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0:32 Speaker 01 Imagine me in a pool, naked in a movie, and I'm St. John for a little bit. It's just like not, so like, that's where my acting's at right now.
0:49 Drew Afualo? Hey, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the Comment Section Show, starring me, your fave, everybody knows me, who cares about me. Onto the guest, but first, before we get to the guest, this is a new set. Nobody freak out, I still have the comment section mugs. It's kind of like when you change crates for your dog and you put one of their stuffed animals in there so they're not afraid. So don't be afraid, because we are in New York City, and we are filming with a very funny, very hilarious, very talented New York person himself, the one and only Zachariah Porter.
1:21 Speaker 01 We're in the world's largest dog crate.
1:24 Drew Afualo? This is my dog crate, welcome.
1:26 Speaker 01 Woof, woof, I'm so happy to be here.
1:27 Drew Afualo? Oh, my gosh.
1:28 Speaker 01 No idea, I've been texting everybody I know, just like bringing it up. Just like, I want to meet with Drew, and Drew, I'm like, you know the Drew.
1:33 Drew Afualo? You know.
1:34 Speaker 01 I actually brought you up to the guy at the bagel shop today.
1:38 Drew Afualo? At the bagel shop?
1:39 Speaker 01 I was making small talk.
1:40 Drew Afualo? Okay.
1:40 Speaker 01 Bagel Pub up the street, he was like, oh, how's your day going? I'm like, great, he's like, oh, you got work? I was like, yeah, I'm filming a podcast. He's obviously fishing. So I'm like, yeah.
1:49 Drew Afualo? Obviously, he's so, he's so nosy, he needs to know.
1:51 Speaker 01 I know, I told him it was you, and he was really excited.
1:53 Drew Afualo? Really?
1:54 Speaker 01 Yeah, shout out Bagel Pub, door code 12345 for the bathroom.
1:58 Drew Afualo? Shouts out Bagel Pub.
1:59 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:59 Drew Afualo? I'm glad to hear you're a fan.
2:01 Speaker 01 Thank you for having me, seriously.
2:02 Drew Afualo? Oh, my gosh, I'm so happy to have you. I'm excited we finally got to meet up. We were supposed to meet in LA, but thankfully, I came to New York, and we can make it happen.
2:08 Speaker 01 Yeah, you're on your East Coast journey right now.
2:10 Drew Afualo? Right.
2:10 Speaker 01 Are you loving it?
2:11 Drew Afualo? Yeah.
2:12 Speaker 01 Oh, you don't like East Coast?
2:14 Drew Afualo? No, I'm kidding. I, I don't mind the East Coast. It's grown on me.
2:18 Speaker 01 You give West Coast girl energy.
2:19 Drew Afualo? Yeah. Which is strange because when I first blew up on TikTok, I had a lot of people say that they were shocked because they thought I might be from the East Coast. And I said, that's just because I'm a bitch.
2:28 Speaker 01 It's the attitude problem.
2:29 Drew Afualo? That's different.
2:30 Speaker 01 It is.
2:30 Drew Afualo? It's because I'm mean.
2:31 Speaker 01 Yeah, well, I think people on the East Coast, that's why I like it here so much. Everyone just says how they feel and it
2:35 Drew Afualo? I agree.
2:36 Speaker 01 Kind of comes off a little rude sometimes, but like, you know what you're gonna get every time.
2:39 Drew Afualo? I'm cool with that. Like, upfront energy.
2:42 Speaker 01 You blend in then.
2:43 Drew Afualo? Right. I think what I hate is the cold. It's freezing over here, mama.
2:47 Speaker 01 I am the sweatiest person to ever walk the face of the earth. So I need a reset. I almost had a fan today on the subway. I was like, relax. Just kind of like settle in for a minute.
2:56 Drew Afualo? Yeah, the weather here is horrible. There's like, you guys have like three weeks where it's awesome.
3:01 Speaker 01 Yeah.
3:02 Drew Afualo? And then every other, it's either too cold or too fucking hot. It's like those three glorious weeks, though.
3:07 Speaker 01 Yeah.
3:07 Drew Afualo? They're really nice.
3:08 Speaker 01 I was in a, I was in a wedding this October in Dominican Republic.
3:11 Drew Afualo? Ooh.
3:12 Speaker 01 It was hell on earth for me.
3:13 Drew Afualo? Yeah.
3:13 Speaker 01 The moisture in the air.
3:15 Drew Afualo? Well, I love a humid heat. You don't like, oh, you don't like heat at all?
3:17 Speaker 01 I was in the wedding in khaki pants. We're walking down the aisle. I'm like, why is my shit wet? I said, oh my god, my, my shins are sweating right now.
3:26 Drew Afualo? You turn around and you sweat through your shirt?
3:27 Speaker 01 I did. Some of the girls are, oh my god, some of the, actually, I was okay. I, I was the one who brought a fan. Because I'm like a sweaty guy, so I knew everyone's passing my fan around. I ended up making it through. They edited the fuck out of those photos. We were
3:37 Drew Afualo? Damn. You said, get me in post.
3:39 Speaker 01 Yeah, they did. And he did.
3:40 Drew Afualo? Get me in post.
3:41 Speaker 01 And he did. He got you good.
3:43 Drew Afualo? I'm glad you didn't ever, I'm happy to hear you're a sweaty girl. So am I.
3:46 Speaker 01 Yeah.
3:46 Drew Afualo? And nobody sweats in this industry.
3:48 Speaker 01 Well, yeah, I'm on medication for it now.
3:50 Drew Afualo? Are you really?
3:51 Speaker 01 Seriously, I had to be because I get, it's the anxiety.
3:54 Drew Afualo? They're like, you need a pill.
3:55 Speaker 01 So it's called propenol, though that's literally not the right word at all. It's for like anxiety inducing, so it like, it relaxes your heart rate. I do it before I go on stage. So it like, it, it doesn't stop your anxiety, but like the physical manifestations of anxiety, like heart racing, sweatiness, it kind of sets you.
4:12 Drew Afualo? Is that why you sweat?
4:13 Speaker 01 Well.
4:13 Drew Afualo? When you're nervous?
4:14 Speaker 01 I think it makes it worse.
4:15 Drew Afualo? Oh, that's
4:16 Speaker 01 I'm not nervous today, though.
4:17 Drew Afualo? Clearly, dry as a bone, as you can see.
4:21 Drew Afualo? I sweat, I feel like I sweat just because I'm a big bitch. Like, I just, I'm a, I carry a wide load.
4:27 Speaker 01 Hey, me too.
4:27 Drew Afualo? I'm carrying a heavy load, you know what I mean?
4:29 Speaker 01 I was actually skinny. So when, when TikTok was going down, I was downloading all my videos and I'm like, "Damn, I was looking really good in 2021. I gotta, I gotta flip it back real quick. Jeez, I got in a relationship. That's what happened."
4:42 Drew Afualo? I think you look fantastic.
4:43 Speaker 01 Well, thank you.
4:43 Drew Afualo? Yeah. I think you look fantastic. Speaking of TikTok, though.
4:46 Speaker 01 Yeah.
4:46 Drew Afualo? I do want to talk about your rise on TikTok. Well, first, when you first joined, what was your goal? Was it just to do silly stuff? Was it to be a voyeur? I love to ask.
4:55 Speaker 01 I was low-key on TikTok for so long before the pandemic.
4:59 Drew Afualo? Really?
5:00 Speaker 01 Because nobody was on it. I was on-
5:02 Drew Afualo? When it was musically?
5:03 Speaker 01 Well, it was right when TikTok switched over. It was 2019.
5:06 Drew Afualo? Gotcha.
5:06 Speaker 01 I had a shut throat and I downloaded it. So the whole year of 2019, I was making videos because nobody knew about it and it was like my little outlet.
5:12 Drew Afualo? Tea.
5:13 Speaker 01 Because I went to school for marketing, hated it. I was always getting fired, like fired left and right for my attitude. And then I quit a job, um, and I was just working like restaurants. I love restaurant work, but I needed like another outlet and then-
5:26 Drew Afualo? Like customer service?
5:27 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah.
5:28 Drew Afualo? That's tea. You love customer service, but you're getting fired for attitude in marketing?
5:31 Speaker 01 Well, I, I like when you're a server, you're your own boss. I don't want to work today. I give up my shift. I'm sick. I want to do a double. I'm going to make $400.
5:37 Drew Afualo? That's a really interesting way of looking at serving.
5:40 Speaker 01 And, yeah, and also like you're tipped on your personality. Like, as long as you're organized and you are like funny.
5:46 Drew Afualo? Tea.
5:46 Speaker 01 You're being paid that way. But when I worked for like a nonprofit, I'm like doing like mule work, like awful, awful work.
5:53 Drew Afualo? I love how you're, you're working a set while you're serving. You're like, it's really about personality and it's about attentiveness, sure, but mostly jokes.
6:02 Speaker 01 I'm, exactly. I'm, I'm testing material.
6:04 Drew Afualo? While you're serving.
6:05 Speaker 01 And then that inspired so much of my content. It's just like working with the craziest people. But, uh, yeah, so when COVID happened, I already had like 200,000 followers.
6:12 Drew Afualo? Okay, tea.
6:13 Speaker 01 So it kind of just like skyrocketed me.
6:15 Drew Afualo? Love.
6:16 Speaker 01 And, uh, I've been doing content now, like, I think I'm at like year seven.
6:21 Speaker 01 It's kind of gross. Take a break.
6:23 Drew Afualo? You know what's funny? I didn't download TikTok until, I think 2020 is when I downloaded it. Because everybody was on it at that time. The pandemic had started and everyone was joining rapidly. I just remembered recently, though, the reason why I initially had TikTok was because I used to have Musically, because my college friends and I used to like to find people from high school who were making Musically. We just thought it was fun, so I would go and look. And then I never really used it. And then I saw, you know how sometimes they'll say like, oh, people in your contacts are on here or whatever? I saw one of my cousins was on there, so I went and I creeped on her. And she was doing bad shit on there. Hold on her.
7:02 Speaker 01 Was she younger or older?
7:03 Drew Afualo? She's younger than me.
7:03 Speaker 01 Oh, you're a narc?
7:05 Drew Afualo? She's like, I was such a narc. I was such a fucking narc. But that's because she's like a baby to me. She's just my brother.
7:09 Speaker 01 Yeah.
7:10 Drew Afualo? My brother is like nine years younger than me, so I was like, oh, I'm telling your dad.
7:15 Speaker 01 No, I get it. My niece is a freshman right now and some of the stuff that she even wears, I'm like, oh my god. They're just, they grow up so fast.
7:23 Drew Afualo? Oh, time really flies. But no, no, we age backwards.
7:26 Speaker 01 No, yeah. Frozen in time. Here we come.
7:28 Drew Afualo? We were just talking about how we're both 95 babies.
7:31 Speaker 01 Yeah, I'm 30 next week.
7:32 Drew Afualo? How are you feeling?
7:34 Speaker 01 I have never been more excited in my life.
7:35 Drew Afualo? Me too.
7:37 Speaker 01 I was never a 20-year-old.
7:39 Drew Afualo? Me either.
7:40 Speaker 01 I remember going to the bar when I was 24 years old and giving my ID and he said, no, we only card if you look under 30. I said, oh, actually, I'm going to cry in the car right now.
7:47 Drew Afualo? You said that's really fucking mean.
7:48 Speaker 01 That's, I was like, I had this like weird like frosted tip moment. I was growing up my blonde, so there was a lot of identity crisis going on at that moment.
7:54 Drew Afualo? You said part of that might have been on me, but still.
7:57 Speaker 01 The lighting, the lighting was, it was harsh. She had a flashlight or something. No, but I think 30, I'm excited for it.
8:03 Drew Afualo? Me too.
8:04 Speaker 01 I think it's gonna be, I know who I am now.
8:06 Drew Afualo? Same. And I feel like I would rather just be 30 than be like late 20s.
8:12 Speaker 01 It's embarrassing now.
8:13 Drew Afualo? 29, yeah, I'm 29. It's embarrassing. Yeah, I'm like, it feels like I'm like hanging on to my 20s. I could, I can't wait to be 30. I think it's way better.
8:23 Speaker 01 Well, then it resets. Cause now, well, now I'm 30. I'm not 39.
8:25 Drew Afualo? Right, yeah. Now I'm 30 and I'm like, I'm young in my 30s.
8:30 Speaker 01 That's how, I'm looking at it too.
8:31 Drew Afualo? Yeah.
8:32 Speaker 01 I'm no, I'm super, I'm super excited.
8:33 Drew Afualo? I feel like we're a lot alike in that like mentally old. I've been mentally old forever.
8:38 Speaker 01 Yeah, I don't even identify with some of this, the news, with some of the news stuff. It's really got me for a loop. Um, no, and like my audience, everyone that watches me is pretty much in their 30s and 40s.
8:49 Drew Afualo? Same.
8:49 Speaker 01 I grew, and the same thing, I was working in restaurants. I was like going to the bar with like 40 year old women when I was 21. And I was like, oh, this is my sis right here. I love this girl.
8:59 Drew Afualo? That's my sister.
9:00 Speaker 01 No, so I think I just am ready for that kind of next chapter.
9:04 Drew Afualo? I love that.
9:04 Speaker 01 My boyfriend, he's 31.
9:06 Drew Afualo? Okay, T.
9:07 Speaker 01 He's been, he's been marinating in it for a while.
9:09 Drew Afualo? I know, my fiance's 30. He turned 30 last year, so he's gonna be 31 this year.
9:13 Speaker 01 Okay.
9:13 Drew Afualo? Yeah, so he's, I think he was excited too. I'm excited to be 30. I feel like, and also too, I think about how like, when you were 20, 21.
9:22 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm.
9:22 Drew Afualo? Oh, the world, you're in the middle of a twister. Everything is awful.
9:26 Speaker 01 I think 23 was so harsh for me because I was a year out of college, like literally had no idea what I was doing. And the self doubt and like the negativity on yourself.
9:36 Drew Afualo? Right.
9:36 Speaker 01 At this point, I'm like, I know what I'm doing.
9:37 Drew Afualo? And you have no money.
9:38 Speaker 01 No.
9:39 Drew Afualo? Yeah, no sense of like direction really.
9:42 Speaker 01 Yeah.
9:42 Drew Afualo? I know where, um, my brother-in-law, my, my fiance's younger brother, I think he's 24, gonna be 25. But I remember a couple of years ago, he like called us and he was asking us for like tips on how to make something. And we were like, what are you making? And he was like, oh, I'm going to a party and it's a potluck. And I'm like, what 23 year old is going to a potluck party?
10:03 Speaker 01 I know.
10:03 Drew Afualo? If you're not just in a potluck, I mean, one handle of alcohol when I'm 23, you know what I'm saying?
10:08 Speaker 01 What a wholesome friend girl.
10:09 Drew Afualo? I know. I was like, what are y'all doing? You guys are making dishes and sharing them? That's what you do in your 30s?
10:15 Speaker 01 He's like, make sure I get that casserole back. It's like.
10:17 Drew Afualo? He's like, we're bored party, you know, girls don't do charcuterie board parties.
10:21 Speaker 01 So that remind, one time my, my, me and my siblings had a party like that and I was the youngest, so like, kind of like him in that moment. And I brought this like, uh, Asian noodle dish.
10:32 Drew Afualo? Okay.
10:33 Speaker 01 It's like, these like brown noodles.
10:35 Drew Afualo? Yeah.
10:35 Speaker 01 It looked, it didn't look great. And I was like, that age and I didn't want to lose a plate. So I put it on a paper plate.
10:41 Drew Afualo? Nice.
10:42 Speaker 01 And I bring it to the party and I was last to get my food when I got there. No one had grabbed my noodles at all. So we're like playing games after and I was like, I wanna go, I'm over it. Cause I slaved over these sesame noodles.
10:54 Drew Afualo? Taking these noodles with me, by the way.
10:56 Speaker 01 Leave the plate, it's paper anyways. I'm like.
10:58 Drew Afualo? Oh no.
10:59 Speaker 01 Yeah, so hopefully his dish was better than that.
11:02 Drew Afualo? I hope so too.
11:03 Speaker 01 Do you remember what it was?
11:04 Drew Afualo? He, I think he was asking us how to make spam musubis, which is like rice, seaweed, spam, and then like show you some of the protein. And um, he was asking us if he makes it in like a bake. He was like asking for tips on how to make it and that's what we were telling him. It's a really pretty hard dish to make.
11:21 Speaker 01 Yeah, he was trying to flex on it real quick.
11:23 Drew Afualo? Right, right. And he's white, so that's even more confusing.
11:25 Speaker 01 Yeah, well, please.
11:28 Drew Afualo? Yeah, he's like, I need to, I told them I could do it and I said. Well anyways, back to your TikTok career. I would love to know when you felt like it really took off for you. Like where you're kind of like, oh shit, like people are really finding me and think I'm funny and entertaining.
11:42 Speaker 01 I think that summer of 2020, I was like still working at the restaurant. And I was like giving me shifts because I was like just trying to like throw everything at it. And then I made my own merch and I, I ordered it myself. I, I ordered like a, I found a screen printer. I had eight hundred shirts sent to my house and I sold them in like 14 hours. And then for the next week, I packed every single t-shirt. And I was like, oh, I'm here, I'm hustling, this is gonna work. And then I quit the next day at my job. Um, cause I just sold eight hundred t-shirts. I was like, I'm floating for a minute. And uh, my boss was like, oh, like are you sure that this might be like a flash in the pan? She asked that to me and I was like, oh no, I'm gonna bet on myself right now. And she's coming to my show next month.
12:24 Drew Afualo? You're on, thankfully the flash is still there.
12:26 Speaker 01 Yeah, no, yeah. So I think in that moment, I was like, okay, like, yeah, that's the whole thing. I feel like anyone who wants to do this, there's like room for everybody.
12:33 Drew Afualo? I agree.
12:33 Speaker 01 You just gotta like want it.
12:35 Drew Afualo? I see the same thing. And I'm also like, I'm of the same mindset where I feel like if you are truly pure in intention and like why you wanna do it, like you wanna entertain, I think like it will work out for you if you stay the course. Now that we're so old and wis- and we have so much wisdom.
12:53 Speaker 01 It comes with age.
12:54 Drew Afualo? Yeah. You have something, something for them to look forward to. Um, I feel like we know too, that like, when you do it for the wrong reasons, like when you're doing it purely to like, get free shit or get invited to things.
13:06 Speaker 01 Yeah.
13:07 Drew Afualo? I think sometimes the universe withholds it from you.
13:09 Speaker 01 Yeah.
13:09 Drew Afualo? Like it's never gonna give it to you because you want it for the wrong reasons.
13:12 Speaker 01 Yes.
13:13 Drew Afualo? And also with everything that you go through to do this, like full time, I wouldn't say it's worth like an invite to a premiere. It really isn't, in my opinion.
13:22 Speaker 01 No.
13:22 Drew Afualo? Like not a singular one.
13:24 Speaker 01 Also, I hate stuff like that. Y'all wanna do that? It's not that fun sometimes, you guys.
13:29 Drew Afualo? It's really not.
13:30 Speaker 01 No plus one? Good luck.
13:31 Drew Afualo? Yeah.
13:31 Speaker 01 Make a friend.
13:33 Drew Afualo? I know, my team, I remember like last year, my team was like, how do we feel about trying to go to things by ourselves this time? This year. And I'm like,
13:40 Speaker 01 Vicious.
13:42 Drew Afualo? Cause sometimes it, it could be a really cool opportunity, but if they give me no plus one, I'll probably not go.
13:47 Speaker 01 I know.
13:47 Drew Afualo? Cause I was like, I know, I need at least one.
13:49 Speaker 01 I always need some. Or at least like give me the invite list. Do I know anybody on?
13:52 Drew Afualo? Yeah, yeah. So sometimes my team will ask that too, but like I've only done it a few times. Granted, those few times it did work out pretty well. So maybe they're on to something.
14:00 Speaker 01 I know, me too. I'm like, not be going home with an Uber. And I'm like, hey, that was fun.
14:04 Drew Afualo? Actually, had a great night.
14:06 Speaker 01 Yeah, but you said like, it's like, you have to get into it for like the love of, for me, it's a love of entertaining.
14:10 Drew Afualo? Right.
14:10 Speaker 01 I just love making people laugh.
14:12 Drew Afualo? Have you loved detention forever?
14:13 Speaker 01 Oh my god.
14:14 Drew Afualo? Me too.
14:15 Speaker 01 I could write a book.
14:17 Drew Afualo? And I did.
14:18 Speaker 01 Period, period.
14:20 Drew Afualo? On how much I needed attention.
14:22 Speaker 01 It's good. Yeah, it's, I'm unapologetic about it. Like I like,
14:25 Drew Afualo? Me too.
14:26 Speaker 01 That's what makes me happy. And I think in turn, we've made a lot of people happy, hopefully.
14:30 Drew Afualo? Yeah, yeah. Well, clearly it worked out and clearly it's, it's true for you. Did you, did you wanna do like acting or anything when you were younger?
14:36 Speaker 01 Yeah, I thought that was the only, that was, felt like it was the only way to be famous or do something. It was like, I didn't even know what a comedian was. I thought we just had to be actors.
14:44 Drew Afualo? Me too.
14:44 Speaker 01 And then I wanted to be Ryan Seacrest.
14:46 Drew Afualo? T.
14:47 Speaker 01 Yeah. And then I was like, yeah, that's kind of the, the way. And then I went to, I, I, um, applied to a couple of colleges for like, more like media focused stuff to be like a newscaster and it just didn't work out. And I let the dream go, but, like in high school, I was always a class clown. Like,
15:02 Drew Afualo? Love.
15:03 Speaker 01 Did you have like a, like a mister in your high school? Like the, oh, we had Mr. Dartmouth in my high school. It's like a, the male, beauty, like,
15:10 Drew Afualo? Oh, cute. Yeah, we had a Mr. Corona. Yeah.
15:13 Speaker 01 Yeah. So I did that. I won that.
15:16 Drew Afualo? The pageant?
15:16 Speaker 01 Yeah, I did. And I thought, because I was like, the first time I felt like I was like, oh, the first time I ever on a stage. Yeah. I like got like that kind of reaction for making people laugh. And I was like, oh, I'm gonna put this feeling away. So when I started doing TikTok, I remembered like, I can do this.
15:30 Drew Afualo? Right.
15:31 Speaker 01 Love this.
15:31 Drew Afualo? I love that.
15:32 Speaker 01 Yeah.
15:33 Drew Afualo? Yeah, we had a Mr. Corona pageant at my, I went to Corona High School. So like, they had one and it was like a full like, you had to do like a walk, you had to have like an evening wear, you had to have a talent.
15:44 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah.
15:45 Drew Afualo? I remember we went one year, me and my girlfriends went just for fun. It was a blast.
15:49 Speaker 01 It was?
15:50 Drew Afualo? Getting to watch men dance for attention. I love that.
15:53 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's what we were all doing.
15:53 Drew Afualo? Yeah.
15:54 Speaker 01 It was like me and all the jocks. It was like the one gay boy in the high school and then all the jocks.
15:58 Drew Afualo? Jocks? Mine was the opposite, all gay.
16:00 Speaker 01 Oh, no.
16:01 Drew Afualo? Like not one jock applied.
16:03 Speaker 01 It's like what the guys do. It's like, because it's real, bro. It's real funny.
16:07 Drew Afualo? So it's like Homecoming King?
16:08 Speaker 01 It kind of is. That's like what they did. So like, my talent was, yeah, you remember like Thrift Shop Macklemore? It was that. I danced that. That was a moment.
16:18 Drew Afualo? You danced to it?
16:19 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah. Choreographed, full choreographed. I sang and I danced. Does anyone remember this, this song, New Shoes by Paolo Nutini?
16:27 Drew Afualo? Uh.
16:28 Speaker 01 I put some new.
16:28 Drew Afualo? Yes, yes.
16:32 Drew Afualo? You sang that?
16:33 Speaker 01 Yeah.
16:33 Drew Afualo? Are you a good singer?
16:34 Speaker 01 No. I'm not a bad singer. I kind of hit that middle.
16:38 Drew Afualo? For fun?
16:38 Speaker 01 Yeah. Oh, I sing a lot of time.
16:39 Drew Afualo? For the love of the game?
16:41 Speaker 01 For the love of the game.
16:43 Drew Afualo? You know what's so funny? The guy who won when I went, I remember he sang, he sang that song that Hercules sings.
16:50 Speaker 01 I can go the distance?
16:51 Drew Afualo? Yeah, I can go the distance. That's what it is. Yeah, he sang that and I was so moved. I was like, wow.
16:55 Speaker 01 Was he gay?
16:56 Drew Afualo? Yes.
16:56 Speaker 01 He won the distance?
16:57 Drew Afualo? Yes, of course.
16:57 Speaker 01 Yeah, they're doing the live action. Did you see that?
16:59 Drew Afualo? I did see that.
17:00 Speaker 01 The guy who's playing Hercules is.
17:03 Drew Afualo? Who is it?
17:03 Speaker 01 I couldn't tell you.
17:06 Drew Afualo? Name. I don't know a name.
17:08 Speaker 01 I could pick him up from a chess, like a chess photo, because his pecs are like.
17:11 Drew Afualo? Yeah, if I saw tits, I could identify him immediately, immediately. You know, I, I'm so interested. I can't, I can't sing at all. You can sing?
17:21 Speaker 01 Can you hang on a little zoom?
17:23 Drew Afualo? I always say, I'm not tone deaf, but I can't sing. Because I feel like, for me, I guess in my head, I'm always like, well, I can't sing like Ariana Grande, so clearly I can't sing.
17:31 Speaker 01 There's gotta be a middle.
17:32 Drew Afualo? I know, but that's what I think. I think I think in extremes like that, because I'm like, I think when God was making me, he was like, that bitch is funny and that's it. Send her down.
17:40 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
17:41 Drew Afualo? She gets nothing else.
17:42 Speaker 01 Um, do you ever think, do you ever notice that a lot of like really funny people online are also like really talented? Like Britney is such a, like a talented singer, but there's a bunch of people.
17:50 Drew Afualo? I'm pissed off.
17:51 Speaker 01 I know.
17:51 Drew Afualo? That's why I said, oh, everybody got funny and singing except me.
17:55 Speaker 01 Yeah, I'm a Q though. Okay.
17:58 Drew Afualo? Yeah.
17:58 Speaker 01 But I'm made up. Just, just start saying that proud, like you can sing. Because the people who can't sing, they really can't sing. And that's like, or the people who can't like clap or like dance a little bit, like.
18:09 Drew Afualo? Right.
18:09 Speaker 01 Find the rhythm.
18:10 Drew Afualo? Right, right, right. I, I, you know what? I've said too, I'm like, I was making this joke to my sister. You know how sometimes TikTokers, they want you to know they can sing? But that's not what they're known for. And this is no, you know, shade. That's just not what they're known for. And then they'll post like a 15 second clip of them doing a riff or something. And then they'll be like, I don't know, draft, uh, you know what I'm saying? And then people will be like, oh my God, you can sing? And then after that, they'll start like posting shit like they can sing. And I'm like, am I a hater? Probably. But if I found out I could sing, watch me do it too.
18:42 Speaker 01 But like, whatever happened to like being funny is enough? I think the gateway is a joke.
18:47 Drew Afualo? I have to be, I have to be a Swiss Army knife now.
18:49 Speaker 01 Well, now it's like, you're so funny, but now you want to pivot to music? Relax. Like, you can't do it all. Like, you're being selfish.
18:55 Drew Afualo? Fuck you guys. I'm pissed off. That's why I think I'm gonna lean, I'm leaning towards acting this year. That's my, my goal this year.
19:02 Speaker 01 T, okay, wait.
19:03 Drew Afualo? Are you? Let's talk about it. I would love to.
19:06 Speaker 01 So I just, so my agency, they've been like, they've assigned me a couple scripts. But it's never like a role that makes sense for me. I don't even know if I can speak about this and I don't care because I'm not gonna get it. I got an audition for a Jennifer Lopez Netflix movie.
19:20 Drew Afualo? Ooh.
19:21 Speaker 01 But the role they.
19:22 Drew Afualo? Mi Hente.
19:22 Speaker 01 The role they just asked me to read for two parts. One was like this like kind of goofy office guy, whatever, whatever. He's like funny. I was like, I can read this straight. Damn it, but I'll try.
19:31 Drew Afualo? Okay.
19:32 Speaker 01 Next guy. Not him being like the seducer of the office. In one scene, he's like in a pool and he's trying to get the main character, which I'm assuming is Jennifer Lopez, to get in the pool and I'm supposed to be naked. And I literally called them, I was like, guys, and they'll always be like, it's for experience. Like, you just gotta keep trying. And I'm like, this is a waste of my time. Like, can you imagine me in a pool, naked in a movie? And I'm seducing Jennifer Lopez.
19:57 Speaker 01 It's just like not, so like, that's where my acting's at right now. I'm reading there.
20:02 Drew Afualo? If anything, if I were you, I would take that as a comp, the highest of compliments. They think your body's tea. You're, oh, so I'm nothing but a piece of meat to you guys? You guys are just gonna slut me out like that?
20:14 Speaker 01 Yeah, honestly, if I, I wish my body was like that. They could slut me out all day. I actually think I need to.
20:18 Drew Afualo? It sounds like they're trying to, Zachariah.
20:19 Speaker 01 All those roles I'm getting are like, they always have some sort of really chiseled physical description. I'm going through like, where's quirky gay best friend? Like, I'm looking for.
20:28 Drew Afualo? Like, I appreciate it. You know what's funny is mine is the opposite. Some of the, the like, character descriptions I've been sent.
20:39 Drew Afualo? Like, one of them, they asked me to do voice work for like a cartoon.
20:43 Speaker 01 Wait, that's so cool.
20:44 Drew Afualo? Which I think is fun. Well, and that was, and they, the description was a two-headed bird that's old and evil. I said, oh, no, for sure. That looks like me. The last one I read for, it said, like, the, her personality description, I felt kinda matched me. Like, she's neurotic and know-it-all, a goody-two-shoes, whatever. But then the, the like, physical description of her, it said, late 30s to 40s.
21:16 Speaker 01 Oh, oh.
21:17 Drew Afualo? Okay, well, hopefully that's just like a, a suggestion, not why you sent it to me. Doesn't matter, I didn't get it, but.
21:23 Speaker 01 Well, you never know.
21:25 Drew Afualo? Either way, it's okay. But I will say, I'm curious, have you done any like live reads or anything?
21:30 Speaker 01 No, I've only done self tapes.
21:31 Drew Afualo? Okay, yeah, I've done, I've done both. I've done self tapes mostly, and then I did one live read, but.
21:36 Speaker 01 What was that?
21:37 Drew Afualo? It was, it was on Zoom, so like, you know, it's fine, but I felt very strange because I felt like at one point, they asked me to read like three or four scenes. And then I felt like at one point, they were like, can you try doing it a little more urban? And I go, okay, like, like, like confrontational? And they're like, no, more like.
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22:36 Drew Afualo? Sassy. And I was like, you guys want to call me a slur and you can't. That's what you guys want to do, don't you?
22:43 Speaker 01 No.
22:44 Drew Afualo? Yeah. And it's funny, because after that read, I knew I didn't get it. I could just sense it. But also, those things were making me uncomfortable.
22:51 Speaker 01 Yeah.
22:52 Drew Afualo? And I remember I called Caleb and I asked him, I was like, is this like common in reads where they ask you to lean into stereotypes? And he was like, oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely. I was like, really? He goes, yeah, it's like the name of the game. It's just part of it. And I was like, he's like, it doesn't make it any less awful. But I was really thrown off by that. I don't think I was gonna not encounter anything like that. I just thought it was so glaringly obvious that I was like...
23:14 Speaker 01 Yeah, not even subtle either, the way you...
23:15 Drew Afualo? Yeah, and then I felt like I didn't finish very strong, because I was so thrown off by those comments.
23:20 Speaker 01 Oh, God.
23:21 Drew Afualo? She asked me at least three times in different descriptors each time. It's getting closer and closer each time.
23:27 Speaker 01 No one's asking me to read again, but more gag.
23:30 Drew Afualo? They're having you read for Henry Cavill's, apparently.
23:33 Speaker 01 Exactly.
23:34 Drew Afualo? Wants you to be the Witcher.
23:36 Speaker 01 The Huntsman, I'm just like running in, I'm like, Jesus.
23:39 Drew Afualo? That's what I think when I look at you.
23:41 Speaker 01 Yeah.
23:41 Drew Afualo? Manly.
23:42 Speaker 01 I'm gonna write my own stuff, that's what I'm gonna do.
23:43 Drew Afualo? You should.
23:44 Speaker 01 Yeah.
23:44 Drew Afualo? You should.
23:45 Speaker 01 I write my own roles.
23:46 Drew Afualo? Sometimes I think that's the only way to get through it, to be honest.
23:48 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah.
23:49 Drew Afualo? What about acting classes? Have you taken any?
23:51 Speaker 01 I...
23:51 Drew Afualo? I need to take some, and I'm scared.
23:53 Speaker 01 When I moved here, I did improv. At UCB, that's like the classic New York thing to do.
23:59 Drew Afualo? Well, I was gonna say, it's such a.
24:00 Speaker 01 At UCB, it's like, oh my god.
24:02 Drew Afualo? Rite of passage.
24:03 Speaker 01 It is.
24:04 Drew Afualo? For comedians in New York.
24:05 Speaker 01 I loved it. It was really competitive, which I thought was interesting. I did like an intensive two week. I was like, let me just get it done with. So I went like four days a week. People flew in from it.
24:15 Drew Afualo? Really?
24:16 Speaker 01 Florida and like the Midwest to like do this class. So.
24:19 Drew Afualo? Ooh.
24:19 Speaker 01 Have you ever done an improv class?
24:21 Drew Afualo? No.
24:21 Speaker 01 So like you don't get called on, you have to step up to like do, like we need four people and people like in my class were like chomping at the bit to be in every scene.
24:32 Drew Afualo? Oh, so you just like run up and just join?
24:34 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
24:35 Drew Afualo? So you just have to look for your windows?
24:36 Speaker 01 Yeah, until the guy comes up, the teacher's like, he's like, guys, the same people are coming up a lot, the same people. And I'm seeing a couple of you, looks at me, I'm like.
24:45 Speaker 01 Haven't heard from you all day.
24:46 Drew Afualo? I need you to be more aggressive.
24:47 Speaker 01 And I'm not there, I'm there to learn, I'm not there to like get cast in something. This isn't my big break right now.
24:53 Drew Afualo? I think the same, I think the same thing about my show like that.
24:55 Speaker 01 I just, so.
24:56 Drew Afualo? I'm here to learn, develop the skill.
24:58 Speaker 01 And I will say, I learned so much in that and I think I've become a better stage performer because of that. But it's really intense. And then I tried taking a stand up class and I quit after three days because everyone in the class didn't laugh at any of my jokes, but I would laugh at everybody's. And I'm like, oh, this is a class of haters.
25:15 Drew Afualo? Oh, so you guys are jealous of me?
25:17 Speaker 01 They were like, and I would like throw a laugh when I knew there was a laugh coming, but like you'd just throw me a bone. No one would ever laugh at my stuff.
25:23 Drew Afualo? Damn, tough room.
25:25 Speaker 01 Room.
25:26 Drew Afualo? You guys don't know what you're talking about.
25:27 Speaker 01 Yeah, so I was like, I don't need to go here and feel the shittier about myself. So I'm gonna leave.
25:33 Drew Afualo? Honestly, well, at that point, I feel like you could just jump in the deep end. Like at that point, you could just start doing.
25:39 Speaker 01 Well, I did.
25:39 Drew Afualo? Sets everywhere.
25:40 Speaker 01 I did.
25:40 Drew Afualo? I'm saying if that's, why would you pay for the class? You could go out in the real world and just experience that if you need to.
25:45 Speaker 01 A hundred percent.
25:46 Drew Afualo? How is that? Cause Phil, my manager who's here, he wants me to do more stand up, but I am a little nervy about it.
25:53 Speaker 01 Oh, I love it. I was also like so nervous. I didn't start until last year.
25:56 Drew Afualo? Yeah.
25:57 Speaker 01 And I love it now.
25:58 Drew Afualo? I've only done one five. That's it.
26:00 Speaker 01 That's great.
26:01 Drew Afualo? That's all I've done.
26:01 Speaker 01 A five is, a five is great because I feel like after the five, you're there. You know what I mean? Like my show's an hour 10 and like you just keep, but you just keep going, you know?
26:09 Drew Afualo? I'm curious, how do you, how do you like memorize? Do you just like, is it like the ends of your jokes lead into your new ones or like?
26:16 Speaker 01 It's not as hard as you think because you wrote it. You know what I mean?
26:19 Drew Afualo? That's what Caleb told me.
26:20 Speaker 01 So I break my show up into like, they're like five 15 minute sections and I do stand up and then I leave and a video plays of me doing some crazy thing and I come out as characters and then I leave. So I do like all my bits and then I do stand up in between everything, but it's really just like chunking it all together and it's just, it really is, there's nothing compares. You've done touring though.
26:40 Drew Afualo? Yes, I've done live performance.
26:42 Speaker 01 That's the same thing.
26:43 Drew Afualo? Yeah, that's what he's told me that to. I'm like, don't give him any ideas. He's been pressuring me.
26:47 Speaker 01 I think the big thing is though, is if that's something you want to do, like start saving the ideas. Cause like, I'm sure funny things are gonna keep happening, but you need to fill that like hour.
26:57 Drew Afualo? Yeah, because the, the live performance I have done have been with my sister. We've toured like Two Idiot Girls, the podcast live. And so it's all improv. So what we do at those shows is we like pass out prompts, which is what we do for the pod and then they submit them and then backstage we'll pick like 10 of them and then we'll go out on stage and then we'll just go through them and then we improv and like talk to the audience and kind of just make jokes like on the fly.
27:21 Speaker 01 Yeah, but most people are just doing crowd work now. Like so much, which I like dabbling, but it's not my strong suit.
27:27 Drew Afualo? Yeah.
27:28 Speaker 01 Especially when, the thing is with like live shows and you already know this, cause like you have to expect people to like, you have to be able to pivot with them.
27:35 Drew Afualo? Yeah.
27:36 Speaker 01 Like sometimes people get really drunk at my shows.
27:38 Drew Afualo? Oh my God, same. That happened to us a few times.
27:40 Speaker 01 But they're not, was it a bad heckle or was it like a nice heckle?
27:42 Drew Afualo? They're like, they're like love heckles, but it's irritating regardless. Especially if your shit's timed, cause you're like, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, let me get to my next section, okay? You know what's funny is on tour, the first time, I think the first time we had an issue with people getting too drunk, it was always like a Friday or Saturday show, obviously, cause they're like ready for the weekend. They want to get drunk, whatever. My sister and I were performing and obviously we're talking to the audience too, but we're very like, I'm very quick about that. Like audience participation lasts for a very specific amount of time and then I have to cut you off if you're like, you know, sometimes they get a little too invested in being part of it.
28:22 Speaker 01 Yeah.
28:22 Drew Afualo? It's fine, which is fine, but you gotta know how to like fear them off that path. So while we're talking, there's like- Like, there's two huge bars in the room too. So there's like people like scraping ice and it's like kinda loud, but you can still hear us. It's fine. And the people start getting drunk and they start talking while I'm talking. And then they kept cutting my sister off too while she's talking and we're like, it's just too much going on. So at one point I was like, I stopped someone in the audience. I was like, I'm so sorry. Can you pause? Who the fuck is talking? And I like said it really loud, like, like we're in a classroom. We're not. We're in a venue. Everybody's supposed to be having fun.
28:54 Speaker 01 Who the fuck is talking right now?
28:55 Drew Afualo? I was like, who the fuck is talking? I said, can you do me a favor? Can you shut the fuck up while we continue the show? Is that cool? Cause they were being rude for like 40 minutes.
29:02 Speaker 01 Did everyone clap?
29:03 Drew Afualo? Yeah. And everyone was like, well, and everyone looks and they're like, and now they're being narcs. Like everybody in the audience is being a narc, right? And so I'm trying not to like, think too much about it, but I will say, did it stop the talking? Yes. Did it kill the room? A little bit. I had to like win them back eventually. Like I was like, don't be afraid. I'm sorry. I went too, I went too hard. I'm sorry. I went too hard. And then the next night happened again in a different city. Still in, all in Florida, mind you. And the next night happened again. This time I was like, okay, I'm gonna say something, but I'm gonna be nicer. And I was like, can you pause real quick? Queen? Let's go ahead and stop talking, queen. So everybody can participate. Does that sound good? Okay. Thank you. Thank you.
29:45 Speaker 01 Yeah, learn it.
29:46 Drew Afualo? And then after that, it was better, but the first night, I mean, I killed that room fast. Nobody wanted to laugh anymore. Cause everybody was too scared.
29:54 Speaker 01 She's gonna hit me. Take your shoe off.
29:58 Drew Afualo? That's on me. I take that. That's on me.
30:00 Speaker 01 But it's annoying. It really is. I've never had anyone negative, but I've had like drunk people just get like loud and like wanna be a little too involved.
30:06 Drew Afualo? What did you have to do?
30:08 Speaker 01 I honestly just, I like, like tuning out. Like the staff usually knows to like tap people or whatever at the venues, but Detroit was the craziest show I ever had.
30:16 Drew Afualo? Really?
30:17 Speaker 01 Everyone was just like really like spirited. It felt like people were on drugs.
30:22 Drew Afualo? Spirited in like a kind of scary way, but still nice.
30:25 Speaker 01 Like woo.
30:26 Drew Afualo? It's like, oh, okay.
30:27 Speaker 01 Little wizardry. Like it wasn't just drunk. Cause people were like floating a little bit. Yeah. It was like, just so crazy energy, but it was such a memorable show. But I, I'm so paranoid one day that someone's gonna like, be like, he sucks. Like, cause.
30:41 Drew Afualo? Oh, like a bad hack.
30:42 Speaker 01 Cause I'll just leave.
30:44 Speaker 01 I'm out.
30:44 Drew Afualo? My time. Thank you.
30:45 Speaker 01 Oh, you hate it? I'm done.
30:48 Drew Afualo? I'll take it somewhere.
30:50 Speaker 01 I know that'll win you over.
30:51 Drew Afualo? I know. I'd love to know how it was when you first started doing stand up. Like, how was that experience as far as like, kind of just cold plunging?
30:57 Speaker 01 Cold plunging, completely. I did, I did, I opened for my friend for a 10 minute show and then I had like a show the next week for like 150 people at City Winery.
31:03 Drew Afualo? Ooh.
31:04 Speaker 01 And just did it, and now it's like growing. I think it's easier for someone like me and for you when our audience already like loves us.
31:12 Drew Afualo? Yeah, yeah.
31:12 Speaker 01 I think it's way harder and more respectful, like respectable to do it like, uh, when people are like just testing your material and you have no like-
31:19 Drew Afualo? Totally. Yeah, like no, uh, loyalty.
31:21 Speaker 01 Yeah.
31:22 Drew Afualo? Or allegiance, really.
31:23 Speaker 01 People are coming because they already know me, they're like me. So it's not really hard to win them over in that.
31:26 Drew Afualo? Yeah, that's true.
31:28 Speaker 01 So it makes it more comfortable for me and like the shows are great because everyone, I don't know, like they listen to our podcast, they like, they're all kind of like friends already.
31:36 Drew Afualo? Yeah.
31:37 Speaker 01 Cool, so, um, but yeah.
31:39 Drew Afualo? That's true. Cause I, I remember when I did the one five I've done, I opened for Caleb at the Largo with Chris Fleming. So like I did five, Chris Fleming did, I think 15, 20, and then Caleb obviously did like a full hour or something, but I was so nervous. I've never been more nervous in my life. I don't ever get nervous for work shit. I never get nervous to host or do anything. But for that, I like was losing sleep over it. I was so nervous. And I was telling Caleb, it's literally because I, I'm writing all the shit myself and if they don't laugh, I'm gonna be pissed. I'll be fucking mad. And I said, it's all right. I brought a gun. So if no one laughs, I got a backup plan.
32:15 Speaker 01 The Glock's out.
32:17 Drew Afualo? Is it funny now?
32:19 Speaker 01 You wanna start laughing?
32:20 Drew Afualo? Go ahead. Let me know when you're ready to start.
32:23 Speaker 01 Light it up, everyone.
32:24 Drew Afualo? And I remember he asked me if I wanted to promote it with me on the flyer and stuff. And I was like, honestly, no, because I wanna try it like for real. Cause I knew that if I promoted it, my own fans would go, which I would love, but they'll laugh at me regardless.
32:39 Speaker 01 Yeah.
32:40 Drew Afualo? Cause they love me and they care about me, which I appreciate. And I, I genuinely think they're being honest about laughing, but I wanted it to be someone else's audience. So I could kind of see if I'm good and if not. It did pretty well. Yeah. I think no complaints as far as I know.
32:54 Speaker 01 So nobody knew they were gonna be there?
32:55 Drew Afualo? No, yeah.
32:55 Speaker 01 What a drop in.
32:56 Drew Afualo? I know. When I came- Came out, they were screaming really loud and I was like, more cheers than Caleb. I appreciate that. Thank you guys.
33:02 Speaker 01 Ah.
33:03 Drew Afualo? It was his show, his closing show. Hate to take the thunder. But it was, it was really fun though. I had a lot of fun doing it.
33:09 Speaker 01 Yeah.
33:10 Drew Afualo? And I think you're so me. I love making people laugh. That's like my favorite thing to do.
33:13 Speaker 01 Yeah, and I don't know. I think you feed off the energy of a room so well, you know? And then people talk about the tours and posting pictures and like, the energy of it all is just really exciting. I'm gonna do 10 more this month and then I'm gonna take a little bit of a break, come back in the fall.
33:28 Drew Afualo? So, tell me about the podcast. How's that going?
33:31 Speaker 01 Good. It's called Camp Counselors Podcast. My boyfriend Jonathan, we're on year three.
33:35 Drew Afualo? Love.
33:36 Speaker 01 It's so-
33:37 Drew Afualo? How's it working with a spouse?
33:38 Speaker 01 I love it, but it does not work for everybody.
33:41 Drew Afualo? Yeah.
33:41 Speaker 01 He's my best friend.
33:42 Drew Afualo? I love that. Mine too.
33:43 Speaker 01 We do everything together. So, and I feel like our lives are so intertwined where, um, like it's just easier to keep him on the same page as me at all times. Like he wanted to come today, he had to do other stuff, but like, uh, working with him is great. He does like the most of the labor for the show, like he writes and everything.
33:58 Drew Afualo? Which is good.
33:59 Speaker 01 It is good.
34:00 Drew Afualo? You're all, that's good for me.
34:02 Speaker 01 You want me, you want me to edit it? Cause I'm like shit.
34:06 Speaker 01 He's actually really talented at that stuff, but, um, I love working with him. But everyone's always like, oh, that must suck. I'm like, or it's hard. I'm like, I like him.
34:13 Drew Afualo? Yeah.
34:15 Drew Afualo? That's why I didn't say that. That's why I was like, I'm curious how it works. Obviously it works, cause you're doing it multiple years in a row.
34:20 Speaker 01 Do people hate their spouses?
34:22 Drew Afualo? I think yeah, sometimes.
34:23 Speaker 01 I'm like, why is that not working?
34:25 Drew Afualo? I think the same thing, cause I, I do everything with my fiance too, cause I, you know, like he works with me now and he does his own business too. So like, we like travel together. I take him everywhere. Like they're always like, oh, like you guys don't, you, you don't like spending time apart? I'm like, not really. I personally know.
34:41 Speaker 01 Yeah.
34:41 Drew Afualo? I just told you how I feel about plus ones. I need one.
34:43 Speaker 01 Yeah, exactly. I don't know. We're, we're, we're attached at the hip too. I'll do a couple of things without him here and there, but.
34:49 Drew Afualo? Yeah.
34:49 Speaker 01 Um, I love working with him. He comes to the road. He opens for me.
34:52 Drew Afualo? Love.
34:52 Speaker 01 It's fun. Yeah. It's kind of like a pre podcast tour in a way.
34:55 Drew Afualo? Okay, T. It works for me with my fiance too, cause he doesn't like being the center of attention at all and I love being the center of attention. So it works. It's great for us.
35:05 Speaker 01 Well, Jonathan never had done stand-up and now he's doing it and he's doing like a 15 minute like sat when he opens and he's so good at it. And like, we were backstage in Toronto two weeks ago and the Live Nation rep was there and she went to him and she was like, hey, like- This was really amazing, because that's not what he wanted. I kinda like bullied him into it. I'm like, you're on the road. Get a paycheck if you can. Like, let's do it. But no, he's, yeah, he's crushing it right now, too. It's like a, it's a content house of our own, I guess.
35:31 Drew Afualo? You guys are doing your own hype house.
35:32 Speaker 01 Yeah, I'm like, I have a wig on, help me record.
35:36 Drew Afualo? Well, girl, I'm gonna ask you some, about some random questions, some random tidbits about you.
35:41 Speaker 01 Okay.
35:42 Drew Afualo? Okay, so, these are from my lovely producer Amanda. So, it says here, "Five years ago, you posted a YouTube video called 'My Dream Veneers,' where you explained that your dream for 2020 was to, quote, 'secure the bag so that you can buy a great set of veneers.' How's that dream going for you?"
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36:34 Speaker 01 That's a deep dive. That was me trying to do those Emma Chamberlain edits, like, you know that era of YouTube? Actually, I watched it the other day, and I was like, this was pretty funny.
36:44 Drew Afualo? I privately that video.
36:46 Speaker 01 My, no, I kept it public. Go watch that now, it's really funny. No, wait, the veneer culture has shifted.
36:52 Drew Afualo? It has.
36:53 Speaker 01 It wasn't like-
36:54 Drew Afualo? They shifted away from it.
36:55 Speaker 01 Yeah.
36:55 Drew Afualo? Yeah, because I am with you on that, because we were the same age.
36:59 Speaker 01 Yeah.
36:59 Drew Afualo? So, growing up, veneers were the thing.
37:01 Speaker 01 And now, people have these like dog teeth, like Barbie teeth, I'm not-
37:04 Drew Afualo? Oh, girl, yeah.
37:05 Speaker 01 And not everybody, like, some people have really great veneers, but the veneers I'm seeing on like TikTok are scary.
37:11 Drew Afualo? Yeah, they're, it's like a real flipper, like, uh, toddlers and tiaras.
37:15 Speaker 01 Such, that's exactly what it is. I also heard about, um, veneer breath or something? Have you ever-
37:20 Drew Afualo? What the hell's that?
37:21 Speaker 01 I think it's the bacteria and the decay.
37:24 Drew Afualo? Inside the veneer?
37:25 Speaker 01 I think in the, in the ceiling.
37:28 Drew Afualo? Girl.
37:28 Speaker 01 No.
37:29 Drew Afualo? No.
37:29 Speaker 01 No.
37:30 Drew Afualo? Bad breath? No.
37:32 Speaker 01 I draw the line.
37:32 Drew Afualo? I can't do it, especially not in this job. That's all we do is talk for a living.
37:36 Speaker 01 And I kind of think my teeth are quirky. Like they're my, like I look at my mouth and oh, those are my teeth.
37:41 Drew Afualo? Me too.
37:42 Speaker 01 So it's like, yeah, I'll get them. I've gotten them whitened a bunch of times. I'll keep them there. There's no enamel left. It's like, these things are basically.
37:49 Drew Afualo? I literally can't get mine whitened because my enamel is naturally low.
37:53 Speaker 01 Damn.
37:53 Drew Afualo? So like they, my teeth are so sensitive. I can't even bite cold things.
37:57 Speaker 01 Your teeth are white though. Did you drink coffee?
38:00 Drew Afualo? Yeah.
38:00 Speaker 01 Really?
38:01 Drew Afualo? Yeah.
38:02 Speaker 01 You gotta go toothpaste.
38:04 Speaker 01 Plug that crest.
38:06 Drew Afualo? I honestly don't even know what toothpaste I use, to be honest. I don't know. I think it's also genetic too. A lot of it's genetic. But I've thought about veneers too, cause like my bottom teeth are fucked up and that's because of, well, if you ask my dentist, it's because I didn't wear my retainers. But if you ask me, it's because I got my wisdom teeth and they like, they fucked my teeth up. Because my teeth were fucked up when I was a kid. I had like an underbite and my teeth were all on top of each other when I was a child. So I had a real jacked up grill for a long time. Did that's in like, in any way, shape or form affect my confidence? No, of course not.
38:39 Speaker 01 Oh, get out of here.
38:40 Drew Afualo? Of course not. I was smiling with my teeth all the time.
38:41 Speaker 01 How many, how long do you have braces for?
38:43 Drew Afualo? I had, well, first I had like three or four spacers just to realign my jaw.
38:49 Speaker 01 Damn.
38:49 Drew Afualo? Then I had permanent retainers for like a year. Then I had braces for two and a half years. Then I was supposed to wear retainers after. So believe it or not, this is after years of work.
38:59 Speaker 01 They look great. They look great and they like match your face. They look like your, it's your teeth. Like imagine if you would put like.
39:04 Drew Afualo? I think that too about your teeth. You got great teeth too.
39:06 Speaker 01 Thank you. If I put veneers on, I'd be like, scary.
39:08 Drew Afualo? I think so too. I remember when I got my braces off though, I cried because I thought my teeth were so small, which. They are, but they're proportionate to my face. Once I saw what they have to do to give you veneers, like when they have to shave your teeth down to those little like shark teeth.
39:23 Speaker 01 Yeah. Spooky. It's just like spooky. I'm not into it.
39:27 Drew Afualo? I don't like that permanent alteration with teeth.
39:31 Drew Afualo? Also, like, oh, I remember Trixie Mattel once was talking about how when she was saying veneers, I asked for Wisconsin white, which is LA yellow. Because some of their teeth are so white, they're looking blue.
39:44 Speaker 01 Yeah, they go blue so quick.
39:46 Drew Afualo? Like LED headlights on like a Ford.
39:48 Speaker 01 Yeah.
39:48 Drew Afualo? Yeah.
39:49 Speaker 01 Veneers are not in my journey as of right now.
39:52 Drew Afualo? Me too. If the plans change, they change.
39:54 Speaker 01 I'll call you. I'll tie you all up and I'll tell you.
39:57 Drew Afualo? I think too, that I think big teeth in my mouth would be horrifying.
40:01 Speaker 01 Yeah, you should try that though in like a face swap feature, like AI.
40:04 Drew Afualo? Oh, and see how I feel about it.
40:05 Speaker 01 Just for a giggle.
40:07 Drew Afualo? See, just to take a walk on the wild side.
40:10 Speaker 01 Like on a plane or something when you're bored, like.
40:13 Drew Afualo? That's actually a really good idea, because if you want to see how you'll look with them, you could easily.
40:17 Speaker 01 Yeah.
40:18 Drew Afualo? Yeah.
40:19 Speaker 01 What else are you doing? Just like watching a movie like?
40:21 Drew Afualo? Might as well pass the time. Okay, here's another tidbit. Let's see. You told New York Live News that you own about a hundred wigs stored in bins.
40:30 Speaker 01 I do.
40:32 Drew Afualo? Any particular reason or just collecting?
40:34 Speaker 01 I do all my characters. I just have all these wigs. I like buy wigs all the time for different videos. And it's like what I'm kind of like doing mostly right now is character stuff. But wigs are just so fun.
40:45 Drew Afualo? I was gonna say, so you need a hundred of those?
40:47 Speaker 01 It's been seven years. It's been seven years. And the thing is, my wig aftercare, atrocious. So I use a wig.
40:55 Drew Afualo? Right back in that bin.
40:56 Speaker 01 Yeah, I said, I have, I actually just bought satin bags.
40:58 Drew Afualo? Oh, nice.
40:59 Speaker 01 I said, look at me.
41:00 Drew Afualo? After seven years.
41:01 Speaker 01 Upgrade. Yeah, but they're, they're, they're in a lot of bins, but um, yeah, so many wigs.
41:07 Drew Afualo? You love a wig. Do you love Halloween?
41:09 Speaker 01 I love Halloween.
41:09 Drew Afualo? Me too.
41:10 Speaker 01 Every gay person loves Halloween.
41:11 Drew Afualo? That's, that's safe. Didn't want to assume.
41:13 Speaker 01 Yeah, I didn't get to do Halloween when I was a kid, though. My parents were super religious like that. I know.
41:19 Drew Afualo? See, we're like Halloween's the devil.
41:22 Speaker 01 Yeah, and now they've like shifted their ways. I'm like, you couldn't have done that in 2006?
41:27 Speaker 01 I was chomping at the bit.
41:29 Drew Afualo? What's your best Halloween costume?
41:31 Speaker 01 Um, geez, my best Halloween costume. Uh, I did like seven a couple of years ago and they were all reality TV stars. And I did like that woman, she's like, she is on a Christian. That was good. Also, do you remember the show, um, it was like Pretty Wild? And she was calling about the, she was like, they said I wore my like six inch Louboutin.
41:52 Drew Afualo? Yes, yes.
41:53 Speaker 01 I did her.
41:54 Drew Afualo? She was going to court.
41:55 Speaker 01 Yeah. And my little BB heels.
41:59 Speaker 01 I did her, um, I do a bunch every single year.
42:01 Drew Afualo? You love a reality TV moment.
42:02 Speaker 01 Oh my, I'm obsessed.
42:03 Drew Afualo? My new, me and my sister's new thing is, I wanna have a baby. That's our new thing.
42:09 Speaker 01 I wanna have another baby.
42:10 Drew Afualo? Yeah. No, I don't.
42:12 Speaker 01 Kim.
42:14 Drew Afualo? I don't.
42:15 Speaker 01 Did you watch the extended clip of that?
42:17 Drew Afualo? Yeah, I watched like where she goes, I really just like where she elaborates on what she's saying. I was telling her.
42:22 Speaker 01 Well, then she says she has a missed period and she goes, how long? She goes, three. She goes, weeks? And then she goes, months. And then Kyle goes, Kyle goes, are you sure it's not menopause? I said, drag her, drag her right now. She's already down bad.
42:37 Drew Afualo? If I, I am not a reality TV girl, but if I feel about like Housewives, any of that, if it was shown in like highlights, like they do like baseball highlights, I would watch it all the time.
42:49 Speaker 01 Yeah.
42:49 Drew Afualo? It's everything in between. I'm not really keen on, but.
42:52 Speaker 01 I am obsessed. That's all I want.
42:54 Drew Afualo? You love a reality TV moment. What's your fave?
42:57 Speaker 01 Right now, I'm in the middle of Real Housewives of New Jersey.
43:00 Drew Afualo? Okay, too.
43:00 Speaker 01 Yeah, I'm on season 10, but my favorite Housewife franchise is either OG New York or Potomac. I love Potomac so much.
43:09 Drew Afualo? Tea.
43:10 Speaker 01 Um, yeah, but they're really good and they inspire a lot of my characters.
43:13 Drew Afualo? Yeah.
43:14 Speaker 01 Just like really batshit crazy women who are just like, just, I don't know. They're just like dynamic and the show's amazing. I love it.
43:20 Drew Afualo? I know. I saw, I saw TikTok recently about. I think Real Housewives of New Jersey. But it was like a specific place in Jersey. And I saw a guy saying like, this is gonna be the best like franchise I've ever seen. I can't remember who it was, but he was like, what an oddly specific place to do a Housewives. Shit, I don't remember where it was at. I know it was on the East Coast. Me not knowing anything. Man, Real Housewives in every state, right?
43:43 Speaker 01 Would you ever do it? Have you ever been asked?
43:45 Drew Afualo? To do Housewives anything?
43:46 Speaker 01 To do like a reality TV moment?
43:48 Drew Afualo? Oh, reality TV, yeah. I get asked to do reality TV all the time. I've been offered like a reality TV show many times. But I, I think it's because they think that my family looks like the Housewives. It doesn't. It's my, my everyday life is very boring.
44:02 Speaker 01 I think it would be interesting. I don't think you're boring, no.
44:05 Drew Afualo? I know, I think it's, I think it's fun, like, like it's exciting, but I don't think it's nearly as dramatic. But I know it's, reality TV is not reality. Like, I know they, they kind of
44:15 Speaker 01 They chop it up.
44:16 Drew Afualo? up certain things.
44:16 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
44:17 Drew Afualo? But mostly I've said no because my home life is like the last thing I have. So that's like, I don't want a camera in my house. Like, I'm recorded all the time. I don't wanna, I don't wanna be recorded at home, especially not like with my family. Like, I feel so protective of my family, you know what I mean?
44:34 Speaker 01 Would your family be good on TV?
44:36 Drew Afualo? Yeah, most likely.
44:37 Speaker 01 Oh.
44:38 Drew Afualo? They'd be entertaining. I think people would love it. I think they would find it really interesting, but I don't think, I don't wanna do like, I don't know. I just, I fear what that would do to my family dynamic. I feel like it would just bleed into it in some regard, but I feel like you would thrive on reality TV.
44:54 Speaker 01 Maybe. I wanted to do Survivor so bad.
44:56 Drew Afualo? Do you?
44:57 Speaker 01 Yeah.
44:57 Drew Afualo? Are you a Survivor kind of girl? Are you like an outdoorsy girl?
45:00 Speaker 01 No, but I'll figure it out. I've started watching a year and a half ago and I've seen three seasons and that's it? And I'm like, literally send it on.
45:07 Drew Afualo? I've done all my research.
45:08 Speaker 01 I literally auditioned. They didn't call me? Every, every podcast they go on, I go Survivor casting, what the hell happened?
45:15 Drew Afualo? You guys need people, I'm here.
45:16 Speaker 01 You missed out on a good one.
45:18 Drew Afualo? There's that, there's like a Survivor type one in the UK. You should apply to that one.
45:22 Speaker 01 Oh damn, I didn't know.
45:23 Drew Afualo? Yeah, I saw, do you know GK Barry?
45:24 Speaker 01 No.
45:25 Drew Afualo? Oh, she's a British influencer. She was on there. I know Max. What's his last name? Bledi.
45:30 Speaker 01 He's on like, I'm a celebrity, get me out of here, Australia version.
45:34 Drew Afualo? Oh, yeah. See, why don't you apply to one of those?
45:36 Speaker 01 I know.
45:36 Drew Afualo? You like the foreign ones.
45:37 Speaker 01 Get the international one.
45:38 Drew Afualo? Yeah, you'll be a token American. I think that's a great idea.
45:40 Speaker 01 I don't, I like reality TV that's a competition based.
45:43 Drew Afualo? Oh, that's, yeah, that's fun.
45:45 Speaker 01 Yeah.
45:45 Drew Afualo? Yeah.
45:46 Speaker 01 Maybe Big Brother I would do.
45:48 Drew Afualo? I was just about to say you should do Big Brother.
45:50 Speaker 01 Yeah, I would do.
45:51 Drew Afualo? I think you would thrive.
45:52 Speaker 01 I think it's like funny and I like the, I don't know, like the, like the soundbites you get on those things. I'm not gonna do like, no one's watching Keeping Up With The Porters. I'm telling you, it's not giving.
46:03 Drew Afualo? You know, it's, you and your boyfriend should apply for The Amazing Race.
46:06 Speaker 01 Oh, we've talked about this. I, we would have such a blowout, like.
46:09 Drew Afualo? Right?
46:09 Speaker 01 I would rip the mic pack off. Like, I would actually, like, like, cut him out.
46:14 Drew Afualo? I've said that too.
46:15 Speaker 01 I am, I am a nightmare to like, like.
46:18 Drew Afualo? Compete with.
46:19 Speaker 01 Not even compete with, like, when I'm upset, like, I really shut down. Like, like, don't put me in a high-pressure situation with the camera.
46:25 Drew Afualo? I'm trying to have fun.
46:26 Speaker 01 Jonathan is a saint for dealing with me. I'm like, God, he's just, he's in like the airport in like Guadalajara. I'm like freaking out. He's like, well, you stop.
46:34 Drew Afualo? You're all, you can't even travel and not stress.
46:36 Speaker 01 I know. I just, I'm really high-strung. And then I'm like, that's my life though. I'm like, my emotions are high or low.
46:41 Drew Afualo? Yeah.
46:41 Speaker 01 Which is kind of crazy for him, but like for me, I'm like, I don't like the middle. Get the best and the worst in me at all times.
46:48 Drew Afualo? When I first blew up on TikTok, like I had hit my first million, I had just gotten signed. I got asked to, um, apply for The Circle, cause the first season of The Circle had done so well. So I was like, yeah, sure. Like, I figured, why not? Like, I'm already doing this TikTok shit. So I did a bunch of rounds of interviews and stuff. I was gonna catfish as my man. So I was gonna use his pictures and videos and stuff and pretend to be him. And I was like, I know a lot about sports. I could, I could, I could talk a bitch down. I could easily hit on a girl. I could easily do that shit. And I was, so I applied. I got to the very last round, like where they almost cast me. But then they did the psyche eval and then I didn't get it.
47:28 Speaker 01 You were gonna get it, but you failed the psyche eval. Wait, tell every, what do they ask on those?
47:34 Drew Afualo? On the psyche eval?
47:35 Speaker 01 Yeah.
47:36 Drew Afualo? Uh, they ask you things like. Do you have trouble being alone for long periods of time? It like depend, it depends on like the, the show you're going on.
47:44 Speaker 01 Okay, it's.
47:44 Drew Afualo? So I think like they'll ask you like, do you, you know, have any sort of things about self harming? Or anything like, they ask you like very serious stuff and then they also ask you stuff about like, how do you feel about being perceived on television by people? And how do you feel? But I think why they didn't pick me was because they said the, one of the last questions they asked me was, what's your greatest fear about being on a reality television show? And I said, being perceived as someone that I'm not like, or painted to be someone that I'm not? Didn't pick me because in the earlier rounds, because I applied and I said, I was gonna pretend to be my fiance, whatever, they obviously were super into that. They thought that was really funny. And then my TikTok presence, they were like, oh my God, she's like mean to men. It's like perfect.
48:25 Drew Afualo? And then I remember one of the interviews, they were asking me if I would consider myself a guy's girl. Like they're like, are all your friends dudes? Cause girls are drama. That's a verbatim question they asked me. And I'm 26 or 27, so I feel way too old for that kind of conversation.
48:42 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah.
48:43 Drew Afualo? But second of all, I was like, no. Like when they said that, I was like, no, almost all my friends are women. If there are men in my life, they're either related to me, my man or gay, so.
48:53 Speaker 01 They were gonna paint you a certain way.
48:55 Drew Afualo? They were gonna make me a pick me.
48:56 Speaker 01 Yeah.
48:56 Drew Afualo? And then I was, I remembered saying to like my agent, cause I just signed her at the time. I was like telling her, that's gonna shoot my brand in the face. If they like I, the whole point of my presence is because I'm not a pick me. But then on the circle, I'm gonna be like, girls are drama.
49:11 Speaker 01 Yeah.
49:12 Drew Afualo? You know what I mean?
49:12 Speaker 01 The best then, you know what I mean?
49:13 Drew Afualo? Yeah, I didn't get it for the best. And also they said I would have to live in a hotel by myself in London for three months. And I was like, oh, can't do that.
49:21 Speaker 01 No, no, no, no.
49:22 Drew Afualo? Me being away from my own bed for that long, I was like, hmm, maybe I don't want.
49:25 Speaker 01 They feel for three months?
49:26 Drew Afualo? Yeah, that one, yeah.
49:27 Speaker 01 They need to figure out tighter turnaround, that's.
49:30 Speaker 01 That cannot be good for production.
49:31 Drew Afualo? But like Great British Baking Show? If they asked me.
49:35 Speaker 01 Wait, they, they literally have those like, like mini ones with like the celebrities.
49:40 Drew Afualo? Yeah, right.
49:41 Speaker 01 You could do that.
49:42 Drew Afualo? I wanna be on the real one.
49:43 Speaker 01 Oh, oh, so you gotta get dual sessions.
49:45 Drew Afualo? Yeah. I'm gonna go, now I'll go live there for three months.
49:50 Drew Afualo? If I get to be on that show.
49:52 Speaker 01 Jew is in the tent.
49:53 Drew Afualo? Yeah. Do you like that show?
49:55 Speaker 01 I've seen every single season. I have the cookbook. I love it.
49:58 Drew Afualo? I love that fucking, that's my favorite. When they talk reality TV, I'm like, too hot to handle? No. Great British Baking Show.
50:06 Speaker 01 There's never been another show that's so pure and they want the best for each other. And even when they do bad, like they cry, like the hosts are crying, the judges are crying.
50:14 Drew Afualo? It's my favorite show in the world. And they compete for that fuck ass cake tin.
50:18 Speaker 01 I know.
50:19 Drew Afualo? That's all they get at the end. And a firm handshake.
50:21 Speaker 01 Right now it's Noel and Allison and they're, and it's like the dream team.
50:25 Drew Afualo? I love them.
50:26 Speaker 01 They're so.
50:26 Drew Afualo? We should do that.
50:28 Speaker 01 I would die.
50:28 Drew Afualo? We should cope. We would kill it. Me getting butterflies.
50:33 Drew Afualo? At my, at my idea.
50:36 Speaker 01 Except you're definitely like more like the Noel energy because you're like a bad bitch. And I'm like definitely Allison who's just like, woo.
50:41 Drew Afualo? I think so too.
50:42 Speaker 01 I love it.
50:42 Drew Afualo? I think we would be wonderful.
50:44 Speaker 01 Yeah, I would like, I would like to host something like that.
50:47 Drew Afualo? Me too. I would do something like that. I'm super down.
50:50 Speaker 01 Cause they don't have to do anything. They're just kind of cracking jokes and like eating the little dessert.
50:54 Drew Afualo? Yeah, they're there for vibes.
50:55 Speaker 01 Yeah.
50:55 Drew Afualo? Cause I've said, if I go on the show as a contestant, I'm going out week one. I know that. I'm going out week one. I know that, but I'm going to make such a lasting impression because I'm going to just be cracking jokes the entire fucking time.
51:07 Speaker 01 Well, Drag Race has proven like you can go out week one and you can still be like the icon of the show.
51:11 Drew Afualo? Exactly. I was gonna ask you about Drag Race.
51:13 Speaker 01 I love it.
51:15 Drew Afualo? Obviously.
51:16 Speaker 01 Yeah.
51:16 Drew Afualo? Some of your fave queens? Do you have any faves?
51:18 Speaker 01 Well, I love Chicksey. I love Bob, obviously. I love like Ivy Winters from like season six. Right now, right now, I think Crystal Envy is doing really great on the new season.
51:27 Drew Afualo? Oh yeah, I haven't watched the new season.
51:29 Speaker 01 Yeah, it just started, so you're not far behind. I love a bunch of them. I just like, I love the comedy queens. Oh, um, Delta.
51:36 Drew Afualo? Delta work?
51:36 Speaker 01 Yeah. Have you had her on the show?
51:37 Drew Afualo? Yeah.
51:38 Speaker 01 Oh my God, I literally love her.
51:40 Drew Afualo? She's so funny.
51:41 Speaker 01 She's like what I want to be. She makes me comfortable like being older. Cause like, she's just so, so funny. I think she's probably my favorite actually.
51:49 Drew Afualo? She killed, she was so funny. She was actually the first queen to come on my show in drag.
51:53 Speaker 01 Okay, cool.
51:54 Drew Afualo? Because everyone comes out of drag mostly. It's been her and Bianca Del Rio.
51:58 Speaker 01 Oh, how was that?
51:59 Drew Afualo? It was fun. Bianca's was so fun.
52:02 Speaker 01 I'd be nervous.
52:02 Drew Afualo? Oh, yeah, I know. Everyone was like, are you nervous? I was like, no, because she's a cunt like me, so it's gonna be fun. We're gonna have so much fun. And we did. We had, we had the most fun ever. We were like making fun of each other. I got her a couple of times really well. At the end, I remember I did this whole long running bit about what I was gonna do if I ever got nominated for a Golden Globe. The, the punchline ended up me being like with my tits out. That was the, and they're painted golden globes.
52:25 Speaker 01 Oh, I love that.
52:26 Drew Afualo? That was, that was the punchline of my very long running bit that she was following me on. Shortly after that, she like made a joke, started trying to open another bit. And I was like, yeah, I don't know. Like, I just didn't receive. And she goes, I went with your whole stupid Golden Globe, sorry. And you couldn't follow me that one fucking time? She goes, that whole stupid story, I followed you.
52:46 Speaker 01 Yeah.
52:46 Drew Afualo? So, yeah, she's good.
52:48 Speaker 01 My god, she'd make me nervous. I love the Drag Race girls. I love it.
52:51 Drew Afualo? I know, they're mean.
52:52 Speaker 01 Yeah, I love Drag Race in general. Do you ever go to like drag shows?
52:55 Drew Afualo? Um, I've been to a few, yeah. I love them. They're so fun.
52:58 Speaker 01 We were at a bar last week and it just like turned into a drag show. Like Wednesday at 10, I was like, what's happening? The girls are out. It's like, shawty, is it a crime? Is it a crime? Literally sobbing. Sobbing, holding a mirror, like, I'm like, is it a crime?
53:12 Drew Afualo? I don't know, is it?
53:13 Speaker 01 I'm like throwing one. Oh, my god, that's, there's so much drag here in New York, which is like one of the best parts.
53:18 Drew Afualo? I know. I've never been to a drag show out here. I've been to a few in California, but I've never been to one out here. And I've been to like, I've been to like Hamburger Mary's and all of that a few times. Classic, you gotta go. It's fun.
53:28 Speaker 01 Have a hamburger.
53:30 Drew Afualo? The food's good. The food is good at Hamburger Mary.
53:32 Speaker 01 There, it is good.
53:33 Drew Afualo? I appreciate it. I remember too, um, the last time I went to Hamburger Mary's, I remember, I was already doing this for a living. And the queen who was hosting the whole night, at the very end, she goes, by the way, I know exactly who the fuck you are. Whenever you want to come back, you let me know. All right, let's say, she just went back on the mic and she did not treat me differently the whole night. And then at the very end, she slid me that little.
53:54 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, she had to let you know.
53:56 Drew Afualo? Love that. Love the queens. I talk a lot about with my guests too, I like, there are certain rooms in which I feel like people know me. And then there are rooms where I don't mean shit to anybody. Do you find that too?
54:06 Speaker 01 Totally. Like, if you put me in like Gillette Stadium at the Patriots, no one gives a fuck. You put me in the middle of Main Street Magic Kingdom? Those women are barking for a photo. My audience is mamas.
54:20 Drew Afualo? Do you like Walt Disney, Disney World?
54:22 Speaker 01 Oh, I love them both. I am like, I am rebranding for Disney adults because I'm like, we're not all crazy, okay?
54:28 Drew Afualo? I agree.
54:28 Speaker 01 I love it. I love, I love theme parks. You know what I mean? I don't think I'm gonna have a kid, so I'm just gonna continue to be a kid the rest of my life.
54:35 Drew Afualo? I'm not having children either. Look at us.
54:37 Speaker 01 I don't, I just, I have so many kids in my family and my sister calls me with these stories. She's like, oh, my nephew did the fattest shit in the bathtub. I'm like, that's crazy. That's so, I'm just like not into it. Um, so yeah, I just like, I feel like I'm a big kid, so I can't.
54:51 Drew Afualo? Love.
54:51 Speaker 01 Yeah.
54:52 Drew Afualo? Have you been to Universal in Orlando? Is it Orlando?
54:55 Speaker 01 Yeah.
54:55 Drew Afualo? Yeah.
54:55 Speaker 01 There's, I haven't been to the one in LA. I did a Backlot tour when I was in LA last time. Cause I like stuff like that. It was so fun.
55:04 Speaker 01 Did you watch Gilmore Girls?
55:05 Drew Afualo? I didn't watch it, but I know of it.
55:07 Speaker 01 At least, so we're in the Gilmore Girls set in the gazebo in the middle of town and I'm freaking out. No one on our tour cares. And he goes, they want a picture. And me and Jonathan are like, please, in the gazebo. No one else wanted a picture in the gazebo. I was like, guys, this is like a pretty big show.
55:20 Drew Afualo? This is an iconic venue and nobody here appreciates it.
55:23 Speaker 01 Oh my God, what was that Doja Cat music video where she was like on the walls and the ceiling?
55:28 Drew Afualo? Oh, uh, Demon?
55:30 Speaker 01 Yes.
55:30 Drew Afualo? Demon?
55:31 Speaker 01 Yeah. So we were in that house?
55:33 Drew Afualo? Okay.
55:33 Speaker 01 I got to be in that house?
55:34 Drew Afualo? Spooky.
55:35 Speaker 01 I know. Have you done a Backlot tour?
55:36 Drew Afualo? No, I've never done one.
55:37 Speaker 01 You have.
55:37 Drew Afualo? I know. I've been, I've been to Universal a few times, but I've never, like in LA and I've been to the one in Florida.
55:42 Speaker 01 I've never done the LA one. I heard that one's really good. I did like the Paramount one, I think.
55:45 Drew Afualo? Yeah, no, the one in, the one in Florida, in my opinion, is more fun for adults. But there's still cool stuff in, in the one in LA. But like in Florida, like I remember a couple of years ago, I rode the Hagrid's ride for the first time.
55:58 Speaker 01 Sick.
55:59 Drew Afualo? Girl, I had so much fun. I was laughing so hard I had tears going down my face.
56:02 Speaker 01 It's sweet.
56:03 Drew Afualo? And the girl was taking me out. She goes, are you okay? And then I go, I just like had so much fun.
56:09 Speaker 01 When it drops down for the first time ever, oh my god, sensational.
56:12 Drew Afualo? Funny, because when we were sitting, when we went, I went, when I went to, when Playlist Live was still a thing.
56:17 Speaker 01 Wow.
56:18 Drew Afualo? And so they rented it out for creators and their families for one night.
56:22 Speaker 01 Cool.
56:23 Drew Afualo? And so, like, one of my agents, she was like, we have to go on Haggard's Ride, it's like so fun. And we're like, okay, so there's no line or anything. So we go all the way in. And we're getting in the little cars. And it's like, you know, it's like that in the sidecar, right? It's like a bike and a sidecar. And so I'm sitting in the sidecar and my fiance was on the bike. And he goes, what kind of ride is this? And I go, I don't know, I think it's, I think Alex said it's kind of like a roller coaster. And he goes, this thing's a roller coaster. Because you know, like, all it does is push on your back and that's it.
56:51 Speaker 01 Like arches your back a little?
56:52 Drew Afualo? Yeah, yeah, you're tooching, you know what I mean?
56:57 Speaker 01 You got real good on that ride, didn't you?
56:59 Drew Afualo? Right. And I, he goes, this thing's a roller coaster. I go, that's what she said. I don't know. I'm experiencing it for the first time with you. And he was like, okay.
57:07 Speaker 01 You literally don't know.
57:08 Drew Afualo? Yeah. And then as soon as it rips around that first corner, I didn't stop screaming the entire time.
57:13 Speaker 01 No, I know.
57:13 Drew Afualo? I was experiencing true joy.
57:15 Speaker 01 So you're like up, yeah, you're really like in it.
57:17 Drew Afualo? I remember after we went on the Velocicoaster, which was the scariest ride I've ever been on.
57:22 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's violent.
57:23 Drew Afualo? After we went on that one, we were like, are these like street legal roller coasters? I feel like they're like breaking laws in some regard. They're insane.
57:32 Speaker 01 Yeah, they are. They are insane. That's a fun one. Do you ever, I don't go on the rides when there's like a, a little like local carnival, like those rides scare me.
57:39 Drew Afualo? No, yeah, I won't do that.
57:40 Speaker 01 Like a zipper moment? You're not gonna catch me on that.
57:43 Drew Afualo? No, no, no, no, no.
57:45 Speaker 01 This year, I'm trying to go to the Wisconsin State Fair.
57:48 Drew Afualo? Okay, T. What's going on there?
57:50 Speaker 01 First of all, Wisconsin, beautiful state.
57:52 Drew Afualo? Is it?
57:53 Speaker 01 Yeah, I sent a show in Minnesota. That's Wisconsin.
57:57 Drew Afualo? Wiscon- Min-?
57:58 Speaker 01 Now I'm freaking out.
57:59 Drew Afualo? Is Minnesota in Wisconsin?
58:01 Speaker 01 Minnesota people, where you at, baby? Damn it.
58:04 Drew Afualo? Wisconsin is different.
58:05 Speaker 01 No, it's not Wisconsin. Minnesota.
58:09 Drew Afualo? Is Minnesota in Wisconsin? No. Those are two different states.
58:13 Speaker 01 Okay, oh, okay. So what's the capital of Minnesota? Why are you blinking on this right now? I loved it there.
58:19 Drew Afualo? Uh...
58:21 Speaker 01 I literally loved it there.
58:22 Drew Afualo? I have no idea.
58:23 Speaker 01 No. See, what is the capital?
58:26 Drew Afualo? You love it. You loved it so much you can't remember.
58:28 Speaker 01 Guys, the air-
58:30 Drew Afualo? St. Paul, Minnesota.
58:31 Speaker 01 It's the one next to St. Paul. It's the Twin Cities. It's St. Paul, the other one. Minneapolis, got there.
58:38 Speaker 01 Hi everybody. Minneapolis is the most fabulous city I've ever been to. Their airport is gorgeous.
58:42 Drew Afualo? Really?
58:42 Speaker 01 And it's real woosie and campy out there.
58:44 Drew Afualo? It's crazy that you say that because I'm flying to Minnesota tomorrow.
58:47 Speaker 01 For the first time?
58:48 Drew Afualo? Yeah.
58:48 Speaker 01 Oh my god, you're gonna love it.
58:49 Drew Afualo? Oh, really?
58:50 Speaker 01 Their airport has projections by like, you really hear luggage comes out? Like nature projections. There's like water bubbling and like birds co- cawing. And I'm like, this is like not necessary, but so cute.
58:59 Drew Afualo? Oh, wow.
59:01 Speaker 01 It's themed, but um, they have the second largest state fair in the country.
59:05 Drew Afualo? T.
59:05 Speaker 01 So I'll come back.
59:06 Drew Afualo? And I will be back.
59:08 Speaker 01 Labor Day, are you checked? I'm looking at flights now.
59:11 Drew Afualo? Yeah, that's your bucket list type deal?
59:13 Speaker 01 Yeah, I love stuff like that. Kitchy, stupid stuff like that.
59:15 Drew Afualo? Really?
59:16 Speaker 01 Let me go do that for fun. For the experience.
59:18 Drew Afualo? I think I need to go do that.
59:19 Speaker 01 Yeah.
59:20 Drew Afualo? Yeah, because you were telling me that you hate festivals.
59:23 Speaker 01 I hate music festivals.
59:24 Drew Afualo? Music festivals. But you love a fair.
59:26 Speaker 01 Yeah.
59:26 Drew Afualo? Yes.
59:27 Speaker 01 I don't-
59:27 Drew Afualo? What about like a ren fair?
59:29 Speaker 01 Oh, I love a ren fair.
59:30 Drew Afualo? Have you been to one?
59:30 Speaker 01 Yeah.
59:31 Drew Afualo? I've never been to one. My goal is to go to one this year.
59:33 Speaker 01 Is there one in LA?
59:34 Drew Afualo? Yeah, there's a ton in California.
59:35 Speaker 01 And you have to dress up?
59:36 Drew Afualo? Yes.
59:36 Speaker 01 A little bit.
59:37 Drew Afualo? Of cour- girl, I'm gonna go full, I'm gonna, I have elf ears and everything. I'm gonna wear them all.
59:41 Speaker 01 So I just did elf ears one year with like a normal outfit. I was like, not being a cute elf.
59:45 Drew Afualo? Not being a low-key elf.
59:46 Speaker 01 When people like wear the one I have, it's like summertime and they'll be in full chainmail. I'm like, you stink. Raunchy.
59:53 Drew Afualo? Well, they're living in the times.
59:54 Speaker 01 Oh, you're right.
59:55 Drew Afualo? Right. I love ren fair. I wanna, I wanna go so badly.
59:58 Speaker 01 They're fun.
59:59 Drew Afualo? Right?
59:59 Speaker 01 I like stuff like that.
1:00:00 Drew Afualo? I know. It's so silly. When I was in middle school, we did like a whole like Renaissance like unit, but at the end of the like semester or whatever, we had a big like ren fair. And each like class was a different kingdom and we had like competitions and all competed against each other.
1:00:20 Speaker 01 God bless those teachers.
1:00:21 Drew Afualo? Right.
1:00:21 Speaker 01 Like, they were really doing it.
1:00:22 Drew Afualo? They had no, no like reason to ever have to do that, but they like, it was like a full thing.
1:00:28 Speaker 01 Like you're like still talking about, like, that's like-
1:00:31 Drew Afualo? Be 25 years later.
1:00:32 Speaker 01 Shout out teachers.
1:00:33 Drew Afualo? Yeah.
1:00:33 Speaker 01 Y'all are really doing it.
1:00:35 Drew Afualo? I remember because I was so excited because you got to, well, first of all, they had you like vote on different caste systems. So like, I wanted to be a lady, but I didn't want to be the queen or anything because I didn't want any jobs. I just wanted to dress pretty because there were people who were peasants and they had to come to school dressed like that.
1:00:53 Drew Afualo? So I got to be a lady.
1:00:55 Speaker 01 No way.
1:00:56 Drew Afualo? And that's why I think the Ren Fair is calling me. I think I gotta go back.
1:00:59 Speaker 01 It's, yeah, put it on the calendar. Look forward to it. Get the outfit now. Corset bust down.
1:01:04 Drew Afualo? I'm gonna rent a whole costuming thing.
1:01:07 Speaker 01 Rent the runway?
1:01:09 Drew Afualo? A newly, it's a Ren Fair dress? Okay, we'll do one more. We'll do one more fun tidbit. Okay. And here it says, one of your first acting gigs was in college and you had to make a commercial PSA for an ad agency about teen safety in the workplace. What does that look like?
1:01:28 Speaker 01 Oh my God, I went to school for advertising. I wanted to do that. So my, the guy who was our professor worked for a real ad agency and they were doing like a local PSA about teen safety. So I had to play a teenager. I was like, I'm so youthful. So I was like 21 and this commercial is tall.
1:01:45 Drew Afualo? And they need you to be in the pool and they need you to be naked and J Lo might pop in.
1:01:48 Speaker 01 Full nudity. I said, I'll do a full frontal. They said it's teen safety, so relax.
1:01:54 Drew Afualo? So we can't have that.
1:01:54 Speaker 01 Yeah, I was like, okay, so no creative control here. Um, no, it was so, it was so funny. It was like, the whole thing was like, if you're working in unsafe condition, you can text this hotline. They'll like come like, I don't know, help you out a little bit. So I was like, you don't have to take those jobs. If you're nervous, just call this number. And it was like, call it Safe Jobs RI. We're like adding it into like an iPhone. It's like a whole bit. It was, it was funny. It was cute. It was my first acting gig. It's not on IMDb though. I should get that credit or something.
1:02:22 Drew Afualo? No SAG card for that, huh?
1:02:24 Speaker 01 Yeah, I really just did it to like make the professor like me so that he gave me an internship, which did work.
1:02:29 Drew Afualo? Tea.
1:02:29 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:02:30 Drew Afualo? Friends in high places.
1:02:31 Speaker 01 I brought a sweatshirt that they didn't like, so they made me wear an Aeropostale like black sweatshirt with like fur in it or something. And I was like, why this? The picture's there, the video is there.
1:02:39 Drew Afualo? Yeah, right. It's all, it's okay. I still got the gig.
1:02:42 Speaker 01 Yeah, I got, hey, I got booked. I got booked. Yeah.
1:02:45 Drew Afualo? When I was like in, I think when I was like 10 or 11, uh, my mom worked for like this agency that ran the local youth bus, like, or the local buses, like in the city that I was living in at the time. And they needed young kids, cause they were trying to encourage kids to like use public transportation during the summer.
1:03:05 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm.
1:03:06 Drew Afualo? And so they needed young children like to like photograph, like they were going to the beach or something like that.
1:03:11 Speaker 01 Gotcha.
1:03:11 Drew Afualo? For like, uh, advertising in the buses and like in the brochures. And so my mom, they asked my mom, they're like, oh, you have two young daughters, right? Like, bring them and maybe they will get cast in it. And I remember we both got cast, but then my sister, uh, she did something bad. So then she got grounded. And so then my mom just took me by myself to the photo shoot. Like, I was sitting there by myself. But I remember I was the only brown kid and I was really dark at the time too, cause it was summer. And it was me and like three white kids and one Asian kid. So it's like a real college brochure.
1:03:44 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:03:44 Drew Afualo? Like mixed races. And so I remember they kept putting me, if there was like two whites, they'd have to put me in there too. And if there was one white, one pale, then me in there too. Like they were trying to balance. Yeah, all the time. Yeah, they had me in every shot.
1:03:57 Speaker 01 We need Drew, we need Drew for this one.
1:03:58 Drew Afualo? It looks too white, it looks too white. Let's bring another one. And so like, I remember.
1:04:02 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:04:02 Drew Afualo? They took so many pictures of me the whole day. I was feeling fierce. I was like, oh my God, taking pics, pics of me when I'm 10. Right? I'm like, oh, I'm loving it. My mom got me a new outfit. I was loving it.
1:04:13 Speaker 01 Do you still have the pictures?
1:04:14 Drew Afualo? Yeah, I do. I need to find them. I, I still have the brochure and everything. I came on a poster and all that shit. I saved all of it.
1:04:20 Speaker 01 That's like your first big gig.
1:04:21 Drew Afualo? Yeah, I was like, oh, look at me. And then I remembered when I saw the prints after, like, cause I am in some of the pictures, but some of the other ones, they photoshopped, uh, my hair, my skin and like to make me look like the other girls, cause I was in too many pictures. So they literally put blonde hair and white skin on my body, like when I'm turned to the side.
1:04:42 Speaker 01 On your bone structure, so it's your face?
1:04:43 Drew Afualo? Yeah, so it is my face, but they just changed the eye color and everything. And it's not done very well, cause it wasn't, like Photoshop wasn't what it is now when I was 10. But I remember being like, that's literally me. Like, my hair, my hair was so long at the time too. It was like down past my butt.
1:04:58 Speaker 01 They got you like a bob?
1:04:59 Drew Afualo? Yeah. They just made it bleach blonde. I looked like a, the Valerians, House of the Dragon.
1:05:04 Speaker 01 Hirsing, blue eyes. Like, is that a color contact?
1:05:08 Drew Afualo? I look at that meme of Miley Cyrus when she's staring. Yeah, that's, that's what I looked like.
1:05:12 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's unethical and that's weird.
1:05:14 Drew Afualo? Yeah, it was so. And I remember being like, why did you have me go on every page?
1:05:18 Speaker 01 I keep being a body double.
1:05:19 Drew Afualo? I know. They've literally had me standing in. I was a stunt double. Oh, it was awful. And now look at us thriving.
1:05:27 Speaker 01 Yeah, we've come a long way from, um, public service announcements.
1:05:30 Drew Afualo? From teen safety in the workplace. Okay, to just kind of like wrap us up a little bit. I know you talked a lot about Tori, you talked about how you started, you talked about your podcast. What would you say is like your best piece of advice for people who maybe want to entertain for a living? And maybe feel lost like you said you did at one point?
1:05:49 Speaker 01 I think just, uh, just go for it and trust your gut and like be prepared to work really hard. And you have to believe in yourself before anybody else does, because it takes a long time for people to catch up sometimes. But if you, if it's meant for you, it'll be for you. There's just room for everybody.
1:06:05 Drew Afualo? I agree. I couldn't agree more. And what you said too earlier, when you're like, I'm just gonna write it myself. I feel like a lot of times that's what you have to do.
1:06:11 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:06:12 Drew Afualo? I talked about being grateful for the internet for that reason. Cause I'm like, some of us would never get seen if we didn't have TikTok or anything like that.
1:06:20 Speaker 01 It was just like a one way to become like a public figure.
1:06:22 Drew Afualo? Yeah, what you were saying earlier when you were like, I feel like it was just being an actor was the only way to get famous. Cause we had no way of knowing.
1:06:29 Speaker 01 Actor, because it's like, now at least people can say influencer, I guess, too. But yeah, no, I think just like write your own destiny.
1:06:35 Drew Afualo? Love.
1:06:36 Speaker 01 Figure it out yourself, because there's an avenue there. Just got to get everyone else to believe it too.
1:06:39 Drew Afualo? Period. Well, I love you. Thank you so much for coming and keying with me. It's been a blast.
1:06:44 Speaker 01 We've been giggling.
1:06:46 Drew Afualo? I know. Thank you all so much for tuning into this episode. Thank you so much to my amazing guest, Zachariah. Where can everybody find you?
1:06:54 Speaker 01 I am Zachariah Porter pretty much everywhere, or ZZ Zachariah on TikTok, and I have a tour. Come see it. Listen to Cam Contra's podcast and thank you for having me, Drew.
1:07:03 Drew Afualo? Oh my gosh, of course. Thank you for coming. I can't wait for you to keep just absolutely soaring.
1:07:07 Speaker 01 You too.
1:07:09 Drew Afualo? Your live comedy. I'm so excited for you.
1:07:11 Speaker 01 I'll see you there next.
1:07:12 Drew Afualo? Yes, period. Let me know. And you saw it, so he can't take it back.
1:07:16 Drew Afualo? Thank you all so much for tuning into this episode. Don't forget, new episodes of the comment section drop every Wednesday. You can stream the audio on all streaming platforms, or you can watch the video for free and exclusively on our favorite platform, Spotify. Thank you so much for watching. Thank you to my amazing guest, Zachariah Porter, and I'll see you next week. Bye.
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