelce?

  Hello.

• 19:48Speaker 04

  Hello.

• 19:49Kylie Kelce?

  Um, I'm not gonna lie, when I found out we booked you for the show, I told my producer, how many Princess Diaries questions can I ask before Mandy tells me to fuck off?

• 19:56Speaker 04

  No, you can ask all the questions. If I have an answer, I'll certainly tell you. But man, that was like 20, god, like almost 25 years ago.

• 20:06Kylie Kelce?

  No.

• 20:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 20:08Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah. Not possible.

• 20:09Speaker 04

  2,000, we're talking.

• 20:11Kylie Kelce?

  That's crazy.

• 20:12Speaker 04

  I know.

• 20:12Kylie Kelce?

  It does not feel that lo- does it feel that long ago for you?

• 20:15Speaker 04

  Ah, in some ways, sure. It feels like that was a different person who lived then. But, um, but in other ways, yeah, it just feels like it was yesterday. Strange.

• 20:24Kylie Kelce?

  Um, I hate to go off topic here, right off the bat, but, um, did I see that you have a furry friend?

• 20:30Speaker 04

  Yes, we have multiple furry friends and they're probably gonna all wanna be on camera 'cause that's just what they do.

• 20:37Kylie Kelce?

  This is perfect. Um, I don't know if you know this, but I have a, uh, constant battle going on with my husband about when the time will be that we are allowed to get a cat. He doesn't care for cats and has told our kids that they're poisonous.

• 20:49Speaker 04

  Oh, really?

• 20:52Kylie Kelce?

  Yes. Uh, to be clear, he had a cat growing up that he loved very much. And she was a badass. She would like catch birds in the backyard in the midair. And he was very impressed by her. Uh, but he's convinced.

• 21:04Speaker 04

  So what's happened?

• 21:04Kylie Kelce?

  He's convinced we don't need a cat. Regardless, we will get a cat. We have a whole plan. But I do like to just tag in every so often and be like, oh, cat lover? Great.

• 21:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, cat lover. We have, we have three cats here. In fact, I had to sort of, my husband had to come around. He, he did not grow up with cats. He was a strictly dog household. And I, uh, he sort of inherited these animals when we started dating. And now he's like a full cat person. It happens.

• 21:32Kylie Kelce?

  I truly believe that, I think they sniff it out, honestly. I think they're like, I need to break this guy down. I'm gonna work on him for a little bit.

• 21:38Speaker 04

  Once they choose their person and once like, yeah, a cat chooses a man, forget it. They're like, they're a puddle. They love cats.

• 21:45Kylie Kelce?

  Yep. Perfect. Thank you so much for that support. I will need it. Um, what movie would you say is the movie that people ask you the, about the most?

• 21:59Speaker 04

  Probably A Walk to Remember or Princess Diaries. One of the two. It sort of depends on like, um, you know, if people are sort of relating back to their own childhood and sort of the nostalgia that they have wrapped up in A Walk to Remember versus like maybe their kids discovering Princess Diaries for the first time. So it just depends on what, what like, you know, chapter of their life that they're in.

• 22:23Kylie Kelce?

  And, uh, we did see that Princess Diaries 3 is officially happening.

• 22:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's what I heard.

• 22:30Kylie Kelce?

  Okay, so I'm gonna assume, I'm gonna assume that your character will not be making a return if you're saying that's what you heard?

• 22:37Speaker 04

  I mean-

• 22:37Kylie Kelce?

  Or can you not tell us that?

• 22:39Speaker 04

  No, no, no, I would totally be honest with you.

• 22:40Kylie Kelce?

  Oh, okay, perfect.

• 22:41Speaker 04

  I had heard that there was maybe an idea to have my, my character sort of, um, make a bit of a cameo, but that was months ago. I haven't heard anything since. Who knows? I mean, I, I would be game. I'd love for there to be some sort of redemptive storyline, like maybe my character is working with like, like at an animal rescue or something like, hopefully she's made something good of her life. Totally, totally. Like she's sort of like a come around and she's actually a, a good person and she peaked in high school and maybe that like gave her some, I don't know. She, she's-

• 23:15Kylie Kelce?

  She got humbled after high school and now she's doing great.

• 23:18Speaker 04

  Exactly, exactly. That's what I'm hoping for. If, if I, if I return.

• 23:22Kylie Kelce?

  We will, I'll cross my fingers and toes for that to happen.

• 23:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:25Kylie Kelce?

  I hope so. Maybe we could manifest it right now. Everyone heard it. That's what we would like.

• 23:29Speaker 04

  We're manifesting it.

• 23:30Kylie Kelce?

  Yes. Um, all right. The last Princess Diaries question, I promise. Uh, I was doom scrolling your Instagram in preparation for this conversation and I saw you post about the denim suit you wore to the Princess Diaries premiere in 2001.

• 23:44Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:45Kylie Kelce?

  Were you going for the cool casual look or?

• 23:49Speaker 04

  Kylie.

• 23:52Speaker 04

  Honestly, I can't tell you what I was thinking. And I would say that about the majority of like my hair and makeup choices and wardrobe choices back then. I mean, I know that like the late 90s and 2000s have really been circling back again. And I see all the stuff on TikTok with like butterfly clips and chokers and stuff. And I wasn't really there for it then. So I can't say that I get behind it now either. But yeah, I guess I was going for like, business casual as a 16 year old. Like, it was terrible. It was this like, light denim sort of chambray-ish suit. It was bad. And I think I wore like a black tank top. Like, it was just a terrible. Clearly, no one was helping me get dressed. That was all me. Yeah, bad, bad, bad, across the board.

• 24:37Kylie Kelce?

  I think it's really big of you to take on full responsibility of that.

• 24:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, I cannot blame that on anybody else. That was purely my choice, as a lot of those choices were. I mean, I look back at like the candy video. Someone helped me get dressed for that. But it was like, who allowed me to have my hair like that? It was, it was, it was ridiculous. It wasn't even popular at that time. So I can't even blame it on like, oh, well, you know, MAC glittery lip gloss. Like, that was the thing. It was like, no, no one was wearing their hair like that. That was, that was a choice all by me, I guess.

• 25:09Kylie Kelce?

  I do love that on your Instagram, you put up throwbacks over the years, and you've called yourself out for some of these fashion choices.

• 25:17Speaker 04

  I feel like I need to bring that around again. It's so hard. I mean, you know, like, being a mom now, my Instagram has really taken a hit in terms of like, the content of me like, really digging up old photos. But I feel like I need to bring that back around again. It's important to humble yourself.

• 25:33Kylie Kelce?

  I mean, just to name a few. The dyed eyebrows, blonde, red eyeliner was a good one.

• 25:42Speaker 04

  Red eyeliner.

• 25:43Kylie Kelce?

  I personally really enjoyed the zigzag part.

• 25:46Speaker 04

  The zigzag part with the like, little crystals with the eyelash glue that you would put like, yeah, it was, it was, it was a time, the late 90s. We got, we got away with a lot. Yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm a fair bit older than you. So you were a wee baby when all of this was happening. But yeah, it was, it was not.

• 26:07Kylie Kelce?

  I was old enough to remember all of it vividly.

• 26:10Speaker 04

  I'm sorry about that.

• 26:13Kylie Kelce?

  I'd love to circle back to your acting career.

• 26:16Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 26:16Kylie Kelce?

  Because you went from pop star to being a big time actress very fast. I think everyone was obsessed with A Walk to Remember. I remember when that came out, I mean, an unbelievable amount of tears.

• 26:27Speaker 04

  Just a lot.

• 26:30Kylie Kelce?

  But is before you've said, I believe that this is one of the roles you're most proud of.

• 26:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, I was a big Nicholas Sparks fan. I had read a few of his books and

• 26:44Speaker 04

  and when the opportunity came along to audition for this, I was just so hopeful that things would go my way. Yeah, I loved this story and, you know, to eventually get the part and be a part of telling this story was just like a real boon. I, yeah, it's something that I feel very proud of. And it's, it's really, it's just incredible that it's a project that like young people are still discovering. I mean, again, we made this in 2001, it came out in 2002 and and the fact that like, you know, young people are still discovering it to this day is

• 27:29Speaker 04

  it's just not lost on me. It's really, it's very, very sweet how, how people still feel connected to this story and those characters. And my husband has still never seen the movie. I think he lied the other day and told somebody was like, A Walk to Remember, so sad. He's like, yeah, so sad. I'm like, you, you've never seen it, but yeah. So, um, so that's funny. Maybe one day we'll have like group viewing with, with our kids when they get older and, and Taylor can watch it for the first time, too.

• 27:55Kylie Kelce?

  A little watch party.

• 27:57Speaker 04

  A little watch party.

• 27:59Kylie Kelce?

  I've also shared on this show, uh, when I had Kate Hudson on that I love a rom com.

• 28:05Speaker 04

  Love.

• 28:05Kylie Kelce?

  And you've been in some great ones.

• 28:07Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 28:08Kylie Kelce?

  Do you have a favorite rom com that you've been in?

• 28:10Speaker 04

  That I've been in?

• 28:12Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 28:12Speaker 04

  I mean.

• 28:13Kylie Kelce?

  I did, I loved License to Wet.

• 28:15Speaker 04

  Really? Oh, my God, no one ever says that. That's very sweet of you, Kylie. I, I had a lot of fun working on that because Robin Williams, ugh, the greatest. I, I, you know what? I, I love Because I Said So. It's this film I did with Diane Keaton. I mean, it's Diane Keaton. She's just like, you know, on a pedestal to me. And the fact that like I got to work with her, she's she played my mom like I I mean, that was such a bucket list experience. Um, yeah, I I love a good rom com.

• 28:49Kylie Kelce?

  It was also such a sweet messaging, like the because I said so.

• 28:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:54Kylie Kelce?

  Like watching the relationship with you and her and then the idea that like, how many times as a kid were you told by your mom, because I said so.

• 29:02Speaker 04

  Have you started saying that yet?

• 29:04Kylie Kelce?

  Catch her catchphrase, I cannot, I'm still in the why phase of children. Um, I've tried to hit him with the because I said so, and it doesn't, it doesn't sink in.

• 29:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, doesn't resonate yet.

• 29:16Kylie Kelce?

  No, they keep hitting me with, well, why? And I'm like, I was really hoping that was gonna end this little thing we're doing.

• 29:24Speaker 04

  This back and forth. Yeah.

• 29:25Kylie Kelce?

  No, we're not there yet.

• 29:27Speaker 04

  For sure. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not there either. I have little, little so because I said so would just not translate whatsoever.

• 29:33Kylie Kelce?

  Doesn't land. It doesn't land yet.

• 29:35Speaker 04

  No.

• 29:36Kylie Kelce?

  Um, it's been a while since you've starred in a rom com.

• 29:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 29:40Kylie Kelce?

  Uh, would you ever do it again?

• 29:41Speaker 04

  Absolutely. I feel like with the um, like the success of shows like Nobody Wants This, I feel like rom coms are starting to kind of like, like resurface again. Um, and again, I'm, I'm an older lady now. So I'm like, I'm, I'm excited to like, you know, uh, potentially see more stories for people my age of like people at this juncture of their life, um, in, in parenthood and maybe like second marriages, like all those sorts of things. Like, I'd love to see that reflected on screen. So yeah, I would sign up to do another rom com in, in a heartbeat.

• 30:18Kylie Kelce?

  Now, when you were in This Is Us, which is another just makes you feel those deep, deep emotions so strongly.

• 30:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 30:28Kylie Kelce?

  Um, I heard that that was the first time you changed a diaper and learned how to swaddle. Is this correct?

• 30:34Speaker 04

  That is correct, Kylie. I, uh, did not grow up around babies. Um, I had, I, I, I skipped the sort of babysitting phase of life and started working too young. So yeah, by the time I got on This Is Us, I was in my early 30s, had never changed a diaper. And didn't know how to swaddle. And so sweet Milo, who played my husband, had lots of nieces and nephews and had a ton of experience under his belt. So he was actually like showing me before we were on camera, like showing me with these sweet babies, how to do all of that, which, which came in handy just a few years later when I had my own kids. But yeah, I didn't know anything.

• 31:16Kylie Kelce?

  Don't, don't feel bad about that because I had changed a diaper, but I learned from my maternity nurse, how to swaddle.

• 31:24Speaker 04

  I still don't know how to swaddle.

• 31:25Kylie Kelce?

  I'm gonna, I, the minute we leave the hospital, I'm like, don't, don't be a swaddle kid. Cause if you are a swaddle kid, I'm gonna have to take you back there at least three times a day to get it done right.

• 31:36Speaker 04

  They're so quick, right? And postpartum, they're just like.

• 31:40Kylie Kelce?

  They're so good. And then all of a sudden, they hand you this little baby burrito and you're like, how am I supposed to recreate that? They never get loose from theirs. Every single time I do it, their hands end up here.

• 31:51Speaker 04

  Oh yeah. They just like managed to find a little hand out. I know. I know. All of my babies were like Pudinis. They could always manage to get out of a swaddle. So, and I never really learned. And so then I quickly transitioned into sort of like the Velcro ones.

• 32:05Kylie Kelce?

  Yup. Oh yeah.

• 32:07Speaker 04

  I'd say like a top tip for moms, like you get the Velcro swaddles.

• 32:11Kylie Kelce?

  That's it. There's a reason why that market has boomed. It's because

• 32:15Speaker 04

  Correct.

• 32:16Kylie Kelce?

  No one, besides a labor and delivery nurse, can really swaddle a baby and keep them in.

• 32:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 32:23Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah. You know?

• 32:25Speaker 04

  I'm with you.

• 32:25Kylie Kelce?

  I bet, I bet you it was a labor and delivery nurse that was like, you know, who needs this? And they're the moms who's, right? They're like, they're, this is a business. They knew.

• 32:34Speaker 04

  Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

• 32:36Kylie Kelce?

  I'd love to talk about motherhood with you some more. I always tell people, my hardest transition, I believe, was no kids to one kid.

• 32:43Speaker 04

  Correct.

• 32:45Kylie Kelce?

  Is that, do you feel similarly? Or do you have a transition like was two to three crazy for you guys?

• 32:50Speaker 04

  No, no. I mean, sure. Yes, absolutely.

• 32:53Kylie Kelce?

  Right. You add another human. Sure.

• 32:55Speaker 04

  Somebody said, somebody was like, how is it going from two to three? And then I'm sure you've heard this before. It's like drowning and someone throwing you a baby. Um, yeah, you're, you're

• 33:06Kylie Kelce?

  That's accurate.

• 33:06Speaker 04

  You're absolutely overwhelmed, but I agree with you that zero to one was by far the hardest transition. You just don't know what you don't know.

• 33:15Kylie Kelce?

  Nothing.

• 33:15Speaker 04

  At least like from two to, to what, uh, one to two, and then two to three, you're like, okay, like I have a vague understanding of what to look out for. I'm not as stressed. I'm a little bit more confident in like what I'm bringing to the table. But yeah, zero to one is just like, your life is just blown up.

• 33:34Kylie Kelce?

  I also say they can smell fear.

• 33:36Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 33:36Kylie Kelce?

  So like the first time around, I swear they like, like our first was so sweet with my mom. Cause my mom was confident.

• 33:43Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 33:44Kylie Kelce?

  And then she would hand her back to me and I'm like, ah, why is he yelling?

• 33:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. No, absolutely. I, I love the adage calm is contagious because babies do really pick up on that. I think you're right. They smell fear and, and they, um, recognize confidence. So like trying to go in with like that calm, confident air is obviously going to be the most helpful.

• 34:06Kylie Kelce?

  And you, your third, you had at 40, is that right?

• 34:10Speaker 04

  Uh, uh, uh, yes, yes. I was like, wait, yes. I just turned 41 in April. So yes, I had her at 40.

• 34:18Kylie Kelce?

  Did you get a lot of opinions on that?

• 34:21Speaker 04

  Um, yes and no. I mean, I feel like, you know, having my, my third child at 40, um, you know, and this term geriatric pregnancy that's thrown around, uh, I think there, at least in my experience, so many of my friends are having kids later in life and it's, you know, whether it's by choice or it's by circumstance or biology, um, I I think the thing that I had the most trouble with is just like this system in general, kind of treating us as this anomaly that we're like too old and we're too complicated or high risk. And really, it's like, no, we're just human beings. And I feel like it's just such an outdated label. So it's less about how I think the people and the perceptions

• 35:03Speaker 04

  they may have had, like the people in my life, it was just more about the healthcare system in general, just it feels, it feels like such an outdated, one size fits all approach when it comes to just women in general. I don't know if you, you're, you're younger, obviously, but just if you felt that experience at all.

• 35:21Kylie Kelce?

  No, I do think that it's, it's, we've, we've felt, we have fallen so short when it comes to women's health in so many aspects. But it really is, I do think part of that is the idea that it is one size fits all, that everyone is sort of going to be put in the same track. And if you stray from that track at all, that there's, there's very little correction.

• 35:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 35:45Kylie Kelce?

  Because they just assume that you're, oh, well, if, if you're not this on the track, then it's, you're like severely off.

• 35:53Speaker 04

  Of course. And like, I think the fact that we make up 50% of the population, we give birth to the entire population. And I, I've really, I think, you know, becoming a mom and going through three pregnancies now, it's like, our, just women in general and our health are such, it's such an afterthought. And our bodies are treated as such an afterthought. And I actually partnered with this company, Parallel, last year when I was pregnant with Lou. And I love that there are these companies like Parallel that are really focused on rewriting the rules of what it like, it looks like to care for women and advocating for, really for funding of women's health. Because

• 36:37Speaker 04

  I think in from 2013 to 2023, just 8% of the NIH funding went towards the study of women's health. Just 8%, like it's crazy. So really, it's just about, you know, acknowledging that we're not invisible and we're doing such an important job out there for the world in general.

• 37:00Kylie Kelce?

  And Parallel has a petition on change.org backslash close the gap. We will put it on the screen for our viewers and in the description. And then also, we will put it on our social media to help get more research funding women's health.

• 37:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's all it's about. We're just trying to get signatures so we can lobby Congress to to include women in their research. That's all.

• 37:23Kylie Kelce?

  To do better.

• 37:25Speaker 04

  To do better, please, for all of us.

• 37:28Kylie Kelce?

  Dear God, you wouldn't be here without a woman. Thank you.

• 37:31Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 37:34Kylie Kelce?

  Well, back to parenting. I also like to share some of the more honest or humbling things my girls have said to me. I've been told that I have a big butt. My oldest called me evil a couple of weeks ago. Yesterday, specifically, she pressed on my stomach and said, it looks like you still have a baby in there.

• 37:55Speaker 04

  Lovely.

• 37:56Kylie Kelce?

  Very sweet, very sweet. Is there anything that your kids have said to you that has sort of been like a, oh, there is that honesty?

• 38:06Speaker 04

  Um, you know, I have, I have boys and they already know how to butter me up and like hold my face in their hands and say, Mama, I love you. Mama, you're so beautiful, which I will, you know, like, there's nothing that means more than that. But I think they equally know, well, not the two and a half year old yet. But the four year old the other day told me that he didn't love me anymore. Which is just like, oh my gosh, it's truly the most gutting thing I think that could possibly, it yeah, it's it oh, it's it it hurt me to my core.

• 38:42Kylie Kelce?

  I have been hit quite a few times with the, I don't love you. And I always, I always get them back with, well, I love you with my whole heart.

• 38:50Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:50Kylie Kelce?

  Uh, and one of these days, I just think it's gonna, we're gonna stop saying that. But my oldest says it because she did get a reaction. The one time I was like, oh, and I think she was like, oh, that

• 39:03Speaker 04

  That works.

• 39:04Kylie Kelce?

  That that gotcha.

• 39:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:06Kylie Kelce?

  My second has only said it a couple of times. And every time she says it, she immediately retracts. She'll be like, I don't love you. I love you. I'm sorry. I didn't mean that. And I'm like, you didn't even finish it. You didn't even put a period on the first sentence before you started the next one. She can't, she's too, it's too sweet, that one. Um, the last thing I would love to do, I would love to do a game.

• 39:29Speaker 04

  Oh, sure.

• 39:30Kylie Kelce?

  Um, I was doom scrolling, like I've said, in preparation for this conversation. One of the things that I found was an article from 17 magazine from 2003.

• 39:38Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 39:39Kylie Kelce?

  Uh, 60 things I want to do before I'm 30. Do you remember making this list at all?

• 39:44Speaker 04

  I do not.

• 39:46Kylie Kelce?

  Oh, that makes this even better.

• 39:49Speaker 04

  Okay, great. I wonder what ridiculousness is on there.

• 39:53Kylie Kelce?

  Have you shaved your head?

• 39:56Speaker 04

  No. Why was that on my list? No, I have not shaved my head. And I, I dare I say that it would not make it on my list these days.

• 40:05Kylie Kelce?

  Perfect.

• 40:06Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 40:06Kylie Kelce?

  Uh, have you worked on a farm for a day?

• 40:09Speaker 04

  I have not.

• 40:11Kylie Kelce?

  Would you still want to do?

• 40:12Speaker 04

  Sure. Yeah, that sounds fun. I feel like that would be a fun activity with the kids, too.

• 40:17Kylie Kelce?

  Did someone make this list for you?

• 40:20Speaker 04

  Kylie, they very well might, may have.

• 40:22Kylie Kelce?

  It's, it's.

• 40:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's, it's, it's random. Okay.

• 40:25Kylie Kelce?

  Uh, climb Mount Kilimanjaro.

• 40:28Speaker 04

  That I have done.

• 40:29Kylie Kelce?

  Yep.

• 40:29Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 40:30Kylie Kelce?

  Uh, my husband has also done it.

• 40:31Speaker 04

  He has?

• 40:32Kylie Kelce?

  That, yes. Um, he did it with, uh, Chris Long, uh, a fellow NFL player, does it for his foundation, Water Boys.

• 40:42Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 40:43Kylie Kelce?

  And they bring water to different places that are currently without clean water. So.

• 40:49Speaker 04

  That is incredible.

• 40:50Kylie Kelce?

  Um, the next one is take a vacation alone.

• 40:55Speaker 04

  I don't think I ever did take a vacation alone.

• 41:00Kylie Kelce?

  Okay.

• 41:00Speaker 04

  I don't, I don't know if that's something that is in the cards for me now. I'm not sure that's something I want. Like if I'm gonna have any free time whatsoever, like I would love to go with my husband or I'd love to go on a girl's trip. Um, so yeah, I think that's, I think that was like a fond, um, exciting thought maybe for a, an eighteen year old, but doesn't really fit into my life anymore.

• 41:27Kylie Kelce?

  I feel like at eighteen, it's a sign of independence.

• 41:30Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 41:30Kylie Kelce?

  And confidence.

• 41:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:32Kylie Kelce?

  But now it's like, I don't need to validate that. So let's, let's go on a couple's trip.

• 41:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly, exactly. Let me honor myself by like having a mom and dad trip.

• 41:42Kylie Kelce?

  That's it.

• 41:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:43Kylie Kelce?

  Um, the next one is get a tattoo.

• 41:45Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. I, I have a couple. I have, I have a little T for my husband on my ring finger. I have the outline of Mount Kilimanjaro on my foot.

• 41:55Kylie Kelce?

  There you go.

• 41:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, I have a little heart on my toe. I have very like tiny little tattoos, but I've actually been thinking I'd love to get like my kids initials or something, somewhere, but um, I'm not sure where or how or when, but that's something that I think is in the cards at some point soon.

• 42:15Kylie Kelce?

  I love, I do not. I love especially the dainty tattoos.

• 42:20Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 42:21Kylie Kelce?

  Um, like the fine line, I think they're called, but I just, I don't know that there's anything that I'm like, I would want that forever.

• 42:32Speaker 04

  I understand. Yep, totally.

• 42:34Kylie Kelce?

  It's like, I think it's more of a commitment thing than it is like a tattoo thing. Cause I love, I, I can't tell. I've seen so many. I'll send some to my sister all the time and be like, we should get sister tattoos.

• 42:46Speaker 04

  Ah.

• 42:47Kylie Kelce?

  We have not.

• 42:49Speaker 04

  It's the thought that counts.

• 42:51Kylie Kelce?

  There's time.

• 42:52Speaker 04

  The plans.

• 42:52Kylie Kelce?

  There is time.

• 42:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly.

• 42:53Kylie Kelce?

  Because life doesn't end at 30. We're still going, people, okay?

• 42:56Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 42:57Kylie Kelce?

  Uh, put a message in a bottle and throw it out to see. That's so specific.

• 43:02Speaker 04

  It's so specific. Um, no, I never did that. These are so, so ridiculous.

• 43:08Kylie Kelce?

  Uh, throw a fancy dinner party.

• 43:10Speaker 04

  No, but I'm going to.

• 43:13Kylie Kelce?

  Mm hmm.

• 43:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 43:14Kylie Kelce?

  With like a table scape and everything?

• 43:15Speaker 04

  Absolutely. Like

• 43:17Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 43:17Speaker 04

  place cards. Um, like, yeah, I'm gonna do, I'm, I'm, I, that's, that's in my future. I'm a terrible host. I'm a very nervous host, too. Like, it doesn't come naturally to me. I have friends who just, like, can whip together, like, a hang and invite people over and cook something and it, to me, it's like, I, there has to be meticulous planning for, for like, a holiday and I'm, I'm just like terrible because my, I'm distracted with like, making sure everybody's having a good time and like, cleaning up as, as dinner's unfolding and I'm, yeah, I'm, I'm really awful at that.

• 43:52Kylie Kelce?

  I think I'm awful at the idea of a dinner party because I like to call ourself a help yourself house. So like

• 43:58Speaker 04

  That's great.

• 43:58Kylie Kelce?

  I'm, I will, like, I would love to remember to offer you, like, drinks, but also the cups are right there and everything's in the fridge. I don't know.

• 44:08Speaker 04

  I love that, though.

• 44:09Kylie Kelce?

  Literally every, you're welcome to anything in here. Grab snacks, get yourself a plate, steal any, like, take anything out of the fridge. I don't care.

• 44:17Speaker 04

  I'm a big fan of that ethos. Like, our home is your home.

• 44:20Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 44:21Speaker 04

  Help yourself. You're, you're welcome to anything. I love that.

• 44:24Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 44:24Speaker 04

  And then it just like completely alleviates all of the pressure.

• 44:27Kylie Kelce?

  Yes, but I also, the idea of having like a full table scape and the name cards and

• 44:32Speaker 04

  Just once, just once to me to like, check that off the list. Yeah.

• 44:35Kylie Kelce?

  Perfect.

• 44:35Speaker 04

  It'll make me feel very adult.

• 44:37Kylie Kelce?

  I would agree with that. I would love to know if you actually wrote this one. See a ghost.

• 44:46Kylie Kelce?

  Oh my goodness.

• 44:47Speaker 04

  That does feel like very Mandy coded in 2003. Yeah, I don't think I have seen a ghost.

• 44:55Kylie Kelce?

  I feel like you would know that. The last one is "Visit Space."

• 45:01Speaker 04

  I'm good. I'm good.

• 45:03Kylie Kelce?

  I was just gonna say, you might have just missed your opportunity.

• 45:07Speaker 04

  I think I'm okay. I think I dodged a bullet there. No, I'm good. I, um, yeah, that's not something that I aspire to anymore. Wow, 2003. I would like to know if, I certainly recognize some of my own wishes with having a family and the Kilimanjaro of it all and tattoo, but some of these feel a little farfetched. So I'm gonna blame that on some other folks writing some of these for me. Sixties a lot. Sixty different like goals before 30. Somebody had to fill in the gaps there.

• 45:39Kylie Kelce?

  Thank you so much for joining me today.

• 45:42Speaker 04

  Thank you. This was such a blast.

• 45:44Kylie Kelce?

  It's such a pleasure to talk to you and I always say I have no business getting to talk to the people that I talk to, but I am so appreciative that you took the time today.

• 45:53Speaker 04

  Oh my gosh, I feel the same way. I don't know what I'm doing, but I'm grateful for the conversation and to connect with, you know, fellow moms and you're a total badass. And thanks for chatting with me.

• 46:04Kylie Kelce?

  Thank you. And we will make sure that we include the information for parallel. Make sure that we have the petition up and that we get some signatures on there because of course we need to.

• 46:15Speaker 04

  We're trying to get to 50,000. So let's, let's do that. It seems like a pretty easy goal.

• 46:20Kylie Kelce?

  That is attainable for sure.

• 46:21Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 46:22Kylie Kelce?

  Thank you so, so much.

• 46:24Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 46:25Kylie Kelce?

  And that's a wrap on another episode of Not Gonna Lie. You can find even more clips from my longer conversation with Mandy Moore on my YouTube channel on More Shit Monday. I'll be back next Thursday with a brand new episode. Follow Not Gonna Lie on all social media, at NGLwithKylie. Listen and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Get your official NGL merch at NGLKylie.com. Not Gonna Lie is a Wave original. Thanks to the real ones for tuning in.

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