Pod Insights The Big Picture The Matt Damon and Ben Affleck Movie Draft. Plus: ‘The Rip.’ About this episode We’re drafting again! Before diving in, Sean and Amanda are joined by Chris Ryan to debate whether or not this is the best January at the movies ever (0:37). Then, they cover the new Netflix action movie ‘The Rip’—starring Matt Damon and Ben Affleck—during which they make the case for it being an A-plus January Netflix release (17:02). Next, they talk through what Damon and Affleck mean to film (39:41) and draft their favorite movies from the iconic duo (51:41).
Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins
Guest: Chris Ryan
Producer: Jack Sanders
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2:10 Sean Fennessey? I'm Sean Fennessy.
2:11 Amanda Dobbins? I'm Amanda Dobbins.
2:12 Sean Fennessey? And this is the Big Picture A Conversation Show about Matt Damon and Ben Affleck and Chris Ryan.
2:17 Speaker 05 Yeah.
2:17 Sean Fennessey? Who's here today to talk with us about The Rip, which is the new film from Matt Damon and Ben Affleck, starring together, and also to draft movies from their careers.
2:27 Speaker 05 Yes. Happy Dumpiory.
2:29 Sean Fennessey? Thank you.
2:30 Amanda Dobbins? Part one.
2:31 Sean Fennessey? Is this Dumpiory? That's really where I wanted to start this conversation.
2:35 Speaker 05 Spiritually, yes.
2:36 Sean Fennessey? It's January.
2:37 Speaker 05 Yeah.
2:37 Sean Fennessey? And in theory, this should be the time when the movies that the studios don't believe it are coming out. And yet, we've just had 28 Years Later: The Bone Temple, which rocked. And I've just seen the film Primate, which also rocked. And we all enjoyed The Rip.
2:54 Amanda Dobbins? Mm-hmm. Yes.
2:55 Sean Fennessey? We still have a handful of movies still to come. Sam Raimi's Send Help, which we haven't seen yet. We have Charlie XCX and Aiden Zemir's The Moment.
3:02 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah.
3:04 Sean Fennessey? There's this. Is this the best January of all time?
3:10 Speaker 05 Do you want January to be, quote, "best" or "good"? Like, is the point of January supposed to be, "This is for sickos. We're going to the movies five times to watch 90-minute genre movies, like Night Swim"?
3:23 Sean Fennessey? Well, I think it being like a place for original movies, which is what most of these movies are, it being the last of, last bastion of original movies is kind of exciting. So maybe it is for the sickos. I don't know. What do you think?
3:36 Amanda Dobbins? We normally plan a Dumpiory movie episode. And like around the fact that we know this, this time of the schedule is soft, people, studios put things here that they're not really excited about. And we think, "But we'll have fun." And then we were, we go see all the movies and they're not that fun. And then we record sort of like a down episode and you kind of like have a breakdown. So this January is what we imagine in our minds when we plan the Dumpiory episode. And we're like, "No, no, no. This is for the real ones, for the people who want to get back to basics." Right? You know, there, and there is like a very gnarly. Horror plus movie and there is, there was a romantic comedy on Netflix that like did not have enough sex, but also romantic.
4:18 Sean Fennessey? People we met on vacation.
4:19 Amanda Dobbins? Romantic comedies don't really have, yeah, so it's, they are meeting our needs and we're not going to leave this depressed. So that's good, right?
4:27 Sean Fennessey? It is, it's great.
4:28 Speaker 05 I bet you guys are also feeling a bit of relief because it's an antidote to talking about the same three movies.
4:32 Sean Fennessey? Hundred percent for me.
4:33 Amanda Dobbins? Totally.
4:34 Speaker 05 Endlessly from every different angle for the award season and since the Oscars are in, in March, I'm sure it's like a refresh, refreshing, honestly.
4:42 Sean Fennessey? I, I think that The Bone Temple really lifted my spirits. Primate, which is then this new movie from Johannes Roberts is just like the most what you see on the label of the, you know, at the grocery store movie of all time. It's like, there's a killer ape. He goes crazy because he gets rabies and he just starts killing actors you've never seen before. And it's incredibly gory. It's really fun. It's 87 minutes.
5:05 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
5:06 Sean Fennessey? Um, it has a really good fake John Carpenter score. It's very stylish. Johannes Roberts, who made The Strangers Pray at Night and 47 Meters Down.
5:14 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, yes.
5:14 Sean Fennessey? He makes, he makes like schlocky good B-movies.
5:17 Speaker 05 Jom Colette Sarah Jr.
5:19 Sean Fennessey? Very much. He's kind of in that tradition. And since Colette Sarah has kind of graduated to, you know, much bigger movies, it's nice that we have somebody making stuff like that. That to me is just like a good version of a dump you are a movie.
5:32 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
5:32 Sean Fennessey? You know, where it's going to make $25 million at the box office. The people who go are going to have a good time. When I saw it, people were literally clapping and laughing in the theater because it's just fun.
5:40 Speaker 05 Yeah.
5:41 Sean Fennessey? Um, Bone Temple, The Rip, even Send Help and potentially The Moment are like, they're real movies.
5:48 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
5:48 Sean Fennessey? They're not movies that have been dumped somewhere. They are made by famous people. They're part of like genuine traditions in movie history.
5:59 Sean Fennessey? So maybe, well, I, one thing that I did do is I looked back at the Januaries.
6:02 Speaker 05 I think this is really cool.
6:03 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
6:03 Sean Fennessey? I looked back at the Januaries from the last 40 years. So I just looked at 86, 96, 2006 and 2016, just to kind of get a sense, this isn't going to be a total history of January of the movies, but we can look at the kind of stuff that came out. In 86. Not a ton of notable titles. I guess the most notable is probably Down and Out in Beverly Hills.
6:24 Speaker 05 Iron Eagle to a certain kind of gentleman.
6:26 Sean Fennessey? Is well liked. Sidney Lumet's Power, a movie that I like quite a bit, but is not considered one of his greatest films. And then a lot of stuff you haven't thought about or ever heard of. You know, The Adventures of the American Rabbit, The Adventures of Mark Twain, The Clan of the Cave Bear, one of Michael Chapman's few movies he directed, Troll, My Chauffeur.
6:44 Speaker 05 Is The Best of Times a football movie?
6:47 Sean Fennessey? It's Kurt Russell and Robin Williams, yes. Is it like high school nostalgia?
6:52 Speaker 05 Guys going back to LSU or going back to high school or something, yeah.
6:57 Sean Fennessey? So, that wasn't, that's not a great year. There's some interesting, well-known figures there, but that's not great. 96, very resonant in my mind, January 96. One of the weirdest things about it is, on the same day, three mainstream comedies were released. Biodeome, Don't Be a Menace to South Central while drinking your juice in the hood, and Dunston Checks In.
7:17 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, sure.
7:19 Sean Fennessey? Which are all very, like, burned into my brain movies that I saw in the, I'm pretty sure I saw all three in theaters. And, you know.
7:25 Amanda Dobbins? I mean, you were 14 or 13.
7:27 Sean Fennessey? 13. And, I mean, Biodeome at 13, it hit.
7:30 Speaker 05 Yeah, of course.
7:31 Sean Fennessey? What's your favorite Paulie Shore movie?
7:33 Speaker 05 I'm not a huge, I guess Encino.
7:35 Sean Fennessey? Encino Man. It's gotta be Encino Man. Dunston Checks In, it's kind of a primate of its time. Right? It was a monkey who was up to no good. Also that year, John Slusinger's Eye for an Eye with Sally Field.
7:47 Speaker 05 Sure.
7:48 Sean Fennessey? Lawnmower Man 2.
7:49 Speaker 05 Colon, Beyond Cyberspace, say the full name.
7:52 Sean Fennessey? What is Beyond Cyberspace, would you say?
7:54 Speaker 05 We're about to find out.
7:54 Amanda Dobbins? What was the concept of cyberspace in 1996 also?
7:57 Speaker 05 I mean, it was dial-up. It was...
7:59 Amanda Dobbins? Did we have dial-up in 96?
8:01 Speaker 05 I think so.
8:01 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, we did. We did.
8:02 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
8:03 Sean Fennessey? I was on the internet in 96.
8:04 Speaker 05 I had an email account in 1996. I was a part of a...
8:07 Amanda Dobbins? I don't know if I did.
8:08 Speaker 05 ...pavement listserv.
8:09 Amanda Dobbins? Wow.
8:10 Speaker 05 Where you would like write an email and it would get sent to like, you know, the 50 people in the listserv.
8:14 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, no, I know what listservs are.
8:15 Speaker 05 It was like actually some of my earliest music writing.
8:17 Amanda Dobbins? Like, my first writing quote-unquote job was like a college listserv.
8:21 Speaker 05 Oh, okay.
8:21 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
8:22 Sean Fennessey? I've told this before, but I have, I literally would boot up and then just spend 14 hours downloading The Reservoir Dogs trailer and just like not letting anybody call my mom's house.
8:33 Amanda Dobbins? This I remember too, but I thought it was later than 96 and for a while.
8:37 Sean Fennessey? It was around then.
8:37 Amanda Dobbins? And also like for a while I was definitely taking those like AOL like free 10 minutes of AOL like CDs.
8:45 Sean Fennessey? Oh, yeah, yeah.
8:46 Amanda Dobbins? That you would get because my parents were not actually letting me connect to the internet. So I was like, no, no, no, no, let me get my one hour and then let me get a new CD.
8:54 Sean Fennessey? I thought it was like a free 100 hours in every offer.
8:57 Amanda Dobbins? Maybe it was, but like I definitely maxed all of them out.
8:59 Sean Fennessey? Totally.
8:59 Speaker 05 It would be amazing if some point like George Clooney was trying to call the house to ask your mom out. It was just like Cindy saw you at Christie's.
9:08 Sean Fennessey? Sorry, your son went beyond cyberspace. We'll never meet.
9:12 Sean Fennessey? One More Man 2, never seen it. I never seen it. Also that month, speaking of George Clooney from Dust Till Dawn.
9:18 Speaker 05 Yes.
9:18 Sean Fennessey? This might be the best movie that was released in all of these Januaries, but at the time it seems like kind of a classic Dumpy Roy film.
9:24 Speaker 05 Have you seen Screamers?
9:25 Sean Fennessey? I haven't.
9:26 Speaker 05 Screamers, if I remember correctly, is a sci-fi movie about little alien buzzsaws in the sand that take people's heads off.
9:37 Sean Fennessey? Very cool.
9:38 Speaker 05 And I, I remember it making a huge impact on me as a child, as a young man.
9:42 Sean Fennessey? Starring Peter Weller, this film.
9:44 Amanda Dobbins? What, how small were the buzzsaws?
9:47 Speaker 05 They're like fist sized, but they're like screaming around in the sand.
9:51 Amanda Dobbins? But not like grains of sand?
9:52 Speaker 05 No.
9:53 Amanda Dobbins? That would be terrifying.
9:54 Sean Fennessey? Were they more or less powerful than New Met's starting third baseman, Boba Shet?
9:58 Speaker 05 You want to do it? We can do it.
9:58 Amanda Dobbins? Here we go.
9:59 Speaker 05 We could do it. It's dirty work by you. It's dirty work by you and it's dirty work by your fucking GM. That was a handshake agreement of long-term stability and financial gain that the Philadelphia Phillies were offering him. Also, multiple trips to the playoffs over the years, an institutional kind of trust.
10:15 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
10:15 Speaker 05 In, in, in greatness.
10:17 Sean Fennessey? It's shocking because he's white and you would just imagine just him wanting to join the whitest team in baseball.
10:22 Speaker 05 He's probably vaccinated against COVID too.
10:25 Sean Fennessey? We're so happy to have Boba Shet, you know, under our domain.
10:28 Speaker 05 I wish we recorded this like 30 hours ago.
10:30 Sean Fennessey? I was in a bad place.
10:31 Speaker 05 You're such a, you're private and so pissed off about Kyle Tucker, as you should be.
10:34 Amanda Dobbins? I, I saw that news relatively soon after it happened and like almost texted you. And then I was like, I'm going to step away from this. I don't know.
10:44 Sean Fennessey? Jack and I had a very gentle meeting yesterday for 45 minutes that was only about the Mets. And we were just like, could this happen? Is this possible?
10:51 Speaker 05 Boba Shet?
10:52 Sean Fennessey? No, no, not Boba Shet, Kyle Tucker. Like, we were, we were getting our hopes up and we were devastated and now we're back.
10:58 Speaker 05 If you take another shot at the Phillies, I'm going to have a private meeting with Jeff Chow. Threaten to quit unless you get the Dodgers to sponsor the big picture. And you have to do Dodgers ad reads about the sterling lineup that they've put together.
11:11 Sean Fennessey? If you can't destroy them, we have to try to become them. That's the only way through.
11:14 Speaker 05 No.
11:15 Sean Fennessey? The only way through right now. We have to live within the rules that have been set.
11:17 Speaker 05 I'll never bend the knee. Her children can, I will never bend the knee.
11:21 Amanda Dobbins? I'd just like to say, if anyone from the Dodgers organization is listening to this, my child and I would love to attend a game this season. I renounced the Braves and I am also a free agent.
11:29 Sean Fennessey? I love going to Dodger Stadium, but I can't abide this.
11:32 Speaker 05 I renounced the empire. Darth Vader is no longer my favorite player.
11:38 Sean Fennessey? 2006. Anything jump out to you from this stretch? I mean, High School Musical is
11:43 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
11:43 Sean Fennessey? A little, a little, you know, we're a little old for High School Musical, but generationally.
11:47 Amanda Dobbins? Flying. Yeah. You guys up on Ashley Tisdale's drama?
11:51 Speaker 05 Yeah.
11:51 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, yeah, the mom chat.
11:53 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did it to herself.
11:54 Speaker 05 Meghan Trainor says that's not her.
11:56 Amanda Dobbins? Meghan Trainor?
11:57 Speaker 05 Meghan Trainor's husband says it's not.
12:00 Amanda Dobbins? So I don't, respectfully, I don't really think that Meghan Trainor is in like the center of the mom group in question. I've been following them from the other side and from their Instagrams. And they've, they've made it pretty clear that she was, she was kicked out.
12:16 Speaker 05 For her political reasons.
12:17 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, and well, they haven't said that and I wouldn't, I'm not going to assume anything, but yeah. And then the husband, Hillary Duff's husband, did like
12:26 Speaker 05 Oh, he mocked her.
12:27 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, the post.
12:27 Sean Fennessey? How does this stack up relative to me storming out of the fantasy football chat that we had?
12:32 Speaker 05 It's not, it's not dissimilar.
12:34 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
12:34 Speaker 05 A man with really out there, uh, political and cultural beliefs.
12:40 Sean Fennessey? That's not what happened.
12:41 Speaker 05 Uh, 2006, I just want to shout out, uh, Hostel.
12:44 Sean Fennessey? Hostel.
12:44 Speaker 05 When it happened, very important.
12:46 Sean Fennessey? It was, yeah, very fun movie.
12:47 Speaker 05 Glory Road, decent sports movie.
12:48 Sean Fennessey? Solid. That was Josh Lucas's big swing. He tried to step up.
12:51 Speaker 05 I don't know about that.
12:52 Sean Fennessey? What do you mean? What's his big swing? That was his attempt to become a big star.
12:55 Speaker 05 Josh Lucas has had bigger swings than that, right?
12:56 Sean Fennessey? Is there a bigger movie from a bigger studio? It's a Disney, Disney sports movie starring Josh Lucas as a basketball coach.
13:02 Speaker 05 Well, as, yeah, I guess you're right.
13:05 Sean Fennessey? Uh, Tristan and he's sold, the James Franco film, did you guys see that?
13:08 Amanda Dobbins? No.
13:08 Sean Fennessey? Have you read Tristan and he's sold?
13:10 Amanda Dobbins? Isn't it an opera?
13:12 Sean Fennessey? I think so. He did not direct it.
13:14 Amanda Dobbins? Right?
13:14 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
13:14 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
13:15 Speaker 05 Um, High School Musical is the biggest movie out of all these.
13:19 Sean Fennessey? What about Big Mama's House 2?
13:20 Speaker 05 I think High School Musical is probably bigger.
13:22 Amanda Dobbins? Tristan and he's old, the overture is what plays in melancholia.
13:25 Sean Fennessey? Oh.
13:25 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, so that's, yeah.
13:27 Sean Fennessey? Wonderful.
13:27 Amanda Dobbins? I mean, I think it's probably also a story.
13:29 Sean Fennessey? But isn't it based on a myth or a...
13:31 Amanda Dobbins? Yes, but like, once you get into like, the Northern European stuff, as we know, all their mythology, I, I don't, I don't follow it.
13:37 Sean Fennessey? Where you don't know the Norse. You don't know the Norse mythology.
13:39 Amanda Dobbins? No, I don't. That's right. That's why I kept being like, so where is Thor right now? And you guys were like, he's obviously on Ragnarok or whatever.
13:46 Sean Fennessey? He's with Tristan. They're looking for his soul.
13:49 Amanda Dobbins? Um, I just want to point out that Nanny McPhee is how Emma Thompson got to like renovate her kitchen or whatever, and that's important for everyone.
13:55 Sean Fennessey? Tristan and he's sold is, is a Celtic romance story from the 12th century.
14:00 Amanda Dobbins? I'm sorry to disrespect the, the Celtic people.
14:03 Speaker 05 It was also the story of Tristan is old was apparently what Ridley Scott was gonna do instead of Alien, until he saw Star Wars. And then this is just discussed in Kathy Kennedy's exit interview.
14:14 Amanda Dobbins? Oh.
14:15 Sean Fennessey? We can talk about that if you'd like.
14:16 Speaker 05 Sure.
14:17 Sean Fennessey? Um, I haven't yet had a chance to read it in full. I basically just read Matt Bellany's summary of it.
14:22 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
14:22 Sean Fennessey? Um, but...
14:23 Speaker 05 I found it pretty depressing.
14:25 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
14:25 Sean Fennessey? She presided over a bad time in Star Wars history.
14:28 Speaker 05 But even, even like, her allusions to the forces beyond her control that were keeping certain things. So when she talked about James Mangold and, uh, Bo Williman's script, which she said broke the mold and was amazing, but is on hold. And then obviously referenced the Scott Burns, Steven Soderbergh, Adam Driver movie.
14:46 Amanda Dobbins? What did she say about that?
14:48 Speaker 05 That it was great, but that it's not happening.
14:50 Sean Fennessey? Basically, she was not allowed to make that movie.
14:52 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, because Bob Iger said Palpatine is...
14:55 Sean Fennessey? Palpatine is back.
14:56 Amanda Dobbins? Palpatine is back, so the other guy can't be back.
14:58 Sean Fennessey? But Kylo is dead.
14:59 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, okay.
14:59 Speaker 05 Right.
15:00 Sean Fennessey? And, and as a reaction to that, I'll be naming my, my firstborn son Kylo.
15:05 Speaker 05 Gail O'Beishet.
15:09 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, this was a, this is just a terrible stretch and it obvious, it's very obvious to me that she was broken by the backlash to The Last Jedi and she just completely failed to make any move that was not incredibly safe and or Dave Filoni.
15:21 Speaker 05 And she said pretty much explicitly, she's like, the hardest thing is that there is a small percentage of the fans that are the most vocal ones that restrict our ability to.
15:28 Sean Fennessey? They don't restrict anything.
15:29 Speaker 05 I'm sure you're right.
15:30 Sean Fennessey? This is creativity. Do what you feel is the most interesting outcome that can also be successful. That's your job. That's what all executives should do, in my opinion. Okay, 2016. 13 Hours, The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi.
15:42 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
15:43 Sean Fennessey? Michael Bay's fearless portrayal of.
15:46 Speaker 05 All right. Of the, of Benghazi.
15:50 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, so what happened there?
15:52 Sean Fennessey? What did you, so you starred as Hillary Clinton in that film?
15:54 Speaker 05 Which, which version of events would you like me to recount?
15:58 Sean Fennessey? Hillary Clinton not to be seen in 13 Hours. Dirty Grandpa, 2016, January. Kung Fu Panda 3, that's a pretty big movie.
16:05 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, yeah.
16:06 Sean Fennessey? The Finest Hours starring Chris Pine.
16:08 Speaker 05 Yep.
16:09 Sean Fennessey? Underrated, I think.
16:10 Amanda Dobbins? Which one is that?
16:11 Speaker 05 Fifty Shades of Black was the sequel to Fifty Shades of Grey.
16:14 Sean Fennessey? No, it was the parody starring Marlon Wayans.
16:20 Speaker 05 My bad.
16:21 Sean Fennessey? So January historically.
16:22 Speaker 05 And Jane Got a Gun, a very infamous kind of behind the scenes.
16:27 Sean Fennessey? Yes, Natalie Portman starring film.
16:30 Speaker 05 Lynn Ramsey directed that, right?
16:31 Sean Fennessey? No, didn't Gavin O'Connor come in to work on it? And yeah, like a hot script at the time that was then kind of mangled in the making. A movie that does not exist. So yeah, this has been a pretty good January. You want to talk about the rip?
16:47 Speaker 05 Well, let me just ask you one more dumb viewer question.
16:49 Amanda Dobbins? Yes.
16:49 Speaker 05 In a perfect world.
16:52 Speaker 05 Would Hollywood more evenly distribute the programmers from January across the year to give people more variety at the movies throughout the year? Or do you enjoy the Lollapalooza aspect of the first month is just this grab bag of like ups and downs and curveballs and?
17:13 Sean Fennessey? I mean, at the risk of being insanely positive about movies, February has some really cool stuff, too. So it's possible that stuff's evening out right now as more movies just start to come out.
17:23 Amanda Dobbins? And I was gonna say that they're like the rhythms that we have like come, come used to.
17:28 Speaker 05 Sure.
17:29 Amanda Dobbins? Are changing and I mean, you see that like in Best Picture nominees and winners are now kind of released throughout the year and like, you know, there are like four different horror seasons.
17:39 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
17:39 Amanda Dobbins? Except often for October, which is very weird.
17:42 Sean Fennessey? Good point.
17:42 Amanda Dobbins? And like.
17:43 Sean Fennessey? Tons of horror movies this spring.
17:44 Amanda Dobbins? Exactly. It's like every studio is looking for the new window and the new spot and like, let's try this. So it actually is somewhat distributed.
17:52 Speaker 05 I'm totally fine with, I wish it would extend to basically the first four to five months of the year. I think that would be a really fun fertile playground. And then if you want to basically call it, uh, what Memorial Day on, um, it's basically blockbusters going into award season. I'll accept that.
18:10 Sean Fennessey? I think it will be this year, three months because April 3rd is the Super Mario Galaxy movie. And that's kind of when the summer starts, even though it's only April.
18:18 Speaker 05 Sure.
18:18 Sean Fennessey? But prior to that, you know, you've got your Scream sevens and your bone temples, but for the most part, it's a lot of, you know, it's Project Hail Mary and it's Wuthering Heights and The Bride and these kind of like exciting auteurist movies that seem like they've been dumped, but might actually be better than we think they are. Thought the new trailer for The Bride was really good, by the way. I don't know if you guys saw that.
18:35 Speaker 05 I did.
18:36 Sean Fennessey? I'm kind of excited about that movie now. Um, so yeah.
18:39 Speaker 05 Did you see the poster for Scream seven? There's like 47 people on it.
18:42 Sean Fennessey? Well, I certainly saw Tim Simon.
18:43 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
18:44 Sean Fennessey? Did you see that?
18:45 Amanda Dobbins? I followed his instructions and zoomed in.
18:47 Sean Fennessey? Uh, there may be too many people in that movie. We'll see. I will watch it and I'll probably re-watch all the Scream movies before I watch it and I look forward to that. Um, The Rip.
18:56 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
18:57 Sean Fennessey? It's on Netflix right now.
18:58 Speaker 05 Mm-hmm.
18:59 Sean Fennessey? This is the new film from Joe Carnahan, who has given us some good dump your-esque movies in the past, uh, including The Gray, Smoking Aces.
19:07 Speaker 05 Narc.
19:08 Sean Fennessey? Narc. Um, he wrote and directed this film, stars Damon and Affleck, Steven Yeun, Tayana Taylor, Sasha Kaye, Catalina Sandino Moreno, Scott Adkins, Kyle Chandler, Nestor Carbonell.
19:20 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
19:20 Sean Fennessey? It's a very overqualified cast.
19:22 Speaker 05 Yes.
19:23 Amanda Dobbins? And not everyone is used equally.
19:24 Sean Fennessey? I agree with that. Uh, it is about a group of Miami cops who discover a stash of millions in cash, leading to distrust as outsiders learn about the seizure, making them question who to rely on. Okay. What did you think about this movie?
19:40 Amanda Dobbins? It's an absolute yes for me. Of course, I had high expectations. This was number 12 on my most anticipated list because you have the reunion of Matt Damon and Ben Affleck, which is the reason I go to the movies or watch them on my TV at home. And you also have Echoes of Triple Frontier, which is one of the great dumpuary movies of years past for this podcast and a great example of the feeling of like, nobody else really got this, but like, we got it, you know? And like Charlie Hunnam, you know, writing things on a chalkboard and then having a panic attack like in a Publix is
20:20 Amanda Dobbins? meaningful. So, and it delivers, you know, it does what it says on the box, like with enough charm and with enough humor. Like everyone, everyone is very competent and Damon and Affleck are having fun. So I, I had a great time.
20:37 Speaker 05 I think we have enough evidence from the Artist Equity movies that these guys have been making together since they reunited with Air that they're kind of making the movies that they would like to watch. And you get that from this. Like you get a tremendous amount, even though it's a very dark movie, both like in its lighting and its content, you get the, the idea that they are really, really enjoying themselves. And that this is the kind of movie that they grew up watching. This is the kind of B movie that they kind of sharpen their teeth on. In a different world, they'd be happy to just be making three of these a year. But they're obviously two of the most famous actors we've had in the last 40 years. So they have other responsibilities and other ambitions,
21:17 Speaker 05 but this is just awesome. If anything, it was almost too good for the material or there's the inverse of that is like, it's too bad for the guys who are in it.
21:28 Amanda Dobbins? Right, yes.
21:30 Sean Fennessey? I totally agree. The script is like a B minus.
21:32 Amanda Dobbins? Right.
21:33 Sean Fennessey? It's not, it's not a great story. It's kind of familiar, but there's a tremendous amount of charisma and style that is happening around the movie. And you have, you come in with these baked in relationships with so many of the actors and not just Matt and Ben, but like we, Tiana Taylor is now like a, a movie star in our heads, right? So when she shows up, she's given nothing to do in this movie.
21:51 Amanda Dobbins? Nothing at all.
21:51 Sean Fennessey? But even though she's not giving you anything to do, you're kind of like, oh, oh, a scene with Tiana Taylor. Something must be about to happen here.
21:56 Amanda Dobbins? Excuse me, that's not true. She counts over and over again.
21:59 Sean Fennessey? Yes. Let's just take two very well-known actors, Catalina Sandino Moreno, two Academy Award nominee, I think, for Maria Full of Grace. And just like put them in a room and they count money.
22:08 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
22:08 Sean Fennessey? And then that's what they'll do for the entire film. But still, it kind of keeps your, it keeps the energy of the movie up by having all these overqualified people. And you know, Carnahan, I think can really shoot the hell out of a movie. And there's some, there's a chase sequence in this movie. There's some shoot up sequences. There's a fire sequence. There's some stuff in it that is really well executed. Plus, Matt and Ben,
22:30 Sean Fennessey? their relationship in this movie is very similar to their relationship in Air. And I find that fascinating, except they've inverted the roles. In Air, Ben was in charge and Matt worked for him and Matt needed to make something happen. In this movie, Matt is in charge and Ben works for him. And he doesn't quite trust him in the same way. It's interesting to me.
22:50 Speaker 05 I also find it fascinating that they've kind of settled into this, like, Matt Damon is number one on the call sheet in these movies to, to my eyes, you know, like I.
23:02 Sean Fennessey? He's a, he's a bigger star.
23:04 Speaker 05 Yeah, but it's interesting that Affleck is just kind of like cool with being the sidekick in these, you know?
23:10 Amanda Dobbins? And even thriving. I think like Last Duel is really when the possibilities of him taking the supporting role and going for it.
23:19 Speaker 05 Sure.
23:20 Amanda Dobbins? Opened up and, you know, and they were co-writers on that with Nicole Holofcener. So maybe he's come to an understanding of, of what he can do.
23:28 Speaker 05 Yeah.
23:29 Amanda Dobbins? Or he's just going back to Chucky.
23:31 Sean Fennessey? I think that's part of it. And I think the fact that Ben Affleck is so tall and so lantern jawed, but never could quite become the same level of star as Damon. He's a huge star. It's a, you know, it's a tight race or whatever. But, you know, when we talk about the box office category for the draft, Damon's just got more to pull from. He's just had more and bigger hits. He had a bigger franchise in Born, all by himself.
23:52 Speaker 05 I think he's had fewer, smaller dry runs, too.
23:56 Sean Fennessey? That's true. Yes. Fewer, fewer struggles over time. And so, yeah, I think that might be part of it is just selling the movie is probably easier if Damon is in that chieftain role that he is in this movie. The plot itself, I still, I'm not totally sure I grasp all of it.
24:13 Speaker 05 Happy to help you.
24:14 Amanda Dobbins? Okay, yeah, let's go. Spoilers. This film is available on Netflix. You don't want this, you know, popcorn Saturday night experience ruined for you. Skip ahead.
24:23 Speaker 05 Yes.
24:24 Amanda Dobbins? Don't DM me.
24:25 Sean Fennessey? I wouldn't say the reason to watch it is to figure out the plot, per se. But, so it's...
24:29 Amanda Dobbins? Well, it's not, it's not not. There, there is like the consequential scene when they're all together and it's, it's like, which one? And the, and the script is baiting, like, is Affleck the, is it Damon? Is it these other, you know, who is the rat?
24:44 Sean Fennessey? Right. They're, they're clear. And that wasn't confusing to me at all. Like, the final execution of the story. It's more like the setup of the story is a little bit confusing. It opens with the murder of a team member for these Miami police officers. And then it kind of a series of interrogations around who may have been responsible for that murder. And the feds have come into the investigation.
25:03 Speaker 05 Scott Atkins plays one of the FBI.
25:05 Sean Fennessey? Legendary action star plays an FBI agent and also Ben Affleck's brother.
25:09 Speaker 05 Yes.
25:10 Sean Fennessey? And they have a very intense exchange.
25:11 Speaker 05 This is up there with Al Pacino throwing Henry Rollins through a screen door. Is Ben Affleck going toe to toe with Scott Atkins?
25:21 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. I really enjoyed that scene.
25:23 Amanda Dobbins? It was great.
25:23 Sean Fennessey? But it sets us up for kind of figuring out that there's like, there's distrust within the police department here. And Nestor Carbonell has taken on, I guess he's like the
25:34 Speaker 05 He's the major.
25:34 Sean Fennessey? Police captain, the major. And he wants them to get to the bottom of this. Matt Damon's character subsequently gets a tip that there's a stash house and that they need to do
25:45 Speaker 05 Crime stopper tip.
25:46 Sean Fennessey? A crime stopper tip. And so that he wrangles the team, before he wrangles the team, he tells them all different numbers for how much is in the stash house. And while you're watching it, you immediately know, okay, this is a setup of some kind. Who's responsible for the setup? We don't know. Why is Damon sharing different information with different police officers? He's trying to draw someone out, obviously. And they go to the stash house. Now, here's the thing that I didn't totally grasp. Right. Why is that neighborhood empty that they go to?
26:14 Speaker 05 The cartel owns all that buildings.
26:15 Sean Fennessey? They own all the buildings and they're using those buildings to store money?
26:18 Speaker 05 Uh, I think that they just, it's the indication is that those are cartel owned homes and that no one, there's not a lot of activity there. There may be people in those houses, like lookouts and stuff.
26:29 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
26:30 Speaker 05 But that, in that cul-de-sac, it's all.
26:32 Sean Fennessey? I think that was really the major thing that I couldn't figure out. I was like, what are they using this entire city cul-de-sac for?
26:38 Speaker 05 I think for pickups and drop-offs and stuff.
26:40 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
26:41 Speaker 05 Yeah.
26:41 Sean Fennessey? Just the place where they can do business? And also store things.
26:43 Amanda Dobbins? And then they also, it's implied that they own those local cops.
26:47 Speaker 05 Yes, the highlands.
26:48 Amanda Dobbins? Right. So that it's, it's a business district.
26:52 Sean Fennessey? Got it. Okay. Interesting. So it's just kind of like the food court for the cartel?
26:56 Speaker 05 Yeah. I mean, I think actually the, one of the cool things about this movie is-
26:58 Sean Fennessey? Is that something that happens? If it is, I believe it.
26:59 Speaker 05 Well, I think one of the neat things is like Miami not dissimilar to Los Angeles is you throw a blanket over Miami, but then there's lots of little counties within. And there's like Broward and Dade, and then there's like different law enforcement agencies running different parts of the city. But that the city is itself pretty porous. So those guys cross into like, they know as soon as they go to Hialei, like we're on somebody else's turf.
27:24 Sean Fennessey? Did this district go for Gore or Bush in 2000?
27:27 Speaker 05 I think that they were a bellwether district for Bush.
27:33 Sean Fennessey? And so then-
27:34 Speaker 05 Although, I don't know, because the cartel, very helpful in this movie.
27:37 Sean Fennessey? Uh, I had some questions about that, too. Sure. Very loose with information as well.
27:42 Speaker 05 And also doing FaceTimes. Hey, it's me.
27:47 Speaker 05 I run this in a low cartel.
27:51 Sean Fennessey? You had mentioned.
27:51 Amanda Dobbins? What happened to that guy?
27:53 Speaker 05 I think it was just like.
27:54 Amanda Dobbins? Not the guy on the phone, the other guy.
27:56 Speaker 05 I don't know.
27:57 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
27:57 Speaker 05 I don't know.
27:58 Amanda Dobbins? He just kinda.
27:58 Sean Fennessey? Some loose ends in the film. Just don't go in looking for the airtightest plot.
28:03 Speaker 05 Yeah, so go ahead.
28:04 Sean Fennessey? Well, so then essentially they get into the house and they discover that there's a tremendous amount of money. There's a woman also in that home played by Sasha Kaye. Last seen as Supergirl.
28:14 Speaker 05 Yes.
28:14 Sean Fennessey? In The Flash. Best part of The Flash. And now there's another Supergirl movie coming out. I'm like, why is she not just Supergirl?
28:19 Speaker 05 Uh, she's awesome in this.
28:20 Sean Fennessey? She's really, really good. Um, and lifts like another nothing part with a tremendous amount of presence. And she becomes this kind of counterweight to Damon's character where she has information, but we don't know how much information she has. And she's also presenting a false front. She's sort of protecting what's inside of this house, which is her grandmother's house. And
28:43 Sean Fennessey? it's weird because like it's a, it's a single location movie in a lot of ways.
28:46 Speaker 05 It should have just been Assault on Precinct 13.
28:48 Sean Fennessey? Right.
28:49 Speaker 05 Like I, I really liked this, so I'm not, I'm nitpicking at something I liked. This kind of movie should have been James Badge Dale and pick another actor.
29:00 Sean Fennessey? And Scott Atkins, those are the two leads.
29:01 Speaker 05 And you can't really tell who's good and who's bad. And it's got basically one location and they're trapped in this house. Who is going to come get them first, the cops of the cartel? How did they get out? And instead it kind of expands to like a larger Miami chase.
29:15 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, it's, it's what happens when a, a B movie gets A stars. And I'm not, I'm not opposed to that. I really like it. The eighties and nineties were full of movies like this. Black Rain, Internal Affairs. Like they've all been on the rewatchables. There's a long history of it. I think it's really fun when you get this kind of thing. It is slight. You know, you get to the end of it and you're like, cool. That was fun.
29:34 Amanda Dobbins? The, the reveal is incredibly obvious from the beginning.
29:38 Sean Fennessey? So obvious.
29:39 Amanda Dobbins? Well, it's just also.
29:40 Sean Fennessey? Why is this actor in the movie?
29:42 Amanda Dobbins? Well, and we've, Netflix has already done this with another straight to Netflix action comedy star starring two of my favorite people, Jamie.
29:51 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, Jamie Foxx and Cameron Diaz.
29:53 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
29:53 Speaker 05 Right.
29:54 Amanda Dobbins? So it's like.
29:55 Sean Fennessey? Back in action.
29:56 Amanda Dobbins? Yes, come on, we gotta, we gotta not, uh, we gotta figure this out, but that's okay. And also, you know, to your point about the, the plot not being bulletproof. I don't really understand how it all got, got totally pulled off or what even his plan was, but that's okay.
30:16 Speaker 05 What Kyle Chandler's plan was?
30:17 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, yeah.
30:18 Speaker 05 Um, I think the idea was that they were gonna probably wind up killing everybody involved and then taking the money. And that Steven Yeun was gonna facilitate that. Nice job taking two of America's boyfriends and making them the heavies. I wanted to ask you guys a little bit about this film in particular, but the artist equity movies that they've been making over the last couple of years in general. And the way that these guys are servicing their public image with these movies, rather than challenging that public image. Because there's another version of this movie, not necessarily the one I want. It's a lot more seventies and maybe one of Matt and Ben are the bad guy in this. And that would be pretty interesting to watch the two of them face off in that regard.
30:59 Sean Fennessey? I agree.
30:59 Speaker 05 This is much more of a testament to their chemistry and friendship than it is about like, what if they were adversaries?
31:05 Sean Fennessey? Well, I will say the movie works because I believed it was possible that they were going to face off.
31:10 Speaker 05 Yes.
31:10 Sean Fennessey? They did pull that punch at the end of the movie, but I was, I was excited by the idea of Chucky and Will having a showdown.
31:16 Speaker 05 Me too, but the film ends with this sort of like, these are the last two morally.
31:21 Sean Fennessey? Good cops.
31:22 Amanda Dobbins? The last solid dudes to.
31:24 Sean Fennessey? From Netflix in 2026?
31:25 Speaker 05 But like, rather than.
31:27 Amanda Dobbins? Why are they sitting on a beach just like watching? Who was that woman with the dog? And you guys also aren't at that beach. Like I can tell you that the shot of the sunset is very.
31:36 Sean Fennessey? We're just, we're in this, Chris, I was talking to Chris about this this morning. We're in this extremely vivid, post-heat generation of movies where everyone now who loves movies, from the highest art house to the lowest dingy, D-grade crime movie.
31:52 Speaker 05 And all over TV as well.
31:53 Sean Fennessey? Is obsessed with heat. Everybody is like heat and obviously Chris and Bill have done tremendous work in supporting that legacy.
31:59 Amanda Dobbins? You're the leaders.
32:00 Sean Fennessey? We've all seen Heat, it's fucking amazing. It's a five-star classic. Everyone agrees, and now they can't help but get the heat out into the world. Like, this movie doesn't have to have anything to do with heat, but the sitting on the beach looking out at the water is the most Michael Mann shit of all time.
32:13 Speaker 05 Yes, but the most Michael Mann shit of all time would be one guy makes it to the water.
32:18 Sean Fennessey? That's true. That would have been the one way to pivot.
32:20 Speaker 05 I mean, you can't do heat without having to make some hard decisions.
32:22 Sean Fennessey? But this is a movie about brotherhood. It's not a movie, and it's not just Scott Atkins and Ben Affleck, but Ben Affleck and Matt Damon. And, you know, it's a fun movie.
32:30 Speaker 05 Yes.
32:30 Amanda Dobbins? I had a great time.
32:32 Sean Fennessey? For, for, for a movie on Netflix in January, it's an A+.
32:35 Speaker 05 Yes.
32:36 Sean Fennessey? So, I'm very happy to have it.
32:37 Amanda Dobbins? Shout out Wilbur, didn't know that you could train as that a Basset Hound that's, uh,
32:40 Speaker 05 I had no idea that K-9 units were, were coming in all those different sizes and forms.
32:44 Sean Fennessey? Is it a thing? Did you look it up?
32:46 Amanda Dobbins? I didn't, but, I mean, and they did also, like, there was a moment where you didn't think Wilbur was gonna make it, and I was very, I was stressed out about that, so I was, uh, connected to Wilbur.
32:58 Speaker 05 Uh, a lot of good dialogue, a lot of good, a lot of good cop talk.
33:01 Sean Fennessey? Ben is just really good in movies like this. He just, he's really, really comfortable in a, in a B movie that's got a lot of crime in it. Like, obviously, he made The Town. He knows how to be, what his energy is. Damon was interesting.
33:11 Speaker 05 Yeah.
33:12 Sean Fennessey? I think he, he's got a tough part because he has to withhold a lot of information, and he's kind of the mechanic of a scheme.
33:18 Speaker 05 But when they first, when they first get to Sasha Kaya's house and they first start interrogating her and going through that, like, Damon has like a 25-minute run where he's basically like slightly bad guy version of the Martian guy.
33:34 Sean Fennessey? Mm-hmm.
33:34 Speaker 05 And he's like, here's how we're gonna do this. I need all your phones. I need you to go over here. I need you to go over there. And you're like, what's happening, man? And he is conducting the orchestra in that sense. Like, he is just really, he is really able to control the center of a movie unlike very, very few other actors.
33:50 Amanda Dobbins? And also, when he goes out on the street, uh, with Steven Yeun, and you're like, I don't know what's gonna happen here. When they're, when they are fainting towards him being Departed, Matt Damon, you're like, mm, I, like, I could see this.
34:03 Speaker 05 Yes.
34:03 Amanda Dobbins? So.
34:03 Sean Fennessey? It's a great point. That's, that's a really effective scene because you don't know which direction it's gonna go. And to your point about, like, Internet Boyfriend, Steven Yeun is just such a gen, like, a genial, likeable movie presence that you could never think that he would be the one responsible, even though it's pretty clear from the way the story's playing out that he's doing something wrong.
34:19 Speaker 05 Right.
34:20 Sean Fennessey? Um, I have a question for you.
34:22 Amanda Dobbins? Mm-hmm.
34:22 Sean Fennessey? So.
34:25 Sean Fennessey? You know, I've had some facial hair for the last six months.
34:27 Amanda Dobbins? Yes. I did. They all.
34:29 Sean Fennessey? And like.
34:30 Amanda Dobbins? They all have it.
34:31 Sean Fennessey? We all, like, this is, it's kind of an epidemic. And I'm watching the movie and I'm looking at Matt Damon's facial hair. And he's letting it gray, you know, and he's not dying it.
34:38 Speaker 05 Yeah, I thought that was Odysseus. I thought he was like either on his way.
34:42 Sean Fennessey? Oh, maybe.
34:43 Speaker 05 To doing the Odyssey or coming off the Odyssey.
34:46 Sean Fennessey? I just, if you look at any movie starring a guy 45 plus now, this is kind of acceptable.
34:51 Amanda Dobbins? Yes.
34:51 Sean Fennessey? And I'm wondering about, like, I'm wondering what even inside of me was like, you should just let that happen. And I feel like a lot of the stars now are very comfortably just kind of looking that like half manicured, half haggard facial hair look.
35:04 Amanda Dobbins? Yes.
35:05 Sean Fennessey? What do you make of it? What's it about?
35:06 Amanda Dobbins? I, I have to say, I do not understand men and their beards. Like, and I don't, it seems like a real hassle. It seems itchy. It seems uncomfortable.
35:16 Speaker 05 It is.
35:17 Amanda Dobbins? I don't.
35:17 Sean Fennessey? But it doesn't, not for me.
35:18 Amanda Dobbins? It doesn't? I mean, that's great, but it's,
35:22 Amanda Dobbins? it's not, if I were a man, I wouldn't wear one. It's not my preferred aesthetic. I think it's nicer when you have a clean shaven.
35:29 Sean Fennessey? What if you hate yourself, though? Would you then do it?
35:31 Amanda Dobbins? Well, is that what it is? This is what I'm saying. Like, so it's, I think it's.
35:34 Sean Fennessey? Does Matt Damon hate himself?
35:35 Amanda Dobbins? I think it's about you guys.
35:36 Sean Fennessey? Why does he let himself have that facial hair in this big movie?
35:38 Speaker 05 I think he thinks it looks like a cop's.
35:40 Amanda Dobbins? I don't know.
35:40 Speaker 05 Like, he's not going home to shave.
35:41 Amanda Dobbins? Or maybe it's softening the jawline, you know? As thing, as you age, things get, you know, much looser. And people are really very into the.
35:51 Speaker 05 He's never been thinner. He says so.
35:53 Sean Fennessey? Really, for, for the Odyssey?
35:54 Amanda Dobbins? I mean.
35:55 Speaker 05 No one got him down to 165.
35:56 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, but that doesn't mean that everything is still like tight, you know? And you get like the jowls. You know, Ozempic face, look it up.
36:05 Sean Fennessey? I don't, I can't think immediately of another example, but in a lot of movies this year. You know, like Austin Butler has facial hair all the time, you know?
36:11 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, when you rapidly lose a lot of weight, then the skin is looser.
36:15 Speaker 05 Oh, wow.
36:16 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah. Any, yeah, anywhere.
36:18 Sean Fennessey? Don't, don't go losing a lot of weight right now.
36:19 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, I mean, also never, never have a child. Because once it, like, it stretches out and then it goes away and that you, you can't get that back, buddy.
36:27 Sean Fennessey? Pro tip for you to not have a child, if you can help it. Do not get pregnant.
36:33 Amanda Dobbins? Also could be covering up plastic surgery, just gonna throw that in on the last one. I don't think that that's true. I don't think that's true, but that's like another.
36:39 Sean Fennessey? Damon specifically has never given me the vibe that he's had worked on. Doesn't seem like it.
36:44 Speaker 05 Are you surprised that this is, these are the kinds of movies these guys are making?
36:47 Sean Fennessey? I like it a lot. It makes me feel like it's the 90s and those guys love the 90s. They're linchpins of the 90s and even a movie like Air just feels from a different time. And the fact that they sought out that script and wanted to make that script, I think is great. You know, I don't know where it fits into the hierarchy of Hollywood. Obviously, like I believe in their mission of having the money kind of streamed down to all the people who worked on the project. I think that's very cool. And there's been a lot of writing and a lot of interviews with them about that and the times and deadline. You can read those interviews. So I very much believe in that, that structure that they're building. The kinds of movies that they're making are real tweeners.
37:25 Speaker 05 Yes.
37:25 Sean Fennessey? And I don't know if you can actually functionally make a business out of this without streamers. And they've been using streamers to buttress this business. This movie in particular is unusual because they got Netflix to pay them in success as opposed to pay them a flat fee.
37:42 Speaker 05 Right.
37:43 Sean Fennessey? That's fascinating that they were able to do that. Bill Bajaria had to go into the New York Times and talk about how we did it here, but we're not doing it again. You know, our model is our model, but we did it because it's Matt and Ben effectively. But that's an indication that they, because of their force of personality and success, they can bend the system.
37:58 Speaker 05 I think the next one is also for Netflix. That's Animals, which is the kind of high and low style kidnapping drama. There were Ben Affleck plays like a mayoral candidate or something.
38:08 Sean Fennessey? I don't think that that movie got the money and success deal.
38:11 Speaker 05 I'm just saying you're right. Like they're, they're essentially using streamers as drive-in movie theaters or something. And I, when this first started and they first started talking about doing this company. There's another version of this where it's like, we just want to make sure Andrew Dominic has $60 million.
38:29 Amanda Dobbins? Right.
38:29 Speaker 05 And all the time he needs to make assassination of Jesse James again.
38:34 Sean Fennessey? Right.
38:34 Speaker 05 Or whatever. And instead, they're like, no, like, we kind of know how to make this kind of movie really well, and we're gonna crank them out a little bit in between Matt being in Nolan movies and Ben maybe prepping like a directorial effort.
38:50 Amanda Dobbins? I mean, I think he directed Animals.
38:51 Speaker 05 That's right, he did, yeah. And I think he's also like attached to like the Witness for the Prosecution remake that they're talking about doing. So in any case.
38:59 Sean Fennessey? Oh, he's so perfect for that, for the Tyrone Power part. Oh, man, that would be great.
39:03 Speaker 05 I just think it's a really fascinating kind of idea, just to be like, what people want from us is instigators, the rip, animals, rather than Good Will Hunting, but middle-aged or...
39:15 Sean Fennessey? It might just be because they're saleable, because they're $75 million movies and not $200 million movies, you know? And the other thing too is like, in 1997, Joe Carnahan would never struggle to get a movie made because he'd already made a few movies that were really good, and he would be able to make movies till he was 75 years old. His last two movies are Cop Shop and Game Over, or Boss Level, which are like streaming movies effectively, you know? And they're not bad. Cop Shop's kind of entertaining, the Gerard Butler movie, but, you know, if you made The Grey, you'd be able to make movies for a long time. And so I do think that they're doing something with kind of like, they're trying to rebuild the middle class.
39:46 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
39:46 Sean Fennessey? And I respect that.
39:47 Amanda Dobbins? And they're also, they're like reading the market effectively. They are smart guys, you know? There's like the viral clip of Damon being like, what happened to Hollywood is the DVD business went away and then they, so I do think that they just saw, okay, there are no middles and there are streamers that will pay for it at this amount. And what most of the streamers are missing is like quality of any kind, so we can do it a little bit better and they'll pay more for it. So who knows if it'll be a model that works in five years, but they're savvy.
40:14 Sean Fennessey? It's a really good point, and I feel like the Netflix quality conversation is often centered around the fact that it's either like, this film is either Roma or The Irishman, or the worst movie ever made. Like, there's just no, there is, there are so few B or B+ movies that they've made over the years, for whatever reason.
40:31 Speaker 05 Yes. It's like you either use the Virgin River set, or you've made...
40:36 Sean Fennessey? It's just, it's a very strange thing. And, you know, that's obviously being dramatic and it's not a, there are tons of B movies that they've made that I enjoy watching. But that is the reputation that the studio has. And so this kind of begins to reshape that a bit. So it's beneficial for them too.
40:53 Speaker 05 I was looking at, somebody had put together like a, a sort of panel of like all these straight to prime video action movies that are often like, like, it's like Dave Bautista and Jason Momoa. And it's like two guys who are actually long separated brothers, but are also the greatest killers in the world.
41:10 Sean Fennessey? Bottom of the barrel of the wink action era.
41:12 Speaker 05 Yeah, I hope, I hope, I hope we're turning somewhere. I hope we're getting into like.
41:16 Sean Fennessey? It's a really good point. This is another movie that's not, it's not super ironic or jokey, or there's not a lot of one liners, like the conversations are like the way that cops shit talk each other, not like turning to the audience like Argyle, you know? Okay, should we draft?
41:32 Amanda Dobbins? Yes.
41:32 Speaker 05 Yeah, sure. You made some interesting choices here category wise.
41:35 Sean Fennessey? Well, I have a couple of questions for you about what I put, because what I tried to do is mirror our George Clooney and Brad Pitt draft in a way, in terms of the categories. But that might not be as effective, or it might make the game more interesting. Before we do that, I mean, is there anything you want to say about Damon and Affleck? What they mean to the movies? Obviously they're, they are spiritual guides for you, Amanda.
41:53 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah. And, and as you said, they're 90s guys. They came up in the 90s as we were starting to log on to movies. I've talked a lot about how both Good Will Hunting and their Oscar speech were points to me being like, I'm paying attention now. There are people who seem to like the same things like I like about movies, but they're younger and they have a, like an interest in old Hollywood, but you know, they're smarter, but they like to have fun. So, but I do think they're also really interesting case studies because they did come up together. And they're like two actors who experienced a lot of fame and success very early on. And then what are the choices you make? And what do you do with that?
42:34 Amanda Dobbins? And, you know, I think some of those choices were made for them by, by the media or by the interest. And I'm of course talking about Ben Affleck, but you know. Damon goes like the pure like director's route and figures out like a non superhero franchise. Affleck goes to Michael Bayland, then goes to Jennifer Lopez land, then starts directing, you know, like the ups and downs and where they are. And they haven't, I think that like traditional narrative would be like, oh, Damon, you know, easily outstripped him. And maybe in terms of quality of films, yes, but like, they've been up and down, you know, throughout the 30 years.
43:17 Amanda Dobbins? So it's, it's just an interesting like business school study of what does it mean to be a movie star in our lifetime?
43:22 Speaker 05 I think Matt Damon has like, one of my favorite bodies of work of an active actor right now. I got into a fight with Bill about Brad Pitt versus Matt Damon when we were talking about F1.
43:35 Sean Fennessey? A fight?
43:36 Speaker 05 It was just an argument about like, who's a bigger star? And I was like, I actually think that Damon has more bigger movies in a way.
43:42 Sean Fennessey? I think Brad Pitt is more famous.
43:45 Speaker 05 Yes.
43:46 Amanda Dobbins? But it's for similar reasons.
43:48 Speaker 05 I agree with everything that Amanda said, and I'll just highlight, I find their current iteration of like, how they're relating to the world and the business, to be basically like this really cool extension of almost like, the character that William Goldman inhabits in Adventures in the Screen Trade, where they're both really charming, articulate guardians of movie making.
44:13 Sean Fennessey? They're ambassadors.
44:14 Speaker 05 And so whether you're watching Damon on Conan, or Damon talking to Michael B. Jordan recently about all the technical aspects of playing Smoke and Stack, or, you know, Affleck talking to Fincher about Mank, you know?
44:28 Amanda Dobbins? Affleck explaining cameras to Jennifer Lopez?
44:31 Speaker 05 It's just like.
44:32 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. Listen to Affleck interview Josh Safdie about Marty Supreme.
44:35 Speaker 05 Yeah.
44:36 Amanda Dobbins? Affleck on the Criterion Closet.
44:37 Speaker 05 Yeah, exactly. And so Affleck picking Menace to Society over Boys in the Hood. Like, they're just really.
44:44 Sean Fennessey? They love movies. They know movies. They really understand movies and they love talking about movies. So it makes their external personas. Just kind of more interesting than like George Clooney. You know, like George Clooney is a good star and he's made some really good movies. It's been a rough 20 years for George Clooney, honestly. But he's just not as interesting. He's more interesting talking about the world than he is talking about Hollywood and films. And he doesn't have that same like cinephile thing that Damon and Affleck.
45:08 Speaker 05 I also don't think, I don't know. I wouldn't actually want to disparage him by saying this, but like, I was gonna say something along the lines of like, I think George Clooney stopped challenging himself by working with directors that might push him in different directions. Whereas I think Matt Damon does that pretty routinely and also plays around a lot with like, the role he has in Interstellar is quite, quite dangerous for a guy who's like, I am the hero.
45:31 Sean Fennessey? Totally agree.
45:32 Speaker 05 I don't want anybody to ever doubt that like, I am the good guy in this movie.
45:36 Sean Fennessey? Yes, which is part of why that's, in my opinion, the most effective part of that movie. It is the most surprising thing in the movie. Yeah, I mean, I'm a, I'm a big fan of theirs. I think they both have fascinating taste. I think the way that you described it is dead on. However, Affleck does also have a Best Picture winner under his belt as a filmmaker. So they, they're kind of neck and neck in this perverse way. If you wanted to put, pit them against each other somehow. And I think they're also, their friendship I find very charming. You know, the fact that they like stuck it out and have not been broken by what is genuinely a nasty business, where people are trying to pit you against each other all the time. The fact that they have each other's backs and they built this company and the aftermath of their success is very cool.
46:13 Amanda Dobbins? Ben Affleck was the only celebrity who got to visit the set of The Odyssey.
46:17 Speaker 05 Well, that's cool.
46:18 Amanda Dobbins? It was like pretty much according to him. It was like a pretty close set. And then he got to show up, just, just Ben. That's beautiful.
46:25 Sean Fennessey? You weren't invited. After all that pre-work you did, all that elbow grease on Blue Thunder and everything.
46:30 Speaker 05 I mean, I'm sure you'll get your premiere invite any day now.
46:33 Sean Fennessey? You think so?
46:33 Speaker 05 Yeah.
46:34 Sean Fennessey? You think Chris will call me personally? Okay, well, let's talk about the categories before we set the draft order, okay? So as-
46:42 Amanda Dobbins? You don't like the categories.
46:43 Speaker 05 No, I just said that they were different.
46:45 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, okay.
46:46 Sean Fennessey? As with Clooney Pitt, here's what we did. We did blockbuster, $100 million or more at the box office, Oscar nominee, Matt and Ben together, directed or produced by, supporting role and wildcard. Now, the one question I have for you guys is Oscar nominee.
47:02 Speaker 05 So does it have to be in their name or is it a movie that they were in?
47:08 Amanda Dobbins? I think that we can do it.
47:11 Speaker 05 But we have to respect it.
47:12 Amanda Dobbins? No, I don't even think that you can do it without breaking it.
47:16 Speaker 05 Yeah, but if you just have to be like, if somebody picks one of these movies in another category, then that takes one of like three out of this.
47:24 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
47:26 Sean Fennessey? So we could extend this category to mean any movie that they were in that was nominated for an Academy Award, which is something that we do in other drafts.
47:35 Speaker 05 In the year drafts.
47:35 Sean Fennessey? Or we could say this is a movie that only has six potential candidates.
47:39 Amanda Dobbins? Then let's widen it so that we can get more movies in.
47:42 Sean Fennessey? I'm fine with that.
47:43 Speaker 05 Okay.
47:43 Sean Fennessey? I don't, you know, we don't have to kill each other during this.
47:45 Amanda Dobbins? I didn't do that work, so it'll kind of be on the fly.
47:47 Sean Fennessey? I didn't either, so we'll be doing it together.
47:49 Amanda Dobbins? That's okay.
47:50 Sean Fennessey? Um, you did do that work.
47:51 Amanda Dobbins? Congratulations.
47:52 Sean Fennessey? Because you were afraid and you were going to lobby for this. I know you so well. It's fucking insane how well I know you. As I was doing this last night, I was like, I know what C R is going to say.
48:00 Speaker 05 What do you mean?
48:01 Sean Fennessey? He's going to be like, this category is too tough. It's going to fuck up the game. I need, we need to widen it so that I can take Interstellar here or whatever.
48:08 Speaker 05 I didn't have Interstellar in my, my top five for Oscars.
48:11 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
48:11 Speaker 05 Yeah.
48:12 Sean Fennessey? You want to read your top five right now?
48:13 Speaker 05 No.
48:15 Sean Fennessey? How do you feel about the drafts?
48:17 Speaker 05 I feel great about them. Aren't they an excuse for us to just, just chew the fat?
48:21 Sean Fennessey? They are.
48:22 Speaker 05 You know?
48:22 Sean Fennessey? They are. How do you feel about them? You've done quite a few these days.
48:25 Amanda Dobbins? I look forward to seeing Christopher Ryan, you know?
48:28 Sean Fennessey? That's nice. You never see him outside of this.
48:30 Amanda Dobbins? I honestly, he was traveling for a long time. I see him, you know, there's a way to keep him in Los Angeles for an extended period of time. So it's really nice. You know what I will also say is that I do, we have the smaller table now. And I thought a lot about how now I like, I can like push you and when you use the roller chair. I know, and I watched the video back just to see that you actually did like sail slightly, which I really, which I really enjoyed. So I like that element of it now in 2026.
48:59 Sean Fennessey? I like them too.
48:59 Amanda Dobbins? Okay, good.
49:00 Sean Fennessey? I have a lot of ideas for them. We're not stopping.
49:02 Speaker 05 Oh, good, because I thought for a second you were like, we're sundowning this.
49:05 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, we got two weeks off and I came up with a lot of stuff.
49:07 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
49:07 Sean Fennessey? I'm pretty excited.
49:08 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
49:10 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
49:11 Amanda Dobbins? Where do your best ideas strike you? Like, what time of day? Where are you? And you're like, no, we gotta do the...
49:18 Sean Fennessey? Uh, as you know, I have a very annoying schedule where when I'm not recording, I have nine Zooms planned. And so if I can get a day
49:25 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
49:26 Sean Fennessey? with no meetings,
49:27 Amanda Dobbins? Mm-hmm.
49:28 Sean Fennessey? I can come up with a lot of shit.
49:29 Amanda Dobbins? But, but so you're in front of the laptop? It's not just like walking around. You're not at the playground.
49:34 Sean Fennessey? It's either that or furiously masturbating.
49:37 Amanda Dobbins? You know what?
49:39 Sean Fennessey? No, it's, uh...
49:40 Speaker 05 Bogoshed slash line.
49:42 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, my god.
49:44 Sean Fennessey? Well, the problem that I have, I'm glad you asked this.
49:46 Amanda Dobbins? Now, I'm no longer glad I asked it. Continue.
49:49 Sean Fennessey? Whenever there's dead time, like when I'm driving, for example, I had a long drive yesterday. I drove all the way to Culver and all the way back.
49:55 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, you did end up going?
49:56 Sean Fennessey? I did. I went to go see Crime 101.
49:58 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
49:58 Sean Fennessey? Um, and it was a long drive there and a long drive back. And I just listened to pods the whole time. So I'm not actively thinking about anything. I'm listening. And I fill a lot of my dead time with that.
50:08 Speaker 05 It's like in, in modern life, the, the input's never off, you know?
50:11 Sean Fennessey? That's very true. And I'm, I'm very susceptible to additional inputs wherever I can find them, as opposed to just sitting quietly with my thoughts.
50:18 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
50:19 Sean Fennessey? Um, but when focused on the show, it's not that hard. I'm, I love doing the show.
50:24 Amanda Dobbins? I, I do too. I was just wondering if there's a place where inspiration strikes. You know, you were on a plane recently. I was wondering if Plane Sean got activated.
50:31 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, that's a very powerful force.
50:32 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, I know.
50:34 Sean Fennessey? Don't unleash that force.
50:35 Speaker 05 Was that a good flight for you?
50:36 Sean Fennessey? To New York?
50:37 Speaker 05 Mm-hmm.
50:38 Sean Fennessey? Uh...
50:39 Amanda Dobbins? Productive?
50:40 Sean Fennessey? The way home. Yeah, it was very productive.
50:41 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, I heard a lot from you on the way home.
50:43 Sean Fennessey? Did you?
50:43 Amanda Dobbins? I was like, yeah, and I was like, sir, it is Saturday morning and I am in charge of two, two children.
50:49 Sean Fennessey? I got a lot of ideas. Just got a lot of ideas.
50:51 Speaker 05 I wish you guys, it'd be cool if you got her a pager. And you would be like.
50:57 Sean Fennessey? Star 911. Call me back immediately. I have a draft idea.
51:02 Speaker 05 Call me back immediately. Go see Primate.
51:06 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
51:08 Speaker 05 How's Troy Kotzer in Primate?
51:10 Sean Fennessey? It's just the funniest damn thing you've ever seen. Academy Award winning actor.
51:14 Speaker 05 Recently seen in Black Rabbit with Jason Bateman and.
51:17 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, was he?
51:17 Sean Fennessey? Okay, this is the first time I've seen him since Coda.
51:19 Speaker 05 Yeah.
51:20 Sean Fennessey? Um, and the film when it because he's deaf, the film, um, cuts out sound whenever he appears. There's a one moment in particular where there's a violent, uh, ape.
51:32 Sean Fennessey? Uh, encounter.
51:33 Speaker 05 Yeah.
51:33 Sean Fennessey? Happening in the other room and he can't hear it. And he's just like doo doo doo, like cleaning up his kitchen. Um, his performance is fine.
51:40 Speaker 05 Okay.
51:40 Sean Fennessey? He, he is on the, there was the sending end of one of the dumbest text exchanges in movie history, which I encourage people to check out when they see it, where he's corresponding with a veterinarian. Uh, or actually, you know, a DNA specialist around veterinary science.
51:54 Speaker 05 Okay.
51:54 Sean Fennessey? Where he's, uh, questioning their expertise.
51:57 Amanda Dobbins? I don't think that you're watching enough new romantic comedies to weigh in on the dumbest text exchange.
52:04 Sean Fennessey? That's probably true.
52:04 Amanda Dobbins? In sematic history, but you can do this like asterix, you know, uh, animal attack division.
52:11 Sean Fennessey? I, I take your people we meet on vacation and raise you a primate. That's all I'm gonna say.
52:15 Speaker 05 I'll say for achievement in text messaging on screen, he did Rivalry is excellent with that.
52:20 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
52:20 Speaker 05 Because they'll be texting and then they do like Scorsese push up shots, you know?
52:25 Sean Fennessey? Let's do it. Let's cut back to, um, Wednesday night. I, I got home. I had to go pick up my credit card somewhere. Walked in the house. It's a long story. Walked in the house. Eileen is.
52:35 Speaker 05 Did you close out a bar? And you forgot your card?
52:38 Sean Fennessey? I'll tell you right now what happened. I left my credit card in the bar in New York when I was in New York, because man who doesn't go to bars anymore.
52:46 Speaker 05 Seven years you do something really fucking stupid.
52:48 Sean Fennessey? Really stupid. Fortunately, I was there with David Simpson, Griffin Newman, and Griffin just so happened to be coming to Los Angeles.
52:53 Speaker 05 That's nice.
52:53 Sean Fennessey? So he picked up the credit card, brought it to me. I went and met him on Wednesday. It was very nice.
52:58 Amanda Dobbins? Thank you, Griffin.
52:58 Sean Fennessey? Got to see him and some friends. Then I came home and I came home and Eileen is watching Heated Rivalry. And I walked in.
53:03 Speaker 05 What episode?
53:04 Sean Fennessey? She was on episode three.
53:05 Speaker 05 Yeah.
53:06 Sean Fennessey? And she paused it. And the first thing she said to me was, Chris likes this?
53:10 Speaker 05 Yeah.
53:13 Sean Fennessey? And then she went on to tell me about the extraordinary amount of gay sex in the TV show. I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it.
53:18 Speaker 05 I'm down for anybody who wants to get after it.
53:20 Amanda Dobbins? I'm gonna try it this weekend. People listening to this all have already hopefully tried it.
53:25 Speaker 05 Post Martin Luther King, you'll update.
53:27 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, exactly.
53:27 Speaker 05 The fanbase. I think, I hope Eileen enjoys it.
53:31 Sean Fennessey? She seemed to be enjoying it. Yeah, I haven't checked it out. This episode is brought to you by LinkedIn Ads. Ever invest in something that seemed incredible at first but didn't live up to the hype? Marketers know that feeling. They optimize for the numbers that look great, impressions, reach, and reacts. But when they don't show revenue, well, that's a not-so-great conversation with the CFO. LinkedIn has a word for that: bullspend. Instead, why not invest in what looks good to your CFO? LinkedIn Ads generates the highest ROAS of all major ad networks. Reach the right buyers with LinkedIn Ads. You can target by company, industry, job title, and more. So cut the bullspend, advertise on LinkedIn, the network that works for you. Spend $250 on your first campaign on LinkedIn Ads and get a $250 credit for the next one. Just
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55:21 Sean Fennessey? Let's just get the draft order from Jack. Jack, Matt and Ben, you in?
55:25 Speaker 07 Sure.
55:26 Speaker 05 I almost want to come back and check on this.
55:28 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
55:29 Speaker 05 Your fucking Mets hat back there and your glib smile.
55:32 Speaker 07 You know, this morning I put on a David Wright Chase Stadium Edition jersey and my girlfriend looked at me and she said, "They just signed a player, Jack. Like, just relax." So I took it off, just wearing the hat.
55:43 Sean Fennessey? You know what it is? Here's what happened.
55:44 Amanda Dobbins? It's also like, if you'd had to get dressed last night, you would have lit everything on fire.
55:51 Speaker 07 That is very true.
55:52 Amanda Dobbins? It's just the ups and downs, I think.
55:55 Speaker 05 You didn't even want him.
55:56 Sean Fennessey? But the thing is that this, we spent this whole offseason feeling like, they don't care about us, they're trying to reset, they're gonna play the kids, this is a slap in the face, they let players we love walk. You would not do this deal if you weren't going for it. It would make no sense. So they showed us that they're going for it and I appreciate it.
56:13 Amanda Dobbins? But like, didn't they lose the guy they really needed? So aren't they only half going for it?
56:19 Sean Fennessey? Uh, well.
56:20 Amanda Dobbins? And I read that, so they offered 50 million a year and then he ultimately signed for 60 million a year. Doesn't seem...
56:27 Speaker 07 They offered 60 for the first two years.
56:29 Sean Fennessey? They offered 55 average annual. Yeah.
56:32 Amanda Dobbins? He doesn't have 20 extra million?
56:34 Sean Fennessey? I don't think that's really what it was.
56:35 Speaker 05 It was like Kyle Tucker just wants to be able to be a free agent, not Kyle Tucker, Bob Shet wants to be able to be a free agent again.
56:41 Amanda Dobbins? No, but I'm talking about Kyle Tucker.
56:42 Speaker 05 Well, he also wants to be able to be a free agent again because he has the two and three opt-outs.
56:45 Sean Fennessey? There were opt-outs also in the Mets deal and the Mets were paying a bigger signing bonus and there were no deferrals. So it was a better deal to sign with the Mets. That would have been, but Kyle Tucker's like, "I'm a coward and I want to sign with the Dodgers. I want to win because I'm a coward." That's really what that's about. So fuck him.
57:00 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
57:00 Sean Fennessey? We don't need him.
57:00 Speaker 05 And if the Dodgers are listening, Sean is also available.
57:03 Sean Fennessey? Fuck them. I don't give a shit.
57:07 Sean Fennessey? What are we, like, caping for the Dodgers because we live in LA?
57:09 Speaker 05 No, no, they're gonna ruin the sport.
57:12 Sean Fennessey? Uh, okay. What's the order?
57:14 Speaker 07 Chris first, Sean second, Amanda third.
57:17 Amanda Dobbins? Okay. Kind of got fucked here, but what are you gonna do?
57:21 Sean Fennessey? Is there, in your mind, a clear number one?
57:25 Speaker 05 Uh, well, especially if we'd kept the Oscar nominations in the traditionalist way.
57:31 Sean Fennessey? Then the answer would be yes.
57:32 Speaker 05 And I will actually, in honor of that philosophy, do the same thing I would have done anyway.
57:37 Amanda Dobbins? I mean.
57:38 Speaker 05 Say Good Will Hunting in Oscar.
57:40 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
57:40 Sean Fennessey? I do feel that this is the number one overall pick.
57:42 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, of course.
57:44 Sean Fennessey? This is the fourth consecutive time you've gotten the number one overall pick?
57:47 Speaker 05 No, it's not.
57:48 Sean Fennessey? I think it is.
57:49 Speaker 05 No, it's not. And I didn't.
57:50 Amanda Dobbins? This is definitely the second time in a row that I'm on the turn at a time when it matters.
57:56 Speaker 05 Next time this happens, if I'm first and somebody else has the turn, I'll take the turn. I love the turn.
58:00 Sean Fennessey? I feel like you had first in New York.
58:03 Speaker 05 Did I?
58:03 Sean Fennessey? I think so.
58:04 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, Die Hard.
58:05 Speaker 05 Oh, DH with a V.
58:06 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, DH with a V.
58:07 Speaker 05 That was if anything showed the discrepancy, the disconnect between the liberal elites and the real people listening to the show, it was that. It was you guys being like, "Die Hard with a Vengeance, are you fucking crazy?" And all the people were like, "Ah."
58:20 Sean Fennessey? So the insinuation there is that two liberal elites host the show and yet all regular people listen to the show. How could that possibly be?
58:27 Speaker 05 Well, I mean, I just don't think they have enough options, you know?
58:29 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, that's the issue. That is also something Eileen once said, where she was just like, "Why is no one competing with your podcast?"
58:36 Sean Fennessey? It's obviously not true. She just doesn't know the entire landscape of movie podcasting. Good Will Hunting, you like that film?
58:42 Speaker 05 Yeah, love it. We did, uh, rewatchables for it, uh, in Boston with Rusolo and Bill.
58:48 Sean Fennessey? Lot of fun.
58:48 Speaker 05 Great Rusolo story about Bunker Hill College.
58:51 Sean Fennessey? Yes, that's right.
58:51 Speaker 05 Um, and, um, yeah, it was, this is, this is, this is where it all began.
58:57 Amanda Dobbins? Same.
58:58 Speaker 05 Well, actually, where it all began, and it's always delightful to hear their stories about these guys going out for Dead Poets Society, these guys going out for different movies like coming up, and so they, they were trying to get into, to films before this and obviously wrote themselves into Hollywood history.
59:15 Amanda Dobbins? Where are you on the William Goldman conspiracy theories with this movie?
59:18 Speaker 05 I don't believe it. I think, I think at this point, it's probably like Goldman and Reiner both had some suggestions and they followed them.
59:24 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
59:24 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, I mean, I agree as well.
59:26 Speaker 05 I think just saying, take the CIA plot out of this or whatever is a good idea.
59:30 Sean Fennessey? It's still strange to me, though, that there's not another movie that's just the two of them that they wrote that is like a character drama. Like, that is something that we do need in Hollywood is guys, and women, obviously, but these two guys specifically doing it.
59:46 Amanda Dobbins? It's fine.
59:47 Sean Fennessey? We need someone.
59:47 Speaker 05 Women may also speak to one another.
59:49 Sean Fennessey? They're allowed to if they want to.
59:53 Sean Fennessey? I wish they would write another movie. It doesn't have to be Good Will Hunting 2: Hunting Season. You know, it needs to be something else, but I would like to see them do it.
59:59 Speaker 05 Was last duel Nicole Hovsenter's script that they also wrote on? Or was it their script and they had her come in and do?
1:00:06 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, they had her come in.
1:00:07 Sean Fennessey? They brought her in for her perspective.
1:00:08 Amanda Dobbins? A woman. Yeah.
1:00:11 Speaker 05 And it was the better for it.
1:00:15 Sean Fennessey? Do you feel that you're a woke movie watcher?
1:00:17 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, my God.
1:00:17 Speaker 05 Uh, in what sense?
1:00:19 Sean Fennessey? Like, are you thinking about what's the diversity of this storytelling?
1:00:24 Speaker 05 No. I'm just thinking about whether it's true. It feels true.
1:00:28 Sean Fennessey? Whether it feels true.
1:00:29 Speaker 05 Whether it feels true.
1:00:29 Sean Fennessey? Not if it's a true story.
1:00:30 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:00:31 Sean Fennessey? What about you?
1:00:35 Sean Fennessey? Afraid to answer.
1:00:35 Amanda Dobbins? You have a pick.
1:00:36 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
1:00:40 Sean Fennessey? I'm gonna go with directed or produced by and take the town.
1:00:43 Amanda Dobbins? I mean, it's what I would have done too. So, I mean, that's why this is how I got fucked.
1:00:47 Sean Fennessey? That they have directed or produced. There's plenty of good movies of that category.
1:00:52 Amanda Dobbins? I know, but I wanted one of those too.
1:00:54 Speaker 05 And you don't think executive producer counts, right?
1:00:56 Sean Fennessey? This is not, no. It's gotta be, you gotta have a hand in actually making it.
1:01:00 Amanda Dobbins? The Lindas want you to open the door.
1:01:04 Amanda Dobbins? Just, this movie fucking rips.
1:01:06 Sean Fennessey? We also showed the town when we were in Boston for that. Rewatchables at the Coolidge Corner and, uh, we stayed, did we stay for the whole movie?
1:01:13 Speaker 05 We stayed for a lot of it.
1:01:14 Sean Fennessey? I feel like it's a very addictive movie.
1:01:16 Amanda Dobbins? I rewatched it the other night and I was like, oh, I'll be fine. And then they do the second, the like, North Boston.
1:01:21 Speaker 05 Where they get caught.
1:01:22 Amanda Dobbins? The nuns, yeah. And I was like, okay, well, I'll just like, watch this and then I'll turn it off. And then, you know, it just like, keeps going. And then, like, they're starting Fenway and it's like, well, I can't.
1:01:32 Sean Fennessey? It's very involving. Even after 100 times, it's very involving.
1:01:35 Speaker 05 Posse waits Fergie, uh, late-breaking Rewatchables character.
1:01:40 Sean Fennessey? He's coming in this year?
1:01:41 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:01:41 Speaker 05 He's making some appearances.
1:01:43 Sean Fennessey? And what did he do to his mother?
1:01:45 Speaker 05 He gave her a little taste.
1:01:46 Sean Fennessey? Gave her a little taste.
1:01:49 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, I love this movie.
1:01:50 Speaker 05 I did Jard Dotty the chemical way.
1:01:54 Sean Fennessey? This category might actually be a little harder than than Oscar nominee now.
1:01:58 Speaker 05 It is hard, yeah.
1:01:58 Sean Fennessey? So this is why I put it here. Yeah, The Town's great. I think his other movies that he's directed are good, except for Live by Night, which I think is very strange, and we can talk about that if it ends up getting picked at all. But that's the only movie of theirs, really, that I've only watched one time.
1:02:11 Speaker 05 Yes.
1:02:13 Sean Fennessey? But yeah, I love The Town. So easy pick there. Okay, Dobbins, we got two picks.
1:02:18 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, I do. Okay, so I mean, I would have picked Good Will Hunting 1 and The Town 2. And it opens up a little bit here. There are obviously a lot of movies that we all love that are eligible here, so I guess I'll just go with
1:02:43 Amanda Dobbins? in blockbuster, I'll take Gone Girl, which is still the single best movie made about Ben Affleck. And there have been many at this point. He is an interesting concept to investigate. The Town, in many ways, could be seen as a movie about Ben Affleck trying to understand parts of himself. But great movie. We screened it as a part of the Friends of the Fest at the American Cinematech, and that was really, really fun.
1:03:11 Sean Fennessey? Played so beautifully.
1:03:11 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:03:12 Sean Fennessey? Everyone laughed exactly where you should.
1:03:14 Amanda Dobbins? Yes. So I'll do that in blockbuster, because we used to be a country where Gone Girl, directed by David Fincher.
1:03:20 Speaker 05 Was a blockbuster?
1:03:21 Amanda Dobbins? Was a blockbuster.
1:03:22 Sean Fennessey? Didn't they make like 350 million dollars?
1:03:24 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, no, it was insane.
1:03:25 Sean Fennessey? That was great.
1:03:25 Speaker 05 Did you see the photo of Adventures of Cliff Booth, where the clapboard photo?
1:03:30 Sean Fennessey? Oh, that they wrapped.
1:03:31 Speaker 05 And it says "Tелеplay by Quentin Tarantino"? Thought that was funny.
1:03:35 Amanda Dobbins? That's cute.
1:03:36 Sean Fennessey? Well, does that mean it will feel more like a TV movie then?
1:03:39 Speaker 05 I'm fine with that.
1:03:41 Amanda Dobbins? Okay. And then...
1:03:43 Sean Fennessey? We know Quentin loves a 70s TV movie.
1:03:44 Amanda Dobbins? Because we've opened up Oscar nominee, I can, in directed or produced by Take Manchester by the Sea.
1:03:52 Speaker 05 Yes.
1:03:52 Amanda Dobbins? Which is, Matt Damon produced that, the absolutely devastating Kenneth Lonergan movie about New England. It's not, it's outside Boston, right?
1:04:03 Speaker 05 Outside of Boston.
1:04:05 Amanda Dobbins? And...
1:04:07 Amanda Dobbins? Not being able to get past your mistakes, uh, which, you know, in this case, I don't know whether I, it's not possible to, but most movies try to sand that off or to give you hope.
1:04:17 Speaker 05 The single greatest what if of Matt Damon's career.
1:04:19 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:04:20 Sean Fennessey? It's if he had taken this part.
1:04:21 Speaker 05 Taken the Casey Affleck part, yeah.
1:04:24 Sean Fennessey? I think we got the best version of the movie, personally, and it seems like it was, I mean, he's the one who put Casey up for it, right? And that's part of the reason why.
1:04:31 Speaker 05 I think they worked it for a long time and it was like, if we're gonna, if we do this, like I'm busy for the next three and a half years and so I will step aside and if you, if I step aside, I want Casey to play the part.
1:04:44 Sean Fennessey? A, an unusually funny episode of the Rewatchables about this movie. That is perhaps the saddest film of all ten.
1:04:52 Sean Fennessey? I love that movie. Great pick. Okay. I've got another pick. This is a tough one because I don't know where you're gonna go and so I need to account for what you're gonna get on the turn. How do I be strategic and just get something I really want right now at the right time?
1:05:09 Sean Fennessey? Or do I just follow my heart?
1:05:10 Amanda Dobbins? Hmm.
1:05:11 Sean Fennessey? And say, come what may.
1:05:14 Sean Fennessey? Like, for example, I don't care about Jason Bourne. I'm on the record about that. Like, those movies don't really do it for me, so I don't need to, but like you do.
1:05:19 Speaker 05 Why don't they do it for you?
1:05:20 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:05:21 Sean Fennessey? I don't know. I don't dislike them, but I don't, I'm not a subscriber to the cult.
1:05:26 Amanda Dobbins? But isn't your favorite the one with Renner?
1:05:29 Speaker 05 I really, really love it. I think my favorite is, uh, Supremacy, the second one.
1:05:34 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:05:36 Sean Fennessey? Hmm.
1:05:37 Speaker 05 Although huge fump of potent.
1:05:40 Amanda Dobbins? I was gonna say, yeah.
1:05:43 Sean Fennessey? I'll, I'll.
1:05:47 Amanda Dobbins? It's okay. Take your time.
1:05:48 Sean Fennessey? It's tough.
1:05:48 Amanda Dobbins? We're camping.
1:05:49 Speaker 05 You picked what? Your first?
1:05:50 Sean Fennessey? I took the town and directed or produced it by.
1:05:53 Speaker 05 Alright.
1:05:55 Sean Fennessey? And I guess you can only get so many here, right? You can only take so many away from me, so. I'll just take what I think is the best entrant in this category, which is Matt and Ben together in Dogma.
1:06:07 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:06:09 Sean Fennessey? They're amazing in this movie, which was like, kinda lost to time.
1:06:12 Speaker 05 Mm-hmm.
1:06:13 Sean Fennessey? I interviewed Kevin Smith on the pod last year. I asked him two questions. He spoke for one hour.
1:06:17 Amanda Dobbins? Yes.
1:06:19 Sean Fennessey? God bless him for it. He told great stories. The movie has since been reissued on 4K. I looked at it last night. It looks great.
1:06:25 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:06:27 Sean Fennessey? Matt and Ben play fallen angels in this movie.
1:06:29 Speaker 05 They're awesome in this movie.
1:06:30 Sean Fennessey? They ha- this is, you'll laugh because it's a Kevin Smith movie, some of Ben Affleck's best acting ever.
1:06:36 Speaker 05 Is the conference room scene the best they've ever been together?
1:06:40 Sean Fennessey? No, the parking garage. That's the best.
1:06:41 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, yeah. It is. It's good.
1:06:43 Sean Fennessey? That with them going back and forth about the nature of God and order in a Kevin Smith movie is legitimately exciting to me.
1:06:53 Sean Fennessey? I've always had a really soft spot in my heart as a fallen angel of sorts as well, a lapsed Catholic. And I really appreciate that Kevin Smith, after making a bunch of dick joke movies, attempted to do something like this. This is also something that I think is missing from the movies right now, even though it's a little clunky at times. But I just think they're really, really special together. And all these other movies, I think, are not bad that they're in together. I like them.
1:07:14 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:07:15 Sean Fennessey? But this feels to me like their essence in the 90s.
1:07:17 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah. It is also the most you of them together.
1:07:20 Sean Fennessey? I'm following my heart.
1:07:21 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:07:22 Speaker 05 So this is an interesting place where the categories wind up dictating the choices a little bit more than my personal taste. But be that as it may, I'll go Matt and Ben together and take The Last Duel.
1:07:36 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:07:37 Speaker 05 There's not that many of them left. I think in the long test of time, The Last Duel eclipses The Rip. Although I probably had more fun watching The Rip.
1:07:47 Amanda Dobbins? Sure. Well, I'm just, I mean, neither subject matter is uplifting.
1:07:51 Speaker 05 No.
1:07:51 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:07:51 Amanda Dobbins? But I would say that The Rip has more fun, except for Ben Affleck, who's having a great time throughout The Last Duel.
1:07:58 Speaker 05 In The Last Duel, yeah.
1:07:59 Sean Fennessey? I think The Last Duel's quite good.
1:08:01 Speaker 05 Me too.
1:08:01 Sean Fennessey? A little bit overlooked because of the period in which it was released and...
1:08:05 Speaker 05 And also the amount of movies Ridley Scott was putting out at that time.
1:08:08 Sean Fennessey? It was a two movie year for Ridley, right?
1:08:09 Speaker 05 Was that House of Gucci?
1:08:10 Sean Fennessey? I think so, yeah. And so it kinda got a little pushed aside, but it is also a tough sit. And the way that the movie concludes is quite serious.
1:08:16 Speaker 05 Yes.
1:08:17 Sean Fennessey? But I think the movies are good.
1:08:19 Speaker 05 Yeah. So I'll do that and I will do Argo for directed or produced by.
1:08:24 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:08:24 Speaker 05 And Argo...
1:08:29 Speaker 05 It's just a very well-made, it's like Moneyball to me. If you can distract yourself from its truthfulness, it is like a very well-made genre film.
1:08:40 Sean Fennessey? Mm-hmm.
1:08:41 Speaker 05 Um, it's kind of-
1:08:42 Amanda Dobbins? Excuse me. So you, when you watch Moneyball, you're holding its truthfulness against it?
1:08:47 Speaker 05 No, I just think it's worth noting that-
1:08:49 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:08:49 Speaker 05 They had an excellent pitching staff. That comes up zero times in Moneyball.
1:08:54 Amanda Dobbins? Everyone is very, very raw about baseball right now, is what I'm learning.
1:08:58 Speaker 05 No, I, I worship Moneyball.
1:09:01 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:09:01 Sean Fennessey? Right. It's Eric Chavez, Miguel Tejada, Barry Zito, Mark Mulder, and who was the-
1:09:06 Speaker 05 Tim Hudson.
1:09:07 Sean Fennessey? And Tim Hudson were, are not mentioned.
1:09:09 Speaker 05 It's just that these guys won the division by having Scott Hatterberg walk.
1:09:14 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
1:09:14 Speaker 05 Yeah. Just, that's all that happened.
1:09:16 Amanda Dobbins? And then he hit the homerun at the really important moment, okay? And the sound cuts out, so.
1:09:20 Speaker 05 It's awesome.
1:09:21 Sean Fennessey? The movie's great.
1:09:22 Amanda Dobbins? How can you not be romantic about baseball?
1:09:24 Speaker 05 So is Argo, even though it sounds like it was-
1:09:26 Amanda Dobbins? It's Argo rules. Argo's really good.
1:09:27 Speaker 05 Seamless departure from Tehran for those guys.
1:09:30 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
1:09:31 Speaker 05 Makes it seem like they're being chased, you know? Uh, but it's just an excellently well-made movie, and also like the Hollywood stuff in Argo is so great.
1:09:37 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:09:38 Speaker 05 So happy to have that.
1:09:38 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, Arkin and Goodman are fantastic in the movie. Um.
1:09:42 Amanda Dobbins? You have another pick?
1:09:43 Sean Fennessey? I have another, he just grabbed two. He had the last duel in Argo.
1:09:45 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, that's right, okay.
1:09:46 Sean Fennessey? So now, I've got a pick. This is just feel, I'm going Oscar nominee, The Martian, just because there are vanishingly few, uh, acting nominations for our, our, our figures here.
1:09:59 Amanda Dobbins? Right, but we opened it up, right?
1:10:00 Sean Fennessey? I know, but I, I feel better about-
1:10:02 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:10:03 Sean Fennessey? -picking The Martian here, because Damon is the absolute center of the movie. He's phenomenal in this movie. It's also a hugely nominated movie, two, four, six, seven nominations, zero wins for The Martian.
1:10:13 Speaker 05 Mm-hmm.
1:10:14 Sean Fennessey? Shameful.
1:10:14 Speaker 05 Is somebody supporting, not in this?
1:10:16 Sean Fennessey? No supporting. It's screenplay, production design, sound editing, and sound mixing, and visual effects along with picture.
1:10:22 Speaker 05 What a crazy cast this movie had.
1:10:24 Sean Fennessey? Really good.
1:10:25 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:10:25 Sean Fennessey? Really good.
1:10:28 Sean Fennessey? I like this movie a lot. I think, I think this is the, perhaps the best use of Damon's talents in a film. In terms of his ability to sell.
1:10:37 Speaker 05 It's a very, it's basically-
1:10:39 Sean Fennessey? Intelligent.
1:10:40 Amanda Dobbins? Right.
1:10:40 Sean Fennessey? Overcoming struggle, like, he really, he uses all of his pitches.
1:10:44 Speaker 05 His talk show host, his talk show guest persona.
1:10:47 Amanda Dobbins? Yes.
1:10:47 Speaker 05 Put into a giant blockbuster.
1:10:49 Sean Fennessey? Yes. Obviously, a lot of credit to the, the novel and the story and the framework that he fit, but he slides right into it beautifully. Speaking of Ripley Scott, two Ripley Scott movies off the board already. Okay, Dobbins, you got two picks.
1:11:00 Amanda Dobbins? I'm gonna take the other side of Matt Damon in Oscar nominee, and it is, he was not nominated for an actor, a best actor for this, but he should have been, so I feel comfortable putting the talented Mr. Ripley in this space.
1:11:13 Speaker 05 Great.
1:11:15 Amanda Dobbins? Which is my favorite Matt Damon performance, and it is, it is everything that The Martian is not. And it comes very soon after Good Will Hunting, and he plays against his charisma and his, confidence and is just like a really messed up weirdo, and I, I just couldn't love this movie more. So.
1:11:37 Sean Fennessey? You also screened this movie at the American Cinematheque.
1:11:39 Amanda Dobbins? I did!
1:11:40 Sean Fennessey? A trend is on.
1:11:41 Amanda Dobbins? Yes, for Friends of the Fest, so. Also, my other two things in this category are The Martian Argo, which you guys already took, so. Talented Mr., I'm, like, I could have found something else, but that was all the Googling that I did. So now I have Matt and Ben together, supporting role and wildcard left. I have a cute idea for Matt and Ben together, so.
1:12:03 Sean Fennessey? I think I can guess what that is.
1:12:04 Amanda Dobbins? And I think that, yeah, and I don't think that you guys are gonna take it anywhere else, so.
1:12:11 Sean Fennessey? So you're gonna wait.
1:12:12 Amanda Dobbins? So I'm gonna wait.
1:12:12 Speaker 05 Ooh.
1:12:13 Amanda Dobbins? And I think I can go into supporting role.
1:12:17 Sean Fennessey? You sure you don't want me to just take school ties and wildcards right now, because I'll do it?
1:12:21 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, it's not that, it's a different one.
1:12:22 Sean Fennessey? It's not that, okay, great.
1:12:23 Amanda Dobbins? It's a different one, but, you know.
1:12:27 Amanda Dobbins? Let's see, but so, I think now I just gotta go with what I want in supporting role.
1:12:32 Sean Fennessey? Hmm.
1:12:34 Amanda Dobbins? Even though I think you guys would go for the most obvious one, but I'm gonna be cute and true to my heart and supporting role as well and take Ocean's 12.
1:12:42 Sean Fennessey? Oh, wow.
1:12:44 Amanda Dobbins? Which, you know, it's an ensemble film, yeah. And, no, that's 13. This is no I. I wasn't in Four Weddings and a Funeral.
1:12:52 Sean Fennessey? He is more of the star of 12.
1:12:55 Amanda Dobbins? Yes, but it's an ensemble. Listen, okay? Like, I know what you're saying.
1:12:58 Sean Fennessey? You know what I mean?
1:12:59 Amanda Dobbins? Linus does get his moment.
1:13:01 Sean Fennessey? Does he get the most lines in the movie?
1:13:02 Speaker 05 Oh, I thought Brad Pitt was the star of 12.
1:13:04 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, because of the Catherine Zeta-Jones stuff. And it's like Danny handing it over to Rusty. And Linus, like, does come into his own at the end of 12.
1:13:11 Sean Fennessey? He says a huge part at the end, yeah.
1:13:12 Amanda Dobbins? And then he, then that sets him.
1:13:13 Sean Fennessey? He's so funny.
1:13:14 Amanda Dobbins? He sets him up for 13.
1:13:15 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:13:16 Amanda Dobbins? But...
1:13:16 Sean Fennessey? Is he the star of 13? I gotta re-watch 13.
1:13:18 Amanda Dobbins? I think if you have to pick a star, he would be 13, yeah. But so I choose him in Ocean's 12, which is just an absolutely wonderful movie. And does embody, like, were I Adam Sandler and I could just pay for everyone, like, everyone I love to be in a fun movie together, like, I would, I would pick Ocean's 12. And I'd pick all those people and I'd pick those locations. And, you know, I'd learn some parkour and it would be a great time.
1:13:47 Sean Fennessey? Is it south of France, Monaco? Where are they? Where's Catherine Zeta-Jones living? Where's the Night Fox?
1:13:52 Speaker 05 Well, Night Fox is in the south of France.
1:13:54 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, so that's south of France. But I think they do the heist in Rome. I think that's where the egg is gonna be on display. No, no, no, it's in Italy because they filmed it, like, not at Clooney's Como place, but like nearby.
1:14:08 Speaker 05 That's where Albert Finney is at the end, right?
1:14:11 Amanda Dobbins? No, I think he's somewhere else, on a different island.
1:14:14 Sean Fennessey? Can I make a request?
1:14:15 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:14:15 Sean Fennessey? Will you guys refer to me as the Night Fox going forward?
1:14:17 Speaker 05 Sure. If you can do the dancing through the laser booms, I will call you the Night Fox.
1:14:23 Sean Fennessey? I think I need to stretch a little more to be able to figure that out. How about this? What if you just referred to me as the Night Fox not in my presence?
1:14:28 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:14:28 Sean Fennessey? Like, will the Night Fox be there?
1:14:29 Amanda Dobbins? That's great.
1:14:30 Speaker 05 Do you know what time Night Fox is arriving? So, was that two or did you just pick one?
1:14:35 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, that was two, because they did Talented Mr. Ripley.
1:14:37 Sean Fennessey? Okay, so I'm up.
1:14:42 Sean Fennessey? I'm going blockbuster and I'm taking The Departed.
1:14:44 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, okay.
1:14:46 Sean Fennessey? Which I, are you upset?
1:14:47 Amanda Dobbins? No.
1:14:47 Sean Fennessey? You just ice grilled me there.
1:14:49 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, like you just, you held that reaction a little bit longer.
1:14:53 Speaker 05 No, I was thinking, I was, I actually, when you said The Departed, I was like kicking myself for not talking about The Departed during the rip.
1:15:02 Sean Fennessey? Oh.
1:15:02 Speaker 05 Because I was like, this movie wanted to be more like Den of Thieves than The Departed.
1:15:06 Sean Fennessey? I mean, I mentioned it. She didn't mention that he-
1:15:08 Amanda Dobbins? Just the Matt Damon of it all. But you're right, that it fans away from The Departed and to-
1:15:13 Speaker 05 The Rat Damon.
1:15:14 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:15:14 Sean Fennessey? Rat Damon, that's right.
1:15:16 Speaker 05 Can you call me Rat Damon? I'm not around.
1:15:19 Sean Fennessey? Matt Damon, not nominated for an Academy Award in this film, despite-
1:15:24 Speaker 05 Shockingly.
1:15:24 Sean Fennessey? Some of his best work, obviously Leo is also terrific in this movie. This movie won Best Picture, but didn't really get like all of those hosannas that you usually expect for a movie like this. And it makes the Marty win feel even more like a makeup win or something, because like this movie didn't get nine wins, even though I think it is pretty clearly lived on. It's the 20th anniversary of The Departed this year and-
1:15:44 Speaker 05 I wonder if we'll re-re-re-repart? No, we've-
1:15:47 Sean Fennessey? We've reparted, we need to re-repart.
1:15:49 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:15:50 Sean Fennessey? I could pot about this movie any day of the week. It is fabulous and super weird, as you pointed out over the years, the way that it's made where it just feels like, like they're like pre-torn jeans, the movie, you know, it's just kind of like messy and burnt on the edges and the editing style is kind of insane.
1:16:04 Amanda Dobbins? Tell me more about your concepts of pre-torn jeans.
1:16:06 Sean Fennessey? Well, I've just spoken with Jack Fisk and he told me all about it, so-
1:16:09 Amanda Dobbins? Sure. Oh, he's distressing the jeans?
1:16:11 Sean Fennessey? Well, he explained how they age things on set.
1:16:13 Speaker 05 But you don't mean like-
1:16:14 Amanda Dobbins? Right, but that's very different from the like fake distress that you're walking into at Urban Outfitters.
1:16:19 Sean Fennessey? You'll have to listen to the interview to learn how a master does it.
1:16:22 Amanda Dobbins? He's doing it with craft.
1:16:23 Speaker 05 Are you implying that Sean gets his clothes from Urban Outfitters?
1:16:25 Amanda Dobbins? I really don't know at this point. I don't think-
1:16:27 Sean Fennessey? I'm having Jack Fisk make all my clothes.
1:16:28 Amanda Dobbins? I don't know if Rag and Bone is selling distressed jeans at the silhouettes that Sean is looking for.
1:16:33 Sean Fennessey? I don't know. Perhaps.
1:16:35 Amanda Dobbins? What, what number is it again?
1:16:36 Sean Fennessey? Three? Right in the middle there?
1:16:39 Speaker 05 You're gonna try and get sponsored by Rag and Bone?
1:16:41 Sean Fennessey? Doesn't hurt.
1:16:42 Amanda Dobbins? Do you, do you do like a distressed jean ever?
1:16:45 Speaker 05 No.
1:16:45 Amanda Dobbins? Are you wearing new jeans or are you exclusively vintage at this point?
1:16:48 Speaker 05 I buy Levi's 502 made in Japan.
1:16:51 Amanda Dobbins? Okay, but vintage or new made?
1:16:54 Sean Fennessey? How are those tariffs working out?
1:16:55 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:16:56 Speaker 05 I'm taking a little bit of advantage.
1:16:59 Speaker 05 I don't get them from Japan.
1:17:00 Amanda Dobbins? Okay, but no.
1:17:01 Sean Fennessey? You don't fly to Japan to get them?
1:17:02 Speaker 05 I should though, the dollar is stronger.
1:17:04 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, but.
1:17:04 Sean Fennessey? Is it selvage? Like, what are we talking about here?
1:17:06 Speaker 05 I'm wearing them right now. Those jeans.
1:17:07 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, but they're not distressing.
1:17:08 Sean Fennessey? Can I touch them?
1:17:09 Speaker 05 Yes. So weird.
1:17:10 Amanda Dobbins? Zip, the flyer, button fly?
1:17:13 Speaker 05 Zip.
1:17:13 Amanda Dobbins? Okay, oh, interesting. Yeah.
1:17:15 Speaker 05 Is that wrong?
1:17:16 Amanda Dobbins? No, I just, you know.
1:17:17 Sean Fennessey? You think that makes him less of a man?
1:17:21 Amanda Dobbins? I, uh, I prefer a straight button fly these days.
1:17:25 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:17:25 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, I'm only doing vintage also.
1:17:27 Speaker 05 Okay.
1:17:28 Sean Fennessey? Wearing button fly as well.
1:17:31 Sean Fennessey? Blockbuster's a loaded category. The Departed was at the top of my list. A lot of contenders here. Have you taken Blockbuster yet?
1:17:37 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:17:38 Sean Fennessey? Okay, so you have places to go.
1:17:39 Speaker 05 You have another pick?
1:17:40 Sean Fennessey? Nope, you have two picks now.
1:17:43 Speaker 05 In Blockbuster, I'll take Armageddon.
1:17:45 Sean Fennessey? Wow.
1:17:45 Speaker 05 Which is kind of the first, for one thing, I wanted to waited a little bit for Ben. I don't think I'm gonna pick another Affleck starring film or Affleck kind of fountain movie. Armageddon also, Blockbuster, you know, these guys are pretty popular people, so a lot of different kinds of movies are blockbusters for them, but Armageddon is the capital B blockbuster.
1:18:08 Amanda Dobbins? I was seriously considering this in wild card in order to expand my Ben palette.
1:18:14 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah.
1:18:14 Amanda Dobbins? You know?
1:18:15 Speaker 05 So that's the funny thing about this.
1:18:17 Amanda Dobbins? Because I don't know if my final is gonna represent
1:18:19 Speaker 05 Your actual love for him.
1:18:20 Amanda Dobbins? My passion, yeah.
1:18:21 Speaker 05 It's, to me.
1:18:22 Sean Fennessey? You gotta swerve now then.
1:18:23 Speaker 05 The long list is 80/20 Matt, to me. 70/30 Matt?
1:18:29 Sean Fennessey? It's so, it's tough because. Ben directed three really good movies.
1:18:34 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:18:35 Sean Fennessey? And one, I think one truly great movie, which I drafted, and then two movies that I like a lot.
1:18:39 Speaker 05 Oh.
1:18:39 Sean Fennessey? So that does, it does balance the scales a little bit, but Damon's just cuts, I think being in Ocean's Born.
1:18:46 Speaker 05 And Nolan movies.
1:18:48 Sean Fennessey? Is just like, pretty overwhelming.
1:18:49 Speaker 05 Yeah. Um, but yeah, I know that Born's in here and a lot of stuff, but Armageddon to me is when I close my eyes and think of a summer blockbuster, it's this.
1:18:58 Amanda Dobbins? When he sings "Leaving on a Jet Plane," are you kidding me?
1:19:01 Speaker 05 Independence Day or whatever.
1:19:02 Amanda Dobbins? Like, are you fucking kidding? My, my 15-year-old heart just absolutely shattered.
1:19:08 Sean Fennessey? Why didn't you draft it? What are you doing? Why didn't you draft that movie?
1:19:10 Amanda Dobbins? Because I got Gone Girl, which is still the single best movie about Ben Affleck. I stand by my choice. And also, I believe in a world where that movie is eligible for blockbuster, okay? So that's, that's pre-Netflix venture. So whatever. But it's, yeah, it's powerful. I'm just, I'm backing him up.
1:19:28 Sean Fennessey? Okay, cool. I like Armageddon too.
1:19:31 Speaker 05 Uh.
1:19:31 Amanda Dobbins? I was mean about the jeans, so, you know?
1:19:33 Speaker 05 To whom's?
1:19:34 Amanda Dobbins? To you, to the ZipFly. I'm sorry about that.
1:19:36 Speaker 05 There's nothing wrong with a zipper fly.
1:19:37 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, well.
1:19:38 Speaker 05 What's wrong with it? Why don't you get into it? With your whole chest. What's up with zip flies?
1:19:46 Amanda Dobbins? Well, I will actually tell you that post, uh, carrying two children, the zipper fly provides like a structural support that's like helpful to me. The button, yeah, there's a.
1:19:54 Speaker 05 A button fly.
1:19:54 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, the button fly. Yeah, sorry. Um, so that's a, that's a practical take.
1:19:59 Sean Fennessey? He's kind of like racing on a, like an earthquake zone home, which is not like how it works.
1:20:04 Amanda Dobbins? Literally, yes.
1:20:05 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, like racing the foundation.
1:20:06 Amanda Dobbins? I know, like you're, you're like making a joke, but like this is what I'm dealing with every day, right? The skin, you know.
1:20:12 Sean Fennessey? Do you feel as though you may topple over at any moment?
1:20:14 Amanda Dobbins? Um, not anymore in that way.
1:20:17 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
1:20:17 Speaker 05 Emotionally?
1:20:19 Amanda Dobbins? And that's more of a core support, you know? Like, you should look into that, because I'm lifting stuff all day, and as are you.
1:20:25 Sean Fennessey? I'm not lifting stuff?
1:20:25 Amanda Dobbins? Right, that's what I'm saying. And your back is suffering, and I'm, you know, I'm doing my little workouts and I'm wearing my button fly jeans as a brace.
1:20:33 Speaker 05 This is not something I give a lot of thought to.
1:20:36 Sean Fennessey? You can't get this on any other movie podcast. So when my wife asks me, why is no one compete? You can't compete with this conversation about button fly versus zipper fly. This is one of one content.
1:20:46 Speaker 05 I do have some jeans that are button fly, but when I put jeans on, it's not like what's the fly?
1:20:52 Amanda Dobbins? I mean, it's also like the vintage 501s are button fly. And then the 505s are zipper, which I was like trying for a while, but they don't really hold their structure.
1:21:01 Speaker 05 Go be, I don't, I don't look good in 501s.
1:21:04 Amanda Dobbins? That's okay. Have you tried on enough?
1:21:07 Speaker 05 I think so. Yeah.
1:21:08 Amanda Dobbins? Well, we should go to American rag sometime, you and me.
1:21:10 Speaker 05 You and I go jean shopping. It's incredible. This incredible content. Good YouTube content.
1:21:15 Sean Fennessey? You will not find that on Ringer Movies, just for brevity. Okay, Sierra, you've got another pick.
1:21:20 Speaker 05 I'm gonna take born supremacy and wildcard.
1:21:22 Sean Fennessey? Good. Wasn't on my board.
1:21:26 Speaker 05 This is probably the sort of like the peak of the green grass iteration of these movies. I'm not a big Jason Bourne fan. The third one is good, but two is the one that features the huge twist in the beginning, plus the Russia car chase, so.
1:21:44 Sean Fennessey? Cool.
1:21:44 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:21:45 Speaker 05 And Matt Damon is really good as Jason Bourne.
1:21:49 Sean Fennessey? Did you see The Lost Bus? With Paul Greengrass? You're looking at me like you've never seen me before.
1:21:55 Speaker 05 Thinking that I almost put Paul Greengrass's new movie up on the auction, where it's about a peasant rebellion in the 14th century.
1:22:03 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
1:22:03 Speaker 05 And that looks sick.
1:22:04 Sean Fennessey? That film's called The Uprising.
1:22:06 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:22:06 Sean Fennessey? It stars Andrew Garfield and Jamie Bell. I'm very excited about that movie.
1:22:10 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:22:10 Amanda Dobbins? Love both those guys.
1:22:11 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. It's actually produced by Blumhouse.
1:22:13 Speaker 05 I did not see Lost Bus. I know that it's right there on my Apple TV, but I didn't see it.
1:22:18 Sean Fennessey? Was not a big fan. Greengrass, I really like, generally. And I think his post Bourne output is a little underrated.
1:22:25 Speaker 05 Have you ever?
1:22:26 Amanda Dobbins? What was the Tom Hanks pandemic movie? Yeah, well, sure, but News of the World is what I was talking about.
1:22:31 Sean Fennessey? Which is, I thought, pretty good.
1:22:32 Amanda Dobbins? I mean, he definitely just goes around town reading the news to people, but like, you know?
1:22:38 Sean Fennessey? That's peak podcasting.
1:22:40 Amanda Dobbins? It's how we got our information.
1:22:42 Sean Fennessey? Absolutely right. Uh, okay. So you got two there.
1:22:47 Amanda Dobbins? What do you have left?
1:22:49 Sean Fennessey? What do you have left?
1:22:50 Speaker 05 I have a supporting role.
1:22:52 Sean Fennessey? I have a supporting role left too and I'll be taking Dazed and Confused just to get my Ben numbers up.
1:22:56 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, okay.
1:22:57 Sean Fennessey? Um, Obanyon, legendary piece of shit.
1:22:59 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:23:01 Sean Fennessey? Affleck has done this part a few times. I also revisited Mallrats last night as Shannon.
1:23:05 Speaker 05 What's his way of describing, uh, anal sex in that?
1:23:08 Sean Fennessey? Uh.
1:23:09 Speaker 05 I'm gonna have sex with her.
1:23:10 Sean Fennessey? In an uncomfortable place.
1:23:12 Speaker 05 And they're like, like in the back of a Honda.
1:23:16 Sean Fennessey? A very deranged movie. I watched the movie last night, watched the extended cut. You guys familiar with this?
1:23:20 Speaker 05 No.
1:23:21 Sean Fennessey? It's two hours and one minute.
1:23:22 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, good, okay.
1:23:22 Sean Fennessey? There's like a whole 15 minutes at the beginning of the movie that sets up Michael Rooker's character as like the, you know, the guy who's gonna run this game show.
1:23:30 Speaker 05 The chocolate pretzel guy, yeah.
1:23:32 Sean Fennessey? And there's lots of Claire Forlani and Jason London stuff at the beginning of it.
1:23:36 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:23:37 Sean Fennessey? They're like, I didn't know existed. They like really sliced and diced this movie and then served it up to us, which, you know, is a favorite of ours and we watched as teenagers and it's extremely stupid, though Jason Lee, possibly the single best performance of the 90s is Jason Lee in Mallrats. He's the funniest person who's ever lived. I don't know what the hell happened to that dude.
1:23:56 Sean Fennessey? Dazed and Confused, though, perfect film.
1:23:58 Amanda Dobbins? Mm-hmm.
1:23:58 Sean Fennessey? Five-star classic.
1:23:59 Speaker 05 Nice.
1:23:59 Sean Fennessey? Nice introduction for Affleck, who is a very, I think, a very recognizable insecure bully. Uh, I remember older kids in my high school that were like this guy, uh, overcompensating and extremely mean to small children. So, uh, him getting the paint dumped on him, iconic shit. Love this movie. Okay, Amanda?
1:24:21 Speaker 05 So what do you have left?
1:24:21 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, I have my last two. Uh, I have Matt and Ben together and I have Wildcard. So Matt and Ben together, uh, Matt and Ben famously, uh, had cameos in the Fenway scene at Field of Dreams.
1:24:33 Sean Fennessey? Oh, that's true.
1:24:34 Amanda Dobbins? So I will be taking Field of Dreams.
1:24:35 Speaker 05 Fucking sneaky little...
1:24:36 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, see, there it goes.
1:24:37 Sean Fennessey? It is eligible.
1:24:38 Amanda Dobbins? That's what happens when you get the third pick, you gotta be creative.
1:24:41 Sean Fennessey? It is eligible.
1:24:42 Speaker 05 That's a great call.
1:24:43 Amanda Dobbins? Field of Dreams, just an absolutely, uh, amazing Costner performance. I also, this has nothing to do with Matt and Ben, but was re-watching scenes of Truth or Dare in order to get ready for the moment and remember when Kevin Costner meets Madonna in Truth or Dare? Just very funny.
1:24:57 Speaker 05 What does he say to her? He's like...
1:24:58 Sean Fennessey? Pretty neat.
1:24:59 Amanda Dobbins? That is neat. Thanks for having us.
1:25:00 Speaker 05 I like how I react to eating mushrooms at a small place restaurant.
1:25:04 Sean Fennessey? Oh, it's neat.
1:25:06 Amanda Dobbins? Anyway, I didn't get the Fenway raid from the heist from the town, but I got Field of Dreams. And then I have Wild Card, which could go a few different ways. So I was gonna do Armageddon for to get at my Ben. And obviously, God, Maybe Gone is still on the table. You know, at one point I had the accountant two indirect or produced by produced by as like a back pocket situation.
1:25:33 Sean Fennessey? Tough one.
1:25:34 Amanda Dobbins? Which I mean, it's tough.
1:25:35 Sean Fennessey? That would've been rough.
1:25:36 Speaker 05 Who directed The Accountant Two?
1:25:37 Sean Fennessey? Gavin O'Connor.
1:25:38 Speaker 05 That's right.
1:25:38 Sean Fennessey? Who directed The Accountant?
1:25:39 Amanda Dobbins? Remember the team of hackers at the school?
1:25:43 Speaker 05 Oh, my God, I forgot about that.
1:25:44 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, yeah.
1:25:45 Speaker 05 It was like the accountant to Havoc. And what was the third one that we did together? This is basically this time last year.
1:25:51 Sean Fennessey? The amateur?
1:25:51 Speaker 05 The amateur.
1:25:52 Sean Fennessey? The amateur, yeah.
1:25:53 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, yeah, I really wish the amateur were better.
1:25:57 Sean Fennessey? Just needed a different lead.
1:25:58 Amanda Dobbins? It did, yeah.
1:26:00 Sean Fennessey? But put Andrew Garfield in the in there.
1:26:02 Amanda Dobbins? Ah, that would be good.
1:26:03 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:26:04 Amanda Dobbins? So I could do my Affleck, but you, I guess, and you already did Born Supremacy. So what would I even, should I do?
1:26:21 Amanda Dobbins? I don't really think I want to do Shakespeare in Love, even though I do like that movie and he's good in it.
1:26:25 Sean Fennessey? What, you're in Wild Card right now?
1:26:26 Amanda Dobbins? Gwyneth Paltrow, yeah.
1:26:27 Sean Fennessey? Okay. Jack of the Mets on anything since he started?
1:26:31 Amanda Dobbins? Well, I'm just.
1:26:31 Sean Fennessey? I don't believe so. Okay.
1:26:33 Amanda Dobbins? Okay. So there's no time limit on when they can, it's not like.
1:26:37 Speaker 05 I mean, all the guys will be gone over the weekend, probably.
1:26:40 Sean Fennessey? Time limit on baseball, you mean?
1:26:41 Amanda Dobbins? It's not like there's not a deadline.
1:26:43 Sean Fennessey? No, this is something that people have been asking for in the sport because this has been a really elongated offseason. But I mean, pitchers and catchers in three weeks.
1:26:49 Speaker 05 Holds all his guys, you know, hostage for a while.
1:26:51 Sean Fennessey? He does. There's still some big players on the board, though. From Bervalde still unsigned.
1:26:59 Sean Fennessey? How do you feel about losing Ranger?
1:27:02 Speaker 05 I mean, I liked him.
1:27:05 Amanda Dobbins? I'll do Gone Baby Gone. I'll do Gone Baby Gone.
1:27:07 Sean Fennessey? Gone Baby Gone?
1:27:07 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:27:08 Sean Fennessey? Good pick.
1:27:09 Speaker 05 Wow.
1:27:10 Amanda Dobbins? Well.
1:27:10 Sean Fennessey? Ranger Suarez owned the Mets, so I'm happy to see him go.
1:27:12 Amanda Dobbins? I respect Ben Affleck.
1:27:14 Speaker 05 Gone Baby Gone's an incredible movie.
1:27:16 Amanda Dobbins? It's an awesome and really upsetting. Also, like, Amy Madigan back in the news, you know?
1:27:20 Sean Fennessey? Good point.
1:27:20 Amanda Dobbins? So it's very upsetting.
1:27:23 Speaker 05 Yeah, I tried to get Bill to do it and he was like, it's too upsetting.
1:27:25 Amanda Dobbins? It's really, really upsetting. I rewatched some of it last night and I was like, oh. Oh, yeah, that's true. Hereditary is funnier, though. Yeah.
1:27:33 Speaker 05 Yeah, with the coke house and Gone Baby Gone is really sad.
1:27:36 Amanda Dobbins? Not to, not to spoil 20, not to spoil Bone Temple and Hereditary, so I guess fast forward, but, um.
1:27:44 Sean Fennessey? Hereditary's 10 years old.
1:27:45 Amanda Dobbins? Well, you never know with people on this show. Just like absolutely grow up.
1:27:49 Speaker 05 If they had one other movie podcast to listen to, maybe they could find one that doesn't spoil Bone Temple.
1:27:54 Amanda Dobbins? So people being lit on fire, it's like, doesn't bug me at all. I just think it's kind of cool. There I am on that. That's, that's my take.
1:28:02 Sean Fennessey? We should get you into the Halloween movies, because I feel like Michael Myers is frequently being lit on fire. And then five minutes later, he's like, I'm fine.
1:28:09 Speaker 05 It's so interesting you should say that, because I was talking to Phoebe last night about different things on the pit that gross us out versus stuff that doesn't. And she's really not into anything with skin.
1:28:21 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, yeah, skin is upsetting, but like, I don't want to.
1:28:24 Speaker 05 Which Bone Temple.
1:28:25 Amanda Dobbins? I don't want to see them after they've been lit on fire.
1:28:27 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:28:28 Amanda Dobbins? But like, when they burst into flames, I'm just like, ooh.
1:28:30 Speaker 05 But I'm like.
1:28:30 Amanda Dobbins? The power of fire.
1:28:31 Speaker 05 Almost all, I need you to get four fingers in there and lift that up.
1:28:36 Amanda Dobbins? Eat me, the American Prometheus.
1:28:39 Sean Fennessey? The power of fire.
1:28:41 Amanda Dobbins? Anyway, Gone Baby Gone is a very upsetting.
1:28:44 Sean Fennessey? Haven't revisited this in a while. I'd like to see it again. I like this movie a lot.
1:28:46 Speaker 05 It's quite good.
1:28:50 Sean Fennessey? The board really just played it completely in my favor. I got everything I wanted and I'm gonna get what I wanted at wild card, so I'm really happy about it.
1:28:55 Speaker 05 Congratulations. How wild are you gonna get?
1:28:57 Sean Fennessey? Well, I just feel like I've been stymied quite a bit in drafts recently.
1:28:59 Speaker 05 So you're gonna pick Oppenheimer here?
1:29:00 Sean Fennessey? No, I'm gonna get Take Rounders, which is
1:29:02 Speaker 05 Oh, sure.
1:29:03 Sean Fennessey? one of my favorite movies of all time.
1:29:04 Speaker 05 Okay.
1:29:04 Sean Fennessey? And, um, some of the best Damon you'll ever see. And I think one of his great star parts, star turns, as a kind of classical, to your point earlier about how they're kind of these like emissaries of Hollywood who stand for a certain kind of thing, the part in Rounders as constructed is something that, you know, Paul Newman could have played, that any, any great star from the 50s, 60s, 70s, or 80s could have played, and Damon fits that so comfortably. I love that movie. I've talked about it incessantly over the last, whatever years I've been podcasting. Feeling good about it.
1:29:40 Speaker 05 Uh, so I have one, my last pick then?
1:29:43 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
1:29:43 Speaker 05 Supporting role, Saving Private Ryan. Ah, okay. There's a ton of really good Matt Damon work out there that I could shout out for supporting role, from one of his breakthroughs in Courage Under Fire to his appearance in Che, Part Two.
1:29:59 Sean Fennessey? Mm-hmm.
1:30:01 Speaker 05 But I, I think I'm- No sudden move? No sudden move, more of it like a cameo, but an incredible cameo. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but yeah, I will go with Saving Private Ryan, just watched like, uh, very delightful, I think he was talking to, I can't remember who he was talking to, but Damon telling an anecdote about Spielberg like doing two takes and moving on and being like, just trust me, like I know how to make a movie. He's interesting in this movie just because I think when I watched it, I wasn't like, that guy's gonna be in my life for the next 35 years as a major movie star. Yeah. Like, he's supposed to be a little bit annoying in this film, they're supposed to-
1:30:37 Sean Fennessey? It's a genius aspect of the screenwriting is to make him kind of an ingrate and to be, you know, ungrateful for, for this journey that these men have gone on.
1:30:45 Speaker 05 Exactly. So, uh, but a fantastic performance in a, in a five-star all-timer movie.
1:30:52 Sean Fennessey? Lot of really good Ben supporting parts that are a little bit lost to time.
1:30:58 Speaker 05 Like Boiler Room?
1:30:59 Sean Fennessey? Boiler Room's one, right? It's a great, that's kind of an extended cameo. Hollywood Land, where he plays George Reeves, who played Superman. He's really, that's sort of kicked off his comeback after the series of misses he had at the box office. I thought he's really funny in Extract. Did you ever see that Mike Judge movie starring Jason Bateman? The guy who owns like a liquid extract company? And Affleck plays his buddy. He's so funny in that movie. Tender Bar?
1:31:22 Amanda Dobbins? I almost did Tender Bar, yeah.
1:31:25 Sean Fennessey? He's very funny in Air, very effective as Phil Knight.
1:31:27 Speaker 05 I was just watching, it was on cable the other night, State of Play?
1:31:30 Sean Fennessey? Oh, yeah.
1:31:30 Speaker 05 Where he plays the congressman, yeah.
1:31:32 Sean Fennessey? I much prefer the British adaptation of that, which I think you put me on to.
1:31:35 Speaker 05 Yeah. That was one of my first, like, there's TV over there and you can get it on like BitTorrent and it's amazing.
1:31:42 Sean Fennessey? I remember you definitely showed that to me.
1:31:43 Amanda Dobbins? There's TV over there.
1:31:45 Sean Fennessey? Pirate Bay is what you used.
1:31:46 Speaker 05 Not that I used any torrenting sites.
1:31:48 Sean Fennessey? You did, you said. You said you did.
1:31:50 Speaker 05 Pam Bondi, don't come at me.
1:31:52 Sean Fennessey? Don't at me. You mentioned Shakespeare in Love, also a good Ben supporting part.
1:31:58 Sean Fennessey? Interstellar, undrafted?
1:32:00 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, well, Chris didn't do it.
1:32:03 Speaker 05 Yeah, I mean, I adore Interstellar. I thought about taking it in Blockbuster.
1:32:08 Sean Fennessey? Is Oppenheimer a supporting part?
1:32:11 Amanda Dobbins? I had it on the list as well, yeah.
1:32:12 Speaker 05 Wasn't he nominated for Supporting Actor?
1:32:13 Sean Fennessey? Don't think so.
1:32:14 Speaker 05 No, he wasn't. He should have been.
1:32:16 Sean Fennessey? Probably.
1:32:16 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:32:17 Amanda Dobbins? He's really good.
1:32:17 Sean Fennessey? He's excellent in that movie.
1:32:18 Speaker 05 This is the most important thing.
1:32:20 Sean Fennessey? In the history of the world. True Grit, also a great supporting part?
1:32:24 Speaker 05 Fuck, yeah, dude.
1:32:25 Sean Fennessey? LaBief?
1:32:25 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:32:27 Sean Fennessey? Love True Grit. Ford v Ferrari?
1:32:29 Speaker 05 Doesn't it feel like Affleck should have been in a Coen Brothers movie?
1:32:33 Sean Fennessey? Does.
1:32:34 Speaker 05 At some point.
1:32:34 Sean Fennessey? Maybe they don't find him funny.
1:32:36 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:32:37 Sean Fennessey? I do. They think he's very funny.
1:32:39 Amanda Dobbins? But he's funny in a different way than George Clooney is funny. Like the unknowing or the true dumb humor that they do with Pitt, too. Ben Affleck's not like dumb funny.
1:32:51 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:32:53 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, you can see him trying to do that specifically in Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back.
1:32:57 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:32:57 Sean Fennessey? And Jay and Silent Bob Reboot.
1:32:59 Speaker 05 Yes.
1:33:00 Sean Fennessey? Doesn't work quite as well.
1:33:01 Amanda Dobbins? No, he's a smart ass. That's, that's the appeal.
1:33:04 Sean Fennessey? Uh, do you guys think about drafting Promised Land?
1:33:07 Speaker 05 I, I had it noted that that was one of, uh...
1:33:09 Sean Fennessey? Gus Van Zandt's Promised Land?
1:33:11 Speaker 05 That was an, an early version of Matt Damon producer actor, right?
1:33:15 Amanda Dobbins? Mm-hmm.
1:33:15 Sean Fennessey? Co-written by John Krasinski.
1:33:17 Amanda Dobbins? Krasinski, yeah.
1:33:18 Speaker 05 Jerry?
1:33:20 Sean Fennessey? Jerry? That's a leading role.
1:33:22 Speaker 05 He edited that movie too, right?
1:33:24 Sean Fennessey? Matt Damon edited Jerry?
1:33:25 Speaker 05 I think so.
1:33:26 Sean Fennessey? The Gus Van Zandt movie? Wow. Very cool. What about Invictus?
1:33:31 Amanda Dobbins? Did not have that on any of my lists.
1:33:33 Sean Fennessey? One of, one of the only acting nominations. Directed by Clint Eastwood.
1:33:37 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:33:38 Sean Fennessey? About the South African rugby team.
1:33:40 Speaker 05 Edited by Casey Affleck, Matt Damon, and Gus Van Zandt.
1:33:43 Sean Fennessey? Only got in the editing bay together.
1:33:45 Speaker 05 Got in the, in the, Avid?
1:33:46 Sean Fennessey? Do you think that the three of us should let Jack take a play off and we cut an episode of The Big Picture together?
1:33:53 Speaker 05 I'll do a lot of VO.
1:33:54 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:33:54 Speaker 05 That's what I'm thinking.
1:33:55 Sean Fennessey? That sounds fucking awesome. You just wanna have more time off, that's all.
1:33:59 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, I get it.
1:34:00 Sean Fennessey? No, I would legitimately like to see. Uh, what else? Any other honorable mentions that we didn't get to?
1:34:07 Amanda Dobbins? I didn't do Bourne Identity because he did Bourne Supremacy. Bourne Identity is my favorite, uh, Europe.
1:34:12 Speaker 05 Oh.
1:34:13 Amanda Dobbins? Seems nice.
1:34:14 Sean Fennessey? Yep.
1:34:14 Speaker 05 The informant.
1:34:15 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:34:16 Speaker 05 Love him, love Matt Damon in The Informant.
1:34:17 Sean Fennessey? That was my backup for Wildcard.
1:34:18 Speaker 05 And in Behind the Candelabra.
1:34:21 Sean Fennessey? Yes, he's great in Behind, very funny in Behind the Candelabra.
1:34:23 Speaker 05 Really? Who's your favorite Matt Damon director, actor partnership? Like, who do you love him with the most?
1:34:34 Sean Fennessey? It's a fun question.
1:34:34 Speaker 05 It's gotta be Soderbergh, right?
1:34:35 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, it is.
1:34:36 Speaker 05 Over Nolan?
1:34:37 Amanda Dobbins? I mean, but that's just, that, that's numbers, you know, that's all the oceans. Cause I, The Informant, he's really good in, but I prefer Damon to either be, like, evil.
1:34:48 Speaker 05 Mm-hmm.
1:34:49 Amanda Dobbins? You know, treading on, like, like really messed up, or, um, like the good guy.
1:34:54 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:34:54 Amanda Dobbins? You know?
1:34:54 Sean Fennessey? Well, so he's had seven movies with Soderbergh?
1:34:57 Speaker 05 Informant, Candelabra, um...
1:34:59 Sean Fennessey? Three, three oceans.
1:35:00 Speaker 05 He's in, uh...
1:35:02 Sean Fennessey? No, no sudden move.
1:35:03 Speaker 05 Side Effects for one scene.
1:35:05 Sean Fennessey? Oh, he's in Side Effects? Uh, he's in Unsane?
1:35:07 Speaker 05 Yep.
1:35:08 Sean Fennessey? Um...
1:35:08 Speaker 05 No, wait, is he in Side Effects or Unsane? Maybe it's Unsane I'm thinking of, yeah.
1:35:11 Sean Fennessey? No, then the, there's one other big one that I'm forgetting right now.
1:35:16 Speaker 05 Jay.
1:35:17 Sean Fennessey? Jay, that was the other one.
1:35:17 Speaker 05 Oh, right.
1:35:18 Sean Fennessey? I think he's in nine Soderbergh movies. I can love it.
1:35:21 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:35:22 Sean Fennessey? That's, I mean, so it's gotta be Far and Away Soderbergh. That's pretty, it's pretty great. Admire that.
1:35:26 Speaker 05 One Scorsese.
1:35:28 Sean Fennessey? Mm hmm.
1:35:29 Speaker 05 Two Noens, or three?
1:35:31 Sean Fennessey? I think it's just Interstellar and Oppenheimer.
1:35:34 Speaker 05 And now Odyssey.
1:35:35 Sean Fennessey? Now Odyssey, right? He's got four, uh, Kevin Smith films.
1:35:40 Speaker 05 Mm hmm.
1:35:41 Sean Fennessey? Right? Mallrats, Chasing Amy, uh, Dogma, Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, Jay and Silent Bob Reboot.
1:35:49 Speaker 05 Five of those, and then two Gus Van Sant's.
1:35:52 Sean Fennessey? Right? Jerry and Goodwill, plus something else.
1:35:54 Speaker 05 Well, he's briefly in Finding Forrester as a cameo.
1:35:57 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:35:58 Speaker 05 Affleck doesn't have that. Affleck doesn't have his guy.
1:36:02 Sean Fennessey? He doesn't.
1:36:04 Amanda Dobbins? I think probably because he thinks he's the guy. His guy is himself.
1:36:06 Speaker 05 His guy sadly was Zack Snyder.
1:36:08 Sean Fennessey? He was the bomb in Phantoms, though. As you may recall.
1:36:13 Sean Fennessey? He, yeah, who is his guy? John Frankenheimer in Reindeer Games?
1:36:16 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:36:17 Speaker 05 John Woo.
1:36:18 Sean Fennessey? John Woo in Paycheck?
1:36:18 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:36:20 Sean Fennessey? I mean, it's Bay. It's Bay.
1:36:22 Amanda Dobbins? It's, I guess so, yeah.
1:36:23 Sean Fennessey? It's Pearl Harbor and it's Armageddon. That's his dude.
1:36:26 Speaker 05 Yeah, I mean, Jake Gyllenhaal's doing Affleck in Ambulance.
1:36:30 Sean Fennessey? Very true. Very true. Ben walked so Jake could run?
1:36:34 Speaker 05 I like that.
1:36:35 Amanda Dobbins? Hmm.
1:36:35 Speaker 05 Jake in In the Bride, I didn't know that.
1:36:37 Amanda Dobbins? Like his own race.
1:36:38 Sean Fennessey? Always running, yeah.
1:36:39 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:36:39 Sean Fennessey? Should Ben run for public office?
1:36:41 Amanda Dobbins? He can do whatever he wants.
1:36:42 Sean Fennessey? I know.
1:36:43 Speaker 05 He's like running, he's like the office manager at Artist Equity. He's like, he's like making sure the pens are there.
1:36:48 Sean Fennessey? Okay, now that we're at the end of the episode, no one's listening anymore. I have one final question around this.
1:36:51 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:36:52 Sean Fennessey? It's not nice, but I'm gonna ask it.
1:36:53 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:36:53 Sean Fennessey? Beard dye?
1:36:55 Amanda Dobbins? For Ben, or, oh, is he using beard dye?
1:36:57 Sean Fennessey? I mean, he obviously is using it.
1:36:58 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, that's okay.
1:36:59 Sean Fennessey? That's okay? That's normal?
1:37:01 Speaker 05 I think he's just, whatever he's, makes him happy and stable.
1:37:05 Sean Fennessey? I'm not shaming him, I'm asking.
1:37:07 Amanda Dobbins? So you're, you're going silver and you have like, it's a nice color, which is nice. But so you're not dying your hair?
1:37:13 Sean Fennessey? No. I'm not saying I won't, but like, I might.
1:37:16 Amanda Dobbins? Do it. So dyeing your hair, either to cover grays or just like in life, is just very normal. So I don't understand how the beard is any different.
1:37:24 Sean Fennessey? Cause he's like a 55 year old man with jet black facial hair.
1:37:28 Amanda Dobbins? Right.
1:37:29 Speaker 05 I think the beard also, like, I think when you dye your beard, it looks weirdly less authentic than when you dye your hair.
1:37:36 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, I mean, it does seem like the beard dyers and groomers are not kind of doing like the layering that they're doing in the hair. And we're not kind of like layering the approach.
1:37:50 Speaker 05 Do you think Ben is zip fly or button fly?
1:37:53 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, he's zip fly. Those jeans are too skinny, you know? I would, I would work with him on that personally.
1:37:59 Sean Fennessey? You're just, you're captured by the fashion industry. You're like, you're concerned for what is on trend relative to Ben Affleck's physique.
1:38:05 Amanda Dobbins? No, I think they are like actually too skinny where he looks, it's like a proportions issue because he's broader up top.
1:38:11 Sean Fennessey? He's got a big refrigerator body, you know?
1:38:12 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, and then they go like, and he's like really sticking, like I think there is like stretch in the jeans, you know?
1:38:20 Sean Fennessey? Sure.
1:38:20 Amanda Dobbins? And I, I don't think we need to go quite a stovepipe. Like I think we could do, it's slim is fine, slim, straight. We don't need to be like a wide leg thing. I'm not on that. But they are, we don't need any stretch jeans. Do you have stretch in your jeans, Sean? Vanessa, good.
1:38:34 Sean Fennessey? Right now, no, there's the three, they're quite loose.
1:38:37 Amanda Dobbins? I can't, you know, tug on them as you did, Chris.
1:38:40 Sean Fennessey? I just touched them.
1:38:41 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:38:42 Sean Fennessey? I just wanted to connect my brother.
1:38:44 Speaker 05 By touching.
1:38:45 Sean Fennessey? Look at his gentle shoulder.
1:38:46 Speaker 05 Yeah, this is a, this is a.
1:38:49 Sean Fennessey? An acrylic material there?
1:38:50 Speaker 05 A top that I'm wearing.
1:38:51 Sean Fennessey? You look like you're like, um, gonna direct traffic, but in, in a war zone?
1:38:57 Amanda Dobbins? It's a nice color on you.
1:38:58 Speaker 05 Thanks. I got it in England.
1:39:00 Amanda Dobbins? Hmm.
1:39:00 Sean Fennessey? England.
1:39:01 Speaker 05 Yeah, but it comes from Japan.
1:39:02 Amanda Dobbins? Hmm.
1:39:03 Sean Fennessey? Tariffs. Are there tariffs in England as well?
1:39:05 Speaker 05 There are.
1:39:06 Sean Fennessey? Wow, interesting. Uh, well, that was an interesting draft. You guys feel good about it?
1:39:10 Speaker 05 Yeah, I thought it was very congenial. There was no like, how fucking dare you. I took, you took Gone Girl, you piece of shit. Shall we recap the teams real quick?
1:39:17 Amanda Dobbins? I'm sad that I didn't get the town especially, you know, that's as soon as the draft order was, I was like, well, it's gone. That's one of the most important pieces of cinema.
1:39:27 Sean Fennessey? Okay, Sierra, you chose first, so what did you get?
1:39:29 Speaker 05 I got, uh, in Blockbuster, I took Armageddon. In Oscar nominee, I took Good Will Hunting. In Matt and Ben Together, I grabbed Last Duel. In Directed or Produced by Argo. In supporting role, I took Saving Private Ryan and in Wild Card, I took The Bourne Supremacy.
1:39:48 Sean Fennessey? In Blockbuster.
1:39:48 Speaker 05 To Call Urban.
1:39:50 Sean Fennessey? Yes. In Blockbuster, I got The Departed. In Oscar nominee, I got The Martian. In Matt and Ben Together, I got Dogma. Directed or produced by, I took The Town. Supporting role, I took Dazed and Confused. And Wild Card, I took Rounders.
1:40:02 Amanda Dobbins? In Blockbuster, I took Gone Girl. And Oscar nominee, The Talented Mr. Ripley. In Matt and Ben Together, Field of Dreams. In Directed or Produced by, Manchester by the Sea. In Supporting role, Ocean's 12. And in Wild Card, Gone Baby Gone.
1:40:16 Sean Fennessey? Pretty good draft. So, next time you hear from us, we will be here 7 a.m. for the Academy Award nominations.
1:40:24 Amanda Dobbins? It's 7 now?
1:40:26 Sean Fennessey? Or 7:30? What did we say, 7:30?
1:40:27 Amanda Dobbins? We can do 7 if you want.
1:40:29 Sean Fennessey? How about 6 a.m.?
1:40:30 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:40:30 Speaker 05 Are you guys doing them like a live reaction or you're just recording?
1:40:33 Sean Fennessey? Just like we always do, pretty early in the morning.
1:40:35 Amanda Dobbins? Because they're announced at 5:30 something because of Once Upon a Time. People watched morning shows.
1:40:42 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, because it's Good Morning America.
1:40:44 Speaker 05 What's the biggest shock that you could see happening?
1:40:46 Sean Fennessey? Shock?
1:40:47 Speaker 05 Yeah. F1 Best Picture or somebody getting left out?
1:40:52 Sean Fennessey? None of the, all of those permutations are so, feel very possible. Something like Leo not being nominated would be shocking. You know, something like that where you're like, someone who we had in, or like Michael B. Jordan, you know, somebody here like, I'm pretty sure this is happening.
1:41:02 Speaker 05 Right.
1:41:03 Sean Fennessey? Being left out. And there, there usually is one thing. I'm Still Here made Best Picture last year and I was like, what?
1:41:11 Speaker 05 Right.
1:41:12 Sean Fennessey? And then that got us all gassed on the secret agent because versus like Brazil.
1:41:16 Speaker 05 Right.
1:41:17 Sean Fennessey? Brazil will reign supreme forever.
1:41:19 Speaker 05 Right.
1:41:20 Sean Fennessey? I don't know. What about for you? Anything that would be really shocking?
1:41:24 Amanda Dobbins? I think that if, what he said about the actors and I guess.
1:41:33 Amanda Dobbins? I wouldn't be shocked if Emma Stone gets in, but you know, if there's like a huge begonia wave, I'll be like, oh, interesting. I didn't see this coming. I think we've been talking, you know, there might be four international features in Best Picture. There might be one, you know? So I think I'll be like, very surprised if It Was Just an Accident gets completely locked out, which it sort of was in the last wave of guild.
1:41:57 Sean Fennessey? It's in play.
1:41:58 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah. And that would be not surprising, but be like, oh, that's not a good look.
1:42:03 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
1:42:04 Amanda Dobbins? It's an amazing film and incredibly germane historical moment. So.
1:42:08 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, it's always interesting when it's something being weaker than you thought, rather than stronger than you thought is always more surprising.
1:42:15 Speaker 05 But the guilds have been weirdly like domestic leaning, but the internationalization of the Academy itself will probably lead to a more.
1:42:23 Sean Fennessey? More interesting reveal of news. Yeah. It's harder to predict because of this because I think you're right. I think if it's four international nominees, we're going to be like, we don't have to worry as much about the pregressors as we used to because they don't really mean a lot relative to what the Academy is now. We'll talk all about it on Thursday morning. Sierra, thank you so much. Three episodes in a row.
1:42:41 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:42:41 Sean Fennessey? You smoked all three.
1:42:42 Speaker 05 I don't know when I'm coming back, though.
1:42:43 Sean Fennessey? Well, when do you want to be back?
1:42:45 Speaker 05 Um, let's see what happens with that iHeart thing. You guys get back to me.
1:42:49 Amanda Dobbins? All right.
1:42:50 Sean Fennessey? I think those awards are in March, so.
1:42:52 Speaker 05 No, I'm sure I'll be back at some point.
1:42:54 Sean Fennessey? My idea, my idea was to do an Oscar snubs draft.
1:42:59 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, that's a great one.
1:43:00 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:43:01 Sean Fennessey? So that could be.
1:43:02 Amanda Dobbins? Is that, how are you defining snubs? Just not nominated or not winning?
1:43:07 Sean Fennessey? I don't know. What do you think?
1:43:07 Amanda Dobbins? Okay, it's open. I mean, the not winning would also be.
1:43:10 Sean Fennessey? There could be you were nominated but didn't win, or they could be you didn't get nominated.
1:43:14 Amanda Dobbins? I mean, you could have different categories. Right. Yeah.
1:43:16 Sean Fennessey? Or we could say just this is just in the 2000s, or this is just in the 90s. There's a lot of permutations that you could do. We've done Best Picture winner draft.
1:43:23 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, but it was polite.
1:43:25 Sean Fennessey? They've been polite. Yeah. We may, we may add some special guests as well to make it a little bit more competitive.
1:43:30 Speaker 05 I'll come back for Crime 101.
1:43:31 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, yeah.
1:43:32 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. I think garbage crime is coming back.
1:43:34 Speaker 05 Okay.
1:43:34 Amanda Dobbins? That's exciting.
1:43:35 Sean Fennessey? I think it's important to talk about it. I think it's important to talk about heat. And. It's important to talk about jeans.
1:43:41 Speaker 05 It's a little disgusting and we won't let it stand.
1:43:45 Sean Fennessey? Heat? We need to get more hours on the board of heat talk. Thanks to Jack Sanders for his work on this episode. Jack, we killed it this week, dude. Lot of recordings. How are you feeling? Top of the world. Next week, no recordings, Monday through Wednesday. I'm fucking pumped. I'm pumped too. Have a great Martin Luther King Day. We'll see you soon.
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