FELLAS, IS IT GAY TO LOVE? Ft. Lucy Dacus | Episode 219

Lucy Dacus is here on the show this week!! Drew and Lucy talk her new single, telling men to smile more, dog alopecia, enlisting in therapy, first concerts, why love is not corny, Titanic conspiracy theories, the time Lucy got stuck in quicksand in Scotland, and so much more. Lucy IG: https://www.instagram.com/lucydacus/ Lucy Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@lucydacus Follow The Comment Section on IG: https://www.instagram.com/thecommentsection/ Shop Mother's Day Beauty Gifts at Sephora Visit Macy’s https://www.macys.com/shop/product/calvin-klein-euphoria-magnetic-elixir-parfum-3.3-oz.? ID=25460226 to discover the new Calvin Klein euphoria elixirs. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:32Drew Afualo?

  Capitalism is evil and crushing and soulless and awful. And that's why when I think about for-profit healthcare, it like truly makes me want a mangione.

• 0:43Speaker 02

  Yeah. Say his name.

• 0:45Drew Afualo?

  I'm not gonna say his name.

• 0:47Speaker 02

  Say his name.

• 0:57Drew Afualo?

  Hey, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the Comment Section Show. Sorry, me, your babe, everybody knows me, who cares about me. Onto the guest. Today, we have the icon, the legend. Lesbians, let me fucking hear you. Lucy Dacus.

• 1:14Speaker 02

  So everyone's lesbian, right?

• 1:15Drew Afualo?

  Oh, yeah, yes, for the most part, yes.

• 1:17Speaker 02

  Cool.

• 1:17Drew Afualo?

  Most, yeah, for the most part, yes. Even when I told Chapel, I was like, everyone that works for me and with me is gay. She's like, I can tell.

• 1:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26Speaker 02

  I think everyone is really hoping that's an arc for you.

• 1:29Drew Afualo?

  I know.

• 1:29Speaker 02

  But don't worry about it.

• 1:31Drew Afualo?

  You know what?

• 1:31Speaker 02

  Love is love.

• 1:32Drew Afualo?

  It love is love.

• 1:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:33Drew Afualo?

  Love is, I'm so glad you guys could support me.

• 1:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:36Drew Afualo?

  And my heteronormativity.

• 1:37Speaker 02

  But like, literally.

• 1:37Drew Afualo?

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• 2:14Drew Afualo?

  I know, I told a couple people, I was like, oh yeah, I'm gonna have Lucy out, my sister, who is a lesbian, I do bring her up all the time, she's been a big fan of yours forever. But I was like, I have climbed the top of lesbian mountain, now that I've had you.

• 2:29Speaker 02

  I'm at the top.

• 2:30Drew Afualo?

  You're at the very top, you're on the Mount Rushmore.

• 2:32Speaker 02

  I'm lonely at the top.

• 2:35Drew Afualo?

  But you're an icon and a living legend, I'm happy and honored to have you.

• 2:38Speaker 02

  Thank you, likewise.

• 2:39Drew Afualo?

  And we have met before.

• 2:41Speaker 02

  We did, like a year ago.

• 2:42Drew Afualo?

  Yes, at the Elton John party.

• 2:44Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:44Drew Afualo?

  And that was such a strange environment.

• 2:47Speaker 02

  It really was, I really enjoyed it.

• 2:49Drew Afualo?

  I had a blast, I got absolutely trashed at that party. Yeah, at that party, yeah.

• 2:54Speaker 02

  I didn't even notice that.

• 2:55Drew Afualo?

  Well, it was a little bit after I talked to you.

• 2:57Speaker 02

  I like to leave early.

• 2:58Drew Afualo?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was like, I've seen what I need to see.

• 3:00Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, you're like, well, I'm done here.

• 3:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:03Drew Afualo?

  I appreciate that about you.

• 3:04Speaker 02

  I had a heart to heart with Machine Gun Kelly and left.

• 3:08Drew Afualo?

  That's exactly what I was gonna bring up, because I distinctly remember you telling me about your heartfelt moment with MGK. And well, only because he walked by and said bye to you. And you were like, hey, smile more. And then you walked away and I said, so what was that? Did you want to elaborate on that, or no? And you were like, oh, we were having like a heart to heart at the table.

• 3:34Speaker 02

  It's true, like, I was like, what's this guy's deal? I feel like there's a lot of, like, he seems very serious and...

• 3:43Drew Afualo?

  And he was wearing cord headphones, like the whole time.

• 3:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, he ultimately wasn't having a great day, it turns out, and me and Katie Gavin also on lesbian mountain.

• 3:53Drew Afualo?

  Yes, also on lesbian mountain, along with the other two.

• 3:55Speaker 02

  We just like kinda heard him out and like, just got real. That's the thing is if you leave your house and you have your heart open, anything can happen.

• 4:05Drew Afualo?

  The possibilities are endless.

• 4:07Speaker 02

  The possibilities are endless, but I was like... Like, my guy, if you smiled, the people would have a harder time, like.

• 4:15Drew Afualo?

  It's true.

• 4:16Speaker 02

  Making fun, if you're in on the joke, like, if you have a, people will think that your whole life is different.

• 4:22Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 4:22Speaker 02

  Not to be a man on the street, like, smile.

• 4:24Drew Afualo?

  No, but honestly, there is something truly beautiful and poetic about a lesbian telling a man, a straight man, you need to smile more. That's gonna speak to them. That makes my.

• 4:33Speaker 02

  But it also, like, scientifically, like, really helps you, like.

• 4:36Drew Afualo?

  I agree.

• 4:37Speaker 02

  When you smile, it tells your brain something.

• 4:39Drew Afualo?

  The endorphins, yeah.

• 4:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm not a scientist at all.

• 4:41Drew Afualo?

  It's all about the, the, like, motions of it. Sometimes you gotta fake it so you make it.

• 4:45Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 4:45Drew Afualo?

  I agree with that.

• 4:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:46Drew Afualo?

  Especially about happiness.

• 4:47Speaker 02

  I feel like maybe he has been smiling a little bit more, I don't know.

• 4:49Drew Afualo?

  All thanks to you.

• 4:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:52Drew Afualo?

  What can't you do?

• 4:55Drew Afualo?

  You could do so much. You got so much already. But you are truly a living legend. I'm genuinely so honored to have you. It's true. I believe it.

• 5:06Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 5:06Drew Afualo?

  I believe it to be true, but also, I do wanna know how you're feeling lately. How's life going for you?

• 5:12Speaker 02

  Lately, I feel good. It's nice to be home. I was just on tour for a long time. Just moved recently, like, very excited to be hanging out with my dog. Do you have pets?

• 5:23Drew Afualo?

  Yes, I have two dogs. What kind of dog do you have?

• 5:26Speaker 02

  I have like a hound mutt, like, crazy girly.

• 5:29Drew Afualo?

  Oh, cute.

• 5:30Speaker 02

  What dogs do you have?

• 5:31Drew Afualo?

  I have two Frenchies. Derogatory, I know. But like, I did adopt them, and one of them is completely deaf.

• 5:38Speaker 02

  Do you have photos, or can we do this later?

• 5:40Drew Afualo?

  Of course I do. It's my show, we can do whatever we want here. This is them. Yeah, this one's my deaf one, his name's Tuna, and this is Squid.

• 5:52Speaker 02

  No.

• 5:53Drew Afualo?

  I know, their names are a huge hit. Every time I tell people their names, they love them. Yeah, and I got Squid first, so he's the oldest, and then we adopted Tuna, um, and he's completely deaf, so like, he couldn't, like, put him with a, the guy I adopted him from actually said he tried to take him to, like, a rescue because he, like, couldn't have him anymore, and then, um, they said, like, they didn't have any room, but they said, please don't take him to a shelter, cuz they'll put him down, cuz he's deaf. And so, he listed him on, like, a find-your-pet thing, and so that's how I found him.

• 6:21Speaker 02

  I feel emotional.

• 6:22Drew Afualo?

  I was gonna say, you look emotional.

• 6:23Speaker 02

  I'm like shaking. I have like whatever baby peer is for dogs.

• 6:28Drew Afualo?

  Me too.

• 6:29Speaker 02

  I think we're gonna get another dog.

• 6:31Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 6:32Speaker 02

  Do you have like? A lady came up to us on the street and was like, could you take a dog? And we were like, maybe.

• 6:38Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 6:39Speaker 02

  And we like got her number.

• 6:40Drew Afualo?

  Oh, nice. Did she say what kind of dog?

• 6:42Speaker 02

  Uh, it looks like Scooby Doo. That's what we know.

• 6:45Drew Afualo?

  Like a Marmaduke?

• 6:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, so we'll see if that works out, but there.

• 6:49Drew Afualo?

  Big dog.

• 6:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm open to a dog walking into my life.

• 6:52Drew Afualo?

  Oh, my god. Yeah, you're like the universe. It's like the, what do they call it when people have like cats? And they're like, oh, if you're nice to the universe, the cat exchange principle or whatever will like give it back to you.

• 7:02Speaker 02

  The cat is nice to you if you're nice?

• 7:04Drew Afualo?

  There's just like this idea that like if you're open to the universe, you may find a stray cat that loves you and is really cute. And that's, what is it? Cat distribution system. That's what it is.

• 7:15Speaker 02

  Cat distribution system.

• 7:15Drew Afualo?

  Yes, that one.

• 7:17Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 7:17Drew Afualo?

  But I believe that about dogs too. But I can't, I'm, I think I'm capped at the two. Just because, because they are Frenchies, they are allergic to everything and.

• 7:26Speaker 02

  Oh, no.

• 7:27Drew Afualo?

  It is taxing. I would say.

• 7:29Speaker 02

  Cute. I can't get over that.

• 7:30Drew Afualo?

  I know, they're, they're unbelievably cute.

• 7:33Speaker 02

  Here, let me see.

• 7:34Drew Afualo?

  And Squid recently started getting alopecia. Don't know what that says. God doesn't give with both hands.

• 7:39Speaker 02

  I'm sorry.

• 7:40Drew Afualo?

  You can laugh.

• 7:41Speaker 02

  Why is it, why they pick such a funny word?

• 7:46Drew Afualo?

  Well, he has dog alopecia, so it's honestly only on his butt, which is even funnier.

• 7:49Speaker 02

  He has butt alopecia?

• 7:51Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, butt alopecia, if you can believe it. My special boy. And he is very annoying, but he is also the best.

• 7:58Speaker 02

  This is Beans.

• 7:59Drew Afualo?

  Beans. Oh, my gosh, my mom has a dog named Beans.

• 8:01Speaker 02

  Really?

• 8:02Drew Afualo?

  Cute.

• 8:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's, there's, there's cuter photos. Those are the first one I found.

• 8:07Drew Afualo?

  She looks beautiful.

• 8:09Speaker 02

  She's so, um, communicative.

• 8:14Drew Afualo?

  Oh, really?

• 8:15Speaker 02

  She'll look at me like. And I know exactly what's going on. Or she'll, she'll like look at you and make eye contact and like stamp her feet on the ground.

• 8:23Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 8:24Speaker 02

  And like, what do you need? She tells us what she needs.

• 8:27Drew Afualo?

  I know I talk, I talk to both my dogs, even though one of them can't hear me. I still, I still, yeah, I'm saying the energy is flowing through me to him. But I literally had like a nervous breakdown crying randomly the other day. Cause I was on my period, but also because I was thinking about my dog Tuna who's deaf. And he used to not really like being pet on the head or like kissed on the head because it's like overstimulating to him, I think, because he can't hear. So he likes to like see all the time. And but lately, like I would say the last like year, he's been really open to like kisses on the head and the face. But now he closes his eyes, which means he trusts me. I'm gonna make myself cry.

• 9:06Drew Afualo?

  I'm gonna make myself cry. I'm making me and Lucy cry. It's so, it's so beautiful. And then I think about how, how pure like a dog's love is and it truly moves me. Like I'm like, I can't, I can't do it.

• 9:19Speaker 02

  My therapist was recently trying to compare me and my dog. Like I was like talking about this is way too deep. Why the cameras? Should've just asked you for dinner. I had a feeling this was gonna happen.

• 9:31Speaker 02

  But like I was talking about how sometimes it feels like if I have needs, it's like a detriment to my relationships and then people are gonna leave me if I have needs. And then she was like, what about your dog? Your dog has needs and it's simple that your dog has needs.

• 9:43Drew Afualo?

  I can't think about that. I'll start crying and I gotta chill. Can't think about that.

• 9:47Speaker 02

  But then I was like, people do think she has bad behavior and it does alienate some people. And my therapist was like, let's back up. Let's find a different.

• 9:56Drew Afualo?

  That's how I feel.

• 9:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, because she is losing friends for being just really ripped and friendly. And so she hurts people. Not like biting, but she'll, she'll try to put her tongue in your mouth. She'll literally push you into a seated position so that she can stand on you.

• 10:15Drew Afualo?

  That's crazy you say that because my first dog Squid when I had him he had like a a lot of energy like Frenchies generally have a lot of energy but he just loves to play and he loves people he loves dogs he loves everyone so like it was a lot like cuz he's like like going crazy and so like we trained him like we he's very trained and he's a very good boy he doesn't bark he doesn't chew things up nothing but he was just kind of annoying because he's a lot like a lot like it jumps on people too

• 10:46Speaker 02

  Yeah

• 10:46Drew Afualo?

  and my dog Tuna it worked out cuz I was like I need to get him a friend because and that's probably like you need to get her friend

• 10:53Speaker 02

  Yeah

• 10:53Drew Afualo?

  cuz it it really did regulate him like having another buddy but because tuna is completely deaf like he doesn't get overstimulated when he plays with him cuz that was the whole thing with dogs like he's just making so much noise that they would like snap at him and then run away

• 11:06Speaker 02

  That's so perfect

• 11:07Drew Afualo?

  I know so now he's completely deaf so he doesn't care like all he can make all the noise he wants and it doesn't bother him and also tuna loves to stand on people that's his favorite thing I I have no clue but he's like a billy goat like he'll literally stand like on my sternum

• 11:22Speaker 02

  Yeah

• 11:22Drew Afualo?

  and he's thirty pounds

• 11:23Speaker 02

  Do they want eye contact?

• 11:24Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, yeah

• 11:24Speaker 02

  Is that why?

• 11:25Drew Afualo?

  And he's like

• 11:27Drew Afualo?

  like breathing in my face like this close

• 11:29Speaker 02

  Did you know that dogs didn't have eyebrows until recently?

• 11:32Drew Afualo?

  What?

• 11:34Speaker 02

  Yes

• 11:34Drew Afualo?

  Like the bone or like just

• 11:36Speaker 02

  Expressions So they are using their eyebrows to communicate with us they are copying humans

• 11:43Drew Afualo?

  I'm so glad you gave me that piece of information

• 11:45Speaker 02

  Wild and like when I now look at dogs eyebrows and they're very active I'm like you are doing your best human impression you're trying to do our emotions and also like like beans is like Julian's dog and so I'm like you are doing Julian's faces right now

• 12:03Drew Afualo?

  Oh my god, I can't think about that I'm getting married this year.

• 12:09Speaker 02

  You are?

• 12:10Drew Afualo?

  I am.

• 12:11Speaker 02

  Congratulations.

• 12:12Drew Afualo?

  Thank you.

• 12:13Speaker 02

  Do you want to come?

• 12:14Drew Afualo?

  Uh, yeah, like for we. If you're available, you're invited.

• 12:20Speaker 02

  That's so, I love weddings.

• 12:22Drew Afualo?

  Oh, I, I, yeah, I'm like.

• 12:23Speaker 02

  That's so cool.

• 12:24Drew Afualo?

  I am, I'm getting married this summer, um, which I'm excited about, but it is killing me that I can't bring my dogs.

• 12:30Speaker 02

  Why can't you?

• 12:30Drew Afualo?

  I'm having a destination wedding and where I'm going, when I fly them, they have to be quarantined for like two, three weeks. And like they, they're bonded to each other. I can't like separate them for me. From each other. Plus flying frangies is like so tricky, but like, yeah, but I'm, I'm very like devastated at the thought of it. But they've been with us from the very beginning. So like we got squid, I think like a couple of years into being together. Like three or four years. Yeah, I would say.

• 12:56Speaker 02

  Y'all are so cute together, by the way.

• 12:58Drew Afualo?

  Thank you.

• 12:59Speaker 02

  Do you hear this every day or?

• 13:00Drew Afualo?

  Wait, what?

• 13:01Speaker 02

  Do you hear this every day? I don't know if I'm like covering like much trodden ground.

• 13:04Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, no, no, I mean, like I do get that a lot. Yes. But I, I think it's a beautiful thing. I'll take it every time, to be honest with you.

• 13:11Speaker 02

  Good.

• 13:12Drew Afualo?

  Thank you. I think the two of you are really beautiful together as well. Beautiful couples. I love when hot people date hot people.

• 13:18Speaker 02

  So fun.

• 13:18Drew Afualo?

  It's the best.

• 13:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like a two plus two equals thirteen.

• 13:22Drew Afualo?

  No, I know. And I think too, like the, because of my heteronormativity.

• 13:30Drew Afualo?

  My, my man is like, obviously very good looking, but he's also very genuinely nice. And I think that's like, when people meet him, they're like, damn, that's for real. Like, that sucks. And I was like, well, yeah, you should know that because he's with me. Like you should know that he's a good guy because he's with me, me especially.

• 13:50Speaker 02

  You're not gonna be.

• 13:51Drew Afualo?

  I got, I run a real strict program.

• 13:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:53Drew Afualo?

  With men especially.

• 13:54Speaker 02

  No scrubs.

• 13:55Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, yeah, exactly. And that's why I think even sometimes now, like, uh, my fans too, will, like you said earlier, like they're hoping for a lesbian arc for me. And I was like.

• 14:05Speaker 02

  It's a compliment.

• 14:06Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 14:06Speaker 02

  You don't have to do it.

• 14:07Drew Afualo?

  It's the highest of compliments. Trust me, you don't do anything you don't feel comfortable with.

• 14:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:13Drew Afualo?

  Just don't, don't, don't, don't feel pressured. And you know what's funny is like I've said before, like I, in college, I, I for real thought like, maybe I am gay. Like I had that conscious thought, I was like, maybe I am gay because I hated men even more then than I do now. And even now, it hasn't lessened necessarily. I think I just, I, I took a lot of my anger out of it. Now I'm, I've learned to laugh at it a lot more and like move past it. When I was younger, I was like, ah, all the time. I just felt like constantly angry. So I was like, maybe I just, maybe I'm not attracted to them. So I did sample with women and it just didn't take.

• 14:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:48Drew Afualo?

  I tried. I was like, let me try and like see, and it just didn't take.

• 14:52Speaker 02

  One of my favorite archetypes is a straight man that had a bunch of gay sex. It was like, not for me.

• 15:01Speaker 02

  It's a, it's a rare thing, but I've met these people. And I'm like, that's how they find out they're straight? It's like the reverse?

• 15:07Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, they were open to it. I'm like, that is. You must be very open.

• 15:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was like, that's, that's amazing.

• 15:13Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, yeah, I believe you.

• 15:15Speaker 02

  Also what you said you've done, so that's based in cool.

• 15:17Drew Afualo?

  Right. And I think too, that's why, um, I think it's my, and everything about me, sometimes my lesbian friends, I've joked about this on the show before, they'll be like, talking to me and then in the middle of conversation, they'll be like, I forget, I forgot you're straight. That sucks.

• 15:34Drew Afualo?

  That sucks. I'm like, I know, but at least I'm not annoying.

• 15:37Speaker 02

  Truly, just frankly.

• 15:40Speaker 02

  That's, that's, I know it sounds like woo woo, but like, there's no archetype better than actual love.

• 15:47Drew Afualo?

  I agree.

• 15:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:48Drew Afualo?

  I agree.

• 15:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:49Drew Afualo?

  And I think, I, I think too, I'm like, I, I think I'm someone who knows that I'm a, I'm a straity.

• 15:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:56Drew Afualo?

  So I, I, I am a guest in the house of all my gay friends, which is how I see it. And I've said this to someone before too, cause like, one time I saw this video. of this girl and she was like crying because she was realizing that her and one other girl are the only straight people in their group and everybody else is a lesbian. And she was like, now I'm now I'm thinking like they they're only hanging out with me, but I'm the lame one in this group because I'm straight. And I was, uh, it was really funny video, but I commented on it. I was like, honestly, me too. Wear it with pride. Lesbians are notoriously picky.

• 16:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:28Drew Afualo?

  Lesbians are extremely.

• 16:29Speaker 02

  If you're in, you're in.

• 16:30Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, like far pickier than gay men too. So like they're they're very picky with straight girls.

• 16:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:35Drew Afualo?

  Because straight girls can be annoying. And I know that as a straight girl. I can say that as a straight girl.

• 16:41Speaker 02

  I wonder if I was the annoying straight friend before.

• 16:45Drew Afualo?

  I don't think so.

• 16:47Speaker 02

  You don't think so?

• 16:47Drew Afualo?

  I don't think so, only because you're true to this in lesbianism. So I feel like it's always been a piece of you. So maybe that that kept the annoying at bay. I know I was annoying, but that's because I'm a straightie. So I was like, I knew I was annoying when I was younger. And then I grew out of it. Thank God. Now I'm annoying for good.

• 17:06Speaker 02

  Like annoying for good. You're using powers.

• 17:07Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I'm using my powers for good.

• 17:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:09Drew Afualo?

  My evil I use against men. That's also for good.

• 17:11Speaker 02

  What is your evil?

• 17:13Drew Afualo?

  When I'm mean to them.

• 17:14Speaker 02

  Okay, yeah.

• 17:14Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, when I like roast them and make fun of them and

• 17:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:17Drew Afualo?

  tell them like they're awful and terrible.

• 17:19Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 17:20Drew Afualo?

  It's just kind of my thing.

• 17:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:22Drew Afualo?

  I think I think that was another reason why two people were like, oh, then she's either straight or gay. And I was like, no. I'm not. I am straight. I'm not gay, but I'm definitely not single either. So that's kind of a bummer.

• 17:33Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 17:33Drew Afualo?

  For them.

• 17:34Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 17:34Drew Afualo?

  That was always their gotcha on me, men.

• 17:36Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 17:36Drew Afualo?

  They're always like, oh, you're probably single. Wrong. Well, your man's probably ugly. Wrong.

• 17:42Speaker 02

  Wrong.

• 17:42Drew Afualo?

  You're gonna really hate the rest of the answers to the questions.

• 17:46Speaker 02

  Oh, my God. I mean, I I probably hate men less than you. I feel like you

• 17:52Drew Afualo?

  You're right.

• 17:53Speaker 02

  have enough friends, especially like friends who are trans men.

• 17:57Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 17:57Speaker 02

  You're like, you're just like, I want to love the man that you're becoming and then like

• 18:03Drew Afualo?

  I agree.

• 18:04Speaker 02

  people's interest in masculinity. I love masculinity.

• 18:08Drew Afualo?

  I agree.

• 18:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:09Drew Afualo?

  Well, and I think about masculinity too and femininity. I always remind myself too, and I remind people all the time that like gender is so not real, like gender is such a social construct. So like releasing it and all that comes with it is like such a freedom to give yourself like. And I actually saw one of my girlfriends post a video recently where she said like you'll never know true freedom as a woman until you make peace with being found like to being thought of as a bitch or ugly or undesirable.

• 18:40Speaker 02

  My birth mother told me this.

• 18:42Drew Afualo?

  Really?

• 18:42Speaker 02

  She was like, just wait, you're gonna get to be in age where you become invisible. And you are gonna experience freedom and you're gonna finally get to know yourself.

• 18:50Drew Afualo?

  I just got chills.

• 18:51Speaker 02

  Isn't that wild?

• 18:52Drew Afualo?

  That is crazy.

• 18:53Speaker 02

  Dropping heat all the time. She said this other thing, which I've repeat every chance I can get where she was like when I was, I think fifty, I found anger like it was under the bed. And I was angry because I had needed it my whole life.

• 19:08Drew Afualo?

  Damn, that shit's in your bloodline then, girl.

• 19:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:11Drew Afualo?

  Your, your, your artistry is in your bloodline, it sounds like.

• 19:16Speaker 02

  I'm not very good at being angry, like I'm probably the angriest I ever am in music. Like I, I have a goal to like get more angry. I mean, I'm angry about a lot. There's, you could pick any old thing.

• 19:28Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, for real.

• 19:29Speaker 02

  You just look in a direction and there's something to be angry about.

• 19:32Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I agree.

• 19:33Speaker 02

  But, yeah, wanna get, wanna get angrier.

• 19:36Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I mean, that's good. I need to, I, I feel like for me too, I've talked a lot about anger as an emotion, like because I think the way I blew up on social and stuff and like the, the very specific niche that I carved out. It's always when I would do interviews, they'd be like, oh, have you always been this way? Like, or something terrible happened. Or they'll be like.

• 20:00Speaker 02

  What is this way?

• 20:01Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, like, yeah, this way, exactly.

• 20:03Speaker 02

  Like funny?

• 20:04Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I'm assuming it's like hating men, which I like, I say hating men and it's very like nothing burger statement to me when I say I hate men because I, I don't think about them ever. So like I, I never consider them. I don't care about them. Like hate, I guess is like.

• 20:21Drew Afualo?

  Too strong of a word, but like.

• 20:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:23Drew Afualo?

  But I can hate them. They're very.

• 20:24Speaker 02

  So cold.

• 20:25Drew Afualo?

  Right, yeah.

• 20:25Speaker 02

  Amazing.

• 20:27Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I was like, what's worse, like anger indifference? Like, I feel so indifferent towards them. Um, in so many ways, and the fact that I just don't factor them ever. And so like, I, I feel like when I would talk about it, I'd say like, I think a lot of reason why women and other people especially have found like, community with me is because I've like, validated the choice to be angry.

• 20:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:48Drew Afualo?

  Like, to, to be upset about it, like, and however that manifests is really up to you. For me, it's, it's like, when I'm disrespected or attacked, then I'm gonna disrespect you back, and then we're just gonna call it even, like, that's how I've always responded to disrespect. And I think that's why people have found like, community in my, in my content and stuff, because it's like, it's okay if you're upset, like, it's okay if it annoys you, it's okay if you wanna be mean back, that's okay.

• 21:13Speaker 02

  It's also everyone's dream to, like, have a clapback for the ages.

• 21:18Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 21:19Speaker 02

  Like, it's ever, like, you're clever, and so, like, watching you be able to be like, oh, I can hand it back. Everyone wants to hand it back, but it's sometimes so shocking in the moment.

• 21:28Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 21:29Speaker 02

  Especially after, like, if you have a lifetime of being disrespected, it's like, oh, oh, I'm having my familiar feeling and, um, okay, the seconds have passed and everyone's moved on, and you don't get to have that, like,

• 21:40Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 21:40Speaker 02

  immediate, like,

• 21:42Drew Afualo?

  Exactly.

• 21:42Speaker 02

  retribution, and.

• 21:43Drew Afualo?

  Absolutely.

• 21:44Speaker 02

  So it's very fun to watch.

• 21:45Drew Afualo?

  Well, and it's also, I think also too, it's like indicative of how, women especially, but anyone who's not a straight cis man, has been conditioned, which is like, to, to give pause. So it's like, well, I have to be careful what I say, cuz what if what I say is offensive? Or what if, what if what I say hurts them? But men never think that way, like, men, men think things and say them. They don't, they don't have pause, they don't have like, hmm, how is this gonna make everybody in the room feel?

• 22:11Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 22:11Drew Afualo?

  Only, only women and other people have that, like, that they, they're, we're like, I've, I've said before, like, men are used to being considered, and women are used to considering others. So it's like, we're like, conditioned that way from the jump, like, to, to, think of everyone, how's this gonna affect everyone, how's this gonna make everyone feel?

• 22:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:29Drew Afualo?

  Including perpetrators, like including people who are actively pushing harm on us. We're thinking like, well, I don't, you know, that's where that high road shit comes from. Oh, I like to take the high road. Oh, you should take the high road. What is the high road? And why is it only populated by women and gay people?

• 22:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:46Drew Afualo?

  Why are we the only ones up there? Where are all the men? How come they never get to take that?

• 22:49Speaker 02

  Why are we building houses on the highway?

• 22:51Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, why are we doing that and everything fucking else at the same time? And I think, I've talked about that too in regards to like responding to hate, because sometimes when men say awful shit about me, means nothing to me. And then when I say awful shit back, they get offended, like, which is hilarious to me.

• 23:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:08Drew Afualo?

  And everyone else on the internet. But it's also hilarious because the problem is not, it is what I said, but it's more so the fact that it doesn't bother me what they said. So they, they're like, I would never fuck you. Neither would I.

• 23:22Speaker 02

  Cool.

• 23:23Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. Well, then I think, then at that point, I'm like, well, we have a lot in common then, because I wouldn't fuck you either. So we're just two ugly bitches yelling at each other? Is that what we're doing? We're sitting here roasting each other, like, what's the point? Maybe we should be friends.

• 23:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:35Drew Afualo?

  We shouldn't. But I, I think that all the time. Yeah, yeah, it sounds like we have a lot of goals, like, similar.

• 23:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:41Drew Afualo?

  But it's, it doesn't, they're, they think to themselves, like, I don't want to fuck you, but like, I can't believe you don't want me to fuck you.

• 23:48Speaker 02

  Also, like, what made you think that?

• 23:49Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 23:50Speaker 02

  You were thinking about it.

• 23:51Drew Afualo?

  You jumped somewhere.

• 23:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. You were already there.

• 23:54Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 23:55Speaker 02

  And then my personality was too good for you.

• 24:00Drew Afualo?

  A little too much.

• 24:00Speaker 02

  You demoted yourself.

• 24:02Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 24:02Speaker 02

  Just now, by saying that.

• 24:04Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, but when I, yeah, tell them, tell them. I'm telling you. I, I feel like that's like, in my head, it's always been extremely simple to me, like that concept, but when I started doing this for a living, I real, found out really quickly that is not very common, like, that kind of belief. And I think, this is like kind of a weird jump, but not, and we can cut this if you don't want to, but like, the, the whole chapel discourse recently has been pissing me off.

• 24:27Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 24:28Drew Afualo?

  The way people are treating her. But either way.

• 24:30Speaker 02

  It's a psy-op, right?

• 24:31Drew Afualo?

  Right, for real, for real.

• 24:33Speaker 02

  Like.

• 24:33Drew Afualo?

  I, I, I, I agree.

• 24:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:35Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. But also, I was like, you guys don't care, because I saw some, some women saying like, well, you could have just come on here and apologize. For what? Like, again, for what, right? But again, it's, why, why do you pedestalize women like that? You, women are forced to apologize for things they didn't do. They weren't there for it, they didn't see, because you think they should. So the problem is not what happened. The problem you have is that she's not sorry. And doesn't care that you want her to be sorry. For whatever the fuck it is.

• 25:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:07Drew Afualo?

  I was like, that's the part you're struggling with. You're struggling with the fact that she doesn't care. Like, she doesn't care how you personally feel towards how she feels. Because how she feels is how she feels. And I was like, it's very, it's okay for women to be like, uh, I'm sorry that happened. I didn't do anything, though. It's okay for women to do that. It's all right. Like, I've, trust me, I've done it many times.

• 25:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:29Drew Afualo?

  Like, I've had, I've had men say terrible things that I've done to others, which I'm like, no, I haven't. And they're like, well, you said something mean. Well, see, now we're having a different conversation.

• 25:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:38Drew Afualo?

  You want me to blanket apologize for anything ever? Why?

• 25:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:43Drew Afualo?

  And do men ever do that? And I also think when they start holding famous men to that level of standard, then I'll start entertaining it. As soon as they, right, as soon as you start holding men to that level of care, you let me know.

• 25:55Speaker 02

  You know, it's like, dark, is I think some people wish they were being stalked. I think some people think it's romantic, some people like,

• 26:04Drew Afualo?

  Or it's awesome.

• 26:05Speaker 02

  They think like, oh, it's so cool to have people flooding your, you should be grateful that people are, yeah, uh, clamoring for your personal life. And it's like, actually, no, and not a single one of you would enjoy this. And if you did, you are more sick than the people doing it.

• 26:20Drew Afualo?

  Right! I've said that for so, oh, my god.

• 26:23Speaker 02

  If you think that this is enjoyable, or worth invitation, like, that is an illness that, what was sold to you? To believe that?

• 26:32Drew Afualo?

  Right. It's either deep, deep, deep, deep ignorance, or deep psychosis.

• 26:38Speaker 02

  Or like, just insecurity, like, do you need a thousand people to scream, love at you, to feel loved, like, it's really, that's not what life is about. Like, that is not.

• 26:50Drew Afualo?

  It's true. And you know, I did a college talk recently, and... A girl asked me, one of the questions at the end, she was like, you know, um, you know, you're really successful creator and like you started doing other stuff. As someone who wants to do that, like, do you have any advice for us or like for preparation, whatever? And I was like, I'm assuming you mean being an influencer, right? Which I'm like, you should not aspire to that. Oh my God, oh my God, stay in school. I literally told her, I said, first of all, don't aspire to that. Second of all, stay in school. I was like, but third, like, I, I really want to encourage those of you who like, think, when you see, like, whether it's influencer or someone like you, someone like Chapel, anyone famous, right, in any part of Hollywood.

• 27:34Drew Afualo?

  If you see that and you're like, that looks awesome, I want to do that. I really want you to understand, like, what you sacrifice to get it. Like, and I said, like, I don't believe the Illuminati is real. But the exchange that they describe in the Illuminati where you have to sell your soul in order to get it, right, fame, money, whatever it is. There is a sacrifice, there is something you give up in order to get this. And it's sometimes not worth it. And I was like, and I didn't know that. Like, I didn't know that. I had no way of fucking knowing that that would happen to me. Cause like, I'm, speaking of therapy, I joined therapy when I started doing this, thank God, cause I had the money.

• 28:11Speaker 02

  I love join therapy, like it's join the army.

• 28:13Drew Afualo?

  I enlisted in therapy.

• 28:14Speaker 02

  I enlisted into the therapy.

• 28:16Drew Afualo?

  That's my kind of conscription. That's what I'm talking about.

• 28:18Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 28:19Drew Afualo?

  Um, and I, it's because I had the money. So I was like, hell yeah, I want to go to therapy. I had no way of knowing how much I was going to talk about, like, how hard this is. And not like, the work itself is obviously hard and a lot, but it's like being perceived at that level and being ripped apart and dissected many other ways. And being followed, being asked for pictures in public, being bothered in public, like, I had no way of knowing.

• 28:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:45Drew Afualo?

  That, that was, how that was going to make me feel. And I was like, recently telling her that like, I would say like a couple of months ago, that I feel like I started developing agoraphobia.

• 28:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:55Drew Afualo?

  Because I'm like, every time I leave, it's like, oh my god, what are you doing here? Oh my god, can I have a picture? Oh my god, what are you buying? Do you live around here?

• 29:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:03Drew Afualo?

  And it's overwhelming.

• 29:05Speaker 02

  Well, here's the part of the reason why is whoever's in there thinks they're hanging out with us.

• 29:12Drew Afualo?

  You're right, right.

• 29:13Speaker 02

  Like, they think, and you're talking like how they would want to listen to their friend, but with no reciprocal.

• 29:19Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 29:19Speaker 02

  Like, you're, you're probably so cool, whoever you are, for being here. And if we really got lunch, we'd probably all enjoy each other's company.

• 29:27Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 29:27Speaker 02

  But you're not here.

• 29:28Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 29:29Speaker 02

  And we're not your friends. And like.

• 29:32Drew Afualo?

  It's true.

• 29:33Speaker 02

  Like, love.

• 29:34Drew Afualo?

  Love, love.

• 29:35Speaker 02

  But like, I, I, I mean, I've seen this show and I'll be like, this in my bed, I'm not participating.

• 29:41Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 29:42Speaker 02

  But I'll get the whiff of friendship with whoever you're talking to. And I think there must be, like, again, we need a scientist on the case.

• 29:48Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 29:48Speaker 02

  If this is replacing socially, people's actual, real life.

• 29:52Drew Afualo?

  Relationships.

• 29:53Speaker 02

  Connections to other people, like, this, this is not gonna cut it for you.

• 29:58Drew Afualo?

  No.

• 29:58Speaker 02

  Overall.

• 29:59Drew Afualo?

  Oh my god, no, the parasocial relationship, yeah. And you're right, because it's like, younger generations, COVID didn't help either. But it's really like, killed like, in-person connection. And like, and then because it feels so close and because of social media and you feel like you have windows into people's lives, you feel like you know them and you feel like you can talk to them however you want. The way that people approach me sometimes.

• 30:25Drew Afualo?

  Sometimes, like, one time my sister and I did, like, uh, we were on tour a couple of years ago to promote my book, and we were on a comedy tour. And we did meet and greets at every stop. And one of them was, this girl walked up to us and she goes, what's up, you fucking bitches? I said, oh. I said.

• 30:43Speaker 02

  I'm so glad I wasn't drinking tea when you said that, like.

• 30:47Drew Afualo?

  And every time I tell my friends, they're like, oh, and I'm like, right, right out the gate, like, looking at me in the eyes. What's up, you fucking bitches? Hey, what's your name? Nice to meet you.

• 31:00Speaker 02

  What's up, you fucking bitch? Like, is that what you say back? Like, is that the desired response?

• 31:07Drew Afualo?

  I have no, I have no clue. The amount of women, even like, if I go to like, something like a Coachella, if I go to like, something where people are drunk, like, that's probably the worst. And they'll come up and they'll be like, this fucking bitch. This fucking bitch. They always call me a bitch. I don't, I don't know, hey, I don't know what that is.

• 31:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:27Drew Afualo?

  Um, but like, I get it. Like, I use the vernacular and bitch is a genderless term in my, in my vocabulary personally.

• 31:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:33Drew Afualo?

  But I,

• 31:34Speaker 02

  Sometimes girl is a genderless term.

• 31:36Drew Afualo?

  I use girl as a genderless term all the time. Queen, diva.

• 31:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:41Drew Afualo?

  And I, I think like, you're right. It's, it has, because of the access, like, through social media, it has really blurred the lines of like, relationship connection to like, famous people. And I, I genuinely never thought that I would be so like, sick to my stomach to go in public.

• 31:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:00Drew Afualo?

  I like, never in my life thought I would. I'm on meds now. Thanks. Shouts out meds. Love anxiety meds. But I just really never thought that I would ever be someone who needed something like that.

• 32:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:10Drew Afualo?

  In that capacity. And I think it's because I also had an ignorance about, I think, celebrity culture. Because when I was younger, I was like a fangirl too of like, I was a big Jonas Brothers girl.

• 32:20Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 32:21Drew Afualo?

  At one point. It was funny because my first fangirl.

• 32:24Speaker 02

  My friend Ashley was here to talk to you.

• 32:25Drew Afualo?

  Oh, man, we could key down about the Jonas Brothers.

• 32:27Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 32:27Drew Afualo?

  The fir-, my first phase though of fangirl was with, uh, My Chemical Romance. So that was my first.

• 32:32Speaker 02

  That's a, that's a really beautiful hallowed hall of fandom.

• 32:35Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 32:36Speaker 02

  I think people who've ever loved MCR are the best people.

• 32:40Drew Afualo?

  I'm telling you.

• 32:41Speaker 02

  All my friends who are like, still going to the MCR shows are a little dark angels.

• 32:47Drew Afualo?

  Right, for real. My sister and I, like, that was my very first concert, was the Black Parade when I was 10. Which is crazy, a crazy.

• 32:55Speaker 02

  That really shapes a guy.

• 32:57Drew Afualo?

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• 33:35Speaker 02

  Well, does church count?

• 33:38Drew Afualo?

  Hmm, I'll let you decide.

• 33:39Speaker 02

  Okay, I went to a ton of like giant, I saw Zoe Girl, I saw

• 33:43Drew Afualo?

  Oh nice.

• 33:45Speaker 02

  Three Days Grace.

• 33:46Drew Afualo?

  Oh, fun.

• 33:49Speaker 02

  Let me, so the first concert I went to with my friends, without my parents, was Jack's Mannequin, opening for The Fray.

• 33:55Drew Afualo?

  Oh, okay.

• 33:57Speaker 02

  And we sat in the parking lot and we went to our seats and we all belabored our outfits for like, three months. And we were all wearing, I'm pretty sure, a knitted beanie and a different color flannel shirt over a camisole.

• 34:12Drew Afualo?

  Oh, of course.

• 34:13Speaker 02

  But yeah, Jack's Mannequin, those songs, if I hear that, it's gonna, it's

• 34:18Drew Afualo?

  Takes you back.

• 34:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm, I'm singing in a destructive way to my vocal cords. I'm singing in a way that jeopardizes my job.

• 34:28Drew Afualo?

  That's so fun. What's been a really fun concert you've been to recently, or a really awesome one?

• 34:33Speaker 02

  Saw Mitski last night. She's amazing. And it was so cool because, like, I have been seeing her since she was playing like hundred cap venues.

• 34:42Drew Afualo?

  No way.

• 34:43Speaker 02

  This show is

• 34:43Drew Afualo?

  Of course you're on the ground floor of Mitski.

• 34:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:46Drew Afualo?

  Of course you are.

• 34:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, she's a friend, she's like, she's a legend, and

• 34:50Drew Afualo?

  She is.

• 34:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:52Drew Afualo?

  Hell yeah.

• 34:53Speaker 02

  But this show was the most similar to how she started, I think, like, very rock and like loose and

• 35:00Drew Afualo?

  Ooh.

• 35:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, she was playing at Hollywood High School for a week.

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• 35:40Speaker 02

  But what else?

• 35:42Drew Afualo?

  You had a lot going on. I want to talk more about music with you. Can you tell me what you got going on right now? Coming up.

• 35:48Speaker 02

  Of my music?

• 35:49Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 35:49Speaker 02

  I have one song, and it's called "Planning Tomatoes." Literally just one.

• 35:54Drew Afualo?

  Okay. No, I haven't.

• 35:57Speaker 02

  I should play it off my phone.

• 35:58Drew Afualo?

  You can, okay, yeah. Well, no leaks here.

• 36:01Speaker 02

  I wish that you'd heard it.

• 36:02Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 36:05Speaker 02

  It's about how life is short, and how do you go through the day knowing that it will end and that it will end for everyone that you love. So you're like this, you're just like, it's so cute. But it's about how...

• 36:21Drew Afualo?

  It is cute. The melody is very cute.

• 36:23Speaker 02

  The vibe is cute. Yeah, it's fun. And it's about having little ideas that like, your need to execute your ideas is a reason to stay alive. And just like, it's a little bit about reflecting on, I'm older now than some people that I have lost. And that's really odd. And sometimes it can feel like, how dare I have a good day? And then other days, I'm like, that's the best thing I can do is have a good day.

• 36:52Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 36:53Speaker 02

  And like, everyone who has loved me and has gone would ideally want me to have a good day.

• 37:01Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 37:02Speaker 02

  And keep on my little pursuits that, even if they don't matter, they might.

• 37:09Drew Afualo?

  So yeah.

• 37:09Speaker 02

  Might as well.

• 37:10Drew Afualo?

  As long as, as long as they matter to you.

• 37:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:12Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, like, and that's so, I, I think that's beautiful and poignant, which is honestly, your MO for everything you put out is beautiful and poignant and so artistic. But I, I also think too, it's especially imperative right now, because the world is so scary and awful right now. That like, it almost like forces, well, first of all, that's why art is thriving, unfortunately.

• 37:35Speaker 02

  Art is thriving?

• 37:36Drew Afualo?

  I would say in this sense of people are putting out some of their best pieces of work.

• 37:40Speaker 02

  Who's somebody thriving right now?

• 37:43Drew Afualo?

  Hmm.

• 37:44Speaker 02

  Artistically?

• 37:45Drew Afualo?

  Bad Bunny.

• 37:46Speaker 02

  Oh, that loved him.

• 37:47Drew Afualo?

  He was my top artist of twenty twenty five.

• 37:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's in my top five.

• 37:50Drew Afualo?

  I'll say Chapel too, why not?

• 37:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:52Drew Afualo?

  Fuck it. I don't care if that album's old. I don't give a damn.

• 37:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, old also like, it, like old.

• 37:59Drew Afualo?

  In the history of time.

• 38:00Speaker 02

  In the history of time, no, to people, they're like, um, the album came out.

• 38:03Drew Afualo?

  Some music is evergreen.

• 38:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, even like, uh, Lady Gaga's newest album, I loved her album.

• 38:08Drew Afualo?

  I loved Cowboy Carter, so I loved Beyonce's latest album too. There's just so many bangers being put out, I feel like, in a time of really tumultuous geopolitical conflict, just generally, it's awful right now.

• 38:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:21Drew Afualo?

  Even Muna, Muna's putting out some bangers. Oh, we love Muna. And I think your messaging behind the song is beautiful because it's like, sometimes when things are really awful, like we have no choice but to stay present. And like to, to try and enjoy life and like really enjoy things that matter, like put more time and pour more into the things that we really love and that bring us joy.

• 38:45Speaker 02

  There's like a part of, it's so weird to say your own lyrics, but like, it's like you have to live the life you're fighting for. Like, I think a lot of anyone's time could and should be spent working towards a world that they want to see.

• 39:04Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 39:04Speaker 02

  But I know so many friends in organizing that get burnt out.

• 39:07Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 39:07Speaker 02

  So easily, and I'm like, you need to be having fun, like you're here trying to build and defend the world that you want, but like. You can also like sit back and live it to remind yourself that it's worth fighting for in the first place.

• 39:21Drew Afualo?

  Totally, absolutely. And it it it plays into the earlier conversation we had about connection. Because like connecting to other people, humans in in love and friendship and community. Like that's what I think some I got asked a question in an interview once when they're like, when things are terrible like they are now, like, what do you? Think about that makes you feel good or want to keep going? And I was like, honestly, community like. That that's like the only thing that matters in times like now. And it's like connection to other people, people who love you and care about you and cherish you and like. And that means like I always talk about platonic love being like just as if not more important than romantic.

• 39:59Speaker 02

  Highest form of love.

• 40:00Drew Afualo?

  No, for real. Like it's it's. I feel like when I think about it too long, especially how women connect to each other, I'll cry. Because I think about how beautiful it is that women have this expansive. Huge colorful world of emotions that they can reach out and. Share with other women like and I've said like before, like I know what it's like to be loved because I've been loved by women, like women especially. Like the warmth and love from women is incomparable to anyone else. And I think that's why. I also am hold such a high standard for men because. I know what real love feels like, like for real. So it's got to match that at the very fucking least.

• 40:42Drew Afualo?

  Because I think that's really all we have at the end of the day, like all we really have is each other. And I think that's why when people are really homophobic or transphobic, it makes me so fucking angry. But also I'm like, that sucks for you. A life with no gay people or trans people. Boring.

• 40:58Speaker 02

  Literally like my stomach just.

• 41:00Drew Afualo?

  I know.

• 41:01Speaker 02

  Like if I had to just.

• 41:03Drew Afualo?

  It's truly like.

• 41:06Speaker 02

  And my, I've luckily been raised around gay people my whole life because my mom plays piano for uh, community theater.

• 41:13Drew Afualo?

  Love that.

• 41:13Speaker 02

  Richmond, Virginia.

• 41:14Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 41:15Speaker 02

  Uh, shout out Sandy Dacus. Also retiring from being a music, elementary school music teacher.

• 41:20Drew Afualo?

  Oh my god, no way. Congratulations to her.

• 41:22Speaker 02

  Um, good job.

• 41:24Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 41:24Speaker 02

  Mom.

• 41:25Drew Afualo?

  Good job, mom.

• 41:25Speaker 02

  Um, but yeah, I just, I can't imagine life without gay people.

• 41:32Drew Afualo?

  Oh my god, me either.

• 41:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, but I also grew up tangential to that, like.

• 41:38Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 41:38Speaker 02

  A lot of people I grew up with didn't know any gay people.

• 41:41Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 41:42Speaker 02

  It was a sin, like, and I hate to say it, but it's getting worse some places. It might feel like it's getting better in some places, but like, uh, I still have a lot of family in the south and.

• 41:55Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 41:55Speaker 02

  Um, they're getting more radicalized and less loving and, um.

• 42:02Drew Afualo?

  And just more blatant about their hatred and hatefulness.

• 42:06Speaker 02

  It's just wild too, when like, if your main man is Jesus Christ.

• 42:10Drew Afualo?

  Mm-hmm.

• 42:11Speaker 02

  Who, like, was kind to everyone.

• 42:15Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, literally. It's kind of his whole thing.

• 42:18Speaker 02

  It's kind of his whole thing.

• 42:19Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that was kind of his thing, was loving everyone.

• 42:22Speaker 02

  Oh my god, my dad is such a cool guy. He gets cooler by the second. Like, he, we had like a, a time where we weren't as cool and now we are very close friends.

• 42:33Drew Afualo?

  Oh, yay.

• 42:33Speaker 02

  And, um, he, like, recently was like, Lucy, I just realized.

• 42:42Speaker 02

  Jesus didn't charge for healthcare.

• 42:45Drew Afualo?

  That's true.

• 42:46Speaker 02

  He's like, I'm gonna go tell my friends. That Jesus did not charge for healthcare.

• 42:51Drew Afualo?

  And that's true.

• 42:52Speaker 02

  And he means the miracles that Jesus performed on.

• 42:55Drew Afualo?

  Amen. Works in two ways.

• 42:57Speaker 02

  I was like, that is a really great observation.

• 43:00Drew Afualo?

  Right. That's very true. Yeah, try coming back from that one. How's that? And I, you know, it's, it's funny you say that too, because the other day, are you, have you ever watched The Pit? The show?

• 43:10Speaker 02

  I can't handle it.

• 43:11Drew Afualo?

  Really?

• 43:12Speaker 02

  I have not seen it. I will not see it. I'm not doing that.

• 43:17Drew Afualo?

  You're too anxious.

• 43:19Speaker 02

  It's just like really blood and guts.

• 43:21Drew Afualo?

  That's true. It is a lot of blood and guts.

• 43:23Speaker 02

  I'm like, my task at the end of the day is to have the heart rate go down. Like not up. I don't understand.

• 43:31Drew Afualo?

  Like that.

• 43:32Speaker 02

  You can't be stressing me out like that. Like I have to, the best I can do is watch Survivor and.

• 43:37Drew Afualo?

  Oh, T. Okay, we will talk about Survivor in a sec. But for the pit, I was gonna say, I love the pit. I've been watching it recently.

• 43:44Speaker 02

  I bet it's awesome and maybe I will watch it. I'm sorry.

• 43:47Drew Afualo?

  It is awesome, but if you do get stressed out by medical shows, definitely don't watch that one. That one is the most stressful medical show. But it's in a fun way, in a cool way. But I was like talking to my man about this because I was like really high and I was watching the pit and I was like, if I think too much about hospitals being for profit, it'll make me cry. Like it'll make me cry and so angry and I'm gonna do something drastic.

• 44:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:10Drew Afualo?

  I can't, I can't think about it for too long.

• 44:12Speaker 02

  Some people have.

• 44:14Drew Afualo?

  And. And you know what? You know what?

• 44:17Speaker 02

  Some people have.

• 44:19Drew Afualo?

  Some people have and yeah.

• 44:21Speaker 02

  Some people could.

• 44:22Drew Afualo?

  And yeah.

• 44:24Speaker 02

  I don't know anyone.

• 44:26Drew Afualo?

  Not personally, but I do know of it. I know it's happened.

• 44:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:30Drew Afualo?

  But you know.

• 44:32Speaker 02

  You can't ask me anything about that.

• 44:35Drew Afualo?

  But I have no real opinions other than that did happen.

• 44:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:39Drew Afualo?

  And I'm smiling. That's unrelated. Anyways.

• 44:43Speaker 02

  I'm like dipping our toes into like boiling hot water.

• 44:49Drew Afualo?

  For real. And it's like, it's when I think about for-profit healthcare, I think about doctors being put in these impossible positions and nurses where they want to help people. They like literally like want to go to school to learn how to help people just so they can tell them, I can't treat you if you can't pay me money.

• 45:10Speaker 02

  Right.

• 45:10Drew Afualo?

  And the money doesn't go to me.

• 45:11Speaker 02

  And they can't tell you what it's gonna cost either. Here's something for if anyone is listening and you're like really rich, here's something you can do. You can buy people's medical debt at an absolute penny fraction of what they are gonna have to pay.

• 45:26Drew Afualo?

  T.

• 45:27Speaker 02

  And there's some database.

• 45:29Drew Afualo?

  Oh, I, I, we need to be figuring this out.

• 45:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:33Drew Afualo?

  I have to click on the link.

• 45:34Speaker 02

  But you can basically. Uh, not through a charity, but through basic, the, the hospital

• 45:40Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 45:41Speaker 02

  System by people's medical debt.

• 45:43Drew Afualo?

  Oh my god, no way.

• 45:45Speaker 02

  And they would be getting interest on it, would be go to collections and stuff, so.

• 45:51Speaker 02

  Something if someone is like, super generous.

• 45:54Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, hell yeah. I'm glad you told me that, actually. There, there's something similar to that where you can do that for school lunches for kids. So you can like, buy out the year for them, or buy a debt for them, like, cause some, that's another thing. They're like, well, you don't have the money, so you can't eat. But you do have to come to school.

• 46:09Speaker 02

  It's wrong.

• 46:09Drew Afualo?

  Weird.

• 46:10Speaker 02

  Because they need childcare, so the parents can be doing labor eight hours a day.

• 46:16Drew Afualo?

  Capitalism is evil and crushing and, and soulless and awful. And that's why when I think about for-profit healthcare, it like, truly makes me want a mangione.

• 46:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. Say his name.

• 46:29Drew Afualo?

  I'm not gonna say his name.

• 46:34Speaker 02

  You said it.

• 46:37Speaker 02

  Everyone in my life is like, fuck capitalism.

• 46:40Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 46:40Speaker 02

  And I think also, a lot of people in my life are starting to figure out like, how? And like, in day to day, like, how can you personally set up anti-capitalist structures, even if it's just like, giving without getting anything back?

• 46:54Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 46:54Speaker 02

  That's like, there's this book called The Communism of Love, that

• 46:59Drew Afualo?

  Ooh, love.

• 46:59Speaker 02

  ER was on the show, right?

• 47:01Drew Afualo?

  Love ER.

• 47:02Speaker 02

  Love that. Uh, ER gave this book to like, a ton of us and was like,

• 47:07Drew Afualo?

  ER five master gift I've ever, the communism is love.

• 47:11Speaker 02

  The communism of love, and it's like, about how love is innately anti-capitalist because it establishes,

• 47:20Speaker 02

  joyful imbalances. And it's, it's not an exchange economy. Like, when you love a child, the child cannot materially give you back anything.

• 47:26Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 47:27Speaker 02

  Uh, the, with the elderly, or the infirm, or the ill, like, there are reasons why they can't pay you back.

• 47:33Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 47:34Speaker 02

  Either in, like, with money or an exchange economy, and that is a worthwhile, gratifying.

• 47:40Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 47:41Speaker 02

  You, just like, breaking in your head that you have to get something at every turn that That you do something.

• 47:47Drew Afualo?

  I know.

• 47:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:49Drew Afualo?

  Well, and also like similar to that in in sentiment is um in I'm Samoan, so like in in Samoan culture, like there's a saying, I can't remember it, but it's like, it's basically like the the gift is not in receiving, it's in the giving. And it's specifically referring to money. So like in in my culture, we like genuinely believe like you will live a very blessed and favored life if you give, like give and with no expectation of receiving. So that that's how I've been raised was like is truly to do it because you want to and like give because you want to and the point of money of getting money is to give it away. And to to give it to people who need it, to give it to people you love, like to take care of people.

• 48:29Drew Afualo?

  And so that's always how I've always felt about money, like in any regard, like I've always been like, well, there's no point in having this if I can't share it.

• 48:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:37Drew Afualo?

  And I think now, now that I do this for a living, I've, you know, was able to retire my parents, I retired my uncle, like I retired my grandpa, I take care of my whole family. Yeah, and it's like, it's like the best, most amazing feeling in the world.

• 48:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:51Drew Afualo?

  And my parents are still learning how to be okay with being retired because they

• 48:55Speaker 02

  Well, that's a hard change.

• 48:56Drew Afualo?

  They've no, well, they've known nothing but work, like especially my mom and dad, like my parents had us very young, so my mom and dad had my sister at eighteen and then me at twenty. So like I, it's almost like reverse. My mom was always like, we did everything ass backwards, like they had us first, then moved in, then got married.

• 49:14Speaker 02

  That's cool.

• 49:14Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, so they did everything completely backwards, which honestly

• 49:17Speaker 02

  Cute.

• 49:17Drew Afualo?

  I think is really funny because it makes even more sense why I've never looked at marriage as like an end goal thing. Because I was with my man for seven years before we got engaged. So which to some people was like the most insane like timeline in the world, which I was like, why? Don't you want to know the person before you marry them?

• 49:36Speaker 02

  Oh, my god.

• 49:37Drew Afualo?

  I do.

• 49:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:38Drew Afualo?

  Want to live together.

• 49:39Speaker 02

  I can't even, I can't even, I was gonna say, I can't even kiss you if I don't, that's not true.

• 49:44Drew Afualo?

  I

• 49:44Speaker 02

  That's kind of a lie. I'd be kissing.

• 49:47Drew Afualo?

  I do.

• 49:47Speaker 02

  But I do love to be kissing.

• 49:49Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 49:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, I I'm notorious friends to lovers.

• 49:53Drew Afualo?

  Hell, yeah.

• 49:54Speaker 02

  And how do you, you need trust.

• 49:57Drew Afualo?

  That's what I'm saying.

• 49:59Speaker 02

  Have that relationship. I don't, I don't get how people do it the other way.

• 50:03Drew Afualo?

  Me either. I, it, that would kill me. Uh, that would kill me. When the, when I see like Love is Blind, that would kill me.

• 50:09Speaker 02

  I actually can't watch that.

• 50:10Drew Afualo?

  Me either.

• 50:11Speaker 02

  Me, no, The Pit. No Love is Blind.

• 50:13Drew Afualo?

  Okay, I'm learning your boundaries. Okay, got it.

• 50:16Speaker 02

  It's the love shows where I'm like, but you don't mean it. Like, you want something else. You don't actually want love.

• 50:22Drew Afualo?

  I agree.

• 50:24Speaker 02

  Like, to serve a look on television.

• 50:28Speaker 02

  Which is, I think, a sickness.

• 50:30Drew Afualo?

  It, I agree.

• 50:32Speaker 02

  I think also a lot of folks are, uh, seemingly disenchanted quickly, but then once you're in, you're just in it.

• 50:39Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 50:40Speaker 02

  Anyways.

• 50:41Drew Afualo?

  Well, uh, my point being, I think like, that was why, when I was thinking about getting married, I was like, I don't really care how it is, like, how big, how small, like, I, I just wanna be married, like. A lot of people ask me, what's, what are you most excited for, for the wedding? This sounds corny as hell, but to get married, like, I, like, I'm, I'm, I'm excited to marry the love of my life, like, that's literally what I'm fired up about.

• 51:05Speaker 02

  No.

• 51:06Drew Afualo?

  Really don't give a fuck.

• 51:06Speaker 02

  It's a psy-op that you would think that's corny.

• 51:09Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 51:09Speaker 02

  Whatever is like, making love corny is, is an actual psy-op.

• 51:13Drew Afualo?

  You're so right.

• 51:14Speaker 02

  Like, and being like, oh, love is love, like, literally, that's beautiful. Shut the fuck up. Like, anybody who thinks that that is not like, the magic of the universe and the reason that we're here, like, I. It actually makes me work tough.

• 51:33Drew Afualo?

  Getting worked up about love, I get it.

• 51:35Speaker 02

  Yes, and how people think that it's like gauche, or like, uh, buyable, or, um, just an aesthetic, or.

• 51:42Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 51:43Speaker 02

  Girlie also, the fact that like, if love is girly, like, that's a problem.

• 51:48Drew Afualo?

  Love is so girly.

• 51:49Speaker 02

  Putting it on the girls to do the loving.

• 51:51Drew Afualo?

  They're like, fellas, is it gay to love?

• 51:54Drew Afualo?

  Is it gay to love? Kind of. Tell me, is it gay to fall in love?

• 51:58Speaker 02

  I think, in a good way, yeah.

• 52:01Drew Afualo?

  For you it is, yes.

• 52:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, fellas, it's gay love.

• 52:04Drew Afualo?

  It's, and you know what? Get into it.

• 52:06Speaker 02

  For some.

• 52:06Drew Afualo?

  You have to, and you know.

• 52:08Speaker 02

  It's your one task.

• 52:09Drew Afualo?

  You're right, though, like, it's, a lot of the world's problems would be solved with love.

• 52:13Speaker 02

  And, like.

• 52:15Drew Afualo?

  More of it.

• 52:15Speaker 02

  I think if people accepted that they're gonna die.

• 52:21Speaker 02

  I think people could be loving more. I think people could be fearing death less.

• 52:25Drew Afualo?

  That's true. That's actually such a good point.

• 52:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:30Drew Afualo?

  The two extremes. I love that.

• 52:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:32Drew Afualo?

  That's perfect.

• 52:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:33Drew Afualo?

  No, you're right, though, about the death thing especially. You're so right. I've, I've like, kind of been talking through that too in therapy, like.

• 52:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, it's hard to do.

• 52:43Drew Afualo?

  Right, but I also, I don't, I don't want to say I don't fear death because that's not, I don't think I fear it.

• 52:49Speaker 02

  You have to fear it to stay alive. You need to be crossing the street at the right time.

• 52:52Drew Afualo?

  Exactly. So it's like, I don't want to say don't fear it. I think I'm just not afraid. I, I guess is the word. Like, it, it doesn't scare me. I, I do avoid, I do want to avoid it.

• 53:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:01Drew Afualo?

  If I can.

• 53:02Speaker 02

  I'd rather not.

• 53:02Drew Afualo?

  I'd rather not.

• 53:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:03Drew Afualo?

  I got, I do have some stuff next week, so I'd rather not.

• 53:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:06Drew Afualo?

  But, that being said, um, I think I've made peace with it in a way that's like, I think what I fear more is people I love dying.

• 53:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:14Drew Afualo?

  I fear that more than me.

• 53:15Speaker 02

  What I fear the most.

• 53:20Drew Afualo?

  First love is wine, now we're talking about our deepest fears.

• 53:22Speaker 02

  What I fear the most, the fact that we got to what I fear the most.

• 53:24Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 53:25Speaker 02

  But it's other people in my life dying unfulfilled or with regrets, which I don't even have control over, which is like why I would fear it.

• 53:34Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 53:35Speaker 02

  It's like, if I'm like on, if I'm with a loved one and they're like, I did it wrong, that's, and they're gone.

• 53:41Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 53:42Speaker 02

  That is like the worst thing I can think of.

• 53:44Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 53:45Speaker 02

  Luckily, like, I think

• 53:48Speaker 02

  some people in my life are tilting towards

• 53:52Speaker 02

  feeling good and proud of themselves.

• 53:53Drew Afualo?

  Oh, totally.

• 53:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, hopefully that's the arc of life, but I don't think people consider their, their last moments enough as a motivating force to be someone you're proud of day to day.

• 54:06Drew Afualo?

  That's so true. And it, well, and I also think too, they like, they're, my, my man and I were actually just talking about this recently about like, this fallacy of like legacy. Like, oh, I want to like, I want to leave a legacy behind. That's also a huge pillar in like misogyny. That, that's another reason they, they do this weird shit because they're like, I need to leave something. I need to leave something behind. But I feel like. When you're so focused on that, you you look at it in a way, in a capitalist way, or in a way like that's like, I need to like, make a name for myself in that way, like I need to be famous, I need to be rich, I need to be something like that. Um, but there are like, there's someone like that I lost during covid, who I will never forget, and it devastates me that she won't be at my wedding, because she was my cousin.

• 54:48Drew Afualo?

  But she was someone who, legacy, you want to talk about legacy, like, she was just the best person I've ever met. So like, I'll never forget her, no one who's ever met her will ever forget her, because of that. And that's purely love, that there, there was no fame, there was no money. It was like, just the way she moved in life was so beautiful and big and colorful and profound, and it touched everyone, and she was friends with everybody. And everybody loved her, so it was like, that's to me, legacy. Like, that's like, that's something that matters, that's something that that people give a fuck about, people will remember, will carry with them. And I think too often, it's put on like, materialist possessions, like material things, or like, um, intangible things, like being famous, like it's, which are so

• 55:31Drew Afualo?

  moot, I guess, like at the end of it all, it really doesn't, none of that fucking matters, like at the end of it. So I feel like, you're right about making peace with like, not being so afraid of it. Like, not being so afraid of death, and more so focusing, I think that helps you focus on the now.

• 55:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:47Drew Afualo?

  Even more so, like you said.

• 55:49Speaker 02

  The legacy is like, the piece of yourself you leave in other people. Like, it's not like the castle that you build for them to live in.

• 55:59Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 55:59Speaker 02

  Um, moving to LA, like, I I didn't grow up around, like, rich people, pretty much, at all.

• 56:05Drew Afualo?

  Same.

• 56:05Speaker 02

  And then, yeah, and then, then coming here, it's wild.

• 56:09Drew Afualo?

  It's way different.

• 56:10Speaker 02

  And the way that people are even just raised to think about, I'm like, you are playing Monopoly? Like, and maybe literally doing Monopoly, like, I, like, the game that was made after you, like, I, the real goal is to stack and hoard, actually, and there's this like, shame, and if you size down, and it's really wild, like, even having friends where I feel like I have to like gently just be like, you know, it's okay to have a job.

• 56:44Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 56:45Speaker 02

  It feels really weird to say that to someone. I'm.

• 56:50Speaker 02

  Like everyone in my life had jobs, like I was just like.

• 56:52Drew Afualo?

  I had jobs like.

• 56:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, what were some of your jobs?

• 56:55Drew Afualo?

  I was an assistant in like an office once. I was like an assistant to a publicist. I was a waitress. I was a booth bitch. That's the fun term I like to call it, but I just used to work booths at like festivals and stuff.

• 57:09Speaker 02

  Oh, cool.

• 57:10Drew Afualo?

  For nothing fun.

• 57:11Speaker 02

  Food things?

• 57:12Drew Afualo?

  No, it was for nothing fun.

• 57:13Speaker 02

  Booth, okay.

• 57:14Drew Afualo?

  I did this very specific job where I worked for my mom right after I got out of college and I would, um, basically I was doing outreach for uh, major infrastructure projects, which is a fancy bitch term for me going door to door and telling you about construction. And your commute's gonna suck for the next like fifteen years. Cool with that? And I would get like screamed at on porches. So I did that for a bit.

• 57:39Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 57:39Drew Afualo?

  I worked for the NFL.

• 57:41Speaker 02

  What'd you do?

• 57:42Drew Afualo?

  I did uh, social media for them. Yeah, I worked for.

• 57:45Speaker 02

  You like throw that ball?

• 57:48Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I was saying touchdown.

• 57:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:51Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. Yes, exactly.

• 57:53Speaker 02

  Good job, number four.

• 57:56Drew Afualo?

  Exactly. You nailed it. Yeah, that was honestly probably one of my worst jobs. I think the hardest job I've ever had was a waitress, but.

• 58:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:04Drew Afualo?

  What about you?

• 58:05Speaker 02

  Um, I was a waitress for four days. Uh, my friend actually had a job at a Chinese restaurant on our block.

• 58:11Drew Afualo?

  Okay.

• 58:12Speaker 02

  And they had finals and they got, but they fired somebody and they booked my friend for um, doubles for a full week over finals. And so my friend, it was a loose operation.

• 58:23Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 58:24Speaker 02

  Was like, I'm gonna teach you how to do my job and you're gonna show up for me.

• 58:27Drew Afualo?

  Oh, okay.

• 58:28Speaker 02

  And the people, but my friend also like spoke Chinese and I did not. And the, the chef and the owner were both Chinese.

• 58:35Drew Afualo?

  They're not gonna notice the difference between you and I.

• 58:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:38Drew Afualo?

  Just get in there.

• 58:38Speaker 02

  And I showed up and like basically they were like, pick up the phone when someone calls, write down, find it in the menu, put it back. Didn't train me on if someone walked in because everyone was doing takeout orders. And so then when the first people came in like, hey, we'd like to eat here. I'm like.

• 58:56Drew Afualo?

  Like, um, I'll be right back.

• 58:58Speaker 02

  Uh, I'm like, where are the utensils? Where are the napkins? And they're like, we need water. Like, it was, it was really bad.

• 59:04Drew Afualo?

  You were like, kind of a waitress.

• 59:05Speaker 02

  And like, my friend told me that I would get a shift meal, but I think that the, the chef was so mad I was there, I was not fed.

• 59:13Drew Afualo?

  So you're not even eating?

• 59:15Speaker 02

  And I think also it was like-

• 59:16Drew Afualo?

  She doesn't get to eat, she sucks.

• 59:18Speaker 02

  The place is closed now. I think it was like a two dollars and seventy-five cents an hour that you're supposed to-

• 59:25Drew Afualo?

  Were you working in the nineteen twenties? What the hell?

• 59:27Speaker 02

  I was working in Richmond, Virginia. But it's like at the, they're supposed to pay you up to minimum wage and they're hoping that tips will get you to over minimum wage without them. But they did not do that. So I made two dollars and seventy-five cents an hour. It was like, yeah, it was about a week of that.

• 59:47Drew Afualo?

  Damn. Yeah, my serving job wasn't very long either. I think I worked there for like, three and a half months, four months. Got fired. I've told the story before. Well, I got put on call. I got put on call, uh, because the manager was mad at me that I wouldn't work over Christmas. And I was living in Hawaii at the time because I was going to school. So I, that was my second job. I had a different job. So that was my second job. It was like my fun job. I used to get tipped out really heavy because, um, it was like a high-end steak restaurant. But it was-

• 1:00:15Speaker 02

  Here?

• 1:00:16Drew Afualo?

  No, in Hawaii.

• 1:00:16Speaker 02

  Okay, right.

• 1:00:17Drew Afualo?

  It was like a-

• 1:00:18Speaker 02

  You just said that.

• 1:00:18Drew Afualo?

  It was like a high-end steak restaurant, but I had to wear khaki shorts and like a t-shirt. And, which is kind of strange, but then I like the, my last day on, like, on my regular shifts, I trained a guy. Who was terrible and I thought he was giving me more responsibility having me train. So I was like, oh my God, okay, perfect. I'm gonna like, teach him how to be great. And then he kept leaving in the middle of the shift and I found out he was smoking meth in the bathroom, which is a bummer.

• 1:00:44Speaker 02

  That is a bummer.

• 1:00:45Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, so then I was like, damn, bummer. I gotta tell the guy, he smokes meth. I don't know if you want that in the restaurant. And then when I went out there to go tell him, he was like, you're fired.

• 1:00:54Speaker 02

  And the fella is in.

• 1:00:56Drew Afualo?

  Yes. He was like, you just trained your replacement. And I said, okay. So I didn't tell.

• 1:01:01Speaker 02

  That's tricky.

• 1:01:02Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. So I just didn't tell him about the meth thing because I figured, well,

• 1:01:05Speaker 02

  You'll find out.

• 1:01:06Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, you'll see. And they did the next day on shift, like he left in the middle of the shift again to go smoke meth. And then was like, I guess hungry at some point. So then he left again in the middle of the shift and he made himself a dessert. And was sitting in the very back of the freezer and they couldn't find him. And then he was back there eating.

• 1:01:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:23Drew Afualo?

  That's why I got fired. The funny part about that story too, is that every time I tell that story, I'll tell it in great detail. Sometimes I'll tell a truncated version like that. And then there's always at least two dingbats in the comments going, meth doesn't make you hungry. So yeah, um, I think it was weed. So yeah. As if they were fucking there. Talk about parasocial. I was like, hey, did you laugh? Okay. First of all, fuck off. If you laughed, you fuck off. If not, I know the difference. I know the difference between meth and weed, believe it or not.

• 1:01:55Speaker 02

  Believe it or not.

• 1:01:56Drew Afualo?

  Smell. Believe it or not. So like I, I, I know what weed smells like and I know what meth smells like. I just had to say that because every time they posted, they're like, um, meth makes you not hungry. So. Man, yeah. So yeah, I mean, I would check that detail of the story. So.

• 1:02:12Speaker 02

  Are they like a teenager who looked it up on Reddit?

• 1:02:15Drew Afualo?

  Oh, I'm sure.

• 1:02:16Speaker 02

  That's the thing. I feel like.

• 1:02:16Drew Afualo?

  Unless they're a meth head, I'm not taking your word for it.

• 1:02:19Speaker 02

  Meth head in your comments like, actually from my experience.

• 1:02:24Drew Afualo?

  Actually, that's not true. So yeah, I'm not actually hungry right now. So I never hungry when I smoke meth.

• 1:02:30Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 1:02:31Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. So anywho, that was my experience serving, but it was a very, very awful job. Mostly because I had never had human interaction, like when I was a waitress. I literally told someone, I feel like some people leave their homes with the intention of ruining the life and day of a server.

• 1:02:52Speaker 02

  They're ready.

• 1:02:53Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:53Speaker 02

  That's what they're paying for is the opportunity to humiliate and degrade you.

• 1:02:58Speaker 02

  I even, so my grandma's ninety six and she's not, I would say, an awful person.

• 1:03:03Drew Afualo?

  Okay.

• 1:03:03Speaker 02

  She, but at a restaurant, she was raised, she also has been through the depression. Like she's very, she's like a bit of a hoarder. Um, there's a lot going on there. Uh, she has dementia at this point. Love her. Grandma. Uh, she is walking in deciding if she's gonna give a tip or not. The tip at most is two dollars if you're awesome. And like, she's testing you to see if you earn this tip. And one thing she'll do is like, look at the menu and then just see what ingredients are back there and be like, make this. Like, she's not ordering a thing. She's like, I see you have salmon. I see you have broccoli. I assume you have salt.

• 1:03:48Speaker 02

  We're gonna do like a different.

• 1:03:50Drew Afualo?

  Go ahead and whip me up a bowl.

• 1:03:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:53Drew Afualo?

  She's doing a secret menu at every restaurant?

• 1:03:55Speaker 02

  She is. Every restaurant is just someone's kitchen.

• 1:04:00Drew Afualo?

  I love when they're like, um, I want a hamburger. We don't have that. Well, do you have bread and meat? Sounds like you got a hamburger back there. Go ahead and whip that up for me.

• 1:04:06Speaker 02

  Mash it up.

• 1:04:07Drew Afualo?

  She's honestly kind of hilarious for that. My grandpa's similar to that too.

• 1:04:10Speaker 02

  She also smoked hookah on her, I think, eightieth birthday.

• 1:04:14Drew Afualo?

  Period.

• 1:04:15Speaker 02

  And yeah, she's an absolute icon.

• 1:04:17Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. My grandpa is, loves to drink, loves Michelob Ultra. Specifically, and he's a big smoker. So like, my grandpa's been smoking cigarettes since he was fucking probably like eleven. So he, he's a big smoker. And I remember one time my mom was like, trying to put like, life insurance policies in place. For like, for my grandpa, but like, cause he just refused to go and hates the doctor and all that. So like, my mom had to do like, an end of life kind of life insurance policy because he would just never qualify because he's a chain smoker and a drinker. But my mom was like, when they come to like, do the little intake form, right, to see if you qualify, do me a favor, can you lie a little bit about how much you smoke?

• 1:04:58Drew Afualo?

  Like the cig- this is one of my grandpa's smoking cigarettes. Now he vapes, but like, he's smoking cigarettes. He goes, yeah, yeah, yeah. Then they come and do the intake. They're like, so do you smoke? He says, yeah. They're like, how much? He goes, like, two packs. And they're like, oh, okay, like a week. And he goes, no, a day. My grandpa was smoking Marlboro Reds, two packs a day, at one point. I was like, oh. And my grandpa's gonna outlive everyone. I'm like convinced.

• 1:05:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:21Drew Afualo?

  I don't know, there's something in that.

• 1:05:23Speaker 02

  Again, we need the science. Actually, I don't even wanna say this, because smoking's bad.

• 1:05:28Drew Afualo?

  I I will say the science on old people who have been smoking.

• 1:05:31Speaker 02

  That's what I'm saying.

• 1:05:32Drew Afualo?

  Because there's so many ancient baddies that are smoking.

• 1:05:36Speaker 02

  And is it just the the like, the consistency that their bodies are attuned to? Like, did they just teach their body at a young age? Again, the science is not here. We do not have a science.

• 1:05:47Drew Afualo?

  And we are not advocating for it.

• 1:05:49Speaker 02

  A scientist.

• 1:05:50Drew Afualo?

  I want more so want to understand it. Like, how did it happen?

• 1:05:52Speaker 02

  I do. Yeah, I think this is something I'll.

• 1:05:54Drew Afualo?

  Kind of like the dinosaurs. Like, I'm just like, I'm not gonna do anything really with the info. I just want to know.

• 1:05:59Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:05:59Drew Afualo?

  Have you seen the dinosaur Netflix documentary?

• 1:06:01Speaker 02

  No, how'd they do that?

• 1:06:03Drew Afualo?

  Oh, my. Oh, well. I was like, they went back in time.

• 1:06:06Speaker 02

  I feel like this is an April Fools thing.

• 1:06:09Drew Afualo?

  No.

• 1:06:14Speaker 02

  Have you seen the dinosaur documentary is something that someone would have said to me in the fourth grade and I would have been like, what?

• 1:06:20Drew Afualo?

  It would have been like one of those trick things where I was like, oh, have you heard from Joe? And then they say Joe Mama.

• 1:06:25Speaker 02

  That's what I see.

• 1:06:26Drew Afualo?

  Something about dinosaurs.

• 1:06:28Speaker 02

  I do. I feel like we're about to be.

• 1:06:30Drew Afualo?

  I'm gonna get you.

• 1:06:33Speaker 02

  For being stupid.

• 1:06:35Drew Afualo?

  That's a real. Well, well, that's a real documentary.

• 1:06:38Speaker 02

  Okay, tell me about it.

• 1:06:39Drew Afualo?

  There's a dinosaur documentary on Netflix. It's narrated by Morgan Freeman. It's really good. It's very informative and honestly, kind of beautiful. You should watch it.

• 1:06:47Speaker 02

  What are they documenting?

• 1:06:49Drew Afualo?

  They're they're documenting. Well, obviously, it's all animation of of said dinosaur.

• 1:06:53Speaker 02

  Thank you for saying that.

• 1:06:56Drew Afualo?

  It's like 3D printed dinosaurs. No, it's literally all animation, but it looks really real. But like, it's not.

• 1:07:04Speaker 02

  It's like Planet Earth, but dinosaurs.

• 1:07:06Drew Afualo?

  Yes, I love Planet Earth.

• 1:07:07Speaker 02

  Love Planet Earth.

• 1:07:08Drew Afualo?

  Do you like documentaries?

• 1:07:09Speaker 02

  Um, I have in my life and then I took kind of a dark turn. It was like, I've learned too much and I need to.

• 1:07:15Drew Afualo?

  Me too.

• 1:07:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:16Drew Afualo?

  I went through a phase like that, too. Sometimes I like, when I watch ones, especially ones when they're like. Uh, murder cases kidnapping things, whatever.

• 1:07:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:24Drew Afualo?

  Especially because the victim's almost always a woman.

• 1:07:27Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:07:27Drew Afualo?

  When I would watch those, I felt like I was like studying, like just in case someone, something tries to happen to me.

• 1:07:33Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh, I used to.

• 1:07:35Drew Afualo?

  Tape, like studying. I was like, I have to be aware of all of the potential threats around me.

• 1:07:39Speaker 02

  Okay, cool.

• 1:07:40Drew Afualo?

  That's how I felt like.

• 1:07:41Speaker 02

  I call that OCD now. Personally.

• 1:07:44Drew Afualo?

  You can never understand what that means to me that you said that right now because I am sniffing around an OCD diagnosis.

• 1:07:51Speaker 02

  Sniffing, yeah.

• 1:07:51Drew Afualo?

  With my therapist.

• 1:07:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:52Drew Afualo?

  I told my therapist, and this was one of the few times I've made her laugh, and yes, I keep count. Because she keeps, she keeps me at arms length and I really want so badly to come to her. But she's like, no, I just found out she was married recently and also bi, and I did not know that.

• 1:08:06Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:08:06Drew Afualo?

  And I was like, oh, my God, I have a gay therapist? Yes! I was feeling so, oh, thank God.

• 1:08:11Speaker 02

  That's great.

• 1:08:12Drew Afualo?

  Oh, I felt so liberated by it, but.

• 1:08:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:14Drew Afualo?

  I'd been seeing her for a year, but still.

• 1:08:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:16Drew Afualo?

  I just found that out about her.

• 1:08:17Speaker 02

  That's great. I've had a lot of therapists that I know so much about their life. Because you go in and like, say like, how are you? And like, I do kind of want to move on from that, but I can't help but ask. And I have a great therapist now that is like awesome. But I've had therapists that are like, oh, you know, like I went camping with my boyfriend and my sister's really bought. This has happened multiple times where I, it's like I'm phoning a friend and they're just like telling me so much. And I'm like, well, how did you feel about what your mom said?

• 1:08:48Drew Afualo?

  Now you're the therapist.

• 1:08:49Speaker 02

  And then I brought it up with the therapist and I was like, hey, I've noticed that like, we kind of split time. Like.

• 1:08:56Drew Afualo?

  We're fifty fifty.

• 1:08:56Speaker 02

  We're about fifty fifty, like half an hour begin, we were talking about you and then we get into myself for about half an hour. And he was like, um, well, I'm mirroring, I'm, I'm trying to set an example of openness that you can mirror.

• 1:09:13Drew Afualo?

  What kind of gaslight ass fucking.

• 1:09:17Speaker 02

  It was wild.

• 1:09:18Drew Afualo?

  Well, why don't you take some fucking notes, Lucy?

• 1:09:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:20Drew Afualo?

  Because that's how you're open.

• 1:09:21Speaker 02

  It was like you, what, actually, he was like, you like need to feel that this is a reciprocal, like, he, yeah. And it kept going and I stayed with that therapist for a year.

• 1:09:33Drew Afualo?

  Like, and that being said, I did find, I did end up losing him a year later.

• 1:09:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:38Drew Afualo?

  I ended up changing therapists.

• 1:09:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:39Drew Afualo?

  I feel, my, my last therapist was great. Um, I loved her. She was awesome. But there were points where sometimes she would say things like. Like if I'm talking about cultural stuff, like I feel like there has to be a cultural understanding too, if you and your therapist are not the same ethnicity. I feel like there has to be some sort of cultural understanding. So like, sometimes she would say things like, "Well, why don't you just set boundaries with your family?" And I'm like, "Well, now you're just talking stupid to me."

• 1:10:06Speaker 02

  No, yeah.

• 1:10:08Drew Afualo?

  I'm like, "Mwah." Cause like, we are working on boundaries, but like, the way she would tell me to do it, it would just be like, "You should just tell them."

• 1:10:16Speaker 02

  Just do that.

• 1:10:17Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that's not how it works in my family.

• 1:10:19Speaker 02

  I also don't think, I think therapists are not actually supposed to tell you what to do.

• 1:10:22Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:10:22Speaker 02

  I think they're supposed to kinda like, guide you to your own.

• 1:10:25Drew Afualo?

  Towards the end, she was kinda like, "Hey, so I'm leaving. See ya." Like, she was leaving the like, company I'm with, and I was like, "Oh, okay." So then I found a new therapist and I love her.

• 1:10:36Speaker 02

  Okay, great.

• 1:10:37Drew Afualo?

  Love her. But I did, back to the OCD thing.

• 1:10:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:40Drew Afualo?

  I am sniffing around that.

• 1:10:41Speaker 02

  I have realized, as a kid, did you ever look up ways to die? And then, how to avoid it?

• 1:10:49Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 1:10:50Speaker 02

  Yeah. See? I think it's a pretty common thing.

• 1:10:53Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 1:10:54Speaker 02

  Well, they had that show too, like A Thousand Ways to Die.

• 1:10:56Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 1:10:56Speaker 02

  And I would be like, "Now, how would I avoid that?" And I'd be on the computer, like, you know, how to, like, what shoes should I wear in this situation?

• 1:11:06Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:11:06Speaker 02

  I was always really scared of, um, quicksand.

• 1:11:10Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:11:11Speaker 02

  Luckily, I haven't had, actually, well, first.

• 1:11:17Speaker 02

  Okay. If you get in quicksand, you need to go sideways and pull yourself out. You can't be climbing because you're gonna extend the area that is not secure.

• 1:11:29Drew Afualo?

  And sink faster.

• 1:11:31Speaker 02

  I went hiking in Scotland with my friend.

• 1:11:34Drew Afualo?

  Okay.

• 1:11:35Speaker 02

  And it's beautiful, there's moss everywhere, and I'm just walking, and suddenly, I'm swallowed by the earth.

• 1:11:42Drew Afualo?

  Oh, my god!

• 1:11:44Speaker 02

  There is the ground, and then it wasn't the ground, and I am in the earth.

• 1:11:48Drew Afualo?

  What the hell?

• 1:11:49Speaker 02

  And my quicksand knowledge.

• 1:11:52Speaker 02

  Saved my life because I got swallowed by a bog and I went, I kicked my feet up and went parallel with the ground and I pulled myself

• 1:12:02Drew Afualo?

  Oh my god.

• 1:12:04Speaker 02

  Um, and it was the same situation that if I had like tried to lift myself, I would have just been breaking off more. And it's really scary because if your head goes under the ground, it go, like the moss goes back. So you can't really see.

• 1:12:15Drew Afualo?

  What kind of Harry Potter ass forest were you guys hiking in?

• 1:12:19Speaker 02

  It was a beautiful, like Scottish, like there's.

• 1:12:22Drew Afualo?

  They have a quicksand in Scotland?

• 1:12:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, it probably sounds like the Dergo Ringel or something. Like, I don't remember.

• 1:12:30Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:31Speaker 02

  It was, it was something, uh, rarely said in, in a, in a life like mine, but it was amazing. It was, I felt so elated that like my, my like child fear knowledge. Okay. I'm like, okay. So this validates all of that time I spent on Google.

• 1:12:50Drew Afualo?

  Everything I've ever said, yes.

• 1:12:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. This is, I need to keep, it was probably not good for me, honestly, but.

• 1:12:55Drew Afualo?

  I thought, I would think that too. Like I would, I would always think like, well, I have to know. Like I would tell my mom, like whenever I would find something new that I would, I would like find something. And I'm like, I need to learn everything there is to know about this, just in case.

• 1:13:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:10Drew Afualo?

  Just in case someone asks me, or I myself find myself in that situation.

• 1:13:15Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 1:13:15Drew Afualo?

  And I've said this on the show before, but like one of them is Titanic. Like I was, I was very.

• 1:13:20Speaker 02

  My brother has the Titanic gene, whatever, whatever you have.

• 1:13:23Drew Afualo?

  Whatever the hell that is. Yeah. I was just really fascinated by the Titanic, but I learned about the Titanic before the movie came out, like in, when I was a kid. So I literally was so into it. I needed to learn literally everything that my mom would buy me books and I would study up on it. And, cause it was just so fascinating, the fact that they'd never had a ship like that before. They were ill-equipped for the ocean.

• 1:13:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:45Drew Afualo?

  They'd never made that journey at that time, especially in the winter. I was like doing all this research. Then I watched the movie and after the movie was over, I like told my mom, I was like, is that a true story? And she was like, what, like Jack and Rose? And I go, yeah. She goes, no. And I go, what's the fucking point?

• 1:14:01Speaker 02

  What's the point?

• 1:14:01Drew Afualo?

  What was the point of that movie?

• 1:14:02Speaker 02

  And that's why you love documentaries?

• 1:14:03Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I, yes, I watched the movie. I said, they didn't talk about the ship. They didn't talk about the class system happening. They didn't talk about the captain. I was like, they didn't cover any of the high points.

• 1:14:11Speaker 02

  Do you know about the Titanic conspiracy theory?

• 1:14:14Drew Afualo?

  Which one?

• 1:14:14Speaker 02

  Okay, I'm gonna say this. I love that you said which one.

• 1:14:18Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, let's not skip over that.

• 1:14:21Drew Afualo?

  There's plenty.

• 1:14:22Speaker 02

  I'm gonna start and then you take over, okay?

• 1:14:23Drew Afualo?

  Okay, if I, if I know it, I'll, I'll take over.

• 1:14:25Speaker 02

  Weren't there a bunch of banking people who were, had tickets to be on the Titanic?

• 1:14:30Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 1:14:30Speaker 02

  And they all returned their tickets at, like, the week before? And there were other banking people on the boat? And so there's this conspiracy theory that it was meant to

• 1:14:44Drew Afualo?

  Crash.

• 1:14:44Speaker 02

  Crash in order to form, like, it would have major global economy implications.

• 1:14:52Drew Afualo?

  What?

• 1:14:52Speaker 02

  And it's, I think maybe there's still, like, the banks that we think of as big.

• 1:14:56Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:57Speaker 02

  The people who were in charge of them at that time are the people that didn't get on the Titanic.

• 1:15:02Drew Afualo?

  I just got chills.

• 1:15:03Speaker 02

  And I could have made that up.

• 1:15:04Drew Afualo?

  I've never heard that one before.

• 1:15:06Speaker 02

  I think there are parts of it that are true.

• 1:15:09Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, well, honestly, at this point, yeah, probably.

• 1:15:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:13Drew Afualo?

  I feel like we've been exposed to so many, like, cracks and terrible things, like, in America's history, just generally speaking. We've known for a long time, but now, even especially now, like, there's been so many other things where you're like, it goes all the way to the top.

• 1:15:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:27Drew Afualo?

  So I wouldn't be surprised, to be honest. I guess is my point. At this point, I'll, I'll believe anything like that, especially if it has to do with the elite.

• 1:15:34Speaker 02

  That's so sad.

• 1:15:35Drew Afualo?

  Saying, rich and powerful.

• 1:15:36Speaker 02

  We should not be used to this.

• 1:15:39Drew Afualo?

  No, absolutely.

• 1:15:40Speaker 02

  The dazzle camouflage is working and

• 1:15:43Drew Afualo?

  This is, this is genuinely a very insane pivot, but I will relate back to what we're talking about. Are you familiar with the show Paradise at all?

• 1:15:51Speaker 02

  Is Paradise the one?

• 1:15:54Speaker 02

  No, I'm thinking Bachelor in Paradise.

• 1:15:57Speaker 02

  Which I have to say, I haven't seen. But seems cool.

• 1:16:02Drew Afualo?

  Paradise is a scripted TV show on Hulu. And it has like Sterling K. Brown's in it. Who else is in it? James Morrison's in it. Lots of people.

• 1:16:12Speaker 02

  Cool.

• 1:16:12Drew Afualo?

  Banger fucking show. I am telling, I am pushing that show like I'm paid to do it. Like I'm just like, it's so good, but it's a long story short, it's about the end of the world.

• 1:16:21Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:16:22Drew Afualo?

  But, and spoiler if you haven't watched. It's not really a spoiler, but it's basically, the point of it is it centers on the head of security for the president at the time that the world ends. But the world ends by like a climate thing, like a very awful climate thing that's happening. So it's very real, like it's really rooted in reality like now, which makes it kind of spooky. But you find out that like the world's richest, most powerful people were planning ahead of time because they knew it was coming. And didn't pre- prepare anybody. So they built this bunker and essentially all moved into it and planned to move into it when it happened. And left everybody else to die.

• 1:17:02Speaker 02

  And the bunker's like paradise.

• 1:17:04Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. And so, but inside the Paris, it's like an underground bunker. Everything is fake. So it's like they have a fake sun. They have fake rain. They have fake wind.

• 1:17:11Speaker 02

  But it's like really nice and bougie?

• 1:17:13Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. It's like, it's like a, like a suburban like city. That's what it looks like.

• 1:17:17Speaker 02

  Oh, there's like a whole sky.

• 1:17:18Drew Afualo?

  Yes. You have to get into it, Lucy. You have to get into it.

• 1:17:22Speaker 02

  Okay, maybe I will.

• 1:17:23Drew Afualo?

  It's so good. It's so interesting. But my point being like, I was like, when I was watching, I was like, that would happen. I wouldn't be surprised if it's happened already, if it's happening now.

• 1:17:30Speaker 02

  That's happening.

• 1:17:31Drew Afualo?

  Like prep, preparing and not preparing the American people essentially for it because they don't care. And when they like, they talk about how they made selections of who to pick to go in there. And they pick based off like what they believe you have to contribute, whether it's like you're a doctor or a scientist or like you had to just prove to be valuable.

• 1:17:49Speaker 02

  No entertainers, right?

• 1:17:50Drew Afualo?

  We're no, fuck no. We're dead.

• 1:17:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:53Drew Afualo?

  If that happens, they're leaving a, they're like, make one for the.

• 1:17:56Speaker 02

  It doesn't, does money stop mattering?

• 1:17:58Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, well, that's, that's the crazy part is like, and this again, spoiler, spoiler, spoiler, but like, they think. Nothing is outside anymore because everything like there was like a huge tidal waves. There was earthquakes like the sun blacked out for like, I think a year or something like that. So crops died. It's like awful, but there are people still surviving. And so up there, that's when they start, you start seeing, and this is me like getting so super woke leftist, my blue hair's on.

• 1:18:24Speaker 02

  Cool.

• 1:18:25Drew Afualo?

  But I was like, I'm putting my blue hair on.

• 1:18:27Speaker 02

  I've always wanted blue hair and I've never done it. Cause I've never dyed my hair and I just want to say that I'm with you all.

• 1:18:33Drew Afualo?

  Spiritually.

• 1:18:34Speaker 02

  Please continue.

• 1:18:35Drew Afualo?

  Yes, exactly. It's truly so beautiful how they write human connection in it. Because they show like how really at the end of the day, the only thing that really matters is community. Because when the world is ending, nobody cares anymore.

• 1:18:48Speaker 02

  I was gonna say, if you're, if you want to do some light doomsday prepping, start loving people.

• 1:18:52Drew Afualo?

  Right, exactly.

• 1:18:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, start like knowing who's around you.

• 1:18:56Drew Afualo?

  Absolutely.

• 1:18:57Speaker 02

  And yeah, get a water filtration system.

• 1:19:00Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:01Speaker 02

  And a generator, yeah.

• 1:19:03Drew Afualo?

  Get, get canned foods.

• 1:19:06Speaker 02

  Canned foods.

• 1:19:07Drew Afualo?

  Dry food.

• 1:19:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, get a good backpack that's lightweight.

• 1:19:11Drew Afualo?

  Well, and I learned this from, I don't know if this is true. And it might be, I might be dumb as fuck for saying it, but like in the, in the, the show, there's a part where there's a mailman. And he's like, some of the postal offices around the US were built to withstand nuclear like fallout.

• 1:19:27Speaker 02

  That's real or it's in the show?

• 1:19:28Drew Afualo?

  I don't know if it's real, but it feels like it could be.

• 1:19:31Speaker 02

  Third person here. We needed, we needed a scientist with a laptop to either be answering our questions or looking them up.

• 1:19:37Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, exactly. And I think it's a beautiful thing because it shows like community, how much they need each other, like, how they bond and, and rebuild life, human life and just generally, it's honestly so beautiful. The writing in it is stellar.

• 1:19:52Speaker 02

  I've been saying I want more like post-apocalyptic, like not like everyone's gonna shoot each other and eat each other, whatever. Like zombies and stuff. Some like, okay, so what are we meant to do?

• 1:20:02Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:20:02Speaker 02

  I need like some good visions.

• 1:20:04Drew Afualo?

  Exactly.

• 1:20:04Speaker 02

  In general, like art, just you have the chance to. Give good ideas about what is gonna happen.

• 1:20:11Drew Afualo?

  No, for real. And it's literally like it's watching it is like, I think to myself, I would hope if it did end like that, I would hope that people would be able to come together like that in that kinda way, like in that beautiful, almost like poetic way. It's like when everything goes to shit, then everybody starts loving each other, whatever it takes kinda thing.

• 1:20:34Speaker 02

  You do.

• 1:20:37Speaker 02

  I, that wasn't a, I'm about to say something cough. That was a, something was in my throat. But around the fires here, like I really did see people show up for each other in a way. Like sure, there's always gonna be people who like buy too much toilet paper during covid. Which is a good litmus test for how you might be. Some people were stockpiling their own toilet paper and some people were going and buying and distributing toilet paper for others. But um, it was cool to see, like ideally, you don't have to remember the net. But when some, there's a rip in it, like it reactivates this whole network of care that like.

• 1:21:21Speaker 02

  I don't, I do believe that people are like that.

• 1:21:24Drew Afualo?

  I agree. I agree. And that's what my friend Caleb says, you know Caleb. He says that all the time. You love Caleb. I know you do. Everybody does, whatever. Just kidding. He and I have a, an enemies to lovers thing going on, he and I.

• 1:21:37Speaker 02

  What, I mean, okay, but the cutie pie brigade, why are you not, yeah, you need to be like maximizing.

• 1:21:44Drew Afualo?

  I know, our joint slay. Yeah, that's true. Um, but he's, he said before, and I really do find it to be true. And I think the way he lives his life is a beautiful rendition of it, but he's like, I do believe that most people are good, like inherently good. And I think that's a beautiful sentiment to hold, especially now, like for him to be able to still carry that is honestly beautiful and profound.

• 1:22:08Speaker 02

  I'm with him.

• 1:22:09Drew Afualo?

  I know, and I, I sense that about you too. That's why I think that is a beautiful thing, like, and it is important, like you need people who are skeptical. In a way that's like trying to protect you, but you also need people who are open and loving. And that's why I'm like, in those moments, if paradise ever happens, I'd like to think that we'd be okay. Like the communities, the world, like in some regard, I'd like to think that. I I like to think that because I feel like if you don't have that, everything seems pointless.

• 1:22:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:36Drew Afualo?

  And hopeless, like, which I can't be doing that right now.

• 1:22:39Speaker 02

  Pointless and hopeless?

• 1:22:40Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, no.

• 1:22:41Drew Afualo?

  Can't be doing that right now.

• 1:22:42Speaker 02

  No, I'm learning to garden. I.

• 1:22:44Drew Afualo?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:22:45Speaker 02

  I'm.

• 1:22:46Drew Afualo?

  Love that.

• 1:22:47Speaker 02

  Hopefully gonna get better at fishing. I want to have skills to offer. At the end of the world.

• 1:22:52Drew Afualo?

  You're all I gotta, I gotta get up my skills.

• 1:22:53Speaker 02

  Trying to provide.

• 1:22:54Drew Afualo?

  Okay, you're you're living in Animal Crossing, it sounds like.

• 1:22:58Speaker 02

  You know what, I have like a bone to pick with those, cuz I'm like, if you wanted to do this, you literally could. Or like, maybe not everyone, not everyone has land. A lot of people are in cities.

• 1:23:09Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:09Speaker 02

  Like, but a little box plant that you can then make real pesto?

• 1:23:16Drew Afualo?

  Hell, yeah.

• 1:23:16Speaker 02

  Or, uh, I don't know, anyone who loves those, like, I would say, like, go buy a small bag of dirt and some seeds and just see what happens.

• 1:23:25Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:27Drew Afualo?

  Uh, my friend Brettman, um, he volunteers at like a plant nursery.

• 1:23:30Speaker 02

  I love that.

• 1:23:31Drew Afualo?

  And so he like loves to just take care of the plants, like he loves to be around them. I think nature is so healing too. Like being able and like putting your hands in dirt and like your feet in the grass, like that kind of thing. I feel like, uh, especially since I'm Polynesian, like, I feel very connected to the earth, like in a lot of ways. That's why I always cry as soon as I go back home to Hawaii or anywhere that's Polynesian at all, like that kind of land. Like, I have to go cry and stand on the beach, just look at the ocean.

• 1:23:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:57Drew Afualo?

  Just let her talk to me for a little bit.

• 1:23:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:59Drew Afualo?

  Feel so spiritually connected to the land, especially over there.

• 1:24:02Speaker 02

  That's awesome.

• 1:24:03Drew Afualo?

  It's a beautiful and amazing. I would love to learn how to garden. Is it hard?

• 1:24:08Speaker 02

  I am just starting. So what I've done so far is not hard. It's just going to the store and like getting the stuff.

• 1:24:14Drew Afualo?

  Okay.

• 1:24:15Speaker 02

  Um, I did make like a chicken wire enclosure for my things, so I am being greedy. I want them more than I want the squirrels to have them. Even though I am kind of living in their house.

• 1:24:26Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, they'll be okay.

• 1:24:28Speaker 02

  I'm curious, I know a lot of people who are like, don't visit Hawaii. Is that?

• 1:24:34Drew Afualo?

  Um, I think it depends. It depends on who, and I will preface this, I'm not from Hawaii, but I do have a lot of family in Hawaii and I lived in Hawaii for a long time because of school. So I was living there for a long time and my family lives there, so that's why it's like another home to me.

• 1:24:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, and you can like.

• 1:24:49Drew Afualo?

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 1:24:49Speaker 02

  I'm just curious because I, I know like a lot of indigenous people are like, it's, but then I know some Hawaiian people that are like, at this point, the economy relies on.

• 1:24:57Drew Afualo?

  It is, like the tourism's like seventy-five percent of their economy. So like they, they literally need tourism to survive. That being said, I think that when you do go, you have to go in a way that's respectful, right? So it's like, where you stay and how you stay, how you move, like on the island, um, is imperative to your visit. Also too, like, um, taking anything from the land. That's like one of the first things I tell people. One of my girlfriends went and took her kids a while ago and she, I was like reaching out, we were talking about it and I told her like, just do me a favor, like, don't take anything. Like it's, it's kapu, which is like taboo to take anything. Um, the point is to give back to the land, to be polite and respectful and love the land. They have like a saying called malamadaino, which is like to love, love the land.

• 1:25:42Drew Afualo?

  So it's like picking up trash when you see it. Like I, I always do that even here, but especially over there. And just, um, not taking anything is the biggest thing. Cause I know people like to take like rocks, seashells, flowers, like things like that. Don't do that. A curse will be put on you and I'm being dead ass about that. Like, don't do that. Don't touch them and just be kind and respectful. And there's like this, this like stigma too in Hawaii about like, oh, they're racist against white people, which like, that's an oxymoron sentence. So that's funny.

• 1:26:11Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:26:11Drew Afualo?

  But also they're skeptical because the term howli means foreigner. But there was only one foreigner that went over there. That's why it's always associated with white people. So like, whenever you get called a howli, it's not always disrespectful. That's another thing to note. But I think it's so, I think it's okay to go as long as you go respectfully and you also, I think it helps to talk to people who are Polynesian, who live there, like local people. It's just like the polite thing to do, like just to. Act like a guest in the house because you are. Kind of do. But that's what my, my family and friends have said to me too. Like it's just, it's one of those things where it's like, well, it's, we're here now, so it's not like you can't go.

• 1:26:51Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:26:51Drew Afualo?

  Um, because you're gonna go if you want to go. So if you're gonna go, at least go kindly.

• 1:26:56Speaker 02

  It's kind of related to the restaurant thing. It's like some people, you go to a restaurant, I love a restaurant and I'm so grateful. That someone spent so much time learning how to do that, because I can't do that.

• 1:27:07Drew Afualo?

  For real?

• 1:27:08Speaker 02

  I cook, but some stuff is impossible.

• 1:27:10Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:11Speaker 02

  And like actually makes me feel like a kid, like I'm seeing new colors. Like some, some good food is like truly inspiring.

• 1:27:17Drew Afualo?

  Right, I agree.

• 1:27:19Speaker 02

  I've like, me and, I have a lot of friends that love to eat and we just will cry at a restaurant. And if there's like someone who's a great server, I'm just like, you're probably having a bad day because you're a server. And like you deserve some lightness in your life, or at least somebody who's not trying to get something else from you than the food.

• 1:27:39Drew Afualo?

  Or exert power over you.

• 1:27:40Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:27:41Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, because they don't have any in whatever regard.

• 1:27:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, the way you do anything is the way you do.

• 1:27:46Drew Afualo?

  Everything, period. What's your sign, by the way?

• 1:27:49Speaker 02

  Do you want to guess?

• 1:27:51Drew Afualo?

  I feel like I ca- I've been trying to guess the whole time in my head.

• 1:27:53Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:27:54Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I just can't, can't nail you down.

• 1:27:58Drew Afualo?

  Are you an earth sign?

• 1:28:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:02Drew Afualo?

  Are you a Taurus?

• 1:28:03Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:28:03Drew Afualo?

  I knew it! Oh my god.

• 1:28:06Speaker 02

  That's awesome.

• 1:28:07Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I knew it.

• 1:28:08Speaker 02

  I take it as a compliment.

• 1:28:09Drew Afualo?

  Hell yeah.

• 1:28:10Speaker 02

  Right?

• 1:28:11Drew Afualo?

  I love Tauruses.

• 1:28:12Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:28:12Drew Afualo?

  Tor- Taurus women. Sure.

• 1:28:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, that is huge.

• 1:28:16Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I love Taurus.

• 1:28:17Speaker 02

  I know a few great Taurus men, but it's, it's, it's a rarity.

• 1:28:19Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it is.

• 1:28:19Speaker 02

  Um, are you a fire sign?

• 1:28:22Drew Afualo?

  No, that is my rising though.

• 1:28:24Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:28:24Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:25Speaker 02

  Are you?

• 1:28:26Drew Afualo?

  So that's probably why you got that, is my point.

• 1:28:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:28Drew Afualo?

  Sorry about the elephant herd up there.

• 1:28:32Speaker 02

  I would have said earth sign because we've just been having

• 1:28:34Drew Afualo?

  Yes!

• 1:28:35Speaker 02

  You are?

• 1:28:35Drew Afualo?

  I am an earth sign, yes.

• 1:28:39Speaker 02

  Are you a Taurus?

• 1:28:39Drew Afualo?

  No.

• 1:28:40Speaker 02

  Okay, okay.

• 1:28:40Drew Afualo?

  Close, though.

• 1:28:41Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, there's only two other ones.

• 1:28:44Drew Afualo?

  I'm trying to give you something.

• 1:28:45Speaker 02

  I know. I have a queen?

• 1:28:49Drew Afualo?

  No.

• 1:28:49Speaker 02

  You're a Virgo?

• 1:28:50Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 1:28:50Speaker 02

  Dumb.

• 1:28:51Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I'm a Virgo, but I only think that's very obvious in like how mean I can be.

• 1:28:59Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:28:59Drew Afualo?

  And how successful I am, only, and I say that literally and also just kind of like a flex.

• 1:29:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:29:04Drew Afualo?

  Just because I'm a worker, like I'm a worker bee, like I love to work.

• 1:29:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:29:08Drew Afualo?

  So I'm all about work.

• 1:29:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, my dad's a Virgo.

• 1:29:11Drew Afualo?

  Period.

• 1:29:11Speaker 02

  But he's very airy. I need to know his whole chart, actually.

• 1:29:14Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:15Speaker 02

  And you're not very similar. What's your, wait, what is your rising sign then?

• 1:29:18Drew Afualo?

  Well, I'm a Virgo sign, um, cancer moon, Sagittarius rising.

• 1:29:24Speaker 02

  I'm sad rising also.

• 1:29:25Drew Afualo?

  Okay, look at us. And one of my best friends is a Taurus.

• 1:29:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:29:28Drew Afualo?

  And I was like, I love Tauruses. We get along so well, but I felt the earthiness from you.

• 1:29:33Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:29:34Drew Afualo?

  That's what I was guessing. And you're a very calm demeanor. Also, you're so emotionally like vast, like you have such emotional depth, it's crazy.

• 1:29:44Speaker 02

  That's so nice.

• 1:29:45Drew Afualo?

  That's why you're such an incredible artist, by the way.

• 1:29:47Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:29:47Drew Afualo?

  Which I would love to talk more about your music before we finish. I've just been getting to know you.

• 1:29:53Speaker 02

  That's what I was saying, we got here and it was like, oh, there's, yeah, there's camera. Like, I kind of was like,

• 1:29:58Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:58Speaker 02

  We're gonna have a fun little hang.

• 1:29:59Drew Afualo?

  It's our first date, that's why.

• 1:30:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:01Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, so we gotta get all the stuff out of the way.

• 1:30:03Speaker 02

  We could have just got dinner.

• 1:30:04Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:04Speaker 02

  But this is great. Like, thank you, everyone here.

• 1:30:07Drew Afualo?

  Dinner, the offer's still on the table.

• 1:30:08Speaker 02

  Yes, yeah.

• 1:30:10Drew Afualo?

  Okay, I do want to talk, do you have anything you would like to announce outside of your single?

• 1:30:16Speaker 02

  Well, the single will be out.

• 1:30:17Drew Afualo?

  Yes, it'll be out.

• 1:30:18Speaker 02

  That's that. I'm playing the Hollywood Bowl.

• 1:30:21Drew Afualo?

  Yes!

• 1:30:22Speaker 02

  Um, with an orchestra.

• 1:30:23Drew Afualo?

  I know, and I'm gonna throw up just thinking about it.

• 1:30:26Speaker 02

  You should come throw up.

• 1:30:26Drew Afualo?

  I would love to, if you're inviting me, it's on camera!

• 1:30:29Speaker 02

  I am, yeah.

• 1:30:30Drew Afualo?

  Okay, she can't take it back.

• 1:30:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're invited.

• 1:30:32Drew Afualo?

  Yay!

• 1:30:33Speaker 02

  I am so excited for that.

• 1:30:34Drew Afualo?

  My sister's gonna shit her pants.

• 1:30:35Speaker 02

  My friend, yeah, get on in.

• 1:30:37Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, come on in, dace.

• 1:30:39Speaker 02

  But, um, my friend and bandmate, Phoenix, Rosy Manis, a Greek beautiful legend, is, uh, doing all the arrangements and sent me a video, because you can like do it in the computer and then like push play and the computer kind of plays it. Um, and it's gonna be so cool, like... She's got like a hundred dimensional brain.

• 1:31:01Drew Afualo?

  That's crazy.

• 1:31:01Speaker 02

  She plays violin if any, if you've ever seen.

• 1:31:04Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:04Speaker 02

  Love, love, love, love, love. Anyways, it's gonna be really.

• 1:31:07Drew Afualo?

  Oh, my god, congratulations. How fucking awesome.

• 1:31:10Speaker 02

  And then, wait, can I say who's opening, Jane? I don't know if you're a fan of this person, but Cat Power is opening.

• 1:31:16Drew Afualo?

  Oh.

• 1:31:16Speaker 02

  Who is like someone I've been listening to for so long. Like, it's almost, it's embarrassing.

• 1:31:22Drew Afualo?

  Does Cat Power sing Sea of Love?

• 1:31:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:31:24Drew Afualo?

  I love that song. That's one of my favorite songs.

• 1:31:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:31:28Drew Afualo?

  Oh, my god, I just got chills again.

• 1:31:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, I did too. Someone, like, basically, someone was like, what about this? And I was like, is that allowed?

• 1:31:35Drew Afualo?

  Oh, my god, with an orchestra?

• 1:31:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:31:38Drew Afualo?

  I'm gonna throw up for real.

• 1:31:40Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:31:40Drew Afualo?

  I'm so excited.

• 1:31:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:31:41Drew Afualo?

  Oh, my god, congratulations. How fucking cool.

• 1:31:44Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:31:44Drew Afualo?

  That is so amazing.

• 1:31:45Speaker 02

  So weird.

• 1:31:46Drew Afualo?

  It is so, it's crazy, but well deserved.

• 1:31:49Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:31:49Drew Afualo?

  And you are incredible and amazing.

• 1:31:50Speaker 02

  And it's my dad's birthday, and he'll be there. Virgo.

• 1:31:52Drew Afualo?

  Virgo, when's your dad's birthday?

• 1:31:54Speaker 02

  September thirteenth.

• 1:31:55Drew Afualo?

  Mine's September eighteenth.

• 1:31:56Speaker 02

  Eighteenth? That was the other day we were maybe gonna play, so whoops.

• 1:31:59Drew Afualo?

  Oh, my god, we're saying.

• 1:32:00Speaker 02

  Sorry.

• 1:32:01Drew Afualo?

  We're meant to be. Tell Jolene to move over.

• 1:32:03Speaker 02

  Thruple alert. Another September birthday, but Libra.

• 1:32:08Drew Afualo?

  Oh, okay. My man's a Libra too.

• 1:32:09Speaker 02

  I love Libras.

• 1:32:10Drew Afualo?

  Me too.

• 1:32:11Speaker 02

  I actually realized, like, I haven't met a Libra I don't like.

• 1:32:13Drew Afualo?

  That same, honestly, same.

• 1:32:14Speaker 02

  And I don't want anyone to prove me wrong, because I really like people. I like liking people, overall.

• 1:32:19Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, my, my man's born October twenty first.

• 1:32:23Speaker 02

  I love that you say my man.

• 1:32:24Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, my man.

• 1:32:24Speaker 02

  It's so cool.

• 1:32:25Drew Afualo?

  Okay, thank you.

• 1:32:26Speaker 02

  I love that you're getting married.

• 1:32:28Drew Afualo?

  Me too. I know, soon I'll say my husband. I've been saying my husband already.

• 1:32:32Speaker 02

  I mean, I say my man, I say my husband.

• 1:32:35Drew Afualo?

  Period.

• 1:32:35Speaker 02

  My wife, my tiny GF.

• 1:32:37Drew Afualo?

  I call him my wife too.

• 1:32:38Speaker 02

  My little BF.

• 1:32:39Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I'm like, it's funny because, and I'll, I swear I'll wrap it up. I have like a funny little joke about my, my, because my man is so like manly looking, like, straight white guys, like, they really love him, like, super, super. But sometimes when I go tour homes, like, because I just moved, when I tour houses, like, for any reason, I always make sure he's there, generally, obviously, because I want him to love the place, but also because every time a Realtor sees him, they'll give me the deal of a lifetime. Like, they'll literally do anything to get us to live there because they're so mesmerized by him.

• 1:33:13Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:33:14Drew Afualo?

  And so I'm like, yeah, I just prop up my, my pretty little wife, and you look at her.

• 1:33:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:33:19Drew Afualo?

  And I'm gonna wheel and deal this house, bitch.

• 1:33:21Speaker 02

  Wheel and deal, yes.

• 1:33:22Drew Afualo?

  And it's the best. So I get it.

• 1:33:24Speaker 02

  That's awesome.

• 1:33:25Drew Afualo?

  I get it, and I love you and you're amazing.

• 1:33:26Speaker 02

  I have that in the opposite way. Sorry, we have to wrap up.

• 1:33:29Drew Afualo?

  No, yeah, no, no.

• 1:33:29Speaker 02

  I just feel like, like, people look at Julian, they're like, I have to take care of you. Like, Julian's just looking up, like, even though, like, she's hard as fuck, obviously, covered in tattoos, but I do feel that people.

• 1:33:44Drew Afualo?

  They are endeared to her.

• 1:33:46Speaker 02

  Yes, like, immediately. They're just like, you're like, from Bambi or something. Anyways.

• 1:33:53Drew Afualo?

  Cutie patootie disease.

• 1:33:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:33:55Drew Afualo?

  In the brigade.

• 1:33:56Speaker 02

  Yep, there you go.

• 1:33:57Drew Afualo?

  Okay, so I do have some fun facts, we'll close out with them.

• 1:34:00Speaker 02

  Cool.

• 1:34:01Drew Afualo?

  Uh, this one says, you used to have a job editing children's school photos for a camera company.

• 1:34:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:34:07Drew Afualo?

  Editing, like, Facetune? That'd be funny.

• 1:34:09Speaker 02

  Not Facetune, but, um, they were taken in front of green screens, so then the parents get to pick what the background is, and then you have to make their hair not green. So you're like color correcting to whatever the background is.

• 1:34:23Drew Afualo?

  That's cool.

• 1:34:23Speaker 02

  And then you prep it, and then they send it to get keychains and mugs.

• 1:34:27Drew Afualo?

  Did they, did you like that job?

• 1:34:28Speaker 02

  I actually did, because, like, it was very repetitive, and I had a pad of paper, and like, all my early songs, I wrote, just like, occupying my brain in one way, unlocked it in a different way.

• 1:34:40Drew Afualo?

  You're crazy.

• 1:34:42Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:34:42Drew Afualo?

  That's crazy that you were doing that. You're working and you're writing just unbelievable smash hits, just like, on a pad of paper. All right, good, now back to this children's photo.

• 1:34:50Speaker 02

  I would do, I, I like fantasize about it. I mean, I got like nine dollars an hour, so that's not great.

• 1:34:54Drew Afualo?

  Better than two forty.

• 1:34:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:34:55Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:34:56Drew Afualo?

  You were up from the restaurant.

• 1:34:57Speaker 02

  Two seventy-five.

• 1:34:58Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, two seventy-five, sorry, my bad. Okay, this one says, you were originally a film major in college before stopping to pursue music, which I think I knew about you.

• 1:35:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's kind of true.

• 1:35:08Drew Afualo?

  Not, not entirely?

• 1:35:10Speaker 02

  I didn't stop to do music, I stopped because I didn't want to be in debt. And I was like, this is a racket, and then I did the, the photo stuff, and then through it being a love and hobby, music started, but I, I want to just.

• 1:35:26Speaker 02

  Say that the college system is really expensive.

• 1:35:29Drew Afualo?

  It is.

• 1:35:30Speaker 02

  And it's not for everyone.

• 1:35:31Drew Afualo?

  It wasn't like, oh, music's going great, I'm gonna quit. It was like, I am not gonna pay for this. So I'm done.

• 1:35:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:36Drew Afualo?

  Goodbye.

• 1:35:37Speaker 02

  Bye.

• 1:35:37Drew Afualo?

  I respect that about you. It's one of the first times you played music for anyone was in high school when your history teacher told you to bring a guitar to school. And you jammed in a stairwell during lunch.

• 1:35:48Speaker 02

  Libby Germer.

• 1:35:49Drew Afualo?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:35:50Speaker 02

  Changing history teacher. Yeah, my friend's actually becoming a history teacher and I was like, you are gonna change so many kids' lives just by being nice.

• 1:35:58Drew Afualo?

  You're all there. That's so beautiful.

• 1:36:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:36:00Drew Afualo?

  And teachers are so important.

• 1:36:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:36:03Drew Afualo?

  I am giving it up to teachers, especially now, like, holy fuck, like, they need to be making

• 1:36:08Speaker 02

  It's wild.

• 1:36:09Drew Afualo?

  Way, way, way more money.

• 1:36:11Speaker 02

  Braver than the troops.

• 1:36:12Drew Afualo?

  Braver than the troops for real.

• 1:36:13Speaker 02

  People are.

• 1:36:14Drew Afualo?

  Yep, yep, exactly. Okay, and this is the last one. It says, does this baby photo of you holding a tiny horn prove that you were also destined to be a musician?

• 1:36:25Speaker 02

  I actually looked at this yesterday.

• 1:36:30Speaker 02

  I, yeah, I mean, that's not how you, you hold a horn, by the way.

• 1:36:36Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, by the way, baby.

• 1:36:37Speaker 02

  By the way.

• 1:36:38Drew Afualo?

  The horn wrong.

• 1:36:38Speaker 02

  It's backwards, but I don't, I think that means I was destined to have a nice round face my whole life. That's the only thing.

• 1:36:48Drew Afualo?

  You are truly the cutest baby. This picture does look like it was taken during the Great Depression.

• 1:36:53Speaker 02

  My dad.

• 1:36:54Drew Afualo?

  You are a very cute.

• 1:36:55Speaker 02

  My dad like would set these things, because he's, he's a graphic designer.

• 1:36:58Drew Afualo?

  Oh, love.

• 1:36:59Speaker 02

  But like, when you'd have to buy fonts like in a box.

• 1:37:02Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:02Speaker 02

  Have them sent to you. And so he's very aesthetically minded and he's, he would like set up a scene, like he's very careful and.

• 1:37:09Drew Afualo?

  Virgo.

• 1:37:10Speaker 02

  Virgo.

• 1:37:11Drew Afualo?

  Virgo down.

• 1:37:11Speaker 02

  Thank you, dad.

• 1:37:12Drew Afualo?

  Oh, my god, you're the cutest baby I've literally ever seen.

• 1:37:15Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:37:15Drew Afualo?

  You are destined, yeah, I think, to be Lucy Diggis, to play the Hollywood Bowl. Look at you.

• 1:37:19Speaker 02

  She was the only one that could do it.

• 1:37:21Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, clearly, this is the only girl.

• 1:37:24Drew Afualo?

  Well, thank you so much for coming on the show.

• 1:37:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, thanks for having me.

• 1:37:27Drew Afualo?

  I fucking love you.

• 1:37:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, likewise.

• 1:37:29Drew Afualo?

  You're the best.

• 1:37:29Speaker 02

  I'm so excited you're getting married.

• 1:37:31Drew Afualo?

  Oh, my gosh, me too.

• 1:37:32Speaker 02

  We'll, we'll have dinner.

• 1:37:33Drew Afualo?

  Well, yes, we have to, for real dinner. That'll be our second day.

• 1:37:36Speaker 02

  Okay, cool.

• 1:37:37Drew Afualo?

  And then you might get lucky.

• 1:37:41Drew Afualo?

  That's the arc everyone's

• 1:37:44Drew Afualo?

  Oh my god, if I did, if I, if I entered that arc with Lucy Dacus, something terrible would happen. The lesbians would have hit on me. They would put a hit out on me.

• 1:37:52Speaker 02

  I thought you said the lesbians would hit on me.

• 1:37:54Drew Afualo?

  No, they would put a hit out on me.

• 1:37:56Speaker 02

  That is happening. That, if you aren't noticing, you really are straight. But you at least must notice that.

• 1:38:03Drew Afualo?

  No, yeah, yeah. I'm saying they would put a hit out on me, out of jealousy.

• 1:38:08Speaker 02

  Maybe.

• 1:38:08Drew Afualo?

  It's okay, it's alright.

• 1:38:09Speaker 02

  There's one person that would, for sure.

• 1:38:10Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. That's true. There is one.

• 1:38:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. One five foot flat person.

• 1:38:16Drew Afualo?

  And they have cutie patootie disease.

• 1:38:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:38:18Drew Afualo?

  So, good luck against me.

• 1:38:19Speaker 02

  Oh, they'll be the cutest fight ever. No, no, don't fight.

• 1:38:24Drew Afualo?

  No fighting, no fighting. I love that. I love you. I think you're amazing. And I, I, I truly want to tell you for real, I think you are just an unbelievable one of one artist. Like, I really do think that. And I think you are imperative to the scene. And the way that you move and the way that you, your music is obviously beautiful and amazing and, and poignant. But just the way that you exist as a musician and an artist in general is inspiring. And I think it's beautiful. And I just need to give you your flowers for it, because I think you're incredible. You earned that spot on Lesbian Mount Rushmore.

• 1:38:57Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:38:58Drew Afualo?

  You earned it, girl.

• 1:38:59Speaker 02

  Why, why try to make me cry right at the end here? That's so crazy.

• 1:39:03Drew Afualo?

  It's just important, I always want to give, I always want to give flowers especially at the end. Because I, I spend a lot of pee pee poo poo time talking sometimes. But I do want to be serious and tell you, I think you are just unbelievable and so imperative. And I, and I'm so honored to have you on the show.

• 1:39:18Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:39:19Drew Afualo?

  And I love you.

• 1:39:19Speaker 02

  Thanks for having me.

• 1:39:20Drew Afualo?

  Thank you for coming.

• 1:39:21Speaker 02

  You're wonderful.

• 1:39:22Drew Afualo?

  Thank you, I appreciate that. And thank you all for watching. Thank you for tuning into the comment section. Don't forget, new episodes drop every Wednesday. You can stream the audio on all streaming platforms. And the video, as of right now, is on Spotify. Maybe it will be on YouTube very soon. Also, make sure y'all check out Lucy Dacus for maybe the one straight person that watches me and doesn't know who you are. Where can everybody find you?

• 1:39:45Speaker 02

  Oh, just put my name in a search bar.

• 1:39:47Drew Afualo?

  There you go.

• 1:39:48Speaker 02

  That probably, like, right?

• 1:39:49Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. I mean, your handles.

• 1:39:51Speaker 02

  Am I meant to, oh, it's

• 1:39:52Drew Afualo?

  If you would like to.

• 1:39:53Speaker 02

  L U C Y D A C U S.

• 1:39:58Speaker 02

  See, like you just did that so pro and I'm like, I'm true, yeah.

• 1:40:04Drew Afualo?

  It's okay. You have, you have the musician brain and I have the pee pee poo poo time brain. So that's how I'm able to do that. You know what I mean? You can play the Hollywood Bowl. I can do this. So different strengths.

• 1:40:13Speaker 02

  But you can come and throw up.

• 1:40:14Drew Afualo?

  There you go. I will come and throw up and I might poop my pants.

• 1:40:16Speaker 02

  Cool.

• 1:40:17Drew Afualo?

  And that's on, and I'll ask Julian for help after. You'll be busy.

• 1:40:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:20Drew Afualo?

  So I'll ask Julian to help me. But thank you all so much for tuning in. Don't forget to go check out Everything Lucy Diggis. You guys already know who the fuck she is. She's so famous and important. Thank you all so much for tuning in and I'll see you next week. Bye.

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