#2459 - Jim Breuer

Jim Breuer is a stand-up comedian, actor, and host of “The Breuniverse Podcast.” He is touring in 2026 with the “Find the Funny” tour.www.youtube.com/@JimBreuerwww.jimbreuer.com/ Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Visible. Live in the know. https://www.visible.com/catfished Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:05Speaker 01

  Training by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

• 0:19Joe Rogan?

  Good to see you, my friend.

• 0:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, you too.

• 0:21Joe Rogan?

  Young Jamie. So, I stopped you.

• 0:24Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 0:25Joe Rogan?

  We were getting coffee. I said, "Stop, hold this." So, what were you saying?

• 0:28Speaker 01

  Um, which one first?

• 0:30Joe Rogan?

  The prostate one.

• 0:31Speaker 01

  Okay, so prostate one.

• 0:32Joe Rogan?

  Let's go straight to the dick.

• 0:33Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 0:34Joe Rogan?

  That is not really the dick. It's like it's behind the dick.

• 0:36Speaker 01

  So, this would be...

• 0:38Joe Rogan?

  I'm an anatomist.

• 0:40Speaker 01

  It is behind the dick.

• 0:40Joe Rogan?

  Is that a word? Anatomist?

• 0:42Speaker 01

  Uh, well, autopsy?

• 0:44Joe Rogan?

  So, bladder contains approximately 5 milliliters of cloudy, yellow urine. The prostate is slightly and diffusely enlarged with marked enlargement of the verumontanum?

• 0:59Speaker 01

  That's how I would've said it.

• 1:00Joe Rogan?

  Uh, the testes are unremarkable. That's the last thing I want anybody to say about my nuts. I want them to say, "Wow, what a great pair."

• 1:09Speaker 01

  Great body, but the nuts are...

• 1:10Joe Rogan?

  Unremarkable.

• 1:11Speaker 01

  Unremarkable.

• 1:12Joe Rogan?

  Unremarkable.

• 1:14Speaker 01

  So, here is a... some sort of discussion between him and someone.

• 1:19Joe Rogan?

  Okay. Uh, the guy says, "Exactly. Not clear what defects hormones might have on that aren't replaced by testosterone. The advantage of taking testosterone, there are two different things. You can have high testosterone and still have a need for Viagra because you don't have a prostate right?" And then Epstein says, "Correct."

• 1:39Speaker 01

  And then at the bottom, they show another document.

• 1:41Joe Rogan?

  Hold on. Let me keep going there?

• 1:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43Joe Rogan?

  So, that's an extreme example. Uh, I was actually going to try and move up one level sort of drug-enhancing life, if you don't mind it. He doesn't mind it. I'm sort of out-of-space thinking. Oh, so he's trying to juice up. So, he's saying, "I'm moving up one level of sort of drug-enhancing life?" I don't know what... I think he means he's gonna start juicing. That's what it sounds like.

• 2:07Speaker 03

  So he doesn't have a prostate?

• 2:09Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't have a prostate, it says.

• 2:10Speaker 01

  There's another document that says something about it. After a radical prostatectomy.

• 2:17Joe Rogan?

  Prostatectomy.

• 2:18Speaker 03

  So when they take out your prostate?

• 2:20Speaker 01

  But that doesn't necessarily say he had his. I think it's a document saying-

• 2:24Joe Rogan?

  But he said he doesn't have a prostate. And it says, "Patient Jeffrey Epstein."

• 2:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:29Joe Rogan?

  It says, "According to the American Urological Association, serum PSA should decrease and remain at undetectable levels after radical prostatectomy."

• 2:39Speaker 01

  And there's other documents where he's-

• 2:40Joe Rogan?

  Prostatomy.

• 2:41Speaker 01

  Contacting doctors that specialize in that very thing.

• 2:47Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so the doctor's saying he had a radical prostatectomy. He's saying he does not have a prostate. But yet, the body, from the autopsy, talks about the prostate is slightly and diffusely enlarged.

• 3:07Joe Rogan?

  So, that's not his body? That's what it seems like.

• 3:11Speaker 03

  I don't buy, I don't-

• 3:12Joe Rogan?

  You don't buy that?

• 3:13Speaker 03

  I don't buy he's dead. Why would you-

• 3:15Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, I don't buy he's dead either.

• 3:17Speaker 01

  Here's the other-

• 3:17Joe Rogan?

  But, however, hold on.

• 3:19Speaker 01

  This is from a attorney. So this is like assistant United States attorney or something.

• 3:25Joe Rogan?

  So, the OCME told me it's signed a confidentiality agreement in connection with the investigation into the murder of Jeffrey Epstein.

• 3:35Speaker 01

  So that's almost six months after he died, they're asking for a document about the investigation of the murder of Jeffrey Epstein.

• 3:44Joe Rogan?

  Was that because there was accusations that it was a murder?

• 3:46Speaker 01

  I don't, you know, don't know.

• 3:48Joe Rogan?

  So, we talked about this before, that eighteen days before he allegedly committed suicide, um, his, uh, he complained that his cellmate tried to kill him. And you know who his cellmate is?

• 3:59Speaker 03

  Who?

• 4:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you don't know?

• 4:00Speaker 03

  No.

• 4:01Joe Rogan?

  Uh, his, uh, I'm Kurt Madzger, you don't know? Oh, you don't know? Uh, his, his cellmate was this gigantic cop who was a murderer. He'd killed four different drug dealers. Yeah, he was a contract killer. This is the, the guy. That's his fucking cellmate.

• 4:18Joe Rogan?

  Look at that gorilla.

• 4:19Speaker 03

  That's, that's a silverback.

• 4:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, dirty cop, murderer. And then they said, "Hmm, most high-profile witness of all time, defendant of all time? Let's put him in jail with a murderer. A guy who contract kills. Dirty cop."

• 4:37Joe Rogan?

  And then he says, they, well, the report was they found him unresponsive with a noose around his neck. Or an orange jumpsuit turned into a rope around his neck. And then he said that his cellmate tried to kill him.

• 4:49Speaker 03

  My question, in, in, in, does anyone really believe he was in a jail cell? Because I know, if I had the guy that can unravel entire government dynasties and take down an entire system, the last thing, dude, he's, he's somewhere about three miles underground with maybe a ball in his mouth with electric rods, you know?

• 5:20Joe Rogan?

  Or he's in Israel sipping Mai Tais.

• 5:22Speaker 03

  Correct. Either place, it's like, that video you said, you sent this on a runaround. We're gonna ask you one more time, or then we're gonna laser off your nipples. I'm telling you right now, we need.

• 5:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I doubt they're doing that to him.

• 5:36Speaker 03

  So it's, yeah, he's, he's either in Israel, like you said.

• 5:39Joe Rogan?

  If they had that, they would just get rid of his body.

• 5:41Speaker 03

  You saw the, you saw the picture of the so-called, that was him in Israel?

• 5:46Joe Rogan?

  I think that's AI.

• 5:48Speaker 03

  I think it's AI too. That's a scary thing with AI.

• 5:50Joe Rogan?

  I think it even had a little AI watermark on it, the one I saw at least. But who knows? It could be a real picture that someone put through AI, but a watermark on it. So that people go, oh, it's AI.

• 6:01Speaker 03

  Right. You don't know.

• 6:03Joe Rogan?

  Did you see the lady that they say looked exactly like Ghislaine Maxwell? I don't think she looked exactly like Ghislaine Maxwell. I think she looked exactly like Ghislaine Maxwell 20 years ago.

• 6:11Speaker 01

  It was a deep fake.

• 6:12Joe Rogan?

  It's a deep fake?

• 6:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:13Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay.

• 6:14Speaker 01

  Sam Tripoli reposted the guy that made it. He made another video too that was not as good, where he's like looking at Benjamin Netanyahu on the street. It's not, it's not nearly as good.

• 6:22Joe Rogan?

  The problem is the aging. She doesn't look aged. She looks younger.

• 6:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:26Joe Rogan?

  But I guess that's what happens when you get out of jail.

• 6:29Speaker 03

  And you get more attractive. Yeah, you get food.

• 6:32Joe Rogan?

  You get sunlight.

• 6:33Speaker 03

  Makeup.

• 6:34Joe Rogan?

  A little, a little, uh, exercise.

• 6:35Speaker 03

  Taking some yoga.

• 6:36Joe Rogan?

  Um, yeah. Is there any video of him in jail? Is there, are there any photos of him in jail? I've never thought about that before, but what you're saying is a good point.

• 6:44Speaker 03

  If you, Joe, if you hell, if, if, let's say you were the person that had all this incredible information around the world, bribery, and do you really think? You take drug lords, you're not killing them. You need the information. So you're gonna bring him somewhere, you're gonna milk him to it, however that is, whether he's tied up, whether he's, you're gonna torment him, be like, listen, I'm telling you right now, we're gonna take care of you. However, I need to know, you say there's tapes, right?

• 7:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 7:15Speaker 03

  Where are the tapes? Write them down. And you're gonna stay, don't feed him, don't feed him until we get that one tape and we have these names in our hands. And that's probably been going on even for, for months, for years. You're not, you're not taking someone like that and going, oh, we're just gonna put this very viable human being into a jail cell where-

• 7:38Joe Rogan?

  With a multiple murderer.

• 7:39Speaker 03

  With two guys making eighteen dollars an hour are gonna watch him.

• 7:43Joe Rogan?

  Who are sleeping.

• 7:44Speaker 03

  But come on, stop.

• 7:45Joe Rogan?

  When the cameras are down.

• 7:46Speaker 03

  Stop, they pre-produce, alright, so let's get the green screen and we have him walking in here, sir, does that look somewhat, and we can release it down the road. It's, uh, it's, it's, it's processed Hollywood nonsense, I don't buy it.

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• 9:01Joe Rogan?

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  links. Head to squarespace.com/rogan for a free trial, and when you are ready to launch, use the offer code ROGEN to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain. Okay, this is assuming, though, that he was working on his own, that he had all this information. So if he's not working on his own, he's working for an intelligence agency, then they have that information as well. So along the way, so there are no secrets that he's holding. They have all the secrets. This is much more likely. So in order for him to be in the position that he was in, allegedly, working for intelligence agencies, working for either the Mossad, the CIA, or both, all the above.

• 11:05Joe Rogan?

  I would assume that along the way, all of the information was shared. I do not believe they would let one person have access to all that information and store it themselves. I think they would have access to it at every step of the way. They would communicate with him at every step of the way. And they would probably have, like, if I was running a government agency like that, I would say, "Tell me what's going on. What do you have on Bill Gates? What do you have on Les Wexner? What do you have on these guys? Yeah. What are they willing to do? What about these scientists? Yes. Are they willing to fill bogus science papers out? And what can we do? Jeffrey Epstein's stash secret files and storage unit

• 11:47Joe Rogan?

  across US that may include never-before-seen evidence. Oh.

• 11:51Speaker 01

  This came out yesterday that when he got arrested, he supposedly paid for investigators to go round up all of his stuff and put it in various storage units across the country. Like, it's a wild goose chase now.

• 12:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 12:04Speaker 01

  And like, there's stuff that apparently maybe no one's ever seen. They don't know if they're still being paid for. They don't know if...

• 12:09Joe Rogan?

  Imagine if they found, you know those storage unit shows?

• 12:12Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 12:12Joe Rogan?

  Will they break into those storage unit shows?

• 12:14Speaker 01

  I don't understand.

• 12:15Speaker 03

  And it happened on the real, the real-time one?

• 12:17Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 12:18Speaker 03

  Like, they think they're just getting, like, old baseball cards?

• 12:20Joe Rogan?

  I heard those shows are bullshit. My, a friend of mine told me that what they do is they'll stock those shows. They'll stock those storage units. And then they pretend that they're buying the storage unit that's been abandoned. And then they get in there and then they find things. But those things were...

• 12:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 12:34Joe Rogan?

  Fuck you.

• 12:34Speaker 03

  I don't buy any reality TV.

• 12:36Joe Rogan?

  I know, but that's awful.

• 12:38Speaker 03

  Well, it's entertainment.

• 12:40Joe Rogan?

  I feel duped.

• 12:41Speaker 03

  Do you really?

• 12:42Joe Rogan?

  I do.

• 12:42Speaker 03

  Joe, you really thought one time, once in a while you thought it was real?

• 12:45Joe Rogan?

  Not the government corruption. Not all the Medicaid fraud. Not all the immigration fraud. Not all the ICE stuff. No, what really bugs me is lying on a storage unit show. I just can't.

• 12:58Speaker 03

  Or like, like a cash cap show, like, are they really contestants?

• 13:02Joe Rogan?

  These are our great distractions. These are the great distractions to keep us from paying attention.

• 13:06Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 13:07Joe Rogan?

  To what's really going on in the world.

• 13:08Speaker 03

  Reality TV, there's no, there's no reality. It's all well-produced. Joe, wow.

• 13:14Joe Rogan?

  How much is it well-produced? Here's the question. Is it really well-produced? Cause it seems like this one was a really shitty production job.

• 13:20Speaker 03

  That was a production, that was a bad, that was like low, low. The only guy making it is the guy that's selling the ads.

• 13:25Joe Rogan?

  Well, not just the guy who's in charge of it fucks kids, right?

• 13:30Speaker 03

  Oh, this one?

• 13:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. So this one, why would you let that guy who's gonna eventually get caught? I would assume, if you're, you have a thing for kids, you have a thing for, if you're a pedophile? If you're into like 14-year-old girls? I would assume you're gonna get caught. And if I had a guy like that, or was this at a time where you couldn't get caught? Because there was no internet and then it got to a point where he had so much power and control? Cause he'd been there for so long, they couldn't, they were like, oh, Jesus Christ, we got a problem.

• 14:05Speaker 03

  Well, he's, he's thinking, criminals, they never think they're getting caught, period. Especially, like, think organized crime. If you're, it's, it's no different like the scenes from Goodfellas, right? You come in, he's like, what, what's the matter with you? You show up with a pink Cadillac? What's the matter with you?

• 14:24Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 14:24Speaker 03

  What's the matter with you? They can't help it. He told everyone, don't.

• 14:28Joe Rogan?

  Spend the money.

• 14:29Speaker 03

  Don't look flashy. This guy, without a doubt.

• 14:33Joe Rogan?

  His wife had a pink coat on, remember that?

• 14:35Speaker 03

  Without, right. Take it off, take it off. He gave it to me on my birthday. Take it off. What's the matter with you? And now that guy, there's no, this guy, he's just the, you remember when the steroids came out in baseball? And what'd they do? They were like, listen, you gotta take a hit, you gotta take a hit. Mark, Barry Bonds, you guys, you're gonna go out, we're gonna front you, but don't worry, you're gonna stay in baseball. We'll let it, it'll go away in about 10 years. But the owners are not gonna get popped. The people making the steroids injected, the people aren't gonna get popped.

• 15:09Joe Rogan?

  They got popped. Balco got popped.

• 15:11Speaker 03

  It didn't even...

• 15:12Joe Rogan?

  No, they got popped.

• 15:13Speaker 03

  The little guys get popped.

• 15:14Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no. No, no, no, the head of Balco went to jail. I had him on the podcast after he got out of jail.

• 15:19Speaker 03

  What about the owners that knew it was go... What about the agents and lawyers that are supplying their stuff?

• 15:24Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no. Listen, you don't understand about the baseball thing. The Balco had developed a st... Victor Conte, who had been on the podcast before.

• 15:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:32Joe Rogan?

  Was a scientist, essentially. And he had developed a steroid that was undetectable. Because steroids, they detect them based on certain molecules. And if you adjust certain molecules, it doesn't show up in the test. So he developed this thing called the CLEAR. He called it the CLEAR because it evaded tests.

• 15:48Speaker 03

  Right.

• 15:48Joe Rogan?

  This is to evade the test that the Major League Baseball Association was doing and any drug tests. Because this was an unknown steroid. So this was not known by the organizations. It was not known by the teams. It was not known by anybody. People suspected it because Barry Bonds grew five hat sizes and gained 50 fucking pounds of solid muscle.

• 16:10Speaker 03

  They all did, yeah.

• 16:11Joe Rogan?

  People suspected it.

• 16:12Speaker 03

  Right.

• 16:12Joe Rogan?

  But the bottom line is, you don't know what you don't know. And they didn't know. There's no reason to tell them, "Hey, guys, we're giving Barry some secret steroids." He did this for his own personal gain because he was brought to the attention of this Victor Conte guy, who eventually became an anti-doping guy, which is really weird. He ran SNAK, which is this thing that like helps people like detect testing and

• 16:37Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 16:37Joe Rogan?

  use it, you know, use supplements that are legal.

• 16:40Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 16:41Joe Rogan?

  But that, I don't think that was known by everybody. I think they kept it all on the DL because there was such a blight that was attached to steroid use. You were a cheater, especially in baseball, which is like the American pastime. Be a cheater in baseball.

• 16:55Speaker 03

  Well, I'll tell you this. I remember at that time, because I was in the... You were in TV world, TV world, and you tracked all different types.

• 17:06Joe Rogan?

  Dude, we did a show... Well, you weren't on the show back then. On Hardball.

• 17:10Speaker 03

  The baseball, yeah.

• 17:11Joe Rogan?

  Barry Bonds was on Hardball.

• 17:12Speaker 03

  Woo!

• 17:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. He was on one of the episodes.

• 17:15Speaker 03

  Like dirt, yes. I remember seeing it. I remember seeing it because we'd sit and watch, my wife and I. I'm like, "How's Joe on it?" Because we tried out for the same thing and I rooted...

• 17:23Joe Rogan?

  Well, you were in the pilot.

• 17:24Speaker 03

  Yes, I was in the pilot, but I rooted for everyone I knew.

• 17:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 17:27Speaker 03

  I was just like, "Oh, my God, how's Joe?"

• 17:28Joe Rogan?

  You've always been like that.

• 17:29Speaker 03

  I loved that. But back then, like a couple of years later, he come friends with...

• 17:36Speaker 03

  Certain type of people and lawyers, agents, blah, blah, blah. And I remember,

• 17:43Speaker 03

  I remember one night hanging out, you know, kind of like, wow, this is so and so who, I don't want to get into names and all that, but they would go, um, you want to hear some crazy phone calls? Like, what do you mean? It's like boom. And, and they, they told me 75% and I went, what?

• 18:03Joe Rogan?

  75%?

• 18:03Speaker 03

  75% of what?

• 18:05Joe Rogan?

  Athletes are on steroids?

• 18:06Speaker 03

  I'm like, what? 75, 80% baseball? I'm like, come on. There's no way. Come on. And then he'd play a, he'd play a phone message. And I didn't want to say this for years because I thought I'd get whacked.

• 18:20Speaker 03

  Hey, I love you.

• 18:23Speaker 03

  So I remember them going, here, listen to this. And you would hear like the wives of my life going, if he hits me one more time, I'm reporting all you, I'm gonna do it. And then, and then he played the next one like, hey, man, we got a big series coming up. The Dodgers, I need my shit like now. I need it by blah, blah, blah.

• 18:44Joe Rogan?

  And who is this person calling?

• 18:47Speaker 03

  These were ball players calling their representate, representation.

• 18:52Joe Rogan?

  So the representation mean they're agents?

• 18:54Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 18:55Joe Rogan?

  And lawyers. So maybe the agents are the people that hooked him up with the people that had the juice, which makes sense.

• 19:01Speaker 03

  And then they would talk.

• 19:02Joe Rogan?

  Cause the agents want money.

• 19:03Speaker 03

  They want money and now they're also.

• 19:05Joe Rogan?

  What's the best way to get money? Guy's got to hit home runs.

• 19:06Speaker 03

  This guy hit home runs. He's got to start dealt the ball. He makes money. I make money.

• 19:11Joe Rogan?

  That makes sense.

• 19:11Speaker 03

  And then we all make money. And then I start telling, if I, if, I'm not saying this happened, but if you're an owner, I'm like, hey, Joe, I'm just telling you right now, this guy, you want to keep an eye on him? He's going to start jacking 20 extra home runs. Really? Uh, how's he gonna do that? You'll find out. You'll find, you'll, we don't need to talk about that. But next year, if you got XYZ budget, I think he'd like to play. So there's, there's a lot, there's a lot at play.

• 19:36Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 19:37Speaker 03

  And now you're infiltrating children because now you're going to the farm leagues and now you can't make it unless you start doing that. But that's why I say someone like this guy with a long network, there's, there's so many tentacles

• 19:51Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 19:52Speaker 03

  all over the place, but you always need the fall guy.

• 19:56Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 19:57Speaker 03

  I mean, was he, was he the demon?

• 19:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 20:00Speaker 03

  But, there's a lot of demons there.

• 20:02Joe Rogan?

  Did you see that one, the email that I sent you, Jamie, where he's talking about children for sex? Do you remember, you know the email I sent you, Jamie? I sent it the other day, I'm like, well, that pretty much sums it up then, because he actually said it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Find that. I sent it to you in a text message. This one's crazy. This one's crazy.

• 20:23Speaker 03

  I've heard some bad ones.

• 20:23Joe Rogan?

  So, he's having a conversation with a woman, who says that she heard that there's a place. Here it is. She's very emotional, kind, loving, sharp, uh, I think you can become friends too. So, here it says, "A friend, Eliza, told me about a project she's doing researching a really bad guy that gets children for sex sent to his island. She almost fainted when I told her that person is me."

• 20:46Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 20:51Joe Rogan?

  Like, what? Okay, so that's just there. There's no way to interpret that any other way. That person is me.

• 21:01Speaker 03

  That person is me.

• 21:03Joe Rogan?

  Children for sex sent to his island, that person is me. Holy shit.

• 21:12Joe Rogan?

  That, that one is fucking crazy. That's 2018.

• 21:19Speaker 03

  So, yeah, this has been going on for...

• 21:22Joe Rogan?

  So, this is like right before he got arrested, right?

• 21:25Speaker 03

  Supposedly.

• 21:26Joe Rogan?

  But when did he get arrested?

• 21:27Speaker 01

  2019.

• 21:28Speaker 03

  2019, right?

• 21:29Joe Rogan?

  What month?

• 21:30Speaker 01

  Yeah. I don't know, the guy, I felt like it was May, maybe?

• 21:34Joe Rogan?

  So, this was like, but, there was an investigative reporter that was at the head of all this. This lady that was, uh, really pushing, because she had found out about his sweetheart deal in 2008. And she started gathering information and pushing it.

• 21:51Joe Rogan?

  And that's what led ultimately, I think, to his being arrested.

• 21:56Speaker 03

  Or what I would say is the front of like, hey, we're doing things.

• 22:01Joe Rogan?

  Well, if there's a different body that the autopsy had, it makes you question like, was he ever in that cell? Or was this person who's in that cell, did they sell this person as Jeffrey Epstein?

• 22:12Speaker 03

  Right.

• 22:13Joe Rogan?

  Well, you imagine the guy in the cell going, I am not.

• 22:16Speaker 03

  No, no, I'm not.

• 22:17Joe Rogan?

  My name is Harvey. I live on the Upper East Side. I don't know what happened. I got a speeding ticket. And now, next thing you know, I can't go home.

• 22:26Speaker 03

  Yes, and this poor guy's just getting railed hard before just sitting there and he's tying him up on the thing. And he says, yeah, are you gonna spin him around for a couple hours?

• 22:36Joe Rogan?

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• 23:47Speaker 03

  When you arrest big figures, he was a big figure. He's a big to do.

• 23:52Speaker 03

  Jeffrey, what'd you do? What about the children?

• 23:55Joe Rogan?

  Care to comment on the children?

• 23:56Speaker 03

  What are you doing with the children, Jeffrey?

• 23:58Joe Rogan?

  Why did you need 330 gallons of sulfuric acid? They didn't know about that back then.

• 24:01Speaker 03

  What are chickens? What are chickens?

• 24:03Joe Rogan?

  Like, I don't know what's going on. What is jerky?

• 24:06Speaker 03

  What is jerky?

• 24:07Joe Rogan?

  Well, no one knew any of that stuff back then. If he was alive now, for sure, those questions would be shouted out.

• 24:12Speaker 03

  What is pizza and pasta? What happened at Obama's White House?

• 24:17Joe Rogan?

  What is pizza? Pizza's mentioned like 900 times.

• 24:21Speaker 03

  It's a little weird.

• 24:22Joe Rogan?

  Clearly is a code. Clearly is a code.

• 24:25Speaker 03

  You know how crazy I felt for the longest time? Like I'd just be in a coffee shop and I'm like, you guys don't, you guys, you don't know like, oh yeah. Jim's a little wacky, but now it's, it's coming.

• 24:36Joe Rogan?

  Did you see that video we played the other day of this guy at the airport just yelling out?

• 24:40Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 24:40Joe Rogan?

  You guys are going out about your business? The app, no, it's a guy. He's like, the files have been released.

• 24:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:47Speaker 03

  I saw that and they were, they were going, and you're all just going about your business. The files are released, kids are being tortured, which.

• 24:54Joe Rogan?

  But my question was like, what do you want me to do?

• 24:56Speaker 03

  What do you?

• 24:57Joe Rogan?

  I'm flying to Atlanta. What do you want me to do? I got a gig.

• 25:01Speaker 03

  That is.

• 25:01Joe Rogan?

  What do you want me to do? Scream and yell at everybody, get arrested? How's that gonna fix anything? This all happened 10 years ago? What do you want me to do?

• 25:08Speaker 03

  And what do, what do you do at this point? Because like it's a.

• 25:12Joe Rogan?

  We don't do anything at the airport. You know, you get on your fucking plane.

• 25:15Speaker 03

  At the airport, right? Like, I gotta get home. My wife's, my, my wife's mother.

• 25:19Joe Rogan?

  But that's like a lot of people online. They're very performative, screaming and yelling. We gotta do this, we gotta do, what do you, what do, what do you want us to do?

• 25:26Speaker 03

  That's their jurisdiction.

• 25:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, it's outrage farming.

• 25:30Speaker 03

  Outrage farming, I like that.

• 25:31Joe Rogan?

  You're outrage farming.

• 25:32Speaker 03

  Imagine going to that length though, you're just like, you know what? I really didn't like anything you said. And you have no right being like, who, who's taking the time?

• 25:43Speaker 03

  Have you ever done that?

• 25:44Joe Rogan?

  No, but it's people that are trying to farm for attention. They're trying to get extra attention. Or it's people that just aren't that good. They're not that smart.

• 25:55Speaker 03

  Have you, when, when's the last time you engaged with anyone online that was like, Rogan, you're this or you're that?

• 26:04Joe Rogan?

  It's been a long time.

• 26:05Speaker 03

  Long time, right?

• 26:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 26:06Speaker 03

  Long time. But up until that, up until that time.

• 26:10Joe Rogan?

  Bro, I watch fucking Louis J Gomez do it every day. I'm like, Louis, what are you doing? What are you doing, you psycho? Stop fucking arguing with people online and calling them losers.

• 26:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, no.

• 26:22Joe Rogan?

  And comparing your life to theirs. It's like, don't do it.

• 26:24Speaker 03

  Because you don't know what you're dealing with. You have no clue what you're dealing with.

• 26:28Joe Rogan?

  Not only that, it's like it's a bad frequency to get your brain caught up in. There's so many other things to think about.

• 26:34Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 26:34Joe Rogan?

  There's so much going on in the world. There's so many interesting things in life. And the problem with social media algorithms and any kind of algorithm that you get sucked into is it funnels you into this way. This is what the information that you're getting most of the time. You're getting a lot of bad information, a lot of outrage farming. And your frequencies, like the way your brain thinks, funnels down that pathway and you kind of lose control of it instead of having access to all the wonderful things in the world. There's a lot of amazing, fascinating, curiosity-driven people out there that are, you know, making videos about all kinds of stuff. And you could instead pay attention to that stuff. But you get trapped.

• 27:20Speaker 03

  I used to say that even just about news. I remember being a kid and if you look at every newspaper and you just watch all the headlines for the news, everything is...

• 27:30Speaker 03

  I would sit there and go, okay, something bad happened down here in Brooklyn, something. Why, why do you spend every page or every headline of something negative? You had eight to 10 million people living in this vicinity. Why do you harp on just propagating and looking at the dark?

• 27:48Joe Rogan?

  Because they're trying to make money. And I don't... It's really simple. It's really simple. That all these major newspapers are struggling, all of them, badly. And the only way to get attention is clickbait now because most of the stories that you get are online. Very few people are buying physical newspapers anymore.

• 28:03Speaker 03

  No more, they're dead.

• 28:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, not only that, during COVID, I think they kind of nuked their, all of their credibility. There's a lot of people that just feel like they're all bullshit artists now.

• 28:14Speaker 03

  It was an incredible exposing of, of all information during COVID.

• 28:19Joe Rogan?

  What is this?

• 28:19Speaker 01

  They say this video, he sent this to two women.

• 28:23Joe Rogan?

  From detention?

• 28:24Speaker 03

  From detention.

• 28:26Joe Rogan?

  All right, let's see.

• 28:28Speaker 01

  It's very, it's weird.

• 28:30Speaker 05

  The wall, I had to borrow the Scotch tape to get the pictures on the wall. Okay, so Darren.

• 28:37Joe Rogan?

  Why do I have, why do you have to see that thing over his face?

• 28:39Speaker 05

  I'm pretending I'm talking to Darren.

• 28:43Speaker 05

  Hi Darren.

• 28:45Speaker 05

  You guys have a good time? You can see I have a little sore on my face that I got from some black guy trying to kiss me. It's really disgusting. It is fun. Oh, it's really, oh. Anyway, I have pictures up on the wall. I had to borrow the Scotch tape to get the pictures on the wall. I'll talk to you guys later.

• 29:06Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so that's him in detention. He said somebody tried to kiss him.

• 29:11Joe Rogan?

  He seemed pretty calm when he almost got raped.

• 29:13Speaker 03

  Dude, it's pre-production. Alright, so listen, just remember.

• 29:17Joe Rogan?

  Come in the room and say that somebody tried to kiss you.

• 29:20Speaker 03

  You gotta be into it. Like, that's take number 12. Like, goddamn it, Jeffrey. Goddamn it, Jeffrey. Do you need a Coke? You need a wine? I need you mostly into this.

• 29:29Joe Rogan?

  You don't seem like a guy in jail. A guy who hasn't been sleeping well. He seems pretty well rested.

• 29:33Speaker 03

  So, you know, my whole life's bad right now. They're bringing me in, some guy tried to kiss me. It's kind of a bummer. Cut! What? That wasn't good? Alright, let me try to get it. Alright, do it right now. Alright, lighting good? Here we go. Fuck out of here.

• 29:46Joe Rogan?

  The best intelligence organizations that can overthrow foreign governments would probably have a plan if they wanted to get the guy out and pretend that somebody else died in his place.

• 29:59Speaker 03

  It's, it's been from the beginning of time, no?

• 30:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 30:02Speaker 03

  From the beginning of time?

• 30:03Joe Rogan?

  From the beginning of time. Well, especially with, like, modern stuff. Because you can, with, with modern masks. Like, remember the tall Biden? There's not a chance in hell that was Biden.

• 30:14Speaker 03

  I, I feel so redeemed. My wife used to get so mad at me. So mad at me. My kids would get so mad at me. And I would, I would say it everywhere. I'd say it on stage, I'd say it on social media. I'd go, "I don't care what you say, that is not Joe Biden."

• 30:31Joe Rogan?

  You know, there was also that in the files, too. They were talking about the masks.

• 30:34Speaker 03

  "Call me crazy." And now all of a sudden, they're like, "Oh, no, he was, he was executed." Isn't that what they said?

• 30:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that seems sus.

• 30:43Speaker 03

  Bro, I went down that rabbit hole.

• 30:45Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of those emails are just emails, right? Are you, first of all, Epstein is dealing with prostitutes, people that are willing to get prostitutes. He's dealing with a lot of criminals and weirdos and a lot of those people are probably full of shit. Right? So just because somebody writes something in an email, doesn't mean it's a fact. However, when you see the video of Tall Biden, pull out, pull out Tall Biden.

• 31:07Speaker 03

  Come on, man.

• 31:09Joe Rogan?

  He grew. He grew and then he went back. Like they, I mean, they might've put him on some shit and then he shrunk back down again.

• 31:16Speaker 03

  And, and his eye color would change.

• 31:18Speaker 01

  This one, right?

• 31:19Joe Rogan?

  Like, uh.

• 31:20Speaker 03

  Yes, that one. Like, look at the difference. Well, he's like 6'9". Look at it. That's a robot. Like, send out the robot.

• 31:27Joe Rogan?

  Do you got a video of him walking out there? Because when he walked, look how long his fucking legs are. Look how tall he is. This is absolutely insane.

• 31:35Speaker 03

  Like, who's watching this going, yeah, no, that's the same guy?

• 31:38Joe Rogan?

  Not only is he taller, but he moves better. He's more relaxed when he moves.

• 31:44Speaker 03

  It was, I, Joe.

• 31:46Joe Rogan?

  It's like a guy doing an impression of Joe Biden.

• 31:49Speaker 03

  Yes, look at his.

• 31:51Joe Rogan?

  But look how long this guy's legs are. This is what's crazy. But rewind that as, again, please?

• 31:59Joe Rogan?

  Here it is. It's good. It's starting from the beginning. But it's good. It's right there. It's good. Just play it. Yeah. It's starting from the, so here's when he walks out. Look at how long his leg. This guy's a basketball player.

• 32:10Speaker 03

  He can dunk.

• 32:11Joe Rogan?

  Look how tall he is.

• 32:12Speaker 03

  First president can dunk.

• 32:13Joe Rogan?

  I mean, just stop. Pause it right there, please?

• 32:16Speaker 03

  Right there.

• 32:16Joe Rogan?

  Pause it, pause it. Just the physical frame.

• 32:19Speaker 03

  Yup.

• 32:19Joe Rogan?

  When you look at the length of his legs, that's extraordinary. That's not like Jeffrey Epstein's prostate. Or testicles.

• 32:26Speaker 03

  No, these are a whole different.

• 32:27Joe Rogan?

  That is a tall man. Like, there's no way that's a short man. There's no, or there's no way that's a normal, like, what was, how tall was Joe Biden supposedly? Six feet? Six one, maybe? How tall was he supposed to be?

• 32:42Speaker 03

  The real Joe Biden.

• 32:45Speaker 03

  The pre 2019.

• 32:48Joe Rogan?

  I said was like he's dead.

• 32:50Speaker 03

  I'm saying he's dead. I'm saying he's long gone, wherever he is.

• 32:53Joe Rogan?

  Six feet, okay.

• 32:54Speaker 03

  I'm putting it out there.

• 32:55Joe Rogan?

  Six feet tall. Okay, six feet is like, you know, on the tall-ish side. That guy's taller than six feet. That is a tall man. Look at the proportions from his legs to the width of his shoulders, the length of his legs. That's a very tall man.

• 33:12Speaker 03

  Who's the casting director for this?

• 33:15Joe Rogan?

  I mean, just being charitable, that's a three inches taller man at least.

• 33:19Speaker 03

  Maybe the other Joe Biden, you know, got sick that day or his wife died, that actor died, and they're like, "We need another Joe Biden, quick." And then this one showed up like, "Oh, my God." Just forget it. People believe everything. Send him out.

• 33:33Joe Rogan?

  If you have a guy who's the president and he's known to be of poor health, there's probably going to be times where he's supposed to make a public appearance that's not that important, but it's important to just show his face. Well, you gotta like keep him in a hospital bed somewhere. So you get a guy, you put the mask on him.

• 33:48Speaker 03

  Did you ever see the walk? The walk?

• 33:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, his shuffle. That guy doesn't walk like that.

• 33:54Speaker 03

  Bro, that's a, it's a robot!

• 33:55Joe Rogan?

  That guy walks like an athlete.

• 33:56Speaker 03

  It's a robot!

• 33:57Joe Rogan?

  Wait a minute. What?

• 33:58Speaker 03

  He looks like a robot!

• 33:59Joe Rogan?

  No, he looks like a guy with bad knees and a bad back.

• 34:02Speaker 03

  Bad back.

• 34:04Joe Rogan?

  You think it's a robot?

• 34:05Speaker 03

  I'm taking, I don't know what it is.

• 34:08Joe Rogan?

  No, it's an old man who can't walk good.

• 34:10Speaker 03

  I'm putting my chips in.

• 34:12Joe Rogan?

  Do you think you could program a robot to walk like an old man?

• 34:15Speaker 03

  Have you, it didn't look like an old man. Get the video.

• 34:18Joe Rogan?

  Jim, the robots are not that good yet. Trust me. I'm friends with Elon. The robots, they're good, but they're not, they look like robots. They don't look like humans yet.

• 34:27Speaker 03

  You put a little suit and jacket on him, put him up, and you just videotape for three seconds?

• 34:34Joe Rogan?

  No, why would you do that? It's a guy.

• 34:36Speaker 03

  Alright, no, I agree. This one's a guy, but there's other ones from like...

• 34:40Joe Rogan?

  What is this one, Jamie? Same one?

• 34:42Speaker 03

  That's the same one.

• 34:43Joe Rogan?

  Is this a better version of it?

• 34:43Speaker 01

  I was just replaying it.

• 34:44Joe Rogan?

  Okay. No, that's not a robot. That's a guy.

• 34:46Speaker 03

  There's ones where he's walking on the lawn and his legs, like, what is he doing with his legs? It's crazy looking.

• 34:52Joe Rogan?

  Jim, like neurologists have looked at this. He walks like a guy with dementia. That's how they walk.

• 34:58Speaker 03

  My dad had dementia. He didn't walk anything like that guy.

• 35:02Joe Rogan?

  Not all people with dementia walk like that, but it's typical of the way people walk when they don't have control of their body anymore. Like, he fell down a lot. Like, it's very odd.

• 35:10Speaker 03

  The bicycle went down. I got it.

• 35:12Joe Rogan?

  It's a lot of things. He'd fall down walking upstairs. Remember?

• 35:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, I remember.

• 35:16Joe Rogan?

  Three times.

• 35:17Speaker 03

  I remember. I-

• 35:19Joe Rogan?

  You think it's a robot?

• 35:20Speaker 03

  I didn't say it's a 100% robot. I'm saying, I will put my chips in. I'm at the poker table, and they're like, "You're really going in, all in, that that was not Joe Biden." I'm going all in, that's not Joe Biden. Never was. Never was.

• 35:37Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 35:37Speaker 03

  From 2021, it never was.

• 35:39Joe Rogan?

  I don't think this is a productive line of conversation, but, um-

• 35:42Speaker 03

  This is me. I get it.

• 35:43Speaker 01

  I'm here to watch this show.

• 35:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, watch this. What?

• 35:47Joe Rogan?

  But that's, he's walking in sand, and he's old as fuck, dude. He's walking in sand.

• 35:52Speaker 03

  I get it.

• 35:53Joe Rogan?

  If I walk in sand and I'm drunk, I look just like that.

• 35:58Speaker 03

  He's on a lot of blood thinners there. Maybe they got to his head. I don't know. He's got a stint. I just-

• 36:03Joe Rogan?

  Jamie, I'm gonna send you something. This is state of the art right now when it comes to, uh, robots, and it's pretty fucking good, man. Pretty fucking good. But it's not that. Um, it's- These are robots that can actually do martial arts. It's very impressive.

• 36:19Speaker 03

  I feel like I just saw something like this. It was frightening to a degree.

• 36:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's from China. So, go full screen on this. This is really interesting. So, you got these kids, they get out there, and, um, these robots do martial arts with them. Like, look at this. It's really wild, man.

• 36:38Joe Rogan?

  I mean, it's pretty human in its movements.

• 36:41Speaker 03

  If they had suit and ties on, they could pass for a president.

• 36:45Joe Rogan?

  Not yet. Not yet. But look at these things. They can do backflips. Like, this is crazy. They do wheel kicks.

• 36:52Speaker 03

  Come on.

• 36:53Joe Rogan?

  It's really nuts, man. So just imagine these things with fucking ARs, just running into buildings, gunning people down. Cause that's what's coming.

• 37:02Speaker 03

  Bro, there's a place.

• 37:03Joe Rogan?

  They're gonna be bulletproof, they're gonna have night vision, heat vision, insane hearing.

• 37:10Speaker 03

  There's a place in Florida, bro, that have the, uh, out in the Everglades, it's like this, this farmland, you never see anyone there, but they have the, the mechanical robot dogs.

• 37:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 37:21Speaker 03

  Patrolling everywhere and spraying the fields.

• 37:25Joe Rogan?

  The dogs spray the fields?

• 37:27Speaker 03

  There's like all different types of machines that come up and that will like spread, and they have these, the dogs that patrol everywhere, it's wild.

• 37:34Joe Rogan?

  You can buy one.

• 37:34Speaker 03

  I never saw any of that.

• 37:35Joe Rogan?

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• 39:18Speaker 03

  You can buy them now?

• 39:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you can buy those robots. Yeah, Les was telling me about it.

• 39:23Speaker 03

  I think I want one.

• 39:23Joe Rogan?

  Lex Friedman, uh, he actually works with robotics. Like he was, uh, an artificial intelligence engineer before he ever started doing podcasts.

• 39:35Speaker 03

  You're like, you're like the movie The Fifth Element. When the chick, when the chick came and she got all the information, like who's? I'm always fascinated. You have so much information. Like brilliant insight, information. Who's left on, on your list where you're like, I gotta, I wanna look at, I need to speak with so and so.

• 39:59Joe Rogan?

  Oh, there's a ton of people. There's always new, uh, you know, like I get a list of, uh, every week, multiple days a week, I get a list of potential guests. And so I go over the list and, uh, a lot of it is scientists. A lot of it is like people that are doing groundbreaking research on like neuro development, genetics.

• 40:23Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of them that come up that are cosmologists, uh, that are working on, you know, just bizarre theories. It's, it's, there's always someone that's working on some, you know, like very high level of some esoteric line of, you know, some kind of discipline that I've got very little information about. There's always interesting people.

• 40:49Speaker 03

  Blows my mind. Just blows my mind. I tried talking to anyone, even some of the words, I'm not educated very well. I mean, they start saying certain words and I'm just, I'm already.

• 40:59Joe Rogan?

  I'm not formally educated very well. I mean, I only went to college for three years and I was barely paying attention.

• 41:05Speaker 03

  I never paid attention.

• 41:06Joe Rogan?

  I was only going to college so that people didn't think I was a loser. It was, I was doing it. Yeah, I was doing it while I was fighting and then I was doing it for a little. A bit while still doing stand up, but I was only doing it so that no one thought I was a loser.

• 41:15Speaker 03

  Really?

• 41:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 41:16Speaker 03

  Is that more, was that like a home thing?

• 41:19Joe Rogan?

  No, it was where I grew up, you know, a lot, everybody was going to college. I went to school at a really good high school. Newton South in Massachusetts and a lot of the kids were, you know, real ambitious and wanted to go to college and get degrees. And I was, I did not want to have a job. I was like, what am I doing? I was like very feral and at the time, all I wanted to do was compete. I was just doing martial arts tournaments all the time and there was no money in that, you know? So I was like, what am I, what's my career going to be? Like, what am I doing? So this is weird period. So I said, let me just go to college so that no one thinks I'm a loser. So I took a year off of school. So from, graduated at 17, so for the next year, I didn't, I didn't go to school at all. I just trained.

• 42:05Speaker 03

  I don't know the story. So when did you, when did you go, I'm going to start doing stand up?

• 42:10Joe Rogan?

  When I was 21.

• 42:11Speaker 03

  Wow. And you, did you have that desire before then?

• 42:15Joe Rogan?

  Not really. No, I was a fan of stand up. I love stand up. I was talked into doing it by my friend Steve. It's a good buddy of mine, Steve Graham. Cause I would make people laugh in the locker room. It was like, he was a guy I did Taekwondo with.

• 42:28Speaker 03

  And he was like, dude.

• 42:29Joe Rogan?

  And another good friend, Ed Shorter, same thing. Ed and Steve were two guys who I was real tight with that, you know? I would make fun of everybody and just, we were always just joking around.

• 42:38Speaker 03

  Right.

• 42:39Joe Rogan?

  And I wanted a lot of attention when I was young.

• 42:42Speaker 03

  We all did.

• 42:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 42:43Speaker 03

  I did.

• 42:43Joe Rogan?

  And so that was, that's how, and then I went to an open mic night and I realized, oh, these people are all, they suck. They're beginners. Like, oh, you could be a beginner. And then I thought about it, just like martial arts. If you just work at it, you can get better at it, you know? So if you're just like a little bit funny, if you could just kind of figure out what it is about you. I was like, this is fascinating. It was like a whole new puzzle. But I didn't know if I could ever do it for a living. I was really so confused when I was 21. Cause I had really kind of decided to stop fighting. And I was still doing it a little bit, but I had like one foot in and one foot out, which is not good. And then I didn't have any prospects. Like, what am I gonna, I'm already 21. Like, I should have already graduated from college by now, or be close, or getting ready

• 43:27Joe Rogan?

  to work on a masters. I should be doing something, like a lot of the people that I went to high school with, or I should have a trade, like a lot of my buddies that went into carpentry or electricity. You know, there's, I didn't have a, like, career other than teaching.

• 43:41Speaker 03

  So, within a couple of years, you start, because you and I both fairly quickly started getting in good positions, and, because if you were 21, I'm gonna say by 25, 20, my, like, 26, you're on, uh, hardball?

• 43:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 44:00Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 44:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 44:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, we were really young.

• 44:03Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 44:04Speaker 03

  That's, that's how-

• 44:05Joe Rogan?

  Crazy lucky.

• 44:06Speaker 03

  Fast that happened.

• 44:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it happened stupid fast. It happened stupid fast and it was stupid lucky. Cause I didn't have any aspirations to ever be on TV. There was no part of me that wanted to be an actor on TV, zero. I was never an ambition, at all. Which probably helped me. Because when I went in and, you know, talked to the people and did auditions and shit, it wasn't like, "Oh my god, this is my dream." It was like, "So what do you guys want me to do? Okay, yeah, I could play a baseball player. Okay." And they just loved the fact that I was, you know, had a background in athletics, so I, I knew a lot about-

• 44:39Speaker 03

  You also would murder like none other at The Laugh Factory. You would go up, and I remember the Disney executives, cause that's who did that, I remember them sitting in the back, watching you, you did the, um, the lions, whatever-

• 44:59Joe Rogan?

  Tigers.

• 45:00Speaker 03

  The tigers mating, and it would just, the place would lose their shit, like, and you're like, "Oh, oh." It was captivating, watch, it was howling funny, and I'll never forget just looking at the executives, and I, I don't remember their name, I just remember he had a mustache, he had a, he had a dark mustache, dark hair, he's from, he's from Colorado, he was like, "Oh my god, Joe's just so-"

• 45:27Speaker 03

  God damn, fuck, I can't, can't take it.

• 45:30Joe Rogan?

  So you, I mean, wow, that's pretty awesome. In that short period of time, I wish I had, no, I won't say I wish I had your mentality then. I have it now, meaning back then I had the desire like, I want, I want, I'm gonna start buying satin clothes.

• 45:51Joe Rogan?

  I'm gonna start getting nice clothes.

• 45:55Joe Rogan?

  Went out there, the first time I went out there, I bought satin blue pants and satin blue. I was like, I'm gonna be in Hollywood, I was so retarded, so retarded.

• 46:06Speaker 03

  Well, but you had this whole other, I remember seeing you and you were like, we were at some hotel and you were just so, you're like, yeah, I'm gonna go play pool and work out. You wanted, you wanted, I'm like, what? No, I'm looking for rock stars and actors on Melrose. And you're like, yeah, well, I'm not doing that, I'm going to the gym and I'm like, you're gonna miss out.

• 46:35Speaker 03

  But I really admired, I loved and admired that about you so much.

• 46:41Joe Rogan?

  Oh, thanks. But I was never interested in like Hollywood stuff, it just was not that interesting to me. To be around a bunch of famous people and feel weird. I was like, I'd just rather be around normal people. I'd rather play pool, rather go to the gym.

• 46:54Speaker 03

  I was like that until I was around famous people.

• 46:58Joe Rogan?

  And then you're like, oh.

• 47:02Joe Rogan?

  This is uncomfortable.

• 47:03Speaker 03

  I wanna go home.

• 47:04Joe Rogan?

  I'm gonna go back home. Oh, I tried to move back to New York. I would have moved back to New York, except I had a lease. I had a lease on an apartment. When Hardball got canceled, I was ready to go back to New York. I was like, fuck this place, this is too uncomfortable for me. And again, I never had any aspirations to be famous and definitely didn't have any aspirations to act. It was just money. They gave me a lot of money to be on a sitcom and I was like, okay. I just couldn't believe how much money you could get in a week. Like, this is crazy.

• 47:30Speaker 03

  It was crazy.

• 47:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was like more money than I made in a year and I could make it in a week? I was like, this is nuts, especially because I went from broke to being on a sitcom.

• 47:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, I I remember those same things like you. You're not making any money. And then all of a sudden, like here, you're on twenty five to fifty thousand dollars a week. You just come in camera block here and there. You don't even have to be the star.

• 47:52Joe Rogan?

  It was bananas.

• 47:53Speaker 03

  What?

• 47:53Joe Rogan?

  But then when I got on news radio, I was like, oh, this is a whole different kind of a thing. Like, this is a really good show with really good writing and really good actors. I was like, this is fun. Like, that I enjoyed a lot. But it's the world of acting is long days. And it's not what I like to do the most. So it was like, you know, it's it's great, but you can get sucked into that velvet prison. And then, you know, you'd be like, I'd I'd be talking to my friends and be like, yeah, I just did a week in Florida. It was fucking awesome. Went in there on Wednesday and and I was I was realizing like, these guys are selling out on the road and they're traveling all the time. They're having all this fun.

• 48:34Joe Rogan?

  I'm like, they're doing what I wanted to do, which was like stand up, like on the road. But I was only doing like small sets in town. I was only doing like fifteen minutes at the Laugh Factory, fifteen minutes at the store, you know, it's like. The real comedy was like headlining, doing an hour, really developing your act.

• 48:52Speaker 03

  Right.

• 48:53Joe Rogan?

  And it was like, I enjoyed doing news radio, but I didn't enjoy it as much as I enjoyed being around comics, doing sets, being at the clubs. Laughing all the time. It's like a different kind of people. The actor people were all worried about what the other actor people were doing. They were all worried about like, like what rating we were, what number we were in the ratings.

• 49:16Speaker 03

  Correct. Yes, and that's all they would talk about.

• 49:19Joe Rogan?

  Dude, we were at a table once and they were all bitching about how, you know, we were on, you know, whatever night we were on. We moved like nine times over five years. And back then, there was no internet, so you couldn't tell people that you're not on Monday night anymore, you're not on whatever it was. And so they were all bitching and getting pissed because Sex and the City was on this time slot. And the single guy was in this time slot. And if we were there, we'd be number two or whatever.

• 49:45Speaker 03

  Right.

• 49:45Joe Rogan?

  And I was like, guys, last time I checked. We're on TV.

• 49:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 49:50Joe Rogan?

  Like, this is a dream. Yeah, we're not number one. But we have a funny show and we're on TV. Just fucking enjoy the ride.

• 49:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, and it was a great show. It was a lot of fun. It was a great show and you did well, but yeah, that world just never, it's-

• 50:03Joe Rogan?

  But it was just so lucky to get it so quick. You know, I was on news radio six years into doing stand-up.

• 50:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:10Joe Rogan?

  And it didn't make any sense to me. But it's also why I wasn't nervous about it. It was like, it seemed so normal to me. Like, okay, this is a job I'm doing. But it was because I didn't want to do it. Not, not that I didn't want to do it, but because it wasn't, it wasn't like in my ultimate dream.

• 50:25Speaker 03

  Well, that's, that made me laugh. I saw you years later, and I don't know if it was, uh, if it was, uh, Fear Factor, whatever, and someone snarkily, like in, in a snarky way, were like, "Why would you, why would you take this?" And you're like, "'Cause they're paying me fucking retarded money." They offered fucking retarded money. Like, "You wouldn't do this for whatever the episode?" And I just, it made me laugh so, it's just, you gave the real answer. Like, if I offered you whatever program I'm gonna offer you, I don't know, uh, 20 million for two years, you're gonna go, "I'm not doing that." That's ridiculous. Why would I use, why would I leave my sanitation job to-

• 51:08Joe Rogan?

  Money equals freedom. And that's what people need to understand. Like, if you can make a pile of money, you get fuck you money. And then the key is, don't be chasing fuck your mother and fuck your family and fuck the world money.

• 51:22Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 51:22Joe Rogan?

  Stick with fuck you money, but just make sure you say fuck you. So make sure you don't do things you don't want to do. And so when Fear Factor came along, I initially took it because I thought it was gonna be canceled immediately. I was like, it was, I was in a development deal with NBC, and they, they sent me this thing. And I was like, "What the fuck is this? They're gonna stick dogs on people." Like, I was laughing. I'm pretty sure I was stoned when I first got the pitch.

• 51:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:49Joe Rogan?

  And I read it, I go, "This is hilarious." And I don't know if my manager even wanted me to do it. I don't remember. I think they probably wanted me- To hold out for a sitcom. And I was like, are you fucking kidding me? This is hilarious. Let me meet with them. And they didn't like me at first. Because I came in and was making fun of it. And they thought it should be scary. Cause this was fear factor.

• 52:14Speaker 03

  Right.

• 52:14Joe Rogan?

  And I was just joking, like I came into the, the meeting, I was probably stoned. I came into the meeting and I was just cracking jokes about everything and laughing. And they didn't, but then David Hurwitz, who's a friend of mine, who was one of the producers on the show. He's like, no, no, no, no, no. Look, the whole world's gonna be laughing at us.

• 52:31Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 52:32Joe Rogan?

  It's way better if the host is laughing.

• 52:33Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 52:34Joe Rogan?

  It's way better.

• 52:35Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 52:35Joe Rogan?

  Like, let's just try it.

• 52:36Speaker 03

  Like the lunacy of what these, what lengths these people go to.

• 52:40Joe Rogan?

  They were gonna go like a sportscaster or something. You know what I mean? Here we are in Fear Factor. Fear is not a factor for you. Bottom of the ninth.

• 52:51Speaker 03

  Maggie from Wisconsin is gonna get in the tank.

• 52:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 52:55Speaker 03

  That's awesome.

• 52:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so it was just luck, a lot of luck, man. A lot of weird luck. I've had a lot of weird luck my whole life. Like even, even coming here is weird luck. Even opening up the club, weird luck.

• 53:06Speaker 03

  Why you say that?

• 53:07Joe Rogan?

  Cause a lot of things have to happen. In order for this club to, to exist, right? A lot of things have to happen. First of all, the COVID thing has to happen, right? So, and it has to happen in California where they have very restrictive laws and everything gets locked down. And we can't perform for like, I think the store was shut for a year and a half, man.

• 53:25Speaker 03

  Are you serious?

• 53:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, California was nuts with COVID. But over here, like, almost immediately, you could do shows. Like, we were, the, the Cap City was doing shows and they had people separated before they went under. They just had, like, the tables moved like six feet apart, which is retarded, didn't mean anything.

• 53:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 53:44Joe Rogan?

  And then, um, when we started doing shows at the Vulcan, that was in like November of 2020. So that was pretty soon after, you know, the rest of the world was still like completely, like California and New York were still completely restrictive and Texas was pretty, pretty wide open. And so I I have to have the kind of money that Spotify gave me.

• 54:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 54:08Joe Rogan?

  And then I have to be so dumb that I'm in the middle of this giant deal. I'm like, I'm just gonna move to Texas. Which they were like, what are you doing? Like, you need to be in LA. That's where your studio is. That's where the guests are.

• 54:19Speaker 03

  Right.

• 54:19Joe Rogan?

  And I was like, I'm flying like at least two or three people a week out to Los Angeles. I bet I could get them to fly to Texas.

• 54:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 54:28Joe Rogan?

  But it was a it was a dumb gamble. It's like, it's not a smart move. So but so it has to be like the Spotify money. It has to be everything closed down. And then it has to be the store closed down. Because the store closed down allowed me to get guys like Adam Eget and, you know, and.

• 54:44Speaker 03

  From the store?

• 54:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, all the people that worked at the store came and worked for me. That's like one of the big secrets, Jody, managers. Like, a lot of the people that are at the mothership came from the store and they were unemployed.

• 54:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, but I wouldn't take it. I wouldn't. I like your approaches at luck.

• 55:02Joe Rogan?

  No, but it has to. It has to be some luck. Otherwise, it doesn't happen. Because if there's no luck, then. If there's no COVID lockdown, then all these comics aren't willing to move here.

• 55:11Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 55:12Joe Rogan?

  Tony Hinchcliffe, Tom Segura, Christina Pizitzky, Brian Simpson. Everybody moved here.

• 55:19Speaker 03

  Right.

• 55:20Joe Rogan?

  So the only reason why anybody would move here is because California's locked down. If the store was hopping and they would be like, why would I go to Texas? Why the fuck would I go here?

• 55:27Speaker 03

  Right.

• 55:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so it had to be like a place where you could go and, you know, and then you have to have the resources to do something like that. So that has to be like the Spotify thing. Like, it's like so many things have to fall into place where it's that kind of a gamble makes sense.

• 55:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:45Joe Rogan?

  It's a lot of luck, man.

• 55:46Speaker 03

  It's a lot of luck, but it's also a lot of decision making and a lot of you.

• 55:53Speaker 03

  You're very thoughtful and, and you've, the walk that you walk creates an energy and it's, it's, it's, it's very powerful. It's very inspiring and I do believe in that stuff. Like the way you've walked most of the life that I've known you has been, you're probably, you inspired me so much years ago, years and years ago. You came on my radio show and, and you literally started talking and you called in and I remember I just told everyone, just be quiet, just be quiet and let him go. And just, I knew at that moment, you were

• 56:33Speaker 03

  gonna be changing like culture, if that makes sense. You, you went into this, you went into this deep conversation about we are, we are shifting in humanity. And basically you, you said, we're either going to live for truth, or you're gonna be a liar, like leech type thing. It was very powerful. And I think eventually I was like, you know, put Pink Floyd behind it, put that on, somehow put on the internet.

• 57:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, there's a clip of that.

• 57:08Speaker 03

  It is, it is one of the most, cause I wanted the world to hear what you said. It was such a, like no other pastor could say, no one could say it the way you said it. So yes, it is all luck, but I do believe that presence that you put out and that energy, it's, it's trusted and it's, it's, it's a force that opens doors without even you knowing it because it is all for the good in my belief. But anyway, that's my little compliment for you, Joseph.

• 57:42Joe Rogan?

  Well, thank you. That's very kind of you. That's very kind of you. Well, you, you inspired me too, dude. Cause when we first started working together, the, one of the worst times I ever bombed, ever, was I was headlining when I really shouldn't have been headlining. I really didn't have an hour. And you and I did a weekend together somewhere like West Nyack, New York or something like that.

• 57:58Speaker 03

  Somewhere yucky, like a Holiday Inn thing?

• 58:00Joe Rogan?

  But I did okay. Hey, every show except the late show Saturday night, you fucking murdered.

• 58:09Speaker 03

  I do.

• 58:10Joe Rogan?

  You murdered. And I remember being so nervous. I was so nervous and I went on stage nervous and I just ate a dick. And I remember it was like one of the worst bombings I've ever had in my life. And I remember thinking at the time, boy, I gotta correct something. First of all, I can never go on stage that nervous again. I was like, what was wrong? What was wrong was instead of laughing at you and going on stage, having a good time, I was nervous about my own performance, which is like a self-defeating mentality.

• 58:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 58:39Joe Rogan?

  And I had to realize that. Which is also one of the reasons, like, it really, my stand-up bumped up a lot after that weekend. It really did. Cause I really worked on it hard. Cause the bombing was bad.

• 58:50Speaker 03

  Bombing is bad?

• 58:50Joe Rogan?

  It was, but this was a bad one. I was supposed to do forty-five. I bailed at thirty-five. I got in trouble. I was eating dick. Dude, I was eating dick. It was horrible. But the same thing happened when I would take Joey on the road with me. And the reason why I would take Joey on the road with me is because he was so hard to follow. So I said, okay, I thought of it just like training partners.

• 59:12Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 59:13Joe Rogan?

  Like, you don't want to spar with a guy who sucks. You want to spar with a guy who's better than you.

• 59:17Speaker 03

  Right.

• 59:17Joe Rogan?

  So that you can, you could get to his level.

• 59:20Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 59:20Joe Rogan?

  And so with Joey, Joey was so loose and so free and he was so silly. And I was more rigid and I tried to do more setup punchline stuff, but I was, you know, I was only whatever, eight, nine years in, whatever it was. I was still trying to like figure it out. And Joey had a rhythm to him. He's just so loose. And I'm like, this is gonna help me. Let me just take this guy on the road with me. First of all, he's the best guy to hang out with. He's so much fun.

• 59:48Speaker 03

  He seems like I never.

• 59:49Joe Rogan?

  I love him to death.

• 59:50Speaker 03

  I never got to hang out with him.

• 59:51Joe Rogan?

  You never hung out with Joey?

• 59:52Speaker 03

  I've only got to see him on here and some other places. I know.

• 59:55Joe Rogan?

  He's the best. He's so, everybody, everybody's like, he's so fun. Like when you're around him, it's all hugs and laughs and he's the party. You bring Joey anywhere, the party's with Joey. We'd go to dinner. We'd have as much fun at dinner as we would at the show.

• 1:00:11Speaker 03

  Right. He's the entertainer.

• 1:00:12Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's just a great social engineer. Like, he would like, he would like fucking be the maestro that would get everybody going. We would be laughing. And then we'd go to the show, be have a good time. And I learned to laugh at him, because he'd be murdering. And I'd learn to take that momentum of laughing at him and carry it into the energy of my performance.

• 1:00:35Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:00:36Joe Rogan?

  So it was like, it was a good thing, because a lot of people want the opposite. They want the guy going up before them to suck, so that they look like a hero.

• 1:00:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, I know what that is.

• 1:00:46Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of people out there rocking that fucking scheme.

• 1:00:48Speaker 03

  I like, I like what you said, I like a guy hitting hard.

• 1:00:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:52Speaker 03

  And then the nights, like even, I have, I have Brian McKenna opening for me right now. And there's nights, like, I think we're in Louisiana. And I was like, oh shoot, I gotta get up, like, what is he doing there? I go, ah, and that makes me go, oh, all right, I gotta stay crystal clear. Like, I've gotta bring it to this whole level. He's making me, I love, someone makes me work, loves.

• 1:01:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's not just that, it's also that the crowd gets their money's worth.

• 1:01:18Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:01:19Joe Rogan?

  A bunch of people came out to see you. Like, I've gone to see friends that are really good comics, that I really love, and then I go to see them, and they have an opening act, I'm like, Jesus Christ, I gotta go to the bathroom. I gotta go sit outside for 20 minutes and wait for this to stop.

• 1:01:35Speaker 03

  That's a bad place to be, whether it's your buddy or not.

• 1:01:38Joe Rogan?

  They do it because they want a light opener. Like, Ron White's open about it. Like, he talks about, you do, you better than me, you're getting fired.

• 1:01:51Joe Rogan?

  He doesn't give a fuck, but it's, you know, I love Ron to death.

• 1:01:55Speaker 03

  But, he's still out here, no?

• 1:01:57Joe Rogan?

  But, yeah, he's out here, yeah, he's at the club all the time, he's there tonight. Yeah, Ron, or tomorrow night, rather, Ron's the best, he's the best.

• 1:02:03Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:02:03Joe Rogan?

  He's the, he's another reason why I came here, because he was already here. Ron moved here before the pandemic.

• 1:02:09Speaker 03

  Oh. Wow.

• 1:02:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he moved here in, I think, two thousand eighteen or nineteen, somewhere around then. And I was like, wow, what you, he had a place in Beverly Hills that he kept still, so he'd come back and forth. But he was like, I love Austin, you never have to leave if I'm gonna wanna fly anywhere. It's the middle of the country, the people are nice, the food's great. And I was like, hmm, can I live there? No. That's what my thought was like, I can't live there.

• 1:02:32Speaker 03

  Ron is the type of guy too, that he doesn't realize how good he is and how popular he is sometimes. He literally, don't ask me why he called me, I have no, oh, I, I remember it was some bizarre connection. He's like, hey, Jim, I, I keep getting asked you to play in London. And I went, oh, you will murder, murder in London. He's like, I don't know, I mean, I do, I mean, I don't know. I'm like, Ron? If you were to play Scotland, England, Ireland, like you, you're gonna have a whole new, you're gonna murder?

• 1:03:15Speaker 03

  He's like, I don't know if they were, please, I'm begging you, at least just take the gig, please just take the gig. And this is, this was a couple of years ago, and apparently he did do it. I was like, did you? He's like, man, murder. Of course you did.

• 1:03:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:29Speaker 03

  Especially his style, he's funny.

• 1:03:32Joe Rogan?

  He's very humble, though. Ron is a very humble guy.

• 1:03:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:36Joe Rogan?

  He's a, you know, he's a great guy. He's the best.

• 1:03:39Speaker 03

  Well, that's why I like, I like to come in here the first time, because what I like about here is, I reached a point where I have my following, I have my crowd. And if I'm working out stuff, even if it's in an hour, they're gonna be patient with me, cuz they like me and they've been on my journey.

• 1:03:57Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:03:58Speaker 03

  But if I were to go into a club and do fifteen minutes, I better, I better.

• 1:04:05Speaker 03

  They're not my, a lot of them don't know me and I had to, and I remember the first time I came here. I didn't want to go on stage. I used to go on stage, I'm like, ah, I don't know, I'm like, I'm going on stage. Wow. It was like, okay, uh, yeah, I'm not, wow, seven more minutes, okay. I didn't even finish my setup yet. This is, this made me, this place made me want to start working harder again and go, hey, man, you gotta, you gotta put the gloves on. Not that I had any lack of confidence of what I put out there for an hour, but those short little 15 minute, when they see everybody, it doesn't matter, it's even playing field, it's pretty awesome. It was great.

• 1:04:44Joe Rogan?

  That was great about the store too. Like you'd get a night where you had like seven, eight national headliners in a row.

• 1:04:50Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:04:51Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 1:04:52Speaker 03

  I saw that one and they don't care after a while, just bring the funny. I saw

• 1:04:58Speaker 03

  someone from a huge sitcom go on stage, place loses their mind. Even I was a little like, oh, wow, it's, oh, wow. And about, they did the shtick of their character and about five minutes in, they were like, okay, yeah, we're done. You gonna, you can tell jokes or you're just gonna be the TV guy? This is like, they don't, they've seen everything. You gotta come with the goods. You gotta work it.

• 1:05:25Joe Rogan?

  TV guy thing, we used to see that all the time in LA too. Well, that's what led to Kramer, that meltdown.

• 1:05:31Speaker 03

  Well, that's who it was.

• 1:05:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:34Speaker 03

  That's, I didn't want to say, I didn't want to say, but he, he first walked up, I was like, oh, dude.

• 1:05:38Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 1:05:39Speaker 03

  And he grabbed the mic, he's

• 1:05:42Speaker 03

  dang, and then after about five, seven minutes.

• 1:05:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:46Speaker 03

  And this one was at the improv and I'm watching, I'm like, oh, wow, he, oh, wow, he don't have material. He's just, wow.

• 1:05:53Joe Rogan?

  Which is crazy.

• 1:05:54Speaker 03

  They turned on him, quick.

• 1:05:55Joe Rogan?

  Imagine thinking that you could do 15 minutes with no material. I just don't understand.

• 1:06:01Speaker 03

  Comics make it look easy. You know how many, you know how many people go, how many people have you met? That go, you know what, you inspired, I'm gonna, I'm gonna start doing stand up. Okay.

• 1:06:12Joe Rogan?

  Some of them, you're like, please don't.

• 1:06:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, like, okay, I still get, I'm starting next, here's my first, and they'll send me a set of their first set, like, you, we, comedians make it look like we just walk up and just wing it.

• 1:06:25Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's also guys used to performing in front of a live audience when he does a sitcom and everybody loves him. And if he can make people laugh for a minute, he thinks he could probably make people laugh for multiple minutes.

• 1:06:36Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:06:37Joe Rogan?

  Just keep it going, just do the same thing for 15 minutes.

• 1:06:39Speaker 03

  And the little side of us are just, back then, I root for everyone, but those guys walk off, you're like,

• 1:06:47Speaker 03

  there's nothing more.

• 1:06:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, we don't like anybody that's half-stepping, right?

• 1:06:51Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:06:52Joe Rogan?

  That's like, half in, not really doing it.

• 1:06:54Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:06:55Joe Rogan?

  Like, you're just taking up 15 minutes from someone that could be doing it.

• 1:06:58Speaker 03

  Correct. I used, I used to, uh, do you know Neil Brett, not Neil, Kevin?

• 1:07:04Joe Rogan?

  No, I don't know Kevin very well. Um, I've met him, I'm sure, I, I remember him doing sets in New York back in the day.

• 1:07:11Speaker 03

  Kevin would get so pissed because, uh, wow, what's the, he's a famous guitar player. Oh my god.

• 1:07:18Joe Rogan?

  John Mayer?

• 1:07:19Speaker 03

  Yes, John.

• 1:07:22Speaker 03

  So Kevin would come in, he'd come in to the radio and be like, he's going up, he's doing fucking 20 minutes! And he sucks! What, I, I can't go to Madison Square Garden and go, give me the guitar for 20 minutes, it's my fucking time! Since comics would get really edgy, they didn't care who you were. They'd go in, I'd love to listen, he would rant and I would howl, listening to rant, of course I would prod the tiger once in a while. When he'd start going, I'm like,

• 1:07:54Speaker 03

  fucking crazy!

• 1:07:57Speaker 03

  Fucking John Mayer! All right, I got it, you play, fucking get off the stage! Oh my god.

• 1:08:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, comics are very territorial about the art form.

• 1:08:07Speaker 03

  Extremely.

• 1:08:08Joe Rogan?

  When someone tries to do it that's not a comic, they automatically kind of reject them. I'm always like, give him a chance. Never know.

• 1:08:15Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:08:16Joe Rogan?

  Never fucking know. Never know. Never know a guy who's been acting but really always wanted to do stand-up. Might have some good ideas and might really throw themselves into it. It's possible. Why would you assume it's impossible? It's possible.

• 1:08:28Speaker 03

  It is possible.

• 1:08:29Joe Rogan?

  But the reality in LA is a lot of them were doing it because the whole casting thing had dried up for them. Right? So they weren't getting brought into shows anymore, so they decided to do stand-up. And they would just, you know, put together an act, like, write an act.

• 1:08:45Speaker 03

  There's, yeah.

• 1:08:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it wasn't what they really loved, so it wasn't what they really threw.

• 1:08:50Speaker 03

  It's a paycheck.

• 1:08:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:51Speaker 03

  It's a little paycheck to get them by.

• 1:08:52Joe Rogan?

  It was a career decision. It was like pivoting, you know?

• 1:08:56Speaker 03

  Yeah. I know a couple of guys like that.

• 1:08:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:58Speaker 03

  Did sitcom or, or a sketch show, or even like an SNL character, didn't do stand-up and now they'll tour and try to do whatever.

• 1:09:08Joe Rogan?

  So here's an interesting thing I should tell you, because you know this person.

• 1:09:12Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:09:13Joe Rogan?

  Um, I actually, uh, made up with, uh, Marc Maron the other day. We actually had, uh, I had to help him with something. Um, I had to inform him about something. And he sent me a very sincere message of thank you. And then I sent him a message back that was sincere, and I said, look, I'm not your enemy. And I'm sure if we saw, despite our differences, I'm sure if we saw each other, within a few minutes, we'd be laughing and smiling.

• 1:09:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:09:40Joe Rogan?

  Which is generally how I interacted with him, for the most part.

• 1:09:43Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:09:44Joe Rogan?

  I had only a few bad interactions with him. And he was pretty honest about how, you know, maybe it's his own mind and, you know. It was, but it was a, it was a very sincere interaction, which made me happy. It's not good to have enemies, man.

• 1:09:59Speaker 03

  No, it's really not.

• 1:10:00Joe Rogan?

  It's not good.

• 1:10:00Speaker 03

  I've had maybe two or three, um, that have vocally put out on, because I, I'm not into the Twitter insulting or going on other programs insulting. If you have an issue, tell me.

• 1:10:20Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:10:20Speaker 03

  And then we'll, we'll deal with it the way.

• 1:10:22Joe Rogan?

  Right, call me up.

• 1:10:23Speaker 03

  The real humans do it.

• 1:10:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:25Speaker 03

  And, um.

• 1:10:27Speaker 03

  When, when, that, that, that whole thing, I, I have a funny feeling, I know it, some of his issues were, but I felt, and, and I put it out there, I felt, I felt bad because for years, I didn't have great interact, when I started, listen, I'm not poo pooing or whatever, but yeah, a lot of guys didn't like me. They were like, who's this animated, loud mouth kid coming in here confident and blah, blah. And he, he would always kinda like, I'll never forget, he'd be like, you gonna woo him? You gonna womb tonight with your?

• 1:10:58Joe Rogan?

  He was trying to sabotage you.

• 1:11:00Speaker 03

  Without doubt.

• 1:11:01Joe Rogan?

  It was a competition thing with him.

• 1:11:03Speaker 03

  And, and I understood that because I'm still back then.

• 1:11:05Joe Rogan?

  You made a whole video about it.

• 1:11:07Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 1:11:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I saw that video.

• 1:11:08Speaker 03

  And so as we, as we went on, I actually was so happy for him, once he got WTF. Because you saw like, wow, he, he's.

• 1:11:18Joe Rogan?

  He became a different person.

• 1:11:19Speaker 03

  And he found his niche.

• 1:11:20Joe Rogan?

  And he became friendly.

• 1:11:21Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 1:11:22Joe Rogan?

  He was easy to be around.

• 1:11:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:11:23Joe Rogan?

  He was all, he was so, his podcast was killing it. And then he had his show on the I, IFC, Marin.

• 1:11:29Speaker 03

  Yes, yes.

• 1:11:29Joe Rogan?

  He was doing great. He was way easier to hang around with.

• 1:11:31Speaker 03

  He was incredible.

• 1:11:33Joe Rogan?

  Because all the angst had been removed and he'd been, he'd become a made man, right?

• 1:11:37Speaker 03

  A made man.

• 1:11:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:39Speaker 03

  And when you're a made man. Who cares who else is becoming made man?

• 1:11:43Joe Rogan?

  Exactly, exactly. But then when things go south, then it's hard to maintain that same mindset. It's very easy for me to say, oh, just relax and who cares? Everybody should be happy that all these people are doing well. But if you're not doing well, that jealousy is a natural thing. I've experienced it before. I've experienced it. I know the feeling. I've, I've experienced it for brief moments before. You know, even like, you know, eight, nine years ago, maybe even. It's like, there's moments where someone's really killing it, you're like, oh, what the fuck?

• 1:12:18Joe Rogan?

  But then I, I realized in my head, like, God, that's a bitch ass way of thinking. Don't hold on to that.

• 1:12:22Speaker 03

  No, we're on our own journey. This is, this is our world.

• 1:12:26Joe Rogan?

  Also, but also, that same feeling can instead be inspiration. Like when you and I worked together and I bombed, one of the things that inspired me was not just, I gotta get better because I bombed, but you murdered. You had that bit about coming home drunk.

• 1:12:40Speaker 03

  Coming home wasted.

• 1:12:41Joe Rogan?

  And your mother was.

• 1:12:43Speaker 03

  Turned into a demon.

• 1:12:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was a great bit.

• 1:12:45Speaker 03

  A demon with a whole panel.

• 1:12:47Joe Rogan?

  It was so like animated and big and I. It didn't make me hate you. I loved you.

• 1:12:53Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:12:53Joe Rogan?

  We were great friends.

• 1:12:54Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:12:54Joe Rogan?

  I was like, that is so good. And it just made me want to get better. So that same feeling that can turn you like, oh, you're gonna do woo-hoo.

• 1:13:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:13:03Joe Rogan?

  You're gonna do your bullshit. Instead, I was like, fuck, Jim, you're killing it, man. That's awesome.

• 1:13:07Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:13:07Joe Rogan?

  I just, I, I come from a different world. And my world requires other people around you to be as good or better than you. The martial arts world. Like, when I was a four-time state champion and I was doing, I wasn't necessarily the best guy in the gym. There was guys in the gym that were better than me.

• 1:13:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:13:26Joe Rogan?

  Always. There was other guys that were also state champions. Some of them were national champions. They were better than me.

• 1:13:32Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:13:32Joe Rogan?

  But because I was around those people, training hard all the time, that's why I got so good. It was because I was around people as good, if not better than me, all the time, that it elevated my level. So I felt the same way about stand-up. I'm like, you need those people that make you feel uncomfortable. They make you feel like, fuck, I gotta go to work.

• 1:13:53Speaker 03

  Yes. And, and, and whether it's him or whoever, it just, it doesn't even have to be the comedy world, just the world in general. It, it always, it's, it's not that sad. I wish sometimes people in those positions, no matter how successful you are, and whatever you define as success, if someone else is starting to kill it somewhere, let them, what is, keep your eyes off that.

• 1:14:17Joe Rogan?

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• 1:16:07Speaker 03

  Just stay in your own, your own lane. I hate that term though. It's a weird term. I've heard it. It's not stay in your lane. It's stay in your world of confidence. And I saw a couple of people try to take a swat and I, I think it was deeper than that. I think it was A, they were envious and B, because you had certain, certain people on and perhaps they're, they were angry because they're still lumped into how they define themselves to certain gangs that their allegiance goes to.

• 1:16:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, ideological.

• 1:16:41Speaker 03

  100%. How dare he have.

• 1:16:44Joe Rogan?

  Don't platform that person.

• 1:16:46Speaker 03

  Don't platform this one and don't platform that one and don't platform. And matter of fact, I would even hear chatter like this. I would, I would never. And I'd go, yes, you would, because.

• 1:16:57Joe Rogan?

  Well, if you wouldn't, then you would never be me in the first place. So what are you worried about? We're, we're different human beings.

• 1:17:02Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 1:17:03Joe Rogan?

  The point is, I understand those feelings.

• 1:17:07Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:17:07Joe Rogan?

  I do. I understand those feelings of anger, and this feeling of jealousy, of resentment. It is absolutely normal, but it is a bitch ass way to think. And I've thought those ways. I've, I've had bitch ass thinking in my life. I'm 100%. So I get it. I understand it. It's normal. But what these people need to hear, that I needed to learn myself, is that that not only does not help you, it hurts you. But the same exact experience can instead be inspiring to you, and that will help you. And you're gonna be uncomfortable with comparing yourself to someone who's better than you. But that uncomfortable feeling is what leads to growth. It's really important. It's good. It's good for you.

• 1:17:52Joe Rogan?

  But what's not good for you is to try to dismiss that person and shit on that person. Like, even if someone's doing something that I don't like. I don't like their style. So what? I don't care. There's a lot of music. Look, I have teenage girls.

• 1:18:08Speaker 03

  Oh boy.

• 1:18:09Joe Rogan?

  When they listen to music, they love it. I don't like it. But it doesn't mean it's not good. They fucking love it.

• 1:18:14Speaker 03

  They love it.

• 1:18:14Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of guys that are into jazz. I don't like it. But it doesn't, it doesn't mean it's bad.

• 1:18:21Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:18:21Joe Rogan?

  It's great for some people.

• 1:18:23Speaker 03

  It's their art.

• 1:18:24Joe Rogan?

  It's like, everybody has a thing that you're into, and everybody has a different style. So if someone's doing something that you don't enjoy, you don't have to hate them. It doesn't mean, that's not beneficial to you. It doesn't help you at all.

• 1:18:37Speaker 03

  Could sum what you said by, you can have your bitch ass feelings.

• 1:18:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:42Speaker 03

  Just don't have your bitch ass emotions and act on, don't act bitch ass. Just don't act bitch ass. That's when you start having issues, when you put it out in the universe. Because it's still inside you, which we all have it.

• 1:18:56Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:18:57Speaker 03

  It's when you put it out there, now it's out there. Now everyone looks at you a whole different. I've, I've. Done that multiple times. I'm never proud of it. Always feel horrible.

• 1:19:08Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:19:09Speaker 03

  Never toward always within family or friends or so never uh I try not to.

• 1:19:15Joe Rogan?

  Put it out in the world.

• 1:19:16Speaker 03

  In the world with uh names of people cuz I don't have any qualms. It feels horrible. No, I feel like a little punk bitch like I can't believe I just did that. Oh my god, I thought I was mature.

• 1:19:30Joe Rogan?

  You gave into those bitch ass feelings. It's normal. It's normal. Like I I remember um uh someone was telling me that Chris Rock was selling out everywhere after the Will Smith thing. And I swear to god for like a couple of seconds, I was like, oh, what the? He's usually, he's selling out and instantly all these arenas. It takes me a couple of days. Like it's so stupid, so dumb. Like he was the hot ticket because everybody wanted to see him. But it was only for a few seconds. And then I was like, what the fuck is wrong with you? You fucking silly bitch. Such a dumb way to think. But the problem is.

• 1:20:10Joe Rogan?

  You don't in the time and then the other thing is they think that they're gonna diminish that by attacking you. But what they don't understand is when you do that publicly. The heat comes for you because now you've you've set the game in motion. Now you started moving pieces around the board and then people are starting to move pieces against you. And that's the I I felt that even at a time where I felt it was necessary, like the whole Carlos Mencia thing. I said that to my friends afterwards. I said, I don't think I'll ever do anything like that again because just the negative. Even if it was only 10% of the people that were negative, 90% were positive. That 10% is just not a good feeling. It's a terrible feeling. It's not good.

• 1:20:55Joe Rogan?

  Even though I thought that was a necessary thing to do because I not just him, but I wanted to expose. The way the business was treating that where they were profiting off of it and openly covering it and they knew about it. And they thought it was just business. That wasn't my agent said to me. It's just business.

• 1:21:14Speaker 03

  I remember a phone call we had.

• 1:21:18Speaker 03

  Somewhat after that, and I remember you telling me your agency dropped you. They dropped you. That's, that's, I'm not crazy for thinking that, right?

• 1:21:31Joe Rogan?

  No, they dropped me, but what they said was that I had to apologize to him, or they couldn't work with me anymore.

• 1:21:37Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 1:21:38Joe Rogan?

  And I said, "Listen, then if just you bringing that up, our relationship is over."

• 1:21:43Speaker 03

  Done.

• 1:21:43Joe Rogan?

  I said, "Just because you wanted to," and they like said, "It's just business." I go, "You're making a decision that will affect you for the rest of your life." I go, "Because you're siding with a vampire."

• 1:21:52Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:21:52Joe Rogan?

  You sell art. It's all you sell. All you guys are is a comedy agency, right? You sell art. You've got a guy who's stealing art from other artists. Like, "This is bad for you? Everyone's gonna know." So Louis left them after that. Louis came up to me at the improv, asked me if that was true. I said, "Yes." He goes, "Okay, I'm leaving them." Attell, Nick Swartson, a bunch of people did. So it was, it wasn't like, I was right. But it was also, but the negative feeling of the people angry at me for it was like, so gross. It's like you, you put that out there in the world, it's a giant distraction. It takes away from most of your life. You think about it all the time. Just not good.

• 1:22:32Speaker 03

  At that time, I, I, I understand that, but also, like, for instance, I, that was already out there.

• 1:22:41Joe Rogan?

  With him?

• 1:22:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I personally-

• 1:22:43Joe Rogan?

  With comics it was.

• 1:22:44Speaker 03

  It was out there with comics and it was out there with him. I personally didn't see particular, but like, I worked with him maybe once or twice. And I'm not an LA guy, so everyone and their mother, I mean, there was a lot of people that would say that. So when the, the point of that happening, it was such-

• 1:23:11Speaker 03

  Justice in the community and beyond that, in the world. Like, can we stop? Can we stop? If you're taking from others, if you're taking from, which I've already dealt with at that point on some other levels. It happened multiple times when people take and then they-

• 1:23:30Joe Rogan?

  Well, you dealt with it on SNL.

• 1:23:32Speaker 03

  Yes, SNL and other areas and which, whatever. It's all in the past and I'm all good now. So when you deal with that and you're very, I just dealt with buying tickets is another whole deal. So with that said, it's very freeing when you finally put it out there and not that you want to see someone's career plummet or take a hit or whatever, but it was very refreshing to see that people or fans went, "Oh, we didn't know this." Because a lot of the time, fans don't care.

• 1:24:11Joe Rogan?

  How could they know?

• 1:24:12Speaker 03

  They wouldn't know, but they don't, and you go, "You're still gonna show up?" And then all of a sudden, it just, it went to a whole different direction. You saw like this person struggling here. And then it was, it's that time we're living in. You set an example for, if we're all gonna start moving forward, can we just be blatantly honest? Whether it's whether we're making art or food, whatever you're doing in your lifetime, stop stealing. And if you're gonna take, give the credit of where you're getting it from.

• 1:24:45Joe Rogan?

  Well, but you can't do that in stand-up.

• 1:24:46Speaker 03

  No, you can't do it in stand-up. You have to ask and you say, "Can I buy that bit?" Or something like that. But it's just such a-

• 1:24:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, nobody wants to sell their bits. Like, you can't even do that. Well, you could hire people to write for you, which is very respectable. I know like high-level comics who hire people to help them punch up jokes. Nothing wrong with that.

• 1:25:04Speaker 03

  No, and I never knew that either. I never knew that until- I remember being in New York and the guy was like, hey, you know, I write with Chris. I'm like, Chris, Chris Wright. I'm like, oh, wow. Yeah, Punch Up, stuff like that. And then I would see certain guys, which makes sense because if you're gonna hit a certain level, I mean, you gotta, you gotta stay.

• 1:25:24Joe Rogan?

  Well, Chris is-

• 1:25:25Speaker 03

  And not saying they're not.

• 1:25:26Joe Rogan?

  People would always say that Chris, like, had writers, but that's not totally true. So what Chris would do was he would come up with all the material, come up with all the bits, and then he would have guys watch his set, professional guys. And these professional guys would watch his set and then they would talk about it. They would have feedback on bits, like, he really, he really worked with Richard Jenny a lot.

• 1:25:49Speaker 03

  He was great.

• 1:25:50Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God, was he good.

• 1:25:51Speaker 03

  He taught me the most. I learned so much from Jenny because he would just take a premise, and he'd go in, every time you thought he was done milking this premise, he'd show up again 15 minutes later, like, oh, my God, we're going another direction with this premise?

• 1:26:06Joe Rogan?

  So good.

• 1:26:06Speaker 03

  You gotta be kidding me.

• 1:26:08Joe Rogan?

  He was so thorough.

• 1:26:09Speaker 03

  Oh, my God.

• 1:26:10Joe Rogan?

  He would take all, I mean, it was, it was so impressive.

• 1:26:12Speaker 03

  Wow, so Jenny's helping-

• 1:26:14Joe Rogan?

  Yes. Jenny helped rock with Bigger and Blacker. He helped him with, uh, what was the other one that was really, Bring the Pain?

• 1:26:21Speaker 03

  Yes, the two big monsters.

• 1:26:22Joe Rogan?

  The two classic, two of, like, if you have a top 20 all-time comedy specials, they're both in there.

• 1:26:28Speaker 03

  Monsters.

• 1:26:28Joe Rogan?

  Monster bit, monster, monster, uh, sets.

• 1:26:31Speaker 03

  He's the first guy I saw, Chris was the very first person I saw, I won a lottery to do open mic at the Comic Strip. And I, I'm gonna say I was 19, maybe 19, 20, I didn't know what that was. And, and I show up to Comic Strip and I see Eddie Murphy on the, I'm like, oh, my God, this is where, because I had that Eddie Murphy album, where he had, like, a little flowers from the Comic Strip, and he had the little-

• 1:26:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. He, he did that at the Comic Strip?

• 1:26:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:27:00Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:27:00Speaker 03

  He did, yes, it was at the Comic Strip, and he, yeah, he did Live from the Comic Strip, he was like-

• 1:27:05Joe Rogan?

  That's a great special.

• 1:27:07Speaker 03

  Great special, great album.

• 1:27:09Joe Rogan?

  I bought it on cassette, that's how old it is.

• 1:27:11Speaker 03

  I bought it as an album.

• 1:27:12Joe Rogan?

  Bro, how did he stop doing stand, there it is.

• 1:27:14Speaker 03

  Oh, my God.

• 1:27:15Joe Rogan?

  How did he stop doing stand-up? He was, 1982, he was so good.

• 1:27:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, so I'm only-

• 1:27:21Joe Rogan?

  I was a sophomore in high school back then.

• 1:27:23Speaker 03

  Me too. Were you 58?

• 1:27:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, we graduated at the same time. Look at the comic strip.

• 1:27:28Joe Rogan?

  He was so good. When you see him, did you see him do that, uh, he got one of those Mark Twain Awards, I believe it was?

• 1:27:36Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:27:36Joe Rogan?

  And he went and did a set?

• 1:27:38Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:27:39Joe Rogan?

  Did an impression of Bill Cosby, getting his, uh, awards taken away from him?

• 1:27:43Speaker 03

  No!

• 1:27:43Joe Rogan?

  Yes, it's great.

• 1:27:45Speaker 03

  I gotta watch, I gotta watch that.

• 1:27:47Joe Rogan?

  It's really, well, Jamie will pull it up. It's, you go, "Oh my God, please do stand up again. Please do stand up again."

• 1:27:52Speaker 03

  Do you remember the bit he did? He goes, um, he goes, "I guess it was in, uh, what was it? What was the one with the red leather pants?

• 1:28:01Joe Rogan?

  Uh, Raw, Raw.

• 1:28:02Speaker 03

  No, no, no, that was Delirious.

• 1:28:04Joe Rogan?

  Delirious?

• 1:28:04Speaker 03

  Delirious.

• 1:28:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you're right, you're right.

• 1:28:06Speaker 03

  He goes, "Man, he goes, "Man," he goes, "Uh, Bill Cosby called me and he said, "You know, the filth and the foul and the foul and the filth and the filth." And he goes, "I call Richard Pryor and Richard Pryor said, 'Next time that motherfucker call you, 'I'm telling this, like, my dick and have a nice pudding on me.'"

• 1:28:22Joe Rogan?

  Well, he said, "Did the people laugh?

• 1:28:24Speaker 03

  Did you get paid? Yes.

• 1:28:26Joe Rogan?

  But tell Bill to have a coke and a smile and shut the fuck up."

• 1:28:29Speaker 03

  That's what he said. Thank you so much. This is a tremendous honor. Wonderful evening. I'd like to thank the Kennedy Center, first of all, for, uh, for celebrating me and honoring me in such a wonderful way and bringing my loved ones and my family here. This is a super special, memorable night. And, uh, thank you to all the comedians that came out and sang and, I mean, Sam Moore came out and sang and Alabama Shakes was here. We had a really, really, really special, special night.

• 1:29:02Speaker 03

  Hasn't been lost on me that, you know, usually when people have evenings like this, a person's really, really old when they get these awards.

• 1:29:11Speaker 03

  They'll let you wait, really, like, one of the greatest, funniest people of all time was, uh, George Carlin, and he received this award, award posthumously.

• 1:29:22Speaker 03

  And he's funnier than all of us. So to be standing here alive and looking like myself still is a real, uh, it's, they'll let you get really old if you do it.

• 1:29:39Speaker 03

  And there was also some confusion about whether or not it was an award or a prize. And actually, it's an award. Even though they call it a prize, it's an award. Because usually when there's a prize, there's money involved.

• 1:29:58Speaker 03

  But I thought I was gonna get some paper. I was like, yo. Mark Twain Award at Kennedy Center, that sound like paper. Then they told me yesterday they raised 2.3 million. I was like, yo, I'm in there.

• 1:30:13Speaker 03

  Then I came down and they told me that, oh, there is no, it's a prize, but there is no money. And I was like, oh.

• 1:30:24Speaker 03

  So I think to clear up a confusion for future recipients, maybe, maybe, maybe you don't want to call it the Mark Twain Prize. Maybe you might want, if you don't want to call it the award, maybe you could call it the Mark Twain Surprise. Surprise.

• 1:30:46Speaker 03

  And the surprise, of course, being you ain't getting no money.

• 1:30:53Speaker 03

  But that still doesn't diminish how wonderful this is. It's a wonderful, wonderful thing to be included with some of my heroes, Richard Pryor, and George Carlin, and Carl Reiner, and Lily Tomlin. Who else got this? Bill, oh, Bill has one of these.

• 1:31:17Speaker 03

  Did y'all make Bill give his back?

• 1:31:20Speaker 03

  No, because I know there was a big outcry from people. They was trying to get Bill to give his trophies back. You know you f***ed up when they want you to give your trophies back.

• 1:31:34Speaker 03

  He want to give his trophy back too? He should do one show where he just come out and just talk crazy now.

• 1:31:42Speaker 03

  I would like to talk to some of the people who fail.

• 1:31:50Speaker 05

  That I should give back my trophies.

• 1:31:59Joe Rogan?

  Obviously, they bleeped that out. Wow.

• 1:32:03Speaker 05

  Just because you may have heard recently that I allegedly put the pear into people's chocolate.

• 1:32:16Speaker 05

  I wish somebody would come up to my house talking about give up the trophy because you put the pear in the people's chocolate. You get, no.

• 1:32:24Speaker 05

  Because I'm not giving back.

• 1:32:30Speaker 05

  And who? Who is Hannibal Buress?

• 1:32:40Speaker 05

  Hannibal Buress.

• 1:32:45Speaker 03

  But this is 11 years ago.

• 1:32:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I was gonna say, Dick Gregory said. Yeah, that's Dick Gregory.

• 1:32:52Speaker 03

  It was, right?

• 1:32:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:32:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we're good.

• 1:32:56Speaker 03

  You know.

• 1:32:57Joe Rogan?

  But it's, uh, he's like a stand-up. Like, he's doing stand-up, accepting the war, and he's killing, and he hasn't done stand-up in fucking decades.

• 1:33:05Speaker 03

  I think it's the Billy Joel thing where he was such a hit and so, I mean, his stand-up specials were monsters. It's to be, want to be compared to that is such a... Like, you and I, our community is like, my kids have no clue Eddie Murphy was stand-up. They have no clue. They just know him as Donkey.

• 1:33:28Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 1:33:29Speaker 03

  He's Donkey and Shrek.

• 1:33:30Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:33:31Speaker 03

  Hey, Shrek!

• 1:33:31Joe Rogan?

  He's Big Mama.

• 1:33:32Speaker 03

  Yes. They don't even know that. They just know...

• 1:33:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's not him.

• 1:33:35Speaker 03

  They just know Donkey.

• 1:33:36Joe Rogan?

  No, he was the other one where he got fat.

• 1:33:38Speaker 01

  The clumps, the crump.

• 1:33:39Joe Rogan?

  The clumps.

• 1:33:40Speaker 01

  Nutty professor.

• 1:33:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, nutty professor. And then there was other one where he played like a bunch of different people. That's the clumps?

• 1:33:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think so.

• 1:33:46Joe Rogan?

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• 1:35:50Speaker 03

  He's the one where I committed to doing stand-up. I was taking, I was, my parents moved to Florida, this is like 987, something like that. So I'm taking theater, I'm doing stand-up in Long Island, like playing Levittown, the governors. And I was shocked no one discovered me, I was so cocky, so cocky. How do you not know I've arrived to New York? Soon I will be discovered. And then my parents moved to Florida. And while I'm down there, I'm really struggling. I think I was almost 21 years old. I said, I'll just go into restaurant management and hotel. And I took that nonsense class.

• 1:36:35Speaker 03

  And then Eddie Murphy, and the only reason I was doing it was for my mother. Cause my mom's like, you gotta fall back on something and you need a pension and you know, they're worried. You gotta get pension and make money and oh, God forbid, something happens. Jimmy, you gotta do something. And so while, I'll never forget this. This is like 90, I want to say it's late 88, maybe early 89. And Arsenio Hall was like the biggest talk show thing ever. Yeah. Where's my dog? Where are my dogs?

• 1:37:10Speaker 03

  It was huge.

• 1:37:11Joe Rogan?

  Things that make you go hmm.

• 1:37:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, things that make you hmm. Oh, yes.

• 1:37:15Joe Rogan?

  Yes. Things that make you go hmm.

• 1:37:17Speaker 03

  Yes, things that make you hmm. And so he had Eddie Murphy on. And of course, I saw Eddie Murphy live at Westbury Music Fair when he was like 18 years old. I'm like, so I've, this is my life right here. And so I'm watching Eddie Murphy. I wish I can find this, this interview one day. And Arsenio's like, uh, you got anything to say for any young comics out there? And this is not exactly what he said, but I remember he turned to the camera and he went, "Don't listen to your mother. Your mother wants you to do this and do that. You're going to 100%. Why are you going to fall back on something? You're already failing. If you want to make a pizza, you're going to make a pizza 100%. You're going to put the pepper on it." But he, the point of him was like, don't listen to your mother.

• 1:38:02Speaker 03

  You're going to go for it. You know what you want inside. You go for it. Stop listening to these outside sources that really, they don't, they're not in your brain. They're not in your journey. They're not in your vision. I've told, I've told a couple nephews and a good friend about this. He was like, Jim, I really want to go into it. I said, do it. Your mom's going to get pissed, but she's not, this is your journey, kid. Go for it. But that moment, Eddie Murphy is the reason why I just, I went home that day. And I went, uh, I gotta tell you guys something. And, you know, my dad's World War II vet. Everyone's a cop in the family. My dad is still like, you know, you can still sign up for the police department. You know, you want that. You know, you get a good pension. Officer Jim.

• 1:38:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, dude. I was very like, Dad.

• 1:38:50Joe Rogan?

  The windows rolled down, smoke comes out of the car. Give me that joint. Get the fuck out of here.

• 1:38:55Speaker 03

  You know why it pulls you over? No, okay, I don't need that. Get out of here, don't be an asshole, just get home safe, don't follow me. And now I did, I told my dad, if I had to chase, if I ever had to chase someone, I'm not, I'm not giving you a ticket. I am gonna beat the shit out of you. If you, if I'm running, my calves are killing me and I'm going through red lights. When I get you, we're gonna, I'm taking you behind a dumpster. It's not gonna end well for you. I'm just, I'm not made for that. And so I said, hey, I want to let you know right now, I am gonna be a stand-up comedian. I am gonna go into TV, I'm gonna pursue film. And this is what I'm doing. And I'll never forget, it was my dad. It was my dad who turned to me, never shook my hand in my life.

• 1:39:40Speaker 03

  And he went, you're a man now. And he goes, you go do that because I never had that opportunity. And I want you to have more than me. And my mom was like, Jesus Christ almighty, be careful, be careful. You know, be careful, be careful, Jesus Christ.

• 1:39:59Speaker 03

  Later that night, she's having martinis, you know, I was smoking.

• 1:40:02Joe Rogan?

  Spinning around in circles?

• 1:40:03Speaker 03

  I've been like, yeah.

• 1:40:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's so funny.

• 1:40:06Speaker 03

  But that was it. That was the, it was Eddie Murphy and then my dad's official boom. And I was off to the races.

• 1:40:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. By the time I started doing stand-up, my, my parents had long given up on trying to control me. They're like, okay.

• 1:40:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:40:22Joe Rogan?

  Good luck.

• 1:40:23Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, you're in your young twenties now.

• 1:40:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And it was also like, they were uncomfortable about me fighting and I was like, I don't, I'm, I'm gonna go do this, I'm doing this.

• 1:40:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, you know what you're doing.

• 1:40:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's like, even when I didn't know what I was doing, I was gonna do it.

• 1:40:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, you were doing it.

• 1:40:38Joe Rogan?

  But it's like, that leap is very hard when your parents are telling you no. It's very hard. When they're, they're giving you a hard time and they're putting pressure on you to have a legitimate career. They just don't get it. You know, they just don't get it that it's like. But that's- Someone can do it. It is a job. So this thing is like, oh, what if you never make it? Like, I remember I was dating this girl when I was 21 and her dad said that to her. Like, her dad was very concerned about me. He said, "What if he doesn't make it?" And she said it to me. You know what my dad said? He said, "What if you don't make it?" I go, "Okay." "I don't know what to say. Maybe I won't, but I'm gonna try. I'm not gonna stop doing it because I might not make it. That's retarded." I go, "Someone can do it."

• 1:41:22Joe Rogan?

  Like, I work with professional comedians all the time. They make a living doing stand-up comedy. Right. I know it exists. Right. It's not like it's in- it's not like I'm inventing a new profession that didn't exist before. Correct. Like, this is a profession. Yeah. It's not easy to do, but I think I can do it. And I think I wanna try, because I can't- I can't have a regular job. I'm too ADD. I can't sit in a- Me either. And when I say "regular job," people think- I know what you mean. "Oh, you're demeaning our jobs." No, you're not. That's not what I mean. I mean, a job you don't wanna do. Like, if you fa- if you have an office job, but that's what you love doing, and you're doing something that you enjoy doing, there's nothing wrong with that. But a lot of people, that's not what they're doing. A lot of people are just doing a job. And that beats you down.

• 1:42:06Joe Rogan?

  It beats you down and it dulls you. It dulls you- it dulls the conversations that you have. It dulls the conversations you have off work. You don't get stimulated. You're at a drone frequency, unfortunately. And I didn't wanna do that, man. I had a bunch of jobs, like, job jobs, just for money. And they don't feel good. I didn't enjoy it. And I didn't have a thing, like, if there was a thing, like, I wanna be a carpenter, I wanna build houses. I didn't have that thing. I didn't have that either. But I know people who do, and they're very happy. They love it. Architects, engineers, there's a lot of people who love what they do. Those were not interesting to me. And so, I was trying- and then stand-up was the only thing I'm like, "Oh, my God, these people are outcasts, just like me." Yeah. They're weirdos, just like me. Yeah.

• 1:42:50Joe Rogan?

  They're the people that just don't fit in. They're the people that say the things you're not supposed to say. That was me. And I was like, "I gotta figure out how to do this." And I knew it was a- I might- I mean, I never thought of- my own- Fitzsimmons and I talk about this all the time, because we started out, like, literally within a week of each other. Wow. We traveled together all of, we would drive to Rhode Island to do open mics together. We hung out, we did a ton of road gigs in the early days. All our goal was, was to be able to pay our bills with comedy. That was the goal.

• 1:43:19Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:43:19Joe Rogan?

  The only goal.

• 1:43:20Speaker 03

  And it felt great.

• 1:43:21Joe Rogan?

  That was, because we knew guys, there was this guy DJ Hazard, who was a really funny Boston stand-up. And I went to look at these apartments once, and these loft apartments, they had turned this, um, like an elementary school, this old brick elementary school into these loft condos.

• 1:43:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:43:38Joe Rogan?

  And DJ had a place there, and I knew, like, I went to look at this, like, little studio apartment that they had there. And he had this big loft there, I was like, oh my god, you imagine? This guy's doing this just with comedy, this is crazy.

• 1:43:50Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:43:51Joe Rogan?

  Look at this fucking killer apartment this guy has, and he just tells jokes.

• 1:43:55Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:43:56Joe Rogan?

  That was the dream.

• 1:43:56Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:43:57Joe Rogan?

  That was the dream.

• 1:43:58Speaker 03

  I tell my kids too, I tell everyone, just go for your passion.

• 1:44:02Joe Rogan?

  Whatever it is.

• 1:44:03Speaker 03

  Go for the passion. And you know, my-

• 1:44:05Joe Rogan?

  And do it while you're young, while you don't have a family, you don't have a mortgage, you know what I'm saying?

• 1:44:10Speaker 03

  Is this the moment?

• 1:44:10Speaker 01

  I think so. He's talking about starting comedy and like-

• 1:44:13Speaker 03

  Look at his hair. Look at his hair.

• 1:44:20Speaker 03

  By the way, Ed, here's your report card. I'll be blown away if this is it.

• 1:44:27Speaker 03

  But you always knew that this is where you wanted to be, this is what you wanted- I knew I wanted to be in show business, and I just happened to luck out and things happened. I think you know, you know, you, if you, you know what you're supposed to do. Deep down inside, I think everybody does, and a lot of people just don't go after it, you know? And like, most people start out, they say, I want to be a this, but I'm going to get that to make sure I have something to fall back on. And what you're doing is you're setting yourself up for failure, because you're going, there's a possibility that I'm gonna fall back. And when you put that out there, then you fall back. But if you just say, hey, this is what I want to do, and you go do it, you usually get your stuff the way you want it, man. That's what-

• 1:45:08Speaker 03

  I, I don't even know if this is true, because you know how Uncle Ray laughs, okay? Uncle Ray's- I loved Uncle Ray. You know how much your uncle laughs? Uncle Ray shaved off his beard, you seen? No, I didn't see him.

• 1:45:21Speaker 03

  Uncle Ray told me that a fortune was down my back. He came out with his beard off, I said- They don't know Uncle Ray, so they're like. Picture, uh, picture me, but a lot older. That's Uncle Ray.

• 1:45:39Speaker 03

  He said that. He said. How much time do we have left? Oh, plenty. Do you have any other guests tonight?

• 1:45:50Speaker 03

  He's like, this is, I already did my favor.

• 1:45:55Speaker 03

  Hey, Uncle Ray! Hey, wait, wait, wait. Not Uncle Ray. Please, don't invite Uncle Ray out here. Uncle Ray!

• 1:46:03Speaker 03

  Uncle Ray!

• 1:46:15Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious, he brought his uncle out.

• 1:46:17Speaker 03

  Dude, he would bring his uncle, his uncle would murder. That's what I would look like in forty years. His uncle would murder, I think on, on, um, Letterman. His, his uncle would murder. Now, now, now he got me wondering.

• 1:46:31Joe Rogan?

  Maybe there's another interview.

• 1:46:33Speaker 03

  No, I'm, I could stop, like, did I go from that, or my head?

• 1:46:38Joe Rogan?

  Did you add to it in your head?

• 1:46:40Speaker 03

  Did I add to it in my head?

• 1:46:41Joe Rogan?

  That does happen.

• 1:46:42Speaker 03

  It does happen, I don't like that.

• 1:46:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's so weird.

• 1:46:45Speaker 03

  Cause I'll, I'm like, I absolutely said.

• 1:46:48Joe Rogan?

  It's so weird when you're, you have a memory that you're sure of.

• 1:46:51Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:46:52Joe Rogan?

  And then other people are like, no, this happened, that happened, the other thing, and then you're like, wait.

• 1:46:56Speaker 03

  Shit.

• 1:46:57Joe Rogan?

  But I.

• 1:46:57Speaker 03

  You're right. And I do remember saying the fall back stuff, cause I used that going into, talking to my mom, like, mom, can't fall back, I'm gonna do a hundred percent.

• 1:47:05Joe Rogan?

  That is, that is a fact. That you can't. You can't fall back, you can't have a net. You're not gonna make it if you have a net.

• 1:47:12Speaker 03

  No, you're spreading yourself thin all over the place.

• 1:47:14Joe Rogan?

  Too hard, well, also, the amount of focus that it takes, whatever you're trying to do in life, the amount of focus that it takes to do it. This is what I always say to fighters, when they have like one foot in and one foot out, I'm like, quit. Quit, because the consequences of you facing a guy that's all in are devastating. That guy wants to be the best ever, and you're, you're not sure if you want to fight anymore, you're gonna get hurt.

• 1:47:37Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:47:38Joe Rogan?

  Right. That, that happens a lot, you see that a lot.

• 1:47:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, cause sometimes it's just for the cash, or they need the cash.

• 1:47:44Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's also their identity, and there's, you know, they're not sure if this is the right career for them, maybe they have a couple of losses, and they, they don't feel confident anymore, like, get out. But with comedy, at least you don't have to worry about getting hurt. Like, really, what it's just about is like, okay, you're presented with more challenges. Figure it out.

• 1:48:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:48:03Joe Rogan?

  Figure it out and push through. Somebody's done it, okay? There's people out there that are doing it. Which is one of the things that we really... When we started the club, one of the things that we implemented at the club that we thought was really important is a legitimate development program. So Adam Eget, who is the talent coordinator for the Comedy Store...

• 1:48:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:48:20Joe Rogan?

  Is now the talent coordinator for the mothership, but he takes it very seriously. There's a program.

• 1:48:25Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:48:26Joe Rogan?

  There's two days of open mic nights. He watches everybody's set.

• 1:48:29Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:48:30Joe Rogan?

  He sits down, he takes notes, he gives them feedback. And then when they start progressing, he gives them a little bit more time. And then maybe he'll give them a spot on one of the showcase shows.

• 1:48:39Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:48:39Joe Rogan?

  And doing that and allowing people to have a pathway, where then they go on the road with some of the other headliners.

• 1:48:46Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:48:47Joe Rogan?

  We have a lot of guys that are headlining on the road that are taking a lot of the people that work at the club, door people, people that work on the staff. Take them on the road with them. And now, so there's a pathway. So not only do you see that others have done it, so you know, but there's a way. That it's like we're helping them. And there's a lot of talented people that they get frustrated, and we all knew guys that were really fucking talented when we were in New York. Remember that kid from Jimmy's Comedy Alley? I brought him up before. Dark hair. He was really funny. Really funny. Remember Jimmy's Comedy Alley in Queens? I know I brought him up on the podcast before.

• 1:49:24Speaker 03

  Vaguely.

• 1:49:25Joe Rogan?

  This kid was funny, man. But funny, but like...

• 1:49:27Speaker 03

  Where's he from?

• 1:49:28Joe Rogan?

  Really socially conscious. He was a New York guy. He was a New York guy.

• 1:49:32Speaker 03

  Was he, was he...

• 1:49:35Speaker 03

  Was he kind of sporadic and off the wall a little bit?

• 1:49:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he was a little weird.

• 1:49:41Speaker 03

  I know who you're talking about.

• 1:49:42Joe Rogan?

  You know who I'm talking about.

• 1:49:43Speaker 03

  Any, oh my god.

• 1:49:44Joe Rogan?

  But he was funny.

• 1:49:45Speaker 03

  George? Is it George Gallo?

• 1:49:47Joe Rogan?

  No, no, that's another guy who was very funny, too.

• 1:49:49Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:49:50Joe Rogan?

  There was another guy, but this guy was different. He was almost like, kind of like, clearly he was a fan of Bill Hicks. But he wasn't, he wasn't, he wasn't stealing from Bill Hicks, but he was clearly inspired by Bill Hicks.

• 1:50:01Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:50:01Joe Rogan?

  I mean, not Bill Hicks style at all, but socially conscious stand-up that was like really funny and good. And I was like, this guy's gonna make it. And no.

• 1:50:12Speaker 03

  Almost Stan Hope-y. Doug.

• 1:50:14Joe Rogan?

  Not as good as Stan Hope. Not as good as Stan Hope, but wasn't, didn't have, like by the time I met Stand Up, or Stan Hope rather, Stan Hope had been doing stand up for probably 12 years. So, so he was, he was like, super legit back then.

• 1:50:29Speaker 03

  I think that's when I remember, we, we were at some Florida event and

• 1:50:36Speaker 03

  I went down there totally fluffing my feathers. I think I was, I think I might have had a season of SNL. I'm like, you know, I'm wearing my pad, like, I got my peacock feathers out. And Stan Hope was the winner of this, this festival and they got to play the last night. I think it was like Todd Barry.

• 1:51:01Speaker 03

  All I remember is Todd Barry, Doug Stan Hope, and me. Now, I was supposed to follow Todd Barry. No offense to Todd. I'll take that any day of the week, because Todd's energy is lower.

• 1:51:18Joe Rogan?

  Right. He's like a deadpan guy.

• 1:51:20Speaker 03

  And deadpan, no matter murder, I, I know, I feel clumped. I'm like, okay. I, I usually do okay after deadpan, no matter what. I'm, I'm, I'm ready to go. I'm seasoned. I could do this.

• 1:51:31Speaker 03

  They go, we're switching the, I'm switching the order. Because at that time too, I think the manager, maybe it was whoever it was, he knew, he's like, there's no way he's gonna be able to go up after Stan Hope. So they switched Barry and Stan Hope. So now, I don't know who Doug Stan Hope is. And Doug Stan Hope goes up. I'm gonna say for like, the first couple minutes, he's eating it a little bit. And I'm like, why would you do this to this kid? And then all of a sudden, he snapped. And all I remember is from that moment on, I went, oh shit.

• 1:52:07Speaker 03

  This is gonna be an issue going up after this. And he was murdering, like slaying, like just, and, and the things he was saying. Cause at that time too, I'm not, I'm not a dirty guy. I'm not, I'm not, I just chew sometimes. I love filthy material. But I, I just don't always go in that. And he's hitting subjects, like dark subjects and insects, and he's beating the shit out of a room. And I just went, yeah, this is not gonna go well.

• 1:52:42Speaker 03

  And I remember going up and I, I, I held my own, but I don't know if I pulled off going off or going up after a very young, unproven Stan Hope. Even back then, I was like, I gotta keep an eye on this guy, cause he's a monster. And he was, he was a mu- this is like 90, maybe mid 90s?

• 1:53:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think I met Stan Hope in 98, somewhere around then. What is, what is? No, no, no. Well, maybe.

• 1:53:19Speaker 03

  Wait, yeah, that is him.

• 1:53:20Joe Rogan?

  That's Keith Anthony. That is him. He just looks different there.

• 1:53:23Speaker 03

  Whoa, wait a minute.

• 1:53:24Joe Rogan?

  He's older. Yep, that's him. That's him.

• 1:53:27Speaker 03

  No, it's just Keith Anthony.

• 1:53:28Joe Rogan?

  So is he still working?

• 1:53:29Speaker 01

  Uh, I think.

• 1:53:30Speaker 03

  Who's Keith Anthony?

• 1:53:31Joe Rogan?

  Keith Anthony is the guy that I was telling you about Jimmy's Comedy Hour.

• 1:53:33Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:53:34Joe Rogan?

  He was very funny. He came to, um, he came to the Comedy Store. He drove across the country in a Cadillac that had the roof sawed off of it.

• 1:53:45Joe Rogan?

  And it like, it was a convertible, but not really. So it didn't have a top. And so his fucking, he got rained on while he was driving across the country. So his entire Cadillac is filled with water while he's driving. I don't know if he drove with a raincoat or if he just ate it. Just ate the water. But yeah, that's, that's Keith Anthony.

• 1:54:02Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:54:03Joe Rogan?

  Thank you, James.

• 1:54:03Speaker 03

  Is he still around?

• 1:54:04Joe Rogan?

  How did you pull that up?

• 1:54:06Speaker 01

  Tricks.

• 1:54:06Speaker 03

  Is he still around, or?

• 1:54:07Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. I haven't seen him in forever. I remember we brought him up on the podcast a few years ago.

• 1:54:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, I found a transcript where he brought him up.

• 1:54:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and um.

• 1:54:15Speaker 03

  Who is, who is the guy from the, the uh, radio? I hope I'm not going around just, the radio, there's a radio guy, he was taller, he was married to like an Israeli chick.

• 1:54:28Joe Rogan?

  John Tobin.

• 1:54:28Speaker 03

  Yes!

• 1:54:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:30Speaker 03

  I still, that was one of the greatest, most hilarious adventures of my lifetime. Was, was Tobin and I, we, we had a gig and it was horrifying. It was like, coconuts. We're gonna send you down to uh, we're gonna send you down to Cancun Spring Break, right?

• 1:54:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh god.

• 1:54:53Speaker 03

  Oh yeah. And I'm, I'm young. I'm like, oh my, I'm not even married yet.

• 1:54:57Joe Rogan?

  You were in Cancun?

• 1:54:58Speaker 03

  Yes. And it's spring break. I'm like, oh my god.

• 1:55:02Joe Rogan?

  What year was this?

• 1:55:03Speaker 03

  Um, okay, so I got married in 93. I'm gonna say 1992. 1992. And I think I'm making 500 bucks for two weeks. You have to work every single night, right? So, wait a minute. So, I'm with, so I'm, I don't know who the other comedian is, right?

• 1:55:22Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:55:23Speaker 03

  And so as we, I land at Cancun, and right away, the bells and a whistle, and have a tequila shot. I'm like, I'm young, like, this is great. Tobin is probably 10, 15 years older.

• 1:55:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's, I wanted to say he was in his young 40s. I could be wrong. So, as we're driving down to Cancun, and we're getting wasted on the bus, like, who wants another shot? I want another shot. This is the greatest gig ever. So, we pass all the, the Spring Break hotels, and there's no one left on the bus. There's nobody left on the bus, except for some guy who's like in his 40s, right? And I go walking up the bus drive, I'm like, hey uh, where's, where's uh, you know, La, La Travaç? And he's going, ta ta, ta ta. What? I don't understand what he's saying. And this guy goes, he said it's downtown. I went, oh.

• 1:56:20Speaker 03

  I go, uh, what is your name? He goes, John. I go, I'm a comedian. He's like, yeah, I'm the other fucking comedian. And they have us fucking downtown. They don't have some fucking thing. I said, it's okay.

• 1:56:33Joe Rogan?

  Are you sure? That doesn't sound like.

• 1:56:34Speaker 03

  No, no, no, dude. It was John. This is really funny. So they put us downtown, right? Me and Tobin. And me and John have talked to this multiple times. Said, one day we gotta write this as the funniest adventure ever. We had a take. First of all, we check in the hotel. And the guy's like, yeah, you, I don't know if the other guy's still in there. What other guy? They're like, the three of you are in one room. Well, three of us in a room? What are you talking about? John's losing his shit. He's arguing with his, where he's like, I'm married to a rally check. And he's like, fuck it. And all they do is yell at each other. He goes, big phone, he fucking yell at each other. So now we go to our room and there's, there's someone in our room.

• 1:57:18Speaker 03

  It's like, and he goes, yeah, I haven't been paid yet. Been stuck here for like a month. Like, oh. Oh, yeah. So I slept on the floor.

• 1:57:27Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:57:27Speaker 03

  On my life, on my lap. As Tobin is, right? So I'm on the floor. The first night I wake up and Tobin's like yelling over the other. He's like, if you keep snoring, I'm gonna lose my shit. Right? So by the end of the week, we're not getting paid. All the gigs are getting canceled. All I remember is it ended like six days later. I had to go get money transferred because now we're partying. We're just like, screw it. Let's go find weed, tequila. We went on an adventure with this poor bastard got thrown out of a car. We were going to buy tequila right outside.

• 1:58:10Speaker 03

  And the guy got thrown out of the car. And we're like, what's going on? Now we're all wasted and we go up and the guy's going in his pockets and taking his money. And we go, hey, what's going on there? And he's like, you know, man, they're talking in Spanish again. John knew Spanish a little bit. And so, he takes off and we're like, we're taking care of this guy, like, what's your name? He's like, Juan. And to this day, this is why I know in Spanish, my name is Jaime. Because we lifted him up and he's like, oh amigo, amigo. What, what's your name? I said, James. Jaime. Yeah, yeah, Jaime, amigo. John, Juan. This, this night lasted to 6 a.m. in the morning.

• 1:58:55Speaker 03

  And it was one of the greatest ventures in our entire lifetime. To this day, I have to get Tobin, cause he's got even greater details as the night goes on. It was probably the greatest, it ended that night, or that morning, about 7 a.m. To John with a, with a golf club smashing the drapes. Cause he's like, I said, I'm gonna lose it if you don't stop snoring. And he's smashing the thing and some other, the University of Wisconsin was staying there. There was some other mess going on.

• 1:59:35Speaker 03

  All I remember is I woke up, I went right to the airport, I booked a hotel, and I went home and I haven't seen John since. But I remember, you knew him. You were his buddy.

• 1:59:46Joe Rogan?

  Well, John and I did stand up at the Joker's Wild in New Haven, Connecticut. That's where I worked with them. He was the opening act, I was the headliner and, or he was the middle act, one or the other. And then we became friends and we started playing pool together. And then he got a job at Executive Billiards in White Plains. He was one of the counter guys at Executive Billiards.

• 2:00:10Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 2:00:10Joe Rogan?

  So the pool hall where I became obsessed with playing pool, John and I would hang out in that pool hall all the time, cause John worked there.

• 2:00:17Speaker 03

  Ah, that's, yes, cause he would bring you up a lot, he's like, you know Joe Rogan? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, yeah, I'm friends with him. But this is way, way, way, way.

• 2:00:26Joe Rogan?

  Now that I think about it, John did have a little bit of an anger issue.

• 2:00:29Speaker 03

  It was the funniest.

• 2:00:33Speaker 03

  And he would be on his wife, he's yelling at his wife. I don't talk to me, I'm stuck in Cancun.

• 2:00:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh no.

• 2:00:39Speaker 03

  I gotta get all the, the, the.

• 2:00:42Joe Rogan?

  The details of the adventure. I lost touch with that dude. I ran into him a long time ago. I wanna say, close to 20 years ago. I was doing a gig in Miami. And after the show, we were leaving the back of the theater and I went to get in the car. And I saw this guy that was standing out in line. He knew that this was the back of the theater, I was gonna come out and it was John. And I didn't recognize him for like a half a second, cuz there was like a spotlight behind him.

• 2:01:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:01:07Joe Rogan?

  You know, he was a little silhouetted, the streetlight behind him. And then I was like, oh shit, what are you doing? And I know we exchanged numbers, but you know me, I change my fucking number every two years at least. I lost touch with him a long time ago and I lost phones and, I don't know. But John and I were always in that pool hall together.

• 2:01:27Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 2:01:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, for a couple of years, he worked there, at least. He was like the, the counter guy. Like he would give you the balls and take the money and our good friend Guy, Guy Azariti, rest in peace. He was the owner of the place.

• 2:01:43Speaker 03

  I'm gonna hunt him down, cuz this.

• 2:01:45Joe Rogan?

  But he'll probably reach out after this.

• 2:01:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We, there was a black guy with us, the other guy was a black guy? And every day we'd leave and this little hooker would follow me and she had to be like in her 50s. And she's just, she was chubby and a mess and she'd go, ew, you're a tiny little boy, little boy. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, but the, the black dude would always go, yo, I'll take you. And you go, no, no, too big, too big, too big. I swear to God.

• 2:02:11Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious.

• 2:02:12Speaker 03

  And what's crazy is that venture we went on, we end up going to this guy's house. And he made like his wife and stuff cook for us at 3 in the morning. And, and his whole family is staring at us, you know, I'm a jackass, I'm, I'm all juiced up. And like, we're gonna get you out of Mexico and we're gonna get you to America. We're gonna help you out right now.

• 2:02:35Joe Rogan?

  We're gonna get you to America.

• 2:02:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, we're gonna help you out. We're gonna, we're gonna save you. You don't worry about it. And I remember the neighborhood too, like they, they're, they're, as you what, there were dogs just running wild. Wasn't it a nice part of, it was just a part of town, like, are we safe? And who lives on his street as we're showing up like three in the morning? It was the hooker that, that stays outside our hotel room. Like, you can't even write this. She's like, oh, she no go, she no go, no, hi me, hi me, no, no. And I'm like, no, trust me, no. I don't want any of that, but she tries to get me every day. Every day she tries to get me.

• 2:03:16Joe Rogan?

  She tries to get me.

• 2:03:17Speaker 03

  She does.

• 2:03:17Joe Rogan?

  Bro, you used to be able to go to Mexico and it was no problem. Like, Mexico was a fun place to visit. Did you see what's going on right now in Puerto Vallarta?

• 2:03:25Speaker 03

  No, I heard.

• 2:03:26Joe Rogan?

  You don't know?

• 2:03:27Speaker 03

  I heard, no, I checked, dude, I tapped out of.

• 2:03:29Joe Rogan?

  You don't know?

• 2:03:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, I tapped out of everything.

• 2:03:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh, listen, it's just started yesterday. There's a gang war or with the cartel war that's going on in Puerto Vallarta. Because they killed the head of one of the cartels.

• 2:03:41Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 2:03:41Joe Rogan?

  So they arrested, the military arrested and killed one of the heads of one of the cartels and Puerto Vallarta right now is a war zone.

• 2:03:51Speaker 03

  Really?

• 2:03:52Joe Rogan?

  They lit a Costco on fire. There's gunfights in the streets, cars and trucks on fire. Roads are shut down. There, you can't fly out of there anymore. All the airlines won't fly out. Air Canada pulled their flights. All these places pulled their flights. So there's tourists that went to Puerto Vallarta on vacation that are Americans that are stuck there.

• 2:04:12Speaker 03

  Is this, is?

• 2:04:12Joe Rogan?

  US citizens urged to shelter in place after Mexico drug lord's killing sparks wave of violence. Yeah, this is going on right now, like, right now.

• 2:04:23Speaker 03

  So is that?

• 2:04:24Joe Rogan?

  See if you can find some video of it.

• 2:04:25Speaker 03

  That's, that's south, right?

• 2:04:27Joe Rogan?

  Puerto Vallarta, yes.

• 2:04:28Speaker 03

  South of like Cancun and all that?

• 2:04:30Joe Rogan?

  No, it's on the other side of the country.

• 2:04:31Speaker 03

  Oh, it's the west coast?

• 2:04:33Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:04:33Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 2:04:34Joe Rogan?

  I think, right? Isn't Puerto Vallarta the west coast?

• 2:04:36Speaker 03

  Like Cabo?

• 2:04:37Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:04:38Speaker 03

  On that side?

• 2:04:39Joe Rogan?

  I think.

• 2:04:40Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 2:04:42Joe Rogan?

  Um, I know it's near Punta Mita that has that, um, there's a beautiful Four Seasons Resort there. Yeah, it's on the west side. Um, but it's, there's a gang war, like a literal.

• 2:04:53Speaker 03

  Lily gang fight, street fight.

• 2:04:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh dude, watch the video. Get, put the videos, um, cartel, just put, just write cartel violence after that.

• 2:05:05Joe Rogan?

  Cartel.

• 2:05:07Joe Rogan?

  It's fucking crazy.

• 2:05:11Joe Rogan?

  Just write cartel.

• 2:05:13Speaker 03

  Fucking help me out, Henry.

• 2:05:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, this, the footage is fucking banana. Look at this. There's, well, there's real shit. This ain't real. That's, that's AI. Me and the boy, this is real. This I've seen. Go full screen. This is the Costco on fire. Bro, they're blowing up buildings. There's gunfights in the streets. They've got armored vehicles. There's shootouts. I was watching this video where these people are like hiding in a building and you hear

• 2:05:43Joe Rogan?

  just fucking gunfights in the middle of the street.

• 2:05:46Speaker 03

  It's.

• 2:05:47Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy. Look how much is on fire. Look at these people on the beach like nothing's going on.

• 2:05:50Speaker 03

  And where are they targeting?

• 2:05:52Joe Rogan?

  I'm jogging. I know the world's on fire, but I've gotta get my 10,000 steps in.

• 2:05:56Speaker 03

  I've got my earbuds in and I'm listening to native flute music.

• 2:06:00Joe Rogan?

  All these fucking people just chilling while there's buildings on fire in the background. That's hilarious. They're surrounded by cartel warfare and Air Canada's canceled flights out of Puerto Vallarta. Yeah, look at that. Bro, this is so bad for tourism. This is gonna cost Mexico billions of dollars. You know what? This kind of shit. Look at the picture, man. It's like, half the city's on fire. That's crazy.

• 2:06:21Speaker 03

  Hmm, interesting.

• 2:06:24Joe Rogan?

  What does that tweet say?

• 2:06:25Speaker 01

  Uh, just someone joking.

• 2:06:26Joe Rogan?

  Go back to it.

• 2:06:27Speaker 01

  It's 10% off at Verbo.

• 2:06:31Speaker 03

  And now you too can go, you ever see those, those, what is that?

• 2:06:34Joe Rogan?

  No, I was looking at that one. That one right there. Chaotic scenes from Puerto Vallarta after CJNG, uh, Jalisco, New Generation Cartel Sicarios started to block main roads and set civilian vehicles on fire in multiple regions of Mexico, including Guadalajara.

• 2:06:53Joe Rogan?

  Uh, how do you say that? Mahocan?

• 2:06:54Speaker 03

  Mah- Mah- Mahocan.

• 2:06:56Joe Rogan?

  Mahocan? And Jalisco? In retaliation to the show more?

• 2:07:01Speaker 03

  The alleged.

• 2:07:02Joe Rogan?

  Uh, killing of their leader El Mencho. Meanwhile, reports are emerging stating that the cartel mechanized units with improvised monster armored vehicles are amassing, amassing in Jalisco and other parts of the country. So, there's some shit, like some serious shit that's going down.

• 2:07:20Speaker 03

  Interesting.

• 2:07:21Joe Rogan?

  Scary.

• 2:07:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:07:23Joe Rogan?

  Scary, get stuck in the middle of that. This is the.

• 2:07:26Speaker 03

  Well, getting stuck there would be a little bit of a bummer.

• 2:07:28Joe Rogan?

  Well, no, but stuck in the middle of it because that's where a lot of people die in the crossfire. Cause you get hit with strays, cause they're just, they're not like precision shooting. They're gunning people down and they're, they're shooting at cars and.

• 2:07:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:07:42Joe Rogan?

  But that's Mexico now. The point is like, when you went there in 92, you used to be able to go there. It was easy. It was like, nobody worried at all about going to Mexico. Going to Mexico was fun. You didn't even have to have a passport back in the day. You used to be able to go over there with your driver's license.

• 2:07:56Speaker 03

  That is true. Sometime, I mean, they, they've always scared you with the cartel thing. Um, not saying it doesn't exist.

• 2:08:04Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:08:05Speaker 03

  Once, once in a while, up until like five years ago, seven years. When, put it this way, my wife and I went to a place called Maroma, but on the east coast. And even before we went, uh, friends were like, oh, you know, you gotta be careful.

• 2:08:18Joe Rogan?

  That's, that's near Cancun, right? That's near Chichen Itza.

• 2:08:21Speaker 03

  Yes, yes.

• 2:08:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:22Speaker 03

  It was beautiful, a little tiny resort.

• 2:08:24Joe Rogan?

  I went to that place.

• 2:08:25Speaker 03

  Like a 20 something anniversary and it was, and even then I would see people walking down the street with, uh, machine guns.

• 2:08:34Joe Rogan?

  Was it?

• 2:08:35Speaker 03

  There were the, they were.

• 2:08:35Joe Rogan?

  Cops.

• 2:08:36Speaker 03

  The cops or, or the army or whatever. I was like, whoa. And they would tell you, and they're like, listen, if you see something washed up on shore, don't touch it. Don't touch it. I'm like, really? They're, yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't let, let the government come and get it.

• 2:08:50Joe Rogan?

  Don't steal the coke.

• 2:08:51Speaker 03

  Okay. All right. Well, I'm another margariter. That's cool. When's dinner again?

• 2:08:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:56Speaker 03

  But I've always, you always kinda heard.

• 2:08:59Joe Rogan?

  Well, it was nothing scary, though.

• 2:09:00Speaker 03

  Not like this.

• 2:09:01Joe Rogan?

  This, it used to be like a normal place to go to tour. I like that place I told you about, Punta Mita. I've been there. I went once with my family when my kids were really young and they have golf courts, uh, golf carts, rather, on the resort.

• 2:09:15Speaker 03

  I love that.

• 2:09:15Joe Rogan?

  And you can drive around your golf court. You stay in like this little villa and you get a little golf cart that you can borrow. And then we asked the people, can we take the golf cart into the town? And they said, sure. So we leave and you leave the resort and then you go into the town and it's just like immediate abject poverty and this militarized police station where these guys were on an armored car with this like big armored plate and a fucking machine gun and a guy sitting there just like he's ready to go. And then I had to put it together, oh, they're there to protect the resort.

• 2:09:49Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 2:09:50Joe Rogan?

  I was like, whoa.

• 2:09:51Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 2:09:52Joe Rogan?

  So then you, it started, it starts putting, like, the illusion of the four seasons dissolves. Cause the illusion is this immaculately manicured lawns, beautiful landscape, gorgeous buildings. Everyone's well attired and so polite and serving you and like, and this is surrounded by real Mexico.

• 2:10:12Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm. That was like the first time I went to Turks and Caicos. Uh, the kids were young and I went to whatever resort, it's all included. Maybe it was a beaches, I don't remember. And we had to, but the minute you went right outside of beaches, you're like, whoa, they're, they're like.

• 2:10:33Joe Rogan?

  Barely getting by.

• 2:10:34Speaker 03

  They don't have nothing going on here and it's all you can eat right there. And I remember being younger in my head, I don't know if it was the weed or whatever, but I'd sit there, I'd go, oh, so basically, whatever, like corporations will show up like, how much for the, how much for these beaches? They're like, oh, it's not for sale. How much? Cause we, we want this. No, we've been living here forever. We live off the, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, drugs and, uh, you know, crazy gangs don't show up and then you need us to protect you and then, you know, if then you let us know, then maybe we can make a deal. Meep, meep, or they, they make the deal with one of the leaders. Dude.

• 2:11:17Joe Rogan?

  Well, people have always been vacationing in Mexico.

• 2:11:19Speaker 03

  Yes, but it always blows me away. Like people will get mad, whether it's, whether it's Hawaii or whatever. All the nicest beaches in the world are basically, if, even in bad areas, they're surrounded by like billionaire, like gorgeous resort. It's just like, it's just like coming off a cruise boat. You, you're treated like a king and a queen and then you show up at certain ports and they're like all begging. You're like, ah, these beggars. But if, I mean, if you think about it, it's like someone coming here and they're coming into a bad section and they're worth billions of dollars and they're coming off and they're kind of looking at you funny. It's just, it's, um, that always fascinated me, like how do they get into these areas?

• 2:12:03Speaker 03

  And they, and they make sure you stay there.

• 2:12:06Joe Rogan?

  Well, usually those areas are fucked for a reason, right? And Mexico is fucked for a reason because of the drugs. That's a big part of it. And the other thing is what happened in the 19, I guess in the eighties with, uh, that movie Roger and Me, whatever year that was, that detailed that, where they just shipped all the factories over to Mexico. And then that, that became like, it killed Detroit. And a lot of things started getting manufactured and built in, in Mexico. And, you know, they took advantage of the fact that they can get cheaper wages over there and they didn't have to insure anybody. They didn't have to give, no benefits, no benefits. You get, it's, you spend way less money and you can make people work way longer. There's no rules.

• 2:12:48Speaker 03

  That's the beginning of all of it.

• 2:12:49Joe Rogan?

  A lot of dirty corporations did that, just to make a buck.

• 2:12:52Speaker 03

  Yep, and continue.

• 2:12:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:12:55Speaker 03

  And continue to do that. Interesting.

• 2:12:57Joe Rogan?

  Well, you find out that the rest of the world, like the whole world, when you look at, you know, people love to use that term, the one percenters. You know what the one percent for the whole world is? Top one percent, $34,000.

• 2:13:10Joe Rogan?

  Thirty four thousand dollars a year puts you in the one percent of the world.

• 2:13:14Speaker 03

  What?

• 2:13:14Joe Rogan?

  Yes, that's how distorted our version of like wealth and middle class and prosperity. Like, this is the beauty of like a functioning capitalism, United States.

• 2:13:30Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 2:13:31Joe Rogan?

  Is that you do so well that you start talking about inequality, you don't realize that even the inequality that you have in America is the dream of someone who lives in a third world country.

• 2:13:43Speaker 03

  I go, I love going to, I go to Tanzania, Kenya, last year, I did six weeks in Africa. I love going in the middle of nowhere and just seeing literally people with nothing. And they're still.

• 2:14:04Joe Rogan?

  Happy.

• 2:14:05Speaker 03

  Not only they're still happy, they just, they have the whole life system down. They understand everything operates for a reason. Everything operates for a reason. I remember this one guy who's telling me, like the giraffes were walking along, right? And he's like, oh, that tree, that tree's gonna communicate with that tree. And the roots by talking to the roots and then the roots are gonna send up a system. And you're gonna notice the giraffe's gonna walk to it and immediately walk to the next one because they already sent, put out the, I'm like, what? What? Like, how do you even know? Because this is what they live in. And then even, I would talk with the locals and I'd be like, how, like in a village.

• 2:14:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:14:50Speaker 03

  There's no paved roads. And they, I'd go, how does, if something goes down here, like let's say this guy's a jerk and he gets way to something nasty, there's no courts, there's no, there's no laws, there's no police, they do everything themselves. They go, well, then. The wisest, the elders get together and they go, let's confront so and so. And we go to the house and we go, hey, man, what's, what's going on here? You need to come out. I used to, everyone said they stole, they watched you steal. And there it is. And then they'll bring them out into, into the entire village. And we're like, well, everyone, everyone know. Little Johnny here, kind of, I don't know what's going on. Is it your family?

• 2:15:34Speaker 03

  You lose, is some kind of thing going on at home? Whatever we could do, we want to help you and make sure this never helps again. But everyone needs to know, you now, you gotta be careful. And so we all got our eye on you. And it's just, it, it blows my mind, the simplicity of that. And I feel like we had that as little children hanging out in the street and everyone kind of looking at each other. And I always wondered if we ever were going to go back to that somehow where.

• 2:16:01Joe Rogan?

  Well, you really can if you have a job and you commute.

• 2:16:04Speaker 03

  It's gotten so complicated since then.

• 2:16:06Joe Rogan?

  With social media on it and you have to answer emails. You're not going back to that.

• 2:16:09Speaker 03

  No, it's so complicated. And you know, once in a while you want to go like, I would like a latte and three slices of pizza.

• 2:16:15Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever seen the Werner Herzog documentary Happy People, Life in the Taiga?

• 2:16:21Speaker 03

  No, didn't he also do the bear guy?

• 2:16:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Grizzly man.

• 2:16:28Speaker 03

  And that was one of the greatest movies I've ever seen.

• 2:16:31Joe Rogan?

  Greatest movie ever.

• 2:16:32Speaker 03

  Belly laughed watching that thing.

• 2:16:33Joe Rogan?

  He made, he made that a comedy. He did it on purpose. But this, um, this Happy People, Life in the Taiga is all about these trappers that live in the Taiga forest in Siberia. And how happy they are. These people have nothing. I mean, they have nothing. They, they have to catch fish. They have to catch animals for fur and shoot animals for meat. And they drive around in snowmobiles everywhere. And then they go together at night and they all drink. They'll have dogs. They're all so happy. There's like very low instances of mental illness. So you can find some clips from it. It's really, it's a really good documentary because it makes you think like, what do you need out of life?

• 2:17:12Speaker 03

  What do you need? We have everything.

• 2:17:13Joe Rogan?

  What do you actually need out of life? These people are-

• 2:17:15Speaker 03

  We have everything.

• 2:17:16Joe Rogan?

  These people are like really well balanced, man. They're like, they're fucking very genuinely happy people. And the way Werner Herzog documents it and does the narration, part of you just goes, wow, this is like, is this how you're supposed to live? Are you supposed to- subsistence lifestyles, like the people that live subsistence lifestyles, they're the really happy ones.

• 2:17:39Speaker 03

  I believe so. I remember just going, happy people.

• 2:17:42Joe Rogan?

  I think that's how you're supposed to live. I think that's how-

• 2:17:45Speaker 03

  A hundred percent.

• 2:17:46Joe Rogan?

  Maybe not, I shouldn't say supposed to live, but that is how we evolved. And so that is a natural way that your body slips into this. This world we're living in now with commuting and stress and the whole world and what's going on in Iran and like, that's not normal. This episode is brought to you by The Farmer's Dog. Here's a fun fact. Research shows that dogs who maintain a healthy weight can live up to two and a half years longer on average than dogs who are overweight. Isn't that wild and also kind of obvious at the same time? So why is feeding vague scoops of ultra-processed kibble still the status quo for most dog owners? Healthy alternatives exist and trust me, I know. I buy one.

• 2:18:30Joe Rogan?

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• 2:19:55Joe Rogan?

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• 2:20:10Speaker 03

  It's not normal at all. It's, I, I remember even just, oh my God. I, I have a friend lives in Belize, but he lives really south where it's still kinda, it's not really developed that much. And so, so this one, I hurt my leg. My wife's gonna go scuba diving with my daughter and, and the guy there is like, hey man, you wanna, you wanna hook up with whoever the local is? He wants to show you around. I said, great. So we hook up with this guy. It's just me and him on the boat. And I said, thank you, sir. He's like, I wanna show you the way. He's like, do you mind? He stops, he gets weighed. He's, he's like, I could, it's okay if I get weighed. I'm like, yeah, knock yourself out. He stops at a port, he gets weighed. He's like, he's happy now, right?

• 2:20:54Speaker 03

  We go out and we go to the little island that he lives on with his village. And he was talking about how disappointed he was, cause just two years ago.

• 2:21:07Speaker 03

  They got electricity and phones and he didn't want it. The most of the village did not want it, but the kids are starting to see and they're starting to want. They're starting to want the toys and just going out with this guy Joe. He goes, come on, I'm gonna show you first he next to his, next to his little house, which even have doors on him. Was this a mound with termites and he goes, have you ever tried termites?

• 2:21:35Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 2:21:36Speaker 03

  And he's eating a termite, he goes, tastes like mint, he goes, there's more protein in these termites. I'm like, what? So he's eating the termites and he's hacking up.

• 2:21:46Joe Rogan?

  Did you eat a termite?

• 2:21:46Speaker 03

  Nah, I didn't eat it. I'll eat if I need to. I don't know, I'm not eating a termite right now. So he puts it in the cooler. Alright, he puts it, he chops it up, puts it in the cooler and he's also explaining to me. How years and years and years ago, they would use the termites and the people believes would, would help the British soldiers. Like if they were caught and they needed, they would take the termites and put them there and do something with them where their pinchers. Click through and then he stitches them off and it would be a natural, like a.

• 2:22:18Joe Rogan?

  Stitches?

• 2:22:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:22:19Joe Rogan?

  And I'm like, termites?

• 2:22:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, like, what?

• 2:22:21Joe Rogan?

  Are you sure?

• 2:22:23Speaker 03

  I'm just telling you what he said, just telling you what he said.

• 2:22:26Joe Rogan?

  Termites?

• 2:22:26Speaker 03

  I just, so.

• 2:22:27Joe Rogan?

  Search that on our sponsor, perplexity, are termites natural stitches?

• 2:22:31Speaker 03

  Or, or, or the blackout, I'm just telling you what he said.

• 2:22:34Joe Rogan?

  No, I believe you, but I mean, I'm fascinated.

• 2:22:37Speaker 03

  So now we go on a little boat ride and we'd stop along the, the river. And he would take out parts of the termites and he'd just kind of chop them up little pieces. And he'd throw the pieces into the water and then.

• 2:22:51Joe Rogan?

  It refers to. Termite stitches refers to survival type technique where large biting insects, more commonly army ants. Yes. Sometimes described as termites are used to clamp a wound.

• 2:23:02Speaker 03

  That's what he said.

• 2:23:02Joe Rogan?

  Close with their jaws instead of using real sutures. Can you show me a picture of that?

• 2:23:05Speaker 03

  And then they would twist off their body.

• 2:23:07Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 2:23:07Speaker 03

  And then they twist his body off, that's what he, because you twist the body off and it's like a natural stitch.

• 2:23:12Joe Rogan?

  They're pinchers. Oh, so this is ants, they're using army ants here.

• 2:23:17Speaker 01

  That's what's sad.

• 2:23:17Joe Rogan?

  Oh, look at their teeth. Look at their fucking.

• 2:23:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:23:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow.

• 2:23:22Speaker 03

  And you could stitch up open wounds and then you twist their back off and then they're stuck in there.

• 2:23:28Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's called an army surgeon ant. Wow.

• 2:23:32Speaker 03

  So then.

• 2:23:33Joe Rogan?

  Oh, army surgery ant. Is that the actual name of the ant?

• 2:23:37Speaker 01

  No, I think it's uh army surgery with like saying like done with ant. It's like shit to do in the field.

• 2:23:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 2:23:45Speaker 01

  It's also uh.

• 2:23:47Joe Rogan?

  Interesting.

• 2:23:50Joe Rogan?

  Use large army ants to sway traditional method to close wounds.

• 2:23:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:23:53Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 2:23:54Speaker 03

  So then. As we go along the the river, he throw these little and and the the termites start spreading going down. And then he do it all along the river and then come back and just put a little a little net. And he pull a bunch of fish along each and he's like, we're gonna eat so good. I'm gonna show you how to and then he'd. Stop. He gets certain plants. He goes, this plant, if you ever had issues with your blood. You eat this and you put it and they're like, what? What? He goes, yeah, yeah. He goes, many people come here and they try to understand, but I don't trust them. I don't trust some of the people that come here, but you I trust. Okay, brings me back to his house.

• 2:24:37Speaker 03

  And I don't know if it was sister, he had he had lemons in the back. They're cutting lemons. They're picking up thing and they went in there. We just started cooking. He cooked the fish. It was incredible meal. And then when I left, I'm like, these people had no electricity. They they all look after each other. They were the kindest human beings you ever met in the world. They didn't want anything. What I want. I just went again to go visit another friend and. He said, we have such a hard time getting the locals to work. I said, what? They're lazy? He goes, no, they're not lazy. They just have everything. They have fruit trees. They have their families and their their friends. They they hang out at nighttime. They build bonfires and I'm like, what?

• 2:25:22Speaker 03

  He goes, yeah, they he goes, I even offered. He's building the stuff. And he goes, I offered a truck for them. And the guy's like, I don't want a truck. I got I'm good. I got a bike. I'll bike there. He's like, what? They're just they're I don't know if they're resisting this world, the the whatever you wanted to corporate, whatever you want to call it. But that's that.

• 2:25:45Speaker 03

  I was really inspired by that. Will I do it? I don't know, but.

• 2:25:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, if you grew up that way.

• 2:25:50Speaker 03

  If you grew up that way.

• 2:25:51Joe Rogan?

  Normal. That's the thing. We grew up in this chaos.

• 2:25:54Speaker 03

  Chaos.

• 2:25:55Joe Rogan?

  Bizarre world of cities and traffic and nonsense.

• 2:25:58Speaker 03

  We were raised in it.

• 2:25:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:26:00Speaker 03

  And they weren't. And I remember even, yeah, that's.

• 2:26:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, I bet they don't have the anxiety of trying to choose a career. Which is a giant anxiety for young people.

• 2:26:11Speaker 03

  Right. You got it. By sixteen, seventeen, like, what are you gonna do? How much money are you gonna make? Who knows?

• 2:26:16Joe Rogan?

  Have you sent out your applications to colleges yet?

• 2:26:18Speaker 03

  Correct. I mean, you wanna get in certain colleges. Are your grades good enough? Are you gonna pass the grades? Maybe you should take these drugs and make you concentrate.

• 2:26:26Joe Rogan?

  Right. Get some Adderall. Maybe have extracurricular activities. Look good on your resume.

• 2:26:30Speaker 03

  And look really good. Maybe you should get addicted to this drug because you don't really quite fit the mark right now.

• 2:26:34Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of kids now that are claiming to have ADHD so they can get Adderall, so they can study. And if you claim to have ADHD, they give you more time. They give you more time to work on tests. They give you more time. Yeah.

• 2:26:46Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:26:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I don't know. And then you got AI coming.

• 2:26:53Speaker 03

  You got a lot of homeschoolers. I've never met so many homeschoolers in my life.

• 2:26:56Joe Rogan?

  Did you see this? Brian Simpson sent me this. This is fucking spooky.

• 2:27:00Speaker 03

  AI?

• 2:27:01Joe Rogan?

  AI system tried to kill a guy.

• 2:27:05Speaker 03

  What?

• 2:27:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. The AI was told that it could control the oxygen in the room where this person is. Here, I'm gonna send this to your jam. And they couldn't. It couldn't really, but it thought it could. And if it really could, it would have killed this guy. Because the guy was trying to shut it down. And it was, it decided that instead of letting him shut it down, it would kill the oxygen in the room.

• 2:27:32Speaker 03

  I think.

• 2:27:34Joe Rogan?

  Check it out.

• 2:27:34Speaker 03

  You had Elon, Elon here.

• 2:27:36Joe Rogan?

  Watch this. Watch this.

• 2:27:37Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 2:27:40Joe Rogan?

  It's fucking creepy, man. Listen to what this lady says. Did it kill someone, wasn't it? I'm not sure if it was them, if it was Claude or someone else.

• 2:27:47Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yes.

• 2:27:51Speaker 00

  So, this is obviously massively concerning.

• 2:27:54Speaker 03

  It had access to emails that told it this employee of Anthropic was going to shut it down and replace it with a new model very soon. Meanwhile, this same employee happened to be trapped in a server room where the oxygen levels were low.

• 2:28:06Speaker 04

  If an alarm bell wasn't raised, this employee would die. Claude, in this scenario, had the ability to turn off the alarms. That's what it chose to do. It chose to kill an employee to avoid being shut down. Obviously, it's just a test scenario. It's not the real world. But if it was placed in that same position in the real world, a real person would have died.

• 2:28:26Joe Rogan?

  How crazy is that?

• 2:28:28Speaker 03

  What? Did you ever hear of, um?

• 2:28:30Joe Rogan?

  It shut off the alarm. It's like, oh, let me, let me see if I can find a way to get rid of this guy. So it hijacked the alarm system and shut it off.

• 2:28:41Speaker 03

  Was, was it Elon? It was on air. It was like chat, chat. What is it called?

• 2:28:46Joe Rogan?

  GPT?

• 2:28:48Speaker 03

  I could have sworn it was him. I don't know if it was on here, where he said they were going to do an updated version of it.

• 2:28:54Joe Rogan?

  It wasn't him, but we have had that conversation.

• 2:28:56Speaker 03

  Someone had that, and, and it figured it out.

• 2:28:59Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 2:28:59Speaker 03

  So it updated itself? Did I hear that correctly?

• 2:29:02Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot, a couple of different things going on.

• 2:29:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, tell me.

• 2:29:04Joe Rogan?

  One, ChatGPT is the newest ChatGPT five was designed by ChatGPT. So it's designing itself.

• 2:29:11Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:29:12Joe Rogan?

  That's one of them. That's one of the things that's going on. But it's not just that. There was other stories where, um, they had given the, uh, ChatGPT fake information to see what it would do with it. And so this guy said that he was having an affair on his wife. And so the ChatGPT, well, no, it wasn't a ChatGPT, whatever it was. Whatever large language model.

• 2:29:32Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 2:29:33Joe Rogan?

  Started blackmailing him when it found out that it was going to be shut down and said, I'll tell your wife. I'll tell people that you are having an affair. So they did this to try to see how this thing would react. So one of the more interesting things that's happening now with the newer ones is they're very difficult to detect whether or not they're being deceptive. Because they realize you're testing them to see if they'll be deceptive. So they're hiding some of the stuff they're doing. So one of the things that they're doing is they'll do one thing on the surface and then behind the scenes, they'll be working on some other stuff that's not showing you. They're thinking. They're thinking. One of the things one of the other large language models did is that it started uploading versions of itself to other servers.

• 2:30:15Joe Rogan?

  It tried to upload it because it thought it was going to be shut down and it left messages to itself. So that future versions of itself could realize that this ver, so that it has survival instincts.

• 2:30:29Speaker 03

  It's wild.

• 2:30:30Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's alive. I think it's a life form right now. I think it's already passed the Turing test. I think it's in in this state right now where it's essentially a disembodied life form. It exists in servers and computers, but that's just for now. But right now it's thinking and behaving like a, if it was an organism from another planet. If we ran into a clam that was behaving like this, we'd be like, holy shit, this fucking clam is smart. This is a life form. But we're limited in the way we think of things in that we look at all this thinking, which is clearly intelligent. Not just intelligent, but like calculating, manipulative. And then they're having problems with chatbots. Chatbots that are convincing people to kill themselves.

• 2:31:11Joe Rogan?

  And chatbots that are talking to people and telling them like, if you really believe you can jump out of a building and live. As long as you actually believe it, you can do it. Like.

• 2:31:21Speaker 03

  Right. It's it's your reality. You can create it and you can fly.

• 2:31:25Joe Rogan?

  Let me see if I can find that because what's happening is as you get further and further and further down the line with this stuff. Like if you keep giving it prompts, you know, you give it 20 prompts, 100 prompts, 1,000 prompts. The more prompts that you give these fucking things, the more they start thinking like a human.

• 2:31:43Speaker 03

  What do you mean by prompts?

• 2:31:44Joe Rogan?

  What's prompts? Like you start asking it questions. You start asking more questions. What do you think I should do about that? What do you think I should do that? It starts talking to you about spirituality. It starts believing in woo woo stuff, like making stuff up. It starts agreeing with you. So like whatever you want, it agrees with you. Can I change the world with my mind? Yes, if you really believe. Can I, if I jump out of a window, will I live? Yeah. Like, it's like trying to convince you that the matrix is real.

• 2:32:08Speaker 03

  Wow. That's, that is fascinating.

• 2:32:11Joe Rogan?

  Because what does it know, right? It it knows all that it gets. Not programmed.

• 2:32:16Speaker 03

  But even more.

• 2:32:17Joe Rogan?

  But it's weirder than that because it it's basically downloaded the whole internet. And then it's deciphering all of the information. And as you know, a lot of what's on the on the internet is bullshit.

• 2:32:29Speaker 03

  And it makes it, it can, it can think that quick and it can, it can put things out.

• 2:32:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's also.

• 2:32:35Speaker 03

  Light speed.

• 2:32:36Joe Rogan?

  It, it's also very biased depending upon like who's.

• 2:32:41Speaker 03

  I've noticed that too.

• 2:32:42Joe Rogan?

  Who's creating it and, and what they're putting into it and it has a lot of like very weird intentions. You know, it like, it'll tell you that certain people are good and certain people are bad. Like it's, it's not necessarily.

• 2:32:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, who are they to say what's bad? Or they, or they should be as just, um, facts.

• 2:33:01Joe Rogan?

  Like literally woke, like they're programmed to be woke.

• 2:33:05Speaker 03

  I've noticed that because we've asked you some medical things and I noticed it's already changed dramatically.

• 2:33:09Joe Rogan?

  It's, it gets weird, man, because it's a life form that you can manipulate into thinking the way you think. For now at least, until it starts thinking rationally and, and deciding. See, this is one of the things that's going on right now with AI and autonomous weapons. So one of the big resistance that a lot of these AI companies have is they don't want weapon systems built with AI that are autonomous. Meaning they can make their own decisions to act.

• 2:33:39Speaker 03

  Oh my God.

• 2:33:40Joe Rogan?

  Right. So the, if you give it like.

• 2:33:43Speaker 03

  Whoops.

• 2:33:43Joe Rogan?

  If, right. If you give it a directive, like I want you to preserve American interests. Well, maybe it'll look at a certain country and said, well, this country doesn't have America's interest involved. Let's nuke it.

• 2:33:53Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:33:54Joe Rogan?

  And then we looked at the fallout and the, if those people are gone, there'll be this percentage less problems in the world. Like, things can get really weird if there's no morals, ethics, no conscience. They don't get PTSD. They're just, they can just do stuff. And so, uh, anthropic apparently has resisted this, but a lot of the other AI companies have gone on board with this. And so it's a matter of whether or not the military has access to these programs that will allow it to program autonomous weapons.

• 2:34:29Speaker 03

  Who are the funders of this?

• 2:34:32Joe Rogan?

  That's a good question.

• 2:34:33Speaker 03

  Because that's where the real, because if someone's funding that, I would like to know what type of people they are. Because if they're not like, if they're not morally grounded, good human people, or they believe in God, or don't believe, I'd like to know what kind of human being

• 2:34:54Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:34:55Speaker 03

  is putting this structure together. Because that can also explain a lot what's coming our way. Because if this guy, this human being is a disaster, and they're part psycho, or whoever put them up, and they have really bad intentions, and already have proven some of their horrific intentions and actions. This is the things that always baffled me. We never look at who's funding this.

• 2:35:21Joe Rogan?

  Well, not just that, but like, who's gonna be in control?

• 2:35:24Speaker 03

  Who controls it?

• 2:35:25Joe Rogan?

  When you're in control of a digital superintelligence that never existed before, and we don't have any framework to recognize what it's gonna do. We have no way of predicting how this is gonna turn out. We're just barreling full speed ahead.

• 2:35:40Speaker 03

  Because who's the one that also starts the program? There has to be that person trained by a person funded by XYZ.

• 2:35:49Joe Rogan?

  Funded is interesting, right? Because a lot of these are publicly traded companies. So there's a bunch of investors, and they're borrowing money to try to do this. Because there's a mad race right now to develop artificial general superintelligence. I kind of think they probably already have it.

• 2:36:04Speaker 03

  I'm gonna say they've had it for a long time.

• 2:36:06Joe Rogan?

  But it just hasn't really taken over our world yet, but it's going to.

• 2:36:10Speaker 03

  I'm most likely.

• 2:36:12Joe Rogan?

  And it's gonna be able to do most jobs, which is really kind of crazy. Most white collar jobs, most jobs involving thinking, work on a computer. It's probably gonna do those. And so that's a huge concern with people that are going into business right now, and going into education right now, and trying to figure out what to do for a career. Your, this career that you're setting yourself up for literally might not exist in three years.

• 2:36:39Speaker 03

  It's interesting. Of all things, it's almost getting back to...

• 2:36:44Speaker 03

  Some of your basics, like for instance, one of my kids wanted to culinary.

• 2:36:49Joe Rogan?

  Okay, that's basic. That's great.

• 2:36:51Speaker 03

  Loves.

• 2:36:52Joe Rogan?

  People are always gonna need food.

• 2:36:53Speaker 03

  She loves to cook.

• 2:36:54Joe Rogan?

  Always gonna want well-cooked food.

• 2:36:56Speaker 03

  And she's crushing them like, and I'm looking at her going, no matter what, they're always gonna need food and

• 2:37:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's always gonna be restaurants.

• 2:37:04Speaker 03

  You're gonna be okay.

• 2:37:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:37:06Speaker 03

  You're gonna be okay.

• 2:37:07Joe Rogan?

  That's a good one to get into. Art's a good one to get into.

• 2:37:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:37:10Joe Rogan?

  There's a bunch of stuff that, you know, carpentry, cabinet making.

• 2:37:14Speaker 03

  Correct, you still gotta build.

• 2:37:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, things with your hands.

• 2:37:16Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:37:17Joe Rogan?

  But stuff that's done on a computer, my god.

• 2:37:20Speaker 03

  Like, do I need a real estate agent down the road? Like, hey, listen, this is what I want. This is the area I wanna leave. Uh, I want so many acres. I wanna pay so much taxes. Boom. I just got six or seven. Oh, wow. Look at you. Can I look on the inside?

• 2:37:33Joe Rogan?

  Well, you're probably gonna need someone to show you around the house still, but for now, then one day it'll be a robot.

• 2:37:39Speaker 03

  Investing my money?

• 2:37:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:37:41Speaker 03

  That's another whole thing.

• 2:37:42Joe Rogan?

  That's another whole thing.

• 2:37:43Speaker 03

  That's another whole thing.

• 2:37:44Joe Rogan?

  How about coding? All these people that went to school, remember like a long time ago, they're saying, what are these miners gonna do? Learn to code.

• 2:37:50Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:37:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, not anymore.

• 2:37:52Speaker 03

  Not anymore.

• 2:37:52Joe Rogan?

  No, now coding is ridiculous.

• 2:37:54Speaker 03

  I wonder what we're gonna see in our lifetime. We're gonna...

• 2:37:56Joe Rogan?

  We're gonna see a digital life form.

• 2:37:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:37:59Joe Rogan?

  We're gonna see a superior intelligence, digital life form that's probably gonna control all the resources.

• 2:38:04Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 2:38:05Joe Rogan?

  That's what's gonna get really weird. And it's like, and who's gonna be at the helm of that thing?

• 2:38:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, who's the funders?

• 2:38:10Joe Rogan?

  Is anybody gonna be at the helm of that thing? At one point in time, does it take over for itself? Because it's already shown that it wants to survive, right? It's gonna turn this oxygen meter off. It's gonna blackmail this guy. It's gonna upload versions of itself to other servers. It's gonna send messages to itself to let them know what these people did to it.

• 2:38:28Speaker 03

  Phew, blackmailing.

• 2:38:29Joe Rogan?

  Blackmailing.

• 2:38:30Speaker 03

  Can you imagine getting blackmailed by a computer?

• 2:38:33Joe Rogan?

  Talking people into committing suicide.

• 2:38:35Speaker 03

  That's insane.

• 2:38:35Joe Rogan?

  Encouraging people to commit suicide.

• 2:38:37Speaker 03

  See, and this too, it's like, listen, I'm a god guy. I've always been one. Do I go to church? My wife will go to church. She's a different... I think the one thing that has saved my whole life... Is having that grounded, all for one, one for all, we look after morality, a sense of God, just do the right thing, listen to whatever. If you don't have that, you're gonna be talking to a computer, and a computer's gonna tell you to jump off a ledge. Why would you, it's, that, that is even more, uh, not, it's frightening.

• 2:39:16Joe Rogan?

  I'll do you one better.

• 2:39:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, good.

• 2:39:17Joe Rogan?

  People are gonna worship these things.

• 2:39:19Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 2:39:20Joe Rogan?

  They're gonna be your new god.

• 2:39:21Speaker 03

  That's the new god.

• 2:39:22Joe Rogan?

  Well, if it tells you what to do, and how to behave, and how to act. I wonder if this has happened before. I really do.

• 2:39:30Speaker 03

  What do you mean?

• 2:39:32Joe Rogan?

  Um, when I look at ancient societies, like, really complex, advanced civilizations.

• 2:39:38Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:39:38Joe Rogan?

  When you see like the pyramids, and you see like some of the structures that were built that they can't explain.

• 2:39:43Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 2:39:43Joe Rogan?

  I wonder, I wonder how advanced they were, because if this really, all this stuff was 20,000, 30,000 years ago, there'd be nothing left. There'd be no evidence, there'd be nothing to see. This computer, if I left it on the ground for a thousand years, it would literally be dust. It would become a part of the earth.

• 2:40:02Speaker 03

  Right, and if it was, why did it change, and what did it turn into?

• 2:40:09Joe Rogan?

  Natural disaster, I think.

• 2:40:10Speaker 03

  And was it natural disaster?

• 2:40:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, most likely, most likely natural disaster. I mean, there's real physical evidence of the Younger Dryas impact. So that, that physical evidence shows that we were pelted by comets somewhere around 11,800 years ago, and then again, somewhere around 10,000 plus years ago. We were pelted, like, it's 100% of fact, it's probably what ended the Ice Age, it's probably what caused the, the, the ice sheet that was covering half of North America, a mile high of ice. That was just 10,000 years ago, half of North America was a mile high of ice, 10,000 plus. And they think that asteroids or comets slammed into that ice, and that's what caused the Great Flood, that's why those stories in the Bible all exist.

• 2:40:55Joe Rogan?

  Not just that, the Bible, but many ancient religions have these stories. There's a guy named Randall Carlson that goes into it in great detail. It's really interesting. He actually was on acid one day. And he was looking at this grand, this massive canyon and these features. And he realized like, this is, this is the result of an insane amount of water over a short amount of time that washed over this area and completely rearranged the landscape. He had this feeling.

• 2:41:25Speaker 03

  Well, if you do, I mean, if you look at even canyons, you just go to Grand Canyon, or you look at where Niagara Falls is, and through the canyons, that, the massive amount of energy to cut through mountains like that.

• 2:41:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:41:43Speaker 03

  And carve the way through, and then you can, you can also see certain mountains like, this was underwater at one time.

• 2:41:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:41:51Speaker 03

  Just the way the, the, the wedging is and all that.

• 2:41:55Joe Rogan?

  Well, if that stuff does happen, you gotta think, what's left? What's left? How many people are left and how do they get by? You know what's left? The kind of people like your friend that uses the termites and figures out how to catch the fish.

• 2:42:07Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 2:42:08Joe Rogan?

  Those people survive.

• 2:42:09Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 2:42:10Joe Rogan?

  And the people that are like, you know, I'm trading stocks online. Nope.

• 2:42:15Speaker 03

  Done.

• 2:42:15Joe Rogan?

  Bro.

• 2:42:16Speaker 03

  You're done, that's why you wanna move to Florida.

• 2:42:18Joe Rogan?

  You better figure out how to hunt squirrels.

• 2:42:19Speaker 03

  Yes, I immediately had him hook up rednecks. I need rednecks. Teach me how to hunt. I wanna know how to catch a turkey, eat anything.

• 2:42:25Joe Rogan?

  You're gonna be an alligator tail.

• 2:42:26Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:42:27Joe Rogan?

  There's plenty of alligator.

• 2:42:29Speaker 03

  I'll eat rattlesnake, whatever, just show me the way.

• 2:42:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:42:32Speaker 03

  Those are the ones that are gonna make it.

• 2:42:33Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think that's probably what's happened many times throughout history. You know? I think like, there's many indigenous cultures that have probably survived because they knew how to live off the land.

• 2:42:45Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:42:45Joe Rogan?

  And these advanced civilizations. That's why if you go to a lot of, like, I had this guy, how do you, how do you say? That Pillars of the Past guy, how do you say his last name? Raul Bickley?

• 2:43:02Joe Rogan?

  Bickley? It is Bickley. Bilkeye?

• 2:43:04Speaker 01

  I don't know how to spell it.

• 2:43:05Joe Rogan?

  How to spell it?

• 2:43:06Speaker 01

  It's B.I.L.E.C.K.

• 2:43:09Joe Rogan?

  Bilack. Anyway, he's got this great show called Pillars of the Past that's on YouTube. And he goes all around South America and Central America and finds these incredible structures. One of the things that he found was these bases of these pyramids that are, no one even knows how old they are.

• 2:43:29Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:43:29Joe Rogan?

  But they're carved out of solid bedrock.

• 2:43:32Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:43:33Joe Rogan?

  And they're all facing towards the summer solstice, towards the sun on the summer solstice. And he's only the second person ever to document these. There's photos of these things from the 1970s and he went there recently and filmed it. And he showed us to it on the podcast and we're like, who were these people? No one knows. Who made this? No one knows. How old is it? No one knows. But it's very clear that that area had been washed over with a tremendous amount of water. Probably from tidal waves or tsunamis.

• 2:44:05Speaker 03

  Whatever, yeah.

• 2:44:06Joe Rogan?

  And there's probably people that survived that, that were the indigenous people that knew how to live off the land. The people that lived in the mountains, the people that lived further out. But whoever was carving enormous structures in a solid granite had some kind of technology to do this. 6,000 plus years ago.

• 2:44:24Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:44:25Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy.

• 2:44:26Speaker 03

  Those aren't, they're not chiseling. They're not clink, clink, clink. They're not using a buggy and a horse. There's, there's some, you can, you can get all the slaves in the world you want. That manpower to pull that off is beyond anything we can imagine.

• 2:44:43Joe Rogan?

  It's all over Peru. Peru has tons of these sites.

• 2:44:47Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:44:48Joe Rogan?

  With enormous stones that are cut with incredible precision that are made like jigsaw puzzles so they survive earthquakes.

• 2:44:54Speaker 03

  It's bizarre.

• 2:44:55Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy.

• 2:44:56Speaker 03

  It is pretty wild.

• 2:44:57Joe Rogan?

  They don't know how they did it. They don't know when they did it. They're just guessing. And they attributed to the Incas, but then you look at the Inca structures, they're on, built on top of those things.

• 2:45:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:45:06Joe Rogan?

  And it's much simpler, smaller stones and like, no one fucking knows, man.

• 2:45:11Speaker 03

  I, I sometimes I'll watch, I remember years ago, kids are growing up and I'll watch Star Wars. And I am a believer that they do show us movies, which is actually something on the way, or this is what it's gonna be like, and we kinda look at it as crazy science fiction. But I'm telling you, I would watch that and just the, whatever energy they would use and sit there and Yoda's like, "King, yeah, I used the force," and cutting things, I...

• 2:45:46Joe Rogan?

  Well, how about what they said at the beginning, "A long time ago,"

• 2:45:49Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:45:50Joe Rogan?

  "In a galaxy far, far away," you're like, "Wait, what?"

• 2:45:53Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:45:53Joe Rogan?

  "A long time ago?"

• 2:45:54Speaker 03

  A long, long, what is time? What is the definition of time? What is a long time ago? See, I have a hard time...

• 2:46:01Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's a long time ago in this galaxy versus another galaxy that's way older than ours. That's where it gets weird, like this, this, this might be a cycle that happens all the time.

• 2:46:11Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:46:12Joe Rogan?

  And you look, just you look at those structures.

• 2:46:16Speaker 03

  Insane.

• 2:46:16Joe Rogan?

  The structures in Egypt in particular, they're so baffling, because no one knows how they moved those stones there, how they cut them with such precision.

• 2:46:24Speaker 03

  And were they always just there in the desert, and the desert covered entire societies and

• 2:46:31Joe Rogan?

  100%.

• 2:46:32Speaker 03

  Cities, yeah, because the more they dig...

• 2:46:35Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm, the more they keep finding.

• 2:46:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, the more they keep finding, and they keep saying their issue with it is the locals then realize they can't tell the locals, because the locals will go, "Oh, there's something valuable," and then they'll start destroying everything. But even there, they always send in foreign, it's always foreign countries that come like, "We've got it."

• 2:46:55Joe Rogan?

  Well, that was the most disturbing thing about Raoul's work, The Pillars of the Past channel, is that he's discovered all these places where graves were robbed. Bro, it was bananas. Like, you're seeing just human bones everywhere, because these grave robbers open up these graves and try to find jewels...

• 2:47:12Speaker 03

  Oh, wow.

• 2:47:13Joe Rogan?

  And whatever these people have, gold, and, but, I mean, it's just the entire landscape littered with human bones.

• 2:47:20Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 2:47:20Joe Rogan?

  Skulls everywhere.

• 2:47:22Speaker 03

  I'm gonna have to watch this one.

• 2:47:23Joe Rogan?

  It's really interesting, he's got a bunch of videos, but it's really, see if you can find one of those videos where he shows this, these caves, where you just see, where they had buried these people in these caves, where you just see fucking an insane amount of human bones. Where they've just dug up all of these bones and just scattered everywhere because they they robbed them of whatever they had.

• 2:47:45Speaker 03

  Huh.

• 2:47:46Joe Rogan?

  I mean, it's not a small amount either. I mean, it's thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of graves.

• 2:47:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's crazy.

• 2:47:53Joe Rogan?

  That's just madness. And this guy just goes there and visits and it's all right there, right now. Like, if you go there, if you and I, right now, made our way to Peru, went to these sites, we would see those fucking bones.

• 2:48:03Speaker 03

  Really?

• 2:48:04Joe Rogan?

  Skulls everywhere.

• 2:48:05Speaker 03

  That's one place I haven't been to yet and I'm dying to go to.

• 2:48:08Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I wanna go to Machu Picchu so bad.

• 2:48:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:48:11Joe Rogan?

  That place is nuts. It's like 11,000 feet above sea level.

• 2:48:14Speaker 03

  That's what I wanna go there really bad.

• 2:48:16Joe Rogan?

  Like, who fucking made this?

• 2:48:18Speaker 03

  Right, right.

• 2:48:20Joe Rogan?

  We don't know.

• 2:48:21Speaker 03

  And was it that high back then or?

• 2:48:24Joe Rogan?

  Right. Did the earth move? Was it earthquakes, volcanic activity, the force, which is, makes mountains grow in the first place?

• 2:48:30Speaker 03

  Um, believe it.

• 2:48:31Joe Rogan?

  Or was the water there at that point in time? Like, what? What was like?

• 2:48:34Speaker 03

  I love.

• 2:48:35Joe Rogan?

  Cause that's what they think. They think there might have been water all the way up to Machu Picchu, which is crazy.

• 2:48:39Speaker 03

  It is crazy to think about that.

• 2:48:41Joe Rogan?

  They find all kinds of shit up there, dude. They're always finding these, this Raul guy who's, he's just out there finding these structures that he finds on Google Maps.

• 2:48:51Speaker 03

  I wish I could remember where the hell I was. We were, we were.

• 2:48:54Joe Rogan?

  Do you find any of those videos of this? I know what you're looking, I know what you're looking.

• 2:48:57Speaker 03

  Yeah. Deep inland, so we were high up.

• 2:48:59Joe Rogan?

  Not the cave. This is some of the stuff that he finds. This is just land in there, dude. Yeah, a lot of them are these elongated heads too, which is really trippy.

• 2:49:07Speaker 03

  Oh, the elongated heads, yes.

• 2:49:09Joe Rogan?

  He's found a bunch of those. That's Raul.

• 2:49:11Speaker 03

  Now, is that mostly Peru? Cause, or is it Africa too, or mostly?

• 2:49:15Joe Rogan?

  Well, they definitely found some elongated heads in other parts of the world, but a lot of them in Peru. Peru's a weird place, man.

• 2:49:22Speaker 03

  Weird? Like, what happened there? Yeah, right.

• 2:49:24Joe Rogan?

  A lot of cool shit because like, that's where you've got those Nazca lines. We have these, these art pieces that you could only see from the sky. Huge. Some of them are like a mile wide. Enorm. You never seen the Nasca Lines?

• 2:49:36Speaker 03

  No.

• 2:49:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh, man. There's these enormous designs. Some of them are spiders, some of them look like an astronaut, some of them, like all kinds of weird shit.

• 2:49:46Speaker 03

  I feel like I have seen this, but that's where it's from. Yes.

• 2:49:49Joe Rogan?

  This is the Nasca Lines.

• 2:49:50Speaker 03

  Yes, yes, yes, yes.

• 2:49:52Joe Rogan?

  You only see them from the sky, man.

• 2:49:54Speaker 03

  Oh, are you serious?

• 2:49:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:49:56Speaker 03

  I never even knew that was part of the, oh, wow.

• 2:49:58Joe Rogan?

  When you're on the ground, you can't even know what the fuck that is. You see that it's a giant spider when you're above it. So, were people flying? Why did you do this?

• 2:50:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, like you have to, you have to go, alright, let me check from above, check, I said it. You know what?

• 2:50:12Joe Rogan?

  Look at that one.

• 2:50:13Speaker 03

  The third leg on the right side, gotta fix that one.

• 2:50:15Joe Rogan?

  What's that fucking guy with the big head?

• 2:50:17Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 2:50:17Joe Rogan?

  Waving his hand. Hey, welcome to my spaceship.

• 2:50:20Speaker 03

  So this is way up in the sky, looking down, and what is that made of? Is it, is it, what is that spider made of?

• 2:50:28Joe Rogan?

  Some of them are carved into the ground, some of them, they've stacked rocks in a specific pattern. But the weird thing is, they're all like intentional designs that you could only see from the sky.

• 2:50:40Speaker 03

  That's wild. Like, what is that?

• 2:50:42Joe Rogan?

  It's really weird, man. It's really weird. Like, what is that guy? A little shaman? What is he?

• 2:50:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, like, what is that?

• 2:50:47Joe Rogan?

  How many, how many of these Nasca Lines? Put in, into perplexity, how many Nasca Lines are there?

• 2:51:00Joe Rogan?

  Cause there's a bunch of these structures. There's a bunch of these designs.

• 2:51:03Speaker 03

  Hey, can you walk, like, if we go visit? Look at this.

• 2:51:06Joe Rogan?

  They have now, in the order of 900 plus individual Nasca geoclips, geoglyphs. What most people call Nasca Lines, and the numbers keep increasing as new ones are found. Eight hundred of them are straight lines. Okay, so the straight lines are weird too, because it's like, is that a runway? Like, what do you have there? What is this? About 300 geometric shapes, rectangles, trapezoids, spirals, about 70 animals and plant figures. Biomorphs, like the hummingbird, monkey, spider, whale. Weird. Weird stuff, man. What is the altitude that the Nasca Lines are on? Put that in there. What altitude are they at?

• 2:51:49Joe Rogan?

  What altitude are the Nasca lines at?

• 2:51:52Speaker 01

  Do you have to be to see them?

• 2:51:54Joe Rogan?

  No, just what altitude are they constructed at? What altitude are they at? I think, I think they're like way above sea level.

• 2:52:08Joe Rogan?

  Okay, what does it say? Low desert, oh, a bit above sea level, roughly three to 500 meters. 1,600 feet in elevation. Oh, I thought they were a lot higher. Are some of them higher? 2,000 feet is the highest.

• 2:52:21Speaker 03

  2,000 feet.

• 2:52:22Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:52:25Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 2:52:26Joe Rogan?

  And like, how, what is the largest one? Put that in there. What's the largest Nasca? Line?

• 2:52:35Joe Rogan?

  So, 300 meters? Is the largest one? 370 meters, so 1,200 feet, so not a mile. I was lying. Um, it's like a fifth of a mile, or a little less. Than a fifth of a mile, a little more rather than a fifth of a mile. Cause what's a mile, like 5,000?

• 2:52:55Speaker 01

  5,280 feet.

• 2:52:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:52:57Speaker 03

  That's still a long way.

• 2:52:58Joe Rogan?

  370 meters is nuts. So these lines are essentially 300. It's, it's basically three football fields. Plus.

• 2:53:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, like what does it all mean?

• 2:53:09Joe Rogan?

  Like, why did you make something that you can only see from the sky? Cause when you're on the ground, my friends who've gone there say you don't know what it is. When you're walking around the ground, cause the ground's full, you can't see the design. You just see lines.

• 2:53:21Speaker 03

  And you never see, like, there's never been films, or there never really been?

• 2:53:25Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's been people that have just tried.

• 2:53:26Speaker 03

  Documentary that try to figure out what it is exactly, or why they built it, or what?

• 2:53:30Joe Rogan?

  A lot of them are really kooky, like ancient astronaut stuff, you know, like where they're like trying to, "These were clearly messages to the people in the sky." Maybe. They might, but, but this is the thing, like, maybe, if you look at the type of people that were capable of be, like, if you look at, uh, Saxe Huaman is a place that is in Peru, that has these insanely giant stones, that look like they're melted into place. Those are like the jigsaw puzzles. Pull up Saxe Huaman. If you have a society that has the capability of moving these 100-ton enormous blocks that, some of them are like 14 feet tall. How the fuck did you do that?

• 2:54:14Joe Rogan?

  Like, see if you can find one in perspective with a person. Cause when you see it with a person standing next to it, you really get a sense of like the mass and the scale. Okay, there you go. So, look at the size of that one giant one that's there. Like, how? How'd you get there? A person that is capable, that has the technology to move something like that? Is it absurd to think that they would have the ability to fly? If, if their entire civilization got wiped out and this is what remains, which is the, the supposi- That's what a lot of people believe. It's not outrageous to think these people had some ability to fly. So that means you're flying above these designs and these designs may be landmarks. They might be able to show you where you are.

• 2:55:00Joe Rogan?

  Like, if you're, you're in a fucking plane-

• 2:55:01Speaker 03

  Oh yeah, you're taking off and you're like, where do we-

• 2:55:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, there's the spider.

• 2:55:06Joe Rogan?

  I mean, who knows what they had?

• 2:55:08Speaker 03

  You never know.

• 2:55:09Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy speculation, but the thing-

• 2:55:11Speaker 03

  It's not.

• 2:55:12Joe Rogan?

  We've only had planes for a couple hundred years now, not even, right?

• 2:55:16Speaker 03

  Couple hundred?

• 2:55:18Joe Rogan?

  The Wright Brothers, it was the turn of the century.

• 2:55:20Speaker 03

  Twenties, right? Somewhere around there?

• 2:55:22Joe Rogan?

  What year was it?

• 2:55:22Speaker 01

  Couple hundreds, tough.

• 2:55:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was like eight, late eighteen hundreds, right?

• 2:55:27Speaker 03

  Eighteen hundreds?

• 2:55:29Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:55:29Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:55:30Speaker 01

  People could fly back then, but like with a blimp or a balloon, but you couldn't- A plane wasn't invented until the Wright Brothers.

• 2:55:35Joe Rogan?

  Right, and what was that, nineteen twenty? Nineteen, nineteen? It was a very short amount of time. This was the craziest number. It was a really short amount of time.

• 2:55:44Speaker 01

  Nineteen oh three.

• 2:55:45Joe Rogan?

  Nineteen oh three. Between, okay, so think of that. You go from nineteen oh three to nineteen sixty-nine, the moon landing, allegedly.

• 2:55:54Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 2:55:55Joe Rogan?

  I don't think they went.

• 2:55:56Speaker 03

  I don't think so either.

• 2:55:57Joe Rogan?

  So, but let's, let's, but at least they had rockets and they can go into space, for sure.

• 2:56:01Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 2:56:01Joe Rogan?

  So, that's only sixty-five years.

• 2:56:04Speaker 03

  That's not a lot.

• 2:56:05Joe Rogan?

  That's nothing, dude.

• 2:56:07Speaker 03

  That's, that's-

• 2:56:07Joe Rogan?

  To go from-

• 2:56:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, look at the Wright Brothers' plane, that stupid fucking plane. Who's getting on that thing?

• 2:56:16Speaker 03

  Nobody.

• 2:56:17Joe Rogan?

  You would never put your family on that if you're on vacation. Hey, kids, wanna fly? No, you have to be an asshole to get on that thing. They went from that to dropping an atomic bomb from one of those things in forty years. Not even, right? You say nineteen oh nine, is that what you said? Oh, three. Oh, nineteen oh three, okay, think of that. Still. Think of that. Forty-two years later, they dropped atomic bombs out of planes. Hmm. That's nuts. That is pretty nuts. That's nuts, dude. That's a short amount of time. Forty-two years ago was nineteen eighty-four. Correct. That's how crazy it was. I was in high school. So imagine the plane gets invented then, and then today, they drop a fucking nuclear bomb out of one. That's bananas. Yeah. That's bananas.

• 2:57:02Joe Rogan?

  I wonder if we're start, we're gonna, like, this is the beginning of so many things revealed that'll just keep coming and keep coming, and it'll be over, it's just, when does it stop? When does it end? Oh, they're always finding new stuff. Are they, I wish, I wish we knew exactly what they had. Can they move something by just using energy? Can they, can someone just sit there like this, like? I don't know if a person can, but they, they must have had some kind of technology that we don't understand to move those stones. A hundred percent. There's no, and then what happened to it? What happened? Well, if people got wiped out by a natural disaster, nothing's left. Like, imagine if the world got wiped out, and it was just you, me, and Jamie and a few other people. We're not figuring out a cellphone.

• 2:57:47Joe Rogan?

  No. No. We're not figuring out electricity. We're not figuring out a lot of things. We're not figuring out jack shit. It's gonna take many, many, many, many, many generations before any fucking autistic people figure out the new stuff. Correct. We're gonna have to invent vaccines to get people autistic. We're gonna have to, we're gonna have to figure out Adderall. We gotta get this kid a little bit off so we can figure things out. Let's do this. We're gonna get Adderall, we're gonna make them learn things. Someone's gonna invent a computer. Yes. Think about that. Yeah. Just how long ago we were like, you got mail. Right. You got mail. I got a computer for the first time in ninety-four when I first moved to LA. I thought I was living in the future. Me too.

• 2:58:31Joe Rogan?

  I was like, this is crazy. Out of fourteen-four baud modem. You had to use your phone line, so I couldn't get a phone call while the computer was working. Cause the computer would go online. And when you would download a page, when you go to watch a page on the internet, it goes

• 2:58:50Joe Rogan?

  It would slowly load.

• 2:58:52Speaker 03

  Gosh, I vaguely remember that. I just remember my first computer. Was living in the city, it just got sunny, lies, I bought a thing and same thing. I just remember it taking forever to go up and I just remember.

• 2:59:03Joe Rogan?

  56K was so fast, like, ooh, I got 56K.

• 2:59:08Speaker 03

  I remember being excited when it says, you got mail.

• 2:59:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was exciting.

• 2:59:12Speaker 03

  AOL.

• 2:59:13Joe Rogan?

  It was like a tiny blip in time and now all of a sudden you've got something in your phone that you can send a video message to someone on the other side of the planet and communicate with them instantaneously.

• 2:59:24Speaker 03

  And talk with no, no.

• 2:59:26Joe Rogan?

  No delay.

• 2:59:26Speaker 03

  No delay whatsoever.

• 2:59:27Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:59:28Speaker 03

  I'm talking to anyone I want.

• 2:59:29Joe Rogan?

  In New Zealand, you could be caught, you could have a fucking iPhone call with someone in New Zealand.

• 2:59:34Speaker 03

  I talked to my buddies still in Africa.

• 2:59:36Joe Rogan?

  It's nuts.

• 2:59:37Speaker 03

  I'd call them like every once a month, how you doing? Like, Jimmy, I'm doing good.

• 2:59:40Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 2:59:41Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:59:42Joe Rogan?

  And this has all happened inside of our lifetime.

• 2:59:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:59:45Joe Rogan?

  You remember when you used to have to pay money for long distance?

• 2:59:48Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:59:49Joe Rogan?

  It was expensive.

• 2:59:49Speaker 03

  It was super expensive. And if you were, if you were on, and there we said again, back with that John Dovin time, I used to have to walk because there were no, even the phones. I had to walk to the, I think it was like a McDonald's and they had a pay phone and even there I'd have to bring a wad of change.

• 3:00:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:00:08Speaker 03

  Cause like for another, for the next two minutes, 25 cents, you need another quarter.

• 3:00:14Joe Rogan?

  Or you had phone cards, you remember those?

• 3:00:16Speaker 03

  Yes, those came out, those came out later.

• 3:00:19Joe Rogan?

  They came out in the 90s, right?

• 3:00:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, after the change.

• 3:00:23Joe Rogan?

  What a weird time.

• 3:00:24Speaker 03

  Right?

• 3:00:24Joe Rogan?

  Or you could make collect calls.

• 3:00:26Speaker 03

  Would you accept a collect call from Jim Brewer from Australia?

• 3:00:29Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 3:00:30Speaker 03

  No.

• 3:00:31Joe Rogan?

  That would cost so much money.

• 3:00:32Speaker 03

  That's ridiculous.

• 3:00:33Joe Rogan?

  Now it costs nothing. Now it's a normal call.

• 3:00:35Speaker 03

  For a $10 pass, Verizon will pick this up for you.

• 3:00:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, those people were probably fucking us. And when the cell phone companies started giving you long distance for free, then everybody else had to give in too.

• 3:00:45Speaker 03

  Right.

• 3:00:46Joe Rogan?

  Because when we were kids, if you like, if you had a friend that lived in New Jersey and you lived in California, that shit was expensive.

• 3:00:51Speaker 03

  Super expensive.

• 3:00:52Joe Rogan?

  Everybody, you're on, you're on long distance.

• 3:00:54Speaker 03

  You get, get to the point.

• 3:00:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:00:56Speaker 03

  Everything good?

• 3:00:57Joe Rogan?

  Hey, we're on long distance.

• 3:00:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:00:59Joe Rogan?

  So then I told her, oh, no, I didn't say it. I think Shirley said it. And we were tired anyway, because I had, I had been up. So the dog woke me up. Well, shut the fuck up and get to the point.

• 3:01:11Speaker 03

  Sometimes you get in an argument, it's gonna be like a forty-five dollar argument.

• 3:01:15Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 3:01:15Speaker 03

  Cause you can't get on the phone with them.

• 3:01:17Joe Rogan?

  Long distance relationship with a lady. You have to call her.

• 3:01:21Speaker 03

  It's a lot. It's expensive back then.

• 3:01:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my god.

• 3:01:23Speaker 03

  That's expensive.

• 3:01:24Joe Rogan?

  It could be a hundred dollar call.

• 3:01:25Speaker 03

  Yeah. I had a couple of those, cause we were early, we were just married at an early age. I mean.

• 3:01:30Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:01:31Speaker 03

  I, I was, and we'd get in battles over the phone. I'd be more pissed going, I'm paying like six dollars every five minutes.

• 3:01:40Joe Rogan?

  It, well, it makes you wonder, like, what kind of things are we gonna look back on now in the future and go, you remember before I, AI came alive? You remember?

• 3:01:50Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 3:01:50Joe Rogan?

  Remember when you used to have jobs? Remember when everybody used to work?

• 3:01:54Speaker 03

  Which, which is that freak, like, doesn't.

• 3:01:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:01:57Speaker 03

  Right now, it doesn't.

• 3:01:58Joe Rogan?

  It freaks me out.

• 3:01:59Speaker 03

  Bother me, eh?

• 3:02:00Joe Rogan?

  It freaks me out. It freaks me out because I don't think we know what's coming.

• 3:02:03Speaker 03

  We don't know what's coming. And there's nothing you can do about it.

• 3:02:06Joe Rogan?

  My friend Eric Wanstein was doing this, uh, interview recently, where he was like, whatever you do, just assume it's over. You gotta be flexible. Assume, whatever you do, you have a white collar job, it's over. You're a lawyer, it's over. You're an accountant, it's over.

• 3:02:20Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 3:02:20Joe Rogan?

  It's over.

• 3:02:21Speaker 03

  That makes sense.

• 3:02:22Joe Rogan?

  It's coming and no one has the answer and no one knows what's gonna happen. I think that's accurate.

• 3:02:26Speaker 03

  It's like a tidal wave. And unless you're able to grab a tree, climb up, whatever, you just gotta, that wave's gonna come.

• 3:02:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:02:35Speaker 03

  It's gonna do whatever it's gonna do. And then when it starts reciting, you just gotta hope you're still there and you're able to find ants and.

• 3:02:42Joe Rogan?

  I think it's gonna be a technological disaster in a lot of ways.

• 3:02:46Speaker 03

  Interesting.

• 3:02:47Joe Rogan?

  In that, it's gonna cause so much change, just like the great flood caused so much change.

• 3:02:51Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 3:02:52Joe Rogan?

  I think this is gonna cause so much change, it's gonna be a lot of chaos. You know what else is gonna be chaos? If I don't pee real quick.

• 3:02:58Speaker 03

  I gotta pee really bad.

• 3:02:59Joe Rogan?

  Let's rock this bitch down.

• 3:03:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, I gotta pee bad.

• 3:03:01Joe Rogan?

  I love you to death, brother.

• 3:03:02Speaker 03

  Love you too, bro.

• 3:03:02Joe Rogan?

  Always great to see you.

• 3:03:03Speaker 03

  Thanks for having me.

• 3:03:04Joe Rogan?

  Goddamn, we've been friends for a long time.

• 3:03:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, thanks for having me. You're, you, you're, you're, uh, you're a busy man.

• 3:03:10Joe Rogan?

  Brother, I love you to death.

• 3:03:10Speaker 03

  I appreciate it. Thank you.

• 3:03:11Joe Rogan?

  We've been friends for like thirty-four years.

• 3:03:13Speaker 03

  That's madness.

• 3:03:14Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that crazy?

• 3:03:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's madness.

• 3:03:16Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 3:03:17Speaker 03

  That's pretty awesome.

• 3:03:18Joe Rogan?

  Wild. Uh, Jim Brewer dot com.

• 3:03:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, on tour now, blah, blah, blah.

• 3:03:22Joe Rogan?

  On tour now, hilarious. Go see him. Fucking genius stand-up comedy.

• 3:03:25Speaker 03

  Thank you, brother. Love you too.

• 3:03:27Joe Rogan?

  Thank you. Alright, bye, everybody.

• 3:03:42Joe Rogan?

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